[01:00] <ProN00b> sorry for the troll, but every ubuntu release is crappier than the one before
[01:03] <Mez> hmm... who here uses mutt 
[01:03] <_ion> Morning.
[01:03] <_ion> mez: /me
[01:04] <Mez> _ion: how do I set mutt so it uses local mail, but when sending email, uses my ubuntu.com email address instead of the local email address?>
[01:04] <_ion> set from="foo@bar"
[01:05] <Mez> where?
[01:06] <_ion> Uh, .muttrc
[02:43] <soothsay> !rules
[04:57] <mcrandello> does anyone know offhand how to get the specific version of madwifi drivers that shipped with dapper? or which version to look for off the madwifi site? 
[07:02] <keescook> wow do I love apt-proxy.
[07:02] <ajmitch> hehe
[07:02] <ajmitch> I was just lamenting that it was breaking for me
[07:03] <ajmitch> as it is known to do at times
[07:03] <keescook> yeah, I've had to restart it a few times here and there, but wow are my builds faster now.  :)
[07:03] <ajmitch> yep, it is useful
[07:22] <Seq> If I have an idea for a modification to a package, do I submit that in launchpad as a specification or a bug?
[07:24] <_ion> A bug, probably.
[07:27] <infinity> Seq: If it's going to cause controversy/discussion, it's a spec, if it's going to require real work and planning, it's a spec, if it's a small change that is likely to be accepted without much thought, it's a wishlist bug, if it's a broken behaviour, it's a bug.
[07:27] <infinity> (In the last case, it's a bug that could lead to a spec, if the way to fix it isn't immediately obvious)
[07:28] <jsgotangco> wow that's an excellent one sentence explanation of (almost) all things
[07:28] <Seq> awesome, thanks infinity
[07:30] <desrt> if people ask me how to upgrade to edgy using only the GUI, what do i tell them?
[07:31] <Seq> it is just to split the gaim pixmaps into another package from gaim-data to have replacement icon packages. It may be undesirable, which is why I wasn't sure where to file it.
[07:32] <desrt> goodday
[07:32] <desrt> going to mountainview?
[07:33] <Mez> desrt, I wish ;)
[07:34] <ajmitch> desrt: are you?
[07:34] <desrt> ya
[07:34] <ajmitch> great
[07:35] <desrt> you?
[07:35] <desrt> it'll be nice to see everyone again :)
[07:35] <ajmitch> yes
[07:35] <desrt> i hope daniel silverstone is going to be there
[07:36] <desrt> i haven't talked to that kid in ages
[07:36] <infinity> He doesn't work for us anymore.
[07:36] <desrt> oh.
[07:36] <desrt> that sucks pretty strongly :(
[07:36] <desrt> where is he now?
[07:36] <jsgotangco> nokia?
[07:37] <desrt> that's daniel stone
[07:37] <jsgotangco> ooppss
[07:37] <jsgotangco> sorry
[07:37] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:37] <jsgotangco> he blogged about it before where he is going
[07:37] <infinity> having fun with embedded systems somewhere.  Don't recall.
[07:37] <desrt> 18:55 [homenode]  -!- Kinnison [n=dsilvers@spoo.flarn.net]  has left #canonical [] 
[07:37] <desrt> ah.
[08:31] <fabbione> neuralis: ping?
[09:00] <neuralis> fabbione: what's up?
[09:01] <fabbione> neuralis: hey dude.. just upgraded my ALOM and it's working fine. They also added ssh support.
[09:01] <fabbione> neuralis: you really want to update and rerun setupsc
[09:01] <neuralis> fabbione: i updated the day we spoke, it's working great.
[09:01] <fabbione> oh ok
[09:01] <fabbione> perfect
[09:02] <neuralis> aye. thanks for telling me, though.
[09:02] <fabbione> no problem
[12:44] <mhb_> hi all ... does someone know if GRUB localisation (probably set up during installation) is possible?
[03:14] <Nafallo> hi all
[03:15] <Nafallo> I've just upgraded to feisty. two upgradable packages but no mail to feisty-changes?
[03:16] <infinity> I think feisty-changes still needs to be moderated to whitelist mail from soyuz.
[03:16] <infinity> Just a shot in the dark, I'm not the listadmin.
[03:16] <Nafallo> oki :-)
[03:16] <Nafallo> just wondering
[03:16] <infinity> No point in "upgrading", mind you.
