=== cbx33 [n=aliasveg@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:30] ogra: ping [12:31] Burgwork, only two minutes ... i'm preparing for my flight ... [12:31] hey peeps ... any one know why i just put a sound card into my edgy machine....and now the system is really really laggy, but with no visible processes running....IRQ conflict? [12:31] ogra: no worries [12:31] (in 5h but i'm packing here) [12:31] running a top shows nothing [12:31] but the mouse and keyboard are really really laggy [12:31] ogra: just wanted to talk about specs, [12:32] Burgwork, edubuntu-directory-server ? [12:32] ogra: funnily enough, yes [12:33] well, its about integrating AD into edubuntu ... whatever solution we'll have we'll have it deeply integrated in edubuntu and will have to have some installer tweaks ... [12:34] since i'm tired of being told that someone implements it i took a finished solution for the proposal, and invited upstream [12:34] ah [12:35] if you guys come up with something i can safely release with feisty, fine ... if not i'll go for smbldap, since thats the used solution in many/most edu distros atm [12:35] just wondering about it, 'cause I had never heard of it [12:35] and it seems to work well with generic admin tools [12:36] i submitted a spec for edgy already, which mdz marked obsolete because network-authentication was there ... [12:36] the other piece you might want to care about is lat, which might be accepted upstream in GNOME for their admin section [12:36] for feisty AD integration in edubuntu is one of my declared goals, its achievable with an existing solution [12:36] oh, lat was the name ... [12:37] did you look at edsadmin ? [12:37] well, I am not going to be at MTV, but I am certain ajmitch and wasabi will talk well [12:37] took a peek at the screenshots [12:38] right, i saw that wasabi will come [12:38] as well as moquist and dtrask (smbldap upstream) [12:38] w00t for the AD integration [12:38] is smblap an entire ldap server [12:38] ? [12:38] been wanting that for ages [12:38] please please please make it so we can map home dir's too [12:39] its http://www.majen.net/smbldap/ [12:39] ogra you're good with hardware....does my problem sound familiar to you? - could the sound card be confilcting with the usb? [12:39] yes, but that page wasn't clear [12:40] its only setting settings of samba, ldap, pam to act as NT4 AD server ... [12:40] ah, ok [12:40] have you seen easy-ldap-server? [12:40] our spec [12:41] roughly ... i didnt have much time the last days ... [12:41] ok, no worries [12:41] i'll look over it if i put details into the e-d-s spec [12:41] I am certain it will all come clear with discussions at MTV [12:41] (its still empty if you noticed) [12:41] yes [12:41] right [12:41] easy-ldap-server is pretty light on stuff [12:42] i just want to be sure to release a solution with feisty [12:42] indeed [12:42] i dont care which one as long as its feasable [12:42] and smbldap simply is *t6he* solution in education atm ... [12:43] so we'll see where we probably could merge efforts ...i'm sure dtrask and moqist are open for everything [12:44] the -directory people aren't really concentrating on the server side this release [12:44] because we need a rock solid client-side solution first [12:46] well [12:46] thats quitre trivial pam changes for a start [12:46] *quite [12:46] ajmitch knows the full details, along with wasabi [12:46] right [12:47] as there are two somewhat parallel things [12:47] ubuntu <--> ubunt [12:47] and ubuntu <--> AD [12:50] ogra: are you also aware of the work Novell is doing? [12:51] yep ... but my time is up ... [12:51] no worries [12:51] good flight [12:51] I might see you in MTV [12:51] i really need to pack now eles i'll sleep to long :) === ogra crosses fingers Burgwork can make it [12:52] bye all [12:57] bye ogra === cbx33 is starting a new project ;) [01:00] cbx33: new project? [01:00] yeh [01:00] just a little app [01:00] hoping it'll make it into feisty [01:01] what does it do? [01:01] oooh...I can't give all that away === cbx33 wants a working prototype first [01:02] then I'll show it to you guys first I promise [01:03] Burgwork: hm? [01:03] ajmitch: just talking about the edubuntu-auth-server stuff [01:04] ok === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=mario@83-131-30-211.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === botxj [n=botxj@ip70-187-199-233.