[12:13] <loxs> thanks omicron
[12:13] <loxs> looks good
[12:13] <RogueJediX> Hey. My mate has an offline computer with Ubuntu freshly installed and he needs wine. Does it have any dependencies I should know of?
[12:14] <RogueJediX> Whoops, I should have gone to #ubuntu with this, shouldn't I? Sorry about that.
[12:14] <livingdaylight> does Kubuntu come with a phone client by default. Ubuntu comes with Ekiga or whatever i believe
[12:14] <OOD> RogueJediX: it should work perfectly in a cleaninstall
[12:14] <OOD> ubuntu and kubuntu are mostly the same, so its fine :)
[12:15] <RogueJediX> OOD: Thanks. I come here by default since I have Kubuntu myself. So, I should just download the debs and I'm set?
[12:16] <OOD> RogueJediX: yeah. and get the nvidia/ati driver if you're gonna be using any 3d apps :)
[12:16] <OOD> and get the latest version: http://winehq.org/site/download
[12:17] <RogueJediX> OOD: That's already taken care of. I already installed the drivers for his ATI card when I had his box over at my place
[12:17] <david_> Hi :)
[12:17] <OOD> hi
[12:18] <RogueJediX> Anways, thanks OOD
[12:18] <Lam_> what's katapult?
[12:18] <Lam_> !katapult
[12:18] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[12:18] <OOD> this would be the link to the wine repo if you want just the deb file http://winehq.org/site/download-deb
[12:18] <Lam_> ok thanks
[12:18] <RogueJediX> Even better
[12:18] <wimpies> How can I listen to streamed media on amazon.com ?
[12:19] <livingdaylight> what is the kubuntu voip favourite?
[12:19] <livingdaylight> kubuntu uses Ekiga or skype?
[12:19] <OOD> er. wrong link http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt
[12:19] <RogueJediX> livingdaylight: There's also openwengo. I haven't tried voip myself, though
[12:20] <BluesKaj> OOD. is there a wine pkg for edgy?
[12:20] <RogueJediX> OOD: Thanks, I got it already :)
[12:22] <OOD> BluesKaj: yeah
[12:23] <carlos> camorama works great but gives me the image streched
[12:23] <Pupeno> what was the command to pick the alternatives in /etc/alternatives ?
[12:24] <carlos> ah but thats because i havent widescreen
[12:24] <omicron> gotta go sleeping now...
[12:27] <loxs> are there better irc clients than this konversation?
[12:34] <david__> hi
[12:34] <lombra_> hi people!!!
[12:34] <david__> hi lombra
[12:34] <BluesKaj> loxs, it's amatter of taste, some ppl like xchat , or kopete but i like konverstion the best
[12:34] <david__> where are you from?
[12:35] <lombra_> david_: brazilian, MG
[12:35] <david__> cool
[12:35] <david__> I'm from Argentina
[12:35] <lombra_> david_ heheheheh good!!!!
[12:35] <david__> yes!
[12:35] <david__> haah
[12:35] <carlos> im from el salvador
[12:35] <david__> cool
[12:35] <david__> We all latins!!
[12:35] <david__> hsah
[12:35] <carlos> but i live in france lol
[12:35] <david__> ohh
[12:36] <david__> jaja
[12:36] <mw46> A German living in the US is listening;-)
[12:36] <david__> wow
[12:36] <BluesKaj> <---Canada
[12:36] <carlos> i came a month ago
[12:36] <david__> why are you living in the us?
[12:36] <mw46> I work here.
[12:36] <david__> ok
[12:36] <BluesKaj> duh
[12:36] <david__> and you in france carlos?
[12:37] <david__> someone kicked me off
[12:37] <sync350> Quick question... on OpenOfice.org Word Processor, is there a way to set page numbering in the top right corner?  I need it in the top right corner on all pages except the first page.  Thank you.
[12:37] <david__> how old are you lombra_?
[12:38] <sync350> office*
[12:38] <david__> why?
[12:39] <carlos> yes in toulouse
[12:39] <carlos> im in the universitu
[12:40] <carlos> well im gonna leave the update going while i rest a bit
[12:41] <mw46> sync350: did you play with the document header?
[12:41] <wombat_> can someone point me to a glossary or something?
[12:41] <wombat_> please
[12:41] <BonBonTheJon> wombat_: what do you need to look up
[12:41] <mw46> wombat_: for which area?
[12:43] <sync350> mw46: yes... It gives me the option of writing in a blank header space... i was just hoping there was an automatic page numbering thing like in microsoft word.
[12:44] <wombat_> um, ok, I'm trying to install some programs using Adept Manager and it's come up with BREAK (install)
[12:45] <mw46> sync350: Insert-> Field-> Page Number will be updated for every page;-)
[12:45] <sync350> ah, thanks :D
[12:45] <mw46> ;-)
[12:45] <sinbad44> hey guys how do i start updating my newly installed kubuntu 6.06 os ??
[12:46] <mw46> you did not want to install 6.10 right from the beginning?
[12:46] <mw46> ;-)
[12:47] <sinbad44> no, i didnt know there was a 6.10
[12:48] <mw46> Did you look at K->System->Adept ?
[12:48] <sinbad44> cuz i just got 6.06 off torrents
[12:48] <sinbad44> K?
[12:48] <sinbad44> hmm
[12:49] <mw46> The little K Menu ;-)
[12:49] <mw46> It's called Start in English Windows;-)
[12:49] <sinbad44> ahh ok
[12:49] <acesuares> sinbad44: maybe don't try
[12:49] <acesuares> lots of people have lots of problems upgrading
[12:50] <acesuares> some people don't
[12:50] <sinbad44> ok i just clicked on it along with my pw
[12:50] <sc0tt> I didn't have a single issue upgrading ;>
[12:50] <mw46> It works fine for me for normal updates;-)
[12:50] <acesuares> I am reinstalling from scratch though after a couple of days of 'windows' experience on my linux bos :-(
[12:50] <SHRIKEE> quick question
[12:50] <sync350> mw46: one more question... that only seems to work on the page i apply it on, it doesn't put the number on any of the other pages.
[12:50] <acesuares> still happy with kubuntu though.
[12:50] <sinbad44> ok should i just do a full upgrade or ?
[12:50] <mw46> But I did not do the upgrade to 6.10 yet.
[12:50] <SHRIKEE> why does kalarm set the system volume to 0 when i acknowledge an reminder/alert
[12:51] <mw46> sync350: did you put this into the header area?
[12:51] <matrix> hi folks, i just updated to edgy and screwd my X. I tried to get beryl to work. now i wanted to switch back. i restored my original /etc/X11/xorg.conf which worked under dapper.
[12:52] <sync350> yes
[12:52] <mw46> that works for me?
[12:52] <matrix> when i now start my x is not comming up and /var/log/Xorg.0.log is empty. are the xserver messages now somewhere else?
[12:52] <SHRIKEE> why does kalarm set the system volume to 0 when i acknowledge an reminder/alert
[12:52] <matrix> is there a autodetect and setup tool for the graphicscard?
[12:52] <mw46> it has a grey background and is updated automatically;-)
[12:53] <sync350> mw46: Insert -> header -> default?
[12:54] <sinbad44> ok wat do i do after i fetch updates ??
[12:54] <mw46> sync350: yes, and then add the Page Number field to the header.
[12:54] <mw46> sinbad44: apply changes;-)
[12:55] <mw46> or look at them first;-)
[12:55] <sinbad44> i dont see 'apply changes'
[12:55] <sinbad44> i only see preview changes
[12:56] <sinbad44> where do i find 'apply changes'
[12:56] <matrix> how can i get a working x again?
[12:56] <sinbad44> oh well 'apply changes' is greyed out
[12:57] <sinbad44> how do i get 'apply changes' to ungrey
[12:57] <mw46> so no updates to apply;-)
[12:57] <matrix> sinbad44: it will be greyed out until you select any changes
[12:58] <sinbad44> looking for select
[12:58] <inteliwasp> is it now posible to install the python packages now?
[12:59] <DaSkreech> Where do I DD if I want to grab a MFT?
[12:59] <DaSkreech> !away > coreymon77
[01:00] <sinbad44> how do i make all my menus dark colored ??
[01:00] <flaccid> still 404s in file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[01:00] <SHRIKEE> why does kalarm set the system volume to 0 when i acknowledge an reminder/alert
[01:00] <DaSkreech> flaccid: What's this?
[01:00] <flaccid> DaSkreech: firefox start page
[01:01] <DaSkreech> flaccid: It's not the firefox page
[01:01] <DaSkreech> flaccid: it's the konqueror page
[01:01] <DaSkreech> Save yourself a lot of headache and reset it :)
[01:01] <flaccid> thats weird, for both dapper and edgy it was also my firefox start page
[01:01] <flaccid> reset what exactly?
[01:01] <DaSkreech> flaccid: No it was your Konqueror page :) it works fine in konqueror
[01:02] <DaSkreech> reset the start page
[01:02] <flaccid> i'm sorry but you are wrong. it was start page for firefox as well.
[01:02] <sinbad44> how can i get a sense of progress during updating/installing ?
[01:02] <flaccid> the links in the page is what i'm talking about
[01:02] <flaccid> eg. file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/wonderful-linux.html
[01:02] <sinbad44> cuz it looks like nothing is happening after i click 'install' upgrades
[01:03] <DaSkreech> flaccid: Yes I know that. But it was never intended to be
[01:03] <DaSkreech> flaccid: again those are intended for Konqueror and they work there
[01:04] <flaccid> DaSkreech: so basically kubuntu stuffed up twice. 1. was never meant to be start page 2. it has 404s/missing pages
[01:04] <DaSkreech> flaccid: No it was never meant to be the start page for Firefox
[01:04] <sinbad44> haha wat kinda nick is 'flaccid' ?
[01:04] <flaccid> exactly. never meant to be.... but was!
[01:04] <DaSkreech> and it works in Konqueror cause it's accessed by a Differnt URl that firefox doesn't respect
[01:04] <flaccid> that would be called a bug :)
[01:05] <flaccid> DaSkreech: firefox respects file:/// protocol fine
[01:05] <sinbad44> is Konqueror open source ?
[01:05] <DaSkreech> flaccid: That would be called installing an unsupported package :)
[01:05] <DaSkreech> sinbad44: yes
[01:05] <DaSkreech> flaccid: It doesn't use that URI in konqueror
[01:05] <flaccid> DaSkreech: you are missing the point entirely
[01:06] <sinbad44> oh wow thats great, does that mean Konqueror is inherently more secure than firefox or ?
[01:06] <flaccid> do you have these files, DaSkreech? file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/ln-id2476955.html file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/ln-id2475240.html
[01:06] <DaSkreech> flaccid: type in help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/index.html in konqueror
[01:06] <DaSkreech> same page works fine
[01:06] <sinbad44> i usually run my browsers with java script off
[01:06] <DaSkreech> try typing that in firefox
[01:07] <flaccid> you don't know what your are talking about
[01:07] <DaSkreech> flaccid: I know they are there but the method of accessing them is not the same
[01:07] <DaSkreech>  flaccid: I tried to file the same bug you are
[01:07] <flaccid> the location is /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/ln-id2475240.html
[01:07] <sinbad44> anyone know of a comparative review of Konqueror compared to mozilla etc ?
[01:07] <flaccid> the protocol it accesses it by is irrelevant
[01:07] <flaccid> the files are missing
[01:07] <DaSkreech> flaccid: and konqueror doesn't access them like that. though it uses those files
[01:07] <flaccid> the point is the files are MISSing
[01:08] <flaccid> no point having a start page with table of contents if the links don't exist..
[01:08] <DaSkreech> flaccid: Did you try it in konqueror?
[01:08] <flaccid> yes
[01:08] <sinbad44> does kubuntu have its own firewall program or ??
[01:08] <flaccid> the files don't exist
[01:08] <DaSkreech> flaccid: with help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/index.html ?
[01:08] <sinbad44> i want to stealth all my unused ports
[01:08] <flaccid> no
[01:09] <flaccid> i am not talking about the index
[01:09] <flaccid> i am talking about the pages it links to
[01:09] <sinbad44> or does kubuntu stealth by default
[01:09] <sinbad44> ?
[01:09] <flaccid> for example, what package is this from /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/wonderful-linux.html
[01:09] <flaccid> because it doesn't exist
[01:09] <DaSkreech> flaccid: I'm asking you if you tried it in konqueror cause I am now and it works fine
[01:09] <flaccid> pfft
[01:09] <flaccid> i'm going
[01:10] <sinbad44> why is flaccid so stiff tonite ?
[01:10] <DaSkreech> flaccid: ok :) the start page works in ubunt by the way
[01:10] <DaSkreech> cause it was built for firefox
[01:10] <flaccid> DaSkreech: just let me know the package name
[01:10] <flaccid> i've confirmed they don't exist with about 4 people here before....
[01:10] <flaccid> cya
[01:10] <DaSkreech> flaccid: I never said they exist
[01:11] <DaSkreech> flaccid: I said they work in Konqueror
[01:11] <DaSkreech> beacuse that's what that page was built for
[01:11] <DaSkreech> and I also don't like repeating myself
[01:12] <DaSkreech> but whatever if you are happy being puzzled and don't want a way forward ...
[01:12] <flaccid> i get timeout on server for your link for konq
[01:12] <Werdna> hey guys.
[01:12] <sinbad44> does kubuntu have its own firewall program or ??
[01:12] <DaSkreech> flaccid: dapper?
[01:12] <Werdna> when I try to dist-upgrade, apt-get reports that some packages have been "kept back" Why?
[01:12] <flaccid> i don't think you understand me at all DaSkreech
[01:12] <DaSkreech> sinbad44: Yes it does it's too difficult to use
[01:12] <flaccid> i'm too pissed off
[01:12] <flaccid> cya
[01:12] <DaSkreech> flaccid: Speak then
[01:14] <sinbad44> daskreech, wat firewall do u recommend for kubuntu ?
[01:14] <DaSkreech> !firewall
[01:14] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[01:14] <DaSkreech> there you go
[01:14] <sinbad44> nice, thx DaS
[01:14] <jmichaelx> i hesitate to ask, but, if anyone out there has been able to successfully configure mplayer plugin and firefox (in edgy) to play embedded videos (yahoo news videos, in particular), please let me know how you did it.
[01:15] <Bubba_Gump> jimichaelx: yes!!
[01:15] <Bubba_Gump> took me aaaages
[01:15] <Bubba_Gump> which distro are you on?
[01:15] <jmichaelx> Bubba_Gump: i beg you to inform me, lol
[01:15] <jmichaelx> kubuntu edgy
[01:15] <Bubba_Gump> heh :))
[01:16] <jmichaelx> i had no problem watching those videos in dapper
[01:16] <Bubba_Gump> download automatix 2 from adept
[01:16] <jmichaelx> i have automatix2
[01:16] <Bubba_Gump> good stuff :)
[01:16] <jmichaelx> yep
[01:16] <Bubba_Gump> hold on... loading
[01:16] <jmichaelx> ok
[01:17] <LjL> !automatix | Bubba_Gump, jmichaelx
[01:17] <ubotu> Bubba_Gump, jmichaelx: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[01:17] <Bubba_Gump> okies
[01:17] <Werdna> !keptback
[01:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keptback - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:17] <Werdna> grrr
[01:17] <Bubba_Gump> in adept down the mplayer-mozilla plugin
[01:17] <Bubba_Gump> and also totem player
[01:17] <jmichaelx> LjL: i have heard all of this. i have use automatix over and over on 4 machines, and never had a single problem with it
[01:18] <Bubba_Gump> (totem has an easy way of getting the WMV codecs plus a lot more :) )
[01:19] <DaSkreech> Anyone know about NTFS drives?
[01:19] <OOD> so does the latest kaffeine
[01:19] <DaSkreech> how big is the BS?
[01:19] <felixjet> BS
[01:19] <felixjet> ?
[01:19] <jmichaelx> Werdna: if you are having problems with packages being held back after an upgrade to edgy, try sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[01:20] <dalbirdy> anyone here no how to Finite Automata?
[01:20] <jmichaelx> Bubba_Gump: brb, will install totem
[01:20] <DaSkreech> Bootsector
[01:20] <Bubba_Gump> okies :)
[01:21] <dalbirdy> I need to add 2 FA's together to get 1
[01:21] <jmichaelx> Bubba_Gump: ok, totem is installed... do i need totem-mozilla?
[01:21] <Bubba_Gump> yeah
[01:21] <Bubba_Gump> best to go for it on all fronts
[01:21] <Bubba_Gump> that's what i've done
[01:22] <jmichaelx> Bubba_Gump: are you in edgy, as well?
[01:22] <Bubba_Gump> yeah
[01:22] <jmichaelx> ok
[01:22] <jmichaelx> how about toem-gstreamer
[01:22] <jmichaelx> ?
[01:22] <jmichaelx> totem*
[01:22] <ryanakca> how can I completly uninstall kde4 so that I can reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[01:22] <Bubba_Gump> gstreamer is different from mplayer
[01:23] <Bubba_Gump> depends if you want a choice to choose both
[01:23] <Bubba_Gump> i have mplayer, gstreamer and xine installed
[01:23] <Bubba_Gump> and i used xine much over the other two
[01:23] <DaSkreech> FA == Full adders?
[01:24] <dalbirdy> anyone here no how to Finite Automata?
[01:25] <jmichaelx> Bubba_Gump: ok, it appears that totem gstreamer and totem-xine cannot both be installed at the same time
[01:25] <Bubba_Gump> choose xine
[01:26] <[GuS] > Au revoir.... bonne nuit
[01:26] <campbch> yum.
[01:27] <jmichaelx> Bubba_Gump: ok, ready to go
[01:27] <Bubba_Gump> reet
[01:27] <Bubba_Gump> try it all out :)
[01:27] <Bubba_Gump> see if it works
[01:28] <jmichaelx> Bubba_Gump: no go :-(
[01:28] <Itay> I need help please, When I close Bittornado when it's downloading so the next time I run it again the download go back a little. Why it's go back and what can I do too prevent that?
[01:28] <Bubba_Gump> hold on...
[01:28] <Bubba_Gump> let me check my adept
[01:28] <jmichaelx> ok
[01:28] <Bubba_Gump> see what i've got going :)
[01:29] <jmichaelx> Bubba_Gump: do you have flash9 beta installed?
[01:29] <Bubba_Gump> yes
[01:29] <Bubba_Gump> installed that yesterday - great piece of kit
[01:31] <Bubba_Gump> okay, i've: mplayer, mozilla-mplayer, mencoder, totem-mozilla, totem-xine, mozilla-plugin-vlc
[01:31] <Bubba_Gump> now i dunno which one *works*
[01:31] <Bubba_Gump> and i've movies so /me shrugs
[01:32] <jmichaelx> Bubba_Gump: i have all of those as well, except the vlc plugin....
[01:32] <Bubba_Gump> could be that, then
[01:32] <jmichaelx> are you sure you can watch the news lips from yahoo in firefox 2.0?
[01:32] <jmichaelx> clips*
[01:33] <Bubba_Gump> i'll check
[01:33] <sinbad44> hey guys which text editor corresponds to notepad ?
[01:33] <sinbad44> kate?
[01:34] <sinbad44> i just want to save a few lines of irc text to a file
[01:34] <Bubba_Gump> not in yahoo
[01:35] <Bubba_Gump> heh, bladdy thing crashed me :)
[01:35] <jmichaelx> lol
[01:35] <jmichaelx> ok, i think this problem is going to wind up being complicated to solve.
[01:36] <jmichaelx> wb
[01:36] <Bubba_Gump> yeah there's something up with yahoo :))
[01:36] <jmichaelx> Bubba_Gump: i have no problem with yahoo news clips in dapper
[01:37] <Bubba_Gump> did you use 2.0 firefox in dapper?
[01:37] <jmichaelx> Bubba_Gump: no, 1.5.0.7
[01:40] <jmichaelx> it's no big deal. i'll eventually get something figured out
[01:41] <sinbad44> l
[01:41] <Bubba_Gump> i think it's something to with wmv
[01:42] <Bubba_Gump> in my filetypes section withing the firefox preferences, wmv is shown as 'windows media player'
[01:42] <jmichaelx> yeah, here too
[01:42] <Bubba_Gump> whearas everything bar two else are shown as opening with the mplayer
[01:42] <jmichaelx> hmm
[01:44] <Bubba_Gump> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=286700
[01:44] <Bubba_Gump> i'm gonna try this
[01:44] <jmichaelx> ok, i may as well.... or wait to see how it goes for you :-P
[01:45] <shadowhywind> so i think i found a bug in edge with the upgrades, hehe
[01:47] <dsmoye> Kubuntu n00b here...  How the %&#$# do I get shortcuts loaded on the "Dock Application Bar"??
[01:48] <dsmoye> I've tried dragging...  I've tried begging...
[01:48] <dsmoye> I've tried right-clicking...   Nuthin'.
[01:50] <dsmoye> testing....
[01:52] <wilberfan> How do I add stuff to a "Dock Application Bar" in Kubuntu?
[01:54] <Bubba_Gump> jmichaelx: installing
[01:54] <Bubba_Gump> :)
[01:54] <wilberfan> Kinda quiet around here!
[01:55] <jmichaelx> Bubba_Gump: ill be curious to see how it goes...
[01:56] <shadowhywind> question, anyone that upgraded to edgy, do you have a problem with the swap
[01:56] <wilberfan> how do you mean?
[01:56] <shadowhywind> open up the system guard
[01:57] <wilberfan> I'm not even sure what that is...
[01:57] <xsacha_> whats wrong with swap shadowhywind?
[01:58] <shadowhywind> no nothing wrong with mine, I am just seeing if anyone else have had problems
[01:58] <xsacha_> :S i dont see how you could have probs with swap
[01:58] <shadowhywind> I have done 2 upgrades (1 on mine, and 1 on a fiends) and its done strange things to the swap partition
[01:59] <shadowhywind> somehow during the upgrade it converted the swap partition to a ntfs linux swap
[01:59] <xsacha_> ^o)
[01:59] <h3sp4wn> shadowhywind: Have you tried swapoff; mkswap; swapon
[01:59] <xsacha_> when i installed i just chose which one i wanted to be root partition, i already had a swap from my last distro
[01:59] <shadowhywind> i got my swap workin, hehe
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> shadowhywind: swap is type 83 iirc
[02:00] <xsacha_> but yeah that ntfs thing is very easy to fix
[02:00] <xsacha_> dont know why it would happen though
[02:00] <Jucato> 82
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> so 83 is ext2 ?
[02:00] <foxx> yeahr Kubuntu ruLLLLLZZZZZ
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> Always get them mixed up
[02:00] <xsacha_> 82 is linux FS, 83 is swap?
[02:00] <shadowhywind> yah, all i did was reformated it as linux-swap, mkswap <drive> copied it to ftab and things work now
[02:00] <Jucato> type 82 is swap
[02:00] <Jucato> afaik
[02:00] <Jucato> 83 is ext2/3
[02:00] <xsacha_> mm pretty sure it's other way around :S ill check
[02:01] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: You are right (always get mixed up)
[02:01] <xsacha_> oh it's bug in qparted
[02:01] <tearran> !dev
[02:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:01] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: nah. I just remember some stuff that I shouldn't even be remembering...
[02:01] <Jucato> xsacha_: you mean qtparted?
[02:01] <xsacha_> no
[02:02] <Lam_> how do i set konqueror's home page?
[02:02] <foxx> are you shaved ?
[02:02] <xsacha_> i mean gparted*
[02:02] <Jucato> Lam_: Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Behavior options
[02:02] <Jucato> Lam_: err...
[02:02] <tearran> !mp3
[02:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:02] <Jucato> Lam_: do you want to set the *home* page or the first page that shows up when you run Konqi
[02:03] <wilberfan> Can anyone help me figure out how to add shortcuts to an application panel?
[02:03] <Lam_> first page that shows up via web profile
[02:03] <ryanakca> is this normal?
[02:03] <ryanakca> ryan@rkavanagh:~$ killall kicker
[02:03] <ryanakca> ryan@rkavanagh:~$ kicker
[02:03] <ryanakca> ERROR: kicker is already running!
[02:03] <Jucato> wilberfan: what kind of shortcuts?
[02:03] <wilberfan> Applications, mostly...
[02:03] <wilberfan> I guess
[02:03] <Jucato> ryanakca: hm... that shouldn't be right
[02:03] <xsacha_> right click->add application to panel wilberfan?
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> So when does the new repos open for ubuntu+1 ?
[02:03] <wilberfan> I've got a "Dock Application Bar" set up and I cannot add anything to it..
[02:03] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: when they start :)
[02:04] <ryanakca> Jucato: didn't think so... I can't kill it...
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: week / month ? any idea ?
[02:04] <xsacha_> ryanakca: sudo killall kicker ? :S it should have had error before though
[02:04] <ngb__> Hello!
[02:04] <ryanakca> xsacha_: tried it
[02:04] <Jucato> wilberfan: just remove the Dock Application Bar, and use a new Panel instead
[02:05] <ubuntu_> dd
[02:05] <ubuntu_> hello
[02:05] <Jucato> Add New Panel -> Panel
[02:05] <ubuntu_> what is the command to autoupdate dapper to edgy
[02:05] <Jucato> !upgrade Homer
[02:05] <Jucato> !upgrade | Homer
[02:05] <wilberfan> But it gives me 5 options of panels...
[02:05] <ubotu> Homer: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:05] <ryanakca> good old kill -9, eh?
[02:05] <wilberfan> which kind do i want?
[02:05] <xsacha_> wilberfan: i think you want to right click on the panel -> panel menu -> add application to panel
[02:05] <Jucato> wilberfan:the plain "Panel"
[02:06] <ngb__> I installed the new kubuntu 6.10 and now I always get an error during boot which didn't appear with kubuntu 6.06:  ACPI: Invalid PBLK length [5] 
[02:06] <ngb__> has anybody noticed the same problem?
[02:06] <Jucato> xsacha_: he's trying to right-click on the "Dock Application Panel", which doesn't really have a purpose afaik..
[02:06] <Homer> so edgy is good stuff
[02:06] <wilberfan> What IS a dock app panel, then?
[02:06] <xsacha_> hmm i didnt get that..
[02:06] <ngb__> The system boots ok but I never see the splash screen during boot
[02:07] <Bubba_Gump> jmichaelx: nope
[02:07] <jmichaelx> Bubba_Gump: it's gonna be complicated lol
[02:07] <Jucato> xsacha_: there are different kinds of Panels that you can add: External taskbar, Panel, Dock Application Panel, Kasbar and Universal Sidebar
[02:07] <Bubba_Gump> heh aint that the truth :))
[02:07] <Jucato> I just haven't figured out what the "Dock Application Panel" does
[02:07] <wilberfan> right...  but i don't know what they're all for yet...  :-O
[02:07] <ngb__> It also happens booting from the CDs kubuntu and ubuntu 6.10. 6.06 work fine!
[02:08] <Homer> can I string all those commands together Jucato with "&&"
[02:08] <xsacha_> i thought he just wanted to add something to an existing panel
[02:08] <Homer> so that I don't have to be at the computer while it upgrades?
[02:08] <Jucato> Homer: just follow the directions in that page exactly and very careful. don't try to make shortcuts :)
[02:08] <Homer> :(
[02:09] <Jucato> xsacha_, wilberfan: "The Dock Application Bar is an external bar which lets WindowMaker applications be docked. Just run your dockable WindowMaker programs, if the Dock Application Bar is running, they will be automatically docked. "
[02:10] <Jucato> which means, basically useless if you don't have WindowMaker apps (whatever those are)
[02:10] <wilberfan> yeah...whatever those are...
[02:10] <wilberfan> Well, it's certainly been useless so far!!
[02:11] <wilberfan> OK...I can add a new  --plain--panel, and it shows up at the bottom just above the main panel...   How do I move it somewhere else>?
[02:11] <wilberfan> i don't want two panels on top of each other at the bottom...
[02:11] <xsacha_> drag it, or use the black arrow to the top left of it (when you hover mouse over it)
[02:11] <Jucato> wilberfan: just drag it
[02:12] <Jucato> xsacha_: err?
[02:12] <wilberfan> Ah....ok...I got it dragged....
[02:12] <Jucato> xsacha_: talking about panels, not panel applets :P
[02:12] <xsacha_> the options menu for panel..
[02:12] <xsacha_> Panel Menu :P
[02:12] <wilberfan> Can I resize it?  make it disappear, etc??
[02:12] <Jucato> wilberfan: right-click -> Configure Panel
[02:13] <wilberfan> standby...
[02:14] <wilberfan> i only see options for the MAIN panel...  not the new one i created...
[02:14] <xsacha_> yeah
[02:14] <xsacha_> the configure panel uses the main panels options
[02:14] <wilberfan> so how do i customize this new side panel...?
[02:15] <wilberfan> ???
[02:15] <Jucato> ok this is not right...
[02:15] <xsacha_> lol
[02:15] <Jucato> I think I need to have a talk with some people....
[02:15] <wilberfan> about....?
[02:15] <Jucato> wilberfan: fast solution: Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol"
[02:15] <xsacha_> bug
[02:16] <wilberfan> so i've been battling a BUG?!
[02:16] <Jucato> not really a bug....
[02:16] <xsacha_> wilberfan: go to the kcontrol and choose Settings for: Panel
[02:16] <wilberfan> but WHICH panel...?
[02:16] <Jucato> but yeah. sort of
[02:16] <xsacha_> in Panels
[02:16] <xsacha_> kcontrol->Desktop->Panels->Settings for: Panel
[02:16] <Jucato> wilberfan: there will be a dropdown list at the very top, allowing you to choose which panel
[02:17] <flaccid> you there DaSkreech??
[02:17] <Jucato> Lam_: sorry I wasn't able to get back to you.
[02:17] <wilberfan> OK...i got kcontrol going...  and, yes, i can see how i can adjust things there for that side panel...
[02:17] <jonathan__> g
[02:17] <seishinbyou> 
[02:17] <jonathan__> yo
[02:18] <jonathan__> how do I upgrade dapper to edgy
[02:18] <Jucato> Lam_: to change the first page that Konqi loads at startup, you have to open that page, close all other tabs and save the profile
[02:18] <wilberfan> why can't i right-click tho...is that the 'bug'?
[02:18] <xsacha_> !upgrade > jonathan__
[02:18] <Hawkwind> !upgrade | jonathan__
[02:18] <ubotu> jonathan__: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:18] <jonathan__> !upgrade
[02:18] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:18] <seishinbyou> Upgrade to edgy?  I tried, but a clean install worked so much better in the end
[02:18] <jonathan__> thanks
[02:18] <jonathan__> why what happened
[02:18] <Jucato> ohayou seishinbyou! still can't see the japanese texts. I probably need to look which fonts install it
[02:18] <seishinbyou> The "upgrade" crapped out halfway through leaving a partial install
[02:18] <jonathan__> eww
[02:18] <Hawkwind> jonathan__: Lots of changes in Edgy from Dapper.  A fresh install is highly recommended
[02:19] <jonathan__> !releases
[02:19] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:19] <Lam_> Jucato: that's ok. i figured it out. thanks anyways
[02:19] <seishinbyou> Something about my leftover files in (somewhere)/scim
[02:19] <jonathan__> where do I download ISO?
[02:19] <Hawkwind> !download
[02:19] <ubotu> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[02:19] <Jucato> err..
[02:19] <Jucato> not those
[02:19] <Hawkwind> Hmmmm
[02:19] <Hawkwind> We need to change that
[02:19] <Jucato> jonathan__: http://www.kubuntu.org
[02:19] <Jucato> Hawkwind: you do the honors :)
[02:19] <xsacha_> we need a kubotu in here
[02:20] <Hawkwind> xsacha_: Why ?  ubotu can do everything we need him to do
[02:20] <xsacha_> kubotu would be ubotu with everything ubuntu replaced by kubuntu
[02:20] <jonathan__> so edgy is hot
[02:20] <jonathan__> ?
[02:20] <jonathan__> what upgraded in it
[02:20] <cave> hmm
[02:20] <Jucato> xsacha_: ubotu's replies can be setup to show kubuntu related stuff only in #kubuntu
[02:20] <cave> im just running edgy for the 1st time
[02:21] <Jucato> jonathan__: *lots* :)
[02:21] <jonathan__> it is better then dapper?
[02:21] <cave> and installing it
[02:21] <wilberfan> thanks for the help, dudes and dudettes
[02:21] <cave> certainly looks prettier
[02:21] <jonathan__> ooo
[02:21] <jonathan__> pretty
[02:21] <jonathan__> I downloading it now
[02:21] <cave> heh
[02:21] <seishinbyou> I was finally able to get aiglx working when I did a clean install of edgy
[02:21] <jonathan__> KOffice 1.6 included?
[02:21] <seishinbyou> OO
[02:21] <cave> openoffice :(
[02:21] <jonathan__> OOOO AIGLX
[02:21] <jonathan__> prettyness
[02:22] <jonathan__> I want Krita it's good stuff
[02:22] <cave> the new default theme kind of reminds me of vista tough... ugh :P
[02:22] <jonathan__> lol
[02:22] <Jucato> jonathan__: you have to add the special repo for KOffice 1.6
[02:22] <seishinbyou> Krita is here, yep
[02:22] <jonathan__> so the new development version is called "fiesty fawn"?
[02:22] <xsacha_> yes
[02:22] <Jucato> seishinbyou: not 1.6 by default
[02:22] <cave> hahah
[02:22] <cave> awesome
[02:22] <cave> ill look foward fo fiesty
[02:22] <Hawkwind> !download
[02:22] <ubotu> Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[02:22] <seishinbyou> No, "flatulent ferret"
[02:22] <cave> best name ever
[02:23] <xsacha_> :)
[02:23] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Better :P
[02:23] <jonathan__> who come up with naming conventions
[02:23] <jonathan__> shuttleworth himself?
[02:23] <LjL> yes
[02:23] <Hawkwind> jonathan__: Yes
[02:23] <Jucato> sabdfl decides in the end :)
[02:23] <seishinbyou> About Vista though, I still point out that there are people on this planet, for whatever reason, that really like the Vista interface.  I don't understand it, either
[02:23] <seishinbyou> At least there was more colour and less grey
[02:23] <cave> i vote next one shall be called gaudy gopher
[02:24] <xsacha_> i like the vista interface, but in vista.. i dont like when people use vista themes on linux :S
[02:24] <cave> yea
[02:24] <TheHighChild> Has anyone had trouble with their fstab after an upgrade to Edgy?
[02:24] <jonathan__> I think the vista theme is better then the fisher price theme in windows xp though
[02:24] <seishinbyou> Heh, or Mac OSX?
[02:24] <jonathan__> I want to stab myself everytime I see it
[02:24] <cave> its just like when people make mac os visual styles for windows
[02:24] <Hawkwind> TheHighChild: Define trouble
[02:24] <cave> with the apple logo in place of the windows flag on the start button
[02:24] <cave> ...just.. ugh
[02:24] <jonathan__> lol
[02:25] <seishinbyou> One of the parttimers here has his XP desktop with tons of widgets and graphic overhauls to make it look like OSX
[02:25] <cave> fire him
[02:25] <cave> :p
[02:25] <seishinbyou> He's one of the only ASP.NET monkeys around here, though :/
[02:25] <TheHighChild> Hawkwind: well, I had a disk with 2 partitions mounted through there and now they are commented out with some additional stuff and says it was changed by edgy. I no longer have /sda devices in my /dev either
[02:25] <xsacha_> yeah i wanna puke when they put the logo on another os..like mac logo on winxp or vista logo on linux
[02:25] <seishinbyou> Or Winxp on MacOSX
[02:26] <jonathan__> sadly
[02:26] <Hawkwind> TheHighChild: I do know fstab now uses the UUID stuff.  I'm not very familiar with it at all but maybe Jucato can shed some light on it
[02:26] <jonathan__> one of the most popular themes for kde
[02:26] <redtricycle> Hrm, is there any documentation on bluetooth problems in the livecd for edgy?
[02:26] <jonathan__> is aqua
[02:26] <jonathan__> heh
[02:26] <cave> someone should make a windows skin for linux just for the sake of it :p
[02:26] <jonathan__> the have it
[02:26] <xsacha_> they have cave :S many
[02:26] <jonathan__> kde-look.org
[02:26] <xsacha_> many many many
[02:26] <cave> with the crappy default luna skin
[02:26] <jonathan__> yup
[02:26] <flaccid> its called redmond
[02:26] <cave> and the green start button
[02:26] <Jucato> !UUID | TheHighChild
[02:26] <ubotu> TheHighChild: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid"
[02:26] <cave> redmond is win95 :S
[02:27] <flaccid> yes it is
[02:27] <Ahmuck> it's done for it people so they can run linux and it looks like windows :-)
[02:27] <TheHighChild> thanks Jucato, will check it out
[02:28] <seishinbyou> Funny, I thought that was what "PCLinux" was for, or marketed as
[02:28] <xsacha_> check out the ugly themes that get downloaded the most: http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=down  i have no idea why they get d/led so much -- any clues?
[02:28] <flaccid> yeah i get sick of people wanting linux to look and operate like windows. the position of the start button and it actually being labelled start was so important to someone i nearly spewed.
[02:28] <Jucato> TheHighChild: just for reference, the commented lines above each UUID line in fstab is the /dev equivalent of that UUID line
[02:28] <TheHighChild> Jucato: This looks like jibberish to me. Are there supposed to be all these numbers?
[02:29] <Jucato> TheHighChild: yes
[02:29] <cave> i can understand tough, people get used to things
[02:29] <cave> personally i tried moving my taskbar to the top cause i tought it looked cooler
[02:29] <cave> couldnt bring myself to use it that way tough
[02:30] <cave> it was like my whole world was upside down :p
[02:30] <Jucato> TheHighChild: for example, /dev/hdxx would have a UUID=sadfsadffasgsgadfadffsblahblahblah
[02:30] <TheHighChild> Jucato: Do you know if there is a way to reconfigure it? It doesn't seem to list all of my paritions.
[02:30] <Jucato> TheHighChild: which doesn't list all your partitions? fstab or blkid?
[02:30] <TheHighChild> blkid
[02:30] <Jucato> hm... strange, it lists all of mine...
[02:31] <TheHighChild> Jucato: I just need to access them and don't know how. All my music is on them ;) I'll see what I can dig up on the forums
[02:31] <TheHighChild> it looks malformed
[02:32] <Jucato> TheHighChild: it's not malformed. think of UUID as a sort of hard disk fingerprint
[02:32] <TheHighChild> does fstab still function?
[02:32] <Jucato> TheHighChild: when you make an entry in fstab, just substitute the usual /dev/hxx for the UID of that partition
[02:33] <Jucato> yes fstab still functions
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: you can use LABEL= (instead of the horrible looking uuid's) if you wish (see man fstab)
[02:33] <Homer> !windows
[02:33] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[02:33] <Homer> lol
[02:33] <Homer> !vmware
[02:33] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[02:33] <xsacha_> should change that to kubuntu's? :)
[02:34] <Homer> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde
[02:34] <Jucato> xsacha_: all *butus share the same repos
[02:34] <xsacha_> but it might confuse some people..
[02:34] <admin__> i upgraded from dapper to edgy the other day, now when i want my lcd to turn off it just will turn off after 2 minutes (like i set it), then after about 2 minutes 10sec, a X screensaver comes on with an X, how do i get rid of it? I never set it
[02:34] <Jucato> xsacha_: nah :)
[02:34] <flaccid> nah Homer, kubuntu doesn't have gnome
[02:34] <Homer> lol
[02:35] <h3sp4wn> When is grumpy groundhog coming though (that will be interesting if it is as the original spec said)
[02:35] <Homer> grumpy groundhog?
[02:35] <Jucato> TheHighChild: btw, you can also see the UUID of individual /dev/hdxx or sdxx with this command "sudo vol_id -u /dev/hd##" (substitude the hd## or sd##)
[02:35] <Homer> I'm seeing a pattern here
[02:35] <admin__> i upgraded from dapper to edgy the other day, now when i want my lcd to turn off it just will turn off after 2 minutes (like i set it), then after about 2 minutes 10sec, a X screensaver comes on with an X, how do i get rid of it? I never set it
[02:36] <Homer> next letter in alphabet, adjective + name of animal
[02:36] <Homer> hmm
[02:36] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: grumpy groundhog is/was the name of a sort of testing release a long time ago
[02:36] <xsacha_> Homer: how do you explain hoary hedgehog?
[02:36] <Jucato> something like a Debian Sid, afaik
[02:36] <Werdna> I upgraded from dapper to edgy, and now my wireless card (using ndiswrapper) doesn't work.
[02:36] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: No - it is supposed to be the always unstable branch
[02:36] <Jucato> xsacha_: they decided to go alphabetical starting with Dapper
[02:36] <admin__> Werdna: are you ising brodcom 4318?
[02:36] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: (with the interesting stuff in it)
[02:36] <xsacha_> :P
[02:36] <admin__> *using
[02:36] <Werdna> admin__: nope, NG WG121
[02:36] <Homer> xsacha_: I don't know!
[02:37] <TheHighChild> I think things are looking good now. THanks for the help jucato and the other gent
[02:37] <admin__> no one knows my screensaver issue?
[02:37] <xsacha_> what's next? gregarious goat?
[02:37] <Homer> cool
[02:37] <Jucato> xsacha_: gonna skip G and H
[02:37] <admin__> they already have the name of the next *buntu
[02:37] <xsacha_> ignited ibis? lol
[02:37] <admin__> forgot it though
[02:37] <Homer> interesting insect
[02:37] <Jucato> Feisty Fawn
[02:38] <admin__> yeah that one
[02:38] <xsacha_> admin_ that's feisty fawn, but we mean one after
[02:38] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: like fedora rawhide (is how I read it - all the svn stuff built daily)
[02:38] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: yeah. don't know if Grumpy still exists though
[02:38] <Lam_> gregarious goat would be freakin wicked
[02:38] <Lam_> makes you want to try it
[02:38] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: It has been listed as high priority for ages
[02:39] <Jucato> heh
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> suppose it cannot have been that high priority or it would be done by now
[02:42] <word> what's the kde equivalent to 'gnome-open' ?
[02:42] <Jucato> what's gnome-open?
[02:43] <word> Jucato: something suggested in the operabrowser page in the ubuntu wiki..it doesnt say what to do for kde
[02:43] <flaccid> kcmshell i think
[02:43] <word> is it kcm-shell or kcmshell?
[02:43] <flaccid> maybe not
[02:43] <word> i think it is..
[02:44] <Jucato> what wiki?
[02:44] <Alter-Ego> does grub autodetect or kubuntu autodetect new os and install them into grub ?
[02:44] <method|> im trying to install edgy right now and i'm at the partitioning part where i have to indicate where the root partition "/" should go. After I select where the root partition should go and hit continue the stupid installer tells me: "No root file system". But i have clearly indicated where i want the root partition to go. What should I do?
[02:44] <Jucato> hm... hold on...
[02:44] <word> oh kfmclient
[02:44] <Jucato> yeah
[02:44] <Jucato> kfmclient
[02:44] <word> it's default for it heh that's why the wiki page doesn't say a kde way lol..
[02:44] <flaccid> kfmclient thats it
[02:44] <xsacha_> i like kfmclient :)
[02:44] <flaccid> nice one
[02:44] <Jucato> kcmshell is for kcontrol stuff :)
[02:44] <xsacha_> kfmclient exec /
[02:44] <flaccid> i used to use that with opera, but don't have to anymore
[02:45] <flaccid> ah yeah
[02:45] <Alter-Ego> method|: have you labeled the partition as /
[02:45] <Jucato> kfmclient = konqueror...
[02:45] <method|> Alter-Ego: yes
[02:45] <xsacha_> yes
[02:45] <method|> this is ridiculous
[02:45] <xsacha_> method|: would that be extended partition you are trying to make as root partition?
[02:46] <admin__> as some know, i upgraded to edgy other day, i cant figure why this happens, but i have my lcd set to turn off after two minutes, and it does. But then after about 10 sec. later, a screensaver with X comes on. I have no idea where those settings are, nether gnome or kde have a X screensaver
[02:46] <method|> xsacha: it's the partition that has dapper on it
[02:46] <flaccid> manual for kfmclient suggest to use kfmclient exec file:/root/executablefile
[02:46] <xsacha_> method|: is it an extended partition or primary?
[02:46] <method|> xsacha_: primary
[02:46] <flaccid> admin__: i got the x screensaver too now
[02:46] <Alter-Ego> !grub
[02:46] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:46] <xsacha_> hmm, that's odd
[02:47] <admin__> flaccid: its really annyoing me
[02:47] <flaccid> dang
[02:47] <admin__> screensavers imo are retardedly pointless on a lcd
[02:47] <admin__> (its my laptop)
[02:48] <Jucato> rawr... I dawdled too long.. :(
[02:48] <xsacha_> your screensaver is all off admin__? in Desktop->ScreenSaver ?
[02:48] <flaccid> hmm he went
[02:49] <flaccid> i'm on a notebook too hehe
[02:49] <xsacha_> was off by default for me :S
[02:49] <starpause> i'm following the 6.10 upgrade instructions @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades and get errors on the first step (sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop), anyone have time to see if they're critical and i should resolve them?
[02:49] <Jucato> I'm on a padpaper... :P
[02:49] <flaccid> starpause: i'm afraid that is to update ubuntu
[02:49] <flaccid> not kubuntu
[02:49] <flaccid> !upgrade
[02:49] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:50] <starpause> flaccid: thanks much!
[02:50] <Homer> oh crap
[02:50] <Homer> the iso just finished downloading
[02:50] <Homer> and I released I just dl'ed ubuntu and not kubuntu
[02:50] <flaccid> fdoving: you alive ?
[02:50] <sync350> quick question... I use Serpentine Audio CD creator, and it made a working MP3 CD fine, but won't make a CD compatable with regular CD players, such as on stereo systems and most car audio systems.  It only works on the ones that support MP3's, and thats not that many :( any ways to get it to work on regular CD Players?
[02:50] <xsacha_> that's good? :)
[02:50] <xsacha_> oh lol
[02:50] <starpause> flaccid: ah, but ... i have ubuntu installed but am runing kde ... should i do that kubuntu upgrade or the ubuntu one?
[02:50] <Homer> my ISP is gonna be pissed at me
[02:51] <method|> starpause: alot of people are having problems upgrading. i suggest a clean install
[02:51] <Jucato> sync350: Serpentine? that's on #ubuntu right?
[02:51] <xsacha_> Homer: i d/l about 20 gigs last day of month just to piss off my isp
[02:51] <flaccid> either starpause, but also upgrade kubuntu-desktop meta-package
[02:51] <Homer> they limit me to 20 gigs
[02:51] <Homer> :(
[02:51] <xsacha_> yes but on last day of month ;)
[02:51] <sync350> Jucato: It's on my kubuntu distro, is there a KDE app similar?
[02:51] <Homer> lol
[02:51] <Homer> adelphia too?
[02:51] <starpause> method|: ah, jacked ... i thought a benefit of linux was you could always fix it :)
[02:51] <Jucato> sync350: you made an MP3 CD or an Audio CD?
[02:52] <xsacha_> no, different country :P
[02:52] <Jucato> sync350: k3b (CD Burning app)
[02:52] <sync350> Jucato: apparently it was an MP3 CD, I was wondering how to get it to make an Audio C
[02:52] <sync350> CD*
[02:52] <starpause> flaccid: ok, thanks ... will see how the link you gave works
[02:52] <sync350> aight i'll try that, thanks :p
[02:52] <Homer> I think it's 20 gb at 10mbps and then it automatically lowers your speed to 512kbps till the end of the month
[02:53] <flaccid> starpause: there is an error on the kubuntu wiki page. step 6 should be apt-get -u dist-upgrade | grep ^' ' | xargs apt-get -y install
[02:53] <xsacha_> oh mine doesnt automatically lower my speed.. and they never drop speed on last day of month -- if you were capped you get full speed for last day
[02:53] <Jucato> sync350: you need to install "libk3b2-mp3" to be able to make k3b handle mp3's. then make an Audio CD project
[02:53] <sync350> alright, thank you :)
[02:54] <coreymon77> how do i install jre for firefox?
[02:54] <starpause> flaccid: ah, i don't get that far ... on step 3 i get an error:       http://rafb.net/paste/results/Yx0c0p60.html
[02:55] <coreymon77> how do i install jre period
[02:55] <method|> is automatix for edgy safe?
[02:55] <flaccid> starpause: you have a breezy repos in your sources: http://packages.freecontrib.org breezy
[02:56] <LjL> !automatix
[02:56] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[02:56] <flaccid> starpause: remove that or change to edgy?
[02:56] <flaccid> starpause: is this dapper to edgy?
[02:56] <sync350> yayayay its working... thanks jucato! :D
[02:56] <starpause> flaccid: 6.06 to 6.10 is my plan
[02:56] <Jucato> sync350: you were able to burn an Audio CD that works on CD players?
[02:56] <method|> is there a wiki for edgy yet that explains how to install java, mp3 codecs, video codecs, fonts, etc?
[02:56] <Jucato> flaccid: PLF is down
[02:56] <flaccid> starpause: take out the breezy source then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:57] <sync350> well, its burning, so thats at least a start :P
[02:57] <method|> or does the same methods apply for edgy from dapper?
[02:57] <flaccid> PLF?
[02:57] <Jucato> flaccid: freecontrib
[02:57] <Jucato> method|: same methods
[02:57] <flaccid> starpause: take out the breezy repos from your sources.list
[02:57] <Jucato> take them out! take them out!! :P
[02:58] <xsacha_> lol breezy repos
[02:58] <starpause> flaccid: ok, thanks, trying
[02:58] <flaccid> breezy is leaving the building
[02:58] <starpause> flaccid: but i don't see breezy at all in my sources.list
[02:58] <flaccid> breezy aint LTS?
[02:58] <Jucato> no
[02:59] <flaccid> cool
[02:59] <Jucato> just a regular 18 months support release
[02:59] <xsacha_> packages.freecontrib.org breezy
[02:59] <Jucato> it's kinda not logical to have another LTS release while another one is still existing...
[02:59] <starpause> flaccid: my bad, it is, under "for Java and w32codecs" ... should i comment those lines out or swtich beezy to edgy there?
[03:00] <flaccid> true Jucato. only m$ can do that
[03:00] <Jucato> lol
[03:00] <Jucato> starpause: take them out or comment them
[03:00] <flaccid> starpause: change the edgy. if the repos don't exist when you update, then comment out those lines
[03:00] <flaccid> the=to
[03:00] <Jucato> !plf
[03:00] <ubotu> PLF is the Penguin Liberation Front. For more info see: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf. PLF is down indefinitely pending a new maintainer; see http://plf.zarb.org/. see also !seveas
[03:00] <flaccid> ah
[03:00] <Jucato> emphasis on the "is down indefinitely"
[03:01] <flaccid> dang!
[03:01] <flaccid> anyone reported issues starting opera 9.1 on edgy?
[03:01] <starpause> flaccid, Jucato: thanks, that worked. had to comment the lines out
[03:02] <flaccid> coolio
[03:02] <Jucato> flaccid: can't even install it from edgy-commercial (it's still empty)
[03:02] <flaccid> install what sorry
[03:03] <Jucato> opera
[03:04] <sync350> wow, it plays funny ass music when it finishes burning :p
[03:04] <sync350> brb testing cd
[03:04] <flaccid> the one i'm talking about is the snapshot from the opera desktop team
[03:04] <shadowhywind> anyone know how to put a process on a second cpu (duel core)
[03:04] <Jucato> flaccid: aah that.. nope. sorry...
[03:04] <flaccid> new fraud protection test release
[03:04] <flaccid> i just rolled back
[03:05] <flaccid> no biggy..
[03:05] <xsacha_> grr this is annoying whenever i extract, for example: test.tar.gz and i choose extract to /test it will put the files in: /test/test/ but i choose extract here it just puts them all right there without the extra /test
[03:05] <Jucato> xsacha_: using CLI or Ark?
[03:05] <xsacha_> Ark
[03:05] <xsacha_> cli works fine
[03:06] <Jucato> hm... does the archive already have a test/ folder in it?
[03:06] <xsacha_> no
[03:06] <Jucato> that would be strange then....
[03:06] <xsacha_> thats why when i extract 'here' it puts all the files with the .tar.gz
[03:06] <xsacha_> without the extra /test dir, but extract into /test puts it into /test/test/
[03:07] <campbch> hmm...
[03:07] <xsacha_> oh well back to konsole :)
[03:07] <Jucato> dang! I forgot my tea.. now it's a bit lukewarm.. :(
[03:07] <Jucato> oops... wrong channel...
[03:07] <campbch> normally, if i were to get a .tar.gz file, unpack it, and try to compile... where would i look as to what to compile? make all isn't standard, i guess... will there be some sort of script?
[03:07] <flaccid> i just got a beer myself
[03:07] <campbch> i have gcc, and all tha
[03:07] <campbch> t
[03:07] <campbch> dard package
[03:07] <campbch> OpenPKG / OpenPKG Project 	Standard package
[03:07] <campbch> ?
[03:07] <Jucato> flaccid: please, no pizza :)
[03:08] <campbch> thats another thing
[03:08] <xsacha_> campbch: ./configure first, then make all, then make install
[03:08] <campbch> alright
[03:08] <xsacha_> but what is the package first, it isnt in reps?
[03:08] <campbch> no rule to make target all
[03:08] <xsacha_> you configured first?
[03:08] <campbch> yep
[03:09] <xsacha_> just do "make"
[03:09] <campbch> ./configure, screens went by
[03:09] <xsacha_> what package is it?
[03:09] <Jucato> campbch: no errors?
[03:09] <campbch> no target specified
[03:09] <sync350> yay it works, thanks agian Jucato
[03:09] <duane> hey there's a command to configure font settings. it's something like dkpg-reconfig fontconfig anyone know the exact syntax?
[03:09] <Jucato> sync350: no problem :)
[03:09] <xsacha_> is there a Makefile in that directory? sounds like configure had an error
[03:09] <duane> nm i got it
[03:09] <campbch> it says "no" after a lot of the output for the ./configure, is that normal?
[03:10] <xsacha_> yes, it's just what it says at the end
[03:10] <campbch> because there are manymany programs, too many to install individually
[03:10] <duane> actually know i dont
[03:10] <duane> anyone know what im talking about?
[03:10] <flaccid> hehe Jucato
[03:10] <campbch> oh glib2
[03:10] <duane> it's something like dkpg-reconfig fontconfig anyone know the exact syntax?
[03:10] <campbch> glibc*
[03:11] <xsacha_> glibc is the error?
[03:11] <xsacha_> i dont thing kubuntu comes with compiler and everything setup
[03:11] <duane> it doesnt
[03:11] <Jucato> campbch: install "build-essential"
[03:11] <campbch> i have build-essential
[03:12] <campbch> i checked for glibc, theres a compatability package i'll check
[03:12] <coreymon77> anyone know what the firefox plugins directory is?
[03:12] <Lam_> coreymon77: should be ~/.mozilla/plugins
[03:13] <Homer> !dnf
[03:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dnf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:14] <campbch> ok, it's still saying that glib2 is not found...
[03:14] <Jucato> campbch: what are you trying to compile?
[03:14] <admin__> ugh, i got my lcd to not display the screensaver with the X, but now even though i told it to turn off, it will turn off but leaves baclight on
[03:15] <xsacha_> is there a chance that libglib2.0-0 is actually not installed campbch?
[03:15] <campbch> libglib2.0.0, -data and -dbg are all installed
[03:15] <xsacha_> admin__ does: xset dpms force off    turn your backlight off?
[03:16] <campbch> it's wireshark
[03:16] <campbch> the package name
[03:16] <admin__> xsacha_: yup :)
[03:16] <Jucato> campbch: it's in the repos
[03:16] <campbch> is it?...
[03:16] <Jucato> !wireshark
[03:16] <ubotu> wireshark: network traffic analyzer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.3a-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 545 kB, installed size 1528 kB
[03:16] <campbch> :o which repos?
[03:17] <xsacha_> component universe
[03:17] <Homer> kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[03:17] <campbch> ?...... what's the line i should add to sources?
[03:17] <Homer> shouldn't it be i686?
[03:17] <Jucato> campbch: universe
[03:17] <campbch> ive got universe
[03:17] <campbch> and it isn't showing
[03:17] <Jucato> campbch: you just need to enable universe
[03:17] <campbch> do i need edgy? it says edgy in that line
[03:17] <seishinbyou> !ethereal
[03:17] <ubotu> ethereal: dummy upgrade package for ethereal -> wireshark. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.3a-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 20 kB, installed size 60 kB
[03:17] <campbch> i don't have edgy :(
[03:17] <Jucato> campbch: ahyoure one dapper?
[03:17] <Jucato> hold on
[03:17] <xsacha_> it shows it for me
[03:18] <harleypig> Can anyone tell me of a program that can discover what the horizontal and vertical refresh rates of my monitor are?
[03:18] <Jucato> ah not in Dapper, I'm afraid...
[03:18] <Jucato> !wireshark dapper
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wireshark dapper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:18] <harleypig> Or at least how to find out what type of monitor it is so I can search for it?
[03:18] <harleypig> X.log is reporting it as a generic monitor.
[03:18] <campbch> grr
[03:19] <campbch> to the more important thing, it seems like it won't build anything... ive not yet successfully built from source, why is this?
[03:19] <xsacha_> perhaps you need to set your directory for glibc
[03:19] <campbch> i follow all instructions, and something always goes wrong... why is it telling me that glib2 is not installed? i have build-essentials ANDi made sure that all glib packages are installed
[03:20] <campbch> how do i set directories for something like that? i dont even know where to find it
[03:20] <b0ysc0ut> anybody having problems with pictures with edgy eft?sometimes they look with green edges
[03:22] <xsacha_> campbch: does it show you the dir it is looking for glibc is?
[03:22] <Alter-Ego> !make
[03:22] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:23] <Alter-Ego> !repositories
[03:23] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:23] <duane> opera isn't in the repos?
[03:23] <Hawkwind> duane: It's not open source
[03:23] <duane> oh yeah
[03:23] <duane> i always forget about that
[03:23] <Hawkwind> duane: There are opera repos though
[03:23] <duane> i'll just d/l from opera.com
[03:24] <Hawkwind> deb http://deb.opera.com/opera etch non-free
[03:24] <Hawkwind> Even though it's a Debian repo, it is quite safe to use on Ubuntu
[03:24] <Alter-Ego> !build
[03:24] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:24] <Jucato> Hawkwind: I'd prefer to use your repo, if it's made for Ubuntu :)
[03:24] <neoncode> Is it possible to open a windowed X-sesson and log on as a diffrent user with the whole GUI and everthing inside that window?
[03:24] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Heh.  I don't have one for Edgy yet though :(
[03:25] <kjelderg> neoncode: yup
[03:25] <Jucato> Hawkwind: well, what are you still doing here, then? get to work! :P
[03:25] <neoncode> kjelderg: How do you do it?
