cellofellowcox377: ubuntu's firewall is configured to open all ports, even though it is running.12:12
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domexactly, intelikey.  i haven't setup flash on my machine and I don't miss it at all.  but I'm hardly a "mainstream" user12:13
hektikflash is pretty popular and needed for web surfing12:13
cox377cellofellow: ok cool, so whats "ps -A | grep sshd" about?12:13
hektikhrm.. my install is lagging at select a disk12:13
cellofellowcox377: it will show some output if sshd is running.12:13
hektikhourglass is just going12:13
Bubba_Gumpflash imo, is only really needed for advertising and naff youtube videos12:13
cox377cellofellow: it doesnt show anything so i assume it hasnt started12:13
|lostbyte|When will flash 9 for linux be out ?12:14
Bubba_Gumpflash 9 beta is already available12:14
hektikwell if you dont know, youtube is a very popular site, thus meaning alot of people watch it and require flash to do so12:14
domflash is definitely popular, but I wouldn't say it's required.  For basic "doing things", Java is a bigger problem then flash (in my experience)12:14
dg6e74im back if your still around12:14
cellofellowcox377: open the system services module in System Settings, become root, and make sure that sshd is set to start with runlevel 312:14
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domrequired for "entertainment" purposes, but that's what automatix is for anyhow12:14
cellofellowcox377: if it isn't just set it to, and also start it.12:14
intelikeyif the license agreement says "no more than one backup copy" i simply say, NO!   and move on.12:15
cellofellowcox377: the system services thing is a frontent to init12:15
hektikthis konversation crap has too many colors in it12:15
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cellofellowhektik: you can change that, it's linux.12:15
Bubba_Gumpthe best thing i've helped myself to do is easily distance my browser from the youtube sites and enjoy life with greater things...12:15
michael___Installing java now :-) thank U - I think it will work now !!!!12:15
cox377cellofellow: shall do now, thanks for the help - 2 secs12:15
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intelikeyseriously.  if you are required to agree to a leagle contract that you know you have no intention of keeping why even use their **** ?12:16
mrkrishello, wondering if i'm just slow or does kopete fail at fetching your older buddylist and importing like gaim does12:16
hektiki know, im on the kubuntu live cd right now so its not important right now12:16
intelikeyjust say   NO !12:16
shivWhats wrong with this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29622/ I get 0x7 error when trying to load windows from grub. Please help12:17
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cellofellowintelikey: cause the chances of getting caught are very slim. I think.12:17
cox377cellofellow: working now ; )12:17
intelikeycellofellow you are caught already.12:17
hektikscanning disk hangs at 50%. any idea ?12:17
intelikeycellofellow getting caught has nothing to do with it.12:17
cox377did someone mention a graphical interface using fish?12:18
intelikeycellofellow you purger your self each time you do that.   it may not make you any differance if you are a lier or not.  but it does me.12:18
cellofellowcox377: when you use ssh, the -X option enables X forwarding. If you ssh from one Linux box to another, with the -X option set, you can run a graphical program and it'll run12:18
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cellofellowcox377: not fish, that's like a remote filesystem. -X makes that work.12:19
cox377cellofellow: do i enable the X forwarding through the ssh front end?12:19
dg6e74im tring to get this setup to work internet>nic(linux)nic>nic(windows) to work i get to the internet to work on the linux box but thats it12:19
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cellofellowcox377: ssh -X user@host will work. when you get the ssh shell, type a graphical program and the X protocol is tunneled over the ssh connection,12:20
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cellofellowdg6e74: you're using the linux box as a gateway>12:20
cellofellownever tried that.12:21
mycketdg6e74: squid?12:21
LeeJunFandg6e74: how far are you? can the windows machine ping the linux machine?12:21
dg6e74i doubt it12:21
intelikeycellofellow  linux box as a gateway is pretty common12:21
cellofellowintelikey: I know, I was just backing out cause I don't know how.12:21
sinbad44hey guys what do i type in under 'host' box in kmail account setup ?12:22
sinbad44using pop12:22
cellofellowintelikey: I think my routers have linux under the hood.12:22
intelikeyprobably or unix12:22
LeeJunFandg6e74: on linux you will need to enable ip masquerading for the ip the windows machine is on, and enable forwarding. See the /etc/sysctl.conf file to enable forwarding. And iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s [windows IP]  -j MASQUERADE12:22
|lostbyte|sinbad44, the host that pop is under.12:23
sinbad44wat is a host ? u mean like prtc.net ?12:23
sinbad44my isp?12:23
cellofellowsinbad44: whatever your email provider says. like gmail is pop.gmail.com12:23
intelikeysinbad44 the ip of your mail host12:23
dg6e74i tried that12:23
|lostbyte|sinbad44, like, pop3.mymailhost.com12:23
dg6e74and i just lost my connection12:23
sinbad44ahh ok12:23
LeeJunFandg6e74: editing the sysctl.conf for forwarding will turn on forwarding when you boot, to enable it now run sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=112:23
sinbad44pop3. ...12:23
cellofellowsinbad44: look on your email providers website for pop instructions. they're all different.12:23
intelikeysinbad44 or in many cases   mail.<your_isp>.com12:24
dg6e74ok i did that12:24
dg6e74should i force the windows box to have a specific or leave it on auto12:24
intelikeyit's pretty common to see    mail.isp.ext + smtp.isp.ext12:24
LeeJunFandg6e74: unless you are going to setup a dhcp server on linux then set your windows machine to static IP.12:25
cellofellowdg6e74: unless you set up dnsmasq or BIND, use a static IP on the windows box.12:25
intelikeyfor pop3 accounts that is ^12:25
cellofellowBIND = DHCP12:25
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yonkeltronif i have a python module installed and it's suddenly no longer importable, what could that mean?12:25
cellofellowanything will work that's not
cellofellowin the 192.168.0.* range12:26
LeeJunFandg6e74: okay, now try to ping the linux IP. That's
cellofellowdg6e74: you need to set the second nic on the linux box to be
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dg6e74ok i will12:27
dg6e74well did that already12:27
dg6e74gonna ping12:27
hektikanyone know why install hangs at select a disk ? (no disks to choose from)12:27
dg6e74request timed out12:28
cellofellowhektik: that sounds like a recurring proble, but I upgraded from dapper, so I dunno.12:28
intelikey"<cellofellow> anything will work that's not"   mmmm no   192.172.*.* is also reserved for local use12:28
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hektikthis is kubuntu 6.1012:28
LeeJunFandg6e74: both machines are set in the 192.168.0.X range?12:28
|lostbyte|hektik, kubuntu.com12:28
cellofellowintelikey: oh, I'll have to remember that.12:28
hektikkubuntu.com what ?12:29
|lostbyte|hektik, yes.12:29
dg6e74linux- windows
hektikwhat about it ?12:29
intelikeyerr did i just hose that.   172.*.*.*12:29
LeeJunFandg6e74: and both netmask
LeeJunFanintelikey: yeah, 172.16, and 10.12:29
intelikeyanyway there is another reserved block12:29
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cellofellowintelikey: isn't it 10.*.*.*, 172.something.*.*, and 192.168.0.*? depending on the network size? class A, B, and C nets?12:30
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|lostbyte|hektik, Did you check the md5sum of the iso..12:30
LeeJunFanfor reference - private IP's = http://www.duxcw.com/faq/network/privip.htm12:30
hektiktheir is nothing wrong with the iso...12:30
LeeJunFandg6e74: do you have a crossover cable?12:31
intelikeyyeah  192.168.* , 172.16.*  and 10.*   there ya go12:31
LeeJunFansry, gotta run out for a bit. dg6e74, don't know why that's not working at this point, everything sounds right - you sure you don't have eth0, eth1 mixed up?12:31
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dg6e74i have my internet on etho 112:32
dg6e74should put the internet on etho012:32
intelikeyand any private is repetable,  can be used on any non-internet network12:33
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cox377what does everyone think the successrate on upgrading to 6.10 from 6.0.6 is? in terms of % is there a lot of failures or???12:36
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intelikeyAlso, IP addresses in the range of are reserved for Automatic Private IP Addressing.   meaning you shouldn't use them as static ip's even on a private network.12:36
intelikeycox377 of doing that without any errors   5% maybe ?    without any major or unrecoverable errors 85% maybe....12:37
intelikeydepends on whether you classify breaking xorg.conf as major or not.  it's certenly recoverable.12:38
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klerfaythey why does kde's own transparency stuff feel faster with latest nvidia beta drivers?12:44
Ranma2264Does anyone have an intel 537ep modem?12:44
Kubuhow can i see the temperatura of my CPU?12:46
intelikeyi'm having issues with fuser.  it's kernel related.   it seems that mozilla-suite uses a line "P=`fuser /dev/dsp 2>&1 | sed -e 's#^/dev/dsp:##' `" which hangs the launching of mozilla-suite with this specific kernel.  anyone brave enough to tackle that ?12:47
sinbad44i still cant get website background color to dark using Konqueror !12:49
sinbad44wat gives12:49
intelikeyKubu one way would be wmsensors - WindowMaker dock applet for lmsensors12:49
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BluesKajstrange , installing flashplayer thru adept , removes the FF flash plugin12:49
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BluesKajdoesn't solve the no play prob tho12:50
klerfaytBluesKaj: no play?12:50
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BluesKajflashplayer won't kick in on siyes that use it12:51
sinbad44is the konqueror browser not particularly recommended in here or ?12:51
BluesKajsome like konk , some don't ...just a mater of taste i think12:51
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intelikeykonqueror is default in kubuntu12:52
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klerfaytBluesKaj: you should try latest beta flashplayer 912:53
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Tokeiitogood evening12:54
klerfaytBluesKaj: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html12:54
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Tokeiitoi have problem with taskjuggler installation/deinstallation. i've tryed evrything: apt-get remove, apt-get install -f, dpkg --remove, dpkg --purge but always i'm geting error: dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 1; How can i remove that packet?12:56
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sinbad44how come Konqueror doesnt have site background color control ???12:58
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Tokeiitothis is full error code: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29630/12:58
sinbad44does it suck ?12:58
intelikeyit doesn't ?12:58
sinbad44doesnt look like it12:58
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intelikeysinbad44 are you sure ?12:58
sinbad44well ive been trying to get it to use dark site backgrounds since yesterday, no luck12:59
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sinbad44i really hate to have to use mozilla browser on kubuntu01:01
intelikeyTokeiito you could force that.01:01
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Tokeiitoi've tryed01:01
Tokeiitono luck01:01
sinbad44since im assuming Konqueror is more secure than mozilla01:01
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sinbad44darn, so this means i have to wear my darned sunglasses just to read browser text on kubuntu darn darn darn01:03
flaccidhehe why01:03
Hawkwindsinbad44: Konqueror isn't anymore secure than mozilla or any other browser out there.  Use what *you* like and what is comfortable to you01:03
sinbad44cuz white backgrounds destroys my eyes01:03
intelikeyTokeiito try this as root. "  mv /bin/touch . ln -s /bin/true /bin/touch ;apt-get install -f ;rm /bin/touch mv touch /bin  "     it's a hack it ugly it's bad and not recommended.   the ubuntu team would frown on it.  but it will probably work.01:03
flaccidright... dont see how browser makes a difference there01:04
Tokeiitothank you01:04
sinbad44Hawk, well im hoping that Konqueror atleast doesnt have any NSA code embedded like mozilla & IE do since the late 90s01:05
HawkwindLOL @ NSA code01:05
intelikey" mv /bin/touch . ln -s /bin/true /bin/touch ;apt-get install -f ;rm /bin/touch ;mv touch /bin  "01:05
sinbad44since Konqueror IS open source, right ?01:05
intelikeyTokeiito ^01:05
HawkwindIf you're worried about NSA, then there are bigger issues than choosing a browser01:05
intelikeyso you could just copy and paste it.01:06
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sinbad44open source security is the WHOLE reason im even bothering to try to learn kubuntu os01:06
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flaccidthere is no need to be worried01:07
flaccidbrowser security is only an issue with MSIE01:07
sinbad44netscape mozilla has the same govt spying code as IE does01:09
sinbad44ken poulsen confirmed that back in late 9801:09
intelikeyactually the security is not browser/network side, it's kernel side.  i.e. the permissions bits on the inodes.01:09
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jelsinbad44: konqueror does have a better technique for avoiding popups.  Lacks the latest generation of encryption, which some online banks use.  Has some good options which let you control your security and privacy on a per-site basis.  I like it.01:10
purpleposeidonsinbad: yeah, it's that malicious 'if' statement. Ever wonder what i.f. stands for? That's right.01:10
jelsinbad44: what spying code?01:10
dudeguys, can you suggest a acd audio creator01:10
dudeguys, can you suggest a cd audio creator01:11
jeldude: kaudiocreator01:11
sinbad44jel, just some code snippets that poulsen found & published like 8 years ago01:11
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jeldude: or k3b, if you mean to make a new audio cd?01:11
dudejel: yes01:12
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fdovinggood nite.01:13
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starpausei've got an error on step 4 of the KubuntuUpgrade wiki ... i've checked my sources list ... here's the error ... http://rafb.net/paste/results/KJNQEQ78.html01:17
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ut2004can someone help me im tring to set up my linux box as a gateway using 2 nic cards01:19
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cellofellowut2004: there was someone asking about that about an hour ago01:29
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cellofellowstarpause: you should run the apt-get -f install. -f meens fix.01:30
cellofellowut2004: oh01:30
ut2004different irc client01:30
cellofellowstarpause: and install the kubuntu-deskop metapackage01:31
ut2004i got windows to say connected but cant ping the linux box01:31
cellofellowut2004: is the windows box connected directly to the linux box? no hub or switch in between?01:32
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ut2004yes with crossover cable01:33
=== cellofellow thought you might have a straight cable :P
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ut2004i dont think i set something up right on the linux box01:33
shadowhywindhay all, Where are power options located at. My monitor keeps turning off after like 15 mins. I have checked the screensaver and power options in Monitor & Display. Are there any other locations?01:33
cellofellowI've had good luck with dnsmasq as a dns forwarder/server and dhcp server.01:34
ZoohouseWhat is the name of that feature that KDE has of downloading extra stuff... Hot New Items or something like that..01:34
starpausecellofellow: i did run apt-get -f install, that's part of my error paste01:34
cellofellowstarpause: oh01:34
cellofellowut2004: I've had good luck with dnsmasq as a dns forwarder/server and dhcp server.01:34
ut2004how do use it01:35
ZoohouseHot New Stuff I think it is called... How do I open that app?01:35
cellofellowut2004: you install, duh, and enable in init. it has once little config file. /etc/dnsmasq.conf. it'll ive dynamic ip's with dhcp, not by default though, and will forward dns requests.01:36
starpausecellofellow: and here's what happens when i try to install the kubuntu-desktop package http://rafb.net/paste/results/U3O91L46.html01:36
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cellofellowstarpause: weird, it says that it has to install xorg but you must already have that.01:37
starpausecellofellow: yeah, something is totally hosed :) any other ideas?01:38
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ut2004can you walk me through setting this up01:38
gravygoatAre there any cups gurus logged in at this time?01:39
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cellofellowstarpause: sometimes I find that openning aptitude, in gui mode (command aptitude), helps me see what is the problem. try doing something like installing kubuntu-desktop, and it will say it has fix suggestions. press "e" to see suggestions.01:39
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cellofellowut2004: I did it on debian sarge. install dnsmasq firs01:40
dg6e74where do i get it01:41
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cellofellowdg6e74: is that ut200401:41
cellofellowone sec01:41
ut2004some how in channel twice on same irc client with diffetent names01:42
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cellofellowut2004: install dnsmasq from universe01:42
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starpausecellofellow: strange, when i try to run aptitude nothing happens. Adept Manager comes up though01:43
ut2004sorry you gotta be super specific with me im a super noob01:43
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cellofellowstarpause: you're kidding right? that is crazy.01:43
malix0hi all I have a strange problem with a laptop with Kubuntu 6.10, the network doesn't work. The interface eth0 is up but I have no comunication01:43
cellofellowmalix0: any IP address? run ip address in konsole01:43
manwithafacemalix0: what card do you have?01:43
starpausecellofellow: no, if i try running aptitude from the run command dialog or the prompt i get nothing comming up ... but the process is running01:44
malix0manwithaface: realtek01:44
cellofellowstarpause: aptitude is a ncurses program, runs gui-like in a terminal, so aptitude in konsole should open it.01:44
manwithafacemalix0: pop in your Kubuntu Edgy Alternate install cd and get Network Manager01:45
cellofellowut2004: universe is most likely enabled, just sudo aptitude install dnsmasq01:45
malix0manwithaface: after restarting the network i can send some packet and after a few second it die again01:45
manwithafacemalix0: i know not how to fix the easy stuff, though i can rapidly repair an ailing BCM4318 wireless card01:46
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starpausecellofellow: thanks, i've got it up! will see if i get anywhere here :)01:47
ut2004i got it from google01:47
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cellofellowut2004: what?01:48
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ut2004root@linux-sux:~# aptitude install dnsmasq01:48
grotheskWhat is the difference between kubuntu CD and DVD? What is included in the DVD?01:48
ut2004E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)01:48
ut2004E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?01:48
ut2004Reading package lists... Done01:48
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ut2004Building dependency tree01:48
ut2004Reading state information... Done01:48
ut2004Initializing package states... Done01:48
ut2004Building tag database... Done01:48
ut2004E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)01:48
ut2004E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?01:48
cellofellow!paste | ut200401:49
ubotuut2004: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)01:49
grotheskut2004: USE pastebin!01:49
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cellofellowgrothesk: DVD has the LiveCD and the text install, and has enough software on to be a repo.01:50
felixjetshould i install automake 1.9? i have 1.4 but package manager say that 1.9 have lot of bugs01:50
grotheskthx cellofellow01:50
Jucato!adept crash fix | ut200401:50
ubotuut2004: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'01:50
cellofellowut2004: do you have apt-get or adept running? only one dpkg-based program can run at once cause of that lock file.01:51
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ut2004http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29633/ what do i do01:53
ut2004remove java?01:53
malix0manwithaface: Ok I install network manager, but I can not test it because my router is broken and only wirless work01:54
cellofellowut2004: the jdk is sort of outmoded in favour of the sdk. so, uninstall it. and dnsmasq is in uviverse so make sure that's in your /etc/apt/sources.list01:54
malix0manwithaface: I must wait when I go to my office01:54
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cellofellowut2004: unless your writting in java, you don't need the jdk, just the jre01:56
ut2004i dont need it01:57
cellofellowut2004: aptitude search dns to see if dnsmasq is in your cache.01:57
ut2004type this: aptitude search dns01:58
cellofellowut2004: we may be barking up the wrong tree anyways. can you ping ip addresses from the computer behind the linux box?01:58
cellofellowut2004: yes01:58
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malix0manwithaface: why this problem happen?01:59
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cellofellowut2004: you need universe.02:01
cellofellow!dnsmasq | ut200402:01
ubotudnsmasq: A small caching DNS proxy and DHCP server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.33-1 (edgy), package size 174 kB, installed size 580 kB02:01
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manwithafacemalix0: i have no idea, but i tried it and it worked for me02:02
cellofellowstarpause: how's it going?02:02
Alter-Egohi, in amarok if i want to listen to japanese radio or tv, my  titles are in squre blocks and not japanese.  is there a way to change this ?02:02
malix0manwithaface: Ok ttanks I'll try it when I'll get into the work office02:03
ut2004how do i get universe02:03
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malix0manwithaface: I hope it will work02:03
starpausecellofellow: it's going at it ... aptitude seems nice ... it's back on the command prompt02:04
cellofellow!universe | ut200402:04
ubotuut2004: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu02:04
malix0manwithaface: Note that I have no problem with windows and no problem with my wirless card using ndiswrapper drivers02:04
cellofellowstarpause: after it does stuff at the "prompt", it promts for enter, and when you hit enter it opens aptitude back up.02:04
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shadowhywindany body now how to clean up the apt cache, what the command is?02:05
shadowhywindis apt-get clean and autoclean safe to run?02:06
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starpausecellofellow: cool, thanks for the explaination. it seems like there are some errors along the way but it's still doing it's thing. i just told aptitude to go after i started it, hope it was smart in seeing what needed to upgrade :O02:06
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malix0Another question on a fresh install of Edgy when I call shutdown I have icons on side of buttons, but on an old installation that was in testing there are only text. Where I can change this?02:08
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starpausecellofellow: before it prompted me to hit return there was a long list of packages with errors02:11
Jucatoum... which font or package installed with kubuntu-desktop gives support for Japanese text? (I can't see them in Konvi...)02:11
bobbyyuI have a big problem: I can't log into my Kubuntu Dapper system. After a large update, it accepts my login, and logs me back out02:11
bobbyyuI am talking from my Windows OS02:12
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shadowhywindbobbyyu nexttime you start in kubuntu, and get to the login screen, do alt+ctrl +f3 and login through there02:13
shadowhywindand see if an error happens02:13
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shadowhywindif nothing, type startx and see if that comes with an error02:13
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kali am new on thia thing02:20
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Jucatowhen I install xfonts stuff, do I need to restart X?02:28
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cellofellowJucato: can't hurt02:29
shadowhywindit probably wouldn't hurt that way all programs can see it02:29
Jucatothanks :)02:29
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ubotuAudio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs02:32
Emessanyone know how to take a perl script wirtten in windows and make it so nix can actually read its encode?02:33
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LamingtonI've just installed kubuntu edgy and my Storage Media window in the System Menu only shows a folder (cdrom0)... How do I get it to show my hard drives like I thought it should02:37
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josh__whats up people? i have a hard drive i am using just to store backups and such. it is owned by root though so my normal user accounts cant write to it. i have tried chmod 777 and chown josh /data... says changing permissions/owner isn't allowed... how do i change that?02:39
intelikeymount -o remount,umask=0 /mount/point02:40
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ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats02:44
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i_love_beerI can't even load ubuntu in safe graphics mode02:49
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dragonflysevenHow would I get a quicktime movie to play in firefox?02:53
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Hirvinendragonflyseven: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation02:54
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dragonflysevenhirvinen: thank you.02:55
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[H5N1] Is the new livecd's updated yet?02:56
RawSewageLTtheyre not making CDs of Edgy02:56
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[H5N1] huh?02:57
RawSewageLTsorry nm02:57
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[H5N1] Just waiting for the new Kubuntu 6.10 since the current one has issues..02:57
RawSewageLTlike what02:58
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[H5N1] I have the "NO ROOT FILESYSTEM" bug and I can't proceed.02:58
[H5N1] With the installation that is.02:59
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RawSewageLTI did a fresh install02:59
RawSewageLTI dont like updates02:59
[H5N1] Yeah, I'd like too and it won't let me.02:59
felixjetanyone know a good manual to see TV in kubuntu?03:00
felixjeti have a hauppage tv card03:00
felixjetsupported by bttv module03:00
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about TV - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:00
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bttv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:00
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laptop_anyone know the where automatix2 installs the firefox java runtime plugin?03:01
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LiteHeddedhow can i upgrade firefox to 2.0?03:02
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felixjetwhen i try to open modconf it says that i dont must use it, and it autocloses !03:03
pierrethAnyone on the new version of kubuntu?03:03
pierrethhi RawSewageLT03:03
felixjetnevermind, it was a problem using another terminal03:03
shadowhywindme too03:03
dragonflysevenThe Ubuntu documentation says to that Konqueror can play embedded videos by default, but I am using Firefox. How can I play quicktime, etc. videos in firefox using KDE?03:04
pierrethand are you confortable?03:04
pierrethdragonflyseven: QT is not free03:04
pierrethRawSewageLT: No problem since the upgrade?03:04
esaymfor upgrading to firefox 2: http://getswiftfox.com/installer.htm03:04
pierrethQT is for windows are MacOS03:05
esaymif you want the desktop icon you will have to copy it from the default install location of /usr/share/applications/swiftfox.desktop and copy it over to /home/user/desktop03:05
malix0dragonflyseven: install mozilla-mplayer03:05
dragonflysevenI mean like embedded videos like besides flash.03:05
shadowhywinddragonflyseven https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats03:05
RawSewageLTpierreth: just a few bugs03:05
pierrethRawSewageLT: like what?03:05
shadowhywindother then the few bugs, I haven't found anything that i haven't beena ble to fix03:05
RawSewageLTKOrganize icon03:06
dragonflysevenI am already on that page, it doesn't handle how to do it without Konqueror.03:06
RawSewageLTk3b not verifying after a burn03:06
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RawSewageLTit verifies ISOs, but not data DVd burns03:06
shadowhywinddragonfly if you install what it says, firefox will find it and do it automatically03:06
pierrethRawSewageLT: k3b is fully completed anyway03:06
pierrethRawSewageLT: I'am missing Toast from MacOS03:07
malix0dragonflyseven: and if you want to play almost anything you can install w32codecs03:07
dragonflysevenOk, I will try it.03:07
dragonflysevenThanks for the help.03:07
RawSewageLTpierreth: I like k3b03:07
pierrethRawSewageLT: I like it too but it does not erase my disks03:08
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RawSewageLTare you sure03:08
Emessanyone know how to take a perl script wirtten in windows and make it so nix can actually read its encode?03:08
RawSewageLTisnt perl just text03:09
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pierrethRawSewageLT: it is always saying that I don't need to erase the disk03:09
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intelikeydos2unix file.pl03:09
pierrethRawSewageLT: that I can write over03:09
pierrethRawSewageLT: but I want to erase, not to add03:10
pierrethRawSewageLT: just too bad03:10
EmessRawSewageLT: yes, but its been encoded and nix cant read it03:10
pierrethRawSewageLT: are you having this problem?03:10
intelikeypierreth what disk ?03:10
RawSewageLTpierreth: I dont use rewritable disks03:11
intelikeyk i'm oob on that one.03:11
LiteHeddedwhat's the easiest way to upgrade to ff 2.0?03:11
i_love_beerhow do I get edgy to work03:11
pierrethrewritable is better for the environment03:11
RawSewageLTpierreth: did you go to Tools -  Erase CD03:11
pierrethintelikey: there is so much formats available03:11
i_love_beerhow do I get edgy to display video03:12
i_love_beerit just go into a blank screen03:12
bbthi, trying to get thunderbird to use firefox as default browser, can someone help?03:12
pierrethRawSewageLT: yes, but i am in French03:13
ubotuAllez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.03:13
pierrethbbt: i am a link for you03:13
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pierrethbtt: i add the problem once03:13
i_love_beerHALP EDGY NO WORK03:14
ubotuDoesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.03:14
RawSewageLTbbt: System Setings - Default Apps03:14
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pierrethbbt: here: http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/firefox-mailto.jspx03:15
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bbtthanks guys03:15
i_love_beerit just go into a blank screen03:16
i_love_beerand I can't do nothing :(03:16
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ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto03:17
dude_guys, can you suggest a mp3 burner apps03:17
Egiis it possible to be an admin in kubuntu all the time ?03:17
intelikeyEgi sure  if you are talking about using the roor account03:17
ubotusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.03:17
intelikeyread there ^03:17
i_love_beerroor account?03:18
intelikeyto set a root password; sudo passwd03:18
Egidont want to be sudo03:18
dude_guys, can you suggest a mp3 burner apps03:18
intelikeydude_ i have no idea what you are talking about03:19
intelikeyan mp3 burner ?03:19
Egiok .. i think i dont raelly know what i am talking about ^^03:19
Egisu = same as root ?03:19
intelikeyactually no...   su == switch user   and if not user is specified then the default is   root03:20
Egiits told in the kubuntu documentation that the root account is locked03:20
Egibut i want to be root all the time ... and log in as root etc03:20
dude_intelikey: i mean i want to burn mp3's in a   cd03:21
pierrethwhy when i create a new user, i can login with my password on the user account?03:21
intelikeyone could  su jim    or    su tom    or su sally   but   su  alone == su root03:21
Egithe problem is that i coulnd do that the last time i had kubunto on my pc03:21
dude_intelikey: i used 3kb, but it doesnt play03:21
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intelikeydude_ then you are looking for something to convert mp3 to cda ?03:21
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intelikeyaudacity can do that with the codecs03:22
dude_intelikey: not really, but what can you suggest, mp3 to cda?03:22
intelikeyi don't know what tool audacity uses but it's probably common to many things like mplayer xmms and friends03:23
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rhodrihi, i'm using edgy, and after 5 minutes or so of not using my computer i get a blank screensaver which comes up, but i have checked my screensaver settings and it looks off, and i've looked for power management settings but can't find anything to do with turning off the screen.  this is really annoying when i'm watching movies, can anyone help?  thanks.03:23