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:37] Happy Halloweeeeeeeeeeeen [01:37] Halloween apples! [01:37] Trick or Treat! [01:38] Smell my feet! [01:38] Give me something good to eat! [01:44] sbalneav: good evening === sbalneav passes Burgwork a halloween treat [01:47] yay! halloween [01:47] I got a great halloween treat from work today [01:47] 19" widescreen monitor === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [01:48] Sweeet [01:49] LaserJock!!! === sbalneav passes LaserJock a halloween treat with a laser in the middle. === LaserJock accidentally blows his retina off while chomping on candy === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-241-87-17.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=Jack@221.216.191.252] has joined #edubuntu === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.252] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco wakes up [02:32] hey jsgotangco [02:32] Burgwork: congratulations on your new laptop [02:32] heh [02:32] indeed. congats on yours [02:32] means I am wipe windows off it [02:33] really and i was planning to prepare it for vista [02:33] bwahaha [02:33] joke [02:33] but I shiny halloween gift from work [02:33] 19" widescreen monitor [02:36] you guys got new laptops? [02:37] you guys stink! [02:38] my laptop has died once again [02:38] laugh! [02:38] no [02:38] don't know if a soldering job will fix it this time [02:38] the testing team laptops are ours now [02:38] must be nice [02:38] ah cool [02:40] nixternal: no our 1 1/2 year old laptops from canonical are now ours [02:40] once again, "must be nice" ;) [02:40] muhehe [02:41] I am debating buying on of those shiny lenovo thinkpads soonish [02:41] 1 1/2 year laptop works though? my 6yr< laptop doesn't again ;) [02:41] my laptop is too large and I dislike the widescreen [02:41] nixternal: its pretty old now considering the shiny new core duos [02:41] i want a widescreen, but i don't have the widescreen money [02:41] hehe [02:42] although i doubt there would be a laptop testing team part 2 [02:42] i can get a virgin mobile cell phone, about the closes i can get right now ;) [02:42] problem is, my widescreen is only 800pix high [02:42] which makes it hard to see anything [02:42] lol, my laptop is that wide ;) [02:43] I was thinking of trying to get a 12 or 13 " for my next one (a long time from now) [02:43] i can't complain, my lappy has been cranking out Linux for more than 6 years, and i had the display replaced once, for one that stinks, and i just tried to mend a warped motherboard, and im thinking i may need to do some more mending to it [02:44] back in a flash === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=Jack@221.216.191.252] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt_ [n=Jack@221.216.191.252] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt_ is now known as jack_wyt === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=Jack@221.216.191.252] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@201.215.79.34] has joined #edubuntu === botxj [n=botxj@ip70-187-199-233.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === freet15_ [n=freet15@221.216.191.252] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.86.253] has joined #edubuntu === freet15_ is now known as freet15 === botxj [n=botxj@ip70-187-199-233.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === botxj [n=botxj@ip70-187-199-233.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === botxj [n=botxj@ip70-187-199-233.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === botxj [n=botxj@ip70-187-199-233.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@201.215.79.34] has joined #edubuntu === botxj [n=botxj@ip70-187-199-233.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === botxj [n=botxj@ip70-187-199-233.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:56] sbalneav: you can get the ubuntu font by installing the ttf-ubuntu-title package === botxj [n=botxj@ip70-187-199-233.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego [n=cafuego@ppp194-138.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has left #edubuntu [] === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu [07:11] morning all [07:11] gday [07:12] hi Kamping_Kaiser [07:13] RichEd! [07:14] :) [07:16] RichEd: finally got my email back [07:16] and read your menu email [07:16] ah ... does it make sense ? [07:17] yeah, you want to be able to determine what the menu looks like without having to actually go in there and write it down [07:17] I gotta take a quick shower and then we can discuss it ;-) [07:18] thanks ... I am also going though the feature request from the email lists, for discussion at the meeting today === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-241-87-17.