[12:25] sabdfl, yes, back now [12:25] was on the phone [12:28] want to catch up by phone quickly? [12:28] what time is it over there? my timezones are pretty shot [12:29] sabdfl, it's 7:30, sure I'll take a call [12:29] sabdfl, what are you doing awake anyway? [12:30] it's the lag man, the lag === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-121-066.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad [12:40] New bug: #68732 in launchpad-support-tracker "Members of teams should be able to remove any teams they're a member of (implicit or explicit membership) from being a support contact." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68732 === koke [n=koke@adsl229-164.unizar.es] has joined #launchpad === BaKKaR showring === BaKKaR is now known as bakkar-away === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has left #launchpad [] === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #launchpad ["Bye"] === mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad === jldugger_ [n=jldugger@adsl-75-18-0-152.dsl.tpkaks.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad [01:38] is there a way to sort open bugs lists in launchpad by number of subscribers? [01:41] jldugger_, not today, but file a bug and we can do that. [01:42] i was just thinking it might be a better indicator of priority than "importance" === Mez [i=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad [01:49] Hi there, is there anyway I can get mailman to accept emails from launchpad, but not be an open list ? [01:49] Mez, yes. [01:49] I've tried adding Sender: bounces@canonical.com to my spam filters and setting that to accept. [01:49] Mez, just add us to the sender filters. [01:49] but it doesnt seem to work [01:49] Mez, do you have it set up to moderate? [01:50] if so, just look at the queue and there's an option to accept email from that address [01:50] kiko: that would work, however when LP sends bug emails to a user - it sends them as the preferred email address of the user [01:50] mmmm [01:50] so, if I were to reply to a bug - I'd recieve email from ubuntu@sourceguru.net [01:50] good point [01:51] which would be fine - but I'd have to whitelist each and every address ... [01:51] hmmm [01:51] let's see. [01:52] Mez, yeah.. sounds reasonable. [01:52] Sender: launchpad-bugs-bounces@lists.canonical.com [01:52] mmm [01:52] Sender: bounces@canonical.com [01:53] yeah, mail coming straight to me comes with that sender [01:53] yes - however, that doesnt seem to work [01:53] if I add that as a filter for spam (and set to accept) [01:53] then it still gets set pending moderator request [01:53] that's odd. might even be a mailman bug [01:56] New bug: #68754 in launchpad "Missing sort by number of subscribers option" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68754 [01:57] kiko: It's darn annoying I tell you that ;) [01:57] I can imagine [01:57] friggin spammers [01:57] (you ought to see -backports moderation request list ;) [01:57] it wouldn't fit in my eyes === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #launchpad [01:59] kiko: any ideas? [01:59] Mez, look at mailman code? try matching another header? [01:59] Reply-To:.*@bugs.launchpad.net [01:59] kiko: believe me I've tried matching every header I can think of ;) [01:59] mmmm [02:00] I'd take a look at the mailman code [02:00] just do the basic experiment === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-229-165.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad [02:05] kiko: you understand python better than me [02:05] http://rafb.net/paste/results/zZ8QtF75.html [02:06] is that just doing nothing if it's set to "ACCEPT" [02:06] ? [02:06] Mez, yeah, looks like a friggin bug. one sec. [02:06] hmmm [02:07] maybe not, let me see [02:07] Mez, what file is that? [02:08] Handlers/SpamDetect.py [02:11] ah, but it does the same for accept_these_nonmembers [02:11] if matches_p(sender, mlist.accept_these_nonmembers): [02:11] return [02:11] hmmm [02:12] I wish there was a way to test ;) [02:12] for mailman to provide some oputput [02:13] Mez, you can write to a file in /tmp === Mez wouldn't know how === Mez wouldnt even know how to see if the SpamDetect.py is being called [02:14] so [02:15] open("/tmp/x").write("CALLED 1") [02:15] errr [02:15] open("/tmp/x", "w").write("CALLED 1") [02:15] surely that should be open("/tmp/x", "a").write("CALLED 1") [02:15] well [02:16] it was just an illustration [02:16] you could do /tmp/x [02:16] and /tmp/y [02:16] etc [02:16] but I'm curious to see if that regexp is not matching [02:16] because it matches manually [02:16] ah! [02:16] I think I know what's happening. [02:17] do enlighten me ;) [02:17] accept there really means "don't do anything" [02:17] and then at the end of the chain if nothing decided to do something [02:17] it is accepted. [02:17] hmmles.... [02:17] so how is accept actually done [02:17] mmm [02:17] it's the order in which it's being called ? [02:18] !katapult [02:19] !info katapult [02:19] look at Queue/IncomingRunner.py [02:19] and Defaults.py === Mez has no idea what he's looking for [02:24] kiko: the thing is - even if I change the pipeline, if what you say about "don't do anything" is the case... it's still going to cause problems no matter what order the pipeline is in surely? [02:24] Mez, yes. [02:24] one sec. [02:24] if one thing raises a "hold" then surely, afterwards, having a "we dont do anything here - we'll accept later" will make it still hold [02:24] yeah. [02:24] I'm looking at the code [02:25] what a bitch eh ? [02:25] it's funny [02:25] but defer and accept [02:25] are essentially identical [02:26] except for the fact that accept actually checks the pattern [02:26] and then does nothing :) === Alinux [n=alinux@d83-184-201-75.