[09:22] <Burgundavia> @schedule vancouver
[09:22] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Vancouver: 31 Oct 14:00: LoCo | 01 Nov 04:00: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 12:00: Technical Board
[09:30] <Mez> @schedule brimingham
[09:30] <Mez> @schedule birmingham
[09:30] <Mez> @schedule LONDON
[09:30] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 31 Oct 22:00: LoCo | 01 Nov 12:00: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 20:00: Technical Board
[09:43] <GNAM> @shcedule ROME
[09:43] <GNAM> @schedule ROME
[09:43] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 31 Oct 23:00: LoCo | 01 Nov 13:00: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 21:00: Technical Board
[10:28] <freeflying> @schedule Shanghai
[10:28] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 01 Nov 06:00: LoCo | 01 Nov 20:00: Edubuntu | 08 Nov 04:00: Technical Board
[11:01] <rejden> @schedule vienna
[11:01] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Vienna: 31 Oct 23:00: LoCo | 01 Nov 13:00: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 21:00: Technical Board
[02:13] <DBO> got the bug count to 218
[02:13] <DBO> oops, wrong room, sorry
[03:10] <fernando> Hi all. During Ubuntu Developer Summit reports about what was argued in the projects will be available?
[03:13] <fernando> have a participate page =), thanks
[04:28] <opi> Hello
[04:34] <opi> I hope 22:00 UTC is 17 CET :)
[04:35] <cjwatson> opi: date -u
[04:35] <opi> right
[04:36] <opi> oh..
[04:36] <opi> ho hum :)
[04:36] <opi> then I guess I'm off to get some beer
[04:43] <simira> lloydinho: hi, how are you?
[04:50] <lloydinho> hi simira!
[04:50] <lloydinho> I'm doing well. I've just had a late lunch with Henrik.
[04:52] <simira> lloydinho: that must be a late lunch indeed!
[09:12] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[09:12] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 31 Oct 16:00: LoCo | 01 Nov 06:00: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 14:00: Technical Board
[10:54] <looksaus> evening
[10:54] <jono> hey
[10:56] <kjcole> Hullo
[10:57] <Gnomonic> Good Evening (with a count dracula accent)
[10:57] <jono> heh
[10:57] <Plug> 'yarr'
[10:58] <licio> good night :)
[10:58] <jono> lets give late folks a few mins to get in :)
[10:58] <elkbuntu> indeed
[10:59] <nixternal> hello
[11:00] <JoeyStanford> Howdy
[11:00] <Burgwork> greets
[11:00] <nixternal> i was packaging docs to fix boogs
[11:00] <Burgwork> boogs, are those worse than bugs?
[11:00] <nixternal> it is Burgworks fault ;)
[11:00] <dthacke1> you want zarro of the bugs
[11:00] <nixternal> well, with Caroline Ford on the doc attack, they are boogs, cuz she found a log of bugs
[11:01] <elkbuntu> while we wait to start.. the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting
[11:02] <ajmitch> hi
[11:02] <jono> right should we start?
[11:03] <newz2000> hi
[11:03] <jono> hi newz2000 
[11:03] <nixternal> i take it you made it there newz2000 ;)
[11:03] <newz2000> just. :)
[11:03] <jono> everyone got the agenda up?
[11:03] <jono> ok, show of hands, who is here for the loco meeting?
[11:03] <Gnomonic> Aye
[11:03] <kjcole> Aye (or I)
[11:03] <nixternal> o/
[11:04] <elkbuntu> me me me me :)
[11:04] <AdamBagnall> o/
[11:04] <matt_good> yup
[11:04] <jono> :P
[11:04] <jono> cool
[11:04] <nixternal> which finger?
[11:04] <jono> :P
[11:04] <nixternal> not the chicago wave is it?
[11:04] <elkbuntu> a CoC friendly one
[11:04] <looksaus> jono, manners!
[11:04] <jono> right, lots to get through
[11:04] <nixternal> haha
[11:04] <jono> firstly, docs
[11:04] <nixternal> well, isn't it the same as the backwards v?
[11:04] <jono> it was the docs day today, and not a huge amount got done
[11:05] <jono> any thoughts on why?
[11:05] <Plug> I perused the docs, found I really didn't have anything to add
[11:05] <elkbuntu> because it wasnt well enough known
[11:05] <jono> right
[11:05] <looksaus> err, I made quite an addition I think
[11:05] <jono> I suspect there was not enough knowledge of it
[11:05] <jono> which we could with improving
[11:05] <ajmitch> this is the first I heard of it being a docs day
[11:05] <jono> maybe a fridge post will solve this issue
[11:05] <elkbuntu> yep
[11:06] <jono> also, I think everyone has something to contribute,  but many are not sure of what
[11:06] <jono> so I figured we could discuss the main docs
[11:06] <jono> I would say a critical one is the FAQ at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ
[11:06] <jono> I would love to turn this into the all seeing all dancing FAQ
[11:06] <jono> we also had a good start on the planet howto and the maps howto
[11:06] <elkbuntu> we dont know what you want to know, without that elusive mind-reading skill
[11:07] <jono> heh
[11:07] <Plug> FAQs need the questions to actually be asked
[11:07] <Plug> if there are questions, writing answers is relatively easy! :)
[11:07] <dthacke1> jono: do you have a list of unanswered questions?
