| crimsun | git-format-patch -o ~/logs master | 12:11 |
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| LaserJock | *well | 12:11 |
| crimsun | err, oops | 12:11 |
| luisbg | the bright side is... all the hype means ubuntu is really getting a huge user base | 12:11 |
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| luisbg | how many machines running ubuntu do you reckon? | 12:12 |
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| LaserJock | theCore: http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/all-packages.html has pretty much all the info you need | 12:12 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: hey, it's your sound you're playing fast and loose with | 12:12 |
| theCore | LaserJock, thanks | 12:12 |
| imbrandon | luisbg: last i heard there was 12 million installs last est bt canonical but thats a few months ago | 12:12 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: who needs sound anyway? | 12:12 |
| crimsun | not me! | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | s/bt/by | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | i have no idea how they come up with the numbers | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: I honestly don't use sound very much as I usually work around people who are annoyed by it | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | ntp | 12:13 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: sound's one of those things people just tend not to notice unless it doesn't work | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | i cant live without my amarok, i hope my rommie in mtv likes my music heh | 12:13 |
| crimsun | then all hell breaks loose | 12:14 |
| LaserJock | yep | 12:14 |
| imbrandon | crimsun: kinda like email | 12:14 |
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| imbrandon | i learned one thing working for an ISP as a sysadmin for 9 years, someones website can be down for 2 days and they whine a little and you might get a phone call , possibly , but if email is down 20 minutes the phone is off the hook and all hell breaks loose | 12:15 |
| theCore | hmm... no bug | 12:15 |
| luisbg | I want to know how ubuntu works from the inside out in depth... where should I go? (is there a free online version of the ubuntu book? and is it too user oriented?) | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | yeah, mine was down for 3 *days* | 12:15 |
| imbrandon | wow | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | good thing I know the sysadmin | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | or he'd be having some hate mail when he got the server up again ;-) | 12:16 |
| theCore | I wonder what cause bug 57951 | 12:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 57951 in xchat "xchat crashes frequently on quit" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/57951 | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | luisbg: alot of things arent 100% transparent but look into the debian way and its very similar | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | luisbg: things like soyuz isnt "open" etc to know exactly how it works | 12:16 |
| luisbg | imbrandon, why not? | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | luisbg: Launchpad is a closed source app | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | luisbg: i dont know to be honest | 12:17 |
| bhale | even if it was open, it would be less than useful | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | very true | 12:17 |
| luisbg | lol | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | but LP is closed for one and we rely on it | 12:17 |
| bhale | its managed by a very large staff of programmers and sysadmins | 12:17 |
| bhale | across many servers | 12:17 |
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| imbrandon | yup | 12:17 |
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| bhale | if you had the code you couldnt easily use it | 12:17 |
| luisbg | my question is where can I get the information of how ubuntu works, a easy to follow documentation | 12:17 |
| bhale | can you narrow that down a bit? | 12:18 |
| imbrandon | luisbg: there are thousands of ways that can be intrepreted | 12:18 |
| imbrandon | how in what way> | 12:18 |
| imbrandon | ? | 12:18 |
| luisbg | I have a lot of docu about packaging, and have started doing my packaging | 12:18 |
| imbrandon | we're happy to help when we can or point you in the right direction but we need a little more focus | 12:18 |
| luisbg | but with time would like to help the core-dev | 12:18 |
| imbrandon | luisbg: then the best thing in that respect is learn as much about packaing as you can and all the diffrent ways it can be done and such | 12:19 |
| imbrandon | to start with | 12:19 |
| luisbg | is there a "and then..."? | 12:20 |
| imbrandon | like python packaing , ruby packing , mono-cli packing , library packing etc are all slightly diffrent | 12:20 |
| imbrandon | the and then is to start working on main bugs as a MOTU with a core-dev sponsor or sponsors, after some time you go infront of the TB | 12:20 |
| imbrandon | and they vouch for you and your woprk is reviewed | 12:21 |
| luisbg | TB? | 12:21 |
| imbrandon | if all go's well you are core-dev with main upload rights ( this is all greately simplified ) | 12:21 |
| imbrandon | technical board | 12:21 |
| luisbg | oh ok | 12:22 |
| luisbg | thanks for the info imbrandon =) | 12:22 |
| imbrandon | :) | 12:22 |
| luisbg | I have started trying to fix unmetdep bugs, have uploaded some debdiffs to launchpad | 12:23 |
| bhale | you have to have *significant* experience before going for core-dev | 12:23 |
| bhale | not to discourage, but you cant rush it | 12:23 |
| luisbg | but I still have a long travel of learning =) which is always good | 12:23 |
| luisbg | I have no rush | 12:23 |
| imbrandon | luisbg: great , thats some good first steps for MOTU , keep it up, if you stick with it and us in here you'll mpick it up soon enough :) | 12:23 |
| luisbg | I want to contribute, not have this or that "label", plus... I want to learn as much as I can, in its rythm | 12:24 |
| luisbg | imbrandon, will do ;) | 12:24 |
| luisbg | the only thing I want to rush is having at least one point of karma in the launchpad LOL | 12:25 |
| luisbg | that "0" looks so sad | 12:25 |
| imbrandon | luisbg: i can tell you one thing, i lurked in here for 3 months without saying much of anything before i started asking questions etc , that is when you learn the basics ( every one is diffrent but i learn by watching ) | 12:25 |
| azeem | bddebian: do you still have your bkchem package around? | 12:25 |
| bhale | imbrandon: hah it sucked being first | 12:25 |
| bhale | imbrandon: i felt like an idiot talking to mdz | 12:26 |
| imbrandon | luisbg: thats not to say dont ask , i was just giving what __I__ did | 12:26 |
| luisbg | imbrandon, are you asking me to "shut up and listen"? (not in a degrading way of course) | 12:26 |
| imbrandon | no no not at all | 12:26 |
| luisbg | imbrandon, LOL | 12:26 |
| imbrandon | i'm saying you can learn alot though by watching | 12:26 |
| imbrandon | bhale: hehe | 12:26 |
| imbrandon | bhale: my core-dev interview was 1+ hour long just on __me__ , i thought for sure i wouldent get it after that long, but i did :) | 12:27 |
| bhale | heh | 12:27 |
| imbrandon | like an hour and 15 minutes or something close to that | 12:27 |
| bhale | its getting harder | 12:27 |
| bhale | because the TB doesnt know everyone personally | 12:27 |
| bddebian | azeem: Yeah, I think so, why? | 12:28 |
| imbrandon | yea and working mostly only on KDE packages myself they knew me very little | 12:28 |
| imbrandon | they == TB | 12:28 |
| azeem | bddebian: did you use python-support or python-central or something? | 12:28 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: to be fair, only about half that amount of time was TB actually "grilling" you. | 12:28 |
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| imbrandon | crimsun: true | 12:29 |
| imbrandon | alot was lag time waiting | 12:29 |
| imbrandon | but it seemed like forever | 12:29 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 12:29 |
| crimsun | yes, it always seems like an eternity when you're in the hot seat | 12:30 |
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| crimsun | once hobbsee is core-dev, you guys will be on a roll | 12:30 |
| imbrandon | heh yea | 12:30 |
| imbrandon | definatly | 12:30 |
| imbrandon | +e in there somewherre | 12:30 |
| bddebian | azeem: pycentral | 12:31 |
| imbrandon | i hate this notebok keyboard | 12:31 |
| bddebian | Gotta eat dinner, bbiab | 12:31 |
| imbrandon | trying to use it more though so i can make sure all my "essentials" are on it and ready for MTV | 12:31 |
| azeem | bddebian: cool, can you put it up somewhere? We need to migrate the unofficial bkchem package to new python policy, that would help a lot | 12:32 |
| imbrandon | as before i just used it as a "backup" when i wasent at my desktop | 12:32 |
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| imbrandon | luisbg: there is a transition most of the time going on that new packagers can "get their feet wet" with too | 12:39 |
| imbrandon | like unmetdeps etc | 12:40 |
| luisbg | etc? | 12:40 |
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| luisbg | unmetdeps are great for me right now =) | 12:41 |
| imbrandon | etc means , ummm ectectra ( sp? ) | 12:41 |
| luisbg | too bad this days most unmetdeps are bigger bugs camouflaged, you guys did a hell of a job making all good for edgy | 12:41 |
| luisbg | ironic I want feisty to come and things to get wild, to have more stuff to play with :P | 12:41 |
| LaserJock | luisbg: me too, I'd like to go for core-dev sometime during Feisty | 12:42 |
| luisbg | imbrandon, I meant... can you make that etc broader? | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | but I need some practice with some sponsored uploads | 12:42 |
| luisbg | LaserJock, good luck | 12:43 |
| imbrandon | oh like a while back the libgamin transition ( rebuilds to make packages not use it anymore ) and ummm dh_iconcache from packages where it was missing | 12:43 |
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| luisbg | I see a bright future for you :P | 12:43 |
| imbrandon | but those are both done, new ones will come along | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | luisbg: well, I'm not nearly as good as imbrandon or ajmitch or crimsun or bhale :/ | 12:43 |
| luisbg | imbrandon, will be looking forward to give a hand in future transitions | 12:44 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: blasphmey | 12:44 |
| imbrandon | :) | 12:44 |
| luisbg | LaserJock, practice makes perfection (insert karate kid quote here) | 12:44 |
| crimsun | s/crimsun/bddebian/ | 12:44 |
| imbrandon | s/imbrandon/crimsun/ | 12:44 |
| imbrandon | :) | 12:44 |
| crimsun | I don't think I'm going to win this battle. | 12:45 |
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| luisbg | LaserJock, damn you and your ponies | 12:45 |
| LaserJock | don't blame me, I didn't start it | 12:45 |
| === imbrandon is working twords a golden pony for Feisty | ||
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| joejaxx | LaserJock: guess what? | 12:46 |
| imbrandon | instead of champaigne i'll spray mt dew everywhere :) | 12:46 |
| joejaxx | at does not work! :D | 12:46 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: Lol | 12:46 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: also i did pbuilder debuild *.dsc but it did not build any packages | 12:47 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: well, you could sell your golden pony for a truck load of Mt. Dew | 12:47 |
| imbrandon | pbuilder build file.dsc | 12:47 |
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| joejaxx | imbrandon: i know i did that | 12:47 |
| imbrandon | not debuild | 12:47 |
| luisbg | bbl | 12:47 |
| joejaxx | i do not get debian files from that though | 12:47 |
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| LaserJock | joejaxx: where did you look for the .deb ? | 12:48 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx: look in /var/cache/pbuilder/result | 12:48 |
| joejaxx | oh | 12:48 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: imbrandon i have a question about the at package | 12:48 |
| joejaxx | well it is my question before but | 12:49 |
| joejaxx | when you install at in debstrap it does not configure right | 12:49 |
| joejaxx | someone told me to look at strace | 12:49 |
| joejaxx | and that it was not outputting to syslog | 12:49 |
| jdong | would a MOTU be willing to consider looking at an azureus edgy-updates candidate for me? | 12:49 |
| joejaxx | he package configuration fails on starting the at daemon | 12:50 |
| jdong | full sources at http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/azureus-edgy/, closes bug 42269 | 12:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42269 in azureus "Does not create a tray icon" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42269 | 12:50 |
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| imbrandon | debootstap starts a daemon >? | 12:51 |
| crimsun | jdong: matthias's will probably supercede that. | 12:51 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: no | 12:51 |
| jdong | crimsun: matthias's what? | 12:52 |
| joejaxx | chroot'd inside the debstrap environment | 12:52 |
| jdong | did he have a fix ready to upload already? | 12:52 |
| joejaxx | as in | 12:52 |
| crimsun | jdong: azureus package | 12:52 |
| jdong | crimsun: his is broken, or is there one that I don't know about? | 12:52 |
| joejaxx | chroot dbstrap-test | 12:52 |
| joejaxx | apt-get install at | 12:52 |
| crimsun | jdong: the latter, he was supposed to email mdz | 12:52 |
| jdong | ah, ok | 12:52 |
| jdong | I didn't know | 12:52 |
| crimsun | that's ok, you have a life. | 12:53 |
| jdong | crimsun: sadly, I don't think I do :D | 12:53 |
| bddebian | azeem: I'll stick it on bddebian.com, give me a sec | 12:53 |
| jdong | I've just been too absorbed in other nerdy stuff :) | 12:53 |
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| jdong | 300 of which are duplicates of the flashplayer bug :D | 12:54 |
| crimsun | what flashplayer? | 12:54 |
| jdong | crimsun: from when I broke it a while back :D | 12:54 |
| imbrandon | time for some food, bbiab | 12:55 |
| crimsun | oh, flashplugin-nonfree? | 12:55 |
| jdong | yeah | 12:55 |
| jdong | still haunts my inbox | 12:55 |
| jdong | :) | 12:55 |
| jdong | mostly from people with too much time marking duplicates | 12:55 |
| crimsun | oh don't worry, it just gets worse. | 12:55 |
| jdong | (and then rejecting duplicates) ?! | 12:55 |
| jdong | so I got 30 dups, 10 of which got marked rejected.... which gives me 300 messages in my inbox :) | 12:55 |
| imbrandon | jdong: just think thats only one package, wait till your MOTU | 12:56 |
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| jdong | imbrandon: I suppose by then I'll start filtering LP out of my inbox :) | 12:56 |
| crimsun | LP sends me about a thousand e-mails daily | 12:56 |
| imbrandon | yea i get aobut 400 or 500 a day from LP | 12:57 |
| imbrandon | i only get to read about 100 of them | 12:57 |
| imbrandon | if that some days | 12:57 |
| jdong | wow | 12:57 |
| jdong | I guess I have no right to complain then :D | 12:57 |
| crimsun | complaining doesn't resolve anything; fixing bugs does :) | 12:57 |
| jdong | grr, azureus is doing a suckier job than ktorrent on this particular baddie :) | 12:57 |
| jdong | crimsun: the problem is the bug is already fixed :D | 12:57 |
| bddebian | azeem: http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/bkchem/ | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: thanks dude | 12:58 |
| imbrandon | whoa , i dident know you had bddebian.com /me go's to fanboi | 12:58 |
| joejaxx | bddebian: hurd? | 12:59 |
| joejaxx | bddebian: is that the next debian release? | 12:59 |
| imbrandon | no heh | 12:59 |
| jdong | :) | 12:59 |
| jdong | joejaxx: no, it'll take longer :D | 12:59 |
| imbrandon | hurd is an alternative to the linnux kernel from GNU | 12:59 |
| joejaxx | oh | 12:59 |
| joejaxx | why whould someone want to do that? | 12:59 |
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| jdong | joejaxx: ask wikipedia | 01:00 |
| joejaxx | ie why was the project started :) | 01:00 |
| jdong | joejaxx: GNU thinks linux is a hackjob, and a good OS should be engineered as one from ground up? | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | it was started about the same time as linux just dident catch on as well | 01:00 |
| jdong | besides, linux is getting boring :) | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | microkernel vs monolithic kernel too :) | 01:01 |
| ivoks | hurd? :) | 01:01 |
| joejaxx | are they trying to do this because everyone calls it linux and not gnu/kinux? | 01:01 |
| joejaxx | gnu/linux* | 01:01 |
| jdong | joejaxx: it still has to be called gnu/hurd | 01:01 |
| jdong | so it doesn't fix that "problem" | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx: hurd was the first kernel for gnu systems, then linux cam and was less buggy and worked | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | that's a "feature" not a "problem" ;-p | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | thus was use | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | d | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | and i cant say /worked/ enough heh | 01:02 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 01:02 |
| ivoks | does hurd work today? | 01:03 |
| imbrandon | also like i said you have the micro-kernel ( hurd ) vs monolithic kernel ( linux ) too , kinda like kde vs gnome | 01:03 |
| joejaxx | yeah | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | ivoks: for some value of "work" | 01:04 |
| imbrandon | and then you have darwin , micro-kernel + bsd(ish) kernel strapped togather :) | 01:04 |
| imbrandon | and ofcourse the bsd kernel | 01:04 |
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| pcniatic | but there is a working version of hurd?? | 01:04 |
| imbrandon | and dos kernels ( command.com ? ) and windows kernels ( ntldr.sys ? ) | 01:05 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: whould you like to help me solve the at dilemma? | 01:05 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: yeah windows kernels | 01:05 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx: i know nothing about it | 01:05 |
| imbrandon | pcniatic: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/ | 01:05 |