intelikeycda==compact disk audio   format03:24
uboturpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).03:24
dude_intelikey: when i play the burned cd in a cd player, it won't play  but when i play it on my cdrom drive, it plays03:24
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RawSewageLTdoes anyone have a problem where FF crashes when going to YouTube03:24
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Egiand the format of the files is .cda03:25
intelikeydude_ i sujest you check the settings in k3b   probably not fixiated  or something.03:25
shadowhywindrawsewageLT download and use flash beta 903:25
shadowhywindalso diable your extenstions, and test first03:25
shadowhywinddoes anyone know hot to get superkaramba to read net stats?03:26
RawSewageLTshadowhywind: ok, thx.  I dont want to do anything like that on this fresh clean Edgy install though03:26
RawSewageLTI'll just wait for an official update03:26
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shadowhywindwhat do you mean rawsewage?03:26
RawSewageLTI only want to instal things in the repos03:26
RawSewageLTwithout having to add special repos03:27
shadowhywindall it is, is adding 1 file to the plugin directory of firefox03:27
RawSewageLTwhere can I get that03:27
shadowhywind*lets see if this works*03:27
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats03:28
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hazard2quick question: anybody know anything about programming in C?03:28
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intelikeyhazard2 is this a poll ?03:28
Egiwell ... me in c++ a little bit03:28
hazard2well, specfically, why can't I create a global program varible?03:28
shadowhywindraw go here http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html03:28
intelikeythere is a channel for that.03:29
hazard2and google is feeling useless03:29
Egiwho told you that ?03:29
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Egiof course you can03:29
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository03:29
hazard2I know you can, but gcc isn't letting me.03:29
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about jdk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:29
ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)03:29
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ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats03:30
RawSewageLTshadowhywind: thx.  I'll install that03:30
shadowhywindhopefully that will work, that is what i had to do03:30
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intelikeywho ever rewrote the bot <glares at Seveas>  really didn't help anything.03:30
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hazard2what's the channel for c?03:31
bobbyyuCan someone please tell me how to export the Java path and make it global througout the shell? My copy is gone now that my Kubuntu decided to lock itself up.03:31
hazard2(and how do I join with Konversation?03:31
intelikeyb-e should not be linked to that infonode.03:31
dude_jucato !03:32
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RawSewageLTshadowhywind: still crashes.  maybe I need to rebood03:32
RawSewageLTI'll reboot03:32
rhodrihi, i'm using edgy, and after 5 minutes or so of not using my computer i get a blank screensaver which comes up, but i have checked my screensaver settings and it looks off, and i've looked for power management settings but can't find anything to do with turning off the screen.  this is really annoying when i'm watching movies, can anyone help?  thanks.03:33
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shadowhywindthere is one other folder that you can try to put the file in,03:33
shadowhywinddo a find for plugins, firefox has like a global folder i don't remembere where03:34
shadowhywindalso did you remove both files for flash?03:34
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analfabetai'm trying write in my pendrive, but after, Safety Remove, unplug and replug a pendrive, archives isnot copied. whats happining?!03:37
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Jucatodude_: sorry I was awaaaaaaay03:40
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dude_jucato: i burned mp3, but it doesn't play03:41
dude_jucato: i used kb303:41
Jucatodude_: did you install libk3b-mp3 (or something like that)?03:41
dude_jucato: le me chck03:42
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Jucatodude_: libk3b2-mp303:42
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dude_jucato: not yet installed03:43
Jucatobleh :P03:44
dude_jucato: re starting kb303:44
vipercatcan someone help me with how to install avast onto kubuntu ..  this i my first attempt at using linux so i dont know what to use or how to use it ?03:45
HawkwindWhat is avast ?03:46
Jucatoavast ye mateys?03:46
vipercatavast is an antivirus program03:46
Hawkwindvipercat: You don't need antivirus on Linux03:46
OODchances are there wont be a single linux virus for a few years03:47
Hawkwindvipercat: Unless you run a mail server that Windows users have access to from within Windows03:47
OODand if one does come out, expect a patch that kills it03:47
dude_jucato: what are those? "libk3b2-mp3?03:48
vipercatits not the antivirus im worried about its just an excersise in how to install a program that is not normally part of linux03:48
Jucato!info libk3b2-mp3 | dude_03:48
ubotulibk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 100 kB03:48
dude_jucato, tnx03:48
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Jucatodude_: but are you just trying to burn a data disc, or mp3's into an audio cd?03:49
vipercatok how do i install firefox from a .tar.gz file than ?03:50
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notechavast has .deb package03:50
vipercatwhat is a deb package ?03:51
Hawkwindvipercat: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox03:51
notechdeb are the package format used by unbuntu/debian03:52
Hawkwindvipercat: You don't need to download and compile things on a deb based distro.  Use the tools the distro gives you to install things that are prepackaged03:52
dude_jucato: still the same03:52
Jucatovipercat: try learning the basics of installing first. The usual "ladder" of installation choices is: Repository > DEB package > compiling from source03:52
Jucatodude_: hm.... are you trying to burn an Audio CD or a Data CD with MP3's in it?03:52
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dude_jucato: Data CD with MP3's in it03:53
HawkwindIf it's mp3's you should burn it as an audio cd, not a data cd03:53
dude_hawkwind: why?03:53
JucatoHawkwind: well it's possible to burn a Data CD w/ MP3's in it.03:53
JucatoI know, I do it03:53
HawkwindJucato: True.  But if it's all mp3's, why not just burn it as an audio cd then you have no worries of it not working03:54
dude_jucato: im using a CD-RW, is it ok03:54
vipercatok thanks just one more question  is there a list somewhere that tells me what the different files are and which programs do what as a comparison to windows ?03:54
Jucatodude_: doesn't matter :)03:54
JucatoHawkwind: backups? transferring? I'd hate to burn them as Audio CD only to rip them again later03:55
dude_jucato: my cd player can't read it03:55
Jucatodude_: maybe your CD player can't read MP3's?03:55
Jucatoonly Audio CD's03:55
dude_jucato: it can, just wondering, when im in xp, and burn mp3s, the cd player can read it03:56
shadowhywindanyone use a systemmonitor in karamaba03:56
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Jucatodude_: I haven't run into a problem like that...03:57
Jucatoanything I burn, MP3's into Data CD, or convert to Audio CD, works fine03:57
dude_jucato: maybe my player doesn't read CD-RW03:58
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Jucatothat's a possibility03:58
Jucatoit usually says on the cover of the player whether it can or it can't03:58
dude_jucato: ya, wait, i'll buy CD-R03:59
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zanopholCan anyone help me figure out why on my 1600x1200 laptop screen, why the login and password fonts are so huge?04:02
zanopholI have adjusted all the kde fonts I can find through control center, but still huge fonts04:03
felixjeti have a doubt (yea one more =()04:05
felixjetim trying to setup a TV card04:05
felixjetand a manual say to dl the last kernel source and put it into /usr/src/04:05
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felixjetthere, i have this folder: linux-headers-2.6.15-27-686 .which is the kernel im using04:05
dragonflysevenDo you have to defragment your disk in kubuntu?04:06
felixjetbut the last stable kernel is .should i use the one dled ? or the one i have in my HD04:06
Jucatodragonflyseven: not really04:06
zanopholanyone have big login fonts?04:06
Jucatofelixjet: you can see which kernel you are using by typing "uname -r" in Konsole04:06
dragonflysevenOk, cool. The once every 30 startups thing takes care of it?04:06
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felixjetim using 2.6.15-27-68604:07
Jucatodragonflyseven: that's not defragging. it's fsck, like chkdsk in windows04:07
felixjetbut the last is
felixjetwhat kernel should use?04:07
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dragonflysevenOh. But I don't have to worry about defraging?04:07
Jucatofelixjet: the one you're using right now.unless you want to compile. 2.6.17 isn't availabe yet in Dapper, much less 2.6.1804:07
felixjetya, i need compile :(04:08
Jucatodragonflyseven: nope. not that much, anyway04:08
felixjetto get working the video TV module04:08
Jucatofelixjet: ah well I guess you need more help than I can give...04:08
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felixjetshould i use linux-headers-2.6.15-27-686 folder as source?04:08
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felixjetand what if i use the kernel i downloaded? kubuntu will crash?04:09
JucatoHawkwind: where's that kernel compilation guide of yours?04:09
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dragonflysevenOk, cool. Thank you.04:09
HawkwindJucato: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=611.004:10
Jucatofelixjet: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^04:10
JucatoHawkwind: thanks04:10
felixjetHawkwind: what happen if i compile the new stable kernel on kubuntu?04:11
Hawkwindfelixjet: I'm using on Dapper and 2.6.19-rc2 on Edgy, so I'd guess nothing except you'd be at a newer kernel04:12
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felixjetand whats the difference :(04:12
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felixjetexist any risk? or new kernel only gives me more improves04:13
Jucatoso far I personally haven't had any need to compile kernels... thank goodness...04:14
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Hawkwindfelixjet: All depends on how *you* build it04:14
PenguinistaKCThe only risk you run with a new kernel is with any proprietary, binary-only modules that you might include (e.g., nividia proprietary drivers). they are often keyed to a specific kernel version.04:14
felixjetill follow ur guide lol04:15
HawkwindPenguinistaKC: That's why you install the drivers directly from nvidia.com and then you have no worries04:15
Hawkwindfelixjet: There is a script there on that post too that will do it all for you04:15
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PenguinistaKChawkwind: As long as nvidia is keeping up with kernel updates04:15
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PenguinistaKChawkwind: They haven't always been so good about that04:15
HawkwindPenguinistaKC: It has nothing to do with kernel updates04:16
igorhi all04:16
HawkwindI built 2.6.19-rc2 the day it was released on kernel.org and the nvidia drivers install against it perfectly fine04:16
igorcan somebody help me with upgrade04:16
igorI'm getting this error message:04:16
felixjetthis is so hard to me >.<04:17
igorW: GPG error: http://packages.freecontrib.org edgy-plf Release: The following si                                                                                                   gnatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY                                                                                                    F120156012B8371804:17
igorin dpkg run04:17
Jucatoigor: remove or comment out (put a # at the beginning) of the packages.freecontrib.org lines04:17
Hawkwindigor: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv F120156012B83718 && gpg --export --armor F120156012B83718 | sudo apt-key add -04:18
Hawkwindigor: Copy/paste that into a terminal to import the key04:18
felixjetcan u take a look at a link please?04:18
intelikeyJucato yeah rolled a kernel or two for that purpose...04:18
felixjetim so confuse04:18
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felixjetim trying to do that04:19
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intelikeyJucato both 2.4 and 2.6's    it takes a little time.  nothing hard about it though.    if you "philosophy" i'd say go for it.04:21
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unix_infidelanyone know of a 3rd party deb for python 2.5?04:24
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unix_infidelspecific for ubuntu?04:25
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igorgpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/igor/.gnupg/gpg.conf'04:29
igorgpg: external program calls are disabled due to unsafe options file permissions04:29
igorgpg: keyserver communications error: general error04:29
igorgpg: keyserver receive failed: general error04:29
BluesKajCan an older pc like a 233mhz MMX  be used as a network server using a large HDD with ubuntu ?04:29
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igorit doesn't work04:29
ErtainHas the problem with the screensaver not working unless the power saver option is set, been resolved?04:29
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dudejucato: :(04:30
intelikeyigor  ls -l /home/igor/.gnupg/gpg.conf04:31
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igorintelikey: it acts same04:33
intelikeythat's good, it would be desasterous if 'ls' changed anything.04:33
intelikeyso what did ls say ?04:34
igor-rw------- 1 igor igor 8084 Nov  1 12:18 /home/igor/.gnupg/gpg.conf04:34
h3sp4wnfelixjet: If I was you I wouldn't use the binary drivers from nvidia.com (its messy) build the nvidia-graphics-driver package from debian unstable or experimental (that will give you an nvidia-kernel-source package which you can build with module-assistant04:35
unix_infidelanyone for my python 2.5 question.  I'm looking for some 3rd party packages, preferably in a repo and release non specific.04:35
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intelikeyi guess gpg keys are supposed to be root only.  you can chown it    but if you do i would sujest moving it to some place owned by root also04:35
duanedoes flash 9 crash alot for anybody04:36
duaneshit crashes like every ten minutes for me04:36
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intelikey@ igor04:36
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igorroot@igor-kohnolab:~# gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv F120156012B83718 && gpg --export --armor F120156012B83718 | sudo apt-key add -04:37
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.04:37
igorgpg: directory `/root/.gnupg' created04:37
igorgpg: new configuration file `/root/.gnupg/gpg.conf' created04:37
igorgpg: WARNING: options in `/root/.gnupg/gpg.conf' are not yet active during this run04:37
igorgpg: keyring `/root/.gnupg/secring.gpg' created04:37
igorgpg: keyring `/root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg' created04:37
igorgpg: requesting key 12B83718 from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net04:37
igorgpg: /root/.gnupg/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created04:37
igorgpg: key 12B83718: public key "Lionel Le Folgoc (mr_pouit) <lionel.lefolgoc@free.fr>" imported04:37
igorgpg: Total number processed: 104:37
igorgpg:               imported: 104:37
intelikeyand yes others have expressed crash problems with flash9 'beta'04:38
BluesKajintelikey, why does installing flashplayer remove the flash plugin in FF?04:39
intelikeyBluesKaj i have no idea.  i don't do flash04:40
duanehow do i uninstall the flash plugin?04:40
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BluesKajuse adept and install flashplayer ...don't hink it works anyway :)04:41
notechgee, a beta app crashing how surprising. heh04:41
ErtainSo... No one knows how to solve the screensaver problem?04:41
intelikeybut i can tell you the reason, .... cause the package says it conflicts, thus dpkg removes the offending package to install the new one.04:41
ccomp5950Anyone know of a utility that extracts files from ISO's instead of having to burn them to a CD then copy them over?04:42
h3sp4wnccomp5950: mount -o loop04:42
h3sp4wnccomp5950: (then just access it like any other filesystem)04:42
intelikeyutility ccomp5950 ???  just mount it.04:42
duanehow do I install the stable flash?04:43
duanefrom apt04:43
ubotuflashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.68~ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 164 kB (Only available for i386)04:43
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intelikeystable and flash ?    is that a joke ?04:43
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ccomp5950didn't know I could mount an ISO, thanks guys04:44
igornow it says it has dependenices prob.04:44
ccomp5950mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso04:44
igorcan I install packages from deb unstable?04:45
igoris that wise?04:45
h3sp4wnigor: Not binaries no04:45
intelikeyccomp5950 the -t is un-nessesary04:45
h3sp4wnigor: You can build debian unstable source fine most of the time04:45
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intelikeyigor you shouldn't    it can be done,  but it will probably break things.    ubuntu is not debian.04:46
ccomp5950intelikey: thanks04:46
kyle_anybody use cedega in here?04:47
igorwhat should I do then?04:47
intelikeyigor what are you trying for ?04:47
igorit needs python2.4-tk and and xutils04:47
intelikeyigor what's the desired end result ?04:48
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igoredgy from 6.0504:48
intelikey!info python2.4-tk04:48
ubotuPackage python2.4-tk does not exist in any distro I know04:48
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intelikey!info python2.4-tk edgy04:49
ubotuPackage python2.4-tk does not exist in edgy04:49
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intelikey!info python2.5-tk edgy04:49
ubotuPackage python2.5-tk does not exist in edgy04:49
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about seen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:49
intelikeyigor again i ask "what is the desired end result?"   "what are you trying to do?"04:50
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igorI've been trying to upgrade to 6.1004:51
igorfrom 6.0504:51
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intelikeyyou don't need to be looking for packages to fix the 6.6 then      i don't know why ubotu cant find this.04:52
intelikeytty2 [greg@~]  q python2.4-tk04:52
intelikeypython2.4-tk - Tkinter - Writing Tk applications with Python (v2.4)04:52
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intelikeyigor i would sujest apt-get removing all that can be removed with having to type in "Yes, I know this is a bad idea"  or  "Yes, do as I say!"  to get it to remove it.  and then doing the upgrade.  after a successful upgrade you can install anything edgy.04:55
sinbad44why does saving a binary file result in corruption in kubuntu ??04:55
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intelikeysinbad44 it doesn't04:56
sinbad44well i keep getting this error04:56
coreymon77my dog just got skunked :(\04:56
flakeis there a way around the redraw problem using Wine?04:56
sinbad44halfway thru downloading04:57
intelikeyigor with/without  ^04:57
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felixjet_!info kde-devel04:57
ubotukde-devel: the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB04:57
felixjet_!info kde-core04:58
ubotukde-core: the K Desktop Environment core modules. In component main, is optional. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB04:58
intelikeysinbad44 downloading what and from where?   and using what to dl it?04:58
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RobNyc_damn I been updating my Kubuntu Knot 3 to Edgy for like 3hours lol04:59
RobNyc_on a 3mbps connection04:59
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sinbad44using konqueror browser to download    http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ipcop/ipcop-install-cd-1.4.11.i386.iso?use_mirror=ufpr04:59
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flakeis there a way around the redraw issue with wine?04:59
geeckohey, maybe a simple question, but how do i set up screesavers in dapper?05:00
intelikeysinbad44 try; wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ipcop/ipcop-install-cd-1.4.11.i386.iso?use_mirror=ufpr05:00
Dasnipa`right click on desktop05:00
Jucatogeecko: System Settings -> Desktop -> Screensavers ?05:00
Jucatoor what Dasnipa` said05:01
Dasnipa`geecko, yeah its in configure desktop05:01
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sinbad44ok but do u have any idea why the browser wont work for downloading that ?05:01
intelikeyor run kcontrol05:01
geeckoDasnipa`: ok, i knew i saw that before05:02
Jucatointelikey: you have to remember, KControl isn't originally visible on a default Kubuntu install :P05:02
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Jucatosinbad44: it works here. what problem are you getting?05:02
intelikeysinbad44 no that's why i wanted you to try wget   to rule out the problme being on the other end...05:02
geeckoDasnipa`: it looks like that's disabled though, so y would the big X pop up during mplayer?05:03
Jucatointelikey: that link is a page that lets you select mirrors05:03
intelikeyJucato :)    the command is the same all over    no?05:03
Jucatointelikey: I don't know. does wget let you choose which mirror to use?05:03
Dasnipa`speaking of screensavers is there a handy console command to modify screensaver settings? i wanna write a fairly basic script for myself to make 'on the fly' modifications05:03
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intelikeyJucato hehhe well that's the url he gave me.05:04
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Jucatointelikey: well, you should have checked :P05:04
Dasnipa`geecko, big x?05:04
intelikeyJucato no   you need the url of the actual dl05:04
Jucatointelikey: don't tell me that :P05:04
geeckoDasnipa`: the X logo; X screensaver05:04
Jucatointelikey: btw, that wget command you gave only downloads the web page :P05:04
intelikeyJucato lagging 20 seconds and you expect me to check urls.......05:04
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Jucatointelikey: well, didn't know you were lagging... :)05:05
Jucatowhy are you lagging anyway?05:05
intelikeyan update......05:05
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intelikeydialup you know.05:05
intelikeyoh cool, and it errored out....05:06
Jucatoooh... never knew you were on dialup... my bad..05:06
igorintelikey: how do I go back?05:07
intelikeyyeah ya did.  you just forgot.05:07
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Jucatointelikey: maybe I did... but if I forgot, I wouldn't know that I did, right?05:07
intelikeyigor not sure you can....  i'll be finished with this in a few minutes and maybe i can be of more help...05:08
intelikeyJucato :)     SO05:08
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intelikeyok i think i'm back to normal05:10
intelikeywhat ever that is.05:10
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intelikeysee second post ^05:10
Jucatoyeah yeah :)05:10
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intelikeyigor what error.  lets see if we can do a few tricky apt-gets and fix it.05:11
igor  python-tk: Depends: python2.4-tk (>= 2.4.2)05:11
igor  python2.4-epydoc: Depends: python2.4-tk05:11
igor  python2.4-unit: Depends: python2.4-tk05:11
igor  ttf-arphic-uming: Depends: xutils (>= 4.0.2) but it is not installed05:11
igorI got broken dep.05:11
coreymon77watch this05:11
coreymon77!seen anything05:12
ubotuI last saw Anything (n=UbuntuGa@p5493EF22.dip.t-dialin.net) 11h 13m 17s ago, quiting: "http://www.ubuntu-gaming.de"05:12
coreymon77it used to say05:12
intelikeyigor sudo apt-get remove -f python-tk05:12
coreymon77i havent seen anything recently05:12
coreymon77!seen nothing05:12
ubotuI last saw Nothing (i=Nothing@218-165-134-228.dynamic.hinet.net) 2d 18h 28m 1s ago, quiting:05:12
coreymon77!seen everything05:13
ubotuI haven't seen everything recently05:13
Jucato!botabuse | coreymon7705:13
ubotucoreymon77: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots  -  Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... ;-)05:13
coreymon77!seen a signle thing05:13
intelikeycoreymon77 please play in pm05:13
igorpython-unit: Depends: python-tk but it is not going to be installed05:13
igor  python2.4-epydoc: Depends: python2.4-tk05:13
igor  python2.4-unit: Depends: python2.4-tk05:13
igor  ttf-arphic-uming: Depends: xutils (>= 4.0.2) but it is not going to be installed05:13
Jucato!pastebin > igor05:13
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intelikeyigor sudo apt-get remove -f python-tk python-unit python2.4-epydoc05:14
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intelikeyif that errors try it without the -f05:14
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Jucatowhat's igor trying to do?05:15
igorintelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29652/05:15
intelikeyand is having a depends prob05:15
Jucatoupgrade to Edgy?05:15
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Jucatoigor: did you follow the steps from KubuntuUpgrade?05:15
edseidelevening all05:15
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igorthen it broke05:16
igorthen I've changed repos05:16
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Jucatochanged it? to what?05:16
BdySncheranyone have a good program for viewing mutiple jpg images in a slideshow?05:16
intelikeyigor did you try it with the -f ?05:16
cyanid3BdySncher - gwenview is a good one05:16
cyanid3no prob05:17
ubotuSee http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)05:17
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cyanid3I'm having some weird problems mounting an external hard drive..  the dmesg output is here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29653/05:17
Jucatoigor: did you do this part already? "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal"05:17
intelikeyigor try this; sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install  $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)05:19
coreymon77my dog just got skunked :(05:20
cyanid3that must stink05:20
cyanid3; )05:20
intelikeylier   you said the same thing 30 minutes ago,  and no dog will do that twice in that time......05:20
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intelikeyyeah what he said05:21
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intelikeyigor where are you ?05:22
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igorjust very stupid guy05:23
intelikeynot who just where ?05:23
igorhere I am05:23
intelikeyk did you try that ^05:23
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intelikeyigor try this; sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install  $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)05:23
intelikeywhat did it do ?05:23
intelikeythat's a repost btw ^05:24
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igorit displays a loong list of unmet depend.05:24
cyanid3does anyone know what this usb related dmesg means?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29653/05:25
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intelikeyok.  can you pastebin the output05:25
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sinbad44anyone here ever run guarddog firewall on kubuntu yet ?05:26
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xunixanybody know where to get RTE for mozilla firefox or opera?05:28
seishinbyouAll hail the power of Vubuntu....I mean, hello05:28
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intelikeyok Jucato unless i'm not reading this correctly  the two packages "python2.4-htmltmpl & python2.4-xml" from the 6.6 install are, and probably were broken when he (igor) started the upgrade.     got any input on a fix for that ?05:29
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Jucatoit's because Edgy uses python3 already, afaik05:30
Jucatodid he try the command I gave earler?05:30
Jucato"sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal"05:30
intelikeyrepost it for him05:30
intelikeyigor  see jucato   try that ^05:30
Jucatoat least, that's what the KubuntuUpgrade guide says05:31
igoragain, very long list05:31
igorof unmet dep.05:31
intelikeyerrors out    yeah expected05:32
unix_infidelJucato: edgy uses python 3?05:32
Jucatoer.. I thought it did...05:32
unix_infidelstill 2.4 as far as i can tell.05:32
unix_infidel2.5 was released a week or two before 3dgy.05:32
Jucatoah yeah05:32
Jucatosorry for the misinfo05:32
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Jucatointelikey: sorry bout that05:32
unix_infideli was in here asking about python 2.5 backports.05:33
Admiral_ChicagoJucato: i didn't think it was going to be 305:33
Admiral_Chicagowel whatever the case may be, i'm going to shower05:33
Jucatothis is what happens when more blood goes to your stomach instead of your brain...05:33
Jucatobut anyway, the breakage is mostly caused by a newer python version...05:33
intelikeyigor change the etc/apt/sources.list back to dapper and do this;    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)05:33
intelikeysee if we can fix the broken and then upgrade....05:33
Jucatointelikey: he's getting held back packages?05:33
unix_infidelJucato: actually, edgy uses python 2.5, it seems they recently updated.05:34
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intelikeyJucato yeah http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29654/plain/05:34
Jucatounix_infidel: haven't received any updates yet05:34
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unix_infideli was actually looking for 2.5 backports to LTS05:34
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Jucatointelikey: I tried to use "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" for the last batch of held back packages, *after* installing kubuntu-desktop05:34
Jucatoit's important that kubuntu-desktop is installed05:34
intelikeyyes or that a lot of things that go with it are removed, one or the other.05:35
Admiral_Chicagohmm i didn't have kubuntu-desktop installed05:35
Jucatoif it was removed, reinstall it05:36
dudejucato: why is it my frostwire doesn't open05:36
maryenhey guys05:36
Jucatodude: a problem with the script, I guess....05:36
andresmujicawhy at ubuntu official repos the kde version is 3.5.2 and at the kubuntu repos the kde version is 3.5.5??05:36
maryeney jucato, got any experience in apt-build?05:36
andresmujicathe kde version at kubuntu is unofficil??05:36
Jucatomaryen: sorry, nope05:36
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Admiral_Chicagoandresmujica: because edgy came out with kubuntu 3.5.505:36
dudejucato: so what should i do?05:36
dudemaryen !05:37
intelikeyandresmujica  3.5.2 is in dapper  and  3.5.5 edgy05:37
Admiral_Chicagoto install kde 3.5.5, add the KDE repo05:37
Jucatoandresmujica: Kubuntu Dapper shipped with KDE 3.5.2, Kubuntu Edgy ships with KDE 3.5.505:37
andresmujicano, i'm talking about dapper.. kde-latest for dapper is 3.5.505:37
Jucatodude: honestly, I don't know. never tried to use frostwire05:37
andresmujicaso is better to let dapper with 3.5.2??05:37
maryenhave you got your system set up to use the right java?05:37
Admiral_Chicagoandresmujica: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php05:37
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Jucatoandresmujica: Kubuntu packages more recent KDE versions but are not put into the main ubuntu repositories05:38
intelikeyandresmujica better is in the eye of the doer05:38
Jucatothey are official as far as Kubuntu is concerned05:38
Admiral_Chicagoyou'll need to get Riddell's key which is probably why it's not updating on Daper05:38
JucatoRiddel's key is available on each and every KDE upgrade page05:38
Admiral_Chicagoshower now05:39
JucatoAdmiral_Chicago: you've said that for the last 3 minutes...05:39
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intelikeyi need one of those05:39
andresmujicawell, i usually update my servers with kubuntu repos to get the latest kde... but with 3.5.5 i'm having A LOT of issues... kmail with sasl, gam_server, dbus.. hal and usb.. etc. etcc so i'm trying to downgrade.05:39
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intelikeynot that bad i don't05:40
intelikeyandresmujica servers with kde on them ???????05:41
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andresmujicaLTSP servers05:41
dudejucato: :(05:41
dudejucato: :( huhuhu05:41
intelikeybut with kde on them ?05:41
andresmujicayeap for the thin clients..05:42
intelikeyor gnome or any desktop environment......05:42
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andresmujicawell some users use gnome05:42
andresmujicabut others use kde..05:42
JobberwackyI use both05:42
flaccidi have both installed, only use kde05:43
cyanid3I'm unable to mount an external usb hard drive.  Here's the `dmesg | grep usb` : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29655/05:43
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intelikeyterminal servers    i was not thinking in those terms...05:43
JobberwackyWell I don't use both on the same OS05:43
igorstill the same05:43
Jobberwackyon ubuntu i use gnome and xfce, on fedora i use kde05:43
intelikeyoh i installed 'nome kde blackbox fluxbox twm xfce4 and icewm95  on this box05:44
andresmujicayea, i've got the same questions.. should i use a server kernel? or a desktop kernel? this kind of servers are more like desktops than servers...05:44
Jucatoigor: did you try "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" earlier? (using Edgy sources.list)05:44
intelikeyi'm down to twm now.....05:44
