=== theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-218-185-9-170.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Thib_ [n=chatzill@netblock-66-159-222-76.dslextreme.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] hello, it was suggested I ask this non-support question here rather than in #ubuntu [12:32] I upgraded from Dapper to Edgy and no longer have a disk management tool out of the box; in Dapper it used to be System > Administration > Tool. Was that functionality removed from the default Edgy menu? === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-42-159.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] Thib_: If you don't get an answer, you can also ask on the mailing lists, which seem to be the best place to ask nontrivial questions. [12:39] Thib_: as far as I understand it, the reason that the Disks tool has been removed is because Upstream (ie. GNOME) no longer maintains that function. === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] So it has been removed from all of GNOME with 2.16 rather than just from Ubuntu. [12:39] lloydinho: oh so it *has* been removed. [12:39] lloydinho: okay that makes perfect sense. [12:40] Well, it still sucks to be without a graphical tool for disk management, but I suppose we'll have to manage for now. [12:40] just to clarify, I didn't mean to imply that was good or bad. Just wanted to know. [12:40] :-) [12:40] We do have gparted in main. [12:40] right, I like a graphical tool too. === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] cge: True. But it isn't as easily discoverable for new users. [12:41] but since I'm upgrading several machines from Dapper to Edgy and they all "succeeded" i.e. failed slightly in subtly different ways, I'm just trying to determine what is intended changes and what isn't :-) [12:41] lloydinho: Yes, it would have to be installed by default. [12:41] lloydinho: afaik there's something new that replaces it? === gasbag [n=gasbag@68-116-196-5.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] I'm happy with gparted. [12:42] jordi, not in the standard installation, as far as I can tell. [12:42] Thib_: As you can see, getting answers to questions like that here is much calmer than in #ubuntu. [12:42] But when you install Gparted it slots right into the System -> Administration menu. [12:43] cge: it is :-) I just didn't realize this place existed. [12:43] lloydinho: It appears that gparted is installed by default in the LiveCD, but not in the default installation. [12:43] lloydinho: it does? mine didn't, or maybe I need to log out and back in [12:44] Thib_: probably. [12:44] Thib_: It does. [12:44] Thib_: You could also try killing the panel. [12:44] killing the panel? [12:45] lol I've never thought about doing that :-) [12:45] does it, like, come back to life? [12:45] Thib_: killall gnome-panel [12:45] Thib_: gnome-session brings it back to life, yes. [12:45] aha! [12:45] yes, now the icon is there [12:45] brilliant [12:46] well I learned two things today, that's great [12:46] many thanks, cge and lloydinho === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] Oh, and by the way: It's okay to come in here and ask a few questions when there's little developer activity, but generally the core-devs really like to keep the noise down in here, so they'll send you back #ubuntu [12:46] _to:_ #ubuntu [12:47] lloydinho: No one answers questions like that #ubuntu, unfortunately. === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] Hm. That is unfortunate. Maybe we should get Seveas to teach Ubotu about it. :-) [12:48] We need an #ubuntu-nontrivial channel. [12:48] jeez, there's almost a thousand users in #ubuntu. [12:49] lloydinho: And it moves so fast that nontrivial questions become lost. [12:49] lol [12:49] well yeah [12:49] Yes. Problem would be that everybody will demand Special Attention (TM) and will go straight to the -nontrivial channel. [12:49] it's okay though, I know when I'm asking something out of the ordinary and I don't expect immediate technical answers, especially in a busy channel. [12:50] (at least that was the last explanation I heard). [12:50] lloydinho: Yes, that's probably true. === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] lloydinho: I'll have to think about ways to have a channel like that without having that problem. === jeefers [n=jeefers@oh-76-1-36-130.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] cge: Sounds like a good idea. If you come up with something good, write an email to the sounder mailing list or try to put it in a spec for discussion. [12:52] lloydinho: I will. [12:54] By the way, does anyone know if the official edgy cds that are being sold are pressed? None of the vendors say anything about the actual cds, and since they all sell burned CDs for nearly everything else, they probably need to mention it. [12:55] Otherwise very few people are going to want to buy what appears to be a CD-R with edgy on it. [12:57] cge: There will be official Ubuntu DVDs that you can buy off amazon and such, I think. [12:58] cge: there's a list of authorized vendors as well: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu#buycurrent [12:58] lloydinho: There are places linked from ubuntu.com as selling "Official Ubuntu Edgy CDs", but since those places mainly sell burned CDs of linux distributions, it makes it look like that is what they are selling, even though I think they are selling pressed CDs from Canonical. [12:59] cge: oh. Well, I guess that would be their own fault, really. [12:59] lloydinho: Ok, I'll try contacting them about it then. === ivoks [n=ivoks@34-207.