[11:07] <JoeyStanford> I have a small bit to add to most of the material but have not found the time yet.  Given my week this week, I may not get to it until Mountain View.
[11:07] <looksaus> if you have unanswered questions, they should go there too
[11:07] <jono> well, imagine the kind of stuff people ask, or stuff that people actually ask, and then update the FAQ
[11:08] <jono> the FAQ is not just about the questions we actually get, but also about questions we may get
[11:08] <elkbuntu> maybe we need a 'questions list', where people can ask things
[11:08] <jono> so, yeah, no urgency, but everyone keep it in the back of your head, if everyone adds a few questions, we get one fat mother of a FAQ :)
[11:08] <LoudMouthMan> Evning all, sorry jono .. i was distracted with the AA page
[11:08] <jono> no worries
[11:09] <Plug> tbh, I actually think its quite comprehensive at the moment
[11:09] <jono> Plug, its getting good, but if anyone thinks something is missing, feel free to add it :)
[11:09] <jono> I also added the Knowledge Base to the main LoCo site
[11:09] <JoeyStanford> fwiw, my own personal view was that I was going to add the items that came up when I started the CoLoCo.
[11:09] <jono> if anyone wants to write some docs and add it to the Knowledge Base, that would be great
[11:10] <jono> JoeyStanford, cool
[11:10] <jono> I think docs are pretty central to the project, and I am looking to add some additional docs when I get time
[11:11] <jono> any other thoughts re. docs?
[11:11] <jono> anything people want to see? or feel are missing?
[11:11] <looksaus> target audience docs
[11:11] <jono> looksaus, what do you mean?
[11:11] <looksaus> branding hints
[11:12] <JoeyStanford> It would be helpful to have the setup information along with tips to help new LoCo's start.  Information about event planning for existing LoCo's.  I'd also like to see a section about sponsorship...e.g. in our case System 76 is a corp sponsor.
[11:12] <jono> branding for?
[11:12] <looksaus> hints on which subgroups to focus on first
[11:12] <jono> JoeyStanford, this is all good stuff
[11:12] <Plug> A big unaddressed issue, to my mind, is "why to do it"
[11:12] <jono> Plug, another great point
[11:12] <Plug> what the group gets out of it, how it relates to other LUGs etc
[11:12] <newz2000> Plug: good question
[11:12] <jono> how about we have a page of things that need documenting?
[11:13] <jono> like a TODO of things that need going in the docs?
[11:13] <JoeyStanford> Plug, very good point. I think the answers to that one question will be the same in many cases but also very different for different areas.
[11:13] <dthacke1> I'd like to know what interaction to have with a huge regional group, like the 2 or 3 US ones
[11:13] <jono> dthacke1, another great point
[11:13] <jono> ok one sec
[11:13] <jono> right I will create https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamDocsToDo
[11:13] <Ju> Hi all
[11:14] <jono> right could you folks add your ideas to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamDocsToDo
[11:14] <jono> we can use that as a source for things to document :)
[11:15] <jono> I think docs are part of the key to LoCo world domination :)
[11:15] <elkbuntu> lol, indeed
[11:15] <looksaus> jono, with target audience docs, I tried to say
[11:15] <JoeyStanford> A question that was raised our Edgy release party was Plug's: Why do we all like this LoCo concept.  I added some of our concept to the minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam/EdgyMeetingMinutes
[11:15] <jono> looksaus, right :)
[11:15] <looksaus> which groups to target primarily
[11:15] <looksaus> like :
[11:15] <jono> looksaus, sounds great, and important for the docs too :)
[11:15] <looksaus> technical users
[11:15] <looksaus> AND
[11:15] <kjcole> I know it's bad form to change page names, but perhaps the sort of restructuring of wiki pages into sub-page structure might be worth considering...
[11:15] <looksaus> so called 80% users
[11:16] <jono> JoeyStanford, Plug looksaus dthacke1 - ok are you guys ok to add topics to that page and we can then work on them?
[11:16] <john> I have been getting errors involving roxen3 and mysql.  This comes up with apt-get. I can find absolutely no explanation about this browser, roxen3. is this the place to get  help?
[11:16] <Plug> jono: sure
[11:16] <dthacke1> yes
[11:16] <LoudMouthMan> much as I love reading log files at a later date, should we be adding some syntax like [NOTE]  to things like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamDocsToDo just to make searching this text at a later date easier. or [AGREED]  for some point.. 
[11:16] <Gnomonic> looksaus: What is a 80% user?
[11:16] <jono> john, nope, head to #ubuntu
[11:16] <jono> awesome
[11:16] <JoeyStanford> Jono, yes sir.  Might take until Sunday but it'll be done.