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Jucatoigor: aptitude, not apt-get?05:44
Zaireoooh just download the edgy image its much safer then changing your sources05:45
igorshould I try?05:45
Jucatoigor: wouldn't hurt. but you have to use the Edgy sources.list05:45
Jobberwackyyou mean the alt cd is good for an upgrade?05:45
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Zaireevery single time I tried changing my sources to edgy following a kubuntu manual its broken my install05:45
intelikeywhat... Reinstallation of language-pack-en-base is not possible, it cannot be dl'd              igor your sources.list  ?05:45
intelikeyJucato shouldn't we first get his installation streightened out.... then upgrade05:46
Jucatointelikey: what? it's a fresh installation of Dapper?05:47
intelikeyJucato no but it's hosed.05:47
seishinbyouIs there a nice fix to get Wine working on Kubuntu Edgy?  The one I got from apt-get hangs the system and the one built from source segfaults on execution05:47
intelikeyJucato   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29656/05:47
Jucatointelikey: the upgrade problems are cauased by the upgrade itself, not the installation05:47
dudejucato: :( huhuhu pls help05:47
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Jobberwackywine doesn't work in edgy??05:48
cyanid3i think wine has an apt repository05:48
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto05:48
RobNycAnyone here has ATI on Kubuntu Edgy05:48
seishinbyouIt worked on Dapper no problem.  No idea why is won't work on a clean install of edgy05:48
Jobberwackyhmm, more reason for me not to upgrade05:49
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intelikeyJucato i'll gladly back up out of the way.    IF you will fix igor    but what ever we do lets don't pull igor from both ends.05:49
RobNycCVirus, hey05:49
RobNycHawkwind, hey05:49
sinbad44i think i may be going BACK to dapper05:49
Jucatointelikey: ok you take over then. I'm quite busy. thanks! :)05:49
RobNycsinbad44, why05:49
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sinbad44way too many things dont work right on 6.0605:50
intelikeyigor yes i just looked at it.05:50
seishinbyouIt was a trade off, I guess.  I had some trouble with vmware on dapper.  No problems on edgy...opposite for wine05:50
duanei worked out all my edgy problems tho05:50
dudeneed help05:50
duanenice distro05:50
duanemultimedia keys ftw05:50
dudefrostwire doesn't open05:50
Jobberwacky6.06 is dapper05:50
intelikeyigor i thought you were going to change the sources back to dapper and fix the broken packages first then upgrade ?05:50
igorI tried thay05:51
igorI tried that05:51
intelikeyigor that sources is all edgy05:51
sinbad44duane wat do u use in place of adept ?05:51
cyanid3seishinbyou, here's the official wine repo for ubuntu... http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb05:51
duanesinbad44: i dont use anything in place of adept05:51
cyanid3I don't know if that'll have problems too, but it might be worth a try05:51
duanewhat's wrong with adept?05:51
igoryes, now05:51
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seishinbyoucyanid3: tried that.  That is the version that hangs my system05:51
intelikeyok were are we exactly igor ?05:52
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RobNyclets see if my ATI x1600 pro works05:52
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sinbad44well adept hangs up alot on me when i try to install stuff05:52
cyanid3seishinbyou alright05:52
dudewhats wrong with my frostwire05:52
igorgoing back to dapper05:52
intelikeyi say you will not upgrade until you get dpkg fixed.  if jucato or someone else can say other wise let them say.05:52
seishinbyouNot a critical issue, as I can install most of what I need in the VMware WinXP image, but still05:53
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sinbad44if 6.06 is dapper then why doesnt the name dapper show up anywhere on my desktop or during the boot or anywhere else ?05:53
igorok, I'm listening05:53
intelikeyigor then change all 'edgy' to 'dapper' in the sources.list and lets see what we can do.05:53
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intelikeyok run   sudo apt-get update05:54
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Zaireummm you did warn him that it could frag his install right?05:54
sinbad44amarok seems to work nicely05:54
dudewhat kind of error is this? ---> "runFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")"05:55
Jucatodude: how are you running the script?05:56
Jucatoor are you just pressing something from the K Menu?05:56
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dudejucato: link, shortcut05:56
igorintelikey: done05:56
igorno prob.05:57
intelikeyJucato it's a syntax error05:57
Jucatodoes it link to somewhere like /usr/bin ?05:57
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intelikeyigor now run;  sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)05:57
Jucatointelikey: bash to dash problem I think05:57
intelikeyno missind )05:57
knapperHow do I choose which media player is used to play video files in file browse mode- konq05:57
Jucatoknapper: Konqueror -> Settings -> COnfigure Konqueror -> File Associations05:58
dudejucato: i also run frostwire from terminal05:58
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knapperah, thanks jucato05:58
dudejucato: i also run frostwire from terminal and gives me this error "runFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")05:58
Jucatodude: how are you running it? I think you have edit the script a bit05:58
intelikeyigor ok sit tight and let me look.05:59
intelikeyigor what's this ?05:59
intelikeyigor you sure you posted the right url ?06:00
Admiral_ChicagoJucato: now i'm out the shower06:00
dudejucato: ?06:00
JucatoAdmiral_Chicago: well put something on!!!06:00
Jucatodude: what are you typing in the terminal to run frostwire?06:01
Admiral_ChicagoJucato: haha,working on it06:01
dudejucato: yes06:01
dudejust frostwire06:01
Admiral_ChicagoIRC or putting clothes on06:01
JucatoAdmiral_Chicago: lol! IRC *while* putting on clothes06:01
intelikeyigor ok now pastebin the output of;    dpkg -l | grep python06:01
Jucatodude: so there's a /usr/bin/frostwire script?06:01
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intelikeyigor sudo dpkg -P python-tk06:06
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dude_jucato: yes there is06:07
dude_"cd /usr/lib/frostwire"06:07
dude_"sh runFrost.sh"06:07
Jucatodude_: try looking for that runFrost.sh script06:08
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dude_jucato: sh runFrost.sh? is this right?06:09
dude_bash and sh?06:09
Jucatodude_: I think so06:09
Jucatoif the start of the script is #!/bin/bash, you don't need to do "bash script.sh"06:10
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Jucatodude_: try to check if runFrost.sh starts with #!/bin/bash or #!/bin/sh.06:10
Jucatoxsacha: hi!06:10
xsachai have this new setup where i use the programs file, edit, etc menu for my top bar06:10
xsachabut i dont know how to change the background colour for it :S i know it is using kubuntu-panel.png06:11
intelikeyok what is depending on python-tk ?06:11
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intelikeyigor sudo apt-get remove python-tk06:11
intelikeypastebin the errors      assuming it give errors06:12
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xsachaat the moment i have it so when i put mouse in top left corner, the K menu appears there :) working nicely06:12
xsachaother than that i have a full screen :)06:12
Jucatoxsacha: you want to make that Mac OS X-like menu bar at the top use the settings of your main/regular panel?06:13
Jucatoxsacha: right-click on the panel, COnfigure Panel, Appearance options -> Advanced Options, check Apply to panel with menu06:13
xsachacause i stock my clock and apps on that menu bar too but it looks ugly without transparency -- it atleast needs to be blue06:13
xsachait doesnt have configure panel :(06:13
Jucatoxsacha: on your other (main) panel06:14
xsachaohh kcontrol06:14
Jucatoyou removed the main panel?06:14
xsachayeah lol06:14
intelikeyigor sudo apt-get remove python-tk  python-unit python2.4-epydoc python2.4-unit ttf-arphic-uming    <--- se where that goes.06:14
xsacharemoved everything off it06:14
Jucatoah but it still runs06:14
Jucatoit still exists :P06:14
intelikeyonly apt could give such trybble....06:15
Jucatoxsacha: anyway, yeah kcontrol06:15
intelikeytrubble even06:15
Jucatotrouble even06:15
xsachain panels? not seeing an option of another panel06:15
Jucatoxsacha: no. in the Appearance options06:16
Jucatothen the Advanced options button06:16
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Jucato"Also apply to panel with menu bar"06:16
xsacha:S Advanced-> ?06:16
xsachai mean Appearance-> where is advanceD?06:17
Jucatoxsacha: KControl -> Desktop -> Panels -> Appearance tab -> Advanced Options button06:17
Jucato(that's what you get for removing the main panel :P)06:17
intelikeyigor i thought you removed that ^   sudo apt-get remove  python-epydoc06:18
xsachagah "also apply to..." lol what a stupid option hidden there06:18
intelikeyigor if that goes without error i think we are almost there....06:18
Jucatoxsacha: happy now? :)06:19
Jucatobtw, I hate that Mac OS X style... kinda illogical/unintuitive... :P06:19
xsachayeah but i have so much space now06:20
Jucatobut I'm glad you're happy :)06:20
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xsachanow i just need to remove window borders..06:21
intelikeyigor what are you doing?    didn't you just remove python-tk python-unit python2.4-epydoc python2.4-unit ttf-arphic-uming python-epydoc ????    why are you getting a depends for thos packages now?      what command did you run ?06:22
intelikeyis that the right url ?   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29666/ ????06:22
igorI've run the commnand, I can do it again06:23
xsachai see they now have a beryl themes section in kde-look :D06:23
intelikeydo it again.06:23
Jucatoheh... they really should reorganize that...06:23
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igordone, no change06:23
xsachathing is there's not really any such thing as a beryl theme, they mean emerald themes..06:24
xsachathis is the first (and only) theme they added, not bad! http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=48085&file1=48085-1.jpg&file2=48085-2.jpg&file3=48085-3.jpg&name=uBlue06:24
Jucatoxsacha: I might need your expertise next week btw...06:24
intelikeyand your sources.list is dapper and you did update the database igor  ?06:24
xsachayeah emerald  does the window decorations06:24
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intelikeyjust dubble checking...06:24
Jucatoemerald is the window manager?06:24
xsachaberyl does window manager, emerald does window decorations06:25
Jucatoer.. so two separate things...06:25
xsachayep, without emerald you have no borders :P06:25
igorok, here is my sourcelist: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29667/06:25
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Jucatoxsacha: how do you deal with keyboard shortcuts? I heard that the regular KDE keyboard shortcuts don't work in beryl06:26
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xsachawell of course kwin shortcuts wont work..06:26
maryenwow, this is the first time my system has ever used both processors at full speed at once06:26
xsachaall the keys in beryl are configurably though beryl-settings though06:26
intelikeyigor ok.   apt-get dist-upgrade -f06:26
intelikeysudo that06:26
Jucatoxsacha: well not the kwin shortcuts. how about kde apps shortcuts? or kmenu shortcuts? so ctrl+alt+D to show Desktop doesn't work anymore?06:27
xsachactrl+alt+d shows desktop.. but it's beryls implementation (so it has an animation -- if you want)06:27
Jucatook... I love my shortcuts, so I was a bit hesitant/disappointed to hear about that..06:28
xsachaby default it's alt+f4 to close window and so on.. there's shortcuts for just about everything, cant think of any that are lost off the top of my head06:28
xsachactrl+q is application shortcut?06:29
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Jucatoxsacha: well anyway, I'll be asking you a lot next week :)06:29
JucatoI think so. Ctrl+Q = Quit06:29
xsachactrl+q is done by the individual program, so beryl wont affect it06:29
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intelikeyigor you are being awfully quiet......06:31
igorintelikey: sorry, haven't slept last night06:31
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igorit is working !!!06:31
intelikeydon't get your hopes too high06:32
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intelikeya shot and a chaser might go better with this one......06:32
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igorintelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29668/06:33
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intelikeyigor ok now we try the long string again and see if it fixes this... this looks more promicing now.06:36
intelikeysudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)06:36
intelikeyand possably an   sudo dpkg --configure -a      just for good measure.06:38
igorit is waiting for headers now06:38
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igori'll give you output at the end06:39
fignewseishinbyou: have you tried troubleshooting06:39
seishinbyouI've tried since Breezy Badger; this laptop has always been cursed with something(s) nonstandard; I've learned to live with it06:40
seishinbyouThe multicard reader works, though, strangely06:40
fignewseishinbyou: have you tested it in xev?06:40
xsachathat sucks seishinbyou :( no function keys?06:41
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intelikeyJucato i have one... :)06:41
fignewJucato: I know, I own 3 ;)06:41
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xsachai've got a laptop :P i use it for uni06:41
intelikeyhehhe but it's a 48606:41
seishinbyouxev doesn't pick up squat06:41
JucatoI only have a desktop, with an almost 5-year old 14" monitor with 1024x768 max res06:41
fignewdoes dmesg say anything?06:41
intelikeyJucato 14"  8*{06:42
seishinbyouthe keys work in Windows, though06:42
intelikeyat least i have a 17"  crt06:42
Jucatomaybe the laptop was made with windows in mind...06:42
intelikeywould like a 19" liquid06:42
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fignew19 LCD is only $16006:43
Jucatoheh I'm ok with a CRT... I'm quite a gamer so an LCD might not be good for me06:43
RawSewagehow do I check for updates.   sudo apt-get update  ?  will that tell me if there's updates I need to get?06:43
fignewseishinbyou: I have the same thing, only one key, in windows it switches through power options06:43
soundmaster80what can i use for windows remote desktop connection?06:43
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JucatoRawSewage: if there are updates available, there will be an icon in your system tray06:43
intelikeyRawSewage sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade06:44
RawSewageJucato: what if I have that disapled06:44
fignewnot dist-upgrade06:44
JucatoRawSewage: then there are updates available. you click on that to launch update manager06:44
intelikeyyes dist-upgrade06:44
RawSewageJucato: I have that program disabled06:44
fignewI assure you, dist-upgrade is only when upgrading versions06:44
JucatoRawSewage: ah then you won't get that notification in your system tray, you'd have to do what intelikey said06:45
intelikeyfignew wrong06:45
soundmaster80what can i use for windows remote desktop connection?06:45
igorintelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29669/06:45
intelikeyread the man page06:45
fignewand or major changes06:45
RawSewageJucato: Whats the notifictaion program called again.  I'll re-enable it06:45
Jucatofignew: Adept and Synaptic, by default, use dist-upgrade for updates06:45
JucatoRawSewage: adept_notifier06:45
fignewwhich can break your system :)06:45
Jucatofignew: not really06:45
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Jucatounless you have unofficial repos06:45
RawSewageI dont know why I turned it off06:46
fignewwell, run debian unstable, and you'll agree with me :)06:46
JucatoUbuntu != Debian Sid06:46
fignewUbuntu = Debian unstable snapshots06:46
seishinbyouThere are a handful of special function keys/combos on this laptop that don't work right or at all under Kubuntu: Brightness, Contrast, CD Eject, External Monitor Output, Volume06:47
fignewso technically, they are the same06:47
fignewseishinbyou: what vid card?06:47
Jucatofignew: not really. Ubuntu takes a snapshot of Sid then packages it for Ubuntu.06:47
seishinbyouintel 855gm06:47
fignewthat's what I said06:47
Jucatoby the time it finishes package, Sid would have changed again06:47
xsachaseishinbyou: have you tried configuring your keyboard? with xmodmap thing?06:47
intelikeyigor sudo dpkg --configure -a06:47
digivorewill dist-upgrade   upgrade from dapper to edgy?06:47
RawSewageit either case, plain sudo apt-get upgrade  is safe, right06:48
fignewdigivore: ^^06:48
Jucatowhich means by the time of an Ubuntu release, Sid and Ubuntu will not be exactly identical06:48
xsachaseishinbyou: you can press your key in key capturer, find out the value of that key and then enter it into xmodmap with its intended function06:48
intelikeydigivore only if you change your sources.list06:48
digivorefignew, thx06:48
Jucatodigivore: it's not the full story, but yes06:48
seishinbyouxsacha: the capturer doesn't pick up the key06:48
Jucatoand only if you change your sources.list, as intelikey said06:48
fignewassuming you've changed your sources06:48
intelikeyRawSewage dist-upgrade is safe too06:48
digivoresources.list will have dapper references..06:48
seishinbyouNext time, I'm not getting a LaVie, methinks06:48
intelikeyRawSewage the differances are, upgrade doesn't get system upgrades like kernel  dist-upgrade will06:49
fignew99% of the time upgrade will do the exact same thing as dist-upgrade06:49
RawSewagethats weird06:49
Jucatofignew: not if you tried to upgrade from KDE 3.5.2/3.5.3 to 3.5.4 in Dapper06:49
fignewxsacha: can you at least adjust the brightness of the laptop?06:49
RawSewageThere havent been any updates since Edgy came out06:50
RawSewageI guess Im used to daily updates with Edgy beta06:50
JucatoRawSewage: everybody's busy partying? heheh kidding06:50
xsachafignew: don't know, i've never had a problem with brightness..06:50
Jucatowell of course that was Beta :)06:50
Jucatoyou should have started with Knot 1. updates daily06:50
RawSewageEdgy has a few bugs, but I like it06:50
Jucatosometimes even more than once a day06:50
RawSewageI started with Knot 2, I think06:50
fignewmy mistake, seishinbyou: can you at least adjust the brightness of the laptop?06:51
intelikeyigor that's a script error (aka bug)  try;  sudo apt-get remove xfonts-intl-european06:51
xsachai have had this problem with some linux distributions -- really funky -- when i stick power (wall) into laptop, the monitor dims, then when i take power out and make it use its battery -- it brightens the screen!! WTF lol06:51
RawSewagebut when it came out officially, I did a fresh install06:51
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seishinbyoufignew: Nope.  I set it to max in Windows, and then just left it when using Kubuntu06:51
seishinbyouFor some reason, the change to brightness/contrast, when made through windows, is some sort of permanent setting06:52
fignewawkward :/06:52
fignewwhat type of laptop?06:52
intelikeyRawSewage did you get any upgrades ?   :)06:52
seishinbyouIt is a LaVie (Japanese model)06:52
RawSewageintelikey: no06:52
intelikeytry in a weak or so....06:52
seishinbyouLN502/C to be exact06:52
igorintelikey: again   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29671/06:52
seishinbyouI don't think NEC even makes them anymore06:52
soundmaster80i have dhcp server configured but i forget where the file is to see the clients leases06:53
soundmaster80any help?06:53
seishinbyouCD Eject is just odd.  There is no eject button on the CD tray; it is done through a special function key combo.  The "Eject" menu option in KDE works, though06:53
Zaireanyone know of any good XGL helps for kubuntu that I can print and try later?06:54
fignewI'd be trouble otherwise :/06:54
Jucato!xgl > Zaire06:54
intelikeyigor sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/xfonts-intl-european.postrm . && sudo apt-get remove xfonts-intl-european06:55
seishinbyoufignew: Well, it drive itself isn't that great; I have an external in the office I use for most of my needs anyways06:55
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seishinbyouCombine that with the funky screen res and I've got one messed up laptop, but at least Kubuntu works on it to a greater degree; even Beryl06:56
xsachathat sucks seishinbyou :P my laptop has a little inbuilt button on side to press06:56
soundmaster80*sigh* can no one tell me where the dhcpd leases are found?06:56
igorintelikey: OK06:57
fignewsoundmaster80: you mean dhcp server?06:57
soundmaster80if your asking me, i have it on the server06:57
soundmaster80yes :)06:57
fignewas in dhcpd?06:57
fignew1 sec06:57
soundmaster80i have my server with dhcp giving address, i just want to see where that file is so i can look a machine up06:57
intelikeyigor sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-base06:57
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soundmaster80also, my previous question....i would like to remote desktop to a xp MCE box but i'm having a hard time with krdc06:58
fignewsoundmaster80: check under /var/lib/misc06:58
intelikeyif that goes without a hitch we call jucato and get you on edgy.06:58
seishinbyouxsacha: Well, beggers can't be choosers, and this laptop was given to me by the company06:58
seishinbyouIt's better than running Windows06:58
soundmaster80nothing there06:58
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fignew1 sec06:59
soundmaster80found it thanks...../var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases07:00
igorintlikey: OK07:00
soundmaster80can anyone help with the remote desktop problems i'm having now :)07:00
intelikeyigor your system is ready for the upgrade.07:00
intelikeywish jucato was around now.....07:00
xsachain windows task manager, the memory usage values for processes have shared memory subtracted from them?07:00
igorI'm not sure I want one any more07:00
intelikeyigor well at least if you don't it's not broken now.07:01
soundmaster80lol, nevermind...apparantly it's working now as well07:01
igorThanks man07:01
fignewsoundmaster80: just wondering, what type of remote desktop?07:01
intelikeyigor any time.  i know how big a headach dpkg errors can be.07:02
fignewwhat software?07:02
intelikeyigor that's the one part of the system that you don't want broke....07:02
soundmaster80windows xp remote desktop07:02
fignewrdesktop :(07:02
ironfroggyanyone having trouble with AIM through Kopete?07:02
soundmaster80i use it to update, etc my media center box07:02
igorso can you tell me this:07:02
igorwhat source list should I use for upgrade?07:03
soundmaster80lol, i know....i would use mythTV but i don't think that it does dvd playback as a regular dvd player07:03
igoryes, but which repos07:03
fignewI'm sure it does :P07:03
fignewthat's basic07:03
soundmaster80oh, and i have an nvidia dualtv and i don't think it's supported ither07:03
igorall or just some07:03
soundmaster80true, and thinking about it...i don't want to have to remap keys07:03
intelikeyigor ok pastebin your sources.list and i'll make corrections for you.07:04
soundmaster80i must admit...i just built the system, installed the OS, and everything worked07:04
soundmaster80plug in the remote and it's laid out well07:04
intelikeyi think all but don't remember if your backports was commented out or not.07:04
fignew:( @ nvidia07:04
xsachaanyone have a default xorg.conf they can paste? with all the wacom entries and rest of it07:05
soundmaster80i don't like giving ms anymore credit than i have to07:05
igorintelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29677/07:05
intelikeywhy does M$ need credit.  M$ can afford to pay cash.07:05
ZaireMS sucks lol07:05
fignewMCE is ok, just not as flexible as myth07:05
igorintelikey: I am in japan, so I think I can use  jp instead au?07:05
soundmaster80true...very true07:05
fignewZaire: huh?07:05
xsachamce for some reason doesnt work with either of my tv cards07:05
intelikeyigor ok. i'm on it.07:05
fignewMS is fine07:06
xsachaand i like the software that came with my tv card better07:06
soundmaster80however i'm not one to say that linux will be bursting onto the main desktop scene anytime in the next couple of years...but that's another topic :)07:06
seishinbyouOoh, another one (referring to igor in Japan)07:06
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ZaireI would love it if linux was mainstream I hate windows with a passion lol07:06
seishinbyouIt is on the server side07:07
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soundmaster80as do i, but working 5 years in rural community tech support i can tell you that linux is not ready for the masses yet....i do not like saying it but still07:07
=== Zaire it needs the improvements so it can become more mainstream
fignewno need to hate windows07:07
soundmaster80i agree with zaire07:07
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xsachaneeds to work out of box for everyone07:08
fignewI don't think it *needs* improvement07:08
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Zairefor me I hate windows thats all I got to say about it07:08
fignewworks perfect for me ;)07:08
fignewIt's not meant to be a OS for everyone07:08
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soundmaster80true, I would just like the person who is ready to throw it to the masses to work tech support for those people for a couple of years07:09
xsachahow long till mp3 can be packed in distro without it being a restricted format?07:09
seishinbyouThat is why there are so many distros, because one size definitely does not fit all07:09
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Zairedunno if anyone else has tried Vista RC2 but I tried it out of curiosity and it breaks so damn easy07:09
soundmaster80i love it...it's wonderful for me...just not everyone :)07:09
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fignewamen soundmaster8007:09
ZaireI installed daemon tools and vista broke07:09
seishinbyouSo did Windows 3.0 though (oops, UAE window of death.  I must have breathed wrong)07:10
soundmaster80thank you fignew07:10
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xsachavista version of daemon tools Zaire?07:10
fignewZaire: I bet I can break linux before I break windows :P07:10
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EndlerLinux needs get get better video and wifi  driver support.  Other than that, I think it's really for prime time.07:10
xsachayeah wifi is shocking right now, i have to use windows drivers -- atleast the windows drivers work on it though07:10
fignewvideo, you just need to know two words nvidia or intel ;)07:10
soundmaster80well, i've talked to people for 30-45 minutes looking for an icon that has been moved an inch away07:11
Zairea friend of mine uses a wifi card and it didn't need drivers or anything it was recognized the moment he stuck it in07:11
xsachalucky him :) i wasnt so lucky07:11
EndlerWhat about the WPA situation?07:11
ZaireI think it was a prism207:11
fignewWPA works fine07:11
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soundmaster80well, my philosophy is just research before what works easist and buy that07:12
Zaireand he was using damn small linux07:12
xsachayeha no more ati cards07:12
intelikeyigor ok try this one.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29680/plain/07:12
soundmaster80i am SO not giving this to my mother....the second i tell her to pop open a CLI it's over07:12
EndlerI don't know of a single card that works natively with WPA -- all use wpa_supplicant.07:12
fignewxsacha: I wont be buying ATI because they dropped support for my 9200... a perfectly functional card07:12
xsachalol soundmaster80 :P07:13
soundmaster80lol, well it's true07:13
intelikeyigor be advised that the website uses M$ markup so you cant just dl that and use it.  it will have wrong end of line chars07:13
Zairelol 9200 thats understandable that they did07:13
xsachai wont be buying ati coz their drivers suck -- simple07:13
xsachaZaire: nvidia still support geforce 2 in their latest drivers07:13
fignewZaire: how so? it had 128mb of ram07:13
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soundmaster80i have a friend who is die-hard linux and is ready to give it to everyone he knows...but he's never worked on anyone's pc but his own07:13
xsachalet alone, geforce 4 mx440 -- a card i had 5 years ago07:13
intelikeyigor if you dl that do "dos2unix <filename> "  to it.07:14
Zaire128 is laughable with the games that are coming out now07:14
EndlerI just put Kubuntu on my notebook, but on my desktop I can't get any good  video support because nobody supports Xorg 7.207:14
Jucato*sniff* don't be so cruel Zaire *sniff*07:14
Zairejust being honest07:14
EndlerHave to use open source r300 driver, and it really sucks.07:14
soundmaster80well, it's on everything i have now...except the MCE07:14
xsachaZaire: fact is that it's not that old though.. they are sort of forcing him to upgrade his card07:14
intelikeyJucato your back !07:14
fignewyea, I upgraded, to nvidia07:14
Jucatointelikey: yes, and about to sleep too :D07:14
ZaireI would buy ATI cause its the better graphics card07:15
fignewZaire: I don't play many games07:15
xsachaZaire: not on linux it isnt :P07:15
fignewZaire: hardly ;)07:15
Zairea friend of mine runs ubuntu on his X800 just fine07:15
xsachaZaire: a radeon 7500 will outperform an X800 on linux :S07:15
fignewX800 is OLD!!!!07:15
intelikeyJucato doesnt' really matter igor may not upgrade after all.... least not today.    but we did get the package manager streightened out.07:15
soundmaster80i will love to see the day when more games are on linux...frozen bubble get old :)07:15
ZaireI know I plan to get an X1900 XTX07:15
xsachaZaire: is it supported? :P07:16
Jucatointelikey: ah good. at least he has a working system. that's what's important :)07:16
fignewsoundmaster80: savage07:16
Zaireshould be yea07:16
EndlerYeah, it's a riot.  With ATI cards  the older the better for Linux--really sad.07:16
intelikeyyes.  all is well.07:16
xsachashould be.. but this is ATI..07:16
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Zairetheir hardware acceleration out performs Nvidias in clock speed memory speed and pixel pipelines07:16
xsachaZaire: not on linux07:17
fignewsoundmaster80: http://www.s2games.com/savage/index.php?page=savageindex07:17
EndlerWell, older Radeons, anyway.  ;)07:17
intelikeyJucato "kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-base"  is there any other meta package that needs installed before the upgrade ?07:17
Zairewhatever I go for top notch hardware and gaming requires winblows unfortunately07:17
Jucatointelikey: none that I know of. check the wiki I guess07:17
intelikeyJucato i made sure he had those three...07:18
Jucato!upgrade > intelikey07:18
soundmaster80where is it that i can change konversation to open links in firefox?07:18
seishinbyouIf I were interested in PC games, I'd probably just do it all on Windows anyways07:18
fignewZaire: nah, just nvidia07:18
Jucatosoundmaster80: if you make Firefox your default browser, it will open in Firefox07:18
soundmaster80is this a RPG game?07:18
Zairethe games I play fignew won't play on linux short of UT2k407:18
intelikeyis that the latest info on this.  cause it has been a pretty buggy upgrade for many?07:18
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Zairemy main game right now is BattleField 207:19
soundmaster80tuxracer is smooth as silk baby ...lol07:19
Jucatointelikey: that's the one fdovng uses, and the one we give out07:19
fignewsoundmaster80: sorta, it's a first person realtime strat.07:19
fignewyou can play as an individual or as a commander07:19
intelikeyigor where are you now ?07:20
soundmaster80hmm...sounds cool07:20
seishinbyouYou could just dual boot; Windows for games and Linux for everything else (well, emulation of older systems is fine on either)07:20
Jucatointelikey: although a lot of factors can affect the upgrade: compiz, automatix, easyubuntu, PLF07:20
EndlerI have windows on another partition, but I only seem boot into it once or twice a month now.07:20
igorintelikey: it seems to be OK, I copy-paste that to KWrite and saved with UNIX07:20
soundmaster80a lot of people dual boot for games07:20
fignewsoundmaster80: real fun, needs alot of computing power though07:20
igorintelikey: it is doing the procedure now07:20
intelikeyigor k  good.07:20
soundmaster803000+ a64 ?07:20
soundmaster80that's all i have for now07:20
soundmaster80lol, it's sad that my laptop has more HP than my desktop now07:21
Zairemines an AMD athlon 64 X2 3800+07:21
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fignewsoundmaster80: vid card?07:21
soundmaster80i wouldn't mind that but i think after i buy my mac mini i'm going core 207:21
soundmaster80lol....$200 when i bought it07:21
intelikeyigor if nothing else you have learned a few things about fixing dpkg.  that could come in handy some day.  :)07:22
fignewthat'll work fine07:22
soundmaster80good lord i wish gaming would slow down a bit in hardware needs07:22
ZaireNvidia 6100 onboard07:22
EndlerWhat about running a virtual machine inside Linux for games?  I haven't tried it, but seem like it would be more convenient07:22
seishinbyouEndler: slow slow slow07:22
xsachaZaire: what framerate on battlefield 2 in linux?07:22
Zairenot sure dunno how to check lol07:22
seishinbyouYou are better off trying in bochs if you are going that route07:22
xsachaEndler: no video acceleration in virtual machines07:22
seishinbyouand that isn't saying much07:22
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Zairethat and Ive always had very bad gfx in linux for bf207:22
soundmaster80endler, you have to realize that, at least with vmware, they have a specific set of virtual hardware that makes up the pc07:23
seishinbyouOkay for Turn Based Strategy though, maybe07:23
soundmaster80you might have a 7900 card but vmware will not see that07:23
seishinbyouIt emulates its' own "VMWare" display device07:23
xsachavirtual machines cannot do 3d video acceleration, .07:23
intelikeyseishinbyou email is ok for turn based stratigy .....07:23