[03:16] <infinity> It'll take us a few days to get the toolchain bootstrapped before anything interesting happens.
[03:16] <jono> are people getting a font hinting problem in firefox and openoffice.org in edgy?
[03:16] <Nafallo> yea, but now I wont forget it later :-)
[04:01] <azeem> hi Barry
[04:02] <bddebian> Howdy ;-)
[04:22] <gnomefreak> does any release of debian use dash for default?
[04:30] <mark> hmm either the korean mirror is not very stable or yahoo's network has issues
[04:39] <sladen> gnomefreak: edgy
[04:39] <gnomefreak> sladen: debian didnt release edgy ubuntu did
[04:39] <fabbione> gnomefreak: none
[04:40] <gnomefreak> fabbione: just edgy
[04:40] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought
[04:40] <fabbione> gnomefreak: you asked "Debian" that means none
[04:40] <fabbione> i know about edgy
[04:40] <gnomefreak> trying to get frostwire fixed for edgy without having users do it
[04:41] <gnomefreak> so i emailed them and i will send them the fixes if they need them after i look at it
[04:45] <Fade> frostwire looks like a nice app.
[04:45] <Fade> argh. it's javaware. :(
[04:47] <gnomefreak> is there anything stopping us from putting it in the repos either uni or multi.
[04:48] <gnomefreak> Fade: limewire and frostwire are both javaware. i think amule and nicotine are not
[04:49] <Fade> I wonder if it compiles with gcj
[04:49] <gnomefreak> Fade: no not that ive seen
[04:49] <Fade> *nod*
[04:49] <gnomefreak> or someone hasnt tried it
[04:52] <gnomefreak> i can try that this week sometime but my packaging knownledge is slim i guess just changing depends in control to gcj and trying ti should tell us
[06:14] <Lathiat> hrm whats the time period on LTS releases
[06:15] <Lathiat> hrm nm 2 years
[06:15] <Nafallo> Lathiat: I'm not sure there is a time-period for them, are there?
[06:16] <xhaker> well.. it's a pitti i didn't find pitti here =)
[06:16] <Nafallo> it's weekend ;-)
[06:17] <Nafallo> and not any weekend. weekend after release :-P
[06:17] <xhaker> heh
[06:18] <xhaker> just filed a bug and wanted to confront pitti with his discrimination against European portugues people. haha
[06:18] <Nafallo> :-P
[06:18] <xhaker> portuguese*
[06:19] <xhaker> Nafallo, do you happen to know if Feature freeze = no new packages ?
[06:20] <Nafallo> it's not
[06:20] <xhaker> well.. dumb question i know.. but what i really want to know.. is if now that edgy was released can new packages be uploaded?
[06:21] <Nafallo> for feisty, and after the toolchain is bootstrapped, yes :-)
[06:21] <xhaker> uploaded to edgy i mean
[06:21] <xhaker> :(
[06:21] <Nafallo> I find it hard to imagine. infinity? :-)
[06:22] <xhaker> pitti must have forgot about myspell-pt-pt it's not in the repositories
[06:22] <xhaker> i forgot about it.. i should have filed a bug earlier
[06:23] <xhaker> haha
[06:24] <Nafallo> how nice.
[06:26] <Lathiat> Nafallo: well ir ead somewhere theyre coing out eveyr 2 years
[06:26] <Lathiat> Nafallo: which would make sens gtiven you need migration time before the 3 year desktop support runs out
[06:27] <Nafallo> yea, makes good sence :-)
[06:27] <Nafallo> 3 normal, 1 super, 3 normal, 1 super... :-)
[06:44] <illovae> hello :)
[06:46] <illovae> infinity: hello are you available for a question please ? (sorry for my english but it is not my native langage)
[06:48] <eric__> The Edgy repositories seem to be going really slow for me (10-20 k/s) as I'm trying to upgrade to Edgy. Is this happening for everyone?
[06:55] <infinity> illovae: You're in luck, I'm awake, even though it's 4am on a Sunday morning. :P
[06:56] <illovae> erf oups sorry
[06:56] <illovae> oh i see on launchpad you are living in australia > i'm really sorry
[06:56] <illovae> i can wait for my question...
[06:56] <infinity> Don't apologise, I wouldn't answer if I wasn't around. :)
[06:56] <infinity> What's up?
[06:58] <infinity> illovae: ?