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] Cool, Goodnight. === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-42-159.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hangfire [n=brad777m@201.139.155.132.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hangfire [n=brad777m@201.139.155.132.cableonline.com.mx] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jeefers [n=jeefers@oh-76-1-32-32.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@apricot-04.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giri [n=giri@ool-18b86566.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-207.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kro [n=user@63.116.14.54] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cge [n=costi@adsl-69-230-17-36.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-207.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@67.97.251.10] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] When does feisty start? Whats the best way to keep up with development. Is there a specific fiesty irc channel/mailing list/etc? === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:56] kro: after the development meeting (which is from the 5th to the 10th of november) [02:56] kro: this channel the ubuntu-devel mailing lis tis the best place to keep an eye on i guess [02:56] I have heard that there was/is some discussion here on ndiswrapper [02:57] I am developer of ndiswrapper [02:57] wondering if anyone wants to let me know any decisions / feedback / comments [03:05] Lathiat: thanks [03:09] giri: Doesnt' seem to be too many people around atm, might be best to try another time [03:09] I think everybody is celebrating or something :) [03:09] Lathiat: heh; ok, thanks [03:10] later === giri [n=giri@ool-18b86566.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === comstat [n=comstat@e182034209.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === comstat [n=comstat@e182034209.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] === soothsay [n=soothsay@bas5-montreal02-1167963408.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] Should gnome-power-manager run with superuser priviliges? [03:43] soothsay: no, it is a desktop service. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:45] Okay, how can I quickly check if it is operating reasonably correctly? Suspend works for me when running the script in /etc/acpid but not through the 'logout' menu. I'm doing gnome-power-manager --verbose: Should it log suspend attempts? AC disconnection? [03:51] Never mind, was missing --no-daemon === soothsay [n=soothsay@bas5-montreal02-1167963408.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.66.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-c66cd952f92b0aa7] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:24] hrm. 64% into edgy install, access to the CD stops. [04:24] ultimately freezing the entire thing. === nkassi [n=nkassi@WK20-156.lewisweb.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub checks CD === awbassett [n=thehound@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-a8665155c11080fa] has joined #ubuntu-devel === awbassett [n=awbasset@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack_ [n=rudi@p508DA2E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maxflax [n=max@h232n3c1o269.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:54] Whats the deal with ubuntu and alsa-driver 1.0.13 .. ? === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-237-80-168.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:00] maxflax: as I've stated in #alsa, if your issues are exhibited in upstream's 1.0.13, it's not Ubuntu's problem === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DA2E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maxflax [n=max@h232n3c1o269.bredband.skanova.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === DeadlyTiga [n=andi@p549B1E05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AED887.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:24] is there a way to list all packages that place files in /etc/init.d, even those not instaleld? [05:26] robertj: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search init.d [05:26] sweet! [05:27] robertj: apt-file search etc/init.d if you want to restrict to /etc/init.d, instead of any init.d directory, clearly. === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.229.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [n=mas01cr@gibbons.doc.gold.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=Jack@61.51.188.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-247-230-38.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.237.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=Jack@61.51.188.