[12:18] <pips1> brb
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[02:25] <sbalneav> Evening all
[02:26] <pygi> hey ho sbalneav 
[02:26] <sbalneav> Heya!
[02:27] <pygi> how are you today? :)
[02:27] <sbalneav> Doin' ok
[02:27] <pygi> glad to hear
[02:27] <sbalneav> Just got about 15 cm of snow here.
[02:27] <pygi> :P
[02:28] <pygi> sbalneav: I wouldn't saw if it was snowing even if the snow would cover me :P
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[06:52] <^Ghost2U> anyone gotten dvd playback on "thin" client to work???
=== ^Ghost2U is trying, it works fine for user at server, but not at client
=== ^Ghost2U has "fat" thin client
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[07:23] <deepz> guys can enybody tell me where will i find a list of supported languages by edubuntu 
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[08:40] <LaserJock> :(
[08:54] <highvoltage> sinus problems--
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[09:25] <JonathanFerguson> Just Installed Edubuntu Workstation 6.06.1 - Only Wireless no worky, eventhough it was found during Install.  Point me to the right Wiki Page.
[09:29] <highvoltage> JonathanFerguson: what wireless card do you have?
[09:30] <jsgotangco> yohoho and a bottle of rhum
[09:30] <highvoltage> good morning jsgotangco 
[09:31] <highvoltage> JonathanFerguson: this may be of help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[09:35] <JonathanFerguson> When I 'lspci -v | less' I couldn't see anything that could be the Wireless, the sole brand name was Silicon Integrated Systems - I saw this name during install, the other name was Broadcom.
[09:37] <Burgundavia> broadcom is the chiptset
[09:37] <Burgundavia> !broadcom
[09:37] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
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=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | edgy (6.10) is released ! grab it while its hot ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edgy/ | Upgraders see: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes
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[11:44] <pips1> hello edubuntugirl
[11:44] <edubuntugirl> hi, pips1!
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[11:50] <pips1> very interesting interview with sabdfl on news.com
[11:51] <cbx33> pips1: got a link?
[11:51] <pips1> http://news.com.com/A+Linux+start-up+on+the+path+to+profits/2008-1012_3-6130484.html?tag=st.prev
[11:52] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:53] <cbx33> hanks pips1 
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[12:34] <jsgotangco> hello RichEd
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[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all
[12:41] <ulinskie> hello Kamping_Kaiser
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[12:42] <jsgotangco> i just discovered today my edubuntu.org forwarder works
[12:43] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: I think it's been working for some months now :)
[12:44] <jsgotangco> heh i should use it, it has more omphhh factor
[12:44] <jsgotangco> ubuntu.com bah everyone has it already
[12:46] <highvoltage> and there's just like.. 7 people with edubuntu ones :)
[12:46] <jsgotangco> wohooo
[12:46] <highvoltage> strange, I can't recall seeing anyone using a kubuntu or xubuntu.org email address before
[12:46] <jsgotangco> imbrandon uses kubuntu.org
[12:46] <juliux> hi RichEd 
[12:48] <juliux> jsgotangco, i only use me @ubuntu-de.org e-mail adress
[12:48] <juliux> i only tested once ubuntu.com and edubuntu.org
[12:49] <jsgotangco> i haven't set forwarding for our loco domain yet
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[12:58] <dim> hi guys
[12:58] <dim> http://www.ikarios.com/p377-Edubuntu.html
[12:58] <dim> for an i386, should i choose desktop or install CD ?
[12:58] <dim> is there any LiveCD i could buy ?
[01:00] <highvoltage> desktop is live cd + graphical installer
[01:01] <highvoltage> install cd is the text mode + upgrade cd
[01:01] <dim> oh, perfect, thx
[01:01] <dim> so I need the desktop one
[01:01] <dim> i want to buy it in order to get descent packaging, some  product  image
[01:02] <dim> then i offer it to friends having children :)
[01:03] <highvoltage> great :)
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[01:13] <ogra> dont forget the install CD has the ltsp server bits, the desktop CD hasnt 
[01:13] <dim> ltsp?
