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imbrandonheya toma12:26
tomahey imbrandon12:27
imbrandontoma, looks like me and you are roomies at MTV heh12:27
fdovingimbrandon: could you do a upload for me please? 12:27
imbrandonfdoving, to where ?12:27
UbugtuMalone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  12:27
tomaimbrandon: 12:27
imbrandonfdoving, sure12:27
imbrandontoma, my mistake, i read it wrong, your not12:28
imbrandonfdoving, give me a few minutes to finish up what i got going then i will12:28
tomaimbrandon: grrr. i was happy for a sec ;-)12:28
imbrandonheh hold on lemme look again whom it is12:29
imbrandonjohn trapsell iirc 12:29
fdovingimbrandon: please use the diff/dsc at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kopete-edgy/ - added one more bug to the list (basically closing the SRU bug too).12:29
fdovingdon't want to spam launchpad with another debdiff for such a small change.12:30
fdovingnite toma.12:30
imbrandonfdoving, hrm i'm inclined to use the patch from the bug report as thats what mdz OK's12:32
imbrandonis that a problem ?12:32
fdovingwell.. the changelog must be changed.12:32
fdovingas he says in the same comment.12:32
fdovingand that's what i've done.12:32
imbrandonok but still a one liner fix ?12:32
imbrandoni'll grab it now12:33
fdovingyou can use the debdiff i attached last.12:33
fdovingif you want to.12:33
fdovingthere must be a new upload to -updates anyway.12:33
fdovingI can have the SRU bug listed then.12:33
imbrandonok so http://librarian.launchpad.net/4942274/kopete_fix_kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1_kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2_NEW.debdiff12:34
imbrandonthats ok ^^12:34
imbrandonok i set the target to proposed12:35
imbrandonand i'll upload in a sec12:35
fdovingthanks :)12:35
imbrandoncrimsun, i just set the distro to edgy-proposed and it will do the right thing correct ?12:37
imbrandonRiddell, fdoving, toma, Sime, Lure https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-koffice-by-default regestered, input welcome12:38
fdovingis koffice 1.6 mature enought? 12:42
imbrandonyes imho, and many others it seems, koffice is one of the first things i install to replce oo.o 12:43
imbrandonon new installations12:43
imbrandonsince dapper flight 112:43
fdovingdoes it play nice with microsoft products? 12:44
fdoving.. and formats.12:44
jjessethat's what i'm intersted in?12:45
imbrandonyea , i have no problems with .doc's and xls spreadsheets12:45
imbrandonnot tried much else but it seems to hadle them as good as oo.o if not better12:45
fdovingare there powerpc packages of 1.6 somewhere? 12:45
imbrandonno i havent finished compiling the ppc ones yet12:46
imbrandon( but the source is on kubuntu.org if you have the time )12:46
fdovingyou have a build running? 12:46
fdovingI can leave it building during the night. 12:46
imbrandoni did last night but my 800mhz choked on it and i havent started it back up12:46
fdovingI'll have to go to bed soon anyway.12:46
imbrandonfdoving, that would rock if you could get the dsc from kubuntu.org and pbuild it ( riddell would likely upload it too )12:47
imbrandoni just havent yet12:47
imbrandonbut mostly its about replacing oo.o with koffice , i said 1.6 becouse thats what will be in feisty12:48
fdovingthis discussion was up before breezy, and before dapper, the conclusion back then was that oo.o was the more mature of the two, and that everyone else used it.12:50
fdovinghow is koffice <-> oo.o working? 12:50
imbrandonwell koffice has matured alot , and for the disk and memory requirements it fits the bill, with kubuntu being one of the bigest KDE distros it will also help with the stability of it12:51
imbrandonfdoving, ...12:53
imbrandon OK: kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.dsc12:53
imbrandon     -> Component: main Section: kde12:53
imbrandon OK: kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.3.orig.tar.gz12:53
imbrandon OK: kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.diff.gz12:53
imbrandonThis upload awaits approval by a distro manager12:53
fdovingnice, thanks :)12:54
imbrandon^^ done just needs tfheen or someone to poke it through12:54
fdovingneeds testing and everything.12:54
fdovingshould stay in -proposed for ~7 days if the SRU guidelines is followed.12:54
imbrandonbut its not in the archive yet, a distro manager needs to poke it in 12:55
fdovingah. understand.12:55
imbrandonas the last line of that says12:55
fdovingjust read it. :] 12:55
fdovingtfheen is probably sleeping.12:55
fdovingi'll ping him tomorrow.12:56
imbrandonsilly silly mez01:00
fdovingimbrandon: hey.. there are ppc debs :)01:07
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fdovinggood nite.01:13
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jdongyay, new fglrx with substantially less AVIVO tearage01:44
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jjessehiya Hobbsee01:51
Jucatohi Hobbsee! morning! (or noon...) :)01:52
Hobbseehey jjesse, Jucato 01:52
Hobbseeimbrandon: @ the kopete SRU, is it actually broken for you?01:52
imbrandonHobbsee, yes , why ?01:53
Hobbseeimbrandon: because i can sign into icq fine here01:54
imbrandonhrm , many many cant01:54
Hobbseeyes, which was why i left it late last night01:54
Hobbseeit's a different fix to usual, hmmm01:54
imbrandonyea its a diffrent problem01:55
jjessepeople are having problems w/ kopete?01:55
imbrandonanyhow its already approved by mdz and uploaded :)01:55
Hobbseeimbrandon: so i see.  clearly i shouldnt sleep01:58
imbrandonhuh ?01:58
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Hobbseeimbrandon: i got that in my email late last night, then when i sign onto irc the next day, it's fixed01:59
imbrandonheh ok, i still dont see the issue 01:59
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nixternalman..this doc build is really irritating me tonight02:06
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Jucatoum... which font or package installed with kubuntu-desktop gives support for Japanese text? (I can't see them in Konvi...)02:07
nixternaldamn..i know this answer02:08
