[12:15] <nixternal> deb would be nice, but i can compile if needed
[12:16] <Mez> nixternal, I'm lazy - http://tiber.tauware.de/~mez/amarokfix.tgz
[12:16] <nixternal> hehe
[12:17] <nixternal> ./configure - make - make install shall do it, nothing tricky needed?
[12:18] <Mez> ./configure && make && sudo make install
[12:18] <Mez> you might need to do a 
[12:19] <Mez> make -f admin/Makefile.common dist
[12:19] <Mez> before hand
[12:20] <nixternal> once this installs, a restart of katapult should be sufficient?
[12:21] <Mez> yeah, killall -9 katapult && katapult
[12:21] <Mez> then try and play a song in amarok with it
[12:22] <nixternal> amarokcatalog.cpp errors during make
[12:23] <Mez> hmm ... grr?
[12:23] <Mez> what errors?
[12:23] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28736/
[12:24] <Mez> lemme fix those up
[12:25] <nixternal> hehe
[12:26] <Mez> I dhouldf do that first
[12:26] <nixternal> hahaha
[12:26] <nixternal> i was the guinea pig ey
[12:27] <Mez> ;)
[12:27] <Mez> building takes too long
[03:29] <Hobbsee> morning everyone
[03:34] <claydoh> good morning Hobbsee and everyone
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hey claydoh :)
[03:49] <Mez> morning Hobbsee
[03:50] <Jucato> Hobbsee: moin :)
[03:57] <Hobbsee> hey Mez, Jucato :)
 katapult commit: mez * r61 0.3.x-dev/katapult/plugins/catalogs/amarokcatalog/amarokcatalog.cpp: Now to merge in amarokcatalog again....
[04:19] <Mez> w00t
[04:20] <Jucato> that reminds me, the amarok bug I filed (which affects the Amarok mp3 script) has been patched (is that the term?) Yay!
[04:20] <Mez> Jucato, ack for the term
[04:20] <Jucato> hehe :)
[04:21] <Jucato> kde bug 136294
[04:21] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 136294 in general "Amarok dialog doesn't honor "No" and still runs script" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136294
[04:34] <Mez> Hobbsee, fancy trying some stuff out ?
[04:34] <Mez> or anyone for that matter ?
[04:43] <claydoh> im game
[04:57] <Hobbsee> Mez: if it's katapult stuff, i'm game to try it out in a few hours
[04:57] <Hobbsee> we're dealing with multiple machines here at the moment :P
[04:57] <Mez> ;)
[04:57] <Mez> kinky
[04:57] <Hobbsee> feel free to /query me with the details
[04:57] <Jucato> lol :)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> er, not kinky.
[05:03] <Mez> Hobbsee, you want me to /query you with kinky stuff ?
[05:03] <Mez> cool ;)
[05:11] <Jucato> Mez: btw, I think #kubuntu-testers are our guinea pigs for testing stuff
[05:11] <Mez> I didnt know that existed ;)
[05:11] <Jucato> it was in the -devel mailing list. the new Kubuntu Testers team :)
[05:13] <nixternal> #kubuntu-anonymous
[05:13] <nixternal> it is for people struggling with addiction
[05:13] <Jucato> kubuntu addiction? :P
[05:13] <nixternal> yes
[05:13] <Jucato> lol
[05:13] <nixternal> hi, my name is Richard Johnson, and I am an addict
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:22] <Mez> and, again, I've f00ked the darn debian dir
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hah
 katapult commit: mez * r13 debian/ (17 files in 2 dirs): Update to katapult-0.3.1.3-0ubuntu5
 katapult commit: mez * r14 debian/ (changelog patches/kubuntu_06_amarok_14.diff): Updated to 0.3.1.3-0ubuntu6 - fixes kubuntu_06_amarok_14 patch
 katapult commit: mez * r15 debian/ (14 files in 2 dirs): And now a commit without screwing everything up
[06:02] <Mez> anyone feel like teting the katapult deb?
[06:05] <nixternal> any known issues with k3b?
