| Mirv | hmm | 12:13 |
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| profoX` | How is upstart linked to teardown? is teardown integrated in upstart now? | 12:15 |
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| mrmojo | is there plans for a GUI bug reporter in feisty? | 12:17 |
| mrmojo | something like goto system --> report bug or similar, it would come up with a little program which woudl allow you to take a screenshot, add a few details and quickly publish a bug | 12:18 |
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| imbrandon | wouldent work out well as you need to search for already reported bugs similar to yours ( but most dont think about that it seems by some of the dupes ) | 12:37 |
| profoX` | imbrandon: the way kde bugreports work is that it automatically searches for possible related bugs after you type in a title and some keywords of your bug before actually writing the bugreport | 12:44 |
| profoX` | imbrandon: a gui program could also show that by using a wizard, first enter a title and some keywords, and then show possible matches.. click on a match to open the bug report in your browser.. and have a button to cancel the bugreport or to continue writing it.. | 12:46 |
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| AngryElf | what's the logic in not having specific branches of the kernel anymore? i.e. now there is just 'generic' | 12:48 |
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| mdke__ | you'll find a long thread about it on the -devel mailing list | 12:48 |
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| imbrandon | profoX`: true, if it was done right :) | 01:08 |
| profoX` | imbrandon: yes, but when's the last time we did something wrong ^^ | 01:09 |
| profoX` | j/k | 01:09 |
| imbrandon | :) | 01:09 |
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| jdong | cjwatson: what are your feelings as to -backports building against -updates? | 01:27 |
| jdong | cjwatson: for cases like bug 63452 | 01:27 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63452 in Baltix "Please backport brasero CD burning tool from Ubuntu Edgy" [Low,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63452 | 01:27 |
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| sid | elkbuntu: Do you have the results for the last Ubuntu poll? | 01:41 |
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| sladen | what's the build tool that splits off the .po files for the language packs | 02:32 |
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| Evaso2 | hi guys anybody developing launchpad is here? | 02:41 |
| sladen | Evaso2: #launchpad | 02:42 |
| Evaso2 | sladen: thanks | 02:42 |
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| Nafallo | sladen: package-strip-translations? :-) | 02:47 |
| Nafallo | pkgstriptranslations even | 02:48 |
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| sladen | nafallo: ta | 02:53 |
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| rmjb | Hello cjwatson, I'd like to get some advice on putting through an SRU for a broken universe package | 02:32 |
| Burgundavia | rmjb: which package? | 02:33 |
| rmjb | dmrid | 02:33 |
| rmjb | dmraid | 02:33 |
| Burgundavia | rmjb: file a bug with your patch attachedc | 02:34 |
| rmjb | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/68294 | 02:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 68294 in dmraid "[SRU] Freeze Exception Request for dmraid" [Medium,Unconfirmed] | 02:34 |
| rmjb | and https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/54246 | 02:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54246 in dmraid "DMRAID stopped to work in kernels > 2.6.15" [Undecided,In progress] | 02:34 |
| rmjb | the last one had the deb and source packages | 02:34 |
| rmjb | s/had/has/ | 02:35 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 02:35 |
| Burgundavia | rmjb: is dmraid completely broken? that is not clear from the bug report | 02:38 |
| rmjb | I'm not sure, I've seen two people in the forum thread say it works for them on edgy, but lots more say it doesn't | 02:39 |
| rmjb | upgrading usually works | 02:39 |
| Burgundavia | ok, in order for that SRU to pass, you need more than that | 02:39 |
| Burgundavia | detail those forum reports | 02:40 |
| rmjb | do universe SRUs follow this same process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 02:40 |
| rmjb | ? | 02:40 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 02:40 |
| Burgundavia | afaik | 02:40 |
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| Burgundavia | the rules are a little lighter because it is universe | 02:41 |
