[12:36] <pips1> During upgrade, I'm asked if I want to replace conf file /etc/login.defs ... I don't remember ever touching that file, so I suppose I should choose to have it replaced, right?
[01:05] <pips1> Hmm, now I'm asked about the /etc/exports file
[01:05] <pips1> :-/
[01:08] <pips1> now debconf is stuck
[01:09] <pips1> ... in configuring nfs-kernel-server
[02:13] <slonbg> hi. i have 6.06 edubuntu. can i upgrade to 6.10 with update-manager -c, as per ubuntu docs, or I have to do something else. i tried with update-manager, but it tried remove a lot of packages, one of which was edubuntu-server, so i canceled it
[02:16] <LaserJock> slonbg: are you using an LTSP setup?
[02:16] <slonbg> i used the livecd install
[02:16] <slonbg> when i installed edubuntu-desktop
[02:17] <LaserJock> I think update-manager -c should work
[02:17] <slonbg> ah, and update-manager wants to remove schooltools package as well.
[02:17] <LaserJock> if you have the LTSP server installed there are a couple extra steps
[02:18] <slonbg> LaserJock: how do I check, it was months ago
[02:18] <LaserJock> that's interesting, I've done it twice without any problems
[02:18] <LaserJock> dpkg -l | grep ltsp
[02:19] <slonbg> LaserJock: I do not think this is a problem, but as far as I see what it tries to do, it was suspissios: remove edubuntu-server and schooltools, and a bunch of python packages, and then installs ubuntu-desktop. Thats why I stopped, as I do not want to mess my kid's machine
[02:20] <slonbg> hmmm, ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone are installed
[02:20] <slonbg> strange why i did it :)
[02:20] <LaserJock> hmm, what does dpkg -l | grep "-desktop "
[02:20] <LaserJock> give
[02:21] <LaserJock> slonbg: if you aren't using LTSP I don't think it's a problem
[02:21] <slonbg> i'm sure i did go with the livecd install for 6.06 w/o touching the defaults
[02:22] <slonbg> edubuntu-desktop is installed, no ubuntu-desktop
[02:22] <LaserJock> that's weird
[02:23] <LaserJock> it acts like it wants to turn it into an Ubuntu install rather then upgrade Edubuntu
[02:24] <slonbg> and edubuntu-server is installed
[02:24] <slonbg> but the update-manager wants to remove only edubuntu-server, not -desktop
[02:29] <pips1> I just finished my server dist-upgrade test, and although I had some minor issues, it seems to have worked
[02:30] <slonbg> ok, maybe i'll give it a shot, and then remove ubuntu-desktop and install edubuntu desktop. thanks
[02:31] <pips1> cu folks, I'm off to bed
[02:34] <slonbg> cu, and thanks again
[10:47] <highvoltage> http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?from=rss_News&set_id=1&click_id=&art_id=iol1161945879455G642
[10:55] <juliux> hi highvoltage 
[10:57] <highvoltage> hi juliux 
[12:24] <Yagisan> anyone here know a little bit about SDL ?
[12:26] <Yagisan> I've a question about SDL_CreateThread if anyone is clued up.
[12:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> i doubt here is the right place to ask tbh
[12:27] <Yagisan> I know, but I know a fair few people here, and its indirectly related to my ubuntu work, so I thought I'd give it a shot
[02:58] <cliebow__> lo all: anyone else have a stall in dist-upgrade at xcore?
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you get a specific error?
[03:04] <cliebow__> had to make a simlink after moving /ur/X11R6/bin
[03:04] <cliebow__> and use -f 
[03:59] <ukubuntu> Just for a site admin to note, on the FAQ page it says "The first Enterprise release is Edubuntu 6.06, due for launch in June."
[04:00] <ukubuntu> Site last editted admin  Mon, 2006  03  13 16:54
[04:01] <ukubuntu> in fact, perhaps the whole page could be revamped
[04:01] <ukubuntu> http://www.edubuntu.org/FAQ
[04:02] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> gday :) bddebian , ukubuntu 
[04:02] <ukubuntu> Hi Kaiser
[04:03] <bddebian> Heya Kamping_Kaiser
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> ukubuntu, is it part of the wiki? or a seperate page?
[04:04] <ukubuntu>  it is the FAQ page linked to from the main home page http://www.edubuntu.org/FAQ
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> its nota wiki page :|
[04:04] <ukubuntu> I guess it is seperate
[04:07] <ukubuntu> Does Canonical make those pages?
[04:08] <ukubuntu> me too 
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra might know, but hes not aorund it seems.
[04:08] <ukubuntu> OK, no worries, it could be brought up on Wednesday :)
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all
[06:13] <desi> How do I fix this Please help http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28890/
[06:21] <highvoltage> desi: do you have wxwindows installed?
[06:21] <highvoltage> desi: this might be a question better answered on #ubuntu
[06:21] <desi> I am trying
[06:22] <desi> I am running this on linux do I need wxwindows?