[06:05] <nixternal> im getting TAO errors up the wazoo
[06:08] <Mez> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bugs
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Hi nixternal
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee
[06:43] <Mez> Hobbsee, you flooder you
[06:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you're dancing again :)
[06:44] <nixternal> hiya DaSkreech!
[06:44] <nixternal> k3b is broke ;(
[06:45] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech, Mez, Jucato 
[06:45] <Hobbsee> am i flooding?
[06:45] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  so i am.  i wonder why
[06:45] <nixternal> joining to many channels iwth konversation?
[06:45] <DaSkreech> You auto join too many chans?
[06:45] <Hobbsee> worked yesterdya here
[06:45] <Hobbsee> dunno
[06:45] <DaSkreech> nixternal: They patched that last week in konversaion :)
[06:45] <nixternal> i know we did ;)
[06:45] <DaSkreech> damn you beat me to it :(
[06:46] <nixternal> i have the fixed .deb here
[06:46] <claydoh> gimme gimme 
[06:46] <nixternal> lemme upload it
[06:46] <claydoh> tonight that is :)
[06:49] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/konversation_1.0.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[06:49] <DaSkreech> Nice URL
[06:49] <Jucato> heheh
[06:50] <nixternal> hehe
[06:50] <Jucato> hm... is that the Chicago LoCo logo?
[06:51] <nixternal> where?
[06:51] <nixternal> the chicago cubs looking thing?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> edgy was released on Windows XP's 5th birthday?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> the 5th Ubuntu
[06:51] <nixternal> lol ya
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[06:51] <poningru> wtf
[06:51] <poningru> did not know that
[06:51] <Jucato> the Ubuntu logo with the blue color and red stars?
[06:51] <nixternal> oh...no that isn't our logo, someone emailed me that tonight
[06:51] <Jucato> aah :)
[06:52] <nixternal> although it wouldn't be that bad of an idea, as our city flag is those stars
[06:52] <Jucato> except that there's a trademark...
[06:52] <nixternal> we are an Official LoCo, we can do that
[06:52] <Jucato> we ran into a trademark issue when making our own LoCo logo (ubuntu-ph)
[06:52] <Jucato> so are we :P
[06:52] <DaSkreech> That almost seems fishy
[06:53] <nixternal> ya, there is no trademark issues, as long as it doesn't degrade the logo
[06:53] <nixternal> the recommended logo for LoCos is the Ubuntu logo with the country, state, or city flag 
[06:53] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-chicago
[06:54] <Jucato> ok now I'm confused... but anyway... 
[06:55] <nixternal> [17828106.732000]  hdc: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[06:55] <nixternal> [17828106.732000]  hdc: packet command error: error=0x54 { AbortedCommand LastFailedSense=0x05 }
[06:55] <nixternal> [17828106.732000]  ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[06:55] <nixternal> k3b isn't the issue...it seems some has booged my cd-rw
[06:55] <Mez> nixternal, become a HDDJ ;) spin em backwards ;)
[06:55] <nixternal> i love those error codes
[06:56] <nixternal> hehe
[06:57] <nixternal> oh well..i need to goto bed...ubuntu chicago meeting and our edgy release party all day tomorrow
[06:57] <Jucato> yay for parties!!!
[06:57] <Jucato> night nixternal! :)
[06:57] <nixternal> woohoo!!!  i will catch you all live from "Ubuntu Chicago Live 2006 - Painting the City Blue!
[06:57] <nixternal> g'nite
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Night
[07:16] <imbrandon> noooooooooooooooooooo koffice bombed 3/4 the way in
[07:16] <imbrandon> grr
[07:17] <Jucato> O_O
[09:55] <mhb_> moin
[10:25] <DaSkreech> Jucato: What's that about?
[10:25] <Jucato> testing something
[10:25] <Jucato> trying to confirm a bug or something...
[10:25] <DaSkreech> My knee jerk?
[10:25] <DaSkreech> :-)
[10:25] <Jucato> no. nvm... just asked you out of the blue :P
[10:26] <mhb_> Jucato: bug?
