=== cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [12:18] cbx33!!! [12:18] LaserJock, !!! === cafuego [n=cafuego@ppp191-160.lns2.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === awbassett [n=thehound@206.135.97.35] has joined #edubuntu === Orby [n=grant@bb-87-81-116-75.ukonline.co.uk] has left #edubuntu ["."] === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.208.185.234] has joined #edubuntu === paolob [n=donpaolo@pri-214-b7.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu [02:35] Hi guys! Is the page https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdgyReleaseNotes correct? In order to upgrade to dapper we had to rebuild the ltsp chroot. Now nothing is said about that [02:36] has it been integrated in the apt-get dist-upgrade process? [02:37] hmm [02:37] I think perhaps it's included in the new LTSP [02:37] but I'm not positive about that [02:38] ogra, isn't here? [02:38] nah [02:38] it's the middle of the night in Germany === fregomt [n=rjam@67-42-168-7.blng.qwest.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:40] I'm thinking about building a server to run Edubuntu 6.10. I'm considering an AMD Opteron (64bit). I would have a mix of 32bit and 64 bit thin clients. Is this a problem? Do you do a 32bit install on the 64 bit server? [02:41] I don't think you have to [02:42] cool.. any problems with the 64bit version? I've heard of some difficulties getting some things to work under 64bit, though I'm currently only running a 32bit with regular Ubuntu [02:42] well, in general the issues with 64bit Ubuntu are multimedia codecs and flash [02:44] ahhh... so if I'm running a 32bit thin client it boots a different image than the 64 bit server... and I wouldn't have that problem I assume? [02:44] And for that matter if I should add a 64 bit thin client, I could have it boot the 32bit image too and avoid that problem, right? [02:46] I'm really not sure but I know the client chroots can be a separate arch then the server [02:46] ya, I think you're right. I guess I need to bite the bullet and try edubuntu. [02:47] Either that or find a good howto for adding LTSP to regular Ubuntu. [02:47] as I really don't care about all the education software. (Learning is for foolz!) [02:49] yeah, it's pretty easy to go either way [02:50] cool, thanks Laser. === paolob [n=donpaolo@pri-214-b7.codetel.net.do] has left #edubuntu ["ci] === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:06] Evening everyone! [03:06] !seen ogra [03:06] ogra is on IRC right now! [03:06] edubuntugirl: seen ogra [03:06] ogra was last seen on #edubuntu 2 days, 10 hours, 3 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: we'll need something like a config file or even an lts.conf parameter that defines which apps are local apps and which are run on the server [Fri Oct 27 18:02:05 2006] === lguerra [n=lguerra@200.119.34.46] has joined #edubuntu [03:12] hi all === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #edubuntu [03:17] Hello [03:33] ogra, ping [03:34] ogra: in ubuntu-es an edubuntu user, have problems with dhcpd, inittab dont exist and dhcpd ask for this file [03:36] lguerra: inittab doesn't exist? [03:37] Is this a new edubuntu install? Or an upgrade? [03:37] new install sbalneav [03:38] I'll join the channel, but someone will have to translate. :) [03:40] !pastebin [03:40] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things) === dibblego [n=nobody@CPE-61-9-214-69.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [03:45] can you upgrade 6.06 to 6.10 with the live or install CD? [03:46] Install, I believe [03:46] ah thanks [03:48] yep, install CD only [03:48] righto cheers === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [03:57] sbalneav, thanks, i dont have idea what feruchi do, but all its ok for him [03:58] I bet he was picking up another ltsp server. [03:58] My suspicion is, he'll have problems again :) [03:58] That's why I'll hang around :) [03:59] sbalneav, Edubuntu LTSP documentation where is? [03:59] heh [03:59] I'm working on some of it now. [04:00] It's on the edubuntu svn repository [04:00] http://svn.binaryredneck.net/handbook [04:00] sbalneav, if EC considers convenient, I would be able to translate this al Spanish when this list [04:01] Both a Spanish and a Portugese translation would be awesome. We get a lot of LTSP users from South America, and all I can speak is a little French, and not