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| ddaa | Good morning | 11:00 |
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| ddaa | SteveA: jamesh: spiv: lifeless: MEETING STARTS | 11:00 |
| spiv | Good evening. | 11:00 |
| ddaa | lifeless: hello limited IRC client | 11:00 |
| SteveA | hi | 11:00 |
| ddaa | == Agenda == | 11:01 |
| ddaa | Next meeting Monday 6 November, 10:00-10:45 UTC. | 11:01 |
| ddaa | * production status | 11:01 |
| ddaa | * status reports | 11:01 |
| ddaa | * Singapore meeting | 11:01 |
| ddaa | == Roll call == | 11:01 |
| ddaa | _thumper_ is on leave until start of December. | 11:01 |
| lifeless | ddaa: hello impersonation | 11:01 |
| ddaa | lifeless: whut? | 11:01 |
| jamesh | hi | 11:01 |
| ddaa | I'm identified, I'm no impersonation. | 11:01 |
| lifeless | I'm teasing you back | 11:01 |
| ddaa | okay, poolie is "gone away for a bit" | 11:02 |
| lifeless | its now 9pm here | 11:02 |
| lifeless | I'm going to ask the reviewers meeting to move, and I'd like to ask this one to move back one hour too. | 11:02 |
| ddaa | maybe he should change his away message to "gone away for a byte", though | 11:02 |
| ddaa | == Production status == | 11:02 |
| lifeless | this is applicable to the 'next meeting' topic. | 11:03 |
| ddaa | you mean one hour earlier? | 11:03 |
| lifeless | yes | 11:03 |
| ddaa | hu... 10am is harsh | 11:03 |
| lifeless | 10pm start for a meeting is harsher | 11:03 |
| lifeless | :) | 11:04 |
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| poolie | (hi, excuse me) | 11:04 |
| ddaa | I disagree, but I guess it's a matter of style | 11:04 |
| jamesh | ddaa: harsh for people who keep normal hours :) | 11:04 |
| lifeless | poolie: hi. I've just been saying, that I'd appreciate it if this meeting could move to 0900 UTC | 11:04 |
| ddaa | I'm okay to give it a try | 11:04 |
| spiv | I'm fine with that (unsurprisingly). | 11:05 |
| ddaa | though I might have a hard time showing up and being useful that early in the morning | 11:05 |
| ddaa | SteveA: any objection? | 11:05 |
| jamesh | I'm indifferent -- the meeting is still 6pm for me | 11:06 |
| poolie | i'd like that too | 11:06 |
| ddaa | Okay: Next meeting Monday 6 November, 09:00-09:45 UTC. | 11:06 |
| ddaa | be the coffee be with me | 11:06 |
| lifeless | thank you | 11:06 |
| SteveA | I object to your not being useful in the morning. | 11:07 |
| SteveA | I'm fine with the new time | 11:07 |
| ddaa | SteveA: one of the good things with this job for me, is that it's compatible with this congenital problem I have with mornings. | 11:08 |
| lifeless | your genitals do not rise well in the mornings ? | 11:08 |
| lifeless | I really did not need to know that. | 11:08 |
| spiv | lifeless: let's not go there | 11:08 |
| SteveA | you're working closely with antipodeans | 11:08 |
| SteveA | so, I think you should find a way to work effectively in european mornings | 11:08 |
| ddaa | lifeless: you should know about that, we slept long enough in the same room | 11:08 |
| ddaa | Let's move on. Waking up early has been a problem for me all my life. | 11:09 |
| ddaa | == Production status == | 11:09 |
| SteveA | try to go more for existentialism than fatalism | 11:10 |
| ddaa | Nothing much new this week. I have been testing some new code in importd-autotest. | 11:10 |
| ddaa | jamesh: anything new in production from you? | 11:10 |
| SteveA | "the morning exists, and it isn't fatal" | 11:10 |
| lifeless | I have a new agenda item too, please be sure to ping me at the end. Right now, I'm partially here, partially busy. sorry. | 11:10 |
| jamesh | ddaa: stub ran the product-release-finder in production, so we have a bunch of new ProductRelease records | 11:10 |
| ddaa | Haha! | 11:11 |
| jamesh | I don't think I've got anything else new launchpad-bazaar related in production this week | 11:11 |
| spiv | This is sort of related to production status: what's the status of the bzr webserve on devpad? | 11:11 |
| ddaa | any plan to run it on a regular basis? | 11:11 |
| jamesh | ddaa: I think he's got it running regularly, but I will check | 11:11 |
| ddaa | spiv: I thought you were in charge of this sort of thing :) | 11:11 |
| SteveA | the bzr webserver is running on devpad, we need to get it RTed to be hooked up to an external server. | 11:11 |
| SteveA | I think there may be an RT issue on this already | 11:12 |
| SteveA | it should be protected with a certificate, perhaps, or a password | 11:12 |
| ddaa | SteveA: you meeting setting a http proxy so it's accessible from outside the DC? | 11:12 |
| lifeless | its running, stevea pout in a rt reuqest | 11:13 |