Jucatooh please do tell :)02:09
nixternali can't02:10
Jucatoaw... :(02:10
nixternalbecause i can't remember right now02:10
Jucatook. thanks for trying :)02:10
nixternaland i was just looking at the doc makefile for the answer, and it wasn't in there02:10
nixternalwow, i just realised there are no Japanese translations for Edgy02:14
nixternali take that back02:15
nixternalfound them ;)02:15
Jucatoyay! where?02:15
nixternali dont have anything with the font hgouh02:16
Jucatoaaah ok. I thought it was for my font question :)02:16
nixternalttf-kochi* and ttf-mikachan02:17
nixternalthose are the 3 fonts i seen with 'apt-cache search japanese'02:17
Jucatowhich gives tons of results. heheh thanks I'll try them out :)02:17
nixternalttf-kochi-gothic-naga10 - Kochi Subst Gothic Japanese TrueType font with naga10 (non-free)02:17
nixternalttf-kochi-mincho-naga10 - Kochi Subst Mincho Japanese TrueType font with naga10 (non-free)02:17
nixternalttf-mikachan - handwritten Japanese Truetype font02:17
nixternalholy jesus there are a lot02:17
nixternaljust not those 302:17
nixternal#ubuntu-ja maybe?02:18
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nixternalyou left b4 i realised it and posted "holy jesus there are a lot"02:19
nixternaland then02:19
nixternal#ubuntu-ja maybe?02:19
Jucatojp. I'll try. but it's mostly because I used to see Japanese text in Konversation, and now I can't. oh well. nothing critical really. thanks! :)02:19
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Hobbseehey jsgotangco 02:27
Jucatomorning jsgotangco! :)02:27
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Jucatosun's shining brightly over here :)02:28
jsgotangcoi have nothing to do till sunday i have to think of something02:29
Hobbseejsgotangco: implement a spec02:33
jsgotangcoyeah we were thinking of doing something on the bluetooth side02:41
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crimsunimbrandon: for what source package?05:02
crimsun18:37 #kubuntu-devel: < imbrandon> crimsun, i just set the distro to edgy-proposed and it will do the right thing correct ?05:15
imbrandonfor the kopete upload mdz approved earlier today, i got it done though05:25
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nixternalimbrandon: you around at all?06:43
nixternalor anyone that can tell me why when i create the debian/patches directory and add patches (i.e., 01_kubuntu_releasenoste.diff, 02_kubuntu_desktopguide.diff), that they don't get used when I build the package..it does say it was successful applying the patch, but after building and isntalling, the changes aren't displayed?06:45
crimsunwhat patch system are you using and build-depending on?06:53
nixternali was just utilizing the diffs..but i have tried dpatch as well06:56
crimsunplease clarify. What are you _currently_ doing?06:56
nixternalpatching Kubuntu Docs06:57
nixternalwell trying to at least06:57
crimsunwith the patches06:57
crimsunare you using dpatch and/or cdbs?06:57
crimsunso you're manually applying them in debian/rules ?06:57
crimsunplease post your source package; it'll help06:58
nixternalwell...before i go there (i just wiped that ;)), if I do dpatch, do i add that to control and rules file?06:58
nixternalok, control i understand how to add it, just simply put 'dpatch' in the dep section w/ everything else06:59
nixternalnow how do i go about adding that to the rules section?06:59
crimsunBuild-Depends, you mean.06:59
Lathiatnixternal: Build-Depend06:59
crimsunnixternal: dpatch(1) explains what you need to add to debian/rules06:59
nixternalthank you!07:00
crimsunSee the "After dpatchifying" in the DPATCH IN DEBIAN PACKAGES section07:00
nixternalgot it07:01
nixternalnow, before i go on, this is the recommended and proper way?07:01
crimsunit's not always config.status07:01
crimsunyou need to tailor it to your specific debian/rules07:01
nixternalno, that is just the section under dpatchifying07:01
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MezRiddell: why is libstdc++5 included as part of kubuntu-desktop ?12:09
Riddelldesktop: * libstdc++5 [i386]     # doko: requested from some closed source applications12:10
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MezRiddell: hmm12:12
gnomefreakimbrandon: when your around let me know. i dont think frostwire is gonna build properly, and it cant be added to the repos at all its missing debian/rules file. 12:16
Hobbseemorning Riddell, hey Mez 12:17
Riddellhola Hobbsee 12:18
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seaLneraphink wins the prize for most smilies in an interview :)12:21
raphinkhahaha 12:21
raphinkI put smilies everywhere :)12:21
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Tm_THmmh, I'm slowly getting irritated with konqueror & toolbars, they doesn't stay in their places.12:35
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Hobbseehello again12:47
Tm_THello Hobbsee 12:47
Hobbseeprism2-user: warning.  if you pull what you did in #ubuntu-devel, i'll kickban you from here too.  be warned.12:47
prism2-userwhat are you talking about?12:48
Hobbseeprism2-user: you're aualin.  you cant hide.12:48
prism2-userthats my little brother12:48
prism2-userwhat have he done now?12:49
Hobbseeprism2-user: so this "little brother" takes your computer every few days, and issues the same flames, does he?12:50
prism2-usercan happen12:50
prism2-userand we share this computer12:50
prism2-user(it's better than his own :p)12:50
Hobbseeso, how's beryl doing these days?  or is that your brother's domain too?12:51
prism2-userboth using12:51
prism2-userhavent been able to use it12:51
Hobbseewho's developing it?12:51
prism2-userquinn_storm, onestone12:51
gnomefreakis it possible to make a .deb package ximular to making a tar by tar cvzf file.tar.gz file?12:51
Hobbseeprism2-user: who's developing it out of you or your brother?12:51
prism2-userhard to remember12:51
Hobbseeprism2-user: was it you in #beryl-dev, or your brother?12:52
prism2-userbut ha has been in #beryl-dev to12:52
Hobbseeso you typed all the stuff in there, then?12:52
prism2-userbut i havent been there before12:53