| rmjb | I'll need to file a new bug or the UVFe one is enough? | 02:41 |
| rmjb | once I get more info I can just reassign it to... mdz? | 02:41 |
| Burgundavia | the latter, no idea | 02:42 |
| Burgundavia | the one you have it probably good enough | 02:42 |
| Burgundavia | just change the title | 02:42 |
| Burgundavia | oh wait, you have already done that | 02:42 |
| rmjb | it's that next step that has me confused | 02:42 |
| Burgundavia | which one? | 02:42 |
| rmjb | dholbach did | 02:42 |
| Burgundavia | the actual SRU? | 02:42 |
| rmjb | what to do now... has be confused | 02:42 |
| rmjb | yeah | 02:42 |
| Burgundavia | you at the SRU page? | 02:43 |
| rmjb | yep | 02:43 |
| Burgundavia | in the propose stage | 02:43 |
| Burgundavia | you have a bug number | 02:43 |
| Burgundavia | you need a better statement about impact | 02:43 |
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| Burgundavia | ie: edgy's dmraid doesn't work | 02:43 |
| Burgundavia | period | 02:43 |
| Burgundavia | here are the people that have tried it | 02:44 |
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| Burgundavia | rmjb: here is what I would also do | 02:47 |
| Burgundavia | rmjb: get the latest dmraid into feisty | 02:47 |
| Burgundavia | asap | 02:47 |
| rmjb | feisty is out?? | 02:47 |
| Burgundavia | archives are open | 02:47 |
| Burgundavia | no idea about general uploading | 02:47 |
| rmjb | need to talk to an motu to get it in there then | 02:48 |
| Burgundavia | but back to the SRU | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: toolchain is still building. general uploads next week or so, was the guess | 02:49 |
| Burgundavia | Hobbsee: ah | 02:49 |
| Burgundavia | rmjb: anyway, you have about 50% of what you need for the propose phase | 02:50 |
| Burgundavia | of course, IANAUD | 02:50 |
| rmjb | I'm going to link to the thread that has the users' reports: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=266807 | 02:50 |
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| rmjb_ | dmraid was broken for 8 users in the thread | 02:58 |
| rmjb_ | Burgundavia: I've updated the SRU bug, should I assign it to an SRU team? | 03:08 |
| Burgundavia | rmjb_: no idea | 03:08 |
| rmjb_ | yeah... me neither... the report looks better now? | 03:09 |
| rmjb_ | #68294 | 03:09 |
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| Fujitsu | rmjb: motu-uvf is the team for SRUS. | 03:23 |
| Fujitsu | *SRUs | 03:23 |
| rmjb | so it's at the right assignee then... cool | 03:24 |
| Flk | mjg59: heard ur had a night of drunken debuachery yesterday lol :P | 03:25 |
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| rmjb | hello I'm looking for advice on packaging a java app | 05:04 |
| rmjb | I have the dependency to java-gcj-compat-dev right now, is that right? | 05:04 |
| rmjb | or can it be replaced with something "slimmer"? | 05:04 |
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| Burgundavia | rmjb: you need to talk to doko | 05:16 |
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| rmjb | thanks Burgundavia | 05:23 |
| Burgundavia | no worries | 05:23 |
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| ukubuntu | If feisty is to be more about integrating multimedia, is it going to include codecs etc? I notice that Freespire, a derivative of lispire has these in its core install, but I do not know how they got around the legal aspect of codecs in non-proprietary software | 12:01 |
| Hobbsee | include codecs? no. maybe download them from somewhere | 12:02 |
| bhale | the only way to distribute most codecs legally is to obtain a paid license | 12:02 |
| mdke | ukubuntu: the idea is to make them easier to install | 12:02 |
| apokryphos | like ximian team did with helix | 12:02 |
| mdke | semi-automatically | 12:03 |
| ukubuntu | Ok, I know I use easybuntu to help at the moment, | 12:03 |
| mdke | hopefully even easier than that | 12:03 |
| bhale | fluendo, the company behind gstreamer, is working on license-able plugins for gstreamer | 12:03 |
| bhale | for a small fee | 12:03 |
| ukubuntu | kewl :) | 12:03 |
| bhale | they are giving away an mp3 decoder | 12:04 |
| ukubuntu | I see. | 12:04 |
| ukubuntu | Obviously the ultimate is to make it real easy for the non-tech user if possible | 12:04 |
| ukubuntu | And just a quick thanks to all involved in Ubuntu, it continues to astound me :) | 12:06 |
| bhale | rock on | 12:06 |
| ukubuntu | I am sure you have heard it before, but it does not hurt to reiterate :D | 12:06 |
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| Czubek | when is planned to unfreeze feisty? | 12:21 |