[10:26] <DaSkreech> Ha ha that woke up the channel
[10:26] <mhb_> Jucato: do you need something confirmed?
[10:27] <Jucato> someone was saying that setting firefox as the default browser doesn't work for some apps.
[10:27] <Jucato> in Edgy
[10:28] <Jucato> as I'm on a very very customized Edgy install, I can't confirm his observation. But on my system, it works perfectly
[10:34] <Jucato> well, I can confirm that the default browser settings in KControl doesn't seem to affect GAIM
[10:35] <mhb_> anyone not from english-speaking country?
[10:35] <DaSkreech> Anyway
[10:35] <DaSkreech> G'night
[10:35] <DaSkreech> It's about time to wake up
[10:36] <Jucato> hhehe bye!
[01:44] <nixternal> reboot fixes everything...god i love this stuff!
[01:44] <Jucato> lol
[01:44] <Jucato> moin el!
[01:45] <nixternal> hurry up people..you got 4 hours to get to chicago for edgy partying, and all kinds of geek goodness
[01:45] <el> moin Jucato :)
[01:45] <Jucato> el: I meant to ask you something about System Settings. Sime told me to ask you about it
[01:45] <Hobbsee> hey all
[01:45] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[01:45] <Jucato> evening Hobbsee! :)
[01:45] <el> Jucato, go ahead ;-)
[01:46] <Jucato> el: it's about Launch Feedback. was it accidentally left out of System Settings? or was it intended?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> hey abattoir 
[01:46] <Jucato> just asking really. :)
[01:46] <Jucato> hi abattoir!!
[01:46] <el> Jucato, i don't know. it hasn't been in there when i first had a look at it
[01:47] <Jucato> oh it wasn't in Dapper's System Settings?
[01:47] <el> Jucato, i don't think so - mom, i'll check...
[01:47] <Jucato> abattoir: are you still running Dapper?
[01:47] <Jucato> el: thanks :)
[01:48] <abattoir> Jucato: it's been ages since i ran dapper
[01:48] <el> Jucato, where is ti in kcontrol?
[01:48] <Jucato> el: under Appearance & Themes
[01:48] <el> ah, no - that wasn;t in systemsettings
[01:48] <Jucato> Launch Feedback controls the busy/bouncing cursor and taskbar notification
[01:48] <Jucato> ah alrighty :)
[01:49] <el> Jucato, i think there might be more functionality missing. actually systemsettings still needs a lot ofwork...
[01:50] <Jucato> el: it's ok. some people (ok actually just one) have been asking. just wanted to give them a definite answer :)
[01:50] <el> Jucato, i know - seele was looking for it. do you know who is the original author of systemsettings?
[01:51] <Jucato> el: er... no. heh I can't even find a complete description for it :)
[01:51] <el> Jucato, me no either. because i wonder how they came up with the options they provide.
[01:52] <Jucato> ah the mysteries of Kubuntu :)
[01:52] <el> heh
[01:52] <el> but it's cool to have a *light* kcontrol 
[01:53] <Hobbsee> el: but kcontrol had a great "search" function
[01:53] <Jucato> kcontrol needs a makeover :)
[01:53] <el> yes.... dirk told me at akademy that they might work on it at suse
[01:53] <Hobbsee> so it didnt matter what you were after, you could just type in the first few letters of what you wanted, ie the module name, and click - you didnt have to know where it was
[01:53] <Jucato> but KControl is customizable with kcontroledit. I wonder why distros didn't try to customize it a bit
[01:54] <el> still the modules are very bloated and often difficult to use
[01:54] <mhb_> Hobbsee: it's similar with systemsettings
[01:54] <el> mhb_, yes, but the feedback is worse (i mean the highlight of hits)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> mhb_: not the same.   you could predictably pick the first option, in the same place in the screen
[01:54] <Jucato> hehe
[01:55] <Jucato> at least we have a separation of General and Advanced Settings
[01:55] <Hobbsee> true
[01:55] <el> Hobbsee, hm, yes - but then next timeyou don;t know where it is. there is no path indicator
[01:55] <Hobbsee> el: ther'es a button that tells you it
[01:55] <Hobbsee> el: to the left of search
[01:55] <el> really, Hobbsee ? ooh!