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@83-131-72-85.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mnepton [n=mneptok@montreal.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack_ [n=rudi@p508D8FF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=Jack@61.51.188.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === a7p [n=Albrecht@p509230DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-238-192.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@adsl-68-88-136-133.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === predius [i=predius@knd.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C0BE9C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === naxx [n=unknown@mail.lrc-admin.com.hk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] ||.Req.:|| Help on building a debian package |pm me pls ;)|| [07:39] naxx: ask in #ubuntu-motu [07:40] thx [07:40] i'll try === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] fabbione: thanks for teh logging === anibal_ [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === armeida_ [n=armeida^@213.144.15.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:46] Burgundavia: ? 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[08:31] hey ajmitch ! [08:32] hi [08:32] Good morning [08:32] hey ajmitch, how are you? === jinty [n=jinty@127.Red-83-50-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] good, how are you? [08:34] LARGE AND IN CHARGE! [08:35] *ahem* [08:35] ready for UDS? :) [08:35] sorry. [08:35] hehe [08:35] pitti: you don't mind if I start stealing merges of stuff I need? :) [08:35] since you touched samba last [08:35] ajmitch: BEWARE!!!1! [08:36] ajmitch: of course I don't, go ahead ;) [08:36] ajmitch: I'd just appreciate a quick ping for every package to avoid duplicate work [08:37] pitti: yeah, that's why I'm asking now === jeefers [n=jeefers@oh-76-1-32-32.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] hi slomo_ [08:39] besides, I have to wait until we hear that it's ok to play in the feisty sandpit [08:40] ajmitch: the toolchain is not there yet [08:40] I know [08:40] but you can still merge and make sure it works [08:40] once the toolchain is unleashed you can rebuild and retest [08:40] I've got enough things to do before I upload === DaGame [n=TheGame@210-86-83-83.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] when do we see a feisty pre-release, darnit!!! [08:44] BHSPitMonkey: first week of december or thereabouts. [08:44] tfheen: you're RM for feisty? [08:44] seriously? that's actually sooner than I thought. [08:44] wana fite [08:44] and I was being facetious before === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:45] BHSPitMonkey: I'll at least take a look whether it's feasible. [08:45] I'm pretty happy with edgy, although I do have some issues (and I didn't upgrade!) [08:46] ajmitch: we haven't really discussed it, but both mdz and the rest of the release team seems to be happy with what I did for edgy and it was fun, so I think I'll RM feisty too, yes. [08:46] tfheen, are there even goals set out? [08:46] BHSPitMonkey: specs have been proposed, but not drafted and approved. [08:47] a lot of the concept of planning features specifically for OS+1 confuses me... it seems like just intentionally holding back a feature [08:47] BHSPitMonkey: it's only six months until feisty is released. That's not very much time. [08:47] in order to pretty up a new release [08:47] it's often needed in order to have time to get it ready [08:48] so it makes sense to plan which direction we want features to take over longer periods of time than just the next six months. [08:48] some of our specs may only be implemented in 12-18 months [08:49] no, it's like... "We need this, and this, and this improved! But as soon as it's been coded, let it sit on the shelf until the +1 release, so the release looks really big!" [08:49] stuff generally don't get implemented and then shelved [08:49] what features do you think were held back? [08:49] why not have improvements in constant supply, that's just my dilemma [08:50] anything that's not ready by feature freeze doesn't go in - there has to be tiem to stabilise a release [08:50] and I'm not trying to argue or dissent or anything, I'm saying I don't really understand how these decisions work [08:50] generally it comes down to whether we have time to implement stuff properly. [08:50] it's much better to have one well-working feature than three mostly-broken ones [08:51] ok, well how does everything happen to be ready at the time of release === mnepton stifles a laugh === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:52] define "ready" >:) [08:52] why didn't tomboy or usplash (for vague example) get floated into dapper when they were done [08:52] tfheen: is it still a possibility that there might be a permanent 'unstable' release for ubuntu at some stage? === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-247-230-38.