[12:17] <foxhound31> yeah at the moment
[12:17] <foxhound31> i'm actually trying to decide between ubuntu and suse
[12:17] <jjesse> ubuntu of course :)
[12:18] <foxhound31> cos most of all i have decided to dump my windows cos dont need it for anything anymore
[12:18] <Burgwork> we are kind of biased here
[12:18] <foxhound31> indeed :)
[12:18] <foxhound31> if i want a os for myself then its ubuntu
[12:19] <foxhound31> but suse will make inroads into business desktops in the future
[12:19] <foxhound31> so it might be handy to know it for work
[12:20] <foxhound31> can you do an internet install in ubuntu?
[12:21] <Burgwork> yes
[12:22] <foxhound31> great
[12:22] <Burgwork> you can also kickstart it
[12:22] <Burgwork> there is a team in ubuntu to make our centralized management better
[12:23] <foxhound31> its picked up market share a lot lately is that true?
[12:23] <Burgwork> yes
[12:23] <foxhound31> was looking at wine app databse
[12:23] <foxhound31> and taking the stats by distro
[12:23] <foxhound31> ubuntu was out near the top
[12:24] <foxhound31> so looks that way
[12:25] <foxhound31> was also suprised how many games run in wine without anyform of winex cedega
[12:28] <Burgwork> different markets need different things
[12:28] <Burgwork> the gaming market is a giant red herring
[12:28] <Burgwork> enterprise desktops are far more interesting
[12:28] <foxhound31> think so
[12:28] <foxhound31> plus my belief is that longterm the PC wont be a games platform anymore
[12:29] <foxhound31> the companies want a secure platform that they can be sure wont be warezed
[12:29] <foxhound31> and games ripped off
[12:30] <foxhound31> if your in europe Burgwork which country are you in
[12:31] <Burgwork> canada
[12:34] <foxhound31> well not exactley in europe but not exactley non european either
[12:34] <foxhound31> Canada still has a few european parts to its character
[12:35] <foxhound31> I'm in Edinburgh
[12:35] <foxhound31> the one in Scotland
[12:35] <foxhound31> the real one
[12:35] <Burgwork> canada is increasingly european is feel
[12:35] <foxhound31> saw the news from Nova Scotia once
[12:36] <foxhound31> it was like hearing the Scottish news wth a Canadian accent
[12:36] <foxhound31> very strange great tho
[12:42] <foxhound31> yeah will go with ubuntu but get the kde version
[12:42] <foxhound31> see you
[12:43] <foxhound31> thanks
[12:50] <LaserJock> that was ... interesting
[12:50] <nixternal> [17:42:53]  <foxhound31> yeah will go with ubuntu but get the kde version
[12:50] <nixternal> WOOHOO
[12:51] <nixternal> he is super smart!
[12:51] <Burgwork> blah
[12:51] <nixternal> gahahaha
[12:51] <Burgwork> another one down the drain
[12:51] <Burgwork> he seemed to promising
[12:51] <nixternal> lol
[12:52] <nixternal> woohoo...amarok so kicks arse..they now have the magnatune setup...so you can purchases DRM-free music!!!
[01:23] <LaserJock> Burgwork: have you ever tried Mambo or Joomla?
[01:23] <Burgwork> neither
[01:33] <nixternal> LaserJock: they were both garbage when i first messed with them a few months back
[01:34] <nixternal> unfortunately, i prefer drupal over them
[01:34] <LaserJock> well, they seem really blingy
[01:36] <LaserJock> what I'd really like is web-based project management for personal use
[01:37] <LaserJock> dotproject seems to be a bit overkill
[01:37] <Burgwork> LaserJock: activeCollab
[01:37] <Burgwork> it rocks
[01:38] <LaserJock> but I've got PHP4 :(
[01:38] <Burgwork> php5 is supported
[01:38] <Burgwork> 4 is not
[01:39] <Burgwork> dump that 4 crap
[01:39] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:40] <LaserJock> Burgwork: is it a lot better then dotproject?
[01:40] <Burgwork> tons
[01:40] <Burgwork> dotproject is a giant bloated piece of crap
[01:40] <dsas> LaserJock: It's not open source but http://www.backpackit.com/ is supposed to be pretty good.
