=== lguerra [n=lguerra@201.245.166.237] has left #edubuntu [] === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@unaffiliated/lotusleaf] has left #edubuntu ["part"] [12:36] During upgrade, I'm asked if I want to replace conf file /etc/login.defs ... I don't remember ever touching that file, so I suppose I should choose to have it replaced, right? === jono [n=jono@88-107-3-169.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === PeBe [n=sysadmin@hedmark-static12.bluecom.no] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 chooses replace [01:05] Hmm, now I'm asked about the /etc/exports file === pips1 tried compare the two versions === pips1 finds that the debconf window freezes [01:05] :-/ [01:08] now debconf is stuck [01:09] ... in configuring nfs-kernel-server === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === whiprush_ [n=jorge@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:2fad] has joined #edubuntu === whiprush [n=jorge@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:2fad] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus_ [n=rodarvus@200.146.22.236.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === slonbg [n=chatzill@c-24-118-179-45.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:13] hi. i have 6.06 edubuntu. can i upgrade to 6.10 with update-manager -c, as per ubuntu docs, or I have to do something else. i tried with update-manager, but it tried remove a lot of packages, one of which was edubuntu-server, so i canceled it [02:16] slonbg: are you using an LTSP setup? [02:16] i used the livecd install [02:16] when i installed edubuntu-desktop [02:17] I think update-manager -c should work [02:17] ah, and update-manager wants to remove schooltools package as well. [02:17] if you have the LTSP server installed there are a couple extra steps [02:18] LaserJock: how do I check, it was months ago [02:18] that's interesting, I've done it twice without any problems [02:18] dpkg -l | grep ltsp [02:19] LaserJock: I do not think this is a problem, but as far as I see what it tries to do, it was suspissios: remove edubuntu-server and schooltools, and a bunch of python packages, and then installs ubuntu-desktop. Thats why I stopped, as I do not want to mess my kid's machine [02:20] hmmm, ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone are installed [02:20] strange why i did it :) [02:20] hmm, what does dpkg -l | grep "-desktop " [02:20] give [02:21] slonbg: if you aren't using LTSP I don't think it's a problem [02:21] i'm sure i did go with the livecd install for 6.06 w/o touching the defaults [02:22] edubuntu-desktop is installed, no ubuntu-desktop [02:22] that's weird [02:23] it acts like it wants to turn it into an Ubuntu install rather then upgrade Edubuntu [02:24] and edubuntu-server is installed [02:24] but the update-manager wants to remove only edubuntu-server, not -desktop === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@beer.frth.com] has joined #edubuntu [02:29] I just finished my server dist-upgrade test, and although I had some minor issues, it seems to have worked [02:30] ok, maybe i'll give it a shot, and then remove ubuntu-desktop and install edubuntu desktop. thanks [02:31] cu folks, I'm off to bed [02:34] cu, and thanks again === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@beer.frth.com] has joined #edubuntu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@beer.frth.com] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=Jack@221.216.191.51] has joined #edubuntu === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.51] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego [n=cafuego@ppp191-160.lns2.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === cliebow [n=cliebow@169.244.180.182] has joined #edubuntu === BonBonTheJon [n=jon@cpe-69-133-37-32.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === cliebow [n=cliebow@smoothwallkludge.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us] has joined #edubuntu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #edubuntu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #edubuntu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.51] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-165-212-23.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === edubuntugirl [n=edubuntu@ubuntu/bot/edubuntugirl] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === freet15_ [n=freet15@221.216.191.51] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=Jack@221.216.191.51] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.86.253] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@unaffiliated/lotusleaf] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=Jack@221.216.191.51] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jonathan@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [10:47] http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?from=rss_News&set_id=1&click_id=&art_id=iol1161945879455G642 [10:55] hi highvoltage [10:57] hi juliux === freet15_ [n=freet15@221.216.191.51] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=Jack@221.216.191.51] has joined #edubuntu === ukubuntu [n=adrian@84-12-177-132.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEEAF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego [n=cafuego@ppp191-160.lns2.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:24] anyone here know a little bit about SDL ? [12:26] I've a question about SDL_CreateThread if anyone is clued up. [12:26] i doubt here is the right place to ask tbh [12:27] I know, but I know a fair few people here, and its indirectly related to my ubuntu work, so I thought I'd give it a shot === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-126-101.