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:52] mnepton, I'm not strong enough to withstand you tonight :S [08:52] it's late [08:52] BHSPitMonkey: usplash was in dapper. [08:52] BHSPitMonkey: you can install Tomboy on Dapper, it's just not a package in the defaults. [08:52] tfheen, poorly stated- I meant the "purdy" usplash [08:53] BHSPitMonkey: and tomboy is in main in dapper too. It just wasn't part of the default install. [08:53] BHSPitMonkey: because that wasn't coded until two months after dapper released? === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] and to answer the "how is everything ready" question. Well, if it's not, we should already have dropped it earlier. :-) [08:54] 5~ === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === karora [n=andrew@debian/developer/awm] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BHSPitMonkey_ [n=stephen@adsl-65-67-112-77.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] sorry, my ISP gave out on me about 5 minutes ago [09:01] IP rotation === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@88-107-3-169.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] my point before was, why aren't things like those "updates" to dapper? because this way, edgy can look like a bigger deal, right? [09:04] BHSPitMonkey: dapper has been released as stable and therefor it gets ONLY security or major bug fixes [09:04] by policy [09:04] new crack -> new release === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-237-80-168.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] gotcha === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B34ED.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] good morning [09:09] morning daniel :) [09:09] hey Andrew [09:09] excited about feisty? :) [09:10] YEAH :-) [09:10] EXCELLENT! === ajmitch is starting on some merges tonight [09:11] hey dholbach! [09:11] heya mvo [09:11] hey mvo [09:11] hey ajmitch! === jack_wyt [n=Jack@61.51.188.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] phanatic: ping :P === towsonu2003 [n=towsonu2@c-69-251-20-244.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === malcc [n=malcolm@host86-135-237-55.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous_ [n=dous@ubuntu/member/dous] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight_ [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight_ is now known as twilight === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] hi mdz [10:10] morning === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] morning mdz [10:15] morning mdz === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491F468.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] BHSPitMonkey: if it helps to understand, note that the new usplash required a bunch of changes in other packages, including a very complicated set of changes in the installer [10:24] hi guys what's this about Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed [10:24] BHSPitMonkey: even if we did do updates of that kind to dapper, this wasn't just one package that could have been dropped in === gebruiker [n=gebruike@81.58.38.138] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Znarl [n=karl@bb-82-108-14-161.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] I created a init script that changes the name of the ubuntu hostname, when should this be executed? At runlevel rcS? [10:32] gebruiker: why not just change the file /etc/hostname? [10:32] cjwatson: it depends when it's executed. you also want /proc/sys/kernel/hostname [10:33] /etc/init.d/hostname.sh already reads /etc/hostname and sets the hostname according to that [10:33] there is no need for another init script [10:33] oh right. there is that one too [10:33] cjwatson, We are selling ubuntu desktops, one of them contains 3 pc's and a printer, two of them ubuntu and 1 of them windows. We are cloning the hd images. Two computers can't have the same hostname on a lan [10:34] gebruiker: set /etc/hostname after cloning [10:34] gebruiker: that cannot possibly be harder than adding an init script [10:34] I'm able to add a init script, however, I was wondering wheiter it should be added at system level or elsewhere. [10:35] there's no point in adding an init script [10:35] if you need to set the hostname dynamically, then either edit /etc/init.d/hostname.sh or use DHCP [10:35] (there's a "host-name" option in DHCP - it's only honoured if the hostname is not set though) [10:36] the script that changes the hostname, invokes oem-config-prepare. So it has to done correctly. === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B1D07.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:37] oem-config-prepare is supposed to be run before shipping to the end user, not after - I can't think why it would need to be run from an init script [10:38] the computer is not installed with just ubuntu, it has additional software to. [10:38] and pre-installed printer configurations etc.. etc.. === heno [n=henrik@host-81-191-165-41.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] fabbione: FYI, glibc 2.5 is rocking fine here :) === jinty [n=jinty@127.Red-83-50-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:57] pitti: what arch? [10:57] fabbione: amd64 [10:58] pitti: ok. [10:58] make sure that you will reinstall them once feisty is open [10:58] sure === Spads [n=spacehob@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] hello === finalbeta_ [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode [n=lastnode@220.247.245.68] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gebruiker [n=gebruike@81.58.38.138] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FIRST [n=________@62.33.191.