[03:25] <Jucato> xephyr or xnest...
[03:25] <kjelderg> neoncode: you'll want to look into using Xnest, probably
[03:25] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Yessir boss!
[03:25] <Hawkwind> Hah
[03:25] <kjelderg> yeah, I guess xephyr can probably do that too...I've always done xnest
[03:26] <xsacha_> Xgl :1 --scren 1024x768
[03:26] <xsacha_> screen*
[03:26] <xsacha_> :P
[03:26] <kjelderg> heh, neverr thought of that application of Xgl ...
[03:26] <kjelderg> xsacha_: good call :)
[03:27] <xsacha_> then you have to set DISPLAY:=1 and start kde in it or whatever you want
[03:27] <aib> i just intalled EE and tried automatix2. it thinks i am running some other version of ubuntu and closes...
[03:27] <LjL> !automatix
[03:27] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[03:28] <aib> fantastic
[03:29] <Jucato> aib: you might want to ask in #automatix
[03:29] <xsacha> lol! it works with X as well, but erm no --screen
[03:30] <ruisu> hi, anyone knows how to change hour format to 12 hrs?
[03:30] <aib> thanks. also, is it supposed to be necessary to go to System settings > Users & Groups to "set" the root password, given that you need the root password to set the root password?
[03:30] <kjelderg> xsacha: but X proper will start in a new X session...what he wants is for something to start in the same x session
[03:30] <aib> it doesn't work from the konsole otherwise
[03:30] <kjelderg> (like xnest, not like X)
[03:30] <xsacha> yeah, ok, well Xgl does that :)
[03:31] <kjelderg> yeah, that's what I was complimenting :)
[03:32] <aib> also, running any gui app from the command line off of a default install results in X server errors. e.g., `Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server'
[03:32] <duane> is there a wiki on how to enable beryl + aiglx on edgy?
[03:32] <kjelderg> duane: check beryl's wiki and in #beryl
[03:32] <kjelderg> (not an ubuntu issue)
[03:32] <aib> also, am I supposed to have to change settings in sources.list just to install software on apt-get? it seems that simple things like firefox should be available by default
[03:32] <Jucato> !aiglx | duane
[03:32] <ubotu> duane: AIGLX (Accelerated Indirect GLX) is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Head to #ubuntu-xgl for support.
[03:33] <kjelderg> ruisu: System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Country/Region & Language-> Time & Dates
[03:33] <Jucato> aib: firefox can be installed without haveing to make changes in sources.list (*if* "main" is enabled already)
[03:33] <kjelderg> aib: xhost + from the user who owns the X session
[03:34] <kjelderg> aib: it would be dangerous to let other users display run X things on an X display usually
[03:34] <ruisu> yes, ive seen this sccreen, but there is a way of telling to be 12 hour format?
[03:35] <kjelderg> ruisu: press shift+f1 and click on "Time Format: "'s box
[03:35] <ruisu> ooh, thanks :)
[03:35] <Homer> !flash
[03:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:35] <kjelderg> anytime
[03:35] <Homer> !flash9
[03:35] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[03:35] <aib> jucato, what about emacs? pretty much everything i've tried off of default installs is not available by default
[03:35] <kjelderg> !ubotu
[03:36] <shadowhywind> anyone around that could help with a duel core problem?
[03:36] <duane> !mp3
[03:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:37] <Jucato> aib: emacs is in main as well
[03:37] <aib> jucato, is main supposed to be on by default? it's not!
[03:37] <Jucato> aib: it is
[03:37] <xsacha> yeah it is by default
[03:38] <aib> the first thing i do on a new system is type `apt-get install emacs' or `yum install emacs'. i always have to edit sources.list first on kubuntu
[03:38] <xsacha> aib: try update?
[03:38] <Jucato> aib: dapper or edgy?
[03:38] <aib> edgy
[03:38] <kjelderg> doesn't it come with vim?
[03:38] <Jucato> well it's enabled by default on Edgy
[03:38] <Jucato> kjelderg: ssssh! don't mention vim to an emacs user :P
[03:38] <Homer> does edgy have a better version of adept?
[03:38] <Jucato> Homer: no! :P
[03:39] <xsacha> when i type in "emac" into adept i get a list of about 100 emacs packages lol
[03:39] <aib> i don't have anything against vim, except that when i find myself in it, the only way i can find out of it is `pkill vim' :)
[03:39] <xsacha> yes Homer, apt-get :)
[03:39] <kjelderg> but vim allows you to do vim -c "% s /dapper/edgy/g" -c "wq" /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:39] <xsacha> aib: try :q
[03:39] <duane> how do I install libxine-extracodecs on edgy
[03:39] <duane> it tells me that there is no installation package or someting
[03:39] <aib> kjelderg, so does sed/bash :)
[03:39] <Jucato> !multiverse | duane
[03:39] <ubotu> duane: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:40] <Jucato> duane: you need to enable multiverse
[03:40] <duane> i have multiverse repos enabled
[03:40] <kjelderg> aib: true enough...but vim is prettier
[03:40] <kjelderg> something like that
[03:41] <aib> alright, so i'm installing things like firefox via apt-get, and they aren't showing up under gui menu, e.g., Internet
[03:41] <kjelderg> haven't really needed another editor since I learned how to use vim reasonably
[03:41] <kjelderg> it's funderful
[03:41] <Jucato> in Edgy, it should (automatically)
[03:41] <kjelderg> but not for everyone
[03:41] <Jucato> definitely not for me
[03:41] <Jucato> aib: is it finished installing?
[03:42] <aib> jucato, yes
[03:42] <xsacha> firefox32 never went to my menu list, but then again..
[03:42] <kjelderg> Jucato: yeah, definitely made only for strongly keyboard users, I'd say
[03:42] <Jucato> and still not in K Menu -> Internet?
[03:42] <aib> it's not, nope
[03:42] <Jucato> kjelderg: I'm a keyboard user :P
[03:42] <aib> i did nothing funky
[03:42] <Jucato> aib: try this command in Konsole to update the menu: kbuildsycoca --incremental
[03:43] <kjelderg> Jucato: then what's not to like about vim?  learn a few hundred keybindings and suddenly you're flying through edits :)
[03:43] <xsacha> few hundred? :P
[03:43] <Jucato> kjelderg: when I face a text editor, I want to actually focus on editing/writing text, not on thinking about a dozen or more keybindings and commands
[03:44] <kjelderg> doesn't take long before they are second nature
[03:44] <kjelderg> and then ... soo much faster than any other editor I have ever used
[03:44] <Jucato> I do use keyboard shortcuts a lot, but I have very limited mental RAM to memorize all of those
[03:44] <Jucato> I prefer to use my memory for more important stuff :)
[03:44] <Jucato> like pr0n... lol j/k
[03:45] <kjelderg> lots of RAM here
[03:45] <Jucato> kjelderg: read carefully what I typed: "mental RAM"
[03:45] <kjelderg> exactly
[03:46] <kjelderg> takes a bit of it to recall the exact applications and configurations of all of these
[03:46] <aib> this is not good http://pastebin.ca/230079
[03:46] <Jucato> aib: no those are ok. check your K Menu again
[03:46] <kjelderg> kompose helps me a bit, though, in case I leave and come back and can't remember where some'n' or other is
[03:47] <aib> my Xorg.0.log shows that X is searching fruitlessly for /dev/wacom . i don't have a wacom tablet...
[03:47] <aib> (this is not as bad as fedora enabling bluetooth services by default!)
[03:47] <kjelderg> then get the entry out of the xorg.conf
[03:47] <Jucato> aib: yes. just ignore it. it's in the xorg.conf
[03:47] <Jucato> by default
[03:47] <aib> firefox shows up now! yay
[03:48] <Jucato> harmless (but probably annoying) error messages
[03:48] <flaccid> !baddevice aib
[03:48] <Jucato> errr you forgot the > or | flaccid
[03:49] <flaccid> !baddevice | aib
[03:49] <ubotu> aib: If you are getting errors similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", then please read this page: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[03:49] <flaccid> dang
[03:49] <aib> i am getting those, thanks. my xorg.conf is terrible! this stuff shouldn't be default, i think. not that many people have wacom tablets
[03:49] <felixjet> how can i set up the CDROM to be showed always on the desktop? i need to make it auto mount at start'
[03:49] <shadowhywind> anyone know of a command to see if i am running 2 cpus or not?
[03:50] <Jucato> aib: they're not for wacom tablets only. also for those pointer thingies on laptops
[03:50] <Jucato> I forgot what they're called
[03:50] <aib> shadowhywind try `cat /proc/cpuinfo'
[03:50] <kjelderg> felixjet: used to be in the configure desktop system
[03:51] <Jucato> shadowhywind: Ctrl+Esc ?
[03:51] <felixjet> kjelderg: where?
[03:52] <Jucato> felixjet: the CD-ROM icon only shows up if a CD is actually in the drive
[03:52] <kjelderg> huh, sure enough
[03:52] <shadowhywind> that seamed to work alib, i guess my system program thing doesn't work
[03:52] <shadowhywind> it doesn't recongize my second CPU
[03:52] <kjelderg> (Configure Desktop -> behaviour -> device icons)
[03:52] <kjelderg> but it only has entries for when a CD is in
[03:53] <kjelderg> and I don't see unmounted cd here
[03:53] <felixjet> but if no CD, how can i make show the CD ?
[03:53] <felixjet> auto-mount in fbstab?
[03:53] <kjelderg> wonder why ubuntu changed that
[03:54] <kjelderg> anyone know offhand why ubuntu took that option out?
[03:54] <kjelderg> was useful for ejecting...
[03:55] <Jucato> kjelderg: are you sure it's Kubuntu that took it out?
[03:55] <shadowhywind> any ideas why linux would only show my 2 cpus as 1
[03:55] <kjelderg> it's in my freebsd, gentoo, and openbsd boxes
[03:55] <kjelderg> I would guess it's kubuntu
[03:56] <Jucato> kjelderg: what version of KDE are they running?
[03:56] <kjelderg> it's even in my developer svn versions which has had no custom configurations from the tree itself
[03:56] <kjelderg> ranging from 3.4.1 to 4-prealpha
[03:56] <kjelderg> (every release and several snapshots)
[03:56] <Jucato> kjelderg: it might have been removed in KDE 3.5.5
[03:56] <Jucato> let me ask
[03:58] <kjelderg> it could have been done in 3.5.5, this is my only 3.5.5 box...but I don't see why kde would make the change
[03:59] <kjelderg> any idea?
[03:59] <Jucato> aside from "eject",what other use does having an Unmounted CD icon the desktop have?
[03:59] <kjelderg> mount
[03:59] <Kiongku> hmm
[03:59] <kjelderg> eject and mount are all I use it for
[03:59] <Jucato> it's automounted when a CD is put in
[03:59] <Jucato> so scratch the mount part
[04:00] <kjelderg> in kubuntu, yes
[04:00] <kjelderg> but that's why it would more likely be a kubuntu mod than a kde one
[04:00] <Jucato> in KDE 3.5.5 probably also
[04:00] <Kiongku> i can see the icon in storage devices..
[04:00] <kjelderg> freebsd, for instance, no automount
[04:00] <kjelderg> regardless of what kde version
[04:01] <Jucato> well, when people in #kde ask about mounting problems, they're usually told to check if pmount is installed. so I'm guessing that it's a given on most Linux systems
[04:01] <Kiongku> this channel here is about kubuntu.. so what does fbsd do in here?
[04:01] <kjelderg> several of the kde devs (myself included) run freebsd as a primary OS and try to guard against linuxisms
[04:01] <Jucato> I'm not familiar with with *bsd so Ic can't comment
[04:01] <Jucato> s/Ic/I
[04:01] <Kiongku> .. lol
[04:01] <kjelderg> Kiongku: it's a discussion of whether or not kubuntu made a certain modification
[04:01] <Kiongku> kjelderg: k k
[04:02] <kjelderg> so a contrasting OS is a definite valid point
[04:02] <kjelderg> bah ... wonder why this is acting so funny...my konversation is really slow on updating the chat window area
[04:02] <kjelderg> wonder if it gets any faster if I /clear
[04:02] <kjelderg> nope
[04:02] <Jucato> kjelderg: looks like Kubuntu did  remove it :P
[04:02] <Kiongku> hmm
[04:02] <kjelderg> heh
[04:02] <Jucato> kjelderg: I'll ask them later
[04:02] <Kiongku> ur pc hates kubuntu.. got fbsd addicted
[04:02] <kjelderg> no way to eject, huh?
[04:03] <kjelderg> this is a work machine so I'm stuck is linux
[04:03] <kjelderg> (work doesn't let me use other things ... *mumble*)
[04:03] <Kiongku> haha
[04:03] <aib> thanks for the tips
[04:03] <Jucato> no way to eject?
[04:03] <Jucato> press the eject button. if a CD is in, the icon will show up. and you can right-click?
[04:04] <kjelderg> but, if there is no cd in, no icon
[04:04] <kjelderg> some cd drives don't have an external button
[04:04] <kjelderg> they have to resort to the CLI?
[04:04] <Jucato> they don't have external buttons?
[04:05] <kjelderg> I've seen a few
[04:05] <Jucato> O_O
[04:05] <Jucato> I wonder why?
[04:05] <kjelderg> a bunch of macs were that way, for instance
[04:05] <kjelderg> and had a software button on the keyboard
[04:05] <cpk2> whats the CLI to close the cd tray?
[04:05] <kjelderg> but i've seen several PCs with those in them
[04:06] <kjelderg> cpk2: I just push on the cd drive :p
[04:06] <soundmaster80> i have installed k9copy and now KDE will not start....what is the command to completely remove K9copy with the extra dependancies it installed?
[04:06] <kjelderg> probably some param for eject
[04:06] <seishinbyou> woot, or something.  VMWare is alive and well and sucking all resources known to man
[04:06] <Jucato> kjelderg: you can still go to media:/
[04:06] <Jucato> er.. or the sidebars
[04:06] <kjelderg> eject -t , cpk2
[04:06] <cpk2> its ejact -t to clsoe it
[04:06] <cpk2> haha
[04:06] <kjelderg> Jucato: I suppose
[04:06] <cpk2> eject even
[04:07] <Kiongku> who is the idiot who did not put external buttons on a cd drive tsk tsk that man has gone insane
[04:07] <xsacha> lol no externel buttons? :S
[04:07] <kjelderg> Kiongku: ask apple?
[04:07] <xsacha> the external buttons dont work if you dont have user permissions on it anyway
[04:07] <kjelderg> I've seen a few "smooth face" drives at lan parties...maybe 4 or so
[04:07] <kjelderg> they tend to curse at them a lot
[04:08] <Kiongku> kjelderg: ... half eaten apples..
[04:08] <felixjet> mmmmmmmmmmmmmm people i want opinion in one thing
[04:09] <Kiongku> having only one user (me) on my pc makes user permissions very easy :p
[04:09] <kjelderg> felixjet: go for it!
[04:09] <felixjet> im planing to use and create theres for a desktop tools like superkaramba, gdesktop... i've try some but im not happy with ram consume :( 20-50mb
[04:10] <felixjet> which is the best in ur opinion?
[04:10] <xsacha> ouch 20mb? :(
[04:10] <felixjet> theres = theMes*
[04:10] <felixjet> ya
[04:10] <Kiongku> felixjet: how much ram u got?
[04:10] <felixjet> 20mb when i open it. some hours later around 40
[04:10] <felixjet> 512 only :( xD thats why i take care
[04:10] <Kiongku> duh
[04:10] <xsacha> konqeuror uses 65MB when i am not using it, lol
[04:10] <xsacha> memory leak or something
[04:10] <felixjet> ya, kubuntu need improves in system resources
[04:11] <xsacha> i also have 512MB
[04:11] <Kiongku> u might go windows "evil" if u want.. it will not care about ur ram, it will crash
[04:11] <felixjet> i have tons of apps that consume 20mb+
[04:11] <kjelderg> my superkaramba (2 running for ages) says 22m, but 15m shr
[04:11] <xsacha> close one of them and replace with desktop tools?
[04:11] <kjelderg> so that's only 7m non-shared memory
[04:12] <kjelderg> 7m isn't so bad, I wouldn't say
[04:12] <felixjet> kwin: 17mb, kopete 47mb, konversation 25mb, knotify 15mb, kmix 15mb, kicker 30mb...
[04:12] <xsacha> you're counting shared felixjet?
[04:12] <felixjet> i think yes xsacha
[04:12] <felixjet> VmRss
[04:12] <xsacha> well that's not bad
[04:12] <kjelderg> felixjet: how much of those are SHR?
[04:12] <felixjet> shr ?
[04:12] <kjelderg> I'd think most of konv, kmix, kicker, knotufy would be shared
[04:13] <kjelderg> (kdelibs are big, but only need be loaded to MEM once and are SHR by all the processes using it
[04:13] <felixjet> what is SHR, im a noob yet :P
[04:13] <kjelderg> )
[04:13] <MaKaTiGuY> hello guys
[04:13] <MaKaTiGuY> jucato !
[04:13] <kjelderg> felixjet: shared memory
[04:13] <Jucato> hi MaKaTiGuY! long time! :)
[04:13] <xsacha> felixjet: the applications share the same memory, so the actual memory it is using for itself is actual not as high as the figures show
[04:13] <felixjet> ya but how to see how many SHR
[04:13] <kjelderg> felixjet: it means that the process running has loaded that much memory out of shared libraries
[04:14] <kjelderg> felixjet: should be in top
[04:14] <dude_> jucato !
[04:14] <dude_> :)
[04:14] <Jucato> ngak
[04:14] <kjelderg>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S PU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[04:14] <Jucato> lol
[04:14] <kjelderg> 28840 kjelderg  15   0 91688  34m  24m S  3.6  3.9  18:25.68 amarokapp
[04:14] <Jucato> dude_: never knew you were the same guy :P
[04:14] <kjelderg> so you see from that that amarokapp is 34M, but only 10M unshared, the other 24 can be used by other apps that use the same library
[04:14] <felixjet> nope
[04:15] <dude_> jucato: one person, 2 minds hehehe
[04:15] <Jucato> hah
[04:15] <felixjet> NAME, PID, USER, SYS, NICE, Vm, VmRss, ACESS, ORDEN
[04:15] <felixjet> just that
[04:15] <kjelderg> this is why when one uses a desktop environment, theer's a huge advantage to stick in one toolkit ... like konqy instead of firefox if using kde
[04:15] <dude_> jucato: 4getit
[04:15] <Kiongku> kjelderg: i prefer firefox for its addons
[04:15] <kjelderg> huh, weird...that's what top says, felixjet?
[04:15] <felixjet> Process Table
[04:15] <dude_> jucato: :) tagay na lang hehehe
[04:15] <xsacha> use top felixjet
[04:16] <felixjet> this is Ksysguardd btw
[04:16] <Jucato> dude_: hahah! sige ba! :P
[04:16] <kjelderg> felixjet: type top in a terminal
[04:16] <kjelderg> Kiongku: what's wrong with konqy's powerful addon system?
[04:16] <felixjet> oh
[04:16] <felixjet> didnt know that n_n
[04:16] <Kiongku> kjelderg: cant get used to it :P.. i'm firefox addicted..
[04:16] <dude_> jucato: when?
[04:16] <kjelderg> Kiongku: to each his/her own I guess
[04:17] <Kiongku> kjelderg: yap..
[04:17] <Jucato> dude_: maybe some other time. last time I drank, I got the flu afterwards
[04:17] <kjelderg> I can't stand ff in X ... can't paste into the tab bar, can't remap shortcuts easily, doesn't respect XF86Forward and XF86Back, handles horizontal scroll reasonably
[04:17] <kjelderg> oodles of others
[04:17] <dude_> jucato: practice pare....
[04:17] <felixjet> 15   0 73800  25m  16m S    1  5.1   1:17.60 konversation
[04:17] <Jucato> dude_: it's been a long time :P
[04:18] <kjelderg> can't even paste in non-text-entry areas to navigate
[04:18] <felixjet> Res 25m SHR 16mb
[04:18] <felixjet> that mean only 16 right?
[04:18] <kjelderg> felixjet: there, so 16m shared (includes kdelibs and such) and noly m that can't be shared
[04:18] <felixjet> the other 11 is maybe from other app
[04:18] <kjelderg> 9m *
[04:18] <felixjet> or viceversa? 11user and 16shared
[04:18] <felixjet> used*
[04:18] <kjelderg> 16 shared, 9 unshared
[04:19] <felixjet> oh
[04:19] <felixjet> one thing more i know :)
[04:19] <kjelderg> the difference is whether the code comes from a so (shared object) or not
[04:19] <kjelderg> not sure how familiar you are with computers...
[04:19] <xsacha> of course, there could be nothing else using that shared object..
[04:19] <felixjet> i am, but i never used linux heh
[04:19] <kjelderg> but shared libraries are a way to take large shared code sources and make them only need be loaded once in RAM, but can be used by any number of applications
[04:20] <kjelderg> felixjet: this isn't a linux concept at all
[04:20] <kjelderg> all major multiuser OS have them
[04:20] <kjelderg> linux, aix, *BSD, windows, macos, solaris, etc...
[04:21] <Kiongku> OSx..
[04:21] <kjelderg> (note this excludes things like palmos as they are not multiuser/multitasking)
[04:21] <soundmaster80> i have a problem that X starts and I get a login page. I login and get a black screen then taken right back to KDE login screen
[04:21] <soundmaster80> any suggestions/
[04:21] <felixjet> so, taking less care about ram. what desktop tool is the best for u? gdesktop? superkaramba? other?
[04:21] <kjelderg> superkaramba seems to work for me?
[04:21] <kjelderg> I don't use gdesktop as I don't like to use g*
[04:22] <felixjet> i got installed gdekstop by default with kubuntu/kde lol
[04:22] <felixjet> i was like wtf xD
[04:22] <kjelderg> heh
[04:22] <starpause> i've run into an error upgrading to edgy 6.10, doing step 4 of the KubunuUpgrade wiki ... anyone have time to look at my error?
[04:23] <starpause> sorry for pasting across lines ... error @ http://rafb.net/paste/results/KJNQEQ78.html
[04:23] <Kiongku> gtg bye everyone
[04:23] <Jucato> bye Kiongku
[04:24] <kjelderg> maybe apt-get install openoffice.org-writer
[04:24] <starpause> kjelderg: that spits the same errors at me
[04:25] <kjelderg> well that's not ideal...
[04:25] <kjelderg> I fear I've gotta go, but I'm sure someone knows
[04:25] <starpause> kjelderg: hehe ... thanks for taking a peek, bye!
[04:25] <fdoving> starpause: doublecheck /etc/apt/sources.list manually 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' from konsole.
[04:26] <starpause> fdoving: what should i check my list against?
[04:26] <fdoving> starpause: check that there is no 'dapper' entries anywhere. they should be changed to 'edgy'... 'dapper-security' becomes 'edgy-security' and so on.
[04:27] <starpause> fdoving: alright, that's done, no dapper anywhere
[04:27] <fdoving> starpause: ok, can you paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to a paste page?
[04:27] <starpause> fdoving: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jjxlNp56.html
[04:30] <Furesho> is there STILL no ff2 package yet?
[04:31] <Jucato> !firefox edgy
[04:31] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0+0dfsg-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 9001 kB, installed size 28588 kB
[04:31] <fdoving> starpause: replace it with: http://rafb.net/paste/results/gOrwtq92.html and start from step 3 on the upgrade page.
[04:31] <Furesho> O_O
[04:31] <fdoving> good night.
[04:31] <starpause> fdoving: thank you!
[04:31] <Jucato> hi frodo! I mean fdoving :)
[04:32] <Jucato> I meant, "bye"
[04:32] <Furesho> wait..... so i have to update my kubuntu to edgy to get it?
[04:32] <xsacha> Frode?
[04:32] <Jucato> Furesho: ah you're on Dapper? well, you don't have to... maybe it will be backported... (maybe)
[04:33] <Furesho> ...............
[04:33] <soundmaster80> could anyone help me. I can start X however upon logging in I get a cursor for a minute and then i'm taken back to the login screen
[04:33] <Jucato> Furesho: better ask in #ubuntu if it will be available in Dapper
[04:33] <Furesho> more linux lessons to learn and love
[04:33] <Furesho> nah. i'll just ask here how to upgrade kubuntu to edgy
[04:33] <Jucato> xsacha: I'm just teasing him :)
[04:33] <Jucato> Furesho: prepare yourself :)
[04:33] <Jucato> !upgrade | Furesho
[04:33] <ubotu> Furesho: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[04:34] <xsacha> hmm how do you get a lnix website? :P
[04:34] <Furesho> *sigh*.... i've heard horror stories.
[04:34] <Furesho> wish me luck
[04:34] <starpause> i just replaced my sources.list as suggested and am still getting the same error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/KJNQEQ78.html
[04:34] <xsacha> dont worry, if upgrade stuffs up you can just format and then install edgy clean
[04:34] <xsacha> lol
[04:34] <Jucato> lol
[04:35] <Jucato> Furesho: soon, you'll be writing horror stories of your own :)
[04:35] <Furesho> huh? official way? do i do the method on that page, or on the link to the official way on that page?
[04:35] <Jucato> Furesho: just the KubuntuUpgrade would be ok
[04:43] <Furesho> aaalright. interruption's over with... wish me luck!
[04:45] <momal> how can i find out why a package might be breaking the install
[04:45] <momal> where can i get like an error output to why its going to break
[04:45] <Jucato> momal: try installing the package with apt-get
[04:46] <BonBonTheJon> any one know how to change the hover effect for items in the task bar
[04:47] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: what do you mean?
[04:47] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: I have a dark image for the background of the kicker, when I go over a program it puts a solid grey box around the entry
[04:48] <momal> hmmm what can i do if libglut3-dev will break and it wants something that will also break and the 3 things it wants break as well >_<
[04:48] <Jucato> ah in the taskbar? right-click panel -> Configure Panel -> Taskbar -> Appearance. (choose one of the 3)
[04:49] <Jucato> momal: what are you trying to install?
[04:50] <momal> Jucato: I need a file called XVlib.h (to compile beryl with vidcap) and person from #beryl said i needed libglut3 but it wants to break >_<
[04:50] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: its not there
[04:50] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: the one that has: Elegant, Classic, Transparent
[04:51] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: err yeah.. sorry
[04:51] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: :)
[04:51] <Jucato> I think you have to configure the color for Button Background in Syste Settings -> Appearance -> Color
[04:52] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: ok, I'll look, thanks
[04:52] <Jucato> momal: hm... sorry I'm out of ideas...
[04:53] <^V^> Hi, does anyone know what I need to add to /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to allow access from the LAN (without login) ?
[04:53] <momal> Jucato: thanks anyway seem i got it now had to get a different dev package ^^
[04:59] <Kr4t05> I have a problem with Amarok.
[04:59] <Kr4t05> For some reason, despite having all of the codecs installed, Amarok refuses to play mp3s.
[05:00] <Jucato> *all*? you only need libxine-extracodecs...
[05:00] <Kr4t05> Jucato: You know what I mean.
[05:00] <Jucato> and make sure amarok is using xine engine
[05:00] <Kr4t05> Jucato: Yep
[05:00] <Jucato> hm.. does it play on XMMS?
[05:00] <momal> check if other programs will let you play mp3s
[05:01] <Kr4t05> I don't have XMMS, but Songbird plays MP3s fine.
[05:01] <Jucato> hm..strange...
[05:03] <Fresh> problems already....    cp: target '/etc/apt/sources.list' is not a directory
[05:04] <Fresh> so that meeeeeans...?
[05:04] <Kr4t05> sources.list is a file
[05:04] <Kr4t05> You want to copy it to /etc/apt/
[05:04] <Ahmuck___> is there a way to throttle the down speed of ktorrent
[05:04] <Kr4t05> and then rename it.
[05:04] <Kr4t05> Ahmuck___: Check the settings, there is something there.
[05:04] <Ahmuck___> i am working on downloading ubunter server edition and ktorrent is working so well that it is litterely disconnecting me
[05:05] <BonBonTheJon> how do I control the panels individually
[05:06] <esaym> where does automatix install the firefox java plugin at??
[05:06] <Fresh> well, i'm just followin instrucs. you see, i typed --> cp /etc/apt/sources.{list,list.bak} sed -i s/dapper/edgy/g /etc/apt/sources.list     .....and got that message above as a result
[05:07] <esaym> well if anyone knows, pm me the answer cause I am going to sleep
[05:07] <Kr4t05> Okay, so XMMS plays mp3s, but Amarok, JuK and several apps refuse such action.
[05:07] <Kr4t05> I have libxine-extracodecs installed.
[05:08] <cpk2> what do you guys use to rip audio cds?
[05:08] <cpk2> Kr4t05: you have libxine-extracodecs installed?
[05:08] <Kr4t05> cpk2: Just said that, yes.
[05:09] <cpk2> and you are telling amarok to use xine?
[05:09] <jahhan> cpk2: I usually use the Audio CD browser under services (in the sidebar) of konqueuror
[05:09] <Kr4t05> cpk2: Yes
[05:09] <soundmaster80> so i suppose no one has an answer for my problem?
[05:10] <Dr_willis> i dident even see a problem..
[05:10] <soundmaster80> when i login i get a black screen and then sent back to login screen
[05:10] <cpk2> soundmaster80: you are incredibly patient =P
[05:10] <Fresh> .....
[05:10] <Fresh> !edgy
[05:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[05:10] <soundmaster80> LOL, probably but i've asked the same question for about an hour now....i'm sorry :)
[05:10] <Dr_willis> soundmaster80,  sounds like either a video card issue. or a messed up setting issue.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> soundmaster80,  what video card ya got?
[05:11] <soundmaster80> nvidia 6600
[05:11] <soundmaster80> i have a friend breathing down my neck over it
[05:11] <soundmaster80> mind you, X starts
[05:11] <Dr_willis> as a test, create a new user, and see if it works for the newly made user.
[05:11] <Homer> hey if I wanna install Ubuntu and then install KDE
[05:11] <soundmaster80> i get a KDE login screen. but past that nothing
[05:11] <Homer> will the work right?
[05:11] <xsacha> yes
[05:11] <Fresh> hmmm.... that ain't the right page
[05:12] <Dr_willis> if that works - that imples your .kde settings are messed up.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> if that dont work.. well.. you have installed the actual nvidia drivers yet?
[05:12] <soundmaster80> ok, how do i tell him to create a user from CLI?
[05:12] <Dr_willis> sudo adduser bgates
[05:12] <xsacha> useradd
[05:12] <Kr4t05> Does anyone happen to know how I can get amarok to cooperate?
[05:12] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:12] <Dr_willis> useradd? adduser? i forget..
[05:12] <xsacha> adduser
[05:12] <soundmaster80> yeah, he has installed nvidia drivers
[05:13] <xsacha> but on my CRUX distro adduser doesnt exist, gotta use userass
[05:13] <soundmaster80> been using it for a few days
[05:13] <xsacha> add*
[05:13] <Dr_willis> xsacha,  heh . i got both.. never noticed that befor.
[05:13] <momal> /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession <-- check that file exists and has a bunch of stuff in it soundmaster80 | that was my problem awhile ago and it was that.. the file was empty
[05:13] <xsacha> yeah both on kubuntu :)
[05:14] <soundmaster80> no, it has a bunch of stuff
[05:14] <momal> hmm well i guess that rules then problem out :p
[05:15] <momal> when you try to login what happens
[05:15] <soundmaster80> yeah,lol, he gets a black screen as if the splash screen was about to come up then is taken right back to the login screen
[05:15] <cellofellow> anyone had trouble getting kde-guidance to upgrade?
[05:15] <cellofellow> and hpijs?
[05:16] <soundmaster80> the only thing he can think of is he installed k9copy
[05:16] <Dr_willis> soundmaster80,  that wont affect anything.
[05:16] <soundmaster80> i doubt that's it but i'll put it out there for what it's worth
[05:16] <soundmaster80> i didn't think so
[05:16] <Dr_willis> the newuser has same issue eh?
[05:16] <soundmaster80> i'll check with him
[05:16] <soundmaster80> i have just SSH and phone to him
[05:17] <Kr4t05> Anyone have any advice for an Amarok that won't play mp3?
[05:17] <Dr_willis> heh..
[05:17] <Dr_willis> have him install irssi, so he can use the console and get to us> :)
[05:17] <soundmaster80> we're trying
[05:18] <momal> lol.. umm Kr4t05: try removing amarok all together then reinstalling it.... might have some configureation problem or something (prob wont fix but try it anyhow :p) what version of amarok is it as well ?
[05:18] <xsacha> !mp3
[05:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:18] <xsacha> it doesnt come with ability to play mp3, that must be d/led seperate
[05:19] <momal> yea he has extra codecs installed
[05:19] <momal> and other players are playing mp3s
[05:19] <xsacha> oh
[05:19] <xsacha> all other players play it? that's odd
[05:19] <xsacha> i'd understand if just xmms..
[05:19] <xsacha> cause it uses something different
[05:20] <momal> hmm what other players are palying mp3's Kr4t05?
[05:20] <Kr4t05> momal: 1.4.3, I upgraded to 1.4.4 to fix it.
[05:20] <momal> arr ^_-
[05:20] <Kr4t05> momal: Songbird and XMMS
[05:20] <Homer> xmms uses it's out playback engine
[05:20] <Homer> xmms uses it's own playback engine
[05:20] <Kr4t05> O
[05:20] <xsacha> yes
[05:21] <momal> strange after installing japanese language set some programs still use english text :S
[05:21] <soundmaster80> no, it does the same thing
[05:21] <momal> like default kde apps that is
[05:22] <xsacha> when i installed kubuntu and opened amarok, it told me it wouldnt be able to play mp3s unless i downloaded this extra package -- it then gave me a link to download this other package, downloaded and installed it for me
[05:22] <Kr4t05> momal: didn't work.
[05:22] <momal> strange
[05:22] <Dr_willis> soundmaster80,  ok.. how about a diffrent test then.. lets have him kill the KDM service. ( sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop       )
[05:23] <soundmaster80> that doesn't help, he's restarted everytime
[05:23] <Dr_willis> this is a test.. follow with me.. :)
[05:23] <soundmaster80> ok
[05:23] <Dr_willis> after killing kdm, on the console.. have him make a .xinitrc file.
[05:23] <soundmaster80> ok
[05:23] <Dr_willis> echo "startkde" > .xinitrc   (he should do this from his users home dir)
[05:24] <Kr4t05> Y'know what? I quit.
[05:24] <Dr_willis> THEN he can try 'startx'
[05:24] <soundmaster80> well, dang...kinda
[05:24] <fingster> who am I
[05:24] <Dr_willis> if it starts/fails/crashes he should get some  messages in the console.
[05:24] <soundmaster80> i called his phone and his wife told me he went to bed :)
[05:24] <xsacha> you are Kevin Fingster
[05:24] <Dr_willis> lol
[05:24] <momal> Kr4t05: try starting amarok via konsole then try play an mp3 and have a look at the konsole output
[05:24] <soundmaster80> i'll hear about this tommorow though
[05:24] <fingster> Thanks
[05:24] <Dr_willis> soundmaster80,  drive over there and smack him around...
[05:24] <momal> AHAH
[05:25] <Dr_willis> or just yack with his wife for a few hrs...
[05:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:25] <pa> hi
[05:25] <kolin> what is some good dvd burning software for linux
[05:25] <pa> just a quick question
[05:25] <soundmaster80> OH DON"T WORRY....that thought has crossed my mind several times
[05:25] <kolin> having some problems with k3b
[05:25] <fingster> k3b
[05:25] <Dr_willis> kolin,  i burn data dvd's with k3b
[05:25] <kolin> downloaded a dvd in iso from
[05:25] <kolin> saying it isn't a iso9660 and the dvd fools up
[05:25] <soundmaster80> thank you Dr. willis....i'll probably have to deal with this later
[05:25] <pa> i just bought an ide dvd burner along with an usb external case to use with my laptop
[05:25] <Dr_willis> soundmaster80,  heh :)
[05:25] <xsacha> kolin: dvd+rw-tools
[05:25] <fingster> k3b is good enough
[05:25] <Kr4t05> momal: no konsole feedback, Amarok just says "Some media cannot be loaded: Not Playable"
[05:25] <kolin> then the md5 thing happens
[05:25] <pa> under windows, the drive works at full speed
[05:26] <momal> weird that error to me sounds like its an invalid mp3 file
[05:26] <pa> under ubuntu it runs under ohci instead of ehci
[05:26] <kolin> dvd+rw-tools eh?
[05:26] <pa> so, really slow, and will fail most of the time
[05:26] <xsacha> yes kolin, that's what i use :)
[05:26] <Kr4t05> momal: An entire collection? That plays perfectly in XMMS and Songbird?
[05:26] <kolin> how do i use that?
[05:26] <kolin> is that a cli interface/
[05:27] <xsacha> xmms and songbird use somethign different -- amarok/juk and the rest need the codec
[05:27] <xsacha> yeah kolin, it's cli
[05:27] <momal> hmm... try reinstall the xine extra codecs
[05:27] <xsacha> not xine
[05:27] <xsacha> xine is for xmms, ..
[05:27] <terdinator> Anybody know how to trick ubuntu into thinking a directory is actually your CD-Rom, Is this possible through the mount command?
[05:27] <Kr4t05> momal: did that.
[05:27] <fingster> howto configure power manager to recognize my laptop's lid state?
[05:28] <momal> xsacha: really?? I used xine for amarok
[05:28] <xsacha> hm, maybe a setting
[05:28] <xsacha> !dvd+rw-tools > kolin
[05:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvd+rw-tools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:28] <kolin> how would i go about getting instructions for that
[05:28] <kolin> cause i don't even know how i would open it up in xterm
[05:28] <kolin> haha
[05:28] <xsacha> it's in repository kolin
[05:28] <kolin> i am a newb
[05:28] <xsacha> oh
[05:28] <kolin> i got it installed
[05:28] <kolin> at least that is what it says in adept
[05:29] <xsacha> kolin: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-write-burn-data-to-dvd-or-dvdrw.html
[05:29] <kolin> thank you very much
[05:29] <kolin> :)
[05:30] <terdinator> Can I mount a directory as my CD-Rom drive?
[05:30] <momal> kr4t05: im outta ideas... stay here for awhile someone that knows more wll surely help :)
[05:30] <xsacha> terdinator: mount /dev/hdc /the/directory
[05:30] <xsacha> might need -t iso9660
[05:30] <fingster> howto configure power manager to recognize my laptop's lid state?
[05:30] <waspy> i upgraded to edgy but now xmms does not want to load any more, any help?
[05:30] <kolin> xsacha: any idea what to use for compressing video and stuff like that to get from dvd9 to dvd5 with good quality?
[05:30] <Kr4t05> I hafta go to bed.
[05:30] <xsacha> hmm
[05:31] <Kr4t05> I'll check the forums tomorrow.
[05:31] <fingster> howto configure power manager to recognize my laptop's lid state?
[05:31] <xsacha> not sure kolin, find a format you like :)
[05:32] <kolin> well in windows i used to use the whole dvddecrypter/dvdshirnk and wahtnot
[05:32] <terdinator> sudo mount /dev/hdc /home/terdinator/Storage/CD1/ -t iso9660
[05:32] <terdinator> mount: No medium found
[05:32] <Dr_willis> terdinator,  you sure your cdrom is /dev/hdc ?
[05:32] <terdinator> Yea, it is in the Fstab
[05:33] <Dr_willis> the fstab dosent define where its at :)
[05:33] <terdinator> how can i double check then?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> its just a list of devices/mount points. If its in the fstab why dont you just ' mount /media/cdrom '
[05:33] <inteliwasp> can anyone help me get X going on my fresh install of edgy?
[05:34] <momal> you get any error inteliwasp?
[05:34] <xsacha> by the way, the -t goes after the mount, before the device
[05:34] <maltaethiron> any of you fine folks wanna tell me how to join a domain?
[05:34] <terdinator> Cause I dont physically have a disc, I just have a folder that I want to mount as disc
[05:34] <xsacha> sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom ?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> terdinator,  everything in linux is a file (or directory)
[05:35] <Dr_willis> terdinator,  you are confusing us however with that statement..
[05:35] <terdinator> I am sorry, let me explain what I am trying to accomplish
[05:36] <Dr_willis> That helps. :)
[05:36] <kolin> it isn't working out for me xsacha
[05:36] <terdinator> I am trying to trick an sh installer sequence to think I have a disc in the drive, but really I dont have a disc, just a directory
[05:36] <xsacha> kolin: growisofs?
[05:36] <kolin> haha...nevermind
[05:37] <kolin> thinki got it figured out
[05:37] <xsacha> :)
[05:37] <kolin> by the looks of that help file.  there is a lot this program can do
[05:37] <terdinator> My DVD Drive pooped out on my computer, I really want to play unreal tournament 2004 so I used my brothers PC to grab all the directories and linux installer off the unreal tournament 2004 DVD.
[05:37] <falenstaz> hey everyone......recently installed superkaramba and the themes that i downloaded (which i have to open with the OPEN button) i have to keep opening them everytime i restart my computer.....anyone know how i can do this automatiocally?
[05:38] <jontec> HEY! Quick! What's the restart command for apache2?
[05:38] <momal> apache2 -k restart
[05:38] <Dr_willis> terdinator,  thats trivial.. done it befor... copy all the contents of the  cd's to a dir.. cd to that dir.. run the installer.
[05:38] <Dr_willis> terdinator,  no mounting needed.. :)
[05:38] <xsacha> if it were a cd, you'd need to mount to a directory -- because you're not using a CD you've just saved yourself a step terdinator
[05:39] <terdinator> So I take all the CD directories, CD1,CD2,CD3.....ETC and dump them into one folder?
[05:39] <jontec> momal: no work T_T
[05:39] <Dr_willis> terdinator,  yep.. done that with several linux games befor.
[05:39] <jontec> isn't it something like a2en ro something like that?
[05:39] <momal> apache2 -k stop then run apache2 -k start
[05:39] <falenstaz> help anyone??
[05:39] <momal> not that i know of
[05:39] <momal> i just use apache2 -k restart
[05:39] <Dr_willis> terdinator,   ya may want to do some googleing.. with some installers ive had to set some variable/option to get them to do it.. (i think quake/doom4 had an issue)
[05:40] <jontec> -bash: apache2: command not found
[05:40] <jontec> that's not good. O_o
[05:40] <momal> strange... try this | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
[05:40] <momal> do you have apache2 or apache 1.3x
[05:40] <jontec> apache2
[05:40] <inteliwasp> he might be running apache 1.3
[05:40] <falenstaz> no superkaramba users?
[05:40] <falenstaz> hmm....
[05:40] <terdinator> Well the problem I will have with that is the different CD's have repeating folder names, Like CD1 will have "Textures" and CD2 will also have a "Textures" folder.
[05:41] <xsacha> shouldnt installer be checking for next cd?
[05:41] <jontec> lol. nvm.
[05:41] <terdinator> yea it is!
[05:41] <jontec> I was in ssh! O_O wrong session
[05:41] <maltaethiron> can anyone tell me how to add my machine to a domain?
[05:41] <terdinator> the installer is looking for the next CD
[05:41] <jontec> let's try that again
[05:41] <momal> yea te ut2004 dvd has all the folders labeled cd1-cd6.. the dvd version is the cdversion all on the 1 dvd
[05:41] <terdinator> the installer is looking for the next CD, but I dont have CD's I have directories on my hard drive
[05:42] <momal> maybe make an iso of the files?
[05:42] <momal> then moutn the iso
[05:42] <xsacha> but on the DVD, they are called CD1,CD2.. so it shouldnt have a problem finding them :S
[05:42] <jontec> okay. I think it worked
[05:43] <maltaethiron> anyone at all?  add machine to domain?
[05:43] <terdinator> The linux based installer "linux-installer.sh" does not seem to be smart enough to realize all the directories are right there for the taking, it wants Discs.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> there may be a updated installer.
[05:43] <xsacha> to create an iso file: mkisofs -r -o /tmp/var-example-disk1.iso /var/example
[05:43] <xsacha> and then mount it, try installer
[05:43] <Jucato> hm.. bash scripts...
[05:43] <inteliwasp> my computer is hanging just before x is supposed to start... and help?
[05:43] <Dr_willis> I recall this ages ago when that game was new. :)
[05:44] <terdinator> :D
[05:44] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  what video card.
[05:44] <terdinator> I cant wait for UT 2008!
[05:44] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: ati 8500 all-in-wonder (no i dont use the AIW crap)
[05:44] <terdinator> UT2007 I mean
[05:45] <Jucato> inteliwasp: it stops at the Kubuntu logo and progress bar over a black background?
[05:45] <momal> terdinator: type | export SETUP_CDROM=/location/to/ut2004/folder |
[05:45] <momal> then run the installer
[05:46] <kolin> xsacha: still there?
[05:46] <xsacha> yes
[05:46] <seishinbyou> UT2007?  Unit Tester 2007?
[05:46] <Jucato> lol
[05:46] <kolin> what does this mean:
[05:46] <kolin> :-? the LUN appears to be stuck writing LBA=310h, retry in 70ms
[05:46] <Jucato> Unreal Tournament :)
[05:46] <inteliwasp> yes, and i have tried the non quiet boot and it stops after the /etc/rc.init
[05:46] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  it does work.. :) IF the script is posix compliant. heh heh
[05:46] <seishinbyou> Oh, I know, I played the original
[05:46] <seishinbyou> Just having some after-lunch sillyness
[05:46] <Jucato> Dr_willis: a big *if* and, if turned to #!/bin/bash right?
[05:46] <terdinator> Ok, I am generating the ISO, how do I mount the ISO once it is created?
[05:46] <xsacha> never had that before :S ill check..
[05:46] <Jucato> seishinbyou: ooh just finished also :)
[05:46] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  you may want to install the real ati  (fglrx) drivers.. some cards have issues with the  'ati' free drivers
[05:47] <xsacha> terdinator: try what momal suggested above
[05:47] <kolin> thanks
[05:47] <kolin> it seems to be burning
[05:47] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  it 'should' work if changed to bash.
[05:47] <kolin> but that seem to pop up every noce and a while
[05:47] <Jucato> Dr_willis: big *if* and big *should* :P
[05:47] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  gee.. i also rember the big stink when the kernel wouldent compile under the new gcc
[05:47] <xsacha> kolin: do you have that disk being automounted?
[05:48] <xsacha> it shouldnt be mounted for the write
[05:48] <Jucato> Dr_willis: oh... that bad.. :(
[05:48] <kolin> will that screw up the write?
[05:48] <kolin> cause i think it is mounted
[05:48] <xsacha> :S
[05:48] <kolin> i don't know though
[05:48] <kolin> HRMMMM
[05:48] <kolin> cause it still seems to be burning
[05:49] <xsacha> it'll just bring up the warning if something else is using the disk i think.. but then it retries.. after too many retries it gives up
[05:50] <^V^> Does anyone know how to enable anonymous CUPS printer access over a LAN?
[05:50] <Dr_willis> ^V^,  i think the ubuntu wiki/forums have details.. also i got a link.. just a sec...
[05:50] <kolin> oh well
[05:50] <kolin> if it works it works
[05:50] <kolin> hahaha
[05:51] <xsacha> ^V^ go to your /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and you can change who is allowed to do what there
[05:51] <Dr_willis> ^V^,  http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2076      has a rant about CUPS and the stuff ubuntu did to it. :) its an interesting read.. but may take some looking to find the fix;s
[05:51] <terdinator> Hey Guys, I think your Export Cdrom command is working for my unreal tournament install
[05:52] <^V^> Thanks, I'll check it out
[05:52] <inteliwasp> has anyone noticed that the ati binary is 51MB?
[05:52] <robert_> whoever packaged ksmserver is going to hear me bitching about this when ksmserver dies, and I have to ctrl+alt+backspace x because of it
[05:52] <xsacha> inteliwasp: get the version specifically for Xorg: it's like 8MB
[05:52] <inteliwasp> xsacha: where?
[05:52] <xsacha> the version you are talking about includes it for multiple versions of Xorg and for Xfree86..
[05:52] <Jucato> robert_: that again? haven't you filed a bug report yet? or tried asking the devs about it?
[05:52] <xsacha> it's on the official webpage, same page as the 51MB binary
[05:53] <cellofellow> Anyone else had trouble upgrading kde-guidance from dapper to edgy? that's the only problem package I've had.
[05:53] <yonkeltron> dude...i has kubuntu fix the firefox scrollbar bug and now firefox looks wierd....is there some way i can reverse this?
[05:53] <robert_> Jucato: I will, but I'm in the middle of some things atm :/
[05:53] <momal> terdinator: thats good ^^
[05:53] <Dr_willis> bug? hmm
[05:53] <inteliwasp> xsacha: all i see is the driver and the install for xfree86 ans xorg
[05:53] <Dr_willis> !ati
[05:53] <Jucato> robert_: yet still have time to... um nvm...
[05:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:53] <jahhan> bleh, upgraded to edgy and ipkungfu broke. Now the other machines can't hit the Internet
[05:53] <xsacha> inteliwasp: the one for xorg..
[05:54] <inteliwasp> xsacha: arg! it's an RPM
[05:54] <xsacha> yeah :P
[05:54] <terdinator> Is the "export SETUP_CDROM=" Native to Linux, or is it just a UT2004 command?
[05:54] <xsacha> and the "ATI Driver Installer" is actually 55MB.. :P
[05:54] <robert_> Jucato: I'm going to file a report when I get a moment, but I'm working on a deadline atm
[05:54] <cellofellow> Is there something wrong with the edgy ati driver?
[05:54] <Dr_willis> terdinator,  its a UT installer option.. :) mentioned in their docs
[05:55] <Jucato> robert_: well, better work on that deadline
[05:56] <momal> terdinator: ^_-... yea i was looking at installer problems for linux... it seems it might have to be done even when using the dvd. so just thought it might work if linked to the folder :)
[05:56] <kolin> ah well
[05:56] <kolin> didn't work
[05:56] <terdinator> Yea, the ISO idea definately would of worked, but the EXPORT_CDROM is going to be so much faster   =)
[05:58] <xsacha> kolin: make sure it isnt in fstab <-- it will automount
[05:58] <poseidon_> So what do you do when kwin dies?
[05:58] <kolin> where's fstab again?
[05:58] <xsacha> type in "kwin" poseidon_
[05:58] <cellofellow> kolin: xsacha's wrong, you can put noauto in the options and it won't.
[05:59] <cellofellow> kolin: /etc/fstab
[05:59] <poseidon_> "cannot connect to display".... from a vt
[05:59] <felixjet> for HD TEMP i need hddtemp package. what pack is for cpu and mem temp?
[05:59] <momal> arr if only linux could create blank dvd's for me lol... then i wouln't have to go out and buy some >_<
[05:59] <xsacha> probably want it auto later though, so just hash it
[05:59] <xsacha> quicker
[05:59] <fdoving> poseidon_: 'xhost local:'
[05:59] <kolin> alrigght
[05:59] <kolin> i got fstab open
[05:59] <kolin> what am i looking for?
[05:59] <terdinator> So what does the "export" command do that is built into my path?
[05:59] <xsacha> well, /dev/dvd or some variation
[06:00] <kolin> /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 iso9660  0 0
[06:00] <poseidon_> got another unable to open display... :/
[06:00] <kolin> #added by diskmounter utility
[06:00] <xsacha> hda mounts to /media/cdrom0??
[06:01] <kolin> fucked i know
[06:01] <kolin> hahaha
[06:01] <momal> export just makes the varible typed after in this case SETUP_CDROM to equal a value and the linux installer uses this value to find where the cd is
[06:01] <poseidon_> !kwin
[06:01] <ubotu> kwin: the KDE window manager. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 997 kB, installed size 3284 kB
[06:01] <fdoving> poseidon_: as the user running X, not as root.
[06:01] <cellofellow> kolin: weird. hda ought to be your hdd and hdc should be the optical.
[06:01] <xsacha> poseidon_: dont run it with sudo
[06:02] <kolin> anyways.  enough of this for tonight
[06:02] <kolin> thanks guys for the help
[06:03] <cellofellow> I'm using fluxbox atm, and when I scroll on the desktop, it changes desktops backwards. I scroll up, and it goes from desktop 1 to 4 instead of 2 like I expect.
[06:03] <cellofellow> Anyone know how to change that?
[06:04] <xsacha> isnt scroll down to desktop 2?
[06:04] <Dr_willis> its 'looping' i am guessing    1->2->3->4->1
[06:04] <Jucato> yes
[06:04] <cpk2> cellofellow: I expect it to go to desktop 2 when i scrool down
[06:04] <cellofellow> I meant the other way around. I'm backwards from the backwards.
[06:04] <poseidon_> niether work. they both get the same thing. X_X
[06:04] <Jucato> and it's a fluxbox setting
[06:04] <cpk2> scroll even
[06:05] <Dr_willis> rename the desktops :) lol
[06:05] <cellofellow> Jucato: duh, but which?
[06:05] <cpk2> haha
[06:05] <momal> k3b never burns at the speed it should :S... 8x DVD set to burn at 8X in a 16X burner only wants to burn at 3x :S... (my system specs are amd x2 4200, 2gb ram) so should be fine :S
[06:05] <Jucato> hm.. dunno. I use kwin :)
[06:05] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: that's not exactly what I was thinking.
[06:05] <cellofellow> Jucato: I usually do to, but my system's only 450mhz and things slow down.
[06:06] <xsacha> momal: i think that's something with k3b's backend.. the backend does that for me
[06:06] <Jucato> cellofellow: turn off the special effects and stuff? anyway, maybe there's a fluxbox setting for scrolling/switching desktops?
[06:06] <momal> ahh... hmm kinda bad though since its a really good program to quickly burn some files :p
[06:06] <poseidon_> ah, I got it back by use of the magic middle button and konsole :)
[06:06] <xsacha> i think it's setting a 'safe' speed.. but you should be able to override it
[06:07] <cellofellow> Jucato: I know the special effects should be turned off but I love the transparent windows. And kxdocker.
[06:07] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: no joy on xorg, but i did noticed i forgot that i commented out the "load dri" line
[06:07] <Jucato> hehhe
[06:09] <inteliwasp> Dr_wi
[06:09] <cellofellow> the only setting I see in fluxbox's init file is desktopwheeling true
[06:09] <Dr_willis> hmm.. i cant say that ive had to do tha tbefor.
[06:09] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: strange, i cant delete the comment...
[06:09] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  you are editing the file as root?
[06:10] <inteliwasp> yes, and now my terminal is going bonkers with restarting things
[06:10] <xsacha> what editor?
[06:10] <inteliwasp> vi
[06:10] <Jucato> O_O
[06:10] <xsacha> lol
[06:10] <momal> press insert then backspace or just delete
[06:10] <inteliwasp> brb
[06:11] <xsacha> :S
[06:11] <Jucato> I wonder if vi stood for EviL... :P
[06:12] <inteliwasp> the tty display is kinda odd in edgy...
[06:12] <xsacha> and what.. OO stands for gOOd? :P
[06:12] <Jucato> hahah gOOd one :)
[06:12] <xsacha> the konsole?
[06:13] <cellofellow> xsacha: looks like an emote with big eyes.
[06:13] <Jucato> actually, OOP stand s for pOOP
[06:13] <Jucato> XD
[06:13] <xsacha> oh
[06:13] <Jucato> my TTY looks normal...
[06:13] <seishinbyou> OpenOffice, it *almost* replaces office for me, except for the few quirks that screw up everything when importing data into another app
[06:13] <xsacha> mine too
[06:13] <cellofellow> inteliwasp: are you using screen? sometimes that sort of makes things look weird to me.
[06:14] <Jucato> I hate having to choose between OO.o and KOffice :P
[06:14] <inteliwasp> cellofellow: what do you mean? i am in tty
[06:14] <cellofellow> seishinbyou: that's a given. nothing is ever 100% compatible, even versions of office?
[06:14] <felixjet> what package is to read sensors like cpu temp ? :(
[06:14] <Dr_willis> i use abiword. :)
[06:14] <xsacha> seishinbyou: every time i open a microsoft office document, i am greeted by 4 big warning boxes "I/O Error" -- every document.. and any time i move a picture, CRASH lol
[06:14] <xsacha> so, not complete yet
[06:14] <cellofellow> inteliwasp: screen is a non-X window manager for the terminal. If you don't know then don't worry.
[06:14] <seishinbyou> Yep, I have more than my fair share of M$ Office problems, too, but for one current project, I need a real MS Office available for test data
[06:15] <xsacha> KOffice doesnt seem to even open ms office documents
[06:15] <seishinbyou> It's used for import into a *gasp* PHP app
[06:15] <seishinbyou> If it isn't saved with Excel, the dates get screwed up when it is imported
[06:15] <Jucato> xsacha: it does
[06:15] <inteliwasp> what other console based editors are in the defult install og edgy?
[06:15] <xsacha> it wouldnt open mine :(
[06:15] <Jucato> inteliwasp: vim and nano
[06:15] <Jucato> xsacha: it doesn't export to .doc. closest you get is .rtf
[06:16] <xsacha> not export.. just wanted to open
[06:16] <cellofellow> Jucato: what doesn't? OOo or KOffice?
[06:16] <Jucato> strange... mine did last I checked...
[06:16] <xsacha> i saw .doc in list but it said it was bad format
[06:16] <xsacha> KOffice
[06:16] <Jucato> cellofellow: KOffice
[06:16] <cellofellow> Jucato: gotcha. only dappled with KOffice myself. Never actually used.
[06:16] <rawrness> woot it appears beryl works better with kde
[06:16] <inteliwasp> er... how do i save in nano?
[06:17] <xsacha> ctrl+
[06:17] <xsacha> x
[06:17] <cellofellow> inteliwasp: F3
[06:17] <xsacha> ctrl+x will prompt you and then say Y
[06:17] <xsacha> otherwise, in nano i use the asterisk to save files
[06:17] <cellofellow> F3 works for me better.
[06:17] <Jucato> inteliwasp: Ctrl+O (for writeOut
[06:18] <Jucato> )
[06:18] <inteliwasp> got it
[06:18] <inteliwasp> i'm gonna reboot and test
[06:18] <xsacha> didnt like vi?
[06:18] <Jucato> inteliwasp: the most used shortcuts are displayed at the bottom :)
[06:18] <inteliwasp> vi was acting FUBARed
[06:18] <xsacha> lol
[06:18] <Jucato> inteliwasp: vi or vim?
[06:18] <xsacha> vi was acting how it was meant to  ;)
[06:18] <cellofellow> In nano, on the bottom you have all of those commands. F1 is help, F2 is exit, F3 write out, in order as to what you see on the screen.
[06:18] <inteliwasp> arnt they the same on modern OSes?
[06:19] <Jucato> oh yeah
[06:19] <Jucato> reboots?!? O_O
[06:19] <xsacha> :S
[06:19] <xsacha> just start x?
