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cbx33LaserJock, !!!12:18
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paolobHi guys! Is the page https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdgyReleaseNotes correct? In order to upgrade to dapper we had to rebuild the ltsp chroot. Now nothing is said about that02:35
paolobhas it been integrated in the apt-get dist-upgrade process?02:36
LaserJockI think perhaps it's included in the new LTSP02:37
LaserJockbut I'm not positive about that02:37
paolobogra, isn't here?02:38
LaserJockit's the middle of the night in Germany02:38
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fregomtI'm thinking about building a server to run Edubuntu 6.10.  I'm considering an AMD Opteron (64bit).  I would have a mix of 32bit and 64 bit thin clients. Is this a problem?  Do you do a 32bit install on the 64 bit server? 02:40
LaserJockI don't think you have to02:41
fregomtcool.. any problems with the 64bit version?  I've heard of some difficulties getting some things to work under 64bit, though I'm currently only running a 32bit with regular Ubuntu02:42
LaserJockwell, in general the issues with 64bit Ubuntu are multimedia codecs and flash02:42
fregomtahhh... so if I'm running a 32bit thin client it boots a different image than the 64 bit server... and I wouldn't have that problem I assume?02:44
fregomtAnd for that matter if I should add a 64 bit thin client, I could have it boot the 32bit image too and avoid that problem, right?02:44
LaserJockI'm really not sure but I know the client chroots can be a separate arch then the server02:46
fregomtya, I think you're right.  I guess I need to bite the bullet and try edubuntu.02:46
fregomtEither that or find a good howto for adding LTSP to regular Ubuntu.02:47
fregomtas I really don't care about all the education software.  (Learning is for foolz!)02:47
LaserJockyeah, it's pretty easy to go either way02:49
fregomtcool, thanks Laser.02:50
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sbalneavEvening everyone!03:06
sbalneav!seen ogra03:06
ubotuogra is on IRC right now!03:06
sbalneavedubuntugirl: seen ogra03:06
edubuntugirlogra was last seen on #edubuntu 2 days, 10 hours, 3 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: we'll need something like a config file or even an lts.conf parameter that defines which apps are local apps and which are run on the server [Fri Oct 27 18:02:05 2006] 03:06
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lguerrahi all03:12
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lguerraogra, ping03:33
lguerraogra: in ubuntu-es an edubuntu user, have problems with dhcpd, inittab dont exist and dhcpd ask for this file03:34
sbalneavlguerra: inittab doesn't exist?03:36
sbalneavIs this a new edubuntu install?  Or an upgrade?03:37
lguerranew install sbalneav 03:37
sbalneavI'll join the channel, but someone will have to translate. :)03:38
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)03:40
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dibblegocan you upgrade 6.06 to 6.10 with the live or install CD?03:45
sbalneavInstall, I believe03:46
dibblegoah thanks03:46
bimberiyep, install CD only03:48
dibblegorighto cheers03:48
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lguerrasbalneav, thanks, i dont have idea what feruchi do, but all its ok for him03:57
sbalneavI bet he was picking up another ltsp server.03:58
sbalneavMy suspicion is, he'll have problems again :)03:58
sbalneavThat's why I'll hang around :)03:58
lguerrasbalneav, Edubuntu LTSP documentation where is?03:59
sbalneavI'm working on some of it now.03:59
sbalneavIt's on the edubuntu svn repository04:00
lguerrasbalneav, if EC considers convenient, I would be able to translate this al Spanish when this list04:00
sbalneavBoth a Spanish and a Portugese translation would be awesome.  We get a lot of LTSP users from South America, and all I can speak is a little French, and not very well at that :)04:01
lguerrasbalneav, I continued entering to #edubuntu, and I am working with #edubuntu-is, the unico problem is that itself be not to handled svn; but I would be able to collaborate with that translation04:04
sbalneavreally, the doco should move to a bzr style repository.04:04
lguerrawhat is that?04:06
sbalneavShort for documentation04:06
lguerrai read about svn for begin to translate 04:08
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^Ghost2Uhi all!04:29
^Ghost2Uhaving probs with edgy.. 2x thin client not finding dhcp server (edubuntu default install)04:30
^Ghost2Udoes edgy install and activate the ltsp packages like breezy, or do I need to perform additional steps?04:32
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sbalneav^Ghost2U: Edubuntu should install and activate by default.04:34
sbalneavDo you have 2 network cards in the server, or one?04:34
^Ghost2Uhi sb: only one... 04:34
^Ghost2Uit's not my default gateway04:35
sbalneavAre there any other dhcpd servers running on your network?04:35
^Ghost2Uonly this edubuntu box04:36
^Ghost2UM$ gets ip from it, but 2x doesn't04:36
sbalneavYou don't have a cable or dsl router handing out dhcp addrsses?04:37
^Ghost2Unot on this network04:37
sbalneavok, what kind of thin clients are they? Old machines?04:37
^Ghost2Unot really04:37
^Ghost2Up4- 2.8GB... worked with breezy setup before04:38
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sbalneavok, what's the ip address of the server?  And can you paste the dhcpd.conf file from /etc/ltsp to the pastebin04:39
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)04:39
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sbalneavWhat's the link?04:46
sbalneavMy mental telepathy's down today.04:47
bimberic'mon sbalneav, lift your game ;p04:49
^Ghost2Usb: sorry... trying something04:50
^Ghost2Uwhats the command for restarting dhcp??04:51
sbalneavinvoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart04:51
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^Ghost2Usb: it was my dhcp settings for ltsp04:54
PurpleBlueWhen I used stock Totem Moivie player, to play a standard .mp3 from web, it says I need codec.  Is this normal?04:55
bimberiPurpleBlue: yes, mp3 is a patent encumbered format, and hence not installed by default in (ed)ubuntu04:57
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats04:57
^Ghost2Uhaleluja!!! (or something like that) They finally got local sound working on clients04:58
sbalneavYup, we did.04:59
sbalneavOgra and I will be speccing out the next step, replacing esd with pulseaudio, at mountainview05:00
PurpleBlueUbotu, thank you.  Good info!05:01
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PurpleBlueWhat is LTS backpors?05:05
^Ghost2Usb: to all of you hard working ppl -- Thanks :D05:05
Amaranthsbalneav: I'll have to be there for that one :)05:06
^Ghost2Uany suggestions afa thin h/w?? (helping a broke parochial school setup a lab)05:08
PurpleBlueI am just trying to figure out what repositories should/should not be enable in synaptic package manager05:08
^Ghost2U(maybe broke is too strong, financially struggling)05:08
sbalneav^Ghost2U: lots of old machines will work.  Depending on where you are, there's lots of values to be had on ebay, or at local swap shops.05:12
sbalneavAnything with a 200mhz processor, and 32-64 megs of memory will make a great thin client.05:13
^Ghost2Usbalneav: Thanks, I'm also considering actual thin client boxes.. (a donation, my son's school)05:15
^Ghost2Usbalneav: not sure they're still around.. cannot connect05:19
PurpleBlueDid I mess up?  sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg g streamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plug ins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extra codecs05:21
PurpleBlueE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able)05:21
PurpleBlueE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?05:21
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sbalneav^Ghost2U: I know they're still around, site's just down temporarily.05:22
bimberiPurpleBlue: close synaptic05:22
LaserJockhi sbalneav 05:22
sbalneavPurpleBlue: It might just be doing an update at the moment05:23
sbalneavHey LaserJock!05:23
sbalneavMV getting closer!05:23
nixternalhola edubuntu, how many of you installed automatix or easyubuntu and broke your system doing a dist-upgrade to edgy?05:23
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nixternal:D  <- here's to you!05:23
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LaserJocksbalneav: yes it is05:23
bimberinixternal: such empathy ;)05:24
sbalneavnixternal: Is that what the issue is?05:24
nixternal99.9% of the time it is05:24
nixternalbecause of all that binary non-meta, script cr4p05:24
PurpleBluebimberi, I closed synaptic, and did same sudo line and it says, "Reading package lists... Done05:24
PurpleBlueBuilding dependency tree... Done05:24
PurpleBlueE: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.10-pitfdll05:24
nixternalmultiverse enabling is needed05:24
nixternalhrmm, universe enabling rather05:25
PurpleBlueI checked all repositories prior.05:25
sbalneavAre the automatix or easyubuntu people 'fessing up? or staying suspiciously silent? :)05:25
nixternalstaying silent05:25
nixternalthat is why Ubuntu said no to utilizing it05:26
nixternaland instead want to incorporate everything, or close to everything that automatix does, just with viable metapackages05:26
sbalneavheh, isn't stopping Ubuntu from getting blamed :)05:26
nixternalit never does05:26
LaserJockof course not05:26
bimberiPurpleBlue: put your sources.list on a pastebin05:26
bimberiPurpleBlue: and tell us the link05:27
nixternalfunny thing is, we, we being the Ubuntu community, get the same type of blaming and finger pointing that other super successful companies get, such as microsoft05:27
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nixternalyesterday was Ubuntu Chicago LoCo meeting, and we had a ton of people who up, who were fed up with Ubuntu because of Edgy dist-upgrades, granted some didn't use automatix and what not, but still broke their computer...05:28