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-126-101.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === JonathanFerguson [n=Jonathan@186.108.240.220.dynamic.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-126-101.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu === cliebow__ [n=cliebow@pool-64-222-248-143.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:58] lo all: anyone else have a stall in dist-upgrade at xcore? [03:00] do you get a specific error? [03:04] had to make a simlink after moving /ur/X11R6/bin [03:04] and use -f === jono [n=jono@88-107-3-169.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 [n=philipp@212.155.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@127.Red-83-50-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:59] Just for a site admin to note, on the FAQ page it says "The first Enterprise release is Edubuntu 6.06, due for launch in June." [04:00] Site last editted admin Mon, 2006 03 13 16:54 === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:01] in fact, perhaps the whole page could be revamped [04:01] http://www.edubuntu.org/FAQ [04:02] Howdy [04:02] gday :) bddebian , ukubuntu [04:02] Hi Kaiser [04:03] Heya Kamping_Kaiser [04:03] :) [04:03] ukubuntu, is it part of the wiki? or a seperate page? [04:04] it is the FAQ page linked to from the main home page http://www.edubuntu.org/FAQ [04:04] its nota wiki page :| [04:04] I guess it is seperate [04:07] Does Canonical make those pages? === Kamping_Kaiser shrug [04:08] me too [04:08] ogra might know, but hes not aorund it seems. [04:08] OK, no worries, it could be brought up on Wednesday :) [04:08] :) === BonBonTheJon [n=jon@cpe-69-133-37-32.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [04:44] night all === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === desi [n=shiv@c-65-96-200-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:13] How do I fix this Please help http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28890/ === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu [06:21] desi: do you have wxwindows installed? [06:21] desi: this might be a question better answered on #ubuntu [06:21] I am trying [06:22] I am running this on linux do I need wxwindows? [06:30] yes, I believe so [06:30] I'm not too familiar with the wxwindows packaging [06:31] you might have some success by installing the wxtools package [06:38] highvoltage: what is he doing? [06:38] sorry didn't see the paste [06:39] desi: installing python-wxgtk2.6 should work [06:40] let me try [06:40] thanks [06:40] edubuntugirl: LaserJock++ [06:40] heh [06:41] LaserJock: that is already installed :( [06:41] desi: ok, gimme a sec === stgraber [i=stgraber@unaffiliated/stgraber] has joined #edubuntu [06:48] desi: what version of Edubuntu? 6.06? [06:48] ya [06:51] I can do: from wxPython import wx on my edgy machine no problem [06:52] oh wait [06:52] desi: what are you working on specifically? [06:53] how did you install gnumed? [06:57] desi: I think the problem is that gnumed is looking for python 2.3 [06:58] desi: whereas wxpython is built for python 2.4 on 6.06 [06:59] I see [07:00] so It won't work [07:10] desi: yeah, it would work in Edgy but not dapper [07:11] I can upgrade to edgy thats not a problem [07:11] but are u sure [07:11] pretty sure [07:11] ok [07:11] will try soon and let you know [07:11] but hang on a sec [07:11] ok [07:12] nope [07:12] I was looking to see if we had a python2.3 version of wxpython in dapper [07:12] but it's strictly python 2.4 so you would have to rebuild wxpython (which you don't want to do) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.86.253] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === Yagisan_ [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-77-156.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === PurpleBlue [n=m@c-67-173-55-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:37] Hello, I was wondering if you can get Wine to run on 64 bit Edubuntu? [09:42] PurpleBlue: wine might run, but iffy [09:42] what do you need it for? [09:44] Umm, I am trying to make the complete switch from Windows to Linux. I have Eduntu AMD 64 bit OS installed. But There are a few applications that I would like to still use. For example. XBC, www.xbconnect.com Pretty much allows you to play your xbox online for free. [09:45] 64 bit is fun even you don't consider wine [09:45] you need 32 bit wine to run on your 64 bit linux, to run the 32 bit program [09:45] which means you 32 bit libraries [09:45] which is ahrd [09:46] You will have a lot of problem if you use a 64bit Ubuntu (like flash and others proprietary softwares) [09:46] I read this. http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit But console stuff lil confusin. [09:46] my opinion is that 64 bits is useful for servers, not really for desktop (or not yet) [09:47] So I wasted money on hardware that software does not take advantage of? [09:47] I noticed first day, no flash :( [09:50] Anyone you guys run Wine? [09:51] 64 bits doesn't do any difference in a lot of case, only some specifical application are faster [09:52] if you compare a 32 bits Ubuntu and a 64 bits Ubuntu on the same hardware and if you don't do some scientifical calculations (type of application that use the 64 bits), you will not see any difference [09:52] I read this fromt the WIKI, and when I select Y to confrim YES. IT aborts. sudo apt-get install gcc flex bison libc6-i386 libc6-dev-i386 [09:53] After unpacking 21.5MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y