Hobbseehow'd you get your anonymous proxy?  why are you using one?12:53
prism2-user(new to irc)12:53
Hobbseethat's different.12:53
Riddellgnomefreak: not sure what you're trying to do.  .debs are ar files containing tar files as I recall12:53
prism2-useri am using one12:53
Hobbseeyou're using a proxy now, not a dynamic IP.  we can tell by hostnames.12:53
prism2-useri am not using a proxy12:53
prism2-useri dont really understand the need of a proxy...12:54
prism2-userthen my littlebrother was using a proxy12:54
prism2-userwait, im going to ask him12:54
gnomefreakRiddell: i have a .deb that im changing and i need to put it back together with the changes i cant build it the right way.12:54
Hobbseeprism2-user: yet you do, and you are, because your IP no longer contains your ISP12:54
gnomefreakalso cant build it from tar as there is not debian/rules nor a configure file12:55
Hobbseeprism2-user: and you're fully aware that if you dont control your "little brother"'s actions, if he gets banned, you on the same client will also.12:55
prism2-userblame the tv12:56
prism2-userbut thats bad...12:56
prism2-userbut i cant control him all the time12:56
prism2-userstill he is only 1312:56
prism2-userhe is on his way to turn off the router12:57
Hobbseeprism2-user: what made you join here anyway?  what's your purpose in here?12:57
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HobbseeRiddell: see #ubuntu-devel a bit ago.12:58
gnomefreaksame usr?12:58
Riddellgnomefreak: as I say I seem to remember it being an ar containing a tar12:58
Hobbseegnomefreak: as aualin12:58
Hobbsees/gnomefreak/ Riddell 12:59
Hobbseehey fdoving :)12:59
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fdovinghi hobbsee.01:00
prism-useri am very sorry for my little brother...01:00
prism-userhe actually turned off the router...01:01
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Hobbseeprism-user: yet two people are using the same proxy?  dream on.01:01
Hobbseeand he clearly didnt turn it off, else you wouldnt be connected.01:01
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prism-userI AM NOT USING A PROIXY!01:01
prism-useri turned it in dunno01:01
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Hobbseeajmitch: i've finished playing cat01:02
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Hobbseethat story has more holes in it than swiss cheese01:03
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HobbseeMez: i'll do it :)01:03
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Hobbseethere we go :)01:03
HobbseeMez: give them a while to get thru THAT!01:04
Hobbseeand now i'm getting flamed in #ubuntu01:04
Hobbseeand now he's quit :)01:06
Hobbseegnomefreak: oh drat.  it appears he wasnt using a proxy.  but he did change the hostname01:12
gnomefreakhes back?01:12
gnomefreakoh ok good01:12
Hobbsee[23:12]  [314]  aualin n=mikael * Mikael Lindberg01:13
Hobbsee[23:12]  [Whois]  aualin is online via irc.freenode.net (Wed Nov  1 12:38:10 2006).01:13
Hobbsee[23:12]  [314]  aualin n=mikael h-89-233-211-46.wholesale.port80.se * Mikael Lindberg01:13
Hobbseewhy would you connect via port 80, anyway, i wonder01:13
Mez* aualin :No such nick/channel01:13
gnomefreaklooks like he loged off01:15
gnomefreakof all names01:15
Hobbseei dont know of a way to search for all users by an IP01:15
Hobbseealthough there probably is one01:15
Lathiatyou cant as a normal user01:15
Lathiaton most networks anyway01:16
gnomefreakstaff can iirc01:16
Lathiatyeh opers can01:16
Mezwhats a good feedreader? (I dont like akregtor)01:20
Mezbeen googling, I'm looking for reccomendations from others ;01:21
fdovingRiddell: hi, could you update kopete at http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/pool-dapper/kopete/ with the fix from http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kopete-dapper/ ? 01:21
Riddellfdoving: all tested I presume?01:21
HobbseeRiddell: i'm assuming that's the 1 line fix.  i still cant reproduce that bug  though01:22
fdovingRiddell: the #kopete guys use it and are happy, so yes.01:22
Riddellfdoving: just dapper?01:22
HobbseeRiddell: edgy got a SRU for it  this morning01:22
fdovingRiddell: the fix is uploaded to -proposed - https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/6958301:22
UbugtuMalone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Low,Fix committed]  01:22
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fdovingI'm applying the patch to kdenetwork in dapper now.01:23
gnomefreakis edgy gonne be using -proposed repos?01:26
Hobbseegnomefreak: should do.01:27
Hobbseemaybe not yet though01:27
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gnomefreakanyone have a spare debian/rules file that they can pastebin? would like to see if its worth the time to make one.01:35
Hobbseegnomefreak: be watchful.  he got around the ban.01:35
Riddellgnomefreak: huh?  download any source or use dh_make01:35
Hobbseegnomefreak: u-devel atm01:35
Hobbseegnomefreak: he's ban evading.  he got around the +d01:36
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gnomefreakdid you use the *?01:36
Hobbseegnomefreak: yeha.  he connected via gaim.01:37
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fdovinganyone running dapper with kde 3.5.2 ? 01:58
fdovinghttp://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kdenetwork-dapper/kopete_3.5.2-0ubuntu6.3_i386.deb is ready for testing.01:59
fdovingrelated to bug 6958301:59
UbugtuMalone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Low,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6958301:59
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fdovingme neither. only cowbuilder chroots.02:00
fdovingpbuilder with cow.02:02
fdovingapt-cache show cowdancer02:02
fdovingalot faster than pbuilder and it's nicer to the disk.02:03
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RiddellLure: what was the package you had an update for?03:47
LureRiddell: kdebase (ksmserver)03:50
nixternaljjesse: irc at the client i take it?03:51
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hungerWill you keep the qt-kdecopy debs up to date on kubuntu/edgy?03:51
