[12:12] <Lutin_> I am creating a package with cdbs which provides a sharedlib. what is the correct way to install the shlib file ?
[12:14] <sistpoty> Lutin_: sorry, dunno that much about cdbs... is it a library you build? or is the shared lib only used by s.th. from the same sourcepackage?
[12:14] <Lutin_> sistpoty, a shared libery I build
[12:15] <Lutin_> library*
[12:15] <sistpoty> Lutin_: did you check the debian library packaging guide yet? (very useful for info's about library packaging, though it doesn't mention anything about cdbs)
[12:16] <Lutin_> sistpoty: checked it, bus as you said it's all about debhalper
[12:16] <sistpoty> Lutin_: sorry, haven't ever tried to build a shared lib with cdbs myself, so I cannot help you there
[12:17] <Lutin_> sistpoty, ok
[12:17] <azeem> Lutin_: you need to provide debian/<package>.shlibs or something
[12:18] <Lutin_> azeem: yeah. the point is that I don't know how to install it
[12:18] <azeem> CDBS will call dh_makeshlib or whatever it is called, which will take care of it
[12:19] <Lutin_> azeem: so the only thing I have to do is create the shlibs file ?
[12:19] <azeem> that's what I was saying
[12:19] <azeem> I could be wrong though
[12:20] <sistpoty> azeem: iirc you shouldn't need to create an shlibs file yourself, rather use dh_makeshlibs instead (but I could be wrong as well)
[12:21] <azeem> sistpoty: that will set shlibs to the current version, which is probably not what you want if the library itself didn't change
[12:22] <Lutin_> gasp. crashes :/
[12:22] <sistpoty> azeem: doesn't it set the shlibs to the current soname?
[12:23] <azeem> no, the shlibs is set to something which maps to a Ubuntu version number
[12:23] <azeem> at least, AFAIK
[12:23] <azeem> so you get Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-1) e.g. if you compile a package against that lib, instead of the latest version of libc6
[12:24] <azeem> if you don't maintain the shlibs file yourself (i.e. you have none), package using your library will always claim they need the latest version of your library
[12:24] <azeem> well, latest version at the time they were built
[12:24] <azeem> somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please
[12:26] <azeem> sistpoty: oh, the soname version is also in .shlibs, right
[12:26] <sistpoty> azeem: ok... just wanted to write that my understanding was that -V does what you just wrote... *g*
[12:27] <sistpoty> but I must admit that I haven't played with libraries for some time now ;)
[12:28] <azeem> sistpoty: ah, I was wrong :)
[12:28] <azeem> by default, you don't get version depends at all it seems
[12:29] <sistpoty> you also shouldn't need them, due to package-name containes soname, right?
[12:29] <sistpoty> (if upstream properly knows about soname *g*)
[12:29] <azeem> soname only encodes backwards-incompatible changes
[12:29] <azeem> not additions of interfaces
[12:30] <Lutin_> azeem: I think shlibs files are used to specify versionned deps on the shared libs, but might be wrong
[12:30] <azeem> Lutin_: optionally, yes
[12:30] <sistpoty> azeem: ah... right, thx
[12:30] <azeem> sistpoty: so if your library adds interfaces, you should bump shlibs
[12:32] <Lutin_> sistpoty,azeem, thanks a lot. gotta go to sleep now :)
[12:32] <sistpoty> gn8 Lutin_
[12:32] <Lutin_> thx
[12:32] <Lutin_> good evening
[12:32] <Lutin_> or whatever other moment of the day it is for you
[12:33] <Lutin_> ^^
[12:33] <Lutin_> bye
[01:16] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[01:38] <LaserJock> hi everybody
[01:41] <luisbg> hey LaserJock
[01:41] <ajmitch> hi LaserJock
[01:42] <luisbg> how is the time with your inlaws=
[01:42] <luisbg> ?
[01:42] <LaserJock> good
[01:42] <LaserJock> went to a Chinese buffet and did some shopping
[01:42] <LaserJock> just got home
[01:43] <luisbg> chop suey?
[01:43] <LaserJock> all kinds of good stuff
[01:43] <LaserJock> even had pizza, go figure
[01:44] <luisbg> pizza in a chinese buffet?
[01:44] <LaserJock> yes, it is the USA after all
[01:44] <LaserJock> they had french fries too
[01:45] <luisbg> weird
[01:45] <luisbg> here in spain they only have chinese food
[01:45] <luisbg> well... what we know as chinese food
[01:46] <luisbg> you know chinese people really don't eat that, it's like occidentalized chinese food
[01:47] <Fujitsu> Nice blog post, LaserJock.
[01:47] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: heh, I wondered if anybody saw it
[01:47] <Fujitsu> It's on Planet, so of course :)
[01:47] <LaserJock> I was kinda tired last night and was thinking of how to do a "Good work people" post
[01:48] <luisbg> what's the url?
[01:48] <LaserJock> planet.ubuntu.com ;-)
[01:48] <Fujitsu> planet.ubuntu.com, second from the top.
[01:48] <luisbg> LaserJock, I have been contributing
[01:49] <LaserJock> luisbg: excellent
[01:51] <luisbg> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/subterfugue/+bug/65322
[01:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65322 in subterfugue "[UNMETDEPS]  subterfugue has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,In progress] 
[01:51] <luisbg> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/zope-plonecollectorng/+bug/47663
[01:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47663 in zope-plonecollectorng "[UNMETDEPS]  dependency missing" [Medium,Unconfirmed] 
[01:51] <luisbg> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnuradio-examples/+bug/65315
[01:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65315 in gnuradio-examples "[UNMETDEPS]  gnuradio-examples has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:52] <luisbg> LaserJock, but it seams that you people made such a terrific job to bring out edgy
[01:52] <luisbg> that all the bugs in the list are "not easy" to fix :S
[01:52] <luisbg> LOL
[01:52] <ajmitch> luisbg: the debdiff for zope-plonecollectorng doesn't have the change that you say it does
[01:52] <ajmitch> http://librarian.launchpad.net/4938178/debdiff_zope-plonecollectorng
[01:53] <ajmitch> where's the change to debian/control?
[01:53] <ajmitch> also.. +zope-plonecollectorng (1.2.9-2) unstable; urgency=low
[01:53] <ajmitch> it must be 1.2.9-1ubuntu1
[01:53] <ajmitch> and 'feisty' now, not unstable
[01:54] <luisbg> ajmitch, sorry
[01:54] <luisbg> I'm a newbie you know
[01:54] <ajmitch> don't apologise, just fix it :)
[01:54] <luisbg> LOL
[01:55] <luisbg> will do!
[01:55] <luisbg> actually... doing so
[01:58] <ajmitch> luisbg: once it's fixed & the new debdiff is attached, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[02:04] <LaserJock> I'll have to do a more serious blog post today
[02:07] <luisbg> LaserJock, =)
[02:08] <luisbg> ajmitch, fixed the debdiff
[02:08] <luisbg> what do you mean with "subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors"?
[02:08] <ajmitch> on the left, 'subscribe someone else'
[02:08] <ajmitch> so that it gets on the list of stuff for us to check & upload
[02:09] <luisbg> subscribed =)
[02:10] <luisbg> should I do that to the other bug I fixed last night too?
[02:10] <ajmitch> yes, all bugs with debdiffs that you have ready
[02:10] <luisbg> cool
[02:11] <luisbg> how does the karma thing work in launchpad?
[02:12] <LaserJock> you do things and you get karma points :-)
[02:14] <StevenK> Well, some things.
[02:17] <luisbg> what kind of things?
[02:18] <Fujitsu> Modifying bugs/specs/tickets..
[02:18] <LaserJock> bug work, translations, specifications
[02:18] <Fujitsu> Oh, and translations too.
[02:19] <LaserJock> pretty much everything but uploading :/
[02:19] <luisbg> LOL
[02:19] <Fujitsu> Yeah, everything except the really important thing :|
[02:19] <luisbg> but somebody has to approve the bug modification to be validated as karma points?
[02:19] <Fujitsu> No, you get them regardless.
[02:20] <luisbg> so my commenting, assigning bugs to me, attaching debdiffs... isn't considered bug work?
[02:20] <Plug> edgy uses python-2.4?
[02:20] <luisbg> Plug, yes
[02:21] <Plug> so packages should depend on python2.4-mysql rather than python-mysql, f.ex?
[02:21] <luisbg> Plug, not really sure about the new python policy
[02:21] <luisbg> but I would think yes, but don't take my word for it
[02:21] <LaserJock> Plug: no, I don't think they should depend on 2.4
[02:22] <Fujitsu> luisbg: It does count, yes... Only after about 24 hours though.
[02:22] <Fujitsu> Plug: No, leave the 2.4 out. You might want to check the Python Policy.
[02:22] <Plug> I'm just confused, as after upgrading I've ended up with a bunch of python-X packages that I dont know if I need
[02:22] <Plug> and I'm not sure where they came from :)
[02:23] <luisbg> oops... sorry for the wrong comment
[02:23] <LaserJock> we got rid of python2.X packages for Edgy
[02:23] <luisbg> well... goodnight all, going to bed
[02:23] <LaserJock> cya luisbg
[02:23] <luisbg> ciao! enjoy
[02:24] <luisbg> thanks for all LaserJock, have a nice one
[02:24] <StevenK> LaserJock: So did Debian, which was nice.
[02:25] <Plug> LaserJock: so python2.x-foo can all be removed?
[02:25] <LaserJock> yes
[02:25] <LaserJock> at least that's the idea
[02:25] <LaserJock> I don't know that it's 100%
[02:25] <Plug> right, I had it back to front :)
[02:47] <ajmitch> hi Plug
[02:51] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[02:56] <ajmitch> hi again LaserJock
[02:56] <LaserJock> did you work on the SRU stuff yet?
[02:57] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock, ajmitch
[02:57] <LaserJock> bddebian!
[03:03] <Fujitsu> No hiding! Fix Feisty! It's all up to you.