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [07:23] wb [07:26] ping ? [07:28] RichEd: back [07:28] RichEd: basically, as you said, it's not straightforward [07:29] the menu is created dynamically from .directory, .menu, and .desktop files === RichEd is listening [07:29] so there is no one file that give the menu layout [07:30] Can I step back a second to clarify what I am trying to achieve ? It may shortcut the discussion. [07:31] sure [07:32] I have heard comments often from people that: "when you install windows, all you get is an operating system, but when you install (add any linux brand name here) you get open office and a whole lot of applications" ... so ... [07:33] In order to get across what or how much more you get when you install Edubuntu ... ready to use off the CD ... it would be great if we could have a bullet list of applications. [07:34] yep that's what I did for the Edubuntu School Advocacy doc [07:34] I just went down the menu [07:34] tedious [07:35] So from my "naieve outside standpoint" surely there is a list that was compiled (and maintained) by the "person" who selected the applications ? [07:36] heh [07:36] the closest you will really get to a list of "stuff" is the seeds [07:36] And a process for making changes to the list, that can trigger off a flag to update the promo bullet list ? [07:37] if the menu is generated dynamically, cant it be 'recreated' for 'other use then showing'? [07:37] a list of apps is easy [07:37] Kamping_Kaiser: not to my knowledge [07:38] Burgundavia: but a useful list of apps that is automatically maintained? [07:38] sure [07:38] And if there is currently not a process or list, would it make sense to create and maintain a list, with a process attached. [07:38] /usr/share/applications/blah.desktop [07:38] parse anything that is in accessories, games, etc. [07:38] done [07:38] Burgundavia: sure, but that's assuming you have a default install [07:39] any package should instlal there [07:39] or ~/.local/applications/ [07:39] right, but we are trying to maintain a list of apps installed by default [07:40] to what end? [07:40] so you could do it in a chroot or you could go through the list of default packages and get it [07:40] right [07:40] for that you need something else entirely, assuming you are only talking ubuntu here [07:40] To let you know where I am coming from, for a home user of windows, looking for applications on the internet, deciding what looks good, working out what what is freeware, shareware (with time expiry), cripple demo ware, downloading, installing ... all of these are a major schlep factor. [07:40] right, are you trying to clone installs? [07:40] I am still lost [07:41] If we can say: [07:41] no, we are just trying to say, "Edubuntu comes installed with ..." [07:41] [1] you get this functionality ready to use off the CD [07:41] right [07:41] the seeds [07:41] right [07:41] I was going to suggest taking the seed and looking for .desktops [07:41] [2] you get this functionality off add/remove applications, with low level knowledge required to get up and running [07:41] if you want a list of what is installed right now, post install, the packages for a raw list and the .desktop files for an "end user list" [07:42] then to me this is a major plus factor [07:42] LaserJock: seeds are already commented [07:42] are we talking for marketing materials? [07:42] yep ... web site, talks, presentations etc. [07:42] Burgundavia: but the seeds don't say which packages have .desktops [07:42] if they are enduser apps, they have .desktop files [07:42] right, that's what I said [07:43] the default loadout is pretty easy to get [07:43] you can also just eyeball a default install [07:43] yep [07:43] RichEd was just looking for something we could easily maintain [07:44] how does add/remove apps do its thing? [07:44] our brains, those maintain well [07:44] we *were* going to make a wiki page with that material [07:44] Kamping_Kaiser: parses .desktop files [07:44] 'its thing' being say 'packages selected' and 'packages available'? [07:44] there is already one out there [07:44] Edubuntu does not ship with that many apps [07:44] more then Ubuntu [07:44] not that many [07:44] no [07:44] KDE-edu suite, gcompris [07:45] what else? [07:45] tuxmath [07:45] right [07:45] tuxpaint [07:45] xaos [07:45] inkscape? dia? [07:45] denemo