[12:12] <cellofellow> cox377: ubuntu's firewall is configured to open all ports, even though it is running.
[12:13] <dom> exactly, intelikey.  i haven't setup flash on my machine and I don't miss it at all.  but I'm hardly a "mainstream" user
[12:13] <hektik> flash is pretty popular and needed for web surfing
[12:13] <cox377> cellofellow: ok cool, so whats "ps -A | grep sshd" about?
[12:13] <hektik> hrm.. my install is lagging at select a disk
[12:13] <cellofellow> cox377: it will show some output if sshd is running.
[12:13] <hektik> hourglass is just going
[12:13] <Bubba_Gump> flash imo, is only really needed for advertising and naff youtube videos
[12:13] <cox377> cellofellow: it doesnt show anything so i assume it hasnt started
[12:14] <|lostbyte|> When will flash 9 for linux be out ?
[12:14] <Bubba_Gump> flash 9 beta is already available
[12:14] <hektik> well if you dont know, youtube is a very popular site, thus meaning alot of people watch it and require flash to do so
[12:14] <dom> flash is definitely popular, but I wouldn't say it's required.  For basic "doing things", Java is a bigger problem then flash (in my experience)
[12:14] <dg6e74> im back if your still around
[12:14] <cellofellow> cox377: open the system services module in System Settings, become root, and make sure that sshd is set to start with runlevel 3
[12:14] <dom> required for "entertainment" purposes, but that's what automatix is for anyhow
[12:14] <cellofellow> cox377: if it isn't just set it to, and also start it.
[12:15] <intelikey> if the license agreement says "no more than one backup copy" i simply say, NO!   and move on.
[12:15] <cellofellow> cox377: the system services thing is a frontent to init
[12:15] <hektik> this konversation crap has too many colors in it
[12:15] <cellofellow> hektik: you can change that, it's linux.
[12:15] <Bubba_Gump> the best thing i've helped myself to do is easily distance my browser from the youtube sites and enjoy life with greater things...
[12:15] <michael___> Installing java now :-) thank U - I think it will work now !!!!
[12:15] <cox377> cellofellow: shall do now, thanks for the help - 2 secs
[12:16] <intelikey> seriously.  if you are required to agree to a leagle contract that you know you have no intention of keeping why even use their **** ?
[12:16] <mrkris> hello, wondering if i'm just slow or does kopete fail at fetching your older buddylist and importing like gaim does
[12:16] <hektik> i know, im on the kubuntu live cd right now so its not important right now
[12:16] <intelikey> just say   NO !
[12:17] <shiv> Whats wrong with this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29622/ I get 0x7 error when trying to load windows from grub. Please help
[12:17] <cellofellow> intelikey: cause the chances of getting caught are very slim. I think.
[12:17] <cox377> cellofellow: working now ; )
[12:17] <intelikey> cellofellow you are caught already.
[12:17] <hektik> scanning disk hangs at 50%. any idea ?
[12:17] <intelikey> cellofellow getting caught has nothing to do with it.
[12:18] <cox377> did someone mention a graphical interface using fish?
[12:18] <intelikey> cellofellow you purger your self each time you do that.   it may not make you any differance if you are a lier or not.  but it does me.
[12:18] <cellofellow> cox377: when you use ssh, the -X option enables X forwarding. If you ssh from one Linux box to another, with the -X option set, you can run a graphical program and it'll run
[12:19] <cellofellow> cox377: not fish, that's like a remote filesystem. -X makes that work.
[12:19] <cox377> cellofellow: do i enable the X forwarding through the ssh front end?
[12:19] <dg6e74> im tring to get this setup to work internet>nic(linux)nic>nic(windows) to work i get to the internet to work on the linux box but thats it
[12:20] <cellofellow> cox377: ssh -X user@host will work. when you get the ssh shell, type a graphical program and the X protocol is tunneled over the ssh connection,
[12:20] <cellofellow> dg6e74: you're using the linux box as a gateway>
[12:20] <cellofellow> ?
[12:20] <dg6e74> yes
[12:20] <cellofellow> hmmmm
[12:21] <cellofellow> never tried that.
[12:21] <mycket> dg6e74: squid?
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: how far are you? can the windows machine ping the linux machine?
[12:21] <dg6e74> i doubt it
[12:21] <intelikey> cellofellow  linux box as a gateway is pretty common
[12:21] <cellofellow> intelikey: I know, I was just backing out cause I don't know how.
[12:22] <sinbad44> hey guys what do i type in under 'host' box in kmail account setup ?
[12:22] <intelikey> oh
[12:22] <sinbad44> using pop
[12:22] <cellofellow> intelikey: I think my routers have linux under the hood.
[12:22] <intelikey> probably or unix
[12:22] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: on linux you will need to enable ip masquerading for the ip the windows machine is on, and enable forwarding. See the /etc/sysctl.conf file to enable forwarding. And iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s [windows IP]  -j MASQUERADE
[12:23] <|lostbyte|> sinbad44, the host that pop is under.
[12:23] <sinbad44> wat is a host ? u mean like prtc.net ?
[12:23] <sinbad44> my isp?
[12:23] <cellofellow> sinbad44: whatever your email provider says. like gmail is pop.gmail.com
[12:23] <intelikey> sinbad44 the ip of your mail host
[12:23] <dg6e74> i tried that
[12:23] <|lostbyte|> sinbad44, like, pop3.mymailhost.com
[12:23] <dg6e74> and i just lost my connection
[12:23] <sinbad44> ahh ok
[12:23] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: editing the sysctl.conf for forwarding will turn on forwarding when you boot, to enable it now run sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[12:23] <sinbad44> pop3. ...
[12:23] <sinbad44> cool
[12:23] <cellofellow> sinbad44: look on your email providers website for pop instructions. they're all different.
[12:24] <intelikey> sinbad44 or in many cases   mail.<your_isp>.com
[12:24] <dg6e74> ok i did that
[12:24] <dg6e74> should i force the windows box to have a specific or leave it on auto
[12:24] <intelikey> it's pretty common to see    mail.isp.ext + smtp.isp.ext
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: unless you are going to setup a dhcp server on linux then set your windows machine to static IP.
[12:25] <cellofellow> dg6e74: unless you set up dnsmasq or BIND, use a static IP on the windows box.
[12:25] <intelikey> for pop3 accounts that is ^
[12:25] <cellofellow> BIND = DHCP
[12:25] <cellofellow> oops
[12:25] <dg6e74> like 192.168.0.9
[12:25] <yonkeltron> if i have a python module installed and it's suddenly no longer importable, what could that mean?
[12:25] <cellofellow> anything will work that's not 192.168.0.1
[12:26] <cellofellow> in the 192.168.0.* range
[12:26] <dg6e74> done
[12:26] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: okay, now try to ping the linux IP. That's 192.168.0.1?
[12:26] <cellofellow> dg6e74: you need to set the second nic on the linux box to be 192.168.0.1
[12:27] <dg6e74> ok i will
[12:27] <dg6e74> well did that already
[12:27] <dg6e74> gonna ping
[12:27] <hektik> anyone know why install hangs at select a disk ? (no disks to choose from)
[12:28] <dg6e74> request timed out
[12:28] <cellofellow> hektik: that sounds like a recurring proble, but I upgraded from dapper, so I dunno.
[12:28] <intelikey> "<cellofellow> anything will work that's not 192.168.0.1"   mmmm no   192.172.*.* is also reserved for local use
[12:28] <hektik> this is kubuntu 6.10
[12:28] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: both machines are set in the 192.168.0.X range?
[12:28] <|lostbyte|> hektik, kubuntu.com
[12:28] <cellofellow> intelikey: oh, I'll have to remember that.
[12:29] <hektik> kubuntu.com what ?
[12:29] <|lostbyte|> hektik, yes.
[12:29] <dg6e74> linux-192.168.0.1 windows 192.168.0.9
[12:29] <|lostbyte|> :)
[12:29] <hektik> what about it ?
[12:29] <intelikey> err did i just hose that.   172.*.*.*
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: and both netmask 255.255.255.0?
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: yeah, 172.16, and 10.
[12:29] <dg6e74> yes
[12:29] <intelikey> anyway there is another reserved block
[12:30] <cellofellow> intelikey: isn't it 10.*.*.*, 172.something.*.*, and 192.168.0.*? depending on the network size? class A, B, and C nets?
[12:30] <|lostbyte|> hektik, Did you check the md5sum of the iso..
[12:30] <hektik> lol
[12:30] <LeeJunFan> for reference - private IP's = http://www.duxcw.com/faq/network/privip.htm
[12:30] <hektik> their is nothing wrong with the iso...
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> dg6e74: do you have a crossover cable?
[12:31] <intelikey> yeah  192.168.* , 172.16.*  and 10.*   there ya go
[12:31] <dg6e74> yes
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> sry, gotta run out for a bit. dg6e74, don't know why that's not working at this point, everything sounds right - you sure you don't have eth0, eth1 mixed up?
[12:32] <dg6e74> i have my internet on etho 1
[12:32] <dg6e74> should put the internet on etho0
[12:33] <intelikey> and any private is repetable,  can be used on any non-internet network
[12:36] <cox377> what does everyone think the successrate on upgrading to 6.10 from 6.0.6 is? in terms of % is there a lot of failures or???
[12:36] <intelikey> Also, IP addresses in the range of 169.254.0.0-169.254.255.255 are reserved for Automatic Private IP Addressing.   meaning you shouldn't use them as static ip's even on a private network.
[12:37] <intelikey> cox377 of doing that without any errors   5% maybe ?    without any major or unrecoverable errors 85% maybe....
[12:38] <intelikey> depends on whether you classify breaking xorg.conf as major or not.  it's certenly recoverable.
[12:44] <klerfayt> hey why does kde's own transparency stuff feel faster with latest nvidia beta drivers?
[12:44] <Ranma2264> Does anyone have an intel 537ep modem?
[12:46] <Kubu> how can i see the temperatura of my CPU?
[12:47] <intelikey> i'm having issues with fuser.  it's kernel related.   it seems that mozilla-suite uses a line "P=`fuser /dev/dsp 2>&1 | sed -e 's#^/dev/dsp:##' `" which hangs the launching of mozilla-suite with this specific kernel.  anyone brave enough to tackle that ?
[12:49] <sinbad44> i still cant get website background color to dark using Konqueror !
[12:49] <sinbad44> wat gives
[12:49] <intelikey> Kubu one way would be wmsensors - WindowMaker dock applet for lmsensors
[12:49] <BluesKaj> strange , installing flashplayer thru adept , removes the FF flash plugin
[12:50] <BluesKaj> doesn't solve the no play prob tho
[12:50] <klerfayt> BluesKaj: no play?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> flashplayer won't kick in on siyes that use it
[12:51] <BluesKaj> sites
[12:51] <sinbad44> is the konqueror browser not particularly recommended in here or ?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> some like konk , some don't ...just a mater of taste i think
[12:52] <intelikey> konqueror is default in kubuntu
[12:53] <klerfayt> BluesKaj: you should try latest beta flashplayer 9
[12:54] <Tokeiito> good evening
[12:54] <klerfayt> BluesKaj: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[12:56] <Tokeiito> i have problem with taskjuggler installation/deinstallation. i've tryed evrything: apt-get remove, apt-get install -f, dpkg --remove, dpkg --purge but always i'm geting error: dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 1; How can i remove that packet?
[12:58] <sinbad44> how come Konqueror doesnt have site background color control ???
[12:58] <Tokeiito> this is full error code: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29630/
[12:58] <sinbad44> does it suck ?
[12:58] <intelikey> it doesn't ?
[12:58] <sinbad44> doesnt look like it
[12:58] <intelikey> sinbad44 are you sure ?
[12:59] <sinbad44> well ive been trying to get it to use dark site backgrounds since yesterday, no luck
[01:01] <sinbad44> i really hate to have to use mozilla browser on kubuntu
[01:01] <intelikey> Tokeiito you could force that.
[01:01] <Tokeiito> i've tryed
[01:01] <Tokeiito> no luck
[01:01] <sinbad44> since im assuming Konqueror is more secure than mozilla
[01:03] <sinbad44> darn, so this means i have to wear my darned sunglasses just to read browser text on kubuntu darn darn darn
[01:03] <flaccid> hehe why
[01:03] <Hawkwind> sinbad44: Konqueror isn't anymore secure than mozilla or any other browser out there.  Use what *you* like and what is comfortable to you
[01:03] <sinbad44> cuz white backgrounds destroys my eyes
[01:03] <intelikey> Tokeiito try this as root. "  mv /bin/touch . ln -s /bin/true /bin/touch ;apt-get install -f ;rm /bin/touch mv touch /bin  "     it's a hack it ugly it's bad and not recommended.   the ubuntu team would frown on it.  but it will probably work.
[01:04] <flaccid> right... dont see how browser makes a difference there
[01:04] <Tokeiito> thank you
[01:05] <sinbad44> Hawk, well im hoping that Konqueror atleast doesnt have any NSA code embedded like mozilla & IE do since the late 90s
[01:05] <Hawkwind> LOL @ NSA code
[01:05] <intelikey> " mv /bin/touch . ln -s /bin/true /bin/touch ;apt-get install -f ;rm /bin/touch ;mv touch /bin  "
[01:05] <sinbad44> since Konqueror IS open source, right ?
[01:05] <intelikey> Tokeiito ^
[01:05] <Hawkwind> If you're worried about NSA, then there are bigger issues than choosing a browser
[01:06] <intelikey> so you could just copy and paste it.
[01:06] <Tokeiito> mhm
[01:06] <sinbad44> open source security is the WHOLE reason im even bothering to try to learn kubuntu os
[01:07] <flaccid> there is no need to be worried
[01:07] <flaccid> browser security is only an issue with MSIE
[01:08] <sinbad44> duh
[01:09] <sinbad44> netscape mozilla has the same govt spying code as IE does
[01:09] <exhale> :|
[01:09] <sinbad44> ken poulsen confirmed that back in late 98
[01:09] <intelikey> actually the security is not browser/network side, it's kernel side.  i.e. the permissions bits on the inodes.
[01:10] <jel> sinbad44: konqueror does have a better technique for avoiding popups.  Lacks the latest generation of encryption, which some online banks use.  Has some good options which let you control your security and privacy on a per-site basis.  I like it.
[01:10] <purpleposeidon> sinbad: yeah, it's that malicious 'if' statement. Ever wonder what i.f. stands for? That's right.
[01:10] <jel> sinbad44: what spying code?
[01:10] <dude> guys, can you suggest a acd audio creator
[01:11] <dude> guys, can you suggest a cd audio creator
[01:11] <jel> dude: kaudiocreator
[01:11] <sinbad44> jel, just some code snippets that poulsen found & published like 8 years ago
[01:11] <intelikey> cdw
[01:11] <jel> dude: or k3b, if you mean to make a new audio cd?
[01:12] <dude> jel: yes
[01:13] <fdoving> good nite.
[01:17] <starpause> i've got an error on step 4 of the KubuntuUpgrade wiki ... i've checked my sources list ... here's the error ... http://rafb.net/paste/results/KJNQEQ78.html
[01:19] <ut2004> can someone help me im tring to set up my linux box as a gateway using 2 nic cards
[01:25] <ricardo_> hello
[01:26] <ut2004> hello
[01:29] <cellofellow> ut2004: there was someone asking about that about an hour ago
[01:30] <ut2004> ,e
[01:30] <ut2004> me*
[01:30] <cellofellow> starpause: you should run the apt-get -f install. -f meens fix.
[01:30] <cellofellow> ut2004: oh
[01:30] <ut2004> different irc client
[01:31] <cellofellow> starpause: and install the kubuntu-deskop metapackage
[01:31] <ut2004> i got windows to say connected but cant ping the linux box
[01:32] <cellofellow> ut2004: is the windows box connected directly to the linux box? no hub or switch in between?
[01:33] <ut2004> yes with crossover cable
[01:33] <ut2004> i dont think i set something up right on the linux box
[01:33] <shadowhywind> hay all, Where are power options located at. My monitor keeps turning off after like 15 mins. I have checked the screensaver and power options in Monitor & Display. Are there any other locations?
[01:34] <cellofellow> I've had good luck with dnsmasq as a dns forwarder/server and dhcp server.
[01:34] <Zoohouse> What is the name of that feature that KDE has of downloading extra stuff... Hot New Items or something like that..
[01:34] <starpause> cellofellow: i did run apt-get -f install, that's part of my error paste
[01:34] <cellofellow> starpause: oh
[01:34] <cellofellow> ut2004: I've had good luck with dnsmasq as a dns forwarder/server and dhcp server.
[01:35] <ut2004> ok
[01:35] <ut2004> how do use it
[01:35] <Zoohouse> Hot New Stuff I think it is called... How do I open that app?
[01:36] <cellofellow> ut2004: you install, duh, and enable in init. it has once little config file. /etc/dnsmasq.conf. it'll ive dynamic ip's with dhcp, not by default though, and will forward dns requests.