very well at that :) [04:04] sbalneav, I continued entering to #edubuntu, and I am working with #edubuntu-is, the unico problem is that itself be not to handled svn; but I would be able to collaborate with that translation [04:04] really, the doco should move to a bzr style repository. [04:05] doco? [04:06] what is that? [04:06] Short for documentation [04:06] ohhhh [04:08] i read about svn for begin to translate === ^Ghost2U [n=jblader@66.248.172.43] has joined #edubuntu [04:29] <^Ghost2U> hi all! [04:30] <^Ghost2U> having probs with edgy.. 2x thin client not finding dhcp server (edubuntu default install) [04:32] <^Ghost2U> does edgy install and activate the ltsp packages like breezy, or do I need to perform additional steps? === dibblego [n=nobody@CPE-61-9-214-69.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [04:34] ^Ghost2U: Edubuntu should install and activate by default. [04:34] Do you have 2 network cards in the server, or one? [04:34] <^Ghost2U> hi sb: only one... [04:35] <^Ghost2U> it's not my default gateway [04:35] Are there any other dhcpd servers running on your network? [04:36] <^Ghost2U> only this edubuntu box [04:36] <^Ghost2U> M$ gets ip from it, but 2x doesn't [04:37] You don't have a cable or dsl router handing out dhcp addrsses? [04:37] <^Ghost2U> not on this network [04:37] ok, what kind of thin clients are they? Old machines? [04:37] <^Ghost2U> not really [04:38] <^Ghost2U> p4- 2.8GB... worked with breezy setup before [04:38] <^Ghost2U> GHz === ^Ghost2U needs caffeine [04:39] ok, what's the ip address of the server? And can you paste the dhcpd.conf file from /etc/ltsp to the pastebin [04:39] !pastebin [04:39] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things) === awbassett [n=awbasset@206.135.97.35] has joined #edubuntu [04:43] <^Ghost2U> ok [04:43] <^Ghost2U> done [04:46] What's the link? [04:47] My mental telepathy's down today. [04:49] c'mon sbalneav, lift your game ;p [04:50] <^Ghost2U> sb: sorry... trying something [04:51] <^Ghost2U> whats the command for restarting dhcp?? [04:51] invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart === ^Ghost2U seriously in need of coffee or jolt cola === PurpleBlue [n=m@c-67-173-55-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:54] Hello [04:54] <^Ghost2U> sb: it was my dhcp settings for ltsp [04:55] When I used stock Totem Moivie player, to play a standard .mp3 from web, it says I need codec. Is this normal? [04:57] PurpleBlue: yes, mp3 is a patent encumbered format, and hence not installed by default in (ed)ubuntu [04:57] !mp3 [04:57] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [04:58] <^Ghost2U> haleluja!!! (or something like that) They finally got local sound working on clients [04:59] Yup, we did. [05:00] Ogra and I will be speccing out the next step, replacing esd with pulseaudio, at mountainview [05:01] Ubotu, thank you. Good info! === ^Ghost2U has been waiting a long time for this, I also noticed the local CD is displayed on the client.. not the server CD.. sweet! === ^Ghost2U is loving this already! [05:05] What is LTS backpors? [05:05] <^Ghost2U> sb: to all of you hard working ppl -- Thanks :D [05:06] sbalneav: I'll have to be there for that one :) [05:06] Thanks@ [05:08] <^Ghost2U> any suggestions afa thin h/w?? (helping a broke parochial school setup a lab) [05:08] I am just trying to figure out what repositories should/should not be enable in synaptic package manager [05:08] <^Ghost2U> (maybe broke is too strong, financially struggling) [05:12] ^Ghost2U: lots of old machines will work. Depending on where you are, there's lots of values to be had on ebay, or at local swap shops. [05:13] Anything with a 200mhz processor, and 32-64 megs of memory will make a great thin client. [05:15] <^Ghost2U> sbalneav: Thanks, I'm also considering actual thin client boxes.. (a donation, my son's school) [05:16] www.disklessworkstations.com [05:19] <^Ghost2U> sbalneav: not sure they're still around.. cannot connect [05:21] Did I mess up? sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg g streamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plug ins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extra codecs [05:21] Password: [05:21] E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able) [05:21] E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it? === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [05:22] ^Ghost2U: I know they're still around, site's just down temporarily. [05:22] PurpleBlue: close synaptic [05:22] hi sbalneav [05:23] PurpleBlue: It might just be doing an update at the moment [05:23] Hey LaserJock! [05:23] MV getting closer! [05:23] hola edubuntu, how many of you installed automatix or easyubuntu and broke your system doing a dist-upgrade to edgy? === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AED887.