EndlerWhere is the cheapest place to get a 6600?  I've had it with ATI, but don't want to spend a whole lot.07:23
soundmaster80it doesn't mirror your system but configures a virtual "prebuilt" system07:24
fignewEndler: newegg :)07:24
seishinbyouintelikey: Yes, this is true, as many a game of Diplomacy can attest to07:24
soundmaster80other than that directron.com07:24
igorintelikey: I don't know what I would do without your help07:24
ZaireIm running XP pro at the moment despite my previous statements but I have been having a hard time dual booting07:24
EndlerI think the cheapest they had there was $79.07:24
intelikeyigor follow someone else ???07:24
soundmaster80sometimes you can find it cheaper there but i've had wonderful luck with newegg support07:24
fignewEndler: for 6600?07:24
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soundmaster80well, up till now07:24
EndlerSaw one on comp USA for $39, but it was out of stock.07:24
EndlerFor good, I'm sure.07:24
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soundmaster80i refused a cisco router and have yet to be refunded for it07:25
EndlerYes, a 660007:25
soundmaster80*sniff* i wanted to keep it but i needed the $350 more07:25
xsachamaybe i coulda traded in my ati for that 6600 lol07:25
Zairemmmmm cisco routers lol07:25
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EndlerYeah, I've had nothing but good luck with newegg.07:25
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intelikeyalthough i do admit most in here would have dropped that hot potatoo long before it cooled off....07:25
soundmaster80dude, they are nice but this is much better www.pfsense.com07:25
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soundmaster80AH, i love that distro07:26
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xsachai think my onboard nvidia card would perform better than this ati :S07:26
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ZaireI would offer a store name or 2 but its canadian sites lol07:26
seishinbyouFine if you are in Canada, I guess07:26
Zaireyes yes I am lol07:26
fignewpfsense is good, been using m0n0wall for the past few years07:26
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soundmaster80much better than m0n0wall07:26
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fignewsoundmaster80: on a soekris?07:27
ZaireI got my board and proc for 315 bux07:27
fignewm0n0wall is 10x better on a soekris07:27
fignewbecause pfsense prob. won't even run ;)07:27
soundmaster80they have a embedded version07:28
soundmaster80however i'll show you what i use for routers...brb07:28
soundmaster80well, it is a breakoff of m0n0wall07:28
soundmaster80course you probably knew that07:28
Zairelol Ive got BW leechers on Azureus07:28
EndlerAnyone using a peer guardian type program?  I used to use it under windows, but don't think it's being supported under Linux any longer.  Think they were recommending moblock or something like that.07:28
intelikeyoh it's lunch time...  back in a bit.07:28
fignewyep, I've use both07:28
EndlerWhich are you using now?07:29
ZaireIm seeding the edgy DVD right now lol07:29
soundmaster80hmm....my dns server must have started screwing up07:29
soundmaster80webpages aren't loading07:29
fignewpfsense ;)07:29
soundmaster80that's what i use for routers07:30
xsachasoundmaster80: -- work?07:30
soundmaster80lol....actually right now i have a flashed buffalo with DD_WRT07:30
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ZaireI use Linksys prefferably07:30
soundmaster80had to move my router to ubuntu server....waiting on one of these to come in to set it up again07:31
soundmaster80heck no....buffalo is just as good07:31
soundmaster80and cheap on newegg07:31
soundmaster80about $4007:31
fignewthe problem is I'm on a 100mbit link, so no embedded router can handle that speed07:31
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ZaireI would love one of those $3800 cisco network switch routers07:31
soundmaster80yeah, i go to arkansas state U. and we're getting net2 in the next few months07:32
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fignewthe only problem is finding server that are fast enough to fill up the whole pipe07:33
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soundmaster80anywho, on the router....i do contract work for a local set of libraries ...pfsense does exactly what they need where it would take a $1k cisco to come close07:33
EndlerThe problem with using an old computer as a firewall is all the electricity it burns.07:34
ZaireI can deff see that lol07:34
soundmaster80true, but i wouldn't think that one i showed would be a AC hog07:34
notechcisco is worth it though07:34
soundmaster80lol, maybe07:34
soundmaster80i do like cisco07:34
soundmaster80but i like pfsense more07:35
fignewcisco is way overpriced07:35
EndlerI do have computer I built esp to be  low power though.  C3 chip with passive cooling and a notebook drive.07:35
Zaireit was kinda funny when me and my friends went to the last Lan party here the 3 of them turned there computers on and threw a breaker lol07:35
notechi love my cisco router and switch07:35
soundmaster80and the licensing that goes with them totally blows chunks07:35
fignewEndler: I'm really big into silent computing07:35
fignewex. I have a laptop HD in my desktop :-O07:36
soundmaster80lol, it's funny...i have a cisco sitting right beside this buffalo and its not even plugged up07:36
Zaireanyone know of any good cheap water kits cause my computer sounds like its about to take off lol07:36
EndlerI used to use Compatible Systems VPN.  When Cisco bought them out they rebadged them and trippled the price :)07:36
soundmaster80fignew, i've been wishing for sometime to build a silent pc07:36
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soundmaster80something passively cooled07:36
pc22 need to use internet explorer and i got it using ie4linux but i cant use activex07:36
EndlerYup, quite is good.07:36
soundmaster80www.codeweavers.com is all i can tell you pc2207:37
soundmaster80it's been the best for me at installling IE07:37
pc22checking now07:37
soundmaster80pc22, question07:37
Endlerie4linux worked really well for me.07:37
soundmaster80have you thought about vmware player and XP07:37
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notechthe majority of the time the fans don't need to be running full speed. buy a device to control the fan speeds, that'll make it alot quieter07:38
soundmaster80<---is possibly dumb with wine though07:38
pc22yeah but i thought if i can make it work07:38
fignewZaire: watercooling is sorta pointless07:38
fignewbecause you still have fans :/07:38
Zaireunless you get a Zalman07:38
Zairebut the res on thats a beast07:38
fignewbut those are insane07:38
soundmaster80true, i like vmware however...relives all problems with MS stuff :)07:38
EndlerI couldn't get ubuntu server to run on the C3.  Works fine with Centos though.07:39
Zairemy system seriously sounds like its ready to take off lol07:39
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fignewZaire: Check out the Scythe ninja07:39
Zairehmmm wher can I find it07:39
fignewgoogle :/07:39
EndlerMight change the Centos box to the new Oracle Unbreakable though.  Seem to fit the same purpose.07:40
fignewmy heatsink is so big, I can't put the side panel on :(07:40
soundmaster80UGH, let us not speak of that name07:40
xsachai just have the heatsink and fan on my cpu.. nothing else.. runs at room temperature07:40
pc22soundmaster80, its not free?07:40
xsachastock ones07:40
soundmaster80i'm not sure....but i don't like what they have done07:40
ZaireI use mysql07:40
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soundmaster80no, pc22 it's not free however it's wine highly configured07:41
fignewxsacha: It's sorta funny, my CPU temp is under ambient case temp with running idle07:41
soundmaster80the beta is free to see if it will do what you want07:41
Zairemysql isn't bad once you get it all setup I just don't like how phpmyadmin leave root login wide open with no password07:41
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soundmaster80that's why i suggested vmware player...it is free :)07:41
LynoureZaire: you do not need to use phpmyadmin unless you want to07:42
soundmaster80forgive me for breaking the code and suggesting paid software, LOL07:42
Zaireonce I got my normal account setup with the privs I needed I deleted the root users07:42
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soundmaster80anywho, no i'm not sure i like this whole Oracle cutting RH's throat07:42
xsachai use vmware workstation07:42
EndlerHmm, maybe I won't.  I thought it was going to be free.07:42
LynoureIt makes some things graphical, cute and easy, but it's not a necessary piece of mysql management software07:43
soundmaster80centos and those types are one thing but oracle could have handled it different07:43
Zairephpmyadmin is so much easier for setting up DB's and whatnot though07:43
flaccidi've been using pma for the last 4 hours07:43
EndlerMaybe they should have just bought out RH.07:44
soundmaster80honestly i was thinking about that07:44
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soundmaster80or i mean something07:45
soundmaster80i can't keep looking at it like big company took advantage of little company to boost big company's sales at the possible destruction of little company07:46
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soundmaster80you know there could have been some deal worked out to benefit both07:46
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EndlerDon't get me  wrong, I'm not a big fan of mergers at all.  I was just thinking from Oracle's perspective.07:47
soundmaster80lol, is there no comment....come on people07:47
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soundmaster80well, i understand oracle's perspective but there seems to be nothing at all benefical for RH. and honestly it doesn't serve any purpose for RH to go under07:48
soundmaster80unless oracle is wanting to break them to buy them at a smaller price07:48
soundmaster80but then that's crappy too07:48
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Zairepersonally I don't care about Red Hat cause since Ive used both debian and debian based OS's like kubuntu I find that RH is crap07:49
EndlerWell, half the CEO's are sociopaths, so I doubt ethics entered into the equation. :)07:49
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soundmaster80i do too endler....and i find RH as not the greatest too, however it has done a great deal to benefit linux and i hate to throw it out in the cold so to speak07:50
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ZaireI mean I used to like Rh and it was all I used before but there is so much more you can get from debian based OS's that isnt offered by rh07:50
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manchickenHowdy folks.07:50
manchickenAny fwcutter Broadcom users about?07:51
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CVirusmanchicken: what is your Broadcom chip model ?07:51
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EndlerYou don't want to do a lot of cool new things on servers, Zaire.  You just want them to be rock solid and boring.07:51
manchicken4318 is it?  I'll check.07:52
manchickenyeah, 431807:52
soundmaster80lol, again i agree with you both07:52
soundmaster80personally i just dispise RPM's07:52
manchickenI've heard rumors that it's not worth the trouble.07:52
CVirusmanchicken: there are tons of articles about how to get it working07:52
Zairewell my server is running dapper and Ive had no probs so far07:52
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs07:52
manchickenCVirus: I hear that you have to hard-limit throughput to 11mbps07:52
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soundmaster80but, as much as i have enjoyed the conversations tonight, i have to go to bed. Good night my friends :-)07:52
CVirusmanchicken: some report its working07:52
EndlerWell, for a personal server, you can be adventurous.07:53
manchickenI may just try to get driverloader working.07:53
manchickenI had it working on openSuSE, it can't be that hard to get it working on Kubuntu.07:53
manchickenYou guys seem to have thought of everything else.07:53
ZaireIts not just a personaly server its a dev server for my business07:53
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CVirusmanchicken: it worked before ? then it will work with Kubuntu07:53
manchickenCVirus: The .deb they're distributing doesn't seem to like my x86-64 arch.07:54
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manchickenThe RPMs didn't seem to have the same problem.07:54
EndlerWell, still small scale.07:54
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ZaireI found kubuntu to be the easiest setup for server software07:55
EndlerI'm sure it's great for a small business.07:55
manchickenSo here's a question... since (x|k)?ubuntu has so many(3) different ways of doing things, are all of the packages 100% compatible?07:56
seishinbyouAll the server goats here tend to be Debian except for the ancient clients that insist on Redhat and nothing else07:56
intelikeymanchicken it's all ubuntu07:56
ninoI love Kubutu using it as my surveilance server!!07:57
Zairewhats the diff honestly between RH, Suse and ubuntu series when dealing with servers07:57
CVirusmanchicken: http://kevinsbest.blogspot.com/2006/04/got-it-broadcom-4318-wireless.html07:57
CVirusmanchicken: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197102&highlight=ndiswrapper+howto07:57
pc22soundmaster80, do i need to install antivirus in vmware?07:57
manchickenintelikey: Okay, so this is Kubuntu Edge... what does that map to with the other ubuntu tags (e.g. dapper)07:58
CVirusmanchicken: the forums seem to be down now07:58
EndlerWell, Ubuntu claims to be commited to support LTS  versions for five years on the server end, so that's a good thing--no forced upgrades just to get security patches.07:58
soundmaster80i don't think so07:58
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CVirusmanchicken: by the way ... if you have a Bluetooth button .. dont forget to turn it on while testing the card07:58
soundmaster80do some research i think there is a way to prevent changes on the machine07:58
intelikeymanchicken *buntu edfy is ubuntu edgy07:58
soundmaster80like when you shut down it will lose changes07:59
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soundmaster80i would do that if all your doing is browsing07:59
Zairewell I have to ask questions like this cause Im starting a web hosting business07:59
soundmaster80but, again, i'm going to bed pc22. if you have anymore questions i'm sure they can help you here07:59
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pc22thanks soundmaster80 nighty08:00
EndlerIf you're starting from scratch, Ubuntu servers will prob work well.  You don't have any migration issues to worry about.08:00
seishinbyouZaire> Some have unique methods of handlilng startup scripts, some have different was of managing software, etc.08:00
seishinbyouI honestly don't worry about it too much, but the head sysadmin here could go into great boring lengths I'm sure08:01
intelikeymanchicken all that changes is the wm/de  but you can install ubuntu-server ubuntu xubuntu kubuntu or if there be any other flavour  it's still ubuntu and is still installing the same packages form the same archives/repos   the repos don't change because you install a certen desktop environment.....08:01
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Zairewell so long as my security is gonna be the same more or less across the board thats one of my main concerns08:02
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EndlerHey, does anyone here use Kmail with IMAP?  I've never tried it because the the critical data loss bug that's been open for over a year.08:02
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EndlerLooks like they may have finally fixed it now, but I don't think the patch is in Kubuntu yet.08:03
seaLnei've not had any problems using kmail and imap08:04
EndlerYou've been lucky then.  :)  They had some really bad code in there where they were just ignoring return codes.08:04
EndlerIt's possible for it to delete all your mail off the server.08:05
seaLnei've been using it for years, the only problem a while ago was overlapping password prompts because i have 3 imap accounts :)08:05
intelikeythat could be handy Endler08:05
Zairemy answer is thunderbirs lol08:05
ZaireI use thunderbird for all my mail08:06
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EndlerYeah, Thunderbird is good, but I kind of wanted to try Kontact and it only integrates  with Kmail.08:06
EndlerThunderbird 2.0 should be out soon.08:06
Zairethat will be nice08:06
EndlerI thought they'd release it with Firefox 2.0.08:07
manchickenOkay, so I've got GCC 4.1.2 installed, but build-essential wants to install gcc-3.4.  You think there will be conflicts?08:07
ZaireIm deff liking having my own mail server to lol08:07
manchickenI'm stupid.  Kindly disregard.08:07
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ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)08:08
ubotuYou can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!08:08
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu08:08
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EndlerI just had to compile orinoco_usb from SVN because there is no package for it.08:08
EndlerIt acutually works well though--just doesn't support WPA.08:09
EndlerIt'll have to be recompiled with every kernel update though.08:10
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seishinbyouEndler: I have Kmail running now with IMAP08:13
Zairewell I gtg have to burn the edgy dvd and prep my computer for a format and dual boot08:13
seishinbyouI use it because it picks up MSN Meeting invitations and applies them to KSchedule08:13
EndlerGoodnight and good luck.  :)08:14
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VanessaEgood evening all.08:14
VanessaEIs there any way to force the installer to NOT reformat my root fs?  It insists I have to, and I definitely do not want to lose what's already there.08:15
VanessaEhey intel.08:15
AyabaraI have a problem with amarok. When I build my collection my computer freezes (Dell Inspiron 6000). The good people of #amarok haven't heard of this and can't understand why. Any kubuntu'ers having similar problems?08:16
VanessaEeh, I should say, the installer on the edgy livecd. :)08:16
manchickenI think I have to reboot for this to take place.  brb.08:16
intelikeyVanessaE not the installed in the gui.   with the one on the alternate it can be done but is no picnic08:16
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EndlerMight want to check that out.   I'll try Kmail when I know it has that new patch applied.08:16
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intelikeyVanessaE and before you rant.   i agree 100%  there should be an option....08:17
inteliwasper... has anyone noticed that the kubuntu website is down?08:17
intelikeybut there isn't.08:17
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VanessaEworks for me, wasp.08:18
EndlerI was scratching my head about that too.  Why is reformat of / required?08:18
inteliwaspand that the alternate mirrors for 6.06 are N/A?08:18
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EndlerI frowned at that.08:18
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EndlerAlso though reformat of 1st partition (often a window partition) is a stupid default.08:19
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inteliwaspi wonder if my isp has a bad route...08:20
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EndlerI usually set up all the partitions just the way I want them with a GParted LiveCD before doing any installs, so I never need  to format anything from the installer.08:21
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xsachajust use fdisk? :)08:21
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EndlerYeah, you can do that, but Gparted is a lot nicer.08:22
inteliwaspis there a direct download(ie: not torrent) for the 6.06 DVD?08:22
intelikeyEndler cfdisk08:22
xsachabut you have to boot into live cd.. gui to get to it :S08:22
xsachathat sucks08:22
sparrWhat major commercial game titles are coming out for linux in the 'near' future, other than ET:QW and Savage2?08:22
abattoirinteliwasp: look at the last section of http://kubuntu.org/download.php08:23
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EndlerWell, I often  do a lot of tweaking and adusting, so it's a lot nice to use Gparted.08:23
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inteliwaspabattoir, er... i cant get to the site... no route08:23
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xsachai also do a lot of tweaking and adjusting but always find the cli easier :S08:23
inteliwaspabattoir, if you can pull the link, that would be nice08:23
abattoirinteliwasp: works here... there is a US mirror and a UK one, which do you want?08:24
inteliwaspabattoir, US08:24
xsachathe cli shouldnt be easier though08:24
sparroh, and UT200708:24
abattoirinteliwasp: http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/kubuntu/6.06.1/release.1/08:24
VanessaEwhat should I be aware of that differs between the alternate CD and the 'desktop' version I'm booted with now?  As far as what gets installed, that is..08:24
Endlerthen you have to remember all the commands and syntaxes for resizing, moving partitions, etc.08:24
Endlerwith each filesystem08:25
inteliwaspabattoir, many thanks08:25
CyronDue to the size of this channel, I've disabled join and part notifications in Konversation.  Is it possible for my to instead stop the nicklist from sorting alphabetically, so it shows the users in the order they joined the channel?08:25
abattoirinteliwasp: you're welcome :)08:25
xsachait's same syntax for all endler :P08:25
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pc22anyone using ies4linux now?08:25
xsachaand it's just one keypress in cli endler08:26
momalis it possible to use cedega for free if self compiled?08:26
abattoirCyron: not that i'm aware of, people in #konversation might know though08:26
sparrmomal: yes, but its missing some features08:26
CyronI may just go and ask them, thanks abattoir :)08:26
Endlerto resize ntfs, xfs, ext3 partitions?08:26
abattoirCyron: no problem08:26
xsachayou change size and then make fs after08:26
EndlerI mean for partitions with data on them.08:27
xsachaso do i08:27
momalsparr: what features?08:27
xsachayou delete the partition, make it again bigger size, makereiserfs08:27
sparrmomal: anti copy protection stuff.  dunno what else08:27
xsachad, n08:27
EndlerYou delete the partition with data on it? and then create a new one around it?08:28
EndlerSounds scary.08:28
xsachayou're writing to the MBR, not the actual disk08:28
xsachanot the physical data08:28
xsachai mean partitiont table*08:29
intelikey<xsacha> you're writing to the MBR, not the actual disk <---- heh08:29
EndlerI know, but you could still screw it up.08:29
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xsachathen you just change it back :P08:29
draikwould it make much of a difference if I downloaded the 6.10 CD over the 6.10 DVD?08:29
EndlerI'd need an iron stomach. :)08:29
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xsachawhat i mean is you're not actually changing the data of the partitions08:30
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xsachaif you delete the partition, the data that was in it will still be there :)08:30
EndlerWhat about shrinking then were some of the data is  at the far end of the partition?08:30
xsachayes :)08:30
xsachagoes into free space08:31
draikIs Kubuntu.org down or just me?08:31
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abattoirdraik: someone else was complaining too08:31
abattoirdraik: works fine for me though08:31
draikabattoir, sorry. I just checked in08:31
EndlerYou into bungy jumping too, xsacha? ;)08:32
xsachaendler: what risk is there? i dont get it..08:32
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intelikeywhat if you don't have a partition table ?08:32
draikabattoir, what would I be missing out on if I went with a CD upgrade rather than a DVD or web?08:33
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abattoirdraik: a 'cd upgrade' ? you mean you plan to add the cd as a repo using apt-cdrom?08:33
EndlerI see a whole lot more downside than upside doing it that way just to avoid a couple minutes boot time.  Glad it works for you though.08:33
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draikabattoir, sorry, I meant as upgrading to Edgy Eft from CD over DVD or web08:34
xsachait's faster, easier and far easier to recover the data if you messed something up because you remember the boundaries08:34
abattoirdraik: oh, you mean a fresh installation, rather than upgrading from dapper to edgy?08:34
draikabattoir: I want to upgrade from dapper to edgy. Can it be done via CD/DVD? or is it strictly web?08:35
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xsachai dont see any downside yet...08:35
EndlerWell, speed is not much of an issue to me because it's not  something that need to be done on a frequent basis.08:35
abattoirdraik: yeah, you can add the edgy cd/dvd as a repository, and then upgrade08:35
draikHow do I add the cd/dvd as a repo?08:36
fignewis kubuntu.org down for anyone else?08:36
abattoirdraik: try 'man apt-cdrom' that should explain the procedure08:36
draikfignew, it is for me08:36
draikthank you abattoir08:36
intelikeydraik a clean install from cd/dvd is a good way.   probably the best.   if you have a seperate partition with your $HOME on it  it can be left intact08:36
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EndlerIt popped right up for me--really fast.08:37
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ubotulamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.08:37
draikintelikey: I didn't think it all through when I first went into this. I put everything on one partition08:37
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intelikeycommon mistake....08:38
xsachaendler: it seems you just don't know how things are done behind the scenes -- your gui uses the same method as its backend -- the backend may scare you but the frontend is doing the same thing08:38
xsachaand there's nothing to be afraid of :P08:38
EndlerAm I missing something?  I don't see tuxracer in the repos.08:38
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fignewEndler: the kubuntu website?08:38
VanessaEit's ppracer now, endler.08:39
xsachaplanet penguin.. ?08:39
EndlerWell, that's just it.  I have a basic understanding, but would want to know it inside and out before doing it they way you do.08:39
EndlerAh, OK.  Why the name change?08:40
VanessaEbecause they forked commercial <-> free08:40
intelikeyi'll bet nobody here can get grub to boot this installation of kubuntu08:40
VanessaEthe commercial version kept the tuxracer name.08:40
xsachai couldnt intelikey :P "Grub Loading" so i used lilo08:40
draikintelikey: why do you say that?08:41
intelikeyxsacha yeah i have to use lilo too08:41
xsachait didnt like my main partition08:41
intelikeydraik cause it wont work08:41
draikGRUB is gone in edgy?08:41
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intelikeydraik no.   i don't have a partition08:42
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ubotulamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.08:42
draikWhat does PHP stand for?08:43
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seishinbyoubecause it can't sit down?08:43
xsachahypertext preprocessor08:43
xsachafirst p is php08:43
draikxsacha: Thank you08:44
intelikeyrecursive acronymn08:44
xsachajust like wine and others08:44
intelikeylike wine is wine is not an emulator08:45
xsachaGNU :P08:45
draikI love those recursive acronyms... WINE, GNU, PHP08:45
EndlerYou wouldn't happend to be using XFS, would you?  Grub still has problems with XFS.08:45
|lostbyte|:P pre hypertext processor.08:45
vgenope, it's PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor08:45
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ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs08:46
xsachaEndler: reiserfs08:46
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royceInstalling applications on linux is so hard for new users like me... I'm going insane....08:47
intelikeyEndler ext2 here08:47
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EndlerI used to use XFS, but got tired of it zero writing data file after a dirty shutdown.08:47
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VanessaEEndler: I've heard people complain of reiser and ext3 doing the same08:47
EndlerExt3 has been rock solid no matter how dirty the shutdown.08:47
xsachamy reiser hasn't failed me yet, but i've heard a lot of complaints :S08:48
draikEdgy cd download in under 6 hours... DVD is 160 Days +08:48
intelikeyext2 has never given me any trouble     'if it aint broke, dont fix it'08:48
Mike2k6draik: you on dial up?08:48
royceWill someone tell me one thing... I cannot get downloaded themes to run on Ubuntu. I'm not even sure what sort of theme it uses. I'm guessing something related to Gnome..?08:48
draikMike2k6: Nope. Cable. Sux. DVD won't download at all08:48
VanessaEI used to have a problem with reiser causing the system to outright stall for several seconds at a time, but that was a few years ago08:49
xsachadraik: my ISP hosts all linux distros for me -- 1MB/s (my max) no matter what :P i think they let anyone d/l them, could check it out08:49
Endlerreiser failed for my mail privider and I was out mail almost a week, so I was gunshy of that.08:49
Mike2k6draik: Use a different mirrior, it only took me 20 mins to download max.08:49
EndlerAnd now the dev is probably going to jail for life.08:49
Mike2k6xsacha: sup sup!08:49
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xsachahi mike08:49
draikxsacha: what's your site?08:49
xsachadraik: files.bigpond.com/latestfiles.php08:50
draikMike2k6: What other mirror?08:50
royceDo any of you kind souls know how to install downloaded themes on Ubuntu.08:50
xsachaoops, http://files.bigpond.com/library/latestfiles.php08:50
Mike2k6draik: let me locate it for you08:50
momalxsacha: are you with tesltra?08:50
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VanessaEWell these days I avoid reiser not because of the author's legal problem but because of his attitude08:50
draikxsacha: I got a 40408:50
xsachayes :( but atleast they give me these distros lol08:50
xsachayeah try second link draik08:50
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draikgot it... sorry about that08:50
momalwe are both with a sad isp :(08:51
draikxsacha: ^08:51
EndlerOne good thing about XFS is that is scales like crazy--you can have astronomically huge file systems.08:51
royce*WIthers away into the void of confusion that is installing downloaded ubuntu gnome themes08:51
VanessaEI liked XFS, but I also got nailed a couple of times by zeroed-out blocks08:51
Mike2k6draik:  let me know if it works out for you, if not ill get ya a better mirrior08:51
eilkerhi, i installed apache2 and php5, now which mysql packet must i install ?08:51
manchicken_Okay, this automated  ndiswrapper setup thing says that 2.6.17-10-generic in x86-64 is incompatible.08:52
draikxsacha: I have to become a member???08:52
manchicken_Has anybody gotten ndiswrapper working in 64-bit with edgy on that kernel?08:52
EndlerYeah, I got tabbed about three time, and then figured out the it was the reason I could never get Grub to install too, so that was it for me.08:52
xsachadraik: shouldnt have to? i havent logged in to d/l anything08:52
royceAnyone know of a good (or any at all) Gnome Theme chat room where I can ask how to Install a Gnome theme.08:52
momaldraik: you will only beable to dwonload from there if you are signed up with bigpond adsl or cable08:52
xsachait must check your IP or something :S08:52
draikI don't have them as my ISP08:53
eilkeranyone can help for lammp ?08:53
xsachao well :(08:53
Mike2k6its giving me time outs on kubuntu servers :-(08:53
draikMike2k6: what's your mirror?08:53
intelikeyroyce checked #ubuntu ?08:53
Mike2k6draik: im having trouble locating it because the server seems to be down08:53
draikMike2k6: I have gone through those mirrors. Thanks08:54
draikThank you Mike2k6 and xsacha08:54
xsachawell i have one reason to thank my ISP, lol08:54
roycewoohoo i'll check #ubuntu, thanks intelikey08:54
xsachabut other than that, they suck08:54
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manchicken_Has anybody gotten ndiswrapper running on 2.6.17-10-generic?08:55
EndlerIt like this group.  First time in today, but you seem like a friendly bunch.  :)  Not so over at #ubuntu?08:55
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Mike2k6draik: one of the mirriors will let you download at about 300-500kb/s08:56
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artefact2i have a little problem, can you help me ? my internet connection doesn't connect automatically when i boot... (wifi)08:56
intelikeyEndler well thank ya08:56
draikMike2k6: cd or dvd?08:56
Mike2k6draik: cd08:56
ubotulamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.08:56
VanessaE...I'm getting the max my DSL can pull (~350 KB/sec) from carroll.csc.psu.edu08:56
intelikey!wifi | artefact208:57
ubotuartefact2: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs08:57
EndlerI'd better get to bed  tough.  Goodnight everyone.08:57
draikMike2k6: I'm ~ 35Kbps08:57
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artefact2ubotu > thx :)08:57
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about thx :) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:57
VanessaEer....   .cac.08:57
eilkerpls help me for mysql....08:57
ubuntuhey guysi have a question08:57
xsacha!info lamp > eilker08:57
intelikeyeilker did you check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP ??08:57
ubotuPackage lamp does not exist in any distro I know08:57
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ubuntuI am running the live CD and i am trying to run firefox ( install) but i cant. is it because im running the live CD?08:58
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eilkerintelikey: yes i checked, but i didnt understand how to install my sql08:58
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nickstehow do I check if Xgl is installed properly?08:58
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eilkerxsacha:  i installed apache2 and php5, now which mysql packet must i install ?08:59