[01:36] <starpause> cellofellow: and here's what happens when i try to install the kubuntu-desktop package http://rafb.net/paste/results/U3O91L46.html
[01:37] <cellofellow> starpause: weird, it says that it has to install xorg but you must already have that.
[01:38] <starpause> cellofellow: yeah, something is totally hosed :) any other ideas?
[01:38] <ut2004> can you walk me through setting this up
[01:39] <gravygoat> Are there any cups gurus logged in at this time?
[01:39] <cellofellow> starpause: sometimes I find that openning aptitude, in gui mode (command aptitude), helps me see what is the problem. try doing something like installing kubuntu-desktop, and it will say it has fix suggestions. press "e" to see suggestions.
[01:40] <cellofellow> ut2004: I did it on debian sarge. install dnsmasq firs
[01:40] <cellofellow> t
[01:41] <dg6e74> where do i get it
[01:41] <cellofellow> dg6e74: is that ut2004
[01:41] <cellofellow> ?
[01:41] <ut2004> yes
[01:41] <cellofellow> one sec
[01:42] <ut2004> some how in channel twice on same irc client with diffetent names
[01:42] <cellofellow> ut2004: install dnsmasq from universe
[01:43] <starpause> cellofellow: strange, when i try to run aptitude nothing happens. Adept Manager comes up though
[01:43] <ut2004> sorry you gotta be super specific with me im a super noob
[01:43] <cellofellow> starpause: you're kidding right? that is crazy.
[01:43] <malix0> hi all I have a strange problem with a laptop with Kubuntu 6.10, the network doesn't work. The interface eth0 is up but I have no comunication
[01:43] <cellofellow> malix0: any IP address? run ip address in konsole
[01:43] <manwithaface> malix0: what card do you have?
[01:44] <starpause> cellofellow: no, if i try running aptitude from the run command dialog or the prompt i get nothing comming up ... but the process is running
[01:44] <malix0> manwithaface: realtek
[01:44] <cellofellow> starpause: aptitude is a ncurses program, runs gui-like in a terminal, so aptitude in konsole should open it.
[01:45] <manwithaface> malix0: pop in your Kubuntu Edgy Alternate install cd and get Network Manager
[01:45] <cellofellow> ut2004: universe is most likely enabled, just sudo aptitude install dnsmasq
[01:45] <malix0> manwithaface: after restarting the network i can send some packet and after a few second it die again
[01:46] <manwithaface> malix0: i know not how to fix the easy stuff, though i can rapidly repair an ailing BCM4318 wireless card
[01:47] <starpause> cellofellow: thanks, i've got it up! will see if i get anywhere here :)
[01:47] <ut2004> i got it from google
[01:48] <cellofellow> ut2004: what?
[01:48] <grothesk> Hi!
[01:48] <ut2004> root@linux-sux:~# aptitude install dnsmasq
[01:48] <grothesk> What is the difference between kubuntu CD and DVD? What is included in the DVD?
[01:48] <ut2004> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:48] <ut2004> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:48] <ut2004> Reading package lists... Done
[01:48] <ut2004> Building dependency tree
[01:48] <ut2004> Reading state information... Done
[01:48] <ut2004> Initializing package states... Done
[01:48] <ut2004> Building tag database... Done
[01:48] <ut2004> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:48] <ut2004> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:49] <cellofellow> !paste | ut2004
[01:49] <ubotu> ut2004: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:49] <grothesk> ut2004: USE pastebin!
[01:49] <ut2004> srry
[01:50] <cellofellow> grothesk: DVD has the LiveCD and the text install, and has enough software on to be a repo.
[01:50] <felixjet> should i install automake 1.9? i have 1.4 but package manager say that 1.9 have lot of bugs
[01:50] <ut2004> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29632/
[01:50] <grothesk> thx cellofellow
[01:50] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | ut2004
[01:50] <ubotu> ut2004: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[01:51] <cellofellow> ut2004: do you have apt-get or adept running? only one dpkg-based program can run at once cause of that lock file.
[01:51] <ut2004> possibly
[01:53] <ut2004> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29633/ what do i do
[01:53] <ut2004> remove java?
[01:54] <malix0> manwithaface: Ok I install network manager, but I can not test it because my router is broken and only wirless work
[01:54] <cellofellow> ut2004: the jdk is sort of outmoded in favour of the sdk. so, uninstall it. and dnsmasq is in uviverse so make sure that's in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:54] <malix0> manwithaface: I must wait when I go to my office
[01:56] <ut2004> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29634/
[01:56] <cellofellow> ut2004: unless your writting in java, you don't need the jdk, just the jre
[01:56] <ut2004> ok
[01:57] <ut2004> i dont need it
[01:57] <cellofellow> ut2004: aptitude search dns to see if dnsmasq is in your cache.
[01:58] <ut2004> type this: aptitude search dns
[01:58] <cellofellow> ut2004: we may be barking up the wrong tree anyways. can you ping ip addresses from the computer behind the linux box?
[01:58] <cellofellow> ut2004: yes
[01:59] <malix0> manwithaface: why this problem happen?
[01:59] <ut2004> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29635/
[02:01] <cellofellow> ut2004: you need universe.
[02:01] <cellofellow> !dnsmasq | ut2004
[02:01] <ubotu> dnsmasq: A small caching DNS proxy and DHCP server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.33-1 (edgy), package size 174 kB, installed size 580 kB
[02:02] <manwithaface> malix0: i have no idea, but i tried it and it worked for me
[02:02] <cellofellow> starpause: how's it going?
[02:02] <Alter-Ego> hi, in amarok if i want to listen to japanese radio or tv, my  titles are in squre blocks and not japanese.  is there a way to change this ?
[02:03] <malix0> manwithaface: Ok ttanks I'll try it when I'll get into the work office
[02:03] <ut2004> how do i get universe
[02:03] <malix0> manwithaface: I hope it will work
[02:04] <starpause> cellofellow: it's going at it ... aptitude seems nice ... it's back on the command prompt
[02:04] <cellofellow> !universe | ut2004
[02:04] <ubotu> ut2004: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:04] <malix0> manwithaface: Note that I have no problem with windows and no problem with my wirless card using ndiswrapper drivers
[02:04] <cellofellow> starpause: after it does stuff at the "prompt", it promts for enter, and when you hit enter it opens aptitude back up.
[02:05] <shadowhywind> any body now how to clean up the apt cache, what the command is?
[02:06] <shadowhywind> is apt-get clean and autoclean safe to run?
[02:06] <starpause> cellofellow: cool, thanks for the explaination. it seems like there are some errors along the way but it's still doing it's thing. i just told aptitude to go after i started it, hope it was smart in seeing what needed to upgrade :O
[02:08] <malix0> Another question on a fresh install of Edgy when I call shutdown I have icons on side of buttons, but on an old installation that was in testing there are only text. Where I can change this?
[02:11] <starpause> cellofellow: before it prompted me to hit return there was a long list of packages with errors
[02:11] <Jucato> um... which font or package installed with kubuntu-desktop gives support for Japanese text? (I can't see them in Konvi...)
[02:11] <bobbyyu> I have a big problem: I can't log into my Kubuntu Dapper system. After a large update, it accepts my login, and logs me back out
[02:12] <bobbyyu> I am talking from my Windows OS
[02:13] <shadowhywind> bobbyyu nexttime you start in kubuntu, and get to the login screen, do alt+ctrl +f3 and login through there
[02:13] <shadowhywind> and see if an error happens
[02:13] <shadowhywind> if nothing, type startx and see if that comes with an error
[02:18] <kal> hi
[02:20] <shadowhywind> hi
[02:20] <kal> i am new on thia thing
[02:20] <shadowhywind> hehe
[02:27] <for> hi
[02:28] <Jucato> when I install xfonts stuff, do I need to restart X?
[02:29] <cellofellow> Jucato: can't hurt
[02:29] <shadowhywind> it probably wouldn't hurt that way all programs can see it
[02:29] <Jucato> thanks :)
[02:31] <Lamington> helllo
[02:32] <caribou8> !xmms
[02:32] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[02:33] <Emess> anyone know how to take a perl script wirtten in windows and make it so nix can actually read its encode?
[02:37] <Lamington> I've just installed kubuntu edgy and my Storage Media window in the System Menu only shows a folder (cdrom0)... How do I get it to show my hard drives like I thought it should
[02:39] <josh__> whats up people? i have a hard drive i am using just to store backups and such. it is owned by root though so my normal user accounts cant write to it. i have tried chmod 777 and chown josh /data... says changing permissions/owner isn't allowed... how do i change that?
[02:40] <intelikey> mount -o remount,umask=0 /mount/point
[02:44] <Dokuta_Di> !codecs
[02:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:49] <i_love_beer> I can't even load ubuntu in safe graphics mode
[02:53] <dragonflyseven> How would I get a quicktime movie to play in firefox?
[02:54] <Hirvinen> dragonflyseven: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[02:55] <dragonflyseven> hirvinen: thank you.
[02:56] <[H5N1] > Is the new livecd's updated yet?
[02:56] <RawSewageLT> theyre not making CDs of Edgy
[02:57] <[H5N1] > huh?
[02:57] <RawSewageLT> sorry nm
[02:57] <[H5N1] > Just waiting for the new Kubuntu 6.10 since the current one has issues..
[02:58] <RawSewageLT> like what
[02:58] <RawSewageLT> KOrganizer?
[02:58] <[H5N1] > I have the "NO ROOT FILESYSTEM" bug and I can't proceed.
[02:58] <RawSewageLT> oh
[02:59] <[H5N1] > With the installation that is.
[02:59] <RawSewageLT> I did a fresh install
[02:59] <RawSewageLT> I dont like updates
[02:59] <RawSewageLT> updating
[02:59] <RawSewageLT> upgrading
[02:59] <[H5N1] > Yeah, I'd like too and it won't let me.
[02:59] <RawSewageLT> weird
[03:00] <felixjet> anyone know a good manual to see TV in kubuntu?
[03:00] <felixjet> i have a hauppage tv card
[03:00] <felixjet> supported by bttv module
[03:00] <RawSewageLT> !TV
[03:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about TV - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:00] <felixjet> !bttv
[03:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bttv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:00] <felixjet> :(
[03:01] <laptop_> anyone know the where automatix2 installs the firefox java runtime plugin?
[03:02] <LiteHedded> how can i upgrade firefox to 2.0?
[03:02] <analfabeta> hi!
[03:02] <pierreth> hello
[03:03] <felixjet> when i try to open modconf it says that i dont must use it, and it autocloses !
[03:03] <pierreth> Anyone on the new version of kubuntu?
[03:03] <RawSewageLT> me
[03:03] <pierreth> hi RawSewageLT
[03:03] <felixjet> nevermind, it was a problem using another terminal
[03:03] <shadowhywind> me too
[03:04] <dragonflyseven> The Ubuntu documentation says to that Konqueror can play embedded videos by default, but I am using Firefox. How can I play quicktime, etc. videos in firefox using KDE?
[03:04] <pierreth> and are you confortable?
[03:04] <RawSewageLT> yes
[03:04] <pierreth> dragonflyseven: QT is not free
[03:04] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: No problem since the upgrade?
[03:04] <esaym> for upgrading to firefox 2: http://getswiftfox.com/installer.htm
[03:05] <pierreth> QT is for windows are MacOS
[03:05] <esaym> if you want the desktop icon you will have to copy it from the default install location of /usr/share/applications/swiftfox.desktop and copy it over to /home/user/desktop
[03:05] <malix0> dragonflyseven: install mozilla-mplayer
[03:05] <dragonflyseven> I mean like embedded videos like besides flash.
[03:05] <shadowhywind> dragonflyseven https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[03:05] <RawSewageLT> pierreth: just a few bugs
[03:05] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: like what?
[03:05] <shadowhywind> other then the few bugs, I haven't found anything that i haven't beena ble to fix
[03:06] <RawSewageLT> KOrganize icon
[03:06] <dragonflyseven> I am already on that page, it doesn't handle how to do it without Konqueror.
[03:06] <RawSewageLT> k3b not verifying after a burn
[03:06] <RawSewageLT> it verifies ISOs, but not data DVd burns
[03:06] <shadowhywind> dragonfly if you install what it says, firefox will find it and do it automatically
[03:06] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: k3b is fully completed anyway
[03:07] <RawSewageLT> what
[03:07] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: I'am missing Toast from MacOS
[03:07] <malix0> dragonflyseven: and if you want to play almost anything you can install w32codecs
[03:07] <dragonflyseven> Ok, I will try it.
[03:07] <dragonflyseven> Thanks for the help.
[03:07] <RawSewageLT> pierreth: I like k3b
[03:08] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: I like it too but it does not erase my disks
[03:08] <RawSewageLT> are you sure
[03:08] <Emess> anyone know how to take a perl script wirtten in windows and make it so nix can actually read its encode?
[03:09] <RawSewageLT> isnt perl just text
[03:09] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: it is always saying that I don't need to erase the disk
[03:09] <RawSewageLT> oh
[03:09] <intelikey> dos2unix file.pl
[03:09] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: that I can write over
[03:10] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: but I want to erase, not to add
[03:10] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: just too bad
[03:10] <Emess> RawSewageLT: yes, but its been encoded and nix cant read it
[03:10] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: are you having this problem?
[03:10] <intelikey> pierreth what disk ?
[03:10] <pierreth> dvd+rw
[03:11] <RawSewageLT> pierreth: I dont use rewritable disks
[03:11] <intelikey> k i'm oob on that one.
[03:11] <LiteHedded> what's the easiest way to upgrade to ff 2.0?
[03:11] <i_love_beer> how do I get edgy to work
[03:11] <pierreth> rewritable is better for the environment
[03:11] <RawSewageLT> pierreth: did you go to Tools -  Erase CD
[03:11] <pierreth> intelikey: there is so much formats available
[03:12] <i_love_beer> how do I get edgy to display video
[03:12] <i_love_beer> it just go into a blank screen
[03:12] <bbt> hi, trying to get thunderbird to use firefox as default browser, can someone help?
[03:13] <pierreth> RawSewageLT: yes, but i am in French
[03:13] <intelikey> !fr
[03:13] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:13] <pierreth> bbt: i am a link for you
[03:13] <pierreth> btt: i add the problem once
[03:14] <i_love_beer> HALP EDGY NO WORK
[03:14] <intelikey> !work
[03:14] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[03:14] <RawSewageLT> bbt: System Setings - Default Apps
[03:15] <RawSewageLT> lol
[03:15] <pierreth> bbt: here: http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/firefox-mailto.jspx
[03:15] <i_love_beer> hey
[03:15] <bbt> thanks guys
[03:16] <i_love_beer> it just go into a blank screen
[03:16] <i_love_beer> and I can't do nothing :(
[03:16] <Egi> hi
[03:17] <intelikey> !xorg
[03:17] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:17] <dude_> guys, can you suggest a mp3 burner apps
[03:17] <Egi> is it possible to be an admin in kubuntu all the time ?
[03:17] <intelikey> Egi sure  if you are talking about using the roor account
[03:17] <intelikey> !root
[03:17] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:17] <intelikey> read there ^
[03:18] <i_love_beer> roor account?
[03:18] <intelikey> to set a root password; sudo passwd
[03:18] <Egi> dont want to be sudo
[03:18] <intelikey> root
[03:18] <dude_> guys, can you suggest a mp3 burner apps
[03:19] <intelikey> dude_ i have no idea what you are talking about
[03:19] <intelikey> an mp3 burner ?
[03:19] <Egi> ok .. i think i dont raelly know what i am talking about ^^
[03:19] <Egi> su = same as root ?
[03:19] <intelikey> yes
[03:20] <intelikey> actually no...   su == switch user   and if not user is specified then the default is   root
[03:20] <Egi> its told in the kubuntu documentation that the root account is locked
[03:20] <Egi> but i want to be root all the time ... and log in as root etc
[03:21] <dude_> intelikey: i mean i want to burn mp3's in a   cd
[03:21] <pierreth> why when i create a new user, i can login with my password on the user account?
[03:21] <intelikey> one could  su jim    or    su tom    or su sally   but   su  alone == su root
[03:21] <Egi> the problem is that i coulnd do that the last time i had kubunto on my pc
[03:21] <dude_> intelikey: i used 3kb, but it doesnt play
[03:21] <intelikey> dude_ then you are looking for something to convert mp3 to cda ?
[03:22] <intelikey> audacity can do that with the codecs
[03:22] <dude_> intelikey: not really, but what can you suggest, mp3 to cda?
[03:23] <intelikey> i don't know what tool audacity uses but it's probably common to many things like mplayer xmms and friends
[03:23] <rhodri> hi, i'm using edgy, and after 5 minutes or so of not using my computer i get a blank screensaver which comes up, but i have checked my screensaver settings and it looks off, and i've looked for power management settings but can't find anything to do with turning off the screen.  this is really annoying when i'm watching movies, can anyone help?  thanks.