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:23] :D <- here's to you! === LaserJock didn't [05:23] sbalneav: yes it is [05:24] nixternal: such empathy ;) [05:24] hehe [05:24] nixternal: Is that what the issue is? [05:24] 99.9% of the time it is [05:24] because of all that binary non-meta, script cr4p [05:24] bimberi, I closed synaptic, and did same sudo line and it says, "Reading package lists... Done [05:24] Building dependency tree... Done [05:24] E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.10-pitfdll [05:24] " [05:24] multiverse enabling is needed [05:25] hrmm, universe enabling rather [05:25] I checked all repositories prior. [05:25] Are the automatix or easyubuntu people 'fessing up? or staying suspiciously silent? :) [05:25] staying silent [05:26] that is why Ubuntu said no to utilizing it [05:26] and instead want to incorporate everything, or close to everything that automatix does, just with viable metapackages [05:26] heh, isn't stopping Ubuntu from getting blamed :) [05:26] it never does [05:26] of course not [05:26] PurpleBlue: put your sources.list on a pastebin [05:27] PurpleBlue: and tell us the link [05:27] funny thing is, we, we being the Ubuntu community, get the same type of blaming and finger pointing that other super successful companies get, such as microsoft === bimberi winks at sbalneav [05:28] yesterday was Ubuntu Chicago LoCo meeting, and we had a ton of people who up, who were fed up with Ubuntu because of Edgy dist-upgrades, granted some didn't use automatix and what not, but still broke their computer... [05:28] mostly due to binary nvidia or ati drivers, which is expected [05:28] Anyone heard this one? after edgy update, (otherwise successful) Launch firefox, it says "theres aready one running", when there isn't. I've wiped out /tmp, and even deleted my .mozilla dir. Still no joy. [05:29] that is why i don't use binary or ati drivers, if it isn't in the repos, and i must have it...it must be an amazing program [05:29] sbalneav: does purging and reinstalling firefox resolve that? [05:29] s/binary or ati/binary nvidia or ati [05:29] Havn't tried that yet. [05:30] So, I wonder where the root cause of the muckups are, with the upgrades. It'd be nice to say to people, "here, fix this, this, and this before upgrades", because I don't think telling people "no, sorry, no codecs for you" is a solution. [05:31] bimberi, how I do that? [05:31] Personally, I think the codec part, at least, should be adopted by Ubuntu. [05:31] !pastebin [05:31] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things) [05:32] sbalneav: it is [05:32] I know what pastebin is. I am speaking about locating the file source.list so I can post that info. [05:32] PurpleBlue: ^^ [05:32] at least getting close [05:32] PurpleBlue: oh sorry [05:32] PurpleBlue: /etc/apt/sources.list [05:32] sbalneav: I did a fresh install the other day and when I went to go play an .mp3 it offered to install the needed packages [05:32] sbalneav: took like 10 s and it did it all [05:34] bimberi, located it. Now what is the comman in terminal to dislplay a files contents? [05:36] PurpleBlue: do a 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list' === PurpleBlue [n=m@c-67-173-55-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [05:45] bimberi, back. Computer frooze for no reason. Then it went to a 30 boot check . And forced me to do a fsck then it rebooted, erorred again, then rebooted a 2nd time and let me back in. === bimberi [n=dave@144.139.227.183] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=Jack@61.51.188.241] has joined #edubuntu [05:51] bimberi, pastebin is not working. Waiting, Waiting, waiting.. [05:52] deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse [05:52] deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse [05:52] deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted [05:52] deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted [05:52] deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security