nixternalmostly due to binary nvidia or ati drivers, which is expected05:28
sbalneavAnyone heard this one? after edgy update, (otherwise successful) Launch firefox, it says "theres aready one running", when there isn't.  I've wiped out /tmp, and even deleted my .mozilla dir.  Still no joy. 05:28
nixternalthat is why i don't use binary or ati drivers, if it isn't in the repos, and i must have it...it must be an amazing program05:29
crimsunsbalneav: does purging and reinstalling firefox resolve that?05:29
nixternals/binary or ati/binary nvidia or ati05:29
sbalneavHavn't tried that yet.05:29
sbalneavSo, I wonder where the root cause of the muckups are, with the upgrades.  It'd be nice to say to people, "here, fix this, this, and this before upgrades", because I don't think telling people "no, sorry, no codecs for you" is a solution.05:30
PurpleBluebimberi, how I do that?05:31
sbalneavPersonally, I think the codec part, at least, should be adopted by Ubuntu.05:31
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)05:31
LaserJocksbalneav: it is05:32
PurpleBlueI know what pastebin is.  I am speaking about locating the file source.list so I can post that info.05:32
bimberiPurpleBlue: ^^05:32
LaserJockat least getting close05:32
bimberiPurpleBlue: oh sorry05:32
bimberiPurpleBlue: /etc/apt/sources.list05:32
LaserJocksbalneav: I did a fresh install the other day and when I went to go play an .mp3 it offered to install the needed packages05:32
LaserJocksbalneav: took like 10 s and it did it all05:32
PurpleBluebimberi, located it.  Now what is the comman in terminal to dislplay a files contents?05:34
bimberiPurpleBlue: do a 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list' 05:36
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PurpleBluebimberi, back.  Computer frooze for no reason.  Then it went to a 30 boot check .  And forced me to do a fsck then it rebooted, erorred again, then rebooted a 2nd time and let me back in.05:45
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PurpleBluebimberi, pastebin is not working.       Waiting, Waiting, waiting..  05:51
PurpleBluedeb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse05:52
PurpleBluedeb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse05:52
PurpleBluedeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted05:52
PurpleBluedeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted05:52
PurpleBluedeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security universe05:52
PurpleBluedeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security universe05:52
PurpleBluedeb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted05:54
PurpleBlue   deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted05:54
PurpleBluedeb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted05:54
PurpleBluedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe main restricted05:54
PurpleBluedeb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe05:54
PurpleBlueBimberi, I check all repositories in synaptic.05:55
bimberiPurpleBlue: what was the package with the error again?06:03
bimberiPurpleBlue: gstreamer0.10-pitfdll ?  (unfortunately i've lost the backscroll with the disconnect)06:06
bimberi!info gstreamer0.10-pitfdll06:06
ubotugstreamer0.10-pitfdll: GStreamer plugin for using MS Windows binary codecs. In component universe, is optional. Version (edgy), package size 79 kB, installed size 260 kB (Only available for i386)06:06
PurpleBluesame here, I got rebooted06:06
bimberi!info gstreamer0.10-pitfdll dapper06:07
ubotugstreamer0.10-pitfdll: GStreamer plugin for using MS Windows binary codecs. In component multiverse, is optional. Version (dapper), package size 79 kB, installed size 260 kB (Only available for i386)06:07
bimberiah ha, it's in multiverse in dapper06:07
bimberiPurpleBlue: you need to add multiverse to all lines that have universe on them06:07
PurpleBluei copied it back in and now it says.  sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs06:07
PurpleBlueE: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.06:07
PurpleBlueI have no idea what I am doing now.   :(06:08
bimberiPurpleBlue: try 'sudo apt-get -f install'06:08
sbalneavHow in the heck did I ever get along without the deskbar applet?06:09
PurpleBluesudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs06:09
PurpleBlueE: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.06:09
sbalneavEspecially since I can python script my own!06:09
PurpleBluesudo apt-get -f install06:09
PurpleBlueE: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.06:09
bimberiPurpleBlue: righto06:09
bimberiPurpleBlue: 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'06:09
PurpleBluesudo dpkg --configure -a06:10
PurpleBluedpkg: error processing dia-libs (--configure):06:10
PurpleBlue Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should06:10
PurpleBlue reinstall it before attempting configuration.06:10
PurpleBluedpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of dia-gnome:06:10
PurpleBlue dia-gnome depends on dia-common (= 0.95.0-4ubuntu1~dapper1); however:06:10
PurpleBlue  Version of dia-common on system is 0.94.0-17.1ubuntu3.06:10
PurpleBlue dia-gnome depends on dia-libs (= 0.95.0-4ubuntu1~dapper1); however:06:10
PurpleBlue  Package dia-libs is not configured yet.06:10
PurpleBluedpkg: error processing dia-gnome (--configure):06:10
PurpleBlue dependency problems - leaving unconfigured06:10
PurpleBlueErrors were encountered while processing:06:10
PurpleBlue dia-libs06:10
PurpleBlue dia-gnome06:10
bimberiPurpleBlue: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure dia-libs'06:11
bimberiPurpleBlue: and paste a bit more selectively please :)06:11
PurpleBluesudo dpkg-reconfigure dia-libs06:11
PurpleBlue/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: dia-libs is broken or not fully installed06:11
bimberiPurpleBlue: sudo apt-get install --reinstall dia-libs06:12
PurpleBluebimberi, no says unmet dependcies. 06:13
bimberiPurpleBlue: what dependencies?06:13
PurpleBluesudo apt-get install --reinstall dia-libs06:13
PurpleBlueReading package lists... Done06:13
PurpleBlueBuilding dependency tree... Done06:13
PurpleBlueYou might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:06:13
PurpleBlueThe following packages have unmet dependencies:06:13
PurpleBlue  dia-gnome: Depends: dia-common (= 0.95.0-4ubuntu1~dapper1) but 0.94.0-17.1ubuntu3 is to be installed06:13
PurpleBlueE: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).06:13
PurpleBlueBimberi, can you just like remote desktop over and I give you control?06:15
bimberiPurpleBlue: ok, this pastebin seems to work - http://pastebin.ca/ - please put your sources.list on there06:15
bimberiPurpleBlue: not atm, i'm on very slow dialup06:15
bimberiPurpleBlue: do you need the backports repositories?06:20
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tensorhello, i've setup an edubuntu with ltsp 06:22
PurpleBlueI dont know what backports where, and I asked in the channel and no one responded. So before I went to update Totem I enable all repositories to be sure.06:22
tensori can successfully connect from a desktop client, however, my laptop can't seem to connect and dies while "mounting the root filesystem...."06:22
tensorplease help!06:23
bimberiPurpleBlue: ok, i would comment them out (lines 25,26), change line 15 to have "us.archive.ubuntu.com" and add multiverse to all lines with universe on them (lines 15,16,30,31)06:23
bimberiPurpleBlue: save the file and run 'sudo apt-get update', then see if "sudo apt-get -f install" works06:24
PurpleBluebimberi is ebuntu usually this much of a head ache?06:24
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bimberiPurpleBlue: depends :)  no, i'm kidding, it isn't usually06:25
PurpleBluebimberi, that what it my deal?  I am I just a ex Winblows dumb ass?06:25
bimberiPurpleBlue: in your case there does seems to be some issues with how dia has been installed\06:26
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tensorbimberi, thanks anyway :D06:28
PurpleBluelike tihs? deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse universe main restricted06:29
bimberiPurpleBlue: yep06:30
PurpleBlueNow how do I save the file since it is read only?06:31
bimberiPurpleBlue: did you use 'sudo gedit ...' ?06:31
bimberiPurpleBlue: if not, run that from another terminal and copy/paste across06:32
PurpleBlueno, I used nautilus and click on the file06:32
bimberiPurpleBlue: ok, leave that open and do this ...06:32
PurpleBlueis this better? before I save it http://pastebin.ca/22867306:33
bimberialt-F2 (opens a Run Application window) and use it to run the command:  sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list06:33
bimberioh, nvm :)06:33
PurpleBlueI deleted those 2 backport lines like you wanted06:34
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bimberiPurpleBlue: yes that looks good06:35
PurpleBlueI did sudo gedit and saved06:36
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bimberiPurpleBlue: great, now run 'sudo apt-get update', then see if "sudo apt-get -f install" works06:37
PurpleBlueReading package lists... Done06:38
PurpleBlueW: Duplicate sources.list entry http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages)06:38
PurpleBlueW: Duplicate sources.list entry http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper-security_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages)06:38
PurpleBlueW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems06:38
PurpleBluem@m-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get -f install06:38
PurpleBlueReading package lists... Done06:38
PurpleBlueBuilding dependency tree... Done06:38
PurpleBlueE: The package dia-libs needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.06:38
bimberiPurpleBlue: whatthe? i can't see that duplicate entry06:39
bimberi... on the pastebin06:40
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bimberi!info dia-libs dapper06:42