[03:24] <intelikey> cda==compact disk audio   format
[03:24] <Kiongku> !rpm
[03:24] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[03:24] <dude_> intelikey: when i play the burned cd in a cd player, it won't play  but when i play it on my cdrom drive, it plays
[03:24] <RawSewageLT> does anyone have a problem where FF crashes when going to YouTube
[03:25] <Egi> and the format of the files is .cda
[03:25] <intelikey> dude_ i sujest you check the settings in k3b   probably not fixiated  or something.
[03:25] <Egi> ?
[03:25] <shadowhywind> rawsewageLT download and use flash beta 9
[03:25] <shadowhywind> also diable your extenstions, and test first
[03:26] <shadowhywind> does anyone know hot to get superkaramba to read net stats?
[03:26] <RawSewageLT> shadowhywind: ok, thx.  I dont want to do anything like that on this fresh clean Edgy install though
[03:26] <RawSewageLT> I'll just wait for an official update
[03:26] <shadowhywind> what do you mean rawsewage?
[03:26] <RawSewageLT> I only want to instal things in the repos
[03:27] <RawSewageLT> without having to add special repos
[03:27] <shadowhywind> all it is, is adding 1 file to the plugin directory of firefox
[03:27] <RawSewageLT> ok
[03:27] <RawSewageLT> where can I get that
[03:27] <shadowhywind> *lets see if this works*
[03:28] <shadowhywind> !flash
[03:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:28] <shadowhywind> haha!
[03:28] <hazard2> quick question: anybody know anything about programming in C?
[03:28] <intelikey> hazard2 is this a poll ?
[03:28] <Egi> well ... me in c++ a little bit
[03:28] <hazard2> well, specfically, why can't I create a global program varible?
[03:28] <shadowhywind> raw go here http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[03:29] <intelikey> there is a channel for that.
[03:29] <hazard2> and google is feeling useless
[03:29] <Egi> who told you that ?
[03:29] <Egi> of course you can
[03:29] <bobbyyu> !java
[03:29] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:29] <RawSewageLT> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Edgy#How_to_update_to_Flash_Player_9_Beta_.28Macromedia_Flash.29_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[03:29] <hazard2> I know you can, but gcc isn't letting me.
[03:29] <bobbyyu> !jdk
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jdk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <intelikey> !b-e
[03:29] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:30] <dude_> !mp3
[03:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:30] <RawSewageLT> shadowhywind: thx.  I'll install that
[03:30] <hazard2> !aac
[03:30] <shadowhywind> hopefully that will work, that is what i had to do
[03:30] <intelikey> who ever rewrote the bot <glares at Seveas>  really didn't help anything.
[03:31] <hazard2> what's the channel for c?
[03:31] <bobbyyu> Can someone please tell me how to export the Java path and make it global througout the shell? My copy is gone now that my Kubuntu decided to lock itself up.
[03:31] <hazard2> (and how do I join with Konversation?
[03:31] <intelikey> b-e should not be linked to that infonode.
[03:32] <dude_> jucato !
[03:32] <RawSewageLT> shadowhywind: still crashes.  maybe I need to rebood
[03:32] <RawSewageLT> I'll reboot
[03:33] <rhodri> hi, i'm using edgy, and after 5 minutes or so of not using my computer i get a blank screensaver which comes up, but i have checked my screensaver settings and it looks off, and i've looked for power management settings but can't find anything to do with turning off the screen.  this is really annoying when i'm watching movies, can anyone help?  thanks.
[03:33] <shadowhywind> there is one other folder that you can try to put the file in,
[03:34] <shadowhywind> do a find for plugins, firefox has like a global folder i don't remembere where
[03:34] <shadowhywind> also did you remove both files for flash?
[03:37] <analfabeta> i'm trying write in my pendrive, but after, Safety Remove, unplug and replug a pendrive, archives isnot copied. whats happining?!
[03:38] <_kalach> lllllllll
[03:40] <Jucato> dude_: sorry I was awaaaaaaay
[03:41] <dude_> jucato: i burned mp3, but it doesn't play
[03:41] <dude_> jucato: i used kb3
[03:41] <Jucato> dude_: did you install libk3b-mp3 (or something like that)?
[03:42] <dude_> jucato: le me chck
[03:42] <Jucato> dude_: libk3b2-mp3
[03:43] <dude_> jucato: not yet installed
[03:44] <Jucato> bleh :P
[03:44] <dude_> hehehe
[03:44] <dude_> jucato: re starting kb3
[03:45] <vipercat> can someone help me with how to install avast onto kubuntu ..  this i my first attempt at using linux so i dont know what to use or how to use it ?
[03:46] <Hawkwind> What is avast ?
[03:46] <Jucato> avast ye mateys?
[03:46] <vipercat> avast is an antivirus program
[03:46] <Hawkwind> vipercat: You don't need antivirus on Linux
[03:47] <OOD> chances are there wont be a single linux virus for a few years
[03:47] <Hawkwind> vipercat: Unless you run a mail server that Windows users have access to from within Windows
[03:47] <OOD> and if one does come out, expect a patch that kills it
[03:48] <dude_> jucato: what are those? "libk3b2-mp3?
[03:48] <vipercat> its not the antivirus im worried about its just an excersise in how to install a program that is not normally part of linux
[03:48] <Jucato> !info libk3b2-mp3 | dude_
[03:48] <ubotu> libk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 100 kB
[03:48] <dude_> jucato, tnx
[03:49] <Jucato> dude_: but are you just trying to burn a data disc, or mp3's into an audio cd?
[03:50] <vipercat> ok how do i install firefox from a .tar.gz file than ?
[03:50] <notech> avast has .deb package
[03:51] <vipercat> what is a deb package ?
[03:51] <Hawkwind> vipercat: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[03:52] <notech> deb are the package format used by unbuntu/debian
[03:52] <Hawkwind> vipercat: You don't need to download and compile things on a deb based distro.  Use the tools the distro gives you to install things that are prepackaged
[03:52] <dude_> jucato: still the same
[03:52] <Jucato> vipercat: try learning the basics of installing first. The usual "ladder" of installation choices is: Repository > DEB package > compiling from source
[03:52] <Jucato> dude_: hm.... are you trying to burn an Audio CD or a Data CD with MP3's in it?
[03:53] <dude_> jucato: Data CD with MP3's in it
[03:53] <Hawkwind> If it's mp3's you should burn it as an audio cd, not a data cd
[03:53] <dude_> hawkwind: why?
[03:53] <Jucato> Hawkwind: well it's possible to burn a Data CD w/ MP3's in it.
[03:53] <Jucato> I know, I do it
[03:54] <Hawkwind> Jucato: True.  But if it's all mp3's, why not just burn it as an audio cd then you have no worries of it not working
[03:54] <dude_> jucato: im using a CD-RW, is it ok
[03:54] <vipercat> ok thanks just one more question  is there a list somewhere that tells me what the different files are and which programs do what as a comparison to windows ?
[03:54] <Jucato> dude_: doesn't matter :)
[03:55] <Jucato> Hawkwind: backups? transferring? I'd hate to burn them as Audio CD only to rip them again later
[03:55] <dude_> jucato: my cd player can't read it
[03:55] <Jucato> dude_: maybe your CD player can't read MP3's?
[03:55] <Jucato> only Audio CD's
[03:56] <dude_> jucato: it can, just wondering, when im in xp, and burn mp3s, the cd player can read it
[03:56] <shadowhywind> anyone use a systemmonitor in karamaba
[03:57] <Jucato> dude_: I haven't run into a problem like that...
[03:57] <Jucato> anything I burn, MP3's into Data CD, or convert to Audio CD, works fine
[03:58] <dude_> jucato: maybe my player doesn't read CD-RW
[03:58] <Jucato> that's a possibility
[03:58] <Jucato> it usually says on the cover of the player whether it can or it can't
[03:59] <dude_> jucato: ya, wait, i'll buy CD-R
[03:59] <dude_> :)
[03:59] <Jucato> O_O
[04:02] <zanophol> Can anyone help me figure out why on my 1600x1200 laptop screen, why the login and password fonts are so huge?
[04:03] <zanophol> I have adjusted all the kde fonts I can find through control center, but still huge fonts
[04:05] <felixjet> i have a doubt (yea one more =()
[04:05] <felixjet> im trying to setup a TV card
[04:05] <felixjet> and a manual say to dl the last kernel source and put it into /usr/src/
[04:05] <felixjet> there, i have this folder: linux-headers-2.6.15-27-686 .which is the kernel im using
[04:06] <dragonflyseven> Do you have to defragment your disk in kubuntu?
[04:06] <felixjet> but the last stable kernel is 2.6.18.1 .should i use the one dled ? or the one i have in my HD
[04:06] <Jucato> dragonflyseven: not really
[04:06] <zanophol> anyone have big login fonts?
[04:06] <Jucato> felixjet: you can see which kernel you are using by typing "uname -r" in Konsole
[04:06] <dragonflyseven> Ok, cool. The once every 30 startups thing takes care of it?
[04:07] <felixjet> yea
[04:07] <felixjet> im using 2.6.15-27-686
[04:07] <Jucato> dragonflyseven: that's not defragging. it's fsck, like chkdsk in windows
[04:07] <felixjet> but the last is 2.6.18.1
[04:07] <felixjet> what kernel should use?
[04:07] <dragonflyseven> Oh. But I don't have to worry about defraging?
[04:07] <Jucato> felixjet: the one you're using right now.unless you want to compile. 2.6.17 isn't availabe yet in Dapper, much less 2.6.18
[04:08] <felixjet> ya, i need compile :(
[04:08] <Jucato> dragonflyseven: nope. not that much, anyway
[04:08] <felixjet> to get working the video TV module
[04:08] <Jucato> felixjet: ah well I guess you need more help than I can give...
[04:08] <felixjet> should i use linux-headers-2.6.15-27-686 folder as source?
[04:08] <Jucato> no
[04:09] <felixjet> and what if i use the kernel i downloaded? kubuntu will crash?
[04:09] <Jucato> Hawkwind: where's that kernel compilation guide of yours?
[04:09] <dragonflyseven> Ok, cool. Thank you.
[04:10] <Hawkwind> Jucato: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=611.0
[04:10] <Jucato> felixjet: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[04:10] <Jucato> Hawkwind: thanks
[04:10] <felixjet> thanks
[04:11] <felixjet> Hawkwind: what happen if i compile the new stable kernel on kubuntu?
[04:12] <Hawkwind> felixjet: I'm using 2.6.18.1 on Dapper and 2.6.19-rc2 on Edgy, so I'd guess nothing except you'd be at a newer kernel
[04:12] <felixjet> and whats the difference :(
[04:13] <felixjet> exist any risk? or new kernel only gives me more improves
[04:14] <Jucato> so far I personally haven't had any need to compile kernels... thank goodness...
[04:14] <Hawkwind> felixjet: All depends on how *you* build it
[04:14] <PenguinistaKC> The only risk you run with a new kernel is with any proprietary, binary-only modules that you might include (e.g., nividia proprietary drivers). they are often keyed to a specific kernel version.
[04:15] <felixjet> ill follow ur guide lol
[04:15] <Hawkwind> PenguinistaKC: That's why you install the drivers directly from nvidia.com and then you have no worries
[04:15] <Hawkwind> felixjet: There is a script there on that post too that will do it all for you
[04:15] <PenguinistaKC> hawkwind: As long as nvidia is keeping up with kernel updates
[04:15] <PenguinistaKC> hawkwind: They haven't always been so good about that
[04:16] <Hawkwind> PenguinistaKC: It has nothing to do with kernel updates
[04:16] <igor> hi all
[04:16] <Hawkwind> I built 2.6.19-rc2 the day it was released on kernel.org and the nvidia drivers install against it perfectly fine
[04:16] <igor> can somebody help me with upgrade
[04:16] <igor> I'm getting this error message:
[04:17] <felixjet> this is so hard to me >.<
[04:17] <igor> W: GPG error: http://packages.freecontrib.org edgy-plf Release: The following si                                                                                                   gnatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY                                                                                                    F120156012B83718
[04:17] <igor> in dpkg run
[04:17] <Jucato> igor: remove or comment out (put a # at the beginning) of the packages.freecontrib.org lines
[04:18] <Hawkwind> igor: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv F120156012B83718 && gpg --export --armor F120156012B83718 | sudo apt-key add -
[04:18] <Hawkwind> igor: Copy/paste that into a terminal to import the key
[04:18] <felixjet> Hawkwind:
[04:18] <felixjet> can u take a look at a link please?
[04:18] <intelikey> Jucato yeah rolled a kernel or two for that purpose...
[04:18] <felixjet> im so confuse
[04:18] <felixjet> http://jtyr.home.cern.ch/jtyr/wintv_express.html
[04:19] <felixjet> im trying to do that
[04:21] <intelikey> Jucato both 2.4 and 2.6's    it takes a little time.  nothing hard about it though.    if you "philosophy" i'd say go for it.
[04:24] <unix_infidel> anyone know of a 3rd party deb for python 2.5?
[04:25] <unix_infidel> specific for ubuntu?
[04:29] <igor> Hawkin:
[04:29] <igor> gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/igor/.gnupg/gpg.conf'
[04:29] <igor> gpg: external program calls are disabled due to unsafe options file permissions
[04:29] <igor> gpg: keyserver communications error: general error
[04:29] <igor> gpg: keyserver receive failed: general error
[04:29] <BluesKaj> Can an older pc like a 233mhz MMX  be used as a network server using a large HDD with ubuntu ?
[04:29] <igor> it doesn't work
[04:29] <Ertain> Has the problem with the screensaver not working unless the power saver option is set, been resolved?
[04:30] <dude> jucato: :(
[04:31] <intelikey> igor  ls -l /home/igor/.gnupg/gpg.conf
[04:33] <igor> intelikey: it acts same
[04:33] <intelikey> that's good, it would be desasterous if 'ls' changed anything.
[04:34] <intelikey> so what did ls say ?
[04:34] <igor> -rw------- 1 igor igor 8084 Nov  1 12:18 /home/igor/.gnupg/gpg.conf
[04:35] <h3sp4wn> felixjet: If I was you I wouldn't use the binary drivers from nvidia.com (its messy) build the nvidia-graphics-driver package from debian unstable or experimental (that will give you an nvidia-kernel-source package which you can build with module-assistant
[04:35] <unix_infidel> anyone for my python 2.5 question.  I'm looking for some 3rd party packages, preferably in a repo and release non specific.
[04:35] <intelikey> i guess gpg keys are supposed to be root only.  you can chown it    but if you do i would sujest moving it to some place owned by root also
[04:36] <duane> does flash 9 crash alot for anybody
[04:36] <duane> ?
[04:36] <duane> shit crashes like every ten minutes for me
[04:36] <intelikey> @ igor
[04:37] <igor> root@igor-kohnolab:~# gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv F120156012B83718 && gpg --export --armor F120156012B83718 | sudo apt-key add -
[04:37] <intelikey> !language
[04:37] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:37] <igor> gpg: directory `/root/.gnupg' created
[04:37] <igor> gpg: new configuration file `/root/.gnupg/gpg.conf' created
[04:37] <igor> gpg: WARNING: options in `/root/.gnupg/gpg.conf' are not yet active during this run
[04:37] <igor> gpg: keyring `/root/.gnupg/secring.gpg' created
[04:37] <igor> gpg: keyring `/root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg' created
[04:37] <igor> gpg: requesting key 12B83718 from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net
[04:37] <igor> gpg: /root/.gnupg/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created
[04:37] <igor> gpg: key 12B83718: public key "Lionel Le Folgoc (mr_pouit) <lionel.lefolgoc@free.fr>" imported
[04:37] <igor> gpg: Total number processed: 1
[04:37] <igor> gpg:               imported: 1
[04:38] <intelikey> and yes others have expressed crash problems with flash9 'beta'
[04:39] <BluesKaj> intelikey, why does installing flashplayer remove the flash plugin in FF?
[04:40] <intelikey> BluesKaj i have no idea.  i don't do flash
[04:40] <duane> how do i uninstall the flash plugin?
[04:40] <duane> nevermind
[04:41] <BluesKaj> use adept and install flashplayer ...don't hink it works anyway :)
[04:41] <notech> gee, a beta app crashing how surprising. heh
[04:41] <Ertain> So... No one knows how to solve the screensaver problem?
[04:41] <intelikey> but i can tell you the reason, .... cause the package says it conflicts, thus dpkg removes the offending package to install the new one.
[04:42] <ccomp5950> Anyone know of a utility that extracts files from ISO's instead of having to burn them to a CD then copy them over?
[04:42] <h3sp4wn> ccomp5950: mount -o loop
[04:42] <h3sp4wn> ccomp5950: (then just access it like any other filesystem)
[04:42] <intelikey> utility ccomp5950 ???  just mount it.
[04:43] <duane> how do I install the stable flash?
[04:43] <duane> from apt
[04:43] <h3sp4wn> !flashplugin-nonfree
[04:43] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.68~ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 164 kB (Only available for i386)
[04:43] <intelikey> stable and flash ?    is that a joke ?