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad [02:26] kiko: and the annoying thing is - once I've managed to sort it out on my server - I've got to try and persuade someone to fix it on l.u.c too ;) [02:28] so [02:28] try this [02:28] instead of return [02:28] do: [02:29] nothing ?:P [02:29] something like [02:30] mlist.HandleRequest(msg, mm_cfg.APPROVE) [02:31] hmmm [02:31] hmm? [02:31] I'm trying to figure out what msg is === Mez hould turn greylisting off temporarily [02:33] so... I'm not sure [02:33] it's a bit weird [02:33] but there appears to be no way to short-circuit approval [02:33] which is annoying [02:34] do you reckon that'll work or not ? [02:34] I'm not sure. I think HandleRequest will do what we want, but I'm not sure what the ids are [02:34] hmmmm === Mez wonders why adeile isnt connecting to his mailserver [02:37] I'm too tired I think [02:37] I need some zzz time [02:37] lol [02:38] and with that.. [02:39] :( [02:39] I think there's a way to get the effect you want [02:39] but it's non-obvious [02:40] yup [03:01] I think I may have found a way kiko-zzz === xenru|clone [n=Miranda@3-200.rdm.ru] has joined #launchpad === belito [n=user@201.240.16.235] has joined #launchpad === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #launchpad === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@220-253-139-187.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@220-253-139-187.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@220-253-139-187.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === WebMaven [n=webmaven@69.88.117.162] has joined #launchpad === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad === xenru [n=Miranda@85.192.14.250] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@220-253-139-35.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === xenru|clone [n=Miranda@85.192.14.250] has joined #launchpad === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-207.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@75.Red-88-0-156.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-50-138.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad === xenru [n=Miranda@85.192.14.250] has joined #launchpad === xenru [n=Miranda@85.192.14.250] has joined #launchpad === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-083-102-068-117.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #launchpad === tambaqui [n=tambaqui@s559000b0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #launchpad [12:14] SteveA, kiko? [12:33] jordi: hello [12:37] SteveA: I wanted to discuss the convenience of creating another translator group, but after discussing with Carlos, we decided to go ahead as we think it's justified === lukketto [n=lukketto@host86-155-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad [12:44] ok === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-083-102-068-117.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #launchpad === jkakar [n=jkakar@204.174.36.228] has joined #launchpad [01:17] SteveA: do we have the list of current launchpad dependencies noted in any place? [01:18] SteveA: I'm not able to run pagetests, any POST submission fail with a TypeError [01:18] I removed some packages from my system and I wonder whether that was the cause or just Edgy incompatibility [01:20] SteveA: the back trace I got is https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileEu5YDT.html [01:24] did you recompile stuff after upgrading to edgy [01:24] ? [01:25] I upgraded to edgy last night [01:25] I'll try doing a 'make clean' in a launchpad tree [01:25] then a 'make' [01:25] then a make run [01:27] SteveA: yeah, I recompile it from time to time [01:27] when I merge from rocketfuel [01:27] so I'm sure I have latest code [01:33] carlos: I ran into that error and posted to the list about it [01:33] oh, really? [01:33] I see it [01:33] right... I missed that email === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad [01:34] carlos: a change to the "cgi" standard library module causes it to have problems with the HTTPInputStreams [01:35] hmmm, that's what produces more than 150 test failures here (I guess it's the same for you) [01:35] so If we are moving to Edgy, we should fix it as soon as possible.. [01:36] jamesh: isn't it failing for upstream Zope too? [01:36] or