[06:30] <highvoltage> yes, I believe so
[06:30] <highvoltage> I'm not too familiar with the wxwindows packaging
[06:31] <highvoltage> you might have some success by installing the wxtools package
[06:38] <LaserJock> highvoltage: what is he doing?
[06:38] <LaserJock> sorry didn't see the paste
[06:39] <LaserJock> desi: installing python-wxgtk2.6 should work
[06:40] <desi> let me try
[06:40] <desi> thanks
[06:40] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: LaserJock++
[06:40] <LaserJock> heh
[06:41] <desi> LaserJock: that is already installed :(
[06:41] <LaserJock> desi: ok, gimme a sec
[06:48] <LaserJock> desi: what version of Edubuntu? 6.06?
[06:48] <desi> ya
[06:51] <LaserJock> I can do: from wxPython import wx on my edgy machine no problem
[06:52] <LaserJock> oh wait
[06:52] <LaserJock> desi: what are you working on specifically?
[06:53] <LaserJock> how did you install gnumed?
[06:57] <LaserJock> desi: I think the problem is that gnumed is looking for python 2.3
[06:58] <LaserJock> desi: whereas wxpython is built for python 2.4 on 6.06
[06:59] <desi> I see
[07:00] <desi> so It won't work
[07:10] <LaserJock> desi: yeah, it would work in Edgy but not dapper
[07:11] <desi> I can upgrade to edgy thats not a problem
[07:11] <desi> but are u sure
[07:11] <LaserJock> pretty sure
[07:11] <desi> ok
[07:11] <desi> will try soon and let you know
[07:11] <LaserJock> but hang on a sec
[07:11] <desi> ok
[07:12] <LaserJock> nope
[07:12] <LaserJock> I was looking to see if we had a python2.3 version of wxpython in dapper
[07:12] <LaserJock> but it's strictly python 2.4 so you would have to rebuild wxpython (which you don't want to do)
[09:37] <PurpleBlue> Hello, I was wondering if you can get Wine to run on 64 bit Edubuntu?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> PurpleBlue: wine might run, but iffy
[09:42] <Burgundavia> what do you need it for?
[09:44] <PurpleBlue> Umm, I am trying to make the complete switch from Windows to Linux.  I have Eduntu AMD 64 bit OS installed.  But There are a few applications that I would like to still use.  For example.   XBC,  www.xbconnect.com    Pretty much allows you to play your xbox online for free.
[09:45] <Burgundavia> 64 bit is fun even you don't consider wine
[09:45] <Burgundavia> you need 32 bit wine to run on your 64 bit linux, to run the 32 bit program
[09:45] <Burgundavia> which means you 32 bit libraries
[09:45] <Burgundavia> which is ahrd
[09:46] <stgraber> You will have a lot of problem if you use a 64bit Ubuntu (like flash and others proprietary softwares)
[09:46] <PurpleBlue> I read this.  http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit   But console stuff lil confusin.
[09:46] <stgraber> my opinion is that 64 bits is useful for servers, not really for desktop (or not yet)
[09:47] <PurpleBlue> So I wasted money on hardware that software does not take advantage of?
[09:47] <PurpleBlue> I noticed first day, no flash :(
[09:50] <PurpleBlue> Anyone you guys run Wine?
[09:51] <stgraber> 64 bits doesn't do any difference in a lot of case, only some specifical application are faster
[09:52] <stgraber> if you compare a 32 bits Ubuntu and a 64 bits Ubuntu on the same hardware and if you don't do some scientifical calculations (type of application that use the 64 bits), you will not see any difference
[09:52] <PurpleBlue> I read this fromt the WIKI, and when I select Y to confrim YES.  IT aborts.     sudo apt-get install gcc flex bison libc6-i386 libc6-dev-i386
[09:53] <PurpleBlue> After unpacking 21.5MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y Abort.
[09:53] <stgraber> and if you simply press the enter key ?
[09:53] <stgraber> (it shouldn't be case sensitive, but it's possible)
[09:53] <PurpleBlue> same result   "abort"  enter , Y, or y 
[09:54] <PurpleBlue> Is FC6 a better OS?
[09:56] <PurpleBlue> "In order to run Wine on a distributions like Fedora you can 'just' install Wine and then it should work. Debian is more problematic as the wine configure script can't properly detect the 32-bit libraries."
[09:57] <stgraber> not from my pow, I hate RPM :)
[09:58] <stgraber> Yes, fedora has a compatibility layer for 64 bits, in fact it has the core library (libc6) in both 32 and 64 bits version
[09:58] <stgraber> and then launch your softwares in 32 bits mod on a 64 bits system (so your 64 bits hardware is not more used than with a 32 bits distro)
[09:59] <stgraber> It's also possible to do that with Ubuntu and Debian (I did that on a 64 bits dedicated server)
[09:59] <stgraber> for your apt-get install problem, do you have a localized system ?
[09:59] <stgraber> maybe the sentence isn't localized but the answer yes
[09:59] <PurpleBlue> So when you use FC6, even with its layer or 64bit, there is no performance benefit? 