[04:44] <igor> intelikey:
[04:44] <ccomp5950> didn't know I could mount an ISO, thanks guys
[04:44] <igor> now it says it has dependenices prob.
[04:44] <ccomp5950> mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso
[04:45] <igor> can I install packages from deb unstable?
[04:45] <igor> is that wise?
[04:45] <h3sp4wn> igor: Not binaries no
[04:45] <intelikey> ccomp5950 the -t is un-nessesary
[04:45] <h3sp4wn> igor: You can build debian unstable source fine most of the time
[04:46] <kyle_> hey
[04:46] <intelikey> igor you shouldn't    it can be done,  but it will probably break things.    ubuntu is not debian.
[04:46] <ccomp5950> intelikey: thanks
[04:47] <kyle_> anybody use cedega in here?
[04:47] <igor> what should I do then?
[04:47] <intelikey> igor what are you trying for ?
[04:47] <igor> it needs python2.4-tk and and xutils
[04:48] <intelikey> igor what's the desired end result ?
[04:48] <igor> edgy from 6.05
[04:48] <intelikey> !info python2.4-tk
[04:48] <ubotu> Package python2.4-tk does not exist in any distro I know
[04:49] <intelikey> !info python2.4-tk edgy
[04:49] <ubotu> Package python2.4-tk does not exist in edgy
[04:49] <intelikey> !info python2.5-tk edgy
[04:49] <ubotu> Package python2.5-tk does not exist in edgy
[04:49] <kyle_> !Seen
[04:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:50] <intelikey> igor again i ask "what is the desired end result?"   "what are you trying to do?"
[04:51] <igor> I've been trying to upgrade to 6.10
[04:51] <igor> from 6.05
[04:52] <intelikey> you don't need to be looking for packages to fix the 6.6 then      i don't know why ubotu cant find this.
[04:52] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  q python2.4-tk
[04:52] <intelikey> python2.4-tk - Tkinter - Writing Tk applications with Python (v2.4)
[04:55] <intelikey> igor i would sujest apt-get removing all that can be removed with having to type in "Yes, I know this is a bad idea"  or  "Yes, do as I say!"  to get it to remove it.  and then doing the upgrade.  after a successful upgrade you can install anything edgy.
[04:55] <sinbad44> why does saving a binary file result in corruption in kubuntu ??
[04:56] <intelikey> sinbad44 it doesn't
[04:56] <sinbad44> well i keep getting this error
[04:56] <coreymon77> my dog just got skunked :(\
[04:56] <flake> is there a way around the redraw problem using Wine?
[04:57] <sinbad44> halfway thru downloading
[04:57] <intelikey> igor with/without  ^
[04:57] <felixjet_> !info kde-devel
[04:57] <ubotu> kde-devel: the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[04:58] <felixjet_> !info kde-core
[04:58] <ubotu> kde-core: the K Desktop Environment core modules. In component main, is optional. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[04:58] <intelikey> sinbad44 downloading what and from where?   and using what to dl it?
[04:59] <RobNyc_> damn I been updating my Kubuntu Knot 3 to Edgy for like 3hours lol
[04:59] <RobNyc_> on a 3mbps connection
[04:59] <Jucato> O_o
[04:59] <sinbad44> using konqueror browser to download    http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ipcop/ipcop-install-cd-1.4.11.i386.iso?use_mirror=ufpr
[04:59] <flake> is there a way around the redraw issue with wine?
[05:00] <geecko> hey, maybe a simple question, but how do i set up screesavers in dapper?
[05:00] <intelikey> sinbad44 try; wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ipcop/ipcop-install-cd-1.4.11.i386.iso?use_mirror=ufpr
[05:00] <Dasnipa`> right click on desktop
[05:00] <Jucato> geecko: System Settings -> Desktop -> Screensavers ?
[05:01] <Jucato> or what Dasnipa` said
[05:01] <Dasnipa`> geecko, yeah its in configure desktop
[05:01] <sinbad44> ok but do u have any idea why the browser wont work for downloading that ?
[05:01] <intelikey> or run kcontrol
[05:02] <intelikey> :)
[05:02] <geecko> Dasnipa`: ok, i knew i saw that before
[05:02] <Jucato> intelikey: you have to remember, KControl isn't originally visible on a default Kubuntu install :P
[05:02] <Jucato> sinbad44: it works here. what problem are you getting?
[05:02] <intelikey> sinbad44 no that's why i wanted you to try wget   to rule out the problme being on the other end...
[05:03] <geecko> Dasnipa`: it looks like that's disabled though, so y would the big X pop up during mplayer?
[05:03] <Jucato> intelikey: that link is a page that lets you select mirrors
[05:03] <intelikey> Jucato :)    the command is the same all over    no?
[05:03] <Jucato> intelikey: I don't know. does wget let you choose which mirror to use?
[05:03] <Dasnipa`> speaking of screensavers is there a handy console command to modify screensaver settings? i wanna write a fairly basic script for myself to make 'on the fly' modifications
[05:04] <intelikey> Jucato hehhe well that's the url he gave me.
[05:04] <Jucato> intelikey: well, you should have checked :P
[05:04] <Dasnipa`> geecko, big x?
[05:04] <intelikey> Jucato no   you need the url of the actual dl
[05:04] <Jucato> intelikey: don't tell me that :P
[05:04] <geecko> Dasnipa`: the X logo; X screensaver
[05:04] <Jucato> intelikey: btw, that wget command you gave only downloads the web page :P
[05:04] <intelikey> Jucato lagging 20 seconds and you expect me to check urls.......
[05:05] <Jucato> intelikey: well, didn't know you were lagging... :)
[05:05] <Jucato> why are you lagging anyway?
[05:05] <intelikey> an update......
[05:05] <intelikey> dialup you know.
[05:06] <intelikey> oh cool, and it errored out....
[05:06] <Jucato> ooh... never knew you were on dialup... my bad..
[05:07] <igor> intelikey: how do I go back?
[05:07] <intelikey> yeah ya did.  you just forgot.
[05:07] <Jucato> intelikey: maybe I did... but if I forgot, I wouldn't know that I did, right?
[05:08] <intelikey> igor not sure you can....  i'll be finished with this in a few minutes and maybe i can be of more help...
[05:08] <intelikey> Jucato :)     SO
[05:10] <intelikey> ok i think i'm back to normal
[05:10] <intelikey> what ever that is.
[05:10] <intelikey> see second post ^
[05:10] <Jucato> yeah yeah :)
[05:11] <intelikey> igor what error.  lets see if we can do a few tricky apt-gets and fix it.
[05:11] <igor>   python-tk: Depends: python2.4-tk (>= 2.4.2)
[05:11] <igor>   python2.4-epydoc: Depends: python2.4-tk
[05:11] <igor>   python2.4-unit: Depends: python2.4-tk
[05:11] <igor>   ttf-arphic-uming: Depends: xutils (>= 4.0.2) but it is not installed
[05:11] <igor> I got broken dep.
[05:11] <coreymon77> watch this
[05:12] <coreymon77> !seen anything
[05:12] <ubotu> I last saw Anything (n=UbuntuGa@p5493EF22.dip.t-dialin.net) 11h 13m 17s ago, quiting: "http://www.ubuntu-gaming.de"
[05:12] <Jucato> ???
[05:12] <coreymon77> darn
[05:12] <coreymon77> it used to say
[05:12] <intelikey> igor sudo apt-get remove -f python-tk
[05:12] <coreymon77> i havent seen anything recently
[05:12] <coreymon77> !seen nothing
[05:12] <ubotu> I last saw Nothing (i=Nothing@218-165-134-228.dynamic.hinet.net) 2d 18h 28m 1s ago, quiting:
[05:13] <coreymon77> !seen everything
[05:13] <ubotu> I haven't seen everything recently
[05:13] <Jucato> !botabuse | coreymon77
[05:13] <ubotu> coreymon77: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots  -  Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... ;-)
[05:13] <coreymon77> !seen a signle thing
[05:13] <coreymon77> okay
[05:13] <intelikey> coreymon77 please play in pm
[05:13] <igor> python-unit: Depends: python-tk but it is not going to be installed
[05:13] <igor>   python2.4-epydoc: Depends: python2.4-tk
[05:13] <igor>   python2.4-unit: Depends: python2.4-tk
[05:13] <igor>   ttf-arphic-uming: Depends: xutils (>= 4.0.2) but it is not going to be installed
[05:13] <Jucato> !pastebin > igor
[05:14] <intelikey> igor sudo apt-get remove -f python-tk python-unit python2.4-epydoc
[05:14] <intelikey> if that errors try it without the -f
[05:15] <Jucato> what's igor trying to do?
[05:15] <intelikey> upgrade
[05:15] <igor> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29652/
[05:15] <intelikey> and is having a depends prob
[05:15] <Jucato> upgrade to Edgy?
[05:15] <intelikey> yeah
[05:15] <Jucato> igor: did you follow the steps from KubuntuUpgrade?
[05:15] <edseidel> evening all
[05:15] <igor> yes
[05:16] <igor> then it broke
[05:16] <Jucato> hm...
[05:16] <igor> then I've changed repos
[05:16] <igor> list
[05:16] <Jucato> changed it? to what?
[05:16] <BdySncher> anyone have a good program for viewing mutiple jpg images in a slideshow?
[05:16] <intelikey> igor did you try it with the -f ?
[05:16] <cyanid3> BdySncher - gwenview is a good one
[05:16] <Jucato> Gwenview
[05:16] <igor> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources
[05:16] <igor> yesd
[05:16] <BdySncher> danka
[05:17] <cyanid3> no prob
[05:17] <Jucato> !upgrade
[05:17] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[05:17] <cyanid3> I'm having some weird problems mounting an external hard drive..  the dmesg output is here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29653/
[05:17] <Jucato> igor: did you do this part already? "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal"
[05:19] <intelikey> igor try this; sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install  $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)
[05:20] <coreymon77> my dog just got skunked :(
[05:20] <Jucato> O_O
[05:20] <cyanid3> that must stink
[05:20] <cyanid3> ; )
[05:20] <intelikey> lier   you said the same thing 30 minutes ago,  and no dog will do that twice in that time......
[05:20] <intelikey> :)
[05:21] <Jucato> s/lier/liar
[05:21] <intelikey> yeah what he said
[05:21] <joel> hola
[05:21] <intelikey> joel
[05:21] <flake> ..
[05:22] <intelikey> igor where are you ?
[05:23] <igor> just very stupid guy
[05:23] <intelikey> ?
[05:23] <intelikey> not who just where ?
[05:23] <igor> here I am
[05:23] <intelikey> k did you try that ^
[05:23] <igor> yes
[05:23] <intelikey> igor try this; sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install  $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)
[05:23] <intelikey> what did it do ?
[05:24] <intelikey> that's a repost btw ^
[05:24] <igor> it displays a loong list of unmet depend.
[05:25] <cyanid3> does anyone know what this usb related dmesg means?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29653/
[05:25] <intelikey> ok.  can you pastebin the output
[05:26] <sinbad44> anyone here ever run guarddog firewall on kubuntu yet ?
[05:26] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29654/
[05:28] <xunix> anybody know where to get RTE for mozilla firefox or opera?
[05:28] <seishinbyou> All hail the power of Vubuntu....I mean, hello
[05:29] <intelikey> ok Jucato unless i'm not reading this correctly  the two packages "python2.4-htmltmpl & python2.4-xml" from the 6.6 install are, and probably were broken when he (igor) started the upgrade.     got any input on a fix for that ?
[05:30] <Jucato> it's because Edgy uses python3 already, afaik
[05:30] <Jucato> did he try the command I gave earler?
[05:30] <Jucato> "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal"
[05:30] <intelikey> repost it for him
[05:30] <intelikey> k
[05:30] <intelikey> igor  see jucato   try that ^
[05:31] <Jucato> at least, that's what the KubuntuUpgrade guide says
[05:31] <igor> tried
[05:31] <igor> again, very long list
[05:31] <igor> of unmet dep.
[05:32] <intelikey> errors out    yeah expected
[05:32] <unix_infidel> Jucato: edgy uses python 3?
[05:32] <unix_infidel> wetf?
[05:32] <Jucato> er.. I thought it did...
[05:32] <Jucato> hm..
[05:32] <unix_infidel> still 2.4 as far as i can tell.
[05:32] <unix_infidel> 2.5 was released a week or two before 3dgy.
[05:32] <Jucato> ah yeah
[05:32] <Jucato> sorry for the misinfo
[05:32] <Jucato> intelikey: sorry bout that
[05:33] <unix_infidel> i was in here asking about python 2.5 backports.
[05:33] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i didn't think it was going to be 3
[05:33] <unix_infidel> :)
[05:33] <Jucato> :P
[05:33] <Admiral_Chicago> wel whatever the case may be, i'm going to shower
[05:33] <Jucato> this is what happens when more blood goes to your stomach instead of your brain...
[05:33] <Jucato> but anyway, the breakage is mostly caused by a newer python version...
[05:33] <intelikey> igor change the etc/apt/sources.list back to dapper and do this;    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)
[05:33] <intelikey> see if we can fix the broken and then upgrade....
[05:33] <Jucato> intelikey: he's getting held back packages?
[05:34] <unix_infidel> Jucato: actually, edgy uses python 2.5, it seems they recently updated.
[05:34] <intelikey> Jucato yeah http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29654/plain/
[05:34] <Jucato> unix_infidel: haven't received any updates yet
[05:34] <unix_infidel> i was actually looking for 2.5 backports to LTS
[05:34] <igor> ok
[05:34] <Jucato> intelikey: I tried to use "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" for the last batch of held back packages, *after* installing kubuntu-desktop
[05:34] <Jucato> it's important that kubuntu-desktop is installed
[05:35] <intelikey> yes or that a lot of things that go with it are removed, one or the other.
[05:35] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm i didn't have kubuntu-desktop installed
[05:36] <Jucato> if it was removed, reinstall it
[05:36] <andresmujica> hi
[05:36] <dude> jucato: why is it my frostwire doesn't open
[05:36] <maryen> hey guys
[05:36] <Jucato> dude: a problem with the script, I guess....
[05:36] <andresmujica> why at ubuntu official repos the kde version is 3.5.2 and at the kubuntu repos the kde version is 3.5.5??
[05:36] <maryen> ey jucato, got any experience in apt-build?
[05:36] <andresmujica> the kde version at kubuntu is unofficil??
[05:36] <Jucato> maryen: sorry, nope
[05:36] <Admiral_Chicago> andresmujica: because edgy came out with kubuntu 3.5.5
[05:36] <maryen> darn
[05:36] <dude> jucato: so what should i do?
[05:37] <dude> maryen !
[05:37] <intelikey> andresmujica  3.5.2 is in dapper  and  3.5.5 edgy
[05:37] <Admiral_Chicago> to install kde 3.5.5, add the KDE repo
[05:37] <maryen> ?.?
[05:37] <Jucato> andresmujica: Kubuntu Dapper shipped with KDE 3.5.2, Kubuntu Edgy ships with KDE 3.5.5
[05:37] <andresmujica> no, i'm talking about dapper.. kde-latest for dapper is 3.5.5
[05:37] <Jucato> dude: honestly, I don't know. never tried to use frostwire
[05:37] <andresmujica> so is better to let dapper with 3.5.2??
[05:37] <maryen> have you got your system set up to use the right java?
[05:37] <Admiral_Chicago> andresmujica: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[05:38] <Jucato> andresmujica: Kubuntu packages more recent KDE versions but are not put into the main ubuntu repositories
[05:38] <intelikey> andresmujica better is in the eye of the doer
[05:38] <Jucato> they are official as far as Kubuntu is concerned
[05:38] <Admiral_Chicago> you'll need to get Riddell's key which is probably why it's not updating on Daper
[05:38] <Jucato> Riddel's key is available on each and every KDE upgrade page
[05:39] <Admiral_Chicago> shower now
[05:39] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: you've said that for the last 3 minutes...
[05:39] <intelikey> i need one of those
[05:39] <andresmujica> well, i usually update my servers with kubuntu repos to get the latest kde... but with 3.5.5 i'm having A LOT of issues... kmail with sasl, gam_server, dbus.. hal and usb.. etc. etcc so i'm trying to downgrade.
[05:40] <intelikey> ah
[05:40] <intelikey> not that bad i don't
[05:41] <intelikey> andresmujica servers with kde on them ???????
[05:41] <andresmujica> LTSP servers
[05:41] <dude> jucato: :(
[05:41] <dude> jucato: :( huhuhu
[05:41] <intelikey> but with kde on them ?
[05:42] <andresmujica> yeap for the thin clients..
[05:42] <intelikey> or gnome or any desktop environment......
[05:42] <andresmujica> well some users use gnome
[05:42] <andresmujica> but others use kde..
[05:42] <Jobberwacky> I use both
[05:43] <flaccid> i have both installed, only use kde
[05:43] <cyanid3> I'm unable to mount an external usb hard drive.  Here's the `dmesg | grep usb` : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29655/
[05:43] <intelikey> terminal servers    i was not thinking in those terms...