[01:40] <jjesse_> we use dotProject at work and i don't like it at all
[01:40] <Burgwork> activeCollab is open source backpack
[01:41] <LaserJock> I more or less just want: calendar/wiki or notes/task tracking
[01:41] <LaserJock> I just need to organize my Ubuntu work better
[01:41] <Burgwork> for that, I would use tomboy
[01:41] <LaserJock> but I work from multiple machines
[01:41] <Burgwork> and the ubuntu wiki
[01:41] <Burgwork> why not the main ubuntu wiki?
[01:41] <jjesse_> tomboy is included in edgy right now isn't it
[01:41] <Burgwork> yes, yes it is
[01:42] <LaserJock> well, the ubuntu wiki isn't really that ideal
[01:42] <LaserJock> I'd also probably use it for work too
[01:43] <Burgwork> honestly, I use tomboy
[01:43] <Burgwork> I need to play with conduit
[01:43] <nixternal> LaserJock: just setup a personal mediawiki server or what not
[01:43] <Burgwork> mediawiki is pretty heavy
[01:43] <dsas> I think tomboy is planned to get sharing one day...
[01:43] <Burgwork> coming
[01:44] <Burgwork> but conduit can give you it now
[01:44] <LaserJock> nixternal: yeah, the hosting place for laserjock.us only has tikiwiki (huge) and phpwiki by defailt
[01:44] <nixternal> Emacs Wiki
[01:44] <nixternal> ;(
[01:44] <LaserJock> I might just try phpwiki to start with
[01:44] <nixternal> ;) rather
[01:44] <LaserJock> well
[01:44] <LaserJock> I've done that in the past
[01:44] <LaserJock> but I work on like 4 different machines
[01:45] <LaserJock> it's tough to keep things coordinated
[01:45] <dsas> Personally I use pen and paper still, with a calendar for appointments/deadlines.
[01:46] <LaserJock> heh, well if that worked for me I'd already be doing it. no matter what though I need to get more disciplined with it
[01:46] <nixternal> [18:45:18]  <dsas> Personally I use pen and paper still, with a calendar for appointments/deadlines
[01:46] <nixternal> so do i, and then input it later
[01:46] <jjesse_> grin i use OneNote for most of my stuff
[01:46] <nixternal> omg
[01:47] <nixternal> jjesse_ is a traitor!
[01:47] <jjesse_> grin 
[01:47] <nixternal> hehe
[01:47] <LaserJock> poor jjesse_ 
[01:47] <nixternal> i will admit, OneNote is super nice
[01:47] <jjesse_> i still have to use windows as my primary OS, need access to SQL Site management and Visual Studio
[01:47] <jjesse_> unless SQL management studio 2005 can be run under win/
[01:47] <jjesse_> wine?
[01:48] <Burgwork> jjesse_: you need a new job
[01:48] <jjesse_> Burgwork: no i like my job
[02:00] <nixternal> Burgwork: you read Jono's LoCo meeting email wrong, 10pm not 10am, so that would be 2pm your time
[02:01] <nixternal> you seen 10, and though 10:00 and not 22:00 more than likely
[02:38] <jjesse_> did everyone leave?
[02:39] <pygi> nop
[02:41] <dsas> not yet.
[02:41] <jjesse_> just got reall quiet :)
[02:49] <pygi> jjesse_: considering it's almost 3 AM ... :P
[02:49] <jjesse_> i figured everyone was in bed :)
[02:50] <jjesse_> hardly any doc team members in my time zone
[02:50] <jjesse_> eastern
[02:53] <LaserJock> jjesse_: no,  but I'm in Pacific :p
[02:54] <Williamts99> Hello, I created a page called HowToBootFromCD but realized that it would be better to name it HowtoBootFromCd so that it will link easy from the wiki, what is the best way to go about changing this?
[02:59] <Williamts99> Should I recreate the page and then just delete and link the older page, or is there someone that can rename it, and then link the older page, or delete it?
[03:00] <jjesse_> umm there is someone, but it might be just easier for you to clean it up
[03:02] <Williamts99> Understood, thank you.