RiddellLure: got the bug number again?03:52
LureRiddell: bug 6788903:53
UbugtuMalone bug 67889 in kdebase "(edgy) KDE crashes when logout is canceled" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6788903:53
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Jucatohi bddebian!03:58
Jucatohi el!03:58
bddebianHeya Jucato03:58
elhi Jucato :)03:58
elah - i just remember that you wanted to ask a question, but i didn't look for it any more, Jucato 03:58
Jucatoel: I typed a long one :)03:59
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Jucatoel: the Panel settings were removed form System Settings, right? well, there are times when Kicker borks and hides itself completely, even though it's running. restarting Kicker doesn't reset it to it's normal position. But since the Panel settings in System Settings are gone, there's no way to bring them back except through kcontrol03:59
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elJucato, is that hiding a bug or a feature?04:00
Jucatowell, it's a bug most of the time04:01
elJucato, and going to kcontrol and pressing apply a second time brings the panel back?04:01
Jucatowell, basically you have to check in KControl where the panel hid and relocated itself, then set it to the right position or make it visible again04:02
nixternalRiddell: im working on the Kubuntu docs again here, trying to learn the packaging stuff as well as the patching systems a little bit better...is there a patching system your prefer over the other?04:02
elJucato, sigh... hm, that's a dirty work around04:03
Riddellnixternal: cdbs simple-patch usually works best for me04:03
elJucato, does it reappear after a new login or does it really change the configuration?04:04
nixternalwhat about in the case of a couple files that have already been fixed in the doc repos, is it still possible to use cdbs in this situation?04:04
Jucatoel: for example, the panel is at the bottom and I set it to autohide, and raise itself when the mouse goes to the bottom edge of the screen. sometimes, kicker suddenly relocates itself somewhere else (like at the top), so that you couldn't raise it anymore. I think it changes the configuration because restarting kicker doesn't work but deleting the config files in~/.kde/share does04:04
Jucatowhew! that's a long one...04:04
nixternalbooyah..nm Riddell, it seems if you use Google and ask the question first, it just might have the answer ;)04:06
elJucato, whew, hm, that's a use case i haven't thought of before. 04:06
elJucato, does it happen to you or did you hear it in a forum? 04:07
JucatoI completely forgot about it too04:07
Jucatoit happened to me and some people as well.04:07
JucatoI guess I took it for granted since I knew how to launch kcontrol anyway04:07
DaSkreechnixternal: Like searching fro ubuntu took you to Riddel's blog?04:08
nixternalshush ;)04:08
Jucatoel: sorry I'm bothering you with these just now. Didn't really get a chance to fully test Edgy stuff before the release. :(04:08
Jucatothere's also one more system settings "bug" that someone else found out, that I didn't see before04:09
elJucato, what's that bug?04:09
Jucatoel: kdmtheme (KDM Theme Manager) doesm04:10
Jucatoel: kdmtheme (KDM Theme Manager) doesn't get added to System Settings when installed04:10
Jucatounlike in Dapper04:10
Jucatobut I'd guess that would be a special case04:10
elJucato, you have to extra install it? i thought it wasn't in there by reason04:11
Riddellit's the kde theme that isn't there for a reason04:11
elJucato, it's much easier to set a theme than the single settings, but it also duplicates. so i thought it's been removed for that reason04:11
Riddellkdm theme module should be04:11
Jucatono. it's the KDM theme manager, not KDE theme manager...04:11
Riddell(if a user installs it)04:11
Jucatogets confusing :)04:11
elyes, confusing :)04:12
Jucatoel: kdmtheme = GUI module to handle login screen themes. made by smileaf04:12
elah, thanks for the clarification :)04:13
Jucatoel: you need some user case examples on the panel problem? I think I found some relevant threads in the forums04:16
elJucato, no - just wanted to know if it's a more common problem. but i can imagine that happens easily (it happens often that you cange the panel locatposition by accident)04:17
Jucatoel: ah ok. :)04:18
elJucato, as long as there isn't a better way to get the panel back, panel should probably be in systemsettings (sigh). 04:18
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Jucatoel: unfortunately, I don't know of any other better way... the most drastic is deleting kickerrc... :(04:18
eleeek. 04:19
elno, i rather think it's the panel's job04:19
Jucatoso now 2 things returning to system settings: Launch Feedback and Panel....04:20
elJucato, jupp. but launch feedback under notifications04:21
DaSkreechI had to install the KDM theme manager by myself04:22
Jucatoyep. it's much better there. I guess they put it under Panel settings before, because there was no general Notifications group (except in Sounds & Multimedia..)04:22
Jucato(then there's that other panel bug unrelated to systemsettings I need to confirm and report...)04:23
elfine :)04:25
Jucatoum.. I think I've asked this before, but either I forgot it or totally didn't understand it: how do I know if a bug report should be filed in LP or in KDE?04:25
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Jucatoel: sorry for taking up much of your time again. and thanks a lot! :)04:26
elJucato, that's what i'm here for! if i don't have any time at all, i tell you ;-)04:26
Jucatoagain, thank you! :)04:28
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elhehe, have fun!04:30
Jucatohehe! I have a love-hate relationship with bug reports :)04:31
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Riddellfdoving: that's the new kopete on kubuntu.org04:47
DaSkreechkopete gets it's own time?04:50
JucatoDaSkreech: heard that kopete's gonna separate from the main. not sure if it will be independent, extragears, or merge with kdepim though...04:51
DaSkreechKind of like amarok04:51
Jucatoand konversation04:52