| imbrandon | and http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ | 01:05 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: well if you debstrap a test environment and try and install at it does not work | 01:06 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx: yea it works here, i have a etch , sid , dapper, edgy, and feisty chroots all setup using debootstrap | 01:06 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: well when you chroot in what are the first things you do before you do anything major ie apt-get install | 01:07 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: with me export LC_ALL & HOME and mout /sys and /proc | 01:07 |
| imbrandon | nothing | 01:07 |
| joejaxx | nothig? | 01:07 |
| joejaxx | nothing? | 01:07 |
| joejaxx | mount* | 01:07 |
| imbrandon | thats all done via dchroot and my .bashrc | 01:07 |
| joejaxx | dchroot? | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: bah, I'm not any better than you | 01:08 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: i have never used that | 01:08 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: sure you are | 01:08 |
| imbrandon | dchroot -c <chrootname> -d | 01:08 |
| imbrandon | :) | 01:08 |
| joejaxx | hmm | 01:08 |
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| imbrandon | also you might want to setup the bind mounts in your fstab | 01:09 |
| jdong | they clean up after my messes :) | 01:09 |
| LaserJock | jdong: yeah, I just wish they were faster to unpack on my machines :( | 01:09 |
| joejaxx | jdong: Lol | 01:09 |
| jdong | LaserJock: yeah, there's a good 10 second delay to accessing a chroot, but it's worth it | 01:09 |
| joejaxx | i hate when this happens | 01:09 |
| joejaxx | root@equinox:/# umount /proc | 01:09 |
| joejaxx | umount: /proc: device is busy | 01:09 |
| joejaxx | :( | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | jdong: mine's a little longer then 10 s I think | 01:10 |
| jdong | LaserJock: loopbacking a reiserfs will give you quite a boost | 01:10 |
| jdong | but that takes setting aside a dedicated area of space | 01:10 |
| imbrandon | takes about 8s here to pbuilder-<dist> login | 01:10 |
| jdong | actually, jfs with nointegrity is a hair faster | 01:11 |
| joejaxx | so you all use pbuilder for chroot also? | 01:11 |
| jdong | I don't think everyone's as crazy as me, no | 01:11 |
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| jdong | joejaxx: pbuilder takes extra time to unpack and clean every usage cycle.... | 01:11 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx: i use both, depends on my need at the time | 01:11 |
| joejaxx | cleaning is nice | 01:11 |
| jdong | joejaxx: typically I use my chroots to test backports and other experimental-nature packaging work | 01:12 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 01:12 |
| jdong | joejaxx: so I'd rather do it in a self-cleaning environment | 01:12 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: takes exactly 1 min 3 sec to do a pbuilder login on my fast machine | 01:12 |
| joejaxx | i am trying to use my chroots to build the fluxbuntu livecds | 01:12 |
| jdong | LaserJock: holy crap | 01:12 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: wow | 01:12 |
| jdong | LaserJock: what is your setup?!? | 01:12 |
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| jdong | I think my junk router/server unpacks faster than that | 01:12 |
| joejaxx | once i get past this at package error and can start | 01:12 |
| LaserJock | 2.8 GHz Celeron with 512 MB Ram | 01:13 |
| LaserJock | that's my laptop | 01:13 |
| imbrandon | ahh slow hdd | 01:13 |
| imbrandon | thats the holdup | 01:13 |
| jdong | yeah, your hd is likely to blame | 01:13 |
| imbrandon | 5400 rpm probably | 01:13 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: how big is your base tarball & apt cache? | 01:13 |
| jdong | and 512MB of RAM is probably not helping you out | 01:13 |
| LaserJock | I also have a 1.3 GHz P4 with 256MB of Ram | 01:13 |
| jdong | imbrandon: my 5400rpm is MUCH faster than that! | 01:14 |
| ajmitch | heh, pbuilder login is somewhat broken on my box, due to the hook script used | 01:15 |
| LaserJock | the base tarball is 91 MB and the apt cache is 464 MB | 01:16 |
| joejaxx | how do i force a umount? | 01:17 |
| joejaxx | umount -f does not work | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | ok, on my intel imac at work it takes 20 s :-) | 01:17 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: ok, that's pretty small | 01:17 |
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| LaserJock | well, I reinstall so often there usually isn't even a chance for it to get that big | 01:18 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, takes 38 s on my P4 1.3GHz | 01:18 |
| Jozo- | Hjum... sid-base.tgz 64MiB, edgy-base.tgz 59MiB, breezy-base.tgz 38MiB .... | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | this laptop sucks | 01:18 |
| joejaxx | bah/win 16 | 01:19 |
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| === joejaxx very much dislikes when /proc does not want to umount | ||
| jdong | joejaxx: -l | 01:20 |
| jdong | joejaxx: WARNING: may send undesired SIGKILLs to random processes :D | 01:21 |
| joejaxx | that is not a app flag for umount is it? | 01:21 |
| jdong | yes | 01:21 |
| jdong | your results may vary, not responsible for damaged belongings, not a low calorie product | 01:21 |
| bhale | LaserJock: bah, bhale doesnt know anything | 01:21 |
| joejaxx | jdong: thanks | 01:21 |
| LaserJock | bhale: of course you do silly | 01:22 |
| joejaxx | jdong: that flag is not under --help lol | 01:22 |
| jdong | joejaxx: it's lazy unmount | 01:22 |
| LaserJock | bhale: you wouldn't be a core-dev and do the cool things you do if you didn't | 01:22 |
| joejaxx | jdong: normall i just restart my computer that works | 01:22 |
| joejaxx | normally | 01:22 |
| jdong | joejaxx: it is in the manpage | 01:22 |
| jdong | -l Lazy unmount. Detach the filesystem from the filesystem hierar | 01:22 |
| jdong | chy now, and cleanup all references to the filesystem as soon as | 01:22 |
| jdong | it is not busy anymore. (Requires kernel 2.4.11 or later.) | 01:22 |
| jdong | joejaxx: force unmount really doesn't do anything... unless you're using like NFS | 01:23 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 01:23 |
| LaserJock | hmm, now I'm just confused as to why my laptop takes so long to unpack the base tarball | 01:24 |
| jdong | LaserJock: sane filesystem? | 01:24 |
| LaserJock | maybe that's also the reason why when I install stuff in synaptic it freezes so bad | 01:24 |
| jdong | not an XFS user, are you? :D | 01:24 |
| LaserJock | just default ext3 | 01:24 |
| jdong | ok | 01:25 |
| LaserJock | I've never used anything but ext and reiser | 01:25 |
| jdong | btw, anyone know if I can get pbuilder to use a different form of compression for the tarball? | 01:25 |
| jdong | don't see anything enlightening in the manpage | 01:25 |
| LaserJock | jdong: you could probably patch it to | 01:25 |
| jdong | LaserJock: that's what I was thinking.... | 01:26 |
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| bhale | or you could just patch it to use straight tar | 01:26 |
| bhale | if you actually wanted to speed things up | 01:26 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 01:27 |
| jdong | bhale: I care slightly about disk space though :D | 01:27 |
| bhale | i have 3 chroots or so on my other laptop | 01:27 |
| joejaxx | chroots are fun | 01:27 |
| bhale | an empty debootstrap isnt that big | 01:27 |
| jdong | around 1GB for all my pbuilders added together | 01:27 |
| joejaxx | especially when you have dapper, dapper-dev dapper-test dapper-exp edgy edgy-dev edgy-test edgy-exp | 01:27 |
| jdong | enough for me to start caring on my space-limited machines | 01:27 |
| LaserJock | what are the -dev and -test for? | 01:29 |
| LaserJock | I just have dapper and edgy :/ | 01:29 |
| LaserJock | well and sid | 01:29 |
| joejaxx | so how do i use pbuilder for chroot? | 01:31 |
| joejaxx | pbuilder login? | 01:31 |
| bhale | yes. | 01:31 |
| joejaxx | 15 seconds on mine | 01:32 |
| joejaxx | and when i exit it will clean itself up? | 01:32 |
| bhale | yes. | 01:32 |
| bhale | unless --save-after-login | 01:32 |
| joejaxx | should i still export home & LC_ALL and mount sys and proc? | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | no | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | but I don't do that in a chroot either | 01:33 |
| bhale | you need /proc in chroot often | 01:33 |
| bhale | but pbuilder handles it | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | right but I have bindmounts for that | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | I don't do it inside the chroot | 01:34 |
| bddebian | BTW LaserJock and azeem, there were still some issues with what I did :) | 01:34 |
| bhale | mount -t proc /proc /chroot/proc | 01:34 |
| joejaxx | oh also i was wondering why apt-get does this | 01:34 |
| bhale | works for me | 01:34 |
| joejaxx | Ign http://archive.fluxbuntu.net dapper Release.gpg | 01:34 |
| joejaxx | Ign http://archive.fluxbuntu.net dapper Release | 01:34 |
| bhale | same as bind mount effectively | 01:34 |
| LaserJock | bhale: sure | 01:34 |
| bhale | but seems more correct somehow | 01:34 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: better then nothing | 01:34 |
| bhale | shrug | 01:34 |
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| joejaxx | anyone know how i can correct that? | 01:35 |
| joejaxx | is that because my pgp key is not in the keyring ? | 01:35 |
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| bhale | it doesnt need Release, anyway | 01:35 |
| bhale | most likely you didnt make one? | 01:35 |
| joejaxx | i did make one | 01:35 |
| bhale | shrug | 01:36 |
| joejaxx | and gpg signed it | 01:36 |
| bhale | you really need Packages/Sources .gz | 01:36 |
| joejaxx | they are there | 01:36 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: btw, have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot ? | 01:36 |
| bhale | ignoring releases is no big deal | 01:36 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx: how did you make the repo ? i recomend something like falcon, it automates most of that for no more packages than what you are working with | 01:37 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: created the directory | 01:37 |
| imbrandon | ( i use it for my repos with less than 30 packages ) | 01:37 |
| joejaxx | scanned them | 01:37 |
| joejaxx | created the *.gz and *.bz2 | 01:37 |
| imbrandon | and Seveas obviously uses it for all his as he wrote it :) | 01:37 |
| joejaxx | lol | 01:38 |
| joejaxx | well i cannot actually install falcon on this machine | 01:38 |
| joejaxx | which is why i did it manually | 01:38 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx: yea try falcon, it takes about ~10 minutes to setup and will save you lots of mundane work when dealing with repos | 01:38 |
| joejaxx | and it still works | 01:38 |
| Jozo- | I use reprepro. | 01:38 |
| LaserJock | well you could use reprepro or mini-dinstall | 01:38 |
| joejaxx | are those default on debian? | 01:38 |
| imbrandon | you dont have to have falcon running on the machine where the repo is | 01:38 |
| joejaxx | if they are not i cannot use it | 01:39 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: oh | 01:39 |
| imbrandon | it will mirror ( i host at dreamhost and run falcon localy ) | 01:39 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: ah | 01:39 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: my predicament | 01:39 |
| joejaxx | :) | 01:39 |
| joejaxx | for some reason i like manually doing it | 01:39 |
| joejaxx | lol | 01:39 |
| imbrandon | imbrandon.com and buntudot.org are both on dreamhost :) | 01:39 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: yes, reprepro and mini-dinstall are standard Debian tools | 01:39 |
| joejaxx | i will try falcon anyway though | 01:39 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: ah ok good | 01:39 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: :) | 01:39 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx: yea dh has reprepro installed ( not sure about mini-di ) | 01:40 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 01:40 |
| joejaxx | Setting up fluxbuntu-standard (0.1) ... | 01:41 |
| joejaxx | root@equinox:/# | 01:41 |
| imbrandon | dh it debian 3.1 based ( i assume you host fluxbuntu.net there from the IP ) | 01:41 |
| joejaxx | do you knwo what that means? :D | 01:41 |
| joejaxx | know* | 01:41 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: yes | 01:41 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: yeah | 01:41 |
| joejaxx | i loved when i found out dpkg-scanpackages worked | 01:41 |
| joejaxx | before that i did it on my computer | 01:42 |
| joejaxx | and uploaded the directories | 01:42 |
| imbrandon | if you do it by hand check the script Riddell uses on kubuntu.org | 01:42 |
| imbrandon | it will help somewhat, its what i used before falcon | 01:43 |
| joejaxx | Riddell? | 01:43 |
| imbrandon | head kubuntu honcho | 01:43 |
| joejaxx | who is riddell? | 01:43 |
| joejaxx | oh | 01:43 |
| joejaxx | :) | 01:43 |
| imbrandon | here is an example he uses for the koffice repo on kubuntu.org that he does by hand, obviously you'll need to edit the paths but it works on DH as i used to use a modified one on DH before i got falcon | 01:45 |
| imbrandon | http://www.kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-16/ARCHIVE | 01:45 |
| joejaxx | right now all i do is two commandlines | 01:45 |
| joejaxx | and the repo is updated | 01:46 |
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| joejaxx | yeah the other thing is i do not use a pool | 01:47 |
| joejaxx | lol | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | wow, that will be hard to maintain later | 01:47 |
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| joejaxx | imbrandon: well | 01:48 |
| joejaxx | wait how so? | 01:48 |
| joejaxx | if everything is automated? | 01:48 |
| imbrandon | well moreso i dunno how a repo would work without a pool and putting the old packages in thre morgue | 01:49 |
| imbrandon | never tried making a repo without a pool | 01:49 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: oh ok | 01:49 |
| joejaxx | well everything goes in binary-arch and source | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | just seems like it would be harder | 01:50 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | but hey if it works for you , more power :) | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | linux is about choices and thats your show, just adding my 0.2c | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | :) | 01:50 |
| joejaxx | well atleast i just have the fluxbuntu metapackages in there until feisty | 01:51 |
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| imbrandon | Hobbsee: !! | 01:52 |
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| Hobbsee | hey imbrandon!!! | 01:53 |
| LaserJock | hi Hobbsee | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | hey LaserJock | 01:54 |
| TheMuso | So are we still waiting for feisty? | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 01:55 |
| imbrandon | mostly :) | 01:55 |
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| imbrandon | mom is running ( but will likely have to be re-testbuilt again after the new toolchain hits ) | 01:56 |
| imbrandon | before any are uploaded | 01:56 |
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| ajmitch | hello Hobbsee | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | hi ajmitch | 01:57 |
| imbrandon | omg kmail has crashed on me the last time /me sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird | 01:57 |
| === ajmitch used to use kmail | ||
| imbrandon | i have tried to for a long time, but every since 3.5.3 its segfaulted and i've submited bug report after report upstream ans it keeps getting marked "fixed" but it never is | 01:58 |
| joejaxx | is there a way to find out the maintainer of a pakcage through apt? | 01:59 |
| imbrandon | it runs long enough for me to read about 3 ro 4 emails then boom | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: heh. yes, it's crap | 01:59 |
| joejaxx | i need to email the pbuilder maintainer and personally thank her/him | 01:59 |
| joejaxx | lol | 01:59 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx: in ubuntu it would be all of core-dev ( as its in main ) we dont really have maintainers "per se" | 02:00 |
| imbrandon | :) | 02:00 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 02:00 |
| joejaxx | well i thank all of you core-dev for this package | 02:00 |
| imbrandon | and universe is the MOTU's :) | 02:00 |
| joejaxx | and the MOTU's | 02:00 |
| joejaxx | hmm | 02:00 |
| joejaxx | apparently ubuntu does not build the ubuntu-boot packages? | 02:01 |
| imbrandon | but it originates in from debian and if you wanna find the debian maintainer iirc you can apt-cache show <package> for some info | 02:01 |
| joejaxx | so now i am going to have to make a fluxbuntu-boot package | 02:01 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: :D | 02:01 |
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| imbrandon | looks like a team, | 02:02 |
| imbrandon | Maintainer: Debian pbuilder maintenance team <pbuilder-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org> | 02:02 |
| LaserJock | why do you need a fluxbuntu-boot package? | 02:02 |
| imbrandon | :) | 02:02 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: i am building livecds | 02:02 |
| LaserJock | still | 02:02 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx: just depend on ubuntu-live(fs?) i woudl think | 02:02 |
| LaserJock | I think you'll need your own ubuntu-live | 02:03 |
| joejaxx | The default kernels and bootloaders are not to be installed by debootstrap, | 02:03 |
| joejaxx | and *-minimal metapackages should not depend on them; however, they do need | 02:03 |
| joejaxx | to end up on CD images and in live filesystems. We therefore put them in a | 02:03 |
| joejaxx | separate seed. | 02:03 |
| LaserJock | but you should only need -desktop -live -artwork (or -default-settings) | 02:03 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: i have a live | 02:03 |
| joejaxx | live: minimal standard desktop | 02:04 |
| joejaxx | live does not include boot :\ | 02:04 |
| LaserJock | fine | 02:04 |
| LaserJock | but there is no ubuntu-boot that I know of | 02:04 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: btw that was a quote fom the seeds | 02:04 |
| TheMuso | Searching the apt databases shows none here. | 02:04 |
| joejaxx | not my own wording | 02:04 |
| joejaxx | it must include them at livecd build time | 02:05 |