[03:03] <LaserJock> Williamts99: well, I don't think it will really matter
[03:03] <LaserJock> I think HowToBootFromCD should link as easily as HowToBootFromCd
[03:05] <Williamts99> I thought that while creating the page, but I just tried to link to it from another page, but when I preview my changes it doesn't want to automatically create the link.
[03:06] <LaserJock> hmm, that's odd
[03:06] <Williamts99> But if I change the D in CD to a lowercase d it links just fine.
[03:06] <LaserJock> although I always use ["HowToBootFromCD"]  style anyway
[03:09] <Williamts99> Thank you, I am new to creating/editing pages and I didn't even think of that, that would be a lot easier to just link it that way, and it won't create 'clutter'
[03:10] <Williamts99> well the clutter of an extra page sitting around doing nothing :-)
[03:11] <nixternal> ahh, ya the old, 2 caps in a row kills wiki link
[03:13] <Williamts99> What do you think nixternal?  Should I recreate the page with a name that will be eaiser linked to in the future, or leave it the way it is and require the use of ["HowToBootFromCD"]  to link to it?
[03:14] <nixternal> leave it the way it is and just do ["HowToBootFromCD"] 
[03:14] <Williamts99> Also, as my first page, what do you all think of it?
[03:16] <nixternal> how did you do thos bios screenies?
[03:17] <Williamts99> The easiest way is to use a camera to take pictures of them, or you can use the BIOS inside of vmware and do a printscreen
[03:17] <nixternal> i never noticed the bios pop up in vmware..i will have to look at that
[03:18] <nixternal> thats definitely a great start there
[03:18] <nixternal> hopefully people will add different bios setups in there and expand on it now
[03:18] <Williamts99> When you first start VMware, it is F2 to get into the 'bios'
[03:18] <nixternal> that is very important documentation that the Chicago LoCo has been working on creating as well
[03:18] <nixternal> cool..thanks for that pointer
[03:20] <Williamts99> No problem, I wonder if there is a way to simulate another BIOS, that would be great because that is about the best quality screenshots of the bios that you can get.
[03:22] <nixternal> i will see what i can do...i usually grab really good screenshots, however, i never use jpg, only png, that way you don't loose colors causing the pixelation and blur
[03:24] <jroes> have you guys ever been able to paste in VMWare btw?
[03:24] <nixternal> jroes: you need to install vmware tools
[03:25] <nixternal> like copy from outside of vmware, and paste into vmware?
[03:25] <nixternal> and vice versa?
[03:25] <jroes> yeah
[03:25] <jroes> I didn't know I had to install vmware tools, guess that would explain it :)
[03:25] <nixternal> ya, once vmware is up and running with the operating system, goto the VM tab and Install Vmware Tools
[03:25] <nixternal> at least thats how it is done with VMWare server
[03:26] <nixternal> i love making a preference change in the wiki..it only takes 4 minutes to save one checkbox
[03:27] <jroes> lol
[03:30] <Williamts99> Thanks for that tip, they do look a lot better as png, I just used that on CdIntegrityCheck and the png looks a lot better
[03:31] <nixternal> hehe, yes they do
[03:46] <LaserJock> Burgwork: are all the existing Tomboy plugins included in the Ubuntu package or are there others floating about?
[03:46] <LaserJock> I couldn't find any plugin info the their website
[03:57] <nixternal> wth..why are Tomboy Plugins .dll files?
[03:58] <LaserJock> because it's C# silly
[03:59] <LaserJock> or Mono or however you want to put it
[03:59] <nixternal> so is KDE, but there aren't any DLL files there
[03:59] <nixternal> mono maybe, since i know nothing about it
[03:59] <LaserJock> C# not C++
[03:59] <nixternal> just noticed that #
[05:49] <Madpilot> cool, help.ubuntu.com finally has a favicon
[07:27] <LaserJock> Burgwork: you still around?
[07:33] <Madpilot> LaserJock, he's usually out on Monday nights
[07:35] <LaserJock> silly man
[07:35] <LaserJock> I had a tomboy question for him
[07:38] <Madpilot> what sort of tomboy question?