[01:13] <ogra> (thats why we'll rename4 them to desktop and server CD)
[01:13] <ogra> (in feisty)
[01:14] <ogra> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome
[01:15] <dim> ok, thin clients... i don't need this, it's about transforming windows workstations into kids playground
[01:16] <dim> thx for the information anyway :)
[01:21] <jsgotangco> ogra: bah im oldskool
[01:21] <ogra> oldskool ? 
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[01:22] <jsgotangco> what is ltsp anyways, a server or a desktop or both? heh
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[01:23] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: well, the clients are X servers, and the server is the host...
[01:23] <highvoltage> :p
[01:23] <jsgotangco> ok how does it apply in a support sense for dapper?
[01:24] <dim> ltsp sounds damn useful if you have several old machines and are able to buy one correct server
[01:24] <sorush20> is there a really comprehensive graph drawing program better than openoffice.org spread sheet.. I want to be able add my data to draw the graph.
[01:24] <dim> i wouldn't be surprise it's the case in more than one school
[01:24] <highvoltage> well, the services such as dhcp server, nfs, etc are server software, so they should be supported for 5 years, but if you upgrade your desktop you should update your ltsp too.
[01:25] <highvoltage> so I would think that ltsp also has just 3 year support cycle.
[01:25] <dim> sorush20: try koffice ?
[01:25] <highvoltage> dim: it is for sure
[01:25] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: yeah imagine ogra fixing it till 2011
[01:26] <highvoltage> I'm sure there'll be new features even then.
[01:26] <highvoltage> fancy clustering, shared processor, shared memory over network... geez... lots of things :)
[01:26] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: backports?
[01:27] <highvoltage> possible, although new features are likely to become more and more complicated, and so more complicated to backport.
[01:28] <jsgotangco> i would think so too, well in 3 years i dont think people will actually install dapper on ltsp
[01:28] <ogra> jsgotangco, edubuntu server is supported for 3 years as a whole (since ltsp requires a desktop) and the single server bits are supported for 5 years as highvoltage said
[01:28] <highvoltage> I agree with you jsgotangco 
[01:28] <jsgotangco> gnome 2.14 would look sooo old by then
[01:29] <ogra> only for you :P
[01:29] <ogra> for debian users it might still be the latest :P
[01:29] <highvoltage> for debian it will still look current :) </bad joke, I know>
[01:29] <ogra> yeah
[01:29] <highvoltage> ogra: snap :)
[01:30] <highvoltage> perhaps by then debian will be up to yearly release cycles
[01:30] <cbx33> hey everybody
[01:30] <highvoltage> or they'll be based on ubuntu :)
[01:30] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[01:31] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: they will kill you
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[01:31] <highvoltage> I'll have to find a good spot to hide
[01:31] <highvoltage> although, tonight I'm giving my talk on ubuntu and its derivitaves so I hope they don't catch me there.
[01:31] <cbx33> don;t suppose anyone here knows abotu the dest functions for gtk widgets?
[01:31] <highvoltage> abotu!
[01:32] <ogra> dest ?
[01:32] <cbx33> the dragging destination functions
[01:32] <highvoltage> dyslexia FWT
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[01:34] <cbx33> stuff to do with this http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/gtk-constants.html#gtk-dest-defaults-constants
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[01:39] <cbx33> I know what I'm doing generally....just having trouble getting the data out of the transfer...
[01:39] <cbx33> supposed to use...   .get_data()
[01:39] <cbx33> but I don;t know the key that I need to supply
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[01:40] <^Ghost2U> has anyone gotten dvd playback on "thin" client to work???
[01:41] <^Ghost2U> is it possible?
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> maybe on edgy. 
[01:47] <highvoltage> ^Ghost2U: you might be able to play it in a small window on one thin client, while the disc is in the server, but local dvd playback is dependent on local apps, for which there is a possibility for the next edubuntu version
[01:47] <^Ghost2U> Kamping_Kaiser: I tried, but totem-xine says it cannot -- already installed codecs, so it works on server
[01:48] <ogra> it wont work
[01:48] <ogra> i dont know a player that doesnt access /dev/dvd for dvd playback ...