[03:03] <ajmitch> nah, bddebian is here
[03:04] <TheMuso> Where's Hobbsee when you need her? :)
[03:06] <bddebian> I'm out of anything until probably the 1st of the year :'-(
[03:08] <DarkMageZ> anyone know how i'd go about converting a .ico file to .png via cli?
[03:19] <LaserJock> DarkMageZ: will convert do it?
[03:19] <DarkMageZ> ah, i'll give that a try
[03:22] <DarkMageZ> LaserJock, which package is that in? i tried searching for convert, but nothing obvious
[03:23] <LaserJock> imagemagick
[03:23] <LaserJock> or some variation of spelling therof
[03:23] <DarkMageZ> ah, thanks =D
[03:25] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee!
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu!
[03:27] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!!!
[03:28] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!!!
[03:28] <bhale> Hobbsee!!!!!!!!!!111!
[03:28] <Burgundavia> hey Hobbsee
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hey bhale!  hey Burgundavia!
[03:29] <Hobbsee> (tm)
[03:29] <LaserJock> darn, I was going to add that to my blog post too
[03:30] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: add what?
[03:30] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: you ;-)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: oh.  you'd be the third person to do that in a few days, if you did :P
[03:32] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: feel free to :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: if you do, do make sure you say something nice about me, or something that i can laugh at :P
[03:35] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I might actually start up a blog
[03:35] <ajmitch> LaserJock: aw, I didn't get a pony..
[03:35] <bhale> and his funny ponies
[03:36] <Hobbsee> but that doesn mean i do need a hackergotchi, though
[03:36] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: that's ok, we can make one for you
[03:36] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it had better be a good one.
[03:36] <LaserJock> ajmitch: sorry, I couldn't give everyone a pony, I need to save some for next time
[03:36] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: not one that makes it look like my head's been smashed in or something
[03:36] <bhale> Hobbsee needs a hackergotchi
[03:36] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: It won't make it look like it has been, it WILL have been!
[03:37] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ok, maybe for feisty+5 I can get one :)
[03:37] <Fujitsu> Say cheese!
[03:37] <crimsun> you're all celebrities!
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: hah
[03:37] <LaserJock> crimsun was the inspiration for the Golden Pony Awards
[03:37] <ajmitch> crimsun: we're all special!
[03:37] <crimsun> speaking of which, where is that blasted pony...
[03:37] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:37] <ajmitch> calm down
[03:38] <Hobbsee> thanks!
[03:39] <Fujitsu> *off
[03:39] <Fujitsu> `Did evil nasty Hobbsee hurt you?'
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hahahaha @ LaserJock
[03:40] <bhale> where is my pony, anyway
[03:41] <bhale> it was my idea to put a pony on fridge in the first place
[03:43] <bhale> but daddy I want a pony NOW
[03:44] <Hobbsee> you know, there'd be only one problem with me having a blog on planet
[03:44] <ajmitch> what problem is that?
[03:44] <Toadstool> 'evening everybody
[03:44] <Hobbsee> i'd just be silly in it, like i am on irc, i expect ;P
[03:45] <Toadstool> uhuh
[03:47] <Toadstool> Hobbsee: this is a brand new pointy stick you bought for feisty or this is the same as usual with a "of DOOM!!! (tm)" upgrade? :p
[03:47] <bhale> its a sligtly different shade of brown as the last version
[03:48] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: http://laserjock.us/blog
[03:48] <ajmitch> LaserJock: haha
[03:48] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[03:49] <Toadstool> :D
[03:55] <bhale> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:55] <bhale> sob.
[03:55] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:56] <LaserJock> I haven't even done a apt-get update
[03:57] <ajmitch> bhale: you'll get toys to play with soon
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: the full name is the Long Pointy Stick of Doom (tm)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: has been for a long time.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: ROFL!!!!!
[04:01] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:03] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: your tantrum achieved much ;)
[04:04] <LaserJock> well, I *was* planning on giving her an award, but forgot
[04:04] <ajmitch> hm
[04:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68708 in tintin++ "Please sync tintin++ (main) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68708
[04:05] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: indeed!
[04:05] <ajmitch> "let's sync a new upstream release into main after edgy is released"
[04:05] <Hobbsee> i saw someone else request that too
[04:06] <Hobbsee> obviously, they're thinking that they need to put the crack pipe down.
[04:06] <LaserJock> ajmitch: she narrowly beat out Jane Silber's work on "GI Jane" ;-)
[04:07] <ajmitch> hehe
[04:08] <LaserJock> notice I didn't get a Pony :(
[04:09] <zul> ajmitch: fix ldap
[04:09] <ajmitch> zul: ldap works great
[04:09] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's because you're modest
[04:09] <ajmitch> zul: fix xen
[04:09] <zul> ajmitch: hah..
[04:09] <lophyte> xen works fine except for networking :P
[04:09] <zul> touche
[04:10] <LaserJock> I hope Mr. Klose is ok with his award
[04:10] <ajmitch> heh
[04:11] <LaserJock> you never know how things get interpreted
[04:11] <LaserJock> but I tried to do it in good humor
[04:11] <Toadstool> sure! here is your "Most annoying buildd DoS-er" award ;)
[04:12] <LaserJock> heh, I get to be the janitor
[04:12] <TheMuso> heh
[04:13] <LaserJock> Mez: yes, next time I'm going to spread it around better, maybe take nominations
[04:13] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: It also turns out that tintin++ is actually in universe :P
[04:13] <LaserJock> this was a spur of the moment thing
[04:13] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Don't bother. Let a kubuntu person do that.
[04:13] <TheMuso> Just worry about Ubuntu. :)
[04:14] <LaserJock> well, I'm not Ubuntu specific I don't think
[04:15] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: either way, it deserved rejection
[04:15] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Of course. But the incorrect component just added to the stupidity of the bug.
[04:15] <ajmitch> it doesn't even require a merge for feisty, just autosync
[04:16] <LaserJock> man I find CVS annoying :/
[04:18] <LaserJock> it seems to be way too verbose
[04:18] <ajmitch> we all do
[04:23] <DarkMageZ> svn is better, tho that doesn't fix your verbose problem :P
[04:23] <LaserJock> it does actually
[04:24] <LaserJock> cvs status is ridiculous
[04:24] <LaserJock> svn status is much easier to look at
[04:28] <LaserJock> I guess cvs status | grep Status works
[04:31] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: What project are you looking at that uses such a deranged VCS?
[04:31] <LaserJock> a gnome project
[04:31] <LaserJock> of course
[04:32] <LaserJock> although it's not in gnome proper
[04:32] <LaserJock> so I'm not sure if they are going to move to svn
[04:33] <[jb] > can someone send me the edgy original wallpaper?
[04:39] <theCore> LaserJock, GNOME tried to move to SVN, but they had problems during the migrate. So, they abandoned the idea
[04:39] <LaserJock> yeah, I tried their svn and then the next day they ditched it :/
[04:41] <theCore> http://svn.gnome.org/
[04:41] <theCore> yeah it's dead
[04:43] <theCore> hmm maybe not
[04:43] <theCore> http://svn-test.gnome.org/migration/status-all.xml
[04:43] <LaserJock> but this project isn't in gnome proper so it wouldn't have been in Gnome svn anyway
[04:45] <theCore> cool, they wrote their cvs2svn in Python
[04:45] <theCore> http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/svn-migration/bin/svn-migration.py?rev=1.15&view=markup
[05:13] <imbrandon> bwhahahah "The Beauty and the KDELibs"  classic LaserJock, thats such a cool post
[05:13] <imbrandon> moins all
[05:13] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon
[05:13] <imbrandon> :)
[05:14] <LaserJock> it was a lot of fun
[05:14] <imbrandon> golden ponie awards, that rocks man, brought a smile to my face just as i wake up, hehehehe i bet
[05:14] <LaserJock> kinda trying to have a little fun
[05:14] <imbrandon> some of those movie names are classic
[05:14] <imbrandon> yea
[05:14] <LaserJock> for dapper I got really blue after the release
[05:15] <LaserJock> so I thought I'd have more fun with this one
[05:15] <imbrandon> why? releases are supose to be fun times
[05:15] <imbrandon> well /less/ stressfull == fun :)
[05:15] <Mez> LaserJock, I thought it went orange in the dapper release ? :P
[05:15] <LaserJock> heh
[05:15] <imbrandon> heya Mez
[05:16] <Mez> hey imbrandon
[05:16] <Mez> ooh
[05:16] <imbrandon> crimsun got the bets award imho
[05:16] <crimsun> ..?
[05:16] <imbrandon> best*
[05:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:17] <imbrandon> crimsun, did you read LaserJocks post ?
[05:17] <crimsun> no?
[05:18] <imbrandon> heheh quote from LaserJock golden ponie awards : Release-long Achievement Award: crimsun (aka Daniel Chen) for his tireless work for the Ubuntu community, photographic URL memory, endless support for Universe maintainers and contributors, helping us hear Ubuntu, wikipedia-like knowledge, and being a generally swell guy. His most important works include While You Were SleepingI Fixed Universe, Flash, Changing
[05:18] <imbrandon> Universe, and The Sound of Music: ALSA and You
[05:18] <imbrandon> wow got cut off
[05:18] <imbrandon> crimsun, http://laserjock.us/blog/?p=6
[05:19] <crimsun> that award is better appropriated to bddebian.
[05:19] <ajmitch> nah, you definitely deserve it
[05:20] <imbrandon> definitely
[05:21] <LaserJock> well, I was going to give a  "Best portrayal as a Diety" award, but didn't know if bddebian would go for it ;-)
[05:21] <bddebian> heh
[05:22] <imbrandon> Dude wheres my Xorg, lol , man i'm gonna be laughing aobut some of these for days
[05:22] <LaserJock> but I've got to save some for next time
[05:22] <ajmitch> LaserJock: add it!
[05:25] <ajmitch> imbrandon: dude, got beryl packages?