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| Hobbsee | Czubek: a week after the last person asked | 12:27 |
| Czubek | Hobbsee: 5 XI? | 12:28 |
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| fabbione | Czubek: when the toolchain is ready | 01:05 |
| Czubek | fabbione: What? | 01:06 |
| Czubek | fabbione: You mean something like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyToolchainRoadmap?highlight=%28toolchain%29 | 01:09 |
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| fabbione | Czubek: i mean new kernel, new glibc, new binutils, new gcc | 01:10 |
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| fabbione | and a test rebuild of the archive before we open the gates | 01:10 |
| Czubek | Yes, so it's written on wiki, thanks. | 01:11 |
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| Czubek | Is, there any wiki for this specification: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/network-roaming ? Or should I create one from template? | 01:22 |
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| mark | what's the best way to preseed/skip all the "detect keyboard layout" bits in Edgy? | 03:08 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 03:10 |
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| shackan | uh oh, it.archive.ubuntu.com seems down | 03:47 |
| mark | and kr.* is not very stable... | 03:52 |
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| highvoltage | hi. I can't find the ubuntu manifesto on the website. does it still exist? | 04:15 |
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| gnomefreak | is it safe to remove libc6 to install the right version as long as you dont reboot? | 04:43 |
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| yacoob | gnomefreak, I think it would be, as long as you do it in one go. Any new process created in between will fail. | 04:45 |
| yacoob | And because dpkg launches scripts... the answer is no I think :) | 04:46 |
| gnomefreak | ok ty | 04:46 |
| Amaranth | gnomefreak: yeah, you don't want to remove libc6 :P | 04:47 |
| Amaranth | i wonder how dpkg manages to upgrade it | 04:47 |
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| tfheen | it unpacks it with .dpkg-new appended to the name, then renames it afterwards. | 04:47 |
| Amaranth | ah | 04:48 |
| Amaranth | i figured it was something like that | 04:48 |
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| cjwatson | mark: preseed console-setup/layoutcode to the layout name (X-style), and if you want a keyboard variant, preseed console-setup/variantname too | 05:37 |
| cjwatson | mark: sorry, make that console-setup/variantcode | 05:38 |
| madduck | after dapper, you guys snapshotted sid; when did this happen, and under what conditions did you import new versions from sid to fix problems, and until when? | 05:38 |
| cjwatson | madduck: after every release, we merge everything from Debian; this process is continuous until upstream version freeze | 05:40 |
| cjwatson | (see EdgyReleaseSchedule in this specific case) | 05:40 |
| cjwatson | madduck: after UVF, we take new versions as it seems appropriate. Shortly after UVF, it's generally quite lenient, getting stricter as we approach release | 05:41 |
| cjwatson | the release team apply common sense | 05:41 |
| yacoob | hm | 05:42 |
| yacoob | linux lacks something like growl for mac osx | 05:42 |
| tfheen | yacoob: what is growl? | 05:43 |
| yacoob | tfheen, pop-up system. One demon to display them, any application can register and throw message to be displayed | 05:43 |
| yacoob | various styles, fully configurable | 05:43 |
| yacoob | it gained critical mass, so most of the apps already come with growl support | 05:44 |
| tfheen | yacoob: like, the notification daemon? | 05:44 |
| yacoob | something like that I think. | 05:44 |
| tfheen | which lives in.. the notification-daemon package. :-P | 05:44 |
| shackan | notification-daemon is already there.. | 05:44 |
| Arador | it's something done by apple, or a third-party app? | 05:44 |
| yacoob | Arador, third party | 05:45 |
| yacoob | shackan, the thing is, not enough support. Still :) | 05:45 |
| tfheen | I have plenty enough of notifications, thankyouverymuch. | 05:45 |
| Amaranth | indeed, i get too many as it is :P | 05:50 |
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| MrKeuner | hi, what else do I need other than build-essential in order to create deb packages? | 06:25 |
| cjwatson | the build-dependencies of the package in question | 06:25 |
| MrKeuner | dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory | 06:25 |
| MrKeuner | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is | 06:25 |