[11:16] <looksaus> Gnomonic, a user that does very casual things with his comp:
[11:16] <jono> awesome
[11:16] <jono> lets move to the next topic then :)
[11:17] <jono> working with other groups
[11:17] <LoudMouthMan> [topic] 
[11:17] <Plug> (side note: the fact that ever change I make gets emailled to ajmitch/danielholbach/nixternal feel s abit offputting ;)
[11:17] <newz2000> Plug: they likely ignore the e-mails
[11:17] <ajmitch> Plug: sorry :)
[11:17] <jono> Plug, :P
[11:17] <Plug> oh, I don't doubt that
[11:17] <jono> at LinuxWorld there was some discussion with ubuntu-uk with who LoudMouthMan is one of the core members, about how we can better work with LUGs and other user groups
[11:17] <jono> naturally we don't want LoCo teams to overthrow other groups, and we need to work with other groups effectively
[11:18] <Plug> A primary answer is 'Canonical $stuff distribution' (shipit, etc)
[11:18] <Plug> it gives the LUGs an instant reason to exist
[11:18] <jono> Plug, good point
[11:18] <looksaus> why would you want to do that?
[11:18] <Plug> erm, s/LUG/LoCo/
[11:18] <jono> well, we determined that LUGs are general support groups, and LoCo teams are really teams to help advocate and promote Ubuntu
[11:18] <dthacke1> We plan on doing more outreach than the current LUG, which only does monthly meetings
[11:19] <LoudMouthMan> Yes, president Popey is concerned that we dont splinter or fraction the LUG users, ive added it to the UKteam approval as Ensuring Ubuntu compliments and Enhances a Linux User group
[11:19] <Plug> but it also affirms a stereotype 'ubuntu is only popular cos canonical send it to people for free' :) 
[11:19] <looksaus> jono, I see this _very_ differently
[11:19] <jono> looksaus, how so?
[11:19] <looksaus> as lugs cater to a technical group
[11:19] <looksaus> geeks and nerds
[11:19] <newz2000> ah
[11:19] <looksaus> and there is a group that is absolutely not like this
[11:19] <Plug> our (national) LoCo covers the area of many LUGs 
[11:19] <jono> looksaus, so your team caters for non-geeks?
[11:19] <LoudMouthMan> but a lug is not exlcusively one specific catering subset..
[11:20] <JoeyStanford> I've documented our answer to this question on the CoLoCo page:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam
[11:20] <looksaus> yes
[11:20] <looksaus> lugs are _not_ end user support
[11:20] <Plug> looksaus: some are
[11:20] <looksaus> if you want to break outside the geek public
[11:20] <jono> looksaus, ok thats cool, there is nothing wrong with being different, we just need to be sure we don't tread on toes
[11:20] <looksaus> you _don't_ go to a lug
[11:20] <elkbuntu> the function of LUGs is as varied as the function of LoCos
[11:20] <jono> elkbuntu, exactly
[11:20] <jono> looksaus, LUGs are very varied, many do support many don't
[11:20] <jono> when I toured the UK LUGs earlier this year they were hugely different
[11:21] <LoudMouthMan> ooh neat .. we used Enhance as well. thats great.. Enhance is a feature!
[11:21] <looksaus> my point is that you need to break loose
[11:21] <looksaus> from the technical people who gather in a lug
[11:21] <jono> now, LoudMouthMan made some great notes about working with other groups from the ubuntu-uk meeting
[11:21] <yama> there are fears in some LUGs that Ubuntu is trying to take over. This should be avoided
[11:21] <kjcole> Our LoCo "leans towards" Ubuntu, but try to throw in a good word for other distros every once in a while.  Our focus is on reaching the non-geeky, particularly in K-12 schools, libraries, and small community groups.
[11:21] <jono> I would love to see some of those notes in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups
[11:21] <jono> LoudMouthMan, are you ok to merge some of that in, maybe with the help of popey ?
[11:21] <elkbuntu> yama, crap, they're on to us...!
[11:21] <nixternal> Plug: just on your side note, the reason we get those emails, and i look at everyone, is to assist with the admin of the wiki, so if someone defaces a page, i can see it right away, or others, and fix it
[11:21] <Plug> I liken the LoCo here to a virtual collection of the Ubuntu promoting focused users from all the national LUG
[11:21] <Plug> s
[11:21] <JoeyStanford> These are all good comments.  We've been thru this as part of the justification to setup the CoLoCo....so I refer everyone back to our team page.
[11:22] <jono> yama, yeah, we need to be careful of that
[11:22] <Plug> each LUG has a bunch of people who dont care about Ubuntu, and a bunch that are only ever going to be users
[11:22] <Plug> (which is fine)
[11:22] <jono> JoeyStanford, cool, so you have some good thoughts on this subject?
[11:22] <JoeyStanford> I have *LOTS* of thoughts.
[11:22] <jono> JoeyStanford, good good :)
[11:22] <LoudMouthMan> a better thought might be this : the other distros will mobilise their own communities.. this concerns LUGS more. however LUGS ar the assimilationof all distros into one common interest. hence Ubuntu LOCO teams can set the prescendence for working with them.
[11:22] <jono> JoeyStanford, if you can contribute to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups as well, that would be great
[11:22] <JoeyStanford> This was the primary topic ...the primary deciding aspect of setting up Colorado.  We explored it in depdth.
[11:23] <JoeyStanford> in depth even.