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nixternalman...i thought i was going crazy with vim05:00
nixternalthere is like no syntax highlighting, and im like wtf..nice to know it was vim.tiny ;)05:01
jjesseuse kate for everything :)05:01
nixternalwell, i do if im editing big time files usually..as it is just quicker for me..but if im doing packaging and what not, and need to make little hacks here or there, then vim works great05:02
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jjessemy wife is named :)05:02
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jjessebe careful Jucato05:02
Jucatooops :)05:02
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DaSkreechHi jjesse05:07
jjessehello DaSkreech05:07
DaSkreechjjesse: nice job on the Ubuntu chapter05:08
DaSkreechjjesse: How does the book work?05:09
DaSkreech updates after two years?05:09
jjesseDaSkreech: for edgy we just updated and will be on the website05:10
jjesseand then for fiesty i think will actually be a book update05:10
DaSkreechjjesse: Nice. I had a list of stuff about the book and the Kubuntu chapter in particular that I'll try and make sensible and forward to... someone I guess05:11
jjesseDaSkreech: if you want email it to me, jjesse@iserv.net if something needs to be chnaged i'll get it to you05:12
DaSkreechmornfall has paused adept production correct?05:13
jjessei haven't heard05:13
jjessei know the doc for adep sucks05:13
Jucatowhat doc? :P05:13
jjesseso i need to get it done and updated into kde svn05:13
jjesseJucato: exactly05:13
DaSkreechWell when there are no changes that's a pretty good time to jump on that05:14
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DaSkreechFor documentation?05:15
DaSkreechGreat :)05:15
jjessegood for documentation at least05:15
JucatoI won't argue with that :)05:15
Jucatobut trying to edit the Nvidia wiki to include Adept-specific steps makes me realize that it's not easy to document it at all...05:16
Jucatoyeah, the wiki for installing the nvidia drivers05:18
Jucatospecifically about the portion making sure restricted is enabled. good thing that Edgy now enables main and restricted by default now, whether or not you had an internet connection while installing05:18
Jucato(at least using the Alternate Install)05:19
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Riddellallee: ever used kspread to make a pie chart?05:22
alleeRiddell: no,  but I manage my hardware at work with it.   As I said question is what the huge majority does with it.05:38
alleeRiddell: but kspread 1.5.0  was a nitemare even for this :(05:38
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DaSkreechDoes guidance have support for UPS?05:54
RiddellDaSkreech: unlikely05:54
Riddellsince none of us have UPS to test it on05:54
DaSkreechunlikely now or unlikely ever?05:54
DaSkreechHmm Ok05:55
DaSkreech hi hunger05:55
alleeDaSkreech: I'll test/evaluate UPS KDE Software soon.05:58
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hungerDaSkreech: hello.06:24
DaSkreechnice to see you here :)06:28
hungerDaSkreech: huch... how do I get that honor all of a sudden?06:30
DaSkreechDon't know I got the Decibel  mailing list today and it said hi on IRC I'm hunger06:34
DaSkreechThen I alt tabbed and saw you :)06:34
DaSkreechWhich saves me from joining YAIC06:34
hungerDaSkreech: I hang out here for ages, getting on everybodies nerves.06:35
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DaSkreechYeah I realise. I just never linked you in my head with tobias :)06:35
hungerDaSkreech: It is nice to become famous though;-)06:35
DaSkreechYeah God Forbid I ever find out what that's like06:35
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Riddellnixternal: what's the status of the docs updates?07:03
DaSkreechHi kwwii07:03
Riddellkwwii: quick meeting in an hour about summit plans07:03
kwwiiRiddell: cool, thanks for the info07:04
nixternaljust finished some homework...when i build it errors out07:09
jjessenixternal: do we have lots of updates?  just those bugs fixes correct?07:09
nixternalthat is the error meesage there07:10
jjessewell that's beyond me as i don't know how to build the packages :(07:12
nixternalobviously i don't either ;)07:12
Riddellnixternal: what did you change?07:14
nixternalcan you create patches to debian/postinst or no?07:15
Riddellwhat did you change in rules?07:15
nixternalinclude /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/dpatch.mk07:16
nixternalinclude /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make07:16
nixternal        # install redirect.html for firefox-homepage fix on bug 6568507:16
UbugtuMalone bug 65685 in kubuntu-docs ""About Kubuntu" missing "wonderful-linux.html"" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6568507:16
nixternal        dh_install debian/redirect.html usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/07:16
nixternali have the buildlog if that will help you tell me im a moron ;)07:17
nixternaloh, and i added 'dpatch' and 'patchutils' to the control file07:18
nixternalRiddell: i think i know the issue, but not 100% sure...is it proper to apply patches to the debian/ directory? i.e., in this case postinst and prerm (this fixes the linking problem - tested w/o patches and it worked)07:22
nixternalor should i just make the changes to the postinst and prerm files and not do patches for them?07:22
Riddellnixternal: don't do postinst/prerm at all, that's for scripting stuff07:23
Riddellnixternal: it may well be the dpatch include that's changing more fundamental stuff about the build process07:24
nixternalyes, but for bug 65685, it is the only way to close that bug, by creating the redirect.html, moving it into /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/ and then symlink firefox-homepage to it with update-alternatives07:24
UbugtuMalone bug 65685 in kubuntu-docs ""About Kubuntu" missing "wonderful-linux.html"" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6568507:24
nixternalshould i try w/o dpatch, and just use the diffs i created?07:24
Riddellnixternal: do the diffs just patch the debian directory?07:25