and kino I think [07:45] RichEd: I can probably list off the list of apps edubuntu and ubuntu ship just off the top of my head [07:45] we did have blender I think at one point [07:45] it is a fairly static list [07:46] Burgundavia, can you autolist intoa wiki? ;) [07:46] for instance, 6.10 added f-spot and tomboy [07:46] Burgundavia: ^^ Kamping_Kaiser [07:46] upstream added baobob and invest applet [07:47] So Burgundavia does every upstream application make its way into our variant ? [07:48] largely yes, but I don't think Edubuntu has mono yet === Kamping_Kaiser mutters yay [07:48] you can get the differences by diffing the seeds [07:48] now that they are maintained in bzr, it is trivially easy [07:49] yeah, I've done it a few times [07:49] but honestly, once we get a list once, it will take 5 minutes to prune/add it for each release [07:49] Burgundavia: 100% ... [07:50] tell you what ... I'll start a list on a wiki page, and then you can let me know what I've missed, and who is responsible for each addition/removal/update, and give suggestions on how we keep the list current [07:50] sounds good [07:51] I would love to have a bullet list of application and functionality: [07:51] [1] this you can do with just the CD [07:51] you are about to get it [07:51] [2] this you can do if you have an internet connection [07:51] etc. [07:51] [2] is tough [07:52] 2 if you have the cd, 3 if you have a net connection wouldnt it? or does hte live cd not support post-install instlaling? [07:52] but I hope by the end of feisty we'll have a better list [07:52] LaserJock: if it's tough for us, how tough is it for an end user ? [07:52] Kamping_Kaiser: if you have the alternate cd, yes [07:52] RichEd: much more so [07:52] but not on the live? :| [07:52] live is not packages [07:52] no, the live cd doesn't have an .debs [07:52] live is data, unpacked .debs [07:53] Just look at the amount of discussion this "seemingly simple request" has generated. === Kamping_Kaiser dislikes live mroe and more :( [07:53] 2 is more like CNR [07:53] we can, however, prune the lsit out [07:53] recommend apps in each category [07:54] meta-packages (or takss) for each category [07:54] *tasks [07:54] kind of overkill, for what is likely one package [07:55] I am thinking: Video Editing: Kino (installed) === RichEd comments: If we had an infomercial for Edubuntu, and the person complining the advertisement said to us, what can we include in the "If you install Edubuntu now, not only do you get a great desktop ... but you also get ..." section, it seems we are currently unable to give a normal person an answer. Seems a pity to have great & useful functionality that we are unable to easily describe. [07:55] once we get them into Edubuntu, we have gnome-app-install [07:55] RichEd: have you played much with it? [07:56] easy describing also helps when you want to contact people to ask what would help them ;) [07:56] Burgundavia: I was thinking more along the lines of edubuntu-science, edubuntu-math, etc. [07:56] right [07:56] that is slightly tangent to what we are talking about [07:56] I don't think it is necessarily [07:56] Burgundavia: mostly productivity work ... not as a "what else can I do suite" [07:57] RichEd: sorry? [07:57] RichEd: have you played much with it? [07:57] right [07:58] Okay ... I'm going to slip out of the current discussion, and get the wiki page up. Then we can discuss in a sticky fashion. [07:58] I think if we had groupings of packages into meta packages then [2] becomes much easier [07:59] there is a very large amount of packages in Universe that people have acces to [07:59] letting people know that is important, IMO [08:00] help.u.c down for anybody else? [08:01] nope [08:02] dns works -> help.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.234 [08:08] LaserJock: also, I think we should have in the list / matrix: [08:08] Available in [Dapper-LTS] [Edgy] [Feisty] [08:08] Maybe even: [08:08] RichEd: 6.06, 6.10 [08:08] Available in [Ubuntu] [Edubuntu] [Kubuntu] [08:08] the code names are not used [08:08] so noted [08:09] anythin in Ubuntu is also in everything else and vice versa [08:09] they share the same repos [08:09] Burgundavia: you commented above "I don't think edubuntu has mon yet" [08:09] mono [08:09] imo if you care about gtk/qt/gnome/kde dependancies, you know enough to look it up. [08:09] ah, by default [08:10] ubuntu installs mono by default [08:10] Kamping_Kaiser: the end user shouldn't care and that is what we have repos for [08:10] we are recommending best of breed apps [08:11] It may be a bit of work to set it up now (which I am prepared to do) but my thinking is "the list can only change if some human being makes a decision" and so if we have a full list, and an update trigger for when that human makes a decision, we can keep it up to date as a matter of process. [08:11] how big do you imagine this list to be? [08:11] Burgundavia, *most* end users dont. [08:12] Kamping_Kaiser: we can say "you may also try" [08:12] if they know what gtk and qt are, they can figure it out [08:12] pretty much. [08:14] end users don't figure stuff out ... either it hits them across the head in big marketing bite size chunks, or they take the eaist path, which is ignorance, or a route away [08:14] easiest [08:15] Now although I am not encouraging that sort of consumer behavior, if we want to target the mass audience, we need to cater for them ... which I am prepared to do, alongside the excellent dev work that the tech heads are already providing. [08:17] the biggest thing we can do is the following: promote the crap out of gnome-app-install [08:17] talk it up all the time [08:18] everything is moving deck chairs on the ship [08:19] Last comment on this angle, is that the end user has no clue what gnome is, never mind what gnome-app-install is ... but if he sees "hey it comes with a free CAD package I can use to plan the extra room my wife and I want to build for the new kid on the way" then he sees a real world benefit to him. [08:20] that is why gnome-app-isntall is cunningly diguised as "Add/Remove Applications" on the applications menu === willvdl [n=Will@vc-196-207-32-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:22] hey willvdl [08:22] Burgundavia, hey [08:23] agreed ... but add/remove applications is only visible once the guy has installed, which brings me back in a full circle to the start if this thread, where can I list what is available ! [08:23] lol [08:23] hi willvdl [08:23] hi there [08:23] yes [08:24] RichEd, missed the thread but are you referring to a list of (grouped) apps during the install? [08:26] a bullet point list of "what you get when you install edubuntu" [08:26] "what you can download and install if you have an internet conntection" [08:27] application name and functionality ... bite size promotional chunk sfor Joe VeryAverage [08:27] ooh, the latter could be a big list :) [08:30] on the on hand, that is a drawback, on the other hand it is a "wow, look at al the shit I can get" ! [08:30] *on the one hand === willvdl wonders if there are stats for the most downloaded apps in ed/k/ubuntu === nixternal notes the x as well ;) [08:35] point [08:36] hehe [08:36] I must make a point of looking at xubuntu again since breezy [08:36] willvdl: good point ... if we could show those figures, in an Amazon like format, that would be a good thing" people who teach this subject also downloaded these applications" [08:38] one would then need a user profile for people to download. not sure if that would happen [08:38] unless we grew the comm to advocate certain apps [08:39] aim high, start low ... just a thought to keep on radar ... we may be able to get something like this in the user space as a long term target [08:46] well, there is popcon [08:48] popcon? [08:50] popularity contest [08:50] popcon.ubuntu.com [08:51] ooh. missed that [08:51] I believe it is being used to "rate" packages in gnome-app-install === RichEd jumps up and down and waves his hands around in the air [08:52] yikes [08:52] you see ! we have the bits we need, just dispersed, and all we need is coordination, not creation. [08:53] so much of the work has been done ... it's just a (current) pity that we do not have the last mile === jack_wyt [n=Jack@221.216.191.252] has joined #edubuntu === jono [n=jono@88-107-3-169.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu [09:02] RichEd: I think you hit the nail on the head :) [09:10] highvoltage: Often I picture Mike Chiles or Alixe Lowenherz or Trudi in my head, and think about what they need or what would make sense to them in the course of their working day. [09:11] We've already got something of huge benefit to them, we just need to be able to wrap it up in a format that rings their bells. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === jsgmobile [n=jsgmobil@125.212.50.142] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage tends to keep the end users and administrators in mind, but to each their own === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-127-80.