[11:23] <Plug> I generalise that 'LUGs are meatspace'
[11:23] <LoudMouthMan> and I spotted that comment Jono.. i was hopping other team members would edit for me.. namely (president)Pope
[11:23] <jono> it seems most loco teams are interested in advocacy and promotion too - less about support and less about physical meetings
[11:23] <Plug> our LoCo can't do that, and probably shouldn't.
[11:23] <looksaus> Plug, meatspace?
[11:23] <jono> LoudMouthMan, ok, lets persuade him :)
[11:23] <Plug> looksaus: "the real world"
[11:23] <Plug> where people are made of meat, not 1s and 0s :P
[11:23] <looksaus> heh
[11:23] <jono> :)
[11:23] <LoudMouthMan> well i was going to ask him directly thursday if it had stayed empty .. hes got the best fix on a LUGmaster concern here
[11:24] <jono> LoudMouthMan, I think he can offer some sane and realistic guidence for that page :)
[11:24] <jono> I think that the issue of group relations is something we *all* need to take care with - we don't want to make LUGs feel like we are overtaking them
[11:24] <looksaus> if you want end users with little skills to help each other, you will need one distro for them to center around
[11:25] <jono> it seems most LoCo teams though have a definitive and different direction to a LUG
[11:25] <Plug> "LUGs are dying"
[11:25] <elkbuntu> jono, Plug is probably equally qualified for it, given his experience
[11:25] <LoudMouthMan> jono  : i agree
[11:25] <jono> elkbuntu, awesome
[11:25] <Plug> you need far less handholding to install Linux these days
[11:25] <jono> Plug, would you be happy to add content to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups
[11:25] <Plug> sure, looking now
[11:25] <jono> Plug, not much to look at :P
[11:25] <LoudMouthMan> Plug your not wrong .. they are dying but I dont feel thats a justification
[11:26] <jono> awesome, just some things for us to think about
[11:26] <elkbuntu> no reason why we cannot help change that
[11:26] <looksaus> if you want to break outside a technical public
[11:26] <LoudMouthMan> I know Dobbo and I spoke about it 3yrs ago thats why we started BCF and FSB meetings.
[11:26] <looksaus> you want to stay away from most lugs...
[11:26] <Plug> I was just saying that you need to expect some animosity from the 'old school' :)
[11:26] <looksaus> you want to attract a different kind of people
[11:26] <JoeyStanford> In Colorado, those LUG statements do not apply as greatly. LUGs are a backbone, albeit not as strong as they once were.
[11:26] <jono> looksaus, we don't want to just break outside a technical public, but whatever your views, we are computer fans and so are they, so there are issues there
[11:27] <nixternal> see, what I have been doing with the local LUGs, is just providing information/insite into the Ubuntu community..nothing more and nothing less. when i goto a LUG meeting, it is all about Linux, unless an Ubuntu topic comes up..
[11:27] <LoudMouthMan> theres a phrase I see on IRC quite a lot when talking about bringing new of fresh people into Ubuntu. 
[11:27] <looksaus> ah, k, sorry to have misunderstood
[11:27] <jono> looksaus, we want to target non users, I am just saying we don't want to inflame negative relations with other groups :)
[11:27] <jono> looksaus, :)
[11:27] <JoeyStanford> Nixternal: Same here.
[11:27] <LoudMouthMan> people say " I dont care " when refering to those below a set technical standard or understanding
[11:27] <nixternal> i provide them with CDs when they ask..a LUG is for Linux in general, and some tend to get annoyed when you bring reteric into their community
[11:27] <jono> I recommend we get that page filled out, and then we can schedule a meeting about this wide and interesting subject
[11:27] <LoudMouthMan> I think it fits the Coc to start showing that Care is a feature.
[11:28] <jono> everyone ok to move on?
[11:28] <elkbuntu> yep
[11:28] <jono> or any other comments?
[11:28] <nixternal> although Plug probably would have the best LUG insite, seeing as he is from the home of the larget LUG i believe
[11:28] <looksaus> well, I can say that lugs out here are absolutely not negative towards us
[11:28] <Plug> We're not that large! :P
[11:28] <LoudMouthMan> possibly we approach the other Distro guys ... Jon Fautley, Ted Heager ( others ? ) and discuss LUG energising.
[11:28] <looksaus> au contraire
[11:28] <LoudMouthMan> great so .. Plug can you start the content for us please?
[11:28] <JoeyStanford> The primary separation between LUGs and LoCo's is Ubuntu in my mind.  LUGs do Linux and related.  LoCo's do Ubuntu.  We tend to have more distro specific information, translated, and with that comes a greater ability to perform outreach, training, and even support.
[11:29] <nixternal> Plug: there is a guy I know that is moving there in a couple of months, and one of his reasons was the LUG ;)
[11:29] <Plug> it seems that any group with one or two driving people with passion, will succeed
[11:29] <jono> evidently there are lots of thoughts here, and scope for future discussion
[11:29] <Plug> The trick is finding those people
[11:29] <nixternal> that there is jono
[11:29] <jono> I think what is important is that we have some solid guidance on that page for LoCos who are unsure of how to move forward
[11:29] <LoudMouthMan> if only there was a pdcast that could talk about LUG energising ?
[11:29] <jono> nixternal, awww shucks :)
[11:30] <LoudMouthMan> nevermind... next !