[10:00] <stgraber> or maybe try this : sudo aptitude install gcc flex bison libc6-i386 libc6-dev-i386
[10:00] <Burgundavia> PurpleBlue: 64bit over 32 is almost nothing
[10:00] <Burgundavia> unless you are doing serious number crunching or have a big server
[10:01] <PurpleBlue> For real.  Dang.  I was even thinking about getting the new AM2 6000+ x2 chip about to roll out here in a few days
[10:01] <PurpleBlue> :'(
[10:03] <Burgundavia> if you really want to play with fun stuff, get an intel core due
[10:03] <Burgundavia> duo, rather
[10:03] <PurpleBlue> to loyal to AMD
[10:04] <PurpleBlue> So what is the best Linux distro?
[10:05] <Burgundavia> bizarre place to ask that
[10:05] <Burgundavia> intel is a far better friend of Linux than AMD
[10:06] <PurpleBlue> I just want to most compatible, best performane OS, best EYE candy, most application package.    Easy to install.
[10:06] <PurpleBlue> Intell chips were all junk until there core 2 duo chips
[10:06] <Burgundavia> intel has the only modern graphic cards fully supported with open source drivers
[10:07] <PurpleBlue> AMD is no open source?
[10:08] <Burgundavia> amd doesn't make video cards, at least not until it completely swallows ATI
[10:08] <PurpleBlue> isnt intell = M$ ?
[10:09] <Burgundavia> no
[10:09] <bent> Well, intel is either the company, or inside information. Dictonary definition, though. 
[10:10] <Burgundavia> bent: we are talking about the companyh
[10:11] <bent> M'kay. Joining in the middle of something is not fun.
[10:11] <PurpleBlue> Now what flav or Unbunt you guys use?  Kubuntu?   Edubuntu?  Ubuntu?
[10:11] <bent> I use ubuntu, with the packages for edubuntu... for personal education.
[10:12] <PurpleBlue> is Edubuntu gnome desktop?
[10:12] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:12] <PurpleBlue> So the difference between Ubuntu and Edubuntu is that Edubuntu so has educational applications pre loaded?
[10:13] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:13] <bent> And, the thin client server... which I forget the name for... in the server one.
[10:13] <PurpleBlue> gnome > KDE?  
[10:13] <bent> Depends on your view.
[10:13] <PurpleBlue> What about Eye Candy?
[10:14] <bent> Eye candy: Well, without 3D things, Gnome.
[10:14] <bent> 3d? Both will do.
[10:14] <PurpleBlue> Can you do awesome 3D stuff?
[10:15] <bent> Can I? Er... sometimes. 
[10:15] <bent> Depends on the computer. And the kind of video card.
[10:15] <bent> But, for the closest comparision I can find, visual wise is:
[10:15] <bent> http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/3.5/03-kicker.png --KDE.
[10:16] <bent> And... er... finding a gnome one.
[10:19] <bent> Well, there is no great GNOME one... so, I'll go whip one up.
[10:23] <bent> Note: This is my desktop, and... er... it's messy.
[10:24] <bent> http://static.flickr.com/103/281591940_f67f1e2cab_o.png
[10:25] <bent> PurpleBlue, they are somewhat similar, but also different. GNOME is about simplicity, and KDE is about tweaking.
[10:30] <bent> Also, see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kdegnome
[10:58] <sbalneav> Afternoon all!
[11:00] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: seen ogra?
[11:00] <edubuntugirl> ogra was last seen on #edubuntu 1 day, 4 hours, 57 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: we'll need something like a config file or even an lts.conf parameter that defines which apps are local apps and which are run on the server [Fri Oct 27 18:02:05 2006] 
[11:00] <sbalneav> heh, my last conversation with him.
[11:03] <LaserJock> that's funny
[11:26] <Burgundavia> anybody thinking about replacing ldm with gdm in feisty?
[11:27] <LaserJock> I think it's been tossed around before
[11:28] <Burgundavia> is there a doc that lays out the needed gdm bits?
[11:28] <LaserJock> not that I know of, but ogra knows
[11:29] <Burgundavia> ogra: ping
[11:29] <LaserJock> I think I remember some conversation about it in Paris
[11:29] <LaserJock> there was a reason to keep ldm but that it might change in the futur
[11:30] <LaserJock> sbalneav: do you remember?
[11:30] <Burgundavia> the only issue I can remember is that of ssh
[11:30] <LaserJock> yeah, I do think that was the one
[11:33] <Burgundavia> thing is, it is crack to maintain an entire login manager, just for one thing
[11:36] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: well, if you need that feature it is, plus the lightness
[11:37] <Burgundavia> but in the long term, it is a problem
[11:37] <LaserJock> sure
[11:37] <LaserJock> I don't think anybody disputes that I don't think
[11:48] <Burgundavia> does not dispute != doing something about it
[11:53] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: well, somebody would need to hack gdm
[11:55] <Burgundavia> ye[
[11:55] <Burgundavia> yep
[12:09] <Burgundavia> hey highvoltage