[01:48] <highvoltage> geez. warty screenshots these days are hard to find (can't find any with the naked people on)
[01:48] <ogra> you wont be able to access that from the server to the client ...
[01:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> highvoltage, you dont get screenshots of that - only photos
[01:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> the installed artwork was peopless afaik
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[01:49] <highvoltage> Kamping_Kaiser: heh
[01:49] <ogra> apt-get install ubuntu-calendar-* ??
[01:49] <ogra> its still in the archive if i see it correctly
[01:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have the cds, i didnt keep the apt repo ;O
[01:50] <highvoltage> warty is older than ubuntu-calendar, I'm not sure if it willbe in there, but I'll check
[01:50] <jsgotangco> yes give them nekkid art to kiddies
[01:51] <ogra> highvoltage, warty isnt older ..
[01:51] <ogra> the calendar packages were there since the RC iso ...
[01:52] <highvoltage> aaah
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> *grin*
[01:53] <jsgotangco> ogra: how does it feel when booting up warty again
[01:55] <ogra> jsgotangco, dunno, i havent booted my warty laptop  since i moved
[01:55] <^Ghost2U> ogra: here's the layout-- thin client PC: DVDRW and CDRW, no HDD. server: DVDRW and HDD. client no longer sees local dvd
[01:55] <ogra> it still sits in its box :)
[01:56] <ogra> ^Ghost2U, as i said, you dont have access to /dev/dvd on the client from a session ...
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[01:57] <^Ghost2U> ogra: ok.. i guess what I need is a "localized" /dev/dvd for the client... is that where you're going?
[01:58] <cbx33> sorry I got dc'd
[01:58] <cbx33> and I had tonnes of lag
[01:58] <cbx33> any thoughts on my prolbem
[01:58] <ogra> ^Ghost2U, the desktop session needs full access to the clients /dev/dvd ... 
[01:58] <ogra> which you simply dont have 
[01:59] <^Ghost2U> hmmm ... I got you. pity
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[02:01] <^Ghost2U> bbiaf... power outage :P
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[02:09] <cberlo> Hi folks.
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> hiu
[02:11] <willvdl> Kamping_Kaiser, doubt it. Would hate to think that it actually is :|
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> willvdl, i dont like the thought either, but i am applying for a job, so i'm kinda tentitive to put it in :|
[02:12] <willvdl> try open learning platforms...
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm... nice.
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you want atribution for that? :P
[02:13] <willvdl> hmmm, tempting
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> *grin*
[02:27] <kenkarniff> pips1: i discovered a workaround on my keymap problems yesterday. apparently, the finnish and swedish keymap is identical. so i tried XKBLAYOUT="fi" in my lst.conf and it worked! somehow "se" is missing or corrupted...
[02:27] <kenkarniff> now into the next thing... sounds! :/
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[02:29] <pips1> kenkarniff: thanks for the info, I have my Swiss-German keyboard layout working :)
[02:30] <pips1> I have 
[02:30] <pips1> XKBRULES=xorg
[02:30] <pips1> XKBMODEL=pc105
[02:30] <pips1> XKBLAYOUT=ch
[02:30] <pips1> XKBVARIANT=de
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[02:32] <lguerra> hi all
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[02:33] <willvdl> highvoltage, it has holes in it
[02:33] <highvoltage> ah, of course
[02:33] <highvoltage> and a tap at the side? ;)
[02:34] <highvoltage> (for the beer)
[02:34] <highvoltage> sorry that was a bit cheesy.
[02:38] <pips1> hehe
[02:39] <willvdl> uhuh
[02:39] <willvdl> you're punny
[02:43] <jsgotangco> hahaha
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[03:17] <highvoltage> good mornin' mdz
[03:18] <mdz> morning
[03:18] <jsgotangco> oh hi
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[03:36] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:37] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: uncle
[03:37] <jsgotangco> !