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FIRST [n=________@62.33.191.125] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dexem_away is now known as dexem === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DaGame [n=TheGame@210-86-83-83.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.24] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@vpn74.mip.uni-hannover.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] mvo, do we have a sCIM team in LP to assign bugs to ? [11:36] *SCIM === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD9508571.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] ogra: only cjk-testers [11:37] ogra: what bug is it? [11:37] bug 37711 [11:37] Malone bug 37711 in scim-qtimm "Qt/SCIM broken (Cannot enter numbers in to spinbox widget)" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37711 [11:37] it evolved from being a scribus bug to becoming a SCIM one ... === FireRabb1t [n=FireRabb@216.127.61.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] *something* is broken with SCIM and Qt, just that we don't know who/how to debug it [11:40] sladen, right, but i'm not doing anything with SCIM at all ... thats why i wanted to reassign it to the appropriate people === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] hm, 8 duplicates :/ === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight_ [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:47] it might make sense to rename the cjk-testers into a cjk-hackers team and attract a different set of people also :) === dholbach is pondering doing that with pdatesters too :) === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-b8d716caa28b8177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] dholbach, good idea === tkamppeter [i=till@nat/mandriva/x-21ba9a262ba4973a] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] hi tkamppeter === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] hi pitti === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A6716D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sladen reassigns to the cjk-team === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@ubuntu/member/ozamosi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekor1 [n=markus@vpn131.mip.uni-hannover.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekor1 [n=markus@vpn131.mip.uni-hannover.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FireRabbit [n=FireRabb@216.127.61.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-48-221.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] Gloubiboulga: you heard of the xubuntu-derived livecd? http://www.golem.de/0610/48635.html ? [12:22] dholbach, yes, that's really good news for the xubuntu team :) [12:23] *very* good :) === dholbach hugs Gloubiboulga and highvoltage === highvoltage used to use xfld before xubuntu existed [12:23] yay! free hugs! [12:23] hehe === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] I'll give it a try this week === ogra wonders why people have exim4 on a liveCD [12:25] good question === highvoltage wonders why people have exim4 to begin with === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] highvoltage: Because they have taste. [12:32] :O [12:32] seb128, dholbach: (process:7014): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_get_font_options: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed [12:32] are these just warnings? [12:32] highvoltage: Alternately, "an MTA flamewar on #-devel is pointless, please don't" [12:32] I can't believe there are exim4-lovers in Melbourne. [12:33] doko: looks like a program bug === Fujitsu leaves Melbourne upon making this terrible, terrible discovery. [12:33] infinity: apologies, I had no intention of starting a flamewar, I think my little joke needed a smiley face. I have no grudges against exim4 [12:34] Gloubiboulga: is that the offical Xfce livecd? [12:34] Gloubiboulga: is there anything in English to link to? === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] sladen, http://www.xfld.com/ [12:35] the Xfce devs are not involved in this project AFAIK [12:37] Keybuk: can you please fix MoM to generate changelogs for feisty? [12:40] pitti: I believe it does already, although it will only affect merges generated since that change was made, obviously. [12:40] Fujitsu: ah, ok [12:40] Fujitsu: In regards to your terrible discovery, are you moving to Sydney? :-P [12:40] I've noted a couple of mine have had feisty there. [12:41] StevenK: Oh no.. Not you too!? [12:41] pitti: hmm? [12:41] Fujitsu: 220 enervated.wedontsleep.org ESMTP Exim 4.63 Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:41:31 +1100 [12:41] Keybuk: see above, seems to be already fixed === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] Argh, I live in an Exim-loving nation :( [12:42] pitti: I haven't refreshed MoM yet [12:42] nor have I begun the syncs [12:42] Keybuk: I started doing my merges, and the current MoM output is