[05:25] <imbrandon> oh snaz , no i forgot, i'll grab tem now
[05:26] <imbrandon> LaserJock, http://little-shoppe.com/images/goldponycoltad.gif
[05:26] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:26] <imbrandon> man koffice has been compiling since i went to sleep last night
[05:31] <LaserJock> ajmitch: although Barry's performance in "The Passion of the MOTU" was good, I think next release's work might be even better ;-)
[05:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it doesnt like you
[05:32] <imbrandon> ye the processes is still running, but i think its stalled or something
[05:33] <bddebian> Somehow I think I'm being mocked again :-)
[05:33] <imbrandon> bddebian, nah
[05:34] <crimsun> nope. You, William, and Michael did a heck of a job.
[05:38] <minghua> hi, I need some help on switching to a non en_us X keyboard, while using a US keyboard
[05:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch, compiling now, give me ~30 minutes
[05:39] <minghua> there is a bug seems only reproducible in non en-us x keyboard setting
[05:39] <Fujitsu> crimsun: By Michael you mean geser?
[05:39] <crimsun> Fujitsu: yes.
[05:40] <Fujitsu> crimsun: He has really done an enormous amount.
[05:41] <crimsun> yep, you guys certainly kept my mouse buttons in working order
[05:43] <minghua> okay, let me try de keyboard layout...
[05:43] <LaserJock> maybe some day I'll get an award
[05:44] <crimsun> minghua: I've normally used setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout CC
[05:44] <minghua> crimsun: oh, I only know "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[05:44] <minghua> crimsun: so is setxkbmap effective immediately?
[05:44] <crimsun> minghua: yep
[05:45] <crimsun> granted I stole all the parameters from a KDE session =)
[05:45] <minghua_> crimsun: thanks
[05:45] <crimsun> np
[05:45] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: mwuahaha
[05:46] <Fujitsu> `Dude, where's my Xorg?' is just great.
[05:46] <LaserJock> yeah, that's the first one I thought of
[05:47] <minghua> LaserJock: yeah, I like your blog post too (although I am sure I didn't get all of them)
[05:48] <LaserJock> yeah, I haven't even seen half the movies I played off of
[05:48] <LaserJock> but I think they are all based on actual movies
[05:48] <Fujitsu> Python Policy on a Plane, ey?
[05:48] <Fujitsu> I guess it does bite and be generally nasty :P
[05:49] <Fujitsu> minghua: Z and Y are swapped.
[05:50] <minghua> Fujitsu: indeed.  thanks
[05:50] <Fujitsu> Good old QWERTZ layout.
[05:55] <minghua> Hmm, still can't reproduce this damn bug
[05:57] <FunnyLookinHat> Am I correct in saying that doing a simple dist-upgrade with replacing dapper with edgy in your sources.list will not work correctly, and that you should do gksu "update-manager -c"       I was under the impression that new packages and programs wouldn't be implemented with a simple dist-upgrade
[05:57] <ajmitch> no, dist-upgrade should work in most cases, but the update-manager app catches some more corner cases
[05:57] <LaserJock> FunnyLookinHat: I think update-manager -c is preferred but dist-upgrading also works
[05:58] <FunnyLookinHat> Hmmm...  ok.  Thanks!
[05:58] <crimsun> (except for Xubuntu, which explodes on Dapper->Edgy if gksu "update-manager -c" is used)
[05:58] <FunnyLookinHat> yea, that's what happened for my buddy, heh
[05:59] <ajmitch> crimsun: a slight problem
[05:59] <crimsun> just a tad
[06:00] <ajmitch> been able to track down any of the breakage?
[06:00] <crimsun> mvo's quite puzzled, too
[06:00] <crimsun> he thinks it's related to the icon theme being updated
[06:01] <ajmitch> no clue as to why it only affects xubuntu?
[06:02] <crimsun> I don't have any, no.
[06:05] <FunnyLookinHat> What is the base package for xubuntu ?  I.e. the equivalent of ubuntu-desktop & ubuntu-standard ...   could it be related to that meta-package?
[06:05] <LaserJock> xubuntu-desktop :-)
[06:10] <ajmitch> imbrandon: are we there yet?
[06:11] <LaserJock> huh? huh?
[06:11] <imbrandon> workin still: E: beryl-core_0.1.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file feisty
[06:11] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:11] <ajmitch> imbrandon: so you're still preparing source packages I can build & try out & critique?
[06:11] <imbrandon> yea
[06:12] <ajmitch> ok
[06:12] <ajmitch> I just need source
[06:12] <imbrandon> ahh well hell
[06:12] <ajmitch> that's what I wanted...
[06:12] <imbrandon> give me 5 minutes then
[06:12] <imbrandon> heh
[06:12] <imbrandon> i was compiling them all
[06:13] <ajmitch> why?
[06:13] <imbrandon> no just do one upload ( that and i only have 1.0 installed )
[06:14] <imbrandon> but one sec
[06:14] <imbrandon> i'll just up the source
[06:14] <ajmitch> I appreciate if the source actually builds correct binaries, of course :)
[06:14] <imbrandon> some still needs cleaned up ( like the control files a bit ) but they work correctly
[06:14] <ajmitch> what arch were you building for anyway?
[06:14] <imbrandon> amd64
[06:14] <ajmitch> right
[06:14] <imbrandon> kk
[06:15] <ajmitch> since I want to try with the laptop
[06:15] <imbrandon> k give me 5 more minures to copy them to the server
[06:25] <ajmitch> imbrandon: 5 minutes are up ;)
[06:28] <imbrandon> http://federation.imbrandon.com/beryl/
[06:28] <imbrandon> core copied
[06:29] <imbrandon> still working on the rest
[06:30] <ajmitch> wonderful
[06:30] <ajmitch> stuff on digg about edgy upgrades breaking for many people
[06:30] <imbrandon> great
[06:30] <bddebian> Gnight folks..
[06:33] <ajmitch> yeah, looks like plenty of people on the forums have had breakage
[06:33] <ajmitch> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=285446
[06:33] <minghua> Are these crash reports with a *.crash summary file automated?
[06:33] <ajmitch> looking at the poll results, I wonder how much of it is due to crack they've installed
[06:33] <ajmitch> minghua: yes
[06:34] <ajmitch> sigh, looks like a few of those are from compiz/beryl breakage as well
[06:34] <minghua> lovely.  and thanks, ajmitch
[06:35] <minghua> (now only if it can attach reportbug script output as well...)
[06:36] <ajmitch> minghua: see apport
[06:37] <minghua> ajmitch: that's the program that generates the crash reports, right?
[06:37] <ajmitch> yes
[06:38] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you don't have much upstream bandwidth, do you? :)
[06:39] <imbrandon> 1mb/s but i'm sure there are other things going
[06:39] <imbrandon> in other words no
[06:39] <ajmitch> I'm fetching at ~30K/sec
[06:39] <imbrandon> ouch
[06:39] <imbrandon> i've almost finished up the rest of the dsc's
[06:40] <ajmitch> ok
[06:40] <ajmitch> I'll be patient
[06:40] <imbrandon> i can upload ot a fast server if i get done before you finish
[06:42] <ajmitch> ok, fetched all the tarballs
[06:43] <imbrandon> kk, the diff's and stuff should be small
[06:56] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ok updated
[06:59] <ajmitch> ok
[06:59] <ajmitch> seems that I'm having a little trouble updating the pbuilder chroots
[06:59] <ajmitch> with the datacentre being a little slow
[07:00] <imbrandon> yea thats one thing i love about having a local mirror
[07:00] <ajmitch> I'm using apt-proxy
[07:00] <ajmitch> local mirror would be a bit too large
[07:01] <whiprush> ajmitch: my mirror seems to be not-so-slammed if you want to give it a shot, ubuntu.secs.oakland.edu
[07:01] <ajmitch> it's ok
[07:01] <ajmitch> just updated
[07:01] <imbrandon> heya whiprush
[07:01] <whiprush> hi imbrandon
[07:01] <ajmitch> I think it was apt-proxy having "one of its moments"
[07:03] <imbrandon> crap ajmitch uncomment "docbook-to-man debian/beryl.sgml > beryl.1" in beryl-core
[07:04] <ajmitch> again..
[07:04] <ajmitch> I don't know how you can drink that much of it
[07:05] <imbrandon> lol
[07:05] <whiprush> soda-addiction is a massive epidemic in our part of the country ajmitch
[07:05] <whiprush> midwesterners love their pop
[07:06] <imbrandon> yup yup
[07:06] <ajmitch> yeah I've mostly managed to get away from it
[07:06] <LaserJock> you used "pop"
[07:06] <whiprush> heh
[07:06] <ajmitch> I used to be drinking far too much coke a day
[07:06] <ajmitch> now I barely drink any
[07:07] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you forgot the docbook-to-man build-dep?
[07:07] <whiprush> man, we have way too many specs already
[07:07] <imbrandon> ajmitch, probably, i was rushing heh
[07:08] <Toadstool> I as a French guy am amazed by the amount of coke people here can drink, I'd have to change my stomahc at least three times a day if I drank as much as they do
[07:08] <Toadstool> (here = California)
[07:08] <imbrandon> Toadstool, heh
[07:09] <Toadstool> :)
[07:10] <ajmitch> ok, finally got pbuilder running for beryl-core
[07:10] <ajmitch> emerald-themes has a broken version number
[07:11] <imbrandon> oh crap
[07:11] <imbrandon> o instead of 0
[07:11] <ajmitch> :)
[07:11] <imbrandon> heh see why i said they are stilla  bit rough hehe
[07:12] <ajmitch> "a bit"
[07:12] <ajmitch> do they run?