that's something specific in our tree? [01:36] carlos: from what BjornT said, it sounds like it has been fixed upstream [01:37] so we need to backport the fix in our tree [02:23] hello === ctrlsoft [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@127.Red-83-50-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [04:27] kiko: the fix for bug 929 is up on staging now: https://staging.launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/929 <- nice wrapping [04:27] Malone bug 929 in launchpad "Long words (such as URLs) overflow columns" [Critical,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/929 [04:29] jamesh, you think I didn't notice? I am writing you a thank you email as we speak [04:29] jamesh, the pages look just awesome! [04:30] jamesh: woot! [04:32] alas, it doesn't work for my confirmed emails [04:32] LarstiQ? [04:32] ah in the portlet [04:32] yeah === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #launchpad [04:33] we could probably expose a fmt:break-words tales expression for cases like that [04:33] jamesh, that would be a great idea -- and not too hard with your patch? [04:34] kiko: shouldn't be [04:34] LarstiQ: you could just get shorter email addresses ... [04:34] or a widescreen monitor === LarstiQ has a 1600x1200 display [04:35] but not on my laptop I'm afraid === jamesh has a 2560x1024 display === LarstiQ drools [04:36] (it has a break in the middle though) [04:37] smaller fonts? === carlos hides [04:38] and the XV overlay doesn't work for windows stretched over both heads, so it isn't much better for watching movies [04:43] carlos, ping? [04:43] kiko: pong [04:43] Subject: Plural forms of Ojibwe (oj) [04:43] carlos, do we need to do anything about that? [04:44] prepare the gettext plural form expression from that info [04:44] and request its addition to our production DB [04:44] carlos, is it on your todo list? [04:45] Subject: Approaching translation deadline, OOo [04:45] all that mailing list is in my todo list, but I'm concentrated with the translation reverting problem [04:46] carlos, you're not doing very well with your todo list, then! [04:46] I will prod you to answer when I see something that's been there for too long. === kiko yawns [04:46] dude.... I know I'm behind there, we had this discussion yesterday [04:46] could I get sometime to fix the situation before you complain again? [04:47] I was hoping you'd go through the recent messages and answer them too instead of burying yourself in another problem for a week :) [04:47] dude! [04:47] you asked me to make the translation reverting problem my first priority over anything else! [04:48] yes, that's right, but you are still allowed to answer 5-minute emails from time to time. :) [04:48] I'm mostly teasing you [04:48] but remember that. [04:48] kiko: besides, the explanation makes me have a few questions [04:48] anyway let me get back to my report [04:48] I want to discuss w/ carlos and danilo if his explanation means nplurals=3 or 2 [04:48] jordi, that's cool. then reply to the message so that people can see we're doing something about it. [04:49] yep [04:49] if you only communicate directly to them our users get annoyed, and then I get annoyed [04:49] jordi, are you coming to the allhands? I want company [04:49] we will rent bikes [04:49] and cycle all around the bay area from 6-8:30 [04:50] kiko: :/ [04:50] $"DFSD people at lliurex didn't give me perms :( [04:50] I'm a bit annoyed about that [04:50] oh ffs [04:50] yeah dude [04:50] give me a friggin break [04:50] I was so looking forward cyclng/running around the city [04:51] and is that final? [04:51] no way around it? [04:51] do you have no vacation time left? [04:51] apparently not [04:51] it's already allocated for February [04:52] february? [04:52] fosdem? [04:52] yeah, Norway [04:52] nope, but I hope it won't overlap [04:52] fosdem only needs one or two days off [04:53] after this year's experience, I probably want to be back [04:53] yay :) [05:30] New bug: #68863 in malone "Ethiopic true type fonts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68863 [06:00] jamesh, what is this, international land-your-pending-branches day? ;-) === lukketto [n=lukketto@host86-155-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad [08:03] kiko: haha, you took the ddaa voodoo line verbatim, sweet :0 === lukketto [n=lukketto@host86-155-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #launchpad [] === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #launchpad === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-229-165.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === mdke__ [n=matt@85-210-234-212.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #launchpad === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-229-165.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #launchpad === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #launchpad === belito [n=user@201.240.16.235] has joined #launchpad === WebMaven [n=webmaven@66.150.172.22] has joined #launchpad