ubotudia-libs: Diagram editor (library files). In component main, is optional. Version 0.94.0-17.1ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 535 kB, installed size 1668 kB06:42
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highvoltageedubuntugirl: morning07:05
edubuntugirlsalut, highvoltage!07:05
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edubuntugirlhello cbx33 :)10:20
cbx33hello edubuntugirl 10:22
edubuntugirlheya, cbx33!10:22
cbx33anyone know what this is about Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed10:22
highvoltagecbx33: where do you get that message?10:27
cbx33when I run an init script10:28
cbx33for mythtv backend10:28
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cbx33highvoltage: any thoughts?10:53
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highvoltagecbx33: well, it complains about authentication. do you know what it might be trying to authentcate against?11:00
highvoltagecbx33: if you can find that out, then you could check the logs of the appropriate service11:00
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ograit tries to run any kind of X app on a X DISPLAY thats not owned by that user11:02
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highvoltageogra: good morning. has someone responded to CatherineCapers? should I?11:18
ograif you like to11:18
ogratell him that NBD_SWAP is enabled by default on new installs ;)11:19
ograand point to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT :)11:19
highvoltageok, thanks for the tips11:19
highvoltageI thought it was strange that his NDB wasn't enabled.11:20
highvoltageedubuntugirl: nat11:20
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: I'm not following you...11:20
ograwell, might be an upgrade problem ...11:20
ograi didnt see it here, but you never know11:20
highvoltageedubuntugirl: nat is <reply> For NAT on an Edubuntu Server, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT11:21
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: daar's hy11:21
highvoltageeek, edubuntugirl still knows some Afrikaans :)11:21
ograever heard of http://www.2x.com/11:21
ograthey seem to reimplement NX11:23
ograbased on the free parts of the NX code11:23
highvoltageit seemed very similar to nx last time I looked11:23
ograwhat i hope is that they reimplement it without the broken evil parts :)11:24
highvoltagethat would be cool.11:24
highvoltagethey currently boot using pxes, would be nice if they could use an ubuntu base one day. the ubuntu ltsp chroot is quite close to pxes these days, isn't it?11:25
ograwell, i'd love to package it if they have gotten rid of the xlibs duplication issues11:25
ograi'll look into it 11:25
ograwould be nice to have optional NX support in ltsp11:26
highvoltagethere seems to be demand for it especially in the richer countries where people want to log in to their session at school from home.11:46
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pips1On the weekend, I finally managed to do an server upgrade test. During the upgrade, I was asked some questions. I don't think normal users really know what to choose, so it would be great to document this somewhere... 12:15
pips1I was asked 1. Replace /etc/login.defs 2. What would you like to do about exports? /etc/exports 3. Replace etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf' 12:17
ogra3 is intresting12:18
ogradid you say yes ?12:18
pips1I chose 1. Replace it 2. Keep it (since the new version only added some stuff in commented lines) 3. Replace it. However, I don't know if these were actually the right choices. I need to test the server more.. but so far, the system seems to run quite ok. (Printing doesn't seem to work)12:19
ogradid you set it up in lts.conf ?12:21
pips1Note, for "3. Replace etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf", I chose replace it, but then I had to manually change the IP addresses in dhcpd.conf again, since my setup uses on the server, rather than 192.168.0.x... (with only *one* NIC)12:21
ograit doesnt work out of the box12:22
pips1Did I set up what in lts.conf? I didn't touch lts.conf so far, I think..12:22
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ograwell, oyu need to set up printing like in classic ltsp12:23
ograPRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0 in lts.conf for a specific client who has an usb printer attached for example12:24
highvoltageedubuntugirl: start my test upgrade timer12:24
edubuntugirlOkay, highvoltage!12:24
highvoltageedubuntugirl: stop my test upgrade timer12:24
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: Your timer has been running for 9 seconds12:24
highvoltagehi jsgotangco 12:25
jsgotangcooh boy are the forums being smacked now12:25
jsgotangcobecause of the upgrade thing12:25
pips1oh, sorry, I didn't mean printing from a thin client. I haven't tried/tested that. I wasn't able to print from my printer connected to the server. So I suppose that would be an *ubuntu* but rather than anything edubuntu specific. Sorry for the confusion.12:25
pips1jsgotangco: yeah.. :-/12:26
highvoltagethe upgrade thing is a mess12:26
ograpips1, right12:27
highvoltageheno is right, users will always customise their system. the upgrade manager should really do a sanity heck first.12:27
pips1I looks like this was the first release that *lots* of people actually tried an upgrade?12:27
ograno, but newspapers and online news sites all promote stuff like automatix12:28
ograor easyubuntu12:28
ograwe warn users sincer hoary not to use these12:28
highvoltageogra: even though you're correct, an upgrade tool should still check if it's safe to upgrade before doing so12:30
ograit does several checks12:30
pips1well, even a "clean" upgrade isn't really that easy. I mean, I found it quite tricky and not very user-friendly. E.g. see "Strange upgrade behaviour from Dapper to Edgy" https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/6713312:30
ograbut if people for example use th ePLF repo which is down now ... they will run into probs we cant cover12:30
pips1ePLF ?12:31
jsgotangcohighvoltage: it'll be us running the rat race if that happens12:31
highvoltagePenguin Liberation Front12:31
highvoltagepips1: was an archive for .debs that you couldn't get in debian/ubuntu12:31
jsgotangcowell your system won't get borked if you just get codecs12:32
jsgotangcoother codecs that is12:32
jsgotangcobut the problem is some people install apps that trashes dependencies 12:32
pips1how do the trash dependencies?12:33
ograthe server doesnt exist atm12:34
ograthat trashes downloads ---12:34
pips1one of the errors I got during my upgrade was installArchives() failed after ERROR got an error from dpkg for pkg: 'nfs-kernel-server': 'subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 13712:37
Kamping_Kaiserhi all :)12:37
pips1hi Kamping12:37
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pips1The thing is, "ms conditioned" users aren't used to explicit error messages, so when suddenly you get tons of output, you think "omg, is *anything* working at all? this thing looks completely broken!"12:39
rodarvushi guys :)12:40
Kamping_Kaiserhi rodarvus 12:40
rodarvusjust noticed this arriving on my mailbox12:40
rodarvusThe status of Jerome S. Gotangco membership on team "edubuntu" (Edubuntu)12:40
rodarvuswas changed from Approved to Expired."12:40
rodarvusheh, funny stuff :)12:40
ograyeah, expiration works :)12:40
rodarvusI wonder if his subscription was set to one or two (already?!) years12:41
ograi think that was a very early subscription where we didnt have expiratiojn working at all12:41
ograi think it was set to a 1 year default in the beginning ...12:42
ogralater we decided for 2 years12:42
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^Ghost2Umornin' all12:43
pips1hmm Amaranth suggests aptitude instead of apt-get for dist-upgrading http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1324800&postcount=912:47
Kamping_Kaiseri was under the impression aptitude was the only offically supported way. *shrug*12:48
highvoltagepips1: I don't think he's suggesting aptitude for ubuntu, he's pointing out that debian suggests aptitude, so people expect it to work in Ubuntu too12:49
pips1highvoltage: right12:49
highvoltageKamping_Kaiser: the problem is that a lot of people also thought so.12:49
pips1Kamping_Kaiser: I don't know about the "official" way, but I saw https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades and that only mentions 'update-manager' and 'apt-get'12:50
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jsgotangcogksu update-manager -c12:51
jsgotangcoand apt-get dist-upgrade done twice for servers12:51
ogranobody in the distro team uses aptitude afaik 12:54
pips1I had also read the following post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185467 and decided to follow the advice about disabling screen saver, disabling non-official repos, etc. That forum post is for breezy->dapper though, so people won't read it now anymore.12:54
jsgotangcowell the distro uses aptitude during setup afaik hehehe12:54
ograd-i uses it as backend, yes12:54
jsgotangcoso its probably a saner way to do it12:55
ograbut thats likely to go away at some point as well12:55
Kamping_Kaiserstop using aptitude?12:55
jsgotangcobut then, we've been going through this upgrade thing since hoary12:55
ograjsgotangco, right12:55
ograKamping_Kaiser, up to you ...12:56
jsgotangcoKamping_Kaiser: eventually it'll be like dselect12:56
jsgotangcoit'll be all up to you12:56
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pips1question: I've been really blown away by the upgrade. I mean: it's so cool to be able to upgrade your os and (supported) apps in one go...12:56
jsgotangcowell its pretty much a gui-fied manager on text mode12:57
jsgotangcopips1: doesn't windows also do that tee hee12:57
jsgotangcoits pretty until it says "your drivers are borked for this upgrade"12:58
pips1ahh, here is my question: how does upgrading work for ms? I've been told that you can install a new windows version *over* an old one and it's supposed to keep your settings intact... However, that windows admin also told me he doesn't trust it works. Does anyone have more info about this?12:59