[01:56] <Jucato> button?
[01:56] <el> Hobbsee, hm, no - cant see it. just typed launch feedback and there is no indicator that it's located under apprarance and themes
[01:56] <Hobbsee> yep, to the left of search
[01:56] <el> eek, cant type today
[01:56] <Hobbsee> el: then hit the button to the left of serach, and it will show
[01:56] <el> aaha!!! 
[01:56] <Jucato> all I have at the left of "Search" is the clear search field... 
[01:56] <el> thanks, Hobbsee. hehe, learn something new every day ;-)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> el: :D
[01:57] <Hobbsee> el: i figured it out by going "what does this button do?"
[01:58] <Jucato> ah. Hobbsee, the clear field button? (black arrow with an X?)
[01:58] <el> Hobbsee, the clear button is going to be inside the line edit in kde4. it's more evident then, i hope
[01:58] <Hobbsee> el: ahh
[01:58] <Jucato> aah :)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Jucato: quite likely
[01:59] <Hobbsee> and that's hardly a clear button, if it's on that side
[01:59] <Jucato> well, you know how KDE 3 is with that button
[02:00] <Hobbsee> i cant say i take much notice of it
[02:00] <Jucato> el: although I must say that the new System Settings looks a bit out of balance...
[02:00] <Hobbsee> el: of course, one never has to actually learn the paths, if the search is good enough
[02:01] <Jucato> nothing bad in learning it either :D
[02:01] <Jucato> but only if you want to. musn't be made a necessity
[02:01] <nixternal> crispy creams is calling me
[02:01] <jsgotangco> go slack your weekend with that
[02:01] <Jucato> nixternal: have a nice time at the party :)
[02:01] <el> Jucato, that's true. the icons are too close to each other, the default window size is too small, etc
[02:01] <el> Hobbsee, but only if you know what keyword to search for
[02:02] <Hobbsee> el: that's true.  that applies to system settings too though, and most people do
[02:02] <el> Hobbsee, and if you see the item in its context, maybe you realise you need to set sth in another module
[02:03] <nixternal> i still have 2 hours before i leave...finishing up some presentations
[02:03] <Hobbsee> el: true that.  i'm of the opinion that it should swap after a few seconds, back to the tree, as if you had pressed that button
[02:03] <Hobbsee> katapult style
[02:03] <Jucato> oh el, one last thing. if Keyboard and Mouse is highlighted as one of the hits, it doesn't stand out too much from the grayed out modules
[02:03] <nixternal> my presentations are 10 slides, just the bullets, i have to explain everything..i do it this way because it makes it easier to lie when you have no idea wtf you are talking about ;)
[02:03] <Jucato> nixternal: lol :)
[02:05] <el> Jucato, *sigh* yes, the highligh really isn't sufficient. i suggested to make the font of non-highlighted modules gray, so there is a bit more of a visual difference. (even better would be a disticnt highlight color for icon+font)
[02:05] <el> Jucato, don't you want to fix it? ;-)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> he does, yes
[02:05] <Jucato> el: heheh I would if I could 
[02:06] <el> Jucato, also the modules can't be reached by keyboard... ;-)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> el: indeed.  that should be changed.
[02:07] <mhb_> mixing basic and c++ is a *bad* idea :o)
[02:07] <el> :-|
[02:07] <Jucato> lol
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:09] <jsgotangco> Jucato: its not so dark really
[02:09] <Jucato> jsgotangco: for the uninitiated, it is. hehehe :)
[02:10] <Jucato> el: someone on Kubuntu Dapper said that Launch Feedback is in System Settings -> Panel
[02:10] <el> Jucato, wait - i check the wiki
[02:11] <el> Jucato, oh! i just see: 
[02:11] <el> Dropped settings: 
[02:11] <el>  Panel, available through the panel menu. Launch feedback then needs to be moved to the panel configuration dialogue.