good enough for me at least (I check that it has the current version anyway) [12:43] you can't test them yet, let alone upload them! [12:43] Keybuk: The latter is understandable, but the former may good to perform... [12:43] Keybuk: I don't upload them yet :) [12:43] Keybuk: But merges can be done, then tested and uploaded later. Less time wastage. [12:43] Gloubiboulga: so this isn't an offical livecd? [12:43] but now is a good time to review diffs, send patches upstream, merge packages, etc. [12:43] and test them with libc 2.5 [12:44] a fair point [12:44] I'll regenerate them [12:44] pitti, exactly. Right now, when there's little else to do, doing merges is a good idea. [12:44] Thanks Keybuk. [12:44] pitti: glibc ain't enough.. really.. [12:44] Keybuk: the only thing that concerns me is that we don't have the newer gcc yet [12:44] Fujitsu: specs would be a better idea ? :) [12:44] pitti: you also need binutils, kernel headers and gcc [12:45] and glibc still need some love [12:45] Keybuk: Possibly... But I'm not a speccy person :P [12:45] fabbione: I know, but for patch review and initial testing it should be good enough for most packagages [12:45] sladen, I don't think so === giskard_ [n=giskard@213-140-6-106.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] pitti: nope.. not really.. there are some radical changes in binutils/glibc that is not part of the binaries you are using [12:46] fabbione: I can decide whether or not we can drop Ubuntu changes regardless of our toolchain [12:46] oh yeah that's for sure === StevenK ought to poke mpt about the about-ubuntu spec. [12:46] of course I'll test my current stack of merges again with the new toolchain [12:47] I can't test most of mine until after they're uploaded anyway (installer) [12:47] at least not without vast amounts of effort [12:47] Fujitsu: get writing specs! [12:47] it's far more economical for me to chuck them into the archive and test once everything's assembled === infinity has noticed this chucking in action. [12:48] In fact, is there anything in the queue that you didn't upload? :) [12:48] not AFAIK :) [12:48] oh infinity.. somebody should whitelist LP in feisty-changes ML [12:48] fabbione: Yeah, it's not my list. [12:48] ok... [12:48] who is the one? [12:48] is feisty-changes actually working? [12:48] I don't see a mail for base-files [12:49] Keybuk: read 5 lines above [12:49] feisty-changes list run by lists at admin.canonical.com [12:49] Keybuk: No, hence the need to whitelist LP. === infinity goes to poke -sysadmin [12:50] ah, heh [12:50] and someone should do a user migration from edgy-changes to feisty as well [12:50] ogra: no you need to subscribe yourself manually [12:50] unless thats already done [12:50] infinity: I've got 50+ to merge before the installer works at all, so getting started early has generally proven to be a good plan :) [12:50] fabbione, since when ? [12:50] since dapper [12:50] we always had auto migration between releases, no ? [12:50] nope [12:50] oh [12:50] ok [12:51] Keybuk: as far as I can see, setup-console-under-usplash will Just Work as soon as I remove the safety catches [12:51] cjwatson: isn't that the best kind of spec? [12:52] indeed [12:52] no kernel problems at all [12:53] I took out the setupcon call in /etc/init.d/usplash and took out the check for a running usplash in /etc/init.d/console-setup [12:53] infinity: any idea about bug 63676 ? [12:53] Malone bug 63676 in openoffice.org "OpenOffice Crashes on Launch" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63676 === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] cjwatson: what caused the console corruption? [12:57] doko: /usr/lib/libpthread.so.0 isn't a binary we ship (ours is in /lib) [12:57] Keybuk: probably attempting to fiddle with usplash's own tty [12:58] rather than ttys 1 to 6 [12:58] doko: Same with /usr/lib/libc6.so.6 [12:58] ah, how are we ignoring that now? [12:58] 1..6 or checking for !KD_TEXT ? [12:58] Keybuk: we aren't - console-setup was fixed to talk to the right ttys [12:58] doko: They have a non-standard libc installed. Not. Our. Problem. [12:58] Keybuk: using its existing configuration for which are the active consoles (/dev/tty[1-6] ) [12:58] ok === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] my only concern there is that it will break if someone disables tty2, etc. [12:59] but that concern is probably petty and woefully misplaced at this time [12:59] Keybuk: then it's easy to edit /etc/default/console-setup [12:59] Keybuk, nout for ltsp [12:59] might be worth checking the console mode [01:00] iterate active vts, check for KD_TEXT, and only then setup ? [01:00] that'd skip the X and usplash consoles [01:00] would be better to make consolechars (setfont in Feisty) do that check rather than pissing about trying to check it from shell [01:00] yes [01:00] unless we get /sbin/ioctl :p [01:00] which I still want [01:01] can someone please update the Release files in edgy-{backports,updates,security} so debmirror will mirror again? :) [01:01] infinity: thanks === ogra wonders wh< Keybuk isnt mentioned in the "people leaving debain" article in the recent german linux magazine edition ... [01:01] mmm... /sbin/ioctl