[12:24] <toma> Tonio___: ?
[12:27] <Tonio___> toma: yes, I know, I have issues with my adsl line......
[12:28] <toma> Tonio___: it seems the split between digikam and showview has some of the same icons in both packages, causing trouble
[12:29] <Tonio___> toma: ah.......
[12:29] <Tonio___> toma: should have a conflict when installing showfoto then ?
[12:29] <Tonio___> let me have a loog
[12:29] <Tonio___> look
[12:29] <toma> Tonio___: yep
[12:29] <Tonio___> toma: seems an icon causes trouble indeed......
[12:30] <toma> Tonio___: there is a br, but i can not find it
[12:30] <Tonio___> I'm fixing this, but it'll have to wait a bit to be opened.....
[12:30] <toma> Tonio___: sure... thnxs!
[12:33] <toma> nite!
[01:26] <ryanakca> how can I completly uninstall kde4 so that I can reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[01:35] <nixternal> hey, anyone hear of art issues causing a pop up to occur and say it is using to many cpu resources or what not?
[01:50] <nixternal> nm, as searching arts in malone lets you know about it
[01:50] <nixternal> boog 68659
[03:01] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee!
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[03:02] <Hawkwind> Hey there Hobbsee
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hi Hawkwind 
[03:03] <Hawkwind> How's life in Aussie land
[03:03] <Jucato> DST'd
[03:03] <Hobbsee> our home internet isnt working, which is fun
[03:03] <Jucato> :P
[03:03] <Hobbsee> other than that, assignments
[03:03] <Hobbsee> heh, that too
[04:57] <nixternal> Hawkwind: ping?
[05:27] <Hawkwind> nixternal: Pong?
[05:27] <nixternal> yo yo homey
[05:27] <nixternal> how are your e17 repos?
[05:27] <nixternal> are they up to date?
[05:29] <Hawkwind> I haven't built a new Edgy in a few days simply because nothings really changed in CVS worth updating
[05:30] <nixternal> it is safe to install it then?
[05:30] <Hawkwind> Absolutely
[05:30] <nixternal> good deal...
[05:31] <Hawkwind> I'll probably update over the next few days
[05:46] <nixternal> oh wow, i found my old e themes
[05:47] <Jucato> e as in enlightenment?
[05:48] <nixternal> ya
[05:48] <nixternal> i must say, e17 is quite hot
[05:48] <Jucato> yeah looks good. right Hawkwind? :P
[05:50] <nixternal> i wonder if these themes from say, the 90's will work with e17
[05:50] <nixternal> if so..im installing my simplistic hacker theme and calling it a night ;)
[05:50] <Jucato> whoa? 90's? hehehe
[05:50] <nixternal> 98/99 time frame
[05:50] <Jucato> ooh RMS is going to be there on Saturday?
[05:51] <nixternal> yes, and I get to run Emacs sitting next to him, enjoying some fine cigars ;)
[05:51] <Jucato> hahah :)
[05:51] <Jucato> hm... is it true that he doesn't like Ubuntu very much? (cause of the restricted modules/drivers shipped)
[05:52] <nixternal> he doesn't like ubuntu, he respects kubuntu to a point
[05:52] <nixternal> but is angry with us that we ship the restricted and use the GNU/Linux...the GNU/Linux is what he is happy with
[05:53] <Jucato> what? he respects Kubuntu, even though it uses KDE? that's a surprise?
[05:53] <ajmitch> he'll be angry with feisty, if binary drivers are enabled by default
[05:53] <Jucato> lol
[05:54] <Jucato> I heard sabdfl wants XGL/AIGLX/Compiz/Beryl stuff on by default
[05:54] <nixternal> oh lord, i sure hope now
[05:54] <nixternal> arg
[05:54] <nixternal> s/now/not
[05:55] <Jucato> I think he does... well at least Hobbsee said so
[05:56] <nixternal> well, that will alienate a ton of people
[05:56] <nixternal> plus there is no way none of that garbage will even be usable by then..so im not worrying
[05:56] <Jucato> hm.. maybe "on by default" isn't the right term... :)
[05:56] <ajmitch> nixternal: yes, he does, and the beryl people think they can get it ready
[05:57] <ajmitch> Jucato: no, that's exactly what sabdfl wants
[05:57] <Jucato> ooh
[05:57] <nixternal> oh man
[05:57] <Jucato> Kubuntu does a Kororaa...