| joejaxx | ship-live: boot minimal standard desktop live | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | ah, so there is a boot seed, that makes sense | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | there isn't an ubuntu-boot package though | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: how are you planning on making the .iso? | 02:05 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: from scratch | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | ah | 02:06 |
| joejaxx | i am doing manually now | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | that's going to be tough | 02:06 |
| joejaxx | but i am going to make a script for it | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | that's mildly insane | 02:06 |
| imbrandon | rock on joejaxx , i've been waiting for someone to take that task on | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | I would think it would be much easier to use and existing .iso | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | good luck | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: why? | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | what's so wrong with debian-cd ? | 02:07 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: you are right about that | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: just to see if it could be done from the "outside" | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | well, apart from it not being for live cds | 02:07 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: that is what i have been doing but customized livecds are not clean | 02:07 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: have you talked to Kamion or one of the other release people? | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: debian-cd ? is that to make d-i cd's ? | 02:07 |
| LaserJock | not clean? | 02:07 |
| joejaxx | which is why i decided to build them from scratch | 02:07 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: leftovers | 02:08 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: when you customize a livecd there are alot of leftovers | 02:08 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: yeah, sorry, I thought joejaxx was making one | 02:08 |
| TheMuso | And I believe they also use mksquashfs flags to better optimize the livefs. | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: like what? | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | I'm just curious | 02:08 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: yea he is doing a live cd, but i wouldent mind looking at making a d-i cd, that seems cool too | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | as Ichthux uses a kubuntu .iso to start with | 02:09 |
| === TheMuso wishes there was something to build live CDs like jigdo for alternate CDs. | ||
| joejaxx | empty directories, random packages, configs, stuff i should not be on there | 02:09 |
| joejaxx | i know* | 02:09 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: but ich is based on kde, imagine removing kubuntu-desktop and everything associated | 02:09 |
| joejaxx | especially trying to take a ubuntu(gnome) live cd | 02:09 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I don't think I've seen any of those | 02:09 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: true | 02:09 |
| joejaxx | and trying to get rid of gnome everything and putting on fluxbox | 02:09 |
| LaserJock | Ichthux builds on top of | 02:09 |
| LaserJock | Kubuntu | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | not replacing it | 02:10 |
| joejaxx | yeah | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | ok, but have you talked with Kamion? | 02:10 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: yes | 02:10 |
| imbrandon | yea he is replacing it with fluxbox and lightweight apps so in both cases it seems like the right choice, ich with custom kubuntu and flux form scratch imho | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | did you get scripts from him? | 02:10 |
| joejaxx | no | 02:10 |
| joejaxx | i do not think i am allowed to anyway | 02:11 |
| joejaxx | lol | 02:11 |
| LaserJock | not allowed? if he gives them to you then it's allowed ;-) | 02:11 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx: he would probably give you the scripts that make the cd's from the seeds | 02:11 |
| imbrandon | if you asked right/nice | 02:11 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: seeds.fluxbuntu.net | 02:11 |
| joejaxx | :) | 02:11 |
| joejaxx | seeds are pulled from there | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | from what I understand it's still a lot of work as Ubuntu uses LP so much | 02:12 |
| joejaxx | meta packages built | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: no, but the scripts that they use to build the .isos | 02:12 |
| joejaxx | livecds created | 02:12 |
| joejaxx | 1,2,3 | 02:12 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: yeah i do not have neither | 02:12 |
| joejaxx | i have to do it from scratch lol | 02:12 |
| joejaxx | plus | 02:13 |
| joejaxx | those scripts are probably done local | 02:13 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm not sure how much use they would be to you but it would probably be better then from scratch | 02:13 |
| joejaxx | as i am doing them remote | 02:13 |
| LaserJock | I have no idea about that | 02:13 |
| ajmitch | joejaxx: it's easier just to ask & find out | 02:14 |
| joejaxx | i have already | 02:14 |
| joejaxx | ship-live: boot minimal standard desktop live | 02:14 |
| joejaxx | i mean | 02:14 |
| joejaxx | Setting up fluxbuntu-live (0.1) ... | 02:14 |
| _MMA_ | Laserjock: With Ichthux do you guys only do a Desktop-Live cd? | 02:14 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: yep | 02:15 |
| LaserJock | that's what a Desktop cd is | 02:15 |
| LaserJock | I'll be looking into also creating an Alternate CD too at some point | 02:15 |
| joejaxx | alternate cds are going to be fun to build | 02:16 |
| joejaxx | lol | 02:16 |
| _MMA_ | Thats one of the things we have been discussing with Ubuntu Studio. I dont know which way we should go. | 02:16 |
| joejaxx | <sarcasm> | 02:16 |
| joejaxx | </sarcasm> | 02:16 |
| joejaxx | i have to include the pool of debian packages that are going to be installed | 02:16 |
| joejaxx | :\ lol | 02:16 |
| imbrandon | _MMA_: if its based on gnome/kde i would go the editing livecd way | 02:16 |
| TheMuso | Alternate CDs will actually be easier to build, as just about everything you need is in the archive, or in bzr repositories. | 02:16 |
| joejaxx | TheMuso: yeah | 02:17 |
| TheMuso | afaik anyway | 02:17 |
| imbrandon | heya TheMuso , later TheMuso | 02:17 |
| joejaxx | TheMuso: put for me the pools are different | 02:17 |
| _MMA_ | TheMuso: We just need to figure out the process. UDS/MV will be a good place for info. | 02:17 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon: hehe | 02:17 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 02:17 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: yeah, I think probably doing a Desktop .iso starting from Ubuntu would be the best to start with | 02:18 |
| _MMA_ | imbrandon:Thing is, we arent sure how we are going to present the users with a choice of packages. | 02:18 |
| LaserJock | it you don't care about things like boot artwork | 02:18 |
| LaserJock | it's pretty trivial actually | 02:18 |
| imbrandon | _MMA_: yea if there is time, MV is pretty jam packed :) ( but you might coax kamoin afterhours heheh ) | 02:18 |
| _MMA_ | I can edit the boot art. | 02:18 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: time to try and build the iso | 02:19 |
| joejaxx | lol | 02:19 |
| LaserJock | well, getting the boot artwork ot actually work ;-) | 02:19 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: :P | 02:19 |
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| _MMA_ | imbrandon: I really cant wait for it. :) | 02:19 |
| _MMA_ | I hope to learn alot. | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | it'll be interesting, sure | 02:20 |
| LaserJock | well, I don't know if it would help, but the Ichthux Desktop .iso creation notes are at http://wiki.ichthux.com/Development/CD | 02:21 |
| _MMA_ | LaserJock: You've tried Reconstructor right? | 02:21 |
| LaserJock | nope | 02:21 |
| _MMA_ | It creates edits Desktop CDs. | 02:21 |
| imbrandon | _MMA_: i have, its mostly geared to lang pack installs | 02:21 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: I know what it is | 02:21 |
| imbrandon | not the other stuff | 02:21 |
| LaserJock | but I don't use a gui for it and we change other things | 02:21 |
| _MMA_ | imbrandon are you sure? :) http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/ | 02:22 |
| _MMA_ | I used it to create test Ubuntu Studio disks. But only for out audio apps. | 02:22 |
| _MMA_ | We need to find a way to give users a coice of what to install. Audio/Video/Graphic apps. | 02:23 |
| _MMA_ | At some point in the process. | 02:23 |
| _MMA_ | *But only for our audio apps. | 02:24 |
| joejaxx | what is that grub update command once again? | 02:24 |
| LaserJock | well, tasksel would probably help in the future | 02:24 |
| imbrandon | sudo update-grub | 02:24 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: you could include a little app that asks the user on after install perhaps | 02:25 |
| _MMA_ | LaserJock: Yea. I still have to read up more on it. | 02:25 |
| imbrandon | _MMA_: looks like its come a ways since i last looked | 02:25 |
| joejaxx | hmm | 02:25 |
| joejaxx | how can i find out the current pbuilder session? | 02:25 |
| _MMA_ | We thought about that. C.Berg poo-pooed all over that idea. :) | 02:25 |
| imbrandon | still dosent look like you can update things like the kernel and such | 02:25 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: well, it depends on how you do it | 02:26 |
| imbrandon | _MMA_: does it work with the edgy livecd's ? | 02:26 |
| _MMA_ | imbrandon: Id play with it a bit. Its dev is a REALLY nice guy also. :) | 02:26 |
| _MMA_ | Yes. It works with Edgy. | 02:27 |
| _MMA_ | I used the Beta for our tests. | 02:27 |
| imbrandon | ahh but no KDE | 02:27 |
| imbrandon | only gnome :( | 02:27 |
| _MMA_ | No. :) | 02:27 |
| imbrandon | http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=44&func=view&id=1&catid=2 | 02:27 |
| imbrandon | yes ^^ | 02:27 |
| _MMA_ | Thats why he has this Moduals" thing. :) | 02:27 |
| joejaxx | yippeee fun | 02:27 |
| joejaxx | time to build the cds | 02:27 |
| _MMA_ | "Modules" | 02:28 |
| _MMA_ | Ive been talkin to him about it. Well, yes. Officially now thats what it says. | 02:28 |
| _MMA_ | Ive used it on Xubuntu disks also. | 02:28 |
| _MMA_ | He pland to make it U/K/X independant through the use of "modules". Just little scripts. | 02:29 |
| _MMA_ | *plans | 02:29 |
| LaserJock | I might try it out for a custom Desktop CD I want to make for my department | 02:30 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: yea i was thinking the same thing, for inhouse here | 02:30 |
| imbrandon | if i can work with KDE | 02:30 |
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| _MMA_ | LaserJock: Its what I use. I have 5 desktops. All with custom cds. | 02:31 |
| LaserJock | I think it might convince my Department Chair might be convinced to use Ubuntu in the computer lab if it has the school artwork and chemistry packages by default ;-) | 02:31 |
| LaserJock | bah, I need to proofread my sentences | 02:31 |
| _MMA_ | Codecs, samba, art, whatever. | 02:31 |
| _MMA_ | You can switch kernels also through chroot with it. | 02:32 |
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| imbrandon | ah cool | 02:32 |
| imbrandon | might be ok then | 02:32 |
| imbrandon | :) | 02:32 |
| _MMA_ | I dont think so. I told him to lurk in here. He has. | 02:32 |
| imbrandon | who is "he" heh | 02:33 |
| _MMA_ | Hell. I could call him now. | 02:33 |
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| _MMA_ | ehazlet is his nic | 02:33 |
| imbrandon | i got no questions for him atm, just curious | 02:33 |
| _MMA_ | Yea, sure. :) | 02:33 |
| imbrandon | i'm gonna gice it a spin tonight/tomarrow | 02:33 |
| imbrandon | give* | 02:34 |
| imbrandon | damn keyboard | 02:34 |
| LaserJock | sure, blame the keyboard ;-) | 02:34 |
| _MMA_ | I was really supprised. It kinda helped me learn how disks work. Even though its not the "proper" way I guess. | 02:34 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: i really hate the lappy keyboards | 02:35 |
| imbrandon | but trying to make myself use it | 02:35 |
| imbrandon | so i can be productive next week with it | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: well, since the "proper" way involved closed source LP software, I suppose we just do what we can | 02:36 |
| _MMA_ | LaserJock: I know. I just worry about it. I want to do things as I should and not get bitched at for hacking things together. | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | well, I think people mostly have issues with hacked together 3rd party software | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | i.e. we would complain more if you were using checkinstall to build your .debs | 02:40 |
| _MMA_ | 3rd party? | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | how you put your packages together into an .iso is a bit less of a concern, IMO | 02:40 |
| joejaxx | is there a ubuntu man pages anywhere? | 02:40 |
| _MMA_ | By using reconstructor? | 02:40 |
| joejaxx | ma pages site* | 02:41 |
| joejaxx | man* | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: I mean, putting in 3rd party software (maybe even not .debs) in your .iso | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | that would be a much bigger concern then how exactly you build the .iso | 02:42 |
| _MMA_ | Ah.. Even for myself. I stuck to the repos. :) | 02:42 |
| imbrandon | there is only two things in this world i dont stick to the repos on and those i install from source | 02:44 |
| _MMA_ | Whats that sir? | 02:44 |
| imbrandon | libdvdcss2 and w32codecs ( from mplayerhq ) | 02:44 |
| _MMA_ | Ahh.. | 02:45 |
| _MMA_ | I just use your packages now. :) | 02:45 |
| imbrandon | heh those are actualy Seveas's packages i just host them for him ( http://seveas.imbrandon.com is Seveas's and http://www.imbrandon.com/packages is mine ) | 02:46 |
| _MMA_ | Ok. I got it. | 02:46 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: guess what? | 02:48 |
| joejaxx | i am up to the livecd part | 02:48 |
| joejaxx | i need to use casper now | 02:48 |
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| joejaxx | :) | 02:54 |
| _MMA_ | Good news joe? | 02:54 |
| joejaxx | well i am trying to build the livecd part of the iso | 02:55 |
| joejaxx | if i cannot understand casper i might have to find another way lol | 02:55 |
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| _MMA_ | imbrandon: When I messed with Xubuntu and Reconstructor I used the chroot to change things that were Xubuntu specific. | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | Kubuntu might be a bit tricky too | 02:58 |
| imbrandon | _MMA_: yea i'll get more indepth with it later , just poking at it for now as i'm headed to sleep soonish | 02:58 |
| LaserJock | as some stuff is a bit more hardcoded | 02:58 |
| imbrandon | yea | 02:58 |
| imbrandon | lots | 02:58 |
| imbrandon | but i'm not afraid of makin some replacement packages for things i need :) | 02:59 |
| imbrandon | specialy if its for in-house | 02:59 |
| _MMA_ | If any of you guys like the app and want to suggest things its dev is really open and easy to talk to. | 02:59 |
| imbrandon | make a easy to use kubuntu version that uses pyqt so i dont have to load gtk :( | 02:59 |
| imbrandon | heh | 02:59 |
| imbrandon | gtk+glade actualy | 03:00 |
| imbrandon | i can give him *.ui files and there are *.glade to *.ui files out there :) | 03:00 |
| joejaxx | everyone having fun? | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | no | 03:00 |
| joejaxx | i am | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: no fun? | 03:01 |
| joejaxx | </joke> | 03:01 |
| joejaxx | * | 03:01 |
| joejaxx | ajmitch: do you know anything about debian livecds? | 03:01 |
| imbrandon | ahh it dont work with the edgy usplash yet ? | 03:01 |
| joejaxx | ajmitch: i know i can ust bootcd | 03:02 |
| _MMA_ | imbrandon: Crap. Yea. I forgot to mention that. | 03:02 |
| _MMA_ | I think thats one of the things he plans to make a module out of. | 03:04 |
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| imbrandon | how does it handle making iso's larger than 700mb , it dont complain hopefully ( i like to make 800mb iso's and dvd iso's ) | 03:05 |
| Laser_away | my inlaws are taking us out to dinner | 03:05 |
| Laser_away | I'll bbl | 03:05 |
| joejaxx | fun | 03:05 |
| imbrandon | l8tr Laser_away | 03:05 |
| joejaxx | building the livecd | 03:05 |
| joejaxx | but just for kicks and soccerballs i am not using casper | 03:06 |
| _MMA_ | imbrandon: It works fine with big isos. | 03:08 |
| _MMA_ | I use DVDs also. | 03:09 |
| imbrandon | :) | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | joejaxx: I'm working, I'm not having fun | 03:09 |
| _MMA_ | Though, if you dont need OO.o you can save alot of space. :) | 03:09 |
| imbrandon | just makin sure , ok, i'm headed to sleep for a few hours hopefully , bbiab | 03:09 |
| _MMA_ | night sir. | 03:09 |
| joejaxx | ajmitch: :\ | 03:09 |
| imbrandon | _MMA_: yea i replace OO.o with koffice | 03:09 |
| _MMA_ | Ahh... | 03:09 |
| imbrandon | and remove the winfoss | 03:09 |
| imbrandon | etc, i ahve done all this before by hand, just looking at the "pretty way" | 03:10 |
| imbrandon | :) | 03:10 |
| _MMA_ | Yea. Its just a frontend for: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.06 | 03:11 |
| _MMA_ | Well, started out that way. | 03:11 |
| imbrandon | yup yup, i have refrenced that wiki many times :) | 03:11 |
| imbrandon | ( and a few others ) | 03:11 |
| joejaxx | hmm its | 03:12 |
| imbrandon | okies my eyes are closing, see yall in a few hours | 03:12 |
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| joejaxx | imbrandon: Goodnight | 03:12 |
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| joejaxx | haha | 03:13 |
| joejaxx | Fujitsu: hello welcome back | 03:13 |
| Fujitsu | Hi joejaxx. | 03:15 |
| joejaxx | i just tried building a debian livecd | 03:16 |
| joejaxx | lol | 03:16 |
| joejaxx | that was fun | 03:17 |
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| joejaxx | :( it is dead in here | 03:31 |
| joejaxx | either that or my client is lagging | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | no, it's quite dead | 03:36 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 03:36 |
| joejaxx | well atleast you are here lol | 03:36 |