[02:12] <Jucato> el: ah. it wasn't moved :)
[02:12] <el> then it was an accident, actually. because launch feedback does not belong to the panel configuration
[02:12] <el> i guess i didn't look closely what it does.....
[02:12] <el> + it wasn't moved
[02:12] <el> hmmm
[02:12] <Jucato> well, it's sort of confusing because it affects both the cursor and the taskbar...
[02:13] <el> yes
[02:13] <Jucato> best place I guess would be Notifications in System Settings?
[02:13] <el> probably, yes. 
[02:13] <Jucato> ok. one mystery solved :)
[02:14] <el> yes, i was sure it wasn't in app+themes - didn't look familiar to me
[02:14] <Jucato> wonder why KControl put it there...
[02:15] <el> mysteries of kde.... ;-)
[02:15] <Jucato> hehe
[02:20] <Jucato> el: thanks a lot for your time! :)
[02:20] <el> Jucato, it's saturday, so no time pressure ;-)
[02:20] <el> weekend, juhu!
[02:20] <Jucato> heheh! :)
[02:21] <Jucato> saturday's about to end in less then 4 hours over here :)
[02:26] <mhb_> hm ... what do you suggest as the best way how to handle a list of options (each enabled/disabled) in Qt?
[02:27] <abattoir> mhb_: checkboxes?
[02:28] <mhb_> abattoir: that's too hard when there's a lot of menu items, you know
[02:28] <mhb_> I'm looking for the most usable way
[02:28] <abattoir> well, then you better ask el :P
[02:28] <Jucato> el is the usability expert :)
[02:28] <el> mhb_, how many items are that? are they related?
[02:29] <jsgotangco> el: it seems the UI study for hubbackup in paris paid off, its really nice, thanks for the help
[02:29] <el> jsgotangco, cool :)
[02:31] <mhb_> el: quite a lot, furthermore some are used more often, some less often
[02:31] <mhb_> el: some could be joined in a cathegory, some are on their own
[02:32] <el> mhb_, uhhh... hehe, gnome hig says: 
[02:32] <el> Do not place more than about eight check boxes under the same group heading. If you need more than eight, try to use blank space, heading labels or frames to divide them into smaller groups. Otherwise, consider using a check box list instead but you probably also need to think about how to simplify your user interface.
[02:33] <el> mhb_, i'd probably go for checkboxes. but try to group them in a good way. 
[02:34] <mhb_> el: grouping by importance or by cathegory?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> debian 394057
[02:34] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 394057 in ksensors "ksensors doesn't work with newest hddtemp" [Normal,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/394057
[02:34] <mhb_> that's the question .o)
[02:35] <el> mhb_, is there a way to combine importance and category?
[02:35] <mhb_> I'll think about that
[02:37] <el> mhb_, otherwise ping me once more :)
[02:50] <Jucato> imbrandon: moin :)
[04:02] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:02] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[04:03] <bddebian> Hello Jucato
[05:34] <_ale> hi to all
[05:35] <_ale> switched to edgy and now with my notebook and sis integrated I have to always hit ctrl-alt-f7 in order to pass to X
[05:36] <_ale> can be why there is Cannot open device /dev/wacom in xorg log?
[06:05] <fdoving> Riddell, FAQ at kubuntu.org should be updated with edgy section for mp3. Or somehow explain it's the same as dapper.
[06:40] <MidMark> with a notebook X starts, but I have to force view login with ctrl-alt-f7
[06:40] <MidMark> anyone else?
[06:40] <fdoving> hmm..
[06:41] <fdoving> does 'chvt 7' from the terminal work? (terminal as in login in console)
[06:44] <MidMark> fdoving: when boots is stays dark, then I press only ALT and it gives me tty1 with login, then ALTR+CTRL-F7 and I have KDM
[06:44] <MidMark> with dapper all ok, edgy -> :(
[06:44] <fdoving> ok.