Abort. [09:53] and if you simply press the enter key ? [09:53] (it shouldn't be case sensitive, but it's possible) [09:53] same result "abort" enter , Y, or y [09:54] Is FC6 a better OS? [09:56] "In order to run Wine on a distributions like Fedora you can 'just' install Wine and then it should work. Debian is more problematic as the wine configure script can't properly detect the 32-bit libraries." [09:57] not from my pow, I hate RPM :) [09:58] Yes, fedora has a compatibility layer for 64 bits, in fact it has the core library (libc6) in both 32 and 64 bits version [09:58] and then launch your softwares in 32 bits mod on a 64 bits system (so your 64 bits hardware is not more used than with a 32 bits distro) [09:59] It's also possible to do that with Ubuntu and Debian (I did that on a 64 bits dedicated server) [09:59] for your apt-get install problem, do you have a localized system ? [09:59] maybe the sentence isn't localized but the answer yes [09:59] So when you use FC6, even with its layer or 64bit, there is no performance benefit? [10:00] or maybe try this : sudo aptitude install gcc flex bison libc6-i386 libc6-dev-i386 [10:00] PurpleBlue: 64bit over 32 is almost nothing [10:00] unless you are doing serious number crunching or have a big server [10:01] For real. Dang. I was even thinking about getting the new AM2 6000+ x2 chip about to roll out here in a few days [10:01] :'( [10:03] if you really want to play with fun stuff, get an intel core due [10:03] duo, rather [10:03] to loyal to AMD [10:04] So what is the best Linux distro? [10:05] bizarre place to ask that [10:05] intel is a far better friend of Linux than AMD [10:06] I just want to most compatible, best performane OS, best EYE candy, most application package. Easy to install. [10:06] Intell chips were all junk until there core 2 duo chips [10:06] intel has the only modern graphic cards fully supported with open source drivers [10:07] AMD is no open source? [10:08] amd doesn't make video cards, at least not until it completely swallows ATI === bent [n=bent@pool-72-94-24-187.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:08] isnt intell = M$ ? [10:09] no [10:09] Well, intel is either the company, or inside information. Dictonary definition, though. [10:10] bent: we are talking about the companyh [10:11] M'kay. Joining in the middle of something is not fun. [10:11] Now what flav or Unbunt you guys use? Kubuntu? Edubuntu? Ubuntu? [10:11] I use ubuntu, with the packages for edubuntu... for personal education. [10:12] is Edubuntu gnome desktop? [10:12] yes [10:12] So the difference between Ubuntu and Edubuntu is that Edubuntu so has educational applications pre loaded? [10:13] yes [10:13] And, the thin client server... which I forget the name for... in the server one. [10:13] gnome > KDE? [10:13] Depends on your view. [10:13] What about Eye Candy? [10:14] Eye candy: Well, without 3D things, Gnome. [10:14] 3d? Both will do. [10:14] Can you do awesome 3D stuff? [10:15] Can I? Er... sometimes. [10:15] Depends on the computer. And the kind of video card. [10:15] But, for the closest comparision I can find, visual wise is: [10:15] http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/3.5/03-kicker.png --KDE. [10:16] And... er... finding a gnome one. [10:19] Well, there is no great GNOME one... so, I'll go whip one up. [10:23] Note: This is my desktop, and... er... it's messy. [10:24] http://static.flickr.com/103/281591940_f67f1e2cab_o.png [10:25] PurpleBlue, they are somewhat similar, but also different. GNOME is about simplicity, and KDE is about tweaking. [10:30] Also, see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kdegnome === jon_ [n=jon@cpe-69-133-37-32.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === jon_ is now known as BonBonTheJon === BonBonTheJon [n=jon@cpe-69-133-37-32.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === BonBonTheJon [n=jon@cpe-69-133-37-32.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:58] Afternoon all! [11:00] edubuntugirl: seen ogra? [11:00] ogra was last seen on #edubuntu 1 day, 4 hours, 57 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: we'll need something like a config file or even an lts.conf parameter that defines which apps are local apps and which are run on the server [Fri Oct 27 18:02:05 2006] [11:00] heh, my last conversation with him. === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [11:03] that's funny === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [11:26] anybody thinking about replacing ldm with gdm in feisty? [11:27] I think it's been tossed around before [11:28] is there a doc that lays out the needed gdm bits? [11:28] not that I know of, but ogra knows [11:29] ogra: ping [11:29] I think I remember some conversation about it in Paris [11:29] there was a reason to keep ldm but that it might change in the futur [11:30] sbalneav: do you remember? [11:30] the only issue I can remember is that of ssh [11:30] yeah, I do think that was the one [11:33] thing is, it is crack to maintain an entire login manager, just for one thing === highvoltage [n=jonathan@196.1.61.13] has joined #edubuntu [11:36] Burgundavia: well, if you need that feature it is, plus the lightness [11:37] but in the long term, it is a problem [11:37] sure [11:37] I don't think anybody disputes that I don't think [11:48] does not dispute != doing something about it === ukubuntu_ [n=adrian@84-12-177-94.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [11:53] Burgundavia: well, somebody would need to hack gdm [11:55] ye[ [11:55] yep === highvoltage [n=jonathan@196.1.61.14] has joined #edubuntu [12:09] hey highvoltage