[05:57] <nixternal> NOOOOOO
[05:57] <ajmitch> http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/beryl-by-default
[05:57] <nixternal> Kororaa doesn't work on 64bit
[05:57] <nixternal> ajmitch: not installed by default I hope
[05:58] <ajmitch> nixternal: "We would like to enable Beryl, the community branch of Compiz, by default in Edgy+1. This topic will scope out the work needed to make that happen."
[05:58] <ajmitch> Registrant:
[05:58] <ajmitch> Mark Shuttleworth
[05:58] <ajmitch> can it be any more explicit? :)
[05:58] <ajmitch> nixternal: we've spent a few days doing that in -motu
[05:58] <nixternal> well, they won't put it in xubuntu i hope ;)
[05:59] <nixternal> stomping your feet and crying like little school girls?
[05:59] <ajmitch> well, ranting
[05:59] <Jucato> hehe
[05:59] <Jucato> glad I'm not there :)
[05:59] <nixternal> you don't want it either ajmitch?
[05:59] <ajmitch> not particularly
[05:59] <ajmitch> I just installed it on my laptop
[05:59] <ajmitch> disabled most of the plugins to be able to have a useful desktop 
[05:59] <nixternal> ya, we installed it on saturday at Ubuntu Chicago..and it was...umm awful and useless
[06:00] <Jucato> I want to be able to installa nd use it easily, but I don't want it installed or turned on by default on an install...
[06:00] <nixternal> it looks cool, but i have so many windows open, and if i alt+tab to some wobbling crap, i will jump out of my first floor window and plummet to my....embarrassment
[06:01] <ajmitch> I disabled all the animation, the wobbling, etc
[06:01] <nixternal> then it is even more useless
[06:01] <Jucato> oh well, they don't call him "sabdfl" for nothing :)
[06:02] <ajmitch> about the only things left are the translucent windows, shadows & cube
[06:02] <nixternal> all of the themes have vista'ish looks to them, and they are all ugly, which that is reparable...but the resource use, the fact you have to have one of maybe three types of vid cards in order for it to work is a damn shame
[06:02] <Jucato> I would probably disable the wobbly windows too...
[06:02] <ajmitch> I found one theme that's close to the default
[06:02] <nixternal> ok, cube is useless, but kind of cool, just in case you happen to forget which window your stuff is on
[06:02] <ajmitch> it's not working too badly on the i915
[06:03] <nixternal> i know my 8 desktops by default, and my alt+shift+# works just great, translucent is cool, shadows needs a lot of work because they are blurry yet, and i like that "shrinking to the desktop" effect
[06:03] <nixternal> like the Macs have
[06:03] <nixternal> well i can say it sucks on NVidia
[06:04] <nixternal> and I can say good luck with a Intel 965 chipset
[06:04] <nixternal> it won't even boot into x
[06:04] <Jucato> I just wished KDE's composite manager worked properly so I could have translucency and shadows without having to install beryl...
[06:04] <nixternal> kde 4 will have that fixed supposedly
[06:05] <Jucato> but we all know how far kde 4 is :)
[06:05] <nixternal> heh, about as far as team fortress classic?
[06:05] <Jucato> about as far as Vista was last at the beginning of this year :)
[06:06] <ajmitch> duke nukem forever!
[06:06] <Jucato> yeah
[06:07] <Jucato> nixternal: you're using a regular kubuntu install right? (kwin, kicker?)
[06:07] <nixternal> yup
[06:07] <nixternal> default everything man...functional is my motto
[06:07] <Jucato> hehehe
[06:07] <Jucato> so I guess you only have one panel?
[06:08] <nixternal> tis all i need, especially when you have Katapult
[06:08] <Jucato> hhehe ok nevermind, I just figured out the "bug" I was going to ask el about :P
[06:08] <nixternal> now that I figured I can make a directory in ~/ and symlink everything i want katapult to start up that isn't in kmenu...i don't even need a taskbar anymore
[06:09] <Jucato> oh yeah that's a smart move! :)
[06:09] <Jucato> (although I usually go with keyboard shortcuts via Input Keys)
[06:10] <Jucato> hm... "Configure Panel doesn't adjust automatically when extra panels are added or removed"
[06:10] <Jucato> I'll probably file a bug report later :)
[06:22] <fdoving> if you hide some icons in the systray you'll get an arrow to press to show/hide those icons. righ-click on it, and you'll find another bug. (if it's not just me)
[06:22] <fdoving> have to go to work.
[06:22] <fdoving> bye.
[06:22] <Jucato> bye fdoving!
[06:22] <Tm_T> fdoving: Wjat bug?
[06:22] <Tm_T> h
[06:23] <fdoving> Tm_T: the menu is horizontal, and strange.