[05:43] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29656/
[05:43] <Jobberwacky> Well I don't use both on the same OS
[05:43] <igor> still the same
[05:43] <Jobberwacky> on ubuntu i use gnome and xfce, on fedora i use kde
[05:44] <intelikey> oh i installed 'nome kde blackbox fluxbox twm xfce4 and icewm95  on this box
[05:44] <andresmujica> yea, i've got the same questions.. should i use a server kernel? or a desktop kernel? this kind of servers are more like desktops than servers...
[05:44] <Jucato> igor: did you try "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" earlier? (using Edgy sources.list)
[05:44] <igor> yes
[05:44] <intelikey> i'm down to twm now.....
[05:44] <Jucato> igor: aptitude, not apt-get?
[05:45] <igor> no
[05:45] <Zaire> oooh just download the edgy image its much safer then changing your sources
[05:45] <igor> should I try?
[05:45] <Jucato> igor: wouldn't hurt. but you have to use the Edgy sources.list
[05:45] <Jobberwacky> you mean the alt cd is good for an upgrade?
[05:45] <Zaire> every single time I tried changing my sources to edgy following a kubuntu manual its broken my install
[05:45] <intelikey> what... Reinstallation of language-pack-en-base is not possible, it cannot be dl'd              igor your sources.list  ?
[05:46] <intelikey> Jucato shouldn't we first get his installation streightened out.... then upgrade
[05:47] <Jucato> intelikey: what? it's a fresh installation of Dapper?
[05:47] <intelikey> Jucato no but it's hosed.
[05:47] <seishinbyou> Is there a nice fix to get Wine working on Kubuntu Edgy?  The one I got from apt-get hangs the system and the one built from source segfaults on execution
[05:47] <intelikey> Jucato   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29656/
[05:47] <Jucato> intelikey: the upgrade problems are cauased by the upgrade itself, not the installation
[05:47] <dude> jucato: :( huhuhu pls help
[05:48] <Jobberwacky> wine doesn't work in edgy??
[05:48] <cyanid3> i think wine has an apt repository
[05:48] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29657/
[05:48] <RobNyc> !ati
[05:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:48] <RobNyc> Anyone here has ATI on Kubuntu Edgy
[05:48] <seishinbyou> It worked on Dapper no problem.  No idea why is won't work on a clean install of edgy
[05:49] <Jobberwacky> hmm, more reason for me not to upgrade
[05:49] <intelikey> Jucato i'll gladly back up out of the way.    IF you will fix igor    but what ever we do lets don't pull igor from both ends.
[05:49] <RobNyc> CVirus, hey
[05:49] <RobNyc> Hawkwind, hey
[05:49] <sinbad44> i think i may be going BACK to dapper
[05:49] <Jucato> intelikey: ok you take over then. I'm quite busy. thanks! :)
[05:49] <RobNyc> sinbad44, why
[05:50] <igor> intelikey?
[05:50] <sinbad44> way too many things dont work right on 6.06
[05:50] <intelikey> igor yes i just looked at it.
[05:50] <seishinbyou> It was a trade off, I guess.  I had some trouble with vmware on dapper.  No problems on edgy...opposite for wine
[05:50] <duane> i worked out all my edgy problems tho
[05:50] <dude> need help
[05:50] <duane> nice distro
[05:50] <duane> multimedia keys ftw
[05:50] <dude> frostwire doesn't open
[05:50] <Jobberwacky> 6.06 is dapper
[05:50] <intelikey> igor i thought you were going to change the sources back to dapper and fix the broken packages first then upgrade ?
[05:51] <igor> I tried thay
[05:51] <igor> I tried that
[05:51] <intelikey> igor that sources is all edgy
[05:51] <sinbad44> duane wat do u use in place of adept ?
[05:51] <cyanid3> seishinbyou, here's the official wine repo for ubuntu... http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[05:51] <duane> sinbad44: i dont use anything in place of adept
[05:51] <cyanid3> I don't know if that'll have problems too, but it might be worth a try
[05:51] <duane> what's wrong with adept?
[05:51] <igor> yes, now
[05:51] <seishinbyou> cyanid3: tried that.  That is the version that hangs my system
[05:52] <intelikey> ok were are we exactly igor ?
[05:52] <RobNyc> lets see if my ATI x1600 pro works
[05:52] <sinbad44> well adept hangs up alot on me when i try to install stuff
[05:52] <cyanid3> seishinbyou alright
[05:52] <dude> whats wrong with my frostwire
[05:52] <igor> going back to dapper
[05:52] <intelikey> i say you will not upgrade until you get dpkg fixed.  if jucato or someone else can say other wise let them say.
[05:53] <seishinbyou> Not a critical issue, as I can install most of what I need in the VMware WinXP image, but still
[05:53] <igor> Iok
[05:53] <sinbad44> if 6.06 is dapper then why doesnt the name dapper show up anywhere on my desktop or during the boot or anywhere else ?
[05:53] <igor> ok, I'm listening
[05:53] <intelikey> igor then change all 'edgy' to 'dapper' in the sources.list and lets see what we can do.
[05:54] <igor> did
[05:54] <intelikey> ok run   sudo apt-get update
[05:54] <Zaire> ummm you did warn him that it could frag his install right?
[05:54] <sinbad44> amarok seems to work nicely
[05:55] <dude> what kind of error is this? ---> "runFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")"
[05:56] <Jucato> dude: how are you running the script?
[05:56] <Jucato> or are you just pressing something from the K Menu?
[05:56] <dude> jucato: link, shortcut
[05:56] <igor> intelikey: done
[05:57] <igor> no prob.
[05:57] <intelikey> Jucato it's a syntax error
[05:57] <Jucato> does it link to somewhere like /usr/bin ?
[05:57] <intelikey> igor now run;  sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)
[05:57] <Jucato> intelikey: bash to dash problem I think
[05:57] <intelikey> no missind )
[05:57] <knapper> How do I choose which media player is used to play video files in file browse mode- konq
[05:57] <knapper> ?
[05:58] <Jucato> knapper: Konqueror -> Settings -> COnfigure Konqueror -> File Associations
[05:58] <dude> jucato: i also run frostwire from terminal
[05:58] <knapper> ah, thanks jucato
[05:58] <dude> jucato: i also run frostwire from terminal and gives me this error "runFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")
[05:58] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29659/
[05:58] <Jucato> dude: how are you running it? I think you have edit the script a bit
[05:59] <intelikey> igor ok sit tight and let me look.
[05:59] <intelikey> igor what's this ?
[06:00] <intelikey> igor you sure you posted the right url ?
[06:00] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29660/
[06:00] <igor> sorry
[06:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: now i'm out the shower
[06:00] <dude> jucato: ?
[06:00] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: well put something on!!!
[06:01] <Jucato> dude: what are you typing in the terminal to run frostwire?
[06:01] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: haha,working on it
[06:01] <dude> jucato: yes
[06:01] <dude> just frostwire
[06:01] <Admiral_Chicago> IRC or putting clothes on
[06:01] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: lol! IRC *while* putting on clothes
[06:01] <intelikey> igor ok now pastebin the output of;    dpkg -l | grep python
[06:01] <Jucato> dude: so there's a /usr/bin/frostwire script?
[06:03] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29661/
[06:06] <intelikey> igor sudo dpkg -P python-tk
[06:07] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29663/
[06:07] <dude_> jucato: yes there is
[06:07] <dude_> "#!/bin/bash"
[06:07] <dude_> "cd /usr/lib/frostwire"
[06:07] <dude_> "sh runFrost.sh"
[06:08] <Jucato> dude_: try looking for that runFrost.sh script
[06:09] <dude_> jucato: sh runFrost.sh? is this right?
[06:09] <dude_> bash and sh?
[06:09] <Jucato> dude_: I think so
[06:09] <Jucato> yes
[06:10] <Jucato> if the start of the script is #!/bin/bash, you don't need to do "bash script.sh"
[06:10] <xsacha> hi
[06:10] <Jucato> dude_: try to check if runFrost.sh starts with #!/bin/bash or #!/bin/sh.
[06:10] <Jucato> xsacha: hi!
[06:10] <xsacha> i have this new setup where i use the programs file, edit, etc menu for my top bar
[06:11] <xsacha> but i dont know how to change the background colour for it :S i know it is using kubuntu-panel.png
[06:11] <intelikey> ok what is depending on python-tk ?
[06:11] <intelikey> igor sudo apt-get remove python-tk
[06:12] <intelikey> pastebin the errors      assuming it give errors
[06:12] <xsacha> at the moment i have it so when i put mouse in top left corner, the K menu appears there :) working nicely
[06:12] <xsacha> other than that i have a full screen :)
[06:13] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29664/
[06:13] <Jucato> xsacha: you want to make that Mac OS X-like menu bar at the top use the settings of your main/regular panel?
[06:13] <xsacha> yes!
[06:13] <Jucato> xsacha: right-click on the panel, COnfigure Panel, Appearance options -> Advanced Options, check Apply to panel with menu
[06:13] <xsacha> cause i stock my clock and apps on that menu bar too but it looks ugly without transparency -- it atleast needs to be blue
[06:13] <xsacha> it doesnt have configure panel :(
[06:14] <Jucato> xsacha: on your other (main) panel
[06:14] <xsacha> ohh kcontrol
[06:14] <Jucato> you removed the main panel?
[06:14] <xsacha> yeah lol
[06:14] <Jucato> how?
[06:14] <intelikey> igor sudo apt-get remove python-tk  python-unit python2.4-epydoc python2.4-unit ttf-arphic-uming    <--- se where that goes.
[06:14] <xsacha> removed everything off it
[06:14] <Jucato> ah but it still runs
[06:14] <Jucato> it still exists :P
[06:15] <intelikey> only apt could give such trybble....
[06:15] <xsacha> :P
[06:15] <Jucato> xsacha: anyway, yeah kcontrol
[06:15] <intelikey> trubble even
[06:15] <Jucato> trouble even
[06:15] <xsacha> in panels? not seeing an option of another panel
[06:16] <Jucato> xsacha: no. in the Appearance options
[06:16] <xsacha> kk
[06:16] <Jucato> then the Advanced options button
[06:16] <Jucato> "Also apply to panel with menu bar"
[06:16] <xsacha> :S Advanced-> ?
[06:17] <xsacha> i mean Appearance-> where is advanceD?
[06:17] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29665/
[06:17] <Jucato> ok...
[06:17] <Jucato> xsacha: KControl -> Desktop -> Panels -> Appearance tab -> Advanced Options button
[06:17] <Jucato> (that's what you get for removing the main panel :P)
[06:18] <intelikey> igor i thought you removed that ^   sudo apt-get remove  python-epydoc
[06:18] <xsacha> gah "also apply to..." lol what a stupid option hidden there
[06:18] <intelikey> igor if that goes without error i think we are almost there....
[06:18] <xsacha> thanks
[06:18] <Jucato> :P
[06:19] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29666/
[06:19] <Jucato> xsacha: happy now? :)
[06:19] <xsacha> yep
[06:19] <Jucato> btw, I hate that Mac OS X style... kinda illogical/unintuitive... :P
[06:20] <xsacha> yeah but i have so much space now
[06:20] <Jucato> but I'm glad you're happy :)
[06:21] <xsacha> now i just need to remove window borders..
[06:22] <intelikey> igor what are you doing?    didn't you just remove python-tk python-unit python2.4-epydoc python2.4-unit ttf-arphic-uming python-epydoc ????    why are you getting a depends for thos packages now?      what command did you run ?
[06:22] <intelikey> is that the right url ?   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29666/ ????
[06:23] <igor> yes
[06:23] <igor> I've run the commnand, I can do it again
[06:23] <xsacha> i see they now have a beryl themes section in kde-look :D
[06:23] <intelikey> do it again.
[06:23] <Jucato> heh... they really should reorganize that...
[06:23] <igor> done, no change
[06:24] <xsacha> thing is there's not really any such thing as a beryl theme, they mean emerald themes..
[06:24] <Jucato> emerald?
[06:24] <xsacha> this is the first (and only) theme they added, not bad! http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=48085&file1=48085-1.jpg&file2=48085-2.jpg&file3=48085-3.jpg&name=uBlue
[06:24] <Jucato> xsacha: I might need your expertise next week btw...
[06:24] <intelikey> and your sources.list is dapper and you did update the database igor  ?
[06:24] <xsacha> yeah emerald  does the window decorations
[06:24] <intelikey> just dubble checking...
[06:24] <Jucato> emerald is the window manager?
[06:25] <xsacha> beryl does window manager, emerald does window decorations
[06:25] <Jucato> er.. so two separate things...
[06:25] <xsacha> yep, without emerald you have no borders :P
[06:25] <igor> ok, here is my sourcelist: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29667/
[06:26] <Jucato> xsacha: how do you deal with keyboard shortcuts? I heard that the regular KDE keyboard shortcuts don't work in beryl
[06:26] <xsacha> well of course kwin shortcuts wont work..
[06:26] <maryen> wow, this is the first time my system has ever used both processors at full speed at once
[06:26] <xsacha> all the keys in beryl are configurably though beryl-settings though
[06:26] <intelikey> igor ok.   apt-get dist-upgrade -f
[06:26] <intelikey> sudo that
[06:27] <Jucato> xsacha: well not the kwin shortcuts. how about kde apps shortcuts? or kmenu shortcuts? so ctrl+alt+D to show Desktop doesn't work anymore?
[06:27] <xsacha> ctrl+alt+d shows desktop.. but it's beryls implementation (so it has an animation -- if you want)
[06:27] <Jucato> ah
[06:28] <Jucato> ok... I love my shortcuts, so I was a bit hesitant/disappointed to hear about that..
[06:28] <xsacha> by default it's alt+f4 to close window and so on.. there's shortcuts for just about everything, cant think of any that are lost off the top of my head
[06:28] <Jucato> Ctrl+Q?
[06:29] <xsacha> ctrl+q is application shortcut?
[06:29] <Jucato> xsacha: well anyway, I'll be asking you a lot next week :)
[06:29] <Jucato> I think so. Ctrl+Q = Quit
[06:29] <xsacha> ctrl+q is done by the individual program, so beryl wont affect it
[06:31] <intelikey> igor you are being awfully quiet......
[06:31] <igor> intelikey: sorry, haven't slept last night
[06:31] <igor> it is working !!!
[06:32] <intelikey> don't get your hopes too high
[06:32] <intelikey> a shot and a chaser might go better with this one......
[06:33] <igor> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29668/
[06:36] <intelikey> igor ok now we try the long string again and see if it fixes this... this looks more promicing now.
[06:36] <intelikey> sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)
[06:38] <intelikey> and possably an   sudo dpkg --configure -a      just for good measure.
[06:38] <intelikey> :)
[06:38] <igor> it is waiting for headers now
[06:39] <igor> i'll give you output at the end
[06:39] <intelikey> k
[06:39] <fignew> seishinbyou: have you tried troubleshooting
[06:39] <fignew> ?
[06:40] <seishinbyou> I've tried since Breezy Badger; this laptop has always been cursed with something(s) nonstandard; I've learned to live with it
[06:40] <seishinbyou> The multicard reader works, though, strangely
[06:40] <fignew> seishinbyou: have you tested it in xev?
[06:41] <xsacha> that sucks seishinbyou :( no function keys?
[06:41] <intelikey> Jucato i have one... :)
[06:41] <fignew> Jucato: I know, I own 3 ;)
[06:41] <xsacha> i've got a laptop :P i use it for uni
[06:41] <Jucato> rawr!
[06:41] <intelikey> hehhe but it's a 486
[06:41] <intelikey> :)
[06:41] <seishinbyou> xev doesn't pick up squat
[06:41] <fignew> hmm
[06:41] <Jucato> I only have a desktop, with an almost 5-year old 14" monitor with 1024x768 max res
[06:41] <fignew> does dmesg say anything?
[06:42] <intelikey> Jucato 14"  8*{
[06:42] <seishinbyou> nothing
[06:42] <seishinbyou> the keys work in Windows, though
[06:42] <intelikey> at least i have a 17"  crt
[06:42] <Jucato> maybe the laptop was made with windows in mind...
[06:42] <intelikey> would like a 19" liquid
[06:43] <fignew> 19 LCD is only $160
[06:43] <Jucato> heh I'm ok with a CRT... I'm quite a gamer so an LCD might not be good for me
[06:43] <RawSewage> how do I check for updates.   sudo apt-get update  ?  will that tell me if there's updates I need to get?
[06:43] <fignew> seishinbyou: I have the same thing, only one key, in windows it switches through power options
[06:43] <soundmaster80> what can i use for windows remote desktop connection?