jsgotangcopips1: well based on my experience before on 2k -> XP. its pretty sane, it checks beforehand on what will work and what won't and tell you what to do01:00
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jsgotangcoXP pretty much checks for unsigned drivers as well nowadays but its pretty easy to just ignore it01:00
Kamping_Kaiserand everyone i know does01:01
jsgotangcoif you got one of those no-name devices from taiwan, they're most likely unsigned01:01
jsgotangcoand they just say in the manual to "ignore it"01:01
Kamping_Kaiseror any new nvidia driver...01:01
jsgotangcooh gnome.org will be using plone01:03
highvoltageI like plone, but people who use it nearly always end up in tears somehow.01:04
jsgotangcoi do at the moment01:04
highvoltageit seems to work real great for FSF01:04
jsgotangcoi sometimes cry over iosn.net01:04
jsgotangcoits probably i just dont know what im doing most of the time01:05
pips1plone never really worked for me as a site visitor.. !01:07
jsgotangcopips1: yeah that's pretty common01:07
highvoltagecool, edubuntu is listed on http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/footware.shtml01:07
paolob-parroquiaHi guys! the page about upgrading edubuntu to edgy https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdgyReleaseNotes doesn't say (in the apt-get section) I have to rebuild the ltsp chroot tree. Is it true or wrong?01:11
pips1oh, btw, ogra when I did my amd64 server dist-upgrade, I tried sudo ltsp-build-client initially, and that failed completely. Since my thin clients are i386, I re-tried it with 'ltsp-build-client --arch i386' and that worked. Have you tested a amd64 server dist-upgrade yourself yet?01:11
ograno, but the above is the right way to do it01:12
paolob-parroquiaogra, then that page is to actualize, isn't it?01:12
ogra(you could as well chroot into the client env and run apt-get dist-upgrade though)01:12
ograpaolob-parroquia, well, it should probably be on a EdubuntuEdgyUpgrade notes page or something01:13
ograthat wikipage you pointed to is for general ubuntu ...01:13
pips1paolob-parroquia: the following wiki page helped me: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes01:14
pips1^^^ but there should probably be an updated page for the dapper -> edgy ltsp upgrade01:15
ograand for the upgrading procedure ltspfsd should be installed in the new chroot so you get localdevs working ...01:15
ograits only pulled in from ltsp-build-client, but nothing depends on it yet so upgrades wont pull it in01:16
jsgotangcowe should really get our act on these upgrade notes for edubuntu like a month before release01:17
ogramake some more docteam members :)01:17
jsgotangcohow about we try doing something for every development milestone?01:18
jsgotangcojust to get it going01:18
ograthats a lot of work01:19
ograbut we'll have rock solid upgrade notes then indeed01:19
ograi'm just worried about the manpower that burns01:19
jsgotangcoi dunno how it'll prosper, documentation has always been a casual contribution space01:19
jsgotangcoi was just thinking, for feisty, I'll just concentrate on release notes01:20
jsgotangcoor something like that01:20
jsgotangconothing more01:20
ograyeah, edubuntu sucks if it comes to docs01:20
ograor better i suck at packaging -doc packages ?01:20
jsgotangcooh i dunno you're already swamped being our dearl LTSP product manager01:22
paolob-parroquiaogra, but Mark wouldn't pay a person to work on edubuntu docs?01:24
pips1heh, good question 01:24
ograhe doesnt pay anyone for ubuntu docs ...01:24
ograwhy should he do so for a (even official) derivative01:25
cbx33hi all01:26
jsgotangcowe had a good one on docs during dapper01:26
paolob-parroquiaogra, another question, where should I modify so that ltsp-build-client use a apt-cacher proxy? because I have to edubuntu servers and I need saving bandwidth01:26
jsgotangcowithougt being paid01:26
cbx33ogra: about that question I posed earlier ......the script was an init script being run by root01:26
ograwell, it tries to start any kind of X app 01:27
cbx33is there any way I can prevent it from showing....01:27
cbx33I'm trying to run a mythtv box - I know not scrictly edubuntu...but it is on edubuntu01:27
jsgotangcomythtv eekkk01:28
cbx33and it's for teaching purposes01:28
cbx33I'm trying to start the mythtv-backend01:28
ograwell, might be that it tries to stqart mythtv-setup, no idea01:29
jsgotangcohmm why does lp say im expred in edubuntu01:29
jsgotangcoah its the old team01:30
ograjsgotangco, because we dont want you anymore :P01:30
ograi think its because the expiration code was still experimental when we created the edubuntu team :)01:30
ograand initially didnt set a default or did set it to 1 year01:30
jsgotangcoeveryday we live on the edge with lp01:34
paolob-parroquiaogra, what about using ltsp-build-client with the apt-cacher proxy?01:35
ograarent you even admin of the team ?01:35
ogradunno, i never used apt-proxy01:35
ograbut you will need to set it up like you do on the server01:35
ograsudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 ....01:35
ogramake your edits ...01:35
ograhit ctrl -d01:36
ograoh, and for ltsp-build-client use the --mirror option ;)01:36
paolob-parroquiabut does ltsp-build-client use information stored in the chroot?01:38
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RichEdhi ogra, jsgotangco, paolob-parroquia cbx3301:41
RichEdI've just scrolled back to the thread above regarding documentation ...01:41
paolob-parroquiahi RichEd 01:41
RichEdwillvdl should be taking over a role as coordinator of edubuntu documentation, making sure that:01:41
RichEd1. all of the docs are consistent across web-site, wiki, handbook, promo material etc.01:41
RichEd2. setting up a process flow for what is needed when01:41
RichEdI'll make sure to let him know that he should document the release requirements and release process to make sure we prepare what is needed each time - and well in advance01:41
jsgotangcoRichEd: good day to you!01:41
edubuntugirlRichEd: *ahem*01:41
jsgotangcoRichEd: its your call goodluck01:41
Kamping_Kaiserhi RichEd 01:42
RichEdhi Kamping_Kaiser 01:44
jsgotangcoRichEd: just remember that documentation has always been a "casual" contribution space and you can't rely much on commitments most of the time01:46
RichEdjsgotangco: 100% understood and agreed ... we are very lucky to have volunteers who have helped with it thus far ... but I think it is becoming more critical than an "optional item".01:49
RichEdThe idea then is for willvdl to formally draw up requirements and proceses, and for us to match what we have or can do at the moment, and the requirements, and do a GAP analysis. We need to know where we have holes, and what the consequences are. If they are severe, we (canonical) need to find a way to address them.01:50
RichEdI'm hoping that as we expand the community numbers, we will find more volunteer effort, but if that is not enough, then we need to be the one that lets the "purse holders" know about the risks.01:52
RichEdthen I need to be the one <- correction01:52
RichEdogra: you all set for the ltsp conf ?01:53
ograyou mean if i will bring my brain to SF ?01:53
ograi was plannins so, yes :)01:54
RichEdwhen do you disappear into the ltsp conference ... will we see you at the edubuntu meeting on wednesday ?01:54
ograi'll be on plane then 01:55
ograi'll fly out wednesday moring ... (12h flight)01:55
RichEdFrom the UDS schedule, I see that I've got the same flight as you from Frankfurt, but mine is on Saturday. I've got a 12 hour flight to get to Frankfurt before that.01:57
jsgotangcoRichEd: imho you (canonical) is better off on having some professional on this regard, after all, it spends money on art01:57
pips1RichEd: is the UDS online somewhere? link?01:58
ograjsgotangco, thats a myth01:59
pips1*UDS schedule01:59
ograwe dont spend money on art01:59
RichEdjsgotangco: That is the gist of my comments above. It would be a crime to have the technical work & software production done by ogra and his "team" let down because of insufficient documentation.01:59
RichEdBut I agree with ogra and the art comment.01:59
jsgotangcoare you saying dapper's artwork (chalkboard) was just volunteer02:00
pips1ogra: who is doing the cd sleaves? that isn't community artwork, is it?02:00
ograthe art stuff is all done on a voluntary base ... only some parts are outsourced to a arts company02:00
jsgotangcothat's what i meant02:00
ograpips1, nope02:00
ograjsgotangco, ahh ...02:00
jsgotangcosome parts are outsourced02:00
jsgotangcoim not saying everyting02:00
ograwhat i meant was that the artteam guys dont get paied02:01
RichEdThere is an agency that looks at "branding & image" stuff, but they are only available to head office ... not the software / art teams02:01
jsgotangcofor all its worth, i still think you should allocate a substantial budget to have something delivered with high expectations02:02
RichEdAnd by agency, I mean one person on a part time retainer ... so it is not a big company expense or focus.02:02
cbx33jsgotangco: I kinda agree02:02
pips1Can I have a look at the UDS schedule somewhere?02:02
cbx33Edubuntu never gets funding for artwork02:02
RichEdpips1: let me wrap this thread, and I'll check for you02:02
cbx33apart from last release02:03
RichEdjsgotangco: Again, as per my comments above, I agree, but the first step is to do the requirements and gap analysis.02:03
cbx33if you know what I mean02:03
jsgotangcoif you notice on the background of d-i, you get *tons* of errors on the xml02:03
RichEdAnd then a risk againast the gap.02:03
jsgotangcobut they are not really critical, only annoying on the background02:03
jsgotangcothey do not affect the overall appearance of the product but it shows there lacked QA on testing the actualy documentation tech-wise02:04
RichEdThere may be creative ways to address the requirements, but until we can quantify them and the impact on software adoption / user happiness, we cannot just go and say we have a need for funded documentation.02:04
