| kiko | sabdfl, yes, back now | 12:25 |
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| kiko | was on the phone | 12:25 |
| sabdfl | want to catch up by phone quickly? | 12:28 |
| sabdfl | what time is it over there? my timezones are pretty shot | 12:28 |
| kiko | sabdfl, it's 7:30, sure I'll take a call | 12:29 |
| kiko | sabdfl, what are you doing awake anyway? | 12:29 |
| sabdfl | it's the lag man, the lag | 12:30 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #68732 in launchpad-support-tracker "Members of teams should be able to remove any teams they're a member of (implicit or explicit membership) from being a support contact." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68732 | 12:40 |
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| jldugger_ | is there a way to sort open bugs lists in launchpad by number of subscribers? | 01:38 |
| kiko | jldugger_, not today, but file a bug and we can do that. | 01:41 |
| jldugger_ | i was just thinking it might be a better indicator of priority than "importance" | 01:42 |
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| Mez | Hi there, is there anyway I can get mailman to accept emails from launchpad, but not be an open list ? | 01:49 |
| kiko | Mez, yes. | 01:49 |
| Mez | I've tried adding Sender: bounces@canonical.com to my spam filters and setting that to accept. | 01:49 |
| kiko | Mez, just add us to the sender filters. | 01:49 |
| Mez | but it doesnt seem to work | 01:49 |
| kiko | Mez, do you have it set up to moderate? | 01:49 |
| kiko | if so, just look at the queue and there's an option to accept email from that address | 01:50 |
| Mez | kiko: that would work, however when LP sends bug emails to a user - it sends them as the preferred email address of the user | 01:50 |
| kiko | mmmm | 01:50 |
| Mez | so, if I were to reply to a bug - I'd recieve email from ubuntu@sourceguru.net | 01:50 |
| kiko | good point | 01:50 |
| Mez | which would be fine - but I'd have to whitelist each and every address ... | 01:51 |
| kiko | hmmm | 01:51 |
| kiko | let's see. | 01:51 |
| kiko | Mez, yeah.. sounds reasonable. | 01:52 |
| kiko | Sender: launchpad-bugs-bounces@lists.canonical.com | 01:52 |
| kiko | mmm | 01:52 |
| kiko | Sender: bounces@canonical.com | 01:52 |
| kiko | yeah, mail coming straight to me comes with that sender | 01:53 |
| Mez | yes - however, that doesnt seem to work | 01:53 |
| Mez | if I add that as a filter for spam (and set to accept) | 01:53 |
| Mez | then it still gets set pending moderator request | 01:53 |
| kiko | that's odd. might even be a mailman bug | 01:53 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #68754 in launchpad "Missing sort by number of subscribers option" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68754 | 01:56 |
| Mez | kiko: It's darn annoying I tell you that ;) | 01:57 |
| kiko | I can imagine | 01:57 |
| kiko | friggin spammers | 01:57 |
| Mez | (you ought to see -backports moderation request list ;) | 01:57 |
| kiko | it wouldn't fit in my eyes | 01:57 |
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| Mez | kiko: any ideas? | 01:59 |
| kiko | Mez, look at mailman code? try matching another header? | 01:59 |
| kiko | Reply-To:.*@bugs.launchpad.net | 01:59 |
| Mez | kiko: believe me I've tried matching every header I can think of ;) | 01:59 |
| kiko | mmmm | 01:59 |
| kiko | I'd take a look at the mailman code | 02:00 |
| kiko | just do the basic experiment | 02:00 |
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| Mez | kiko: you understand python better than me | 02:05 |
| Mez | http://rafb.net/paste/results/zZ8QtF75.html | 02:05 |
| Mez | is that just doing nothing if it's set to "ACCEPT" | 02:06 |
| Mez | ? | 02:06 |