[06:23] <Jucato> ??
[06:24] <Tm_T> I haven't seen seen that.
[06:24] <fdoving> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/edgy-ss/kicker_systray_righclick_bug.png
[06:25] <Jucato> looks fine to me..
[06:25] <Jucato> at least in English...
[06:26] <fdoving> I have to go to work. But the screenshot shows my rightclick menu.
[06:26] <fdoving> bye.
[06:26] <Jucato> bye!
[08:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping @ beryl stuff
[08:41] <Jucato> hehe :)
[08:41] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee :)
[08:41] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[08:41] <Hobbsee> it's a little late now, but they've stopped the dapper versions of beryl, so that they'll break.
[08:42] <Jucato> huh?
[08:43] <Hobbsee> er, so that they wont break
[08:43] <Jucato> heheh :)
[08:44] <Hobbsee> they backported edgy's xorg and mesa to dapper.   that's gotta be a recipe for trouble.
[08:44] <Jucato> whoa. definitely... 7.1 on Dapper?
[08:44] <Hobbsee> yup
[08:44] <Jucato> tsk tsk :P
[08:44] <Hobbsee> which is why everyone had trouble with dist-upgrades - they'd put a higher version in than was in edgy, too
[08:45] <Jucato> er...
[08:45] <Jucato> gotta strangle them :/
[08:45] <Jucato> well, at least they're not the only ones responsible for a lot of dist-upgrade problems :)
[08:46] <Jucato> we always have automatix and easyubuntu as scapegoats... :P
[08:46] <Hobbsee> easyubuntu is fairly safe
[08:46] <Hobbsee> i believe
[08:46] <Hobbsee> yeah, well, i cant go and yell at the automatix people, as much as i'd like to.
[08:46] <Jucato> well, I guess people will keep on using them again and again...
[08:47] <Hobbsee> they seem to like people telling them to go fishing
[08:47] <Hobbsee> yeah well - hopefully common customisations will reduce that problem
[08:47] <Hobbsee> but quinn's very interested in testing dist-upgrades now :)
[08:48] <Jucato> hm... original compiz == quinn ?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> no
[08:48] <Jucato> ah beryl?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> the beryl fork == quinn
[08:48] <Hobbsee> compiz is in the repos anyway
[08:48] <Jucato> I guess this spec for Feisty is going to be a sort of "endorsement" of Beryl by Ubuntu...
[08:49] <Hobbsee> so it seems
[08:49] <Hobbsee> then again, other distros seem to be focussing on compiz
[08:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: and if it gets into ubuntu, presumably that doesnt necessarily mean it gets into kubuntu as well
[08:49] <Jucato> but very few have releases that have them enabled and on by default
[08:50] <Hobbsee> no distro has beryl enabled by default, i believe.  compiz, yes
[08:50] <Jucato> not to mention we'll have to shave of a few packages to accomodate those... well KAudioCreator is going anyway...
[08:50] <Jucato> yeah
[08:50] <Hobbsee> there's a point
[08:50] <Hobbsee> i didnt even look at the gnome deps on it
[08:51] <Hobbsee> that being said, they were talking about moving to dvd anyway
[08:51] <Jucato> but Hobbsee, if Ubuntu gets Beryl and Kubuntu doesn't follow suit, we might have an uproar...
[08:51] <Jucato> huh? DVD images only?
[08:52] <Hobbsee> who knows
[08:52] <Hobbsee> there was a spec for it, and a thread on ubuntu-devel ML
[08:52] <Hobbsee> Jucato: depends who wants it.  but i'm not sure what feisty will offer in terms of new stuff for kde, as such
[08:53] <Jucato> hm... maybe it's time for Ubuntu to consider multiple CD's...
[08:54] <Hobbsee> bleh.
[08:54] <Hobbsee> that would go against the philosophy, wouldnt it?
[08:55] <Jucato> which part of the philosophy?
[08:55] <Jucato> but no, add on CD's only probably
[08:55] <Hobbsee> about ubuntu being a 1cd distro
[08:56] <Jucato> but if they're going to move to DVD...
[08:56] <Hobbsee> true
[08:56] <Hobbsee> who knows - they'll discuss it
[08:57] <Jucato> but anyway, if technology would allow it, the first CD would contain the same basic install, but the other CD's would contain other the other packages.
[08:57] <Hobbsee> and it wouldnt be mandatory to download the others.  GAH!!!
[08:57] <Jucato> yes! definitely!
[08:58] <Jucato> no mandatory downloading!