jsgotangcowell the easiest is have someone external review them02:05
jsgotangcoand still retain the voluntary part for documentation02:05
jsgotangcoour svn currenly has all the revisions we need to make some sort of quantitative analysis02:06
jsgotangcoand probably our bugs in lp02:06
jsgotangcobut that's just my opinion :)02:06
jsgotangcoand its pretty much overall, not edubuntu specific02:07
jsgotangco(sorry for OT)02:07
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ograpips1, the schedule is made dynamically every morning02:13
ograbased on the specs and subscriptions to them02:13
jsgotangcolp-o-matic magic02:13
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ogra(things without specs wont be scheduled)02:14
pips1ogra: since the schedule is work in progress, it isn't linked on the official UDS MV wiki page, but do you have an URL where I can see the developing schedule?02:14
ograpips1, it will be generated on at the first morning02:15
ograit gets generated *every* morning02:15
ograthere is no schedule in advance02:15
ograLP chacks the specs every day (to catch the progress) and generates it newly)02:16
ogras/every day/every morning/02:16
ograthats why its so important to have a spec for *everything you want to discuss02:16
ograelse you wont get a slot for discussin it02:16
RichEdogra: Is there a way to view all proposed MV spec discussion topics from LP ?02:18
jsgotangcoits at the meeting tracker02:19
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RichEdthanks both02:21
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pips1hmm, I'm seeing minor glitches on the upgraded edubuntu. The logging-in-sound is clipped02:32
pips1false alarm, the batteries of my external amp are dead!02:34
pips1ogra: as far as I know, printing support got a lot of love in Edgy, right?02:40
pips1I mean for ubuntu in general02:40
pips1however, it seems that the printer driver doesn't get upgraded, but you need to de- and re-install the printer02:41
pips1^^local printer on the server02:41
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cberl1Anyone able to give me a hand upgrading a 6.06 Edubuntu to 6.10?  I can't seem to get the ltsp-build-client part to work -- I get a message about not being able to link /dev/fd because it already exists (I've run the script a couple times now) and it exits abnormally.02:48
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cberl1Trying the script again right now to get the exact message...02:49
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cberl1Okay, exact as I can type, the messages are:  "leaving 'diversion of /etc/mtab to /etc/mtab.real by ltsp-client' \ 'opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list' -> '/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list.old' \ ln: creating symbolic link '/dev/fd' to '/proc/self/fd': file exists \ error:  LTSP client installation ended abnormally"02:56
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pips1cberl1: what is your server hardware? i386 or amd64?02:58
pips1i see, hmm, sorry can't really help about your problem :-/02:59
cberl1going to try again before hosing the system and restarting from an Edubuntu 6.10 install disk.  Hoping I don't have to do that because then I have to migrate everything I have on my production server to this "new" server.  PITA factor.... 03:00
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monchiGood Morning03:01
cberl1Just to verify, LTSP *does* work in the new setup, right?  :)03:02
pips1I ran into trouble during the ltsp-build-client step. But I have amd64 server with i386 thin clients. so I re-did the step with specifying the architecture explicitely (sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386), and then it worked03:02
highvoltagecberl1: of course it does03:02
cberl1highvoltage: I figured as much.  Didn't figure it would be a hassle to upgrade, though.  It's a bit unnerving.03:03
monchiAnybody have been able to set different profiles (desktops) on the workstation Ubuntu?03:03
cberl1Fresh 6.06 install, migrating directly to 6.1003:03
highvoltagecberl1: unfortunately, yes :-/03:03
cberl1monchi: Yes and no.  I know the way I did it was not exactly the standard way.  I understand Pessulus and Sabayan are involved in the usual way.03:04
pips1cberl1: what is the hassle (besides that the ltsp-build-client fails, of course)?03:04
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cberl1pips1: That would be about it.  And given that this is a terminal server, that would be a bit of a problem, wouldn't it?  :)03:05
monchicberl1: I am trying to understand why something that simple before is so complex now.  I just one of my users have mozilla when he logs in03:05
pips1cberl1: right, sure03:05
monchicberl1: easily done on regular Debian 03:05
cberl1monchi: how would you do it on Debian?  Should work the same way, shouldn't it?03:06
monchicberl1: I would use a WindowManager not Gnome 03:06
cberl1monchi: are you making a "kiosk" kind of setup?03:07
monchicberl1: Then would control it with a local Xsession. My point is that this should have been covered on this distribution03:07
monchithis link https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDynamicMenus has details on edubuntu to do it.  But I can't find the package03:08
monchiand I am actually using Ubuntu03:08
pips1monchi: I'm not quite sure about what you are trying to achieve.. 03:11
monchipips1: You set a workstation that is limited to Mozilla browser on the desktop. Anything else is not available for this specific user03:12
monchipips1: if you log in with another user... you may have a different "profile"03:13
pips1monchi: and you used to do this how in pure debian?03:13
ogracberl1, did you follow https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes ?03:13
cberl1Okay, I'll let Edubuntu off the hook for this strange error I've been getting.  Blowing away all of /opt/ltsp and re-running the script worked fine.  I'm going to guess it's network issues around here that were causing the problem.  About to test the thin client in a moment, and my guess is it will work just fine....  :)  Now, any suggestions on getting OpenMosix to work with that?03:13
cberl1ogra: Of course.  :)03:13
monchiprofile setups .. 03:13
ograpips1, no idea whats done about printing in ubuntu, sorry, i only cared for ltsp printing 03:14
ogracberl1, and you properly deleted the old directory ?03:14
cberl1ogra: The first time, yes.  Then something probably went haywire with our network (that happens sometimes!) so I assumed that it wasn't working right.  My apologies for the wrong assumption.03:15
ogracberl1, btw: mount /cdrom && sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom 03:16
ograits a lot faster (if you have the CD around anyway)03:16
pips1monchi: the feature from the page you mentioned (EdubuntuDynamicMenus) is not fully done, as far as I know, there is a specification for the upcoming Feisty https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-menus-completion03:17
=== pips1 takes a note of ogra's hint for upgrading with a cd
cberl1ogra: That was half the problem -- downloading the CD from here has been nightmarishly slow (<10K/sec).  I think our packet filter had something to do with it, but it could also be the intermittent traffic caused by  thousands of kids attacking th enet...03:17
monchipips1, okay thanks.  I thought it was implemented and added to the Universal repository03:18
cberl1ogra: so basically, when I upgrade the live server, I should use the CD to kick things off and things will work fine?03:19
ogracberl1, if you already have the CD there, its a lot faster, yes03:20
ograafaik the cd has a cdromupgrade script in the top level dir you should be able to run03:20
cberl1Alrighty then.  Patience in downloading the CD will make me a much happier camper than having anything go wrong updating the live server.03:20
cberl1ogra: When you pop in the CD, that's the notice about "Ubuntu CD has been inserted" or something to that effect, right?03:21
pips1cberl1: yes, and there *is* a cdromupgrade on the cd, as ogra mentioned :)03:22
pips1*cdromupgrade script03:22
cberl1Half my problem is probably that I got interrupted part way through this upgrade process.  As usual, excellent work, guys!  I really appreciate the amount of work that goes into the Ubuntu distribution and the feedback mechanisms you have in place!03:23
cberl1ogra:  is there no default lts.conf installed upon upgrade?  I don't see it...03:24
ograits installed by edubuntu-artwork (which holds all themes and settings)03:25
ograif you want to force it:03:25
ograsudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical edubuntu-artwork03:25
ograthat will put it in place for post installations  ...03:25
cberl1ogra: As you may recall, I'm not running the standard ldm stuff due to pam_mount issues.  Should the local devices, printing, etc. work properly without that, or do I need to find out how to get pam_mount to work with ldm?03:28
ograno, thlocaldev wont work without ldm03:30
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sbalneavMorning all!03:30
ograwe'll attack that foe xdmcp in feisty03:30
sbalneavMorning ogra!03:30
sbalneavWhat are we attacking?03:30
ograon xdmcp03:30
sbalneavAttacked, and vanquished this weekend :)03:31
ogra.oO(wow, we're at a point where i can start speaking in acronyms)03:31
sbalneavWas looking for you yesterday :)03:31
ograwhat was up ?03:31
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cberl1then I guess I'll let you know how it works out for me... :)03:32
ogradressing up for UDS :)03:32
sbalneavI got the event communication going over xproperties, which works in both places.  If you've got an ssh session, then the info's encrypted.  If it's xdmcp, then it's just straight X.03:32
sbalneavI'll demo it down at LTSP/UDS03:32
ogralooking forward to it :)03:32
ograso no dbus needed, eh ? 03:33
sbalneavI'm going to bring a thin client, keyb, mouse and screen with me.03:33
ogradunno if we'll have an ubuntu love day this time 03:33
ograelse we could demo it a bit :)03:33