KDGETMODE ... [01:01] :p [01:01] mjg59 is though [01:01] mark: what's wrong with them? [01:01] debmirror complains about missing gpg signatures [01:01] cjwatson: they don't exist [01:01] let me check [01:01] uh [01:01] doko: Though the fglrx thing is interesting as well (but I'm not sure I care today) [01:01] yes they do [01:01] wrong window, and wrong person [01:02] mark: debmirror works fine for me ?!? === pupeno__ [n=pupeno@200.123.183.89] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] infinity: You mean the lack of DRI in Edgy? [01:02] Hello. === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti waves to zul [01:02] Fujitsu: No. That's known and a simple workaround. [01:02] Fujitsu: Disable composite, DRI works, the end. [01:02] I have just installe Edgy and it seems cryptsetup is broken. I've searched in the bugs database but I've found no mention of it. Does anybody know about this ? === zul waves back to pitti [01:03] Won't mirror without dists/edgy-updates/main/debian-installer/binary-amd64/Packages.gz signature in Release at /usr/bin/debmirror line 1300. [01:03] pupeno__: What do you mean broken? It won't ask for a password? [01:03] Fujitsu: it fails to create a crypted volume, missmatched version of tools and module. [01:03] mark: ok, would have helped a lot if you'd mentioned that earlier :) [01:03] doh [01:03] root@plab:~# cryptsetup -y create pupeno /dev/hda3 [01:03] Command failed: Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.07 (2006-05-11)(compat) and kernel driver [01:03] there is no debian-installer [01:04] indeed [01:04] cjwatson: it would've helped a lot if I had used my brain earlier ;) [01:04] tell debmirror not to try to mirror it :) === mark sits in a corner [01:05] the error message is perhaps not entirely ideal [01:05] I just looked at the date 'august 8' of the release files and thought "they must be out of date" [01:05] there haven't been any updates published yet [01:06] so nothing has caused the Release files to be rewritten === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-65-88.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] Here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/28971 , some more information. Can anybody confirm/deny this problem ? [01:08] assuming dists/edgy/main/debian-installer/ will never change again, I won't have to mirror that dir [01:11] pitti: please don't file syncs! [01:11] Keybuk: why not? [01:11] we're not in upstream version freeze [01:11] so syncs will happen automatically [01:11] unless you are meaning that changes are to be dropped from a merge? [01:11] Keybuk: erm, for locally modified packages??? [01:12] Keybuk: yes, that's what I do [01:12] ok, sorry [01:12] Keybuk: *phew* :) [01:12] I didn't see a summary of ubuntu changes in your first mails [01:12] so assumed you were doing "update these to Debian" :) [01:12] just noticed you added that in a reply to each [01:12] Keybuk: I use requestsync to file them and then add a followup with the explanation [01:12] *nods* [01:12] I can see that now === snowblink [n=snowblin@wind.snowblink.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tmarble [n=tmarble@209.162.59.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee hugs requestsync [01:13] Keybuk: maybe I should teach requestsync to spawn $EDITOR for this case [01:13] doesn't matter really, when read in LP it will look normal [01:13] I was just reading the e-mail === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.63.61] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] so, cryptsetup seems to be really broken :( [01:15] pupeno__: file a bug? [01:16] Hobbsee: I am in the process, but there are other bugs for it already. What I don't understand is how people got so far to find out the other bugs since the one I've found should have stopped them earlier. [01:16] I see startup messages are no longer logged to the serial console in edgy - is this because of upstart/logd? [01:16] Keybuk: gnutls12 was removed in Debian; will some magick indicate that it should be removed from Ubuntu as well, or shall I file a bug for that? [01:16] mark: remove "quiet" from the kernel command-line [01:16] pitti: file a bug [01:16] Keybuk: thanks [01:18] how come the source for pine is not included in ubuntu as it is on debian? [01:19] tepsipakki: because pine users should be burnt at the stake (not the correct answer) [01:20] tepsipakki: seriously, i suspect because no-one has asked for it, and it would probably need to go into multiverse [01:20] thom: yes, multiverse would be the place [01:20] there should be GNU pain === lukketto [n=lukketto@host238-159-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] is there a file like http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release which gives the correct answer to the question "what are the current supported releases of Ubuntu?" ? [01:21] thom: we have maybe 10000 users who use it more or less frequently. I can already smell them :) [01:22] for example that page has Hoary as supported but it's been 18 months since release, so I would expect that to become "Supported: 0"? [01:22] tepsipakki: just install mutt with the pine theme and symlink pine to it :-) [01:22]