[07:12] <imbrandon> yea ( the source does ) i have it installed now, but i'm still working on these packages, they should be 99.99% right as they are besed on my 0.1 packages
[07:12] <ajmitch> yay, build failure
[07:13] <ajmitch> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/man/man1/beryl-start.1': No such file or directory
[07:13] <imbrandon> wonderfull
[07:13] <ajmitch> no longer shipped
[07:14] <imbrandon> yea just needs removed from the bery-core.install
[07:14] <ajmitch> rebuilding again :)
[07:14] <imbrandon> err beryl
[07:15] <imbrandon> i need to hit the lottery and i'll buy us all fast boxes hehe
[07:15] <imbrandon> but i got to play the lottery to win, so i guess i'l; never win huh ? lol
[07:16] <ajmitch> pbuilder-satisfydepends takes an age
[07:16] <imbrandon> yea even on fast boxes
[07:16] <ajmitch> we have to talk to mvo to get the apt-get simulation cut down
[07:16] <ajmitch> see why it's dragging
[07:17] <imbrandon> definately ,it take longer for that to run then compile it most of the time
[07:17] <ajmitch> yep
[07:17] <ajmitch> annoying :)
[07:17] <whiprush> didn't motu get a hardware donation the other day?
[07:17] <ajmitch> some spare LVM space could be useful
[07:17] <ajmitch> whiprush: I haven't heard anything about that
[07:18] <whiprush> I could have sworn those system76 dudes donated something.
[07:18] <imbrandon> not that i know of, i've been working on a way to get a build farm like porter machines for MOTU's
[07:18] <ajmitch> whiprush: I'd love it if they did
[07:18] <whiprush> I've got a server I can donate a login to for motu.
[07:19] <whiprush> like, with an motu login or something
[07:19] <ajmitch> we need xen working properly on amd64
[07:19] <whiprush> dual dual core 2ghz opteron with 16gb of ram.
[07:19] <ajmitch> puts my little amd64 x2 to shame
[07:19] <imbrandon> whiprush, that would rock ( right now i've been giving accounts on one of my build machines thats much slower than that )
[07:20] <whiprush> I can probably repurpose an opteron ultra 20 too if someone needs it, but that would be much slower, it's like 1.7ghz with only a gig of ram.
[07:20] <whiprush> imbrandon: individual accounts or one shared account?
[07:20] <imbrandon> whiprush, individual accounts , and i have local mirrors serup for repos and pbuilders for dapper,edgy,feisty,sid,etch
[07:21] <whiprush> our main server is a nut crusher though
[07:21] <ajmitch> whiprush: you my friend
[07:21] <imbrandon> but its on a 2ghz celeron with 2 gb ram
[07:21] <whiprush> imbrandon: we should discuss this further.
[07:21] <ajmitch> imbrandon: /bin/sh: ./configure: Permission denied
[07:21] <imbrandon> whiprush, definately
[07:21] <whiprush> I have a similar 32bit opteron server but it only has 8gb of ram.
[07:21] <ajmitch> beryl-manager
[07:21] <imbrandon> wth, ok run ./autogen again
[07:22] <ajmitch> that's crackful
[07:22] <whiprush> my only issue is that I have like 20 people logged into them at any time, so during peak hours people would have to nice themselves appropriately.
[07:22] <imbrandon> yea definaely
[07:22] <ajmitch> & probably won't preserve permissions in the diff.gz
[07:22] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea i'll probably have to remake the tarbals
[07:22] <whiprush> sweet, we'll discuss this during -mtv
[07:22] <imbrandon> whiprush, right on, i had planned to a bit, i started a spec
[07:23] <imbrandon> whiprush, i have some scripts to nice 19  the pbuilder from logins
[07:23] <whiprush> stupid question
[07:23] <imbrandon> and stuff
[07:23] <whiprush> how many people who aren't MOTUs know that you guys are sucking with resources?
[07:23] <ajmitch> whiprush: probably none
[07:23] <imbrandon> whiprush, probably -0-
[07:24] <ajmitch> my biggest problem is probably bandwidth, living in the wonderful country of data caps
[07:24] <imbrandon> ( unless your counting -core-dev as many of us are both )
[07:25] <imbrandon> whiprush, my .plan was to not only set that up but also access to say powerpc machines and such too, along with local mirrors on the lan ( done ) so people from like nz are only using ssh not downloading a ton of crud
[07:25] <ajmitch> imbrandon: beryl-manager needs intltool build-dep
[07:25] <whiprush> honestly I think if someone were to come up with a decent spec and plan
[07:25] <imbrandon> but right now i only have one x86 one x86_64 and one ppc for logins
[07:25] <whiprush> that you'd get flooded with people donating resources
[07:25] <whiprush> if you ask right
[07:26] <imbrandon> whiprush, yup yup, i would think so too
[07:26] <jsgotangco> whiprush!
[07:26] <whiprush> jsgotangco: JEROME!
[07:26] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[07:26] <imbrandon> whiprush, i made a placeholder spec if you wanna touch on it a bit
[07:27] <imbrandon> +devfarm i think its called
[07:28] <whiprush> k
[07:28] <whiprush> will look at it.
[07:28] <ajmitch> imbrandon: actually there's more breakage than missing build-dep, I suspect
[07:28] <ajmitch> or I got it wrong
[07:28] <imbrandon> for what one ?
[07:28] <ajmitch> beryl-manager, as I said a couple of minutes ago
[07:29] <imbrandon> oh hrm
[07:29] <imbrandon> lemme peek at the svn packaing they have for build-deps
[07:29] <ajmitch> ./configure: line 4964: syntax error near unexpected token `0.35.0'
[07:29] <ajmitch> ./configure: line 4964: `IT_PROG_INTLTOOL(0.35.0)'
[07:29] <ajmitch> so it was probably broken at autogen time
[07:29] <imbrandon> wonderfull
[07:30] <imbrandon> yea i'll probably have to make the rules run autogen for these
[07:30] <imbrandon> i dident want to
[07:30] <imbrandon> figures
[07:30] <ajmitch> trying again
[07:31] <imbrandon> did you add autogen to the rules ?
[07:31] <imbrandon> or just run autogen again>
[07:31] <LaserJock> sorry, reading backlog. I still can email the System76 guy about a hardware donation
[07:31] <LaserJock> if we have a plan put together
[07:32] <jsgotangco> nice
[07:32] <jsgotangco> donated hardware is always nice
[07:32] <ajmitch> ran autogen.sh & make distclean
[07:32] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ah cool
[07:32] <ajmitch> LaserJock: like somewhere to put them?
[07:32] <imbrandon> LaserJock, rockin, yea i'll see if i can get a better plan togather, the main thing i see as a problem is where to host this at ( i started off doing it at my house and i dont mind continuing to do so ) but it would be nice to have a rack somewhere in the DC or something
[07:32] <LaserJock> well, or specifically what we are looking for
[07:32] <ajmitch> make[2] : execvp: /tmp/buildd/beryl-manager-0.1.1/install-sh: Permission denied
[07:33] <LaserJock> _MMA_ was talking with the guy and it sounded like he was at least interested in the idea
[07:33] <ajmitch> donations to individual MOTUs would be impractical
[07:33] <LaserJock> imbrandon: we need a US DC ;-)
[07:34] <imbrandon> LaserJock, as i said i have the room here and the time to admin it , but its the question of weather the MOTU as a group want that
[07:34] <imbrandon> ajmitch, exactly
[07:35] <imbrandon> hell we might even talk google into sponsoring some hosting if we come up with the boxes heheh
[07:35] <imbrandon> doubts*
[07:35] <LaserJock> hmm, that's not a bad idea though
[07:36] <LaserJock> something to think about for UDS get together
[07:36] <imbrandon> and i say the best way for "admining" it is a small LP team like the REVU admins
[07:36] <imbrandon> ( that again i wouldent mind trying to get togather and helping with since i've been trying to find the best way to handle it anyhow localy)
[07:37] <imbrandon> but stuff needs to be "worked" out like hardware and hosting heh
[07:37] <imbrandon> x86 i dont think we'll have a problem with, its the other arches
[07:37] <ajmitch> imbrandon: something along the lines of how debian does it
[07:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea
[07:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch, thats my idea for it, why reinvent the wheel ( when not needed )
[07:38] <LaserJock> ajmitch: that would be useful to know. I don't know a lot about it
[07:39] <ajmitch> borrow things like the acceptable usage policy, too
[07:39] <LaserJock> the Debian Developer's Reference should have some stuff on that shouldn't it?
[07:39] <imbrandon> basicly if you have a key in the DD keyring you have access to the porter machines
[07:40] <imbrandon> but admining i mean moreso about maiing sure the pbuilders are setup right, and updated , and just general system maint
[07:40] <imbrandon> making*
[07:40] <ajmitch> I know
[07:40] <imbrandon> most of it can be automated and logs watched
[07:41] <LaserJock> well, time for bed
[07:41] <LaserJock> good night
[07:41] <ajmitch> night LaserJock
[07:41] <imbrandon> gnight LaserJock
[07:41] <LaserJock> enjoy your Golden Ponies
[07:41] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:41] <ajmitch> for those who got them
[07:42] <LaserJock> there :p
[07:42] <LaserJock> nooooo
[07:42] <LaserJock> stay away from the light
[07:43] <StevenK> "I can't help it .... it's so beautiful .... *bzzzzt*"
[07:43] <LaserJock> exactly
[07:43] <StevenK> :-P
[07:43] <imbrandon> lol
[07:43] <jsgotangco> the last time i used it was during dapper development
[07:43] <jsgotangco> jeezz
[07:43] <StevenK> (A Bug's Life, if no-one can place it)
[07:44] <whiprush> dude that movie came out like 5 years ago
[07:45] <imbrandon> hrm ajmitch autogen in the rule the way to go you think ?