[03:37] <jsgotangco> :D
[03:38] <sbalneav> Morning jsgotangco
[03:38] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: seen ogra
[03:38] <edubuntugirl> ogra was last seen on #edubuntu 1 hours, 39 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: which you simply dont have  [Tue Oct 31 14:58:27 2006] 
[03:38] <sbalneav> ogra: Hey dude, got time for a quick gnome question?
[03:39] <sbalneav> I'm going to be re-doing ALL my servers here shortly
[03:39] <sbalneav> ubuntu + ltsp5
[03:39] <jsgotangco> nice
[03:39] <highvoltage> sbalneav: good luck! (meaning it in a good way)
[03:39] <sbalneav> I don't want to have to go all the way with sabayon
[03:40] <sbalneav> but I do want to make 2 minor changes to the top gnome panel
[03:40] <sbalneav> i.e. change a couple icon, and add a couple.
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[03:43] <sbalneav> Wondering how I'd do that.  I'm suspecting some gconf2 magic.
[03:43] <sbalneav> I guess what I'd like is to make it part of the default template.
[03:44] <sbalneav> That way, when users log in for the first time, they'll just "get it", and if they fudge something up with their install, then I just blow away .gnome2 and they're back to normal.
[03:44] <cbx33> sbalneav: hehe I'm just messing around creating some gnome applets ;)
[03:44] <bddebian> Heya
[03:45] <sbalneav> morning cbx33 bddebian
[03:45] <bddebian> Heya sbalneav
[03:54] <juliux> highvoltage, http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig here is still a bug, the path in the screenshot is wrong
[03:55] <highvoltage> eek, you told me about that before
[03:55] <juliux> highvoltage, yes
[03:56] <juliux> highvoltage, and it shoud be gksudo and not ksudo ;)
[03:58] <cbx33> hey sbalneav 
[03:59] <highvoltage> juliux: refresh :)
[03:59] <juliux> highvoltage, thxs
[03:59] <juliux> highvoltage, i just created als a new screenshot;)
[03:59] <highvoltage> juliux: np, I had the screenshot altered a while ago, but there was a period where I didn't have edit right, and forgot about it
[04:00] <juliux> highvoltage, ah ok
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[04:13] <juliux> ogra, the rangee thinclients are working with edgy;) they need an lts.conf entry about X_HORZSYNC andX_VERTREFRESH 
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[04:34] <ogra> juliux, ah, cool, mind to wiki that ?
[04:34] <juliux> ogra, is there a special wiki page?
[04:34] <ogra> nope
[04:34] <ogra> not yet
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[04:35] <juliux> ogra, i only add X_HORZSYNC and  X_VERTREFRESH to the lts.conf
[04:35] <ogra> well, that should work automatically ... what kind ofg monitor is that ?
[04:35] <juliux> it is a benq fp72e tft
[04:36] <ogra> hmm, that should work with ddcprobe
[04:36] <juliux> but it doesnt
[04:36] <juliux> not with the rangee one
[04:37] <juliux> they worked with dapper;)
[04:38] <ogra> right, sounds like a regression
[04:38] <sbalneav> Morning ogra
[04:41] <sbalneav> Man, I REALLY gotta get better at configuring gnome, seeing as how I'm going to be changing my entire organization over to it in a month :)
[04:42] <highvoltage> sbalneav: what's wrong with your gnome configuration?
[04:42] <sbalneav> heh
[04:42] <sbalneav> nothing too much
[04:42] <sbalneav> but...
[04:43] <sbalneav> 1) I need to replace Firefox with Mozilla (don't ask me why long, boring and annoying story)
[04:43] <highvoltage> sbalneav: not that I want to preach xfce to you, but have you taken a look at xubuntu's desktop before?
[04:43] <ogra> lets look into that on thursday ... i'm pretty busy packing my bags here 
[04:43] <sbalneav> Oh, no rush ogra, I'm just venting
[04:43] <highvoltage> I suppose you have big fat servers that can run gnome fine.
[04:43] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: 1) looks really ugly
[04:43] <ogra> mozilla shouldnt be a prob
[04:43] <sbalneav> pack away.  I'm going to bring a thin client + flatscreen with me.