[11:30] <jono> LoudMouthMan, shut your face :P
[11:30] <elkbuntu> lol
[11:30] <jono> so, we ready to rock onto the next topic?
[11:30] <looksaus> yup...
[11:30] <newz2000> [TOPIC] 
[11:30] <dthacke1> next!
[11:30] <elkbuntu> i think so
[11:30] <LoudMouthMan> thanks newz
[11:30] <jono> right, education
[11:30] <elkbuntu> get a room you two
[11:31] <newz2000> [TOPIC] 
[11:31] <LoudMouthMan> ooh good my other favourite topic.
[11:31] <nixternal> wooohoooo DA BEARS!!!
[11:31] <jono> many of you will have seen Richard Weiderman's post to loco-contacts about education
[11:31] <jono> a bit of background
[11:31] <LoudMouthMan> um no .. but lets assume i did .. man I must join more mail lists
[11:31] <jono> Richard works for Canonical as Education Manager and he is keen to reach out to loco teams to help our teams get some success with education
[11:32] <jono> the idea is that those teams who are interested in education would be great having an education lead
[11:32] <jono> that is, a person who is happy to coordinate the education efforts of the team
[11:32] <jono> this gives richard a point of contact for helping the team
[11:32] <LoudMouthMan> ahh okay .. so my notes to post about sending these spare Edubuntu CDs to local Mps and Nursery Franchise owners would be useful ? I had a cover letter and all set out.
[11:32] <Plug> I reposted your missive to our list and had two people say "I'd like to help, what do I do", and really didn't have much more I could tell them other than "read the wiki page & sign up".
[11:32] <jono> our Colorado friends kicked it off
[11:32] <jono> sure
[11:32] <nixternal> yes, and I have been working on local educational contacts, and it is nice as there is an Educucational/School admin in the Chicago group, so he is making it easier for me...it seems there may be some great interest in Open Source in the school systems around here
[11:32] <jono> those who want to figure out some edu contacts, add them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamEducation
[11:33] <jono> nixternal, awesome! :)
[11:33] <dthacke1> NebraskaTeam is starting with local schools.  Those will be our first presentations, when we get contacts made.
[11:33] <jono> this is great
[11:34] <jono> one thing I would like to work on in the future is for each team to have certain contacts (in addition to the normal main contact), and education contact is a great idea
[11:34] <jono> it will make it easier for interested parties to talk to each other
[11:34] <jono> also, Richard has his foot in the Edubuntu camp, so we have some great opportunities there too
[11:34] <LoudMouthMan> issues will arise as to how Education is handled as a govt department for each loco team so it will be useful to spot where common ground exists in creating awareness.
[11:34] <jono> so if you could all talk to your groups to figure out an edu contact, that would be great
[11:35] <kjcole> The DC LoCo has Edubuntu labs in four local high schools, and five affordable housing project labs (which are often used by the younger kids).
[11:35] <jono> dthacke1, heh
[11:35] <jono> kjcole, wow, send me a fridge article about that with photos and I will get it posted :)
[11:35] <nixternal> DC LoCo guys, I might be out in your area soon visiting my daughter, if I find time, I would like to maybe get together and see how you all are rocking it out there
[11:36] <dthacke1> kjcole, are you done with that HOWTO yet ;)
[11:36] <jono> heh
[11:36] <nixternal> lol
[11:36] <JoeyStanford> In CoLoCo's case, I gave the Edu person a title (Team Lead) and requested two, a primary and a backup, because we all know people get busy. :-) 
[11:36] <newz2000> do you mean the "howto: world domination"?
[11:37] <jono> this is an important point
[11:37] <jono> if anyone has any success stories, do let me know so we can promote them on the fridge
[11:37] <kjcole> jono Will try to send you something.  For the moment you can poke around on our not-so-well maintained page: http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/
[11:37] <jono> we need the world to know our LoCo teams kick ass
[11:37] <JoeyStanford> I also used the incentive.... "Being the LoCo Team Lead for Education is a great addition to your wiki page to help you become a full Ubuntu Member"
[11:37] <jono> kjcole, cool
[11:37] <jono> JoeyStanford, :)
[11:37] <jono> so yeah, if everyone could look at arranging an edu contact that would be cool
[11:38] <LoudMouthMan> jono .. what do we do to promot Fridge stories to local media , for instance in the uk informing linux user & dev chappies!
[11:38] <looksaus> jono, what exactly is expected from an edu contact?
[11:38] <jono> again, it would be cool to dedicate a loco meeting to education sometime, so we can have a good full discussion
[11:38] <nixternal> jono: you don't want peoples names and numbers up there im guessing?
[11:38] <Gnomonic> Sorry, gotta leave, will read the logs tomorrow. Good night (or whatever applies to your timezone)
[11:38] <nixternal> at least those contacts might not want their info up there
[11:38] <jono> LoudMouthMan, what do you mean?
[11:38] <looksaus> actively working towards the education sector?
[11:38] <jono> looksaus, the aim is to work with the sector to help ubuntu get used
[11:38] <nixternal> unless of course it is already public
[11:38] <jono> and often advocacy with schools and colleges
[11:38] <looksaus> ok, maybe it would be useful to give some examples there
[11:39] <looksaus> testimonials
[11:39] <JoeyStanford> LoudMouthMan, Excellent Question.