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd is rebooting === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-241-87-17.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=mario@83-131-77-249.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [09:42] pygi ... hello there [09:42] Hey [09:43] hey RichEd [09:49] 'lo jsgmobile [09:54] hi jsgmobile [09:55] Hey [09:56] This sucks it has no tab completion [09:56] ow, how can you handle it :( === stgraber [i=stgraber@unaffiliated/stgraber] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser wonders if theres a gnome bug open on 'connet to server' failling silently with ssh key issues [09:57] I just type [09:57] I have a qwerty layout [09:58] jsgmobile, how mobile are you? pda mobile, or laptop mobile? [09:59] Mobile phone via wlan hehehe [10:00] *grin* [10:01] night all [10:01] night [10:01] It seems im using it more for data rather than voice [10:16] g'night Burgundavia ... === RichEd goes off to collect his passport = 1 hour [10:17] cool. === jbrefort [n=jean@lns-bzn-29-82-248-215-238.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=Will@vc-196-207-32-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.252] has joined #edubuntu === kwak [n=opera@61.19.195.42] has joined #edubuntu [10:53] hi, anybody has a guide on how to authenticate an edubuntu box to Active Directory? [10:55] http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_Configure_Ubuntu_for_Active_Directory_Authentication [10:55] novell might be able to help ;) [10:56] im using k12ltsp 5.0 at the moment, but planning to move to edubuntu. hows the performance of edubuntu compared to fedora 5 [10:56] ive been having problem with fedora. [10:57] dont know. i dont use rpm distros [10:57] i think because of my broadcom Gb NICs. [10:57] anybody knows if there's a problem with broadcom NICs in edubuntu? [11:04] where's teh download page for edubuntu. i went to /download. nothing's there [11:04] tried download.edubuntu? [11:05] yes. [11:05] none [11:05] kwak: let me check for you [11:06] hi RichEd. [11:06] i waited for this version (6.10). [11:07] hope this will work fine for me now. [11:07] kwak: have you tried this http://www.edubuntu.org/Download [11:07] yes [11:07] and what goes wrong or is the problem ? [11:08] no link for download [11:08] ?? there is a list of country mirrors ?? [11:09] i only see three hyperlinks. 1 release announcement, 2, instructions on how to burn the CD, 3, Edubuntu 6.10: the newest Edubuntu release. [11:09] the latter is not responding to my click [11:09] that's weight, i don't have that list [11:10] [Edubuntu 6.10, the Newest Edubuntu Release] that is a heading ... you should also have a list underneath that like this: [11:10] yeah, i see that, nothing underneath that. [11:11] refresh your page please and let me know ... I'll also /msg you the links [11:11] i did a refresh. still the same [11:12] hope its not blocked by the government here. [11:12] http://edubuntu.org/Download#edgy has the country list - whats wrong with using one of them? [11:12] i don't see any reason. [11:12] what is the last line you see on your screen ?? [11:12] Edubuntu 6.10: the newest Edubuntu release If you would like to benefit from the latest Edubu [11:13] Kamping_Kaiser: his page is busted [11:13] aaah ok. how bizare [11:13] kwak ... the page you are seeing is about 20% of the full page ... something is wrong with your connection or proxy I think [11:14] yeah. i think filtering from the ISP. [11:14] I see that you have seen my msg window links ... try those and let me know if you have any problem [11:15] i tried the torrent file. [11:15] btw, how's the performance of edubunt 6.10 compare to k12ltsp (fedora 5) [11:15] Kamping_Kaiser: re our application conversation earlier, I have found some pages on the wiki, but they are (1) old (2) duplicate and (3) a bit long and confusing ... so it has been attemepted before ... [11:16] kwak: 6.10 uses LTSP 5 pre-release ... which has significant benefits in MTSP mode [11:16] let me get the release announcement link for you [11:16] i find such lists quite hard to make+maintain - i have tried before (not for ubuntu) [11:16] which is why i would rather a technical solution [11:17] kwak see: http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8 [ Features of the integration work for LTSP-5 in Edubuntu include ] [11:18] thanks [11:18] i read that [11:19] does edubuntu have issues with broadcom NICs [11:20]