" of distribution-mirrors.pt === carlos -> lunch [02:52] salgado: what would you want to add it there? [02:53] I thought it could be because the 2col main template didn't have the help slot, but changing it to the normal main_template doesn't work [02:53] salgado: what would you want to add it there? [02:53] SteveA, https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileJAvKVy.html [02:54] the help slot in malone-index.pt goes immediately above the [02:54] did you try that? [02:55] yeah, that works [02:55] weird [02:55] also [02:55] use the same markup as in malone-index.pt [02:55] kiko: if you look at https://help.launchpad.net/VcsImportRequests, you'll see that it pretty much does not work. And what does seem to do so for no good reason... [02:55] you have: [02:55]

[02:56] malone-index.pt has [02:56]

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[02:56] [02:56] SteveA, on mpt's email he said to not use the

when we have a single paragraph [02:56] does it look okay in the rendered page? [02:57] SteveA, also, I'd like to show the help text only if mirrors_by_country is not empty; that's why I added it under that tal:condition [02:57] (I did the same on another template and it worked just fine) [02:57] that doens't make sens [02:57] e [02:57] this help text is on every page, all the time [02:58] if you want to do conditional help text, you need to do a tal:condition inside the help text itself [02:58] but, I'm concerned that you want to show help text only sometimes [02:58] we should provide help text all the time [02:59] so, I say, use more words to explain the different conditions, but keep the code simple [03:00] okay [03:01] is there a config variable that I can change somewhere, so that I can see the help text? [03:02] no [03:02] there will be a page you see it on when stuart and I get the beta server running [03:02] and also a page to look over all the help text on one page [03:03] ah, okay === jelmer [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [03:05] hi jelmer, flacoste [03:05] hi LarstiQ! [03:08] hi LarstiQ, flacoste === LarstiQ grins === _thumper_ [n=tim@tpsoft.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@unaffiliated/lotusleaf] has joined #launchpad === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #launchpad [03:17] hey mdz [03:17] morning [03:20] that would be the jetlag then === Nafallo is now known as N === N is now known as Nafallo === xenru|clone [n=Miranda@3-85.rdm.ru] has joined #launchpad [03:45] Should we be dynamic in page help text? [03:45] no [03:45] Ok [03:45] keep it straightforward [03:46] and use more words if you need to describe different cases [03:46] we can look at being dynamic etc. later on once it is in production === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad [04:23] flacoste: hi [04:23] SteveA: hi! [04:23] flacoste: today, I'm reminding everyone about adding 1.0 help text to their templates. [04:24] the faq about it so far is: [04:24] - how do I do it? [04:24] SteveA: ok, will land some later [04:24] answer, see mpt's email and malone-index.pt. add a div or

immediately before the tag === lotusleaf_ [n=lotuslea@ip68-6-130-7.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #launchpad [04:24] - should I make it dynamic? [04:24] i already discussed my questions with mpt last thursday [04:25] answer, no, don't make it dynamic. use more words if you need to explain things that can change. [04:25] - can I see it on a page [04:25] answer, no, not yet. you will be able to when stuart and I get the 1.0 beta server running [04:26] SteveA, so, the tal:condition inside the metal:fill-slot="help" you suggested earlier is not allowed? [04:27] ddaa, ping? [04:27] I think it would be more confusing than helpful at this stage [04:27] kiko: pouet [04:27] ddaa, est-ce que vous etes un marin? [04:27] give or take an accent [04:27] good answer [04:28] I need help with 4 checkin messages [04:28] can I privmsg you> [04:28] non, je n'ai pas un chapeau ponpon [04:28] ddaa: pouet.net? [04:28] kiko: as you wish [04:29] LarstiQ: this is not me [04:33] it is me though [04:35] well, I'm happy you two cleared that up! === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad [04:35] New bug: #69513 in launchpad-bazaar "cscvs blows on svn:externals" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69513 [04:39] LarstiQ: ha, I knew this domain name was familiar [04:55] New bug: #69517 in launchpad-bazaar "cscvs blows on svn file names that must be uri-encoded" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69517 === ddaa -> shops === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #launchpad === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@unaffiliated/lotusleaf] has joined #Launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #launchpad ["Bye"] === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [06:28] kiko-fud: ping [06:32] anyone reading this? i think FreeNode is going crazy over here === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [06:43] flacoste: hello === daq4th [n=darkness@netstation-005.cafe.zSeries.org] has joined #launchpad [06:44] SteveA: hello again, i have your DVDs on my desk :-) [06:44] hey, I've got an interesting communication problem here [06:45] SteveA: do you want to know their titles now or do you prefer to have surprise? [06:45] I like surprises [06:46] then a surprise it will be [06:46] some guy sent me an email at the end of june asking information how to implement arab language support for texmacs (my previous job was working on this software), since he