[06:43] <Jucato> RawSewage: if there are updates available, there will be an icon in your system tray
[06:44] <intelikey> RawSewage sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:44] <RawSewage> Jucato: what if I have that disapled
[06:44] <fignew> no
[06:44] <fignew> not dist-upgrade
[06:44] <Jucato> RawSewage: then there are updates available. you click on that to launch update manager
[06:44] <intelikey> yes dist-upgrade
[06:44] <RawSewage> Jucato: I have that program disabled
[06:44] <fignew> I assure you, dist-upgrade is only when upgrading versions
[06:45] <Jucato> RawSewage: ah then you won't get that notification in your system tray, you'd have to do what intelikey said
[06:45] <intelikey> fignew wrong
[06:45] <soundmaster80> what can i use for windows remote desktop connection?
[06:45] <igor> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29669/
[06:45] <intelikey> read the man page
[06:45] <fignew> and or major changes
[06:45] <RawSewage> Jucato: Whats the notifictaion program called again.  I'll re-enable it
[06:45] <Jucato> fignew: Adept and Synaptic, by default, use dist-upgrade for updates
[06:45] <Jucato> RawSewage: adept_notifier
[06:45] <fignew> which can break your system :)
[06:45] <RawSewage> ty
[06:45] <Jucato> fignew: not really
[06:45] <Jucato> unless you have unofficial repos
[06:46] <RawSewage> I dont know why I turned it off
[06:46] <fignew> well, run debian unstable, and you'll agree with me :)
[06:46] <Jucato> Ubuntu != Debian Sid
[06:46] <Jucato> s/Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[06:46] <fignew> Ubuntu = Debian unstable snapshots
[06:47] <seishinbyou> There are a handful of special function keys/combos on this laptop that don't work right or at all under Kubuntu: Brightness, Contrast, CD Eject, External Monitor Output, Volume
[06:47] <fignew> so technically, they are the same
[06:47] <fignew> seishinbyou: what vid card?
[06:47] <Jucato> fignew: not really. Ubuntu takes a snapshot of Sid then packages it for Ubuntu.
[06:47] <seishinbyou> intel 855gm
[06:47] <fignew> that's what I said
[06:47] <Jucato> by the time it finishes package, Sid would have changed again
[06:47] <xsacha> seishinbyou: have you tried configuring your keyboard? with xmodmap thing?
[06:47] <intelikey> igor sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:47] <digivore> will dist-upgrade   upgrade from dapper to edgy?
[06:48] <RawSewage> it either case, plain sudo apt-get upgrade  is safe, right
[06:48] <fignew> yes
[06:48] <fignew> digivore: ^^
[06:48] <Jucato> which means by the time of an Ubuntu release, Sid and Ubuntu will not be exactly identical
[06:48] <xsacha> seishinbyou: you can press your key in key capturer, find out the value of that key and then enter it into xmodmap with its intended function
[06:48] <intelikey> digivore only if you change your sources.list
[06:48] <digivore> fignew, thx
[06:48] <Jucato> digivore: it's not the full story, but yes
[06:48] <seishinbyou> xsacha: the capturer doesn't pick up the key
[06:48] <Jucato> and only if you change your sources.list, as intelikey said
[06:48] <fignew> assuming you've changed your sources
[06:48] <seishinbyou> (keys)
[06:48] <xsacha> ouch!
[06:48] <intelikey> RawSewage dist-upgrade is safe too
[06:48] <digivore> sources.list will have dapper references..
[06:48] <xsacha> :(
[06:48] <seishinbyou> Next time, I'm not getting a LaVie, methinks
[06:49] <igor> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29670/
[06:49] <intelikey> RawSewage the differances are, upgrade doesn't get system upgrades like kernel  dist-upgrade will
[06:49] <fignew> 99% of the time upgrade will do the exact same thing as dist-upgrade
[06:49] <RawSewage> ok
[06:49] <RawSewage> thats weird
[06:49] <Jucato> fignew: not if you tried to upgrade from KDE 3.5.2/3.5.3 to 3.5.4 in Dapper
[06:49] <fignew> xsacha: can you at least adjust the brightness of the laptop?
[06:50] <RawSewage> There havent been any updates since Edgy came out
[06:50] <RawSewage> I guess Im used to daily updates with Edgy beta
[06:50] <Jucato> RawSewage: everybody's busy partying? heheh kidding
[06:50] <RawSewage> yeah!
[06:50] <xsacha> fignew: don't know, i've never had a problem with brightness..
[06:50] <Jucato> well of course that was Beta :)
[06:50] <Jucato> you should have started with Knot 1. updates daily
[06:50] <RawSewage> Edgy has a few bugs, but I like it
[06:50] <Jucato> sometimes even more than once a day
[06:50] <RawSewage> I started with Knot 2, I think
[06:51] <fignew> my mistake, seishinbyou: can you at least adjust the brightness of the laptop?
[06:51] <intelikey> igor that's a script error (aka bug)  try;  sudo apt-get remove xfonts-intl-european
[06:51] <xsacha> i have had this problem with some linux distributions -- really funky -- when i stick power (wall) into laptop, the monitor dims, then when i take power out and make it use its battery -- it brightens the screen!! WTF lol
[06:51] <RawSewage> but when it came out officially, I did a fresh install
[06:51] <seishinbyou> fignew: Nope.  I set it to max in Windows, and then just left it when using Kubuntu
[06:52] <seishinbyou> For some reason, the change to brightness/contrast, when made through windows, is some sort of permanent setting
[06:52] <fignew> awkward :/
[06:52] <fignew> what type of laptop?
[06:52] <intelikey> RawSewage did you get any upgrades ?   :)
[06:52] <seishinbyou> It is a LaVie (Japanese model)
[06:52] <RawSewage> intelikey: no
[06:52] <intelikey> try in a weak or so....
[06:52] <seishinbyou> LN502/C to be exact
[06:52] <igor> intelikey: again   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29671/
[06:52] <seishinbyou> I don't think NEC even makes them anymore
[06:52] <RawSewage> ok
[06:53] <soundmaster80> i have dhcp server configured but i forget where the file is to see the clients leases
[06:53] <soundmaster80> any help?
[06:53] <seishinbyou> CD Eject is just odd.  There is no eject button on the CD tray; it is done through a special function key combo.  The "Eject" menu option in KDE works, though
[06:54] <Zaire> anyone know of any good XGL helps for kubuntu that I can print and try later?
[06:54] <fignew> I'd be trouble otherwise :/
[06:54] <Jucato> !xgl > Zaire
[06:55] <intelikey> igor sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/xfonts-intl-european.postrm . && sudo apt-get remove xfonts-intl-european
[06:55] <seishinbyou> fignew: Well, it drive itself isn't that great; I have an external in the office I use for most of my needs anyways
[06:56] <seishinbyou> Combine that with the funky screen res and I've got one messed up laptop, but at least Kubuntu works on it to a greater degree; even Beryl
[06:56] <xsacha> that sucks seishinbyou :P my laptop has a little inbuilt button on side to press
[06:56] <soundmaster80> *sigh* can no one tell me where the dhcpd leases are found?
[06:56] <xsacha> router?
[06:57] <igor> intelikey: OK
[06:57] <fignew> soundmaster80: you mean dhcp server?
[06:57] <soundmaster80> if your asking me, i have it on the server
[06:57] <soundmaster80> yes :)
[06:57] <fignew> as in dhcpd?
[06:57] <soundmaster80> yup
[06:57] <fignew> 1 sec
[06:57] <soundmaster80> i have my server with dhcp giving address, i just want to see where that file is so i can look a machine up
[06:57] <intelikey> igor sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-base
[06:58] <soundmaster80> also, my previous question....i would like to remote desktop to a xp MCE box but i'm having a hard time with krdc
[06:58] <fignew> soundmaster80: check under /var/lib/misc
[06:58] <intelikey> if that goes without a hitch we call jucato and get you on edgy.
[06:58] <seishinbyou> xsacha: Well, beggers can't be choosers, and this laptop was given to me by the company
[06:58] <seishinbyou> It's better than running Windows
[06:58] <soundmaster80> nothing there
[06:59] <fignew> hmm
[06:59] <fignew> 1 sec
[07:00] <soundmaster80> found it thanks...../var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases
[07:00] <igor> intlikey: OK
[07:00] <soundmaster80> can anyone help with the remote desktop problems i'm having now :)
[07:00] <intelikey> igor your system is ready for the upgrade.
[07:00] <fignew> har!
[07:00] <intelikey> wish jucato was around now.....
[07:00] <xsacha> in windows task manager, the memory usage values for processes have shared memory subtracted from them?
[07:00] <igor> I'm not sure I want one any more
[07:00] <igor> :)
[07:01] <intelikey> igor well at least if you don't it's not broken now.
[07:01] <soundmaster80> lol, nevermind...apparantly it's working now as well
[07:01] <igor> Thanks man
[07:01] <fignew> soundmaster80: just wondering, what type of remote desktop?
[07:02] <intelikey> igor any time.  i know how big a headach dpkg errors can be.
[07:02] <fignew> what software?
[07:02] <intelikey> igor that's the one part of the system that you don't want broke....
[07:02] <soundmaster80> windows xp remote desktop
[07:02] <fignew> rdesktop :(
[07:02] <ironfroggy> anyone having trouble with AIM through Kopete?
[07:02] <soundmaster80> i use it to update, etc my media center box
[07:02] <igor> so can you tell me this:
[07:02] <fignew> MythTV!
[07:03] <igor> what source list should I use for upgrade?
[07:03] <intelikey> edgy
[07:03] <soundmaster80> lol, i know....i would use mythTV but i don't think that it does dvd playback as a regular dvd player
[07:03] <igor> yes, but which repos
[07:03] <fignew> I'm sure it does :P
[07:03] <fignew> that's basic
[07:03] <soundmaster80> oh, and i have an nvidia dualtv and i don't think it's supported ither
[07:03] <igor> all or just some
[07:03] <soundmaster80> true, and thinking about it...i don't want to have to remap keys
[07:04] <intelikey> igor ok pastebin your sources.list and i'll make corrections for you.
[07:04] <soundmaster80> i must admit...i just built the system, installed the OS, and everything worked
[07:04] <soundmaster80> plug in the remote and it's laid out well
[07:04] <intelikey> i think all but don't remember if your backports was commented out or not.
[07:04] <fignew> :( @ nvidia
[07:05] <xsacha> anyone have a default xorg.conf they can paste? with all the wacom entries and rest of it
[07:05] <soundmaster80> i don't like giving ms anymore credit than i have to
[07:05] <igor> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29677/
[07:05] <intelikey> why does M$ need credit.  M$ can afford to pay cash.
[07:05] <Zaire> MS sucks lol
[07:05] <soundmaster80> lol
[07:05] <fignew> MCE is ok, just not as flexible as myth
[07:05] <igor> intelikey: I am in japan, so I think I can use  jp instead au?
[07:05] <soundmaster80> true...very true
[07:05] <fignew> Zaire: huh?
[07:05] <xsacha> mce for some reason doesnt work with either of my tv cards
[07:05] <intelikey> igor ok. i'm on it.
[07:06] <fignew> MS is fine
[07:06] <xsacha> and i like the software that came with my tv card better
[07:06] <soundmaster80> however i'm not one to say that linux will be bursting onto the main desktop scene anytime in the next couple of years...but that's another topic :)
[07:06] <seishinbyou> Ooh, another one (referring to igor in Japan)
[07:06] <Zaire> I would love it if linux was mainstream I hate windows with a passion lol
[07:07] <seishinbyou> It is on the server side
[07:07] <soundmaster80> as do i, but working 5 years in rural community tech support i can tell you that linux is not ready for the masses yet....i do not like saying it but still
[07:07] <xsacha> lol
[07:07] <fignew> no need to hate windows
[07:07] <soundmaster80> i agree with zaire
[07:08] <xsacha> needs to work out of box for everyone
[07:08] <fignew> I don't think it *needs* improvement
[07:08] <Zaire> for me I hate windows thats all I got to say about it
[07:08] <fignew> works perfect for me ;)
[07:08] <fignew> It's not meant to be a OS for everyone
[07:09] <soundmaster80> true, I would just like the person who is ready to throw it to the masses to work tech support for those people for a couple of years
[07:09] <xsacha> how long till mp3 can be packed in distro without it being a restricted format?
[07:09] <seishinbyou> That is why there are so many distros, because one size definitely does not fit all
[07:09] <Zaire> dunno if anyone else has tried Vista RC2 but I tried it out of curiosity and it breaks so damn easy
[07:09] <soundmaster80> i love it...it's wonderful for me...just not everyone :)
[07:09] <fignew> amen soundmaster80
[07:09] <Zaire> I installed daemon tools and vista broke
[07:10] <seishinbyou> So did Windows 3.0 though (oops, UAE window of death.  I must have breathed wrong)
[07:10] <soundmaster80> thank you fignew
[07:10] <xsacha> vista version of daemon tools Zaire?
[07:10] <fignew> Zaire: I bet I can break linux before I break windows :P
[07:10] <soundmaster80> hmm....possible
[07:10] <Endler> Linux needs get get better video and wifi  driver support.  Other than that, I think it's really for prime time.
[07:10] <xsacha> yeah wifi is shocking right now, i have to use windows drivers -- atleast the windows drivers work on it though
[07:10] <fignew> video, you just need to know two words nvidia or intel ;)
[07:11] <soundmaster80> well, i've talked to people for 30-45 minutes looking for an icon that has been moved an inch away
[07:11] <Zaire> a friend of mine uses a wifi card and it didn't need drivers or anything it was recognized the moment he stuck it in
[07:11] <soundmaster80> true
[07:11] <xsacha> lucky him :) i wasnt so lucky
[07:11] <Endler> What about the WPA situation?
[07:11] <Zaire> I think it was a prism2
[07:11] <fignew> WPA works fine
[07:12] <soundmaster80> well, my philosophy is just research before what works easist and buy that
[07:12] <Zaire> and he was using damn small linux
[07:12] <xsacha> yeha no more ati cards
[07:12] <intelikey> igor ok try this one.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29680/plain/
[07:12] <soundmaster80> i am SO not giving this to my mother....the second i tell her to pop open a CLI it's over
[07:12] <Endler> I don't know of a single card that works natively with WPA -- all use wpa_supplicant.
[07:12] <fignew> xsacha: I wont be buying ATI because they dropped support for my 9200... a perfectly functional card
[07:12] <soundmaster80> atheros?
[07:13] <xsacha> lol soundmaster80 :P
[07:13] <soundmaster80> lol, well it's true
[07:13] <intelikey> igor be advised that the website uses M$ markup so you cant just dl that and use it.  it will have wrong end of line chars
[07:13] <Zaire> lol 9200 thats understandable that they did
[07:13] <xsacha> i wont be buying ati coz their drivers suck -- simple
[07:13] <xsacha> Zaire: nvidia still support geforce 2 in their latest drivers
[07:13] <fignew> Zaire: how so? it had 128mb of ram
[07:13] <soundmaster80> i have a friend who is die-hard linux and is ready to give it to everyone he knows...but he's never worked on anyone's pc but his own
[07:13] <xsacha> let alone, geforce 4 mx440 -- a card i had 5 years ago
[07:14] <intelikey> igor if you dl that do "dos2unix <filename> "  to it.
[07:14] <Zaire> 128 is laughable with the games that are coming out now
[07:14] <Endler> I just put Kubuntu on my notebook, but on my desktop I can't get any good  video support because nobody supports Xorg 7.2
[07:14] <Jucato> *sniff* don't be so cruel Zaire *sniff*
[07:14] <Zaire> just being honest
[07:14] <Endler> Have to use open source r300 driver, and it really sucks.
[07:14] <soundmaster80> well, it's on everything i have now...except the MCE
[07:14] <xsacha> Zaire: fact is that it's not that old though.. they are sort of forcing him to upgrade his card
[07:14] <intelikey> Jucato your back !
[07:14] <fignew> yea, I upgraded, to nvidia
[07:14] <Jucato> intelikey: yes, and about to sleep too :D
[07:15] <Zaire> I would buy ATI cause its the better graphics card
[07:15] <fignew> Zaire: I don't play many games
[07:15] <xsacha> Zaire: not on linux it isnt :P
[07:15] <fignew> Zaire: hardly ;)
[07:15] <Zaire> a friend of mine runs ubuntu on his X800 just fine
[07:15] <xsacha> Zaire: a radeon 7500 will outperform an X800 on linux :S
[07:15] <fignew> X800 is OLD!!!!
[07:15] <fignew> ;)
[07:15] <intelikey> Jucato doesnt' really matter igor may not upgrade after all.... least not today.    but we did get the package manager streightened out.
[07:15] <soundmaster80> i will love to see the day when more games are on linux...frozen bubble get old :)
[07:15] <Zaire> I know I plan to get an X1900 XTX
[07:16] <xsacha> Zaire: is it supported? :P
[07:16] <Jucato> intelikey: ah good. at least he has a working system. that's what's important :)
[07:16] <fignew> soundmaster80: savage
[07:16] <Zaire> should be yea
[07:16] <Endler> Yeah, it's a riot.  With ATI cards  the older the better for Linux--really sad.
[07:16] <intelikey> yes.  all is well.
[07:16] <xsacha> should be.. but this is ATI..
[07:16] <Zaire> so
[07:16] <soundmaster80> savage?