| MrKeuner | why do I get these? | 06:25 |
| cjwatson | once you have build-essential installed, you can run 'dpkg-checkbuilddeps' in an unpacked source package to see what's missing, or use 'apt-get build-dep <package>' | 06:25 |
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| cjwatson | MrKeuner: because you haven't cd'ed to the right directory | 06:26 |
| cjwatson | assuming you just unpacked a source package and are trying to build it | 06:26 |
| cjwatson | if you're trying to create your own package, then you need to read more :-) | 06:26 |
| MrKeuner | I am trying to compile amyedit, unpacking it and entering the directory with configure script etc. and then running dh_make && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 06:27 |
| jdong | cjwatson: would you object to Backports compiling against -updates in addition to -backports? | 06:27 |
| cjwatson | MrKeuner: then you need to read more documentation about creating packages | 06:28 |
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| cjwatson | dh_make is not intended to be used without manually checking its output | 06:28 |
| cjwatson | it's not entirely automagic | 06:28 |
| cjwatson | jdong: I don't think so, no | 06:28 |
| jdong | cjwatson: where should I go to further advance this proposal? | 06:28 |
| cjwatson | jdong: talk to infinity | 06:29 |
| jdong | ok | 06:29 |
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| MrKeuner | hmm, dh_make output says that: Could not find amyedit_1.0.orig.tar.gz can that be due to missing packages to be installed? | 06:30 |
| MrKeuner | Or OK could you direct me to a good resource for self compilers | 06:30 |
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| simira | cjwatson: the people wants photos of your labraweiler! | 06:41 |
| Treenaks | s/the people/simira/ | 06:42 |
| Treenaks | :P | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | !package guide | 06:43 |
| mc44 | hmm would it be a good idea to tell people "no, bad user" if they try and apt-get dist-upgrade | 06:43 |
| imbrandon | hum dosent work in here, MrKeuner "/msg ubotu package guide" for the url | 06:43 |
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| madduck | cjwatson: why did you guys then stay with mdadm 2.4.1-6 or edgy, and not follow the 2.5 chain? because of the one-month-in-experimental period? | 06:53 |
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| madduck | i think my work of the last 4 months fixes many of your raid problems with edgy... | 06:54 |
| madduck | anyway, i better call it a night. | 06:54 |
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| jordi | does anyone know of cases of ubuntu not going back one hour last night? | 07:01 |
| Treenaks | no | 07:03 |
| Treenaks | maybe if people set the wrong time zone.. | 07:03 |
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| ajmitch | morning all | 08:10 |
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| aragorn_elessar | hi at all! | 08:29 |
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| aragorn_elessar | it's normal that the "disks" entry is absent in the System-->Administration menu of edgy ? | 08:31 |
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| Seveas | aragorn_elessar, this channel is not for support | 08:46 |
| Seveas | try #ubuntu | 08:46 |
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| cjwatson_ | simira: once I find the camera :-) | 09:39 |
| cjwatson_ | madduck: we'll take it in feisty. Mostly, we eyeballed it post-UVF and it just seemed to have too high a volume of changes that we didn't have the in-house expertise to review accurately and which might well have required consequent changes elsewhere | 09:40 |
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| amnezia | having found some issues while upgrading to edgy, should I file bugs against something or should I talk to someone first about those? | 09:50 |
| tepsipakki | amnezia: look for duplicates first | 09:52 |
| elmo | ugh - we ended up releasing with an ndiswrapper-utils in edgy that's << dapper? | 09:56 |
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| cjwatson | elmo: I couldn't see any way to fix it | 09:58 |
| cjwatson | given the Depends generated by the module source in dapper | 09:59 |
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| tfheen | cjwatson: we could have transitioned the -utils package to be generated by ndiswrapper-utils1.8? | 10:01 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: AIUI the module source package in dapper produced binaries that had a tight << Depends on ndiswrapper-utils which shafted us | 10:01 |
| tfheen | gnr, og | 10:02 |
| tfheen | ok, even | 10:02 |