[07:45] <ajmitch> imbrandon: ugly
[07:45] <imbrandon> yea
[07:45] <imbrandon> but .... well.... its ugly either way
[07:45] <imbrandon> heh
[07:47] <imbrandon> man there is still google ad's on the forums
[07:48] <ajmitch> dh_install: beryl-plugins missing files (debian/tmp/usr/share/dbus-1/*), aborting
[07:49] <imbrandon> yea the dbus crap was split out
[07:49] <imbrandon> i forgot about that
[07:49] <ajmitch> more crack
[07:49] <imbrandon> yea
[07:53] <jsgotangco> ahh no
[08:08] <imbrandon> zomg, the guy that owned the first tech company i worked for and intro'd me to linux just emailed me ( he has long since sold the company and moved somewhere in texas )
[08:08] <imbrandon> thats a blast from the past
[08:09] <imbrandon> i hadent thought about him in over 10 years :)
[08:20] <imbrandon> beryl seems to be the rage, but they are both crackfull atm
[08:21] <ajmitch> beryl is the popular flavour with ubuntu
[08:21] <ajmitch> probably because they provided packages & were on the forums
[08:21] <StevenK> Ah, but compiz is in Edgy, and I'm lazy. :-P
[08:23] <ajmitch> silly people who decide to overwrite SpecTemplate
[08:25] <StevenK> Hmph.
[08:25] <StevenK> The docs in the wiki say 'compiz-start', which doesn't exist.
[08:26] <ajmitch> doesn't mean that the wiki follows the packages
[08:26] <Hobbsee> hah
[08:26] <Hobbsee> it's all open to intepretation
[08:28] <StevenK> Damn!
[08:28] <StevenK> "GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing"
[08:28] <ajmitch> aww
[08:28] <StevenK> Another place the wiki is wrong.
[08:28] <StevenK> Apparently, the i810 driver supports it.
[08:28] <ajmitch> it does
[08:29] <StevenK> But that's what my laptop uses.
[08:29] <imbrandon> yea i use aiglx on my i810 driver card all the time
[08:30] <StevenK> Driver "i810"
[08:30] <StevenK> Okay, so why doesn't compiz find GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap?
[08:31] <ajmitch> what does glxinfo say?
[08:31] <ajmitch> you're logged in via ssh?
[08:31] <StevenK> I can be
[08:31] <ajmitch> or something similarly annoying? :)
[08:31] <StevenK> steven@jaded:~% DISPLAY=:0 glxinfo| grep GLX_EXT_text
[08:31] <StevenK> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_OML_swap_method,
[08:32] <ajmitch> right
[08:32] <StevenK> But I was running compiz from X,
[08:32] <StevenK> s/,$/./
[08:32] <ajmitch> probably some gl fun
[08:33] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~$ glxinfo| grep GLX_EXT_text
[08:33] <imbrandon> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[08:33] <imbrandon>     GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_OML_swap_method,
[08:33] <imbrandon>     GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
[08:33] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~$
[08:33] <imbrandon> and it works here
[08:33] <imbrandon> dunno what that stuff means
[08:33] <StevenK> imbrandon: Do you use the compiz from Edgy?
[08:33] <imbrandon> i use berly
[08:34] <imbrandon> beryl
[08:34] <StevenK> Does it actually work?
[08:34] <imbrandon> yes
[08:34] <StevenK> Can I be lazy and add a repository?
[08:34] <imbrandon> slow on this computer but not unbearable
[08:34] <imbrandon> ajmitch, you ever fix up all those packages
[08:34] <imbrandon> or still have issues
[08:36] <StevenK> Hr
[08:36] <StevenK> m
[08:37] <StevenK> compiz now works, given the command line from the manual page, but I don't have a title bar.
[08:39] <imbrandon> titlebar? as in the windeco ?
[08:40] <StevenK> Yes.
[08:40] <imbrandon> hum i havent used compiz since dapper flight 6
[08:41] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:41] <imbrandon> the only way i would impress my ex-wife was to get off the computer
[08:41] <imbrandon> lol
[08:43] <Hobbsee> StevenK: your wife was even more impressed with my pretty background :P
[08:43] <StevenK> Heh
[08:53] <ajmitch> imbrandon: sorry, was just on phone
[08:53] <ajmitch> imbrandon: every package is somewhat broken
[08:53] <imbrandon> no worries, i was just gonna give it to StevenK, i'll work on them some more here ina  bit
[08:54] <StevenK> It's just a little too slow to actually be usable.
[08:55] <imbrandon> yea thats my probelm with it, its just a little to slow to use day to day
[08:55] <imbrandon> its ok for like 5 minutes to show it off
[09:30] <Chandu> Hi
[09:30] <Chandu> I want to know How motu-tools work
[09:31] <Chandu> What are the prerequisites for that tool and how to user that
[09:31] <Chandu> how to use that
[09:52] <ajmitch> imbrandon: fixed them all up yet?
[10:56] <Chandu> imbrandon, I want to install malone bug tracking system in our server for intranet ... How do I do that
[10:57] <azeem> Chandu: malone is not free software
[10:58] <Chandu> azeem, Oh! then how ubuntu is using in motu
[10:59] <azeem> Chandu: Canonical has developped it and are allowing motu to use it
[10:59] <ajmitch> we use it via the web UI or by email
[10:59] <Chandu> azeem, ok
[11:00] <azeem> Chandu: maybe you can talk to the Canonical people in #launchpad, but I am not sure whether they are selling it to other people
[11:00] <Chandu> azeem, ok
[11:01] <Chandu> azeem, How to work with motu-tools
[11:01] <azeem> I don't know, ask the channel in general
[11:01] <Chandu> How to work with motu-tools
[11:02] <azeem> also, maybe ask a more specific question, like what you have tried and you failed
[11:02] <azeem> s/and you failed/and how you failed/
[11:02] <Chandu> I have built a distro based on debian .. a single cd distro ..
[11:03] <Chandu> Some packages I have modified (Replcaing our images over debian and etc)
[11:03] <Chandu> and added our own revision (same as ubuntu XubuntuY) - as gdm 2.8-0boss1
[11:04] <Chandu> Now I have that small repostory containg packages which are in my distro
[11:04] <Chandu> I want to merge debian with boss .. to give the public to make use of the full repo(15000 packages)
[11:04] <Chandu> same as ubuntu
[11:05] <azeem> ubuntu rebuilds all of debian
[11:05] <Chandu> But just like that I cannot give debian repo ..as while isntalling it will give dependency problem .. as version of debian and boss differs
[11:05] <Chandu> azeem, ubuntu rebuilds all of debian packages
[11:06] <azeem> yes
[11:06] <Chandu> azeem, means what , how do debian get synced into or merged into ubuntu
[11:07] <Chandu> azeem, ubuntu rebuilds all debian packages over which release
[11:07] <ajmitch> we import only source from debian & rebuild them on the buildds
[11:07] <azeem> ubuntu imports debian source packages from unstable, and rebuilds them for their next release
[11:08] <Chandu> azeem, Suppose dapper is there , now new release edgy is coming (for eg:) , how do U sync debian packages with edgy and how do U merge and how do you assure that it works on edgy
[11:08] <Chandu> azeem, How do you rebuild on next release as it wont be released yet
[11:08] <azeem> Chandu: I believe this is documented on the ubuntu wiki/webpage
[11:09] <Chandu> azeem, and what about the versioning , whether you are adding XubuntuY for all tha packages you are rebuilding
[11:09] <azeem> only if we change the Debian source
[11:09] <azeem> and this is documented as well
[11:09] <Chandu> azeem, can I get the exact path of the webpage
[11:09] <ajmitch> Chandu: have you seen pages like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[11:10] <azeem> Chandu: at least my motivation to answer your questions drops rapidly if I feel you're asking questions you could easily research on your own
[11:10] <ajmitch> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForDebianDevelopers
[11:10] <Chandu> azeem, Either changeing the debian source or not , the source will be rebuilt in ubuntu .. again ..right
[11:10] <azeem> yes
[11:10] <Chandu> azeem, sorry , ya I have seen ..
[11:10] <Chandu> azeem, I will go thru again
[11:11] <Chandu> azeem, How to setup the buildd environment for the forth coming relesase
[11:11] <azeem> Chandu: this is not free software either
[11:12] <Chandu> azeem, which buildd
[11:12] <azeem> ?
[11:12] <Chandu> azeem, which one is not free software
[11:12] <azeem> the Ubuntu build infrastructure
[11:13] <Chandu> can you suggest me then how can I do the same for my distro
[11:14] <Chandu> I need full repository ..which will work fine on our distro
[11:18] <azeem> Chandu: see above, you could ask Canonical whether you can buy the launchpad build service
[11:18] <azeem> Chandu: or you could setup something similar to Debian's autobuilders (which are free software)
[11:18] <azeem> but that is off-topic here
[11:19] <Chandu> azeem, ok
[11:34] <Chandu> azeem, Why do want to rebuild again the debian source when there is no need of any change in that and not adding ubuntu revision .. just you can copy the debian source and binaries to ubuntu na
[11:37] <azeem> Chandu: 10:56 < Chandu> But just like that I cannot give debian repo ..as while isntalling it will give dependency problem .. as version of debian and boss differs
[11:37] <azeem> you answered it yourself
[11:38] <Chandu> azeem, ya ..but then how do I build for my future release ..which also ask for build-depends
[11:39] <azeem> I don't know
[11:39] <Chandu> azeem, then what is auto syncing from deiban to ubuntu
[11:39] <azeem> launchpad
[11:40] <azeem> Chandu: is your project a commercial or community one?
[11:40] <Chandu> azeem, it is community one , but still community is not formed .. .which are still work as a small team .. a team of 8 members
[11:41] <azeem> maybe you can try to convince Canonical's launchpad people that it should be a Ubuntu-derived distribution and they might let you use launchpad directly
[11:41] <azeem> but this is off-topic in this channel I guess
[11:41] <Chandu> azeem, ok
[12:01] <Chandu> How to grab all the relevant files for the merge using the script grab-merge.sh which is in http://merges.ubuntu.com/
[12:09] <DarkMageZ> in debian they have a "libsdl-pango-dev" what would ubuntu's equal be?
[12:14] <kozz> I planned to set up a repository and it works fine except that it can't authorize with my key, what do I need in order for apt-get to be able to authorize the packages?