intelikeyoh   sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client   eilker08:59
Admiral_Chicagonickste: have you asked in #ubuntu-xgl ?08:59
draikOne would think that with 268 seeds a download would go by pretty quick.... wrong!08:59
NOOBIf I am running the live CD can i still download firefox? its a .QZ file???09:00
xsachanickste: try Xgl :1 -br -ac -screen 1024x768 -accel xv:pbuffer -accel glx:buffer09:00
intelikeyeilker you may also want    php5-mysqli09:00
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xsachaif that opens a window, it's all good09:00
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intelikeyerrr is that dapper or edgy ?09:01
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nicksteAdmiral: nope, sorry will do :)09:01
nickstethanks xsacha09:01
intelikey!info php5-mysqli edgy09:01
ubotuphp5-mysqli: MySQL Improved module for php5. In component main, is optional. Version 5.1.6-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 38 kB, installed size 164 kB09:01
eilker<intelikey> : it is 6.0609:02
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Mike2k6xsacha: do you have a linksys router?09:02
intelikeynm it's the same.09:02
xsachano :( d-link09:02
eilkerxsacha:  i installed  php5, do i need php5-mysql too ?09:02
eilkerintelikey:  i installed  php5, do i need php5-mysql too ?09:02
eilkerxsacha: sorry i would write to intellikey09:03
intelikeyneed is not applicable,  do you want it is the question.09:03
xsachai think he wants mysql...09:03
intelikeydone pointed him at that xsacha09:04
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xsachaoh :P09:04
intelikeyserver and client09:04
draikwell, I am going to wait out the 5.5 hours for the CD and see if I can ever get the DVD some other time09:04
draikThank you all for your help09:04
eilkerintelikey: in fact,  i have no idea about php, i wanna install the lamp and see what is going on, so that i dont know what should i want :(09:04
NOOB<red>I need Hep with this Question. Can i download stuff even if im using teh live CD only Please Mrivate message me. I HAVE NO IDEA IM NEW. AND I WANNA GET FIREFOX09:04
intelikeyeilker then yes install php5-mysqli also09:05
xsachalivecd should work just like as if it were installed but slower -- how much ram do you have :P NOOB?09:05
intelikeyphp5-mysqli - MySQL Improved module for php509:05
Mike2k6xsacha: 1GB ddr400 corsair xms09:05
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xsachayou can install stuff, but as soon as you restart comp, it's good09:06
CyronFirefox is installed by default...09:06
Mike2k6NOOB: being on the live cd you really cant install anything, the operating system works soooo much better when installed, trust me i recently ditched windows for kubuntu09:06
VanessaENoob, please don't type in all caps09:06
ubotuPLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.09:06
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about porn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:07
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linuxmigrationNOOB: you are demonstrating you're noobishness.  not really necessary ;)09:07
NOOBthx ... yeah its only my first few days using it09:07
Mike2k6ubotu: lier.09:07
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about lier. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:07
NOOBand im giving it a try .. i love it so far .. very nice atmosphere09:07
VanessaEwhen you boot from the 'desktop' CD it created a sort of fake install - everything runs from RAM and/or the CD, so there's no hard drive to install to. Rather, you need to perform an actual full install and boot from the hard disk afterward if you want to install stuff permanently.09:07
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Mike2k6NOOB: try a debian package09:08
NOOBokay i get your point guys thank you soo much09:08
xsacha!pr0n -iacknowledgethatyouarenotabot > xsacha09:08
NOOBi will install as soon as i get to know it better.. i love it so far ..... two thumbs up for open source09:08
Mike2k6xsacha: in ms dos there was the netstat command where i could view my ip, like the one the router gives me, is the a cmd like that in console?09:08
xsachanetstat ?09:09
Mike2k6NOOB: what ver of win  you running?09:09
vgestupid question, but should phpmyadmin work with php5?09:09
VanessaEmike: you could use netstat or ifconfig09:09
NOOBwin xp pro sp209:09
intelikeyopen source ????     is there anything else ????09:09
xsachaMike2k6: netstat is also in linux :P09:09
eilkerintelikey:  do we have in kubuntu sth aoutomatic installs lamp ? because it gives errors09:09
Mike2k6gotta love linux09:09
VanessaEthank G-D (or Linus :P ) for Open Source :)09:09
NOOByeah .. win xp sucks after a while i need a change09:09
intelikey!repos | eilker09:10
ubotueilker: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu09:10
VanessaEok, off I go to kill my box :)09:10
VanessaE(rebooting with this 'alternate' CD)09:10
linuxmigrationMike2k6:  you don't use netstat for that anyway.09:10
intelikeyeilker i suspect that you have not setup your repos (sources.list)09:10
NOOByes thx for linux .. i hope more software writters will start concedering linux .. anyhow guys thx 4 ur support09:10
Mike2k6NOOB: i just came from winxp pro sp209:10
linuxmigrationMike2k6: ipconfig/all09:10
linuxmigrationMike2k6: ifconfig -a in linux09:11
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Mike2k6linuxmigration: in windows i used it for that :-p , but thanks09:11
NOOBhey mike .. yeah .... :) well i used win most of my life09:11
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NOOBhad apple for a yeah .. and didnt liek it09:11
linuxmigrationMike2k6: well, you should have been using ipconfig ;)09:11
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NOOBnow im all linux09:11
Mike2k6NOOB: yeah ive only known windows before this09:11
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Mike2k6linuxmigration: a linux wiz tryin to tell me how to use win lol09:12
linuxmigrationMike2k6: well, it's true ;)09:12
Mike2k6NOOB: yeah, linux is cool, less spyware issues, less virus issues, thats the main thing that attracted me, besides the more stable platform09:12
linuxmigrationhow about *none*?09:13
intelikeyless virus issues   lol09:13
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NOOBMike yup .... sam ething here ..... I always have to buy a new software to protect my pc.. i ended up spending more on software than teh computer itself09:13
Mike2k6NOOB: i always just downloaded my software off torrents.09:13
Mike2k6NOOB: even my winxp sp 2 was a pirate09:14
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NOOByes .. i do too. but the ones i cant find off torrent.09:14
intelikeythere are actually virii that affect linux      if i recall correctly there have been five of them.09:14
Mike2k6NOOB: yeah, besides all your system resources get either used up b A. Spyware/09:14
Mike2k6NOOB:  or B. Spyware protectors09:14
NOOBlol.... hahaha yeah im into torents .. does linux support torrents too?09:14
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Mike2k6NOOB: alot more than windows lol09:15
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intelikeyNOOB linuc invented torrents09:15
xsachai never had spyware or virus issues on windows, problem was it wasnt customisable enough09:15
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Mike2k6xsacha: you know you have a problem when you load windows and have 57 processes running at startup09:15
xsachayeah my windows never had above 4009:16
NOOBokay okay .. good to know ... i cant live without them. yeah with wndows i had an issue with crashes.. i couldnt keep my pc up for more than 2 days.. otherwise teh system would go slow09:16
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xsachaonly thing in startup was ati09:16
Mike2k6xsacha: if your not running any programs like a antivirus or anything then you should only have 18-20 :-p09:16
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xsachai never used antivirus09:16
Mike2k6yeah well then you shoulda had nothing above 2209:16
xsacha18? naah09:16
Mike2k6yeah im serious, check it out, when you first install windows.09:17
xsachai have :P it's like 33 on fresh install09:17
intelikeymy linux never has above 22 processes running at boot time.09:17
Mike2k6well your install is corrupted then lol09:17
Mike2k6cause mine is like 18 at install09:17
xx2troubleanyone know about localisatuion.. i wanna thai desktop but thai-system is broken09:17
xsacha:S no way..09:17
Mike2k6swear to allah09:17
xsachacheck again lol09:17
xsachathere's 6 svchosts alone09:18
Mike2k6no, i ditched windoze remember09:18
manchicken_That's nice, I've got linuxant driverloader running, but it's not detecting anything.09:18
Mike2k6face it xsa you got porn included on your install09:18
intelikeyhut oh09:18
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NOOBaight guys it was a pleasure meeting y;all i gotta crash here in washigton its 12:18 am09:19
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Mike2k6NOOB: nice to meet ya09:19
xsachaon vista there's about ~48 on fresh install09:19
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NOOBu too mike it was great talking to ya .. i will be installing ubuntu.. during this week ... :) when iget to know ot better09:19
NOOBtc guys09:19
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Mike2k6it took me about 2 days to decide to full install linux over windows09:21
intelikeywhy so long ?09:21
Mike2k6i work long hours at dell09:21
Mike2k6didnt have much time09:22
intelikeyoh   ok09:22
Mike2k6that and a power outage09:22
Mike2k6whats a good port to open up for frostwire?09:22
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intelikey     !i09:24
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:25
Mike2k6frostwire wont connect :-(09:25
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nicksteDoes anyone have an xorg.conf for an ATI card that I can have a look at?09:26
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honzaI have a problem, I've compilled new kernel, 2.6.18, and it doesn't boot. It mounts /boot fine, but then it stops. I used the same config as before, and i'm sure i have the right drivers. I'm using kubuntu edgy. Any ideas please?09:26
intelikey"It mounts /boot fine,"   ???09:27
honzasorry, the boot partition is mounted09:28
Mike2k6can anyone help me with frostwire?09:28
intelikeybut grub mounted it.09:28
intelikeynot the kernel09:28
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intelikeyMike2k6 check in #ubuntu   if no one in here will answer09:29
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honzaIf the kernel wouldn't be there, it would say there is no kernel available, wouldn't it?09:29
intelikeyyeah  and ?09:30
ninoMIke ?09:30
honzaIt also says some things from the suspend2 patch, that i've applied...09:30
honzaAnd it doesn't...09:30
Mike2k6nino sup09:30
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ninook, what os are u running09:30
Mike2k6kubuntu edgy09:31
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honzaany idea where else should i look?09:32
intelikeyhonza maybe you are not understanding what i'm telling you.    your boot loader (probably grub) is what is responsable for mounting the partition containing the kernel  not the other way around if kernel is not mounting /  then that's what you need to focus on.09:32
ninogive me a moment09:32
intelikeyreguardless if the boot loader reads the kernel correctly or not.09:33
ninotry and run it on my Kubuntu09:33
Mike2k6my kubuntu?09:33
Mike2k6what do ya mean?09:33
ninoim installing it over here09:33
Mike2k6ah ok09:33
honzaI think so, it doesn't say any errors...09:33
intelikeyhonza you using an initramfs.img ?09:35
honzaintelikey: i don't think so, where should i find out?09:35
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intelikeyyou built the kernel... did you also mkinitramfs ?09:36
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honzano. But i've never make it before...09:36
intelikeyyou edited /boot/grub/menu.lst  did you mention an initramfs.img ?09:36
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honzaBut I never did before...09:37
ninojust hang in there mike09:37
honzaOn older versions...09:37
intelikeyok  try building an initramfs.img and adding it to the kernel line and see what it does.09:37
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honzahow should i do it? I need a little help with that...09:38
honzalamer, sorry :-)09:38
Mike2k6ive also noticed slower web browsing on kubuntu than windows09:38
ninomines not to bad, i use firefox, u?09:39
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intelikeysomething like     mkinitramfs [-d confdir]  [-k]  [-o outfile]  [-r root]  [version] 09:39
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ninokonqueror is slower, i agree09:40
intelikeythat is to say  mkinitramfs -o /boot/initramfs.img-2.6.18  2.6.18<possably the rest of the version string here>09:40
intelikeymay need sudo09:40
brucemQuestion from a Newbie: how do i find out, on a website e.g. www.ubuntu.com - what RSS feeds are available to subscribe to?09:40
ninodid you download the TAR or the ubuntu/debain file??09:40
ninofor frostwire09:41
ubotuelinks: advanced text-mode WWW browser. In component main, is optional. Version 0.11.1-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 593 kB, installed size 3316 kB09:41
Mike2k6the .deb09:41
Mike2k6had to install java09:41
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honzaintelikey: I have unblocked root, it's ok.09:42
ninook, im gonna grab the tarball09:42
intelikeyit's ok with me.09:42
brucemQuestion from a Newbie: how do i find out, on a website e.g. www.ubuntu.com - what RSS feeds are available to subscribe to?09:42
honzaSo the mkinitramfs worked good, no errors, what should i do next? add a line to menu.lst?09:43
ninoif it works then just go for that rather than stuff around fixing the deb09:43
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honzaand the line should be? initrd?09:43
ninommm java not for me09:43
intelikeyyou can look at the other kernel lines   the default is a good example09:43
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honzaso it is the initrd line?09:44
ehirdWhy isn't svn in the repos? :/09:44
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intelikeydont ask me for the specifics in grub  grub wont work on my system so i don't use it and am not very familear with it.09:44
brucemi am looking for a decent PIM (mail, calendar mostly) under Kubuntu - any suggestions?09:44
intelikeyhonza yes   like but point to the new file09:44
brucemis Kontact the best option? anything else decent out there?09:45
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honzaintelikey Thx, that should do it, I'll add the line and try to reboot...09:45
ninocheck freshmeat.net mabe youl find a nice little calander proggie09:45
intelikeythere is already a calender in the task bar09:46
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intelikeyno ?09:46
brucemhas anybody used a calendar under KDE that is decent? e.g. sync from online calendars etc09:46
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seishinbyouKontact did everything I needed it to, and Kmail will add appointment "invitations" from MSN calendar into Kontact09:47
brucemyes - but i mean an organiser where i can put appointments, reminders etc09:47
intelikeyi don't use one piriod.     cal   hehhe if i need to look at one.09:47
ubotukonsolekalendar: KDE konsole personal organizer. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 73 kB, installed size 276 kB09:47
seishinbyoubrucem: Again, have you looked at kontact?  I believe it was installed by default with edgy09:48
seishinbyouIt has appointments, todo, calendars, etc.09:48
brucemand the mail client under Kontact/ decent?09:49
intelikeyi think cal is installed by default also.....  :)09:49
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intelikeybrucem no  terrable09:50
intelikeyyou'll hate it.09:50
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intelikeybetter to use inbox in windows09:50
seishinbyouYou mean Outhouse Excess?09:51
ninomike do you run frostwire as root?09:51
sgiesshi all09:51
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xsachaand konversation in root ftw09:51
brucemi thought this room was supposed to be helpful... ;)09:51
intelikeybrucem where did you get that idea ?09:52
seishinbyouOoh, I get to yell at my subordinate again for this gem in his PHP code : system("rm -rf / $work_dir");09:52
seishinbyouThat's 2 strikes09:52
xsachai have to add something to kontact but not sure whether it should go in Calendar, To-do list or Journal.. or maybe Notes09:52
intelikeygo back to windows brucem09:52
brucemintellikey why so sarcastic?09:52
brucemi might go back to windows if the ubuntu community is this unhelpful09:52
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brucemi thought we were supposed to be encouraging people to convert?09:52
seishinbyouFor mail, you can use Evolution or Kmail or Thunderbird...whatever turns your crank09:53
xsachathey'll convert when they are ready09:53
intelikeyseishinbyou hehhe thats a good one...  tell him/her to run it as root09:53
intelikeyor set it suid09:53
seishinbyouintelikey: It's worse than you think; this is production code09:53
intelikeybrucem go.   go now.   don't try to play me.09:53
honzaIntelikey: Thank you a lot, it worked fine, i've other errors, but I can solve it myself. Thank you once more :-)09:54
xsachalol@ubuntu rss feed: http://zakame.spunge.org/blog/2006/11/01/my-kubuntu-edgy-upgrade-experience/09:54
intelikeyseishinbyou oh good lord09:54
xsacha"my kubuntu edgy upgrade experience"09:54
intelikeyhonza np anytime09:54
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ehirdTHE kubuntu edgy upgrade experience!!1109:55
brucemintelli: i honestly just want to get started in kubuntu - why all the aggression?09:55
xsachatarballs of iron09:56
brucemdid i break some etiquette rule?09:56
seishinbyoubrucem: Maybe he is just having a bad day?09:56
xsachathat's a good one: requirement to upgrade to edgy: tarballs of iron09:56
seishinbyouI'm kind of loopy myself right now, but I've been at the office for the past 11 hours09:56
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brucemseishinbyou: yes, but you don't get rude because of it09:57
zorglu_q. justthis morning i got a 'yahoo password is wrong' from kopete, but my yahoo password has not changed and was working for several months... is it a known problem ?09:57
intelikeybrucem because you are just trolling the channel.  this channel is for help  you have not asked one question that will actually help you or anyone else.  if you want to look at screen shoots or read doce we can point you to them but what you've been doing and the "i'll go back to windows" wanna be threat is non-sense.09:57
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Electrolytehttp://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=10434.0 <-- I posted the k3d bug, it appears someone else has it.09:58
ElectrolyteSounds like it's a broken package.09:58
T3hWiz0rdthis place is so quiet.09:58
T3hWiz0rdits scary.09:58
brucemme finding a decent PIM under kubuntu will help me, promise...09:58
xsachazorglu_: it works in other IM programs?09:58
T3hWiz0rdare there any new nvidia updates for kubuntu?09:58
brucemwhy is that such a bad question?09:58
xsachawhat's a PIM?09:58
zorglu_xsacha: i havnt tried any other im programms09:59
brucemPersonal Info Manager: mail, calendar, RSS etc09:59
ElectrolyteOh, ATI released their new driver today for Windows *AND* Linux.09:59
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intelikeybrucem  so install kubuntu and look at the default.  if you don't like it then ask for alternatives.   don't just troll the channel.09:59
zorglu_brucem: there is 'kontact' for that09:59
xsachabrucem: we arleady told you:09:59
xsachakontact does all of them09:59
zorglu_!info kontact09:59
ubotukontact: KDE pim application. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1574 kB, installed size 3400 kB09:59
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brucemthat's exactly what i did - asked for alternatives... i said "i tried kontact... any other decent ones?"10:00
zorglu_brucem: nope10:00
intelikeybrucem evolution10:00
intelikeyinstall it and run it.10:00
ninotry freshmeat.net for more!!10:00
brucemjust because it exists doesn't mean it is decent... that's what i'm asking - anybody been impressed with a certain PIM10:00
xsachabrucem: most of us just use the default or none at all..10:01
zorglu_brucem: decent doesnt mean anything10:01
xsachaif you want, searching for one is best.. it's personal preference which one is decent10:01
zorglu_brucem: try kontact and evolution, and decide yourself if you find them decent10:01
intelikeyok i tried nice, i tried hostile now i'll try ignore.10:01
brucemyes, thanks, evolution is something i can try too. i didn't know that before. so thanks for the help10:02
intelikeycongrats brucem you are the first one in this channel i have ever had to ignore.10:02
ElectrolyteIs it me or does the webpage for the ATI fglrx driver improved?10:02
xsachasomeone suggested evolution a while back brucem..10:02
brucemum intelli u forgot to ignore me10:02
ElectrolyteSince AMD has changed the website.10:02
zorglu_ok nobody else experienced issue with yahoo password thru kopete ?10:02
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xsachaElectrolyte: i think it got worse :S10:02
ElectrolyteTheir sodding javascript keeps throwing Konq into a fit :/10:02
xsachahmm konq hasnt given me that, what version/10:03
intelikeyyou can kick javascript for that site.... i think10:03
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brucemintellikey i really mean no harm. i apologise if i offended u10:04
ElectrolyteIt keeps locking up then saying "A script on this site is causing to be unresponsive" error.10:04
ElectrolyteI've got
xsachahmm me too10:04
ElectrolyteEventually it gets out of it10:04
Mike2k6anyone here play MuD's?10:04
intelikeyactually i never tried to set it to only not/work on certin sites10:04
ElectrolyteBut it's strange that ATI release a Linux driver at the exact same time as 6.10 for Windows.10:04
ElectrolyteDoes this mean AMD have improved it?10:04
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intelikeyElectrolyte check the version ?10:05
ElectrolyteYou can download either the installed, the X11 version or X.Org version :/10:05
Electrolytethe installer*10:05
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ninoMIke2k6 does not look like frostwire runs on Kubuntu  http://www.frostwire.com/?module=faq#com410:06
ElectrolyteReleased yesterday.10:06
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intelikeythen yes it's supposed to be improved10:06
ninoi cannot connect either10:06
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ubotufrostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire10:07
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Electrolyte[09:06:38]  <intelikey> then yes it's supposed to be improved <-- :O!!!!10:08
ninocool will check it out thanks ubotu10:08
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Electrolyteintelikey: Should I wait for it to be released over apt?10:08
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intelikeyElectrolyte that's up to you.  but it's always a bit easier to bet the distro packages working10:10
intelikeyi'm getting late  :)10:11
ElectrolyteAccording to their faq they've improved the install.10:11
intelikeylike i said it' up to you.10:12
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Emesswierd, when i switch virtual desktops teh cube rotates to them, but it shows windows on all desktops on everyone instead of only the ones on that desktop...10:13
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intelikeyis odd10:13
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ElectrolyteHeh, Linux driver feedback feature :D10:16
ElectrolyteMust use this :D10:16
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kakaltodid I ever congratulate #kubuntu on the amazing......ly SHOCKING job that was upgrade?10:17
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intelikeyi don't know. you'll have to ask them.10:17
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scheurihi all10:23
T3hWiz0rdapparently laptops aren't waterproof10:24
T3hWiz0rdohh wells10:24
intelikeyyou didn't get the aquitic special ???10:25
T3hWiz0rdaparently not..10:25
T3hWiz0rdand they siad apples take shit better pfft10:25
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scheuriintelikey: yes, how may I be of assistance?10:25
Electrolyteintelikey: Feedback sent, will have to see what they say :)10:25
ElectrolyteI told them UT2007 and Savage 2 is coming to Linux, so I would really appreciate if they could optimise the driver as much as they do for Windows.10:26
ElectrolyteSince I have a high-end AMD CPU they may listen ;)10:26
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intelikeyElectrolyte never know....  :)10:27
T3hWiz0rdElectrolyte: its sad but a lot of companies still don't see linux as a priority... but within logical reason you have to see why10:28
intelikeyscheuri assistance?    oh  just answering your "<scheuri> hi all"10:28
ElectrolyteT3hWiz0rd: Yeah I know.10:28
Electrolyte"Not enough people use it"10:28
scheuriintelikey: ah, sorry10:28
T3hWiz0rdthats sadly the biggest problem, Electrolyte... that and its not exactly a profitable market yet10:29
ElectrolyteBut I think ATI already know they're losing ATI customers who use Linux because of their driver.10:29
sparr(Reading database ... 382579 files and directories currently installed.)10:29
T3hWiz0rdElectrolyte: of course... but they're losing less then they're gaining.10:29
ElectrolyteYeah :/10:29
scheuriits the famous "egg and chicken" thing10:29
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ElectrolyteBut since AMD are also part of ATI now, it'll throw me off of buying another AMD CPU in the process.10:29
T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: because it still represents less than 20% of the computing world.10:30
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd it represents a market10:30
ElectrolyteBut that number does increase.10:30
intelikeyor infamus10:30
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ElectrolyteWith distros like Ubuntu & Kubuntu.10:30
T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: but its not a profitable market *yet*10:30
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Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd I know lots of large profitable companies that work within a market of less than a million people10:30
Linux_Galorejorik: bs10:30
ElectrolyteWith the demands coming out with AIGLX & XGL & Beryl etc, users are going to switch to Linux just for the eye-candy.10:31
navidjoonGot a problem editing a pdf file. Can anyone help?10:31
T3hWiz0rdI mean, I look at it at the standpoint of a business man, as I am one... Even if I am fond of soemthing (like say, if i was a hardware manufacture), but what i was fond of was not where my mass market is... I would not focus on it.10:31
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd better not tell Nokia that10:31
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Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd they sold out of their first Linux product for 3 months straight10:31
T3hWiz0rdwell, thats just the realistic way... Now once I had money, I am sure i'd give some more focus to that branch that I like... but in reality... Businesses are in business to be capitalistic... not to be everyones friends and make everyone happy...10:32
Linux_Galorethen you have companies like Linksys who use Linux in most of their routers10:32
uroshi all - does anyone know where i can get rid of the "separator" on every toolbar?10:32
scheurithere is another problem...linux has too many flavours (in their view)....10:32
Linux_Galorescheuri: last I looked there was only one kernel10:32
navidjoonAnyone familliar with postscript? I want to make one postscript file from several ps files and then convert that one file to pdf. Can anyone help?10:33
scheuriLinux_Galore: yes, but hundreds of distributions...and several package management systems10:33
Linux_Galorenavidjoon: you need to use the ps2  tools10:34
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navidjoonI got them10:34
hiuros: that depends on the style10:34
navidjoonBut how should I use them? As far as I can see they only accept one input file10:35
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Linux_Galorescheuri: really there are only 2 very popular binary install systems for linux the rest are hardly worth talking about, also windows doesnt have a single binary install system either10:35
T3hWiz0rdlinux needs to do 3 things before it can really become a major target for companies10:35
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insanekaneLinux_Galore: hich ones are you talking about ?10:35
scheuriLinux_Galore: dont tell me...:)...I know that...but...10:35
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insanekaneLinux_Galore: deb and rpm ?10:35
Linux_Galoreapt and rpm10:35
T3hWiz0rd1. a universal packaging system. 2. fewer flavors 3. a major corporation to really REAR it10:35
scheuriinsanekane: binary are rpm and deb10:35
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Linux_Galoreinsanekane: yep10:35
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insanekaneLinux_Galore: well, pisi will outdo both of them10:36
Linux_Galoreinsanekane: thats about 90% of the desktop systems covered10:36
scheuriinsanekane: pisi?10:36
Linux_Galoreinsanekane: when it gets a market share we will see10:36
insanekanescheuri: pisi - Packages Installed Successfully as Intended10:36
scheuri*laughs*...good name10:36
insanekaneLinux_Galore: sure :)10:36
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insanekanescheuri: its faster, smaller and... much much easier to make10:37
scheuriwell, I am very very happy with deb so far...but...if it its better...fair enough10:37
T3hWiz0rdI think my stance on linux provides the most realistic insight to why companies don't aim at it often...10:37
T3hWiz0rdits just too broad of an OS... everyone and their mother has made a linux flavor of their own10:37
root__i downloaded 241 mb update packets, it downloaded all, when it installs update gave an error, it said there was an error during installation, and it didnt install updates, could anyone help me :(10:37
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd your under the false beleif windows actually has a single binary install system, last I looked there were tons of them10:37
insanekanescheuri: in turkish, pisi also means "pussy" . as in cat ... "pisipisipisi .." is similiar to "here kitty kitty kitty"10:37
scheuriinsanekane: heh...:)10:37
T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: however it be, windows still doesn't have 1000 flavors to it10:38
root__i downloaded 241 mb update packets, it downloaded all, when it installs update gave an error, it said there was an error during installation, and it didnt install updates, could anyone help me :( did i lost all 241 mb download:(10:38
intelikeyT3hWiz0rd what you call a weakness  linux calls it's greatest strength10:38
insanekanescheuri: pardus devels made approx 500 pisi packages in 2-3 months ...10:38
T3hWiz0rdintelikey: i understand the freedom philosophy, but at some point it becomes a weakness10:38
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd wait for vista, there are about 9 flavours of that, then you have all the apps with their own take on how windows should work10:38
scheuriT3hWiz0rd: well, that is indeed a problem, but still...to make a source is not that much asked for?10:38
insanekanescheuri: for a very small group of devels, thats amazing10:38
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scheuriinsanekane: sounds good...10:38
T3hWiz0rdscheuri: you're asking major companies to release their precious secrets to plain view of their competetors...10:39
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insanekanescheuri: it is all because of the ease of making packages under pardus10:39
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root__ <insanekane>: arkada bir fikrin var m bu salak durum iin?  i downloaded 241 mb update packets, it downloaded all, when it installs update gave an error, it said there was an error during installation, and it didnt install updates, could anyone help me :( did i lost all 241 mb download:(10:39
scheuriT3hWiz0rd: woah...sorry...aye...okay...but making a deb and a rpm is that much asked for?10:39
insanekaneroot__: :) sorry, i dont know turkish :)10:39
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T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: you know, i don't like microsoft I don't care for them but saying that there are 9 flavors of vista and all will not be intercompatable is such an understatement and a zealot way to look at it.10:40
insanekaneroot__: i dont think you lost all the updates10:40
Linux_Galoreactually I dont want any company to release there code to be honest, all I want is a open standard for communicating with their products, the rest I dont give a toss about10:40
T3hWiz0rdwhat made windows successful in the first place?10:40
scheuriroot__: you did not lost them....their are in our cache for apt somehwhere on your harddisk10:40
scheuriT3hWiz0rd: marketing?10:41
T3hWiz0rdI know we all like to think that they took over with an army of dones... but it was successful because it was easy and marketed effectively.10:41
intelikeyscheuri light years of diff in suppling a packaged driver and releasing the source code.    to be gnu complient the source code has to be readily avalable to all10:41
root__scheuri: how can i get them or try to do update again? or when i reboot, will i lose those ?10:41
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd I didn't say anything about compatibility, your adding to the subject, now you have opened a whole new can of worms10:41
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scheuriroot__: well, if you start ipgrade again, it should start from where it stopped...happens to me at least10:42
scheuriroot__: and no...as far as I know you wont lose them after reboot10:42
intelikey"<T3hWiz0rd> what made windows successful in the first place?"    for the most part lack of compitition.10:42