[06:19] <Jucato> he has no X to restart
[06:19] <cellofellow> I think ubuntu has vi and vim, or vim with a vi mode.
[06:19] <Jucato> "vi" launches vim
[06:19] <cellofellow> symlink or something.
[06:19] <cellofellow> ?
[06:20] <rawrness> i love kde
[06:20] <Jucato> symlinked to /etc/alternatives/vi, which is set to vimtiny
[06:20] <cellofellow> Jucato: so, yes, a vi mode.
[06:20] <xsacha> vi -> /usr/bin/vim.tiny
[06:20] <waspy> i think that the display mode on vim was not sec corectly (inteliwasp = waspy)
[06:21] <rawrness> oh damm
[06:21] <rawrness> still got blanks...
[06:21] <cellofellow> on a different computer or something waspy?
[06:21] <seishinbyou> Oh geez, someone here really is in the dark ages.  I was asked (while on topic of word processors) if WordPerfect 5.0 was available for Linux.
[06:21] <rawrness> ooooh Well
[06:21] <Jucato> seishinbyou: I'd even be more shocked if somebody asked about Wordstar :P
[06:21] <waspy> cellofellow:  i have a laptop running next to me
[06:21] <rawrness> Now only if i could get my kalarm to work :P
[06:21] <xsacha> notepad for linux
[06:21] <Jucato> Ctrl+KB, Ctrl+KK
[06:21] <cellofellow> waspy: gotcha
[06:21] <Jucato> xsacha: I ran that once :)
[06:22] <xsacha> i am running it right now
[06:22] <waspy> notepad!!?!???!?!?
[06:22] <xsacha> wine notepad
[06:22] <Jucato> hm.. might try running "cmd" on Wine
[06:22] <seishinbyou> Still, it is better than the Ichitarou word processor, which only has one advantage over other word processors as far as I can see
[06:22] <cellofellow> All over my head. I'm too young to remember anything but MS Office.
[06:22] <Jucato> wouldn't that be fun.. :)
[06:22] <Jucato> seishinbyou: what advantage is that?
[06:22] <xsacha> Z:\etc\alternatives>ls           File not found
[06:22] <Jucato> xsacha: lol
[06:23] <inteliwasp> well no joy on x
[06:23] <rawrness> stupid nvidia beta driver acting up...
[06:23] <seishinbyou> It allows you to write formal documents up to down, right to left vertically for certificates and short stories, etc.
[06:23] <inteliwasp> (BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP)!!!
[06:23] <seishinbyou> Well, less short stories...more like personal compositions
[06:23] <xsacha> what's error with X? /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? no error?
[06:23] <seishinbyou> Preserving the "proper" spacing and positioning rules.  Usually, students have to write those out by hand
[06:23] <inteliwasp> btw, that beep thingy is suposed to be a joke... :P
[06:24] <cellofellow> seishinbyou: kinda off topic
[06:24] <Jucato> seishinbyou: ah.
[06:24] <inteliwasp> xsacha: give me a min to post on pastebin
[06:24] <xsacha> just cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[06:24] <xsacha> should only be 1 or 2 lines.. first line doesnt matter
[06:25] <Shirakawasuna> is the kubuntu install dvd a livedvd?
[06:25] <rawrness> XD if any of my windows excede a certin size it turns black how can i get rid of the nvidia beta driver
[06:25] <rawrness> i was told it was the problem
[06:25] <cellofellow> isn't the DVD like the CD only with a repo-CD on it?
[06:25] <Jucato> Shirakawasuna: yes
[06:26] <Jucato> DVD = Live DVD + lots of stuff from the repos
[06:26] <cpk2> cellofellow: the dvd has the alternate and live install
[06:26] <cellofellow> thinks
[06:27] <Jucato> cellofellow: well, not if you're going to get the Edgy DVD :)
[06:27] <cellofellow> Jucato: well, I don't have a DVD burner or anything and I do have broadband
[06:27] <Jucato> cellofellow: neither do I :)
[06:28] <cpk2> here in USA you can get a dvd burner that does *everything* for $50 =D
[06:28] <waspy> xsacha:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29501/
[06:28] <rawrness> got mine for 60
[06:28] <Jucato> cpk2: does it make coffee too?
[06:28] <mefisto__> when booting up, kubuntu does dosfsck (or something similar) on my windows fat32 disk. It really slows down startup. Anyone know why it's doing this?
[06:28] <cellofellow> cpk2: $50 is more than I can afford.
[06:28] <rawrness> nice and shiney
[06:28] <xsacha> yeah even in australi.. could get a dvd burner, that also plays and burns cd for $40
[06:28] <Jucato> I think we have one for $40 too
[06:28] <cpk2> Jucato: its a coffee mug holder
[06:28] <seishinbyou> Has anyone tried burning a Blu-ray disc with Edgy?
[06:28] <inteliwasp> wow i think i FUBARed that up a tad...
[06:29] <rawrness> XD blu-ray
[06:29] <momal> there are blu-ray burners ???
[06:29] <seishinbyou> Just wondering, there are drives and discs around the office
[06:29] <xsacha> waspy: 17.     "Sections" is not a valid keyword in this section.
[06:29] <Jucato> inteliwasp: "Sections" is not a valid keyword
[06:29] <xsacha> change that to Section :P
[06:29] <cpk2> blu-ray players are like $1000
[06:29] <seishinbyou> Burners have been out for a while now here
[06:29] <inteliwasp> figures
[06:29] <cpk2> hate to think what a burner costs
[06:29] <Jucato> xsacha: lol :)
[06:29] <momal> lol
[06:29] <Jucato> I think we saw the same thing xsacha :)
[06:29] <seishinbyou> The company bought it; I wouldn't
[06:29] <seishinbyou> I don't have that kind of money to burn
[06:29] <momal> hah
[06:30] <seishinbyou> a Live Blu-Ray distro would be...no wait, pointless.  But still, for backup...
[06:30] <xsacha> holding a cd right here that cdrecorder managed to burn (screw up) for me..
[06:30] <xsacha> not rewritable.. what to do with it i wonder
[06:30] <mefisto__> when booting up, kubuntu does dosfsck (or something similar) on my windows fat32 disk. It really slows down startup. Anyone know why it's doing this?
[06:31] <rawrness> you could hold like the entire repos on a blu-rey
[06:31] <cpk2> i dont even get why movies are released on blu-ray what the hell is going to make a movie so big it doesnt fit on a dvd?
[06:31] <xsacha> mefisto__: in your fstab you can specify whether fsck check is run
[06:31] <momal> 99999999999999x99999999999999 resoultion hehe
[06:31] <momal> :p
[06:31] <momal> at 50000000FPS
[06:31] <momal> :p
[06:31] <Jucato> change the end line from "0 1" to "0 0" afaik
[06:32] <cpk2> but then they would need cameras that do that =(
[06:32] <xsacha> those evil 1s.. trying to fsck my reiserfs stupid thing
[06:32] <Xaero_Vincent> linux supports blu-ray now thanks to dvd+rw v7.x :)
[06:32] <seishinbyou> Hmm, this page has some info on burning Blu-Ray : http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/
[06:32] <mefisto__> ok thanks xsacha. Any idea why it does this? I'm sure it didn't do it on first boot
[06:32] <seishinbyou> Xaero_Vincent: Thanks, that is good to know
[06:32] <xsacha> every so often it's meant to scan it for problems
[06:33] <Xaero_Vincent> i have a question about kubuntu... everything looks blury at less than native resolution.. more blurry than other distros.. i think its font antialiling.. its hurts my eyes.
[06:33] <Xaero_Vincent> anyway to disable it?
[06:34] <xsacha> Xaero_Vincent: go to fonts and choose the antialiasing
[06:34] <tito> hi
[06:34] <tito> somebody can tell me what is GNU ?
[06:34] <xsacha> !gnu
[06:34] <ubotu> G(NU's) N(ot) U(nix). A project that aimed to develop a complete operating system of Free Software, which Ubuntu is based on. See http://gnu.org
[06:34] <tito> but tell me why you can use it
[06:35] <tito> to get free programs  ?
[06:35] <tito> just that reason ?
[06:35] <xsacha> eh? maybe try that website :)
[06:35] <mefisto__> what does fsck do if it finds errors? does it try to repair them?
[06:35] <xsacha> yes, it fixes them
[06:35] <waspy> aperently there is a screen refresh problem in the terminals...
[06:36] <waspy> yay finaly it works!!!
[06:36] <Xaero_Vincent> where can I find the font utility?
[06:36] <xsacha> :)
[06:36] <Xaero_Vincent> i dont see it
[06:36] <xsacha> Xaero_Vincent: dapper or edgy?
[06:36] <Jucato> Xaero_Vincent: System Settings -> Appearance -> Fonts
[06:36] <Xaero_Vincent> edgy?
[06:36] <cpk2> waspy: you mean when you change to a tty it is filled with random symbols?
[06:36] <xsacha> Xaero_Vincent: yeah like Jucato said
[06:37] <macconline> hi... i want download automatix 1.... where?
[06:37] <Jucato> !automatix
[06:37] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[06:37] <Dr_willis> macconline,  best to avoide automatix.
[06:37] <cpk2> psh why do you want to use automatix?
[06:37] <waspy> cpk2:  no, vi dosen't show it's comand modes and editing this is odd
[06:38] <macconline> for install azureus,
[06:38] <cpk2> macconline: sudo apt-get install azureus
[06:38] <Jucato> !azureus
[06:38] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[06:38] <waspy> oh fudge!!!! x broke.... AGAIN!
[06:38] <Dr_willis> macconline,  you dont need automatix to isntall that
[06:38] <macconline> because way apt not instal
[06:38] <Dr_willis> follow that url.
[06:38] <Jucato> !azureus | macconline
[06:38] <ubotu> macconline: azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[06:38] <Dr_willis> actually i find ktorrent does  my torrent downloads fine.
[06:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:38] <Dr_willis> or wine utorrent.exe
[06:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:39] <TubaSoldier> i prefer ktorrent as well.
[06:39] <waspy> it is now day 5 of of upgrade hell for me...
[06:39] <macconline> ktorrent for me, is slow, very slow
[06:39] <xsacha> LOL
[06:39] <TubaSoldier> day 5 of a still stable dapper for me.
[06:39] <Dr_willis> Torrents are often slow slow slow...
[06:40] <Dr_willis> it can very so much..  depending on so many things..
[06:40] <xsacha> day 7 of a stable kubuntu for me
[06:40] <xsacha> edgy
[06:40] <waspy> *in a child like voice*why me!!!!
[06:40] <Jucato> a lot of factors can affect the speed of a torrent. the client is the least important factor, afaik
[06:40] <cpk2> yup
[06:40] <xsacha> Jucato: this movie i am downloading has been at 97% for a day now
[06:40] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  unless ya got blocked ports.. of course that would affect all clients.
[06:40] <cpk2> firewall and ISP is the biggest factor
[06:40] <xsacha> the number of seeds being the most important factor: 0 seeds
[06:41] <Jucato> xsacha: lol
[06:41] <Xaero_Vincent> ok thats a little better
[06:41] <TubaSoldier> I think the difference between the Ubuntu forums and this irc channel are quite funny. The forums consider the irc guys to be a bunch of jerks. its an interesting rivalry.
[06:41] <Dr_willis> there used to be a bug with ktorrent where it would fail to get the last bit of data. and hang at 99.9% or so. :P
[06:41] <cpk2> haha
[06:41] <Dr_willis> then if ya stopped/restarted the torrent. it would get the last bit.
[06:41] <xsacha> there's a forum?
[06:41] <TubaSoldier> yep.
[06:41] <xsacha> :P
[06:41] <TubaSoldier> lol
[06:41] <Jucato> of course :P
[06:41] <Jucato> I go to both.
[06:41] <Jucato> I try to help, no matter the media :)
[06:41] <waspy> ah but with irc comes live help!
[06:42] <Dr_willis> TubaSoldier,  problwm with the forums is that often the 10 pages of discussions are 90% sigs and logos and quotes...
[06:42] <Jucato> live *and* confusing (at times)
[06:42] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:42] <xsacha> forums are too slow, you say something and it doesnt get answered for atleast an hour.. by then -- if it was a question -- you've figured it out yourself
[06:42] <Xaero_Vincent> does Kubuntu come with any tools to configure ACPI settings?  KPowersave?
[06:42] <TubaSoldier> but it is just an interesting feud.
[06:42] <Dr_willis> TubaSoldier,  actually i rarely go to the forums other then to search for things..
[06:42] <felixjet> kde look dont load :___(
[06:42] <waspy> oh great, x crashes as it gives me the desktop...
[06:42] <Jucato> TubaSoldier: let's just say that most people here are oblivious to the forums :P
[06:42] <TubaSoldier> thats funny.
[06:42] <xsacha> and it's a lot harder to access forums without X, irc is just as easy without X
[06:43] <TubaSoldier> true. irrisi works well when you have no x
[06:43] <Dr_willis> forums had a lot of downtime in the last few months also.
[06:43] <waspy> i can second the irc in console!!
[06:43] <macconline> ubotu: apt-get install azureus
[06:43] <Dr_willis> !azureus
[06:43] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[06:43] <Jucato> but seriously, I find neither IRC nor Forum to be perfect. Like anything else in the Linux world, choose what works for you :)
[06:43] <Dr_willis> news groups!
[06:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:43] <cpk2> Jucato: YMMV =P
[06:43] <Jucato> macconline: follow that guide
[06:43] <waspy> but now x wont finish loading and freses everything
[06:43] <macconline> yes
[06:44] <Jucato> cpk2: of course. that's the part of "choose what works for you" :P
[06:44] <macconline> but no understand.... wait
[06:44] <xsacha> waspy: what's cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE say now?
[06:44] <tearran> !java
[06:44] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[06:44] <Xaero_Vincent> do I have to get KPowersave from the repo? that would be ok.. but I thought Kubuntu and Ubuntu included utilities?
[06:44] <waspy> er... give me a few.. got to hard reset
[06:44] <Dr_willis> !info azureus
[06:44] <ubotu> azureus: BitTorrent client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0.0-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 6922 kB, installed size 7780 kB
[06:45] <Jucato> Xaero_Vincent: Kubuntu has its own power manager installed afaik. not KPowersave
[06:45] <Jucato> Xaero_Vincent: try looking in System Settings
[06:45] <Jucato> macconline: first you have to install Sun Java, then you install Azureus
[06:45] <Dr_willis> and you have to have the sustem, USING the actual sun java. :)
[06:45] <Xaero_Vincent> i didnt see anything other than monitor standby settings
[06:45] <cpk2> and you need to tell your system to use sun java
[06:46] <Dr_willis> thats what the update-alternatives line does.
[06:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:46] <Dr_willis> night all
[06:46] <Jucato> Xaero_Vincent: doesn't the Power manager appear in your system tray?
[06:47] <Xaero_Vincent> nope.. but Im running from the live-cd.. could that make a difference?
[06:47] <Jucato> Xaero_Vincent: hold on...
[06:47] <waspy> xsacha:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29505/
[06:47] <xsacha> grr how do i do a plus sign for ubotu?
[06:47] <felixjet> anyone can tell me how to enable xmms remote control for superkaramba?
[06:47] <tearran> !Multiverse
[06:47] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:48] <waspy> !botsnack
[06:48] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:48] <xsacha> (EE) AIGLX error: dlsym for __driCreateNewScreen_200 ?
[06:49] <xsacha> waspy: a radeon 8500 right?
[06:49] <waspy> yep
[06:49] <macconline> Jucato: sun java fine, but azureus not
[06:49] <waspy> nothing is ever normal with me...
[06:49] <Jucato> macconline: what do you mean by "not"?
[06:50] <Xaero_Vincent> did you find anything Jucato?
[06:50] <Jucato> Xaero_Vincent: no.. :(
[06:50] <waspy> ktorent is nice
[06:50] <macconline> jucato azureus not install, pack crash
[06:50] <Jucato> but I know it's there, if kde-guidance-powermanager is installed
[06:50] <Jucato> macconline: sudo apt-get install azureus
[06:51] <waspy> azureus dosn't work as well in linux compared to windows...
[06:51] <moj0rising> does anyone know if I can set up SATA raid with kubuntu without a raid card -- just using the built in controller?
[06:51] <xsacha> hmm you have fglrx, using mesa libs and trying to run aiglx waspy? :S
[06:51] <macconline> jucato:   azureus: Depend: libswt3.1-gtk-java but not will install
[06:51] <waspy> xsacha:  !?!?!
[06:51] <xsacha> using fglrx driver
[06:52] <waspy> xsacha:  oh god...
[06:52] <xsacha> what?
[06:52] <Jucato> macconline: do you have the universe repository enabled?
[06:52] <macconline> jucato: yes
[06:52] <waspy> xsacha:  there is never a normal moment with me, that's what i mean...
[06:52] <xsacha> waspy :fglrx cant do aiglx.. and you wont get direct rendering using mesa
[06:53] <Xaero_Vincent> aiglx doesnt work with ATI cards right now IIRC
[06:53] <xsacha> you want to use fglrx or open source driver?
[06:53] <waspy> xsacha:  i know but i did not write it
[06:53] <xsacha> aiglx works with ati cards, but only with open source driver :)
[06:53] <Xaero_Vincent> thats probably coming in the next major Fglrx driver
[06:53] <xsacha> waspy: for kubuntu, default xorg.conf uses "ati" driver, not sure how you got fglrx?
[06:53] <xsacha> installed it?
[06:53] <waspy> i just installed fglrx
[06:53] <xsacha> o and aticonfig --initial ?
[06:54] <waspy> yep
[06:54] <Jucato> macconline: hm.. that's strange. it installs here correctly
[06:54] <waspy> and the Xv thing
[06:54] <xsacha> Xv thing?
[06:54] <xsacha> oh extension.. k
[06:54] <waspy> sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[06:54] <MrBrizz> you can intall ATI ives in linux in one han an take a ump in the other and see which one fills up faster
[06:54] <MrBrizz> holy missing character.... :(
[06:54] <waspy> LOL
[06:54] <macconline> jucato: yes, i never installed azureus for apt
[06:55] <macconline> jucato: i install for automatix1, but i formated and don't find automatix.deb
[06:55] <xsacha> waspy disable AIGLX in ServerLayout in xorg.conf
[06:56] <MrBrizz> !automatix
[06:56] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[06:56] <macconline> jucato: way apt only automatix2 y don't have azureus =S
[06:56] <Jucato> macconline: automatix sometimes has a tendency to break things, but if you really want to use it, you might have to go to #automatix for help
[06:56] <waspy> xsacha:  no aiglx in server layout
[06:56] <macconline> ok, in this server?
[06:56] <xsacha> yeah put in: Option "AIGLX" "Disable"
[06:57] <xsacha> oh hmmm in Section "ServerFlags"
[06:57] <Jucato> macconline: yes
[06:57] <waspy> now you tell me...
[06:57] <xsacha> will have to create it
[06:58] <xsacha> :P just cut and paste it
[06:58] <Xaero_Vincent> well it looks as if kde-quidance-powermanager only works with laptops. as the error message tells me..
[06:58] <macconline> jucato: thanks per you time...... sorry.
[06:58] <james_xxx> Sysinfo for 'slax': Linux 2.6.16 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.20GHz at 2200 MHz (4407 bogomips), HD: 0/0GB, RAM: 492/501MB, 118 proc's, 33.9min up
[06:59] <xsacha> Sysinfo for 'xena': Linux 2.6.17-10-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: AMDAthlon643000+ at 2002 MHz (4009 bogomips), , RAM: 490/497MB, 101 proc's, 1.11d up
[06:59] <rawrness> woot dvd iso for edgy
[06:59] <rawrness> bitorent.........
[07:00] <xsacha> what's a good movie?
[07:00] <rawrness> oh well it will just take around 10 days
[07:00] <rawrness> xsacha:  Boondock Saints
[07:01] <xsacha> mm 4gb dvd
[07:01] <Emess> whoa no kaffeine, i click it and hte icon bounces and then jsut disappears :S
[07:01] <waspy> xsacha:  here is my curent config:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29507/
[07:01] <xsacha> try it from konsole emess, what's error?
[07:01] <rawrness> XD theres a live cd for xbox
[07:02] <waspy> xsacha:  just make the change and mark it and i'll write it
[07:02] <intelikey> Emess yea i always hated that bouncing icon thingy....
[07:02] <Emess> no error, it just thinks for a sec and then a new line appears waiting a command
[07:02] <intelikey> in konsole run it and see what error mess
[07:03] <Emess> no error message, a new line jsut comes up as if id pressed enter andnothing else
[07:03] <xsacha> waspy: one you pasted doesnt have the aiglx change?
[07:03] <rawrness> woot it torrent picked up to 3kb a sec :P
[07:04] <rawrness> oh 6 now
[07:04] <intelikey> Emess i don't have it so i don't even know if --verbose  or -v   will work.
[07:04] <intelikey> possably -d  for debugging output
[07:05] <waspy> xsacha:  no i did nt know where to put it
[07:05] <xsacha> --verbose does work on kaffeine intelikey :D
[07:05] <noiesmo> intelikey, the fsck on the floppy didnt do much thanks anyway
[07:05] <rawrness> support kubuntu download the dvd image from bittorent http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/edgy/release/dvd/
[07:05] <Emess> no idea, vlc works tho :S
[07:05] <intelikey> noiesmo ok did you recover that data yet ?
[07:05] <xsacha> waspy: Section "ServerFlags"  <new line> Option "AIGLX" "off" <new line> EndSection         put this anywhere as long as it is not inside another section
[07:06] <xsacha> Emess: kaffeine --verbose
[07:06] <noiesmo> intelikey, I got some of the photos off the disc but there were a couple that wouldnt copy there pcx files
[07:07] <Xaero_Vincent> i'll just get KPowersave.. which is supposibly in Universe
[07:07] <waspy> and for some reason the dri module wont uncomment!!!
[07:08] <tearran> !info java firefox
[07:08] <xsacha> press Del on the hash?
[07:08] <Emess> xsacha: nothing happened
[07:09] <intelikey> noiesmo if it's phisical damage on the disk there really isn't much that can be done.  part of the data is no longer there.    but if you got "most"   then doing a  dd if=/dev/fd0 of=file.img ; mount -o loop file.img ./some/place      probably wont help much either.
[07:09] <xsacha> Emess: does kaffeine -v show you the version?
[07:09] <tearran> !java firefox
[07:10] <Xaero_Vincent> Kubuntu 6.10 looks much nicer than when I tried 5.10 (last).. the control center is very orginized.. although it lacks some tools.. additional GUI utilities can be found in the repositories.
[07:10] <Xaero_Vincent> maybe I'll switch from SUSE in the next few days.. Live CD is very quick too :)
[07:10] <Emess> xsacha:
[07:11] <Emess> Qt: 3.3.6
[07:11] <Emess> KDE: 3.5.5
[07:11] <Emess> Kaffeine Player: 0.8.2
[07:12] <intelikey> hmmm 0.8  kaffeine is still bata ?
[07:12] <noiesmo> intelikey, cheers i'll try the dd and mount it, I used dd to make some pxe images the other day didnt think of that thanks
[07:12] <xsacha> hmm, no idea
[07:12] <xsacha> it should atleast give one debug message when you use --verbose
[07:12] <waspy> xsacha:  still no joy
[07:13] <xsacha> waspy: try moving xorg.conf to a temporary file, then creating a new one
[07:13] <intelikey> noiesmo it will stop at an io error so if it's phisical damage it may not gain anything.
[07:14] <laervian> hi everybody
[07:14] <mw46> ;-)
[07:14] <xsacha> waspy: after you move the xorg.conf file.. aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv --initial
[07:14] <noiesmo> intelikey, ok  the images that didnt copy over did have i/o errors as it was coping them so well see, if it works it works the teacher's not overly worried
[07:14] <laervian> quick help: it seems that my CPU works only at a THIRD OF ITS POWER!!!
[07:14] <waspy> xsacha:  what is the command to make a new xorg file?
[07:14] <xsacha> waspy: like i said above :)
[07:14] <Emess> nope, nothing for verbose
[07:15] <intelikey> noiesmo tre bon chance
[07:15] <laervian> does anyone know how to check why it is so and solve the problem=
[07:16] <mw46> laervian: do you have a bit more info?
[07:16] <laervian> my laptop almost crashes opening a pdf and a powerpoint together...it should not :(
[07:16] <Emess> mmm frostwire doesnt load either
[07:16] <intelikey> waspy sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:16] <laervian> mw46: what kind could you use?
[07:16] <mw46> what hardware? what OS? versions? symptoms?
[07:17] <xsacha> and how much % cpu usage? and is using the most?
[07:17] <seishinbyou> Well, the new Power Manager with 6.10 keeps my CPU at 1/3 of the max speed unless something processor intensive makes use of it
[07:17] <intelikey> laervian cat /proc/cpuinfo
[07:17] <seishinbyou> Is this similar to what is happening with you?
[07:17] <intelikey> but how to fix.....   ?
[07:17] <laervian> mw46: hardware, intel centrino 1.8 ghz on an IBM thinkpad R50e. OS: kubuntu 6.10
[07:17] <waspy> oh nice, the reconfigure screen is all messed up
[07:17] <laervian> seishibyou: yes
[07:18] <xsacha> my comp scales processor for me, dont need software for it :)
[07:18] <laervian> I have already checked cat proc etc., that is how I know it is underworking
[07:18] <laervian> mine stops dead with a pdf and a powerpoint
[07:18] <laervian> it does NOT speed up
[07:18] <xsacha> ? did you look at top laervian?
[07:19] <seishinbyou> Odd... however, just a sec...
[07:19] <waspy> i'm giving up for the night... night all!
[07:19] <mw46> night.
[07:19] <laervian> xsacha: I do not know how to check the % - just used cat proc/cpuinfo
[07:19] <laervian> night waspy
[07:19] <seishinbyou> sudo powernowd -help
[07:19] <xsacha> and what did cpuinfo tell you that's important? the cpu mhz?
[07:19] <mw46> laervian: try the top command in a terminal/konsole window.
[07:20] <seishinbyou> Use the parameters it lists to control the speed of your CPU
[07:20] <intelikey> seishinbyou sudo  and -help ???
[07:20] <cihad> hi
[07:20] <xsacha> sudo powernowd -u 100
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[07:21] <cihad> how to ?
[07:21] <laervian> http://www.unita.it/hp.asp
[07:21] <laervian> nope
[07:21] <seishinbyou> sorry about that, I just wanted to run it and it warned me about not being the uberuser
[07:21] <cihad> change xsever default locale
[07:21] <laervian> powernowd: PowerNow Daemon v0.97, (c) 2003-2006 John Clemens
[07:21] <laervian> powernowd: Found 1 scalable unit:  -- 1 'CPU' per scalable unit
[07:21] <laervian> powernowd:   cpu0: 600Mhz - 1800Mhz (7 steps)
[07:21] <shinobi2> anyone got wireless working on edgy?
[07:21] <laervian> yeah
[07:22] <xsacha> laervian: what's max clock on processor? 1.8ghz?
[07:22] <laervian> (to shinobi)
[07:22] <laervian> xsamcha: yes
[07:22] <shinobi2> laervian: how? i have wifi 801 error
[07:22] <laervian> xsacha: problem is, it does NOT go upper than 600 Mhz it seems. It almost crashes but does not speed now
[07:23] <intelikey> that minumum is 6x my cpu
[07:23] <seishinbyou> Hmm, would "sudo powernowd -u 100 -l 100" work, or is that just silly?
[07:23] <laervian> shinobi: I just used the normal package...I did not have to tweak. I use wifi-radar and kwavecontrol - do not think they can be useful however if you have a driver problem
[07:23] <laervian> seishinbyou: no idea
[07:23] <duane> anyone know how to install flash in opera and konqueror?
[07:23] <duane> i downloaded the new flash
[07:23] <xsacha> it would work but.. lol it'd always run at full
[07:23] <duane> but i dont know what to do with it
[07:24] <laervian> follow the readme...?
[07:24] <seishinbyou> Maybe that is what he wants, though?
[07:24] <shinobi2> laervian: you installed these packages after the full ubuntu installed? did you get the 801 error before you fix it?
[07:24] <duane> laervian: the readme doesnt say how to install it really
[07:24] <laervian> shinobi: never got any error
[07:24] <laervian> duane: let me check mine
[07:25] <shinobi2> laervian: which wcard you have? i have atheos
[07:25] <laervian> shinobi: I have a thinkpad ibm...not sure on the card
[07:25] <laervian> shinobi: surely not an atheos though
[07:26] <ccherrett> any idea how to add a usb mouse in kubuntu?
[07:26] <intelikey> i wouldn't buy atheos just on general principal
[07:26] <mw46> why?
[07:26] <momal> just plug in in ccherrett should work with problem
[07:26] <shinobi2> laervian: 6.06 works out of the box and don't know why it screwed up on 6.10
[07:26] <xsacha> i am using a usb mouse.. worked out of box
[07:26] <ccherrett> momal: it did not
[07:26] <ccherrett> rats
[07:26] <laervian> shinobi2: I do not know sorry :(
[07:27] <momal> strange... try another usb port?
[07:27] <laervian> seishinbyou: it does not recognize the command
[07:28] <seishinbyou> Here is a test for you that worked for me on my laptop.  Open the Desktop (System Settings, and select an OpenGL screensaver (anything processor intensive)
[07:28] <seishinbyou> Like...oh, what is up now
[07:28] <seishinbyou> Hufo's Tunnel
[07:28] <laervian> ?
[07:28] <seishinbyou> Then, hover the mouse over the Power Manager
[07:28] <seishinbyou> Is it showing it running at 100%
[07:28] <laervian> wait a sec
[07:29] <seishinbyou> Mine runs at 600MHz for most tasks and shoots up when needed for graphical orgasmic pleasure
[07:29] <laervian> well if it is a test for seeing if the cpu goes up to 100% (seemingly) with what it should not
[07:30] <laervian> I have the little applet system control
[07:30] <xsacha> how does a screensaver hit 100% cpu? wouldnt that be bad :S
[07:30] <shinobi2> laervian: that's ok
[07:30] <laervian> and when I open a pdf it leaps to 100%
[07:30] <seishinbyou> Screensaver = toys.  People like frilly, gaudy toys
[07:30] <laervian> same with thunderbird
[07:30] <Jucato> !flash 9 | duane
[07:30] <ubotu> duane: Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[07:30] <intelikey> xsacha it is bad.
[07:31] <laervian> that is why I saw something was definitely wrong :(
[07:31] <xsacha> screensaver is neither saving the screen or the cpu?
[07:31] <Jucato> !flash 9 > duane
[07:31] <seishinbyou> It isn't saving anything really, and some of them even burn in the screen (the static image ones...though that was more of a problem with Windows and the custom screensavers of a still image)
[07:32] <intelikey> true screen saver == blank
[07:32] <xsacha> burn in the screen? plasma?
[07:32] <seishinbyou> I'm referring to old CRT monitors
[07:32] <laervian> seishinbyou: any other suggestion
[07:32] <laervian> ?
[07:32] <mw46> that was a long time ago on CRT's;-)
[07:32] <xsacha> oh ok
[07:32] <seishinbyou> Well, if powernowd isn't doing anything, I'm not sure what to suggest; it scales fine on this CPU...maybe do a google search?
[07:33] <seishinbyou> CRTs are still in use in some places, of course
[07:33] <xsacha> or dont use powernowd :) stop scaling? :)
[07:33] <laervian> xsacha: how could I do that?
[07:33] <xsacha> i asumme you'd just remove it from startup
[07:33] <laervian> xsacha: how?
[07:34] <intelikey> seishinbyou lots of them
[07:34] <xsacha> system settings->advanced->service manager
[07:34] <xsacha> is it in there?
[07:34] <xsacha> o wait, it'd be before then.. hmm
[07:35] <intelikey> update-rc.d
[07:35] <xsacha> system settings->advanced->system services ?
[07:35] <cpk2> the "player" thing that myspace uses seems to have broken for me =\
[07:35] <mw46> good night;-)
[07:36] <laervian> ok now
[07:36] <laervian> ?
[07:36] <xsacha> you see powernowd in the list? multiuser mode(2)
[07:36] <laervian> no
[07:36] <xsacha> well, it should be.. that's where it is for me :)
[07:37] <intelikey> maybe why it's not working......
[07:37] <laervian> wait yes wrong menu
[07:37] <xsacha> it'll appear at all run levels
[07:37] <laervian> ok, it is bound to be activated at the startup but it is not active
[07:37] <xsacha> ok when you get to system services, get into administrator mode and then untick Start during boot
[07:37] <xsacha> it's "not running" ?
[07:38] <intelikey> point.
[07:38] <laervian> xsacha: yes
[07:38] <xsacha> did you kill it before?
[07:38] <laervian> no
[07:38] <xsacha> mm try running it and see if pdfs work now
[07:39] <laervian> sudo powernowd?
[07:39] <xsacha> yeah
[07:39] <xsacha> i think start
[07:39] <xsacha> sudo powernowd start ?
[07:39] <intelikey> no  sudo /etc/init.d/powernowd start
[07:40] <laervian> ok
[07:40] <intelikey> or restart
[07:40] <xsacha> is it running now?
[07:40] <laervian> no *_*
[07:41] <intelikey> if it crashed 's/start/restart/' may be needed.
[07:41] <intelikey> sudo /etc/init.d/powernowd restart
[07:42] <laervian> ok I am doing it but...
[07:42] <intelikey> incase that was too cryptically...........
[07:42] <laervian> in the sys setting window it still tells me it is NOT active
[07:42] <laervian> whatever I try
[07:43] <laervian> or the window does not detect it or there is something shutting it down
[07:43] <intelikey> could be the window not updating....  but not likely
[07:43] <laervian> yeah my fear
[07:43] <laervian> any ideas?
[07:43] <laervian> it seems it not being active is my problem *_*
[07:43] <xsacha> where do you see this not active thing? :S
[07:44] <xsacha> should be in System Services right?
[07:44] <xsacha> when you click on powernowd it has Start, Stop and Restart button there
[07:44] <laervian> yeah I have tried it also from there
[07:45] <xsacha> does it show running and then go not running again?
[07:45] <laervian> yes
[07:45] <xsacha> mm powernowd crashing..
[07:46] <intelikey> cat /var/log/powernowd         i think it has it's own log... might check
[07:46] <xsacha> well if you want, can disable it at boot..  it might show Start during boot unticked -- it is ticked on a different runlevel
[07:46] <felixjet> where is the fonts directory?
[07:46] <xsacha> where did you specify it in xorg.conf felixjet?
[07:46] <intelikey> felixjet which one ?
[07:46] <felixjet> dunno, where the fonts are allocated :s
[07:47] <xsacha> check where X looks for them by checking xorg.conf
[07:47] <felixjet> k
[07:47] <laervian> nope, no log
[07:47] <intelikey> /usr/share/*
[07:47] <xsacha> it'll be in Files section
[07:47] <simon__> hm edgy doesnt like nvidia-glx?
[07:47] <intelikey> laervian check the sys log
[07:48] <xsacha> it's probably /usr/share/fonts/X11
[07:48] <intelikey> laervian also   'dmesg '   might reveal something about it.
[07:48] <laervian> intelikey: just sudo dmesg in the konsole?
[07:49] <xsacha> well you'll want to grep for important stuff, it's huge dmesg
[07:49] <intelikey> no sudo  but yes type  dmesg
[07:49] <laervian> ok done - and the syslog confirmed it stopped
[07:49] <intelikey> laervian what reason ?
[07:49] <laervian> no reason
[07:49] <xsacha> [   42.689571]  powernow-k8: BIOS error - no PSB or ACPI _PSS objects
[07:50] <intelikey> laervian is that a prepackaged kernel ?
[07:51] <laervian> intelikey: what do you mean?
[07:51] <intelikey> !bug
[07:51] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[07:51] <intelikey> and jucato thinks of me....
[07:51] <Jucato> O_O
[07:52] <intelikey> laervian you should think about first looking for that problem and if not found report it.   ^
[07:53] <intelikey> :)
[07:53] <xsacha> so many damn bugs on linux :P
[07:54] <laervian> xsacha: this is a serious one, my machine runs at a one third of its power
[07:54] <Jucato> !flash 9 > duane
[07:54] <laervian> *_*
[07:54] <laervian> I just wonder how it can sustain all of kubuntu still
[07:54] <laervian> it is a miracle it is not crashing every second
[07:56] <laervian> any command to constrain the cpu to go at full potency NOW?
[07:56] <laervian> just to check it is indeed this the problem
[07:56] <bejoy> Hello
[07:57] <bejoy> What is a diference between kubutnu CD and DVD edition?
[07:57] <intelikey> laervian yes you can disable powernowd so it is not started at boot and reboot....
[07:58] <intelikey> bejoy several thousand megs of data
[07:58] <Jucato> duane: which part doesn't work?
[07:58] <bejoy> inc|freaky, Does it contain extra software?
[07:58] <thyko> whats that command for installing gcc?
[07:58] <thyko> apt-get install development-base?
[07:59] <intelikey> thyko sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:59] <cps1966> apt-get install build-essential
[07:59] <duane> jucato: when i add the repos to sources.list then do a apt-get update i get an error:
[07:59] <duane> W: GPG error: http://seveas.imbrandon.com edgy-seveas Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 49A120FD1135D466
[07:59] <duane> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[07:59] <Jucato> duane: you didn't follow the instructions. there are instructions there to download and add a GPG key
[08:00] <intelikey> bejoy assuming you meant that for me.   yes but nothing that's not in the repos.
[08:00] <intelikey> !repos | bejoy
[08:00] <ubotu> bejoy: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:01] <duane> Jucato: i dont see the instructions on adding any keys
[08:01] <intelikey> duane also W; != E;     warning not equal error
[08:01] <duane> ohhhhhhh
[08:01] <duane> nevermind
[08:01] <duane> it's in another link
[08:03] <duane> Jucato i do sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree i get the following msgs
[08:03] <duane> flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version.
[08:03] <duane> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[08:03] <duane> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:03] <duane>   flashplugin-nonfree: Depends: gsfonts-x11 but it is not going to be installed
[08:03] <duane> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[08:04] <thyko> intelikey, cps1966: thanks yall
[08:04] <Jucato> duane: did you updated first right?
[08:04] <duane> yes
[08:04] <intelikey> np
[08:06] <Jucato> duane: hm.. try removing the older flashplugin-nonfree, then install it again
[08:06] <Jucato> duane: er duane
[08:06] <intelikey> heh and try the -f
[08:06] <duane> how do I remove it? im not too familiar with apt
[08:06] <Jucato> duane: are you on edgy or dapper?
[08:06] <duane> edgy
[08:07] <Jucato> duane: did you change the dapper-seveas to edgy-seveas?
[08:07] <duane> yep
[08:07] <Jucato> duane: hm... that's strange. anyway "sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree"
[08:07] <Jucato> duane: then after that, try to install flashplugin-nonfree again
[08:08] <duane> ok i think it's installing now
[08:08] <duane> yeah it installed. is there anyhting i still need to do?
[08:08] <intelikey> apt-get remove/install/check/clean/autoclean/update/dist-upgrade      man apt-get
[08:08] <intelikey> man man
[08:09] <intelikey> man intro
[08:09] <intelikey> man woman
[08:09] <Jucato> duane: "Scan for new plugins" in Konqueror
[08:09] <intelikey> E; no manual page found for woman
[08:09] <Jucato> lol
[08:09] <intelikey> :)
[08:09] <draik> JUCATO
[08:10] <Jucato> yoh draik!!
[08:10] <draik> Long day at work, long story short... I FINALLY have a supervisor I can admire. He's got intelligence!
[08:10] <duane> yep still wont work for konq
[08:10] <duane> nspluginviewer crashed with signal 11
[08:10] <duane> that's what happens
[08:11] <duane> pretty weird
[08:11] <Jucato> hm...
[08:11] <duane> guess i'll just uninstall and roll with flash 7 for now
[08:11] <Jucato> draik: wow you have work now :)
[08:11] <draik> yup
[08:11] <Jucato> duane: probably.. too bad. worked for me though
[08:11] <draik> was going to be 7 months this friday
[08:11] <thyko> configure error: cant find X includes :(
[08:11] <duane> yeah pretty weird
[08:11] <thyko> which package has those?
[08:11] <Jucato> thyko: xorg-dev
[08:13] <intelikey> hmmm why is mozilla-mail running  "fuser /dev/dsp" ???
[08:14] <draik> What's the quickest way to obtain the 6.10 DVD?
[08:14] <draik> torrent taking too long
[08:14] <Jucato> torrent :P
[08:14] <cpk2> ftp?
[08:14] <draik> torrent taking too long
[08:15] <draik> how long would it take for ftp?
[08:15] <seishinbyou> depends, how fast is your connection?
[08:15] <draik> Cable
[08:15] <Jucato> depends on the traffic, too
[08:16] <seishinbyou> Depends on quite a few factors, actually; you probably won't know until you start downloading
[08:16] <Jucato> :P
[08:16] <seishinbyou> and then just divide the size by your rate
[08:16] <Jucato> depends on seishinbyou sanity too
[08:16] <fildo> meep meep
[08:16] <seishinbyou> Yeah, but I'm just a torrent guy anyways
[08:16] <draik> seishinbyou: Did you ever come to the conclusion about the 12 year old applicant?
[08:17] <seishinbyou> draik> My boss told me to give up on him as we had a rush of applicants anyways
[08:17] <seishinbyou> Thank goodness for Skype.  Saves on those long distance phone calls
[08:17] <seishinbyou> the cost, that is
[08:17] <fildo> lol
[08:18] <laervian> seishinbyou: can you make it work?
[08:18] <laervian> my audio output is cr***y at the very least
[08:18] <Jucato> on Windows probably?
[08:18] <fildo> Jucato: trader
[08:18] <Jucato> fildo: nah. doing this for studying.
[08:18] <fildo> fc good
[08:18] <laervian> on windows it is fine, in linux terrible
[08:18] <fildo> i just moved off it
[08:18] <fildo> to here .. ha
[08:19] <laervian> also I cannot make skype.exe function...output device not detected
[08:19] <seishinbyou> I actually was using a winbox for the Skype interview.  I got it working under Linux, but the audio was choppy and my webcam wasn't recognized
[08:19] <laervian> (with wine that is...but I am not even able to install iexplorer after all :( )
[08:19] <fildo> laervian: ur sound dud
[08:19] <fildo> laervian: ur sound dude
[08:19] <Jucato> fildo: coz it came free with the Linux Bible 2005 edition. don't want it to go to waste :)
[08:19] <seishinbyou> Mind you, this webcam was purchased from a convenience store
[08:19] <laervian> seishinbyou: exactly MY problems!
[08:19] <fildo> they have a bible!
[08:19] <draik> too bad CD is available through everything else and DVD is only on torrents
[08:20] <laervian> fildo: what do you mean?
[08:20] <fildo> cause u have no output
[08:20] <Jucato> fildo: well there's also a Red Hat Linux Bible :P
[08:20] <fildo> deps on what sound u have setup
[08:20] <draik> cpk2, where???
[08:20] <seishinbyou> hmm, maybe I'll download the DVD torrent and just host it for others from my home PC later
[08:20] <cpk2> kubuntu.org
[08:20] <seishinbyou> Why not, the connection is fast enough
[08:20] <fildo> n skype will not run in full duplex mode
[08:21] <fildo> bible to me used to be called bob
[08:21] <fildo> back of book
[08:21] <fildo> well that wat 3unit maths, n about 7yrs ago
[08:22] <cpk2> draik: http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/kubuntu/6.06.1/release.1/kubuntu-6.06.1-dvd-i386.iso
[08:23] <fildo> thats dapper ?
[08:23] <Lynoure> fildo: yes
[08:23] <laervian> ok, I guess nobody can answer my doubts :( thanks yall in any case :)
[08:23] <fildo> yer
[08:23] <fildo> i run edgy
[08:23] <fildo> im a lil impressed
[08:24] <fildo> but not on the upgrade
[08:24] <fildo> so buggy
[08:24] <cpk2> oh damn that is dapper dvd
[08:24] <cpk2> hrmm did i get the wrong iso...
[08:24] <fildo> what you after?
[08:25] <yintelike> cpk2 not if you want dapper you didn't
[08:25] <cpk2> draik: maybe i didnt get an edgy dvd after all, but i dont have the iso physically with me so I cant check right now =X
[08:25] <draik> it is for the DVD
[08:25] <draik> it would take me 16 hours
[08:25] <draik> I don't have that kind of time ATM
[08:26] <cpk2> draik: thats the dapper dvd though =O
[08:26] <draik> whoops
[08:26] <draik> so it is
[08:26] <thyko> Jucato: gracias
[08:26] <draik> I meant edgy
[08:26] <thyko> which package has qt3 headers and libraries?
[08:27] <Healot> !info ibqt3-mt-dev
[08:27] <ubotu> Package ibqt3-mt-dev does not exist in any distro I know
[08:27] <Healot> !find libqt3-mt
[08:27] <ubotu> Found: libqt3-mt, libqt3-mt-dev, libqt3-mt-mysql, libqt3-mt-odbc, libqt3-mt-psql (and 1 others)
[08:28] <Jucato> wow! and 1 *others*
[08:28] <yintelike> hmmm odd starting mozilla-mail runs fuser /dev/dsp   but just sits there......  like a hung process   i deleted fuser and mozilla-mail starts like it should...    i'm kinda wondering about /bin/fuser why would it hang ?
[08:28] <Healot> max 5 listings
[08:29] <xsacha> !find lib
[08:29] <ubotu> Found: apt, apt-utils, binutils-dev, cgilib, cracklib-runtime (and 5890 others)
[08:29] <xsacha> lol
[08:29] <thyko> !find pcap
[08:29] <ubotu> Found: libpcap-dev, libpcap0.7, libpcap0.7-dev, libpcap0.8, libpcap0.8-dev (and 8 others)
[08:29] <thyko> hihii
[08:29] <duane> i have an external usb soundcard, how do I get KDE to output sounds to the external soundcard instead of the internal one?
[08:30] <kraut> moin
[08:32] <seishinbyou> Hrmf, maybe Kubuntu 6.10 DVD is only available via bittorrent right now
[08:33] <intelikey> hmmm odd it's kernel related.
[08:34] <intelikey> sorry if anyone answered me eariler i was so engorsed in the fuser issue that i reset the modem and also rebooted while testing....   short answer is the error is not reproducable with the prepackaged kernel
[08:36] <intelikey> thus fuser expects something that i didn't build into my kernel
[08:36] <intelikey> and yes i do realize that it would be hard for you to care any less   ;/
[08:37] <test> How do I set the locale variable?
[08:37] <intelikey> blah='something
[08:37] <intelikey> blah='something'
[08:38] <intelikey> VERIABLE='this is a test, this is only a test'  ; echo $VERIABLE
[08:40] <intelikey> VERIABLE=''    or    unset VERIABLE     clears it.
[08:40] <intelikey> we try by default to use caps for ver names and lower case for commands...
[08:41] <firebird619> I have Ubuntu Edgy Eft installed. I have Beryl installed on GNOME. I installed KDE tonight and would like to get Beryl working on it as well. Could someone help me out?
[08:42] <Jucato> firebird619: probably in #ubuntu-xgl?
[08:42] <Lynoure> intelikey: what's a veriable?
[08:42] <Jucato> #ubuntu-xgl
[08:42] <firebird619> Jucato: Ok, Thank You.
[08:42] <Lynoure> intelikey: something that need verifying?
[08:42] <intelikey> pfft i've been talking to my self all evening.
[08:42] <intelikey> Lynoure no.
[08:42] <Lynoure> :)
[08:43] <intelikey> run the test i showed....
[08:43] <Lynoure> intelikey: dict didn't help either...
[08:44] <intelikey> VERIABLE='this is a test, this is only a test!'  ; echo "$VERIABLE $VERIABLE $VERIABLE $VERIABLE"
[08:44] <Lynoure> I know the test eches the VERIABLE
[08:45] <Lynoure> But never mind, I'll stick to varibles myself.
[08:45] <seishinbyou> Or variables, even
[08:45] <Lynoure> seishinbyou: typoables, certainly
[08:46] <intelikey> where are they useful ?    in loop statements for one.   example; Q=1 ;until [ $Q = 20 ]  ;do echo $Q ; Q=$(($Q + 1)) ;done
[08:46] <Lynoure> intelikey: you mean veriables as in verchar? =)
[08:47] <firebird619> How do I get something to start when KDE starts, for example beryl-manager
[08:47] <Lynoure> (Sorry, could not resist)
[08:47] <Jucato> firebird619: in ~/.kde/Autostart
[08:47] <intelikey> no
[08:47] <seishinbyou> ~/.kde/Autostart
[08:47] <firebird619> Jucato: Great, thanks.
[08:47] <intelikey> firebird619 link it ^ there
[08:48] <intelikey> link it or script it there
[08:49] <duane> i have an external usb soundcard, how do I get KDE to output sounds to the external soundcard instead of the internal one?
[08:49] <firebird619> intelikey: Do I use Link to Application?
[08:49] <intelikey> ln -s /usr/bin/app-name ~/.kde/Autostart/something
[08:49] <cpk2> anyone here use myspace? the player thing that plays music on myspace seems to be broken for me =\ and I would like to fix it
[08:50] <intelikey> probably not.
[08:50] <intelikey> @ firebird619
[08:50] <intelikey> firebird619 that don't sound like the proper process for that.  that sounds more like setting up a mime type.
[08:51] <firebird619> intelikey: I tried Link to Application. I am restarting now, will see if it works.
[08:54] <thyko> !kde header
[08:54] <reon> How do you run an application from the terminal so it returns the terminal to you when the app is started ???
[08:54] <thyko> !headers
[08:54] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[08:54] <seishinbyou> (application name) &
[08:54] <livingdaylight> In Ubuntu we can install a gmail notifier in ADD/Remove programs. Kubuntus version doesn't have it?
[08:55] <livingdaylight> Also Konqueror doesn't have extensions and add-ons available like FireFox?
[08:55] <Jucato> livingdaylight: Kubuntu and Ubuntu share the same repos, so Kubuntu will have it too
[08:55] <thyko> !kde headers
[08:55] <livingdaylight> Jucato: hi :D
[08:56] <livingdaylight> Jucato: well...you know ADD/Remove Programs you helped me find yesterday? In Ubuntu it is vast and extensive; much more so than Kubuntu from what i can tell
[08:56] <pa> Hello, I bought an IDE DVD burner, along with an external usb enclosure.  In windows XP everything works fine (i have a laptop, hence why it's external), under linux, in dmesg, i get that the device runs at low speed instead
[08:56] <pa> of usb 2.0 speed... why's that?
[08:57] <livingdaylight> Jucato: In Ubuntu we get a gmail notifier that sits in the taskbar i don't see it in Kubuntu here, - but maybe you're right and it is in the repositorires - will search in synaptic now
[08:57] <pa> in device manager, i can see that everything is hooked up to standard ohci... when it should be ehci..
[08:57] <Jucato> livingdaylight: the problem is if it's meant to work on GNOME only (gnome-panel). but if it's a system tray app, it might work on KDE too
[09:00] <pa> anyone?
[09:02] <pa> is there a way to change on the fly the ohci module that runs my usb port for the ehci module instead?
[09:03] <firebird619> intelikey: As you assumed, that Link to Application was not right. The command you gave me, can I use any name at the end where you put something?
[09:04] <Jucato> firebird619: you can drag and drop the beryl-manager file to ~/.kde/Autostart folder and select "Link here" in the popup box that appears
[09:05] <firebird619> Jucato: Ok, Thanks. Are you familiar with Beryl? One question I had about it was I see in so many screenshots, etc. that the cube is zoomed out and the user can spin it manually and so forth. How do I set that up?
[09:06] <Jucato> firebird619: sorry, no
[09:06] <livingdaylight> Jucato: found several options in repositories
[09:07] <firebird619> Jucato: Ok, thanks.
[09:07] <Jucato> livingdaylight: looks like gmail-notify would work in both GNOME and KDE, since it's written in python
[09:10] <intelikey> firebird619 yessir
[09:12] <cpk2> how exactly is "virt" calculated when you do top?
[09:12] <firebird619> intelikey: Ok, thats what I thought so I ran that command. I am having so much trouble with Ubuntu right now, for example, the KDE Panel disappears on startup, all I see is wallpaper, and before that the Window borders were disappearing. What is causing these problems. I had similar problems in Gnome where the window borders were flickering.
[09:12] <_d> has anyone successfully turned off the password/screen lock after hibernating edgy?
[09:13] <T3hWiz0rd> rawr
[09:13] <intelikey> what command did you run ?
[09:13] <intelikey> firebird619 ?
[09:15] <firebird619> intellikey: ln -s /usr/bin/beryl-manager ~/.kde/Autostart/Beryl. These problems were happening without Beryl running, at least in KDE anyway.
[09:15] <livingdaylight> Jucato: mail notification looks awesome
[09:15] <intelikey> ok  but i think you may want to start beryl-manager before kde..... not sure....
[09:15] <firebird619> intellikey: I have also been having problems with Ubuntu starting all together. I had done a clean install of Edgy, but that didn't fix anything. Could my problems be hardware related?
[09:16] <Jucato> livingdaylight: hehehe. sorry wouldn't know. I just use KMail :)
[09:16] <livingdaylight> Jucato: multi mail notifier including gmail and pop3 accounts
[09:16] <intelikey> k i have to go...
[09:16] <livingdaylight> Jucato: how does kmail notify you? or do you keep it constantly open?
[09:16] <Jucato> livingdaylight: it's running in the background. notifies me through the system tray :)
[09:17] <livingdaylight> Jucato: maybe i didn't know how to set it up properly, but although i ticked for kmail to check mail every few minutes i was never notified until i manually went and checked
[09:18] <Jucato> livingdaylight: oh? that's strange
[09:18] <livingdaylight> Jucato: but this client is great - does multi email accounts simultaneously - useful if one has more than one email account
[09:18] <livingdaylight> Jucato: yes, i thought so too :)
[09:20] <cpk2> what client is great?
[09:20] <Jucato> kmail :P
[09:20] <cpk2> heh, seconded
[09:21] <Jucato> lol. I thought you were going to say that Evolution was greater :)
[09:21] <cpk2> i remember trying to use evolution once
[09:21] <cpk2> many many moons ago
[09:22] <livingdaylight> LOL
[09:22] <livingdaylight> cpk2: and you gave up?
[09:22] <Jucato> I like that fact that I can launch KMail separately from Kontact if I want to
[09:23] <Jucato> I also didn't like Evo's UI very much...
[09:23] <livingdaylight> cpk2: i was referring to the client that notifies of mail. Mail Notifier i just found in Repositories. Multi mail notifier - great tool!
[09:23] <Jucato> reminded me too much of Outlook express
[09:23] <cpk2> gkrellm notifies
[09:23] <Jucato> livingdaylight: gmail-notifier is *not* a mail client :)
[09:24] <livingdaylight> Jucato: i know but it is a client? :s
[09:24] <Jucato> nope
[09:24] <Jucato> it's just a notifier. plain and simple :)
[09:24] <livingdaylight> Jucato: also evolution has tools that don't work. Like newsgroups just don't open in evolution
[09:24] <cpk2> gkrellm is a multimail notifier
[09:24] <Jucato> newsgroups? do those still exist?
[09:25] <livingdaylight> cpk2: i didn't see that in repos,
[09:25] <livingdaylight> Jucato: lol, yes, they do
[09:25] <cpk2> !info gkrellm
[09:25] <ubotu> gkrellm: The GNU Krell Monitors. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.9-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 733 kB, installed size 2060 kB
[09:25] <david_> hi people
[09:25] <cpk2> its actually a system monitor
[09:25] <cpk2> and happens to have a multi mail notifier =P
[09:25] <Jucato> aaah! gkrellm!!!
[09:26] <Jucato> so that's how it was spelled...
[09:26] <livingdaylight> cpk2: oh...better than my mail notifier than?
[09:26] <david_> can you help me?A i have kubuntu linux and I cant install programs
[09:26] <livingdaylight> david_: lol, whats up?
[09:26] <cpk2> livingdaylight: I have no idea what your mail notifier is =)
[09:26] <livingdaylight> david_: i mean why not?
[09:27] <Jucato> cpk2: he's using gmail-notifier, afaik
[09:27] <cpk2> well never used it heh
[09:27] <cpk2> but I am testing to see if gkrellm will work with my gmail account
[09:27] <livingdaylight> Jucato: no just mail notification which included gmail
[09:27] <cpk2> gkrellm also does local mail
[09:27] <Jucato> ah
[09:28] <cpk2> i mean hey kmail integrates into other kde crap
[09:28] <Jucato> correction!
[09:28] <Jucato> kde krap
[09:28] <cpk2> david_: what are you trying to install buddy?
[09:28] <cpk2> haha
[09:29] <cpk2> my apologies
[09:29] <Jucato> ok enough -offtopic... help out david_!!!
[09:29] <david_> it write : The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[09:29] <livingdaylight> cpk2: i asked david_ too but he don't respond
[09:30] <dognews> hi
[09:30] <Jucato> david_: what did you do before this started happening?
[09:30] <livingdaylight> hi, dognews, What's new?
[09:30] <Jucato> lol! e-mail monologue :P
[09:31] <Jucato> livingdaylight: system monitor, they say much better than lm-sensors
[09:31] <livingdaylight> cpk2: check Mail Notification
[09:31] <david_> I install linux and I want to install some programs but it is impossible
[09:31] <solemnwarning-lt> !edgy
[09:31] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[09:32] <livingdaylight> david_: people are trying to help you...but you have to help them help you, ok :)
[09:32] <david_> livingdaylight: ok :)
[09:33] <Jucato> going away for a while... take care! :P
[09:33] <livingdaylight> Jucato: laters :D
[09:33] <cpk2> hah gkrellm works with gmail!
[09:34] <cpk2> later Jucato
[09:34] <livingdaylight> cpk2
[09:34] <livingdaylight> cpk2: cool! i've just installed it myself
[09:34] <cpk2> well my gmail account using kmail
[09:35] <livingdaylight> cpk2: huh?
[09:35] <cpk2> david_: so did you do apt-setup and then apt-get update in a terminal
[09:35] <cpk2> livingdaylight: gkrellm can open your mailclient for you too
[09:35] <livingdaylight> cpk2: i get that, but the bit you said about gmail being able to use Kmail?
[09:35] <dognews> what programm can I use for recording mp3 (not wav) files using microphone input? (there is a great programm for win with the name "mp3directcut" - but I can't find something like that for linux)
[09:36] <livingdaylight> cpk2: that was a bit of  a bombshell... :p
[09:36] <cpk2> livingdaylight: my gmail account
[09:36] <cpk2> dognews: why not record and wave and go to mp3? (or better yet flac?)