[11:39] <LoudMouthMan> well im off topic a little here .. but id like to ensure that a regular press cycle occurs to maintain press and media awareness of Ubuntu and Locoteam activities.
[11:39] <jono> nixternal, sure, we don't want to show private details, but stats are good where possible
[11:39] <looksaus> a richer "job description" if you want
[11:39] <jono> looksaus, good idea, I think some case studies would be useful there
[11:39] <LoudMouthMan> so if we use the fridge to post excellent news then we should drop a copy to the media some how 
[11:39] <jono> LoudMouthMan, exactly
[11:39] <jono> LoudMouthMan, this is part of my aim to get regular stories
[11:39] <JoeyStanford> Jono, we need LMM's topic as a todo.  How to release press releases to local media.
[11:39] <jono> maintaining a cycle needs people though
[11:40] <jono> JoeyStanford, yes, could you add it?
[11:40] <JoeyStanford> Free advertising you know :-)
[11:40] <jono> it may be good to have an agenda item in the future about publicising your events too
[11:40] <JoeyStanford> rgr
[11:40] <jono> rgr?
[11:40] <LoudMouthMan> sure .. but I was thinking about it . i'll keep on top of asking people for news and stories and puting them to the fridge .. well for UKteam at least
[11:40] <nixternal> rgr == roger == 10-4
[11:40] <glennji> "Roger"?
[11:40] <nixternal> ;)
[11:40] <jono> LoudMouthMan, cool
[11:41] <jono> maybe each loco could have a press contact?
[11:41] <jono> someone to flow out press info and act as a contact for journalists?
[11:41] <jono> nixternal, ahh!
[11:41] <elkbuntu> i think thats sort of the general contact's job
[11:41] <elkbuntu> other teams may disagree
[11:41] <looksaus> elkbuntu, agree
[11:41] <jono> elkbuntu, possibly, but some lead contacts may not want to be press contact
[11:42] <LoudMouthMan> well let them have the choice .. some roles fill naturually . 
[11:42] <jono> this sounds like a mailing list discussion to get ideas
[11:42] <jono> sure
[11:42] <dthacke1> I'd do it as gc, until the job got too big, the split a press contact
[11:42] <jono> not everyone will want these roles
[11:42] <elkbuntu> fair enough
[11:42] <jono> ok
[11:42] <jono> move on?
[11:43] <looksaus> maybe it's not as much about the roles, but about defining what someone with that responsibility is to do
[11:43] <JoeyStanford> (page updated)
[11:43] <LoudMouthMan> im happy to talk ... ( yeah yeah ) but id look to some one with media experience ( jono , know anyone ? ) to motivate.. but anyway 
[11:43] <LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC] 
[11:43] <jono> JoeyStanford, thanks :)
[11:43] <newz2000> :D
[11:43] <jono> looksaus, and its looking at what people are good at
[11:43] <jono> LoudMouthMan, indeed
[11:43] <jono> ok further ideas
[11:44] <jono> I think we need to think of events and campaigns for the LoCo community as a whole
[11:44] <jono> elkbuntu had the idea of a recruitment drive
[11:44] <jono> which I think is a great idea
[11:44] <elkbuntu> yeah, and that should get some questions asked, for sure
[11:44] <Plug> Advertised where?
[11:44] <elkbuntu> for the faqs
[11:44] <newz2000> Plug: Ubuntu forums?
[11:44] <elkbuntu> Plug, blogs and fridge woudl help ;)
[11:44] <LoudMouthMan> okay well ive mentioned for the UK we have children in need coming up , so engaging with defined charaties Locally and Internatinally will be useful
[11:45] <looksaus> elkbuntu, curiuous about this recruitment drive
[11:45] <looksaus> idea
[11:45] <jono> yeah
[11:45] <LoudMouthMan> id like to see if we cant get a sponsored install/hack fest day . for Children In Need.
[11:45] <jono> is anyone aware of an events ideas wiki page?
[11:45] <Plug> Right, I wondered if you meant "outside of that"
[11:45] <jono> ok lets first talk about recruitment
[11:45] <Plug> we're about to launch a NZ-package-wallpaper-contest with three goals
[11:45] <elkbuntu> looksaus, we spend a day pimpin locos, guiding people to the locos for their areas they may not have thought existed, etc
[11:46] <LoudMouthMan> things that drag TV Cameras out to watch things occur that are positive is useful
[11:46] <Plug> 1. get a wallpaper package 2. get certified 3. get people to know the LoCo exists, and get involved with it 
[11:46] <LoudMouthMan> man that was vague!
[11:46] <JoeyStanford> I'm still a firm believer that while having documentation readily available on the internet is GOOD, it may not be of any benefit to someone who doesn't speak English.  Having the LoCo's  help create non-English docs is a big deal methinks.
[11:46] <jono> I think it makes sense to have a recruitment day, and this could involve day long meetings on our loco IRC channels, fridge and forums posts and IRC events such as getting to know each other sessions
[11:46] <dthacke1> is looking for other places to recruit besides the local LUG for reasons previously discussed
[11:46] <jono> JoeyStanford, great idea - we could identify key docs and get them translated
[11:47] <newz2000> JoeyStanford: Good point, do you loco teams search google and others for key phrases to see where they go?