| kiko | Mez, yeah, looks like a friggin bug. one sec. | 02:06 |
| kiko | hmmm | 02:06 |
| kiko | maybe not, let me see | 02:07 |
| kiko | Mez, what file is that? | 02:07 |
| Mez | Handlers/SpamDetect.py | 02:08 |
| Mez | ah, but it does the same for accept_these_nonmembers | 02:11 |
| Mez | if matches_p(sender, mlist.accept_these_nonmembers): | 02:11 |
| Mez | return | 02:11 |
| kiko | hmmm | 02:11 |
| Mez | I wish there was a way to test ;) | 02:12 |
| Mez | for mailman to provide some oputput | 02:12 |
| kiko | Mez, you can write to a file in /tmp | 02:13 |
| === Mez wouldn't know how | ||
| === Mez wouldnt even know how to see if the SpamDetect.py is being called | ||
| kiko | so | 02:14 |
| kiko | open("/tmp/x").write("CALLED 1") | 02:15 |
| kiko | errr | 02:15 |
| kiko | open("/tmp/x", "w").write("CALLED 1") | 02:15 |
| Mez | surely that should be open("/tmp/x", "a").write("CALLED 1") | 02:15 |
| kiko | well | 02:15 |
| kiko | it was just an illustration | 02:16 |
| kiko | you could do /tmp/x | 02:16 |
| kiko | and /tmp/y | 02:16 |
| kiko | etc | 02:16 |
| kiko | but I'm curious to see if that regexp is not matching | 02:16 |
| kiko | because it matches manually | 02:16 |
| kiko | ah! | 02:16 |
| kiko | I think I know what's happening. | 02:16 |
| Mez | do enlighten me ;) | 02:17 |
| kiko | accept there really means "don't do anything" | 02:17 |
| kiko | and then at the end of the chain if nothing decided to do something | 02:17 |
| kiko | it is accepted. | 02:17 |
| Mez | hmmles.... | 02:17 |
| kiko | so how is accept actually done | 02:17 |
| kiko | mmm | 02:17 |
| Mez | it's the order in which it's being called ? | 02:17 |
| Mez | !katapult | 02:18 |
| Mez | !info katapult | 02:19 |
| kiko | look at Queue/IncomingRunner.py | 02:19 |
| kiko | and Defaults.py | 02:19 |
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| Mez | kiko: the thing is - even if I change the pipeline, if what you say about "don't do anything" is the case... it's still going to cause problems no matter what order the pipeline is in surely? | 02:24 |
| kiko | Mez, yes. | 02:24 |
| kiko | one sec. | 02:24 |
| Mez | if one thing raises a "hold" then surely, afterwards, having a "we dont do anything here - we'll accept later" will make it still hold | 02:24 |
| kiko | yeah. | 02:24 |
| kiko | I'm looking at the code | 02:24 |
| Mez | what a bitch eh ? | 02:25 |
| kiko | it's funny | 02:25 |
| kiko | but defer and accept | 02:25 |
| kiko | are essentially identical | 02:25 |
| kiko | except for the fact that accept actually checks the pattern | 02:26 |
| kiko | and then does nothing :) | 02:26 |
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| Mez | kiko: and the annoying thing is - once I've managed to sort it out on my server - I've got to try and persuade someone to fix it on l.u.c too ;) | 02:26 |
| kiko | so | 02:28 |
| kiko | try this | 02:28 |
| kiko | instead of return | 02:28 |
| kiko | do: | 02:28 |
| Mez | nothing ?:P | 02:29 |
| kiko | something like | 02:29 |
| kiko | mlist.HandleRequest(msg, mm_cfg.APPROVE) | 02:30 |
| kiko | hmmm | 02:31 |
| Mez | hmm? | 02:31 |
| kiko | I'm trying to figure out what msg is | 02:31 |
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| kiko | so... I'm not sure | 02:33 |
| kiko | it's a bit weird | 02:33 |
| kiko | but there appears to be no way to short-circuit approval | 02:33 |
| kiko | which is annoying | 02:33 |
| Mez | do you reckon that'll work or not ? | 02:34 |
| kiko | I'm not sure. I think HandleRequest will do what we want, but I'm not sure what the ids are | 02:34 |
| kiko | hmmmm | 02:34 |
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| kiko | I'm too tired I think | 02:37 |
| kiko | I need some zzz time | 02:37 |
| Mez | lol | 02:37 |