universe [05:52] deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security universe [05:54] deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted [05:54] deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted [05:54] deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted [05:54] deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe main restricted [05:54] deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe [05:55] Bimberi, I check all repositories in synaptic. [06:03] PurpleBlue: what was the package with the error again? [06:06] PurpleBlue: gstreamer0.10-pitfdll ? (unfortunately i've lost the backscroll with the disconnect) [06:06] !info gstreamer0.10-pitfdll [06:06] gstreamer0.10-pitfdll: GStreamer plugin for using MS Windows binary codecs. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.1.1+cvs20060515-1 (edgy), package size 79 kB, installed size 260 kB (Only available for i386) [06:06] same here, I got rebooted [06:07] !info gstreamer0.10-pitfdll dapper [06:07] gstreamer0.10-pitfdll: GStreamer plugin for using MS Windows binary codecs. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.9.1.1+cvs20060312-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 79 kB, installed size 260 kB (Only available for i386) [06:07] ah ha, it's in multiverse in dapper [06:07] PurpleBlue: you need to add multiverse to all lines that have universe on them [06:07] i copied it back in and now it says. sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs [06:07] E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. [06:08] I have no idea what I am doing now. :( [06:08] PurpleBlue: try 'sudo apt-get -f install' [06:08] k [06:09] How in the heck did I ever get along without the deskbar applet? [06:09] sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs [06:09] E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. [06:09] Especially since I can python script my own! [06:09] oops [06:09] sudo apt-get -f install [06:09] E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. [06:09] PurpleBlue: righto [06:09] PurpleBlue: 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' [06:10] sudo dpkg --configure -a [06:10] dpkg: error processing dia-libs (--configure): [06:10] Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should [06:10] reinstall it before attempting configuration. [06:10] dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of dia-gnome: [06:10] dia-gnome depends on dia-common (= 0.95.0-4ubuntu1~dapper1); however: [06:10] Version of dia-common on system is 0.94.0-17.1ubuntu3. [06:10] dia-gnome depends on dia-libs (= 0.95.0-4ubuntu1~dapper1); however: [06:10] Package dia-libs is not configured yet. [06:10] dpkg: error processing dia-gnome (--configure): [06:10] dependency problems - leaving unconfigured [06:10] Errors were encountered while processing: [06:10] dia-libs [06:10] dia-gnome [06:11] PurpleBlue: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure dia-libs' [06:11] PurpleBlue: and paste a bit more selectively please :) [06:11] sudo dpkg-reconfigure dia-libs [06:11] /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: dia-libs is broken or not fully installed [06:12] PurpleBlue: sudo apt-get install --reinstall dia-libs [06:13] bimberi, no says unmet dependcies. [06:13] *nw [06:13] *now [06:13] PurpleBlue: what dependencies? [06:13] sudo apt-get install --reinstall dia-libs [06:13] Reading package lists... Done [06:13] Building dependency tree... Done [06:13] You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: [06:13] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [06:13] dia-gnome: Depends: dia-common (= 0.95.0-4ubuntu1~dapper1) but 0.94.0-17.1ubuntu3 is to be installed [06:13] E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). [06:15] Bimberi, can you just like remote desktop over and I give you control? [06:15] PurpleBlue: ok, this pastebin seems to work - http://pastebin.ca/ - please put your sources.list on there [06:15] PurpleBlue: not atm, i'm on very slow dialup [06:18] http://pastebin.ca/228655 [06:20] PurpleBlue: do you need the backports repositories? === jack_wyt [n=Jack@61.51.188.241] has joined #edubuntu === tensor [n=tensor@203.131.101.38] has joined #edubuntu [06:22] hello, i've setup an edubuntu with ltsp [06:22] I dont know what backports where, and I asked in the channel and no one responded. So before I went to update Totem I enable all repositories to be sure. [06:22] i can successfully connect from a desktop client, however, my laptop can't seem to connect and dies while "mounting the root filesystem...." [06:23] please help! [06:23] PurpleBlue: ok, i would comment them out (lines 25,26), change line 15 to have "us.archive.ubuntu.com" and add multiverse to all lines with universe on them (lines 15,16,30,31) [06:24] PurpleBlue: save the file and run 'sudo apt-get update', then see if "sudo apt-get -f install" works [06:24] bimberi is ebuntu usually this much of a head ache? === pygi [n=mario@83-131-72-85.