scheuriLinux_Galore: worms? ;)10:42
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd create a exel file with lots of macro's in office 2000 now open it in office 2007, bugger me all the macro's have gone10:42
intelikeyactually ibm10:43
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scheuriaye, IBM....boykott them...;)10:43
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T3hWiz0rd*smacks forehead and shakes head*10:43
intelikeyhehhe no but that was what really made M$10:43
T3hWiz0rdI guess the point i am trying to get is10:43
T3hWiz0rdwhen grandma and grandpa turn on their computer to check emails and share photos with the grandkids10:44
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T3hWiz0rdthey don't know they're turning on linux... or windows... or mac... they're turning on their dell10:44
T3hWiz0rdthats it to them, They turn their *dell* on... and it goes to the internet10:44
T3hWiz0rdand thats just about ALL they know.10:44
intelikeyM$ was that "ibm compatable operating system"  and that's what made the day for M$10:44
scheuriT3hWiz0rd: well, it is unfortunately not that easy10:44
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd like my mother tried to this weekend and spent 2 hours trying to attach a directory full of images to an email but couldnt because it was a virtual linked directory10:44
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scheuriT3hWiz0rd: it ALWAYS fails on the lack of hardware support if people use linux....as soon as a digicam is involved thins get complicate10:45
T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: the point is though linux does need to make a dummie distro thats realyl well reared by a major company and then distributed with effective marketing.10:45
scheuriand who is to blame for lacking hardware support?10:45
intelikey<T3hWiz0rd> when grandma and grandpa turn on their computer to check emails and share photos with the grandkids <---- they are running linux cause i installed it.10:45
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd trust me windows doesnt pass the mum and dad test10:45
intelikeyno it doesn't Linux_Galore10:46
intelikeynot at all.10:46
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd your under the impression that elite users care that dumb asses use Linux10:46
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T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: I know al ot of elite users who take major pisses on anyone new.10:46
T3hWiz0rdand thats discouraging enough.10:46
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd trust me I dont want Linux stagnating for 5 years because people dont like menu changing10:46
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T3hWiz0rdit made me abaondon linux for a whole year once.10:46
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root__people "THe input device 168 error is simply X trying to load a Wacom tablet and not finding one" this is my problem10:48
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd I dont force people to buy fords or GN cars, if fords are a little bit more technical and suite me do i really give a shit if GM makes cars for stupid people10:48
root__and "X error bad device invalid or uninitialized input device" this is the error10:48
T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: i guess nothing I say will ever make a plausable argument iwth you because your mind is set on what its set on. But the truth is your method doesn't market to the end user10:48
intelikeyguys.  let me say this and i'll let you get back to your off topic discussion.  " linux is what linux is, as windows is what windows is.   that means basicly love it or leave it.  but don't waste everyone elses time griping about it"10:48
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intelikeyroot__ so remove the referances to wacom in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf10:50
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd you dont get it, I like Linux the way it is, I dont want a stagnant sheeple Linux tangent, I love the constant variations of new idea's and concepts10:50
T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: im not saying lets take away your linux10:50
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd "its why I truly like Linux"10:50
T3hWiz0rdim saying lets help linux make a breakthrough.10:50
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T3hWiz0rdwe can do that by making a linux distro that has a very good marketing strategy, has a big company pouring good money into it, and gets into good ties wit hhardware distributors.10:51
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Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd you cant, thats what you dont get, you cant make an OS who's whole aim it evolutionary become stagnant and stupid10:51
intelikeyit already broke through, several times.... it doesn't like it over there, keeps comming back  :)10:51
T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: then explain why debian always is staying stable and not "on the edge"?10:52
n3stormhi everyone10:52
root__intelikey: what should i remove i dont know new linux here10:52
nickstehey n310:52
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd Linspre is a great example, there so far behind now to keep things simple and stupid from the mainstream code releases now its not funny10:52
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insanekaneintelikey: a fitting end i must say :)10:53
T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: i don't consider any distro that runs full root a linux distrobution.10:53
T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: os x dumbs down unix without running a full root account... ever, root isn't even allowed.10:53
root__intelikey: should i delete conf file in xorg.conf10:53
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd Debian stable is for servers, with server you after up times, but stable still gets back ports from the "unstable" branch10:53
intelikeyroot__ no, edit the file   kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf      and look for "wacom"  comment out the entire section, should be two of them.10:53
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd you can get root on OSX10:54
T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: i know you can10:54
T3hWiz0rdi am talking out of the box its an entire sudoers os10:54
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intelikeyinsanekane :)10:54
Linux_GaloreT3hWiz0rd also OSX runs pretty unstable code its just that the BSD guys filter it pretty well10:54
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bergheimWhat's the update manager called for KDE?10:55
T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: what i am saying is we need a linux distro more like os x...10:55
T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: does that sum it down enough?10:55
T3hWiz0rdsomething that markets well...10:55
Linux_Galorebergheim:  god no OSX is horrible10:55
intelikeyT3hWiz0rd sums it up well but i totally disagree... :)10:55
bergheimLinux_Galore: ?10:56
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T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: i didn't ask your personal opinions on os x, i said linux needs something that can be marketed as such10:56
Linux_Galorethe UI on OSX is absolutely the most over hyped piece of rubbish Ive ever used10:56
bergheimI mean something that notifys me when an update is avaliable10:56
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T3hWiz0rdI love linux too but its time for some zealots to reenter reality.10:57
insanekanebergheim: adept10:57
bergheimWhen did I ever say anything about OSX o.O10:57
scheuriT3hWiz0rd: and what would this reality be?10:57
cab_hi all10:57
intelikeyT3hWiz0rd why reality is for those that cant handle uforia10:57
T3hWiz0rdscheuri: "don't believe your eyes, they'll lie to you"10:57
bergheiminsanekane: you have to run adept manually though.. I mean something that sits in your systray.. I remember having it there before, I just closed it10:57
insanekanebergheim: its called adept update agent10:57
Linux_GaloreI remember going to a demo of Tiger and he was going on how stable it is, I said let me try, 45 seconds the machine stopped10:58
insanekanebergheim: it sits in the systray and notifies on updates10:58
scheuriT3hWiz0rd: aww...come on...no philosophy...what is the reality for "us zealots" we dont see?10:58
Linux_GaloreI means hard reset to fix stopped10:58
insanekanebergheim: i dont know what it is called in newer versions of kubuntu ... i no longer use kubuntu10:58
root__intelikey_ there are three wacom devices all they are for tablet pc, i deleted 3 of all10:58
cab_root__: you need to edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root and comment out all that points to wacom10:58
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T3hWiz0rdscheuri: so you're classifying yourself as a zealot?10:58
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bergheiminsanekane: okay.. Thanks, I'll look..10:59
intelikeyroot__ the full sections i assume not just one line each....10:59
scheuriT3hWiz0rd: well, sometimes yes...but I am eager to find out what reality "the zealots" dont want to see in your opinion...10:59
Linux_GaloreOSX looks pretty but I know from the khtml the code handed over by apple its total rubbish underneath10:59
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T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: os x has leaps and bounds to still overcome10:59
bergheiminsanekane: right, adept_notifier :)10:59
insanekanescheuri: hes probably talking about the proprietary/closed source usefullness of programs11:00
T3hWiz0rdLinux_Galore: it still even crashes when ejecting network drives11:00
insanekanebergheim: yeah that i guess '11:00
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scheuriinsanekane: ah, okay11:00
n3stormI would like to share a calendar with kontact11:00
insanekanebergheim: as i said, i dont know what it is called ... i stopped using kubuntu sometime ago11:00
Linux_Galorewell I know the UI wont multi thread well till this day thats how i can crash it so easily11:00
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n3stormis webdav the best choice to do so across the internet?11:00
bergheiminsanekane: might I ask why11:00
cpmis rapidshare.de and rapidshare.com the same or is the .com just a ripoff??11:00
n3stormwe are 4 o 5 users only11:00
insanekanebergheim: i moved to better one :)11:01
ubotuUsually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.11:01
insanekanebergheim: in my opinion atleast ...11:01
n3stormI read about caldav and  groupdav and now I'm a bit confused11:01
root__intelikey_ the adept gives error but it updates now. i see it from details, but percentage is still zero11:01
bergheiminsanekane: I figured, I was just wondering what you landed on..11:01
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Linux_GaloreI know Linux is far from perfect but to be honest I havent seen a truly innovative OS desktop in 23 years11:01
insanekanebergheim: www.pardus.org.tr ... click english in the nvaigation bar11:02
root__intelikey_ now stopped...11:02
n3stormLinux_Galore: may be mediacenters?11:02
Linux_Galoren3storm: nope11:02
T3hWiz0rdpz everyone11:02
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T3hWiz0rdits beadtime for me.11:02
Linux_Galoremost desktop still use the dated filing cabinet model for files and data, when humans handle data in space and time in reality11:03
intelikeyroot__ someone said there was a problem with a ubuntu server eariler.... i haven't confirmed or refuited it11:03
EricJHi everyone. Got a newbie question. :)11:03
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EricJHow do I install Kdevelop?11:03
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Linux_GaloreEricJ: apt-get install kdevelop11:04
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ubotudebconf is a configuration management system. All packages that support debconf are configured when they are being installed. If you want to change a configuration option later, you can do so using dpkg-reconfigure11:04
typecasthttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/69583 <--- when will this one go into the official ubuntu archives?11:04
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Linux_GaloreEricJ: sorry  sudo apt-get install kdevelop11:04
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LockUpIs it possible to save documents to PDF/X using OpenOffice.org?11:04
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intelikeyEricJ sudo apt-get install kdevelop311:05
EricJLinux_Galore: I think I'm missing some repositories. Could you help me?11:05
Linux_GaloreLockUp: yep, icon up the top11:05
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insanekaneLockUp: to PDF yes ... but if you want to print professionally, i strongly suggest *not* to use OOo11:05
intelikeyshould prolly also get  kdevelop3-doc11:05
n3stormindeed, insanekane11:05
LockUpIt's called "PDF/X" format.11:05
insanekaneLockUp: i dont think OOo has PDF/X support though11:05
n3stormbetter use Scribus and scribus-ng11:05
n3stormbut scribus has a bug on ubuntu11:05
insanekanen3storm: scribus-ng ?11:06
kaabaahi all! I have a problem installing kubuntu: he tells me that XFS may not be used on a partition with /boot, but I setted up another partition with ext2 for /boot (this is step5 of the installation routine)11:06
LockUpScribus cannot open OpenOffice's .odg and .sxd documents. :(11:06
n3stormyeap, is a devel-stable release ;)11:06
intelikey!info kdevelop11:06
ubotukdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7894 kB, installed size 24892 kB11:06
insanekaneLockUp: but you can import it11:06
insanekanen3storm: ah right11:06
intelikey!info kdevelop edgy11:06
n3stormLockUp: last time I checked it could11:06
n3stormpretty stable11:06
intelikeyi guess that was edgy11:06
insanekaneLockUp: use the get text modle11:06
LockUpSo I shouldn't "open" it but "import"?11:06
intelikey!info kdevelop dapper11:06
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ubotuPackage kdevelop does not exist in dapper11:06
n3stormbut you should unninstall scimmqt or a similar package11:07
Linux_GalorePDF/X is supported by scribus11:07
insanekaneLockUp: wat you do is .. start scribus with a new document and a text frmae ... right click the frame and click get text11:07
n3stormin order to scribus work properly11:07
scheuripackages.ubuntu.com might help to find packages11:07
insanekaneLinux_Galore: yep, it is ;)11:07
Linux_GaloreLockUp: get scribus its free and in the repositories11:07
LockUpI will try. :)11:07
LockUpI have Scribus on Linux.11:07
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kaabaacould anyone help me ? I can't continue the installation, he keeps telling me to chosse another fs although I have ext2 for /boot11:07
ElectrolyteOh I am so getting sick of apt :/11:07
LockUpOkay, i'm going to Linux.11:07
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ElectrolyteBreak this, break that.11:07
scheuriElectrolyte: why is that?11:07
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scheuriElectrolyte: upgrading from dapper to edgy?11:08
ElectrolyteNot only do I have a loophole with k3d, now I can't remove OpenOffice.11:08
ElectrolyteOn Edgy.11:08
EricJscheuri: I've found the package I want on packages.ubuntu.com, but I'm not sure what to add to sources.list :/11:08
Linux_GaloreElectrolyte: means need to work on your sources.list  more, I very rarely get dep problems11:08
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theskyrideris there an extreme newbie channel, for like two-hours old newbies?11:08
ElectrolyteThe sources.list is normal.11:08
nicksteI'm trying to get Beryl/XGL/ATI to work. When I start beryl, it says: XGL Absent, and goes on to try and use AIGLX, which doesn't work.11:08
scheuriEricJ: does is say [universe]  in red next to the package name on package.ubuntu.com?11:08
Linux_GaloreElectrolyte: mine isnt its got heaps in there11:08
n3stormtheskyrider: go ahead11:08
rbolti have video stream problems can some enlighten me?11:09
ElectrolyteWell there you go then - my is standard yet it's breaking.11:09
EricJscheuri: 2secs, lemme check11:09
ElectrolyteOnly been getting these problems since I did the upgrade.11:09
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scheuriElectrolyte: aaahh...upgrade...11:09
Linux_GaloreElectrolyte: usually its because they expect you to use some of the none standard ones11:09
intelikeykaabaa if the installer wont let you continue   there's nothing we can do about it.   but i can point you to the "alternate" install cd if you want to do anything 'non-standard'   i can't say that it will install on xfs but it "should".11:09
ElectrolyteI'm gonna end up burning the ISO to disc and doing a fresh sodding install :/11:09
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Linux_GaloreElectrolyte: yeah I did the dapper-> edgy update, fsking mess11:10
n3stormtheskyrider: what is your problem?11:10
scheuriElectrolyte: if you have your /home on a seperate partition...its not that bad....but please backup forst11:10
kaabaaintelikey: it worked with dapper though11:10
theskyriderI just installed ubuntu as a dual-boot on my laptop.  I can't see my wireless card though11:10
intelikeykaabaa i know.11:10
ElectrolyteI have 2 drives for backup.11:10
root__intelikey_ in fact again i cant login with myusername and password...11:10
Linux_GaloreElectrolyte: I got it working in the end but it wasnt easy11:10
ElectrolyteI don't actually use /home/, I use /sata/files/ and /backup/11:10
theskyridernot always going to be able to use eth0, if you know what I mean11:10
EricJHmm.. Thanks for the hint, scheuri. I think I've got it figured out now. :)11:10
root__intelikey_ sth happened and it doesnt accept it in kde, but it is ok in konsole...11:11
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ElectrolyteI'd backup ~/.kde/ though.11:11
scheuriEricJ: very welcome11:11
kaabaaintelikey: maybe it's just me doing something wrong? I have 3 partitions, ext2 for /boot, xfs for / and swap for swap and then I show him what is what11:11
intelikeyoh is it a login issue root__ i thought you were trying to rid your self of those pesky error messages11:11
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scheuriElectrolyte: PLEASE...backup everything...11:11
root__intelikey_ yes now i am root11:11
ElectrolyteWell if I backup /.kde/ it'll break due to missing fonts and such :/11:11
n3stormtheskyrider: I don't know what you mean :(11:11
Electrolytescheuri: I'm already upgraded.11:11
root__intelikey_ because i cant login with my username11:12
n3stormanyway you need wireless access, don't you?11:12
ElectrolyteAnd it messed up.11:12
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ElectrolyteI doubt I'll upgrade from Edgy to the next one.11:12
scheuriElectrolyte: yes...but with a clean install you might be lucky...but...that also means there is a chance (even if its a small one) that it will kill your data11:12
kaabaaintelikey: the problem is - I cannot boot into Windows because it destroyed grub -11:12
intelikeyroot__ you are using a password ?11:12
Electrolytescheuri: I already said I use 2 different drives.11:12
root__intelikey_ yes11:12
Electrolyte3 total.11:12
scheuriElectrolyte: well...just wanted to point out that backups are very very important before installing anything new11:13
theskyriderI have a wap in the house already, but I can't even find the wireless card with this os11:13
n3stormtheskyrider: what model is your wireless card?11:13
intelikeyroot__ try changing the password     (you can change it to the same theing if you like)11:13
kaabaaintelikey: so where can I get the alternative CD at least?11:14
scheurikaabaa: ubuntu.com11:14
theskyridersorry, toshiba laptop, atheros wireless card.11:14
intelikeykaabaa from the same download page as the live cd11:14
kaabaascheuri: I'm using kubuntu ?11:14
root__intelikey_ i tried it, also added new user too, but still kde doesnt accept, all those happened after a broken translation which is mysql11:14
n3stormtheskyrider: can you see the exact model with lspci?11:15
scheurikaabaa: well then....kubuntu.org11:15
n3stormtheskyrider: you open a konsole11:15
n3stormand write down "lspci"11:15
n3stormand then press Intro11:15
n3stormyou will see a list of devices11:15
rbolti have video streaming problems thru lan (windows shared videos)11:15
rboltcan someone help me11:15
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kaabaaintelikey: but I dont have less than 192MB ram or these things, why should I use the Alternative then? Does it have the old installation routine?11:15
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intelikeyroot__ oh my.  mysql did this to you.....   and i know nothing about mysql... you need someone else to help with that.11:16
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theskyriderok, got the lspci working, need a minute to go through the screen11:16
scheurikaabaa: alternate. not alternative...and yes...it has the "old" routine on it11:16
root__intelikey_ ok sir, thanx again:)11:16
intelikeykaabaa yes11:16
root__intelikey_ let me reboot11:16
intelikeyroot__ k11:16
eaglehawkanybody who can help me with apt-get11:17
n3stormtheskyrider: take your time11:17
EricJJust a quick question. What are the differences between (K)ubuntu and the Debian distributions? o.O11:17
theskyriderok, lspci is showing me that it does know what the card is.11:17
EricJI'm new to Kubuntu, and it looks quite similar.11:17
momalhmm anyone know why glxgears(+ other opengl games) would be giving out a low fps rate? (I have a geforce 7800gt + nvidia beta drivers + edgy) its onyl geting about 10-20fps :S11:17
scheuriEricJ: different version of packages/software, some patches which might be applied on one distribution and not the other...11:17
intelikey!ask | eaglehawk11:18
ubotueaglehawk: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)11:18
theskyrider Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802.11abg NIC11:18
intelikeyeaglehawk no.  in the channel.11:18
n3stormtheskyrider: ok, great11:18
scheuriEricJ: (K)ubuntu will release every 6 month....debian will release when its done11:18
intelikeyeaglehawk in the channel.11:18
EricJAllright, thanks scheuri. Just curious. :)11:19
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n3stormtheskyrider: now I go to google and copy paste "ubuntu AR5005G 802.11abg NIC"11:19
n3stormto check if somebody else has had problems, issues, success, etc with ubuntu11:20
scheuriEricJ: sure enoug...:)11:20
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n3stormif I get no info with ubuntu, I will look for debian11:20
n3stormand if not linux in general11:20
n3stormlooks like your wifi card should work out of the box with edgy11:21
n3stormwhat version of kubuntu did you install, theskyrider ?11:21
scheurin3storm: already made a ifconfig with theskyrider11:21
theskyriderusing ubuntu, not kubuntu11:22
n3stormno wireless card?11:22
scheurin3storm: sorry, that was a question...:)11:22
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n3stormaha :D11:22
scheuritheskyrider: that is all the same on that level11:22
intelikeyeaglehawk sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -f11:22
n3stormwe are on to it11:22
alexiconhiya still haveing glx issues11:22
scheurin3storm: maybe the wlan card is recognized...11:22
alexiconwhen i change driver in xorg.conf to "nvidia" from "nv" X wont start11:23
n3stormtheskyrider: write down at your konsole: iwconfig11:23
n3stormtheskyrider: that's great, you are using Edgy 6.1011:24
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theskyriderokay, the card is mapped to ath011:25
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intelikeyif eaglehawk ever gets finished pm'ing  and makes it back here would someone show him that command please...11:25
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n3stormtheskyrider: eth0 is only for cable cards11:25
n3stormtheskyrider: so, what tool are you using to configure wifi networking?11:26
alexiconanybody else have their nvidia-glx-conf enable fail due to md5sum error?11:26
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alexicondo i need kernel source for nvidia-glx?11:26
scheurin3storm: thought it was a config-problem not a hardware-detecion one...;)11:26
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intelikeyalexicon eeek wrong kernel ?11:26
alexiconive got nvidia-kernel-common11:26
n3stormsheuri, yep but I wanted him to go through all the process so he learns :D11:26
alexiconi think thats the right one11:27
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alexiconcos its got the nv driver11:27
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alexiconbut glx wont play :/11:27
scheurin3storm: sure enough...;)11:27
alexiconnot even with my old gentoo config11:27
momalanyone here run opengl games with nvidia beta drivers and dont' have any probs?11:27
intelikeyalexicon i mean are you booted the kernel version that matches the driver version ???11:27
n3stormtheskyrider: can you see the icon of a K or a foot?11:28
n3stormsomewhere at your desktop11:28
alexiconthe numbering scheme doesnt match on glx and kernel11:28
alexicongentoo had just combined glx with kernel into one driver set... nrrr11:28
intelikeyanyway i'm out of time.   got to go.11:28
theskyriderthe only place i see the foot is in the system menu - reads about gnome11:29
alexiconmomal: did you get nvidia-glx working11:29
intelikeyalexicon but the kernel version matches the restricted-modules version11:29
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alexiconrestricted hrm11:29
momalalexicon: I don't use nvidia-glx... I run the installer from the nvidia site11:29
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alexiconohh might try that next11:29
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n3stormtheskyrider: at this point you better go to #ubuntu channel11:30
n3stormcause at #kubuntu we have another desktop11:30
jende_Howdy folks11:30
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n3stormand I can't see the same you see in your screen11:30
theskyriderkonversation had this one set as the default, sorry11:30
scheurin3storm: you have ubuntu not installed?11:30
n3stormso I cannot go through the menus and so11:30
snovvyi need help... i must add key but i don't know how :) .. yes i am newbie ... :] 11:30
n3stormI have Kubuntu, KDE11:30
scheuritheskyrider: yes, because konversation is a tool made for KDE...:)11:30
n3stormtheskyrider: no problem11:31
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alexiconi have a couple linux-restricted-modules installed if that matters11:31
n3stormtheskyrider: sorry I can't help you11:31
scheuritheskyrider: but that is not a problem...most people at #ubuntu using Gnome (like you) and are of better help11:31
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snovvyscheuri: i use KDE :)11:31
scheurisnovvy: me too, but I have Gnome installed as well...;)11:32
mihaili love gnome :D11:32
snovvyi got XCFS [or sth]  but it's terrible for me :)11:32
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scheurixcfs is not that bad if you need something fast...11:32
momalwhats the command to run the check harddrive program11:32
scheurimomal: hparm is your friend11:33
alexiconhdd space?11:33
jende_momal: hdparm11:33
n3stormalexicon: df11:33
mihailwhat kind of check do ?11:33
jende_alexicon: or 'du'11:33
momalthe windows one was chkdisk from memory11:33
snovvycan anyone tell me how to add key? :) I can't end  sudo apt-get update :(11:33
scheuridf -h even tells you space in human readably sizes11:33
theskyriderthanks for your help n3storm and scheuri11:33
xsachafsck ?11:33
n3stormtheskyrider: you are welcome!11:34
scheuritheskyrider: welcome11:34
jende_momal: man fsck or man fs2ck11:34
xsachamomal: filesystem check?11:34
momalarr thats the one thanks :)011:34
theskyrideronce I get all of this figured out, I'm going to take the XP off this thing11:34
jende_momal: read the manpages before you're using fsck!11:34
xsachasacha@noob $  > fsck /dev/hda1                      Device is mounted. Unmounting and writing zeros to it to teach you a lesson.11:35
snovvyi got kubuntu for 3 days and i break it :] 11:35
n3stormtheskyrider: don't name the evil in this channel XDDD11:36
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jende_xsacha: thats why I told him to read manpages ;-)11:36
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theskyridern3storm: how about if I just call it - the other OS11:36
alexiconwhats 6.06 called?11:36
xsachaF*CK! :(11:36
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xsachaalexicon: dapper11:37
jende_alexicon: dapper drake11:37
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snovvytoday we got zombie day :] 11:38
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Mike2k6xchat is exactly like konversation...11:39
snovvyi don't have sound, i can end apt-get update, i got old PC but i still Love [K] Ubuntu :)11:40
n3stormMike2k6: surprised?11:40
Mike2k6n3storm, well im used to mIRC11:40
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neburalguien sabe cmo entrar al irc-hispano?11:41
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Mike2k6id like to create my own mud, so i guess im going to need a programming application, i got very basic knowlege of programming languages, any recomended applications?11:43
MidMarkhi, where are stored info about screensaver? I've screensaver broken in edgy11:43
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xsachaMike2k6: that's not that hard, only need to deal with console :) c++?11:43
Mike2k6i took a js2e class in highschool, it introduced us to for and while loops etc.11:44
Mike2k6well not saying i know exactly how to make a mud right now, but if i were to go that route, i need somewhere to start ya know?11:44
momalspeaking of screensaver any ideas to why when i run the lock session the screen saver doesn't appear and when i move my mouse the unlock screen then pops up but no sccreen saver :(... but screen saver runs when i click test in its settings11:44
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xsachayep yep, might want to take a c/c++ tutorial and socks tutorial :) but that would just be my preference, some people wouldnt recommended c straight off11:45
alexiconwhere is update-manager meant to be?11:45
MidMarkmomal: I've also issues with screensaver11:45
MidMarkit doesn't appears also after x minutes11:45
MidMarkpreview is ok11:45
alexiconwhich update-manager someone11:45
snovvy        (__)11:45
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snovvy         (oo)11:45
snovvy   /------\/11:45
snovvy  / |    ||11:45
snovvy *  /\---/\11:45
snovvy    ~~   ~~11:45
snovvy...."Have you mooed today?"...11:45
Mike2k6is c++ done souly through the console?11:46
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Mike2k6i mean im looking for an app with pretty colors lol11:46
xsachacan use colours in console :) but c++ will do anything11:46
momalMidMark: strange i just checked it on the time thingo and waited the time and it didn't work either : O11:46
Mike2k6ok searching for mp3's on torrent spy seems to be a waste of time11:46
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MidMarkmomal: I think it is an update issue, I had kde from 3.5.2 to 3.5.511:47
xsachai find gnutella/... networks best for small files11:47
MidMarkand 3.5.3 was broken I think11:47
kaflanhi. i install kubuntu its greate after SUSE. I like it! But how can i know defaul root password?11:47
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momalyea.. you running edgy?11:47
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Mike2k6xsacha, of course you do, remember helping me with frostwire for 2 hours last night?11:47
MidMarkmomal: yep11:47
jende_kaflan: we don't have a real root11:47
xsachakaflan: this distro encourages using sudo11:47
xsachawell, kdesu for gui apps11:47
Mike2k6frostwire wont connect :-\11:48
kaflanbut why not normal security system?11:48
MidMarkpeople: screensaver works for you?11:48
jende_kaflan: he?11:48
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kaflanmaybe i shoud install ubuntu to have normal security system?11:49
jende_kaflan: what are you talking about?11:49
xsachakaflan: this is the same as ubuntu11:49
xsachaexcept with KDE11:49
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MidMarkkaflan: no root password doesn't means minor security11:49
jende_kaflan: ubuntu and kubuntu are the same distros, just a different DM11:49
alexiconMidMark: yes, which screensaver are you using11:49
MidMarkalexicon: kde screensaver, but nothing appears :(11:49
amayeraI am using the latest kubuntu edgy. when I send my system into suspend2ram and it wakes up sometimes the mouse does just blink but not work (optical mouse). dmesg says that it is being disconnected and connected all the time.11:50
jende_kaflan: but if you want/need a 'su' you can create one11:50
amayerawhat can I do?11:50
alexicontry installing xscreensaver or electricsheep or something11:50
kaflanhmm, but all users can have root privilages?11:50
houssemwhen i type "./configure" to install cheops i get this message "configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables."11:50
alexiconthey should all be configuratble from kcontrol11:50
xsachakaflan: the users are in sudoers list, effectively giving them root privileges11:50
MidMarkkaflan: you can be in admin group, but to operate as admin you have to provide your password11:50
xsachayou need to type in password to sudo though11:50
snovvyamayera: I can't help you :) I am newbie @ ubuntu topic ... btw in linux too :] 11:51
MidMarkthat it is stored with admin priviledges11:51
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MidMarkit's not like winxp, it's like macos I think11:51
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amayeraI already thought my mouse was ready for being dumped, but it works just fine as long as it doesn't come out of suspend2ram.11:51
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MidMarkalexicon: the fact is I prefer kde's screensavers11:51
jende_kaflan: sudo passwd root11:51
kaflanso, i can create normal user, and than my default user (thats create by installer) and use his password like administrator?11:52
jende_kaflan: and you'll have a root acct11:52
amayeracould it be that the usbcore module or something is fscked?11:52