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| joejaxx | ajmitch: :\ | 03:36 |
| zul | its dont dead its resting | 03:37 |
| joejaxx | :) | 03:37 |
| joejaxx | i need to find a motu insomniac | 03:37 |
| joejaxx | lol | 03:37 |
| _MMA_ | Man, I swear at UDS im gonna drug you every night. ;) You better not keep me up all night. | 03:38 |
| joejaxx | LOL | 03:39 |
| joejaxx | haha | 03:39 |
| zul | heh its not like your are going to get any sleep anyways | 03:39 |
| joejaxx | yeah | 03:40 |
| joejaxx | lol | 03:40 |
| _MMA_ | Im so gonna take you to a stripclub. ;) | 03:40 |
| joejaxx | lol | 03:40 |
| zul | you are going to be so tired you will not want to go to a stripclub | 03:41 |
| joejaxx | uds' are tiring? | 03:41 |
| zul | they are going to work you into the ground :) | 03:41 |
| joejaxx | nice lol | 03:41 |
| joejaxx | that should be an interesting event | 03:41 |
| imbrandon | yes that is the point of UDS , its a hands on for the next release, not a party :) | 03:41 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: i know ;) | 03:42 |
| joejaxx | hey | 03:42 |
| zul | imbrandon: of course after the day is finished | 03:42 |
| joejaxx | why are openoffice-packages being installed >:( | 03:42 |
| ajmitch | at UDU, it was ~12 hours a day, from 9AM till 9PM | 03:42 |
| joejaxx | udu? | 03:42 |
| ajmitch | ubuntu down under | 03:42 |
| imbrandon | zul: shhhhhh keep em scared | 03:42 |
| zul | doh.. | 03:43 |
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| zul | ajmitch: less people were at UDS wasnt there? | 03:43 |
| ajmitch | I remember seeing people sleeping on the floor during breaks at UBZ | 03:43 |
| imbrandon | yea long tecnical days with lots of hands on though | 03:43 |
| joejaxx | so wait | 03:43 |
| ajmitch | there were quite a few people | 03:43 |
| joejaxx | every summit has a different name? | 03:43 |
| _MMA_ | Thats cool ajmitch. The clubs will still be open. | 03:43 |
| joejaxx | _MMA_: lol | 03:44 |
| zul | heh there isnt alot of clubs in sj | 03:44 |
| _MMA_ | There are 3 that look goot. I did research. :) | 03:44 |
| _MMA_ | *good | 03:44 |
| zul | no you want to go to sf | 03:44 |
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| zul | anyways.. | 03:45 |
| imbrandon | oh lord, i can see it now, this is a work trip , people hung over the next days | 03:45 |
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| _MMA_ | Yea. But there we gotta be carful we dont wind up in the wrong one. :) | 03:45 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: lol | 03:47 |
| _MMA_ | imbrandon: I dont drink but I have a good time. Will be my 1st time out west. | 03:47 |
| joejaxx | _MMA_: SHHHH | 03:49 |
| joejaxx | the livecd is building | 03:49 |
| joejaxx | gah | 03:49 |
| _MMA_ | nice. | 03:49 |
| joejaxx | nevermind it stopped | 03:49 |
| _MMA_ | Ha! | 03:49 |
| joejaxx | oh nevermind itis still going | 03:50 |
| joejaxx | let us see | 03:50 |
| joejaxx | oh crap | 03:50 |
| joejaxx | i forgot to do apt-clean | 03:50 |
| joejaxx | lol | 03:50 |
| joejaxx | apt-get clean | 03:50 |
| joejaxx | ok building again | 03:51 |
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| joejaxx | just hit the 60mb | 03:54 |
| joejaxx | mark | 03:54 |
| _MMA_ | Man. You need a faster machine. :) | 03:55 |
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| joejaxx | _MMA_: well it is compressing the filesystem Lol | 03:55 |
| joejaxx | entire* | 03:55 |
| _MMA_ | how long so far? | 03:56 |
| joejaxx | 3 minutes | 03:56 |
| _MMA_ | oh. | 03:56 |
| joejaxx | Pentium M 1.4GHz with 1.25GBS of ram | 03:56 |
| joejaxx | on a* | 03:56 |
| joejaxx | 120mb mark | 03:56 |
| joejaxx | 180mb mark | 03:57 |
| joejaxx | woohoo | 04:01 |
| joejaxx | 275MB | 04:01 |
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| Chandu | hi | 05:20 |
| Chandu | good morning | 05:20 |
| Chandu | hey , I found in README of motu-tools that ...Ping elmo to sync the package .... What is this elmo ... | 05:20 |
| crimsun | that's outdated; ignore that. | 05:21 |
| crimsun | the sync procedure is outlined on the wiki. | 05:21 |
| Chandu | crimsun, can you give me the link | 05:21 |
| nixternal | heh, that took me a sec to figure that one out..im like elmo?? then i remembered, ohhh elmo | 05:21 |
| nixternal | LaserJockeeeeee | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | Chandu: were did you get motu-tools? | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: hola senor | 05:22 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: really quick do you know how to hibernate from commandline? | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: no I don't | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | I've only used the KDE and Gnome tools | 05:23 |
| joejaxx | hmm i need to figure that out hibernation from commandline | 05:23 |
| joejaxx | that is | 05:23 |
| joejaxx | alright then LaserJock thanks anyway :) | 05:23 |
| crimsun | Chandu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | 05:23 |
| crimsun | odd, Banshee is crashing on submitting to last.fm | 05:24 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: btw the disc built it just stopped at configuring some drivers because i did not add some stuff | 05:24 |
| joejaxx | when i booted it up that is | 05:24 |
| joejaxx | well i am going to shutdown my laptop Goodnight #ubuntu-motu | 05:24 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 05:24 |
| LaserJock | cya joejaxx | 05:24 |
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| Fujitsu | 'obbsee! | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | hmmm, somebody should go through UniverseCandidates and get rid of the ones that made it in or are completely ridiculous | 05:42 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: I shall take a look at it. | 05:42 |
| Hobbsee | hey Fujitsu | 05:42 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: heh | 05:42 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Any news on SRUs yet? | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | well, ajmitch was going to write some stuff | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | *cough* | 05:43 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, I got motu-tools from this link , http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/motu-tools/ | 05:43 |
| Fujitsu | This is getting a bit stupid, though. I isolated the patch about a month ago. | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: well, didn't we decide to just have a motu-uvf person ok it? | 05:44 |
| Chandu | Hey, How to get the list of packages for the merge ..How MOM is working | 05:44 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: dholbach said he'd do it after release, but I haven't seen him much. | 05:44 |
| Chandu | I found one script in MON..grab-merge.sh ..... But I dont know how to work with that | 05:44 |
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| LaserJock | merges.ubuntu.com is the website for it | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: I doubt it ;-( | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | good thought though | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | I think the canonical guys are on vacation | 05:45 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, Ya , I got the link ...I founf grab-merge.sh script over there ..but How to work with that ... | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | so once dholbach is back we can bug him | 05:45 |
| crimsun | Chandu: read http://merges.ubuntu.com please. | 05:45 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: yeah, I'm a failure again... | 05:46 |
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| LaserJock | don't worry ajmitch , I am too | 05:46 |
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| Fujitsu | That Redhat authconfig thing ended up being packaged, didn't it? | 05:46 |
| ajmitch | no | 05:46 |
| Chandu | crimsun, I gone through .. But Iam not able to understand | 05:47 |
| Chandu | crimsun, it has thsi , Merges are generated by combining both the Ubuntu and Debian changes since their first common ancestor | 05:47 |
| Hobbsee | Chandu: that's not the script that does the actual comparison | 05:48 |
| Hobbsee | s | 05:48 |
| Chandu | crimsun, is this pool generated manually | 05:48 |
| Chandu | Hobbsee, then who will do that comparision ..is it done manually ..package by package | 05:48 |
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| LaserJock | Chandu: MoM tries to do it automatically | 05:48 |
| crimsun | Chandu: it's generated by an automated tool we affectionately call MoM | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | but in the end every one needs to be at least checked | 05:49 |
| Hobbsee | Chandu: it's not. the script used to compare isnt on that page | 05:49 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, then where can I get MOM tool to do that | 05:49 |
| Chandu | Hobbsee, Where can I get that script for comparision | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | from Keybuck | 05:50 |
| crimsun | (-c) | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | but you don't need it to do the work | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | darn, I always do that | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | Key+buck != Keybuk | 05:50 |
| Chandu | Hey , If I have to do it for the first time ..means I dont have my own pool for my project .. I have to careate it form debian with some gnome related and few other packages modified | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | Chandu: what are you doing? what is this project? | 05:51 |
| crimsun | why don't you just piggyback off the Ubuntu repo directly? | 05:51 |
| ajmitch | Chandu: then you'll have lots of fun & lots of work | 05:51 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, I am working on building a distro based on Debian .. I need to have a repo same as Ubuntu .. But this our first release .. We ahve modified some gnome packages and few others | 05:52 |
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| LaserJock | Chandu: ah, so it's like Ubuntu, but not? | 05:52 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, ya ,exactly | 05:52 |
| crimsun | if you need a repo "same as Ubuntu," why not just use the Ubuntu repo as a base? | 05:53 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, I hope MOM will be used to compare UBUNTU and Debian repo .. But in my case we dont have our repo yet | 05:53 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, We have a small repo of nearly 1000+ packages which have put into our single cd distro with some modified gnome packaes | 05:53 |
| Chandu | crimsun, I cannot do that on my own when I am working under some organisation .. I have to according to them | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well I can't find the MoM source on people.ubuntu.com | 05:56 |
| crimsun | will your organisation not listen to reason, then? | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | I thought it *was* there | 05:56 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: It's not, and hasn't been since before Edgy's MoM. | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | is it on LP? | 05:57 |
| Fujitsu | I don't believe so. | 05:57 |
| LaserJock | I thought it was available somewhere | 05:57 |
| Fujitsu | Used to be under ~scott on p.u.c, I believe. | 05:57 |
| Fujitsu | Not any more, though. | 05:57 |
| LaserJock | Chandu: anyway, you can ask Keybuk for the MoM script I suppose | 05:57 |
| LaserJock | or write you're own | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | writing your own wouldn't be too hard | 05:58 |
| Fujitsu | Or derive from Ubuntu, which is probably a better option. | 05:58 |
| Fujitsu | Chandu: How many modified packages do you have? | 05:59 |
| Chandu | Fujitsu, May be around 30+ | 05:59 |
| minghua | I assume to derive from ubuntu, translation is going to be quite a problem | 05:59 |
| Chandu | Fujitsu, and my base is dcc | 05:59 |
| Fujitsu | dcc? | 05:59 |
| ajmitch | 30 packages isn't many | 06:00 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, How can I contach Keybuk | 06:00 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, contact Keybuck | 06:00 |
| Hobbsee | h'es on irc | 06:00 |
| Chandu | Hobbsee, which channel | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | well, he's not up right now | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | https://launchpad.net/people/keybuk | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | ^^ has contact info | 06:01 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, ok thank you | 06:01 |
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| Chandu | LaserJock, hey , If I know what exactly that MOM tool will do .,.. then I can write on my own | 06:01 |
| Burgundavia | Chandu: dcc is essentially dead | 06:01 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: maybe DCC is http://www.dccalliance.org/ | 06:01 |
| Chandu | Burgundavia, Oh... No new developments are happening | 06:02 |
| minghua | which is quite likely dead as Burgundavia said | 06:02 |
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| Chandu | minghua, ya the same | 06:02 |
| Burgundavia | Chandu: dcc was a stillborn idea. Base off of pure Debian or Ubuntu | 06:02 |
| Chandu | Burgundavia, But our idea was to go for LSB certified ,,so we started with dcc | 06:04 |
| Burgundavia | right | 06:04 |
| Burgundavia | both debian and ubuntu will give you that | 06:04 |
| Chandu | Burgundavia, I dont think sarge is lsb compliant .. but from etch debian is providing | 06:05 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 06:05 |
| minghua | I doubt you get lsb compliant effortlessly just by deriving from DCC | 06:05 |
| Burgundavia | especially if you change any packages | 06:05 |
| ajmitch | hi Burgundavia | 06:08 |
| Burgundavia | hey ajmitch | 06:08 |
| Burgundavia | I could kiss seb128 | 06:08 |
| Burgundavia | his "upstream delta" stuff | 06:08 |
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| LaserJock | Burgundavia: yes | 06:08 |
| ajmitch | something for the MOTUs to do as well | 06:08 |
| Burgundavia | exactly my thoughts over the last few days | 06:08 |
| ajmitch | every package merged, the MOTU must check upstream & debian | 06:09 |
| Burgundavia | s/days/weeks & months/ | 06:09 |
| Chandu | minghua, Ya .. We have generated the journals for lsb3.0 and lsb3.1 ..and have unofficially submitted to freedesktop.org..Which has been satisfied | 06:09 |
| LaserJock | MOTU Science is just organizing a "reduce the delta" project | 06:09 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: how does directory's delta look? | 06:09 |
| LaserJock | I tried to work on it a little during Edgy but I had so many other things to do it slipped past me | 06:09 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: no idea | 06:09 |
| Burgundavia | there must be an easy way to generate that information | 06:10 |
| ajmitch | sure | 06:10 |
| ajmitch | it's not hard | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | but classifying the changes that we may carry is harder | 06:11 |
| Burgundavia | I was thinking across the entire distro | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | like MoM does? | 06:11 |
| Burgundavia | basically | 06:11 |
| Burgundavia | we need a -qa page, like debian has | 06:11 |
| Chandu | hey , where do I get germinate tool for download | 06:11 |
| Hobbsee | you write one? | 06:12 |
| minghua | I believe germinate is packaged | 06:12 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | Chandu: apt-get install germinate | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: we have http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/all-packages.html | 06:13 |
| minghua | Burgundavia: you mean pages like the packages.qa.d.o ones? | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | but it doesn't describe the kinds of divergence | 06:13 |
| Burgundavia | minghua: yep | 06:13 |
| Burgundavia | something that would merge all these various pages | 06:13 |
| minghua | Burgundavia: yeah, those would be wonderful | 06:13 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, ok | 06:13 |
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| LaserJock | yeah, package information is a particularly bad maze | 06:16 |
| Burgundavia | there is no clear heirarchy | 06:16 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia: There is, sort of. | 06:16 |
| Fujitsu | But it's a very convoluted hierarchy. | 06:17 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: spec it | 06:18 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: right, add that to my todo | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | heh | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | that reminds me | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | LP needs to grow a dotproject-like interface | 06:18 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: A civilian writing an LP spec? | 06:18 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: dotproject? | 06:19 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: excuse me? | 06:19 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: proper project management interface | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | yeah, what Corey said ;-) | 06:19 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: Isn't spec stuff for LP meant to be on their super-private wiki thingy? | 06:19 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia: Aha. | 06:19 |
| Burgundavia | no, launchpads wiki si open | 06:20 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: so? | 06:20 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/ | 06:20 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia: That's the documentation wiki. The proper development (ie. spec) wiki is private. | 06:21 |
| Burgundavia | right | 06:21 |
| Burgundavia | but that lists most of the specs | 06:21 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, Do you know How to generate diffrerent seeds list | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | you write them | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | seeds are maintained manually | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | Chandu: the seeds themselves? you just edit a plain text file with the package names | 06:30 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, I didnt get | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | well a seed is just a file with a list of packages | 06:31 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, oh! I can create a seed list for desktopjust by listing the packages related to desktop in a text file ..right | 06:31 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, Is there any syntax for that ..or just list packages | 06:32 |