[08:58] <Jucato> it should be totally optional :)
[08:58] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[08:59] <Jucato> oh well... just suggesting. I'm sure you've heard it all before :)
[09:01] <Hobbsee> actually, they havent really talked about it before this
[09:01] <Hobbsee> but gnome had lots of trouble with cd spac,e not sure about kde
[09:02] <Jucato> the Edgy Desktop CD of Ubuntu is 698MB iirc...
[09:03] <Hobbsee> indeed - and they worked very hard to get it like that
[09:04] <Jucato> to not exceed that, you mean?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> yes
[09:07] <Jucato> ah :)
[09:17] <Jucato> Hobbsee: how many panels do you have?
[09:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: in kde?   1
[09:18] <Jucato> ah
[09:18] <Hobbsee> then again, in xfce it doesnt look so off
[09:18] <Jucato> hehehe. well I might have 2 panels at times, but not in the GNOME-ish style
[09:19] <Jucato> anyway, I thought I ran into some sort of a bug with the panel. but not really sure
[09:47] <_d> Is Lure here?
[09:48] <_d> Lure?
[09:49] <_d> I can't seem to get rid of the lock screen password after hibernating kubuntu edgy
[09:49] <_d> I have tried turning 'lock screen' off under kpowersave and also commenting out screen lock in /etc/default/acpi-support so I'm all out of ideas
[10:30] <Jucato> moin el! :)
[10:31] <el> moin Jucato :)
[10:31] <Jucato> el: are you free for another System Settings question? :)
[10:32] <el> Jucato, yes, if not tooo long ;-)
[10:34] <Jucato> ok I'll make it short. the Panel settings were removed form System Settings, right? well, there are times when Kicker borks and hides itself completely, even though it's running. restarting Kicker doesn't reset it to it's normal position. But since the Panel settings in System Settings are gone, there's no way to bring them back except through kcontrol
[10:34] <Jucato> (me wonders if *that* was short at all...)
[11:16] <Mez> does kmail allow me to choose an email address 'm sending from ?
[11:18] <Jucato> Mez: yes I think so
[11:24] <Hobbsee> however, there's no way to verify that it's from me
[11:24] <Jucato> we have logs
[11:24] <Jucato> :P
[11:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you pinged?
[11:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: indeed.  i found out that there's no specific way to get a different theme based on if you're using gnome/kde with beryl
[11:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the only way around that would be metapackages
[11:34] <Riddell> it is very gtk based from my observations
[11:34] <Riddell> I think we'd be better waiting for kwin 4 in feisty+1
[11:35] <Hobbsee> oh good
[11:36] <Hobbsee> and then hopefully the ubuntu people will be over blign by then :P
[11:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, that type of bling, anyway
[11:36] <Jucato> so no beryl for feisty?
[11:37] <Hobbsee> i suspect people would be wanting to see kde 4 in all it's glory, rather than the bling of beryl, but we'll see.
[11:37] <Jucato> yeah
[11:37] <Hobbsee> it does take away a *lot* from the wm
[11:37] <Jucato> and with the work being done on kwin 4, we might not need it that much :)
[11:37] <Hobbsee> (artwork, keyboard shortcuts, number of desktops, etc)
[11:37] <Jucato> ah it takes away keyboard shortcuts?
[11:38] <Hobbsee> yep
[11:38] <Jucato> big bummer for me
[11:38] <Hobbsee> doesnt let you use the default kwin ones, only it's own
[11:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, exactly
[11:38] <Hobbsee> mind you, the cube is kinda pretty
[11:38] <Jucato> yeah pretty... and the window switcher
[11:39] <Hobbsee> true
[11:39] <Jucato> other than that (and translucency)... I don't know.. :)
[11:42] <ajmitch> that's all I use of it :)
[11:42] <Jucato> hahah :)
[11:43] <Hobbsee> kde does translucency, iirc
[11:44] <Jucato> kompmgr is not very.. um... reliable all the time.. :)
[11:46] <Hobbsee> heh.  like kmail then :P
[11:46] <Jucato> lol
[11:46] <Jucato> I find kmail to be very reliable (at least 98% of the time) :P
[11:47] <Hobbsee> lucky
[01:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ping?
[01:54] <Mez> Riddell, ping
[01:55] <Riddell> hi Mez 
[01:55] <Mez> Riddell - bug 69479
[01:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69479 in katapult "SRU: katapult" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69479
[01:55] <Mez> just an FYI really
[02:46] <Mez> kde bug 136411
[02:46] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 136411 in kwallet "KWallet loses new passwords when closed since XML file import" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136411
[02:46] <Riddell> mm, I know
[02:48] <Mez> Riddell, was that to do with the SRU or the bug ?