[06:45] <fdoving> report a bug if it doesn't already exist.
[06:45] <fdoving> then if you want a workaround you can try to put 'chvt 7' in /etc/rc.local
[06:45] <fdoving> that might work.
[06:45] <MidMark> it force to f7?
[06:52] <MidMark> fdoving: before exit 0 in rc.local?
[06:53] <fdoving> yes, before exit 0.
[06:53] <mhb_> el: ping
[06:59] <MidMark> fdoving: do you think is an xorg or kdm or ??? bug?
[07:01] <fdoving> MidMark: don't know.
[07:01] <nixternal_> chicago in the hizzy
[07:12] <mhb_> hi all ... I've been working on a spec & description today ... if you want to check it out and comment on it, go ahead ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuGrubconfig
[07:14] <fdoving> doesn't anyone else have such a interface? 
[07:14] <fdoving> suse or something? 
[07:14] <mhb_> Riddell: ^^ who is the person with the right to target it to a release (feisty) ? Am I allowed to do it? Or should I wait a bit more?
[07:15] <mhb_> fdoving: SuSE has something similar in Yast and mandriva too, but they're both different
[07:15] <fdoving> ok.
[07:15] <mhb_> fdoving: I looked at both of them and borrowed from the UI
[07:16] <fdoving> nice. good research then :)
[07:16] <mhb_> fdoving: I think these two other apps don't support themes
[07:16] <fdoving> I don't use grub, so I wouldn't know.
[07:17] <mhb_> fdoving: and porting them to systemsettings (for example the yast one) would be harder than writing your own in python
[07:17] <fdoving> probably :)
[07:18] <mhb_> fdoving: yes, IMO... thanks for the comments
[07:18] <mhb_> fdoving: I think I should add it to the spec
[07:19] <fdoving> Also, a option to have it auto-detect somehow. If you use grub or not.
[07:19] <fdoving> I don't want grub stuff in my systemsettings.
[07:19] <abattoir> fdoving: you use lilo?
[07:20] <fdoving> yaboot
[07:20] <abattoir> fdoving: oh, yeah, you're on a mac :P
[07:20] <fdoving> and lilo. I have grub on my home server, but that doesn't reboot very often.
[07:21] <abattoir> mhb_: how about a universal bootloader manager, if that's possible, w/o it being bloated?
[07:21] <fdoving> does ubuntu have a feature like this? 
[07:21] <mhb_> abattoir: it would be a lot harder
[07:22] <fdoving> mhb_: that could be a target, first support grub, then support, lilo, yaboot, etc.. 
[07:22] <mhb_> I'll add it to discussion then
[07:23] <mhb_> fdoving: if I understand correctly grub is not the main bootloader on Macs?
[07:24] <fdoving> grub doesn't work on macs.
[07:25] <mhb_> fdoving: bad grub
[07:25] <mhb_> fdoving: nor on Intel Macs?
[07:26] <fdoving> I guess intel-macs use grub, as they are intel.
[07:26] <orkid__> grub2 is being tested on intel macs
[07:27] <orkid__> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2-faq.en.html
[07:27] <mhb_> I was asking today and we cannot count on grub2 to be ready before fiesty
[07:28] <mhb_> I have some connection trouble, so if I disconnect all of the sudden then it's not my fault :o)
[07:32] <imbrandon> fdoving, not really atm mostly becouse of efi booting
[07:32] <imbrandon> but grub2 should be working from what i've heard
[07:33] <imbrandon> elilo is the prefered one atm iirc
[07:33] <fdoving> ok, i have no clue. I use yaboot on this G4.
[07:33] <mhb_> imbrandon: the question is whether it will be stable enough
[07:33] <imbrandon> yea yaboot on my g4 too, but intel macs are a bit diffrent than "normal" intels but not quite old macs either hehe
[07:34] <mhb_> imbrandon: fiesty's no edgy, after all
[07:34] <imbrandon> mhb a few of the other core devs have elilo working good
[07:34] <imbrandon> past that i dont know
[07:34] <mhb_> imbrandon: so there's a plan to switch to elilo?