nixternalno, they patch kubuntu/desktopguide and kubuntu/releasenotes, and then there is a patch where i added redirect.html to the debian/ directory for the dh_install to grab it and move it to the correct directory07:25
Riddellchanges to debian/ can be done directly07:27
Riddellfor the other changes put the patches in debian/patches and try cdbs simple-patch.mk07:27
nixternalroger that...will try that now ;)07:27
nixternalthank you07:27
nixternalsimple-patch.mk is rules correct?07:28
nixternalnm, im looking at the cdbs doco07:29
nixternalalrighty, it is building..i will test to make sure it works, and then debdiff it for you, or post it on review...what is easier/best for you07:38
nixternalRiddell: ^^ have you noticed that in previous doc builds?07:43
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Riddellnixternal: nope07:45
Riddellfdoving: see comment on https://launchpad.net/bugs/6958307:45
UbugtuMalone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Low,Fix committed]  07:45
nixternali just seen that..no changes have been made to that either..i will look into it docbook side07:45
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DaSkreechBout time :(07:55
fdovingRiddell: thanks.08:01
Riddellkwwii: -> #ubuntu-meeting08:03
Riddellimbrandon: -> #ubuntu-meeting08:04
fdovingRiddell: fixed.08:08
nixternalRiddell: works like a charm...would you like me to upload the debdiff to my server so you can grab it? or do you prefer i submit it another way?08:12
Riddellnixternal: please upload08:12
nixternalroger that!08:12
nixternalone minuto08:13
nixternalun minuto rather08:13
kwwiisorry, usabilty test08:15
nixternalRiddell: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/kubuntu-docs.debdiff08:16
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nixternalit seems i have been missing a meeting ey?08:31
Riddellnixternal: you're not coming to mountain view though?08:35
nixternalas of right now, no, but if i get the call tomorrow saying i can miss school, i will be out there on friday08:36
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gemidjynew Kubuntu artwork sux, Dapper's one was much better08:38
nixternalthank you!08:39
gemidjyyeah, no problem08:39
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nixternali had to do that, sorry ;)08:40
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Simesebas: hoi, know a good web hoster? Mine's been compromised. ;-/ annoying.08:46
sebasI host at jorik's08:46
Simesebas: tja. It is more work for the hosting dudes. Kinda annoying for me. Email still seems to work.08:47
Simesebas: I say good luck to anyone who wants to read my email. I have a catch all address on the site and no spam filtering on server. ;-)08:48
sebasI can forward you some additional spam if you want ;.08:48
Simekeep them busy.08:49
Simeno to mention the mailing lists.08:49
SimeI hope they haven't stolen my source doe. ;-P08:49
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imbrandonSime, i host at dreamhost ( and have plety of extra space and bandwidth to host you if wanted )09:09
imbrandonfree of course09:10
fdovingimbrandon: do you think I should update the kopete package to this fix: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136566#c37 ?09:10
UbugtuKDE bug 136566 in general "Connecting to ICQ doesn't work anymore" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  09:10
imbrandonfdoving, isnt that what you just had me upload yesterday ?09:10
fdovingimbrandon: i updated to this: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136566#c2209:11
UbugtuKDE bug 136566 in general "Connecting to ICQ doesn't work anymore" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  09:11
fdovingthere is a new and 'better' fix.09:11
fdovingthe new revision allows you to connect with status 'away' for example.09:11
fdovingthe first fix, the one i implemented.09:11
fdovingonly allows you to connect with status 'online'.09:11
imbrandonfdoving, make a debdiff and get the main SRU team ( mdz ) to approve it again and i dont see a problem, but make sure its actualy an issue09:12
fdovingthat's what i'm asking you about. I 09:12
fdovingI'm not sure is is a big issue.09:12
imbrandonin other words yes i'll sponsor it but do as you did before ( and confirm the bug too )09:12
fdovingso, you think it's a big enought issue that you can't connect to icq with status set to away (anything not online)? 09:13
imbrandonwell seeing as it hasent left -proposed yet now would be the time to do it, if you waited till it was published i wouldent say so09:14
fdovingok. I'll add a new debdiff and let mdz decide.09:15
mdzI don't use kopete, so it's more helpful to apply the guidelines yourself and help to decide09:15
fdovingI'll explain the difference in a comment to the bug.09:17
fdovingand add the debdiff.09:17
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snikkerin edgy i'm unable to see the boot informations like in dapper... why?09:31
DaSkreechsnikker: remove the option quiet09:32
snikkerDaSkreech: ah ok, thanks for help09:34
snikkeranother thing...09:35
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snikkerseem that edgy is little bit slower than dapper... it's normal?09:36
Tm_THow you measure it?09:37
Riddellkwwii: cool09:37
snikkerfor example when i start an application, it don't start  immediately like in dapper, but after some seconds...09:38
fdovingmdz: should the version be incremented or can we make the previous upload silently go away? (kopete SRU)09:43
snikkerfor a faster system, is better the ext3 fs, or xfs fs?09:43
imbrandonfdoving / mdz , afaik a release manager hasent poked it through the que yet to -proposed09:44
fdovingsnikker: #kubuntu is the support channel.09:44
mdzyou should increment the version09:45
fdovingok, thanks.09:45
snikkerfdoving: sorry, for that... but sometimes in #kubuntu i don't have any answer...09:45
imbrandondinner time, back in a few09:46
nixternalRiddell: did you get a chance to look at that debdiff to see how bad I did yet?09:48
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fdovingdoes edgy updates use dot-versions or is that just security? 09:54