[02:50] <Mez> Riddell; what do you think of a plugin for katapult that we can do for example bug 12345 and it'll load up the bug page in kde (or similar)
[02:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/12345
[03:09] <MidMark> hi guys, why updating with apdet from dapper to edgy a lot of important packages aren't installed?
[03:09] <MidMark> kubuntu-desktop is uninstalled automatically and ubuntu-minimal sometimes isn't installed
[03:09] <MidMark> this produce a lot of errors
[03:12] <Hobbsee> MidMark: known, tha'ts why we say change the repos and install kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal and a couple of others to upgrade
[03:13] <Jucato> oh Hobbsee! you're still there :)
[03:13] <MidMark> yes but why this doesn't happens automatically?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes
[03:13] <MidMark> kubuntu-meta bug?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> MidMark: due to transitions - python transitions and the like
[03:15] <MidMark> Hobbsee: that cannot be fixed with a simple meta package?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> MidMark: i dont believe so
[03:17] <MidMark> I think so would be best to produce a package called "upgrade to edgy" with a script that do everything
[03:17] <MidMark> this avoid a lot of requested help from people
[03:18] <Riddell> MidMark: an upgrading tool will be a priority for feisty
[03:18] <MidMark> Riddell: great!
[03:23] <MidMark> Riddell: I think adept should have more support, still have all issues from 2.0 like no input from keyboard, no temp deletions, no possibility to add media repositaries...
[03:23] <Riddell> MidMark: all developers welcome (can probably be bountied too)
[03:24] <MidMark> Riddell: yes can be nice to become developer... but I have not enough time... and no money to do for free...
[03:25] <MidMark> or I mean: to work 2 hours every week it's ok, but not a full time job
[03:32] <Hawkwind> Good things can be done in 2 - 3 hours per week.  Imagine if everyone does that on one project :)
[03:42] <Hawkwind> What package is dh_make part of ?
[03:42] <Hawkwind> Or better yet, what command can I run to find out what package dh_make is in ?
[03:43] <Riddell> apt-cache search dh_make
[03:44] <Hawkwind> Hah.  I thought it was part of something totally different.  Bahh, I feel dumb now
[03:44] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:45] <Hawkwind> Hey there bddebian
[03:45] <bddebian> Hi Hawkwind
[03:46] <Jucato> hi bddebian! :)
[03:46] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:54] <MidMark> Hawkwind: or go to packages.ubuntu.com and search which package has it
[05:27] <_d> Is Lure here?
[05:30] <_d> I've been told he's the guy to ask about my problem with not being able to turn off the hibernate password under Edgy
[05:32] <Riddell> hibernate password?
[05:33] <Lure> _d: I am here
[05:33] <_d> Hi lure!
[05:33] <_d> yep, I can't turn it off
[05:33] <Lure> _d: sebas has attached a patch to have lock for hibernate/suspend configurable - but very unlikely this will get in edgy-updates
[05:34] <Lure> _d: did you try that patch?
[05:34] <_d> Using the hibernate option under the KDE log-out menu that is
[05:34] <Lure> _d: true, for that there is no configuration.... :-(
[05:35] <_d> He pointed me towards a patch for that laptop power tool, g-something??
[05:35] <Lure> We need to put this on the list for Edgy - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyLaptop
[05:35] <Riddell> why would you want it configurable?
[05:36] <_d> Under SUSE I could turn the password for that off by turning off 'Lock Screen' under kpowersave
[05:36] <Lure> Riddell: some people do not care about locks 
[05:36] <Lure> Riddell: it is just a simplification vs. configuration issues
[05:37] <_d> sebas pointed me towards a patch for guidance, which tells me I can't run coz I'm not on a laptop
[05:38] <_d> does that patch make it run on desktop PCs too?
[05:38] <Lure> _d: this patch will not fix lock in logout dialog
[05:38] <_d> no use to me then
[05:39] <_d> so I'll have to wait for feisty to get passwordless hibernate under kubuntu then will I?
[05:40] <Riddell> _d: why the need for password less resume?
[05:40] <_d> convenience
[05:41] <_d> I like auto-login as I'm the only user of my machine
[05:41] <_d> I'm surely not the only one like this either ;)
[05:41] <Jucato> Lure: excuse me, about your comment in the KubuntuHiddenFiles page. iirc, it was imbrandon who suggested editing /.hidden symlink itself, so that if ever the location of hidden-root changes, the changes made by the user would still remain
[05:42] <Lure> Jucato: no problem, it is just that it would be good to have *one* way to do it properly.