| SteveA | can't parse that | 11:13 |
| spiv | A glance at the devpad apache config suggests it's there, and protected by needing certificate, but I don't seem to have the client cert it needs. | 11:13 |
| SteveA | I need to pout in an RT request? | 11:13 |
| lifeless | you did | 11:13 |
| lifeless | at the time | 11:13 |
| spiv | It's elmo's hidden weakness. | 11:13 |
| jamesh | lifeless: looking at the apache config on devpad, https://devpad.canonical.com/code/rf/launchpad/devel requires a cert and passes through to localhost:8088 | 11:13 |
| lifeless | jamesh: yes | 11:13 |
| lifeless | as spiv said :) | 11:13 |
| ddaa | "we need to get it RTed to be hooked up to an external server.", you mean hooking up to allow people to access it without setting up their own ssh tunnel? | 11:13 |
| lifeless | and we tried last week. But the cert seems to be unknown | 11:14 |
| spiv | jamesh: nearly, except that it needs a trailing slash ;) | 11:14 |
| spiv | Or did last week... | 11:14 |
| lifeless | ddaa: start over. There is a bzr webserve accessible at https://devpad.canonical.com/code/rf/launchpad/devel/ but no-one has the certificate needed. | 11:14 |
| ddaa | ack | 11:14 |
| lifeless | someone needs to rt a certificate replacement | 11:14 |
| spiv | Ok, so it's with the admins, and there is RT request floating about somewhere. | 11:14 |
| ddaa | And SteveA owns the RT? | 11:15 |
| lifeless | well | 11:15 |
| lifeless | the preior RT would have been done. We need a new one to fix its access :) | 11:15 |
| ddaa | spiv: care to follow up on this? | 11:17 |
| spiv | Ok. | 11:17 |
| ddaa | Oh something else. I put a RT to get up-to-date pysvn bindings on import slaves. | 11:17 |
| ddaa | needed for current rocketfuel code | 11:17 |
| ddaa | will talk with SteveA about this later | 11:17 |
| ddaa | Moving on. | 11:18 |
| ddaa | == Status reports == | 11:18 |
| ddaa | * spiv: supermirror-smart-server. | 11:18 |
| ddaa | * jamesh: product-release-finder. | 11:18 |
| ddaa | * ddaa: python import. | 11:18 |
| jamesh | nothing more to report on p-r-f than it having been run in production | 11:19 |
| ddaa | so, I tested the python import with the new cscvs/partial-copy code, found a flaw in my initial design, will fix soon. After this there are very good odds that python and silva are going to work. | 11:19 |
| lifeless | sweet | 11:19 |
| spiv | I have no news on the supermirror-smart-server. | 11:19 |
| spiv | ddaa: awesome | 11:20 |
| ddaa | There are also some other random importd bugfix in importd-autotest ATM, so it might be that they helped a bit too. See you soon on PendingReviews. | 11:20 |
| ddaa | * jamesh: spec-branches. | 11:20 |
| ddaa | * ddaa: pyrex. | 11:20 |
| ddaa | * poolie: bzr-lp features. | 11:20 |
| ddaa | I uploaded my current work on pyrex bindings to devpad, and put in pending reviews. The good stuff is going to depend on the partial-copy landing, but the current work probably needs a fair amount of review polish first. | 11:21 |
| jamesh | I didn't get round to discussing spec-branches with you, so haven't got anything to report on it | 11:21 |
| ddaa | oh right | 11:22 |
| ddaa | jamesh: let's set up a time to discuss spec-branch. Say, tomorrow 10:00 UTC? | 11:22 |
| jamesh | okay | 11:22 |
| ddaa | or later if that's okay with you :) | 11:22 |
| ddaa | poolie: anything new from the bzr-lp soap-box that you wish to mention before talking about the Singapore meeting? | 11:23 |
| jamesh | can do 11 UTC if that's better for you | 11:23 |
| ddaa | jamesh: by all means | 11:24 |
| ddaa | Tomorrow 11:00 UTC | 11:24 |
| ddaa | poolie: hello? | 11:24 |
| poolie | ddaa: tim has written up a good number of bzr-lp features | 11:25 |
| poolie | from our meeting in singapore | 11:25 |
| ddaa | okay, so let me start the next item and the stage is yours | 11:25 |
| poolie | ok | 11:25 |
| ddaa | == Singapore meeting == | 11:25 |
| ddaa | * poolie: Report on outcome of the Singapore meeting. | 11:25 |
| poolie | ok, we had a good meeting | 11:26 |
| ddaa | please, tell us what went on down there! | 11:26 |
| poolie | our effort is in three main areas | 11:26 |
| SteveA | ddaa: I'm still in the office of the silva people, so I'd like to know when there's something for them to play with | 11:26 |
| poolie | bzr by itself; bzr with launchpad; and bzr for the distro | 11:26 |
| poolie | a summary might be better done in email; i can do that later | 11:26 |
| ddaa | SteveA: barring emergencies, that could be up in production within a week. | 11:26 |
| poolie | but, there are no major changes of direction | 11:27 |
| poolie | for lp some of the top priorities are going to be | 11:27 |