[11:47] <newz2000> (in your own language)
[11:47] <jono> well should we make a recruitment day our first event?
[11:47] <LoudMouthMan> JoeyStanford , in fact everyone .. whose heard of the BNI ?
[11:47] <elkbuntu> jono, second considering today was docs day :
[11:47] <jono> hehe
[11:47] <jono> elkbuntu, smartarse :P
[11:47] <JoeyStanford> Newz, in my case it's English but I'm also on a translation team so I have some experience working with non-English speaking folks :-)
[11:48] <elkbuntu> i'd rather be a smartarse than a dumbarse ;P
[11:48] <jono> elkbuntu, oi!
[11:48] <glennji> LoudMouthMan, not me.
[11:48] <jono> LoudMouthMan, :P
[11:48] <jono> so maybe we have a LoCo Open Day
[11:48] <JoeyStanford> newz, from my experience, you are correct.  Google or Clusty.
[11:49] <LoudMouthMan> okay well if were looking for other areas to promote and recruit then locate your local BNI Chapter ( Business Network international ) and see if you drop in for a breakfast.
[11:49] <jono> where each of the loco team IRC channels has events, maybe physical events where possible and other things
[11:49] <elkbuntu> jono, agreed, i would assume lots of useful documenting would be done on the day, and calling it 'recruitment drive' sounds way too ominous
[11:49] <JoeyStanford> newz, coupled with altavista babelfish ;-)
[11:49] <Plug> ...and get it Slashdotted...
[11:49] <AdamBagnall> and dugg
[11:49] <glennji> jono, speaking as a "newbie" in the country AND ubuntu AND loco, I'd really like an Open Day.
[11:49] <LoudMouthMan> Plug, surely we need to be Dugg ?
[11:49] <looksaus> a nice recruitment activity I did in Belgium (well, the Dutch speaking 60%) was to use all my sources to find at least one person in every >50k inhabitants
[11:49] <elkbuntu> Plug, if you know someone/s who can arrange that, do so
[11:49] <Plug> pass, I don't do digg :P
[11:49] <jono> elkbuntu, ok, I think it would make sense to have a team of us working to get all LoCo's up and running with an Open Day
[11:50] <yama> "Recruitment drive? You mean Canonical is hiring???"
[11:50] <Plug> yama: good point
[11:50] <newz2000> yama: www.ubuntu.com/employment
[11:50] <jono> I think just saying "lets do an Open Day" is not enough to get all LoCo teams involved
[11:50] <elkbuntu> jono, you know i'll be there
[11:50] <jono> elkbuntu, cool :)
[11:50] <Plug> "Whats in it for them"?
[11:50] <elkbuntu> this is going to take a few weeks of plotting
[11:50] <jono> right, well I will send out a mail about the open day
[11:50] <jono> yes, luckily we can talk at the UDS
[11:50] <elkbuntu> yes, indeed
[11:50] <elkbuntu> who here will be at UDS?
[11:51] <jono> JoeyStanford, sorry?
[11:51] <JoeyStanford> jono: I have a topic change when you are ready
[11:51] <jono> JoeyStanford, oh np, we will finish this up first
[11:51] <jono> awesome, should we have a open day meeting?
[11:51] <jono> we can organise it when we are there
[11:51] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: you know I will be :)
[11:52] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, well yeah, i was hoping to find out things i didnt already know
[11:52] <elkbuntu> jono, yes, agreed
[11:52] <jono> cool, so people happy to make the open day our first major event?
[11:53] <elkbuntu> heck yes
[11:53] <JoeyStanford> Question for the Group: Has anyone developed a "what's in it for me?" list (besides the small bit my team did) for recruitment?
[11:53] <jono> JoeyStanford, no, and that should go in the docs where possible
[11:53] <elkbuntu> JoeyStanford, hmm? 'warm fuzzy feeling' doesnt cut it for some?
[11:53] <elkbuntu> ;)
[11:53] <jono> we could do with some art for things like that
[11:53] <Plug> solves "Get involved or fuck off"
[11:53] <elkbuntu> Plug, rofl
[11:53] <JoeyStanford> hehe.. Yeah it comes up a lot here.
[11:54] <jono> maybe some standard posters for "reasons to be cheerful" :)
[11:54] <JoeyStanford> Not just why Ubuntu but why a LoCo
[11:54] <JoeyStanford> I'll add it to the Todo list
[11:54] <jono> :)
[11:54] <elkbuntu> rock on, JoeyStanford :)
[11:54] <jono> nice work JoeyStanford :)
[11:54] <jono> ok, any other ideas to bring up right now?
[11:55] <JoeyStanford> me me me
[11:55] <newz2000> jono: I added two things to the agenda
[11:55] <newz2000> we can talk about them later if you like
[11:55] <jono> newz2000, my only concern is time, we are nearly out
[11:55] <jono> newz2000, as per the first item, I have been working on that
[11:56] <jono> newz2000, sorry for the delay, been swamped
[11:56] <jono> newz2000, and I got your mail for the second one too
[11:56] <jono> newz2000, there is a session at UDS about standardising resources
[11:56] <newz2000> no prob, its good to be able to say you're workign on it
[11:56] <jono> newz2000, can I suggest we keep those items for the next meeting?