[12:14] <kozz> my public key, http://www.kozz.org/files/keys/kozz.gpg which I added with apt-key add but still don't work
[12:15] <kozz> the repositry http://pegasos.org/ubuntu/edgy/
[12:15] <kozz> used the howto at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocalAptGetRepositoriesTrivial
[12:54] <DarkMageZ> hmm, what are the chances of the new frozen bubble (2.0) which requires a new library sdl-pango, coming to edgy?
[12:55] <ajmitch> approximately nil
[12:55] <ajmitch> since edgy is released, and gets no new software
[12:56] <ajmitch> having that dependency would mean that it probably won't be backported either
[12:59] <DarkMageZ> ajmitch, thanks for the validation on that :)
[01:23] <luisbg> hello all
[01:23] <Hobbsee> heya
[01:24] <luisbg> how is all going Hobbsee ?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> luisbg: good, just got home from work
[01:24] <luisbg> nice... weekend for you now?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:25] <luisbg> :) enjoy
[01:25] <luisbg> when is feisty opening?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> luisbg: a week after the last person asked.
[01:26] <StevenK> Ha!
[01:26] <StevenK> Feisty, due to be released in April 2007, will open for uploads in May, 2007.
[01:26] <Hobbsee> StevenK: that's what we said for edgy too :)
[01:26] <StevenK> Hah
[01:26] <luisbg> LOL
[01:26] <Hobbsee> StevenK: but it will be in feature freeze, so all uploads will need a UVFe
[01:27] <StevenK> Hobbsee: And be approved by the distro team. ;-)
[01:27] <Hobbsee> StevenK: and everything will be on manual, due to the constant main freezes
[01:27] <Hobbsee> yetp
[01:27] <Hobbsee> -t
[01:27] <luisbg> really?
[01:27] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:27] <ajmitch> luisbg: of course
[01:27] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: actually that was seriously suggested for dapper - that it just be frozen breezy
[01:28] <luisbg> sounds logical
[01:28] <StevenK> Hrm. I'm rather glad it wasn't.
[01:28] <luisbg> but for development to not slow down feisty should open sooner
[01:28] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes, people seem to like suggesting that, and focus on stability.  Then they bitch that the latest version of their app isnt included.
[01:28] <ajmitch> a 6 month freeze on new versions would have been painful
[01:28] <ajmitch> luisbg: seriously, edgy is out only a couple of days, be patient
[01:28] <Hobbsee> indeed.  i dont think there'd be many devs left if they did that
[01:29] <luisbg> freeze the stable version, work in the unstable once the other is frozen
[01:29] <luisbg> sounds good to me
[01:29] <luisbg> if you want the newest... take the risk
[01:29] <ajmitch> there are little things like the development toolchain that are critical to roll out before feisty is open for general uploads
[01:29] <Hobbsee> luisbg: what about the idea of a holiday?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> bha.
[01:29] <Hobbsee> *bah
[01:29] <ajmitch> luisbg: doesn't work so well
[01:29] <Hobbsee> let's just have evertyhing fail to build after the toolchain is done
[01:30] <ajmitch> you get everyone switching to the unstable branch & just running that
[01:30] <luisbg> Hobbsee, I think in free software you can step out for a while if you desire it... it isn't like you are in a payroll
[01:30] <Hobbsee> and then bitching when it doesnt work :P
[01:30] <Hobbsee> luisbg: you forget that people are.  and those are the people tending to do the toolchain, etc
[01:30] <luisbg> true
[01:31] <luisbg> so are they taking a vacation?
[01:31] <ajmitch> so they've had 1 working day since edgy was released, and you expect them to have everything in place for feisty?
[01:31] <StevenK> They tend to, just after a release.
[01:31] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: of course :P
[01:31] <luisbg> LOL
[01:31] <StevenK> They've added it to Launchpad - it took them much longer to do that for Edgy after Dapper.
[01:32] <ajmitch> StevenK: you have no idea of the pain of dapper opening
[01:32] <ajmitch> it took weeks
[01:32] <StevenK> Heh
[01:32] <ajmitch> first release opening on launchpad
[01:32] <luisbg> ajmitch, I don't expect it to open the next day... but not in 6 months... a few weeks sounds good
[01:32] <StevenK> I think I looked to contribute just after.
[01:32] <ajmitch> they were talking about opening it on dak & then shifting it - I think that happened in the end
[01:33] <ajmitch> launchpad was even rougher back then
[01:33] <luisbg> I'm just bitching a little because I decided to contribute the same day edgy came out :S bad timing for me
[01:33] <ajmitch> you kids don't know how lucky you are :)
[01:34] <luisbg> lol
[01:34] <StevenK> Oof
[01:35] <ajmitch> no respect..
[01:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: indeed.  you're just an old and decrepit man :P
[01:35] <ajmitch> I should just go to bed
[01:35] <Hobbsee> s/sadly/seriously/g
[01:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: for an early bedtime, yes.
[01:35] <jsgotangco> heh no serious stuff happening on the channels lately hehehe
[01:35] <ajmitch> yes, it's not even 1AM
[01:36] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: indeed.  i was quite surprised at -devel just after dapper was released
[01:36] <luisbg> where are you guys from... here is past 1pm
[01:36] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[01:36] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: October 28 2006, 21:36:32
[01:36] <jsgotangco> @time manila
[01:36] <luisbg> LOL
[01:36] <Ubugtu> Current time in Asia/Manila: October 28 2006, 19:36:38
[01:36] <ajmitch> I'm from a little island in the south pacific
[01:36] <luisbg> I'm from a little island in the center atlantic
[01:36] <ajmitch> IP over carrier pigeon..
[01:36] <StevenK> ajmitch: Tasmania
[01:36] <jsgotangco> the southern state of au?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> hah
[01:37] <jsgotangco> hehe
[01:37] <ajmitch> StevenK: that isn't technically on the pacific coast
[01:37] <ajmitch> tasman sea & southern ocean, perhaps
[01:37] <StevenK> Since when has that stopped quips?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i'm suprised those carrier pigeons arent all banned yet.  surely they make one heck of a mess.
[01:38] <StevenK> Muahah
[01:38] <luisbg> gonna go have lunch... you people smalltalking :P
[01:38] <jsgotangco> its supposed to be a quiet weekend for all of us
[01:38] <Hobbsee> night old man
[01:39] <StevenK> Dear me.
[01:39] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:51] <Windkracht8> Hello all, I've got a bug (http://pastebin.ca/226404) on 2 separate computers it has been unable to remove gmediaserver with synaptic/apt-get
[04:01] <azeem> hi Barry
[04:02] <bddebian> Heya gang..
[04:02] <bddebian> azeem: :_)
[04:10] <AnAnt> lionelp: got a minute ?
[04:14] <AnAnt> Gloubiboulga: got a minute ?
[04:14] <Gloubiboulga> AnAnt, yes
[04:14] <AnAnt> Gloubiboulga: you from france, right ?
[04:15] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[04:20] <chillywilly> Edgy doesn't seem to do the suspend to disk thing anymore...
[04:20] <chillywilly> bah, yet another thing to fix
[04:20] <AnAnt> chillywilly: it does
[04:20] <AnAnt> chillywilly: I use acpitool -S
[04:21] <chillywilly> well I usually use the power management applet....actually I use the "hibernate" button which triggers it
[04:24] <chillywilly> that didn't work either :)
[04:24] <AnAnt> chillywilly: well, hibernating from the GUI usually is bad here
[04:24] <AnAnt> chillywilly: when I wakeup the machine , the machine freezes !
[04:24] <chillywilly> it used to work for me just fine
[04:24] <AnAnt> well, it sometimes works, sometimes freezes
[04:24] <AnAnt> so I hibernate from console
[04:25] <chillywilly> it seems to do it but never actually powers anything off
[04:25] <AnAnt> but even when hibernating from console sometimes it does wake up (usually actually), but sometimes it instead does a clean boot
[04:25] <AnAnt> oh
[04:25] <chillywilly> myabe I am missing some package
[04:27] <AnAnt> duno
[04:27] <chillywilly> ah, it complain
[04:28] <chillywilly> [17217237.528000]  swsusp: Cannot find swap device, try swapon -a.
[04:28] <chillywilly> bah
[04:29] <chillywilly> great then I get another error when using swapon -a
[04:30] <chillywilly> swapon: /dev/disk/by-uuid/baca8b78-083c-4b4e-bbd0-976f0abd3849: Invalid argument
[04:31] <chillywilly> this is why it does not fully suspend to disk
[04:32] <chillywilly> my fstab looks awfully bizzare
[04:33] <chillywilly> big long fugly UUIDs
[04:36] <lupine_85> chillywilly: just modify the fstab
[04:38] <chillywilly> well I did mkswap on that weird uuid device
[04:38] <chillywilly> works now
[04:40] <chillywilly> but I don't like the fact that it did this: # /dev/hda6 -- converted during upgrade to edgy
[04:41] <chillywilly> then there's the weird uuid device listed under that
[04:41] <chillywilly> brb
[05:45] <teferra> filed a bug https://launchpad.net/products/malone/+bug/68863 and needed to report it to MOTU. But the emaila dress at launchpad rejected the message.
[05:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68863 in malone "Ethiopic true type fonts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[05:49] <Nafallo> teferra: MOTU cares for universe and multiverse, not main.
[05:52] <teferra> Nafallo: I was advised by Christian Robottom Reis <kiko@async.com.br> to contact MOTU on this issue at rosetta users list
[05:54] <Nafallo> ah, I misread the bugreport
[05:55] <teferra> so will it be taken care of. I am tired of explaining to people where to get and how to install the fonts.
[05:59] <Nafallo> no idea. I'll assign it to the right plays for now. any further progress will be appended to the bugreport.
[05:59] <Nafallo> s/plays/place/
[06:01] <teferra> Thanx. good enough for now.