[04:44] <ogra> but dont forget we dont support it 
[04:44] <sbalneav> 2) install OpenOffice.org 1.1.3 (not ready to convert yet), and change the mime types to point to the old one (not that hard, I don't think).
[04:44] <ogra> so securtity fixes etc might be a matter of luck
[04:44] <ogra> same for oo.o 1.3 ....
[04:44] <sbalneav> Yeah, it's this stupid app we've paid someone to write.
[04:45] <highvoltage> eesh... OOo 1.1.3 is s toughie. won't they accept a newer 1.1 branch? I think it goes up to 1.1.6?
[04:45] <sbalneav> I'm not sure how you manage it, but they've written an app that works under mozilla 1.7, but breaks on firefox.
[04:45] <ogra> ugh
[04:45] <highvoltage> aah
[04:45] <sbalneav> Don't EVEN GET ME STARTED!!! it's a sore spot right now :)(
[04:46] <highvoltage> sbalneav: nice double-chin
[04:46] <jsgotangco> wahaha
[04:46] <sbalneav> highvoltage: :)
[04:46] <sbalneav> Fat finger disease
[04:46] <sbalneav> We'll move to 2.0 OO.o later this year, however, for the rollout, we'll stick with 1.1.3.
[04:46] <juliux> ogra, that is how it looks with out the options http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntu.jpg
[04:47] <highvoltage> ok, I'm going to UCT now to give my talk. i feel very nervous, don't know why though :)
[04:47] <highvoltage> see you all again later...
[04:47] <sbalneav> it's just a few minor changes.  So I'm just working through those.
[04:47] <sbalneav> Good luck!
[04:47] <sbalneav> Break a leg
[04:47] <jsgotangco> im gonna sleep
[04:47] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: good luck!
[04:47] <highvoltage> thanks sbalneav and jsgotangco 
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[04:51] <ogra> juliux, right, thats a wrong resolution ...
[04:52] <juliux> ogra, my tft can up to 1280x768,
[04:53] <juliux> ogra, but i think the grafikchip can only 1024x768
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[04:58] <cberlo> sbalneav: Hey, you there?  Got a quick question about the idea of mounting all users into one directory and sorting things out from there....  :)  If I could achieve this, how do I do the permissions right so any teacher can't mess with another teacher's files, etc.?
[05:02] <cberlo> Okay, so... anyone else around that might be able to give me some pointers?  I want to mount all Windows users' home directories under one share, them give each user access to their own files just by providing links in their Linux home directory.  Problem I'm encountering so far is that any teacher can access another teacher's files; any student can access any student's files, etc.
[05:03] <juliux> highvoltage, did you testet xfce with edubuntu?
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[05:20] <ogra> cberlo, have a look at /etc/login.defs (look for UMASK)
[05:20] <ogra> meh, he's gone
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[09:12] <nixternal> holy cow, 6am meeting tomorrow
[09:14] <highvoltage> nixternal: which meeting is that? kubuntu?
[09:14] <LaserJock> hmm, that means 4am for me
[09:14] <nixternal> edubuntu
[09:14] <LaserJock> Edubuntu, shesh
[09:14] <nixternal> i will be sleeping
[09:14] <nixternal> sawing logs
[09:14] <highvoltage> ok. that's like 2pm for me :)
[09:14] <nixternal> heh
[09:14] <highvoltage> someone whould write up a time machine spec
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[09:15] <nixternal> lol
[09:15] <highvoltage> LaserJock: it's only like, 10 pages right?
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[09:15] <nixternal> gahahahhaa
[09:15] <nixternal> i think sbalneav and his LTSP portion is larger than 10 pages
[09:17] <stelis> I'm going to fatten it up some
[09:18] <highvoltage> I think the LTSP portion is the best part atm.
[09:18] <stelis> I was going to ask: what should the "Look and Feel" section cover
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[09:25] <highvoltage> goodnight everyone!
[09:25] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: goodnight!
[09:25] <edubuntugirl> goodnight, highvoltage. I'll keep an eye out for the MS spies while you sleep.