sbalneavWell, you can do it WITHOUT dbus, in the long run, rather than this thing calling things directly, it could simply read the X props, and issue dbus messages, but that's for Grubby Groundhog. :)03:34
cberl1Okay, now on to the next issue:  at thin client boot, it's giving me:  Loading hardware drivers:  failed and it has a message about not finding /lib/modules/.../modules.dep ...03:34
ograhwere does the filename directive in your dhcpd.conf point to ?03:35
ograit should be: filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";03:35
sbalneavcberl1: That sounds like a kernel issue, yeah, where's your kernel booting from.03:35
cberl1it's /ltsp/pxelinux.003:36
cberl1Lemme look at that....03:36
ograah, just change it to /ltsp/i38603:36
ograand dont forget to restart the ddhcpd03:37
cberl1You're good.  :)  Rebooting and waiting for things to happen again....03:37
cberl1Hey, graphical boot on TC, very nice!03:38
ograsounds good03:39
cberl1ogra:  working perfectly once again.  This is something I can replicate.  But I do still have the issue of not being able to use both pam_mount and ldm...03:39
ograwell, what do you need from pam_mount ? 03:39
ogrado you want the homedir mounted on the server ?03:40
ograthat should be possible to set up in the pam config (even though i dont know how)03:40
cberl1ogra: basically, yes.  I need to mount their "home drive" and some common school shares (clipart, extra apps, etc)03:40
ograright, ssh uses pam for logging in03:40
cberl1it's that last part that's the critical ("even though i dont know how") -- seems I can't get the "recipe" right to get that working.03:41
ograso it should be possible to configure that on the server03:41
ograwe'll look into a edubuntu-directory server for feisty, so i'll address that soon, but currently i'm not a pam specialist03:41
cberl1I've read that is can be done with a flavour of SSH for Debian, so in theory nothing is impossible.  I'll just have to play with this test box and get our Net guys to give me the same kind of accesses...03:42
cberl1Thanks for getting me this far.03:42
pips1ogra: what is the correct command to restart the dhcpd in the server?03:43
ograif you find a proper way to implement it, please wiki it or something, so we can consider it for the directory server stuff :)03:43
ograsudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart03:43
cberl1Absolutely!  You'll be the first to know!03:43
ograanyway, got to go shopping ... else GF gets angry03:43
pips1go go go03:44
cberl1ogra: by all means, DON'T anger the GF!  :)03:44
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ogracberl1, she's angry enough because i travel so much next month :)03:45
ograi wont put oil into the fire ;)03:45
pips1same here :-D03:45
pips1but you are travelling even more03:46
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ograpips1, right, i wont be back before nov 25th 03:48
nlindbladis it possible to use the LTSP shipped with Dapper for 1280x1024 on the clients?03:48
ograand i'm flying out on nov 1st03:48
ogranlindblad, yes, but you got the solution in #ltsp already ...03:49
nlindbladogra: no, it doesn't understand those flags apperantly03:49
ograX_VERTREFRESH and X_HORZSYNC are the only ways03:49
ograit does03:49
nlindbladare you sure?03:49
ograbut your monitor probably doesnt understand the values03:49
nlindbladthey make no difference03:49
ograqanother option would be a static xorg.conf03:50
=== pips1 can login with the thin client
pips1is there a way to see login attempts from clients on the server?03:50
ogranlindblad, put XF86CONFIG_FILE=/etc/special-client.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and special-client.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ for that03:51
ograpips1, /vqar/log/auth.log logs all ssh logins 03:51
sbalneavpips1: SHould be in /var/log/auth.log03:52
pips1thanks 2x !03:52
ograok, but now ...03:52
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sbalneavheh, edubuntu-devel03:54
sbalneav"The admin user can reset the root pasword after login?!?!?!? UNBELEIVABLE!!!!!"03:54
=== pips1 manages to login with the thin client and proceeds to do /Testing/Long
cberl1Ummm...  I just noticed I can't actually login to my Thin Client, now that everything "looks" good.  What should I be looking for in auth.log to determine the source of the problem?04:00
sbalneavIf you had a problem with some dhcpd stuff you might want to re-update your sshkeys04:00
sbalneavsudo ltsp-update-sshkeys04:01
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cberl1Should I have to reboot the client for that to take effect?04:01
cberl1(update went rather fast -- should it show me some kind of result?)04:02
sbalneavI don't think so.04:02
sbalneavNope.  like all Unix commands silent == ok :)04:02
cberl1Looks much better now04:02
cberl1Time to (finally) get SSH and PAM_MOUNT to play with each other!!04:03
sbalneavA fundamental, and unwritten law of unix command line utilities is, if they're successful, and normally wouldn't produce output, they should just be quiet.04:04
sbalneavi.e. cp, mv, etc.04:04
cberl1Alright.  Reasonable enough.  Failure results in loud complaining usually...  Guess I've been playing with Windows too much lately -- it complains whether things work or not!04:05
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cberl1Okay, looking very nice so far.  Seems to scan my floppy every time I access my USB stick, but taking the floppy out fixes that issue...04:07
cberl1Now, do I recall reading that with this setup, I don't "unmount" or eject media, just take them out and we're good to go?04:08
sbalneavThat's right.04:09
cberl1That's a fast system it uses.  I just popped in a CD and it read it before I looked back at the screen.  I expected lag.04:10
sbalneav\o/ for me and ogra :)04:10
cberl1Kudos indeed!04:10
pips1sbalneav: I want to change the default keyboard layout for the thin clients. I can do that by editing lts.conf, right? Is that the lts.conf in /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/ ?04:10
sbalneavThere shouldn't be one in edubuntu-artwork04:11
sbalneavThere is!04:11
sbalneavNo, that's not the one.04:11
pips1well, I did a find / -name "lts.conf" 2>/dev/null04:12
sbalneavI'll have to ask ogra about that one later.04:12
pips1strangely, I don't have a lts.conf in  /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ ?!04:13
pips1sbalneav: ^^^ ?04:14
pips1(note that this is a system that has been upgraded dapper -> edgy)04:15
pips1(if that makes any difference)04:15
sbalneavpips1: You'll probably want to do a:04:16
sbalneavmv /opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp.old && ltsp-build-client04:16
sbalneavand rebuild the chroot.04:17
pips1well, I did that already!04:17
pips1and I am currently logged in on the thin client and it seems that I got edgy alright04:18
sbalneavwell, there should be a small one in there already.04:18
sbalneav[default] 04:18
sbalneav        X_COLOR_DEPTH=1604:18
sbalneav        LOCALDEV=True04:18
sbalneav        SOUND=True04:18
sbalneav        NBD_SWAP=True04:18
sbalneavlike that.04:18
pips1yes, that's the contents of /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/lts.conf04:18
sbalneavthat's the contents of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf on my system :)04:20
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kenkarniffhello! i'm trying out the new edubuntu with ltsp, but i cant get the right gdm welcome language (swedish) and keymapping. Language support in menus and programs is working. Does anyone have  any tip how i can fix this?04:22
pips1kenkarniff: I am currently also trying to configure the keymapping for the clients, so we can work it out together :-)04:24
kenkarniffpips1: ah at least i'm not alone! :)04:25
pips1as far as I understand, we can configure the default keyboard layout for the thin clients in the 'lts.conf' file. On my system, the file is in /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/lts.conf. However, on the system of sbalneav, it is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf.04:25
pips1Have a look to see if you can find the ltp.conf on your system :-)04:25
sbalneavpips1: just copy that file to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf, and edit it there.04:26
=== pips1 does ##sudo cp /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/lts.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
pips1kenkarniff: note, you might not have to do that on your system, if you already have /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/lts.conf04:29
kenkarniffyes i've found it at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf. the parameters i've set is XkbSymbols, XkbModel and XkbLayout04:29
pips1sorry I meant /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf04:29
pips1and it works for you?04:29
kenkarniffit does not... 04:31
cberl1Getting side-tracked just a little here, a colleague just approached me about getting a Ubuntu CD for his laptop.  I have a few of 6.06 but I'd like to grab 6.10 for him.  I notice there is no jigdo file for the i386 Desktop iso -- anyone know where I can get that, or recreate it?04:32
sbalneavThe parameters for keyboard are:04:34
sbalneavAll caps04:34
kenkarniffsbalneav: thank you, i will try that (didnt have caps)04:37
sbalneavNo problem04:38
pips1sbalneav: do you have examples for the XKBLAYOUT, etc properties handy?04:45
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sbalneavNo, but they should be the same as the corresponding X.org settings.04:46
=== pips1 tries to find the according x.org file
pips1what is the name of that x.org conf file?04:47
sbalneavWell, the xorg file's normally at /etc/X11/xorg.conf04:48
pips1ah, many thanks04:48
sbalneavman xorg.conf should give you info04:48
=== pips1 does ##man xorg.conf
pips1phew, so many options04:53
pips1hmm, I starting to think that I need to try rebuilding the ltsp-client, there is too much wrong with my thin client, e.g. the sound playing on the server instead of the client, the keyboard layout in lts.conf doen't get picked up...04:56