appears to be doing a thesis on this subject [06:46] and he just sent me another mail saying that he did not make progress and that the main author did not help him... apparently he has not produced a patch so far... [06:46] I would like to have suggestions on non-sociopathic ways of saying "until you've got a patch your worthless, and anyway I'm really not interesting in this software anymore, so leave me alone". [06:48] I'd say "it sounds like it's a difficult task. I'm sorry that I can't help you, but I don't work on this software anymore." [06:50] not too bad... I would like to find a way to convey the notion that asking broad and difficult questions and not trying to actually do stuff with the code is considered quite rude... [06:50] why? [06:50] education? [06:51] this kind of people can be a real drain, they need to understand that they need to JFDsomething to get any serious attention. [06:53] yessss [06:53] flacoste, what's up? [06:53] ddaa: why are they a real drain? [06:54] maybe they're a drain on you because you let them be, by thinking of trying to educate them? [06:54] They can be a drain when you spend the time to research and answer their questions, and then get nothing in return. [06:54] kiko: have time to review my SQL migration script... and maybe try it out on staging? [06:55] flacoste, I don't have write access to staging [06:55] and I am not a good pick for reviews as I have reports to write :-( [06:55] I certainly do not want to discourage this kind of effort, but there seems to be a cultural disconnect at work. [06:55] flacoste: I'm currently using staging for some urgent stuff [06:56] ddaa, you shouldn't worry so much about such things [06:56] well... I'm on a rather good day, so I'm trying not be a sociopath today.... [06:56] ddaa: it will drive you to consume coffee and cigarettes, and have high blood pressure [06:56] yes [06:57] these in turn have been linked to high mortality rates [06:57] but who am I kidding? [06:57] SteveA: would you have the time for the review and executing the script on staging once your urgent matter is taken care of? [06:57] well... I guess, I'm just going to be sociopath, since that seems to be considered acceptable behaviour under the circumstances. [07:00] flacoste: probably not. it is late here [07:02] ok, i'll try to find somebody else [07:08] ddaa: I disagree [07:08] ddaa: I think my proposed email was polite and gets the job done. [07:09] yeah, I was a bit tongue in cheek [07:10] it doesn't work on irc [07:10] I'm using the same general tone you suggested, but being a bit more verbose, and suggesting to post a patch to the developers mailing list that implements some visible results to earn credibility. === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [07:12] since it seems that this guys does not get how the code-for-attention trade works... [07:13] carlos, ping? === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [07:20] ddaa: it's like if someone asks you for money on the street. you can choose to give them money. you can choose to ignore them. you can choose to tell them how they should ask for money in a different way that you think is better. [07:20] personally, I go for the "shit or get off the pot" policy -- either give them money or ignore them and move along. [07:22] you mean GET A JOB [07:22] I see. If I follow this metaphor, this would be a guy that comes from a country when it's customary to give money to new people in town, so they can get settled and become productive members of society. I think it's helpful to explain that in this country, things work differently and you have to get a job first. [07:24] but maybe it's just hopeless... [07:24] anyway, the email is written and sent, now I'm replying to BjornT's review comments :) [07:26] "hey! didn't you read the code, it's clearly spelled out! Unless the expression does not miss the optional argument, the required elements will not be removed from the missing list. Crystal clear!" [07:28] ddaa: /win 5 [07:28] SteveA: ? [07:29] you win 5 [07:29] Cool. Can I have a beer and pizza with that? [07:30] ddaa: yes [07:30] ddaa: so, I have a bzr question. how do I get a diff that represents the changes on the last 3 revisions of a branch I'm working on [07:30] ? [07:31] bzr diff -r-3 [07:31] thanks [07:31] assuming the working tree is pristine [07:31] otherwise it's "bzr diff -r-3..-1" [07:32] mh [07:32] give or take one fence post [07:33] ok [07:43] SteveA: if someone asks me for change I say "Change comes from within" [07:46] I like that. Although, personally I use a trouser pocket. [07:48] LaunchBag? [07:54] what is the matter with you people? === flacoste-lunch [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [08:28] salgado: ping [08:28] flacoste, pong [08:29] salgado: do you have time for a quick review, it's not even 30 lines [08:30] flacoste, sure [08:30] let me just finish a review I'm doing for BjornT. is that okay, flacoste? [08:30] salgado: it's a new data migration script for the support tracker workflow [08:31] real simple SQL [08:31] hey, can a few people here try "svn ls svn://svn.debian.org/d-i/trunk/installer" and tell me if the get something from the server? [08:32] same thing with "svn ls https://forgesvn1.novell.com/svn/flaim/trunk" [08:32] salgado: np [08:32] ddaa, connection refused in the first case [08:32] and a request failed on the second [08:32] ddaa: svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.debian.org': Connection refused [08:32] okay... so it's probably not something with me === ddaa -> dinner [08:33] ddaa: svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/flaim/trunk' [08:33] svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/flaim/trunk': could not connect to server (https://forgesvn1.novell.com) [08:34] flacoste, actually, it may need stub's stamp since it's only SQL, no? [08:35] salgado: once you're done with BjornT's review, you can take a look at https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/file5LYLIq.html [08:35] I can review it, but I guess he'll run it only after reviewing [08:36] salgado: it is, ok, so i'll send the diff to him Cc: the review list === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === robey [n=robey@tavi.lag.net] has joined #launchpad [08:46] i'm having another UI-confusion issue [08:46] can anyone tell me how to change the status of a bug to "confirmed"? === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [08:47] robey, click on a row on the "Affects" column [08:48] that sounds quite confusing. even more confusing than the UI, actually [08:48] salgado: it's red text but not clickable [08:49] robey, what page are you looking at? [08:49] (assuming you mean the "Unconfirmed" cell) [08:49] https://launchpad.net/products/paramiko/+bug/68410 [08:49] Malone bug 68410 in paramiko "Install on Mac OS X fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [08:49] robey, you have to click on the "Affects" column. it won't work if you click on another colum. :/ === jelmer [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad [08:50] salgado: AHA! that's it, thanks [08:50] all along i was assuming that went back to paramiko's project page, since the link is called "paramiko" [08:51] should i file a bug against launchpad for that ui? i'm not gonna be the last person flumoxed there :) [08:51] I'm pretty sure we already have a bug for it. that's a well known issue, unfortunately. :/ [08:52] matsubara will find the bug number for us quickly. :) [08:53] bug 1095 [08:53] Malone bug 1095 in malone "Unnecessarily difficult to find how to change status or reassign a bug" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1095 [08:54] there's also bug 44041 [08:54] Malone bug 44041 in malone "Only the leftmost section of the yellow "Affects/Status/Severity/Assigned To" status bar is clickable" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44041 [08:55] robey, ^ [08:56] salgado: thanks :) === robey [n=robey@tavi.lag.net] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] [09:05] New bug: #69563 in rosetta "We need a view to review just translations from a concrete translator" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69563 === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [09:11] am i the only getting disconnected here? === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@unaffiliated/lotusleaf] has left #Launchpad ["clear"] === mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-50-138.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad === lfittl [n=lfittl@83.64.250.38] has joined #launchpad === matthewrevell [i=synchron@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #launchpad [09:38] SteveA: ping === mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad [10:21] ddaa: morning [10:21] morning down there [10:21] how's things ? [10:23] I discovered svn_oo.RevisionRangeParser [10:23] yah [10:23] is that good or bad ? [10:23] terrible [10:23] removed the stuff that was copy-pasted from the cvs code and completely non-functional [10:23] put "raise NotImplementedError" in place [10:24] also discovered how the cscvs command line just plain does not support svn [10:24] and how import just did not handle svn import right, at all... [10:24] you'll see branches about all those issues in PendingReviews :) [10:25] Going pretty well otherwise. Started a bunch of imports to gain confidence in the new code, already had to squash a few bugs, but I think it's right now. [10:25] speaking of branches, are those 3 I asked about doing a test run ? [10:25] you have an email about them [10:26] sweet === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [10:26] I need your help to fix cscvs to handle the squid branches [10:26] opensync appears to work alright with the new cscvs code [10:26] should be in production soon after I gained enough confidence in the new code to roll it out to production [10:35] cool [10:39] lifeless: I'd really like if we could have a session one day where you explain to me how the cvs changeset logic works, and what it's supposed to do... [10:40] everytime I try to figure it out, by brain melts down === ddaa -> bed === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #launchpad [10:57] flacoste: ping [10:57] flacoste: ping [10:57] hmm, slightly more pingage than I'd intended there [10:57] SteveA: pong === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-093-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === poolie [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad [11:40] jamesh: the product release finder should probably be taught how to get .sig files [11:40] jamesh: what do you think ? [11:52] jamesh: also, what o you think about having prf run every [say] 5 minutes, but only probe for releases on each series once a day. That would let series that have their details filled in get checked 'quickly' from a user perspective. [11:52] i'm thinking something where we note that we checked URL + PATTERN on TIME, then if a series changes the pattern, or url, or is new, it gets checked promptly. === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #launchpad