| cjwatson | I don't remember all the details now (they were really slippery) but I looked at it at the time and couldn't see anything remotely sane to do :( | 10:02 |
| tfheen | ok | 10:02 |
| cjwatson | aside from "document and pray we never run into this again" | 10:02 |
| tfheen | can we do anything remotely sane for feisty? | 10:02 |
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| cjwatson | it shouldn't be a problem for feisty any more? | 10:03 |
| cjwatson | well, apart from the lingering future problem of dapper->next-LTS upgrades, but I was hoping we could just teach the dist-upgrader to do the downgrade if necessary | 10:03 |
| tfheen | yeah, that's doable | 10:03 |
| cjwatson | ndiswrapper-utils is supposed to be transitional now and will eventually go away, I'm told | 10:03 |
| tfheen | (we do it for some compiz bits, at least) | 10:03 |
| cjwatson | that's for the benefit of unofficial repositories, but yeah | 10:04 |
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| elmo | should I file a bug about it so we don't forget? | 10:08 |
| tfheen | elmo: yes, please. And milestone it "later" so we don't end up forgetting | 10:08 |
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| cjwatson | elmo: for what, the dist-upgrader? | 10:08 |
| elmo | cjwatson: yeah | 10:08 |
| cjwatson | IIRC it's already in mvo's branch (he tried to upload it before freeze but there were too many other changes and it got refused), but sure | 10:09 |
| cjwatson | IIRC is not necessarily reliable of course | 10:09 |
| elmo | err, heh | 10:09 |
| elmo | bug 45550 | 10:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 45550 in ndiswrapper "Broken dependency of kernel module" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/45550 | 10:10 |
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| cjwatson | yow | 10:10 |
| cjwatson | heh, so nobody could've been using those modules anyway | 10:10 |
| cjwatson | whoops | 10:10 |
| cjwatson | 33 "later" bugs - eek | 10:11 |
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| tfheen | cjwatson: that's not too bad, really. | 10:12 |
| elmo | reported as bug 69158 in any event | 10:14 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 69158 in ndiswrapper "ndiswrapper-utils downgraded from dapper" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69158 | 10:14 |
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| elmo | (hmm, I wish there was a way to hyperlink bugs in malone..) | 10:14 |
| tfheen | I think it linkifies "bug #1234" | 10:15 |
| Ubugtu | Bug 1234 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/1234 is private | 10:15 |
| tfheen | heh | 10:15 |
| elmo | haha, that's a great bug too | 10:16 |
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| kingos | hello, is there a plan to release a new version of binutils for edgy? I am a c++ developer, and there is an important bug in binutils (3111) that makes edgy almost unuseable for development ... | 10:38 |
| tfheen | kingos: uh, which bug is that? | 10:40 |
| tfheen | bug 3111 is about something else entirely | 10:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 3111 in launchpad-buildd "Use gzip python library instead of sys call for compressing buildlogs" [Medium,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/3111 | 10:40 |
| Chipzz | kingos: weird that the buildd's don't have much trouble building c++ packages then? | 10:42 |
| kingos | tfheen: binutils 3111 | 10:43 |
| kingos | Chipzz: only if linking with -g | 10:43 |
| kingos | Chipzz: ie. development! | 10:43 |
| Chipzz | kingos: that's what the buildd's do, yes | 10:43 |
| kingos | http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-binutils@gnu.org/msg02052.html | 10:44 |
| kingos | I am seeing that bug and it is super annoying ... linking took 5 seconds on dapper, 3-4 minutes on edgy | 10:45 |
| tfheen | "ld being slow" isn't something we'd issue an update for, no. | 10:45 |
| kingos | argh | 10:45 |
| kingos | so what are my options? | 10:45 |
| tfheen | use the dapper binutils? | 10:45 |
| Chipzz | being patient? :P | 10:46 |
| kingos | tfheen: can I force install an old binutils or something? won't that break everything? | 10:47 |
| tfheen | kingos: why would that break anything? Just downgrade. | 10:47 |
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| kingos | tfheen: thanks | 10:50 |
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| madduck | cjwatson: fair enough. i'll look at mdadm with fabbione for feisty. I agree that 2.5 had too many changes, I spent a shitload of time on it. :) | 11:55 |
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