[06:01] <Nafallo> np :-)
[06:01] <Nafallo> someone will hopefully pick it up
[06:01] <teferra> hope so:-)
[06:06] <LaserJock> Goooood Morning MOTU Land!
[06:07] <Nafallo> evening lakin
[06:07] <Nafallo> evening LaserJock
[06:07] <LaserJock> hi Nafallo
[06:07] <lakin> hi Nafallo
[06:07] <lakin> ;)
[06:07] <Nafallo> LaserJock: running feisty yet? ;-)
[06:07] <Nafallo> lakin: hehe :-)
[06:08] <zul> morning LaserJock
[06:08] <LaserJock> Nafallo: no, are the repos open?
[06:08] <LaserJock> hi zul
[06:08] <Nafallo> LaserJock: yepp. base-files and debootstrap is new ;-)
[06:08] <LaserJock> excellent
[06:08] <LaserJock> I actually tend to wait for a while
[06:09] <LaserJock> since all of my computers are sort of production machines
[06:09] <Nafallo> hehe :-)
[06:09] <luisbg> Nafallo, is feisty open?
[06:09] <Nafallo> luisbg: yes
[06:09] <luisbg> cool
[06:10] <Nafallo> but like infinity said... the fun will not start before the new toolchain has been bootstraped :-)
[06:11] <luisbg> Nafallo, when will that happen aprox?
[06:11] <Nafallo> ASAP I guess
[06:11] <Nafallo> next week or so
[06:13] <luisbg> architecture?
[06:13] <Nafallo> x86 -> x86_64
[06:13] <luisbg> ohhh
[06:13] <Nafallo> without reinstall and with minimum downtime please ;-)
[06:14] <luisbg> good luck
[06:14] <LaserJock> I usually wait until the test .isos come out before I switch
[06:14] <LaserJock> but I always need a pbuilder/chroot of course for packaging work
[06:14] <Nafallo> probably something along the lines of debootstrap on my laptop, breaking the raid1 on the server, copy the chroot to the "faulty" drive and try to boot :-)
[06:15] <plugwash> no easy way, minimum downtime way would probablly be to switch the kernel first, then set everything up in a chroot on a new partition then switch the boot partition over
[06:18] <Nafallo> sure. but I can't set up the chroot since bin/bash in it will be for x86_64, which x86 can't read ;-)
[06:18] <Nafallo> or rather execute
[06:18] <plugwash> thats why you switch the kernel first
[06:18] <plugwash> amd64 kernels can deal with both i386 and amd64 userland binaries
[06:19] <Nafallo> hmm, right. but I prefer to have a clean fallback :-)
[06:19] <Nafallo> so better to break my raid1 systemdisks :-)
[06:22] <plugwash> switching the kernel to an amd64 one shouldn't cause your existing userland stuff any problems
[06:23] <plugwash> Nafallo by open do you mean that feisty is accepting packages automatically from sid atm?
[06:24] <luisbg> so you usually run the stable version and use a chroot to test and develop the unstable version right?
[06:24] <Nafallo> plugwash: no. the new toolchain has to be bootstrapped.
[06:24] <Nafallo> luisbg: if you're not as crazy as me ;-)
[06:25] <luisbg> Nafallo, does it ever crash seriously or give any problem?
[06:26] <Nafallo> luisbg: ofcourse. that's the fun with running the devel version :-)
[06:26] <plugwash> i dunno how bad ubuntu testing releases are but apparently sid breaks big time about once a year or so
[06:26] <plugwash> by breaks big time i mean things like won't boot or can't log in normally
[06:27] <luisbg> ouch
[06:27] <luisbg> what do I do if I spot an unconfirmed bug that I think it shouldn't be confirmed because I think there is no bug at all?
[06:28] <luisbg> it is a broken dependencies one, and checked the apt install and it didn't said anything but "yes to install"
[06:28] <Nafallo> luisbg: login to pbuilder and try to install the package? :-)
[06:29] <Toadstool> good morning MOTUs and MOTU wannabes!
[06:29] <Nafallo> Toadstool: evening :-)
[06:29] <Toadstool> hey Nafallo
[06:29] <AstralJava> Hiya Toadstool.
[06:30] <Toadstool> hi AstralJava
[06:30] <Toadstool> heh
[06:30] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:30] <Nafallo> I can prepare :-)
[06:33] <geser> luisbg: check if you use the same arch as the reporter as the broken dependency can be arch-specific (because the last upload ftbfs on this arch)
[06:33] <Toadstool> luisbg: bug number?
[06:33] <luisbg> it's edgy and any architecture
[06:33] <luisbg> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnunet-gtk/+bug/68753
[06:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68753 in gnunet-gtk "missing dependency libgmp3c2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[06:36] <geser> luisbg: this is not about a broken dependency (uninstallable package) but about a missing dependency (installable but not runable)
[06:37] <luisbg> ooooh
[06:37] <luisbg> let me check one thing then
[06:42] <luisbg> it started without problems without the "missing dependency"
[06:42] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:42] <Nafallo> how do I use grab-merge.sh? ;-)
[06:44] <geser> call it with a source package listed on merges.ubuntu.com
[06:44] <luisbg> geser, should I leave a comment that I repeated the steps of the bug submitter and had no problem at post-install?
[06:44] <Nafallo> didn't download anything :-P
[06:45] <luisbg> http://www.amyjiangsu.com/?p=21 <--- I want that shirt and sweater
[06:45] <geser> luisbg: yes, add a comment
[06:45] <Nafallo> aha!
[06:45] <luisbg> geser, ok cool
[06:48] <geser> Nafallo: I tested grab-merge.sh apt-file and it works here
[06:48] <geser> call it in a clean directory as it does rm -rf *
[06:48] <Nafallo> geser: I tried one of the manual merges that doesn't exist as a merge-report ;-)
[06:49] <luisbg> I'm clearsigning my comments at launchpad, plus writing my name and 822-date on them
[06:49] <luisbg> but now that I think about it...my name and the date appears in the title of the comment
[06:49] <luisbg> am I being dumb?
[06:51] <luisbg> feels a little redundant
[06:56] <geser> and as long as your key isn't integrated into the web of trust a signed comment doesn't gain much
[07:14] <LaserJock> hmm, this is frustrating, I can never remember which email address I signed up to a mailing list with
[07:15] <LaserJock> so I end up sending a reply with a wrong "From" and get rejected
[07:18] <imbrandon> LaserJock, yea i hate that
[07:18] <imbrandon> that one of the main reasons i've mostly tried to give out only one address and cut back on the others
[07:19] <imbrandon> sucks for spam, but if you have decient filters seems ok, i only end up with 1 or 2 messages a day in my inbox
[07:19] <LaserJock> well I separate chemistry and Ubuntu
[07:19] <LaserJock> but sometimes it's chemistry software
[07:19] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:23] <LaserJock> ok resent from right address :/
[07:24] <imbrandon> LaserJock, :)
[07:25] <imbrandon> i still have one email list i need to "fix" by re-subscribing with the correct address
[07:25] <LaserJock> well, I think I have all the mailing lists subscribed with my @ubuntu.com
[07:26] <imbrandon> yea i have all but one, infact i'm fixing that now that its on my mind
[07:26] <LaserJock> I didn't think I did with this one because it's chemistry software, but I guess I did
[07:26] <imbrandon> with @kubuntu.org
[07:26] <LaserJock> yeah, I could switch it up with @edubuntu.org ;-)
[07:26] <LaserJock> but then I'd really be in trouble
[07:27] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:27] <imbrandon> well my @kubuntu.org worked before the @ubuntu.com one did ( but does now ) never tried @xubuntu.* or @edubuntu.*
[07:29] <imbrandon> but mosty i use @imbrandon.com cept to email lists
[07:32] <Toadstool> luisbg: was libgmp3c2 already installed on your system when you tried to install gnunet-gtk?
[07:34] <Nafallo> baah
[07:35] <Nafallo> I wonder where MoM got tulip=2.0.6-4 from :-/
[07:36] <Nafallo> aha!
[07:36] <Nafallo> new binary. so probably in Debian NEW :-P
[07:37] <Toadstool> Nafallo: nope, I can't find it in NEW
[07:37] <Nafallo> baah. odd.
[07:37] <Nafallo> what happened to it then? :-P
[07:38] <Toadstool> have you checked in experimental?
[07:38] <Nafallo> p.d.o/src:tulip finds it only in testing and unstable
[07:38] <Nafallo> and that's -3
[07:38] <Toadstool> uhuh
[07:39] <Nafallo> pittis requestsync finds -4 ;-)
[07:42] <LaserJock> hmm, there is a really cool group of people building open source chemistry apps
[07:42] <Toadstool> Nafallo: p.d.o info about tulip must be outdated 'cause:
[07:42] <Toadstool> (sid)jcorbier@dedibox1:/tmp$ apt-cache showsrc tulip | grep ^Version:
[07:42] <Toadstool> Version: 2.0.6-4
[07:42] <LaserJock> but around half of the projects use Java
[07:43] <Nafallo> http://changelogs.debian.net/tulip
[07:43] <Nafallo> ah, right
[07:43] <Nafallo> uses p.d.o :-P
[07:43] <Toadstool> heh
[07:44] <LaserJock> so how Free is open source software written in Java ?
[07:44] <Nafallo> who can kick p.d.o then? ;-)
[07:46] <imbrandon> LaserJock, imho its really not as there is no opensource java from Sun ( unlike c# that many complain about that is a ecma standard )
[07:46] <imbrandon> s/not/none
[07:46] <rgl> hello
[07:46] <imbrandon> hello
[07:46] <geser> Nafallo: I usually use p.qa.d.o
[07:46] <LaserJock> imbrandon: they seem to not care as the actual software they are writing is FLOSS
[07:47] <imbrandon> LaserJock, thats all gravy, untill you try to compile or use it :)
[07:47] <Nafallo> geser: the scripts doesn't. or rather cl.d.o doesn't ;-)
[07:47] <imbrandon> i mean i certainly dont care either way, but for purist , you know
[07:48] <rgl> I would like to package http://raa.ruby-lang.org/project/daemons, can you guys help me get started?  like, point me to the docs on getting a ruby packaged
[07:48] <imbrandon> rgl, sure have you read the regular package guide ?