[07:16] <Zaire> their hardware acceleration out performs Nvidias in clock speed memory speed and pixel pipelines
[07:17] <xsacha> Zaire: not on linux
[07:17] <fignew> soundmaster80: http://www.s2games.com/savage/index.php?page=savageindex
[07:17] <Endler> Well, older Radeons, anyway.  ;)
[07:17] <intelikey> Jucato "kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-base"  is there any other meta package that needs installed before the upgrade ?
[07:17] <Zaire> whatever I go for top notch hardware and gaming requires winblows unfortunately
[07:17] <Jucato> intelikey: none that I know of. check the wiki I guess
[07:18] <intelikey> Jucato i made sure he had those three...
[07:18] <Jucato> !upgrade > intelikey
[07:18] <soundmaster80> where is it that i can change konversation to open links in firefox?
[07:18] <seishinbyou> If I were interested in PC games, I'd probably just do it all on Windows anyways
[07:18] <fignew> Zaire: nah, just nvidia
[07:18] <Jucato> soundmaster80: if you make Firefox your default browser, it will open in Firefox
[07:18] <soundmaster80> ah...
[07:18] <soundmaster80> is this a RPG game?
[07:18] <Zaire> the games I play fignew won't play on linux short of UT2k4
[07:18] <intelikey> is that the latest info on this.  cause it has been a pretty buggy upgrade for many?
[07:19] <soundmaster80> LOL
[07:19] <Zaire> my main game right now is BattleField 2
[07:19] <soundmaster80> tuxracer is smooth as silk baby ...lol
[07:19] <Jucato> intelikey: that's the one fdovng uses, and the one we give out
[07:19] <fignew> soundmaster80: sorta, it's a first person realtime strat.
[07:19] <intelikey> ok.
[07:19] <fignew> you can play as an individual or as a commander
[07:20] <intelikey> igor where are you now ?
[07:20] <soundmaster80> hmm...sounds cool
[07:20] <seishinbyou> You could just dual boot; Windows for games and Linux for everything else (well, emulation of older systems is fine on either)
[07:20] <Jucato> intelikey: although a lot of factors can affect the upgrade: compiz, automatix, easyubuntu, PLF
[07:20] <Endler> I have windows on another partition, but I only seem boot into it once or twice a month now.
[07:20] <igor> intelikey: it seems to be OK, I copy-paste that to KWrite and saved with UNIX
[07:20] <soundmaster80> a lot of people dual boot for games
[07:20] <fignew> soundmaster80: real fun, needs alot of computing power though
[07:20] <igor> intelikey: it is doing the procedure now
[07:20] <intelikey> igor k  good.
[07:20] <soundmaster80> 3000+ a64 ?
[07:20] <soundmaster80> that's all i have for now
[07:21] <soundmaster80> lol, it's sad that my laptop has more HP than my desktop now
[07:21] <xsacha> http://www.thcsp.net/images/battlefield/mapping/alpine_assault/fh/v2.0/insidebarn_newtextures_b.jpg
[07:21] <Zaire> mines an AMD athlon 64 X2 3800+
[07:21] <fignew> soundmaster80: vid card?
[07:21] <soundmaster80> i wouldn't mind that but i think after i buy my mac mini i'm going core 2
[07:21] <soundmaster80> 6600gt
[07:21] <soundmaster80> lol....$200 when i bought it
[07:22] <intelikey> igor if nothing else you have learned a few things about fixing dpkg.  that could come in handy some day.  :)
[07:22] <fignew> that'll work fine
[07:22] <soundmaster80> good lord i wish gaming would slow down a bit in hardware needs
[07:22] <Zaire> Nvidia 6100 onboard
[07:22] <Endler> What about running a virtual machine inside Linux for games?  I haven't tried it, but seem like it would be more convenient
[07:22] <soundmaster80> NO
[07:22] <soundmaster80> slow
[07:22] <seishinbyou> Endler: slow slow slow
[07:22] <xsacha> Zaire: what framerate on battlefield 2 in linux?
[07:22] <Zaire> not sure dunno how to check lol
[07:22] <seishinbyou> You are better off trying in bochs if you are going that route
[07:22] <xsacha> Endler: no video acceleration in virtual machines
[07:22] <seishinbyou> and that isn't saying much
[07:22] <Zaire> that and Ive always had very bad gfx in linux for bf2
[07:23] <soundmaster80> endler, you have to realize that, at least with vmware, they have a specific set of virtual hardware that makes up the pc
[07:23] <seishinbyou> Okay for Turn Based Strategy though, maybe
[07:23] <soundmaster80> you might have a 7900 card but vmware will not see that
[07:23] <seishinbyou> It emulates its' own "VMWare" display device
[07:23] <xsacha> virtual machines cannot do 3d video acceleration, .
[07:23] <intelikey> seishinbyou email is ok for turn based stratigy .....
[07:23] <Endler> Where is the cheapest place to get a 6600?  I've had it with ATI, but don't want to spend a whole lot.
[07:24] <soundmaster80> it doesn't mirror your system but configures a virtual "prebuilt" system
[07:24] <fignew> Endler: newegg :)
[07:24] <soundmaster80> newegg.com
[07:24] <seishinbyou> intelikey: Yes, this is true, as many a game of Diplomacy can attest to
[07:24] <soundmaster80> other than that directron.com
[07:24] <igor> intelikey: I don't know what I would do without your help
[07:24] <Zaire> Im running XP pro at the moment despite my previous statements but I have been having a hard time dual booting
[07:24] <Endler> I think the cheapest they had there was $79.
[07:24] <xsacha> :S
[07:24] <intelikey> igor follow someone else ???
[07:24] <intelikey> :)
[07:24] <soundmaster80> sometimes you can find it cheaper there but i've had wonderful luck with newegg support
[07:24] <fignew> Endler: for 6600?
[07:24] <intelikey> lol
[07:24] <soundmaster80> well, up till now
[07:24] <Endler> Saw one on comp USA for $39, but it was out of stock.
[07:24] <Endler> For good, I'm sure.
[07:25] <soundmaster80> i refused a cisco router and have yet to be refunded for it
[07:25] <Endler> Yes, a 6600
[07:25] <soundmaster80> *sniff* i wanted to keep it but i needed the $350 more
[07:25] <xsacha> maybe i coulda traded in my ati for that 6600 lol
[07:25] <Zaire> mmmmm cisco routers lol
[07:25] <Endler> Yeah, I've had nothing but good luck with newegg.
[07:25] <intelikey> although i do admit most in here would have dropped that hot potatoo long before it cooled off....
[07:25] <soundmaster80> dude, they are nice but this is much better www.pfsense.com
[07:26] <soundmaster80> AH, i love that distro
[07:26] <xsacha> i think my onboard nvidia card would perform better than this ati :S
[07:26] <Zaire> I would offer a store name or 2 but its canadian sites lol
[07:26] <seishinbyou> Fine if you are in Canada, I guess
[07:26] <Zaire> yes yes I am lol
[07:26] <fignew> pfsense is good, been using m0n0wall for the past few years
[07:26] <soundmaster80> much better than m0n0wall
[07:27] <fignew> soundmaster80: on a soekris?
[07:27] <Zaire> I got my board and proc for 315 bux
[07:27] <fignew> m0n0wall is 10x better on a soekris
[07:27] <fignew> actually
[07:27] <fignew> infinitely
[07:27] <fignew> because pfsense prob. won't even run ;)
[07:27] <soundmaster80> yup
[07:28] <soundmaster80> they have a embedded version
[07:28] <soundmaster80> however i'll show you what i use for routers...brb
[07:28] <soundmaster80> well, it is a breakoff of m0n0wall
[07:28] <soundmaster80> course you probably knew that
[07:28] <Zaire> lol Ive got BW leechers on Azureus
[07:28] <Endler> Anyone using a peer guardian type program?  I used to use it under windows, but don't think it's being supported under Linux any longer.  Think they were recommending moblock or something like that.
[07:28] <intelikey> oh it's lunch time...  back in a bit.
[07:28] <fignew> yep, I've use both
[07:29] <Endler> Which are you using now?
[07:29] <Zaire> Im seeding the edgy DVD right now lol
[07:29] <soundmaster80> hmm....my dns server must have started screwing up
[07:29] <soundmaster80> webpages aren't loading
[07:29] <fignew> pfsense ;)
[07:30] <soundmaster80> http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-Optiplex-GX110-PIII-933MHz-256MB-Desktop-Computer_W0QQitemZ160044530164QQihZ006QQcategoryZ140070QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[07:30] <soundmaster80> that's what i use for routers
[07:30] <xsacha> soundmaster80: http://64.233.167.99 -- work?
[07:30] <xsacha> :P
[07:30] <soundmaster80> lol....actually right now i have a flashed buffalo with DD_WRT
[07:30] <fignew> http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/deals/dealzmodo-700mhz-dell-refurb-optiplex-celeron-for-4791-211390.php
[07:30] <Zaire> I use Linksys prefferably
[07:31] <soundmaster80> had to move my router to ubuntu server....waiting on one of these to come in to set it up again
[07:31] <soundmaster80> heck no....buffalo is just as good
[07:31] <soundmaster80> and cheap on newegg
[07:31] <soundmaster80> about $40
[07:31] <fignew> the problem is I'm on a 100mbit link, so no embedded router can handle that speed
[07:31] <Zaire> I would love one of those $3800 cisco network switch routers
[07:32] <soundmaster80> yeah, i go to arkansas state U. and we're getting net2 in the next few months
[07:32] <xsacha> :)
[07:33] <fignew> the only problem is finding server that are fast enough to fill up the whole pipe
[07:33] <soundmaster80> anywho, on the router....i do contract work for a local set of libraries ...pfsense does exactly what they need where it would take a $1k cisco to come close
[07:34] <Endler> The problem with using an old computer as a firewall is all the electricity it burns.
[07:34] <Zaire> yea
[07:34] <Zaire> I can deff see that lol
[07:34] <soundmaster80> true, but i wouldn't think that one i showed would be a AC hog
[07:34] <notech> cisco is worth it though
[07:34] <soundmaster80> lol, maybe
[07:34] <soundmaster80> i do like cisco
[07:35] <soundmaster80> but i like pfsense more
[07:35] <fignew> cisco is way overpriced
[07:35] <Endler> I do have computer I built esp to be  low power though.  C3 chip with passive cooling and a notebook drive.
[07:35] <soundmaster80> AMEN
[07:35] <Zaire> it was kinda funny when me and my friends went to the last Lan party here the 3 of them turned there computers on and threw a breaker lol
[07:35] <notech> i love my cisco router and switch
[07:35] <soundmaster80> and the licensing that goes with them totally blows chunks
[07:35] <fignew> Endler: I'm really big into silent computing
[07:36] <fignew> ex. I have a laptop HD in my desktop :-O
[07:36] <soundmaster80> lol, it's funny...i have a cisco sitting right beside this buffalo and its not even plugged up
[07:36] <Zaire> anyone know of any good cheap water kits cause my computer sounds like its about to take off lol
[07:36] <Endler> I used to use Compatible Systems VPN.  When Cisco bought them out they rebadged them and trippled the price :)
[07:36] <soundmaster80> fignew, i've been wishing for sometime to build a silent pc
[07:36] <soundmaster80> something passively cooled
[07:36] <pc22>  need to use internet explorer and i got it using ie4linux but i cant use activex
[07:36] <Endler> Yup, quite is good.
[07:37] <soundmaster80> www.codeweavers.com is all i can tell you pc22
[07:37] <soundmaster80> it's been the best for me at installling IE
[07:37] <pc22> checking now
[07:37] <soundmaster80> pc22, question
[07:37] <Endler> ie4linux worked really well for me.
[07:37] <soundmaster80> have you thought about vmware player and XP
[07:38] <notech> the majority of the time the fans don't need to be running full speed. buy a device to control the fan speeds, that'll make it alot quieter
[07:38] <soundmaster80> <---is possibly dumb with wine though
[07:38] <pc22> yeah but i thought if i can make it work
[07:38] <fignew> Zaire: watercooling is sorta pointless
[07:38] <fignew> because you still have fans :/
[07:38] <Zaire> unless you get a Zalman
[07:38] <fignew> true
[07:38] <Zaire> but the res on thats a beast
[07:38] <fignew> but those are insane
[07:38] <soundmaster80> true, i like vmware however...relives all problems with MS stuff :)
[07:39] <Endler> I couldn't get ubuntu server to run on the C3.  Works fine with Centos though.
[07:39] <Zaire> my system seriously sounds like its ready to take off lol
[07:39] <fignew> Zaire: Check out the Scythe ninja
[07:39] <Zaire> hmmm wher can I find it
[07:39] <fignew> google :/
[07:39] <Zaire> lol
[07:40] <Endler> Might change the Centos box to the new Oracle Unbreakable though.  Seem to fit the same purpose.
[07:40] <fignew> my heatsink is so big, I can't put the side panel on :(
[07:40] <soundmaster80> UGH, let us not speak of that name
[07:40] <fignew> oracle?
[07:40] <xsacha> i just have the heatsink and fan on my cpu.. nothing else.. runs at room temperature
[07:40] <Zaire> lol
[07:40] <Zaire> oracle
[07:40] <pc22> soundmaster80, its not free?
[07:40] <xsacha> stock ones
[07:40] <soundmaster80> i'm not sure....but i don't like what they have done
[07:40] <Zaire> I use mysql
[07:41] <soundmaster80> no, pc22 it's not free however it's wine highly configured
[07:41] <fignew> xsacha: It's sorta funny, my CPU temp is under ambient case temp with running idle
[07:41] <soundmaster80> the beta is free to see if it will do what you want
[07:41] <Zaire> mysql isn't bad once you get it all setup I just don't like how phpmyadmin leave root login wide open with no password
[07:41] <soundmaster80> that's why i suggested vmware player...it is free :)
[07:41] <pc22> ok
[07:42] <Lynoure> Zaire: you do not need to use phpmyadmin unless you want to
[07:42] <soundmaster80> forgive me for breaking the code and suggesting paid software, LOL
[07:42] <Zaire> once I got my normal account setup with the privs I needed I deleted the root users
[07:42] <soundmaster80> anywho, no i'm not sure i like this whole Oracle cutting RH's throat
[07:42] <xsacha> i use vmware workstation
[07:42] <Endler> Hmm, maybe I won't.  I thought it was going to be free.
[07:43] <Lynoure> It makes some things graphical, cute and easy, but it's not a necessary piece of mysql management software
[07:43] <soundmaster80> centos and those types are one thing but oracle could have handled it different
[07:43] <Zaire> phpmyadmin is so much easier for setting up DB's and whatnot though
[07:43] <flaccid> i've been using pma for the last 4 hours
[07:44] <Endler> Maybe they should have just bought out RH.
[07:44] <soundmaster80> honestly i was thinking about that
[07:45] <soundmaster80> or i mean something
[07:46] <soundmaster80> i can't keep looking at it like big company took advantage of little company to boost big company's sales at the possible destruction of little company
[07:46] <soundmaster80> you know there could have been some deal worked out to benefit both
[07:47] <Endler> Don't get me  wrong, I'm not a big fan of mergers at all.  I was just thinking from Oracle's perspective.
[07:47] <soundmaster80> lol, is there no comment....come on people
[07:48] <soundmaster80> well, i understand oracle's perspective but there seems to be nothing at all benefical for RH. and honestly it doesn't serve any purpose for RH to go under
[07:48] <soundmaster80> unless oracle is wanting to break them to buy them at a smaller price
[07:48] <soundmaster80> but then that's crappy too
[07:49] <Zaire> personally I don't care about Red Hat cause since Ive used both debian and debian based OS's like kubuntu I find that RH is crap
[07:49] <Endler> Well, half the CEO's are sociopaths, so I doubt ethics entered into the equation. :)
[07:50] <soundmaster80> i do too endler....and i find RH as not the greatest too, however it has done a great deal to benefit linux and i hate to throw it out in the cold so to speak
[07:50] <Zaire> I mean I used to like Rh and it was all I used before but there is so much more you can get from debian based OS's that isnt offered by rh
[07:50] <manchicken> Howdy folks.
[07:51] <manchicken> Any fwcutter Broadcom users about?
[07:51] <CVirus> manchicken: what is your Broadcom chip model ?
[07:51] <Endler> You don't want to do a lot of cool new things on servers, Zaire.  You just want them to be rock solid and boring.
[07:52] <manchicken> 4318 is it?  I'll check.
[07:52] <manchicken> yeah, 4318
[07:52] <soundmaster80> lol, again i agree with you both
[07:52] <soundmaster80> personally i just dispise RPM's
[07:52] <manchicken> I've heard rumors that it's not worth the trouble.
[07:52] <CVirus> manchicken: there are tons of articles about how to get it working
[07:52] <Zaire> well my server is running dapper and Ive had no probs so far
[07:52] <CVirus> !broadcom
[07:52] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:52] <manchicken> CVirus: I hear that you have to hard-limit throughput to 11mbps
[07:52] <soundmaster80> but, as much as i have enjoyed the conversations tonight, i have to go to bed. Good night my friends :-)
[07:52] <CVirus> manchicken: some report its working
[07:53] <Endler> Well, for a personal server, you can be adventurous.