[07:42] <LaserJock> well, I copies some of the .notes files from my other compute
[07:42] <LaserJock> but they don't show up
[07:42] <LaserJock> I wondered if that works
[07:58] <Madpilot> LaserJock, they don't show up when you drop them in ~/.tomboy?
[08:07] <LaserJock> Madpilot: no
[08:07] <Madpilot> odd
[08:07] <LaserJock> oh
[08:07] <LaserJock> I had to remove Tomboy from the panel and re add it
[08:08] <Madpilot> that seems like a bit of a hack to force Tomboy to refresh
[08:10] <LaserJock> well, I didn't see ano ption torefresh
[08:20] <LaserJock> ah, speak of the devil
[08:20] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: hmm?
[08:20] <Burgundavia> you guys dicussing me?
[08:21] <LaserJock> I was going to ask you a Tomboy question
[08:21] <Burgundavia> shoot
[08:21] <LaserJock> I got home and scp'ed my .notes from work to ~/.tomboy/
[08:21] <LaserJock> but they didn't immediatly show up
[08:21] <LaserJock> I had to remove tomboy from the panel and readd it
[08:21] <LaserJock> is there an easier way to refresh it?
[08:24] <Burgundavia> hmm, no idea
[08:25] <Burgundavia> there is some network tomboy stuff coming
[08:25] <LaserJock> well, previously I didn't use tomboy because I was using OS X a lot on my iMac
[08:25] <LaserJock> but I've got it dual booting with edgy right now
[08:26] <LaserJock> so I'm all Ubuntu all day long
[08:27] <Burgundavia> cool
[08:27] <LaserJock> it is nice
[08:28] <Burgundavia> I have never done what you have done, so I cannot tell you
[08:28] <LaserJock> I liked OS X fine, much better then Windows
[08:28] <LaserJock> but the shear amount of useful software in Ubuntu is great
[08:28] <LaserJock> and things do "Just Work"
[08:30] <Burgundavia> I don't know how I could not use tomboy
[08:31] <LaserJock> well, there are some similar apps for OS X
[08:31] <LaserJock> but none as simple and easy to use
[08:33] <Burgundavia> f-spot is another app very much liek that
[08:35] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:35] <LaserJock> I tried it not long ago
[08:35] <LaserJock> I used it to show my inlaws pics over the weekend
[08:38] <Burgundavia> ok, this new epiphany is crashing for me constantly
[08:38] <Burgundavia> I suspect the new Firefox
[08:40] <LaserJock> new as in?
[08:42] <Burgundavia> edgy new, 2.0
[08:46] <LaserJock> does it happen on particular sites?
[09:44] <Burgundavia> mdke: morning
[09:44] <Burgundavia> sleepy time for me
[09:44] <mdke> good night
[09:45] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:54] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: the wiki lifecycle page is a good start still
[09:54] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:54] <Burgundavia> please flesh out further
[09:54] <Burgundavia> I want to move some point this week
[09:55] <jsgotangco> imho a real annoucement should at least have a webpage saying what to do next
[09:55] <jsgotangco> if you're in the EOL loop
[09:55] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:55] <LaserJock> lay down and die
[09:56] <LaserJock> it's the end of the road
[09:56] <Burgundavia> well, night
[09:56] <Burgundavia> truly this time
[10:01] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: how's it going?
[10:02] <LaserJock> bah, it's going I suppose
[10:02] <jsgotangco> ok i'll just let you bee
[10:03] <LaserJock> heh
[10:04] <LaserJock> it's no problem
[10:04] <LaserJock> but lots of deadlines, if you know what I mean
[10:06] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: how are you doing?
[10:07] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: pretty busy myself at new work too, but its the start of the holiday so i have 4 days off starting tomorrow and will be catching up on virtual work
[06:15] <nixternal> http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-upgrade-common-problems-with-solutions.html
[06:16] <nixternal> Jonathan Carter suggested we do something similar in a blog post ^^ and ideas?
[09:16] <mdke> nixternal: you could add things to the current documentation
[09:18] <nixternal> current wiki docs is what i was going to attack..i wrote the author and email asking permission to utilize his responses
[09:21] <mdke> sounds good
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69576 in ubuntu-docs "Wrong alignment and bidi problems in Hebrew system help" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69576