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [06:25] PurpleBlue: depends :) no, i'm kidding, it isn't usually [06:25] bimberi, that what it my deal? I am I just a ex Winblows dumb ass? [06:26] PurpleBlue: in your case there does seems to be some issues with how dia has been installed\ === bimberi isn't ignoring tensor, just can't provide any meaningful help sorry [06:28] bimberi, thanks anyway :D [06:29] like tihs? deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse universe main restricted [06:30] PurpleBlue: yep [06:31] Now how do I save the file since it is read only? [06:31] PurpleBlue: did you use 'sudo gedit ...' ? [06:32] PurpleBlue: if not, run that from another terminal and copy/paste across [06:32] no, I used nautilus and click on the file [06:32] PurpleBlue: ok, leave that open and do this ... [06:33] is this better? before I save it http://pastebin.ca/228673 [06:33] alt-F2 (opens a Run Application window) and use it to run the command: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list [06:33] oh, nvm :) [06:33] looking [06:34] I deleted those 2 backport lines like you wanted === jack_wyt [n=Jack@61.51.188.241] has joined #edubuntu [06:35] PurpleBlue: yes that looks good [06:35] k [06:36] I did sudo gedit and saved === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #edubuntu [06:37] PurpleBlue: great, now run 'sudo apt-get update', then see if "sudo apt-get -f install" works [06:38] Reading package lists... Done [06:38] W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages) [06:38] W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper-security_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages) [06:38] W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems [06:38] m@m-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get -f install [06:38] Reading package lists... Done [06:38] Building dependency tree... Done [06:38] E: The package dia-libs needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. [06:39] PurpleBlue: whatthe? i can't see that duplicate entry [06:40] ... on the pastebin [06:41] http://pastebin.ca/228684 === PurpleBlue getting little bit frustrated. 2 hours later, and still can play a mp3 file off the internet. [06:41] *cant [06:42] !info dia-libs dapper [06:42] dia-libs: Diagram editor (library files). In component main, is optional. 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[10:22] anyone know what this is about Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed [10:27] cbx33: where do you get that message? [10:28] when I run an init script [10:28] for mythtv backend === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AED887.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.42] has left #edubuntu [] === bimberi [n=dave@121.127.193.118] has joined #edubuntu [10:53] highvoltage: any thoughts? === jinty [n=jinty@127.Red-83-50-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:00] cbx33: well, it complains about authentication. do you know what it might be trying to authentcate against? [11:00] cbx33: if you can find that out, then you could check the logs of the appropriate service === ukubuntu [n=adrian@84-12-177-94.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [11:02] it tries to run any kind of X app on a X DISPLAY thats not owned by that user === jbrefort [n=jean@lns-bzn-58-82-251-225-167.