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| Chandu | LaserJock, I found something different as this link .. http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/boot | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that's an old seed | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | you can get the current ones from Launchpad | 06:34 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, Oh .. Give me the link dear | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-core-dev/+branch/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.edgy | 06:35 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, Is this launchpad si specifically for ubuntu | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | no | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | Ubuntu derivatives and other projects also use it | 06:36 |
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| Chandu | LaserJock, How do I make use of that | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | Chandu: well, it depends on what you want to do exactly | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | you can register an upstream product or a maybe even a distro | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | you can use Rosetta for translations | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | Malone for bug tracking | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | Blueprint for specification tracking | 06:38 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, Is it to be paid ..or its allowed for free | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | use is free | 06:39 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, ok | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | it's what virtually all Ubuntu development is done on | 06:40 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, ok | 06:41 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, hey .. I didnt any text file of seeds in launch pad ..Do I need to check out from bzr | 06:50 |
| Chandu | didnt get | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | Chandu: just do: bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.edgy | 06:51 |
| Chandu | LaserJock, ok | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | good night MOTU land | 07:04 |
| ajmitch | night LaserJock | 07:04 |
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| naxx | ||.Req.:|| Help on building a debian package |pm me pls ;)|| | 07:39 |
| minghua | why does pm is required? can't be talked in the channel? | 07:41 |
| naxx | can be | 07:41 |
| naxx | i dont mind | 07:41 |
| naxx | i just prefer not to spam the channel | 07:42 |
| naxx | and keep it free for others | 07:42 |
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| naxx | ||.Req.:|| Help on building a debian package |contact me pls ;)|| | 07:43 |
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| ajmitch | have you looked at the ubuntu packaging guide? | 07:45 |
| naxx | yes | 07:45 |
| naxx | and i got some trouble | 07:46 |
| ajmitch | it may help if you ask a more specific question then | 07:46 |
| naxx | i can read manuals, and documentations and put it all together | 07:46 |
| naxx | my problem is i'm trying to build a package for truecrypt | 07:46 |
| naxx | but that stuff is weird ;) | 07:46 |
| naxx | coz it requires some kernel modules | 07:47 |
| naxx | and it tries to build some stuff frome the kernel src | 07:47 |
| naxx | but the source is in a archive | 07:47 |
| ajmitch | then you'll probably need the appropriate linux-headers package | 07:47 |
| naxx | i know | 07:47 |
| ajmitch | & do a bit of makefile hacking | 07:48 |
| ajmitch | it's a shame it appears to not be free software | 07:48 |
| ajmitch | hm, it may be | 07:49 |
| naxx | problem is, truecrypt needs drivers/md/dm.h, and linux-headers does not include it | 07:49 |
| ajmitch | it looks like it may allow modification & distribution of modified sources provided you don't use the truecrypt name | 07:49 |
| naxx | i know | 07:49 |
| ajmitch | closest match I can see is: | 07:49 |
| ajmitch | linux-headers-2.6.17-10: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10/include/config/blk/dev/dm.h | 07:50 |
| naxx | let me check | 07:50 |
| ajmitch | perhaps that's not a public header | 07:50 |
| naxx | i fear that ;) | 07:50 |
| ajmitch | since the source tree does have drivers/md/dm.h | 07:51 |
| naxx | exactly | 07:51 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 09:09 |
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| nemequ | is there something I can do to help make sure you don't release an ancient version of libraptor in the future? like help maintain the package, maybe? | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | yes, you could help out, especially by filing bugs about it | 09:18 |
| ajmitch | it's in main, so release conditions are stricter | 09:18 |
| nemequ | Bugs like "1.4.9 is ancient, please update"? | 09:18 |
| ajmitch | you'd have to give some reasons for it | 09:19 |
| nemequ | I can do that. | 09:20 |
| nemequ | thanks. | 09:20 |
| ajmitch | it just wasn't updated once upstream version freeze hit, since automatic syncs were turned off | 09:20 |
| ajmitch | and noone has filed any bugs about it | 09:20 |
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| nemequ | um, 1.4.10 was released in july. we're on 1.4.13 now. was there a feature freeze in july? | 09:22 |
| ajmitch | yes | 09:22 |
| ajmitch | upstream version freeze was july 13th | 09:23 |
| ajmitch | 1.4.10 wasn't uploaded to debian until august 12th | 09:23 |
| nemequ | oh bloody hell. 1.4.10 was released on the 14th. | 09:23 |
| ajmitch | even so, syncs are based on debian packages | 09:24 |
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| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43150 in gcl "[SRU] maxima frontends fail to connect" [Undecided,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43150 | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | so dajobe didn't get it packaged for awhile | 09:24 |
| dholbach | Fujitsu: we need a policy | 09:24 |
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| dholbach | Fujitsu: the situation has not changed :/ | 09:24 |
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| dholbach | Fujitsu: and it's not only "my call" | 09:25 |
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| dholbach | nemequ: if you want to stay up to scratch, I'd recommend subscribing to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-announce and https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/raptor/+subscribe | 09:25 |
| nemequ | okay well i'll file a bug in launchpad, and i'll talk to dajobe tomorrow--he just went to bed. thanks for your help. | 09:25 |
| dholbach | nemequ: it is possible to get exceptions granted | 09:25 |
| dholbach | nemequ: but as long as nobody has an eye on it, it doesn't happen :/ | 09:25 |
| ajmitch | nemequ: it's very unlikely that you'd get a new upstream release into edgy-updates though | 09:26 |
| ajmitch | exceptions generally happen up to a week or two before release at the very latest | 09:26 |
| nemequ | that's okay about it not being in updates. as long as this kind of thing doesn't happen again next release. | 09:26 |
| dholbach | nemequ: if you could help with that, that'd be GREAT :-) | 09:27 |
| nemequ | and I will, of course. | 09:27 |
| dholbach | ROCK ON | 09:27 |
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| fraco | I'm repackaging scorched3d with the latest version, and get this complaint at the end of the build: http://www.pastebin.be/3452/ | 09:30 |
| fraco | the path to docs contains two / iso only one | 09:30 |
| fraco | I just don't know where it could come from | 09:30 |
| fraco | (packaging newbie) | 09:30 |
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| fraco | no-one? | 09:40 |
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| nemequ | sorry guys, another question... where should I submit the bug? The raptor project on launchpad doesn't seem to be the right place to do it... | 09:45 |
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| fraco | can anyone tell me where i can go for help with packaging? | 09:48 |
| Plug | Here, at a different time of day ;) | 09:50 |
| Plug | Your error suggests the directory isn't being created | 09:51 |
| fraco | US daytime is better then? | 09:53 |
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| Plug | .eu daytime I think | 09:54 |
| Plug | hang on tho: | 09:54 |
| Plug | how are you building the package? | 09:54 |
| Plug | I doubt the two //s matters | 09:54 |
| fraco | Plug: you're right, the dir isn't being created; I was staring at the // | 09:54 |
| fraco | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 09:54 |
| fraco | I suppose the docs have moved | 09:55 |
| Plug | probably | 09:55 |
| minghua | fraco: check with "fakeroot debian/rules build" first, and make sure that dir is created during build | 09:57 |
| fraco | brb | 09:58 |
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| fraco | minghau, Plug: it is being built but at different location | 10:12 |
| Plug | edit the debian/docs file | 10:12 |
| fraco | has separate package for docs, i think it is defined in debian/scorched3d-doc.install | 10:14 |
| fraco | Plug, minghau: can I test changes to install without having to clean the entire thing? | 10:15 |
| fraco | fakeroot debian/rules install ? | 10:15 |
| Plug | "dpkg-buildpackage -nc" will do what you want | 10:15 |
| Plug | (no clean) | 10:15 |
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| fraco | got past the docs now | 10:17 |
| fraco | thnx | 10:19 |
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| fraco | I edited the pastebin with a new error i get now http://www.pastebin.be/3452/ | 10:25 |
| fraco | i really don't have a clue - stumped | 10:25 |
| Plug | isnt that the same error as before? | 10:26 |
| fraco | i reused the pastebin | 10:27 |
| fraco | still shows | 10:27 |
| fraco | ill make a new one i guess | 10:28 |
| fraco | http://www.pastebin.be/3455/ | 10:28 |
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| fraco | i'll try to build it clean, maybe some file hanging around | 10:32 |
| Plug | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375749 | 10:33 |
| Plug | could be relevant. | 10:33 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 375749 in dpkg-dev "tar: -: file name read contains nul character" [Important,Closed] | 10:34 |
| minghua | that's harmless | 10:34 |
| fraco | ah | 10:35 |
| fraco | I had lack of patiance then | 10:36 |
| fraco | i thought the build was hanging on that | 10:36 |
| fraco | but just a warning | 10:36 |
| fraco | thnx again | 10:36 |
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| giskard | hello | 10:59 |
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| fraco | how do i get an app to install in the ubuntu games dir instead of in the debian/games/strategy dir? | 11:04 |
| azeem | fraco: ship a proper .desktop file | 11:05 |
| fraco | links 2 wiki? | 11:05 |
| azeem | no idea | 11:05 |
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| xerxas | Hi everyone ! | 11:30 |
| fraco | so now, with the help of Plug and minghua i made a updated package for scorched3d | 11:34 |
| fraco | should i leave it to the original contributor to update the repos | 11:34 |
| fraco | (me being a packaging virgin and not part of the MOTU team) | 11:34 |
| fraco | should i send it to the original contributor (==siretart)? | 11:35 |
| fraco | should i step in and follow the wiki to upload the package for review and later inclusion? | 11:36 |
| fraco | I'm willing to work through that if it helps | 11:36 |
| fraco | but only if it helps | 11:37 |
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| bjp | hi guys, I've merged the original debian-unstable package of flamerobin to an ubuntu package. Should I build the package with debuild -S -sa and dput it, like necessary for other packages? | 12:04 |
| Fujitsu | bjp: Is the package currently in unstable? | 12:06 |
| bjp | Fujitsu: yes it is | 12:08 |
| Fujitsu | bjp: It is new, correct? | 12:09 |
| bjp | Fujitsu: well it's accepted in unstable about a month ago so it's pretty new yes | 12:09 |
| Fujitsu | OK, so what do you mean when you say you've merged it? | 12:10 |
| Fujitsu | There aren't any Ubuntu changes to merge with... | 12:10 |
| bjp | Fujitsu: I've changed the package maintainer in debian/control and bumped the version in debian/changelog (concatenated it with '~ubuntu.1') | 12:12 |
| Fujitsu | bjp: Why did you change the maintainer? | 12:12 |
| bjp | Fujitsu: you're right, I'm sorry. I meant that I've adapted the debian contents for ubuntu | 12:12 |
| bjp | Fujitsu: the debian maintainer told me too | 12:12 |
| Fujitsu | No adaptations are required in the vast majority of packages. | 12:12 |
| bjp | s/too/to/ | 12:13 |
| Fujitsu | Er, why!? | 12:13 |
| Fujitsu | Did the Debian maintainer give a reason for changing the maintainer field? | 12:14 |
| bjp | Fujitsu: one moment please, I'll ask.. | 12:14 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 12:14 |
| ogra | if its in universe it will get imported automatically anyway | 12:15 |
| ogra | no need to change anything except it breaks | 12:16 |
| Fujitsu | ogra: Not automatically, AFAIK. | 12:16 |
| Fujitsu | Upon our request, yes. There's no need to change anything, unless the Debian maintainer has an incredibly good reason for it. | 12:16 |
| ogra | if MOM runs for feisty it will get imported automatically | 12:16 |
| ogra | MOM imortas all packages automatically that have no -XubuntuX in the versioning | 12:17 |
| ogra | *imports | 12:17 |
| Fujitsu | I'm pretty sure it doesn't automatically import new ones... | 12:17 |
| ogra | or that are manually blacklisted because we are uzpstream (i.e. ltsp) | 12:17 |
| ogra | if it doessnt, thats a bug | 12:18 |
| ogra | it did before afaik | 12:18 |
| bjp | ogra: well okay, but AFAIK it isn't imported yet.. how long does it take? | 12:18 |
| Fujitsu | I would consider it a bug if it DID import new source packages without checking. | 12:18 |
| Fujitsu | bjp: Once Feisty opens, it could take a few days. | 12:18 |
| ogra | bjp, it has to wait until the archive opens | 12:18 |
| Fujitsu | bjp: Has the maintainer given a reason yet? | 12:18 |
| ogra | and MOM runs indeed | 12:19 |
| bjp | Fujitsu: nope not yet, he's busy right now and will answer me later.. | 12:19 |
| ogra | its very very odd to have to maintain a delta manually for a maintainer name change | 12:19 |
| ogra | we usually dont do that | 12:19 |
| Fujitsu | Add a couple of verys to ogra's statement, and you get my view. | 12:19 |
| bjp | Fujitsu: :-) | 12:20 |
| bjp | Fujitsu: well I guess he isn't that aware of the Ubuntu system. Maybe I'm just having the wrong approach to get a flamerobin package included in Ubuntu. What steps should I take to do it, or should I wait for a system that includes it automatically? | 12:22 |
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| Fujitsu | bjp: Source packages are (unless requiring modifications) synced straight from Debian, with no changes at all. That includes most of the archive. | 12:23 |
| Fujitsu | You should wait until Feisty opens, and wait a few days to see if it appears. If not, file a bug requesting it be synced, and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to get a developer to approve it. | 12:24 |
| bjp | Fujitsu: well, shouldn't it have appeared in edgy as the debian package is accepted in unstable over a month ago now? | 12:27 |
| Fujitsu | bjp: No. Autosyncing was turned off in mid-July. | 12:27 |
| thom | bjp: no, edgy was frozen some time ago | 12:27 |
| bjp | Fujitsu: okay I see | 12:27 |
| bjp | Fujitsu: so it will be synced to Feisty sometime soon as far as you consider this? | 12:28 |
| Fujitsu | Yes. | 12:28 |
| bjp | Fujitsu: okay well I'll just wait for that moment then :-) any ideas on the time period before Feisty is opened? And the sync system runs every night I guess? | 12:30 |
| === StevenK waits for Feisty to open so he can deal with his 11 merges and then get bored again. | ||
| Fujitsu | StevenK: I've almost finished my 19. | 12:30 |
| StevenK | Heh. I've glanced at 3 of them, all of them turn into syncs. | 12:31 |
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| Fujitsu | Hey Hobbsee | 12:42 |
| Hobbsee | hey Fujitsu | 12:44 |
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| fraco | I updated a package (scorched3d) with the latest version | 01:06 |
| fraco | should I now upload it for review and later inclusion | 01:07 |
| fraco | or should a packaging virgin and not motu team member leave it be | 01:07 |
| fraco | or maybe i should contact the original packager for ubuntu? | 01:07 |
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| luisbg_zZzZz | hi all | 01:12 |
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| siretart | fraco: do you happen to have your contribution in a bzr branch? | 01:15 |
| siretart | fraco: I (at least) try to maintain it in debian, so that both distros profit from that | 01:16 |
| fraco | i don't even know what a bzr branch is | 01:16 |
| siretart | fraco: the current problem of scorched3d is that it uses a non-free font, which renders the package undistributable | 01:16 |
| fraco | I c | 01:16 |
| fraco | no, i didn't take any of that into account | 01:16 |
| siretart | I'd be happy to upgrade the package 40.1b, if someone could provide me the replacement font | 01:16 |
| fraco | how did you do it for the older releases? | 01:17 |
| siretart | what? | 01:17 |
| fraco | replace the font | 01:17 |
| siretart | for older releases, we didn't notice that problem | 01:17 |
| fraco | ah | 01:17 |
| siretart | this is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298932, btw | 01:17 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 298932 in scorched3d-data "scorched3d-data: contains non-free fonts" [Serious,Closed] | 01:17 |
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| fraco | so there will not be an offical universe package until someone fixes that font? | 01:18 |
| siretart | I should 'import' it into launchpad.net as well, right | 01:18 |
| siretart | fraco: unless that issue is fixed, I cannot upload a newer package to debian | 01:18 |
| siretart | fraco: and I really like it to be fixed in debian first. OTOH, we don't want non-free stuff in multiverse as well, so.. | 01:18 |
| fraco | the reason i went and produced a package is that as a user i *just want* scorched3d :-S | 01:19 |
| siretart | fraco: btw, I talked to Gavin (scorched3d upstream). he agreed to include new fonts if I could provide some | 01:19 |