[09:36] <cpk2> which i access via kmail
[09:37] <livingdaylight> cpk2: ah...yes, that makes sense
[09:37] <livingdaylight> cpk2: i used to do that in Opera
[09:37] <livingdaylight> cpk2: a bit too much hassle setting up thogh
[09:37] <cpk2> the gmail web access page is kinda awkward
[09:38] <Werdna> whoa, the new kubuntu is A+
[09:38] <cpk2> and setting up kmail to access your gmail account is *simple*
[09:38] <dognews> cpk2: 1. takes a lot of space 2. a lot of time for reencoding ... it's just easier and faster recording mp3 and then splitting ist directly with e.g. mp3splt ;)
[09:39] <david_> cpk2: thanks, I was try it before,but it doesn't help
[09:39] <cpk2> I am assuming krec doesnt do mp3
[09:40] <livingdaylight> Werdna: yea...just keeps getting better right? :p
[09:40] <Werdna> :-)
[09:40] <Werdna> I'm a bit annoyed though, it broked my ndiswrapper
[09:40] <livingdaylight> Kubuntu You Rock!
[09:40] <Werdna> where do the "kernel build files" live?
[09:41] <livingdaylight> *gulp*
[09:41] <livingdaylight> david_: you there still?
[09:41] <cpk2> or krecord
[09:42] <david_> livingdaylight yes, I ' m there
[09:42] <livingdaylight> david_: so, what's happening?
[09:42] <Werdna> ah, kernel-build
[09:42] <david_> livingdaylight: I cant install
[09:42] <dognews> cpk2: nope, doesn't seem to :(
[09:42] <livingdaylight> david_: so, you've just installed kubuntu?
[09:43] <david_> livingdaylight : yes
[09:43] <livingdaylight> david_: and you've not installed anything on your fresh install ever?
[09:44] <david_> livingdaylight: no programs
[09:44] <livingdaylight> david_: no, nothing or no programs?
[09:44] <dognews> cpk2: krecord either
[09:44] <david_> livingdaylight: nothing
[09:44] <cpk2> well there is an app that splits wav into tracks =P
[09:45] <livingdaylight> david_: ok, and how have you tried to, and what have you tried to install?
[09:46] <livingdaylight> david_: i need you to be more responsive than you're being if i'm gonna try
[09:46] <david_> livingdaylight: I click on K-menu and click on Add/remove programs then I input root password and then it say :
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[09:46] <david_> [09:31]  <david_> I install linux and I want to install some programs but it is impossible
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[09:46] <david_> [09:31]  <solemnwarning-lt> !edgy
[09:46] <david_> [09:31]  <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see
[09:47] <anatema> hi all
[09:47] <cpk2> well thats odd it certainly shouldnt output the irc channel
[09:47] <cpk2> =)
[09:47] <david_> please wait
[09:47] <david_> and then it say The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[09:48] <livingdaylight> david_: ok, and that doesn't help, i hear
[09:48] <livingdaylight> david_: close all that, and try using Adept. Have you tried Adept?
[09:49] <david_> adept? what is it?
[09:50] <felixjet> what happen if i do a make install without do "make" before?
[09:50] <felixjet> xD
[09:50] <cpk2> or how about following the instructions it gives and doing apt-setup?
[09:50] <livingdaylight> cpk2: he tried that
[09:50] <livingdaylight> cpk2: apparently ;)
[09:50] <cpk2> oh i just read the log more carefully =P
[09:51] <cpk2> what did apt-setup say?
[09:51] <livingdaylight> david_: Adept is the gui [graphical utility interface]  front end of APT. You find it in Applications/System
[09:51] <david_> cpk2: command not found
[09:52] <Kiongku> !adept
[09:52] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[09:52] <livingdaylight> Kiongku: lol, that's how you do it :D
[09:53] <Kiongku> ?
[09:53] <david_> livingdaylight: it say the same sentences The APT Database....
[09:53] <cpk2> apt-setup is part of the live cd installer
[09:53] <Furesho> can kubuntu read windows icons?
[09:54] <livingdaylight> david_: are you in the live cd? or have you made an installation?
[09:54] <Kiongku> windows icons?
[09:55] <david_> livingdaylight: I have made installation on HDD
[09:55] <Furesho> yeah.
[09:55] <Furesho> .ico files
[09:55] <cpk2> david_: and you are booting from the HDD right?
[09:56] <david_> cpk2: yes
[09:56] <livingdaylight> david_: ok, ok...geez...i'm only a noob myself. I really don't knw what to suggest. People like cpk2 know much more than i do. I'd say reinstall.
[09:56] <cpk2> nonsense
[09:56] <cpk2> reinstall is never an option!
[09:56] <Kiongku> !icoutils
[09:56] <ubotu> icoutils: Create and extract MS Windows icons and cursors. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.25.0-1 (edgy), package size 62 kB, installed size 172 kB
[09:56] <cpk2> unless you are lazy =)
[09:56] <livingdaylight> david_: what system have you got?
[09:56] <Kiongku> Furesho: might be u need that package but no idea
[09:56] <Emess> wierd, kafeine still wont open
[09:57] <cpk2> david_: when you do apt-get update what does it say?
[09:57] <livingdaylight> cpk2: sometimes its got to be an option :>
[09:57] <david_> livingdaylight: kubuntu 6.06
[09:57] <Furesho> kthx
[09:57] <cpk2> livingdaylight: yah, if like i said, you are lazy it's an option =P
[09:57] <livingdaylight> david_: did you add repositories?
[09:58] <david_> cpk2: it installed some pacakges from internet buti it doesnt help
[09:58] <cpk2> david_: update doesnt install anything
[09:58] <Electrolyte> Today I should hopefully be getting a 6800 GT to test in Kubuntu :)
[09:58] <cpk2> david_: it didnt give you any errors?
[09:58] <Electrolyte> Getting rid of my X850XT :)
[09:58] <david_> livingdaylight: what is it?
[09:58] <dognews> is there a programm which I can use for doing something like: "record-wav-from-mic | lame - bla.mp3"
[09:59] <livingdaylight> cpk2: david_ has installed dapper - wondering if he's added edgy repos from the guide
[09:59] <livingdaylight> david_: lol, if you're asking then you obviously havn't. If you had you'd know
[09:59] <livingdaylight> !repos
[09:59] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:59] <david_> cpk2: no,no errors
[10:00] <livingdaylight> david_: repositories are internet based locations where programs are stored. They are graded in mainly 4 categories
[10:00] <cpk2> david_: ok so do sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:01] <Jucato> actually, 4 compenents per repository... and there are 4 repositories (8, if you include the source repositories...) :)
[10:02] <livingdaylight> Jucato: ahh..thx for claryifying :D
[10:03] <GnarusLeo> Hi ... I was just wondering if its possible to change the Device Icons automaticly generated for each device by KDE?
[10:03] <MetaMorfoziS> if i, with mkdev.sh can't get a noname notebook's sensors values, where the hell the acpi knows? because that switches the fans, or not?
[10:03] <livingdaylight> cpk2: that is what i was wondering
[10:03] <cpk2> upgrade is taking an awfully long time
[10:03] <livingdaylight> cpk2: he's looking for terminal
[10:04] <cpk2> livingdaylight: eh?
[10:04] <livingdaylight> cpk2: what?
[10:04] <cpk2> [01:07]  <livingdaylight> cpk2: he's looking for terminal ???
[10:05] <livingdaylight> cpk2: yea, to punch in sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:05] <cpk2> doesnt take that long to find konsole does it?
[10:05] <livingdaylight> david_: kooohoooooo....have you don't sudo apt-get upgrade?
[10:05] <Jucato> *cough*done*cough*&
[10:05] <livingdaylight> cpk2: no, lol, it was a joke
[10:06] <cpk2> david_: ping
[10:06] <david_> livingdaylight: I try it,it still works,and install something from internet
[10:06] <Kiongku> Jucato to the rescue!!
[10:06] <Jucato> why would I go to the rescue? I'm quite comfy here thank you :)
[10:06] <livingdaylight> david_: it still works?
[10:06] <cpk2> david_: upgrade will install stuff from the interent
[10:06] <cpk2> the internet as well
[10:06] <pielgrzym> ok, I've got a HUGE problem
[10:07] <Kiongku> Jucato the lazy hero!
[10:07] <pielgrzym> system boot up
[10:07] <pielgrzym> but nothing seems to work
[10:07] <Jucato> Kiongku: nah. just "the lazy..."
[10:07] <Kiongku> hahaha
[10:07] <livingdaylight> Kiongku: Jucato will swoop down to the rescue when all else have failed :)
[10:07] <pielgrzym> each bash command results with 'command not found" (though kde is running)
[10:07] <Kiongku> livingdaylight: u mean he'll run away when all else have failed
[10:07] <pielgrzym> the same goes for kde apps - I get 'service damaged' message
[10:08] <pielgrzym> pls help people
[10:08] <livingdaylight> Kiongku: hahaha
[10:08] <Kiongku> service damaged?
[10:08] <pielgrzym> Kiongku: yes
[10:08] <pielgrzym> for example:
[10:08] <pielgrzym> Service '/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop' is
[10:08] <pielgrzym> damaged
[10:08] <Jucato> O_O
[10:09] <pielgrzym> it's a CLEAN install
[10:09] <pielgrzym> It happens usualy at firs boot
[10:09] <pielgrzym> first
[10:09] <pielgrzym> next boot is ok
[10:09] <root> hola
[10:09] <pielgrzym> could it be related to initng?
[10:09] <cpk2> i say give it a firm talking to
[10:09] <livingdaylight> pielgrzym: well thank God for that at least
[10:09] <Kiongku> hmm
[10:09] <livingdaylight> root: hola!
[10:09] <livingdaylight> !es
[10:09] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:09] <root> como configurar ltsp en kubuntu
[10:09] <Kiongku> pielgrzym: rather is ur hdd good?.. seems like data corruption o.O?
[10:09] <root> por favor
[10:10] <pielgrzym> livingdaylight: cool, but I want to kill a random edgy developer for this shit :[
[10:10] <pielgrzym> Kiongku: hhd's are fine :(
[10:10] <livingdaylight> pielgrzym: lol :)
[10:10] <Kiongku> hmm
[10:10] <Jucato> hm...
[10:10] <pielgrzym> cpu usage is constant 75% though I don't do nothing
[10:10] <livingdaylight> pielgrzym: does it even have to be an Edgy developer?
[10:11] <Kiongku> kill the cd..
[10:11] <livingdaylight> Jucato 's interest is being stirred...
[10:11] <pielgrzym> can't check whats using cpu because nor top neither other commands work
[10:11] <Jucato> not really
[10:11] <Jucato> livingdaylight: quite the reverse
[10:11] <Kiongku> did u try /usr/bin/top?
[10:11] <livingdaylight> hehe
[10:11] <pielgrzym> bash: /usr/bin/top: Input/output error
[10:12] <Kiongku> hmm
[10:12] <Kiongku> mine shows top
[10:12] <pielgrzym> I can browse the disk
[10:12] <Jucato> pielgrzym: did anything out of the ordinary happened during your installation?
[10:12] <Mike2k6> Hello all, im currently a windows users who has just downloaded kubuntu, and ive heard how complex it can be to install linux compared to windows, i have chosen kubuntu and was wondering if anyone could prep me for anything i may run into while installing kubuntu that is not newbie friendly. :)
[10:12] <Kiongku> something wrong with ur I/O devices..
[10:12] <cpk2> is there anything in /usr/bin/?
[10:12] <pielgrzym> but lss doesn't seem to work (IO error)
[10:12] <pielgrzym> Jucato: nope
[10:12] <cpk2> Mike2k6: its incredibly easy =)
[10:12] <pielgrzym> cpk2: there is - next time I boot everything will be fine
[10:12] <Kiongku> Mike2k6: installing linux is very easy now.. only if u want to configure it a lot then it gets tricky
[10:13] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: have you heard that?
[10:13] <Mike2k6> heard what?
[10:13] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: how easy is windows to install?
[10:13] <Jucato> pielgrzym: that is really strange then, as this is the first time I've heard of such an issue...
[10:13] <Mike2k6> very easy, put the cd in, direct bios to boot to cd and thats it.
[10:13] <cpk2> Mike2k6: actually I would rate kubuntu being easier and faster to install than windows
[10:13] <Mike2k6> hit the r key and c eky
[10:13] <pielgrzym> Jucato: what really drives me mad is that noone can reproduce it and thus no dev wants to investigate :(((
[10:13] <Kiongku> agreed.. windows is so slow
[10:13] <Mike2k6> well i was informed that i would have to install partitions
[10:14] <Mike2k6> im fed up with all the spyware and viruses i keep getting on windows with just normal usage.
[10:14] <Jucato> pielgrzym: not enough reason to want to kill a dev, though :(
[10:14] <pielgrzym> I'm pretty sure it's due to initng or whatever this is called
[10:14] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: welcome to Kubuntu - good choice :) you will find it as easy then if not easier - plunk your cd in tray and away you go
[10:14] <cpk2> Mike2k6: are you planning on keeping windows?
[10:14] <Kiongku> Mike2k6: ya u need to make partitions but the installer helps u with it
[10:14] <Mike2k6> cp hell no
[10:14] <Mike2k6> lol
[10:14] <Mike2k6> i only got bootleg versions anyways, its probably what karma intended
[10:14] <Kiongku> Mike2k6: nice.. then do a clean format and the installer handles the remaining
[10:14] <cpk2> Mike2k6: then you dont need to worry about partitions
[10:15] <pielgrzym> funny thing is that the apps ran by kde (apps remembered in a session) work :) thats why I can IRC now :)
[10:15] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: lol, then don't worry about partitions, kill windows. you can select installer to partition automatically
[10:15] <cpk2> Mike2k6: if you arent saving any partitions then the installer will do the work for you
[10:15] <Mike2k6> i figure i can use wine for any windows apps i absolutely have to run
[10:15] <pielgrzym> there's even more
[10:15] <pielgrzym> if I go to tty1
[10:15] <Kiongku> Mike2k6: but be warned wine not guaranteed to run al windows programs
[10:15] <pielgrzym> I CAN'T LOGIN
[10:15] <pielgrzym> so it's for sure not kde fault
[10:15] <Mike2k6> kion: well of course not, linux is always in development somehow :-
[10:16] <Mike2k6> thank god there is free windows alternatives such as kubuntu
[10:16] <Kiongku> pielgrzym: ur linux is missing something relaly important then.. did u check cd for defects before starting?
[10:16] <Mike2k6> how long would you say it takes to install kubuntu?
[10:16] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: do you use windows professionally?
[10:16] <Kiongku> Mike2k6: 30 mins at most?
[10:16] <Vipercat> totally new to linux so please excuse stupid questions but what the difference between a tar and a rpm file ?
[10:16] <Kiongku> Mike2k6: what modem are u using though.. ethernet?
[10:16] <Mike2k6> yeah yeah rj 45
[10:17] <pielgrzym> Kiongku: of course :) after destroying my dapper with dist-upgrade I was very, very causious
[10:17] <livingdaylight> perfect
[10:17] <Mike2k6> i already downloaded it
[10:17] <Kiongku> a tar is a compressed file while rpm is the package for red hate distros
[10:17] <pielgrzym> cautious
[10:17] <MistaED> Mike2k6: my cdrom was slow on this machine and it took 45 minutes, but on faster machines it has been 20-30 mins on average
[10:17] <Mike2k6> i was using knoppix the other day just to test linux out when someone reccomended kubuntu
[10:17] <Kiongku> *red hat
[10:17] <Kiongku> rj 45 = dial up?
[10:17] <pielgrzym> ok, guys I'm doing a reboot and hopefully everything will be ok :(
[10:17] <Mike2k6> rj 45 is another word for an ethernet port
[10:17] <Mike2k6> rj 11 is the phone jack
[10:17] <Mike2k6> its a motherboard term
[10:17] <Kiongku> oh sorry not used to ethernet things a lot though
[10:17] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: like i said Kubuntu is a good choice. But there are other arguably even friendlier to window users, distros out there
[10:17] <Vipercat> whats a red hat distro and how do i know which one to use
[10:18] <Mike2k6> living: i plan to use it first to get used to it and then convert my friends and family, cause windows is suckin nowdays, i got a perfectly good computer with 1gb ram etc and it runs slower than a donkey
[10:18] <Kiongku> Vipercat: ur currently using the kubuntu distro if ur here.. red hat is just another linux distribution
[10:18] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: do you already know what window apps you want to run? like i asked is it for personal or business too?
[10:18] <MistaED> ubuntu/kubuntu is easy but it doesn't dumb anything down to be a windows clone like other easier distros strive to do
[10:19] <Mike2k6> living: oh just personal apps i guess, however i plan to start a business one day
[10:19] <livingdaylight> MistaED: i agree, but for some a linux window clone may be preferable
[10:19] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: dude, then its perfect
[10:19] <Mike2k6> living: like xandros lol
[10:20] <Kiongku> Mike2k6: go have a test drive with the cd
[10:20] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: lol, you know already :p Linspire too
[10:20] <Mike2k6> kion: tested knoppix live cd last night
[10:20] <Mike2k6> well ill be back in around 20-30 mins then, or not, ill let ya know how it goes
[10:20] <david_> THANK YOU ALL ESPECIALLY LIVINGDAYLIGHT AND CPK2, it run and I can install programs
[10:20] <Kiongku> Mike2k6: now test kubuntu :P and i u like it just start the conversion right away and we talk about fine tunings later..
[10:20] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: what Kiongku means is test with teh kubuntu live cd and when you feel ready just click 'Installer'
[10:21] <livingdaylight> david_: Kool, what happened?
[10:21] <Kiongku> His pc was enlightened by the power of livingdaylight and cpk2
[10:21] <Mike2k6> living: oh? does the cd have a formatting program on it like the windows xp cd? cause waiting for your comp to format using dos takes FOREVER and a day
[10:21] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: oh, and see you on the other side shortly :)
[10:21] <Kiongku> Mike2k6: is has its own format program with the installer
[10:21] <david_> livingdaylight: I try sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:22] <Mike2k6> AMEN KIONGKU!
[10:22] <Mike2k6> lol
[10:22] <Kiongku> Mike2k6: think the format is quite fast and stratight forward
[10:22] <Mike2k6> ciao my new friends! lol
[10:22] <Mike2k6> 1 thing tho.
[10:22] <Mike2k6> eff windows.
[10:22] <Kiongku> well i just upgrade to egy 2 days ago.. crashed yesterday and reinstalled and already set up XD
[10:22] <Kiongku> i still dunt know what the heck kdesu went into
[10:23] <livingdaylight> Kiongku: did kedsu cause you trouble?
[10:23] <Kiongku> livingdaylight: yup like.. not working
[10:23] <Kiongku> what does cpk means?
[10:23] <livingdaylight> woah...cpk1 soon you will just be cpk?
[10:23] <pielgrzym> now everything is fine
[10:24] <Kiongku> Captain Power Kool
[10:24] <pielgrzym> what part of system is responsible for running applications?
[10:24] <livingdaylight> Kiongku: i also experienced trouble with kdesu ..... i think [was yesterday afterall] 
[10:24] <Kiongku> hahah
[10:24] <Kiongku> pielgrzym: running? kde programs?
[10:25] <cpk1> livingdaylight: i finally got cpk1 to be dropped =D
[10:25] <Vipercat> what file type do i need to download to installa program onto kubuntu and what do i use to install it ?
[10:25] <pielgrzym> Kiongku: running all programs, services etc. something very close to kernel? a kernel? :)
[10:25] <cpk1> livingdaylight: and no, i like cpk1 more than cpk =)
[10:25] <Kiongku> Vipercat: look for adept
[10:25] <Kiongku> !adept
[10:25] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[10:25] <pielgrzym> I'm making a bug report and have to choose a package :)
[10:26] <Kiongku> pielgrzym: i'm not so technical as that.. i only know that i need a terminal and i just call them XD..
[10:26] <duane> how the hell can i make kde save sessions on logout and reload previous session on logout?
[10:26] <duane> i cant find the option anymore
[10:26] <Kiongku> duane: press alt+F2 then type kcontrol and go look
[10:27] <eilker> !lamp
[10:27] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[10:27] <Kiongku> bleh.. not puttin a server..
[10:28] <Kiongku> LOl the client and the user left
[10:28] <Kiongku> now missing only server
[10:30] <eilker> !apache > eilker
[10:31] <Kiongku> !apache > Kiongku
[10:35] <eeos> has anyone been able to use microsoft internet explorer on kubuntu using wine?
[10:36] <xsacha> yes
[10:36] <Jucato> eeos: ies4linux
[10:36] <xsacha> i dunno about ie7
[10:36] <eeos> xsacha can you give me some hints
[10:36] <xsacha> the distro shouldnt really matter eeos
[10:36] <eeos> xsacha I need ie 6 something
[10:37] <eeos> xsacha I was used to mandriva, was quite quick to configure
[10:37] <dudemeister> i have a question about upgrading to edge. i have some hand-compiled programs and an alternative window manager installed. when i do the upgrade will it all be kept?
[10:37] <eeos> xsacha having problem with kubuntu
[10:37] <xsacha> what's problem?
[10:37] <Jucato> eeos: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[10:37] <eeos> Jucato thanks
[10:37] <eeos> xsacha installed wine, cannot find winecfg
[10:38] <livingdaylight> Wine is just something i drink - never install
[10:38] <xsacha> oh, just type in: winecfg ?
[10:38] <Jucato> eeos: Alt+F2, "winecfg"
[10:38] <Jucato> *but*
[10:38] <eeos> Jucato thanks for the link!
[10:39] <eeos> Jucato xsacha  followed documentation, winecfg is not on the system :(
[10:39] <Jucato> if you press Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol", there's a Wine Configuration GUI in the Administration group
[10:39] <livingdaylight> Wondering: Do folks in Kubuntu use Konqueror for browsing or immediately install Firefox?
[10:39] <xsacha> if you installed it, it should have gone to /usr/bin/winecfg
[10:39] <cpk1> I'm using konq
[10:39] <cpk1> they seem the same to me
[10:39] <xsacha> eeos: what method of installation? did you use the debs for 0.9.24?
[10:39] <eeos> xsacha it is not there, cannot find it with whereis
[10:39] <Jucato> cpk1: it would be useful if you're trying to develop for cross-browser compatibility
[10:40] <livingdaylight> cpk1: they look quite different things. Yes, of course they are browser clients.
[10:40] <eeos> xsacha I used the recommended repository on winehq
[10:40] <xsacha> argh, why not use the kubuntu one?
[10:40] <Jucato> eeos: you're on Dapper, I presume?
[10:40] <livingdaylight> cpk1: And Konqueror doesn't have all the add-ons /Extensions available, ami right?
[10:40] <eeos> Jucato yes
[10:40] <cpk1> xsacha: because the wine in the default repos is *old*
[10:40] <xsacha> is it only on edgy?
[10:40] <cpk1> livingdaylight: such as what?
[10:40] <xsacha> i got 0.9.23 deb last week
[10:41] <Jucato> xsacha: no. but the winehq repo is only for Dapper
[10:41] <livingdaylight> cpk1: well, FF comes with hundreds of extensions and themes, dictionaries mail notifiers etc etc...
[10:41] <Jucato> eeos: that would be strange, since winecfg comes with wine automatically
[10:41] <eeos> Jucato xsacha could it e that I am using kubuntu for amd64?
[10:41] <Jucato> oh!
[10:41] <Jucato> yes of course
[10:41] <xsacha> i am also using amd64 kubuntu
[10:42] <xsacha> but use 32-bit wine still, run it with linux32
[10:42] <Jucato> I though wine only works on 32bit?
[10:42] <cpk1> livingdaylight: the only thing that I used in FF was adblock and konq has one already
[10:42] <wedgeV> livingdaylight: thats why i use firefox now again, i'm used to some of those extension
[10:42] <Jucato> ah there
[10:42] <eeos> xsacha COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE 32 BIT THING?
[10:42] <Jucato> livingdaylight: just a matter of personal preference. even though Fx has hundreds of extensions, I have no need of any of them. so extensions are not a convincing factor for *me* :)
[10:43] <eeos> xsacha sorry for uppercae
[10:43] <livingdaylight> Jucato: naturally, yes...
[10:43] <xsacha> do you have linux32? there's only a 32-bit version and it iwll install as 32-bit, so no need to worry.. just need linux32 (and the libs) to run it
[10:43] <cpk1> Jucato: ditto
[10:43] <Kiongku> kopete + msn = bad combo
[10:43] <xsacha> it doesnt change the fact that you dont have winecfg -- and you need it :P
[10:43] <cpk1> although I have a bit of a browser problem right now...
[10:43] <Jucato> now, Google services, on the other hand, is a *big* convincing factor for me to use Fx *sometimes*
[10:43] <cpk1> google services?
[10:44] <xsacha> ajax...
[10:44] <Jucato> cpk1: google products
[10:44] <wedgeV> they work fine in konqueror for me
[10:44] <eeos> xsacha how do I force installtion of wine 32 bit?
[10:44] <Jucato> Reader, Blogger, Docs & Spreadsheets, Calendar, Page Creator
[10:44] <xsacha> wine will *only* install as 32-bit,
[10:44] <Jucato> Notebook, Picasa Web
[10:44] <eeos> xsacha do I downloa dpackages and then install, or do I create a chroot?
[10:44] <Jucato> only Gmail works perfectly
[10:44] <xsacha> eeos: it's just a normal install..
[10:45] <xsacha> did you do a howto?
[10:45] <xsacha> you might need --force-architecture ?
[10:45] <cpk1> you use gmail in your browser?
[10:45] <cpk1> pretty sure you need a chroot
[10:45] <Jucato> cpk1: only to "mark as read" the e-mails
[10:45] <xsacha> no
[10:45] <cpk1> Jucato: I have 300 unread if I open gmail in a browser =)
[10:46] <Jucato> cpk1: hehe.. that's why
[10:46] <cpk1> Jucato: and i think there is an option to mark them as read when you get them via pop3
[10:46] <Jucato> and it's extremely hard to mark them all! :)
[10:46] <Jucato> cpk1: no. POP3 doesn't do that afaik
[10:46] <xsacha> try this eeos: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185557
[10:46] <eeos> xsacha sorry, I do not know about the --force-architecture. could you please axplain.
[10:46] <Jucato> it only deletes from the server once downloaded
[10:46] <xsacha> sudo dpkg --force-architecture -i wine_0.9.23~winehq0~ubuntu~6.06-1_i386.deb
[10:46] <felixjet> where is the option to create that button in the titlebars to collapse the window
[10:46] <xsacha> this is exact line i used
[10:47] <Jucato> felixjet: you mean shading windows?
[10:47] <xsacha> it works on edgy too, i used the dapper one on edgy :P
[10:48] <felixjet> Jucato:  its a button at the left of toolbar, that when u press it, the whole window "hide" in the tool bar, and click again and it expand
[10:48] <felixjet> do you understand?
[10:49] <xsacha> sounds like shade
[10:49] <felixjet> i dunno how is tech name
[10:49] <xsacha> double click the titlebar
[10:49] <duane> how can i get kde to save and reload previous session at startup?
[10:49] <Jucato> toolbar or the window titlebar?
[10:49] <duane> i cant find the option
[10:49] <felixjet> titlebar
[10:49] <xsacha> (unless, like me you changed double click to maximise :))
[10:49] <duane> there was a session thing in control center in dapper
[10:49] <Jucato> duane: Edgy?
[10:49] <felixjet> it maximize xsacha :(
[10:50] <Jucato> duane: System Settings -> Advanced -> Session Manager
[10:50] <xsacha> you changed it too? :)
[10:50] <felixjet> wait, can i paste here a url with an image?
[10:50] <Jucato> felixjet: yes
[10:50] <duane> 5hqnkw
[10:50] <duane> thankks
[10:50] <xsacha> felxijet: we know what you mean
[10:50] <xsacha> felixjet: just what do you want to do?
[10:50] <felixjet> http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre2/13969-2.jpg
[10:50] <xsacha> felixjet: do you want to change it? it's in system settings->desktop->window behaviour
[10:51] <Jucato> xsacha: I think he wants the button
[10:51] <xsacha> ohh
[10:51] <Jucato> felixjet: do you want the button on your title bar?
[10:51] <felixjet> the icons to expand/collapse window
[10:51] <felixjet> yaya
[10:51] <felixjet> im looking in window behaviour but nothing related
[10:52] <Jucato> felixjet: System Settings -> Appearance -> Window Decorations -> Buttons tab -> check "Use custom titlebar button positions" and drag and drop to your heart's content
[10:53] <felixjet> omg
[10:53] <felixjet> i was looking at the other button tab
[10:53] <Jucato> ??
[10:53] <xsacha> :)
[10:53] <felixjet> the one inside window behaviour
[10:53] <xsacha> can just drag shade up
[10:53] <felixjet> thanks !
[10:54] <felixjet> i love that powerfull button hah
[10:55] <xsacha> it definately shouldnt be on double click as default
[10:55] <xsacha> maybe they wanna save space
[10:55] <felixjet> i got maximize as default when i installed kubuntu
[10:55] <xsacha> :S
[10:57] <Kiongku> Qemu?
[10:57] <Jucato> yeah
[10:57] <Jucato> didn't want to use VMWare this time, as it installs and sets up stuff that don't get removed when uninstalled...
[10:57] <xsacha> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[10:57] <Kiongku> duh
[10:58] <Jucato> xsacha: yeah I'm actually staring at that right now
[10:58] <Jucato> maybe something with the FC 3 installer lol
[10:58] <xsacha> is there any emulator doing video acceleration you know of?
[10:58] <duane> damn im kinda pissed i cant get beryl to work :(
[10:59] <Jucato> xsacha: virtually impossible for now...
[10:59] <duane> at least my external soundcard works tho
[10:59] <xsacha> :(
[10:59] <Jucato> VMWare is working on something like that though, but beta is only available on VMWare Workstation
[11:00] <xsacha> i was hoping virtual pc 2007 would do it.. but it just turned out to be identical to virtual pc 2004 :( with some non-video acceleration
[11:00] <Jucato> virtual pc.. never heard of them...
[11:00] <wedge_> duane: what external soundcard do you have?
[11:00] <xsacha> they even left the copyright 2003 and "virtual pc 2004" on virtual pc 2007 lol
[11:00] <eeos> xsacha thanks for the link you sent me, I am studyying it!
[11:00] <duane> wedge_: audiotrak maya44usb
[11:00] <Jucato> lol
[11:01] <xsacha> i guess they dont care about VPC anymore as its free now
[11:03] <wedge_> duane: is recording working too?
[11:03] <duane> wedge_: havent tried to record
[11:03] <duane> i do i all my recording in xp
[11:03] <wedge_> ah, ok
[11:04] <eeos> xsacha i hope it works well on 6.06, I am scared about upgrading to 6.10 because I performed many modification, compilations on the system
[11:04] <xsacha> :P
[11:04] <Kiongku> !beryl
[11:04] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[11:05] <Jucato> lol I think I know where I went wrong...
[11:05] <xsacha> about recording.. for some reason my sound recorder isnt getting much input... i have mic on 100% and when i speak into it i hear this little tiny voice in background
[11:06] <xsacha> the input level shows it hit max
[11:06] <xsacha> in KRecord
[11:07] <xsacha> hmm another thing i notice... input level starts at -100 dB and goes up to 0 :S
[11:07] <Kiongku> !compiz
[11:07] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:07] <Kiongku> thats the 3d desktop?
[11:08] <Jucato> next week, prepping myself to try out... Beryl!! :)
[11:08] <Jucato> Kiongku: the one with the cube, yes
[11:08] <Jucato> but there's an app called 3D Desktop, too. nothing to do with it
[11:08] <xsacha> beryl is fork of it (compiz) with improved eye candy :)
[11:08] <Jucato> yep yep
[11:08] <Jucato> more updated too
[11:08] <Kiongku> bleh.. i like the eye cnady of e
[11:09] <xsacha> that's called eye candy? :S
[11:09] <Jucato> bleh
[11:09] <Kiongku> *candy..  not goign to mess with 3d yet
[11:09] <xsacha> :P
[11:09] <Jucato> :)
[11:09] <Jucato> xsacha: well, since I'm on edgy, and perfectly confident with my install... time to dive in! :)
[11:09] <Jucato> this is the time to be edgy and go over the edge!!
[11:09] <Kiongku> i already dived in e :P but no one followed..
[11:10] <[H5N1] > Lucky you
[11:10] <[H5N1] > I can't install edgy.
[11:10] <xsacha> Jucato: from edgy i just installed beryl+emerald and then type in "beryl" -- working straight off :)
[11:10] <luca_b> I am using a production machine on edgy, currently.
[11:10] <[H5N1] > No root filsystem bug for me
[11:10] <xsacha> the open source drivers + aiglx just worked out of box
[11:10] <Mike2k6> Guess who's back, back agai lol
[11:10] <[H5N1] > :/
[11:10] <Jucato> luca_b: whoa! brave soul :)
[11:10] <Mike2k6> hrm
[11:11] <xsacha> wouldnt run beryl on that luca_b .. i've had 2 completely random X restarts related to beryl so far this week
[11:12] <artefact2> hi all
[11:12] <Mike2k6> hi
[11:12] <artefact2> how do i install macromedia flash for Konqueror ? :D
[11:12] <Jucato> !flash | artefact2
[11:12] <ubotu> artefact2: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:12] <Mike2k6> anyone notice that the web browsing on kubuntu is a little slower than xp?
[11:12] <xsacha> nup
[11:12] <Jucato> Mike2k6: you were running on a Live CD. everything will be slower
[11:12] <artefact2> Jucato > thx :)
[11:12] <Mike2k6> i "was" lol
[11:12] <Mike2k6> i just got done installing it
[11:12] <Mike2k6> only took 15 mins :-)
[11:13] <Jucato> ah
[11:13] <Kiongku> Mike2k6: hahaha told u
[11:13] <Mike2k6> now i got nothing but kubuntu on here "-p
[11:13] <Mike2k6> it was soo ez..... ezier than xp actually.
[11:13] <Jucato> Mike2k6: well, didn't notice if it was slower or not.
[11:13] <Mike2k6> and cool cause you can still browse the web n stuff while you install it lol
[11:13] <Jucato> Mike2k6: it could be some IPv6 thingy...
[11:14] <Jucato> yeah that's cool. you could even chat while installing
[11:14] <Mike2k6> could be someone downloading porn on the network too lol
[11:14] <xsacha> lol
[11:14] <Jucato> lol
[11:14] <luca_b> Jucato: I don't use fancy xgl beryl stuff though
[11:14] <Mike2k6> nahhh, that never happens
[11:14] <Mike2k6> speaking of downloading porn, is there a p2p client like limewire i can get?
[11:14] <Jucato> but browsing/chatting while installing will really make things slow
[11:14] <Mike2k6> for mp3 purposes of course
[11:14] <Mike2k6> lol
[11:14] <Kiongku> Mike2k6: hmm that harder to say
[11:14] <xsacha> Mike2k6: frostwire would be same as limewire, but there are other apps
[11:15] <cpk1> Mike2k6: you can use frostwire but bit torrent is much better
[11:15] <Mike2k6> whats reccomended?
[11:15] <cpk1> use a bit torrent client
[11:15] <xsacha> hard to recommend one, too many :P
[11:15] <Jucato> frostwire is a bit of a trouble right now...
[11:15] <Mike2k6> bah humbug
[11:15] <xsacha> i only use what i use because im too lazy to checkout alternatives
[11:15] <Jucato> wouldn't recommend it right now :)
[11:15] <cpk1> Mike2k6: are you familiar with bit torrent?
[11:15] <Mike2k6> cpk: yeah, i had bitlord and bitcomet for a bit
[11:15] <artefact2> Jucato > it works, thx ^^
[11:16] <xsacha> KTorrent comes with kubuntu
[11:16] <cpk1> and azureus is pretty nice too
[11:16] <Mike2k6> whats a good one for linux? this should be interesting seeing as how i never have installed an app on linux before
[11:16] <duane> calc dmix
[11:16] <Jucato> artefact2: no problem
[11:16] <Mike2k6> i heard about azureus being cool
[11:16] <bioticpro> Anyone here use KMLdonkey? (I need config help)
[11:16] <cpk1> ktorrent should already be installed
[11:16] <Jucato> Mike2k6: KTorrent, a bittorrent client, is installed by default already
[11:16] <Mike2k6> lets check it out :-p
[11:16] <cpk1> Mike2k6: are you using edgy or dapper?
[11:16] <Mike2k6> edgy
[11:17] <cpk1> ok good that means if you want to use azureus it will actually work =)
[11:17] <Mike2k6> amen brother
[11:18] <cpk1> I am guessing that dapper wont be getting as many updates to multiverse and universe
[11:18] <Mike2k6> bahh humbug im going to download azureus
[11:19] <Jucato> ??
[11:19] <Mike2k6> should i download azureus from source forge or what?
[11:19] <xsacha> !azureus | Mike2k6
[11:19] <ubotu> Mike2k6: azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[11:20] <xsacha> !info azureus
[11:20] <ubotu> azureus: BitTorrent client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0.0-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 6922 kB, installed size 7780 kB
[11:20] <luca_b> Mike2k6: it is a matter of preference, personally I *wouldn't* use azureus unless you need some of its functionality
[11:20] <xsacha> it's in adept Mike2k6
[11:20] <Mike2k6> well i just want the limewire like experience where you select "audio" and search for your stuff
[11:20] <Jucato> because Azureus uses Java, which, depending on your system, might slow things a bit...
[11:20] <cpk1> at least using azureus will get him to set up the sun java =P
[11:20] <cpk1> Mike2k6: no bit torrent client is like that
[11:20] <Mike2k6> well im on a p4 2.0ghz, 1gb corsair ddr400, and 100gb ata 133 hdd
[11:21] <xsacha> he wants a network client gnutella/openft
[11:21] <Mike2k6> 128mb geforce mx4000 ddr vid card
[11:21] <Mike2k6> yeah a gnutella port or something
[11:21] <zurciu> hello everybody:)
[11:21] <xsacha> this: http://rocbo.lautre.net/spip/IMG/png/frostwire-small.png
[11:21] <Mike2k6> well im not looking for jail time either if you know what i mean
[11:22] <zurciu> have just installed linux :D
[11:22] <xsacha> this is frostwire Mike2k6: http://www.cybersource.us/images/screenshots/frostwire.jpg
[11:22] <Mike2k6> yeah thats exactly what im lookin for
[11:22] <Mike2k6> however the roomer is they are in trouble yeah?
[11:22] <xsacha> they are? :S
[11:22] <Mike2k6> isnt that what cpk said?
[11:23] <Mike2k6> nahh not cpk
[11:23] <Mike2k6> [04:15]  <Jucato> frostwire is a bit of a trouble right now...
[11:24] <Jucato> afaik, there's a problem with the Frostwire script in Edgy
[11:24] <Mike2k6> wouldnt hurt to try it out
[11:24] <xsacha> !frostwire | Mike2k6
[11:24] <ubotu> Mike2k6: frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[11:24] <cpk1> IMO bit torrent is far supperior to any gnutella type protocol
[11:25] <cpk1> remove a p from there
[11:25] <Mike2k6> depends, bit torrent requires the use of a web browser of some sort.
[11:25] <Mike2k6> having to wait for load times of web pages can suck
[11:25] <cpk1> huh?
[11:25] <xsacha> for searching for torrents he means
[11:25] <cpk1> you still have to wait for a search no matter what
[11:25] <Mike2k6> dont you have to use like a website such as torrentspy?
[11:25] <Jucato> Mike2k6: KTorrent has an embedded browser :)
[11:26] <xsacha> but still have to search :P
[11:26] <cpk1> yes... but either way you are still using a search
[11:26] <cpk1> which you need to wait for
[11:26] <Mike2k6> i guess its just self pref
[11:26] <xsacha> suckers who dont have KTelepathy yet
[11:26] <Mike2k6> its just every time i tried to get a file on torrents in the past it would just download at like 20kb/s and no faster, no matter what file i was trying to get even with 100000seeders or w/e it claimed
[11:27] <cpk1> well it could have been user error =)
[11:27] <Mike2k6> most likely
[11:27] <xsacha> i find it hard to find seeds
[11:27] <Mike2k6> amen xsacha
[11:27] <xsacha> i downloaded this movie @ 800KB/s...
[11:28] <xsacha> at 97%, i lost all seeds
[11:28] <xsacha> almost 2 days later, it's still at 97%
[11:28] <Mike2k6> cause you werent sharing!
[11:28] <xsacha> naah i was sharing
[11:28] <Mike2k6> The file http://www.peercommons.com/frostwire/4.10.9/FrostWire-4.10.9-2.i586.deb is a binary, saving it will result in a corrupt file.
[11:28] <xsacha> there's 30 leechers and 0 seeders right now,..
[11:28] <cpk1> Mike2k6: use apt-get
[11:28] <cpk1> or adept
[11:29] <Mike2k6> as easy as its put...... i dont get what your saying
[11:29] <Mike2k6> lol
[11:29] <Mike2k6> its like telling me to get into my farrari..... but i never seen it before
[11:29] <cpk1> Mike2k6: open a terminal (konsole)
[11:29] <cpk1> !info frostwire
[11:29] <ubotu> Package frostwire does not exist in any distro I know
[11:29] <cpk1> oh hrmm
[11:29] <xsacha> Mike2k6: check your driveway, your apt-get(ferrarri) is waiting
[11:30] <cpk1> well apparently frostwire isnt in the repos
[11:30] <xsacha> it isnt :(
[11:30] <Mike2k6> lol @ xsacha, they got a tar and a zip i can downloaded besides the .deb
[11:30] <xsacha> just need the .deb
[11:30] <Mike2k6> ok i got a console open, do i type apt-get link
[11:31] <cpk1> Mike2k6: download the .deb
[11:31] <Jucato> no debs. just scripts that might not run because of the switch from BASH to DASH
[11:31] <cpk1> Mike2k6: it wont be AS easy because you actually need to download the deb
[11:31] <Mike2k6> ok so frostwire is a no go, in other words
[11:32] <cpk1> Jucato: .debs might fail because of DASH?
[11:32] <xsacha> im sure there's people running kubuntu right now who have never used anything buy adept :)
[11:32] <xsacha> but
[11:32] <Jucato> cpk1: I said "script"
[11:32] <Mike2k6> meow meow meow meow.....
[11:33] <Mike2k6> lol
[11:33] <cpk1> Mike2k6: no frostwire is fine, download the .deb from frostwire.com
[11:34] <Mike2k6> so rightclick and click save as?
[11:34] <Mike2k6> and save it as something.deb?
[11:34] <Mike2k6> cause just clicking the link strait opens up kate, and tells me its a binary file and saving it will result in a corrupt file.
[11:34] <xsacha> should just need left click, then save as
[11:34] <xsacha> oh.. kate.. evil
[11:35] <Mike2k6>  nod
[11:35] <cpk1> Mike2k6: i noticed, so yeah right click and save as =)
[11:35] <xsacha> ok, right click, save as
[11:35] <Mike2k6> so name it something.deb?
[11:35] <Mike2k6> right, cause the default input is download.php
[11:35] <xsacha> oh.. :S
[11:35] <Mike2k6> and i dont think thats what im aiming for
[11:35] <xsacha> huh?
[11:35] <Jucato> just rename it as .deb and it will be fine I think
[11:35] <Mike2k6> we shall see!
[11:35] <Jucato> can you give me the link so I can confirm?
[11:36] <cpk1> doesnt really matter as long as you rename to .deb
[11:36] <Sharketor> hello all
[11:36] <sparr> so...  dash vs bash vs sh.  opinions?
[11:36] <Jucato> afaik, that's true :)
[11:36] <Jucato> sparr: sh is bash
[11:36] <cpk1> Jucato: kget is dumb and likes to name everything download.php
[11:36] <Jucato> or rather, a symlink (I thnk)
[11:36] <xsacha> dash to your nearest dash and bash it up
[11:36] <Jucato> cpk1: not always... I think it has something to do with webpages too
[11:36] <Sharketor> why konsole and konversation start automatically on boot?????
[11:37] <xsacha> cause they are in startup
[11:37] <cpk1> downtown area shuttle? why would i want to beat that up?
[11:37] <Kiongku> no lol
[11:37] <Kiongku> bcoz of session
[11:37] <Kiongku> probably was left open when last logged in
[11:37] <Jucato> Sharketor: you left them open when you logged out
[11:37] <cpk1> you logged out when they were open?
[11:37] <Kiongku> Jucato: was saying that
[11:37] <cpk1> Mike2k6: you get the .deb downloaded?
[11:38] <Jucato> yeah
[11:38] <Mike2k6> ok this is confusing me, the link is to a php page right, however it has one of those damn php commands in the url ?=http:/blah/file.deb
[11:38] <Sharketor> I don'e know, maybe it is so
[11:38] <Mike2k6> so i cant access the link to the deb
[11:38] <Sharketor> :)
[11:38] <skylermoon> Hi! :)
[11:38] <sparr> Jucato: that depends on what version of ubuntu you run.  or which packages you install.  both bash and dash can provide /bin/sh
[11:38] <Mike2k6> i input the link http://www.peercommons.com/frostwire/4.10.9/FrostWire-4.10.9-2.i586.deb into the konqueror browser and it opens it up into the browser.
[11:38] <Mike2k6> which is ghey....
[11:38] <skylermoon> So this is the first time I have actually installed kubuntu
[11:38] <Sharketor> xsacha: how can I see what is in startup???
[11:39] <xsacha> it's not in startup :P
[11:39] <Jucato> Mike2k6: why would you put it in the browser?
[11:39] <xsacha> but startup is in systemsetting->advanced
[11:39] <Mike2k6> where else am i gonna put it?
[11:39] <cpk1> Mike2k6: http://www.frostwire.com/download.php?file=http://mirror1.peercommons.net/frostwire/4.10.9/FrostWire-4.10.9-2.i586.deb just do save as
[11:39] <Mike2k6> yeah but that would be saving the php file wouldnt it?
[11:39] <Mike2k6> since it directs you to the php page, and then to the file.
[11:39] <cpk1> Mike2k6: noooooooooooooooooo, save it as frostwire.deb
[11:40] <Mike2k6> ok! lol
[11:40] <Jucato> rename the download.php as frostwire.deb
[11:40] <Sharketor> ok
[11:40] <cpk1> or name it skgfddfljld.deb or fgjdsgur.deb whatever you want as long as it ends in .deb
[11:40] <Mike2k6> we are making progress hehe
[11:41] <Itay> Can I install Ubuntu via chroot?
[11:41] <Mike2k6> ok
[11:41] <Mike2k6> well i got it downloaded
[11:41] <cpk1> Mike2k6: where did you download it? your home directory?
[11:41] <Mike2k6> yep
[11:41] <eeos> Jucato xsacha wow! it works wonderfully! THANKS A LOT!
[11:41] <Mike2k6> in meiner hause directory
[11:42] <Mike2k6> eeos: don't it tho?
[11:42] <is_null> hello everybody, the machine just got a fresh install of current kubuntu distro, it won't boot : atiixp: codec reset timout, any help please ?
[11:42] <cpk1> Mike2k6: so open a terminal (konsole) and type sudo dkpg install frostwire.deb
[11:42] <eeos> Jucato xsacha I could install 3 versions on microsft ie
[11:42] <Jucato> cpk1: he can just right-click :)
[11:42] <Mike2k6> where do i access a terminal app?
[11:42] <Jucato> eeos: hehe nice! :)
[11:42] <Mike2k6> juc: oh sir?
[11:43] <is_null> i'll try a chroot if this can't be fixed through grub
[11:43] <eeos>  Jucato xsacha very smoothly. I am very grateful to you two. :)
[11:43] <cpk1> Jucato: oh oops, me and my CLI =X
[11:43] <Mike2k6> cpk right click and do what?
[11:43] <Mike2k6> so many options.
[11:43] <eeos>  Jucato xsacha I am only missing ms ie 7 now (only for tests of course)
[11:43] <xsacha> there's a right click->install?
[11:43] <Jucato> cpk1: it's ok :)
[11:43] <Mike2k6> xsacha have mercy on the newb.
[11:43] <Jucato> Mike2k6: right-click -> Kubuntu Package Menu -> install Package
[11:43] <Jucato> xsacha: since Dapper :)
[11:44] <xsacha> ill have to check that out sometime
[11:44] <Jucato> cpk1: it's the prerogative of the one helping :)
[11:44] <Mike2k6> ok i installed it i guess
[11:44] <Mike2k6> where is it?
[11:44] <Jucato> xsacha: nothing spectacular. it's just xterm launched withthe dpkg command :)
[11:44] <xsacha> lol
[11:45] <Jucato> s/withthe/with the
[11:45] <Jucato> Mike2k6: check in your K Menu
[11:45] <cpk1> Mike2k6: in your bin probably, and in the kmenu
[11:45] <Jucato> possibly in the Internet sub-menu
[11:45] <Mike2k6> ok
[11:45] <Mike2k6> corner*
[11:46] <cpk1> does edgy update the kmenu right away now?
[11:46] <Mike2k6> yeah
[11:46] <xsacha> ill try installing frostwire too :) yeah cpk1.. for me anyway
[11:46] <Mike2k6> it was in the internet sub
[11:46] <Mike2k6> however it said loading, and then it dissappeared on me
[11:46] <Jucato> cpk1: it does now :)
[11:47] <xsacha> wget to get the file so i didnt need to mess around with that kate or download.php :)
[11:47] <cpk1> and is dapper going to get updates besides security ones?
[11:47] <xsacha> using konqueror to install is so hard, gotta find the file in this mess lol
[11:48] <Mike2k6> ok frostwire isnt working, i click on it, it shows up in the task bar, i hover my mouse over it, shows "loading application" about 10 seconds passes and then it dissappears.
[11:48] <xsacha> ah damn :(
[11:48] <xsacha> i have same thing
[11:48] <Mike2k6> i need mp3s!!!!
[11:48] <cpk1> run it from terminal
[11:48] <Mike2k6> kk
[11:48] <cpk1> see what it says
[11:49] <xsacha> runFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")
[11:49] <Mike2k6> terminal? you mean a console window?
[11:49] <cpk1> yeah
[11:49] <Mike2k6> how do i access that?
[11:49] <Jucato> same banana :)
[11:49] <is_null> hello eveybody, this is what i get when trying to boot from a fresh install : http://pastebin.ca/230622 any help please ?
[11:50] <Jucato> told yah about the scripts :)
[11:50] <cpk1> and there is a fix for that error =)
[11:50] <xsacha> grr
[11:50] <cpk1> kdesu kate /usr/bin/frostwire
[11:50] <Mike2k6> nvm found it
[11:50] <cpk1> change sh runFrost.sh to bash runFrost.sh
[11:50] <Mike2k6> how do i run frostwire from terminal?
[11:50] <cpk1> Jucato: I sure dont want frostwire =)
[11:51] <cpk1> Mike2k6: xsacha already gave us the error =)
[11:51] <Jucato> cpk1: er.. don't you have to change #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash ?
[11:51] <is_null> Mike2k6: maybe you need to chmod x+r runFrost.sh
[11:51] <Mike2k6> is_null reminds me of a webserver the way you talk.
[11:51] <xsacha> after fixing the script, i get another error :P You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[11:51] <sparr> cpk1: what Jucato said
[11:51] <sparr> cpk1: that way you dont have to call it with bash
[11:52] <Jucato> to be honest, I think even gnomefreak was having problems trying to make that script run
[11:52] <Jucato> xsacha: Sun Java :P
[11:52] <xsacha> script runs fine now Jucato :) just had it go in bash like cpk1 said
[11:52] <cpk1> well um ok i dont actually have frostwire installed so =P going blind
[11:52] <Mike2k6> xasacha teach me the jedi way!
[11:52] <Mike2k6> sorry for the typo
[11:52] <xsacha> [20:50]  <cpk1> kdesu kate /usr/bin/frostwire
[11:53] <cpk1> Mike2k6: open konsole and do kdesu kate /usr/bin/frostwire
[11:53] <cpk1> why change to dash?
[11:53] <cpk1> and what does da stand for?
[11:53] <is_null> Mike2k6: what do you mean ?
[11:54] <cpk1> Mike2k6: once kate is open change sh runFrost.sh to bash runFrost.sh
[11:54] <Jucato> cpk1: Debian Almquist Shell
[11:54] <Mike2k6> kate opens up
[11:54] <xsacha> had to be ahead of bash and they couldnt use cash ;)
[11:54] <Jucato> cpk1: DASH is a Linux port of ash, which is a BSD shell
[11:54] <Jucato> xsacha: well, there's csh already :)
[11:55] <xsacha> yeah c shell, no a in it though
[11:55] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: is Kubuntu rocking your boat?
[11:55] <Jucato> well the "a" stands for Almquist
[11:55] <Jucato> while in BASH it's Bourne Again Shell ...
[11:55] <Mike2k6> living: at the moment im fighting with frostwire, but its running faster than the live CD lol
[11:56] <Mike2k6> ok im still having problems with frostwire
[11:56] <cpk1> Mike2k6: did you change what I said?
[11:56] <Mike2k6> yeah, it opened up a kate window
[11:56] <Mike2k6> i saw where it said sh frostwire.sh or w/e
[11:56] <Mike2k6> changed the sh to bash
[11:56] <Mike2k6> file>save
[11:56] <xsacha> good, now you can exit out
[11:56] <xsacha> now you need java
[11:57] <Mike2k6> ok, lets get java!
[11:57] <cpk1> hah frostwire uses java?
[11:57] <Mike2k6> with two vanilla creamers pls
[11:57] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: have you used Adept yet?
[11:57] <Mike2k6> living: negetive, sir!
[11:57] <Mike2k6> lol
[11:57] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: lol, that 's your ferrari
[11:57] <cpk1> frostwire isnt in the repos
[11:57] <xsacha> yes cpk1 lol
[11:57] <cpk1> but java is
[11:58] <Mike2k6> repo? i own my car thank you.
[11:58] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: open adept Applications>System
[11:58] <cpk1> you need to install sun-java5-jre
[11:58] <livingdaylight> !repos
[11:58] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:58] <davidenik> hi guys
[11:58] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: repo=repositories, where all the goodies are
[11:58] <Jucato> lol not reposession :)
[11:58] <Mike2k6> opening adept manager
[11:58] <Mike2k6> ahh lol
[11:58] <davidenik> do you know some programs like "Frontpage" for Website builiding???
[11:59] <cpk1> Mike2k6: you can use adept (puny little civic) or you can use apt-get (the real deal ferrari) =D
[11:59] <Mike2k6> ok adept did the same thing frostwire did,.
[11:59] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: install synaptic
[11:59] <xsacha> lol
[11:59] <xsacha> that's a bit drastic
[11:59] <cpk1> just use apt-get
[11:59] <livingdaylight> cpk1: lol, but adept /synaptic lets you search for stuff easier
[11:59] <Mike2k6> adept wont open
[11:59] <Jucato> davidenik: Quanta Plus or Nvu
[11:59] <Mike2k6> adepts being gay, lets go with apt!
[11:59] <cpk1> livingdaylight: apt-cache search is hard?
[11:59] <Mike2k6> the real deal!
[12:00] <xsacha> adept types the apt-get for you:)
[12:00] <Mike2k6> cpk how do i step into the driver seat of apt?
[12:00] <cpk1> Mike2k6: open up a konsole
[12:00] <davidenik> Jucato: but it's simple like Frontpage?
[12:00] <Mike2k6> ok
[12:00] <davidenik> because i don't know too much about html
[12:00] <Jucato> davidenik: yeah I think so
[12:00] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-plugin
[12:00] <Mike2k6> davidenik: html comes with practice
[12:01] <livingdaylight> cpk1: true, apt-cache is easy when you know. The seach tab in synaptic is easier for those who don't :p
[12:01] <xsacha> i dont think he wants the plugin... sun-java5-jre
[12:01] <Mike2k6> E; couldnt find
[12:01] <cpk1> Mike2k6: first you need to get a better engine, so kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list (after apt-get install sun-java5-plugin doesnt work)
[12:01] <livingdaylight> xsacha: the plugin will install the others
[12:01] <xsacha> oh ok
[12:01] <MistaED> mike2k6: from my experience, adept is more headaches than anything, i recommend synaptic even though it's a gnome/gtk app, some probably don't agree with me though
[12:01] <Jaeke555> Umm, Can anyone help me with some WLAN issues with my kubuntu...?
[12:02] <Mike2k6> ok alot of people are talking to me at once, i need some calirty.
[12:02] <Mike2k6> clarity*
[12:02] <MistaED> haha, sorry
[12:02] <cpk1> Mike2k6: do what I said ^^
[12:02] <Mike2k6> i got 2x adept rules and 3x adept sucks
[12:02] <Mike2k6> lol
[12:02] <livingdaylight> MistaED: that is why the first thing i recommended Mike2k6 is to install synaptic
[12:02] <xsacha> lol
[12:02] <MistaED> :)
[12:02] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: did you do what i said ?
[12:02] <xsacha> of course not
[12:02] <cpk1> Mike2k6: tell me when kate opens up sources.list
[12:03] <Mike2k6> [05:02]  <cpk1> Mike2k6: do what I said ^^
[12:03] <Mike2k6> [05:02]  <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: did you do what i said ?
[12:03] <xsacha> lol
[12:03] <Mike2k6> jesus
[12:03] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: sudo apt-get installsun-java5-plugin
[12:03] <xsacha> livingdaylight: it's not in default repositories
[12:03] <Mike2k6> i did what cpk1 said >.<;
[12:03] <livingdaylight> hehe
[12:03] <Mike2k6> kate opened up again
[12:03] <cpk1> livingdaylight: this is a virgin install (no universe or multiverse)
[12:03] <livingdaylight> what did cpk1say?
[12:03] <Mike2k6> i still love you though living
[12:03] <livingdaylight> ahhh....
[12:03] <Mike2k6> he said to do some kedsu with kate stuff
[12:04] <cpk1> Mike2k6: delete the # from the lines with multiverse and universe in them
[12:04] <Mike2k6> darn you, its alot of work but this is a learning experience
[12:04] <livingdaylight> cpk1: really, why the repos dont just come installed at least universe and multiverse. Its the first thing everyone has to sort out after a Fresh install
[12:04] <Kiongku> mwahahahahha
[12:05] <xsacha> there's a gui way for all of this.. but a lot of are so used to these console method
[12:05] <cpk1> livingdaylight: because they have things like mp3 libs, and his adept didnt work so we are using kate =)
[12:05] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: once youget your repos sorted out you wont need to touch it again. You'll have over 20,000 packages at your finger tips
[12:05] <Kiongku> its quite easy after a while.. sounds hard only at first
[12:05] <xsacha> adept doesnt work occasionly, if you run it again it'll work :)
[12:05] <Mike2k6> :cpk : ok there was two lines, i read the instructions like a real man would.