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:18] ogra: good morning. has someone responded to CatherineCapers? should I? [11:18] if you like to [11:18] ok [11:19] tell him that NBD_SWAP is enabled by default on new installs ;) [11:19] and point to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT :) [11:19] ok, thanks for the tips [11:20] I thought it was strange that his NDB wasn't enabled. [11:20] edubuntugirl: nat [11:20] highvoltage: I'm not following you... [11:20] well, might be an upgrade problem ... [11:20] i didnt see it here, but you never know [11:21] edubuntugirl: nat is For NAT on an Edubuntu Server, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT [11:21] highvoltage: daar's hy [11:21] eek, edubuntugirl still knows some Afrikaans :) [11:21] ever heard of http://www.2x.com/ [11:21] ? [11:22] yep [11:23] they seem to reimplement NX [11:23] based on the free parts of the NX code [11:23] it seemed very similar to nx last time I looked [11:23] right [11:24] what i hope is that they reimplement it without the broken evil parts :) [11:24] that would be cool. [11:24] s/reimplement/reimplemented/ [11:25] they currently boot using pxes, would be nice if they could use an ubuntu base one day. the ubuntu ltsp chroot is quite close to pxes these days, isn't it? [11:25] yep [11:25] well, i'd love to package it if they have gotten rid of the xlibs duplication issues [11:25] i'll look into it [11:26] would be nice to have optional NX support in ltsp [11:45] yep [11:46] there seems to be demand for it especially in the richer countries where people want to log in to their session at school from home. === pips1 [n=philipp@58-92.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [12:15] On the weekend, I finally managed to do an server upgrade test. During the upgrade, I was asked some questions. I don't think normal users really know what to choose, so it would be great to document this somewhere... [12:17] I was asked 1. Replace /etc/login.defs 2. What would you like to do about exports? /etc/exports 3. Replace etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf' [12:18] 3 is intresting [12:18] did you say yes ? [12:19] I chose 1. Replace it 2. Keep it (since the new version only added some stuff in commented lines) 3. Replace it. However, I don't know if these were actually the right choices. I need to test the server more.. but so far, the system seems to run quite ok. (Printing doesn't seem to work) [12:21] did you set it up in lts.conf ? [12:21] Note, for "3. Replace etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf", I chose replace it, but then I had to manually change the IP addresses in dhcpd.conf again, since my setup uses 192.168.1.2 on the server, rather than 192.168.0.x... (with only *one* NIC) [12:22] it doesnt work out of the box [12:22] Did I set up what in lts.conf? I didn't touch lts.conf so far, I think.. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [12:23] well, oyu need to set up printing like in classic ltsp [12:24] PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0 in lts.conf for a specific client who has an usb printer attached for example [12:24] edubuntugirl: start my test upgrade timer [12:24] Okay, highvoltage! [12:24] edubuntugirl: stop my test upgrade timer [12:24] highvoltage: Your timer has been running for 9 seconds [12:25] hello [12:25] cool. [12:25] hi jsgotangco [12:25] oh boy are the forums being smacked now [12:25] because of the upgrade thing [12:25] oh, sorry, I didn't mean printing from a thin client. I haven't tried/tested that. I wasn't able to print from my printer connected to the server. So I suppose that would be an *ubuntu* but rather than anything edubuntu specific. Sorry for the confusion. [12:26] jsgotangco: yeah.. :-/ [12:26] the upgrade thing is a mess [12:27] pips1, right [12:27] heno is right, users will always customise their system. the upgrade manager should really do a sanity heck first. [12:27] I looks like this was the first release that *lots* of people actually tried an upgrade? [12:27] s/I/it/ [12:28] no, but newspapers and online news sites all promote stuff like automatix [12:28] or easyubuntu [12:28] yeah [12:28] we warn users sincer hoary not to use these [12:30] ogra: even though you're correct, an upgrade tool should still check if it's safe to upgrade before doing so [12:30] it does several checks [12:30] well, even a "clean" upgrade isn't really that easy. I mean, I found it quite tricky and not very user-friendly. E.g. see "Strange upgrade behaviour from Dapper to Edgy" https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/67133 [12:30] but if people for example use th ePLF repo which is down now ... they will run into probs we cant cover [12:31] ePLF ? [12:31] highvoltage: it'll be us running the rat race if that happens [12:31] Penguin Liberation Front [12:31] pips1: was an archive for .debs that you couldn't get in debian/ubuntu [12:31] oh [12:32] well your system won't get borked if you just get codecs [12:32] other codecs that is [12:32] but the problem is some people install apps that trashes dependencies [12:33] how do the trash dependencies? [12:34] the server doesnt exist atm [12:34] that trashes downloads --- [12:34] oic [12:37] one of the errors I got during my upgrade was installArchives() failed after ERROR got an error from dpkg for pkg: 'nfs-kernel-server': 'subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 137 [12:37] hi all :) [12:37] hi Kamping [12:39] :) === Kamping_Kaiser hugs pips1 [12:39] The thing is, "ms conditioned" users aren't used to explicit error messages, so when suddenly you get tons of output, you think "omg, is *anything* working at all? this thing looks completely broken!" [12:40] hi guys :) [12:40] hi rodarvus [12:40] just noticed this arriving on my mailbox [12:40] "Hello, [12:40] The status of Jerome S. Gotangco membership on team "edubuntu" (Edubuntu) [12:40] was changed from Approved to Expired." [12:40] heh [12:40] heh, funny stuff :) [12:40] yeah, expiration works :) [12:41] I wonder if his subscription was set to one or two (already?!) years [12:41] i think that was a very early subscription where we didnt have expiratiojn working at all [12:42] i think it was set to a 1 year default in the beginning ... [12:42] later we decided for 2 years === ^Ghost2U yawns & stretches [12:43] <^Ghost2U> mornin' all [12:47] hmm Amaranth suggests aptitude instead of apt-get for dist-upgrading http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1324800&postcount=9 [12:48] i was under the impression aptitude was the only offically supported way. *shrug* [12:49] pips1: I don't think he's suggesting aptitude for ubuntu, he's pointing out that debian suggests aptitude, so people expect it to work in Ubuntu too [12:49] highvoltage: right [12:49] Kamping_Kaiser: the problem is that a lot of people also thought so. [12:49] ah [12:50] Kamping_Kaiser: I don't know about the "official" way, but I saw https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades and that only mentions 'update-manager' and 'apt-get' === Kamping_Kaiser wonders what the release notes say [12:51] gksu update-manager -c [12:51] and apt-get dist-upgrade done twice for servers [12:54] nobody in the distro team uses aptitude afaik [12:54] I had also read the following post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185467 and decided to follow the advice about disabling screen saver, disabling non-official repos, etc. That forum post is for breezy->dapper though, so people won't read it now anymore. [12:54] well the distro uses aptitude during setup afaik hehehe [12:54] d-i uses it as backend, yes [12:55] so its probably a saner way to do it [12:55] but thats likely to go away at some point as well [12:55] interesting [12:55] stop using aptitude? [12:55] but then, we've been going through this upgrade thing since hoary [12:55] jsgotangco, right [12:56] Kamping_Kaiser, up to you ... [12:56] Kamping_Kaiser: eventually it'll be like dselect [12:56] it'll be all up to you === Kamping_Kaiser hasnt used aptitude since he first got entangled in the 'gui' [12:56] question: I've been really blown away by the upgrade. I mean: it's so cool to be able to upgrade your os and (supported) apps in one go... [12:57] well its pretty much a gui-fied manager on text mode [12:57] pips1: doesn't windows also do that tee hee [12:58] its pretty until it says "your drivers are borked for this upgrade" [12:58] heh [12:59] ahh, here is my question: how does upgrading work for ms? I've been told that you can install a new windows version *over* an old one and it's supposed to keep your settings intact... However, that windows admin also told me he doesn't trust it works. Does anyone have more info about this? [01:00] pips1: well based on my experience before on 2k -> XP. its pretty sane, it checks beforehand on what will work and what won't and tell you what to do === paolob-parroquia [n=paolob-p@pri-214-b7.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu [01:00] XP pretty much checks for unsigned drivers as well nowadays but its pretty easy to just ignore it [01:01] ic [01:01] and everyone i know does [01:01] if you got one of those no-name devices from taiwan, they're most likely unsigned [01:01]