houssemplease any one can help me ???11:52
arschkindhallo you funny people11:52
MidMarkkaflan: sudo is better than root, more confortable and less painful and with the same strength11:52
arschkindcan you tell what I have to do to play mp3s on my kubuntu??11:52
MidMarkno need for root11:52
jende_kaflan: read   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo   esp the part Benefits11:53
houssemwhen i type "./configure" to install cheops i get this message "configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables."11:53
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kaflanthx all, going to rtfm...11:53
xsachahoussem: this is a win32 program?11:53
snovvytry to  sudo apt-get gcc11:53
houssemxsacha: no it's cheops a linux program11:53
jende_snovvy: ...get install...11:53
snovvyyes :)11:54
snovvymy bad11:54
xsachathat error should come form compiling win32 binary :S11:54
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houssemxsacha: so ???11:55
sloefHo guys ... how do I get amarok to play on my sb Live? (when I use mpg321, it works, amarok just 'skips' the files)11:55
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sloefI have amarok + xine engine (alsa)11:55
ccherrettanyone know how to install mplayerplugin through apt-get?11:55
jende_houssem: why do you have to run ./configure?cheops should be in the repos11:55
houssemjende_: no i didn't find it in the repos11:56
jende_houssem: Filename: pool/universe/c/cheops/cheops_0.61-14_i386.deb11:56
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houssemjende_: how can i use this link please ?11:56
jende_Cheops is no longer being developed, however, cheops-ng offers similar11:56
jende_ functionality and is actively maintained.11:56
xsachait's in universe11:57
houssemjende_: yes yes i have cheops-ng11:57
jende_houssem: Filename: pool/universe/c/cheops-ng/cheops-ng_0.2.3-3ubuntu1_i386.deb11:58
alexiconmaybe edgy will fix my glx issues..11:58
jende_houssem: you may want to modify your sources.list to get the cheops11:58
scheurihoussem: you need to add the repository "universe" to your sources...either manually or using adept/synaptic11:58
houssemjende_: i have to add this line to my sources.list ???11:58
xsacha:S add universe11:59
jende_houssem: no, just enable the line *UNIVERSE*11:59
jende_houssem: in your sources.list11:59
houssemjende_: ah ok, i will test it11:59
jende_houssem: you also need the vncviewer11:59
houssemjende_: vncviewer ? for what ?11:59
alexiconcan't find DistUpgradeViewGtk11:59
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jende_houssem: type in a console apt-cache show cheops-ng12:00
jende_houssem: it'll tell you12:00
Mike2k6Anyone here use FrostWire?12:01
sloefIs the upgrade from dapper to edgy smooth?12:02
jende_sloef: yep12:02
Mike2k6upgrade from winxp pro sp2 to edgy is pretty smoothe lol12:02
alexiconmy update-manger doesnt work12:02
Lynouresloef: depends who you ask....12:02
sloefjende_: I heared there were some problems with ubuntu ...12:02
jende_sloef: sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/ edgy /g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list12:03
Mike2k6xsacha, how do you view what ports you have open? That way i can manually direct frostwire to it.12:03
jende_sloef: errr...not as far as I have heard, anyway this is the kubuntu channell12:03
xsachaMike2k6: you have a router, right?12:03
Mike2k6xsacha, why yes, yes i do!12:03
alexiconis there a program to just change the gtk theme when you havent got gnome installed12:03
xsachawell try: or whatever your router is12:03
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sloefjende_: I have kubuntu :)12:04
jende_sloef: then you have to make a sudo apt-get update12:04
Mike2k6xsacha, im in there12:04
xsachafind section for ports, i dont know what yours looks like12:04
jende_sloef: after that do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade12:04
xsachamighr be called Firewall12:04
jende_sloef: and the upgrade is done12:04
Mike2k6xsacha, all i have is port forwarding which did not work.12:04
xsachayes, it is port forwarding..12:04
jende_sloef: hope that's smooth enough; 3 lines12:04
LynoureIt's the aftermath many have trouble with12:05
xsachaif port forwarding doesnt work, it's not your ports that are the problem :)12:05
Mike2k6xsacha, well what else could it be?12:05
sloefjende_: Unable to find expected entry  -updates/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)12:05
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xsachadont know12:05
jende_sloef: pastebin your sources.list12:05
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)12:05
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jende_sloef: you ran all the three lines I posted in here?12:06
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sloefjende_: I got the problems when I ran the apt-get update12:07
sloefjende_: What I find strange is the -security and -update in my sources.list12:08
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sloefjende_: I've never noticed that in debian ...12:09
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jende_sloef: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29701/   read my comment at the end of the file12:09
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jende_sloef: the repo management is a bit different to debian, thats true. But its not a big thing, though12:10
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Lynouresloef: at least on #ubuntu quite many people seem to have some problems and many recommend doing clean install instead of an upgrade.12:10
Lynouresloef: I just recommend keeping a livecd handy and possibly doing backups first12:10
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jende_Lynoure: we had a release party here in hannover and I upgraded quite a few Kubuntus that way, as like as my boxes and none of them had any probs at all12:11
LynoureBut I have not upgraded to edgy, just general things.12:11
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alexiconextracting '/tmp/tmpsHqRLO/edgy.tar.gz'12:11
alexiconauthenticate '/tmp/tmpsHqRLO/edgy.tar.gz' against '/tmp/tmpsHqRLO/edgy.tar.gz.gpg'12:11
alexiconcan't find DistUpgradeViewGtk12:12
Lynourejende_: I might wish to borrow your luck at some point :)12:12
alexiconthats what happens when i try the edgy update through update-manager12:12
sloefdid you reply? (I'm having some difficulties with my wireless connection)12:12
jende_Lynoure: why? I mean thats basically how all my upgrades run12:12
jende_sloef: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29701/   read my comment at the end of the file12:13
jende_alexicon: do that:12:14
jende_sloef: sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/ edgy /g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list12:14
jende_sloef: then you have to make a sudo apt-get update12:14
jende_sloef: after that do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade12:14
jende_sloef: and the upgrade is done12:14
jende_alexicon: make sure that your sources looks equal to sloef's sources12:14
jende_alexicon: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29701/12:15
jende_sloef: did yoou have a look at the sources, I modified for you?12:15
alexiconjende_: is it just two new repos12:16
alexicon4 rather12:16
jende_alexicon: yep12:16
alexiconbasically all the stuff with edgy mentioend12:16
jende_alexicon: exactly12:16
alexicondo i comment out the old ones12:16
alexiconthat point to dapper12:16
jende_I'd rather say so12:16
alexiconrighto hence the sed12:17
jende_alexicon: no worries12:17
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jende_sloef: alexicon: if you guys are working with OOo rather than with  KOffice you will have to add later on 2 more lines to your sources to get some major bugs fixed12:18
alexiconok cheers12:18
Mike2k6anyone know a good c++ code application?12:19
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xsachag++ :)12:19
alexiconor eclipse12:19
Mike2k6so sudo apt-get eclipse?12:19
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jende_Mike2k6: apt-get install12:19
Mike2k6which one is more newbie friendly>?12:20
Mike2k6jende_, oh ya thanks lol12:20
jende_Mike2k6: kdevelop12:20
xsachakdevelop is best noob friendly :P12:20
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Mike2k6okies thanks!12:20
alexiconkdevelop is really nice12:20
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BuFFhow to view 'my computer' and other icons on desktop ?12:20
xsachaqtdesigner nice too, if you're designing qt apps12:20
xsachamy computer?12:21
BuFFyes and trash bin too12:21
Mike2k6BuFF, The closest thing to 'My Computer' Would be the 'System Menu'12:21
xsachaon the desktop... Create New->Link to Location12:21
kaflandoes any1 texteditor (not wordproccessor) comes with default kubuntu install?12:21
alexiconclick the desktop and create a lik to a device12:22
Mike2k6kate and gedit?12:22
kaflanno gedit!12:22
kaflani cant found it12:22
xsachayou shouldnt have gedit12:22
Mike2k6eff gedit12:22
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kaflani cant found gedit12:22
Bubba_Gumpkate is sexy :P12:22
alexiconbut kate is brilliant12:22
jende_alexicon: check the link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-October/022037.html12:22
alexiconinstall gedit if you really want kaflan12:22
xsachakaflan: you shouldnt have gedit lol12:22
kaflanno thx )12:22
alexiconthanks jende_12:22
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Mike2k6ok frostwire just connected for no reason lol, yey!12:25
Mike2k6and then it freezes!12:25
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ninolol guest what im still doing??12:26
Mike2k6nino, looking at porn?12:26
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ninogrinding away at making frostwire work :)12:26
ninowhere did you install your java sun from?12:27
xsachasun-java5-jre he installed (from multiverse)12:27
Lynourejende_: Have you done upgrades from the cd as well (apt-cdrom)? Those went well as well?12:28
ninosweet thx!!12:28
jende_Lynoure: nope12:28
Mike2k6nino, yeah what xsa said12:28
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xsachabtw Mike2k6, xs <tab key> :)12:28
jende_Lynoure: nope; means I haven't used the CD12:28
Mike2k6xsacha, never!12:28
Lynourejende_: ok, thanks12:28
Mike2k6im on xchat now n e ways :-p12:29
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xsachait doesnt work on xchat? ^o)12:29
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Mike2k6yeah it does, but it puts a comma instead of a colon12:29
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Mike2k6i used to write irc scripts like 6 years ago12:29
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Mike2k6i dont remember even the slightest thing now.12:30
ninodont have multiverse in my repositories!!!12:31
Mike2k6nino, add it!12:31
jende_nino: add it12:31
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xsachanino: check if you have sun-java5-jre12:31
ubotusun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 7279 kB, installed size 16132 kB12:32
xsachaenable that multiverse one in sources.list, it has it12:32
ninonope it does not12:32
houssemplease how to activate the "ls -l" ??12:32
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jende_nino: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list12:33
scheurihoussem: by using the CLI (command line interface) which looks like DOS but is not...:)12:33
ninohold on12:33
xsachaim using default sources.list from an amd64 install and only adds repo for wine and beryl :P12:33
xsachajust enabled everything on default though12:33
jende_nino: then add to the universe lines the repo multiverse12:33
houssemscheuri: no there is a line to uncomment in a config file12:33
jende_nino: in addition to that you have to enable the repos by deleting the hashes <-#12:33
houssemscheuri: can you give the name of the file ?12:34
scheurihoussem: ah, sorry...."ls -l" is actually a command12:34
scheurihoussem: well, there are dozens of config files...which one you mean?12:34
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scheurihoussem: "ls -l" is actually a command to list all files in a directory (using CLI)12:34
houssemscheuri: i don't know but the command is "ll"12:34
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SHRIKEEquestion question :)12:35
kaflandoes with edgy comes console text editor by default?12:35
scheurihoussem: "ll" is also a command to list all files in a directory...12:35
SHRIKEEIm trying to get kvpnc to work12:35
xsachalol yes kaflan12:35
xsachatry kate12:35
scheurikaflan: yes...vi(m) for example12:35
jende_kaflan: for sure *lol*12:35
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houssemscheuri: yes but when i type it it's not reconized by my system12:35
SHRIKEEany vpn gurus here?12:35
scheurihoussem: where to you type it in?12:35
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Mike2k6ok heres a good question12:35
kaflanlol, kate is not console editor12:35
Mr_Pani have a problem with upgrade to 6.10. apt give me an error code (1) processing xfonts-intl-european_1.2.1-6 . any suggestions?12:35
houssemscheuri: in my console12:36
oceanishow to install games on kubuntu dapper from cd12:36
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xsachavim then kaflan12:36
CyronTry nano if you want a console based text editor that doesn't require you to learn another language to use :)12:36
scheurihoussem: but "ls -l" is recognised, right?12:36
houssemscheuri: yes of coursse12:36
Mike2k6i have a soundcard, however i also have a motherboard with built in audio, how do i disable the motherboard audio to make the sound card the primary, its wierd, some apps will play to the onboard and some to the sound card12:36
scheuriCyron: you are sarcastic here...:)12:36
kaflanvim is for experts only :) i dont know how to work with them, i need some easy editor12:36
jende_brb...having lunch, now12:36
nagyvoceanis: did you searched adept? is the game you are looking for available there?12:36
xsachakaflan: nano12:36
houssemMike2k6: look in your BIOS12:36
jende_kaflan: there are man pages12:36
Mike2k6houssem, never!12:36
jende_kaflan: read them and they'll tell you heaps12:36
CyronNever :)12:36
houssemMike2k6: why ?12:37
Mike2k6houssem, bios = evil12:37
nagyvoceanis: why ?12:37
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scheuriMike2k6: well...how disabling on board sound in your BIOS? it is worth a try12:37
kaflani try to read them, but vim is to hard editor, i dont want to spen lot of time in practice to use hotkeys12:37
houssemplease anyone can tell me how to activate the option "ll" ???12:37
jende_kaflan: man vi12:37
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Mike2k6scheuri, agreed12:37
drowstarhey! anybody here installed kubuntu and tried running gnome? i have a problem with gtk2-themes looking all weird and stuff ;) ie they don't seem to work at all, buttons a solid grey squares for example12:37
xsachahoussem: what is "ll" meant to do?12:37
kaflannano rullez, vi md ;)12:37
houssemMike2k6: oooh!! you have a very bad idea on the bios12:37
oceanisi want some to play :) when im compiling12:38
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houssemxsacha: ll = ls -l12:38
Mike2k6houssem, im kidding, i like my bios, very simple12:38
houssemit's a shourtcat12:38
xsachaoh an alias for it?12:38
houssemxsacha: yes exactely12:38
scheurill is an alias for ls -l...well then..12:38
oceanishow to install games on kubuntu dapper from cd12:38
Mr_Pani have a problem with upgrade to 6.10. apt give me an error code (1) processing xfonts-intl-european_1.2.1-6 . any idea12:38
xsachawell, if you create the alias, then it will be recognised :)12:39
nagyvoceanis: which game do you want to install? did you already installed dapper?12:39
oceanisi installed dapper12:39
oceanisand if there is any game pack that installs 5 or 6 games it will be cool but remeber i want to install them from the cd if they got it12:39
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Mezoceanis, not too sure but the package you should look for is kdegames12:40
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nagyvoceanis: I don't know the content of the cd, but try to search for "kdegames" in adept (the package manager)12:40
CyronHi adam_12:40
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scheurioceanis: if you have not disabled your CD-ROM as repository in sources.list then it will ask you about your CD anyway if you install new stuff (if it was on CD anyway=12:41
adam_PLhow can i connect to quake.net ?12:41
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drowstarI have installed ubuntu-desktop on a fresh Kubuntu edgy installation and gtk2-themes don't work (I get solid grey squares instead of buttons for example). any hints?12:43
nagyvdrowstar: try #ubuntu12:44
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kaflanhow to make kdesu prompt for root password instead of the password of the invoking user? (i totally do sudo passwd root, and patch /etc/sudoers with rootpw argument).12:44
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xsachathere is no root password kaflan12:44
xsachaunless you made one?12:44
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kaflani made it12:45
kaflanread my post more carefully12:45
drowstarnagyv: will do. thought kubuntu would be apropriate as that's obviously not a problem people that would show up on a clean ubuntu install. thanks though12:45
buschdiebi am a new ubuntu user.. i want to start firefox2 how?12:45
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buschdiebplease help me12:45
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Cyronbuschdieb: Press alt-f2, then type in firefox12:46
CyronThat's how you run firefox12:47
CyronOr were you wanting to install it?12:48
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xsachasudo apt-get install firefox && firefox :D12:48
buschdiebits the command line... my fire fox is unpacked12:48
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eilkerpeople, i cant login with mu username and password, but it is ok, because i use it in console ,and no problem any idea?12:49
ninonote : Adding multiverse to those universe lines worked!!! Installing java!!! ;)12:49
CyronUnpacked?  You downloaded it from somewhere?12:49
eilkerpeople, i cant login with my username and password, but it is ok, because i use it in console ,and no problem any idea?12:49
CyronYou don't need to do that12:49
nagyvactually I am using swiftfox (a CPU-optimized build of firefox), is it safe to upgrade the 1.5.6 version to version 2.0?12:49
CyronJust use sudo aptitude install firefox12:49
Mike2k6night all12:49
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vincent_Hi everyone12:50
jelswiftfox.   Hmmm.... oiledweasel? ;)12:50
jelhi vincent_12:50
vincent_I suppose #kubuntu is a channel about my new OS ? :)12:50
vincent_Will I find some help here ?12:51
xsacha!ask | vincent12:51
ubotuvincent: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)12:51
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CyronDepends how hard your questions are vincent :)12:51
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jende_nino: have you made it and succeeded?12:52
eilkerxsacha:  i cant login with my username and password, but it is ok, because i use it in console ,and no problem, do u have any idea for this?12:52
jeleilker: maybe you have capslock on in the X login screen (it's independent from the console screen's key settings).  Or... did you actually click in the box?  If it still doesn't work... what you  mean, by "can't log in"?12:52
vincent_but I have tons of questions :p But ok ok, here is my first one12:52
houssemanynone have tryed amule ???12:52
jelhoussem: yep12:52
eilkerjel: it doesnt accept my password12:52
nagyvjel: firefox started very sloowly, swiftfox is a bit better12:52
vincent_I have a prob to shutdown my computer. I uninstalled all the acpid and acpm stuffs, but it didn't solve the prob12:53
houssemjel: do you know the option that crypt the protocole ??12:53
vincent_I had a look on the config file where you find HALT=... and HALT=poweroff12:53
eilkerjel: it keeps asking correct password, i added new user, same for it too12:53
jelnagyv: there's a bug in the c++ compiler which makes apps start slowly.  optimising won't help a lot.12:53
jelhoussem: hmm... nope, never seen it :)12:53
jelhoussem: why?12:53
houssemjel: this option exists in emule 0.47b but i haven't found it in amule :(12:54
jelnagyv: on the other hand, konqueror is very fast, and can be preloaded :)12:54
vincent_when I click on shutdown or reboot, everything close but the power remains on and I hear the fans in the computer ...12:54
jelhoussem: ahh.12:54
nagyvjel: I was trying to stick with it, I was trying it so hard, but I miss some nifty extensions so much, that it was impossible12:55
ninomine says no poweroff fixup found your hardware found12:55
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jelhoussem: probably just a new thing that hasn't filtered through to other clients yet.  Or maybe the people who make the other clients think it's not really that useful, or that it doesn't work as advertised, or something.12:55
jelnagyv: :)12:55
houssemjel: it's the only soluton to download with emule when we have a provider that block the p2p12:55
jelyour extensions will probably slow down loading a lot too.12:55
jelhoussem: it's probably easier to set your client to use another port12:56
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houssemjel: no it's not suffisent12:56
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jelhoussem: ahh, ok.  They're playing hardball :)12:56
houssemjel: yes :) lol12:57
houssemjel: they doesn't block ports but the protocole12:57
jelhoussem: there is also xmule, and mldonkey...  one of those might support it.  amule is nicer, though :)12:57
jelhoussem: giFT might also work?12:57
houssemjel: xmule ?? i don't know it12:58
houssemjel: there's a emule like ?12:58
jelhoussem: similar to amule, but more ugly.  I'm not sure if it has more features, or less.  Never used it much.12:58
scheuriI just say "gtk-gnutella"...;)12:58
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jelxmule and mldonkey are both emule compatible, yes12:58
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jgomez_just one quick question... how can I enable the root account in kubuntu?12:59
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jgomez_of what is the default password for root?12:59
houssemjel: ok thanks for these informations i will try these clients12:59
scheurijgomez_: the password for root is, easily spoken, disabled12:59
jeljgomez_: there is no default.  Instead, you use your same password to prove who YOU are, and then you're automatically allowed to be root.12:59
jgomez_but i would like doing su root01:00
scheurijgomez_: it was generated at install time...and you dont know it...your user, however, has root-priviliges01:00
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)01:00
scheurijgomez_: if you really wand to to so...then go to CLI and type "sudo passwd root"....01:00
jeljgomez_: then do sudo -s, and when you get a shell, add a root password using the passwd command.01:00
jgomez_scheuri: i have tried apt-get upgrade with my user and i cant01:00
jgomez_okey thansk01:01
scheurijgomez_: well, you need to type "sudo" in front of a command that needs root proiviliges01:01
jeljgomez_: if you do sudo passwd root, remember that the first time it asks for a password, that's for YOUR password, to get root access.  Then, you enter a new root password01:01
scheurijgomez_: but giving root a password...do at own risk01:01
ubotusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.01:02
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nagyvjgomez_: ^^01:02
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jgomez_thanks a lot01:02
jelanyone know if there are plans to move to a SSO config/directory service in ubuntu server?01:02
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jgomez_it is strange but kubunto doesnt detect my video setting althoug it is an old one01:03
jgomez_i guess i should update01:03
nagyvjel: I would recommend to you to ask this question at #ubuntu, anyway that's closer to the core01:05
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jelnagyv: good point, thanks01:06
xsachaanyone know what this means: QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image01:08
xsachakwin tells me that, twice, when it starts01:08
nino_donno sorry01:08
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sloefHi guys ... had some difficulties with my wireless internet ... (I'm on wire now)01:11
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sloefhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29699/ ... can anyone see what is wrong with my sources.list? (I would like to upgrade to edgy)01:12
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sloefhttp://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/Release Unable to find expected entry  updates/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)01:13
sloefhttp://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/Release Unable to find expected entry  security/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)01:13
momaledgy -security <--01:13
momaltake those spaces out01:13
momalshould be like edgy-security01:13
momalsame with the updates one... by the looks of it01:14
sloefmomal: ok ... excellent ... thanks01:14
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momalyou were on dapper right?01:14
sloefmomal: yes01:15
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momalhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29711/ <-- that is my sources.list file... so if you still have problems try it :)01:16
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sloefmomal: thanks ... I'm upgrading right now (don't have sufficient diskspace for dist-upgrade atm)01:17
houssemjel: you are here ?01:18
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sloefmomal: do you often compile from source?01:18
jelhoussem: just got back.01:18
houssemjel: i think that i found a better idea01:18
jelhoussem: why for? :)01:18
jelhoussem: ooh?01:19
momalnot if there is a deb around for it i wont... but few things i have to01:19
houssemjel: i will use wine to run emule0.47 c on linux01:19
jelhoussem: ahhh.  I thought the latest version was available for linux, but you just didn't want to use emule for some reason.  Yeah, that would work :)01:19
houssemjel: because there isn't any version of amule that support the protocole encryption01:20
jelhoussem: or, rather, I suppose it work work, and if it does, it would solve your problem :)01:20
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houssemjel: do you know how to activate the command "ll" ?01:20
jelhoussem: the ls alternative?01:21
houssemjel: yes! ls -l01:21
jelhoussem: it's in your .bashrc file if I recall correctly01:21
jeljust uncomment01:21
houssemjel: where can i found it ?01:21
jelnano ~/.bashrc01:21
jelfrom a konsole :)01:21
houssemjel: ooh yeah! thanks you are the best ! :)01:22
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jelhoussem: welcome :)01:22
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ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)01:23
SHRIKEEwhat does that mean?01:23
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jelSHRIKEE: X has its own authorisation system which decides who can open windows on the screen.  If you can't, it usually means that you've switch to another user account, and your authorisation hasn't been transferred with you.  Are you using su by any chance?01:28
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SHRIKEEi ran, sudo kvpnc01:28
SHRIKEEif i just click it in the menu it doesnt show at all, so i tried from the console and got that01:29
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jelSHRIKEE: from an xtrminal like konsole, right?01:29
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SHRIKEEkonsole yes01:29
nino_how do i test if java is working??01:29
jelnino_: run a java program :)   java -v is a good start though :)01:29
nino_ok thx01:30
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jelSHRIKEE: gimme a sec :)01:31
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jelSHRIKEE: ohh, it still runs right?   that's normal, when you run stuff as root.  I guess it's the KDE app trying to register itself with your kde session and stuff, but since it's not "you" running it, kde won't allow the registration01:36
SHRIKEEit starts yes01:37
SHRIKEEbut not from the k-menu01:37
SHRIKEEit just does nothing when i click it in the k-menu01:37
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houssemjel: i have another probleme :)01:38
yumaanyone is having trouble running OpenGL aplications?01:38
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yumalike, Illegal Instruction when going fullscreen and so?01:39
SHRIKEEdidnt notice such, yuma01:39
SHRIKEEbut im not using to much opengl01:39
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jelSHRIKEE: if you right click on the menu, you can see what commands it runs.  Try that same command from a konsole01:39
houssemi tried to lunch emule with wine and i have this message "Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly."01:39
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yumahmm, I had some programs that used to work and now it doesn't and I didn't changed a thing in the code...01:40
jelyuma: nope.  Illegal instruction suggests that the app/game you're trying to run is compiled for a different cpu, like an athlon/pentium401:40
SHRIKEEjel: sudo -X -c /usr/bin/kvpnc01:40
yumahoussem: DISPLAY=:0 wine whatever01:40
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yumajel: Impossible, it's compiled by me in the same computer01:40
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SHRIKEEtells me -X is illegal01:40
houssemyuma: i don't understand :(01:40
jelSHRIKEE: yep, doesn't work with my version of sudo either.  Remove the -X, and it should work01:41
yumahoussem: Put 'DISPLAY=:0' before the command you use to run emule01:41
SHRIKEEit then tells me -c is illegal :o01:41
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SHRIKEEremove that too?01:41
jelyep :)01:41
fdovingSHRIKEE: run 'xhost local:' first (without sudo). then try again.01:41
snikkercat work also with binary files?01:42
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jelfdoving: no, it works, it's just the command that's wrong.01:42
houssemyuma: i type DISPLAY=:0 in my console ??01:42
SHRIKEEsudo /usr/bin/kvpnc01:42
SHRIKEEshrikee@shrikee-laptop:~$ xhost local01:42
SHRIKEElocal being added to access control list01:42
fdovingSHRIKEE: you left out the : at the end.01:42
fdovingSHRIKEE: 'xhost -local' and then 'xhost local:'01:43
jelSHRIKEE: I'd guess it was originally made for a debian or other system, which uses root, and su rather than sudo, and then they just changed su to sudo, without changing the args01:43
yumahoussem: Yes, put "DISPLAY=:0 wine emule" for example, without the "01:43
SHRIKEEshrikee@shrikee-laptop:~$ xhost local:01:43
SHRIKEEnon-network local connections being added to access cont01:43
jelI think xhost local: is a security risk.01:43
SHRIKEEhow is it?01:43
SHRIKEEwhat does it do :o01:43
fdovingallows all local users to connect to your X session.01:43
jelI don't know the command well, but... doesn't it let anyone on localhost use X?01:44
houssemyuma: don't work! i have the error message01:44
jelthat's not good :)01:44
fdovingbasically allows other users on your machine to show their programs to you.01:44
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jelor anyone with any account on your machine to access your screen, and everything you type/see01:44
yumahoussem: Why don't you use a native linux emule client?01:44
SHRIKEEhmm, there are no other users on this computer01:45
SHRIKEEits a laptop :p01:45
yumaSHRIKEE: maybe "nobody" can log your keyboard01:45
fdovingthen it's not a problem.01:45
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jelSHRIKEE: there are.  There are special accounts for background services etc.  Quite a few of them.  If any part of your system is hacked, then they can get into your screen next01:45
SHRIKEEahh ok01:45
fdovingjel: nonsense.01:45
jelSHRIKEE: the normal security setup is there for a reason.01:45
jelfdoving: no it's not.  I'm qualified in security, are you?01:46
MidMarkhi again01:46
SHRIKEEso is local: a risk or not01:46
MidMarkI've problem with k3b!01:46
SHRIKEEkeep or remove?01:46
MidMarkit doesn't close session...01:46
MidMarkanyone else?01:46
jelMidMark: there's a setting in the prefs for that.01:46
fdovingjel: if the computer is hacked it's hacked. the badguy can do worse things than accessing your X screen.01:46
jelfdoving: wrong.01:46
jelfdoving: maybe on a windows 95 pc, that's true, not on any reasonably secure multi-user system01:47
yumathis is getting interesting01:47
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MidMarkjel: do you mean when burning?01:47
jelfdoving: now, if it's ROOTED, they can do anything, but that's a different class of hack, and usually the result of a simpler hack01:48
sloefAm I still connected?01:48
jende_sloef: yep01:48
jelMidMark: If you right click on the root of the disk you're creating, it might be in tehre.01:48
jelMidMark: ie, right-click, choose properties, then go through the tabs, and look for something like "close session" or "finalise session".01:49
sloefjende_: k ... Konqueror doesn't work anymore during the upgrade ...01:49
sloefThought konversation would have the same faith01:49
MidMarkjel: in the write option there is incremental, dao, auto01:49
MidMarkand overwrite... choose auto01:50
xunix_help.. can i change my desktop resolution?01:50
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exhaleum. yea?01:51
jelxunix_: yes, just go into the system settings, and it's available under display01:51
jelxunix: unless you have a very unusual or poorly supported graphics card01:52
yumacould anyone try a program just to check if going fullscreen works?01:52
xunixjel: yup.. ty..01:53
yumaI give the code (or binary if you trust)01:53
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jelMidMark: it's under the "Settings" tab, in a combo box.01:53
jende_sloef: since or during?01:53
ubuntuSie hi01:54
ubuntumain kapitane01:54
jelxunix: welcome :)01:54
ubuntuich bin gitler01:54
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sloefjende_: during ... but also since (although I did an apt-get upgrade since I didn't have sufficient diskspace for dist-upgrade)01:54