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kwwiihow does one add a spec for feisty?10:02
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fdovingkwwii: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/ -> new spec (up to the left)10:05
nixternalto be exact ;)10:06
kwwiikiller, thanks guys :-)10:08
nixternalwo0t...2 more Kubuntu converts for me...one from SuSE and one from I think Slackware10:08
nixternalvmware + 64bit has issues..anyone heard of this? or experienced this? anyone want to be me a 64bit system? anyone? ;)10:09
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fdovingfeel free to send me a 64bit system too :)10:09
imbrandonnixternal, not that i'm aware, i run vmware on amd64 all the time10:11
imbrandonand Seveas builds all his amd64 packages on that vmware install matter of fact10:11
imbrandonhavent noticed any issues yet ( other than it dosent hold the system time correctly, but thats a vmware issue )10:11
nixternalya, i have that same issue x8610:12
imbrandonjust set a cron to update the time every minute seems to work10:12
nixternaldon't botther me...i only use it for testing and screenshots10:12
imbrandonbut yea other than that it works pretty flawless10:14
imbrandonand has been for months10:14
nixternalhey, Kubuntu Hoarty artwork sux!10:22
nixternalHoary too10:22
kwwiidude, who was that guy?10:25
nixternali have no clue10:26
nixternalim sorry, any artwork w/o bubbles is better ;)10:26
kwwiisome freaky developer10:26
nixternalonly someone stoned out of their mind would create bubbles ;)10:26
kwwiihehe, I was totally straight when I made the bubbles10:27
nixternalso you say10:27
kwwiiyou can ask Riddell, I was sitting next to him in London10:27
kwwiidid that pic in one day10:28
nixternali should be like viper8675309 and be like, im gonna use fedora cuz they use dna chains for artwork10:28
nixternal Online attackers are exploiting a serious vulnerability in Visual Studio 2005, putting developers at risk10:39
nixternalaren't microsoft developers at risk, even if they aren't using VS2k5?10:39
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DaSkreechFrom Freedom communism extremists?10:48
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ryanakcaimbrandon: any idea as to why amarok doesn't transfer album art to my ipod anymore?11:19
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imbrandonryanakca, afaik it never should have11:23
imbrandonthats been a long standing request but never put into code11:23
imbrandonohhh album art11:23
imbrandoni thought you meant pictures11:24
imbrandonummm album art is embeded into the mp3's11:24
imbrandonso if the mp3 has it , it transfers11:24
imbrandon( atleaste the way apple does it, windows has seperate files for album art )11:24
imbrandonryanakca, ^^11:25
kwwiiok...the wiki pages are underway...check http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/kubuntu-artwork-boot , http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/kubuntu-artwork-login , and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/kubuntu-artwork-desktop11:29
mhbkwwii: great11:30
kwwiiwell, it is a start11:30
mhbkwwii: I doubt it is possible for a mortal to create better artwork for Feisty than for Edgy ... I like it so much11:31
kwwiithere was a guy here earlier who said he didn't like it11:31
kwwiisaid that dapper was better11:31
mhbkwwii: interesting. I wonder if there are more of those11:32
kwwiimhb: until now, that is the first11:33
kwwiiI was amazed at how much people liked it11:33
mhbkwwii: I think artwork is one of the most important features of a distribution (too) ... and the change from Dapper->Edgy is really visible in Kubuntu11:35
mhbkwwii: and frankly Kubuntu made a lot more progress than Ubuntu - congratulations11:36
kwwiimhb: I think so too, edgy is some of the best work I have done in a while, I think :-)11:37
kwwiiI wish that someone would notice it11:37
kwwiiI read one review where it was mentioned11:37
kwwiibut that is all11:37
ryanakcaimbrandon: yeah, it's stuck into my .m4a's and .mp3's tags... but it doesn't transfer...11:38
imbrandonworks here, i just tested to make sure11:38
mhbkwwii: when I write about Kubuntu Edgy I always mention the artwork (but I write in Czech mostly, you can't read it :o)11:38
imbrandonkwwii, i mentioned it on dot.kde.org :)11:38
kwwiiimbrandon: and I love you for loving me11:39
kwwiiimbrandon: I noticed that, and wanted to say thank you11:39
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ryanakcaimbrandon: odd... hmm.. any suggestions? reinstall? format/reset the ipod?11:40
fdovingkwwii: i've seen words like amazing, very sexy, beeing used in #kubuntu about the edgy-artwork :)11:40
imbrandonryanakca, i would start by resetting the ipod as thats the easiest11:41
ryanakcaimbrandon: menu+up button, or the reset to factory setting with ipod updater?11:41
imbrandonipod updater ( not the newest one from itunes 7 )11:42
ryanakcamenu+center I mean11:42
ryanakcakk... (why not the newest one)11:42
kwwiifdoving: hopefully this will be the needed "kick in the ass" to get a community behind the artwork11:42
imbrandonbecouse it will not work in edgy anymore if you do11:42
ryanakcaso, when does work on feisty start? (or has it already?)11:43
fdovingkwwii: let's hope so, i don't do graphics so I can probably not help much. I used 2 hours to edit a little icon for a MOL shortcut on my desktop, and it still looks like a kid made it.11:43
imbrandonfdoving, hehe11:44
imbrandonwhy not use the logo ?11:44
ryanakcafdoving: lol, I'm in the same boat as you are... I can do stuff  in gimp if I have instructions in front of me... other than that... forget it11:44
kwwiifdoving: hehe, funny..."for each, his own", my mother would say11:45
fdovingimbrandon: i use the mol.xpm included, just had to make the background transparent.11:45
mhbkwwii: it's hard to find good graphic designers for FLOSS11:45
imbrandonno its hard to find consitant ones, there are lots of great ones that pop in and do this or that11:46
imbrandonand then disappear11:46
mhbimbrandon: yes, that too11:47