| siretart | fraco: I know. however you need to see that the package does have problems. I'm no font artist either | 01:20 |
| fraco | I c | 01:20 |
| siretart | and I'd really appreciate an updated scorched3d as well ;) - I love that game | 01:20 |
| fraco | same here | 01:20 |
| fraco | actually, as I don't care much (maybe not enough) about the non-freedness of the font, I have my own packages now | 01:21 |
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| fraco | however, I imagine it's frustrating for other players | 01:21 |
| fraco | I'm not sure if I can help anything in the font department (being a newb in packaging and totally in fonts) | 01:21 |
| fraco | however, if I do get any results, I'll ping you again ? | 01:22 |
| siretart | fraco: the bug already mentions a good replacement font I intend to use. we only need an 'outline' font based on that | 01:22 |
| fraco | so we need a font artist | 01:22 |
| fraco | !=me | 01:22 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about me - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 01:22 |
| fraco | which im not | 01:22 |
| siretart | fraco: I've looked into the issue again this weekend with a friend. it doesn't look to hard to create such a font | 01:22 |
| fraco | never even tried that | 01:22 |
| DarkMageZ | siretart, what is the licencing on the font? | 01:23 |
| fraco | willing to try, but I have serious doubts on how far I would get | 01:23 |
| siretart | but if you happen to meet someone who can handle fontforge, just ask him to do such an outline font based on the bitstream font | 01:23 |
| fraco | if I do happen to meet someone like that, I will | 01:23 |
| siretart | DarkMageZ: the copyright is "all rights preseverd, including modification and redistribution" | 01:23 |
| fraco | dont put any money on it though... | 01:23 |
| DarkMageZ | oh, that IS serious | 01:24 |
| siretart | yepp | 01:24 |
| fraco | siretart: btw. why is nvidia-glx marked as a conflicts? | 01:25 |
| siretart | fraco: of scorched3d? it isn't | 01:26 |
| siretart | only as build-conflicts | 01:26 |
| fraco | ok as build-conflicts then? | 01:26 |
| Hobbsee | so that the nvidia package doesnt become a dependancy of it | 01:26 |
| siretart | to prevent building against the non-free headers. use a changeroot with the mesa headers | 01:27 |
| Hobbsee | that too | 01:27 |
| fraco | *ding* | 01:27 |
| fraco | Ok, out of my depth | 01:27 |
| fraco | nm | 01:27 |
| fraco | I'll google some on that | 01:27 |
| fraco | siretart: thnx for the info, If I have something on the fonts I'll get back to you. | 01:28 |
| siretart | fraco: ok. great! | 01:28 |
| fraco | if for some reason you would be interested in the package I made, you can contact me of course | 01:28 |
| siretart | fraco: what did you need to change? | 01:28 |
| siretart | besides debian/changelog and the new upstream tarball? | 01:28 |
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| fraco | erm the alut stuff (but you had a patch for that | 01:29 |
| fraco | removed some patches | 01:29 |
| fraco | did the .configure with an extra flag (to prevent it from choking on the openal/alut stuff) | 01:29 |
| fraco | docs have moved up one dir | 01:29 |
| fraco | thats all | 01:29 |
| fraco | not much | 01:30 |
| siretart | yes, many patches can be dropped (and are already in my bzr branch) | 01:30 |
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| DarkMageZ | !bzr > DarkMageZ | 01:30 |
| fraco | extra configure flag was --disable-openaltest | 01:31 |
| fraco | but i think you did work around that in a different way | 01:31 |
| siretart | ah, that broken configure snippet, yes, I think I fixed that check | 01:31 |
| siretart | at least in my local copy | 01:31 |
| fraco | ok, well, erm, big thnx for maintaining that fun game | 01:32 |
| siretart | :) | 01:32 |
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| Hobbsee | thom: +1 on yoru post on -devel | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | (ML) | 02:08 |
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| jsgotangco | nice post | 02:09 |
| thom | i think the big problem is going to be providing an infrastructure that makes sense for kde and gnome; it may well be that the one-size-fits-all style of beryl isn't appropriate | 02:10 |
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| gnomefreak | antone else think its a good ideat o get frostwire in multiverse? | 02:10 |
| gnomefreak | s/antone/anyone s/ideat o/idea to | 02:11 |
| thom | i have no idea what frostwire is, so you may want to provide some more details | 02:11 |
| gnomefreak | thom: an Opensource p2p app. pretty much Open Souce version of limewire also runs on java. | 02:12 |
| gnomefreak | !frostwire | 02:13 |
| ubotu | frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire. For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire | 02:13 |
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| gnomefreak | what spurs me asking is they never build a version of the installer to work with dash. many users use this app and i have had to fix a few people so far with the bash/dash conversion | 02:14 |
| azeem | so why in multiverse? | 02:14 |
| gnomefreak | azeem: i was thinking universe but since it depends on java it should be a canidate for multiverse | 02:14 |
| azeem | oh, I assumed there was a free java stack in Ubuntu by now | 02:15 |
| gnomefreak | unless it can be compiled with gcj but i doubt it | 02:15 |
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| azeem | well, would be useful to research that | 02:15 |
| gnomefreak | agreed but my knowledge is slim when it come to packaging it may take me a while to figure it out. and i didnt want to spend a week on packaging it if it was not possible to be added to repos. i dont know why its not there now | 02:16 |
| gnomefreak | i wrote frostwire an email about building an edgy version of saturday so im expecting a reply on that (makes packaging a bit easier not having to change the installer script) | 02:19 |
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| azeem | why does it have an installer anyway? | 02:20 |
| gnomefreak | azeem: cause its writen in java i assume | 02:21 |
| azeem | *blink* :) | 02:21 |
| gnomefreak | it would be nice if we can drop the installer but thats well over my head | 02:21 |
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| gnomefreak | maybe the reason its not in repos | 02:23 |
| gnomefreak | however there are .debs built for it on their site | 02:23 |
| azeem | ah, so the .debs don't use the installer? | 02:23 |
| gnomefreak | azeem: im assuming they do. since the .deb wont install on edgy proprely because of the #!/bin/sh | 02:24 |
| gnomefreak | the installer is made to run on bash | 02:25 |
| gnomefreak | downloading the .deb and opening it i never saw the installer file but i might have missed it | 02:27 |
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| bhale | debconf at 9600baud is painful | 03:41 |
| bhale | ncurses that is | 03:41 |
| zul | bhale: what are you doing to use 9600 baud? | 03:42 |
| bhale | zul: serial console server | 03:42 |
| zul | ah | 03:42 |
| bhale | it could do much faster | 03:42 |
| bhale | but 9600 is default | 03:42 |
| bhale | i got tired of managing remote servers via the network | 03:43 |
| bhale | there is an obvious problem with this | 03:43 |
| Jozo- | Is there any chances push fixed gnunet-package to edgy-updates? See bug 66467 and bug 66507 | 03:45 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66467 in gnunet "Missing dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66467 | 03:45 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66507 in gnunet "[DEBDIFF] gnunet: merge new debian version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66507 | 03:45 |
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| sivang | hi all | 03:49 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:54 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi sivang, hi bddebian | 03:59 |
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| gnomefreak | in theroy we would like all scripts to run in dash instead of bash correct? | 04:01 |
| gnomefreak | theory even | 04:02 |
| thom | well, if you want them to work as /bin/sh there's no theory about it | 04:03 |
| trappist | gnomefreak: if they're POSIX-compliant, yeah | 04:04 |
| gnomefreak | doesnt seem to be so changing the #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash is ok? | 04:04 |
| thom | if you _have_ to. fixing the script would be better IMO | 04:05 |
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| gnomefreak | thom: yeah figured as much | 04:05 |
| gnomefreak | will see if i can find where its defined other than #! | 04:05 |
| bddebian | Hi Gloubiboulga | 04:06 |
| trappist | gnomefreak: what script? | 04:06 |
| gnomefreak | AVA_PROGRAM_DIR="$D/bin/" that looks like it needs to be changed | 04:06 |
| gnomefreak | +J in front | 04:07 |
| gnomefreak | frostwire | 04:07 |
| gnomefreak | assuming this means no gcj # short-circuit gcj | 04:07 |
| trappist | that looks like it ought to be find | 04:07 |
| trappist | most of the stuff breaking in dash has to do with command substitution | 04:08 |
| trappist | s/find/fine/ | 04:08 |
| gnomefreak | everything i see is defining javas path not so much bash/dash | 04:09 |
| thom | gnomefreak: does it run with /bin/sh ? if not, what are the errors | 04:10 |
| gnomefreak | its a 9 error | 04:10 |
| gnomefreak | oops | 04:10 |
| gnomefreak | ( error | 04:10 |
| gnomefreak | cant read the ( | 04:10 |
| thom | paste the whole thing, or run it as "sh -x foo" and see exactly what the line is that fails | 04:11 |
| zul | anyone know if its ok to remove the files in /var/run/sudo? | 04:12 |
| gnomefreak | ok let me see if i can try to install her | 04:12 |
| trappist | zul: I don't have a /var/run/sudo | 04:13 |
| gnomefreak | it installs fine when you go to run it you get runFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}") | 04:14 |
| gnomefreak | line 44 looks noraml | 04:15 |
| gnomefreak | so does 43 and 45 | 04:15 |
| trappist | gnomefreak: got a link to the script? pastebin maybe? | 04:15 |
| gnomefreak | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29375/ | 04:17 |
| trappist | ah, I knew I'd see command substitution on line 44 :) | 04:17 |
| gnomefreak | trappist: english please | 04:17 |
| gnomefreak | lol | 04:17 |
| gnomefreak | you mean the j* | 04:18 |
| gnomefreak | i dont see an ending " | 04:18 |
| trappist | I mean the `` | 04:19 |
| gnomefreak | i see beginning | 04:19 |
| gnomefreak | nvm i found it | 04:19 |
| gnomefreak | ` isnt a sub is it since it has one at beginngina nd end? | 04:19 |
| gnomefreak | beginning | 04:20 |
| trappist | gnomefreak: try getting rid of the parens | 04:21 |
| gnomefreak | ` or " | 04:22 |
| gnomefreak | ack )? | 04:22 |
| gnomefreak | would the deb use the same .sh file as the tar? | 04:24 |
| gnomefreak | runFrost.sh: 45: Syntax error: Bad substitution | 04:27 |
| gnomefreak | after removing the ( ) | 04:27 |
| gnomefreak | in line 44 | 04:28 |
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| trappist | change that to | 04:30 |
| trappist | for D in "$potential_java_dirs"; do | 04:30 |
| gnomefreak | mind you this is witout changing the #! | 04:30 |
| trappist | (line 45) | 04:30 |
| gnomefreak | ok trying | 04:31 |
| gnomefreak | hmmmmmm thats not good | 04:31 |
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| gnomefreak | now its not seeing my java | 04:32 |
| gnomefreak | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29381/ | 04:35 |
| bhale | [[ is bash, no? | 04:35 |
| bhale | there is a binary version for compatibility | 04:36 |
| bhale | er, only [ | 04:36 |
| gnomefreak | bhale: it gonna end up being chaning the full script to do this and i will be looking it up | 04:36 |
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| joejaxx | LaserJock: hello | 06:11 |
| joejaxx | :) | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | hi joejaxx | 06:11 |
| joejaxx | i wanted to ask you if you could be motu mentor | 06:12 |
| joejaxx | since you already help me :) | 06:12 |
| joejaxx | hmm if i just built a package that is in edgy but for dapper that should be in backports | 06:13 |
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| joejaxx | my motu mentor* | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: sure, that's fine | 06:16 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: alright | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | regarding motu mentorship | 06:17 |
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| giskard_ | hello LaserJock | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | hi giskard | 06:29 |
| imbrandon | ugh | 06:30 |
| imbrandon | today sucks | 06:30 |
| imbrandon | i think i'm gonna get an ulcer | 06:30 |
| imbrandon | i think i /have/ an ulcer | 06:30 |
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| joejaxx | imbrandon: :\ | 06:30 |
| zul | imbrandon: that sucks.. | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | zul: well thasts not the bad news, its becouse i got divorce papers today | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | :( | 06:31 |
| zul | doh!~ | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | fsk, i need to call a lawer | 06:31 |
| joejaxx | :( | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | and i really think i have an ulcer now | 06:32 |
| imbrandon | man today is gonna suck | 06:32 |
| zul | it could be worse.. | 06:33 |
| imbrandon | i guess, i just cant see how right now | 06:33 |
| Tonio_ | hi | 06:33 |
| imbrandon | ello Tonio_ | 06:33 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: ;) | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I finally bought a dual core...... | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | third laptop of the year..... shame on me | 06:34 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:34 |
| zul | imbrandon: you could loose your foot due to frost bite | 06:34 |
| _MMA_ | imbrandon: Sorry to hear the news. Thats a shame. | 06:34 |
| imbrandon | zul: haha | 06:34 |
| imbrandon | i need a stiff drink | 06:34 |
| zul | zul: then we could call you clubby | 06:34 |
| imbrandon | i think i'm gonna go get sloshed tonight | 06:35 |
| _MMA_ | Ill buy one at UDS. ;) | 06:35 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: good point is that the seller was an ubuntu user, so when I show him my ubuntu card, he reduced the price 300..... I was completly amazed :) | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: rockin | 06:35 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: absolutly :) | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | man my head is going 100000 miles an hour | 06:36 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: did you test my patches for multimedia simplification ? | 06:37 |
| Tonio_ | packages are available for edgy, waiting for feisty | 06:37 |
| _MMA_ | imbrandon: Do you have kids? | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | yea 3 | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: cool, i'm not really in the rightn frame of mind to test them right now, but i will | 06:38 |
| _MMA_ | Wow. Im sorry to hear that man. Thats rough. I have 2. | 06:38 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: better wait for mtv now.... :) | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | _MMA_: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/all.gif has 2 of them in the pic | 06:39 |
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| _MMA_ | Cute :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1189795&postcount=12 Me and mine. | 06:40 |
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| herzi | dholbach: ping | 06:52 |
| dholbach | herzi: pong | 06:52 |
| herzi | dholbach: about a year ago you told me about your network-lib? | 06:53 |
| dholbach | oh man | 06:53 |
| herzi | can you set up a repository for it? | 06:53 |
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| dholbach | I'll have to dig it out | 06:53 |
| dholbach | you'll be thoroughly disappointed | 06:53 |
| dholbach | phone brb | 06:53 |
| herzi | k | 06:53 |
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| Tonio_ | I didn't read the log before speaking here.... | 07:03 |
| Tonio_ | stupid of me | 07:03 |
| imbrandon | :) its all good | 07:03 |
| fernando | hi all | 07:04 |
| joejaxx | any documentation on how to properly go about putting a package into dapper-backports? | 07:07 |
| Burgwork | joejaxx: it needs to be in dapper itself | 07:08 |
| Burgwork | and then you ask for it via a bug report | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: what do you mean by "putting" | 07:08 |
| joejaxx | well i was building this packages for testing on fluxbuntu | 07:08 |
| joejaxx | and it is already packaged | 07:08 |
| joejaxx | for dapper | 07:09 |
| joejaxx | but it was for edgy | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | ok, what package is this? | 07:09 |
| joejaxx | xcompmgr | 07:09 |
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| LaserJock | joejaxx: and you want 1.1.3? | 07:10 |
| joejaxx | yeah | 07:10 |
| joejaxx | i am about to try the package on my system | 07:10 |
| joejaxx | lol | 07:10 |
| joejaxx | i still need to run linda and litian | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | then you need to file a backports request | 07:10 |
| joejaxx | lintian | 07:10 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: oh | 07:10 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 07:11 |
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| marv_ | hi, the easiest way to include my debian packages to ubuntu universe is to upload to REVU, right? | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | marv_: are they already in Debian? | 07:17 |
| marv_ | LaserJock: yes | 07:17 |
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| marv_ | http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=Marvin+Stark&comaint=yes | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | marv_: then they should be automatically be included when we sync for Feisty | 07:18 |
| marv_ | LaserJock: ah ok right, but do i receive bug reports from ubuntu? | 07:19 |
| marv_ | or is the maintainer changed? | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | well, the Maintainer: field will change per Debian's request | 07:19 |
| bhale | marv_: bug mail isnt automatically sent to the Maintainer from control | 07:19 |
| bhale | marv_: (from Ubuntu) | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | but there is another field that will have your name | 07:19 |
| bhale | you can search bugs by package | 07:19 |
| imbrandon | you can add your self to the bugmail in LP easy | 07:20 |