[07:34] <imbrandon> mhb no, thats not what i said
[07:34] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:35] <fdoving> imbrandon: yeah, intel macs goes the ia64-way. just to make everything harder for everyone.
[07:35] <imbrandon> untill something matures nothing works out of the box and all options are being looked at, but as for what worked RIGHT THIS SECOND you can use elilo
[07:35] <fdoving> mhb_, elilo is for the intel macs, and most ia64 systems.
[07:35] <imbrandon> fdoving, they arent the only one, more and more normal intels are using efi motherboards too
[07:35] <imbrandon> but yea
[07:36] <mhb_> brb
[07:36] <fdoving> imbrandon: does ubuntu/kubuntu autodetect this? 
[07:37] <imbrandon> fdoving, no
[07:37] <imbrandon> *ubuntu doesnt work ootb without tweaking on the intel mac's just yet without tweaking, it can be done but its not for the faint of heart for the moment
[07:38] <imbrandon> i'm sure by the release of feisty that will change
[07:39] <imbrandon> here is desrt's accounts from this http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/macbook.xhtml
[07:39] <imbrandon> ( a core dev ) as he works on it, atm afaik he is the only core dev with the hardware readly avail
[08:00] <nixternal_> imbrandon: hurry up and get here to chicago
[08:00] <mhb_> in order to win over the Mac people we should be even more ootb than Macs themselves :o)
[08:05] <orkid__> ootb?
[08:06] <mhb_> working out of the box 
[08:14] <fdoving> that's hard :|
[08:15] <mhb_> fdoving: I agree
[08:17] <imbrandon> nixternal heh why ?
[08:17] <imbrandon> i'm headed to cali not chi, much warmer 
[10:21] <mhb_> a lot of edgy upgrade criticism lately
[10:32] <imbrandon> mhb_: as with all upgrades
[10:32] <mhb_> imbrandon: yes, well...
[10:33] <mhb_> imbrandon: I'll try to assemble some testers to make it less painful for Feisty
[10:33] <imbrandon> also alot of edgy upgrade praise too , it all depends on how you look at it
[10:33] <imbrandon> mhb_: great
[10:33] <mhb_> imbrandon: that's what the new testing team is for
[10:33] <imbrandon> exactly
[10:34] <mhb_> imbrandon: I've heard a lot of negative experience, but it's probably because I read forums
[10:34] <imbrandon> most likely, yes
[10:34] <imbrandon> good and bad comes with every upgrade
[10:35] <imbrandon> i can tell you upgrading from breezy to dapper is alot more painfull than dapper to edgy, it all depends on how you look at it
[10:35] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: exactly
[10:36] <gnomefreak> we can make it easy but only so easy :(
[10:37] <imbrandon> out of a few million downloads i'm not thinking a few issues on the forums is "alot", on the same hand the number of praises are there too, does that mean it dosent need fixed? no , not at all, but you have to priortize things and take some with salt :)
[10:39] <imbrandon> considering large changes like a new init system and gcc and ssp in gcc and new Xorg etc etc etc i dont see the issues as show stopers , esp when this was a "rough edge" release from the get go AND done in 4 months
[10:39] <gnomefreak> all people have to know is install the -desktop package before upgrading (is that really that hard to do )
[10:40] <imbrandon> when you look at the whole picture its easy to see that, but those on the forums saying "my blah is brok, edgy sux0rs" are loud "fix MY problem" types, look at the major changes that took place in 4 moths that no other distro has pulled off to date
[10:41] <imbrandon> not to say the things dont need fixed, but as i said, its not as grave as its put out to be
[10:41] <mhb_> imbrandon: I agree
[10:41] <claydoh> maybe a big blurb on the download page, if its not there, as well as on the release news maybe the upgrade info should be closer to the top?