[12:06] <xsacha> it's like every second time it doesnt run or something, i just checked ps and i had 3 adept_manager's running lol
[12:06] <Mike2k6> yeah i read a little bit on that ps -aux |more
[12:06] <Mike2k6> and kill 6666!
[12:06] <Mike2k6> kill them all muhahaha
[12:06] <Mike2k6> anyways...
[12:06] <cpk1> Mike2k6: you deleted the # from the lines that had universe and multiverse right?
[12:07] <Mike2k6> and multiverse?!?
[12:07] <Mike2k6> not multiverse but i suppose i can retype my stuff
[12:07] <sorush20> hello
[12:07] <sorush20> hi
[12:07] <sorush20> what is the hell I sgoing
[12:07] <sorush20> salam..
[12:07] <cpk1> might as well do multiverse, they are usually on the same line
[12:07] <cpk1> actually you need multiverse for java
[12:07] <duane> calc dmix
[12:07] <cpk1> so yes you need to uncomment multiverse
[12:07] <livingdaylight> sorush20: hi
[12:07] <xsacha> multiverse is down the bottom Mike2k6
[12:08] <xsacha> above security
[12:08] <livingdaylight> sorush20: what is going on is this is a #kubuntu channel
[12:08] <livingdaylight> sorush20: but it is not a mosque... :)
[12:08] <sorush20> my cdroms is not auto mounting what do I do and what do I need to install ?
[12:08] <livingdaylight> sorush20: pray to Allah..
[12:08] <Mike2k6> ok yes
[12:09] <Mike2k6> cpk1 we are on the same page, it was about 4 lines in total or so
[12:09] <Mike2k6> you can tell the diff by the single # or double ##
[12:09] <MidMark> hi
[12:09] <Mike2k6> living: dear allah, if your out there, somewhere.
[12:09] <cpk1> Mike2k6: huh? you were deleting #'s not adding them
[12:09] <MidMark> if I want to install a package and all its dependecies
[12:09] <MidMark> what I have to add to apt-get?
[12:10] <Mike2k6> cpk1 i know, im just telling you how i identified the lines that needed the #'s deleted
[12:10] <Mike2k6> lines with # deb abunchashithere
[12:10] <livingdaylight> MidMark: you don't add anyting to apt-get. Apt-get installs and sorts out dependency issues
[12:10] <cpk1> # and ## will both be commented out
[12:11] <MidMark> livingdaylight: a friend of mine upgraded from dapper
[12:11] <cpk1> Mike2k6: after you uncomment the lines save and close kate
[12:11] <Mike2k6> i know, ive taken programming classes before.
[12:11] <MidMark> and kubuntu-desktop wasn't updated
[12:11] <Mike2k6> done
[12:11] <Mike2k6> its just like <!-- in html
[12:11] <cpk1> Mike2k6: sudo apt-get update
[12:11] <MidMark> so I've said to do: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:11] <cpk1> Mike2k6: once that is done then sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[12:12] <xsacha> i'd just like to add that mike's adept_manager that failed to launch is most likely still running..
[12:12] <MidMark> but apt-get said that hwdb-client-kde and language-selector-qt aren't installed
[12:12] <cpk1> hehe i just realized that =)
[12:12] <cpk1> so we will see
[12:12] <sorush20> what do I do to auto mount?
[12:12] <xsacha> sorush20: in your /etc/fstab file you must add the cdrom
[12:12] <xsacha> or if it's on noauto, change it to auto
[12:13] <Mike2k6> e: package sun-java5-jre has no installation candidate
[12:13] <sorush20> shouldn't that be added already xsacha
[12:13] <xsacha> not necessarily
[12:13] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: at some point check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:13] <cpk1> well no lock error
[12:13] <Mike2k6> mike@Mikes-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[12:13] <Mike2k6> Reading package lists... Done
[12:13] <Mike2k6> Building dependency tree
[12:13] <Mike2k6> Reading state information... Done
[12:13] <cpk1> Mike2k6: cat /etc/apt/sources.list and pastebin the output
[12:13] <livingdaylight> !paste
[12:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:16] <Mike2k6> cpk: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29516/
[12:17] <xsacha> hmm do the spaces affect it?
[12:17] <Mike2k6> mufasa!
[12:17] <cpk1> oh they dont give you a multiverse repo
[12:17] <xsacha> yes multiverse is there cpk1
[12:17] <Jucato> of course not. it's not added by default
[12:17] <Mike2k6> i knew i should of went with drapper :-\
[12:17] <xsacha> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[12:17] <Jucato> hehe
[12:17] <xsacha> that's his line
[12:17] <Jucato> oh there it is
[12:18] <cpk1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu universe multiverse
[12:18] <cpk1> err isnt that for backports?
[12:18] <Mike2k6> >.<;
[12:18] <Jucato> that's the wrong multiverse xsacha
[12:18] <xsacha> :P
[12:18] <sorush20> there is nothing wrong with my media disk .... but when I do sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hda /media/cdrom1 I keep getting the message that no media found..
[12:18] <sorush20> anyhelp
[12:18] <cpk1> Mike2k6: add deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu universe multiverse to your sources.list
[12:19] <cpk1> Mike2k6: you would have to do this on dapper as well
[12:19] <Mike2k6> cpk1 how do i do that?
[12:19] <Mike2k6> kdesu kate
[12:19] <Mike2k6> something
[12:19] <xsacha> open up the file in kate again and paste that line in
[12:19] <xsacha> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:20] <Mike2k6> any pref place to add it?
[12:20] <cpk1> wherever you want
[12:20] <Mike2k6> you got my pastebin, just tell me after line 12 or something
[12:20] <Mike2k6> well ill put it with the others for quick ref
[12:20] <cpk1> ok how about line 4930247382?
[12:20] <koriel> I installed kubuntu 6.10 from scratch but I kept my home directory from previous 6.06 with all configurations and profiles but now for example if I open gimp, the colors are really funny, and to all other programs..any idea?
[12:20] <cpk1> that sounds like a nice spot =)
[12:21] <Mike2k6> cpk1: yeah, sure
[12:21] <cpk1> i mean >=)
[12:21] <Mike2k6> ok added and saved.
[12:21] <Mike2k6> now what
[12:21] <cpk1> sudo apt-get update
[12:21] <cpk1> no error? (please)
[12:22] <Mike2k6> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[12:22] <livingdaylight> cpk1: check http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy it tell one how to wget the pgp key as well
[12:22] <cpk1> i like
[12:22] <cpk1> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv KEY
[12:22] <cpk1> # gpg --export --armor KEY | sudo apt-key add -
[12:22] <cpk1> better =P
[12:22] <Mike2k6> so anyways, now what?
[12:22] <xsacha> above that error Mike, do you have a 404 error/
[12:23] <Mike2k6> apt-get install sun-java5-jre?
[12:23] <cpk1> Mike2k6: no, you need the pgp key i think
[12:23] <Mike2k6> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com universe/multiverse Packages
[12:23] <Mike2k6>   404 Not Found [IP: 195.248.90.23 80] 
[12:23] <xsacha> yes
[12:23] <sorush20> should I install any automaount tools?
[12:24] <livingdaylight> its so easy
[12:24] <cpk1> Mike2k6:  gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 437D05B5
[12:24] <Mike2k6> yeah, for you!
[12:24] <xsacha> automount tools? lol, just edit your fstab sorush20
[12:24] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: like i told you. www.ubuntuguide.org follow how to add extra repositories and do the wget part of it too to get the key
[12:24] <Mike2k6> gpg: conflicting commands] 
[12:25] <sorush20> I can edit the fstab in system settings right?
[12:25] <sorush20> xsacha:
[12:25] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[12:25] <sorush20> the disk and file systems
[12:25] <xsacha> the GUI? yes
[12:25] <cpk1> did they change it for edgy?
[12:25] <xsacha> yeah
[12:25] <Mike2k6> nvm wasnt uasing double spaces
[12:25] <Mike2k6> double hyphens or w/e
[12:26] <sorush20> xsacha: it is already there my device and mount point..
[12:26] <Mike2k6> gpgkeys: key 437D0585 not found on keyser
[12:26] <sorush20> but it is set to desiabled.. and not enabled..
[12:26] <Mike2k6> oh B5
[12:26] <Mike2k6> lord help me
[12:26] <xsacha> sorush20: is it auto or noauto?
[12:26] <xsacha> well enable it lol
[12:26] <cpk1> Mike2k6: and then gpg --export --armor 437D05B5 | sudo apt-key add -
[12:27] <Mike2k6> its requesting key
[12:27] <sorush20> xsacha: its auto..
[12:27] <xsacha> enable it
[12:28] <livingdaylight> using Audacity to convert some mp3's to OGG. Can i not do like a whole album at once? or is it file by file?
[12:28] <Mike2k6> ok cpk1
[12:28] <Mike2k6> it said "OK"
[12:28] <Mike2k6> lol
[12:28] <cpk1> Mike2k6: you do the second command?
[12:28] <Mike2k6> chya
[12:29] <Mike2k6> well unless you mean do sudo apt-key add - seperately
[12:29] <cpk1> Mike2k6: alright now do sudo apt-get update
[12:29] <Mike2k6> but i thought the | told the console to do that
[12:29] <cpk1> Mike2k6: yeah
[12:29] <xsacha> no errors when you did it?
[12:29] <Mike2k6> negetory
[12:29] <Kiongku> what was a good image editor in linux?
[12:29] <Mike2k6> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com universe/multiverse Packages
[12:29] <Mike2k6>   404 Not Found [IP: 195.248.90.23 80] 
[12:30] <Mike2k6> jesus
[12:30] <|lostbyte|> Kiongku, gimp OR krita.
[12:30] <Kiongku> Mike2k6: no worry once everything is sorted out it will be like a charm
[12:31] <Mike2k6> Kiongku: reminds me of looking at a page in html for the first time
[12:31] <sorush20> I keep getting mount error no media found.. but I know if the same driver since I checked it with eject /dev/hda
[12:31] <cpk1> Mike2k6: ignore it and try sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[12:31] <davidenik> another question to this great community
[12:32] <davidenik> what's a good "ftp" program to send web pages?
[12:32] <davidenik> like "wsftp"
[12:32] <sorush20> imbrandon: do you remember me having a problem with amarok and you help me compile it from scratch.. and that didn't work...
[12:32] <livingdaylight> Kiongku: gimp?
[12:32] <Mike2k6> cpk1: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29518/
[12:32] <livingdaylight> Kiongku: F-spot? not sure what you mean
[12:33] <sorush20> imbrandon: I have upgraded to edgy  now and I'm getting the same problem , xine can not initialise audio driver..
[12:33] <cpk1> livingdaylight: well I havent seen it so i dunno how simple it is =\
[12:34] <cpk1> and this should be easy anyways
[12:34] <Mike2k6> cpk did ya get my pastebin?
[12:34] <livingdaylight> cpk1: lol, it doesn't look like its been easy. If you've not seen http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy you should take a look. Its what i did, and everything works. Except Canonical won't give me Opera, but it did give me REalplayer10
[12:35] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: did you get my message?
[12:35] <Mike2k6> living cant say i did
[12:36] <cpk1> opos sorry livingdaylight
[12:36] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: if you press 'tab' after living it will auto complete my name
[12:36] <sorush20> how do I convert and .cue iso file into and iso?
[12:36] <cpk1> haha misclick
[12:36] <sorush20> !.cue
[12:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cue - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:36] <Mike2k6> livingdaylight: ohhh....
[12:36] <Kiongku> lalalala
[12:36] <Mike2k6> livingdaylight: pimp!
[12:36] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: thx :D
[12:36] <Kiongku> !cue
[12:36] <sorush20> !cue
[12:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cue - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cue - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:37] <Kiongku> :(?
[12:37] <Kiongku> go google then
[12:37] <Mike2k6> livingdaylight: what was your msg?
[12:37] <Mike2k6> !porn
[12:37] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: you really should check out http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy i put it up about 5 times
[12:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about porn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:37] <Mike2k6> lol
[12:37] <Mike2k6> ubotu: you lie
[12:37] <cpk1> Mike2k6: follow these directions exactly http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[12:37] <sorush20> I'm using k3b to reburn it as an iso on to the dd
[12:38] <sorush20> hdd
[12:38] <xsacha> he could just replace his sources.list with:   http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Repositories
[12:38] <livingdaylight> thx cpk1:) i was only trying to help
[12:38] <Mike2k6> ya xsacha
[12:38] <cpk1> Mike2k6: dont use gedit though use kdesu kate
[12:38] <Bubba_Gump> she's a sexy notepad
[12:38] <cpk1> and that wiki is wrong for gnome too... it should be gksudo gedit
[12:39] <xsacha> wine notepad ftw
[12:39] <Bubba_Gump> :P
[12:40] <grothesk> Has anybody installed amarok 1.4.4?
[12:40] <cpk1> nope using 1.4.3
[12:40] <Bubba_Gump> grothesk: is edgy version availalbe?
[12:40] <Bubba_Gump> *available
[12:40] <grothesk> Bubba_Gump: Yes, it is.
[12:40] <Bubba_Gump> reet :)
[12:40] <MidMark> grothesk: yes I have
[12:40] <Bubba_Gump> back in a sec :D
[12:40] <grothesk> But I'm missing a feature.
[12:41] <Mike2k6> holy crud this is breaking my balls
[12:41] <_slacker_> hi all, anyone familiarized with bluez/bluetooth in kubuntu?
[12:41] <grothesk> MidMark: Can you burn a whole album with k3b?
[12:41] <cpk1> Mike2k6: hang on i will pastebin exact directions lol
[12:41] <MidMark> using amarok?
[12:41] <grothesk> MidMark: Yes.
[12:41] <MidMark> grothesk: audio or data?
[12:41] <grothesk> You were able to send a whole album to k3b.
[12:42] <grothesk> MidMark: Both. You were asked which format.
[12:42] <xsacha> i'd just like to mention: after java is installed, frostwire works perfectly :D
[12:42] <MidMark> grothesk: it works for me
[12:42] <grothesk> Not here.
[12:43] <xsacha> i'd also like to mention that you dont actually need multiverse to install java as you dont need the plugin
[12:43] <grothesk> I'm missing the menu entry for that.
[12:43] <MidMark> grothesk: try deleting your profile
[12:43] <xsacha> just sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre and you'll be in frostwire in no time
[12:43] <Bubba_Gump> what are repos' for the new amarok through the adept thingo-ma-jiggo ?
[12:43] <MidMark> see kubuntu.org
[12:44] <xsacha> Mike2k6 ?
[12:45] <Mike2k6> xasacha sorry was reading link cpk1 sent me awhile back
[12:45] <cpk1> Mike2k6: here are *crystal* clear instructions (i hope) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29520/
[12:45] <Mike2k6> told me to follow directions, im doing that
[12:45] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: After a FRESH install adding extra repositories is the FIRST thing i reccommend doing. It gives the Ferrari its engine and wheels. Once that is done, which is only a matter of copying and pasting from http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[12:45] <Mike2k6> cpk1, hold on i may have got it
[12:45] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: you're done.
[12:45] <xsacha> Mike2k6:  you dont even need multiverse, all you needed to do from the start is install sun-java5-jre (that comes in default packages)
[12:45] <_slacker_> or anyone know why libbluetooth depends on kubuntu-desktop??? what's this???? i wanna try to recompile my own bluez-libs but it seems to be impossible
[12:46] <xsacha> and frostwire runs fine from them -- this is what i did
[12:46] <cpk1> !info sun-java5-jre
[12:46] <Mike2k6> hold on
[12:46] <Mike2k6> im making progress
[12:46] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 7279 kB, installed size 16132 kB
[12:46] <Bubba_Gump> new amarok updating? any sure-fire way to a really good muzac
[12:46] <xsacha> well i have it without multiverse
[12:46] <cpk1> looks to me like its in multiverse
[12:46] <Mike2k6> cpk1, i havent read your pastebin yet, because the previous link you sent me was clear enuf once i pieced it together, hold on its still doin stuff
[12:46] <Mike2k6> its downloading sun
[12:47] <curly> Is it worth upgrading from 6.06 to 6.10 ?
[12:47] <Mike2k6> ok some kind of screen came up talking bout sun config
[12:48] <Mike2k6> has <ok> on there
[12:48] <xsacha> ok press TAB
[12:48] <xsacha> and then enter
[12:48] <cpk1> Mike2k6: yeah its a license agreement
[12:48] <Bubba_Gump> curly: depends on what you want
[12:48] <Mike2k6> xsacha: thanks, thats what i was lookin for
[12:48] <Mike2k6> ef yes!
[12:48] <Mike2k6> hallelujah!
[12:48] <xsacha> :)
[12:48] <Bubba_Gump> i'd say definately update - edgy is a great os
[12:49] <xsacha> btw i am 100% positive, didnt need multiverse -- worked from a fresh sources.list
[12:49] <curly> Thanks :)
[12:49] <xsacha> i dont know about plugin though
[12:49] <Bubba_Gump> i'd update through live cd though
[12:49] <cpk1> xsacha: he tried it without sources though
[12:49] <xsacha> no he tried plugin..
[12:49] <Bubba_Gump> repos' update knackered me up good and proper like
[12:49] <xsacha> plugin isnt there for me either
[12:49] <Mike2k6> thanks to all my new friends cpk1, xsacha, living, juc and everyone else.
[12:50] <Kiongku> lol looks like Mik is leaving
[12:50] <cpk1> apt-cache policy tells me its in multiverse
[12:50] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: remember after living press 'tab' ;)
[12:51] <Mike2k6> yes livingdaylight :-p
[12:51] <cpk1> i do it after "liv" =)
[12:51] <livingdaylight> Mike2k6: so, all that for frostwire?
[12:51] <xsacha> it says: 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/multiverse Packages for me too, but this is with default sources.list -- so that multiverse must be same one
[12:51] <Jaeke555> Can someone help me with a WLAN issue?
[12:51] <livingdaylight> cpk1: indeed :)
[12:51] <Mike2k6> starting connections :\ how lame
[12:51] <cpk1> Mike2k6: actually you arent done yet =P
[12:52] <xsacha> what's left?
[12:52] <Mike2k6> oh lord
[12:52] <Mike2k6> :-\
[12:52] <cpk1> he needs to set java as default if it isnt
[12:52] <xsacha> no..
[12:52] <cpk1> Mike2k6: update-java-alternatives -l will tell you if sun java is default or not
[12:52] <xsacha> frostwire just *works* then :)
[12:52] <Mike2k6> it wont connect :-(
[12:53] <Mike2k6> says has detected a firewall
[12:53] <Mike2k6> do i need to set permissions for frostwire?
[12:53] <Mike2k6> like the ability to connect maybe?
[12:54] <Mike2k6> java-1.5.0-sun 53 /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun
[12:55] <cpk1> Mike2k6: that was the first listed?
[12:55] <Mike2k6> only listed
[12:55] <cpk1> well good =)
[12:55] <Mike2k6> frost wire wont connect
[12:55] <Mike2k6> i remember like an hour back someone said something about chmoding frostwire
[12:55] <Mike2k6> -a and -x maybe?
[12:56] <MidMark> grothesk: tried?
[12:56] <xsacha> Mike2k6: what does it show for # of shared files?
[12:56] <xsacha> to the right of firewall and starting connection
[12:56] <Mike2k6> 0 :-p, i dont share
[12:56] <xsacha> k
[12:56] <Mike2k6> or go to jail
[12:57] <Mike2k6> :-p
[12:57] <xsacha> it's just that by default it seems to like to add your ~ to sharing as well as what you choose :S
[12:57] <Mike2k6> i took away the shared folders
[12:57] <xsacha> k
[12:57] <Mike2k6> it wont connect tho.
[12:58] <cpk1> Mike2k6: you shouldnt need to chmod the .sh since you seem to already be running it =) +x adds execute priv
[12:58] <Mike2k6> its been starting connection since god made the earth.
[12:58] <cpk1> which you can obviously do already
[12:58] <Mike2k6> nod
[12:59] <Mike2k6> why wont it connect :-(
[01:00] <cpk1> well I know nothing about frostwire so I have no clue
[01:00] <cpk1> but hey it runs now!
[01:00] <Mike2k6> yeah wohoo!
[01:00] <Mike2k6> i got no where!
[01:00] <Mike2k6> lol
[01:00] <cpk1> and you should hopefully know how to install via apt-get now
[01:00] <Mike2k6> well i got java
[01:00] <Mike2k6> yeah sudo apt-get install apphere
[01:00] <cpk1> Mike2k6: and sudo apt-get upgrade will update any apps that can be
[01:01] <Mike2k6> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:01] <cpk1> and apt-cache search findthisterm searches from the list of what you can download
[01:01] <Cyron> Use aptitude, not apt-get :)
[01:02] <xsacha> oh hey i connected mike!!
[01:02] <brainless> hmm ... is it correct that gkrellm-x86info and gkrellmapcupsd have the same description in the adept package manager? ("gkrellm plugin displaying the current processor speed")
[01:02] <Mike2k6> xsacha: ya?
[01:02] <cpk1> Mike2k6: also you are going to want mp3 support too probably right?
[01:02] <xsacha> Mike2k6: i changed port in tools->options->advanced->firewall config to one of my open ports.. and then i clicked disconnect and then connect (in file)
[01:03] <xsacha> Excellent Condition! :)
[01:03] <Mike2k6> cpk1: well yeah lol
[01:03] <Mike2k6> xsacha: how do i know which of my ports are open?
[01:03] <xsacha> well i opened mine in router..
[01:03] <Mike2k6> nvm it conneceted
[01:03] <xsacha> for some reason their UPnP didnt seem to work
[01:03] <Mike2k6> lol
[01:04] <Mike2k6> i went into setings like you did
[01:04] <Mike2k6> and just updated it
[01:04] <xsacha> :P
[01:04] <cpk1> Mike2k6: so apt-get install libxine-extracodecs (or aptitude install libxine-extracodecs)
[01:05] <cpk1> for mp3 support among other things
[01:05] <xsacha> trying to subtly push that aptitude in there ;)
[01:05] <ketsugi> teehee
[01:05] <ketsugi> Is aptitude still better than apt-get?
[01:05] <ketsugi> I notice Edgy's apt-get improved a bit
[01:05] <xsacha> no, worse -- always will be worse because it takes longer to type than apt-get
[01:06] <ketsugi> That is true
[01:06] <cpk1> actually i think aptitude is faster
[01:06] <ketsugi> But I can always easily make an alias for either
[01:06] <cpk1> apti vs apt-g
[01:06] <xsacha> :P
[01:06] <xsacha> a vs a
[01:06] <Mike2k6> ok
[01:06] <ketsugi> I was just wondering if apt-get, with its new autoremove stuff, is still lousy at removing orphaned packages
[01:07] <Mike2k6> lol two hours later i get frostbite working
[01:07] <Mike2k6> :-p
[01:07] <Mike2k6> or frostwire rather
[01:07] <cpk1> i still use apt-get out of force of habit but have been making an effort to use aptitude
[01:07] <ketsugi> Yeah same here
[01:07] <ketsugi> I'm just wondering if I still should do that, under Edgy
[01:08] <cpk1> the only difference is aptitude "remembers" what it does or something right?
[01:08] <ketsugi> Yeah I think so
[01:08] <ketsugi> but apt-get now has autoremove
[01:08] <ketsugi> so I'm wondering if aptitude is still necessary, and what are the exact benefits of using aptitude over the current version of apt-get
[01:09] <Mike2k6> so anyways, how do i install and use wine?
[01:09] <xsacha> hmm is there a way to make it so that my laptop disables scaling processor (always at 100%) whenever it gets power from wall, and then back to scaling whenever battery is being used again?
[01:09] <cpk1> go to the wine website and use their repo
[01:09] <cpk1> Mike2k6: actually looks like edgy has an up to date package
[01:10] <cpk1> so you dont need the winehq package
[01:10] <Mike2k6> oh?
[01:10] <ketsugi> sudo aptitude install wine
[01:10] <Mike2k6> frostwire is buggy, stupid java programs lol
[01:10] <ketsugi> I'm using the Edgy package to run uTorrent
[01:10] <xsacha> 0.9.22 is in repo
[01:10] <Werdna> hey, I'm trying to install ndiswrapper from source, and it wants files in /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/build -- I have the linux-headers and linux-source packages installed. What do I need?
[01:10] <cpk1> .22 if *fairly* new =P
[01:11] <xsacha> .24 is latest
[01:11] <cpk1> the winehq repo just pushed .24 at me
[01:12] <xsacha> gonna go play a game with wine, brb
[01:12] <Mike2k6> ketsugi: ok installed wine via aptitude
[01:12] <cpk1> so run winecfg
[01:13] <ketsugi> I didn't even run winecfg haha
[01:13] <cpk1> that was a small one
[01:13] <ketsugi> I just immediately ran uTorrent
[01:13] <xsacha> :P
[01:13] <cpk1> i had to because i was using my cdrom with it
[01:13] <Mike2k6> so u can just open an exe now?
[01:13] <Mike2k6> or what?
[01:13] <xsacha> Mike2k6: winecfg
[01:14] <xsacha> run it?
[01:14] <cpk1> Mike2k6: what are you trying to install?
[01:14] <Mike2k6> type run winewfg?
[01:14] <xsacha> no run
[01:14] <Mike2k6> cpk1 wine
[01:14] <cpk1> Mike2k6: you already installed wine
[01:14] <xsacha> alt+f2 and then winecfg
[01:18] <Mike2k6> ok frostwire is buggin
[01:18] <Mike2k6> it wotn close
[01:18] <Mike2k6> i did sudo ps -aux |more
[01:18] <Mike2k6> cant find it on the list
[01:18] <xsacha> just: sudo killall frostwire
[01:18] <cpk1> why use |more?
[01:18] <ketsugi> might be frostwire.exe or something like that
[01:18] <cpk1> just do ps aux
[01:18] <Mike2k6> cause thats what i read on the tutorial
[01:18] <xsacha> naah it's native ketsugi
[01:19] <ketsugi> ahh
[01:19] <cpk1> and killing by pid is alot easier
[01:19] <xsacha> Mike2k6: ps -aux | grep frostwire
[01:19] <cpk1> as in you actually know that you are killing the right thing
[01:19] <cpk1> its java
[01:19] <cpk1> so you probably need to kill java
[01:19] <xsacha> oh
[01:19] <Mike2k6> hrm
[01:20] <Mike2k6> so sudo killall java
[01:20] <xsacha> well check ps first
[01:20] <xsacha> grep for the name
[01:20] <chavo> are you running it with wine?
[01:20] <xsacha> no
[01:20] <chavo> ok
[01:20] <xsacha> i see: xsacha    2891  0.0  0.3   7476  1664 ?        S    22:20   0:00 /bin/bash /usr/bin/frostwire
[01:21] <xsacha> also: xsacha    2927 45.7 20.8 416572 106432 ?       Sl   22:20   0:12 java -jar FrostWire.jar
[01:21] <Mike2k6> mike      7576  0.0  0.1   4144  1600 ?        S    05:51   0:00 bash runFrost.s
[01:22] <cpk1> Mike2k6: so just do kill 7576
[01:22] <cpk1> save -9 for the naughty apps
[01:23] <Mike2k6> didnt kill the app
[01:23] <Mike2k6> frostwire still runs
[01:23] <cpk1> i say kill java =P
[01:23] <Mike2k6> how?
[01:24] <xsacha> ps -aux | grep java
[01:24] <Mike2k6> found it
[01:24] <Mike2k6> frostwire.jar
[01:24] <Mike2k6> stupid hobo
[01:24] <xsacha> yes
[01:25] <sorush20> where do I install qmake from?
[01:25] <sorush20> !qmake
[01:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qmake - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:27] <cpk1> !find qmake
[01:27] <ubotu> File qmake found in kdevelop3-data, libqt4-dev, qt3-dev-tools
[01:27] <rolando> hola
[01:27] <cpk1> there you go sorush20
[01:28] <rolando> what package im supposed to install to make my SD/mmc/... card reader work?
[01:28] <rolando> it worked before with 6.06
[01:28] <rolando> but now it wont work
[01:29] <MistaED> rolando: do usb drives work? make sure the hal packages are installed and i think pmount
[01:29] <rolando> MistaED: yes they do
[01:30] <rolando> its just this thing to read cam cards
[01:31] <MistaED> rolando: because most all card readers should just be detected as mass storage devices via usb, so it should just work
[01:31] <MistaED> odd
[01:31] <DieMyDarling> hallo
[01:31] <rolando> yes, because on windows they work just fine
[01:32] <DieMyDarling> is somebody here who can help me with an internet problem?
[01:32] <MistaED> rolando: try opening up a terminal, plug in your card thing and wait 5-10 seconds, then try the command: dmesg
[01:33] <MistaED> see what the kernel says about the drive
[01:33] <rolando> ok
[01:33] <rolando> ill try
[01:34] <Mike2k6> cd burning works
[01:35] <rolando> tifm_7xx1: sd card detected in socket 3
[01:36] <rolando> brb
[01:40] <veronika> i did a fresh install of kubuntu edgy
[01:40] <veronika> and now i cannot start graphical programs with sudo anymore
[01:40] <veronika> what could be the problem here?
[01:41] <chavo> veronika, use kdesu for graphical programs
[01:42] <mf_debian> can anyone tell me how to turn off the bouncy icon notification thing you get when you open an app
[01:42] <veronika> now that just hangs
[01:44] <MidMark> someone else with bug -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/68880
[01:46] <mf_debian> MidMark: did you do an "apt-get install ubuntu-minimal" ?
[01:48] <MidMark> mf_debian: I'll check now
[01:48] <mf_debian> MidMark: cause i think that fixed the issue for me, without that it doesnt upgrade sysvinit to upstart
[01:49] <mf_debian> MidMark: therefore i think the runlevels werent executing correctly
[01:49] <MidMark> upstart is the new init package?
[01:50] <mf_debian> correct
[01:50] <MidMark> ok thanx for the hint, now I'll check this
[01:51] <mf_debian> if you could confirm it, i'll edit the bts
[01:51] <MidMark> the problem is not my pc, so I've to wait for response :)
[01:51] <MidMark> is my brother notebook
[01:51] <mf_debian> ah
[01:51] <MidMark> I've done personally the upgrade from dapper
[01:52] <MidMark> and checked only to have kubuntu-desktop upgraded
[01:52] <MidMark> not ubuntu-minimal
[01:52] <mf_debian> maybe you can help me, can you tell me how to turn off the bouncy icon notification thing you get when you open an app
[01:52] <MidMark> yes wait
[01:54] <mf_debian> MidMark: yeah i would have never thought about ubuntu-minimal, but im on the announce mailing list, and the latest email, which is different than what was said for the knot releases
[01:54] <Hobbsee> ubuntu-minimal is not a dep of kubuntu-desktop, i'm still not sure why
[01:54] <mf_debian> says to do a dist-upgrade and sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal
[01:55] <MidMark> also kubuntu-desktop still get uninstalled when upgrade
[01:55] <vge> hi, i need to run php4 and php5 version in the same apache setup (or two apaches) but both file extentions have to be .php?
[01:55] <MidMark> this is a shame
[01:55] <mf_debian> Hobbsee: yes odd I agree, but as i said, sysvinit didnt get swapped for upstart until i install ubuntu-minimal
[01:55] <Hobbsee> mf_debian: indeed.
[01:57] <mf_debian> vge: no you can have .php5 and .php4, its an apache setting
[01:57] <Dannilion> ARG!!! Why won't it work!
[01:58] <mf_debian> its on  welfare already?
[01:58] <Dannilion> I want my wireless card to automatically connect to my router on startup. No matter how I do it, I still have to manually set the ESSID
[02:00] <siefkencp> cant you embed it in the conf?
[02:00] <siefkencp> morning all
[02:01] <siefkencp> vge: have you ever compiled php from scratch?
[02:01] <vge> siefkencp: i could if i needed to
[02:01] <Dannilion> It's already in /etc/network/interfaces- I don't know where else to put it
[02:01] <vge> i just need to basically make seperate working directorys for em?
[02:02] <mf_debian> Dannilion:  what does it say
[02:02] <siefkencp> very well... I would suggest doing the package install of PHP 5 and then do a usr/local/php4 install with a /etc/php4/php.ini file
[02:02] <siefkencp> then set up apache to recognize .php4 to run with /usr/local/php4/php
[02:02] <Dannilion> at the bottom of everything else (ip numbers and stuff, which works) it says wireless-essid DJS
[02:03] <vge> but i want both to be runned with .php?
[02:03] <siefkencp> ,,,, hmm
[02:03] <siefkencp> only way to do that -- that I know of is with cgi
[02:03] <rolando> is there a way to install beryl without so much editing files?
[02:04] <vge> im atm running that php5 are runned with cgi and with .php5 and php4 as .php
[02:04] <siefkencp> so you put you #!/usr/local/php or #!/usr/local/php4 at the begining of your file and disable php as an extention of apache
[02:04] <mf_debian> vge: siefkencp is right,, only one can be run as an apache module, afaik
[02:04] <chavo> rolando, just one file to edit
[02:05] <vge> but i can install two apaches and point them to different config to different home folder?
[02:05] <siefkencp> its going to be slower but it will work
[02:05] <Mike2k6> anyone know a good alarm clock app for kubuntu?
[02:05] <siefkencp> you could but you would be binding them to different addresses...
[02:05] <vge> so i have red
[02:06] <vge> hmm
[02:06] <rolando> chavo: depends what guide you read
[02:06] <vge> ic what i can come up to
[02:06] <chavo> rolando, assuming you have 3d acceleration already
[02:06] <siefkencp> if you were running 2 completely separate instances you could run both versions and use include
[02:07] <siefkencp> and devise some sort of db to maintain state information and such
[02:07] <vge> i think it's just better to move to php5 compleately :)
[02:07] <siefkencp> def... and you get all the OO support
[02:08] <siefkencp> you'd be surprised most things dont break
[02:08] <vge> well, some broke, thats why i was looking for some solution
[02:09] <vge> mainly becouse of old bad coding
[02:09] <siefkencp> hmm what did -- i made the jump to php5 already
[02:09] <rolando> chavo what was the command to check this?
[02:09] <rolando> i should have by default when installing 6.10 and ati card
[02:09] <siefkencp> the thing with php5 is that all of the settings are slightly different..
[02:10] <felixjet> gimp 2.3.9 packed for ubuntu will works on kubuntu?
[02:10] <felixjet> or i need dl the sources?
[02:10] <chavo> rolando, it should work yes, but I've never set up ati
[02:10] <siefkencp> vge:??
[02:10] <rolando> chavo: but what is the command?
[02:11] <rolando> with glxgears or something like that
[02:11] <navaburo> Anyone get beryl working on kubuntu (kde) ?
[02:12] <rolando> navaburo: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Dapper/XGL
[02:12] <chavo> rolando, you cany try glxinfo
[02:12] <MidMark> mf_debian: I cannot remember the option to remove th bouncing icon... I'm sure that I've seen it before...
[02:12] <chavo> glxinfo | grep direct
[02:12] <navaburo> rolando, yes, and when I go beryl-manager i loose my window decorations and i have to ctrl-alt-bspace
[02:13] <rolando> navaburo: that is what happens to me now
[02:13] <rolando> but before it looked very cool
[02:13] <vge> siefkencp: not really sure yet, but ill can fix those errors
[02:13] <navaburo> any idea whats causing it?
[02:13] <rolando> you can also enter command kwin and you will not have to crtl+alt+backspace
[02:13] <rolando> not yet
[02:13] <siefkencp> vge: i know i used to take advantage of register_globals and got myself in trouble when i pulled the php5 trigger so i had to turn it on again for a time
[02:14] <navaburo> ok, cool
[02:14] <mf_debian> MidMark: ok, i was sure it was visual feedback under mouse settings, but no dice, i really cant stand it
[02:14] <chavo> navaburo, do you have the shadows enabled when you run kwin?
[02:14] <vge> siefkencp: don't worry, i code php for a living :)
[02:15] <navaburo> chavo, i have not gotten anything to work. I dont get a manager or anything when i go beryl-manager. It just crashes the wm
[02:15] <chavo> vge, yuck :P
[02:15] <chavo> navaburo, kwin is working no?
[02:16] <siefkencp> vge: i used to... now im a 'manager' ive been working on learning c#.net for fun
[02:16] <felixjet> when i minimize sound programs to taskbar they dont continue playing music :S
[02:16] <MidMark> mf_debian: found
[02:16] <navaburo> chavo, what do you mean by "working"? should i run it?
[02:16] <siefkencp> its funny i still build stuff in php or python when i actually want it to work
[02:16] <chavo> yes try it
[02:16] <MidMark> have to open kcontrol -> look and feel -> applications start [similar] 
[02:17] <vge> siefkencp: ya, php is fast for little things :-)
[02:17] <navaburo> chavo, well, i cant. My virtual consoles dont work, so i cant run anything outside x
[02:17] <chavo> navaburo, try hitting alt-f2 for the run box
[02:17] <chavo> it should get focus
[02:18] <navaburo> chavo, oh, kde is running fine now.. i dont need to kill it
[02:19] <navaburo> what i care more about is the fact that any shutdown from the gui crashes after killing the X session
[02:19] <navaburo> even before i installed beryl
[02:19] <navaburo> however, sudo poweroff works fine
[02:19] <navaburo> is there a sudo **** command for suspend/hibernate
[02:20] <MidMark> mf_debian: found?
[02:20] <chavo> I'm sure there's a commandline to run suspend, but I don't know it. I turn all that off anyway.
[02:21] <Frumpy> !boot
[02:21] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a bootfloppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[02:21] <navaburo> chavo, turn off powermanagement? I am on a laptop so thats not a n option for me
[02:21] <navaburo> !suspend
[02:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:21] <siefkencp> vge: yeah i miss coding everyday...
[02:21] <chavo> navaburo, just stating that I don't know the command not suggesting you turn it off
[02:22] <Frumpy> !boot floppy
[02:22] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a bootfloppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[02:22] <Frumpy> !install floppy
[02:22] <Frumpy> !floppy
[02:22] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[02:22] <navaburo> i am looking it up... i was just saying that it is a priority for me
[02:22] <Jucato> Frumpy: please /msg ubotu if you're not sure what you're looking for. thanks :)
[02:22] <mf_debian> MidMark: nah
[02:24] <Frumpy> is there a way to create a bootalble floppy install disk from the cdrom ?
[02:29] <Gecko> Frumpy: as far as I know, there are no install floppies for K/ubuntu
[02:29] <Gecko> Katapult is nice, by the way :)
[02:29] <gnomefreak> Jucato: got good news for now :)
[02:29] <Jucato> gnomefreak: yes? :)
[02:30] <gnomefreak> i think i will have frostwire .deb and .tar.gz today sometime for testing :)
[02:30] <gnomefreak> for edgy ;)
[02:30] <Jucato> that's great!!
[02:31] <Jucato> although I don't use them personally, someone in here has doing backflips to get it working :)
[02:32] <gnomefreak> once i figure out an easy way to get this together i can test than roll them out for testing :)
[02:32] <Jucato> kool!
[02:32] <Jucato> if you can promise that it will not totally hose down my purrrrfect system, I'm willing to test :P
[02:33] <gnomefreak> it wont thats why im testing first
[02:33] <gnomefreak> before i release the files
[02:34] <MidMark> mf_debian: no? open kcontrol -> look and feel (where to change themes) -> there is an entry only for that
[02:34] <Jucato> MidMark: what's he looking for?
[02:34] <MidMark> disable bouncing app icon when they start
[02:35] <mf_debian> you sir are a legend
[02:35] <MidMark> mf_debian: found?
[02:35] <Jucato> ah yeah
[02:35] <Jucato> it will be brought back to System Settings soonish probably...
[02:36] <mf_debian> yep, and turned off, i was just trying to use system settingsd
[02:36] <MidMark> Jucato: a lot of things are missing to system settings
[02:36] <MidMark> also kdm theme control
[02:36] <MidMark> I use a lot
[02:36] <Jucato> MidMark: no. you have to install kdmtheme for that
[02:36] <MidMark> done
[02:36] <Jucato> it's a separate package really.
[02:36] <MidMark> but it appears only in kcontrol
[02:36] <MidMark> really
[02:36] <MidMark> in dapper is ok, edgy not
[02:36] <Jucato> MidMark: really?
[02:37] <Jucato> let me try
[02:37] <BluesKaj> FF2.0 crashes when i try to play the video on this site ...FF played it ok with media wrap in it's previous release...wonder what the bug is ...anyone care to try this : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15021048/ snakes on a house!
[02:37] <MidMark> try try
[02:37] <mf_debian> it was godamn doing my head in, not so much the bouncing, but especially as it creates tearing in other windows
[02:37] <dude_> hello guys
[02:37] <dude_> jucato !
[02:37] <Jucato> dude_!!
[02:37] <andy> to avoid the ff2.0 crashn
[02:38] <andy> you should use this little script
[02:38] <andy> hang on
[02:38] <dude_> jucato: question, can i add edubuntu?
[02:38] <andy> export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1
[02:38] <andy> firefox
[02:38] <Jucato> MidMark: by golly you're right!! thanks for bringing that up
[02:38] <Jucato> dude_: whatever floats your boat :)
[02:38] <MidMark> Jucato: you are the mainteiner?
[02:38] <mf_debian> BluesKaj:  was ok for me
[02:39] <Jucato> MidMark: no. but I'll inform them.
[02:39] <dude_> jucato: :) i used sudo aptitude install -R edubuntu-desktop, but nothing happened
[02:39] <Jucato> MidMark: although really some of the modules not in System Settings were meant to be out. (Panel settings, File Management, Web Browsing, Wallet/Securit, etc)
[02:39] <Jucato> dude_: hm... let me check
[02:39] <BluesKaj> mf_debian, do youhave the "media wrap" xtn for FF?
[02:40] <MidMark> Jucato: in my opinion system settings should have evrything
[02:40] <MidMark> don't know why have to open kcontrol for something
[02:40] <MidMark> like the boucing icon
[02:40] <Jucato> MidMark: it shouldn't it's supposed to be a lightweight settings manager
[02:40] <mf_debian> BluesKaj: ah, no sorry, misread
[02:40] <Jucato> MidMark: Launch Feedback is one of those that were accidentally left out
[02:41] <Hawkwind> !info edubuntu-desktop
[02:41] <ubotu> edubuntu-desktop: edubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.19 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 40 kB
[02:41] <Jucato> MidMark: it was overlooked, but not intentional
[02:41] <MidMark> mf_debian: YOU HAVE RIGHT!
[02:41] <MidMark> ubuntu-minimal wasn't installed
[02:42] <mf_debian> MidMark: and kdm starts now?
[02:42] <Jucato> dude_: strange. it's supposed to be in main. did you check your spelling?
[02:42] <MidMark> mf_debian: wait for the check...
[02:42] <dude_> jucato: what happend?
[02:42] <MidMark> it's so stupid that the upgrade doesn't work very well
[02:42] <mf_debian> heh
[02:43] <mf_debian> cant get everything right
[02:43] <Jucato> MidMark: did you happen to install anything like XGL/Compiz, or anything from automatix, easyubuntu, etc?
[02:44] <dude_> jucato: what happend?
[02:44] <Jucato> dude_: what happened to what?
[02:45] <jel> dude_: i think he means that he just upgraded :)
[02:45] <Jucato> jel: nah. it means that Hoary has retired :)
[02:46] <dude_> jucato: why is it edubuntu is not included in the session section
[02:46] <berkes> hey there. Can anyone help me with a digital camera issue?
[02:46] <jel> Jucato: wish I could retire after a couple of ubuntu release cycles :)
[02:46] <berkes> I think my fstab is broken.
[02:47] <jel> berkes: why?
[02:47] <Jucato> dude_: hm... not sure.. :(
[02:47] <jel> brb
[02:47] <trym|work> I have a problem after upgrading to etch.. many apps like dia / rdesktop etc crashes with the following error: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[02:47] <BluesKaj> andy the script didn't seem to work
[02:47] <dude_> The following packages have been kept back:
[02:47] <dude_>   gkrellm ktrack
[02:47] <berkes> jel: it mounts alright, but I see weird files. not the normal dirs and images,
[02:47] <Hawkwind> trym|work: You upgraded to Etch ?
[02:47] <Jucato> trym|work: etch?
[02:48] <trym|work> yup
[02:48] <berkes> but instead, I get dirs named 001 to 004 and a file 'devices'
[02:48] <Hawkwind> trym|work: Might join #Debian then and talk to them folks
[02:48] <Jucato> trym|work: shouldn't you be asking that in the Debian IRC
[02:48] <Jucato> Hawkwind: I think they moved out of freenode
[02:48] <berkes> yel looks like I have the wrong -type  flag in fstab or so
[02:48] <Hawkwind> Jucato: The channel is still here too though
[02:48] <Jucato> ah
[02:48] <trym|work> should I ?
[02:48] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Their official presence is on OFTC however
[02:48] <andy> i wrote it in antiflashcrash.sh, chmod it to execute and when i run ff that way it never crashes...
[02:48] <dude_> jucato: is this the command? "sudo aptitude install -R edubuntu-desktop"?
[02:49] <trym|work> wait
[02:49] <trym|work> sorry
[02:49] <Jucato> trym|work: yes you should
[02:49] <trym|work> edgy ;)
[02:49] <Hawkwind> trym|work: Yes, this is a Kubuntu channel, support for Debian is in #Debian
[02:49] <trym|work> I mix them up every time
[02:49] <trym|work> edgy.. not etch
[02:49] <Jucato> dude_: yes. but I'm not sure what option will be in the Sessions menu, as Edubuntu also uses GNOME...
[02:49] <trym|work> sorry, but you're stuck with me ;)
[02:50] <jel> berkes: When you mount what?
[02:50] <dude_> jucato: maybe the're using the same desktop
[02:50] <Jucato> yes
[02:50] <berkes> jel: its a camera. usb. it mounts when inserted.
[02:51] <jel> berkes: check if it has more than one partition on it
[02:51] <berkes> jel: how?
[02:51] <jel> berkes: something like cfdisk /dev/sda
[02:51] <Dasnipa`> mounts on insertion? seems backwards (sry bad joke)
[02:52] <Jucato> very bad joke :P
[02:52] <berkes> jel: hmm. this is even weirder. I just changed the fstab fystype to "auto" and remounted it as root.
[02:52] <berkes> then it works.
[02:52] <trym|work> anyone ?
[02:53] <trym|work> I have a problem after upgrading to EDGY.. many apps like dia / rdesktop etc crashes with the following error: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[02:53] <Ayabara> I run kubuntu under vmware. after upgrading from dapper to edgy using apt it hangs somewhere during boot. :-( . any clever ways to solve this vague problem?
[02:54] <jel> berkes: what was the fstab before?
[02:54] <jel> *fstype
[02:54] <berkes> jel: i fiddled with it before, so I don't have a vanilla. but it had "usbfs"
[02:54] <berkes> it gets even weirder. Now that i changed te type to 'auto' I cannot mount it as user anymore
[02:55] <jel> berkes: ahh.
[02:55] <berkes> jel: any clue how I can make it user-mountable again?
[02:55] <jel> berkes: you want it to be vfat, not usbfs  in the options column, you should have user
[02:55] <mf_debian> MidMark: I added  a comment about ubuntu-minimal inn the bug report you mentioned earlier
[02:55] <Jucato> berkes: is it even supposed to have an fstab entry?
[02:56] <jel> berkes: also, if you mounted it as root, you'll have to remount as root, or umount, then mount as a user
[02:56] <Jucato> MidMark: did you check if kubuntu-desktop was installed before/when you upgraded?
[02:57] <jel> berkes: yep, you can probably just remove the fstab entry altogether, on an edgy system, if you don't mind your desktop deciding the mount point.
[02:57] <berkes> Jucato: I don't know.
[02:57] <jel> but personally, I find that madenning :)
[02:57] <berkes> jel: I know that, about mounting -re -un as root.
[02:57] <berkes> jel: I don't mind, no.
[02:57] <jel> ok :)
[02:58] <jel> then just remove it, and make sure udev, hal, and your desktop (kde or gnome, I'm assuming) are installed
[03:00] <trym|work> anyone ?
[03:00] <ZeeO> can you get a kubuntu netboot.img
[03:00] <ZeeO> or only ubuntu
[03:00] <boguh> hi, im using dapper, can i just update to edgy by doing substituting dapper with edgy in sources.list?
[03:00] <ZeeO> i can only seem to find
[03:00] <ZeeO> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[03:00] <ZeeO> not a ubuntu copy
[03:00] <ZeeO> not a kubuntu copy
[03:00] <ZeeO> i meen
[03:01] <Jucato> ZeeO: isn't a netboot supposed to be a very very minimal installer?
[03:01] <ZeeO> netboot is for PXE
[03:01] <ZeeO> installs
[03:01] <Jucato> ah
[03:01] <ZeeO> ya its realy small
[03:01] <ZeeO> its a laptop that has a bad cdrom
[03:01] <ZeeO> so i don't have cdrom or floopy
[03:02] <ZeeO> to boot with so i have to boot off network
[03:02] <ZeeO> PXE
[03:02] <Jucato> ZeeO: I'm guessing then, that it has no desktop/GUI included, which means it only has the very basic installation
[03:02] <boguh> my question too hard?
[03:02] <Jucato> !upgrade| boguh
[03:02] <ubotu> boguh: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[03:02] <MidMark> Jucato: the problem is this -> kubuntu-desktop was installed, but when with adept with perform the upgrade then kubuntu-desktop is uninstalled automatically, yhen I've installed it again, but ubuntu-minimal was escluded
[03:03] <ZeeO> well i have instaleld ubuntu all the way
[03:03] <ZeeO> with PXE just now
[03:03] <ZeeO> to desktop
[03:03] <ZeeO> so i don
[03:03] <ZeeO> 't see y i can't find a kubuntu copy
[03:03] <ZeeO> of the img
[03:03] <ZeeO> i may just install KDE
[03:03] <ZeeO> ontop of this instlal
[03:03] <omar> hey ppl
[03:04] <omar> isnt there something like AppServ for ubuntu/kubuntu?
[03:04] <omar> I am trying to install apache/php/mysql
[03:04] <jel> ZeeO: don't reinstall; just run synaptic, install kubuntu-desktop, and then later, remove gnome-desktop etc.
[03:04] <omar> without success
[03:04] <omar> i already installed apache2 and php5
[03:04] <omar>  and phpmyadmin
[03:04] <jel> omar: appserv?  A directory of software you can install?
[03:05] <omar> but when I access phpmyadmin from firefox or konqueror they ask me to download the script
[03:05] <omar> appserv is a package that installs phpmyadmin+mysql+apache  in Windows
[03:05] <jel> omar: you need libapache2-mod-php5, not the php5 package; that's different
[03:05] <omar> yep that is installed
[03:06] <jel> omar: ahh, ok
[03:06] <omar> libapache2-mod-php5 5.1.2.1ubuntu3.3
[03:06] <ZeeO> k
[03:06] <omar> also when I run mysql it says that it can not connect  to local server trough socket var/run...
[03:06] <omar> and if I run mysql i get "segmentation fault"
[03:07] <jel> omar: you may need to enable the modules.  Go into /etc/apache2, and move the php5 stuff from modules-available to modules-enabled (I think those are the dir names)
[03:07] <omar> I just downloaded and installed mysql from synaptic
[03:07] <dude_> jucato: hehehe, the original gnome was replaced by edubuntu...
[03:07] <omar> what file
[03:07] <Jucato> dude_: patay...
[03:07] <omar> apache2.conf
[03:07] <jel> omar: the seg fault sounds bad, but is probably unrelated to this.  Fix one thing at a time.
[03:07] <omar> or httpd.conf
[03:07] <dude_> jucato: yari !
[03:07] <jel> omar: no, in the directories
[03:08] <omar> ok done
[03:08] <omar> moved 2 files
[03:08] <dude_> jucato: can i use this? "sudo aptitude install -R ubuntu-desktop"?
[03:08] <omar> php5.conf
[03:08] <omar> and php5.load
[03:08] <jel> omar: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[03:08] <Jucato> dude_: sudo aptitude remove edubuntu-desktop
[03:08] <Jucato> dude_: just check that it removes the stuff that it installed
[03:08] <brian__> hi, how do I get nvidia 3d in kubuntu, I installed nvidia-glx, but glxgears shows an error?
[03:09] <omar> done
[03:09] <jel> omar: give it a shot now
[03:09] <omar> mmm no
[03:09] <omar> still not working, if i go to
[03:09] <omar> localhost/phpmyadmin/index.php
[03:09] <omar> firefox tells me to download the file
[03:09] <omar> i open it
[03:09] <omar> and it is the unparsed php script
[03:10] <omar> hey
[03:10] <omar> konqueror did it
[03:10] <jel> yeah, it shouldn't download.  It's doing that because apache sends the raw file instead of realising it's supposed to run it and send the resulting data.  I guess you probably know that.   But, that's what the config files do, so this is strange.
[03:10] <omar> firefox asked me
[03:10] <jel> omar: ahh, OK
[03:11] <omar> but with konqueror it is ok
[03:11] <jel> you could try purging your cache in firefox then
[03:11] <omar> i guess it is a matter of fx cache
[03:11] <omar> ya
[03:11] <omar> now
[03:11] <omar> i've got the mysql problem
[03:11] <omar> =oS
[03:11] <jel> omar: :)
[03:11] <omar> sudo mysqld
[03:11] <redirtS> hi, trying to get nvidia 3d moving, I already installed nvidia glx, but glxfgears shows an error
[03:12] <omar> omar@gladia:~$ sudo mysqld
[03:12] <omar> Segmentation fault
[03:12] <omar> omar@gladia:~$
[03:12] <omar> should I try and reinstall mysql?
[03:13] <jel> omar: do dpkg --configure -a, and see if it tries to fix anything
[03:13] <jel> omar: if not, it's unlikely to be broken :)
[03:14] <jel> omar: in a way that package handling can fix, I mean.  Segfaults are always broken :)
[03:14] <starpause> i've got an error on step 4 of the KubuntuUpgrade wiki ... i've checked my sources list ... here's the error ... http://rafb.net/paste/results/KJNQEQ78.html
[03:14] <omar> I reinstalled
[03:14] <omar> it works
[03:14] <omar> :P
[03:14] <omar> but
[03:14] <jel> OK, cool :)
[03:14] <jel> hehhe, yes?
[03:15] <omar> what is the password?
[03:15] <omar> for the admin
[03:15] <omar> I can enter witih sudo
[03:15] <omar> but I dont know the admin password for phpmyadmin
[03:16] <MidMark> hwdb-client-kde is in the cd right?
[03:16] <dude_> jucato: it did not remove edubuntu
[03:16] <jel> ohh.  I forget if there is one or not.  I think you have to add it later with debian.   dpkg-reconfigure will let you reset the password for any mysql-server or phpmyadmin, if they that have one by default in debian.
[03:16] <Jucato> dude_: you didn't "sudo aptitude update" before you installed edubuntu, did you?
[03:16] <omar> k
[03:16] <omar> I'll look at the FM
[03:16] <omar> thanks
[03:16] <dude_> jucato: no :(
[03:16] <omar> FM==google =oP
[03:17] <Jucato> dude_: grrr...
[03:17] <jel> omar: I think I usually added it according to instructions on the net, to make it compatible with other people's setups.  But these days, I'm using postgresql and sqlite for dev, so it's been a while.
[03:17] <dude_> jucato: sorry, i forgot
[03:17] <vge> hmm, now im puzzled, i have php5 paggages installed, but still when i enter localhost php files, browser dont appear to recognize em? (tries to download)
[03:17] <vge> i have restarted the apache install
[03:17] <dude_> jucato: my mistake again...
[03:17] <redirtS> brian@brian-desktop:~$ glxgears
[03:17] <redirtS> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:17] <redirtS> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visua
[03:18] <Jucato> dude_: it's ok :)
[03:18] <Jucato> dude_: but I don't know what to do with that...
[03:18] <jel> vge: someone else just asked this :)   Have you enabled the modules in /etc/apache2 ?
[03:18] <dude_> jucato: so what will happen to my original gnome?
[03:19] <dude_> jucato, can i install gnome?
[03:19] <Jucato> dude_: :(
[03:19] <vge> jel: how i recheck?
[03:19] <Jucato> dude_: clueless... try reinstalling ubuntu-desktop....
[03:19] <jel> vge: ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php*
[03:19] <vge> nope
[03:19] <jel> vge: if nothing is listed, do mv /etc/apache2/mods-available/php* /etc/apaches/mods-enabled/
[03:20] <vge> ty
[03:20] <dude_> jucato: re install? my god...
[03:20] <jel> vge: then /etc/init.d/apache2 restart, and then clear your browser cache, and retry.
[03:21] <Jucato> dude_: really, I don't know anymore...
[03:21] <dude_> jucato: whats the function of "sudo aptitude update" again?
[03:21] <noelvis> who can help with kbuntu grub?
[03:22] <djmdave> noelvis: I'll have a go ;-)
[03:22] <Hawkwind> dude_: It updates the list of repos and fetches the new package lists from the repos
[03:22] <Jucato> dude_: you need to aptitude update so that when you install something with aptitude, you can remove the package and its dependencies later
[03:22] <dude_> jucato: so maybe i'll just stick to KDE and xubuntu
[03:23] <Jucato> dude_: meaning, that nice feature of aptitude that handles metapackages and it's dependencies will only work if you aptitude update first
[03:23] <jel> dude_: it gets the latest list of software.  the package manager uses that list to figure out what you have old versions of, and what is available that you don't have.
[03:23] <Jucato> dude_: nothing much to see in edubuntu, unless you're the educational type of guy :)
[03:24] <dude_> jucato: edubuntu uses main system of ubuntu right?
[03:24] <jel> vge: ok now?
[03:24] <Jucato> dude_: it uses GNOME, but has kdeedu apps as well.
[03:24] <redirtS> well, I have asked 3 times in about 30 minutes without even a "hi", guess no one knows, or you are too short handed --- I'll return later with my question --- should be an easy one. Have a good day
[03:25] <dude_> jucato: so it will not affect the functionalities of the base sytem, am i right or what?
[03:25] <vge> jel: rebooting the apache fails now :/
[03:25] <ZeeO> hey guys do you think a 1 ghz with 256 megs of ram will run xvid
[03:25] <vge> *apache2
[03:25] <ZeeO> or divx
[03:25] <ZeeO> or play
[03:25] <jel> vge: what does it say?
[03:25] <Jucato> dude_: you'll just have lots of apps in your menu :)
[03:25] <vge> !pastebin
[03:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:25] <dude_> jucato: ya...hehehe, lots of apss
[03:26] <noelvis> where can I get help on grub
[03:26] <vge> jel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29540/
[03:26] <redirtS> !nvidia
[03:26] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:26] <omar> !nvidia
[03:26] <omar> !pastebin
[03:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:26] <omar> !ati
[03:26] <omar> grr
[03:26] <omar> no ati
[03:27] <dude_> jucato: o well, i use KDE most of the time
[03:27] <Jucato> !ati | omar
[03:27] <ubotu> omar: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:27] <omar> hehe
[03:27] <omar> I already have 3d support
[03:27] <omar> can you imagine
[03:27] <omar> the open source drivers have 3d support for my card
[03:27] <vge> jel: any clue?