[05:42] <Lure> Jucato: I would prefer something like this: sudo rm -f /.hidden ; sudo touch /.hidden
[05:43] <Lure> Jucato: or copy from hidden-root and then edit
[05:43] <Jucato> ah so permanently breaking the link with hidden-root?
[05:43] <Jucato> wouldn't that be reset if ever k-d-s was updated?
[05:44] <_d> One of the final remaining excuses that many people have for sticking with windows is that 'it boots faster' - I don't think you realise how important a feature passwordless hibernate resume is to expanding Linux's user base
[05:44] <_d> just a shame not all hardware supports it :(
[05:48] <fdoving> Jucato: no, k-d-s tests for /.hidden, if it exists it won't re-make the link
[05:49] <Jucato> ah good. and tough luck for those who deleted /.hidden and told others to delete it, too :)
[05:50] <fdoving> I don't like the feature. I hope it will be removed/improved dramatically for feisty.
[05:51] <jeroenvrp> sorry to ask it here folks, but #kubuntu seems more like a channel for the normal user
[05:52] <jeroenvrp> must I take extra actions to upgrade breezy to edgy!?
[05:52] <Jucato> fdoving: well, there's some noise about rennovating media:/ anyway
[05:52] <imbrandon> breezy --> dapper --> edgy 
[05:52] <Jucato> jeroenvrp: breezy to dapper to edgy
[05:52] <fdoving> !upgrade | jeroenvrp 
[05:52] <ubotu> jeroenvrp: For upgrading, see instructions at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this in the channel topic: type "/topic")  -  See also !downgrade
[05:53] <jeroenvrp> thanks fdoving 
[05:53] <jeroenvrp> I will bookmark that one
[05:53] <Jucato> jeroenvrp: and #kubuntu isn't just for normal users :)
[05:53] <jeroenvrp> I never receive an answer over there :-)
[05:53] <Jucato> depends on what time you asked. right now it high traffic in there
[05:54] <jeroenvrp> that is true indeed
[05:54] <Jucato> then again, you can't expect everyone in here to be able to answer 24/7 :)
[05:54] <jeroenvrp> so I must upgrade first to dapper and than to breezy, oh well....
[05:55] <Jucato> yep
[05:55] <jeroenvrp> breezy=edgy
[05:55] <fdoving> oh my god. why is kubuntu-default-settings source over 10MB? - isn't it just text? 
[05:55] <Jucato> fdoving: no
[05:56] <imbrandon> fdoving, no , images as well for some things
[05:56] <Jucato> it has wallpapers, kdm themes, kicker themes, ksplash theme
[05:56] <imbrandon> ( like usplash )
[05:58] <Jucato> btw, is it really an intended behavior that mounted CD's/DVD's just show cdrom0 or cdrom1, and not the labels anymore?
[06:04] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: there is one thing I can't find in the given url: do I need to reboot after the upgrade to Dapper has finished and begore I upgrade to Edgy?rade
[06:05] <Jucato> I don't think so. but fdoving would probably know better
[06:05] <fdoving> I belive ther is a old 'edgyWallpaper.tar.gz' that isn't needed, in kubuntu-default-settings source. artwork/ spesifically.
[06:06] <jeroenvrp> fdoving:  do I need to reboot after the upgrade to Dapper has finished and begore I upgrade to Edgy?
[06:06] <fdoving> jeroenvrp: Is it a problem for you to do so? If you can reboot easily, it wouldn't hurt. Though, it should upgrade just fine without rebooting.
[06:07] <jeroenvrp> fdoving: I'm doing it via ssh, thats why, but I can do a reboot off course, but if it upgrades just fine, why should I reboot (off course when I'm finished I should)
[06:09] <fdoving> I belive it should upgrade just fine. 
[06:09] <fdoving> I have not tested though.
[06:10] <fdoving> I'll have to go eat. bbl.
[06:19] <imbrandon> fdoving, you might make sure that its not patched via a uuencoded patch , in that case the old picture is needed
[06:20] <imbrandon> k-d-s i dont think has any though ( patches )
[06:22] <fdoving> there is a .bzr directory too.
[06:22] <fdoving> 11M
[06:22] <fdoving> poor packaging.
[06:22] <fdoving> if it's not intended.
[06:22] <fdoving> .bzr in sources can't be intended, can it? 
[06:23] <fdoving> 11M ? 
[06:24] <fdoving> intended/intentional.