[10:42] <imbrandon> maybe :)
[10:42] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: people dont understand that 4 months is a short time period they think its easy to pull off. when has windows done it in 2 years? and same with every linux distro they havent done it in less than what like a year
[10:43] <claydoh> but heck, I didn't read that page either :)
[10:43] <imbrandon> cosidering i'm running feisty already on one box, by the time release rolls arround i've seen much worse :)
[10:43] <claydoh> extra patience and a selection of helpful links are all thats needed :)
[10:44] <claydoh> for those helping
[10:44] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: the repos opened already? read in LP there are no packages for it
[10:44] <imbrandon> but we have the foundation laid now, and a full 6 month cycle so feisty should rock some worlds
[10:44] <mhb_> imbrandon: ^^ same question :o)
[10:44] <jjesse> there are feisty repos already?
[10:44] <gnomefreak> lol
[10:44] <gnomefreak> jjesse: no
[10:44] <jjesse> [16:43]  imbrandon: cosidering i'm running feisty already on one box, by the time release rolls arround i've seen much worse :)
[10:45] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: a few packages have been updated, yes they have been "open" for the new tool chain to be bootstraped since edgys release ( within hours )
[10:45] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:45] <imbrandon> glibc kernel debootstrap etc
[10:45] <imbrandon> but as the toolchain gets uploaded i know there will be 2 or 3 weeks of downtime 
[10:46] <imbrandon> right, unless your coding on something there is little reason to do so now
[10:47] <mhb_> imbrandon: speaking of coding, did you work on the systemsettings/kcmshell module for editing the .hidden (or so I understood) ?
[10:47] <imbrandon> its one of the things on my list, but if your expecting to see something in the next 30 to 45 days your umm  silly
[10:47] <imbrandon> :)
[10:48] <gnomefreak> ;)
[10:48] <mhb_> imbrandon: I always expect too much so yes I'm silly in a way :o)
[10:48] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: heh, what is it ?
[10:48] <gnomefreak> frostwire
[10:49] <gnomefreak> but i have a bit of cracking to do to it first
[10:49] <gnomefreak> cracking = half assed hacking
[10:49] <imbrandon> mhb_: my imediate things are amarok 1.4.4 compiling for the release tomarrow and finishing up koffice 1.6 for amd64 and ppc
[10:49] <gnomefreak> install script needs to be reworked
[10:49] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: ok
[10:49] <gnomefreak> sweet
[10:49] <gnomefreak> those are out for 386?
[10:50] <mhb_> jjesse: did you comment on the bug as I suggested yet?
[10:50] <imbrandon> koffice is , amarok isnt officialy out till tomarrow so i cant upload it just yet
[10:50] <mhb_> imbrandon: good... there's always stuff to do
[10:51] <gnomefreak> 1.6 has been in edgy
[10:51] <imbrandon> it should be a canidate for multiverse 
[10:51] <gnomefreak> is this a like 1.6.*
[10:51] <imbrandon> 1.6 is only un edgy on kubuntu.org
[10:51] <imbrandon> 1.6 final
[10:51] <gnomefreak> oh
[10:52] <gnomefreak> Installed: 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2 ack :(
[10:52] <imbrandon> brandon@intrepid:/var/cache/pbuilder/edgy$ apt-cache madison koffice koffice | 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2 | http://192.168.1.5 edgy/main Packages
[10:52] <gnomefreak> saw that looking for repo again
[10:53] <imbrandon> w.k.o/packages/koffice-16 edgy main 
[10:53] <imbrandon> iirc
[10:54] <mhb_> is there a way how to start katapult from a command line?
[10:54] <imbrandon> katapult
[10:54] <gnomefreak> katapult doesnt do it i gues?
[10:54] <imbrandon> once its running hit alt+spacebar
[10:55] <mhb_> imbrandon: yes, but that's what is not working now so I want to get some output
[10:55] <mhb_> imbrandon: appending: katapult
[10:55] <mhb_> imbrandon: and that's all it says ... alt+spacebar doesn't work so I hoped there's an alternative way how to invoke it
[10:56] <imbrandon> not that i know of, poke mez sometime
[10:56] <mhb_> imbrandon: thanks anyway
[11:22] <mhb_> good night, all