| kiko-zzz | and with that.. | 02:38 |
| Mez | :( | 02:39 |
| kiko-zzz | I think there's a way to get the effect you want | 02:39 |
| kiko-zzz | but it's non-obvious | 02:39 |
| Mez | yup | 02:40 |
| Mez | I think I may have found a way kiko-zzz | 03:01 |
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| jordi | SteveA, kiko? | 12:14 |
| SteveA | jordi: hello | 12:33 |
| jordi | SteveA: I wanted to discuss the convenience of creating another translator group, but after discussing with Carlos, we decided to go ahead as we think it's justified | 12:37 |
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| SteveA | ok | 12:44 |
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| carlos | SteveA: do we have the list of current launchpad dependencies noted in any place? | 01:17 |
| carlos | SteveA: I'm not able to run pagetests, any POST submission fail with a TypeError | 01:18 |
| carlos | I removed some packages from my system and I wonder whether that was the cause or just Edgy incompatibility | 01:18 |
| carlos | SteveA: the back trace I got is https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileEu5YDT.html | 01:20 |
| SteveA | did you recompile stuff after upgrading to edgy | 01:24 |
| SteveA | ? | 01:24 |
| SteveA | I upgraded to edgy last night | 01:25 |
| SteveA | I'll try doing a 'make clean' in a launchpad tree | 01:25 |
| SteveA | then a 'make' | 01:25 |
| SteveA | then a make run | 01:25 |
| carlos | SteveA: yeah, I recompile it from time to time | 01:27 |
| carlos | when I merge from rocketfuel | 01:27 |
| carlos | so I'm sure I have latest code | 01:27 |
| jamesh | carlos: I ran into that error and posted to the list about it | 01:33 |
| carlos | oh, really? | 01:33 |
| carlos | I see it | 01:33 |
| carlos | right... I missed that email | 01:33 |
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| jamesh | carlos: a change to the "cgi" standard library module causes it to have problems with the HTTPInputStreams | 01:34 |
| carlos | hmmm, that's what produces more than 150 test failures here (I guess it's the same for you) | 01:35 |
| carlos | so If we are moving to Edgy, we should fix it as soon as possible.. | 01:35 |
| carlos | jamesh: isn't it failing for upstream Zope too? | 01:36 |
| carlos | or that's something specific in our tree? | 01:36 |
| jamesh | carlos: from what BjornT said, it sounds like it has been fixed upstream | 01:36 |
| carlos | so we need to backport the fix in our tree | 01:37 |
| kiko | hello | 02:23 |
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| jamesh | kiko: the fix for bug 929 is up on staging now: https://staging.launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/929 <- nice wrapping | 04:27 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 929 in launchpad "Long words (such as URLs) overflow columns" [Critical,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/929 | 04:27 |
| kiko | jamesh, you think I didn't notice? I am writing you a thank you email as we speak | 04:29 |
| kiko | jamesh, the pages look just awesome! | 04:29 |
| LarstiQ | jamesh: woot! | 04:30 |
| LarstiQ | alas, it doesn't work for my confirmed emails | 04:32 |
| kiko | LarstiQ? | 04:32 |
| kiko | ah in the portlet | 04:32 |
| LarstiQ | yeah | 04:32 |
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| jamesh | we could probably expose a fmt:break-words tales expression for cases like that | 04:33 |
| kiko | jamesh, that would be a great idea -- and not too hard with your patch? | 04:33 |
| jamesh | kiko: shouldn't be | 04:34 |
| jamesh | LarstiQ: you could just get shorter email addresses ... | 04:34 |
| jamesh | or a widescreen monitor | 04:34 |
| === LarstiQ has a 1600x1200 display | ||
| LarstiQ | but not on my laptop I'm afraid | 04:35 |