[06:25] <imbrandon> yes we maintain it in bzr and just commit from there so it is intentional
[06:25] <fdoving> to include it in the package? 
[06:26] <imbrandon> feel free to add to the debian/rules to clean it everytime before commit 
[06:28] <imbrandon> ( but yes on that side note, its upto the maintainer to remove the svn cvs bzr files , but not required in debian or ubuntu policy )
[07:03] <fdoving> imbrandon: very few packages include cvs/svn/bzr control directories. They usually don't beloing in packages.
[07:04] <Riddell> cvs/svn is never useful, bzr can be
[07:08] <fdoving> how is is usefull? it's 50% of the package. or more.. if edgyWallpaper.tar.gz isn't used.
[07:09] <Riddell> it's useful so people can make changes and commit then push them
[07:09] <fdoving> ok. does it grow? 
[07:09] <Riddell> and it serves to remind people that it's a bzr maintained package
[07:10] <Riddell> yes it grows
[07:10] <fdoving> evil.
[07:11] <fdoving> can it be stripped down somehow? to just include essential information for users to commit and push? 
[07:12] <imbrandon> yes some of that will happen as bzr on LP starts to use the new server end of the code in bzr 0.12 just released
[07:12] <imbrandon> brb , time to pop into the shower
[07:15] <fdoving> that would be usefull. dapper k-d-s source was ~3MB. edgy with .bzr is ~10MB.
[07:15] <fdoving> that's gziped.
[07:50] <nixternal> Riddell: with Kubuntu-docs, for updates to close like 7 bugs, would it be better to do patches, and then do a debdiff, or would it just be better to create a new package?
[07:52] <Riddell> nixternal: for -updates patches is best
[07:52] <nixternal> cool
[07:52] <Riddell> I think anyway
[07:52] <nixternal> bug 65685
[07:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65685 in kubuntu-docs ""About Kubuntu" missing "wonderful-linux.html"" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65685
[07:52] <nixternal> that is a "hack fix" with an html redirect
[07:53] <nixternal> unless you can think of a better way to fix it, creating a redirect.html and puting it in the kubuntu/about-kubuntu/ directory for docs, and then directing /etc/alternatives/firefox-homepage to it would be the easiest fix, should i go about creating a patch to do so?
[07:54] <nixternal> or, is it possibl to just make the homepage goto /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/index.html instead of doing the symlinks?
[07:57] <sebas> Hm, passwordless hibernate can be done by killall kdesktop_lock post-resume. =)
[07:58] <Tm_T> =)
[07:58] <Tm_T> sebas: I do passwordless locking/unlocking using dcop triggered by kdebluetooth :)
[07:59] <Riddell> nixternal: probably, so long as we test it lots
[07:59] <nixternal> well, i tested the redirect hack, and it works great
[07:59] <nixternal> i believe that was fdoving's idea
[08:00] <nixternal> i could just place the redirect.html in a folder, outside of the doc folders, possibly in debian?  and then either create a patch that would dh_install it to the correct place, and then a patch to attack the postinst script to change the symlink
[08:18] <gnomefreak> Riddell: you got a sec?
[08:18] <Riddell> gnomefreak: yes
[08:18] <gnomefreak> Riddell: was any 3.5.4 stuff ported to dapper
[08:18] <Riddell> gnomefreak: there were packages
[08:19] <gnomefreak> in security?
[08:19] <Riddell> no, on kubuntu.org
[08:19] <gnomefreak> i dont see that repo in his list is why i asked
[08:20] <gnomefreak> we have major breakage and i would like to pinpoint automatix as the issue but i cant say it is yet
[08:21] <gnomefreak> he has a mixed system 3.5.2/3.5.4 hoping aptitude will fix this
[08:21] <fdoving> gnomefreak: he probably installed part of kde from kubuntu.org and removed kubuntu.org sources from sources.list
[08:21] <gnomefreak> it says from dpkg is what bothers me about it
[08:21] <Riddell> could be automatix installed kubuntu 3.5.4
[08:21] <gnomefreak> you get that when you install froma  deb
[08:24] <fdoving> don't you get the same if you remove the repository from sources.list ? 
[08:28] <gnomefreak> might i dont remember
[08:29] <fdoving> anyone looking at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/69494 ?
[08:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69494 in kopete "Kopete 0.12.3 can't log in to ICQ anymore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[08:33] <fdoving> I'll add a patch to the package.
[08:35] <mhb> fdoving: oh, so this is why I can't log in to ICQ :o)
[08:36] <fdoving> probably :_)
[09:00] <nixternal> hmm..my patches didn't work at all
[09:03] <fdoving> Riddell: any idea when edgy-updates will open?