| bhale | or subscribe to a package | 07:20 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: well the package works :) | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: did you have to change anything to get it to work on Dapper? | 07:21 |
| joejaxx | nope | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | good | 07:22 |
| marv_ | LaserJock: is there only a sync if ubuntu gets updated? | 07:22 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: *** 1.1.3~20060831-0ubuntu1 0 | 07:22 |
| joejaxx | 500 http://archive.fluxbuntu.net dapper/main Packages | 07:22 |
| joejaxx | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | we sync to Debian sid at the beginning of each release cycle | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | but you can request a manual sync later on if it's needed | 07:23 |
| marv_ | LaserJock: ok, universerse is comparable with sid, right? | 07:24 |
| bhale | marv_: sortof? | 07:24 |
| bhale | thats wheremost packages come from | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | it's a snapshot of sid plus any Ubuntu specific packages and a few other packages | 07:26 |
| marv_ | my target is, that my packages are well tended on debian and ubuntu ;-) | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | sure | 07:27 |
| bhale | sounds good | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | that's my target too :-) | 07:27 |
| joejaxx | qqq/win 11 | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | marv_: If I were you I'd put myself as a bug contact for the packages I maintain in Debian | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | marv_: and if there are particular things the Ubuntu people need to know just ping them on IRC or ubuntu-motu mailing list | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | the MOTU can't always keep everything maintained as we would like | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | so just getting a little "heads up" from the Debian maintainers is really nice | 07:30 |
| marv_ | ok. | 07:33 |
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| crimsun | ProN00b: please do not fill -devel will senseless drivel. Those applications are not relevant to Ubuntu development. Ask in here regarding updates -- and specifically WHAT YOU CAN DO to help maintain them. Complaining that they're nonexistent or outdated is likely to be ignored if you're not going to step up. | 07:43 |
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| gnomefreak | im assuming we are still all kinds of frozen? | 07:52 |
| gnomefreak | for edgy | 07:52 |
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| imbrandon | as its stable yes, any edgy updates have to go through the SRU processes | 07:53 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 07:54 |
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| imbrandon | crimsun, did you hear any word on -backports ? amarok is ready to go so it might be a good "test" | 07:56 |
| gnomefreak | backports not -updates? | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | gnomefreak, yes becouse its a new upstream version , not a simple fix to an existing version | 07:57 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 07:57 |
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| ajmitch | morning all | 07:59 |
| imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 07:59 |
| gnomefreak | good morning ajmitch | 08:00 |
| herzi | dholbach: back? | 08:00 |
| dholbach | yes | 08:01 |
| herzi | so, where'd you like to host that code? | 08:03 |
| dholbach | herzi: I will try to find it (I think I have it burnt on a CD or something) and send you a tarball | 08:04 |
| dholbach | it's horribly broken and maybe won't even build | 08:04 |
| dholbach | so I doubt i'll put it online anywhere atm | 08:04 |
| herzi | okay | 08:04 |
| herzi | i might ping you on saturday again :) | 08:04 |
| dholbach | won't be here on saturday, but i'll look into it | 08:05 |
| herzi | thank you | 08:05 |
| ajmitch | what fun code have you written, dholbach ? | 08:05 |
| dholbach | for my thesis, nothing fancy :) | 08:05 |
| ajmitch | aha :) | 08:06 |
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| luisbg | the english expresion "what so ever" is it written like that? | 09:09 |
| bhale | whatsoever | 09:09 |
| luisbg | all together? | 09:10 |
| bhale | yes. | 09:10 |
| luisbg | ok, look at bug number 65450 | 09:10 |
| luisbg | I just apt installed it with no problem whatsoever | 09:10 |
| luisbg | was just going to add a comment saying so | 09:10 |
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| luisbg | should I make the comment or check with you guys the bug doesn't really exist first? | 09:11 |
| bhale | did you install every binary | 09:11 |
| bhale | or one? | 09:11 |
| bhale | you should not ask us if you are sure | 09:11 |
| luisbg | did apt-get install libao-ruby | 09:11 |
| bhale | no no | 09:12 |
| luisbg | and it got libao-ruby1.8 too and installed it all | 09:12 |
| bhale | apt-cache showsrc libao-ruby | grep inar | 09:12 |
| bhale | install all of them | 09:12 |
| bhale | if you havent already | 09:12 |
| luisbg | it also depends on libao-ruby1.6 (which is broken) | 09:13 |
| bhale | there you go | 09:13 |
| bhale | the cause of the bug | 09:13 |
| luisbg | but shouldn't it work with libao-ruby1.8 only? | 09:13 |
| bhale | a binary from that source is uninstallable | 09:13 |
| bhale | its a bug | 09:13 |
| luisbg | so I should like at why libao-ruby1.6 is not working, right? | 09:14 |
| imbrandon | right | 09:15 |
| geser | I assume it's because libruby1.6 is gone (only libruby1.8 and 1.9 is there) | 09:16 |
| luisbg | libao-ruby1.6 depends on libruby1.6 when that's obsolete, it's libruby1.8 | 09:16 |
| luisbg | damn... you wrote it at the same time as I did | 09:16 |
| luisbg | so I'm going to update the depends of libruby1.6 =) | 09:16 |
| bhale | in that case it should stop building libao-ruby1.6 | 09:16 |
| bhale | no? | 09:16 |
| luisbg | and building libao-ruby1.8? | 09:17 |
| bhale | why make 1.6 depend on 1.8 | 09:17 |
| bhale | defeats the purpose it seems | 09:17 |
| luisbg | it seamed weird to me to depend on two versions of the same thing, must be for some reason | 09:17 |
| geser | libao-ruby1.8 exists | 09:17 |
| bhale | so that ruby 1.6 and 1.8 are paralel installable | 09:17 |
| bhale | but apperantly 1.6 is being dropped? | 09:17 |
| luisbg | geser, yes yes, libao-ruby depends on 1.6 and 1.8 | 09:17 |
| bhale | would be nice to hear that from the ruby guys | 09:17 |
| luisbg | so where are the ruby guys to ask? | 09:18 |
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| geser | http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/sound/libao-ruby shows only libao-ruby1.8 | 09:18 |
| luisbg | geser, apt tells an other story | 09:18 |
| luisbg | but then that means the package should depend only in 1.8 | 09:19 |
| geser | $ apt-cache show libao-ruby | grep Depends | 09:19 |
| geser | Depends: libao-ruby1.8 | 09:19 |
| luisbg | geser, yes... that's why I could install it without problems but... | 09:19 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: no. I wouldn't count on it until feisty's floodgates open. | 09:20 |
| luisbg | d33p@selene:~/Desktop/development/ubuntu$ apt-cache showsrc libao-ruby | grep inar | 09:20 |
| luisbg | Binary: libao-ruby, libao-ruby1.8, libao-ruby1.6 | 09:20 |
| geser | yes, the source package builds also libao-ruby1.6 but libao-ruby doesn't depend on it | 09:21 |
| luisbg | geser, in the debian/control of libao-ruby there is a package: libao-ruby1.6 | 09:21 |
| luisbg | the package installs and works, but that section is obsolete | 09:21 |
| luisbg | seams like 1.6 is deprecated | 09:22 |
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| trappist | I don't see a reason to keep the 1.6 stuff | 09:22 |
| luisbg | me neither | 09:22 |
| geser | if you stop building libao-ruby1.6 (remove from control) then the bug is fixed | 09:22 |
| trappist | you'd also want to remove it from debian/rules | 09:22 |
| luisbg | removing it and sending the debdiff as a comment to launchpad | 09:22 |
| trappist | lines 24-28 | 09:22 |
| luisbg | trappist, ok thanks | 09:23 |
| trappist | so then of course you want to remove the build-depends too from control | 09:23 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, figured as much, wish we could upload directly :( | 09:24 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: you could try after asking kamion/infinity/keybuk | 09:25 |
| luisbg | in the changelogs it isn't "unstable" anymore right? is it "edy" or "feisty"? | 09:26 |
| crimsun | luisbg: the latter. | 09:26 |
| imbrandon | yea i asked in general in -devel, but i'll do it again when one of them is "awake" | 09:26 |
| imbrandon | luisbg, correct "feisty" | 09:26 |
| luisbg | =) | 09:27 |
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| imbrandon | gnomefreak, you still arround, i got to looking at the frostwire packages , seems only needs 3 small changes to work great | 09:28 |
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| joejaxx | backporting is fun | 09:29 |
| joejaxx | except when you have to backport the package's dependencies and their dependencies haha | 09:30 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx, that wouldent be my choice of words :) | 09:30 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: :P | 09:30 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: ^ | 09:30 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx, thats when it becomes in pratical to backport something, it should be able to be backported alone :) | 09:30 |
| imbrandon | s/in pratical/impratical/ | 09:31 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: yeah :) | 09:31 |
| luisbg | debdiff sent =), I have sent a few ones in the last days... how do I know if they have actually been looked at by a MOTU and possibly uploaded? | 09:31 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: like i am looking about backporting usplash also | 09:31 |
| joejaxx | usplash-dev that is | 09:31 |
| ajmitch | luisbg: you've subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug? | 09:31 |
| luisbg | ajmitch, yes =) | 09:32 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx, wow , to what ? if you mean from edgy to dapper, why on earth would you ? | 09:32 |
| ajmitch | ok, then someone will get to them in time | 09:32 |
| imbrandon | luisbg, yup it will get taken care of then | 09:32 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: well for productivityu | 09:32 |
| joejaxx | productivity :) | 09:32 |
| luisbg | my question was how I know it has been taken care of | 09:33 |
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| ajmitch | luisbg: you'll see comments on the bug | 09:33 |
| imbrandon | a comment on the bug ( along with it being closed when it has ) | 09:33 |
| luisbg | cool | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | we can't upload anything at the moment | 09:33 |
| imbrandon | and since you made a comment or filed the bug you will get an email notification about it | 09:33 |
| luisbg | frozen | 09:33 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: i am told that the new usplash supports more colours | 09:34 |
| luisbg | how does the assigning bugs work in launchpad? I mean when it is used? | 09:34 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: instead of the normal 16 | 09:34 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx, it does but its very very involved package, you will have to backport many many packages and libs for little or no benifet | 09:34 |
| imbrandon | and introduce more bugs into a stable release | 09:34 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: well i do not have rights to upload to the repository | 09:35 |
| joejaxx | lol | 09:35 |
| imbrandon | so i'm still at the stance "why on earth would you?" , instaead of just using edgy if you want "bling" | 09:35 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: there whould not be an bugs | 09:35 |
| joejaxx | as it whould not be uploaded | 09:36 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: because edgy has problems in this application | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx, even if it was used localy , it took the devs many months to get it right and it still falls back on amd64 and such | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | right but it still boils down to why you "need" more colors for usplash , time spent getting that to work ( weeks at the leaste ) on dapper would be better spent getting the app in question to work on edgy , and also benifet others too | 09:37 |
| imbrandon | but again , its your time, i cant tell you what to do, just seems off base to me | 09:38 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: for fun | 09:40 |
| imbrandon | okies :) | 09:40 |
| joejaxx | :) | 09:40 |
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| joejaxx | imbrandon: just trying to explore all the jobs of a motu | 09:42 |
| joejaxx | that you all do | 09:42 |
| joejaxx | right now i have building a package from source, backporting | 09:43 |
| joejaxx | i still do not know how to update or patch packages | 09:43 |
| joejaxx | or maybe i do and i just do not understand that terminology | 09:43 |
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| ajmitch | luisbg: please remember to use x.y-zubuntu1 versioning | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | so that 0.1-1 becomes 0.1-1ubuntu1, not 0.1-2 | 10:01 |
| crimsun | betterdesktop.org has some interesting usage videos | 10:02 |
| luisbg | ajmitch, oops | 10:02 |
| luisbg | ajmitch, going to fix, sorry | 10:02 |
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| luisbg | ajmitch, since when is this new ubuntu versioning? | 10:04 |
| Plug | imbrandon: can I grab your art-staging.ubuntu.com g2 theme? | 10:06 |
| Burgwork | luisbg: since the very beginning of ubuntu | 10:06 |
| imbrandon | Plug, yes its on art.ubuntu.com live now, but sure | 10:06 |
| Burgwork | luisbg: it means that when we sync -2 from debian, we don;t have issues | 10:06 |
| imbrandon | Plug, need me to tar it up for you ? | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | luisbg: it's always been like this, for any changes we make | 10:08 |
| Plug | imbrandon: I have another site that could benefit from having it | 10:08 |
| Plug | imbrandon: if you could, that would be great! | 10:09 |
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| imbrandon | Plug, yea give me a few minutes to finish this upload then i'll login and grab it | 10:09 |
| Plug | cool, no hurry | 10:09 |
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| luisbg | Burgwork, ajmitch, ooooh, wondered because I've seen a few packages without this versioning | 10:11 |
| ajmitch | because they're unmodifed from debian | 10:11 |
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| luisbg | ajmitch, ok cool | 10:18 |
| imbrandon | hrm who is the copyright holder for the software hosted on gnu.org , the FSF ? or the upstream authors | 10:24 |
| imbrandon | ( thinking about gnash ) | 10:24 |
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| ajmitch | whatever the copyright says | 10:26 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: the authors listed here: http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewcvs/gnash/AUTHORS?rev=1.2.2.1&root=gnash&view=markup | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | yea i have the authors but not sure whom to list as the copyright holder in the debian/copyright | 10:30 |
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| ajmitch | imbrandon: look at the source licensing headers | 10:30 |
| imbrandon | it lists the FSF , so i guess thats it | 10:34 |
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| imbrandon | crimsun, you said libmad0-dev is likely not to stay in main for feisty possibly? should i not link against it ? | 10:41 |
| imbrandon | err s/-dev// | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: are you doing backports already? | 10:43 |
| imbrandon | amarok 1.4.4 , yea | 10:43 |
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| crimsun | imbrandon: no, I said I'd be pleased if it didn't remain in main | 10:45 |
| crimsun | (it and xmms) | 10:45 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, ahh ok, hrm well i'm at the point now i'm ready to upload gnash to REVU for some crituque before feisty opens , but the only "questionable" thing i can see is it ( optionaly ) uses libmad0 for mp3 stuff | 10:46 |
| crimsun | gnash would be universe, no? | 10:46 |
| imbrandon | to begin with, but i could see it easly goto main if it matures a bit | 10:47 |
| crimsun | if it remains in universe, I see no reason not to link against libmad | 10:47 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: gtk+ 1.2 should be dropped from main | 10:47 |
| imbrandon | yea i guess that could always be removed later ( as its a ./configure option ) | 10:48 |
| crimsun | oh happy day when that happens | 10:48 |
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| crimsun | xmms. | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | I don't know the justification of xmms remaining in man | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | s/man/main/ | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | laggy ssh today :) | 10:49 |
| Burgwork | ajmitch: likely canonical staff | 10:49 |
| TheMuso | Righ | 10:49 |
| TheMuso | right | 10:49 |
| Burgwork | seems everybody is having issues with typing today | 10:50 |
| TheMuso | Rhythmbox is better than xmms IMO. | 10:50 |
| Burgwork | yes, yes it is | 10:50 |
| Burgwork | but there are oldschool people hooked on xmms | 10:50 |
| ajmitch | Burgwork: git is taking much of my bandwidth getting the latest feisty kernel code | 10:50 |
| imbrandon | yea but old school can enable universe hehe | 10:52 |
| Burgwork | yes, yes they can | 10:52 |
| imbrandon | but it is the only thing that plays mp3s OOTB i guess in main | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | I used to be hooked on xmms as well | 10:52 |
| Burgwork | welcome to "I work for a Linux distro company" | 10:52 |
| bhale | it might end up being orphaned | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | until I realised that it's crap | 10:53 |
| Burgwork | therefor I get my crap in main | 10:53 |
| imbrandon | heh i uesd xmms untill i learned about amarok :) | 10:53 |
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| bhale | Burgwork: eh i have had people buy into putting stuff in main w/o much question as well | 10:54 |
| crimsun | gst-launch-0.10 all the way. | 10:54 |