[03:27] <noelvis> i install Xp and then kubuntu and then grub dies
[03:27] <omar> whereas the closed source does not have
[03:27] <ehird> noelvis: not kubuntu, just grub :)
[03:28] <jel> vge: doesn't help :)  tail /var/log/apache2/error.log might help more.  But, what does ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php* show?
[03:28] <omar> freaking mumps
[03:28] <noelvis> ehid, I'm new at this chatting
[03:28] <ehird> noelvis: what effect does that have on what I said?
[03:28] <ehird> o_O
[03:29] <vge> jel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29541/
[03:29] <noelvis> not much :) but i still need help please
[03:30] <jel> vge: ahh, OK, you have php4 and 5.  try moving /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4* back to /etc/apache2/mods-available, leaving just the php5 stuff.
[03:30] <vge> k
[03:30] <ehird> any idea why shift+home doesn't select all text before cursor in kubuntu? delete acts as backspace too
[03:31] <Sharketor> who is using gaim?
[03:31] <noelvis> HELP grub, anybody?
[03:32] <jel> ehird: preference, I guess.  Try looking in System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts, or in your editor's preferences, if it's an editor and not just a text box
[03:32] <Sharketor> noelvis: what?
[03:32] <ehird> !grub | noelvis
[03:32] <ubotu> noelvis: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:32] <ehird> jel: alright, thanks
[03:32] <omar> is there any way to edit the grub menu?
[03:32] <omar> to make it graphical or somethin glike that?
[03:32] <ehird> omar: yes, no
[03:33] <BluesKaj> I'm not happy with KDE 3.5.5 ...it has no memory for personal login , screensaver etc settings .... kinda sucks !
[03:33] <omar> also, the start screen I would like to change it(where you log in)
[03:33] <Sharketor> omar: yes, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:33] <omar> I think it is the gdm
[03:33] <jel> BluesKaj: yes it does :)
[03:33] <noelvis> thanks ubotu
[03:33] <BluesKaj> ok jel , show me !
[03:33] <jel> BluesKaj: it should be there.  What have you done to make it disappear? ;)
[03:33] <Sharketor> nobody knows how install gaim emoticons
[03:33] <Sharketor> ????
[03:33] <omar> that ubotu is the r0xxx0r
[03:33] <ehird> well my only complaint about kubuntu 6.10 is that the purple is damn ugly, but i solved that by changing it to the nice blue Plastik :)
[03:33] <omar> :P
[03:34] <vge> jel: works now, ty :)
[03:34] <Hawkwind> Sharketor: sudo apt-get install gaim-themes
[03:34] <omar> strange
[03:34] <omar> I logged in at phpmyadmin once
[03:34] <jel> BluesKaj: run kcontrol, and look at the kdm options for the login prefs.  for screensaver, it's in appearance.
[03:34] <omar> and it was fine
[03:34] <BluesKaj> nothing disappeared jel , the settings just don't work
[03:34] <omar> but now one I log it says there is an error
[03:34] <omar> ont he right frame
[03:35] <jel> !doesn't work
[03:35] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[03:35] <ZeeO> if we go into a ice age all the harddrives will still be in the ice in 900,000 yrs for ppl to read
[03:35] <omar> "Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ':' in /usr/share/phpmyadmin/main.php on line 190"
[03:35] <ZeeO> and use
[03:35] <ZeeO> :)
[03:35] <ehird> oh, just one more thing I don't like about 6.10: default cursors are gnome-style
[03:35] <ehird> but that's it
[03:35] <ehird> otherwise it's great ;)
[03:35] <jel> vge: welcome.  Enjoy :)
[03:35] <BluesKaj> screensaver settings in system/desktop  for one ...thy test fine , the timer works but there is no slideshow
[03:35] <Sharketor> haw:thanks
[03:36] <ehird> um, quick quesiton
[03:36] <omar> hey
[03:36] <omar> there is a : in the main.ph
[03:36] <omar> instead of a ;
[03:36] <omar> ???
[03:36] <ehird> why does adept only show Menu Editor, and why is it still using the purple i changed? :p
[03:36] <jel> BluesKaj: you have to add some pictures for the slideshow screensaver.  That is one particular screensaver though, the screensaver system sounds like it's working, right?
[03:37] <dg6e74> how can i put a file in my ./system folder with one line of text in it called cdkey with no file extension
[03:37] <jel> ehird: adept sucks.  Just use synaptic or aptitude :)
[03:37] <omar> done
[03:37] <omar> that was weird
[03:37] <omar> why was a : instead of a ;
[03:37] <omar> in the *default* main.php file in phpMyAdmin
[03:38] <ehird> jel: even if it sucks, it's bundled with kubuntu and doesn't actually work. Not working = problem.
[03:38] <starpause> i've got an error on step 4 of the KubuntuUpgrade wiki ... i've checked my sources list ... here's the error ... http://rafb.net/paste/results/KJNQEQ78.html
[03:38] <ehird> omar: because phpmyadmin sucks :)
[03:38] <jel> dg6e74: gedit ./system/cdkey
[03:38] <jel> ehird: agreed.  adept should have been a straight clone of synaptic
[03:38] <BluesKaj> jel, I have "my pictures" file added to the slideshow option...it test fine but it won't run the file after the set time
[03:38] <ehird> jel: oh come on, even if it sucks it literally doesn't work
[03:39] <Sharketor> I have installed gaim theme, now how can I select one of them????
[03:39] <jel> ehird: agreed :)
[03:39] <dg6e74> jel: exactly like that
[03:40] <ehird> Here's what I mean: http://content.imagesocket.com/images/adeptproblem0a8.png
[03:40] <ehird> :p
[03:41] <jel> BluesKaj: hmm.. it should.  Works fine for me, across multiple machines, and through different versions of KDE, including the latest.  It might be something to do with your power settings.  Kubuntu has a new power control app, that might be interfering with the more standard kde stuff.
[03:41] <jel> dg6e74: that doesn't work for you?
[03:41] <ubuntu> There really is nothing more satisfying than installing kubuntu...
[03:42] <dg6e74> command not found
[03:42] <dg6e74> whats the command to delete a file
[03:42] <Kiongku> wow darkness not bad
[03:43] <Hawkwind> dg6e74: rm
[03:43] <ehird> nickste: so why did your name lack the k? ;)
[03:43] <jel> dg6e74: what desktop do you have installed?  gnome? kde?
[03:43] <Nickste> lol
[03:43] <dg6e74> kde
[03:43] <Nickste> it just logs one in with ubuntu username (Konversation)
[03:44] <jel> dg6e74: oh, right, this is #kubuntu :)
[03:44] <jel> dg6e74: in that case, kate ./cdkey
[03:44] <beralt> jel: what is a desktop? Can I install that on windows?
[03:44] <beralt> <:)
[03:44] <jel> beralt: no such thing exists for windows :)
[03:44] <dg6e74> that will put it in the sysem folder
[03:44] <ehird> Nickste: <:D
[03:44] <beralt> jel: not correct, I heard there are other WMs for windows
[03:44] <jel> beralt: they have a thing called "bob", but it's not really the same :)
[03:45] <jel> beralt: yeah, there are, I'm kidding.
[03:45] <beralt> jel: icewm can be ran on windows afaiks
[03:45] <Dr_willis> wine msbob.exe
[03:45] <jel> beralt: although, to be clear, wm is not the same as a desktop
[03:45] <Dr_willis> there are the alternative shells for windows. :)
[03:45] <Dr_willis> litestep, and a few others.
[03:45] <beralt> Dr_willis: yea, litestep is the one I meant.
[03:45] <jel> litestep, that's the one I was trying to think of.   Better starting with reactos though :)
[03:46] <Sharketor> I have installed gaim theme, now how can I select one of them????
[03:46] <beralt> oh; and there is cygwin install it and you can get a full KDE under win :)
[03:46] <ehird> In Konqueror, is there a way to make middle clicks on tabs close them instead of google search for what's on the clipboard? <_< >_>
[03:46] <jel> beralt: it'll be interesting to see kde 4 on windows :)
[03:46] <dg6e74> jel: that gave me some stuff but did not work
[03:46] <beralt> jel: I suspect that itll make a lot of apps interesting for windows too.
[03:47] <jel> dg6e74: what do you mean, it didn't work?  It should have loaded an editor.  Unless you're at the console?
[03:47] <dude_> Dr_willis !
[03:47] <dg6e74> where should i enter that comand
[03:47] <beralt> but I am very afraid some good ol' KDE stuff will become like FF: competely unintegrated on linux, main focus on win, etc.
[03:47] <Jucato> beralt: not really
[03:48] <Tm_T> beralt: Can't happen.
[03:48] <jel> dg6e74: open kate from the KMenu's Utilities folder
[03:48] <vge> KDE4 is "windows compatible"?
[03:48] <Dr_willis> vge,  supposubly thats a goal.
[03:48] <jel> vge: yes, and mac
[03:48] <dude_> jucato: what other distro did you use before?
[03:48] <Jucato> Dr_willis: it's not a goal
[03:48] <Dr_willis> its a work in progress at this time. :)
[03:48] <Jucato> it's a side effect of using Qt4
[03:48] <beralt> I mean, FF really sux for linux integration. Its a good app and all that, but their weird sense of "user maangement", their private upgrade/security system and an unintegrated widget set.
[03:48] <Jucato> dude_: none :P
[03:48] <Dr_willis> 'useable' vs 'compatiable' :)
[03:48] <vge> icic, donno if it's good or bad
[03:49] <beralt> Tm_T: why not?
[03:49] <Dr_willis> i will be impressed if it works well.
[03:49] <ehird> I don't like firefox for that reason
[03:49] <jel> beralt: agreed :)
[03:49] <ehird> it doesn't fit in
[03:49] <Nickste> I am installing edgy (clean install). I had dapper dualbooted with XP. I have just deleted the dapper partition, and made an edgy one. Will the edgy dual boot loader overwrite the dapper one?
[03:49] <Jucato> Dr_willis: compatibility isn't a goal at all
[03:49] <ketsugi> Doesn't KDE have its own calculator program that's not speedcrunch?
[03:49] <ehird> same reason i don't use gnome apps on KDE :)
[03:49] <MidMark> kubuntu-desktop is part of the cd?
[03:49] <dude_> jucato: can i paste our website here?
[03:49] <jel> ketsugi: kcalc
[03:49] <Jucato> MidMark: which CD?
[03:49] <vge> kcalc powns
[03:49] <beralt> Jucato: there is a difference between kde apps ported to win. and cross compiled QT apps. That is the main thing.
[03:49] <Jucato> dude_: for?
[03:49] <Tm_T> beralt: KDE has so much stuff specialized to Linux + 99 % of developers are pro-linux I bet
[03:49] <MidMark> desktop cd
[03:49] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  compatiable in the use of the term "works for'
[03:49] <ketsugi> I don't have that, which means it didn't come with the default Kubuntu install
[03:49] <ketsugi> odd
[03:50] <dude_> jucato: actually its a world wide contest
[03:50] <Zograf> people  cgwd-themes ??? Dowunload????????  (sorry no speake ing).......
[03:50] <Jucato> Dr_willis: not even. the don't have "make KDE 4 also work for windows" in mind.
[03:50] <beralt> Tm_T: yes. But I am talking about more niche stuff. Like ERD suits, etc.
[03:50] <ehird> Dowunload? :O
[03:50] <ehird> :P
[03:50] <Zograf> =)
[03:50] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  it seems to be a major point everyone is talking about.. so SOMEONE is making a big deal about it.
[03:50] <dg6e74> would anyone know how to stop runing a ut2004 dedicated server
[03:50] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  of course we will have to wait and see what actually happens.
[03:50] <Zograf> repazit?
[03:50] <MidMark> kubuntu-desktop is part of desktop cd?
[03:51] <Tm_T> beralt: Well, especially "nice" stuff is hard to move from Linux to Windows. =)
[03:51] <Jucato> Dr_willis: what "everyone" is talking about is not always what the devs are talking about
[03:51] <beralt> those will most prolly get coded in QT, which technically makes them ready for linux. But we all know what crap skype pooped out :)
[03:51] <dude_> jucato: ?
[03:51] <jel> ketsugi: you can also do alt-f2, and then type in a simple calculation (doesn't handle floating point though).  Also, alt-f2, followed by gg:2 * 2 followed by return
[03:51] <Jucato> Dr_willis: some of the devs don't even want to port their apps to KDE
[03:51] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  cant blame them there. :)
[03:51] <ketsugi> jel: oh yeah, I forgot I can do that with katapult too
[03:51] <Jucato> dude_: unless it's Kubuntu/KDE related, I don't think it's proper
[03:52] <jel> ketsugi: yeah, it's nicer in katapult, but generally, I hate katapult :)
[03:52] <dude_> jucato: ok...nevermind... :)
[03:52] <dude_> jucato: ok...nevermind... :
[03:52] <ketsugi> hehe
[03:52] <dude_> jucato: tnx...
[03:52] <ketsugi> Katapult could be so much more
[03:52] <dude_> jucato: tagay.... :)
[03:52] <Jucato> dude_: ok:)
[03:52] <beralt> jel: man. ive been working for nearly 6 years with KDE, and you just learned me somethign new: re: maths in apprunner :)
[03:52] <jel> beralt: kde is full of nice little surprises like that :)
[03:53] <dude_> jucato: redhorse under KDE : )
[03:53] <Jucato> dude_: lol
[03:53] <jel> beralt: in teaching, there's a principle called discovery learning... kde uses it a lot.
[03:53] <Nickste> woooaahhhh that is scary... installing edgy and the screen goes black after I click final install button! Came back on tho... *phew*
[03:53] <beralt> jel: yup. I've had this plan for a "KDE hidden gem a day" blog for ages, never got to it yet.
[03:54] <jel> beralt: it's amazing how many people don't realise that dcop exists yet :)
[03:54] <Jucato> ehird: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings#_Middle_Click_on_Tab_to_Close_in_Konqueror_KDE_3_4_
[03:54] <beralt> jel: ... which is very good. because everyone uses it daily. I think that is a sign of good architechure.
[03:54] <osh_> Is there a way to "force" a reinstall of some packages? "sudo aptitude force reinstall konqueror" or something similar. I can't see this page http://borat-movie.co.uk/ in konqueror. Just a blank page with sound so some part of flash is working.
[03:55] <vge> hmm, someone can tell me how to disable mousewheel over taskbar changing windows?
[03:55] <Jucato> jel: it's going to *not* exist soon...
[03:55] <dude_> jucato: sudo aptitude drink -R redhorse /drunk/hangover : )
[03:55] <jel> beralt: true :)  But I mean, it's great for scripting too :)
[03:55] <vge> *rolling mousewheel
[03:55] <ehird> Jucato: it's hidden? pff! :D
[03:55] <jel> Jucato: yep :)
[03:55] <jel> osh_: apt-get install --reinstall package
[03:55] <Jucato> ehird: yeah. so that you can have the pleasure of digging up for it :)
[03:56] <ketsugi> dude_: that didn't work!
[03:56] <beralt> jel: the only times when I use it, is when I am travelling. To turn on the music for my GF at home :)
[03:56] <osh_> jel: works with aptitude too?
[03:56] <dude_> ha?
[03:56] <Nickste> Hey, It's halloween tonight :)
[03:56] <jel> osh_: don't know.  man aptitude.
[03:56] <jel> osh_: I'm pretty sure you can do it from aptitude's gui
[03:56] <jel> or tui :)
[03:56] <osh_> jel: Ah, apt-get works too. =)
[03:56] <jel> :)
[03:56] <Jucato> osh_: sudo aptitude reinstall <package>
[03:57] <beralt> Nickste: damn, I just shaved... no scaring little brats tonight then :)
[03:57] <Nickste> lol
[03:57] <osh_> Jucato: thankyou.
[03:57] <jel> damned aptitude.  Always making things simple :)
[03:57] <dude_> jucato: can i use my webcam in kopete?
[03:57] <beralt> jel: yea. if you use the right tools, working on a computer becomes boring :)
[03:57] <Jucato> dude_: I think so. not really sure how to set it up
[03:58] <jel> beralt: yep :)
[03:58] <jel> beralt: which is when you find yourself reading way too many webpages per day :)
[03:58] <ehird> UM.
[03:58] <raul12> how to clear dns cache ??
[03:58] <ehird> Why are there only two folders in /?!?!?!
[03:58] <raul12>  :|
[03:58] <ehird> home and media
[03:58] <beralt> I mean: take a day on a windows machine: browsing pr0n sites all day to find some crack tool for app Foo. finding out why the F some registry entry keeps gettnig fsked etc.
[03:58] <Dr_willis> !hidden
[03:58] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[03:58] <beralt> now that is interesting computing.
[03:58] <ehird> Oh so now we're like mac os X.
[03:58] <ehird> Excellent..
[03:59] <Dr_willis> ehird,  check out the /.hidden file
[03:59] <ehird> I hope it's disableable. /me clicks
[03:59] <Nickste> raul: it's digg command or something
[03:59] <Jucato> osh_, jel: for reference "sudo apt-get install --reinstall <package>"  :P
[03:59] <sudharsh> dude_: i guess there will be this devices tab in 'configure kopete'..my roadside cam worked outside the box
[03:59] <raul12> any command ??
[03:59] <dude_> sudharsh: whats the brand of you webcam, mine doesnt work
[03:59] <raul12> ya its commmand but what command
[04:00] <ehird> can anybody tell me which ones used to be hidden before this? so I can delete all but them
[04:00] <raul12> to clear dns cache ?
[04:00] <sudharsh> dude_: some vimicro..zstar..thing..whats yours?
[04:00] <ehird> I don't want anything new in there apart frmo how it was
[04:00] <Jucato> !hidden | ehird
[04:00] <ubotu> ehird: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:00] <dude_> sudharsh: A4tech
[04:00] <ehird> Jucato: I know that.
[04:01] <Jucato> ehird: everything wasn't hidden before
[04:01] <beralt> man, I just realised that in two months time I'll be using KDE for 9 years already. Started off with the release of SuSE 6.0
[04:01] <osh_> !flash
[04:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:01] <jel> Jucato: is that just in kubuntu, not kde in general?
[04:01] <ehird> initrd.img and lib32 certainly were, i've never seen them before
[04:01] <raul12> het guys any help
[04:01] <raul12> here
[04:01] <Jucato> jel: only here. but there's talk...
[04:01] <raul12> i need command to clear dns cache / how to clear dns cache ?
[04:02] <jel> Jucato: ohh.  Hopefully they won't go down that path too far.  I appreciate the idea, but... :)
[04:02] <Jucato> jel: basic idea: media:/ kioslave needs work. they're just not agreeing on how to do it yet
[04:02] <ehird> so some files defineately were hidden
[04:02] <raul12> ding ding !!!! i need he lp :D
[04:03] <Jucato> ehird: actually all files except /home and /media
[04:03] <Nickste> raul, I don't know the command, but maybe u can explain what you are trying to do?
[04:03] <ehird> Jucato: no, i mean used to be hidden
[04:03] <xdemon> hi all
[04:03] <sudharsh> dude_: tried spca5xx..? http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html
[04:04] <ehird> i've never seen "lib32" and it's in .hidden therefore it must have been hidden
[04:04] <xdemon> i install beryl!
[04:04] <Nickste> hey xdemon
[04:04] <ehird> beforehand
[04:04] <N6REJ> Good morning everyone...  I'm trying to make a couple of decisions.  The first is Gnome VS KDE.  Yes I know this is likely to start a flame war, but my thoughts are this.. . I like how in Konqueror you can easily see how your website will look in other browsers.  But I understand that KDE really wants 1G of ram for its desktop.  I have that but that seems excessive to me.  I like the Gnome...
[04:04] <xdemon> its working!
[04:04] <N6REJ> ...package installer (synaptic?) better then KDE's.  I have'nt fairly evaluated eithers office suite so I can't comment there but that is something that would be important to me.  Then there is the hardware issue.  I have a Semperon 2800 64bit.  I'm thinking seriously of installing the 64bit Kubuntu.  BUT.... There are one or two business apps that are windows based that I would likely need...
[04:04] <N6REJ> ...to run and they are NOT 64bit.  I'd appreciate any thoughts on this.
[04:04] <raul12> well i want to clear dns cache becouse rapide share need to do
[04:04] <xdemon> !dashboard
[04:04] <raul12> for download purpose
[04:04] <Nickste> xdemon: aaahh sick ;) is it hard to install? I'm gonna do it just now
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dashboard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <ehird> N6REJ: what are you talking about and why is it important
[04:04] <sudharsh> N6REJ: my kde desktop is running happily with 256 megs...
[04:04] <dude_> sudharsh: xxxx its working heheheh
[04:04] <raul12>  :)
[04:04] <xdemon> only configuration
[04:05] <Nickste> what sort of configuration is needed?
[04:05] <N6REJ> sudharsh: 64bit or 32?
[04:05] <sudharsh> dude_: :)...thought so......mine is not even branded
[04:05] <Nickste> I'm a n00b, but beryl is the reason I installed edgy
[04:05] <sudharsh> N6REJ: 256 megs on an amd athlon xp 2000+
[04:05] <raul12> well my computer is not branded tooo
[04:05] <xdemon> nikste, what video card do you have?
[04:05] <raul12> i confg mysef
[04:05] <Nickste> ATI X600
[04:06] <raul12> it far better to config urself than buy branded
[04:06] <N6REJ> how well does wine run on 64bit Kde?
[04:06] <raul12> i have prb with wine
[04:06] <Nickste> xdemon: good/bad/ugly - ati?
[04:06] <raul12> its giving me resource error  :(
[04:06] <ehird> any help for my problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=289718 :(
[04:07] <N6REJ> raul12: I've never been able to get wine to work either.
[04:07] <Nickste> isn't wine for 32 bit only?
[04:07] <raul12> no
[04:07] <Nickste> oh cool
[04:07] <xdemon> nikste, i use NVIDIA
[04:07] <raul12> mine is 64 bit and 32 bit work fine under 64 bits enviroment
[04:07] <xdemon> !beryl_on_kde
[04:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl_on_kde - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:07] <raul12> if u created it
[04:07] <xdemon> !beryl_on_ati
[04:07] <dude_> sudharsh: just wondering, is there an indicator in kopete that one of your contacts is using his/her webcam
[04:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl_on_ati - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:07] <N6REJ> I thought wine was 32bit only.
[04:07] <Jucato> !beryl | xdemon
[04:07] <ubotu> xdemon: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[04:07] <Nickste> xdemon: beryl ok on 64bit?
[04:08] <maninder> how do i install bin files?
[04:08] <xdemon> no celeron 2 GHz
[04:08] <maninder> just copy and past them?
[04:08] <maninder> into media drive?
[04:08] <sudharsh> dude_: hmm..just a sec...i dont use kopete..will check and tell
[04:09] <raul12> what is ur prb @
[04:09] <raul12> ehird
[04:09] <ehird> raul12: i linked to a thread describing it
[04:09] <ehird> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=289718
[04:09] <xdemon> i think beryl working with ati without beta drivers
[04:10] <sudharsh> dude_: sorry man..none of my buddies are online..but there should be notifications regarding that
[04:10] <raul12> plz define it presciesly
[04:10] <dude_> sudharsh: can you add me?
[04:10] <sudharsh> dude_: sure
[04:10] <sudharsh> dude_: yahoo! ??
[04:10] <dude_> sudharsh: or can i add you
[04:10] <dude_> ya
[04:11] <maninder> how do i install software on linux?
[04:11] <Jucato> ehird: what's wrong with that picture?
[04:11] <sudharsh> dude_: tell me your nick
[04:11] <maninder> i cant just click and install?
[04:11] <raul12> no
[04:11] <raul12> u cant
[04:11] <dude_> sudharsh: daxs24
[04:11] <raul12> mani
[04:11] <raul12> u either go with adept
[04:11] <maninder> adept?
[04:11] <raul12> for grapical instal
[04:11] <raul12> package installer
[04:11] <raul12> 4 KDE
[04:12] <raul12> on manual installation
[04:12] <raul12> through console
[04:12] <ehird> raul12: dude, i can't describe it more precicely than what i said in the thread#
[04:12] <Jucato> maninder: https://help.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/add-applications.html
[04:13] <raul12> no u cant
[04:13] <jel> raul12: why does rapid share need you to modify your dns setup?  It should work in the standard way, and not rely on other stuff.  But if you have to get DNS from rapidshare itself, you could setup your resolv.conf to ask it's names, or resolve it once from them with nslookup or dig, and then use the ip
[04:13] <raul12> well i am myself confused about what prb u have in the 1st place
[04:13] <matt_qc_ca> good morning/afternoon/evening everyone :) i'm trying to install wacom-tools (following the Wacom entry in the Wiki) and it says it can't find the package. I'm on a fresh install
[04:14] <jel> matt_qc_ca: apt-cache search wacom
[04:14] <raul12> well i have to clear cache 4 avoiding the download slot in rapid
[04:14] <raul12> @jel
[04:14] <matt_qc_ca> i'll try that, thanks jel :)
[04:15] <nickste> Where is the best guide for installing beryl on kubuntu, ati, 64bit?
[04:15] <jel> raul12: oh, you want to hack around their download system?
[04:15] <jel> raul12: a simpler way would be to add an entry to /etc/hosts, maybe?
[04:15] <vge> where are mysql database files located in hd?
[04:15] <raul12> na
[04:15] <raul12> it wont do
[04:16] <raul12> i have to clear cache 4 that 1st
[04:16] <Jucato> ehird: looking at your post, I still can't understand what's wrong
[04:16] <maninder> i cant even stall flash
[04:16] <maninder> install
[04:16] <maninder> how messed up is that
[04:16] <raul12> well manidar
[04:16] <raul12> @ linux is not like windows
[04:16] <maninder> is it like this for every program?
[04:16] <raul12> so u cant install any thing by just clicking
[04:16] <raul12> ya
[04:17] <Dr_willis> I cant even power up windows.. without needing to download  huge amounts of updates.. :)
[04:17] <maninder> okay so gimmi step by step:S
[04:17] <jel> maninder: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[04:17] <ehird> Jucato: um, "Uses the purple colour scheme that I changed and only shows one package. 'Nuff said.". And the screenshot.. I don't get what's hard to understand
[04:17] <jel> maninder: then use synaptic instead of adept
[04:17] <maninder> synaptic:S
[04:17] <sudharsh> raul12: recent ubuntu versions install it by clicking it..although it throws up an instance of gdeb or something like that
[04:17] <maninder> im using kbuntu
[04:17] <Jucato> ehird: aah it's not a bug or an error
[04:17] <ehird> Jucato: it is a bug
[04:17] <ehird> adept only displays one package.
[04:17] <raul12> well no @ sud
[04:17] <ehird> that, is a bug.
[04:17] <maninder> were do i get this synaptic?
[04:18] <Jucato> ehird: the color I mean
[04:18] <jel> maninder: I know.  synaptic is the one exception that I use from gnome :)
[04:18] <ehird> Jucato: right, but it's still a Problem(TM)
[04:18] <raul12> better to install them bt pm or console
[04:18] <Dr_willis> maninder,  thats the joys of the apt-get system of pacakge management.. it will auto-download
[04:18] <sudharsh> maninder: synaptic is similar to adept..
[04:18] <jel> maninder: like I said, open a konsole (alt-f2, type konsole, press return) then do sudo apt-get install synaptic
[04:18] <raul12> well synapt or adept
[04:18] <maninder> so were do i get synaptic?
[04:18] <raul12> ur choice
[04:18] <maninder> in were?
[04:18] <maninder> in the cammand bar?
[04:18] <maninder> when i open the file?
[04:18] <Jucato> ehird: the color difference is not a problem. You are running Adept as root, and root uses/can use a different color/style.
[04:18] <ehird> maninder: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[04:19] <Dr_willis> maninder,  do the command from a shell/terminal window.  time tolearn some linux basics... it will auto download..
[04:19] <raul12> @ mani do u have installed kububtu new ????
[04:19] <ehird> Jucato: right, how would i fix that?
[04:19] <raul12> @mani new to linux ??
[04:19] <Dr_willis> or go to Kmenu --> system --> konsole
[04:19] <Jucato> ehird: launch system settings as root and change the style and colors to match your user's
[04:19] <jel> maninder: just press alt and f2 at the same time.  It'll bring up a box.  Type konsole, and press return.  Then type sudo apt-get install synaptic
[04:19] <maninder> okai typed in sudo apt-get install synaptic
[04:19] <raul12> @maninder go to ubuntu documents
[04:20] <ehird> Jucato: what's the name of the system settings app?
[04:20] <maninder> and i got a screen saying welcome
[04:20] <jel> ehird: kcontrol
[04:20] <Jucato> ehird: systemsettings
[04:20] <raul12> their u can find all things u needed
[04:20] <ehird> maninder: you shouldn't have
[04:20] <Jucato> jel: he asked for system settings :P
[04:20] <raul12> can any 1 tell me how to clear dns cache ???
[04:20] <maninder> oh it got updates
[04:20] <ehird> Dr_willis: hells yes
[04:20] <Jucato> Dr_willis: :P
[04:21] <jel> Dr_willis: yakuake is better :)
[04:21] <Dr_willis> :) i must be hardcore eh?
[04:21] <raul12> no
[04:21] <Jucato> yes you are
[04:21] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i identfy what driver used by my xorg?
[04:21] <Dr_willis> first thing i do is drag that icon tthee.. and remove the other icons.
[04:21] <Dr_willis> MetaMorfoziS,  could  use  'more /etc/X11/xorg.conf ' then search for the "Driver" lines
[04:21] <Dr_willis> or use grep :P
[04:22] <Dr_willis> grep /etc/X11/xorg.conf Driver
[04:22] <MetaMorfoziS> hmm that is via...
[04:22] <Dr_willis> doh im backwards
[04:22] <jel> MetaMorfoziS: kinfocenter?
[04:22] <Dr_willis> i ALWAYS get grep backwards
[04:23] <ehird> Dr_willis: i would have done it cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver because i'm a noob so don't feel bad :p
[04:23] <raul12> wait
[04:23] <raul12> @mani
[04:23] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[04:23] <MetaMorfoziS> thxall
[04:23] <Dr_willis> ehird,  then the bash experts yell at ya for usiong cat when not needed. :)
[04:23] <Dr_willis> ehird,  but thats how i normally do it also.
[04:23] <Dr_willis> lol
[04:23] <Dr_willis> Just dont ask me to make a ln -s link right the frst time
[04:24] <ehird> Dr_willis: hah
[04:24] <x-demon> !rpm
[04:24] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[04:24] <Dr_willis> grep pattern file
[04:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:24] <user_> could someone help me out with this issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=289631 ? (LOCALE ISSUES)
[04:24] <x-demon> !beryl
[04:24] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[04:24] <dg6e74> how can i kill a process i dont have access to
[04:24] <user_> could someone help me out with this issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=289631 ? (LOCALE ISSUES)
[04:25] <Dr_willis> dg6e74,  i think that would be called a security risk. :P
[04:25] <Dr_willis> dg6e74,  you dont have root/sudo access?
[04:25] <dg6e74> yes
[04:25] <jel> dg6e74: hhm??  I guess you mean that doesn't have a physical window or something?
[04:25] <ehird> http://www.bedope.com/stories/0082.html
[04:25] <Dr_willis> dg6e74,  claify exactly what you are trying to do..
[04:25] <dg6e74> yes no window
[04:25] <jel> dg6e74: pkill -9 appname
[04:26] <dg6e74> ty
[04:26] <x-demon> how i can use cyrrilic in kopete?
[04:26] <Dr_willis> your use of the phrase 'no access to'  :)  is not exactly correct. Heh -
[04:26] <raul12> @mani i have some prb on sharing
[04:26] <raul12> @mani go to forms at ubuntu and seaaarch their
[04:27] <maninder> oka
[04:27] <maninder> im gettin updates right now for that adapt thing
[04:27] <maninder> :S
[04:27] <raul12> :P
[04:27] <raul12> good
[04:28] <ehird> http://www.linuxsucks.org/ i wonder if this runs on linux...?
[04:29] <jel> ehird: yes, it does :)
[04:29] <x-demon> maybe it FreeBSD fans
[04:29] <The_Croup> any one knows any nice games for kubuntu
[04:29] <raul12> well BSD and linux both r good :D
[04:29] <The_Croup> ?
[04:29] <jel> ehird: linux, apache 1.3, php 4.3
[04:29] <nickste> why is my copy/past not working!?
[04:30] <ehird> jel: MWAHAHAHAHA
[04:30] <raul12> @nickste restart ur machine
[04:30] <nickste> really?
[04:30] <raul12> yea
[04:30] <nickste> grrrr
[04:30] <jel> nickste: no, wait
[04:30] <nickste> yeah
[04:30] <jel> you're running kubuntu, right?
[04:30] <nickste> yep
[04:30] <abattoir> !games | The_Croup
[04:30] <ubotu> The_Croup: Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[04:31] <Hawkwind> raul12: Don't tell people to reboot please. That's the Windows way of doing things and usually not necessary in Linux
[04:31] <jel> check if your system tray has "klipper".  It looks like a clipboard, but might be hidden (press the arrow).  If not, run it.
[04:31] <raul12> @ hawl wind
[04:31] <raul12> some time it nedd rebooot
[04:31] <abattoir> hi there, Hawkwind
[04:31] <raul12> need
[04:31] <nickste> yep, it's running
[04:31] <Hawkwind> raul12: No
[04:31] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Good morning
[04:31] <raul12> well if u get any kernal error
[04:32] <raul12> what u do
[04:32] <Hawkwind> raul12: There are many ways to get things working in Linux rather than rebooting.  That's a last effort type of thing
[04:32] <nickste> ahhhh. not it's working... just selected the text off the clipboard :) Thanks jel
[04:32] <Hawkwind> raul12: He hasn't installed a new kernel or new hardware, so rebooting isn't necessary
[04:32] <jel> nickste: welcome :)
[04:32] <raul12> kernal error cant be fixed with out rebooting
[04:32] <Hawkwind> nickste: You got it working without rebooting :)
[04:32] <nickste> yay!
[04:32] <Hawkwind> raul12: He's *not* getting a kernel error though
[04:32] <alexicon> so when i run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable after installing nvidia-glx it errors saying, Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[04:33] <alexicon> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this
[04:33] <alexicon> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following
[04:33] <alexicon> ...
[04:33] <raul12>  :p
[04:33] <The_Croup> what do you guys play?
[04:33] <jel> The_Croup: games-wise?
[04:33] <nickste> When I do: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf   it says gedit is not a command?
[04:33] <alexicon> the command tells me to update the md5sum, then the enable works
[04:33] <alexicon> but then x doesnt work...
[04:33] <ehird> http://www.spatula.net/proc/linux/index.src this page is bull
[04:33] <The_Croup> jel hheeheheheh yes
[04:33] <alexicon> nickste: use any text editor
[04:34] <alexicon> as root
[04:34] <nickste> can u name another?
[04:34] <nickste> kate?
[04:34] <Hawkwind> nickste: kwrite, kate
[04:34] <alexicon> nano, vim, kate
[04:34] <lotusleaf> The_Croup: #gametome #icculus.org
[04:34] <Hawkwind> nickste: vi, leafpad
[04:34] <nickste> ta
[04:34] <The_Croup> let me rephrase : what computer games do you guys usually paly
[04:34] <alexicon> kate is a good one
[04:34] <The_Croup> play
[04:34] <alexicon> i play wow :P
[04:34] <ehird> The_Croup: tux racer
[04:34] <alexicon> but glx isnt working right now..
[04:34] <lotusleaf> The_Croup: here's what I play:
[04:34] <alexicon> tetravex is good
[04:34] <lotusleaf> !crawl
[04:34] <ubotu> crawl: Dungeon Crawl, a text-based roguelike game. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.0.0beta26-8 (edgy), package size 622 kB, installed size 1532 kB
[04:34] <Hawkwind> nickste: If you don't have ubuntu-desktop installed then that's why you don't have gedit.  You can also install gedit seperately without having to install all of Gnome
[04:34] <ehird> lol, geeks
[04:34] <alexicon> and shinsen-sho :P
[04:35] <nickste> ah, right. I'm on kubuntu
[04:35] <ehird> well, I /want/ to play W:A under WINE but that isn't going to happen in any near year
[04:35] <alexicon> yea kubuntu
[04:35] <nickste> Can someone point me to a guide to installing ATI drivers?
[04:35] <ehird> we know, you're in #kubuntu :)
[04:35] <Hawkwind> !ati | nickste
[04:35] <ubotu> nickste: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:35] <nickste> ta
[04:36] <jel> The_Croup: personally, some "old" RPG/roguelike games, like zangband, and some stuff like unreal, or games like go (try qgo) but mostly roms for emulators, like visualboyadvance (vba)
[04:36] <BluesKaj> nope, kde 3.5.5 doesn't remember some system settings other than default ...so far in my experience at least :(
[04:37] <jel> What's that weirdly named open quake engine thing?
[04:37] <jel> :)
[04:37] <The_Croup> do you think there is anychance i could run day of defeat on ubuntu
[04:37] <jel> ohh, The_Croup: nexuiz is also good.
[04:37] <matt_qc_ca> jel: you told me to apt-cache search wacom earlier... what was the goal of this actually?
[04:38] <student> !libgraphviz-perl
[04:38] <ubotu> libgraphviz-perl: Perl interface to the GraphViz graphing tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.02-1 (edgy), package size 116 kB, installed size 356 kB
[04:38] <buz> i have installed from livecd but for some reason grub seems to be on the wrong drive
[04:38] <buz> how do i figure out the grub name of the proper drive on the livecd?
[04:38] <filosofem> :)
[04:38] <jel> The_Croup: also, uqm :)
[04:39] <Sharketor> has konqueror extensions like firefox?
[04:40] <jel> matt_qc_ca: to find what wacom packages are available.  wacom-tools is there for me.  Was that what you wanted?  I forget?
[04:40] <jel> Sharketor: yes, but not very many.  Mostly, it has options :)
[04:40] <ehird> Sharketor: yes
[04:40] <ehird> it supports netscape plugin
[04:40] <ehird> s
[04:40] <jel> Sharketor: and integration with the rest of KDE, which does other stuff like calendaring etc.
[04:41] <jel> Sharketor: or it can work as a plugin FOR other apps, rather than running the other apps inside it, so that apps can have browser functionality.
[04:41] <Sharketor> well, the only one I need is the gmauil extension. Has it?
[04:41] <alexicon> so all the nvidia-glx-conf enable does is change the driver to "nvidia"
[04:41] <jel> Sharketor: what does it do?
[04:42] <Sharketor> gmail
[04:42] <jel> gmail.com does gmail :)
[04:42] <jel> what does the gmail extension do?  I guess makes mail links go to gmail.com?
[04:42] <matt_qc_ca> jel: I want to install wacom-tools, apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-wacom wacom-tools says that xserver-xorg-input-wacom is already the newest version then I get E: Couldn't find package wacom-tools. Do I have to modify something in the repositories?
[04:43] <raul12> what is wacom tools ???
[04:43] <raul12>  :)
[04:43] <Sharketor> jel: it does auto login
[04:43] <raul12> any security tools ???
[04:43] <matt_qc_ca> raul12: wacom tools is for the Wacom tablet
[04:43] <raul12> oh
[04:43] <jel> matt_qc_ca: do you have the universe and multiverse repositories added?
[04:44] <dg6e74> is there anyway to view my system directory
[04:44] <jel> Sharketor: Hmm.  I've never needed that.  It stays logged in with konqueror for me.
[04:44] <raul12> type /root for root dir
[04:44] <raul12> type /home 4 home dir
[04:44] <TheGateKeeper> matt_qc_ca: I can see the packages in dapper
[04:45] <nickste> the "/" dir only show home and medi
[04:45] <Sharketor> jel: is there in kubuntu something like roboform in xp for the auto logins?????
[04:45] <nickste> *media
[04:45] <matt_qc_ca> jel: probably not.
[04:45] <raul12> yea
[04:45] <jel> Sharketor: if you just log in, it'll remember your passwords next time.
[04:45] <BluesKaj> scrnsvr, auto login in system settings in kcontrol don't work either , jel
[04:45] <ehird> nickste: !hidden
[04:45] <ehird> !hidden | nickste
[04:45] <ubotu> nickste: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:45] <jel> Sharketor: yes, that's built-in
[04:45] <nickste> oh right
[04:45] <nickste> thanks
[04:45] <ehird> yes, it's crap.
[04:45] <dg6e74> i need to see the contents of ./system and it says permission denied and im at root
[04:45] <raul12> buy u nedd root access to view some root files  :)
[04:45] <Hawkwind> !hidden | dg6e74
[04:45] <ubotu> dg6e74: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:45] <ehird> dg6e74: what's its permissions
[04:45] <raul12> but
[04:45] <raul12> need
[04:45] <ehird> Hawkwind: no, different problem
[04:45] <matt_qc_ca> TheGateKeeper: I'm on a morning-fresh Kubuntu Dapper install
[04:45] <jel> Sharketor: also, it's integrated with kwallet, so it's very secure
[04:46] <Hawkwind> ehird: I see that now with his last statement :P
[04:46] <nickste> dg6e74: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:46] <ehird> matt_qc_ca: hardly "fresh", you're a version behind
[04:46] <Hawkwind> nickste: No, different problem :-)
[04:46] <matt_qc_ca> ehird: by .fresh. i mean I just installed it :P
[04:46] <Sharketor> so I have to set "save password" in konqueror?
[04:46] <nickste> ah right :(
[04:47] <dg6e74> how do i open /.hidden to modifiy it
[04:47] <mth`MAW> vi .hidden
[04:47] <jel> BluesKaj: it's not supposed to work there; that would be insecure
[04:48] <ehird> mth`MAW: you should reply $(EDITOR) <file> in future to avoid flamewars :)
[04:48] <jel> Sharketor: yep
[04:48] <mth`MAW> :)
[04:48] <mth`MAW> k
[04:48] <BluesKaj> jel, it doesn't work after using admin mode as well
[04:48] <jel> Sharketor: in the dialog that pops up when you press the form button, not on the webpage; that's the website saving stuff and sending it over the web, which is bad.
[04:49] <jel> BluesKaj: it does, but not for long, it's not supposed to work for long.
[04:50] <jel> BluesKaj: because, again, that would be a security risk.  If you need an admin shell access for a long time (which I assume is what you mean), ask for an actual shell with sudo -s, and don't close it until you're done
[04:50] <jel> BluesKaj: but don't run anything in it that doesn't need to be done as admin
[04:50] <fdoving> dg6e74: kmenu -> run command 'kdesu kate /.hidden'
[04:52] <BluesKaj> why a shell , the gui system/settings  is there for a reason .,my point is that the settings should "hold" after being set in admin (root) mode
[04:52] <x-demon> !
[04:52] <x-demon> !openssh
[04:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about openssh - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:52] <nickste> what is the link for ATI install again?
[04:52] <x-demon> !opensshd
[04:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opensshd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:53] <BluesKaj> !ati
[04:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:53] <x-demon> how i can install openssh on kubuntu???
[04:53] <nickste> thanks
[04:53] <jel> BluesKaj: holding them for any real length of time is a security risk.  If it does that, it might as well not ask for a password at all, and just save it on disk.
[04:53] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: what happens if you remove everything in that file or delete it, it doesn't seem to exist in dapper?
[04:54] <jel> BluesKaj: if you really want to do that, you can add a password for root, and then just log in as root, from the kdm login screen.  But it's crazy.
[04:54] <BluesKaj> jel, how is a screensaver setting a security risk ?
[04:54] <TheGateKeeper>  /.hidden that is
[04:54] <matt_qc_ca> !adept
[04:54] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:54] <ehird> !hidden | TheGateKeeper
[04:54] <ubotu> TheGateKeeper: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:54] <ehird> TheGateKeeper: it's a new thing.
[04:54] <Sharketor> jel: I try, but there isn't a pop
[04:54] <ehird> you can just empty it
[04:54] <Sharketor> pop up
[04:55] <TheGateKeeper> ehird: ahhh thanx
[04:55] <BluesKaj> jel, I think we're at cross purposes here ... I wonder if we're even talking about the same thing
[04:55] <jel> BluesKaj: I'm not going to debate security 101 stuff with you.  Look up information security on wikipedia, or subscribe to some security websites if you really want to understand it.
[04:55] <Sharketor> I have completed the form and click on submit
[04:55] <Sharketor> how can I save my login account in konqueror?
[04:56] <fdoving> TheGateKeeper: /.hidden is a symlink. if you delete it you will be able to view everything in / as normal, until you upgrade kubuntu-default-settings. Then i'll be replaced. The real file is at /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/hidden-root editing /.hidden will equal to edit the file directly, and if you modify it the edit will be threated as a changed config, and your changes will be preserved over updates of kubuntu-default-settings
[04:56] <h_> !de
[04:56] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:56] <jel> Sharketor: it should ask if you want to save it.  Unless you've already been to the site and said that you never want to save it?
[04:56] <x-demon> how i can install openssh
[04:56] <dg6e74> ok so i  open this .hidden file and theres noting but a bunch of blue `
[04:56] <Sharketor> maybe it's so
[04:56] <Sharketor> now what can I do?
[04:57] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: thanx
[04:57] <fdoving> x-demon: install the 'ssh' package. (that will install openssh-client and openssh-server
[04:57] <x-demon> !sshd
[04:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sshd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:57] <fdoving> !info ssh
[04:57] <ubotu> ssh: Secure shell client and server (transitional package). In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.3p2-5ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 32 kB
[04:58] <x-demon> but... only client started... when i ssh xdemon@localhost it say there is no server
[04:58] <ubuntu> i've tryed to updata from dapper i've run "apt-get dist-upgrade" only a once but now my system don't start... how can i fix this?
[04:58] <x-demon> connection refused
[04:59] <fdoving> x-demon: try 'sudo invoke-rc.d ssh restart' from konsole.
[04:59] <sudharsh> ubuntu: system wont start or are you dropped onto a terminal without gui?
[04:59] <Sharketor> jel?
[04:59] <segfault_> ubuntu, upgrade instruction clearly state u must run dist-upgrade twice before reboot, the second installs upstart
[05:00] <segfault_> ubuntu, ur best bet is boot into single user mode if u can and complete the upgrade
[05:00] <matt_qc_ca> jel: heh... needed to install a few updates to get wacom tools... i'm on wireless and the installation process coudn't fetch the updates while installing...
[05:00] <TheGateKeeper> ok anyone done a successfull upgrade from dapper to edgy (not talking about a fresh install) ???
[05:00] <x-demon> invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/ssh not found.
[05:00] <fdoving> ubuntu, single user mode is the recovery option in the boot manager menu.
[05:01] <jel> Sharketor: I don't know how to reset it off the top of my hed; I'll look it up in a sec.
[05:01] <fdoving> x-demon: install 'openssh-server' then.
[05:01] <nickste> I've followed the instructions for the ATI driver, but when I do an fglrxinfo, I still get the mesa info. What can I do?
[05:01] <sudharsh> TheGateKeeper: me! me! me!
[05:01] <ubuntu> i was unable to do the second dist-upgrade because the screen saver started and i was looked out...
[05:02] <sudharsh> ubuntu: switch vts..<ctrl>+<alt>+<f1>
[05:02] <TheGateKeeper> sudharsh: you followed the recommend method & all was ok?
[05:02] <ubuntu> sudharsh: doesn-t work
[05:02] <matt_qc_ca> jel: thanks for the help :)
[05:02] <fdoving> TheGateKeeper: yes, i have. my instructions is at http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[05:03] <jel> matt_qc_ca: glad it's sorted.  enjoy :)
[05:03] <sudharsh> TheGateKeeper: i just replaced dapper with edgy in the sources.list and upgraded...i didnt screw my x
[05:03] <ubuntu> segfault_: but are you shure that in single user modo the system will boot_
[05:04] <ubuntu> segfault_: ?
[05:04] <segfault_> ubuntu, no im not but since ur system wont boot what can it hurt, u did not complete the upgrade
[05:05] <ubuntu> segfault_: i've also tryed in chroot with the live-dvd but atp-get don-t work
[05:05] <livingdaylight> someohow got a folder cdrom0 on my desktop. Question is how can i remove it? it won't just delete[already tried] 
[05:06] <jel> livingdaylight: it's not a folder; it's a device.
[05:07] <dg6e74> is it possible to copy a file to a foler i do not have access to i tried cp under root and the file does not show up
[05:07] <jel> livingdaylight: you can go into the preferences (either right-click on your desktop, or run from the kmenu; I forget which gets you there) and choose which devices are shown on the desktop
[05:07] <livingdaylight> jel: ok, how can i remove the device from desktop, please
[05:08] <jel> dg6e74: if you copy it there as root, and don't get errors, it'll be there.  BUT, you won't see it still, if you have no access at all.
[05:08] <dg6e74> i can see the root files now
[05:08] <dg6e74> and its not there
[05:08] <ubuntu> segfault_: i try in single user mode... see ya later
[05:08] <jel> dg6e74: ok, what commands are you trying?
[05:09] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: I saw that set of instructions, didn't realise they where yours :-)
[05:09] <MidMark> is it correct to update to edgy? -> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:09] <MidMark> why double dist-upgrade?
[05:09] <dg6e74> root@bla# cp ./cdkey ./system
[05:09] <TheGateKeeper> sudharsh: thanx for the info
[05:09] <jel> MidMark: I don't know, but it won't hurt
[05:09] <nickste> in my xorg.conf file, should I have two "Device" Sections?
[05:10] <jel> dg6e74: and there are no errors?
[05:10] <livingdaylight> anyone else got any ideas how i can get rid of the cdrom0 on my desktop? i don't know how i got it there, apart from the fact that i downloaded some files from a dvd earlier
[05:10] <dg6e74> no
[05:10] <jel> dg6e74: type pwd
[05:10] <sudharsh> MidMark: i think the second one installs upstart
[05:10] <dg6e74> ok...
[05:10] <jel> dg6e74: followed by return :)
[05:11] <MidMark> ok
[05:11] <dg6e74> it returned /home/paul
[05:11] <jel> dg6e74: and is /home/paul/system where you're looking for the files?
[05:11] <dg6e74> no
[05:11] <dg6e74> thats where i have the file i want to copy
[05:12] <macvek> livingdaylight: eject your cdrom, it should help
[05:12] <aweb> HI, i was haveing a problem with my garphics driver. I was told to re install and then not enalbe
[05:12] <jel> dg6e74: you want to copy ./system/cdkey to somwhere else?  where?
[05:13] <aweb> the driver, i tried to that and edit the xorg config but its saying no file / folder |
[05:13] <DaSkreech> ehird: Oh speaking about flame wars
[05:13] <dg6e74> i need to copy /home/paulcdkey to /system/
[05:13] <livingdaylight> macvek: got nothing in my cdrom, not for hours
[05:13] <livingdaylight> macvek: that's the annoying thing
[05:13] <ehird> what do i need to install to enable Ruby-QT?
[05:13] <ehird> (via apt-get)
[05:13] <sonic> Hi guys, just installed Edgy and my mouse and kb keep freezing until I plug them out an plug them back in again. Anyone know why this would happen?
[05:14] <jel> to a folder called system, at the root of your filesystem?  Not in /home/paul?
[05:14] <DaSkreech>  why is the crontab editor always nano?
[05:14] <dg6e74> thats where i need to put it
[05:14] <ehird> DaSkreech: because someone coded it that way
[05:14] <jel> DaSkreech: because nano is your default editor.
[05:14] <ubuntu_> have re-installed
[05:14] <DaSkreech> ehird: Nope It's just always nano
[05:15] <ubuntu_> need liknks to grub
[05:15] <jel> ehird: you can set EDITOR in /etc/environment, or in your .bashrc
[05:15] <aweb> i was told to type /etc/X11/xorg.conf to open to xconfig editior, am i ment to change the etc to something specfic to my system ?
[05:15] <jel> ehird: you can also change the editor symlink in /etc/alternatives, perhaps
[05:15] <dg6e74> http://www.dragonbe.be/index.php?module=unreal_tournament2004 thats what im doing
[05:16] <jel> aweb: you need to type editorname filename, so something like nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:16] <ubuntu_> HELP instelled XP and then kubuntu
[05:16] <davidenik> hi
[05:16] <davidenik> guys
[05:16] <jel> aweb: or sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you 're more comfortable with gui apps
[05:17] <ubuntu_> grub is now corrupt
[05:17] <livingdaylight> Guys! i'm worried: Can't see any of my /folders except /home and /media!!! where's the rest?
[05:17] <ehird> !hidden
[05:17] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[05:17] <ehird> !hidden | livingdaylight
[05:17] <ubotu> livingdaylight: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[05:17] <ehird> yes, it's stupid
[05:17] <jel> livingdaylight: they're still there, it just doesn't show them because that confuses some people
[05:17] <ehird> yes, it's rubbish
[05:17] <aweb> jel: i just tried that added kate witch it the text editor i have it just taid cant connect to x server
[05:17] <ehird> jel: those people shouldn't use linux!!
[05:17] <macvek> ubuntu_: run XP cdrom and then go to console and type fixmbr, it will make xp bootloader a default one
[05:18] <jel> ehird: those people should learn linux :)
[05:18] <davidenik> guys has anyone installed a webcam CREATIVE VISTA ?
[05:18] <jel> ehird: or not use computers of any description :)
[05:18] <x-demon> thx - ssh working
[05:18] <ehird> jel: exactly
[05:18] <livingdaylight> ehird: thx, for reassuring me. Really weird though
[05:19] <ehird> livingdaylight: echo "" > /.hidden
[05:19] <ehird> :)
[05:19] <dg6e74> is it possible to log in to kubuntu as root not a user
[05:20] <ehird> dg6e74: yes, but you don't want to
[05:20] <ehird> trust me
[05:20] <dg6e74> at this point whats the worst that could happen
[05:20] <jel> dg6e74: yep, but it's very silly.  That's one of the big  mistakes that windows made, and is finally correcting
[05:21] <jel> brb
[05:21] <ehird> dg6e74: you could mess up the interweb by effing up a command on root :-D
[05:21] <bthibault> hi
[05:21] <ehird> and i mean da whole interweb!!1
[05:22] <dg6e74> i cant log in to kubuntu as root i tried onec and it said i couldent log in as root
[05:22] <aweb> Iam trying to open my x config file but when i do i just get cannont connect to x server any ideas why ?
[05:22] <ehird> anybody know ruby-qt's package name?
[05:22] <klekkus> hi everyone. I just installed Kubuntu 6.10 edgy as my first distro (exept from windows:P) and i have a problem with sources.list file... Ive found out to get all the software i need i have to get a new sources.list file
[05:23] <ehird> klekkus: just uncomment universe lines
[05:23] <ehird> open terminal, type sudo $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:23] <ehird> look for "Universe" and "multiverse" lines, remove the "# " from them
[05:23] <ehird> save the file
[05:23] <klekkus> ehird: oops, ive allready deleted the original file
[05:23] <trappist> ehird: or sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list, which does the same thing
[05:23] <livingdaylight> Guys, in /media i got 4 blue folders/directories 'cdrom' ; 'cdrom1'; 'floppy'; 'floppy0' along side that now there is a grey! folder/directory called cdrom0 - dunno what it is or does, but it has shown up and is in view on my desktop - help, please!
[05:23] <ehird> then sudo apt-get - klekkus: you id-
[05:23] <ehird> You deleted sources.llist?
[05:23] <ehird> Nice one
[05:23] <klekkus> ehird: yap:P
[05:24] <ehird> klekkus: yeah, um, go back to window
[05:24] <ehird> s
[05:24] <nickste> !beryl_on_ati
[05:24] <aweb> Iam trying to open my x config file but when i do i just get cannont connect to x server any ideas why ?
[05:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl_on_ati - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:24] <klekkus> ehird: :P i tried to post a new ome
[05:24] <nickste> !beryl ati
[05:24] <davidenik> guys has anyone installed a webcam CREATIVE VISTA ?
[05:24] <Pensacola> is kmail better than thunderbird?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> aweb,  and how exactly are you trying to do this..
[05:24] <ehird> Pensacola: that's subjective
[05:24] <livingdaylight> !repos
[05:24] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:24] <ehird> it's native to kde, and thunderbird isn't though
[05:24] <Pensacola> ok
[05:24] <sudharsh> Pensacola: depends on whom you are asking..give both of them a shot
[05:25] <Pensacola> I've been using tb for some time now but I'm trying other stuff out :)
[05:25] <aweb> dr_willis, i typed kate /ect/x11/xorg.conf whilst in terminal
[05:25] <Sharketor> jel: well, nothing?
[05:26] <Dr_willis> aweb,  you need to use  'sudo whatever '
[05:26] <Dr_willis> !sudo
[05:26] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:26] <livingdaylight> klekkus: here: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy copyand paste the sources.list
[05:26] <bthibault> anybody know how to get .mov files to play in firefox? I dnloaded mozilla-player, but it didn't seem to help
[05:26] <ehird> i suggest using ubuntu-hr.org as a server, it's ALWAYS fast
[05:27] <klekkus> livingdaylight: thanks:D!
[05:27] <Pensacola> I think vlc might be able to play them
[05:27] <livingdaylight> klekkus: the ubuntuguide.org will stand you in good stead. Follow the guide but bear in mind you are in kubunut (kde) opposed to Ubuntu (gnome)
[05:27] <aweb> dr_willis, tryed that same message, i was told to edit the files to try and correct this problem http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=10552.0
[05:27] <ehird> Kubunut? Is that like someone who really loves Kubu?
[05:27] <ubuntu> segfault_: i'm unable to upgrade in single user mode...
[05:27] <livingdaylight> klekkus: so instead of sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list do kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:28] <bthibault> ok thanks, i'll try vlc
[05:28] <klekkus> livingdaylight: i tried to copy a mans sources file, but i got key error
[05:28] <bthibault> does it have browser support or do i have to dnload the files?
[05:28] <marksnuz> ne1 know is there are any configuration options for adept-notifier ??? like update frequency, automaticly d/l updates, stuff like that  ???
[05:28] <livingdaylight> klekkus: if you've already deleted that file fine - otherwise replace it anywaywith the whole bit the guide gives you
[05:28] <marksnuz> err adept-updater i guess ..
[05:28] <livingdaylight> klekkus: a mans sources file?
[05:28] <segfault_> ubuntu, what happened
[05:28] <dg6e74> how can i enable root login
[05:29] <ehird> which of these do i want?:
[05:29] <ehird> libqt0-ruby1.8 - Qt bindings for Ruby
[05:29] <ehird> libqt0-ruby1.8-qt4 - Qt4 bindings for Rub
[05:29] <livingdaylight> !paste
[05:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:29] <klekkus> livingdaylight: to sec, ill give you url
[05:29] <ehird> 3 lines is hardly flooding
[05:29] <klekkus> omg is it halloween today:O?