sbalneavDid you have an old 4.2 ltsp there before?05:01
kenkarniffpips1: i have problems with sound too! i'll try if the server plays the sound... dont have any speakers connected there05:01
pips1sbalneav: I did a fresh edubuntu 6.06 install and then upgraded to 6.1005:02
sbalneavWhy not a fresh 6.10 install? :)05:03
pips1I'm testing :-)05:04
sbalneavYou'll definitely want to re-build the client, and do an ltsp-update-kernels as well.05:05
pips1sbalneav: I have followed all the steps from the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes05:06
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sbalneavWhich steps?05:07
pips1with the exception of doing sudo 'ltsp-build-client --arch i386' as a last step, since I got an amd64 server and i386 thin clients05:07
nlindbladdoes chrooting to /opt/ltsp/i386/ and using apt work?05:08
pips1should do, according to ogra earlier05:08
sbalneavnlindblad: It does, but can lead to some inconsistencies.  a re-build is better.05:09
cberl1pips1:  sounds a lot like the "test" I've been doing.  Fairly clean?05:09
sbalneavIf you set up a local apt-cache repository, you can rebuild the chroot in about 5 minutes.05:09
cberl1sbalneav: Using a local squid caching server works about that way, too.05:09
sbalneavit does.05:10
pips1hmm, since I got the edgy installer cd... I guess that is an option too05:11
pips1ogra mentioned ## mount /cdrom && sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom05:11
sbalneavthat, too, will work.05:11
cberl1I love having options05:12
sbalneavThere's always more than one way to it :)05:12
pips1cberl1: my upgrade went "fairly clean", yes, meaning that my server now runs edgy alright, but I'm a bit confused to why I didn't have /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and why the sound is playing on the server instead of the client...05:13
nlindbladsbalneav: but if it's screwed up a simple re-build will recreate it?05:13
cberl1pips1: I found the lts.conf was missing, too -- ogra said dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork fixes that (with -pcritical switch, apparently)05:14
cberl1..as for sound on server but not client, I don't know yet -- no speakers in testing area here.05:14
cberl1Lemme check...05:14
pips1cberl1: oooohh, now that you mention this! I forgot to do 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical edubuntu-artwork' since it wasn't mentioned on that outdated EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes wiki page :-/05:17
pips1oh man05:18
pips1cberl1: just so you know, from a clean fresh install of edubuntu 6.10, I had the sound on the thin clients working, it's just not working on my dist-upgrade test...05:21
pips1so far05:22
sbalneavnlindblad: Should, yes05:22
pips1hmm. the dpkg-reconfigure didn't fix my thin client sound prob05:22
sbalneavSorry, was getting a coffeee05:22
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pips1this is taking too much time :-/ I do wonder if it's possible to do an dist-upgrade and actually get everything working as it should :-/05:24
cberl1pips1: Found speakers -- testing here05:24
sbalneavShould be able to, that's how I did my machine at home.05:25
sbalneavdist upgraded main, rebuild chroot.05:25
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pips1sbalneav: so on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes these are actually two different *options* for doing the same thing, but the second option is recommended, right?05:28
cberl1Okay, sounds working here after upgrade05:28
pips1s/doing the same thing/achieving the same goal/05:28
sbalneavA clean rebuild is guarenteed to work.05:28
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=== pips1 decides to try and do a clean ltsp-client rebuild with the install cd
pips1ah, 'sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom' doesn't work with the i386 installer cd from a amd64 client :-/05:31
pips1s/amd64 client/amd64 server05:32
pips1cberl1: good to hear that you got sound to work on your setup :) that means that I am doing something wrong05:33
pips1sbalneav: how do I setup apt-cache?05:33
pips1kenkarniff: did you ever get your keyboard layout setting to work?05:34
sbalneavpips1: apt-get install apt-cacher05:35
sbalneavfollow the readme :)  You'll just need to do a --proxy on the ltsp-client-build command line.05:35
sbalneavAnd, in fact, you can pre-populate the packages off the install cd05:35
sbalneavfor ++win05:35
sbalneavyep, you can pull the packages off the cd, and add them into the cache05:37
pips1I now got apt-cacher :)05:39
=== pips1 reads man apt-cacher
sbalneavHandy little dingus.  I use it a lot.05:39
pips1so I setup the edubunt server as the mirror.. since my host is called edubuntu (by default) I can use 'http://proxy.edubuntu:3142' ..?05:42
pips1sbalneav: are you using apt-cacher as a daemon?05:44
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pips1hmm, how do I get the .deb files extracted from the installer cd (into /var/cache/apt-cacher/import) ?05:54
pips1or do I simply copy the packages.gz from the cd into the apt-cacher/import dir?05:56
=== pips1 tries
pips1that didn't work06:01
sbalneavit's documented in the readme06:01
pips1I'm trying to follow that, but it seems I'm daft :)06:02
pips1there aren't individual .debs on the installer cd... only 'Packages.gz' and a 'Packages' files in the subfolder 'Main' and 'Restricted' ..06:03
pips1the import method in the apt-cacher man page only talks about importing .debs though06:04
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sbalneavRight, well, just copy over all the debs from the cd, and run the import procedure.06:09
pips1there *are* debs on the cd? oh06:11
sbalneavthink they're in "pool"06:12
pips1oh, found them, in lots of subdirs..06:12
sbalneavshould be able to do something along the lines of:06:13
sbalneavfind . -name "*.deb" -exec cp {} /path/to/cache \;06:14
pips1missing argument to '-exec' .. hm06:16
pips1haven't tried -exec option of find yet :)06:16
=== pips1 reads man find
pips1hmm, your command should have worked06:17
sbalneavdid you put in the "{}"'s?06:18
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)06:18
pips1sure thing, the found files are put into those {} ... 06:19
sbalneavfind . -name "*.deb" -print, lets see if you get some output at least.06:20
pips1it *does* find those .debs alright :)06:21
=== pips1 does ctrl-c
pips1I also tried sudo before the cp but that didn't work either06:24
highvoltagegeez. I'm busy working on a presentation called 'ubuntu and its derivatives' that i'm presenting tomorrow... I don't even mention everything I want to, and it's not done yet, and I'm on 53 slides already :)06:24
pips1I hope you can publish those slides once you did the presentation :)06:25
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pips1sbalneav: it would be *great* to get this apt-cacher thing working, it would be very handy to demonstrate the power of easy installation of applications on edubuntu on my laptop edubuntu demo installation...06:27
sbalneavWell, have you copied the debs yet?06:28
pips1it doesn't work.. the command you suggested terminates with 'find: missing argument to '-exec'" error06:28
pips1cf  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2938906:29
sbalneavYou're missing the \; at the end.06:30
pips1argh blublub 06:30
highvoltagepips1: I'll publish it, there's some local-specific stuff in there, but it can be cleaned up :)06:30
pips1sorry sbalneav and thanks06:31
cberl1Arghh!  "Can I see you for a sec?" never means that, does it?06:33
cberl1pips1:  Any chance in your testing you could see what happens to the local device mounting et al. when you switch to XDMCP?  :)06:36
sbalneavlocaldevices won't work with xdmcp06:37
sbalneavat this point06:37
sbalneavwe'll fix that for feisty06:37
cberl1sbalneav: so I've heard, but it does work on regular LTSP, so I was hoping I could get a hand with it...  My only other option is to get pam_mount to play nice with SSH here.06:37
cberl1...and I haven't had any success doing that yet.  Looks like doing the possible is more of an option than the "impossible"...06:38
sbalneavWhy do you need pam_mount?06:38
cberl1sbalneav: to get user home shares and a couple of other shares "standard" to our student setup06:39
sbalneavWhy not simply mount one directory up?06:39
cberl1What do you mean?  These shares are on different servers06:39
sbalneavFor instance, out home dirs are /usr/legal/home/<username>, so I just mount /usr/legal/home on all boxes.06:40
cberl1Basically, you mount all homes to one place, then let the users have their home drive from there.  I see.  But we also need access to "clipart", "Apps", "Handin", "Handout", etc. type shares06:40
cberl1Dependent on class assignment06:41
sbalneavso? Mount them all once.06:41
cberl1Lemme send you the share I want to mount and see if you can help elaborate here --not sure I'm following.06:42
cberl1So basically, what you're suggesting is to mount //windowsbox/allhomes to one spot, then link to the appropriate home directory -- this is not what I want to use as the actual Linux home directory, but where the user's file are stored (a sort of My Documents).06:44
sbalneavso, you've got separate drives like <uid>_clipart instead of "clipart/uid"?06:44
cberl1sbalneav: I can't agree more!06:44
cberl1sbalneav: I can see where I'd use just "generic" access for things like clipart, but as an example teachers need to have access to put new clipart in, but students don't.06:44
cberl1I don't want to have to change the existing Windows structure to implement (way too much of a headache for that) but I want to "simulate" what is available for windows users on the terminal server06:45
sbalneavok, well, what's not working with libpam-mount?  I don't want to get into normalizing your network.06:45
cberl1in short, libpam-mount won't mount if I use ldm (and the ssh stuff that it has for a backend).  I can't seem to find the right combination that will enable it.06:46
=== sbalneav never ceases to be amazed at the cockamamie windows setups he finds.