| LaserJock | I just don't listen to music | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I can't go without it | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | it just distracts me from my raging Ubuntu-holic MOTU behaviors | 10:56 |
| crimsun | yeah, us lowly mortals have to have some distractions | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | haha | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | it helps lift me to even higher levels of hacking :) | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | well, I listen to some music | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | so that one day, I can hope to be as great as LaserJock :) | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | but I have pretty much stopped watching TV and playing games because of Ubuntu | 10:57 |
| Burgwork | so have I | 10:57 |
| === LaserJock fires up rhythmbox | ||
| LaserJock | I think I have some music on this thing | 10:58 |
| joejaxx | i have not used rhythmbox before | 10:58 |
| ajmitch | but music while hacking is essential | 10:58 |
| === ajmitch listens to a fairly broad range | ||
| _MMA_ | Laserjock: Have you tried "Listen"? | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: what kind of music do you listen to while hacking, everything? | 10:58 |
| Burgwork | _MMA_: that bastard child of rb and muine? | 10:58 |
| _MMA_ | Yea. :) | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | most of my stuff is rock/alternative | 10:58 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: classic rock, classical, gregorian chant, you name it :) | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | maybe I need to go classical for hacking | 10:59 |
| _MMA_ | http://listengnome.free.fr/ | 10:59 |
| ajmitch | nothing better than banging out some code while listening to Bach :) | 10:59 |
| Burgwork | you can also write marketing and docs well to bach or gregorian chant | 11:00 |
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| crimsun | I tried Banshee yesterday; I like it | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | oh, I do have a Norah Jones cd on here | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | that's about as low key as I've got | 11:01 |
| ajmitch | I need to get something portable that I can take to work | 11:01 |
| ajmitch | something that'll play the many .ogg files I have | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | my grandpa was offering to give me a ipod nano loaded with old gospel tunes he likes | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if I should take him on on that | 11:01 |
| crimsun | definitely. Then install rockbox or whatnot on it. | 11:02 |
| Burgwork | crimsun: try changing your username to jono and run banshee | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: what? | 11:02 |
| === TheMuso listens to music on and off. The problem is that it interfears with listening to my speech synth. | ||
| Burgwork | abock wrtoe some special jono-only code | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | haha | 11:02 |
| ajmitch | Burgwork: why does that not surprise me? | 11:02 |
| ajmitch | what sort of special code is it? | 11:03 |
| Burgwork | something todo with sharing | 11:03 |
| poningru | wtf | 11:03 |
| Burgwork | I don't think anybody named jono can connect to other peoples shared music | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | heh | 11:03 |
| Burgwork | I can see the bug reports on that one | 11:04 |
| ajmitch | how cruel | 11:04 |
| ajmitch | slomo_ will have to deal with those :) | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | we need an Ubuntu patch to give our Community Manager back full functionality ;-) | 11:04 |
| Burgwork | no we don't | 11:04 |
| Burgwork | our community manager is fully function | 11:05 |
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| Burgwork | functional | 11:05 |
| Burgwork | I mean, look at the dog he got ;) | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | doh | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | Burgwork: that's a dog? :) | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | yeah, my wife loved that puppy | 11:05 |
| === ajmitch watches firefox spin out of control | ||
| Burgwork | finding ephy has been freezing at least once every two hours for me | 11:06 |
| ajmitch | this was due to a google maps thing on a page | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | yikes | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | it slows everything down | 11:07 |
| poningru | ajmitch: try getting rid of their cookies | 11:07 |
| poningru | and there are few js stuff you should disable but that doesnt allow the newer maps features to function | 11:08 |
| === ajmitch might get an old ipod or something | ||
| _MMA_ | ajmitch: My iRiver has been great and Cowon makes a good player. | 11:11 |
| slomo_ | Burgwork: oh i thought abock removed that part again | 11:12 |
| slomo_ | Burgwork: apperantly not... will be fixed with next upload ;) | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | yikes | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | I obviously haven't listened to music enough | 11:15 |
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| LaserJock | I can't figure out how to do much of anything cool with banshee | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | I got all my music imported | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | at least | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | I guess I need to make some playlists | 11:16 |
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| Burgwork | slomo_: don't fix it | 11:28 |
| Burgwork | slomo_: according to abock at Boston it was still there | 11:29 |
| LaserJock | what the heck | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | MOTU Science got an email from the gpredict maintainer asking us to sync edgy | 11:34 |
| LaserJock | "the gpredict version living in ubuntu is way out of date." | 11:34 |
| LaserJock | well so I finally had a look at what package we had and what Debian had | 11:34 |
| ajmitch | I love how these things come up *after* release | 11:35 |
| LaserJock | and Edgy's version was uploaded to Debian on 2006-07-01 | 11:35 |
| LaserJock | and he uploaded the new version on 2006-9-12 | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | Burgwork: you'll love this.. | 11:36 |
| ajmitch | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1689401#post1689401 | 11:36 |
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| Admiral_Chicago | i've got a user who suggests kpowersaver be moved from the universe to defaiult repos | 11:38 |
| Admiral_Chicago | anyone know why it's in univer | 11:38 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: haha | 11:39 |
| bhale | everything is in universe until someone determines otherwise | 11:39 |
| Burgwork | ajmitch: saw that | 11:39 |
| === Werdna invades. | ||
| Admiral_Chicago | bhale: ah i see | 11:40 |
| imbrandon | wow made my 3rd post on the forums | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | Burgwork: yes, just shows the detachment of the forums from the rest of the Ubuntu world | 11:40 |
| Burgwork | yep | 11:40 |
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| luisbg | imbrandon, url? | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I've got 66 beans ;-) | 11:41 |
| luisbg | hey LaserJock =) | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | hi luisbg | 11:41 |
| luisbg | when is mark giving that interview at bbc? | 11:41 |
| imbrandon | well considering my other 2 posts were 8 or 9 months ago heh | 11:41 |
| imbrandon | luisbg, afaik he already has | 11:42 |
| luisbg | imbrandon, is there any digital copy in the intraweb? | 11:42 |
| imbrandon | yea , i forgot the url, lemme look, i thought it was on the fridge | 11:42 |
| imbrandon | lemme check | 11:42 |
| Admiral_Chicago | imbrandon: i never go on the forums | 11:43 |
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| imbrandon | luisbg, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6080048.stm | 11:43 |
| tenshu | hi all | 11:43 |
| luisbg | imbrandon, you are a fast googler | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | heh | 11:44 |
| tenshu | i'm getting a weird error with pbuilder, could someone help me with my first package? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1690387 | 11:44 |
| imbrandon | tenshu, have you read the package guide, and whats the error | 11:44 |
| tenshu | i'm getting a "install: cannot create regular file `/tmp/buildd/ciso-1.0.0/debian/ciso/usr/bin': No such file or directory" error | 11:45 |
| imbrandon | a forum url does me no good :) | 11:45 |
| LaserJock | shesh | 11:45 |
| tenshu | i read the manual on ubuntu-fr.org | 11:45 |
| imbrandon | did you create the dir ? | 11:45 |
| === ajmitch gets annoyed with these demanding people on the forums, who say that "the devs *must* do this for feisty" | ||
| _MMA_ | luicbg: Heres a audio copy of the interview: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/downloadtrial/worldservice/digitalplanet/digitalplanet_20061023-1700_40_st.mp3 | 11:45 |
| imbrandon | in the debian/dirs file or in the makefile ? | 11:45 |
| imbrandon | err rules file | 11:45 |
| tenshu | imbrandon: should i create one through the app makefile (sorry i'm quite confused) | 11:46 |
| imbrandon | no ignore i said makefile, my head was elsewhere, but you need to make it in the rules or debian/dirs | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | tenshu: if the app's makefile doesn't you can do it in debian/dirs | 11:46 |
| imbrandon | if you are trying to install files there | 11:46 |
| === ajmitch should stop reading now | ||
| tenshu | i have this in rules "$(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/ciso" | 11:47 |
| luisbg | imbrandon, why are there so many references to microsoft in the article about mark? especially the last two paragraphs | 11:47 |
| LaserJock | tenshu: do you have a debian/dirs file? | 11:47 |
| tenshu | yes | 11:47 |
| imbrandon | tenshu, i dident write it bro :) | 11:47 |
| imbrandon | err luisbg | 11:47 |
| LaserJock | tenshu: what's in it? | 11:47 |
| tenshu | changelog, compat, control, copyright and rules =) | 11:48 |
| imbrandon | then no dirs file | 11:48 |
| tenshu | nope | 11:48 |
| LaserJock | tenshu: no, I was asking if there was a file called dirs in debian/ | 11:48 |
| tenshu | nope | 11:48 |
| LaserJock | tenshu: make one and put usr/bin in it | 11:49 |
| tenshu | okai | 11:49 |
| LaserJock | maybe that should be user/bin/ | 11:49 |
| tenshu | should i do it manually or through the rules file? | 11:49 |
| LaserJock | just make a file called dirs in debian/ | 11:49 |
| tenshu | okay | 11:49 |
| tenshu | am i supposed to di this every time i package something? | 11:50 |
| imbrandon | for the most part yes, every packages is slightly diffrent though | 11:50 |
| tenshu | ok big thanks to all of you | 11:50 |
| tenshu | =) | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | you're welcome ;-) | 11:51 |
| imbrandon | :) | 11:51 |
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| === imbrandon is listening to Never Been to Spain by Three Dog Night [Amarok] | ||
| LaserJock | good to know | 11:53 |
| imbrandon | wont ya sleep better tonight ? hehe | 11:53 |
| === Werdna watches his dist-upgrade | ||
| imbrandon | Tonio_, connection issues ? | 11:54 |
| === LaserJock unsubscribes from ubuntuu-uk | ||
| imbrandon | heh , why were you subscribed to that list ? | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | well, there was a cool post | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | that I wanted to get in on | 11:55 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | somebody wanted to start a Biobuntu | 11:55 |
| Werdna | imbrandon: what should I package after my dist-upgrade finishes? | 11:55 |
| luisbg | LaserJock, what's the difference between banshee and rythmbox? | 11:55 |
| imbrandon | Werdna, as in , learning to package ? | 11:55 |
| Werdna | yeah | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | luisbg: well, they're different, but similar | 11:55 |
| imbrandon | luisbg, obvious diffrence one is c++ one is c# :) | 11:55 |
| luisbg | LaserJock, let me guess rythmbox is the c# one | 11:56 |
| imbrandon | no | 11:56 |
| TheMuso | Is rhythmbox C++? I thought it was just C. | 11:56 |
| imbrandon | banshee is c# | 11:56 |
| imbrandon | TheMuso, possibly, i combine c/c++ in my head | 11:56 |
| luisbg | rythmbox is a little cpu heavy for what it does | 11:56 |
| TheMuso | That could be gstreamer. | 11:56 |
| Werdna | imbrandon: hmm? | 11:56 |
| TheMuso | Pitty the xine back-end wasn't maintained. | 11:56 |
| imbrandon | for what ? | 11:57 |
| TheMuso | RHythmbox used to have a xine backend. | 11:58 |
| === imbrandon hugs his amarok-xine , but banshee does come a close second imho ( for when i use gnome ) | ||
| TheMuso | Use mpd, and your mind may be changed again. | 11:58 |
| imbrandon | i have a daap server running | 11:59 |
| imbrandon | on the file server that i connect to for music | 11:59 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yeah my internet connections sucks for a few days now....... | 11:59 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon: Right. | 11:59 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I'm getting tired with it | 11:59 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, i bet | 11:59 |
| luisbg | TheMuso, really? | 11:59 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: what do you use for a client | 11:59 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: Mostly mpc. | 12:00 |
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| TheMuso | But sometimes ncmpc, and when in GUI I use pympd. | 12:00 |
| tenshu | Sorry this is me again, i had creted the debian/dirs and adding usr/bin in it but i still have the "install: cannot create regular file `/tmp/buildd/ciso-1.0.0/debian/ciso/usr/bin': No such file or directory" | 12:02 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: I used to use rhythmbox, but since I have several machines on a KVM, if I wanted to change the track, I always had to go back to the machine running rhythmbox to do so. | 12:02 |
| TheMuso | This is where mpd is really handy. | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | the biggest thing I like about mpc is that I can logout and switch DEs and still have my music | 12:02 |
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| === Werdna shouts "WHAT SHOULD I PACKAGE AS A FIRST PACKAGE" | ||
| TheMuso | CLients on all machines means I can change whenever I feel like it, and from the current box that I'm using. | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | Werdna: whatever you want | 12:02 |
| Werdna | LaserJock: I'm after ideas here/ | 12:03 |
| luisbg | TheMuso, that is cool | 12:03 |
| imbrandon | Werdna, shouting will get you ignored more, but do any package you fancy to | 12:03 |
| TheMuso | luisbg: Yeah it is. | 12:03 |
| luisbg | TheMuso, how many machines do you have? | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | Werdna: pick something on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates | 12:03 |
| Werdna | I know, but I was trying to figure out which ones would be easiest | 12:03 |
| TheMuso | luisbg: 5. | 12:03 |
| TheMuso | One alpha, one PPC, and threst x86. | 12:04 |
| LaserJock | Werdna: that's a very tough question to answer | 12:04 |
| luisbg | TheMuso, alpha? why? | 12:04 |
| LaserJock | Werdna: pick one you are interested in try it out | 12:04 |
| TheMuso | luisbg: Because I got it for free, and I like learning about non x86 hardware. | 12:04 |
| luisbg | TheMuso, nice, lucky you to get it for free | 12:04 |
| tenshu | no idea guys? | 12:04 |
| TheMuso | luisbg: Yeah. | 12:05 |
| TheMuso | Its an old Alphastation 500. | 12:05 |
| luisbg | nice | 12:05 |
| TheMuso | And is singlehandedly the loudest machine I have. | 12:06 |
| luisbg | lol | 12:06 |
| luisbg | and why 3 x86's? | 12:06 |
| luisbg | isn't one enough? | 12:06 |
| TheMuso | One dual celeron, one Pentium M notebook, and one P4. | 12:06 |
| LaserJock | tenshu: pastebin your debian/rules file | 12:06 |
| imbrandon | tenshu, add "mkdir -p $(CURDIR)/debian/ciso/usr/lib" in the rules above the make install | 12:06 |
| LaserJock | !pastebin > tenshu | 12:07 |
| luisbg | TheMuso, why don't you retire the p4? | 12:07 |
| LaserJock | retire? | 12:07 |
| imbrandon | retire a p4 ? | 12:07 |
| TheMuso | Because I currently haven't got the cash to upgrade it yet, and it still works fine for my needs. | 12:07 |
| TheMuso | But I have a family member who will receive it once I move on. | 12:08 |
| === imbrandon still has a celeron 333mhz with 96mb ram in good use | ||
| luisbg | or why did you got the dual celeron having a p4? | 12:08 |
| tenshu | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29462/ | 12:08 |
| TheMuso | As I would like a dual core machine at some point. | 12:08 |
| TheMuso | luisbg: I wanted a dual CPU machine. | 12:08 |
| TheMuso | luisbg: There are people out there who have much more hardware than I ever will have. | 12:08 |
| luisbg | TheMuso, I know | 12:09 |
| TheMuso | But having lots of machines allows you to spread tasks between them very efficiently. | 12:09 |
| TheMuso | Even if some of them are quite slow. | 12:09 |
| luisbg | TheMuso, do you really have that much tasks? | 12:09 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon: Mine is a dual celeron 466 on an Abit BP6 mobo. | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | tenshu: and how are you building the source package? | 12:09 |
| imbrandon | :) | 12:09 |
| TheMuso | luisbg: SOmetimes. | 12:09 |
| _MMA_ | Speaking of hardware. Laserjock. Did you have a chat with the System76 guys? | 12:09 |
| luisbg | I used to have a few old machines running all time, until I realized it wasn't worth it | 12:09 |
| imbrandon | luisbg, yes , many of us have that many tasks and more | 12:09 |
| tenshu | debuild -S -sa | 12:10 |
| luisbg | imbrandon, like what? | 12:10 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: not yet, we're still getting our stuff together :/ | 12:10 |
| _MMA_ | Ahh... | 12:10 |
| _MMA_ | Hopefully they make it to UDS/MV. | 12:10 |
| TheMuso | luisbg: For example, when ripping a lot of CDs, I rip four CDs at once on four machines. | 12:10 |
| luisbg | TheMuso, LOL | 12:11 |
| TheMuso | Very quick and efficient overall. | 12:11 |
| _MMA_ | Laserjock: They mentioned going. | 12:11 |
| TheMuso | And store them on one machine via NFS. | 12:11 |
| luisbg | I just think sometimes it is useful in such puntual moments, in general it might not | 12:11 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock: system76 going to be offering the MOTUs some buildds? | 12:11 |
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