| === jamesh has a 2560x1024 display | ||
| === LarstiQ drools | ||
| jamesh | (it has a break in the middle though) | 04:36 |
| carlos | smaller fonts? | 04:37 |
| === carlos hides | ||
| jamesh | and the XV overlay doesn't work for windows stretched over both heads, so it isn't much better for watching movies | 04:38 |
| kiko | carlos, ping? | 04:43 |
| carlos | kiko: pong | 04:43 |
| kiko | Subject: Plural forms of Ojibwe (oj) | 04:43 |
| kiko | carlos, do we need to do anything about that? | 04:43 |
| carlos | prepare the gettext plural form expression from that info | 04:44 |
| carlos | and request its addition to our production DB | 04:44 |
| kiko | carlos, is it on your todo list? | 04:44 |
| kiko | Subject: Approaching translation deadline, OOo | 04:45 |
| carlos | all that mailing list is in my todo list, but I'm concentrated with the translation reverting problem | 04:45 |
| kiko | carlos, you're not doing very well with your todo list, then! | 04:46 |
| kiko | I will prod you to answer when I see something that's been there for too long. | 04:46 |
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| carlos | dude.... I know I'm behind there, we had this discussion yesterday | 04:46 |
| carlos | could I get sometime to fix the situation before you complain again? | 04:46 |
| kiko | I was hoping you'd go through the recent messages and answer them too instead of burying yourself in another problem for a week :) | 04:47 |
| carlos | dude! | 04:47 |
| carlos | you asked me to make the translation reverting problem my first priority over anything else! | 04:47 |
| kiko | yes, that's right, but you are still allowed to answer 5-minute emails from time to time. :) | 04:48 |
| kiko | I'm mostly teasing you | 04:48 |
| kiko | but remember that. | 04:48 |
| jordi | kiko: besides, the explanation makes me have a few questions | 04:48 |
| kiko | anyway let me get back to my report | 04:48 |
| jordi | I want to discuss w/ carlos and danilo if his explanation means nplurals=3 or 2 | 04:48 |
| kiko | jordi, that's cool. then reply to the message so that people can see we're doing something about it. | 04:48 |
| jordi | yep | 04:49 |
| kiko | if you only communicate directly to them our users get annoyed, and then I get annoyed | 04:49 |
| kiko | jordi, are you coming to the allhands? I want company | 04:49 |
| kiko | we will rent bikes | 04:49 |
| kiko | and cycle all around the bay area from 6-8:30 | 04:49 |
| jordi | kiko: :/ | 04:50 |
| jordi | $"DFSD people at lliurex didn't give me perms :( | 04:50 |
| jordi | I'm a bit annoyed about that | 04:50 |
| kiko | oh ffs | 04:50 |
| jordi | yeah dude | 04:50 |
| kiko | give me a friggin break | 04:50 |
| jordi | I was so looking forward cyclng/running around the city | 04:50 |
| kiko | and is that final? | 04:51 |
| kiko | no way around it? | 04:51 |
| kiko | do you have no vacation time left? | 04:51 |
| jordi | apparently not | 04:51 |
| jordi | it's already allocated for February | 04:51 |
| kiko | february? | 04:52 |
| LarstiQ | fosdem? | 04:52 |
| jordi | yeah, Norway | 04:52 |
| jordi | nope, but I hope it won't overlap | 04:52 |
| jordi | fosdem only needs one or two days off | 04:52 |
| jordi | after this year's experience, I probably want to be back | 04:53 |
| LarstiQ | yay :) | 04:53 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #68863 in malone "Ethiopic true type fonts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68863 | 05:30 |
| kiko | jamesh, what is this, international land-your-pending-branches day? ;-) | 06:00 |
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| LarstiQ | kiko: haha, you took the ddaa voodoo line verbatim, sweet :0 | 08:03 |
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