[09:25] <highvoltage> I think that's a good idea. I cracked a joke at MCSE's in my talk tonight.
[09:25] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: I see one!
[09:26] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: excuse me?
[09:26] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: over there!
[09:26] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: excuse me?
[09:26] <LaserJock> oh wait
[09:26] <LaserJock> that's just nixternal 
[09:26] <highvoltage> btw, here's some slides from my talk:
[09:26] <highvoltage> http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/clug%20talk%20-%20ubuntu%20and%20its%20derivatives.pdf
[09:26] <highvoltage> there's lots of local-specific stuff in there, but I'll clean it up as a proper ubuntu presentation for the future :)
[09:29] <nixternal> hey
[09:29] <sbalneav> What MCSE joke did you tell?
[09:29] <nixternal> i dont' work for Microsoft anymore..i quit last year
[09:30] <nixternal> speaking of microsoft, they invited me, and a few others from the Chicago LUG to a free luncheon this week to talk about open source and linux at the McDonalds Headquarters, known to the world as Hamburger U
[09:31] <sbalneav> heh, naked :)
[09:31] <sbalneav> Nice pres, highvoltage
[09:32] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Where'd you get the font?
[09:34] <nixternal> stelis: sorry, just seen your question...Look and Feel, that might be better answered by either HedgeMage or maybe pygi..I don't want to speculate on it, and it be the wrong idea
[09:34] <stelis> nixternal: OK
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[09:35] <stelis> Aha
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[09:36] <stelis> :)
[09:36] <LaserJock> uh oh
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[09:36] <LaserJock> what's up pygi?
[09:36] <pygi> LaserJock: what is it this time? :P
[09:36] <LaserJock> I'm a little concerned about a dancing pygi
[09:36] <pygi> LaserJock: ergh!
[09:37] <LaserJock> I don't want any of my coffee mugs knocked over :-)
[09:37] <pygi> omg dude :)
[09:38] <pygi> LaserJock: don't worry ;)
[09:39] <pygi> LaserJock: libburn can now write -tao ... well, sort of at least ^_^
[09:39] <LaserJock> excellent
[09:41] <pygi> oki, gotta dc now :P
[09:44] <pygi> ok, not really :P
[09:45] <stelis> pygi: I was going to do a bit more on the Handbook
[09:45] <pygi> stelis: what is stopping you? :)
[09:45] <stelis> But wasn't sure what you wanted in the "Look and Feel" section
[09:46] <pygi> oh, how to customize look, etc
[09:46] <stelis> Changing the GNOME theme and stuff?
[09:46] <pygi> yup
[09:47] <stelis> Hmm
[09:48] <stelis> I guess I need to see how to switch the GNOME global defaults
[09:49] <stelis> I was also going to ask was how you format your DocBook?
[09:49] <stelis> PSGML?
[09:49] <pygi> stelis: ping nixternal about you :P
[09:50] <nixternal> xml
[09:50] <pygi> thank you nixternal :)
[09:50] <stelis> I noticed that it was nicely idented...
[09:50] <nixternal> no problemo
[09:50] <stelis> indented, too
[09:50] <nixternal> hehe
[09:51] <stelis> Sorry I meant the PSGML mode for emacs
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[09:51] <stelis> I use nxml-mode
[09:52] <stelis> I don't think that it formats like that
[09:58] <sbalneav> Everyone seems to have a blog.
[09:58] <sbalneav> I don't :(
[09:58] <sbalneav> And I've no clue how to start one.
[09:58] <LaserJock> sbalneav: it's easy!
[09:58] <stelis> sbalneav: WordPress
[09:59] <LaserJock> even a loser physical chemist like myself can do it ;-)
[09:59] <sbalneav> apt-cache search wordpress
[10:00] <sbalneav> Yeah, but where does one HOST the blog? :)
[10:00] <stelis> If you don't have a server the WordPress do free hosting
[10:00] <sbalneav> Does anyone here do that?
[10:00] <LaserJock> yeah, I did
[10:01] <LaserJock> until I got laserjock.us
[10:01] <LaserJock> it was great
[10:01] <crimsun> sbalneav: I don't.