[06:59] <jdub> heh
[06:59] <illovae> infinity: yes sorry i'm here
[06:59] <illovae> so my question
[06:59] <illovae> :)
[06:59] <illovae> i love the game doom and i discover the release doomlegacy on multiverse
[07:00] <infinity> jdub: What the heck are you doing awake at this hour?  I thought I was the token insomniac.
[07:00] <illovae> i'm running edgy on a powerpc
[07:00] <illovae> and i tried to pbuild your deb-sources of it for ppc
[07:00] <MrKeuner> I would like to thank the Ubuntu and Debian communities for such a good release. I am impressed with it a lot. I did one Upgrade and one clean install and everything went perfect. Keep up the excellent work guys. thanks again!
[07:00] <illovae> but i have some problem
[07:01] <illovae> so my question is : is it possible to compile a deb with pbuilder of your deb-sources of doomlegacy
[07:01] <infinity> illovae: I'm pretty sure I have nothing to do with doomlegacy. :)
[07:01] <illovae> ?
[07:01] <infinity> It's entirely possible that I was the last person to upload it...
[07:02] <illovae> infinity: are you adam conrad ? > that is the name in the changelog
[07:02] <infinity> doomlegacy (1.41release-2ubuntu1) breezy; urgency=low
[07:02] <infinity>   * Adjust {build-,}depends for the xorg -> mesa GL/GLU transition.
[07:02] <infinity>  -- Adam Conrad <adconrad@ubuntu.com>  Wed, 31 Aug 2005 01:52:10 +1000
[07:02] <infinity> Yup, that would be me.
[07:02] <illovae> lol :)
[07:02] <infinity> I know nothing of the source package at all, except for that one fix. :)
[07:02] <illovae> arf ok...
[07:02] <infinity> (I tend to fix a lot of things in the archive)
[07:03] <Toadstool> illovae: as I told you on #ubuntu-fr, there is i386 asm in the source code. this is why the Debian maintainer used Arch: i386
[07:03] <Toadstool> (hi here by the way)
[07:03] <illovae> Toadstool: yes but i changed it for the nasm for ppc :)
[07:03] <infinity> doomlegacy isn't really maintained in Ubuntu and, as it turns out, it's not really maintained in Debian either (it's orphaned, maintained by the QA group)
[07:03] <illovae> Toadstool: i made all the appropriate changes for using it on ppc > but it appears there is a problem with sdl
[07:03] <Toadstool> illovae: that won't help, registers, instructions, etc are different
[07:04] <illovae> infinity: arf ok
[07:04] <illovae> Toadstool: yes i think you are right
[07:04] <illovae> ok so
[07:04] <illovae> infinity: thanks for the help
[07:05] <illovae> and i'm sorry for disturbing you
[07:06] <illovae> Toadstool: thanks too :) i will try to check how is it possible to use doomlegacy on powerpc > i checked the official website and there is a release for mac os X > so it might be possible :)
[07:12] <Nafallo> infinity: meep :-)
[07:14] <infinity> Nafallo: Err, we'll autosync sometime next week.
[07:14] <Nafallo> infinity: not things with changes that can be dropped :-)
[07:14] <infinity> Nafallo: You can certainly start gathering up sync-with-overwrite requests, though (for modified packages that should be synced)
[07:14] <infinity> Nafallo: Queue 'em up, sure.
[07:15] <Nafallo> goodie! :-)
[07:19] <Toadstool> great! let's get started then :)
[07:29] <Nafallo> hmm
[07:30] <Nafallo> I got a 404 from the changelog page. I shouln't send this bug then ;-)
[07:46] <rgl> hi
[07:55] <ArrenLex> Is it just me or is there a bug in apt which makes the -t switch unusable since edgy?
[07:59] <AstralJava> I see a -t switch only in aptitude.
[07:59] <ArrenLex> It used to exist in apt-get; I've used it many times.
[07:59] <AstralJava> apt-get --help shows no such thing.
[08:00] <ArrenLex> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
[08:00] <ArrenLex> 3.8
[08:00] <ArrenLex> First command listed.
[08:00] <_ion> If i want a package from another distro (or version of one), i usually build it from the source.
[08:00] <ArrenLex> I've done it exactly that way and all has been fine.
[08:00] <ArrenLex> I guess the functionality has been removed or something?
[08:00] <ArrenLex> If so, why?