[11:56] <newz2000> That is just fine for me.
[11:57] <jono> newz2000, awesome
[11:57] <jono> so, next item folks?
[11:57] <LoudMouthMan> yep
[11:57] <jono> Emil? are you here?
[11:57] <elkbuntu> what is his irc nick?
[11:58] <jono> no idea
[11:58] <jono> anyone know who Emil is?
[11:58] <elkbuntu> scouring for info now
[11:58] <newz2000> opi according to launchpad
[11:59] <jono> not here?
[11:59] <elkbuntu> -NickServ-           Last Seen: 5 hours 12 minutes 29 seconds ago
[11:59] <newz2000> opi :No such nick/channel
[11:59] <jono> just pinging
[11:59] <jono> erk
[11:59] <jono> ok, well we can't discuss that without him
[11:59] <jono> so we will defer that too
[11:59] <jono> just before we finish...
[11:59] <Plug> which makes it time for lunch :P
[11:59] <jono> if everyone could look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamsUDSMVSpecs
[12:00] <jono> these are the specs I have added for the UDS that are LoCo related
[12:00] <jono> I am still working on filling them out
[12:00] <jono> if anyone has any thoughts or comments, at them to the pages so we can cover them at the sessions
[12:00] <jono> I will be blogging about it soon to drum up interest in the issues
[12:00] <Plug> I've told ajmitch he must attend all of these. :P
[12:00] <jono> and final, final thing, how is this time for everyone for a meeting?
[12:00] <jono> Plug, :P
[12:00] <looksaus> jono, do you prefer additions as comments to these pages?
[12:01] <jono> looksaus, yes please
[12:01] <looksaus> ok
[12:01] <jono> I should outline that on the page really
[12:01] <LoudMouthMan> okay well i can see a few items in that which Popey would find interesting
[12:01] <dthacke1> jono, time is not bad.   
[12:01] <newz2000> jono: I'm here
[12:01] <jono> looksaus, well, they can be visible, but identify the comment with your name
[12:01] <newz2000> dthacke1: we're in the same timezone :)
[12:01] <looksaus> k
[12:01] <jono> we are still finding out feet with meeting times, so lets see what people think
[12:02] <jono> well, I think we are done folks
[12:02] <elkbuntu> :)
[12:02] <dthacke1> newz2000: hi neighbor, can I borrow a cup of Edgy CD's?
[12:02] <jono> you are doing an awesome job with our community, I am really proud of everyone :)
[12:02] <jono> lets keep kicking arse in new and different ways :)
[12:02] <LoudMouthMan> hmm better hire octopuses then .. they can kick arse 8 ways !
[12:02] <elkbuntu> we have you to thank though, jono.
[12:02] <JoeyStanford> +1
[12:02] <jono> I think if we continue to grow the project, get our docs written, we can do some awesome stuff :)
[12:02] <looksaus> +1
[12:03] <LoudMouthMan> but cheers Jono
[12:03] <jono> :)
[12:03] <kjcole> I'll try to remember to keep up with this (I got away from all the on-line stuff for a while)...  Later all
[12:03] <newz2000> dthacke1: just burned my first last night!
[12:03] <jono> nice one, thanks folks :)
[12:05] <newz2000> dthacke1: where is the nebraska team based?
[12:05] <newz2000> (where in Nebraska that is)
[12:05] <Rinchen> Good question, I can smell and Colorado and Nebraska shindig
[12:05] <dthacke1> Omaha for now,  I need more help, so I'm going to start recruiting out west.
[12:05] <jono> later all!
[12:05] <newz2000> dthacke1: cool. I'm not far, in Des MOines
[12:06] <newz2000> Rinchen: where are you at?
[12:06] <Rinchen> Denver/Boulder
[12:06] <dthacke1> Is there an Iowa Team or are you working with the Midwest team
[12:06] <newz2000> I'm not part of either team, and as far as I know, there is no Iowa team.
[12:07] <Rinchen> I've been thinking about reaching out to you and others nearby to have a multi-state Ubuntu Conference.
[12:07] <newz2000> Rinchen: I used to live in Windsor Colorado
[12:07] <newz2000> near fort collins/greely.
[12:07] <Rinchen> Ah, well, I'm 66 and County line :-) 
[12:07] <dthacke1> newz, I have a daughter in college down in Lamoni, I was thinking of doing something down there.  Maybe you could give us a hand?
[12:07] <newz2000> maybe. I think you're my closest loco team
[12:08] <dthacke1> Well, we decided we'd start with a day's drive from Omaha, including Western Iowa, until Iowa started doing their own thing. 
[12:09] <newz2000> dthacke1: have you had any group meetings yet?
[12:09] <dthacke1> but we're only a week old.  Just got mailing list last night. 
[12:09] <newz2000> ah, so that's a no.
[12:09] <newz2000> :D
[12:09] <Burgwork> is the locomeeting done?
[12:09] <Burgwork> can we move out of -meeting?
[12:09] <newz2000> sure
[12:09] <dthacke1> yep, heading to locoteams