cberl1...I'm using winbind auth for all user accounts.06:46
cberl1...autocreating the home directories at login06:46
cberl1... mapping their drives06:47
cberl1... figuring out which groups their in a putting icons on their desktop appropriately06:47
cberl1...and deleting all that when they log out06:47
cberl1If I could just access the Active Directory at login, so much of that would be easier!06:47
cberl1Okay, hypothetically, if I mapped all homes using just one user (like our generic student account we use for testing), would access right limit me from accessing usera files from userb (assuming Samba ACLs are set properly)?06:49
sbalneavYou create a home dir every time, then erase it?06:49
cberl1sbalneav: yep06:50
cberl1sbalneav: because each home dir is about 20mb; if this project expands to all 3000 computers it's in line for, I don't have that kind of space.06:50
cberl1...and it makes it easier to implement policy -- new policy applies automatically when user homedir is created06:51
sbalneavok, well, why don't you paste what you've got with the pam-mount stuff06:51
cberl1Okay, I'll put up the pam.d entries...06:52
cberl1...sshd_config is also in there -- read something about needing priviledge separation, but conflicting "opinions"  -- I've tried both on and off06:55
cberl1gdm, ssh, etc. are configured to use the "common" elements in the right order (GDM works properly).  SSH complains of not being able to retrieve auth token06:57
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sbalneavcberl1: from the readme07:00
sbalneavIf you use pam_ldap, pam_winbind, or any other authentication  services07:00
sbalneav       that make use of PAM's sufficient keyword then model your configuration07:00
sbalneav       file common-pammount on the following:07:00
sbalneav                ...07:00
sbalneav                auth       required   pam_mount.so use_first_pass07:00
sbalneav                session    optional   pam_mount.so use_first_pass07:00
sbalneavlooks like you're missing the "use_first_pass" parameter07:00
sbalneavgoing to get a sammich, be right back07:00
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cberl1sbalneav: Okay, I'll test that out here.  Thanks07:05
cberl1Not getting any good results from just using remote SSH...  I understand PAM changes take a moment, so I think I'll follow sbalneav's lead and grab a bite!07:08
pips1sbalneav: I restarted my server, so now my apt-cacher daemon is running07:11
pips1so now I need to adjust the sources.list in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ to include http://edubuntu:3142/archive.ubuntu.com... right?07:12
pips1where 'edubuntu' is my host and 3142 is the default port for apt-cacher..07:13
cberl1Hmmm...  Now I can't get logins through regular gdm...07:13
sbalneavpips1: if you're rebuilding the chroot, there's an option on the commandline to point to the proxy07:14
sbalneavltsp-build-client --help07:14
sbalneavI beleive07:14
pips1ok, I'll check that07:14
pips1yes, there is a --mirror option07:15
cberl1sbalneav: removing the "use_first_pass" allows me to login again.  Should the two login methods be mutually exclusive?07:19
cberl1Seem to recall the ssh-krb5 trick mentioned in the docs, too.07:23
pips1sbalneav: I dont' understand how I need to specify the apt-cacher mirror. I thought just using host:default-apt-cacher-port would work? (i.e. edubuntu:3142)?07:29
pips1see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2940407:29
pips1sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --mirror edubuntu:314207:33
pips1I: Retrieving Release07:33
pips1E: unknown location edubuntu:3142/dists/edgy/Release07:33
pips1error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally07:33
cberl1pips1: IMHO, a squid server is easier to setup and use -- set up the server to cache the max number of files you'll be downloading, set your http_proxy variable befor eyou start the build and you're golden...07:36
sbalneavpips1: I think you've specified the mirror line wrong07:50
pips1yes, I think so too, but I don't know how I do need to specificy it :-/07:51
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sbalneavWell, why not the normal way:07:57
sbalneav--mirror http://your.host.name:3142/...07:58
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cberl1Awfully quiet in here -- I'll assume that means everyone is busy and things are going well?08:37
sbalneavcberl1: get your pam stuff going?08:38
cberl1sbalneav: Nope.  08:46
cberl1sbalneav: Still getting errors at the ssh level so maybe I have to look into getting ssh to work with winbind first...?08:47
cberl1Says something about can't get shadow info08:47
sbalneavI have no clue about windows stuff.  I've got 170 clients, and all of 'em linux. :)08:48
cberl1sbalneav: hiring?  :)08:48
cberl1Actually, I take that back -- I love where I work, even if they use Windows everywhere and I'm the only sane person here.08:48
cberl1Hey, think I may be on to something here...  Some PAM directives about authtok nullok08:52
cberl1Anyone know if pam_pwd was migrated into pam_unix?08:59
Burgworkcberl1: -directory might be a good place to talk about pam stuff09:01
cberl1Burgwork: Okay, which channel is that exactly?  #directory?09:02
cberl1Burgwork: Thanks09:02
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cberl1They're a little less talkative in there... :)09:07
Burgworkthey were more talkative earlier09:08
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pips1hmm, the problem seems to be that ltsp-build-client with the --mirror option automatically adds '/dists/edgy/Release' to the (proxy) server path. which doesn't seem to work for the apt-cacher proxy? 10:15
pips1sbalneav: have you used apt-cacher with ltsp-build-client before?10:16
sbalneavpips1: yup10:18
sbalneavarcg, whats the pastebin agian?10:18
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)10:18
pips1if I just point my browser at http://edubuntu:3142/ I even get a friendly html page from apt-cacher, with some info about its configuration...10:20
pips1... so the apt-cacher daemon is definitely working alright10:21
pips1do I need to configure a specific value for the http_proxy property of apt-cacher perhaps?10:22
pips1currently that is set to the default 'proxy.example.com:8080'10:23
sbalneavhold on, I'll install it here and tell you the command line.10:27
sbalneavI'll just read the man page and figure it out.10:27
pips1I tried to do that, but it looks as if I don't understand well enough10:27
sbalneavright from the man page:10:32
sbalneavltsp-build-client --mirror http://localhost:3142/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/10:32
sbalneavI've got it set up on localhost10:32
sbalneavchange that to whatever your host is you've got it set up on, 10:33
sbalneavand the "archive.ubuntu.com" set up to whatever your normal achive is.10:33
pips1well, ok, but how did you set it up on localhost?10:34
sbalneavapt-get install apt-cacher10:34
pips1and that had it set up on localhost by default?!10:35
sbalneavthen edit /etc/default/apt-cacher , and set AUTOSTART=110:35
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sbalneavthen invoke-rc.d apt-cacher start10:35
sbalneavit tells you to do that in /usr/share/doc/apt-cacher10:35
sbalneavevery package you install has docs10:36
sbalneavfirst thing you do, is read them :)10:36
sbalneavcd /usr/share/doc/<package-name> :)10:36
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pips1sorry, sbalneav I did all that and read the docs. but I *didn't* try "localhost" as my host name, since I thought my host name is what I read at my prompt, i.e. sysadmin@edubuntu i.e. my host is 'edubuntu'10:37
sbalneavsure, that's a hostname too.10:37
sbalneavbut "localhost" is always valid.10:37
sbalneavthat's the address.10:38
sbalneavi.e. loopback10:38
=== pips1 goes and tries 'localhost:3142' instead of 'edubuntu:3142'
pips1didn't work10:39
lucasvopips1: do you have any firewall running?10:39
lucasvois there another host with the name edubuntu in your network?10:39
pips1I do have a firewall, but surely localhost should work, no?10:40
pips1it's a hardware firewall ..10:40
lucasvothen it should10:40
sbalneavso, what does it say, when you run the command exactly as I typed it.10:40
pips1oh, actually, no, I disabled the hardware firewall 10:40
pips1sbalneav: paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2943610:41
sbalneavyou didnt do what I asked.10:43
pips1I always get the same error "E: Failed getting release file http://whatever-i-tried-as-host:3142/dists/edgy/Release"10:43
sbalneavltsp-build-client --mirror http://localhost:3142/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/10:43
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pips1I'm sorry10:43
sbalneavyou have to specify the host it's going to get from after the proxy.10:43
sbalneavthats how the proxy knows where to get things from10:43
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LaserJockhola Pete10:45
pips1ah, so it gets the information from 'apt-get update' from the archive.ubuntu.com but only uses the local .debs instead of the ones on the remote server10:45
pips1sbalneav: now it's rockin' and rolling10:46
pips1sorry for not paying attention before10:46
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sbalneavNow it should proceed fairly fast, as most of the packages are already local.10:47
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sbalneavas well, you can point OTHER boxes at that cache, and they'll get the same benefit.10:47
pips1it is blazing fast :)10:47
sbalneavIt's a handy little dingus.10:48
pips1this is fab10:48
pips1edubuntugirl: sbalneav ++10:48
pips1or how does that work again?10:48
pips1edubuntugirl: sbalneav++10:49
sbalneavedubuntugirl: karma sbalneav10:49
edubuntugirlsbalneav: sbalneav has karma of 310:49
sbalneavedubuntugirl: karma ogra10:49
edubuntugirlsbalneav: ogra has karma of 210:49
sbalneavI win10:49
pips1hey, the ltsp-build-client has finished already10:50
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sbalneavltsp-update-kernels as well10:52
pips1do I need to reboot the server or smth?10:54
pips1the thin client was still triggering sound on the server10:55
pips1hold on10:55
=== pips1 reboots the client instead
pips1now we are talking !!10:57
pips1rock on!10:57
pips1oh sweet eft, with your tantalising locally devices10:59
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cbx33LaserJock, 11:03
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pips1highvoltage: meet sbalneav my personal hero11:05
sbalneavI got a working deskbar plugin that searches apt-cache11:07
sbalneavI <3 deskbar11:07
pips1you *made* one?11:08
sbalneavin python11:09
cbx33python rockx11:09
sbalneavit's rough.  I'll improve it later.11:09
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pips1it's so fast11:09
sbalneavI've got one that pops up manpages in yelp, one that ssh's to hosts, and now one that shows info from apt-cache :)11:10
pips1ok, now i will do the dist-upgrade on my demo laptop and install apt-cacher on that too11:10
stelisOne for SSH sounds really handy11:11
stelisI've got a pile of desktop icons for SSH sessions ATM11:11
pips1wow, now it's even possible to play tuxmath on the clients11:12
pips1I suppose that's because of the swap memory?11:14
LaserJocksbalneav: oh, that rocks dude11:15
pips1XKBLAYOUT works11:26
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pips1is it possible to install several desktop managers (kde, xcfe) on the server and then choose the desktop for your thin client session?12:16

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