[09:07] <fdoving> Riddell: i have packages with fix for bug 69494 building for dapper and edgy. should consider publishing on kubuntu.org maybe? 
[09:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69494 in kopete "Kopete 0.12.3 can't log in to ICQ anymore" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69494
[09:08] <Riddell> fdoving: should be open now
[09:08] <nixternal> fdoving: i used the redirect hack, and it works great for the ff homepage bug
[09:09] <fdoving> Riddell: great, could you upload a new kopete then? does the bug qualify for edgy-updates? 
[09:09] <nixternal> packaging that stuff now
[09:09] <fdoving> nixternal: great :)
[09:12] <Mez> fdoving: shouldnt you consider an SRU for that ?
[09:13] <fdoving> SRU? 
[09:13] <Mez> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[09:13] <Mez> !sru is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[09:14] <fdoving> would probably be a good idea.
[09:14] <fdoving> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/
[09:14] <fdoving> 3.5.5 fixes.
[09:14] <fdoving> for kubuntu.org dapper, and edgy kopete.
[09:15] <jeroenvrp> ivman
[09:16] <jeroenvrp> That's the only problem I have after upgrading to edgy, from breezy, via dapper
[09:16] <jeroenvrp> but do I need it?
[09:16] <jeroenvrp> it's not on my local filesystem
[09:17] <nixternal> what am i doing wrong with these docs that i can't get them to be called when building the package?
[09:17] <nixternal> my testing is not wroking, and i am about to start kicking and screaming ;)
[09:18] <nixternal> i can't get the patches to work
[09:18] <fdoving> want me to look at it? 
[09:19] <nixternal> i created the patches directory, and put the .dpatches in the there with the 00list...i added DEB_PATCHDIRS := debian/patches/common debian/patches to the rules file
[09:19] <nixternal> am i missing something else?
[09:20] <fdoving> i would consider cdbs and simple-patchsys if I were you.
[09:20] <fdoving> it's very simple.
[09:21] <nixternal> cdbs-edit-patch patchname?
[09:21] <fdoving> yes.
[09:21] <nixternal> and then us vi
[09:21] <nixternal> that would be a ton of work, as the patches are decent in size
[09:21] <fdoving> ah. ok. 
[09:22] <nixternal> but yes, if it was a simple patch, that is the way i would go
[09:22] <fdoving> gr.. have to go away for ~15 mins. kid going to bed.
[09:22] <fdoving> bbl.
[09:22] <allee> fdoving: mine are already ;)
[09:23] <allee> nixternal: what's the problem with the patches?
[09:23] <nixternal> they aren't being used
[09:23] <nixternal> not being applied i guess you can say
[09:23] <allee> nixternal: is cdbs used?
[09:23] <nixternal> no
[09:24] <nixternal> i take that back
[09:24] <nixternal> yes
[09:24] <nixternal> i just noticed it in the control file
[09:24] <allee> nixternal: does control include any *patch*.mk file?
[09:25] <nixternal> no
[09:25] <allee> if the patches are debian/patches/*.{diff,.patch}, then include simple-patchsys. if not maybe dpatch.mk or ...
[09:26] <nixternal> they are .dpatch
[09:26] <allee> then dpatch.mk afaik ...
[09:26] <nixternal> ya
[09:26] <nixternal> which i didn't add ;)
[09:55] <mhb> fdoving: I hope the patch for Kopete will be available as an update ASAP
[09:56] <fdoving> mhb: let's hope so. the package is fixed and available for i386 at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/ (edgy still uploading)
[09:57] <fdoving> I'll file a SRU request bug.
[10:19] <fdoving> mhb: are you on edgy x86? can you test http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kopete-edgy/ ? 
[10:21] <mhb> fdoving: right away
[10:29] <mhb> fdoving: hm, not working yet
[10:30] <mhb> fdoving: the weird thing is that the package is called kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1 but the diff 0ubuntu2
[10:30] <fdoving> it is? 
[10:30] <mhb> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kopete-edgy/kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[10:30] <fdoving> oh crap.
[10:30] <mhb> that's what I've tested
[10:30] <fdoving> wrong dsc.
[11:20] <fdoving> mhb: new deb ready: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kopete-edgy/
[11:32] <mhb> looks like it works
[11:33] <mhb> yes, it works
[11:34] <fdoving> good.
[11:58] <toma> seaLne: adjusted mailody so you get a dialog when you dont use kwallet