| ddaa | tim alluded to the fact that he got a nice full plate | 11:28 |
| poolie | - getting more value out of attaching branches to bugs - show badges to indicate this; let people get the diff to the landing target; a simple review interface | 11:28 |
| poolie | we want to work on having private branches and products so that launchpad can dogfood more of this | 11:28 |
| poolie | also to get a code browser up | 11:28 |
| poolie | and to move jamesh's review and merge analysis tools into being launchpad features | 11:29 |
| spiv | I like the sound of all this. | 11:29 |
| jamesh | I noticed that you'd marked the braindump spec I wrote about that as obsolete | 11:29 |
| poolie | spiv, ddaa, when i've checked they're all recorded as specs i'd like to let you grab things from the feature buffet | 11:29 |
| poolie | jamesh: the one about bug-branch metadata? | 11:29 |
| jamesh | poolie: PendingReviews in launchpad | 11:29 |
| poolie | only because there are several specs in the same area and they should merge | 11:29 |
| ddaa | poolie: so you'd like use to do some spec gardening, obsoleting superceded specs in favor of the new ones? | 11:30 |
| poolie | jamesh: i don't remember changing that - maybe someone did from my machine? | 11:31 |
| ddaa | or you mean you'd like us to start implementing stuff? | 11:31 |
| poolie | ddaa, jamesh, spiv: yes, i would like if you could quickly garden the specs | 11:31 |
| jamesh | poolie: https://features.launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/+spec/pending-reviews-on-launchpad | 11:31 |
| poolie | i meant i'd like to talk about what you'll each be doing in the next while, and which features you might want to work on | 11:31 |
| ddaa | ACTION: ddaa, spiv, jamesh: garden launchpad-bazaar specs | 11:32 |
| ddaa | poolie: I'd like to focus on making vcs-imports not suck... | 11:32 |
| spiv | poolie: this should wait until you've checked the singapore specs are all recorded, I assume? | 11:32 |
| poolie | spiv: yes, that's what i meant | 11:32 |
| spiv | Good, just making sure. | 11:32 |
| ddaa | and fixing some other infrastructure issues, before adding new features | 11:33 |
| poolie | ddaa: ok, let's talk about that later - say 0900 UTC tomorrow? | 11:33 |
| ddaa | 1000 UTC? | 11:33 |
| poolie | i sympathize, i just want to understand what the roadmap is | 11:33 |
| poolie | let's start on mail first | 11:34 |
| poolie | ok | 11:34 |
| poolie | lifeless: any other notable points from singapore for you? | 11:34 |
| lifeless | yes | 11:34 |
| lifeless | one of the goals of the singpore meeting was hct planning | 11:34 |
| lifeless | cause we still want to achieve hct! | 11:34 |
| lifeless | so I'd like to give a little status update on hct. | 11:35 |
| poolie | lifeless: before you do | 11:35 |
| poolie | some of the discussion there is canonical-specific | 11:35 |
| poolie | and this is not a canonical-specific channel | 11:35 |
| ddaa | yeah, this is a bit awkyard | 11:36 |
| poolie | can we lock it or something? | 11:36 |
| poolie | who's the channel operator? | 11:36 |
| lifeless | uhm | 11:36 |
| jamesh | note that the channel is being logged | 11:36 |
| lifeless | ubuntulog is probably the problem. | 11:36 |
| lifeless | so let met say some vague things instead. | 11:36 |
| lifeless | my primary goal of having a path forward has been achieved. | 11:37 |
| lifeless | and this is tied into our long term plans as usual. | 11:37 |
| lifeless | lets talk on #canonical-meeting about the specifics | 11:37 |
| lifeless | also, edgy++. | 11:38 |
| poolie | ok | 11:39 |
| ddaa | we can go to #launchpad-basement | 11:39 |
| poolie | several package maintainers are now keeping their packaging info in bzr | 11:39 |
| poolie | we want to encourage more of this | 11:39 |
| SteveA | ddaa: in general, #launchpad-xxx channels are public, #canonical-xxx channels are private | 11:39 |
| SteveA | there are grey areas here though | 11:39 |
| lifeless | poolie: right. | 11:40 |
| lifeless | so there is a wiki page | 11:40 |
| lifeless | wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainedPackages | 11:40 |
| lifeless | I think we agreed to try and move that into launchpad | 11:40 |
| poolie | right - move this into something that's supported by launchpad, and also improve the tool experience for distro developers | 11:41 |
| poolie | ok, so, next? | 11:42 |
| poolie | helo? | 11:45 |
| lifeless | poolie: we're in #canonical-meeting | 11:45 |
| SteveA | are we done? | 12:05 |
| lifeless | we're done | 12:05 |
| lifeless | finito | 12:05 |
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