[08:03] <AstralJava> jaska@jjod600n:~$ apt-get --version
[08:03] <AstralJava> apt 0.6.45ubuntu14 for linux i386 compiled on Sep 27 2006 23:43:26
[08:03] <AstralJava> ^^ in Edgy.
[08:03] <ArrenLex> Yes, I have the same, in Edgy.
[08:04] <ArrenLex> apt-get --version
[08:04] <ArrenLex> apt 0.6.43.3ubuntu2 for linux i386 compiled on Apr 18 2006 19:46:38 <--- in dapper. This one worked.
[08:04] <ArrenLex> Oh, hold on. That one doesn't work either...
[08:05] <ArrenLex> Bah. It was taken out a while ago, then.
[08:15] <Nafallo> infinity: if I upload stuff to feisty, do they stick in a queue then? :-)
[08:18] <infinity> Nafallo: Yes, it'll end up in the unapproved queue.  I may prefer if you don't just yet, though, so I don't have to wade through the queue while we're bootstrapping.
[08:18] <Nafallo> infinity: alright. I'll just keep things dputable then :-)
[08:32] <cjwatson> Lathiat: there's no set interval between LTS releases. When we asked Mark at the last distro team meeting, he said that the next one would simply be whenever the time felt right to support what we currently had for 3/5 years.
[08:46] <Lathiat> cjwatson: ah ok
[08:46] <Lathiat> cjwatson: i guess it would make sense tho to release before the 3 years is up.. 
[08:47] <Lathiat> arguably
[08:48] <Nafallo> hmm, I should merge pbuilder ;-)
[08:48] <Nafallo> I hope they've fixed the 100% at satisfy-depends bug...
[08:48] <mycroes_lappy> Hi all, can you guys tell me what's the best way to get nvidia drivers for my custom kernel?
[08:50] <mycroes_lappy> don't tell me you guys never ran a custom kernel
[08:51] <mycroes_lappy> :P
[08:51] <Nafallo> mycroes_lappy: I newer ran a custom kernel on Ubuntu
[08:51] <mycroes_lappy> are you an ubuntu dev?
[08:51] <Nafallo> s/w/v/
[08:51] <Nafallo> :-)
[08:51] <Nafallo> MOTU
[08:51] <mycroes_lappy> ?
[08:52] <Nafallo> universe maintainer
[08:52] <mycroes_lappy> ok
[08:52] <mycroes_lappy> nice
[08:52] <mycroes_lappy> I'm a long time gentoo user
[08:52] <mycroes_lappy> but I'm using mostly gnome apps
[08:52] <tritium> mycroes_lappy: #ubuntu is the support channel where your questions should be asked
[08:52] <mycroes_lappy> and recently I used i686-pc-linux-gnu and almost no optimizations
[08:53] <mycroes_lappy> tritium, I know, but the problem is there's noone there able to answer my questions
[08:53] <mycroes_lappy> of over 1000 users noone ever compiled a custom kernel ;)
[08:53] <tritium> mycroes_lappy: sure there are
[08:54] <mycroes_lappy> tritium, currently, I'm just asking questions in here, but I think I might be able to give back soon...
[08:54] <tritium> mycroes_lappy: some have
[08:54] <mycroes_lappy> tritium, I tried twice but no reaction at all
[08:54] <mycroes_lappy> friend of mine who used ubuntu for a while said I might be better off asking this kind of questions in -dev
[08:55] <Nafallo> mycroes_lappy: he was wrong :-)
[08:55] <mycroes_lappy> lol
[09:06] <ajmitch> morning
[09:06] <jdong> -EWRONGTIMEZONE
[09:19] <Chipzz> mycroes_lappy: the wiki has all kinds of information about compiling kernels
[09:20] <mycroes_lappy> Chipzz, yeah, but it's all so much that it became hard to find stuff
[09:20] <mycroes_lappy> Chipzz, I did learn a bit already though
[09:21] <Chipzz> mycroes_lappy: there are basically 2 ways
[09:21] <Chipzz> either use kernel-package (make-kpkg)
[09:21] <mycroes_lappy> Chipzz, hold
[09:21] <mycroes_lappy> Chipzz, the kernel was not the problem :P
[09:21] <Chipzz> or recompile linux-image
[09:21] <mycroes_lappy> Chipzz, I needed nvidia drivers for a custom kernel
[09:27] <ispiked> iwj: ping
[09:35] <Xoritor> can one of you guys pull a packages from debian-unstable?