[05:29] <ehird> klekkus: ... yes...
[05:30] <ubuntu> segfault_: i've got this error from apt-get: "E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt
[05:30] <macvek> dg6e74: o KDM, just go to console, (alt+n?) and from shell log to root, and then type startx
[05:30] <ehird> ubuntu did you sudo apt-get?
[05:30] <ehird> macvek: why did you tell him that? ugh
[05:30] <macvek> why not ?
[05:30] <knight> Hi all
[05:30] <ehird> macvek: root = dangerous
[05:30] <Dr_willis> aweb,  you need to  edit the file as the root users.. using sudo, kdesu, or gnomes equilivent.. or just 'su -s' in a shell and use a console based editor like nano/pico/vi/fte/mcedit
[05:30] <ubuntu> segfault_: "E: the pachege list or status file could not be parsed or opend"
[05:30] <livingdaylight> klekkus: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29553/ this has what you need from teh ubuntuguide.org
[05:30] <knight> I am working on kiosk mode for kubuntu
[05:30] <ehird> Dr_willis: no! do sudo <editor>
[05:30] <ubuntu> segfault_: yes
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[05:31] <knight> anyone familiar with that
[05:31] <Dr_willis> ehird,  whatever. aparently sudo kwhatever isent working for him.
[05:31] <macvek> ehird: right, but if he wants to experiment with it it is up to him
[05:31] <knight> with kiosk admin tool
[05:31] <marksnuz> so nobody knows about options for adept updater ?
[05:31] <klekkus> livingdaylight: thnxz, ill trie that!:D
[05:31] <livingdaylight> klekkus: never mind what you did, just follow the instructions i give you and you should be fine
[05:31] <Dr_willis> knight,  ive seen several tutorals on it. :)
[05:31] <knight> ok dr willis
[05:31] <jel> Sharketor: there's probably an easy way (google for it if you need it; I don't have time; sorry) but  this way should work if you can do it: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-468376-highlight-konqueror+password.html
[05:31] <knight> where
[05:32] <livingdaylight> klekkus: remember after you replace /paste the new repository list save and exit and then do the wget line
[05:32] <Dr_willis> knight,  google, and linux mags.
[05:32] <knight> ok but this is the thing
[05:32] <klekkus> livingdaylight: okei, im doing it now, to sec and ill reply if all went good;D
[05:32] <knight> the one I am setting up
[05:32] <Dr_willis> knight,  i made a locked out guest user once with it.. wasent too hard. :) depends onm what you are doing i guess.
[05:32] <ehird> macvek: his reasons were bad
[05:32] <ehird> any ideas?
[05:33] <knight> oh ok
[05:33] <eilker> hi, at booting, i get this error   " cannot open font file ter-vf16" anyone knows the reason ?
[05:33] <macvek> ehird: maybe he will learn something, it is his pc
[05:33] <ehird> would it be qt4 or qt that i need?
[05:33] <ehird> i'm not sure what KDE 3.5.5 uses :/
[05:33] <jel> ehird: qt3 (a.k.a qt)
[05:33] <Sharketor> jel: ok, I'll try
[05:34] <Sharketor> thanks
[05:34] <ehird> jel: thanks
[05:34] <jel> ehird: qt4 is the new fancy one with all sorts of anti-aliased opengl-accelerated stuff, which kde4 will use
[05:34] <jel> Sharketor: np :)
[05:34] <jel> ehird: welcome :)
[05:34] <vge> what is a good GUI program to develop linux apps?
[05:34] <segfault_> ubuntu, are all of ur drivers mounted?
[05:34] <ehird> jel: right, so i should use qt3 if i'm writing a music player in ruby
[05:34] <ehird> :P
[05:34] <segfault_> ubuntu, drivers=drives
[05:35] <livingdaylight> klekkus: be sure after you've pasted the new repositories into your sources.list file that you've saved.
[05:35] <ehird> vge: kdevelop
[05:35] <BluesKaj> my boot mgr list consists of 6 different kubuntu kernels and I'm only using the latest one...is there a way to delete the others ?
[05:35] <ehird> =p
[05:35] <livingdaylight> klekkus: then in terminal paste wget http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/12B83718.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[05:35] <ubuntu> segfault_: yes
[05:35] <klekkus> livingdaylight: yes, i will
[05:35] <klekkus> livingdaylight: done;):D:D
[05:35] <livingdaylight> klekkus: then do sudo apt-get update
[05:35] <eilker> Dr_willis: hi, at booting, i get this error   " cannot open font file ter-vf16" do u know  the reason ?
[05:35] <segfault_> ubuntu, u get root when tyoe whoami?
[05:35] <TheGateKeeper> vge: Anjuta, KDevelop ???
[05:35] <akrus> hello everyone
[05:35] <livingdaylight> klekkus: alldone? :p
[05:35] <Dr_willis> eilker,  sounds like a console font to me. you are seeing this when exactly?
[05:35] <akrus> wanna ask one thing :)
[05:36] <jel> ehird: if there is a ruby package that uses qt4, and you don't need kde-specific stuff, then... no, I would start developing for qt4, since it's better, and will be mainstream soon enough :)
[05:36] <akrus> I wanna create a mirror for Kubuntu ISOs
[05:36] <klekkus> livingdaylight: yes, thankyou, it all went good:D
[05:36] <akrus> should I ask to add the links someone?
[05:36] <ubuntu> segfault_: i don't have tried... i should reboot for try this...
[05:36] <klekkus> livingdaylight: lifesaver. i tought i never was supposed to get to trie out ubuntu with kde:)
[05:36] <livingdaylight> klekkus: hehe... now you're set. You should have 20,000+ packages ready to be installed at the click of a button
[05:36] <eilker> Dr_willis: when booting at black screen before the kde is opened
[05:36] <Pensacola> is there any way to setup the special keys on my logitech keyboard, they are working out of the box from edgy but I'd like some of them to do something different
[05:37] <jel> eilker: try sudo apt-get install console-data
[05:37] <ubuntu> segfault_: is possible to do this upgrade in chroot?
[05:37] <ehird> jel: not use if kdevelop supports qt4
[05:37] <ehird> i'll use qt3.
[05:37] <livingdaylight> klekkus: so, you're familiar with Ubuntu already?
[05:37] <klekkus> We have it on my job..
[05:37] <livingdaylight> !pm
[05:37] <ubotu> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.
[05:37] <jel> eilker: and if not, try dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[05:37] <Dr_willis> eilker,  thats a console font setting then.. odd that its got an error.. the system fails to boot because of this? or just spits out a warning?
[05:37] <segfault_> ubuntu, try that bootinto single user mode, type mount and make sure everything is mounted and make sure u r root
[05:37] <segfault_> ubuntu, i think so but im not sure
[05:37] <BluesKaj> !GRUB
[05:37] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:37] <livingdaylight> klekkus: ok, so you know the package manager - APT and its gui frontend Synaptic?
[05:37] <ehird> also why is it that kde seems to use my higher resolution to antialias the fonts nicely and not give me more space :/
[05:37] <livingdaylight> !package manager
[05:37] <klekkus> livingdaylight: yes, a little bit.
[05:38] <eilker> Dr_willis: sir, just warning
[05:38] <livingdaylight> !Adept
[05:38] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[05:38] <ubuntu> segfault_: ok i try
[05:38] <eilker> jel: i am doing what u said, thanx
[05:38] <jel> np :)
[05:38] <klekkus> livingdaylight: well, thanks for all help livingdaylight. i have to go:)
[05:38] <livingdaylight> klekkus: well, in Kubuntu they have a differen't gui frontend its called Adept. Check Applications/System
[05:38] <livingdaylight> klekkus: ok, nevermind :)
[05:39] <klekkus> livingdaylight: i will check out, soon
[05:39] <livingdaylight> Guys, in /media i got 4 blue folders/directories 'cdrom' ; 'cdrom1'; 'floppy'; 'floppy0' along side that now there is a grey! folder/directory called cdrom0 - dunno what it is or does, but it has shown up and is in view on my
[05:39] <livingdaylight> desktop, please help?
[05:40] <Dr_willis> eilker,  then dont worry about it. :)  heh heh..
[05:40] <Sharketor> jel: all ok, I have solved the problem
[05:40] <Sharketor> thanks again
[05:40] <Sharketor> :)
[05:40] <jel> Sharketor: cool.  Glad it worked out for you :)
[05:40] <Dr_willis> eilker,  some how the console font is trying to set to some font file you dont have.. which is odd..   its then using the default i am guessing
[05:41] <eilker> Dr_willis: : in fact, it makes no sense, i just wondered reason:)
[05:41] <jel> livingdaylight: cdrom 0 is the first cdrom drive, also known as just "cdrom".
[05:41] <Sharketor> another question: is it secure store passwords in kwallet????
[05:41] <livingdaylight> Can someone not tell me why i have cdrom, cdrom1 and cdrom0?
[05:41] <livingdaylight> jel: ok, so why three?
[05:41] <jel> livingdaylight: if it shows on your desktop, it's because there's a CD in that drive, probably.
[05:41] <jel> livingdaylight: and cdrom1 is your cdwriter, or dvd drive, I'd guess.
[05:42] <livingdaylight> jel: dude, i keep telling people that it is empty nor is it called cdrom0
[05:42] <Dr_willis> livingdaylight,  do a   ' ls -l /media  '    most of those are links to each other.. oddly.
[05:42] <Dr_willis> i never have seen the reason for all the links.
[05:42] <livingdaylight> jel: i have dvd and cdrom but that is it
[05:42] <klekkus> livingdaylight: hi again. you dont know about a howto getting madwifi to work
[05:42] <Dr_willis> livingdaylight,  you have 2 actual cd devices?
[05:42] <jel> livingdaylight: yep, so that's normal.
[05:43] <chx> hi. i am tyring to download the kubuntu DVD torrent and it's extremely slow (i tried other torrents and they are normal speed so the error is not on my end). I know it depends on peers but there are tons of peers seemingly. What could be wrong?
[05:43] <klekkus> i have a atheros ar5005g wireless card, wich doesnt seem to be supported by default in kubuntu 6.10 edgy
[05:43] <Sharketor> is it secure storing passwords in kwallet????
[05:43] <chx> Sharketor: define secure
[05:43] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis: i have cdrom and dvdrom devices http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29554/
[05:43] <nickste> how do I check if XGL is installed?
[05:44] <jel> Sharketor: as long as you use a good password, it should be reasonably good, yes.
[05:44] <jel> nickste: glxinfo
[05:45] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis: i've given you the output on ls -l /media http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29554/ maybe you can diagnose the problem from there, :D
[05:45] <jel> nickste: specifically, look for the Direct rendering: line near the top, or glxinfo | grep Direct
[05:45] <macvek> livingdaylight: try 'sudo umount /media/cdrom0'
[05:45] <macvek> maybe he think it is still mounted ...
[05:46] <livingdaylight> jel: i did what Dr_willis suggested http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29554/
[05:46] <nickste> direct rendering is on
[05:46] <livingdaylight> macvek: says cdrom0 not mounted
[05:46] <macconline> hi... the package kdelibs-bin have status: installed, request: uninstalling.... why?
[05:46] <jel> livingdaylight: that's entirely normal
[05:47] <livingdaylight> jel: no it isn't
[05:47] <livingdaylight> not even partially normal
[05:47] <macvek> livingdaylight: maybe other way, put cd to cdrom, and then eject it :P
[05:47] <Jucato> macconline: what are you trying to do?
[05:47] <jel> livingdaylight: why not?  If therl e's something wrong, you'll have to explain it.
[05:47] <macconline> jucato, hi... update at kde 3.5.5 per Adept update
[05:48] <jeroenvrp> all: must I take extra actions to upgrade breezy to edgy!?
[05:48] <TheGateKeeper> hiya Jucato, someone told me google notebook works with firefox 2
[05:48] <Jucato> macconline: from what version of KDE?
[05:48] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: ah maybe now they do :)
[05:48] <klekkus> Hi again everyone. I now seem to have another problem, this time with me wlan. I have a atheros ar5005g wireless card on my notebook witch doesnt seem to work native with ubuntu (kubuntu). Anyone have experience with atheros ar5005g card or similar card on ubuntu (maybe a howto) ? thanks for reply
[05:48] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: but I wasn't absolutely sure anyway
[05:48] <macvek> livingdaylight: your ls -l /media output is almost same as mine, problem isn't here
[05:48] <livingdaylight> jel: coz, i didn't have cdrom0 on my desktop when i installed edgy fresh. It's happened today, and i don't know how or how to undo it
[05:48] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: np :-)
[05:49] <macconline> 3.5.2
[05:49] <jel> livingdaylight: I told you.  It detects when you put in CDs, and adds an icon on your desktop.  That's common on many computers, just not windows.
[05:49] <macconline> Jucato: 3.5.2
[05:49] <livingdaylight> macvek: That did it!
[05:49] <macvek> ? puting and removeing ?
[05:49] <Jucato> macconline: ah then that's normal. kdelibs-bin will be replaced by kdelibs4c2a
[05:49] <Dr_willis> KDE has a feature to show 'mounted' cds/device  ... or unmounted devices works for hd's nfs/samba/ and all other kinds of devices also.
[05:50] <jel> livingdaylight: I also told you, if you go to the preferences, you can select which devices appear on your desktop
[05:50] <livingdaylight> jel: yes, but what is not normal is if when ejecting the cd afterwards the folder cdrom0 remains on the desktop
[05:50] <jel> livingdaylight: you're supposed to right-click, and unmount the device before removing it.
[05:50] <livingdaylight> macvek: yes, i put in a cd again and removed it and the cdrom0 disappeared
[05:50] <macconline> jucato: ok, so update with confidence??
[05:50] <livingdaylight> jel: so, what is 'Eject' for?
[05:51] <macvek> lol :]  the easiest way :P
[05:51] <Dr_willis> livingdaylight,  eject can umount and 'open' the cd tray
[05:51] <macvek> it tells linux to umount it before ejecting
[05:51] <Jucato> macconline: you are using Adept right? as long as you clicked "Full Upgrade" go ahead
[05:51] <jel> livingdaylight: windows' bad design :)
[05:51] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis: i assumed likewise, but jel is effectively implying it is my fault because i removed the cd wrong by not 'unmounting' it
[05:52] <macvek> brb
[05:52] <Dr_willis> livingdaylight,  you shouldent be able to hit the 'button' and remove the cd. when somthing is accessing it. (that is to say, while its still mounted)
[05:52] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis: all i did in teh first place was to eject
[05:52] <macconline> jucato: Full Upgrade: update a kubuntu 6.10???
[05:52] <Dr_willis> then again - i really dislike the whole 'auto-mounting  fetish' people just have to have these days. :P
[05:52] <macconline> jucato: or only kde 3.5.5
[05:52] <Jucato> hm.. did you change the "dapper" words to "edgy" in your repositories?
[05:53] <macconline> nop
[05:53] <macconline> jucato: nop. dapper in repositories
[05:53] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis: i see, so maybe after i copied the backup files to my /home folder and then did something with one of the folders with audacity ; removeing the dvd then was not good
[05:53] <Jucato> macconline: ah, then only KDE gets upgraded
[05:53] <macconline> Jucato: thanks....
[05:54] <livingdaylight> by the way anyone here familiar with Audacity?
[05:54] <david__> Hello every body !!
[05:55] <livingdaylight> Dragozor: you're back...
[05:55] <aweb> dr_willis, i used the nano editor to open the xorg.conf file but when i opened it was empty for some reason
[05:55] <livingdaylight> so, no one's used Audacity to convert mp3's to OGG, hrmmm....
[05:55] <Dragozor> What ? I am french and i skeak not en lot of in english
[05:56] <livingdaylight> Dragozor: lol, you've come to do some trolling?
[05:56] <Dr_willis> aweb,  Hmmm.. i would guess a typo on your part..    check ' cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf ' that should show the file if so.. then ' nano  /etc/X11/xorg.conf  '   should edit it
[05:56] <Dragozor> Linigdaylight, yes i come to do some trolling.
[05:57] <Dr_willis> aweb,  you did give the proper/full path to the file? :P just nano xorg.conf looks in the current dir.
[05:57] <livingdaylight> Dragozor: good luck! :p Is misspelling words on purpose your fun?
[05:58] <livingdaylight> Dragozor: zounding like eh Frensch-man ...oui?
[05:58] <Dragozor>  :?
[05:59] <Dragozor> You speak frech livingdaylight ?
[05:59] <Dragozor> lol
[05:59] <livingdaylight> Dragozor: eh, yes, ah speek eh leetehl..oui :)
[05:59] <akrus> hehe
[05:59] <joakim> hi how do u get Logitech MX5000 work in kubuntu edgy ?
[06:00] <akrus> one more kubuntu mirror :)
[06:00] <akrus> http://kubuntu.flygames.net/ :D
[06:00] <jel> livingdaylight: you choose the eject option in the menu?  Or pressed the eject button on the front?  The latter would be bad, the other is fine.
[06:00] <jel> joakim: what is it?
[06:00] <aweb> dr_willis, yea i wrote the full path
[06:01] <livingdaylight> jel: i generally press eject from teh menu, but this is going a few hours back, so it is possible that i did it from the 'front' as you say
[06:01] <joakim> Logitech MX500 is a keybord and mus
[06:01] <livingdaylight> jel: i'll be sure to be certain next time to do it from teh menu anyhow, thx again :D
[06:01] <joakim> it dont work in edgy but in dapper it s work
[06:01] <aweb> dr_willis, tried it with cat and siad no file / directory :S
[06:02] <livingdaylight> joakim: shame...how about the mx3000 does that work?
[06:02] <livingdaylight> Dragozor: ping
[06:02] <macvek> Does Edgy have X11R7 or X11R6 ?
[06:03] <jel> livingdaylight: ok.  If you do choose the eject menu option, and remove the cd, it should disappear.  However, there might be some small issues with konqueror keeping track of it too long.  If so, file a bug report, and someone will fix it I guess.
[06:03] <joakim> is this kaybord
[06:03] <joakim> http://www.gadgetreview.com/uploaded_images/8010-780759.jpg
[06:03] <joakim> thats do not work i edgy
[06:04] <livingdaylight> joakim: das ist die 3000 oder die 5000 logitech mx?
[06:04] <joakim> 5000
[06:05] <nickv111> How can one go about doing an Edgy Kubuntu PXE netboot install?
[06:07] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:07] <Pensacola> can kmail be used for news servers?
[06:07] <joakim> ok ii got a how to nwo https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup?highlight=%28bluetooth%29
[06:08] <joakim> good nyw
[06:08] <joakim> bye
[06:08] <joakim> see yaa
[06:08] <nickv111> Wait, what do HP computers use to do a network boot?
[06:09] <nickv111> Netboot, or PXE?
[06:09] <nickv111> I want to use whichever the HP computers
[06:09] <nickv111> use.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> hmm i thought those were the same... guess i havent messed with them much
[06:13] <ut2004> can someone please explain to me why i cant login to kubuntu as root and if it is possible how to do it
[06:13] <danic84> hi guys
[06:13] <danic84> i have a problem
[06:14] <ketsugi> ut2004: Ubuntu does not allow any root access at all
[06:14] <ketsugi> login to your regular account
[06:14] <danic84> i try to umount my ipod
[06:14] <ketsugi> if you need to do something that requires root, use sudo instead
[06:14] <danic84> but it says:umount: /mnt/ipod: device is busy
[06:15] <danic84> what can i do?
[06:15] <ut2004> i need to create the directory ./system
[06:15] <danic84> help me please
[06:16] <ut2004> how can i do that
[06:16] <sorush20> I keep getting the message that sudoer retured with and and error message how do I fix this?
[06:17] <macvek> ut2004: sudo mkdir system
[06:17] <teapot> hello I have just connected here
[06:18] <ut2004> i do that and get mkdir: cannot create directory `system': File exists
[06:18] <macvek> danic84: make sure no apps are using you ipod, then type cd / to go out of ipod directory
[06:18] <ut2004> how do i view the contents of the the directory ./system if it already exists
[06:18] <klekkus> hi everyone. Im sitting on my laptop witch ive just installed kubuntu on and my wireless card didnt work out of the box so i followed a madwifi guide to get my atheros ar5005g card working. I got as far as i had to, I ve managed to modprobe ath_pci but still my ath0 card wont be listed
[06:19] <macvek> ls ./system
[06:19] <klekkus> when i do ifconfig ath0 it prints "no such device"
[06:19] <sorush20> klekkus: do you have the firmware for it installed?
[06:19] <klekkus> anyone knows what more to do, as ive said, ive modprobed ath_pci but still.. need to get my wireless card working
[06:19] <jel> klekkus: did you mean *e*th0 ?
[06:19] <klekkus> sorush20: firmware?
[06:19] <ut2004> ok how do i create a file there
[06:20] <klekkus> klekkus: no, i mean _ATH0_ :P
[06:20] <chx> what should I RTFM if I want to install Kubuntu over the Internet :) ?
[06:20] <jel> klekkus: yeah, I thought you might.  Just came back, and hadn't read your earlier message :)
[06:20] <danic84> i used gtkpod
[06:20] <chx> I mean, boot something minimal and then download on demand
[06:20] <ubuntu_> i am busty box error
[06:20] <jel> chx: "Beginner's guide to downloading iso images"? ;)
[06:20] <danic84> but i quit it
[06:20] <macvek> ut2004: type sudo chown yournick ./system and then give yourself r/w permission
[06:21] <chx> jel: "attaching cd drives to ultra-subnotebooks"?
[06:21] <klekkus> jel: :P well, anyone have any ideas? as ive said to new pplz i have modprobed the ath_pci module, is it something else i need to do for the ath0 device (wireless card)
[06:21] <jel> chx: there may be a netinstall (or "netinst") cd image available, which provides the basics, and downloads the rest
[06:21] <chx> netinst
[06:22] <sorush20> klekkus: so after modprobe the card is not in iwconfig
[06:22] <macvek> klekkus: maybe you have to add these modules to /init.d/modules or somewhere where they will be probed after reboot and the reboot your pc
[06:22] <jel> chx: then you don't want an internet install, you want a network boot "PXE" install.  There is a disk image for that, I think.  Requires another computer to serve the data, afaik.
[06:22] <klekkus> macvek: did that twice
[06:22] <macvek> :P
[06:22] <ubuntu_>  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386 root=UUID=bd56fa23-64da-464c-aa76-eedd651b69c4 ro quiet splaSh
[06:22] <ut2004> so i type this as root: chown paul ./system
[06:23] <chx> jel: mmm does not sound too good. netinst would work with an usb device. but seems a Debian only option.
[06:23] <sorush20> here is my error http://pastebin.co.uk/4920
[06:24] <jel> chx: my advice then, is to install a BASE debian system, and upgrade from there.
[06:24] <macvek> and then 'chmod +rw ./system' without sudo, and you should have permission to write and read from it
[06:24] <chx> jel: upgrade from Debian to Ubuntu? Holy cow!
[06:25] <ut2004> how do i get out of ">"
[06:25] <macvek> yhm ?
[06:25] <chx> jel: install Debian, change sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[06:25] <sorush20> suddenly i can't do sudo anymore any help peopele.. I'm still part of admin in the secondary users..
[06:25] <danic84> macvek:i quited gtkpod and i tried again but don't work
[06:26] <jel> chx: ie, use the debian netinstall, but when it asks about using task select or adding packages, say no to it all, leaving you with just a console (no kde or gnome), and a few basic utils.  edit /etc/apt/sources.list to use ubuntu's settings, and then apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade.  Then, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop upstart usplash.   Shouldn't be too hard.
[06:26] <carlos_> hi, i need help
[06:26] <sorush20> klekkus: did you get things working?
[06:26] <sorush20> carlos_:
[06:26] <sorush20> what di you need help with?
[06:26] <jel> chx: if it's your only system, make sure you write down the necessary ubuntu sources.list exactly beforehand though :)
[06:27] <klekkus> sorush20: all seems to be working except it wont recognize my card, its not listed in iwlist and ifconfig is printing "no such device"
[06:27] <carlos_> i just installed ati driver from ati webpage and he asked me to save my xwindow config file and run aticonfig
[06:27] <macvek> danic84: but you are not in konsole in the dir mounted to ipod ?
[06:27] <sorush20> klekkus: what about iwconfig
[06:27] <danic84> no
[06:27] <carlos_> i just installed kubuntu
[06:27] <ut2004> if i do cd ./system it says it does not exist
[06:27] <chx> jel: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ what one can find :)
[06:28] <ut2004> if i do ./system it says permision denied
[06:28] <DaSkreech> ehird: What's Kubu ?
[06:28] <chx> jel: are you in a position to get this linked from somewhere.... how to say...? more accessible?
[06:28] <klekkus> sorush20: iwconfig prints no card
[06:28] <macvek> ut2004: what do you exacly want to do with the system directory ?
[06:28] <klekkus> or, it prints no ath0 card:S
[06:28] <ut2004> add a file
[06:29] <macvek> ut2004: just type 'cd system'
[06:29] <jel> chx: I'm not a debian or ubuntu dev, if that's what you're asking.  What would "more accessible" be?
[06:29] <carlos_> what am i supossed to do
[06:29] <ut2004> bash: cd: system: Not a directory
[06:29] <sorush20> klekkus: do lsmod and see if the relavant module for your card is shown there and loaded.. / ? do you know what module it is?
[06:29] <macvek> ut2004: can you send my on pm, the ls -l output ?
[06:30] <sorush20> ho do I add myself back to the sudo users again I keep getting this error http://pastebin.co.uk/4920
[06:30] <chx> jel: a link from http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu/download?action=show&redirect=download or one of its childs
[06:30] <klekkus> sorush20: ive allready done that, and yes, ath_pci is loaded
[06:30] <sorush20> what how to did you look at ?
[06:30] <chx> jel: http://ftp.cw.net/pub/linux/ftp.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/ best from here
[06:30] <carlos_> sorush20: do you know what i have to do?
[06:31] <sorush20> carlos_: I missed what you asked
[06:31] <jel> chx: oh, it's not in the standard ubuntu mirrors, and you think it should be?  Can't help, sorry.
[06:31] <carlos_> i installed ati driver an it asked me to run aticonfig
[06:32] <sorush20> !ati
[06:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:32] <carlos_> thx
[06:32] <jel> chx: http://www.bigmaninjapan.com/2005/10/16/install-ubuntu-510-breezy-from-a-flash-disk/   ?
[06:32] <chx> jel: much rather http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=272588
[06:32] <sorush20> carlos_: are you sure your card is supposed to be used with that driver...  only the really new cards use the ati binary driver.. but the older ones like mine use the ubuntu packged driverd
[06:33] <sorush20> carlos_: what card do you have?
[06:33] <carlos_> yea its a mobility radeon
[06:33] <sorush20> carlos_: do lspci and paste just one line of the card into here..
[06:34] <sorush20> can anyone help me http://pastebin.co.uk/4920
[06:34] <macvek> ut2004: wait, the system is a file, not a directory
[06:34] <jel> chx:  neat; I didn't realise it was that easy :)
[06:34] <ut2004> did u get it
[06:34] <ut2004> yes
[06:34] <chx> jel: it should be :)
[06:34] <ut2004> i need to put a file in it
[06:34] <carlos_>  Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Co
[06:34] <carlos_> ntroller (rev 03)
[06:35] <danic84> how can i do to put photo in my ipod?
[06:35] <knapper> hello
[06:35] <danic84> with gtkpod?
[06:35] <carlos_> the problem is that i dont have widescreen nor 3d
[06:35] <carlos_> only low resolution
[06:35] <knapper> The little update manager icon in the notificiation area doesn't show up anymore, how can I get it back?
[06:35] <sorush20> carlos_: that is intel not ati ..
[06:36] <sorush20> !intel
[06:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:36] <knapper> (the little green dot)
[06:36] <ut2004> exactly what i need to do is put a file in ./system
[06:36] <carlos_> so i screwed up...
[06:36] <ut2004> if i need to create that directory then i need to
[06:36] <Kiongku> hey guys.. what good ftp client is there for linux?
[06:36] <jel> ut2004: what is ./system for?
[06:36] <macvek> ut2004: is ./ your home directory ?
[06:37] <carlos_> so ill hve to uninstall the ati driver, i just installed at and i haven't rebooted
[06:37] <sorush20> carlos_: no not at all.. its not an ati chip its and intel.. I think you should paste out the whole output of you lspci on the pastebin so I can have a look
[06:37] <carlos_> ok
[06:37] <chx> jel: thanks for the 'netinst' keyword  it made my life easy (for I found this thread with netinst edgy usb :) )
[06:37] <ut2004> how do i tell my home directory
[06:37] <DaSkreech> !rtfm
[06:37] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[06:37] <jel> chx: hehhe, it's all about keywords in the google age, huh? ;)
[06:37] <sorush20> carlos_: I'm not so sure you should do that. We haven't figured out if it is and ati or not..
[06:38] <jel> jfgi?
[06:38] <jel> never heard that one.
[06:38] <sorush20> !jfgi
[06:38] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[06:38] <trappist> ut2004: echo ~
[06:38] <Erich-K> Hello
[06:38] <macvek> ut2004: in which directory are you at the moment ?
[06:38] <carlos_> sorush20: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29564/
[06:38] <sorush20> Erich-K:
[06:38] <jel> just fekkin' get isos? :)
[06:39] <jel> joo ...something something something...? :)
[06:39] <trappist> jf google it
[06:39] <jel> good point :)
[06:39] <carlos_> my laptop is a dell inspiron 6400, and the guide that came with it sayd it had a ati controler
[06:39] <Erich-K> If I have a dvd reader on one of my computers (running windows XP) and I'm sharing it across my network with linux, How can I mount it?
[06:39] <trappist> jel: no, that's what it stands for
[06:39] <jel> ohh, that's what it stands for too :D
[06:39] <jel> hahha :)
[06:39] <jel> I see.  sorry :D
[06:39] <DaSkreech> ut2004: type in pwd
[06:40] <trappist> jel: you'd know if you'd jfgi
[06:40] <trappist> ;)
[06:40] <jel> yesh :)
[06:40] <ut2004>  /home/paul
[06:40] <sorush20> carlos_: start up sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:40] <trappist> ut2004: are you trying to put something in your ut2004 System directory?
[06:40] <sorush20> then select the intel driver..
[06:40] <DaSkreech> ut2004: mv system system.old
[06:40] <DaSkreech> mkdir system
[06:40] <DaSkreech> cd system
[06:40] <ut2004> yes
[06:40] <macvek> so you should have rights to make directory here, mkdir system
[06:40] <trappist> ut2004: it's System, not system (case sensitive)
[06:41] <carlos_> ok done
[06:41] <sorush20> carlos_: then make sure you don't have any unsaved data and ctrl + alt + backspace
[06:41] <ut2004> ok
[06:41] <Erich-K> Anyone?
[06:41] <trappist> ut2004: and it should be in your .ut2004 directory
[06:41] <sorush20> carlos_: it should not have been that quick..
[06:41] <DaSkreech> ut2007 << MMMM
[06:41] <trappist> DaSkreech: one day :)
[06:41] <carlos_> no i did the command
[06:41] <jel> trappist: ahh.. they're trying to create a CD key file for ut?
[06:41] <sorush20> did it auto detect you monitor resolution?
[06:41] <carlos_> i go tru the wizard ok?
[06:41] <trappist> jel: don't know, I missed the beginning
[06:42] <trappist> ut2004: cp filename ~/.ut2004/System/
[06:42] <carlos_> after that i do control+alt+backspace?
[06:42] <DaSkreech> trappist: Perhaps you want to ask what ut2004 wants to get done?
[06:43] <trappist> DaSkreech: might not be a bad idea :) but last I read he was trying to put a file in his ut2004 System directory
[06:43] <sorush20> carlos_: yes.. that will log you out and restart into kubuntu.. if you can't restart then you should go to recovery mode and use another driver live vesa
[06:43] <jel> carlos: better to logout, switch to a console, and run /etc/init.d/kdm restart.   But..yeah :)
[06:43] <DaSkreech> trappist: You assume that cause his nick is ut2004 :)
[06:43] <trappist> DaSkreech: no, I assume because I asked him :) 11:40 <trappist> ut2004: are you trying to put something in your ut2004 System directory?
[06:43] <ut2004> this is what im doing
[06:43] <ut2004> http://www.dragonbe.be/index.php?module=unreal_tournament2004
[06:44] <carlos_> whats the video card bus identifier?
[06:44] <ut2004> the cdkey part
[06:44] <msm> hi there!
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Oh right miss one line >_<
[06:44] <msm> ther is someone that use Kmobiletools or gnokii???
[06:45] <sorush20> carlos_: don't touch that.. its auto detected.. everthing else after the intel deiver is autodetecte..
[06:45] <trappist> ut2004: so, echo "YOUR-CD-KEY" > ~/.System/cdkey
[06:45] <carlos_> ok
[06:45] <sorush20> carlos_: did you find an intel driver..
[06:45] <ut2004> it dont work
[06:45] <trappist> ut2004: define "dont work"
[06:45] <sparr> what trappist said
[06:46] <DaSkreech> trappist: I thought that was supposed to be in your .ut2004 Directory?
[06:46] <DaSkreech> !doesn't work
[06:46] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[06:46] <jel> trappist: it's not ~/.System ; it's a system subdir of whereever they install ut2k4server
[06:46] <sparr> trappist: ~/.ut2004/System/cdkey
[06:46] <carlos_> ah ait
[06:46] <carlos_> wait
[06:46] <trappist> DaSkreech: for the ut2004 client, yeah
[06:46] <sparr> jel: not installed.  ut2004 is a sensible game, with home dir configs
[06:46] <macvek> ut2004: so use nano to open ~/.ut2004/System/cdkey
[06:46] <trappist> sparr: not with the instructions he's using
[06:46] <macvek> and then just type it there
[06:47] <msm> there is someone who use KMobileTools or Gnokii please ???
[06:47] <carlos_> no there is no intek driver
[06:47] <ut2004> whats  nano
[06:47] <jel> sparr: this is for the server though, not the game.  The instructions there say to cd to the untar dir, and then refer to that as .
[06:47] <thomas> good evening
[06:47] <jel> ut2004: nano is a basic text editor
[06:47] <carlos_> but there are ixxx where x is a number
[06:48] <ut2004> i dont have nano
[06:48] <jel> ut2004: it's installed by default
[06:48] <ut2004> cant find it
[06:48] <jel> ut2004: but you might prefer kate (a lot)
[06:48] <ut2004> i do have that
[06:48] <jel> ut2004: nano isn't in the menus.  kate is.
[06:48] <macvek> kate, mcedit, nano , kwrite, cat
[06:48] <macvek> just choose one :
[06:49] <ut2004> ok im in kate
[06:49] <ut2004> what do i open
[06:49] <jel> type your CD key, in the format shown on that webpage, with dashes and numbers.  Then save in the system directory.
[06:49] <sorush20> carlos_: install sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-i810 xserver-xorg-video-intel
[06:50] <ut2004> i have the file made
[06:50] <macvek> press ALT+F2 , type 'kate ~/.ut2004/System/cdkey'  then put cdkey there, saveit and exit
[06:50] <carlos_> kk
[06:50] <mRkus> Wie kann man such nomma als sudo anmelden?
[06:50] <msm> there is someone who use KMobileTools or Gnokii please ???
[06:50] <carlos_> i got i810 in the driver list
[06:51] <jel> ut2004: so go to the menu, and choose save.  It'll pop up a save dialog, and you can find the system directory.  Type the filename cdkey, and press the save button.  If you  got the directory right, and typed the key right, you'll be done.
[06:51] <dom> !de
[06:51] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:51] <thomas> I have install edgy (kde) but when I do the mouse over a mp3 file I can nothing hear. when I do it the mouse over a ogg file I can hear music
[06:51] <ut2004> the only system directory ican access is the one in the folder everything for the server is in
[06:52] <jel> ut2004: save it in there.
[06:52] <jel> does that dir have a capital S?
[06:52] <carlos_> sorush20: i have i810 in the driver list should i pick it?
[06:53] <sorush20> carlos_: yes..
[06:53] <ut2004> ok gonna load the server and see what happens
[06:54] <jel> ut2004: wait.. . did you do the next part, with the generator?
[06:54] <sorush20> did you manage to do that..
[06:54] <hazard2> anyone know if its possible to have kate use a tab character size half the default without having it make tab be spaces?
[06:55] <jel> hazard2: yes, it is.  It's in the prefs.
[06:55] <hazard2> where, I can't find it.
[06:55] <jel> hazard2: 4 is the officially better size ;)
[06:55] <jel> hazard: configure editor, I think, not configure kate
[06:55] <hazard2> ?!
[06:56] <jel> hazard2: no, sorry, that's kwrite :)
[06:56] <ut2004> anyone happen to have ut2004
[06:56] <jel> hazard2: it's in the "Editing" section, at the top.
[06:57] <trappist> ut2004: I do
[06:57] <hazard2> Ah, thanks.
[06:57] <jel> hazard2: np :)
[06:57] <hazard2> That's been driving me nuts.
[06:57] <trappist> ut2004: but I don't run a dedicated server.  that's different.
[06:57] <ut2004> i need someone to check if its up
[06:57] <jel> hazard2: yeah, no one should have 8-char tabs unless they have 40-column screens :)
[06:57] <trappist> ut2004: I can do that without having ut2004 installed
[06:58] <ut2004> ok
[06:58] <ut2004> how?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> !mp3 > thomas
[06:58] <luke__> ola
[06:59] <trappist> ut2004: it's not up
[06:59] <jel> hehhe... looks like every block on this hard drive is screwed :D
[06:59] <trappist> ut2004: the ports are not open at your ip address
[07:01] <trappist> hazard2: in the config window, under Editor -> Editing, adjust the "Tab width"
[07:01] <hazard2> I already found it trappist, thanks though.
[07:01] <ut2004> how do i tell my computer ip
[07:01] <trappist> ut2004: it looks like you're behind a router - a windows box?
[07:01] <jel> ut2004: do you have a router?
[07:02] <ut2004> no
[07:02] <trappist> ut2004: go to whatismyip.con
[07:02] <ut2004> 2 computers
[07:02] <trappist> *whatismyip.com
[07:02] <ut2004> i need the computer ip
[07:02] <trappist> ut2004: ifconfig
[07:02] <ut2004> networked with nic cards
[07:02] <jel> ut2004: one is sharing the internet connection of the other?
[07:02] <ut2004> yes
[07:02] <trappist> ut2004: a windows box is sharing the internet?
[07:02] <ut2004> yes
[07:03] <trappist> ut2004: no one can get to your linux box through the windows box, so no one can get to your ut server
[07:03] <jel> then you need the ip of the first machine, which is sharing the connection... that's the only machine that's REALLY on the internet
[07:03] <Lam_> is it just me or does the firefox icon need anti-aliasing
[07:04] <Lam_> how do i stop konqueror from asking whether or not i want to store a password?
[07:05] <ut2004> i can log in to the server from the windows box
[07:05] <ut2004> i know lan works
[07:05] <jel> Lam_: there is a config file which lists sides to ignore.  You might be able to put in * as the list.
[07:05] <trappist> ut2004: it won't work from the internet.
[07:05] <Lam_> jel: ok thanks. i'll give that a try
[07:05] <trappist> ut2004: for example, I wouldn't be able to connect.
[07:06] <ut2004> how bout if irun the connection the other way intenet>linux>windows
[07:06] <trappist> ut2004: if you know how to get windows to forward ports, that's what you need.
[07:06] <trappist> ut2004: that would work
[07:06] <Kiongku> !apache
[07:06] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[07:06] <trappist> ut2004: that would also be a better idea
[07:07] <ut2004> that requires hardware mods though
[07:07] <jel> ut2004: your best bet would be to setup the linux box as your internet gateway/firewall, instead of the windows machine.
[07:07] <jel> ut2004: although that would require some study.
[07:08] <ut2004> i just would have to add a nic card to this omp and  adjust some settings on both computers ...?
[07:08] <trappist> ut2004: yes
[07:09] <trappist> ut2004: it can be done with one nic, but... yeah get another nic
[07:09] <ut2004> i have no router
[07:09] <ut2004> just a switch
[07:09] <jel> ut2004: that's OK; the sharing machine will act as a NAT router
[07:09] <trappist> ut2004: your linux box will be the router when you're done - right now it's the windows box
[07:09] <ut2004> i know how t make the linux box work on the internet
[07:10] <ut2004> how do i shar the conn with the windows box
[07:11] <trappist> ut2004: once you've got the internet working, run this script as root: http://linuxkungfu.org/files/scripts/ics
[07:12] <jdawiz> I may have made a big uh-oh boo-boo ouch.   I was trying to remove avahi so I was removing anything in adept that had it.  And um it started to say removing kdm on the progress bar...
[07:12] <trappist> ut2004: then tell the windows box to use the linux box as a gateway (or set up dhcp)
[07:12] <Lam_> my emacs has horribly small font. what happened to it?
[07:12] <Lam_> it worked fine before
[07:12] <jdawiz> anyone had this happen before?
[07:13] <ut2004> ok i can just run the network set up wizzard as connecting through another comuter or gateway
[07:13] <ut2004> and it should pick up the internet
[07:14] <trappist> ut2004: if you run dhcpd on the linux box, yeah
[07:14] <ut2004> what file extension do i save the script as
[07:14] <Dr_willis> ut2004,  no need for an extension..
[07:14] <Dr_willis> ut2004,  call them, whatever ya want
[07:15] <ut2004> as a text file
[07:15] <trappist> ut2004: doesn't matter.  just say sudo sh filename
[07:15] <ut2004> ok
[07:15] <Dr_willis> or sudo bash filename :)
[07:15] <Dr_willis> or chmod +x filename && ./filename
[07:16] <trappist> or sudo dash filename!
[07:16] <ut2004> after i connect the internet to the linux box i do dhcpd instead of dhclient
[07:16] <trappist> ut2004: yea, you want it to be a dhcp server instead of a client (unless it needs to be a dhcp client to connect to your ISP)
[07:17] <ut2004> ok gonna make some hardware mods
[07:18] <klekkus> hi everyone. after (holy christ) 17 hours, ive finaly managed to get my atheros ar5005g card working and is online! But its still one thing, everytime I reboot i need to do sudo rmmod some modules and then sudo modprobe ath_pci. Is it some way to stop kubuntu modprobing the x devices at startup?
[07:18] <klekkus> what file can i remove the modules from?
[07:19] <trappist> klekkus: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[07:19] <trappist> klekkus: *add* the module there
[07:19] <klekkus> trappist: thnxz:)
[07:21] <klekkus> trappist: that file was basicly, i need the file that loads em' on startup
[07:22] <trappist> klekkus: if you want to prevent a module from loading, blacklist is what you want
[07:23] <klekkus> trappist: never mind i found the ansvare:P
[07:23] <trappist> klekkus: cool :)
[07:23] <Trist_an> hello
[07:23] <Trist_an> Where are the K menu shortcuts stored?
[07:24] <Dr_willis> there a /etc/modules file that loads modules.
[07:24] <Dr_willis> Trist_an,  they are generated from the various .desktop files
[07:24] <klekkus> trappist: but you still might help me if you want (A) if you take a look at the http://rik.no-ip.com/~rik/?q=node/10 and looks in the wireless section you see my prob. Im a total newb
[07:24] <Dr_willis>   for example ------>  /usr/share/applications/glines.desktop
[07:24] <Trist_an> Dr_willis, and where would be my desktop file? I mean there should be a file which rules K menu, no?
[07:25] <Trist_an> Ah, Dr_willis I know that it is a fle in my /home directory
[07:25] <Dr_willis> there is not a sngle desktop file.. theres a file for each menu item. :P NOT the /home/username/Desktop dir.
[07:25] <trappist> klekkus: what exactly do you need help with?  isn't it working? ;)
[07:25] <klekkus> it is
[07:25] <Dr_willis> You can customise the menus I guess. but not messed with that  much.
[07:26] <klekkus> but as ive said, im a total newb, just immigrated from windows to kubuntu, and i dont understand what he means with : BTW, as you can see, this is a small shellscript. I've made it so it starts when loading KDE. Just place a link in ~/.kde/Autostart with "kdesu reloadwirelessmodules.sh" or something similar).
[07:26] <Trist_an> Dr_willis, I had a customized K menu and now I would like to know where the file is stored...
[07:26] <jel> klekkus: it's just a small list of commands that gets run when you log in.
[07:27] <klekkus> jel: i know, but how do i just place a link in /home/klekkus/.kde/Autostart with "kdesu reloadwirelessmodules.sh" or something similar?
[07:27] <gsuveg> re
[07:28] <gsuveg> i dont have wifi in knetworkmagager :(
[07:29] <klekkus> anyone want to help me doing that?
[07:29] <Daskreech2_> jdawiz: no KDM?
[07:30] <jdawiz> well.  when i went to uninstall avahi I saw some libraries with that in name
[07:30] <jdawiz> so I removed them too
[07:30] <Daskreech2_> jdawiz: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and you should be good
[07:30] <jdawiz> when I did that it started to remove lotsa other things.  like kontact, kmail, kdm
[07:32] <mariano> can some one help me get my usb sound card working
[07:32] <macconline> hi. i want see version of kde, per terminal??
[07:33] <macconline> how i do this?
[07:33] <trappist> macconline: kde-config -v
[07:33] <mariano> It is not being read by kubuntu. When I was using suse 10.1 I had to install a firmware loader with ./configure, make, make install.
[07:33] <mariano> but I can't seem to get that working with kubuntu
[07:33] <v3ctor> kicker --version
[07:33] <Lam_> does anyone else's emacs render the font too small?
[07:34] <macconline> trappist: thanks....
[07:34] <DaSkreech> jdawiz: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and you should be good
[07:36] <klekkus> anyone? what does this man mean with;  Just place a link in ~/.kde/Autostart with "kdesu reloadwirelessmodules.sh" or something similar).
[07:37] <fdoving> klekkus: what is it you're trying to do?
[07:37] <klekkus> fdoving: just link reloadwirelessmodules.sh in ~/.kde/Autostart
[07:38] <fdoving> klekkus: that's what he tells you to do. he also tells you to add 'kdesu' to it, to run it as root.
[07:38] <klekkus> fdoving: http://rik.no-ip.com/~rik/?q=node/10 <- if you read the wireless section you see what i mean, and btw i am totaly new to linux and ubuntu
[07:38] <Lam_> is there a way to explicitly disable the system bell?
[07:39] <klekkus> fdoving: if you see the link I gave you see what i mean
[07:40] <fdoving> klekkus: du you have a script named reloadwirelessmodules.sh with the commands listed on that page?
[07:40] <klekkus> fdoving: yes
[07:41] <jdawiz> thanks
[07:41] <fdoving> klekkus: ok, he uses confusing words. he means 'script' when he writes 'link'.
[07:41] <fdoving> klekkus: in ~/.kde/Autostart/ you can make a file let's say root-reloadwireless.sh
[07:42] <dom> Lam_, the system bell config is all under System Preferences.  I have mine configured to be visual only.
[07:42] <klekkus> fdoving: and thats it?:)
[07:42] <fdoving> klekkus: put 'kdesu /path/to/reloadwireless.sh' in it. and make it executable (right-click -> properties in konq)
[07:42] <dom> Lam_, sys prefs -> notifications
[07:43] <Lam_> dom: thanks a lot
[07:43] <dom> np
[07:44] <klekkus> fdoving: you want me to copy reloadwireless.sh to Autostart mappen?
[07:44] <utente> Giangio
[07:45] <fdoving> klekkus: no, make a new script.
[07:45] <klekkus> fdoving: ok, then what
[07:45] <jdawiz> daskreech --- running the install of kubuntu-desktop gets me unmet dependencies.  I think that it didn't do the full uninstall is there a way to force the dependencies?
[07:46] <fdoving> klekkus: make a new script, that executes the first script with kdesu. 'kdesu /path/to/firstscript.sh'
[07:46] <fdoving> jdawiz: please paste the error message at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:46] <Daskreech2> jdawiz: try apt-get install -f
[07:48] <jdawiz> fdoving it is pasted now
[07:48] <jdawiz> daskreetch no errors
[07:48] <dwar> Hello all. Where do Kubuntu list their bugs?
[07:50] <fdoving> jdawiz: please give me the full url to it.
[07:50] <firebird619> What would make the KDE main panel at the bottom of the screen disappear shortly after startup? It is not on autohide. I have been having other graphics troubles as well, such as window borders disappearing.
[07:50] <fdoving> dwar: bugs.ubuntu.com
[07:50] <dwar> fdoving: thanks
[07:51] <jdawiz> daskreech and fdoving -- I have a recent partimage of my drive that I can go back to but I wanted to check if there was a way for my knowledge
[07:51] <jdawiz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29574/
[07:52] <fdoving> jdawiz: can you paste the conents of /etc/apt/sources.list too?
[07:53] <trappist> firebird619: it could be crashing
[07:54] <jdawiz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29576/
[07:54] <firebird619> trappist: The mouse still works and everything, and I can right click the desktop, etc., just no panel. When I first start the PC, before the login screen, the majority of the time I get a black screen with muliple colored dots or likes or something, and sometimes thick white lines going across the screen. Could it be graphics drivers?
[07:55] <trappist> firebird619: yes, it could.  I wouldn't expect that to be related to the mysteriously disappearing panel, though.  but maybe.
[07:56] <firebird619> I have intel built-in graphics. Which package is recommended for that? I know there is a package called 915resolution, but I also find a package called xserver-xorg-video-intel. Which is recommended?
[07:56] <fdoving> jdawiz: ouch. you've used automatix. that's bad.
[07:57] <jdawiz> I don't use it anymore.. this machine was one of my first
[07:57] <fdoving> gnomefreak: ping? did you figure out how to fix automatix-broken-systems? have them correctly updated?
[07:58] <jdawiz> like I said I am completely backed up with partimage so I shouldn't have a problem getting back to normal that way
[07:58] <gnomefreak> fdoving: what do you mean?
[07:58] <gnomefreak> what is the issue?
[07:59] <gnomefreak> it depends what broke and why if it repairable
[08:00] <fdoving> I don't even know what automatix does.
[08:00] <fdoving> jdawiz: i would first start by removing the automatix lines from /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:00] <gnomefreak> i see the error
[08:00] <gnomefreak> no
[08:01] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: what version of kubutnu?
[08:01] <jdawiz> 6.06
[08:01] <gnomefreak> what version of kdebase?
[08:01] <gnomefreak> apt-cache policy kdebase
[08:02] <dwar> Does anyone know of a bug in the apache2 package causing the line 'DirectoryIndex' to be removed in apache2.conf?
[08:02] <jdawiz> 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27
[08:02] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: good
[08:02] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[08:02] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: please paste output to pastebin
[08:02] <control> alguien que me ayude por fa
[08:03] <jdawiz> sorry gnomefreak ?pastebin?
[08:03] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: are you upgrading?
[08:03] <control> * Connecting to ircchat.terra.cl (200.28.222.214) port 7000...
[08:03] <control> * Connected. Now logging in...
[08:03] <control> * Disconnected (Puerto cerrado en el equipo remoto).
[08:03] <jdawiz> nope just messed up
[08:03] <control> speak spaish ???
[08:03] <fdoving> !es
[08:03] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[08:03] <control> speak spanish ???
[08:03] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: the same place you pasted the other stuff
[08:03] <jdawiz> thanks
[08:04] <jdawiz> no not updating just messed up
[08:04] <gnomefreak> k just run that command and paste output on the pastebin site
[08:05] <fdoving> jdawiz: you could also check /etc/apt/preferences - if it exists, it could make problems. (don't know what automatix does so i wouldn't know if it exists or not)
[08:05] <gnomefreak> fdoving: if i had to guess its due to the multimedia stuff automatix installed messing it up
[08:05] <jdawiz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29578/
[08:05] <gnomefreak> fdoving: installs java, codecs ect. for the user that doesnt know how to use apt-get install
[08:05] <fdoving> gnomefreak: ok, i'll let you handle this, as i don't have a clue about automatix.
[08:05] <control> gracias
[08:06] <gnomefreak> ah
[08:06] <gnomefreak> this isnt automatix
[08:06] <gnomefreak> this is user i believe
[08:06] <jdawiz> fdoving : I will take a look.  like I said I quit using automatix a while ago becuase I found more of the real ways to do everything
[08:06] <klarkin> eve'nin
[08:06] <fdoving> ah.. i see it too.
[08:06] <DaSkreech> Man the NTFS guys are really really really quiet
[08:07] <fdoving> jdawiz: did you try to install kde from kubuntu.org repositories?
[08:07] <gnomefreak> wher eis sources.list file pasted to?
[08:07] <gnomefreak> fdoving: it looks like it
[08:07] <fdoving> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29576/
[08:07] <gnomefreak> hes got 3.5.2 kdebase and trying to grab 3.5.4 stuff
[08:07] <fdoving> doesn't contain kubuntu.org sources though. probably removed as they didn't work or made problems or something.
[08:08] <fdoving> gnomefreak: isn't it the opposite..
[08:08] <jdawiz> I don't believe I did fdoving
[08:08] <gnomefreak> he said kdebase version was 3.5.2
[08:08] <fdoving> is this backports then?
[08:08] <fdoving> 32.   konqueror: Depends: kdebase-kio-plugins (= 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27) but 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu1~dapper2 is installed.
[08:09] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: what is the ah
[08:09] <gnomefreak> sorry read that wrong
[08:09] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: do you have gnome or xfce?
[08:09] <gnomefreak> installed that you can boot to?
[08:10] <jdawiz> well gnome no I have kde only on this machine.
[08:10] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: do me a favor and do apt-cache policy kdebase-kio-plugins and give me the repo at the bottom
[08:10] <jdawiz> my kontact stuff is fixed now
[08:11] <gnomefreak> fdoving: they wouldnt have backported 3.5.4 (i would hope)
[08:11] <fdoving> gnomefreak: i only know about kubuntu.org 3.5.4
[08:11] <jdawiz> 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[08:11] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: what version does itsay
[08:11] <jdawiz> is the last line of that output
[08:12] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: is that the only repo there
[08:12] <jdawiz> 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu26 0
[08:12] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: try to do that with konqueror
[08:13] <gnomefreak> i need the version and the repos listed at bottom
[08:13] <jdawiz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29582/  is the output of the kdebase-kio-plugins
[08:13] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: i need it for konqueror also
[08:14] <gnomefreak> Installed: 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu1~dapper2  where did you get 3.5.2 from?
[08:14] <jdawiz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29583/ is konqueror
[08:14] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: what did you install with dpkg?
[08:15] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: sudo apt-get -f install
[08:15] <jdawiz> unless automatix installs that way I am not sure
[08:15] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: please paste output to pastebin
[08:15] <fdoving> gnomefreak: 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu1~dapper2 matches kubuntu.org version
[08:15] <gnomefreak> !kdebase dapper
[08:15] <ubotu> kdebase: base components from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 38 kB, installed size 76 kB
[08:15] <gnomefreak> !info jdebase dapper
[08:15] <ubotu> Package jdebase does not exist in dapper
[08:16] <gnomefreak> fdoving: unless they ported all of kde for security fixes (they shouldnt have)
[08:16] <jdawiz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29584/
[08:16] <pancho> Hi everybody, some help on playing mp3's on Kubuntu Edgy 64b?
[08:17] <pancho> I saw some pages on libxine-extracodecs but cannot find it. Any help?
[08:17] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: open up your /etc/apt/sources.list file and get rid of all automatix repos and the debsarge repo save than close it
[08:18] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: you need to do it with sudo
[08:18] <lugburz> !dt
[08:18] <lugburz> !ger
[08:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:18] <lugburz> hm
[08:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ger - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:18] <some0ne> Hey I see on kde-look.org there are custom splash screens for Kontact. How do you set those?
[08:19] <lugburz> german chan?
[08:19] <lugburz> !german
[08:19] <lugburz> hm
[08:19] <lugburz> !ger
[08:19] <fdoving> jdawiz: what's the output of: dpkg -l|grep '3.5.4' ?
[08:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about german - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:19] <lugburz> !dt
[08:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ger - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:19] <fdoving> !de
[08:19] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:19] <lugburz> ah ;)
[08:20] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: let me know when your done with that
[08:20] <jdawiz> fdoving http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29585/
[08:21] <pancho> Hi everybody, some help on playing mp3's on Kubuntu Edgy 64b?
[08:21] <fdoving> jdawiz: you do have kde 3.5.4 from kubuntu.org
[08:22] <azzco> Hi I've got a small problem here. I'm playing a game with wine but the window wont grab the mouse...
[08:22] <azzco> How do I make the window grab the mouse?
[08:22] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: did you use the repo on kubuntu.org to install kde 3.5.4?
[08:22] <fdoving> jdawiz: add 'deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354 dapper main' to your /etc/apt/sources.list and try to install kubuntu-desktop again.
[08:23] <klekkus> hi i need to know ho to make a script run at startup in kubuntu, anyone knows?
[08:23] <klekkus> its a .sh script btw
[08:23] <fdoving> klekkus: before login? or after?
[08:23] <klekkus> fdoving: before:)
[08:23] <jdawiz> gnome... I am back to a sources.list from scratch
[08:23] <fdoving> klekkus: /etc/rc.local
[08:23] <pancho> some help on playing mp3's on Kubuntu Edgy 64bit?
[08:23] <jdawiz> and uncommented debs
[08:23] <jdawiz> and multiverse added
[08:24] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: add the repo that fdoving asked you to
[08:24] <klekkus> fdoving: just do "nano /etc/rc.local" then in the file type "/path/to/file"?
[08:24] <gnomefreak> jdawiz: after that sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:25] <WikinG> question about OOo - how to put page landscape?
[08:25] <fdoving> klekkus: correct. before the line 'exit 0'
[08:25] <MidMark> hi, I have set the screensaver
[08:25] <MidMark> but it appears everytime an X moving into screen
[08:25] <MidMark> any fix?
[08:25] <klekkus> fdoving: ok, thnkz:D
[08:26] <pancho> Please, some help on playing mp3's on Kubuntu Edgy 6.10 64bits?
[08:26] <fdoving> klekkus: make sure the /path/to/file file is set executable, if it's not you have to prepend the /path/to/file with '/bin/sh'.
[08:26] <gnomefreak> fdoving: he should be fine after that i would try locate automatix and get the script off his system too
[08:27] <jdawiz> done>   output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29587/
[08:27] <pancho> Pluss some help on screen refresh rate / repaint rate that is a little odd (slow)
[08:27] <wonderdady> hi
[08:27] <_robert> hi I'm looking for the kde maintainer. specially the kopete one.
[08:27] <wonderdady> newbe here:)
[08:27] <gnomefreak> there you go. other than finding the script and deleting it you should be all good
[08:27] <_robert> kopete cant't connect to icq since today, but a patch is provided from the kde guys
[08:27] <_robert> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/69494
[08:27] <jel> _robert: why?  If you want to report a bug, there are websites to submit them through.