[07:48] <imbrandon> !package guide
[07:48] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[07:49] <imbrandon> rgl, ^^ if not theres the link
[07:49] <imbrandon> and we can try to help with specific questions
[07:49] <imbrandon> brb , soda break ( or pop for LaserJock's ears )
[07:49] <imbrandon> :)
[07:49] <LaserJock> heh
[07:49] <rgl> imbrandon, I've read the general debian maintainer guide, but I didn't find enough stuff about packing ruby programs :(
[07:50] <geser> Nafallo: in such case you can also read the new changelog entries in the "accepted" news entries on p.qa.d.o
[07:50] <Nafallo> okidoki. will try that then, thanks :-)
[07:50] <LaserJock> rgl: I'd real the Ubuntu Packaging Guide and if that's not enough get a hold of a ruby packager like lucas
[07:50] <LaserJock> s/real/read/
[07:51] <rgl> LaserJock, what is "lucas"?
[07:51] <LaserJock> lucas is a person
[07:51] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:51] <rgl> ops sorry :)
[07:51] <Nafallo> geser: doesn't have never changelog than -3 ;-)
[07:52] <rgl> LaserJock, how can I talk with him? eg, got an email?  mailing list?
[07:52] <geser> Nafallo: read the missing entries in http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/tulip/news/20061025T135544Z.html or in the diff.gz
[07:53] <LaserJock> rgl: well, he's sometimes here but https://launchpad.net/people/lucas has is contact info
[07:53] <LaserJock> *his
[07:53] <Nafallo> geser: I'll just use the output from merges.ubuntu.com then :-)
[07:53] <rgl> LaserJock, so he is the ruby guy on ubuntu?
[07:54] <LaserJock> yeah, also does a lot of ruby in Debian too
[07:54] <rgl> I see.  thanks :)
[07:56] <imbrandon> i hate election season, there is never anything good on the news ( other than stocks hitting 12k )
[07:58] <LaserJock> imbrandon: 12k? wow
[07:58] <imbrandon> yea closed over 12k the last few days last week
[07:58] <imbrandon> infact 12100+ i think atm
[07:59] <LaserJock> shesh
[07:59] <LaserJock> I'll be glad for the elections to be over too
[07:59] <LaserJock> too many ads and too many people calling me
[07:59] <imbrandon> infact by all accounts the ecconemy is rockin but bush ( maybe rightly so ) is catching hell for iraq
[08:00] <bhale> if you want to cry about iraq, at least blame congress
[08:00] <imbrandon> un-empyment is under 4% and the exchange over 12k etc
[08:00] <imbrandon> bhale, yea
[08:00] <bhale> there is more than one guy in the government, people are awfully confused over this
[08:00] <bhale> too complicated for them 3 branches of government, I guess
[08:05] <Nafallo> dudes...
[08:06] <Nafallo> do we still have that page that looks who works on what merges? :-)
[08:08] <Toadstool> Nafallo: it still exists somewhere on tiber iirc but it is not updated anymore
[08:09] <Nafallo> ah, so ppl should look on all my bugs then :-)
[08:09] <Toadstool> :)
[08:18] <imbrandon> Nafallo, heh
[08:37] <imbrandon> heh i made a feisty pbuilder a day or so ago
[08:38] <imbrandon> debbootstrap just dot updated a while ago
[08:38] <imbrandon> dunno why its not comming accross -changes though
[08:39] <imbrandon> or my subscription is messed up
[08:39] <Nafallo> infinity said the list is still moderated for the launchpad e-mails as well :-)
[08:39] <Nafallo> probably anyway
[08:40] <imbrandon> ahh
[08:40] <imbrandon> that would explain it
[08:40] <Nafallo> indeed
[08:40] <Nafallo> bddebian: start doing merges barry!! :-D
[08:40] <giskard> hi Nafallo bddebian
[08:40] <Nafallo> hi giskard :-)
[08:40] <Nafallo> bddebian: hi btw :-)
[08:40] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[08:41] <bddebian> Hello Nafallo, giskard, imbrandon
[08:41] <bddebian> Nafallo: Already?? :-)
[08:41] <Nafallo> bddebian: we can't upload them until the toolchain is bootstrapped but... ;-)
[08:41] <bddebian> Heh
[08:41] <Nafallo> bddebian: I'm filing sync-bugs :-P
[08:43] <imbrandon> Nafallo, already ? wont they auto sync ?
[08:43] <imbrandon> or you mean the ones showing up on mer lists
[08:44] <Nafallo> imbrandon: not the ones with changes we can drop :-)
[08:45] <imbrandon> ahh :)
[08:58] <superm1> Hey guys, is there anything in particular that needs to be done for a package to actually trigger an update-notifier to go off?  I've copied the update notification file into /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d, but I'm not sure what else needs to be done to trigger
[09:02] <ajmitch> morning all
[09:02] <superm1> morning ajmitch
[09:02] <tritium> Good morning, ajmitch
[09:03] <Nafallo> ajmitch: evening :-)
[09:03] <tritium> Yeah, afternoon!
[09:06] <ajmitch> nice & quiet weekend on irc
[09:07] <tritium> pftt, are you not in #ubuntu?
[09:07] <ajmitch> I ignore #ubuntu as much as possible :)
[09:07] <ajmitch> important channels for me to read are this & -devel :)
[09:07] <tritium> good time to do so, given all the upgrade troubles
[09:08] <superm1> ajmitch, do you have any ideas about my last message about update-notifier?
[09:08] <lophyte> hey superm1
[09:08] <superm1> hey lophyte
[09:08] <ajmitch> superm1: nope
[09:08] <superm1> oh :(
[09:09] <superm1> i was trying to copy the way FF did theirs, I must be missing something
[09:11] <superm1> lophyte, any news about your myth box?
[09:11] <lophyte> superm1: nope, lol
[09:11] <superm1> haha
[09:11] <lophyte> I called fedex and they said they have no record of a shipment to me on the supposed ship dates
[09:11] <superm1> i'd be flying to the states and kicking this guys butt
[09:12] <lophyte> I told my friend that, and he got all pissed off at his room mate
[09:12] <lophyte> he gave the box to his room mate to ship
[09:12] <lophyte> so I guess his room mate took off with it or something
[09:12] <superm1> are you serious?
[09:13] <lophyte> meh.. no loss for me
[09:13] <lophyte> just lost excitement :P
[09:13] <superm1> well didn't you pay him for it though?
[09:14] <lophyte> no
[09:14] <lophyte> I told him I'd pay him when he gave me the shipping cost/tracking #
[09:14] <lophyte> which he never gave me
[09:14] <superm1> oh well thats good then.
[09:14] <superm1> so whats your plan now then?
[09:14] <lophyte> I'm not sure yet.. gonna find out what's up with his room mate
[09:14] <lophyte> if not, I'll look for a box locally
[09:15] <Determinist> !w32codecs
[09:15] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:16] <superm1> well good luck with that then
[09:16] <superm1> i put a bunch of more work into the wiki since we last talked though.  and i'm starting to get feedback from people about things missing and such
[09:16] <superm1> me and vmware-player have been pretty friendly :)
[09:16] <lophyte> AWESOME
[09:16] <lophyte> er
[09:16] <lophyte> sorry, caps
[09:17] <lophyte> there's a mythtv workshop at the linuxcaffe next saturday
[09:17] <lophyte> i was thinking about going
[09:17] <superm1> oh yea?
[09:17] <superm1> wait.... a lug?
[09:17] <superm1> i know someone else going to the toronto one next week
[09:17] <lophyte> its being put on by the tlug, i think
[09:17] <superm1> yea i'm trying to get him to use edgy for it
[09:18] <lophyte> hehe
[09:18] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, ping
[09:18] <lophyte> I think they're basing most of it on knoppmyth
[09:18] <superm1> yea thats what he said, but he is pushing.  if you go, his name is Michael Macleod
[09:18] <superm1> tell him i say hello
[09:18] <lophyte> cool
[09:18] <superm1> small world :)
[09:18] <lophyte> indeed
[09:21] <superm1> only problem is knoppmyth is still .19 based right now i think
[09:21] <superm1> last i talked to cecil
[09:31] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: pong
[09:32] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, i just sent you an forwarded email
[09:32] <imbrandon> wasent sure when you would be arround :)
[09:32] <imbrandon> it was something for the next UWN
[09:33] <tritium> Another problem with knoppmyth is that it's not well-suited for installing on a sata drive
[09:35] <superm1> during a dist-upgrade from LTS to edgy, is edgy-updates going to automatically be enabled?
[09:36] <superm1> as in if something was submitted to edgy updates, people upgrading should get that update
[09:36] <imbrandon> as long as they upgrade in a recomended way , yes
[09:37] <superm1> okay, well i have a patch that resolves some mysql issues people have been having with dist-upgrades with myth installed
[09:37] <superm1> would you be able to look it over?
[09:37] <superm1> bug 68400
[09:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68400 in mythtv ""Could not install the upgrades" - installArchives() failed" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68400
[09:37] <imbrandon> it needs to go throught the SRU at this point
[09:37] <superm1> SRU?
[09:37] <imbrandon> stable release updates
[09:38] <superm1> well then what is the process for getting it pushed through SRU?
[09:38] <imbrandon> lemme find the url
[09:38] <imbrandon> !sru
[09:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sru - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:39] <imbrandon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[09:39] <superm1> ah yea just found that myself
[09:39] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: got it
[09:39] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: I am on fridge-devel as well
[09:39] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, great, wasent sure
[09:39] <imbrandon> :)
[09:39] <Burgundavia> no worries
[09:39] <superm1> thanks
[10:19] <imbrandon> rockin , got xdmcp working