MidMarkjel: so I've done with start new session01:54
ubuntuich komme aus Deutschland01:54
MidMarkbut it doesn't close01:54
ubuntuich bin fucking your fucking chat01:54
exhalei hate trolls01:55
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jende_sloef: you have to make a dist-upgrade, otherwise your system will be more than just unstable01:55
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sloefjende_: working on that as we speak ... as I said ... didn't have sufficient diskspace to do a dist-upgrade from the start01:55
jende_sloef: no wonder konqueror is not working01:55
jende_sloef: as long as you havent made a dist-upgrade konqi wont work01:56
MidMarkjel: there isn't close session, there are: start new session, continue, close disc, no session...01:56
sloefjende_: give me 6 more minutes to download ...01:57
MidMarkif I put star new session should be close or not?01:57
jende_sloef: no worries01:57
jelMidMark: ohh, I was thinking you wanted close disc.   Sessions are always closed, but then continued... aren't they?01:57
MidMarkjel: with dapper all ok, with edgy I've burned two dvd, one dvd-r and one dvd+rw and both have the first session non-closed, after added some data I can see both sessions01:58
MidMarkthis can let me think that first session were not closed and with the second one both are01:58
harmentaldoes anybody know how to use ggz servers??01:59
MidMarkfdoving: if you have priviledges change topic: s/Dapper/Esgy02:00
MidMarkEdgy :)02:00
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MidMarkjel: have you tried some dvd with edgy?02:01
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fdovingMidMark: thanks for the notice :)02:02
jelMidMark: hmm... maybe one of the options has changed in the programs that k3b calls or something.  You could check the manpages for them, and make sure k3b is using the right settings.  If it's a rare thing, then to close a session, you can just add any small file, and write it.02:02
kimmernHey! I just installed Kubuntu edgy a couple of days ago..never used linux before..an usually 3-4 times a day the system just hangs! can't do anything! I've got a copy of a somekind of loop in the sys-log..pastebin doesn't work, I don't wanna flood the channel, so if anyone wants to take a look at it, if that can be the problem, please let me know! Thanks!02:02
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jelMidMark: yes, but not a fresh edgy install... I've been following edgy's development for a while now.  Could be very slightly different.02:02
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MidMarkjel: I've a dapper updated edgy02:03
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MidMarkkimmern: !paste02:04
jende_kimmern: hmmm...pastebin should work, at least it worked just a few secs ago02:04
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)02:04
awebHi all, ive been haveing a problem with the nvidia driver - http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=10552.0 anyone got any ideas ?02:05
kimmernjende: waited five minutes, and nothing happends...02:06
kimmernjende: now firefox wanted me to save a pastebin.php file..can't open it in firefox..:S02:07
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fdovingjel: if you don't want to allow all local connections you can use 'xhost +si:$(whoami):root' then the intruders would have to become you, or root to connect to the x-server. That's if you're paranoid.02:07
jende_kimmern: maybe you should have started with DapperDrake as that is the most stable (K)Ubuntu release.Eventhough I just cant really follow you02:08
kimmernok, i found another place to paste..the thing is that I am connected wireless at eth1..http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/23263902:09
jelfdoving: one man's paranoia is another man's necessary precaution.   I'll stick with the usual way.02:09
kimmernbut in my sys log it constantly tries to connect to eth0..every minute almost..02:09
fdovingjel: the kubutu way would be to use 'kdesu' for X programs.02:09
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houssemi have installed avifile-player but i don't how to execute it02:10
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jende_kimmern: the way you're connected is not important for paste.ubuntu, however what tells you a 'sudo route'02:10
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jelfdoving: that's a good point :)02:11
jende_kimmern: pastebin that as well pleasse and if possible your /etc/network/interfaces02:11
jelfdoving: I was checking with a command line, but for the menu thing, I should have told him to use kdesud02:11
kimmernjende: http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/23264702:12
fdovingjel: as all x programs will require X, using kdesu shouldn't be a problem for most, and kdesu can be used from the commandline (you will have to input the password graphically though.)02:12
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houssemi have installed avifile-player but i don't how to execute it02:13
jelfdoving: sure, but for a command line, kdesu is unnecessarily slow.  I like guis as much as anyone, but I find kdesu from the prompt tedious02:13
kimmernjende: didn't see the last one..this is everyting you asked for:02:14
jelhoussem: aviplay, if I remember correctly.  A good way to find out such things is with dpkg -L avifile-player | grep bin02:14
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fdovingjel: the command I gave you before was wrong, should be 'xhost +si:localuser:root' fyi.02:15
jende_kimmern: hmmm...can you manually connect to the WWW via eth0?02:16
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jelfdoving: OK, thanks :)02:16
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jende_kimmern: sudo ifconfig eth0
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jende_kimmern: sudo add default gw <ipofyourrouter>02:17
jende_kimmern: sudo route02:17
houssemjel: i have this error "aviplay: cannot connect to X server :0.0" when i lunch avifile02:17
jende_kimmern whats the output?02:17
jelfdoving: hmm... you can add kerberos users and stuff with xhost?  That's cool :)02:17
fdovingyou can do everything x-acl-related with xhost.02:17
jelhoussem: where are you running it from?02:18
houssemfrom the console02:18
jelfdoving: cool.  I figured it was just for machines.  That's good to know :)02:18
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kimmernjende: no, I don't use eth0 at all...eth0 is wired network, and if I plug in a cabel it automaticly connects..but I only use wireless..the only output on the last one is add: command not found...you understood that I was only wondering why my system hangs all the time..if this could be the reason? that it always try to connect to eth0...?02:18
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jende_kimmern: yep, that will/might be the reason02:19
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jelhoussem: that's strange.  Are you running it as root?02:19
jende_kimmern: so, you basically dont want to use the eth0 at all?02:20
houssemjel: i lunched it from x and it works !!02:20
pointwoodwhat is the command in linux for the windows "ipconfig /renew" command and others? is there a linux network troubleshooting guide somewhere?02:20
jelhoussem: good stuff :)02:20
jelpointwood: ifdown interface; ifup interface is the best way to reset a nic.   or /etc/init.d/network restart for everything.02:21
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jelpointwood: the DIRECT way is dhclient interface, but that might not setup everything like the system normally would on boot02:22
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kimmernjende: updated the pastebin: http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/232657 ..I want to have eth0 in case I have to use wired network, so I don't want to disable it..02:22
jende_kimmern: ???02:22
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kimmernjende: maybe sudo ifconfig eth0 down ..? think that could work?02:23
pointwoodjel: ok, the reason is that I currently have wimax connection and it is not exactly stable which means that I sometimes get an apipa address02:24
jende_kimmern: down the eth002:24
jelpointwood: ahh.   Yeah ifdown followed by ifup would be simplest.02:24
pointwoodI've used ifdown interface and ifup interface and also ifconfig interface down/up, but they don't always do the trick02:25
kimmernjende: i'll just try this and hope the system won't crash again..02:25
pointwooda reboot works though02:25
jende_kimmern and have a look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wlassistant/+bug/6484102:25
pointwoodbut I hate having to reboot just for that :)02:25
jelpointwood: you're probably seeing it work after boot because boots take longer, and the bad conditions have gone away by then.02:25
kimmernjende: ok. many thanks for helping!02:26
pointwoodthis wimax connection is just temporary02:26
jende_kimmern: you're welcome...don't even know if I was of any good help02:26
pointwoodI should get a new connection before christmas02:26
jelpointwood: a better (directional?) antenna or moving the access point closer might be a better solution02:27
kimmernjende: at least you tried :)02:27
jelpointwood: cool.02:27
jende_kimmern: *ggg*02:27
jende_see ya02:27
pointwoodjel: fiber :)02:27
jelpointwood: sweet :D02:28
pointwoodjel: you bet :D cheap 10/10mbit will be quite nice I think :)02:29
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Emessmmm kaffeine still wont open :S02:31
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jelpointwood: how cheap, and how far?02:31
pointwoodaround $63/month02:32
pointwoodhow far?02:32
|lostbyte|XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode ?02:32
|lostbyte|what is this ?02:32
pointwoodwhat do you mean with that?02:32
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|lostbyte|When i run xawtv, i get "X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode"02:33
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ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto02:36
psb154xawtv -nodga I believe should work.02:36
jelkimmern: I'm just catching up with your problem now... you have a wireless card, and just want to stop eth0 trying to connect unless you actually need it?02:36
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jelpointwood: I meant, how far is your isp from you?02:37
kimmernjel: excactly!02:38
kimmernjel: tried sudo ifconfig eth0 down, but it still tries to connect..02:38
jelkimmern: just edit /etc/network/interfaces, and remove the "auto eth0" line.    When you want it on, run sudo ifup eth0, and when you want it down, run sudo ifdown eth002:39
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jelkimmern: ermm... that's assuming that things haven't changed too much with edgy :)02:39
pointwoodjel: it is the power company that's laying down fiber to everyone that wants it. They own the fiber and another company is providing the services (internet, tv, voip). several power companies have started laying down fiber all over the country (here in denmark). The old telecom monopoly is of course not happy about that :)02:40
jelpointwood: nice :)02:40
snikkeri've update to edgy but in the boot screen i can't see the text lines, i can see only the kubuntu logo. why?02:40
kimmernjel: oki! hope this'll work!02:40
jelsnikker: you're not supposed to, but if you remove usplash, that'll stop.02:40
jelsnikker: you can still ctrl-alt-f1 to a console though02:41
pointwoodjel: yeah, it certainly lowers the prices :) I could get 25/25mbit too, but it would cost me ~$30 more and I think I will be able to live with 10/10 for now :)02:41
jelkimmern: good luck :)02:41
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jelpointwood: hehheh :)02:41
jelpointwood: that's a lot of downloads ;)02:41
bianconeriI get this error in audacity  "error while opening sound device. Please check the output device settings and the project sample rate" when clicking on the play button of an mp3....I am on a Kubuntu Edgy box02:41
pointwood25/25 would just be bragging :p02:42
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jelgive the webservers a chance to catch up ;)02:42
kimmernjel: if you're still here in a couple of minutes i'll let you know what the syslog says!02:42
pointwoodjel: compared to my current temp wimax connection of 160/128, it will be quite a change :)02:42
jelkimmern: that reminds me, I'm supposed to be going somewhere! :)02:42
snikkerjel: but it's only a my problem or the developer havechanced it?02:43
kimmernjel: did't work that either..but thanks anyway:)02:43
pointwoodI'm going to give the connection a nice burn in with some kubuntu and ubuntu torrents :p02:43
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jelsnikker: nope, it's the new, non-confusing boot screen for newbies :)02:43
bianconeriI get this error in audacity "error while opening sound device. Please check the output device settings and the project sample rate" when clicking on the play button of an mp3....I am on a Kubuntu Edgy box...anybody?02:43
jelpointwood: yesh, those are the torrents I would download too ;)02:43
snikkerjel: ah, ok...02:44
snikkerjel: and there is a way to get it as in dapper?02:44
jelbianconeri: try pkill -9 arts from a konsole, and then open audacity right after02:44
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jelsnikker: graphical, but with textual info?  I'm not sure.  That would be nice.02:45
jelsnikker: it does lots of boot stuff in parallel now, so it's probably harder to say "right now, I'm doing X".  I guess they'll work on that though.02:46
gsuveganyone use kblogger ?02:46
bianconerijel: Nope didnt work same error02:46
snikkerjel: well, in the dapper i had the kubuntu logo and the text line for init operations...02:46
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gsuvegor other blogger app for kde ?02:46
jelbianconeri: hmm... do you have a soundcard installed?  Have you heard any sounds so far?02:46
bianconerilol ya of course:D02:47
bianconeribeen pumping that Amarok for ages;)02:47
jelbianconeri: just eliminating possibilities one at a time :)02:47
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jelbianconeri: any gnome apps?02:47
jelis amarok running now?02:47
bianconeriya i understand....installed kubuntu a couple of days ago...been on gnome for ages...02:48
bianconerisound is running perfectly, amarok, kopete, ff2 all02:48
houssemhow to modify my local ip ?? wich file to edit ?02:48
houssemhow to modify my local ip ?? wich file to edit ?02:48
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jelhmm... OK... well, look in the preferences for audacity, and see what the output device is set to, if anything.  Normally it's fine and just picks the first device though.02:49
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houssemhow to modify my local ip ?? wich file to edit ?02:49
Kabal(n00b question)02:49
KabalI'm trying to delete thumbs in the ./thumbnails02:49
Kabalrm *.png does not work02:49
Kabalit says: Argument list too long02:49
KabalHow can I solve this?02:49
bianconerijel: in I/O I got /dev/dsp...its the only choice though02:49
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kimmernKabal: try sudo rm -rf *.png02:50
seaLnekabel "for i in *.png; do rm $i;done"02:50
seaLnekimmern: that won't make any difference02:51
houssemhow to modify my local ip on my LAN ?? wich file to edit ?02:51
seaLnesudo is not the answer to all problems :P02:51
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kimmernok :p02:51
Kabalkimmern: that doesn't work either02:52
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kimmernKabal: try seaLne's answer ;)02:52
jelbianconeri: all I can think of is a more extensive kill of other stuff: unload amarok etc, and run pkill -9 for alsa, esd, and jackd02:52
KabalseaLne: don't understand the command02:53
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seaLnetype/paste that without the quotes02:53
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seaLne";" is equivalent to pressing return02:53
seaLnefor i in *.png02:53
seaLnerm $i02:54
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seaLnebecause you have so many files you can try deleting each of them in turn in a loop02:54
KabalseaLne: 100% CPU now hehe02:54
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KabalseaLne: thanx for the explanation02:55
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terraloxhi @all02:58
KabalseaLne: can it take hours to delete 4Gb of thumbs?02:58
seaLneit can take a long time02:59
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Kabalok thnx02:59
ugnhallo an alle02:59
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kraut_for those who have problems to starting vmware after dist-upgrade to ubuntu/edgy: http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?messageID=49931703:00
ugni've a problem with aixgl and derel03:01
Emessanyone know where the thing for controlloingnwether the windows on one desktop are in all taskbars or not is?03:02
ugndoes anyone have expereances with that?03:02
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Emessderel? no03:03
ugnderyl :)03:03
seaLneEmess: right click on the taskbar (panel menu) configure panel, taskbar, untick show windows from all screens03:03
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seaLneor tick depending on wat you want03:04
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ugni install the radeon dreiver for my ati 9600 and it seams to work03:04
livingdaylightsomeone gave me a .deb file for W32 yesterday.. I need it again... :| anyone have it handy?03:04
ugnso i installed deryl (on edgy)03:04
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ugnbefore i did a reboot it worked fine03:05
ugnbunt after reboot edgy doesnt come up03:05
ugnfreez at the time kde should start03:05
ugnanyone ideas?03:05
terraloxrunning on edgy since weekend. few probs so far. annoying : kubuntu overwrites LD_LIBRARY_PATH and ld ignores ld.conf.so settings anyway.  solutions  ?03:07
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BluesKajCan anyone tell me how to get rid of the previously used kernels listed in the boot page ?03:08
shan`i keep getting dcd frequently03:08
blizzzBluesKaj: dpkg -i <kernel>03:08
thykohow do i turn on default syntax higlighting on emacs?03:08
BluesKaji just want Edgy and windows partitions to show03:08
BluesKajblizzz, will that command give me a list of options ?03:09
blizzzyou have to replace <kernel> with the kernels name you want to remove. it is going to be deinstalled then.03:10
BluesKajok, thx03:11
blizzzi think you get a list of names when you type the first letters and then press tab03:11
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claudiowhen I try to see an mpeg files, kaffeine give me an error03:15
claudioir32_32.dll not found03:15
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claudiowhat can do?03:15
claudiowhat i can do?03:15
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blizzzclaudio: are libxine-extracodecs installed??03:18
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claudioblizzz: i don't think03:18
blizzztry it ;)03:18
claudioblizzz: what repository i must activate to download that pack?03:20
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blizzzcluadio: multiverse03:21
claudioblizzz: on what server?03:21
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blizzzit must be one of the official repos, but i do not exactly know which03:22
Jucato!multiverse | claudio03:22
ubotuclaudio: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu03:22
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claudioblizzz: to update cache?03:23
blizzzclaudio: as i see now, i think i named you the wrong package. it is for playing mp3. instead you should try w32codecs and/or gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg03:24
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Jucatoblizzz: libxine-extracodecs also covers mpeg as well, iirc03:25
claudioblizzz: i modified sources.list03:25
BluesKajis there an editor for the bootlist that actually works  or am doing something wrong when using the edit optins ..the delete command "d" is supposed to remove lines in the bootloader, and the listed kernels aren't even installed, but the bootloader insists on listing them03:25
blizzzjucato: thanks03:25
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claudioblizzz: i modified /etc/apt/sources.list03:25
blizzzclaudio: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs03:25
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KubuntuHello I'm having a problem updating03:26
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ironfroggyis anyone using Kopete with an AIM account here?03:28
DaSkreechgood morning nikkiana03:28
DaSkreechironfroggy: I am03:28
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nikkianamorning DaSkreech03:28
fdovingironfroggy: problems connecting?03:28
ironfroggyDaSkreech: any trouble recently?\03:28
ironfroggyfdoving: yes03:28
DaSkreechironfroggy: Every day since I installed it in Feb03:29
ironfroggyDaSkreech: i havent had any problems until yesterday03:29
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ironfroggyjust continually tries to connect, but never does.03:29
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fdovingironfroggy: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/ - pick the version that matches your setup.03:29
KubuntuWhat should I do If I can't update?03:29
DaSkreechnikkiana: How are you?03:29
Jucato!upgrade | Kubuntu03:30
ubotuKubuntu: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)03:30
KubuntuJucato: That's upgrading I mean updating03:30
KubuntuUbuntu 6.10 \n \l03:31
KubuntuThat's my /etc/issue :)03:31
JucatoKubuntu: updating? as in sudo apt-get update only?03:31
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Jucatowhat's the problem?03:31
nikkianaDaSkreech: not too shabby :)03:31
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ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)03:32
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Digital_PioneerHi. I need something like modprobe.conf....03:32
Digital_PioneerBut I can't find a file of that name.03:32
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Digital_PioneerIs it the same as /etc/modprobe.d/options?03:33
KubuntuJucato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29728/plain/03:33
ironfroggyfdoving: can you tell me what that update actually does? looks like its a fix to the problem of not properly failing to connect.03:33
jelDigital_Pioneer: possibly; not sure.03:33
jelDigital_Pioneer: try it and see :)03:33
manchickenSo all of my silly wifi problems were simply me overengineering the problem.03:33
fdovingironfroggy: yes, the problem is that the OSCAR servers have changed.03:33
manchickenbcm43xx-fwcutter did the job, and did it well.03:33
DaSkreechironfroggy: What version are you using?03:33
Digital_Pioneerjel: Well, are you familiar with what goes into /etc/modprobe.d/options?03:34
fdovingironfroggy: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/69494 for more info.03:34
ironfroggyfdoving: ok thanks03:34
ironfroggyDaSkreech: whatever is latest in apt03:34
JucatoKubuntu: hm... strange error, and one that I'm not familiar with... I wonder if fdoving can help..03:34
Kubuntuhi fdoving :)03:34
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jelDigital_Pioneer: actually, looking at it, yes, it looks the same03:34
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fdovingI can't help you right now, sorry. I have to go.03:34
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DaSkreechironfroggy: Which apt ?03:35
Digital_Pioneerjel: Good. Perhaps you can tell me exactly what this other guy was saying... He told me to put something into modprobe.conf....03:35
DaSkreechDapper or edgy?03:35
fdovingKubuntu, jucato check that the source.list doesn't contain multiple instances of any repository.03:35
Jucatofdoving: ah so that happens when you have multiple instances?03:36
JucatoKubuntu: you heard that. pastebin your sources.list please :)03:36
fdovingJucato: i think i've seen that before, yes. It's my first guess.03:36
fdovingHave to go now, hope you figure it out.03:36
Jucatofdoving: ok thanks. bye! :)03:36
KubuntuJucato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29729/plain/03:36
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jelKubuntu: try just doing sudo apt-get update again03:37
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Kubuntujel: I tried that a couple times03:37
JucatoKubuntu: not exactly sure if it has anything to do with it, but there's a blank space at the start of the universe multiverse line...03:37
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JucatoKubuntu: if removing that blank space doesn't work, try using a different mirror/server03:38
KubuntuLets try that03:38
jelKubuntu: with much delay in-between?  Just, it could be that the file was being updated as you downloaded it, and so it wasn't valid for a short while.03:38
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fdovingKubuntu, jucato, you can also try to clean /var/lib/apt - now i'm really gone. Bye.03:38
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panchoHi. Any help on playing mp3s on edgy 64?03:38
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DaSkreechpancho: tried installing libxine-extracodecs ?03:39
JucatoKubuntu: try "sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoclean" then update again03:39
rhodrihi does anyone know a way of creating a device node for an iso image?03:39
jelrhodri: you don't need to.  use mount -o loop03:39
Jucatowhoa! the first update since release!!03:40
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rhodrii don't want to mount it like that, i want the iso to act like a device node... can i do that?  (if that even makes sense...)03:40
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KubuntuJucato, jel: between the two of you thanks. Something worked03:40
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Jucatolol! no problem03:40
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DaSkreechHi aseigo. Sup?03:41
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KubuntuJucato: While I was updating :-P03:42
jelKubuntu: probably mostly Jucato, but you're welcome :)03:42
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DaSkreechaseigo: partied hardy?03:43
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aseigodammit. i wish updates showed the -reason- for the update in adept. grrr03:44
panchoDaSkreech: where can I find it. I read about it but could not find it.03:44
aseigoDaSkreech: no, took the boy out trick or treating03:44
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Jucatoaseigo: yeah...03:45
admkillalgum br?03:45
Jucatothe "Show Details" isn't pretty detailed03:45
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rhodrihi does anyone know a way of creating a device node for an iso image?03:45
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DaSkreech!multiverse > pancho03:46
aseigowell, at least the sky2 driver is still totally screwed in edgy =(03:46
DaSkreechaseigo: Well adept is currently unmaintained:-) Wanna patch it?03:46
admkillplis help me brazil03:46
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ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.03:46
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DaSkreechJucato, aseigo: I think that it's pretty simple as well. It simply doesnt currently pull from changelogs.ubuntu.com (or org)03:47
JucatoDaSkreech: yeah.. it needs a lot of work. Adept I mean...03:48
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DaSkreechJucato: What's the list you have for the shortcomings adept is adept at?03:49
Kubuntuanyone ever rebuilt a NTFS MFT?03:49
panchoDaSkreech: sorry, kind of newbie, ?_? @ '!multiverse > pancho'03:49
JucatoDaSkreech: huh?03:49
DaSkreech!multiverse | pancho03:49
ubotupancho: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu03:49
Jucatopancho: you were sent a link/URL for a guide03:49
Jucatooh there03:49
panchoI know03:50
jelKubuntu: mft?  is that like the filesystem's directory structure or something?03:50
DaSkreechJucato: You said that it is not adept. so you obviously think it has shortcomings. :) What are the shortcomings of Adept?03:50
panchojucato: I know, I Read it. Its about the repositories.03:50
DaSkreechpancho: did You read the multiverse section ?03:50
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DaSkreechpancho: do you have Multiverse enabled?03:50
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DaSkreechHI Mez03:52
panchoDaSkreech: Yes sr. I have, and I have enabled all multiverse. Was that correct?03:52
Mezhi DaSkreech #03:52
JucatoDaSkreech: let's start with an almost horrible UI (at least not for your regular or new user). Then there's the inability to handle some ncurses-based dialog boxes like the License Agreement of Java, Flash, and VMWare. I think I made a list of it somewhere in the forums...03:52
DaSkreechpancho: did you type it in yourself?03:52
Jucatohi Mez!03:53
DaSkreechpancho: or did you just enable a line that said multiverse?03:53
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Mez] hi Jucato03:53
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Mezberyl doesnt like me03:53
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Jucatoberyl doesn't like a lot of people :)03:53
panchoDaSkreech: Yes sr. I just enabled it.03:53
DaSkreechJucato: I think that the ncurses thing is solved if you install the recommended packages for adept03:53
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JucatoDaSkreech: more than the packages installed by default? that should not be the case then03:54
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DaSkreechpancho: Ok look for a line that reads to the tune of deb http://jm.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe03:54
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manchickenOkay, so in order to use flash9, I have to use firefox in 32-bit.03:54
jelmanchicken: nope03:55
manchickenjel: No?  Do tell.03:55
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jelmanchicken: oh, well, it'll work in konqueror, is what I mean, but that won't solve the 64/32 thing; never mind :)03:55
manchickenI'm trying to set up a version of firefox to run in 32-bit so that I can use flash with it.03:56
DaSkreechJucato: shhhhh03:56
DaSkreechpancho: How are you doing this? from adept or from an editor?03:57
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jelmanchicken: if you don't mind a few extra clicks, you could probably set it up to launch flashplayer externally03:57
JucatoDaSkreech: some more, but still related to UI: dialogs to confirm actions, the use of debtags is not fully explained yet very (annoyingly) prominent, not feature to handle /var/cache/apt. Mange Repositories is almost the same as just manually editing sources.list03:57
manchickenjel: For work I need it to play as a plugin.03:57
Jucatos/not feature/no feature03:57
jelmanchicken: I see.03:57
DaSkreechJucato: Handle /var/cache/apt ?03:58
JucatoDaSkreech: sudo apt-get clean03:58
panchoDaSkreech: From Adept. I have Edgy.03:58
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manchickenjel: In SuSE I simply have Firefox installed as a i686 package.03:59
DaSkreechpancho: Ok on that line enable it and then on the part of the line that says universe click it03:59
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manchickenjel: Are you aware of a way to do this?03:59
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jelmanchicken: that would make sense.  Ubuntu x64 doesn't have a 32-bit firefox?  Does it have much 32-bit support?04:00
DaSkreechpancho: you shuld be able to edit it04:00
manchickenDunno.  Just installed it last night.04:00
DaSkreechpancho: after the word universe put a space and the word multiverse04:00
JucatoDaSkreech: bottom line, using Adept is almost the same as using apt-get...04:00
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DaSkreechJucato: but without having to know the commands04:00
DaSkreechJucato: Which makes it useful04:01
jelmanchicken: no, not really.  I could figure it out given an x64 system and a bit of time, but I haven't used x64 yet, personally.04:01
DaSkreechJucato: And it has the advantage of being able to remove packages that depend on the package you are removing04:01
Kubuntuanyone ever rebuilt a NTFS MFT?04:01
DaSkreechpancho: Let me know when you have done that04:01
panchoDaSkreech: From Adept. I have Edgy. I Did it. THANKs.04:01
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DaSkreechpancho: Ok so you have a line that reads univerese<space>multiverse04:02
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panchoDaSkreech: THANKS A LOT. ^_^04:02
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jelKubuntu: nope.  There is a second one though.  If they're both screwed, you've probably lost most of the files anyway I guess.04:02
DaSkreechpancho: click apply and then close. reload and get libxine-extracodecs04:02
snovvyhi all04:02
panchoDaSkreech: Yes and I already installed it.04:02
DaSkreech pancho: let me know when you are jamming to muzak04:02
DaSkreechAlright :)04:02
JucatoDaSkreech: "And it has the advantage of being able to remove packages that depend on the package you are removing" no it doesn't. at least in Dapper04:02
panchoDaSkreech: ALL RIGHT SR.04:03
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Kubuntujel: Sooo this is a worthless 200 GB hard drive?04:03
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about deb.conf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:03
manchickenI'll just try the 32-bit package and see if it knows what to do with it.04:04
manchickenI doubt it'll work.04:04
jelKubuntu: No!   It just means you've probably lost your files, should reformat, and restore from your digilently prepared backups ;)04:04
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Kubuntujel: What if this happened in the process of backing up?04:05
jelKubuntu: unless your hard drive makes horrible noises when you try to use it, or it just won't start at all, it's usually OK04:05
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Kubuntujel: But the files are gone?04:05
eilkerfriends what is xorg.conf for ?04:05
jelKubuntu: ideally, you'd have the earlier backup, plus some of the most recent files.04:05
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