ryanakcahmm.. I don't think I did anything artwork that got in... I made that konqueror metabar image, it got scrapped... the RC image, that got onto kubuntu.org... and I converted kde-pim to purple before people realised that imbrandon had already done it...11:48
mhbimbrandon: concerning koffice-by-default in Feisty ... do you think it will be good enough?11:49
imbrandonyes i whole heartedly do, it works very well for day to day stuff11:49
mhbimbrandon: I've heard a lot of criticism of koffice lately11:49
imbrandonyes and the same can be said for oo.o too11:50
imbrandoneverything has its issues, its the one you want to deal with and i stongly feel we should be using kde software when availible11:50
mhbimbrandon: sure, but the truth is oo.o can import Microsoft Word documents better11:50
mhbimbrandon: and that's *very* important11:50
imbrandoni mean if not why dont we use synaptic instead of adept etc11:50
imbrandonmhb, well thats debateable11:51
mhbimbrandon: well11:51
imbrandonit works with any docs and xls i have used just fine11:51
mhbimbrandon: I know you probably don't speak Czech but check out these pics: http://www.abclinuxu.cz/blog/otakar/2006/10/30/15592311:51
imbrandoni dont11:51
mhbimbrandon: the same .doc document opened in Microsoft Word, oo.o and koffice11:51
imbrandonand rember this will help stablize koffice more too, for those power users that need the advanced features they have no issues installing oo.o or using the LTS release dapper11:52
mhbimbrandon: sure, but all the new users need .doc imports11:52
imbrandonkubuntu is a very public face of KDE and should promote its software when possible and it /is/ a viable alternative11:52
imbrandonand as i said , it works with any docs i have just fine11:53
apokryphosstability for KOffice really isn't nearly as much of an issue11:53
apokryphosI use it every day and I get zero crashes11:53
imbrandonbasicly i see it like this , if we can use oo.o we should be using synaptic for the same reasons ( no good kde package manager ) and thats not the right anwser11:54
apokryphoswell, surely not now -- adept is very nice =)11:54
imbrandonif its left on the back burner it will never be taken serouisly and as long as this isnt a LTS release i see now as the time to act11:55
mhbimbrandon: it's not that easy11:55
imbrandonapokryphos, what planet are you from hehehe11:55
mhbimbrandon: the problem is while you don't use Adept every day, you do use the office suite11:55
mhbimbrandon: so it has to be first class, very polished and functional11:55
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imbrandonmhb, but adept can ( and does ) break systems, an office suite dosent11:56
mhbimbrandon: adept is *bad*, no doubt about that :o)11:56
imbrandonmhb, and it wont get there by no one using it, its matured to the point it can be used day to day11:56
imbrandonnot to mention the fact about faster startup times , faster loading of documents , less memory useage becouse of the kdelibs already loaded, less diskspace on our already tight cd11:57
mhbimbrandon: if Koffice won't offer the same .doc import features as oo.o does, I'll vote against it11:57
imbrandonetc etc etc11:57
mhbimbrandon: because users really need that11:58
mhbimbrandon: we can't just say "use this, it will be more troubling, but it's KDE"11:58
imbrandonmhb, ok then lets load up synaptic becouse i cant install packages with adept11:58
mhbimbrandon: adept will get fixed11:58
fdovingimbrandon: that's hardly comparable.11:58
imbrandonwhy not we do with adept and it breaks systems regularly11:58
imbrandonmhb, so will koffice11:58
mhbimbrandon: as I said - if it will before Feisty, I'll be happy11:59
imbrandonand i put my money on koffice being fixed faster as there is a large team behind it and -0- behind adept atm11:59
imbrandonmhb, what before feisty ? 1) feisty isnt a LTS so now is the time for a change 2) docs load just find, infact i just opend a few resumes just fine in the background12:00
fdovingkubuntu is shipped with, apt-get, aptitude and adept. It's not like we will ever ship more than one office suite. if it doesn't work you're out of options or you're looking forward to a ~200M download.12:00
kwwiitime for sleep..night all, more work tomorrow12:01
mhbkwwii: goodnight12:01
fdovingnite kwwii.12:01
imbrandonfdoving, there are other things to do the same job if you look at it like that, cli you have nano or vi12:01
imbrandonapt-get !+ adept12:01
imbrandon!= ^12:01
fdovingimbrandon: not if you have a .doc or have to publish a .doc12:01
mhbimbrandon: yes well, I have different experience (no objective tests, but we should conduct some before including it with Kubuntu)12:02
fdovingthen you hopefully have a old kubuntu livecd with oo.o on it 12:02
imbrandonthen you dont need a ~200mb download, i serouisly doubt oo.o-writer is 200mb12:02
imbrandonmhb, thats what the bof's are for in MTV12:02
imbrandonor abiword , or any number of non-kde apps12:03
mhbimbrandon: yes, sadly I won't be there :o) can I write under your spec (BoF & discussion part) that you should discuss some Koffice tests before inclusion?12:04
imbrandonmhb, thats a given but feel free to do as you wish12:04
mhbimbrandon: ok, just to make sure :o)12:05
imbrandon( just as a side note too think about we already ship 2/5ths of koffice in krita and kontact )12:07
imbrandonso the base libs are there too12:07
fdovingmhb: can you do a kopete icq test for me? 12:08
mhbfdoving: I can, if you need Edgy12:10
imbrandonfdoving, i can also if you have x86 debs12:10
fdovingok, both is nice.12:11
fdovingdo you have the deb i provided yesterday, with the icq fix installed?12:11
mhbfdoving: I have, what next?12:12
fdovingimbrandon: get it at: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kopete-edgy/kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2_i386.deb - tell me when done (removing it as i don't want people to use it)12:12
fdovingmhb: ok, disconnect icq, and then try to connect directly to 'away' status. or any other status than 'online'.12:12
mhbfdoving: hm, no good12:13
mhbfdoving: I get online12:13
imbrandongot it12:13

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