[08:28] <_robert> I submitted the bug already
[08:28] <jel> ahh, you have :)
[08:28] <wonderdady> alway`s so much ppl in here
[08:28] <_robert> but a non working icq connection is real real problem ;-)
[08:28] <jel> _robert: I believe there is  a kde-devel or kde-dev channel somewhere...
[08:28] <_robert> I know
[08:29] <_robert> I've discussed it with them and they provided a patch
[08:29] <pierre__> how do i stop KDE from remembering all my apps etc from the previous session?
[08:29] <_robert> just one line ;-)
[08:29] <_robert> so now I'm looking for new kopete packages ;-)
[08:29] <wonderdady> i need to speed kubuntu up @acer travelmate 212txv
[08:30] <wonderdady> anny suggestions???
[08:30] <pancho> some help on playing mp3's on Kubuntu Edgy 64bit?
[08:30] <wonderdady> wiki didnt help me much this far
[08:30] <h3sp4wn> !restricted > pancho
[08:30] <pancho> ??
[08:31] <pancho> @_@
[08:31] <wonderdady> well, i gues nowbody can /will help me
[08:31] <wonderdady> google and wiki didnt help me much to
[08:32] <fdoving> _robert: i'll update the package, and have someone upload it to edgy-updates once it's opened.
[08:33] <pierre__> how do i stop KDE from restoring my session every time i log in?
[08:33] <_robert> could you also to dapper 3.5.5 packages? or are the the same?
[08:33] <pancho> (1 to: 100) do: [Transcript show: 'Please some help on playing mp3 on kubuntu edgy 64bit?' ; cr] .
[08:33] <_robert> I could test them then
[08:33] <_robert> than
[08:34] <fdoving> _robert: they are much about the same. I'll try to get kubuntu.org updated too. I'll tell you when I have something you can test.
[08:34] <_robert> ok thx
[08:35] <_robert> you can also send me a mail with it (robert@penz.name) ... and there are also some other guys in the kopete channel which would like to help testing it
[08:40] <_robert> fdoving: I've entered the info you gave me into the bug report so others know also that someone is working on new packages.  hope thats ok
[08:40] <pancho> ok bye
[08:40] <VitoGirl> using freenode 6.06.1
[08:40] <VitoGirl> using kubuntu 6.06.1
[08:40] <VitoGirl> :)
[08:40] <VitoGirl> trying to install tcl8.4
[08:40] <VitoGirl> and i got some problems like
[08:41] <VitoGirl> checking for gcc no
[08:41] <VitoGirl> checking for cc no
[08:41] <VitoGirl> checking compression for manpages no
[08:41] <VitoGirl> checking whether to use sumlinks for manpages no
[08:41] <fdoving> _robert: great, thanks :)
[08:43] <_robert> fdoving: no problem.
[08:45] <MidMark> someone else that has problem with screensaver?
[08:45] <VitoGirl> .
[08:45] <VitoGirl> just installed kubuntu 6.06.1 and trying to install tcl8.4 and i got these problems : checking for gcc no , checking for cc no ,checking compression for manpages no,checking whether to use sumlinks for manpages no any help please
[08:46] <VitoGirl> help please?
[08:46] <claude> What do you need help with?
[08:46] <VitoGirl> just installed kubuntu 6.06.1 and trying to install tcl8.4 and i got these problems : checking for gcc no , checking for cc no ,checking compression for manpages no,checking whether to use sumlinks for manpages no any help please
[08:47] <VitoGirl> this!
[08:47] <VitoGirl> what do i need to do
[08:47] <MidMark> VitoGirl: install build-essential
[08:47] <MidMark> all you need to compile
[08:47] <VitoGirl> how?
[08:47] <VitoGirl> im new in linux series
[08:48] <MidMark> what you have to do? install tcl 8.4? compile? why?
[08:48] <VitoGirl> why i need it to run eggdrop
[08:48] <VitoGirl> thats why
[08:48] <VitoGirl> install apache , mysql , php
[08:48] <MidMark> so open adept, select tcp8.4 and install it
[08:48] <MidMark> it's easy
[08:49] <VitoGirl> i dont have internet connection on that small pc
[08:50] <MidMark> so go to packages.ubuntu.com and search for the package, remember to search for dapper if you have 6.06
[08:50] <VitoGirl> what kind of packages do i need to search
[08:50] <VitoGirl> i dont have gcc
[08:50] <VitoGirl> actually this dapper dont havfe nothing
[08:50] <MidMark> you don't need gcc!
[08:50] <VitoGirl> did u readed my problem?
[08:51] <VitoGirl> checking for gcc no , checking for cc no ,checking compression for manpages no,checking whether to use sumlinks for manpages no any help please
[08:51] <MidMark> yes but doing WHAT? compiling... installing... laughing...
[08:51] <VitoGirl> compilling and installing tcl8.4
[08:51] <MidMark> oh yes
[08:51] <MidMark> finally
[08:52] <VitoGirl> so what i need to install
[08:52] <VitoGirl> im newbie
[08:52] <MidMark> so how can you move date to this pc?
[08:52] <VitoGirl> thru usb stick
[08:52] <MidMark> ok
[08:52] <MidMark> so wait a sec
[08:52] <VitoGirl> okey
[08:52] <unix_infidel> move date?
[08:52] <VitoGirl> or moving data:D
[08:52] <MidMark> data
[08:54] <MidMark> ok edgy has tcl8.4 dapper not
[08:54] <MidMark> sorry
[08:54] <MidMark> dapper yes
[08:54] <MidMark> VitoGirl: go here -> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/interpreters/tcl8.4
[08:55] <MidMark> download the deb file
[08:55] <VitoGirl> okey mate
[08:55] <VitoGirl> oh
[08:55] <VitoGirl> i already got the tcl8.7
[08:55] <VitoGirl> i already got the tcl8.4
[08:55] <VitoGirl> but i need gcc to install 8.4
[08:55] <MidMark> VitoGirl: you have source?
[08:55] <VitoGirl> yes
[08:56] <MidMark> VitoGirl: there are source to be compiled and precompiled package
[08:56] <MidMark> the link I gave you are precompiled!
[08:56] <MidMark> no need to compile
[08:56] <VitoGirl> well lets se
[08:56] <MidMark> download the deb file -> transfer to the other pc -> right click -> kubuntu menu -> install -> password
[08:57] <MidMark> of course you have to download the right file: i386, amd64 or powerpc it depends on which dapper you have installed
[08:57] <VitoGirl> i386
[08:58] <MidMark> so get it, and install it
[08:58] <VitoGirl> libc6
[08:58] <MidMark> libc6 should be installed... check in the other pc
[08:58] <VitoGirl> now i need that
[08:58] <VitoGirl> ;)
[08:58] <MidMark> open adept
[08:58] <VitoGirl> okey
[08:58] <MidMark> search libc6
[08:58] <MidMark> and see if is it installed
[08:58] <MidMark> try
[08:59] <MidMark> with kubuntu you don't need to compile, only in very few cases where there aren't packages precompiled
[09:00] <zhar>  ..   ?
[09:00] <VitoGirl> cant understand?
[09:01] <trappist> VitoGirl: install the 'build-essentials' package to get the majority of what you need to compile, includin the libc6 header files
[09:01] <MidMark> trappist: he has to download manually every package and transfer with usb key
[09:01] <VitoGirl> how to install that?
[09:01] <trappist> ouch, missed that part
[09:01] <MidMark> build-essential has a lot of packages
[09:01] <MidMark> VitoGirl: continue to search :D
[09:01] <VitoGirl> hehe
[09:01] <VitoGirl> no fear
[09:01] <MidMark> libc6 is installed?
[09:01] <zhar> Im russia! Who speak russia?
[09:02] <trappist> !ru
[09:02] <ubotu> Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke. Russian users please try #ubuntu-ru, there you may get more help
[09:02] <VitoGirl> how to check?
[09:02] <MidMark> just said!
[09:02] <MidMark> open adept
[09:02] <zhar> Big thenks!
[09:02] <MidMark> put libc6 in the search
[09:03] <MidMark> and see
[09:03] <trappist> VitoGirl: you need libc6-dev (you already have libc6 installed)
[09:03] <VitoGirl> okeY
[09:03] <Lars_G> you hate me, all of you :)
[09:03] <MidMark> Lars_G: do you need to install tcl? :)
[09:03] <MidMark> we are here
[09:04] <Lars_G> MidMark: Nah, but I wanted amarok 1.4.4 so baddly and you're making me go edgy :)
[09:04] <Lars_G> I'm updating my distro then
[09:04] <MidMark> Lars_G: so only one thing -> at the end check if kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-base were installed
[09:04] <dalbirdy> can someone help me get my repositories in order....
[09:04] <MidMark> because my update uninstalled them
[09:05] <Lars_G> OK, I will
[09:05] <Lars_G> thanks
[09:05] <MidMark> dalbirdy: ask
[09:05] <VitoGirl> MidMark
[09:05] <Lars_G> I wonder if I should dist-upgrade and upgrade in aptitude, I've always used apt-get before
[09:05] <VitoGirl> heh i installed
[09:05] <dalbirdy> can someone help me get my repositories in order....?
[09:05] <VitoGirl> tcl8.4
[09:05] <rich_> anyone able to gimme alittle help in here since ubuntu channel seems to not respond?
[09:05] <VitoGirl> wile im trying to configure my eggdrop
[09:05] <VitoGirl> there says
[09:05] <VitoGirl> gcc error
[09:05] <VitoGirl> cc erro
[09:05] <VitoGirl> wtf this kubuntu
[09:05] <dalbirdy> i am getting duplicates....and repositories not found anymore
[09:05] <VitoGirl> nothing got
[09:05] <Lars_G> Will you people stop asking if we can help and please ask what you need?
[09:06] <dalbirdy> how can i show you what my souces list looks like
[09:06] <MidMark> VitoGirl: what are you doing now?
[09:06] <VitoGirl> ill paste now
[09:06] <Lars_G> dalbirdy: you can paste them on a pastebin like rafb.net/paste
[09:06] <MidMark> !paste
[09:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:06] <rich_> in my xorg.conf i have under monitors my refresh rates, but its like xserver isn't even using them at all.  For refresh rates the only options i have at 50 and 63 hz
[09:06] <Lars_G> thanks MidMark
[09:06] <VitoGirl> /eggdrop-1.6.17$ ./configure
[09:06] <VitoGirl> checking for gcc... no
[09:06] <VitoGirl> checking for cc... no
[09:06] <VitoGirl> checking for cc... no
[09:06] <VitoGirl> checking for cl... no
[09:06] <VitoGirl> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[09:06] <VitoGirl> See `config.log' for more details.
[09:07] <rich_> i have tried dpkg -reconfigure and get the same results
[09:07] <MidMark> VitoGirl: eggdrop is present for dapper
[09:07] <MidMark> like tcl
[09:07] <Lars_G> tcl?
[09:07] <MidMark> listen to me please
[09:07] <VitoGirl> i need to instal gcc , cc , cc , cl
[09:07] <MidMark> NO
[09:07] <VitoGirl> i need theese
[09:07] <MidMark> listen!
[09:07] <MidMark> listen!!!
[09:07] <VitoGirl> damn
[09:07] <VitoGirl> i want to install
[09:07] <VitoGirl> apache
[09:07] <MidMark> yes I know
[09:07] <VitoGirl> too
[09:07] <VitoGirl> mysql
[09:07] <VitoGirl> pohp
[09:08] <MidMark> but they are ALL packages just compiled
[09:08] <dalbirdy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29596/
[09:08] <VitoGirl> were?
[09:08] <MidMark> why you want to COMPILE?
[09:08] <dalbirdy> there is my source list
[09:08] <MidMark> so listen
[09:08] <MidMark> please
[09:08] <VitoGirl> ok
[09:08] <MidMark> go to packages.ubuntu.com
[09:08] <MidMark> search for DAPPER
[09:08] <VitoGirl> yep
[09:08] <MidMark> WHAT you want to install
[09:08] <cpk1> rich_: you set the HorizSync and VertRefresh in section "monitor"?
[09:08] <VitoGirl> ikm new
[09:08] <VitoGirl> MidMark
[09:08] <VitoGirl> i want to install eggdrop
[09:08] <MidMark> if you need some other packages then search
[09:08] <VitoGirl> and php , mysql
[09:08] <MidMark> there are: php, mysql
[09:08] <MidMark> all
[09:09] <MidMark> precompiled
[09:09] <MidMark> search, download, install
[09:09] <MidMark> ok?
[09:09] <Lars_G> MidMark: I wonder if it wouldn't be saner to install from scratch and save my data....
[09:09] <Lars_G> Nah, I have too much configured already
[09:09] <Lars_G> nvm
[09:09] <VitoGirl> and the eggdrop isnt here
[09:09] <trappist> !enter | MidMark
[09:09] <ubotu> MidMark: Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[09:09] <MidMark> yes sorry
[09:09] <MidMark> but VitoGirl doesn't listen!
[09:10] <rich_> cpk1: yes i have
[09:10] <dalbirdy> has anyone checked out kmy sources list?
[09:10] <dalbirdy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29596/
[09:10] <MidMark> VitoGirl: eggdrop is present, I've checked before!
[09:10] <VitoGirl> so find it for me
[09:10] <rich_> shall i paste bin that section so you can see?
[09:10] <MidMark> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/net/eggdrop
[09:10] <MidMark> are you stupid?
[09:10] <MidMark> there is the serach function!
[09:11] <Lars_G> MidMark: you seem like a decent person, insults and all. wish me luck please
[09:11] <trappist> MidMark: there's no place for that here.
[09:11] <VitoGirl> ok MidMark
[09:11] <Lars_G> dalbirdy: one sec my firefox's acting up
[09:11] <VitoGirl> but if i want to have gcc cc on my os
[09:11] <trappist> MidMark: please keep it civil.
[09:11] <VitoGirl> what do i need to do
[09:11] <MidMark> VitoGirl: the same thing
[09:11] <MidMark> search, download install
[09:12] <MidMark> trappist: have you read? search for me...
[09:12] <MidMark> this is an insult!
[09:12] <trappist> VitoGirl: he's telling you you don't need a compiler to install eggdrop.  just download and install the eggdrop package (and the eggdrop-data package)
[09:12] <VitoGirl> ye ye i understand
[09:12] <VitoGirl> but anyway
[09:12] <VitoGirl> i want to have gcc libc and all on my pc
[09:13] <MidMark> VitoGirl: if you want to compile and waste your time so do that, if you want to become smart then start using packages.ubuntu.com
[09:13] <MidMark> bye
[09:13] <trappist> MidMark: if you're too frustrated to be helpful, don't help.  but don't insult her.
[09:13] <VitoGirl> thx
[09:13] <VitoGirl> im newbie anyway
[09:13] <dalbirdy> ok....i just remarked every source except the last one.....I wanted to upgrade to Edgy from the CD
[09:13] <trappist> VitoGirl: do you not have a kubuntu cd?
[09:13] <VitoGirl> will anyone find for me
[09:13] <VitoGirl> i got it here
[09:13] <cpk1> rich_: sure, are you using dapper or edgy?
[09:13] <MidMark> VitoGirl: I know you are a newbie but you have to listen to people ok?
[09:13] <trappist> VitoGirl: you can install the packages from there
[09:14] <MidMark> bye
[09:14] <rich_> edgy
[09:14] <VitoGirl> wich is the comand?
[09:14] <rich_> fresh install
[09:14] <VitoGirl> trappist
[09:14] <VitoGirl> wich is the command to get pacgages from the cd
[09:15] <Lars_G> Sometimes there's merit to compiling. Not in this case, maybe but somtimes there is
[09:15] <VitoGirl> ill never will unerstand kubuntu or anyone linux
[09:15] <VitoGirl> if i dont know to kompile
[09:15] <VitoGirl> everything in linux starts with comiling makeing installing
[09:15] <Lars_G> that's not true virgilio
[09:15] <Lars_G> VitoGirl:
[09:16] <Lars_G> You can be totally happy in linux and use and understand it without learnign to compile
[09:16] <VitoGirl> ok than
[09:16] <Lars_G> though compiling IS a good tool, specially for using darker software
[09:16] <VitoGirl> so how can i get packages from the cd?
[09:16] <Lars_G> you need to run apt-cdrom
[09:17] <VitoGirl> done
[09:17] <VitoGirl> and now how to get gcc from the cd?
[09:17] <Lars_G> once your cdrom is part of your sources it should, afaik (I can be wrong) predominate the sources.
[09:17] <dalbirdy> lars_G did you see anything on my sources?
[09:18] <Lars_G> so next apt-get install you do should fetch from the cd if it's there
[09:18] <trappist> so, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:18] <Lars_G> let me look at them again in depth.
[09:19] <dalbirdy> i commented all of them out except the cd...kubuntu6.10........I used synaptics and it didnt find anything....but i will use apt-get this time
[09:19] <Lars_G> dalbirdy: Did you run an update after the comments?
[09:19] <dalbirdy> I reloaded if that is what you mean
[09:21] <cpk1> rich_: i dont know about in edgy but in dapper ddcprobe seemed to be pretty useless
[09:21] <gemidjy> http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1848/uyub0.png << ugly splash
[09:21] <Lars_G> sigh bbl
[09:22] <dalbirdy> Lars_G still nothing
[09:22] <rich_> i had no problems in dapper my resolution was 1280X1024 @ 75hz
[09:23] <TheNameless> hello, i have found a (maybe fatal) bug in ubuntu 6.10, what should I do?
[09:23] <Goliath23> TheNameless: what is the bug?
[09:24] <TheNameless> in ubuntu 6.10 are driver installed that not work (it's the rt61 wlan driver), the are buggy with preemt & smp, that also standart is
[09:25] <TheNameless> so if somebody configure the rt61 card, the system won't work (i can't login as root, only recovery work)
[09:25] <Goliath23> TheNameless: i'd suggest the following procedure: 1. google for it. maybe others have the same problem and a solution. maybe you even find hints if someone else reported it. - 2. search launchpad, the ubuntu bug-reporting platform for a similar bug (this can be a bit tricky, its hard to get used to launchpad imo) - 3. if you do not find a similar bug, register a launchpad account and file a bug report.
[09:27] <TheNameless> Goliath23: the problem is known by the developer of the driver (it had the problem before i installed 6.10)
[09:27] <TheNameless> how can i deactivated the driver, so i can install another kernel?
[09:28] <Goliath23> TheNameless: make sure that the bug you are talking about is really ab ubuntu bug. if you installed software from other apt-sources than the default ones, then it most probably is not an ubuntu bug. even if you install software from the default repositories, you still have to think about wether it's more likely that it is a bug in the software itself (kde for example) or a bug in the way that ubuntu uses/deploys this software
[09:28] <Goliath23> TheNameless: what did you do to make the problem appear? did you compile a new kernel?
[09:29] <VitoGirl> well
[09:29] <VitoGirl> i installed the precompiled eggdrop
[09:29] <VitoGirl> now
[09:29] <VitoGirl> i cant find it ?
[09:29] <VitoGirl> were he is ?
[09:29] <VitoGirl> :)
[09:30] <TheNameless> Goliath23: no, I just installed ubuntu 6.10 (not the live cd, with inetnet connection over lan) and then I would configure my network and I woundered why ubuntu found my wireless card
[09:31] <jel> VitoGirl: was it a deb file?
[09:32] <TheNameless> Goliath23: So it must be a standart ubuntu package...
[09:32] <VitoGirl> yes
[09:32] <jel> VitoGirl: try dpkg -L eggdrop
[09:32] <Goliath23> TheNameless: and what happens now? when you start kubuntu?
[09:33] <VitoGirl> i typeed that
[09:33] <VitoGirl> and they finded
[09:33] <VitoGirl> but i want the eggdrop to be on my folder
[09:34] <jel> VitoGirl: you wanted a personal install, for your username; not system-wide?
[09:34] <VitoGirl> yes of course
[09:35] <TheNameless> Goliath23: the card was not configured after the installtion, so i configured it, then I restart (because the configuration crashed), all work normal, I see the login, but after I login to KDE (I have kubuntu) I see only the background, if I change to tty I and I run iwconfig or sudo su the system crash
[09:35] <TheNameless> freezes
[09:36] <VitoGirl> jel?
[09:37] <jel> VitoGirl: sorry, was busy there.
[09:37] <VitoGirl> psybnc is not avaiable on packages
[09:37] <VitoGirl> hehe
[09:38] <VitoGirl> so tell me please jel :)
[09:38] <Goliath23> TheNameless: and you say, that the driver developer knows that his driver freezes the linux kernel? (kde not appearing after system boot more likely has something to do with a faulty video driver. for example a nvidia kernel module that was not compiled against the currently running kernel. which is the case if you customized your kernel and rebuilt it)
[09:38] <TheNameless> it's a problem by the rt61 driver, so I would say the driver are not working yet and should not provided with ubuntu, because they only work on kernels without preemt and smp (the devolper of the driver said this)
[09:38] <Goliath23> TheNameless: that's a bug then, yes!
[09:39] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: tried rt2xx svn (the devicescape based version ?)
[09:39] <Goliath23> TheNameless: best thing to do would be quoting the developer or his driver website in a bugreport created on launchpad then..
[09:39] <jhutchins_wk> Where's opera for edgy?
[09:39] <h3sp4wn> jhutchins_wk: opera.com
[09:40] <h3sp4wn> jhutchins_wk: the etch or sid one is probably closer to edgy than the dapper one but either should work
[09:40] <jhutchins_wk> Wasn't it in the repos for Dapper?
[09:41] <cpk1> http://news.com.com/Intel+pledges+80+cores+in+five+years/2100-1006_3-6119618.html O.o
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> jhutchins_wk: It was in dapper-commercial
[09:41] <VitoGirl> so tell me please jel :)
[09:42] <jel> VitoGirl: umm... you can't really install debs that way.   If eggdrop is  a script that doesn't depend on a certain location, then you could extract it from the deb and install in ~/bin or whatever.  you'd need to remove the deb with apt-get --purge remove eggbot
[09:42] <jhutchins_wk> Goliath23: Is there a way to start kubuntu without starting kdm/X?
[09:42] <TheNameless> h3sp4wn & Goliath23: yes, if have read the forum, they know the bug and say that the driver aren't compatible with preemt & smp ...so i wounder why the driver provided with ubuntu ?
[09:42] <systest> Is it possible to use LVM for a clean install of 6.10?  I can't seem to find that option in the installer.
[09:42] <trappist> jhutchins_wk: not without starting X, no
[09:42] <DaSkreech> Wjat
[09:42] <trappist> jhutchins_wk: do you mean boot without starting X?
[09:42] <DaSkreech> What's with the generic kernel?
[09:43] <jhutchins_wk> trappist: Yeah, just boot to console mode, like runlevel 3 on that other distro.
[09:43] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: For the only ralink card I have the svn rt2xx drivers work great (never used the other ones because I know they suck - ndiswrapper works better than them)
[09:43] <trappist> jhutchins_wk: you could boot to single user mode (the 'recovery' grub option) or you could say sudo update-rc.d -f kdm remove (to turn off kdm starting automatically at boot)
[09:44] <jel> VitoGirl: or just find the website, extract the archive under ~/, and see if it runs :)
[09:44] <jel> VitoGirl: you settled for eggbot instead of psybnc?  What features do you need?
[09:45] <VitoGirl> i need gcc,libc
[09:45] <VitoGirl> all all
[09:45] <TheNameless> h3sp4wn: i think it's only the rt61
[09:45] <VitoGirl> this kubuntu 6.06.1 nothing have
[09:45] <VitoGirl> i want to have eggdrop1.6.18.tar.gz
[09:45] <VitoGirl> but to precompile that eggdrop
[09:45] <VitoGirl> i need gcc, c compiler and allthing
[09:45] <jel> VitoGirl: apt-get install build-essential will get you gcc etc.
[09:45] <VitoGirl> but i dont have internet connection on that pc
[09:45] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: Have you actually tried the other drivers ? (the ralink ones and ones based on them don't work with smp properly)
[09:45] <jel> VitoGirl: oh
[09:46] <VitoGirl> but i got the cd
[09:46] <TheNameless> how can I deactived the driver, so I can start my PC?
[09:46] <TheNameless> deactivate
[09:47] <Goliath23> TheNameless: hm.
[09:47] <Goliath23> TheNameless: what kind of hardware are we talking about?
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: blacklist the module
[09:47] <TheNameless> Goliath23: rt61 is a wireless lan card dirver
[09:48] <TheNameless> h3sp4wn: how to blacklist it?
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> !blacklist
[09:48] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add "blacklist modulename" to the end of that list
[09:48] <TheNameless> thx
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: I would run sudo update-modules after (but I don't know whether that is necessary I do it out of habit)
[09:49] <VitoGirl> does kubuntu support all versions of eggdrop
[09:50] <h3sp4wn> !info rt2x00-source edgy
[09:50] <ubotu> Package rt2x00-source does not exist in edgy
[09:50] <TheNameless> !info rt61-source edgy
[09:50] <ubotu> Package rt61-source does not exist in edgy
[09:50] <Goliath23> TheNameless: the bug seems to be already reported and severity was set to "high" ... please see: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/35474 and check if that is your problem. (also read the comments. one comment also states, that the bug freezes his system on reboot)
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: Its one driver (provides drivers for rt61, rt2400, rt2500, rt2570 some others)
[09:53] <TheNameless> Goliath23: maybe, I must test, if it run without web key
[09:53] <wolf4> I have just installed Helix player, and my sound volume is now diminished, What did I do wrong?
[09:54] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: rt2x00.serialmonkey.com (get the daily svn snapshot and build that or use the deb for rt2x00-source from debian (only dependancies are debhelper and module-assistant)
[09:56] <TheNameless> h3sp4wn: I think rt61 is different to the others, the drivers orignaly all devolped by ralink and now devoloped on rt2x00.sourcefourge.net
[09:57] <TheNameless> h3sp4wn: yes I know the site, I would compile the driver from this site, after i will deactive the preemt & smp
[09:57] <jhutchins_wk> Hey, plf is back!
[09:58] <CotRo|eR> I need to install ISP CONFIG in my ubuntu server .. is there some command? any help pls?
[09:59] <TheNameless> h3sp4wn: that is what i mean: the driver aren't stable yet, so I wonder why the driver come with ubuntu?
[10:02] <jhutchins_wk> I'm still having trouble with streams.
[10:03] <jhutchins_wk> This one http://12.158.136.253/ActualPopup/kcur.wax  says "media not playable"
[10:03] <jhutchins_wk> This one: http://129.237.213.240/asxgen/wmtencoder/kpr2.wma.asx  Shows activity on the "analyser", but I get no sound.
[10:04] <jhutchins_wk> They both work on my Mandriva 2007 box.  I have followed the instructions on the Restricted Formats page.
[10:04] <wolf4> Is there a way to alter the stream speed on a slow connection?
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: The svn ones are a complete rewrite
[10:05] <jhutchins_wk> wolf4: I don't see one for the first source...
[10:06] <jhutchins_wk> Second one says 28.8 modem or better.
[10:06] <VitoGirl> well
[10:06] <VitoGirl> now i have problems installing nerolinux :D
[10:06] <VitoGirl> damnnnnn
[10:06] <VitoGirl> any one to help me
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: The apparantly unstable ones work better than any of the others in my experience (as did madwifi-ng before it was in ubuntu)
[10:06] <VitoGirl> it says i need libglib1.2
[10:06] <VitoGirl> and libgtk1.2
[10:06] <VitoGirl> :)
[10:07] <wolf4> use apt-get and install it individually.
[10:07] <VitoGirl> how?
[10:07] <VitoGirl> from cd?
[10:07] <wolf4> open konsole and type apt-get
[10:08] <jhutchins_wk> wolf4: VitoGirl has no inet connection.
[10:08] <wolf4> sorry type aptitude
[10:08] <TheNameless> h3sp4wn: no they don't, i see the driver from the site and the from ralink, they based on the ralink
[10:08] <wolf4> can somebody ping you from an outside source?
[10:08] <cpk1> grrr amarok 1.4.4 is only going to be available on edgy?
[10:08] <|WAL|> my swap partition doesn't mount anymore
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: You are obviously not looking at the right ones
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: They are not based on the ralink ones (they use a backported devicescape stack)
[10:11] <TheNameless> h3sp4wn: i mean the driver on http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: There is multiple drivers on there (you want rt2x00 - the beta driver its complete rewrite and does not have the problems with smp or preempt)
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless:   rt2x00 BETA Testing
[10:13] <cpk1> why is amarok 1.4.4 only available on edgy?
[10:13] <TheNameless> h3sp4wn: mean you the rt61 or the other driver, I mean the rt61 and  they are a exception
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: Are you listening to anything I am attempting to tell you ? rt2x00 has a driver for rt61
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: rt61pci.c
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: (in the sourcecode so I am certain it is there)
[10:16] <|WAL|> my swap partition doesn't mount anymore
[10:16] <TheNameless> cpk1: with smp & preemt enabled kernel & 64bit?
[10:17] <TheNameless> h3sp4wn: yes, i could show you, it, but the site down work yet :/
[10:17] <xst> Since edgy, X has been broken for most Matrox cards. A bug has been filed for long time ago (http://tinyurl.com/y8o6z7) but it seems to be ignored by the maintainer. What can I do then?
[10:17] <cpk1> TheNameless: no to 64bit but i think smp and prempt is on
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> TheNameless: The driver is edgy is the legacy one (which is the broken one)
[10:18] <TheNameless> cpk1: thats the problem i think :/
[10:19] <cpk1> h3sp4wn: so I shouldnt use the source package from dapper?
[10:19] <cpk1> h3sp4wn: to get rt61 to work?
[10:19] <jhutchins_wk> !mp3
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[10:20] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: No use the source package from etch or sid (and build it with module-assistant) that would be the easiest way (package is called rt2x00-source)
[10:21] <cpk1> well sounds more annoying than its worth =P
[10:22] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: After you have installed the deb its one line
[10:23] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: sudo module-assistant prepare,update; sudo module-assistant build,install rt2x00
[10:23] <gameplayer> salut
[10:23] <gameplayer> hello may I say...
[10:24] <cpk1> hrmm I have RT2561/RT61 which isnt exactly a rtxx00...
[10:24] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: that is just the name of the generic ralink driver (supports all of them)
[10:25] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: just as madwifi supports different models of atheros cards - rt2x00 is just the name of the project
[10:25] <gameplayer> I have a problem with vi juste after installing kubuntu edgy, can someone help me ?
[10:25] <h3sp4wn> gameplayer: What problem ?
[10:25] <gameplayer> (sorry for my english..)
[10:26] <gameplayer> when I tape i to insert / modify text vi goes mad
[10:26] <gameplayer> it show letters when i use arrows
[10:26] <gameplayer> backspace doesn't work...
[10:26] <h3sp4wn> gameplayer: instead of loading it as vi - run it as vim
[10:26] <gameplayer> it's the same
[10:27] <h3sp4wn> gameplayer: What shell do you use (if it is zsh I can help you otherwise not sure)
[10:27] <gameplayer> i use the default kubuntu shell
[10:28] <h3sp4wn> in xterm ?
[10:28] <gameplayer> konsole
[10:29] <h3sp4wn> sounds like a problem with TERM or keymapping but I use neither konsole or bash so don't really know what to suggest
[10:29] <gameplayer> ok
[10:29] <steveire> gameplayer: What are you trying to do?
[10:30] <gameplayer> modify file with vi / vim
[10:30] <steveire> ok. And vim is confusing you? Can you not use kate>
[10:30] <h3sp4wn> gameplayer: but in vi you are better off using h, l , j , k (instead of the arrows its faster once you are used to it)
[10:30] <gameplayer> i prefer using vi, faster to load...
[10:31] <gameplayer> ok...
[10:31] <steveire> Have you run through vimtutor?
[10:31] <gameplayer> so i have to remove insert mode to do so
[10:31] <gameplayer> steveire: nope, i kow haow to use vi /vim
[10:31] <dom> gameplayer, you probably need to check your inputrc
[10:31] <h3sp4wn> if it is called as vi (not vim) the arrows would never work in insert mode
[10:32] <gameplayer> oh ?
[10:32] <cpk1> h3sp4wn: is there a 2.6.17 kernel available for dapper?
[10:32] <VitoGirl> how to start sshd on kubuntu
[10:32] <dom> h3sp4wn, vi is just a softlink to vim in (k)ubuntu
[10:32] <gameplayer> i know ther is a file that define an alias for vim instead of vi, what is it ?
[10:33] <dom>  ls -l /etc/alternatives/vi
[10:33] <dom> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2006-10-26 16:29 /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim
[10:33] <VitoGirl> how to start sshd on kubuntu
[10:33] <gameplayer> ==> /usr/bin/vim.tiny exactly
[10:33] <gameplayer> in edgy
[10:34] <h3sp4wn> gameplayer: You want the full vim
[10:34] <dom> oh, actually, it's vim.basic
[10:34] <gameplayer> yep
[10:35] <gameplayer> i want to use vim as I was using it before (maybe the wrong way) with arrows in edit mode and syntax coloration..
[10:35] <_robert> dom: : don't change that manual
[10:35] <dom> _robert, change what?
[10:35] <_robert> man update-alternatives
[10:35] <_robert> the alternatives
[10:36] <VitoGirl> how to start sshd on kubuntu
[10:36] <VitoGirl> how to start sshd on kubuntu
[10:36] <dom> VitoGirl, run adept and install the openssh-server
[10:36] <_robert> install it first with apt-get instsall ssh
[10:36] <cpk1> argh it looks like i am going to be forced to use edgy
[10:36] <gameplayer> openssh no ?
[10:37] <cpk1> what kernel does edgy use?
[10:37] <h3sp4wn> gameplayer: search for vim.basic - with apt-file or whatever (which is what you want)
[10:37] <_robert> and than it starts from alone
[10:37] <dom> cpk1, 2.6.17-10-generic
[10:37] <h3sp4wn> gameplayer: then sudo update-alternatives --config vim
[10:37] <cpk1> blarg
[10:37] <VitoGirl> i dont have internet connection on that pc
[10:37] <h3sp4wn> gameplayer: if you want it to act like vim then run vim - or vi run vi)
[10:37] <cpk1> first amarok and now I need a newer kernel
[10:37] <_robert> VitoGirl: no problem ssh should be also on the cd
[10:38] <KooL4444> how do i edit my dns server manually, when i change it in the interface it works for a little while and then reverts back to a local address which is not a dns server? any clue?
[10:38] <gameplayer> i'll try it..
[10:38] <VitoGirl> how to get from the cd than ? _robert
[10:38] <VitoGirl> whats the command
[10:38] <_robert> VitoGirl: with apt-cdrom you add the cdrom, and than apt-get update and than apt-get install ssh
[10:39] <VitoGirl> tenx
[10:39] <jhutchins_wk> What really bugs me is that it appears to be receiving the stream, but there's no sound, and ONLy with this stream!
[10:39] <jhutchins_wk> mms://129.237.213.240:1755/wmtencoder/kpr2.wma
[10:39] <gameplayer> why in dapper the problem wasn't there ?
[10:40] <jhutchins_wk> ... and on Mandriva it's fine.
[10:40] <_robert> bye
[10:40] <dg6e74> i need some networking help i want this set up using 3 nic cards interet>linux>windows so far i got the intenet to work on the linux box and the second nic card works now im lost someone said something about a dchp sever
[10:40] <KooL4444> what file are the dns entries in?
[10:40] <h3sp4wn> gameplayer: dapper uses vim.basic (wrongly in my opinion as vi) not vim.tiny (which acts as vi should)
[10:42] <VitoGirl> i installed the ssh
[10:42] <VitoGirl> what now?
[10:42] <rav3n> does anybody have any problem with java 1.5.0.8 in edgy ??
[10:42] <dg6e74> i do
[10:42] <rav3n> am having problems runing frostwire and azureus
[10:42] <gameplayer> ok
[10:42] <rav3n> frostiwre keeps doesn't even load the main window and azureus exits after loading giving a VM error
[10:43] <serialzkiller> hello folks
[10:43] <gameplayer> i just check something...
[10:43] <cpk1> rav3n: whats the error for frostwire if you run it from a terminal?
[10:43] <VitoGirl> i installed the ssh , now hot to start it?
[10:43] <gameplayer> maybe it's better when i install vim package with apt-get... *blush*
[10:44] <serialzkiller> yes ssh
[10:44] <serialzkiller> love it
[10:44] <serialzkiller> you learn to hack true ssh  ????
[10:44] <rav3n> the funny thing is that it doesn't load from terminal  gives    runFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")
[10:45] <sinbad44> i cant seem to change all my kubuntu app backgrounds to dark, what gives ??
[10:45] <VitoGirl> i installed the ssh , now hot to start it?
[10:45] <andre> hey all
[10:45] <rav3n> azureus gives me :
[10:45] <rav3n> An unexpected error has been detected by HotSpot Virtual Machine:
[10:45] <rav3n> #
[10:45] <rav3n> #  SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0xb05e0d02, pid=24560, tid=3085285040
[10:45] <sinbad44> for example i cant change all konqueror website backgrounds to dark
[10:45] <sinbad44> help
[10:46] <cpk1> rav3n: that is an easy fix for frostwire, and are you using the sun java?
[10:46] <VitoGirl> i installed the ssh , now hot to start it?
[10:46] <VitoGirl> i installed the ssh , now hot to start it?
[10:46] <Furesho> hey, in my aliases in Konversation, how to i set it up to do more than one command?
[10:46] <rav3n> ofcourse
[10:46] <gameplayer> h3sp4wn: thanks for your help
[10:46] <serialzkiller> yes your hot 2 start it
[10:47] <loz> good evening everyone
[10:47] <cpk1> rav3n: kdesu kate /usr/bin/frostwire and change sh runFrost.sh to bash runFrost.sh
[10:48] <serialzkiller> yes simbat HELP shoot
[10:48] <gameplayer> see ya everybody
[10:49] <dg6e74> anyone know the command to setup a dchp server
[10:49] <rav3n> cpk1: hey!!! you're the man :D :D lol
[10:49] <InteliWasp> !xorg
[10:49] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:49] <loz> anyone know how to install limewire on edgy?
[10:49] <rav3n> cpk1: it worked like a charm, may i know wht was the exact erroe i mean wht is the diff bet. sh and bash ??
[10:49] <loz> or recomend a good peer to peer?
[10:50] <cpk1> rav3n: dapper changed from using bash to dash
[10:50] <cpk1> err edgy
[10:50] <cpk1> dapper used bash edgy uses dash now
[10:50] <rav3n> cpk1: Ooh I see...thanks
[10:50] <rav3n> cpk1: a lot...
[10:52] <cpk1> rav3n: go to #azureus-support to get better help with azureus
[10:52] <rav3n> cpk1: okay, i'll give it a try, thanks.
[10:52] <cpk1> rav3n: and take a look at hs_err*log?
[10:53] <dg6e74> im a bit confused i got a intenet connection cause irc works but firefox and kopete does not workd
[10:54] <dg6e74> any ideas on what i can do to fix
[10:55] <naegling23> I want to share folders across my network(kubuntu and ubuntu computers) what should I use, samba or nfs?
[10:55] <CVirus> dg6e74: have you tried restarting your IRC client and see whether it will still work or not ?
[10:55] <dg6e74> no
[10:56] <dg6e74> y would i want it to stop working
[10:56] <CVirus> dg6e74: before you do that
[10:56] <CVirus> dg6e74: to diagnos the problem
[10:56] <CVirus> dg6e74: most probably its a DNS problem
[10:56] <CVirus> dg6e74: maybe your client is caching a certain DNS entry so thats why its working
[10:56] <dg6e74> im new to linux and wanna learn why nothing ever works right for me
[10:57] <CVirus> dg6e74: we'll solve this problem first then see what else isnt working
[10:57] <dg6e74> i think i need to set up this pc as a dhcp server
[10:57] <mw46_1> hi;-)
[10:57] <CVirus> dg6e74: kdesu kate /etc/resolv.conf
[10:58] <CVirus> dg6e74: and add appropriate DNS entries that were supplied by your ISP
[10:58] <dg6e74> um....
[10:58] <CVirus> dg6e74: and check your browser once again and see whether it will work or not
[10:58] <dg6e74> kdesu kate /etc/resolv.conf what do i do with this
[10:59] <rav3n> join #azureus-support
[11:00] <InteliWasp> i am trying to get xorg to work but it is no longer detecting my hardware in the xserver reconfigure program
[11:01] <mycket> InteliWasp: which means?
[11:03] <InteliWasp> mycket:  im going on 5 days of hell getting this computer to work... and this is the last problem on my priority list
[11:04] <mycket> InteliWasp: Computer are stupid! try   less /var/log/Xorg.0.log  in a console
[11:05] <InteliWasp> mycket:  for some reason the original drivers that was installe did not work and after i tried the fglrx drivers, it was tring to load 3 sets all of the sudden
[11:05] <Xal2> Hi
[11:05] <Xal2> I recently changed my hard drive controller, and now my linux partition is different.
[11:06] <rav3n> where can i file the script responsible fro launching the konsole
[11:06] <Xal2> I changed the boot in grub and mount point of / in fstab, but now I'm having problems with KDE.
[11:06] <rav3n> find*
[11:06] <Xal2> For example, some of my system settings modules are not working. I get the following error: "An error occured during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module" or "You have old third party modules lying around"
[11:06] <Xal2> I haven't changed anything, though.
[11:06] <mycket> InteliWasp: in /var/log your system logs what's happening. So does X.org. Look at the logfiles and you (hopefully) find a error message. Then you know where to look at
[11:07] <mycket> InteliWasp: btw some logfiles can only be read as superuser...
[11:10] <InteliWasp> mycket:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29613/   this is my old xorg file with fglrx installed
[11:12] <sinbad44> anyone know if its even possible to change my konqueror website background color to dark or do i have to install firefox ??
[11:12] <InteliWasp> is anyone having a problem with xmms in edgy?
[11:12] <mycket> InteliWasp: Hmmm... /dev/wacom sounds like a graphic tablet. Do you have one connected?
[11:13] <InteliWasp> that is a default thing...
[11:15] <rav3n> i have a texas instrument media 5-in-1 multimedia card reader that gives me : tifm_7xx1: sd card detected in socket 1 : when i dmesg
[11:16] <rav3n> any idea how can i mount it?
[11:17] <SoloSeKNoSeNada> how do you say programming in english ? what channel is ?
[11:17] <mycket> InteliWasp: does your X server work? Or just console and no kde?
[11:17] <SoloSeKNoSeNada> If i want to ask programming questions
[11:18] <InteliWasp> mycket:  with the setting from then x would start but after logging in it would seize up and i had to hard eset
[11:18] <InteliWasp> *reboot
[11:18] <rav3n> how to mount media card in media card reader?
[11:18] <rav3n> !help
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[11:19] <dre> just ask solo,think people will understand this
[11:23] <rav3n> well, if my flash media card not automatically mounted does that mean it's not supoorted?
[11:25] <mycket> InteliWasp: you use 6.10, right? i went back to 6.06 because of stability problems... Did you try to move /etc/xorg.conf to somewhere else and then reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[11:27] <InteliWasp> mycket:  yes i am trying to redo the xorg, but it only shows generic drivers for vid vard and monitor
[11:29] <intelikey> InteliWasp what app ?
[11:30] <intelikey> !reconfigure
[11:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reconfigure - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:30] <intelikey> !xorg
[11:30] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:31] <InteliWasp> intelikey:  what do you mean?
[11:32] <intelikey> i have no context for the statement "i am trying to redo the xorg,"  i just got here...
[11:32] <intelikey> so i was asking how you are going about this "redoing"
[11:33] <InteliWasp> oh, the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:33] <redtricycle> Um.
[11:33] <intelikey> ok.   if you are trying to use ati or nvidia drivers they wont show in that, you'll need to edit xorg.conf dirrectly
[11:33] <redtricycle> is 40 deg celsius too hot for inside the case?
[11:34] <InteliWasp> i'm starting to think about going back to 6.06...
[11:34] <mycket> InteliWasp: try to comment out the sections in xorg.conf. btw i have wacom errors too in my logs - but kde and x work fine and dont't have a tablet :-)
[11:34] <InteliWasp> redtricycle:  nope thats good
[11:34] <redtricycle> thanks, InteliWasp
[11:35] <mycket> InteliWasp: 6.10 still seems to be unstable :-(
[11:35] <InteliWasp> redtricycle:  if it get higher than 60, the start to worry a bit...
[11:35] <InteliWasp> mycket:  no kidding...
[11:35] <redtricycle> Yeah, I gotta fix a bunch of stuff with 6.10
[11:35] <redtricycle> Like...I can't shutdown unless it's from konsole
[11:35] <redtricycle> -_-
[11:35] <intelikey> redtricycle that would kinda depend on the ambiant temp.   if it's 0C outside the case that's way to hot.  but if it's 35C out side and 40C inside that's about right.
[11:36] <redtricycle> 35 is waaay hot
[11:36] <redtricycle> Hell...30 is hot for me
[11:36] <mycket> redtricycle: i can shutdown: power off :-))
[11:36] <redtricycle> T.T
[11:36] <redtricycle> But yeah, if you shutdown from the GUI
[11:36] <redtricycle> it just hangs at shutdown
[11:36] <redtricycle> I have to type "shutdown -h now" @ the term
[11:38] <InteliWasp> on a side note, how do i make the applet icons stack on each other?
[11:39] <intelikey> redtricycle possably an error in the halt script in /etc/init.d
[11:40] <redtricycle> hrm
[11:40] <redtricycle> i'll go look
[11:41] <redtricycle> If I CAN use the terminal shutdown -h, I'd think the halt script is fine
[11:41] <redtricycle> Maybe the kde call to the shutdown does something?
[11:41] <redtricycle> It's just odd
[11:43] <mycket> redtricycle: the manpage says "
[11:43] <mycket> hutdown does its job by signalling the init pro
[11:43] <mycket>        cess, asking it to change the runlevel.
[11:43] <InteliWasp> is there anyway to get the system tray icons to go 2 rows?
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> redtricycle: try xdm instead of kdm
[11:43] <mycket> so it talks to the kernel i think?!?
[11:43] <redtricycle> What's that?
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> redtricycle: or just don't run a login manager - go into x with startx
[11:43] <redtricycle> xdm?
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> !info xdm edgy
[11:43] <intelikey> redtricycle the init halt script is calling   " halt -d -f -i $poweroff $hddown "     you might adjust that and just see if that's where the error lies
[11:43] <ubotu> xdm: X display manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.0.5-1 (edgy), package size 160 kB, installed size 756 kB
[11:44] <dom> huh, why would kmail's default encoding be US ASCII instead of Unicode?
[11:45] <intelikey> dom why noy ?
[11:45] <intelikey> not
[11:46] <dom> cause ASCII doesn't support any characters other then a-zA-Z and no diacritical marks
[11:46] <intelikey> and your locale is ?
[11:47] <dom> UTF-8
[11:47] <cellofellow> anyone know how to use the pop3s:/ kioslave in konqueror? with gmail?
[11:48] <mw46_1> kmail?
[11:48] <dom> that's the encoding set in sys prefs -> country/regiion -> spell checker ... I don't see encoding anywhere else
[11:48] <unbooto> how do I disable gui mode, or set the init level not to load services at "boot:"  on the live cd?
[11:49] <rav3n> anybody knows how to moung media card in edgy?? it's detected in dmesg
[11:49] <intelikey> dpkg -l | grep -ie 'language-support'
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> unbooto: man update-rc.d (you need to update-rc.d -f kdm remove)
[11:50] <dom> intelikey, ii  language-support-en                        6.06+20060529                        metapackage for English language support
[11:50] <cellofellow> I usually just use the gmail interface, but do have pop enabled. I want to download one particular message with pop, and thought that the pop3s:/ protocol in konqueror would show messages as files. It opens kmail instead, but then says malformed url.
[11:50] <intelikey> dom that might be it.....
[11:50] <unbooto> h3sp4wn: no, you see.. its on a machine where theres only a live-cd, i cant setup init.d
[11:51] <dom> still, US-ASCII is a little dated
[11:51] <mycket> unbooto: did you look at the cheatcodes? F2 or F3 at the bootprompt i think
[11:52] <dom> is there a language pack that would replace "en" do you suppose?
[11:52] <cellofellow> hmmm, pop3s:// doesn't work as expected.
[11:52] <joscha> is icq @ kopete dead again?
[11:52] <intelikey> apt-cache search language-support
[11:53] <fdoving> joscha: yes, updated packages at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/
[11:53] <joscha> fdoving: ah thank you very much
[11:53] <felixjet> is there anyway to backup all my system preferences, themes, etc?
[11:54] <felixjet> in a simple way
[11:54] <felixjet> at least for KDE & konqueror configs
[11:54] <unbooto> is there any "boot:" flag to make the live-cd not load all the services, x and kde?
[11:54] <fdoving> felixjet: backup ~/.kde/
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> felixjet: just backup ~/.kde
[11:54] <cellofellow> felixjet: /home/foo/.kde holds all that
[11:54] <felixjet> okey
[11:54] <felixjet> thanks
[11:55] <intelikey> unbooto i havent any
[11:55] <felixjet> uhm
[11:55] <felixjet> backup is not a shell command right?
[11:55] <felixjet> xD
[11:55] <joscha> no
[11:55] <felixjet> ill try keep
[11:56] <intelikey> unbooto one could add init=/bin/bash    if needed.....
[11:56] <cellofellow> intelikey: I guess that unbooto is thinking of knoppix. the boot option "knoppix 2" loads just a CLI system. Don't think kubuntu is designed that way though.
[11:56] <fdoving> felixjet: no, you can use 'tar -cjvf dot-kde.tar.bz2 ~/.kde/' from the shell.. for example.
[11:56] <fdoving> .. or try keep.
[11:56] <mycket> felixjet: cp -r $HOME/.kde /whatever ...
[11:56] <cox377> is there anyway to take control over another kubuntu machine from this kubuntu machine to do things like updates and install / uninstall software and just general commands?
[11:56] <intelikey> cellofellow ummm hummm
[11:57] <fdoving> cox377: ssh
[11:57] <joscha> cox377: ssh
[11:57] <dom> intelikey, actually the "locale" command gives the locale:
[11:57] <dom> % locale
[11:57] <dom> LANG=en_CA.UTF-8
[11:57] <cox377> fdoving: Ok, so i gotta install SSH on the host computer?
[11:57] <cellofellow> cox377: ssh works for me. with X forwarding, you can even run graphical programs. Install "ssh" on both machines.
[11:58] <intelikey> dom yeah but that's base system not kde...
[11:58] <cox377> cellofellow: do u know exactly what i have to install on both machines?
[11:58] <fdoving> cox377: yes, openssh-server on the hosts,
[11:58] <mycket> cox377: on your pc ssh on the other sshd
[11:58] <cellofellow> cox377: na, ssh is a metapackage that installs both the server and client.
[11:59] <cellofellow> cox377: install that
[11:59] <cox377> lol so many contridictions
[11:59] <joscha> install package "ssh" on booth computers
[11:59] <intelikey> ssh is a meda pack that installs both the server and client
[11:59] <cox377> Ok, coolio cheers for that
[11:59] <intelikey> as of 6.6 anyway
[11:59] <cellofellow> intelikey: that's exactly what I said.
[11:59] <joscha> and then ssh <ip of other computer> -l<loginname on other computer>
[11:59] <intelikey> cellofellow sure is.
[11:59] <joscha> with sftp (included in ssh) you can even copy files between both pcs
[11:59] <cellofellow> cox377: ssh -X user@hostnameorip
[12:00] <cox377> joscha: N1, just the job, i thought it maybe SSH because i use SSH on my smoothwall but i wasn't exactly sure
[12:00] <fdoving> fish://hostnameorip/ is nice too.
[12:00] <fdoving> in konqueror, that is.
[12:01] <intelikey> fish ?
[12:01] <intelikey> :)
[12:01] <cox377> fdoving: so once ssh is installed i can just punch fish into kongueror
[12:01] <cellofellow> intelikey: in konqueroro
[12:01] <fdoving> cox377: yes.
[12:01] <intelikey> cellofellow rms who ?
[12:01] <h3sp4wn> shfs is much more useful than fish for me
[12:01] <cellofellow> intelikey: what about rms?
[12:02] <cox377> cellofellow: so just apt-get install ssh on both machines, activate on server side and away i go?
[12:02] <sinbad44> u guys ARE kidding me right ?  u mean to tell me i cant even control background colors in konqueror or kde menus ??!
[12:02] <sinbad44> that fuckin sux
[12:02] <cellofellow> cox377: apt-get will even turn on the daemon for ya. just do it. no sweat.
[12:03] <intelikey> sinbad44 yes they are kidding you.
[12:03] <LjL> !language | sinbad44
[12:03] <ubotu> sinbad44: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:03] <cellofellow> sinbad44: you can, it's just hidden. try kcontrol
[12:03] <cox377> cellofellow: do you mean once installed that's it?
[12:03] <sinbad44> kcontrol ok thx
[12:03] <intelikey> sinbad44 it's all in kcontrol
[12:03] <cellofellow> cox377: after the installation apt-get, or at least aptitude, will turn on the sshd daemon, and you can use it after that.
[12:04] <felixjet> how can i make konqueror to remember the window's size :( im tired of resize a window everytime it opens, cause fill almost all desktop!
[12:04] <cellofellow> cox377: then you can connect.
[12:04] <cox377> how do i turn on the sshd daemon?
[12:04] <sinbad44> i dont see kcontrol
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> Has anyone managed to setup a system using 2 keyboards and monitors (one with X and one just a framebuffer console - I can set up cinerama fine but want a console)
[12:04] <dom> sinbad44, system settings
[12:04] <cellofellow> sinbad44: Alt+F2 type kcontrol it aint in the menu.
[12:04] <sinbad44> ahh ok
[12:04] <intelikey> felixjet the left upper corner button of the window in question.   set the exteneded properties to remember the size/location
[12:05] <fdoving> felixjet: right click on the titleline -> advanced -> special window settings.. or something like that.
[12:05] <cellofellow> window-specific settings are nice but sort of a bore.
[12:05] <felixjet> thanks!
[12:05] <ubuntu> i think this ubuntu project is really gonna help linux go mainstream. its amazing how simple it is becoming to install/customize now
[12:06] <cellofellow> you must have just installed ubuntu
[12:06] <ubuntu> ive been a long time gentoo user
[12:06] <ubuntu> im installing kubuntu on my laptop
[12:06] <michael___> hello ! is there anyone ?
[12:06] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:06] <cellofellow> ubuntu:wowserzs. big difference when installing
[12:07] <ubuntu> yes..
[12:07] <mycket> no :-)
[12:07] <ubuntu> thats linux's only setback of going mainstream, is usability
[12:07] <BluesKaj> I hear gentoo is a bitch to install
[12:07] <michael___> I need help vith java enviroment. can U help ?
[12:07] <ubuntu> its not a bitch to install, its just boring.. heh
[12:07] <cellofellow> michael___: we were half quiet for 2o seconds and you thought noone was here?
[12:07] <cellofellow> michael___: sun?
[12:07] <intelikey> ubuntu i don't see it as any "simpler to install/customize now" than 3 years ago really.
[12:08] <michael___> Yes - I need it for my webbank
[12:08] <ubuntu> oh.. well i just used it. and coming from me who's used gentoo and slackware. this is really simple and stable
[12:08] <cellofellow> michael___: install sun-java5-jre with apt-get, NOT adept.
[12:08] <BluesKaj> for me it was , but that was 2 yrs ago when I was less than mediocre at linux tasks , now I'm just mediocre :)
[12:08] <sinbad44> why is adept so so slow at installing ??
[12:09] <intelikey> ubuntu hehhe yeah it's about where mandrake was three years ago  :)
[12:09] <cellofellow> sinbad44: it sort of seems to take forever to call dpkg. I don't know why.
[12:09] <BluesKaj> sinbad44, the repos are very busy due to the new release
[12:09] <ubuntu> yea.. i tried mandrake long ago. i thought it woul dbe good cause the install was very easy, but when i started using it it was garbage. just a big mess of programs
[12:09] <dom> ubuntu, linux's only setback in going mainstream is distribution.  there's a lot of people that won't or can't a) download a distro or b) install it themselves.  MS and Apple do well because a lot of systems ship with their OS pre-loaded
[12:09] <cox377> cellofellow: i accidently restarted lol, sorry, i've installed ssh how do i start the daemon?
[12:09] <BluesKaj> not impressed with mandrakes hardware recognition
[12:09] <sinbad44> adept downloads fast enough, its just the installing part that hangs, so should i use apt-get on console for installing or ?
[12:10] <cellofellow> cox377: it's already running, init took care of that.
[12:10] <exhale> sinbad44: shure, adept's pretty bad
[12:10] <ubuntu> i think the main setback is the GUI. and its useability. if you want something in linux to work you have to do alot of research etc to get it working sometimes.
[12:10] <cellofellow> cox377: to test, type ssh localhost
[12:10] <cellofellow> at konsole
[12:10] <cox377> Ok, can i test a system by logging in within that own machine, if u see what i'm saying
[12:10] <michael___> hmm ... apt-get can not find the package sun-java5-jre :-(
[12:10] <cellofellow> cox377: yes
[12:10] <dom> ubuntu, basic operation stuff can easily be addressed during system installation
[12:11] <cpk1> michael___: you need multiverse enabled
[12:11] <ubuntu> im talkin about when you are in the os
[12:11] <sinbad44> i remember the dapper 5.10 installer worked fine, maybe i should go back to dapper ?
[12:11] <ubuntu> just simple stuff
[12:11] <cox377> cellofellow: "ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused"
[12:11] <dom> ubuntu, like what?
[12:11] <intelikey> ubuntu i guess it's all in what you want to propagate.
[12:11] <cox377> cellofellow: do i have to open it on the firewall?
[12:11] <ubuntu> like when i tried to get flash working in linux under gentoo i had to look around and find out how to get it working, and thats just one of the things
[12:11] <cellofellow> michael___: it's in multiverse. oops. sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and add "multiverse" after wherever you see universe.
[12:11] <cellofellow> cox377: not unless you configured your firewall already.
[12:11] <cellofellow> cox
[12:12] <michael___> Thanks !! Ill try that :-)
[12:12] <cox377> cellofellow: yes
[12:12] <cox377> ?
[12:12] <cellofellow> cox377: maybe it isn't running. ps -A | grep sshd to see
[12:12] <dom> ubuntu, if the system was pre-loaded by a vendor, automatix could be one of the provided packages.  then installing flash, wmv, mp3, mov and any of that kind of stuff is trivial
[12:12] <cox377> "ps -A | grep sshd"
[12:12] <intelikey> ubuntu you are talking about "propritary" krap on an open sourse system....  don't mix them and you wont have that problem
[12:12] <ubuntu> heh