[09:36] <Xoritor> fvwm was updated to 2.5.18 but ubuntu edgy still has 2.5.16 (for that matter what happened to .17?)
[09:36] <Xoritor> or am i going to have to compile it all from sources?
[09:36] <Nafallo> Xoritor: edgy is released as Ubuntu 6.10
[09:36] <Xoritor> right... 
[09:37] <Xoritor> so are you saying no "upgrades" ?
[09:37] <Nafallo> only security or "my god the package ate my harddrive and mother"
[09:37] <Xoritor> ok so your telling me no right?
[09:37] <Nafallo> right
[09:38] <Xoritor> then can you enlighten me on why .17 was not pulled at the least?
[09:39] <Nafallo> we where probably in the freeze already.
[09:39] <Yagisan_> Nafallo, nice description
[09:40] <Nafallo> Yagisan_: :-P
[09:40] <Nafallo> Yagisan_: it's true ;-)
[09:40] <Xoritor> ok thx
[09:40] <Yagisan_> Nafallo, apparently I did a "my god" moment a day or two ago
[09:41] <Nafallo> Yagisan_: oh?
[09:41] <Nafallo> Yagisan_: some package ate your mother? :-)
[09:41] <Yagisan_> Nafallo, I forgot to remove a testbuild from my private repo queue before syncing
[09:41] <Nafallo> hehe
[09:41] <Nafallo> oops :-P
[09:42] <Yagisan_> Nafallo, I have received some 57 and counting bug reports via email, and my xchat won't stop flashing
[09:42] <Nafallo> hehe, popular repo :-)
[09:42] <Yagisan_> Nafallo, and as it is an "unreleased" package of some upstream source, they will be rather unhappy with me when they find out
[09:43] <Nafallo> ouch :-/
[09:43] <Yagisan_> Nafallo, yep :'( I need to explain why I release before schedule. I'll blame it on the excesses of my birthday on the 27th
[09:44] <Yagisan_> Nafallo, oh - and it pumps garbage out the speakers - thats the bug
[09:44] <Nafallo> Yagisan_: happy post-birthday :-)
[09:44] <Nafallo> haha
[09:45] <Yagisan_> Nafallo, if you have a brown paper bag, could I borrow it
[09:45] <Nafallo> I think you can have it ;-)
[09:46] <Yagisan_> Nafallo, it fits perfectly
[09:47] <Nafallo> :-P
[09:51] <Yagisan_> Nafallo, 58 emails ... and I just pushed out an update. I need some sleep now.
[09:51] <Nafallo> Yagisan_: gnight :-)
[11:54] <mrmojo> why does ubuntu default to 12hr clock :-/
[11:57] <ispiked> mrmojo: because most normal people in the USA use 12-hour format? :P
[11:58] <mrmojo> well i chose UK and i'm still getting this silly format
[11:58] <mrmojo> XP & OSX know to use 24hr clock when the user selects UK
[11:58] <mrmojo> as their locale
[11:58] <ispiked> mrmojo: file a bug?
[11:59] <mrmojo> will do
[12:01] <_ion> The 12 hour format would be just fine and dandy if it weren't so totally bereft of logic. :-) First AM goes from 12 to 1 to 11, then PM goes from 12 to 1 to 11. GOTO 10.
[12:01] <_ion> 0..11 would be just fine.
[12:02] <mrmojo> lol it always makes me laugh when americans use 12hr formats for planes and train times
[12:02] <zyga> _ion: that mearly proves that GOTO IS EVIL
[12:02] <zyga> :>
[12:02] <mrmojo> but americans love making life hard for themselves then wonder why all their companies outsource :D
[12:03] <_ion> Oh well, at least they use seconds, minutes and hours.
[12:03] <Burgundavia> mrmojo: please leave your prejudices at the door
[12:03] <mrmojo> calm down
[12:03] <zyga> (someone might not make comments about the metric system and british currency logic)
[12:04] <mrmojo> the US still uses 'british currency logic' in some financial markets
[12:04] <mrmojo> and it was only 1999 when they dropped it for stock pricing
[12:04] <Burgundavia> mrmojo: I am calm. I am merely asking you to leave your prejudices at the door
[12:04] <mrmojo> well, not british currency logic, but something nearly as silly
[12:05] <zyga> while we're at it let's bash 8.3 filesystems and call it a day, it's getting late for some of us already (yawn)