[10:01] <LaserJock> seems like all the cool people don't have blogs though
[10:01] <crimsun> depends who "cool" are
[10:02] <LaserJock> crimsun: do you have a blog?
[10:02] <crimsun> < crimsun> sbalneav: I don't.
[10:02] <LaserJock> there you go
[10:02] <lotusleaf> oo boon too you love me we're a penguin family!
[10:02] <LaserJock> actually, I kinda like it, although sort of more for personal use
[10:03] <LaserJock> I don't think most people actually care to read what I write
[10:03] <LaserJock> but I just like being able to jot things down
[10:03] <LaserJock> somewhat of a combo between a wiki and a mailing list :-)
[10:04] <stelis> I was amazed to get my first comment about four hours after I wrote after my first post
[10:04] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: most blogs are just useless ramblings of parrot people in a desperate attempt to make themselves heard about mundane things like how they ate macaroni and cheese and what it would be like to eat it on the moon and they're bored, before a generation or two after they expire and it's all forgotten.
[10:04] <stelis> Haven't had any, /since/ mind you
[10:05] <LaserJock> lotusleaf: but the useful ones do seem useful
[10:05] <lotusleaf> bloggers: because doing something to improve the world is hard, so I want to talk about how I'm wasting time
[10:05] <LaserJock> I've gotten a lot of cool info from developer blogs
[10:05] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: oh, I agree
[10:05] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: but those are a handful in a world of sand
[10:05] <LaserJock> sure
[10:05] <LaserJock> that's why I also like planets
[10:05] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: yeah there's some rather nice ones
[10:05] <lotusleaf> why, like planet ubuntu ;)
[10:06] <LaserJock> so you aren't just searching in a sea of blogs
[10:06] <LaserJock> they are more "themed"
[10:06] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: indeed!
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[10:06] <lotusleaf> whiprush: does Ars have any planet blogs?
[10:06] <LaserJock> so most days I pop by planets for Ubuntu, Debian, Gnome, and KDE
[10:07] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: planet suse is cool too ;)
[10:07] <LaserJock> I checked out fedora's and it seem fine, I just don't have much interest there
[10:08] <lotusleaf> I don't really keep up with RPM based distros anymore
[10:08] <LaserJock> me neither
[10:08] <lotusleaf> Ever since warty it's been <3 ubuntu
[10:09] <whiprush> lotusleaf: there's a planet.arslinux.com, that's about it.
[10:09] <lotusleaf> anyone else handing out Edubuntu CDs for Halloween?
[10:09] <lotusleaf> whiprush: yeah? cool thx
[10:09] <lotusleaf> whiprush: how is the Ars linux wiki going
[10:09] <whiprush> it's back up actually
[10:09] <lotusleaf> whiprush: righteous
[10:09] <whiprush> it was down for like months, heh.
[10:09] <lotusleaf> whiprush: I've been on Ars since 2001 or 2002, it's one of the best forums on the net IMO
[10:11] <lotusleaf> whiprush: yeah the last message I saw was that it was down, cool to hear that it's back up
[10:11] <whiprush> yeah, the linux forums are kind of dying 
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[10:12] <lotusleaf> whiprush: no chance of it going subscribe only though, so that's one pro :)
[10:13] <whiprush> heh
[10:13] <lotusleaf> whiprush: it sucked when the soapbox went subscription only, oh well this is offtopic ;P
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[11:14] <LaserJock> ogra: are you up by any chance?
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[11:30] <Joe_SWAU> Hello. :-) I am trying to get a wireless card to connect to my school network.
[11:31] <Joe_SWAU> It supports WEP natively, but I know I can get it to support WPA in windows. Is there any way I can get it to support WPA in Linux?
[11:31] <Joe_SWAU> WPA with AES authentication.
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[11:37] <LaserJock> Joe_SWAU: I'm not sure. I would ask #ubuntu
[11:38] <LaserJock> as there are a lot more people there
[11:45] <Joe_SWAU> Ok, thanks.
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