[07:53] <manchicken> I may just try to get driverloader working.
[07:53] <manchicken> I had it working on openSuSE, it can't be that hard to get it working on Kubuntu.
[07:53] <manchicken> You guys seem to have thought of everything else.
[07:53] <manchicken> ^_^
[07:53] <Zaire> Its not just a personaly server its a dev server for my business
[07:53] <CVirus> manchicken: it worked before ? then it will work with Kubuntu
[07:54] <manchicken> CVirus: The .deb they're distributing doesn't seem to like my x86-64 arch.
[07:54] <manchicken> The RPMs didn't seem to have the same problem.
[07:54] <Endler> Well, still small scale.
[07:55] <Zaire> I found kubuntu to be the easiest setup for server software
[07:55] <Endler> I'm sure it's great for a small business.
[07:56] <manchicken> So here's a question... since (x|k)?ubuntu has so many(3) different ways of doing things, are all of the packages 100% compatible?
[07:56] <seishinbyou> All the server goats here tend to be Debian except for the ancient clients that insist on Redhat and nothing else
[07:56] <intelikey> manchicken it's all ubuntu
[07:57] <nino> I love Kubutu using it as my surveilance server!!
[07:57] <Zaire> whats the diff honestly between RH, Suse and ubuntu series when dealing with servers
[07:57] <CVirus> manchicken: http://kevinsbest.blogspot.com/2006/04/got-it-broadcom-4318-wireless.html
[07:57] <CVirus> manchicken: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197102&highlight=ndiswrapper+howto
[07:57] <pc22> soundmaster80, do i need to install antivirus in vmware?
[07:58] <manchicken> intelikey: Okay, so this is Kubuntu Edge... what does that map to with the other ubuntu tags (e.g. dapper)
[07:58] <CVirus> manchicken: the forums seem to be down now
[07:58] <Endler> Well, Ubuntu claims to be commited to support LTS  versions for five years on the server end, so that's a good thing--no forced upgrades just to get security patches.
[07:58] <soundmaster80> i don't think so
[07:58] <CVirus> manchicken: by the way ... if you have a Bluetooth button .. dont forget to turn it on while testing the card
[07:58] <soundmaster80> do some research i think there is a way to prevent changes on the machine
[07:58] <intelikey> manchicken *buntu edfy is ubuntu edgy
[07:59] <soundmaster80> like when you shut down it will lose changes
[07:59] <soundmaster80> i would do that if all your doing is browsing
[07:59] <Zaire> well I have to ask questions like this cause Im starting a web hosting business
[07:59] <soundmaster80> but, again, i'm going to bed pc22. if you have anymore questions i'm sure they can help you here
[08:00] <pc22> thanks soundmaster80 nighty
[08:00] <Endler> If you're starting from scratch, Ubuntu servers will prob work well.  You don't have any migration issues to worry about.
[08:00] <seishinbyou> Zaire> Some have unique methods of handlilng startup scripts, some have different was of managing software, etc.
[08:01] <seishinbyou> I honestly don't worry about it too much, but the head sysadmin here could go into great boring lengths I'm sure
[08:01] <intelikey> manchicken all that changes is the wm/de  but you can install ubuntu-server ubuntu xubuntu kubuntu or if there be any other flavour  it's still ubuntu and is still installing the same packages form the same archives/repos   the repos don't change because you install a certen desktop environment.....
[08:02] <Zaire> well so long as my security is gonna be the same more or less across the board thats one of my main concerns
[08:02] <Endler> Hey, does anyone here use Kmail with IMAP?  I've never tried it because the the critical data loss bug that's been open for over a year.
[08:03] <Endler> Looks like they may have finally fixed it now, but I don't think the patch is in Kubuntu yet.
[08:04] <seaLne> i've not had any problems using kmail and imap
[08:04] <Endler> You've been lucky then.  :)  They had some really bad code in there where they were just ignoring return codes.
[08:05] <Endler> It's possible for it to delete all your mail off the server.
[08:05] <seaLne> i've been using it for years, the only problem a while ago was overlapping password prompts because i have 3 imap accounts :)
[08:05] <intelikey> that could be handy Endler
[08:05] <Zaire> my answer is thunderbirs lol
[08:06] <Zaire> I use thunderbird for all my mail
[08:06] <Endler> Yeah, Thunderbird is good, but I kind of wanted to try Kontact and it only integrates  with Kmail.
[08:06] <intelikey> fetchmail
[08:06] <Endler> Thunderbird 2.0 should be out soon.
[08:06] <Zaire> that will be nice
[08:07] <Endler> I thought they'd release it with Firefox 2.0.
[08:07] <manchicken> Okay, so I've got GCC 4.1.2 installed, but build-essential wants to install gcc-3.4.  You think there will be conflicts?
[08:07] <Zaire> Im deff liking having my own mail server to lol
[08:07] <manchicken> nevermind....
[08:07] <manchicken> I'm stupid.  Kindly disregard.
[08:08] <intelikey> !b-e
[08:08] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[08:08] <intelikey> !packages
[08:08] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[08:08] <intelikey> !repositories
[08:08] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:08] <Endler> I just had to compile orinoco_usb from SVN because there is no package for it.
[08:09] <Endler> It acutually works well though--just doesn't support WPA.
[08:10] <Endler> It'll have to be recompiled with every kernel update though.
[08:13] <seishinbyou> Endler: I have Kmail running now with IMAP
[08:13] <Zaire> well I gtg have to burn the edgy dvd and prep my computer for a format and dual boot
[08:13] <seishinbyou> I use it because it picks up MSN Meeting invitations and applies them to KSchedule
[08:14] <Endler> Goodnight and good luck.  :)
[08:14] <VanessaE> good evening all.
[08:15] <intelikey> VanessaE
[08:15] <VanessaE> Is there any way to force the installer to NOT reformat my root fs?  It insists I have to, and I definitely do not want to lose what's already there.
[08:15] <VanessaE> hey intel.
[08:16] <Endler> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104956
[08:16] <Ayabara> I have a problem with amarok. When I build my collection my computer freezes (Dell Inspiron 6000). The good people of #amarok haven't heard of this and can't understand why. Any kubuntu'ers having similar problems?
[08:16] <VanessaE> eh, I should say, the installer on the edgy livecd. :)
[08:16] <manchicken> I think I have to reboot for this to take place.  brb.
[08:16] <intelikey> VanessaE not the installed in the gui.   with the one on the alternate it can be done but is no picnic
[08:16] <Endler> Might want to check that out.   I'll try Kmail when I know it has that new patch applied.
[08:17] <intelikey> VanessaE and before you rant.   i agree 100%  there should be an option....
[08:17] <inteliwasp> er... has anyone noticed that the kubuntu website is down?
[08:17] <intelikey> but there isn't.
[08:18] <VanessaE> works for me, wasp.
[08:18] <VanessaE> (kubuntu.org)
[08:18] <Endler> I was scratching my head about that too.  Why is reformat of / required?
[08:18] <inteliwasp> and that the alternate mirrors for 6.06 are N/A?
[08:18] <Endler> I frowned at that.
[08:19] <Endler> Also though reformat of 1st partition (often a window partition) is a stupid default.
[08:20] <inteliwasp> i wonder if my isp has a bad route...
[08:21] <Endler> I usually set up all the partitions just the way I want them with a GParted LiveCD before doing any installs, so I never need  to format anything from the installer.
[08:21] <xsacha> just use fdisk? :)
[08:22] <Endler> Yeah, you can do that, but Gparted is a lot nicer.
[08:22] <inteliwasp> is there a direct download(ie: not torrent) for the 6.06 DVD?
[08:22] <intelikey> Endler cfdisk
[08:22] <xsacha> but you have to boot into live cd.. gui to get to it :S
[08:22] <xsacha> that sucks
[08:22] <sparr> What major commercial game titles are coming out for linux in the 'near' future, other than ET:QW and Savage2?
[08:23] <abattoir> inteliwasp: look at the last section of http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[08:23] <Endler> Well, I often  do a lot of tweaking and adusting, so it's a lot nice to use Gparted.
[08:23] <inteliwasp> abattoir, er... i cant get to the site... no route
[08:23] <xsacha> i also do a lot of tweaking and adjusting but always find the cli easier :S
[08:23] <inteliwasp> abattoir, if you can pull the link, that would be nice
[08:24] <abattoir> inteliwasp: works here... there is a US mirror and a UK one, which do you want?
[08:24] <inteliwasp> abattoir, US
[08:24] <xsacha> the cli shouldnt be easier though
[08:24] <sparr> oh, and UT2007
[08:24] <abattoir> inteliwasp: http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/kubuntu/6.06.1/release.1/
[08:24] <VanessaE> what should I be aware of that differs between the alternate CD and the 'desktop' version I'm booted with now?  As far as what gets installed, that is..
[08:24] <Endler> then you have to remember all the commands and syntaxes for resizing, moving partitions, etc.
[08:25] <Endler> with each filesystem
[08:25] <inteliwasp> abattoir, many thanks
[08:25] <Cyron> Due to the size of this channel, I've disabled join and part notifications in Konversation.  Is it possible for my to instead stop the nicklist from sorting alphabetically, so it shows the users in the order they joined the channel?
[08:25] <abattoir> inteliwasp: you're welcome :)
[08:25] <xsacha> it's same syntax for all endler :P
[08:25] <pc22> anyone using ies4linux now?
[08:26] <xsacha> and it's just one keypress in cli endler
[08:26] <momal> is it possible to use cedega for free if self compiled?
[08:26] <abattoir> Cyron: not that i'm aware of, people in #konversation might know though
[08:26] <sparr> momal: yes, but its missing some features
[08:26] <Cyron> I may just go and ask them, thanks abattoir :)
[08:26] <Endler> to resize ntfs, xfs, ext3 partitions?
[08:26] <xsacha> yes
[08:26] <abattoir> Cyron: no problem
[08:26] <xsacha> you change size and then make fs after
[08:27] <Endler> I mean for partitions with data on them.
[08:27] <xsacha> so do i
[08:27] <momal> sparr: what features?
[08:27] <xsacha> you delete the partition, make it again bigger size, makereiserfs
[08:27] <sparr> momal: anti copy protection stuff.  dunno what else
[08:27] <xsacha> d, n
[08:28] <Endler> You delete the partition with data on it? and then create a new one around it?
[08:28] <Endler> Sounds scary.
[08:28] <xsacha> you're writing to the MBR, not the actual disk
[08:28] <xsacha> not the physical data
[08:29] <xsacha> i mean partitiont table*
 you're writing to the MBR, not the actual disk <---- heh
[08:29] <xsacha> :P
[08:29] <Endler> I know, but you could still screw it up.
[08:29] <xsacha> then you just change it back :P
[08:29] <draik> would it make much of a difference if I downloaded the 6.10 CD over the 6.10 DVD?
[08:29] <Endler> I'd need an iron stomach. :)
[08:30] <xsacha> what i mean is you're not actually changing the data of the partitions
[08:30] <xsacha> if you delete the partition, the data that was in it will still be there :)
[08:30] <Endler> What about shrinking then were some of the data is  at the far end of the partition?
[08:30] <xsacha> yes :)
[08:31] <xsacha> goes into free space
[08:31] <draik> Is Kubuntu.org down or just me?
[08:31] <abattoir> draik: someone else was complaining too
[08:31] <abattoir> draik: works fine for me though
[08:31] <draik> abattoir, sorry. I just checked in
[08:32] <Endler> You into bungy jumping too, xsacha? ;)
[08:32] <xsacha> no
[08:32] <xsacha> endler: what risk is there? i dont get it..
[08:32] <intelikey> what if you don't have a partition table ?
[08:33] <draik> abattoir, what would I be missing out on if I went with a CD upgrade rather than a DVD or web?
[08:33] <abattoir> draik: a 'cd upgrade' ? you mean you plan to add the cd as a repo using apt-cdrom?
[08:33] <Endler> I see a whole lot more downside than upside doing it that way just to avoid a couple minutes boot time.  Glad it works for you though.
[08:34] <draik> abattoir, sorry, I meant as upgrading to Edgy Eft from CD over DVD or web
[08:34] <xsacha> it's faster, easier and far easier to recover the data if you messed something up because you remember the boundaries
[08:34] <abattoir> draik: oh, you mean a fresh installation, rather than upgrading from dapper to edgy?
[08:35] <draik> abattoir: I want to upgrade from dapper to edgy. Can it be done via CD/DVD? or is it strictly web?
[08:35] <xsacha> i dont see any downside yet...
[08:35] <Endler> Well, speed is not much of an issue to me because it's not  something that need to be done on a frequent basis.
[08:35] <abattoir> draik: yeah, you can add the edgy cd/dvd as a repository, and then upgrade
[08:36] <draik> How do I add the cd/dvd as a repo?
[08:36] <fignew> is kubuntu.org down for anyone else?
[08:36] <abattoir> draik: try 'man apt-cdrom' that should explain the procedure
[08:36] <draik> fignew, it is for me
[08:36] <draik> thank you abattoir
[08:36] <fignew> :(
[08:36] <intelikey> draik a clean install from cd/dvd is a good way.   probably the best.   if you have a seperate partition with your $HOME on it  it can be left intact
[08:37] <Endler> It popped right up for me--really fast.
[08:37] <eilker> !lamp
[08:37] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[08:37] <draik> intelikey: I didn't think it all through when I first went into this. I put everything on one partition
[08:38] <intelikey> common mistake....
[08:38] <xsacha> endler: it seems you just don't know how things are done behind the scenes -- your gui uses the same method as its backend -- the backend may scare you but the frontend is doing the same thing
[08:38] <xsacha> and there's nothing to be afraid of :P
[08:38] <Endler> Am I missing something?  I don't see tuxracer in the repos.
[08:38] <fignew> Endler: the kubuntu website?
[08:39] <VanessaE> it's ppracer now, endler.
[08:39] <xsacha> planet penguin.. ?
[08:39] <Endler> Well, that's just it.  I have a basic understanding, but would want to know it inside and out before doing it they way you do.
[08:40] <Endler> Ah, OK.  Why the name change?
[08:40] <VanessaE> because they forked commercial <-> free
[08:40] <intelikey> i'll bet nobody here can get grub to boot this installation of kubuntu
[08:40] <VanessaE> the commercial version kept the tuxracer name.
[08:40] <xsacha> i couldnt intelikey :P "Grub Loading" so i used lilo
[08:41] <draik> intelikey: why do you say that?
[08:41] <intelikey> xsacha yeah i have to use lilo too
[08:41] <xsacha> it didnt like my main partition
[08:41] <intelikey> draik cause it wont work
[08:41] <draik> GRUB is gone in edgy?
[08:41] <xsacha> no
[08:42] <intelikey> draik no.   i don't have a partition
[08:42] <draik> !php
[08:42] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[08:43] <draik> What does PHP stand for?
[08:43] <seishinbyou> because it can't sit down?
[08:43] <xsacha> hypertext preprocessor
[08:43] <xsacha> first p is php
[08:44] <draik> xsacha: Thank you
[08:44] <intelikey> recursive acronymn
[08:44] <xsacha> just like wine and others
[08:45] <intelikey> like wine is wine is not an emulator
[08:45] <vge> heh
[08:45] <xsacha> GNU :P
[08:45] <draik> I love those recursive acronyms... WINE, GNU, PHP
[08:45] <Endler> You wouldn't happend to be using XFS, would you?  Grub still has problems with XFS.
[08:45] <|lostbyte|> :P pre hypertext processor.
[08:45] <vge> nope, it's PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor
[08:46] <manchicken_> !broadcom
[08:46] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:46] <xsacha> Endler: reiserfs
[08:47] <royce> Installing applications on linux is so hard for new users like me... I'm going insane....
[08:47] <intelikey> Endler ext2 here
[08:47] <Endler> I used to use XFS, but got tired of it zero writing data file after a dirty shutdown.
[08:47] <VanessaE> Endler: I've heard people complain of reiser and ext3 doing the same
[08:47] <Endler> Ext3 has been rock solid no matter how dirty the shutdown.
[08:48] <xsacha> my reiser hasn't failed me yet, but i've heard a lot of complaints :S
[08:48] <draik> Edgy cd download in under 6 hours... DVD is 160 Days +
[08:48] <intelikey> ext2 has never given me any trouble     'if it aint broke, dont fix it'
[08:48] <Mike2k6> draik: you on dial up?
[08:48] <royce> Will someone tell me one thing... I cannot get downloaded themes to run on Ubuntu. I'm not even sure what sort of theme it uses. I'm guessing something related to Gnome..?
[08:48] <draik> Mike2k6: Nope. Cable. Sux. DVD won't download at all
[08:49] <VanessaE> I used to have a problem with reiser causing the system to outright stall for several seconds at a time, but that was a few years ago
[08:49] <xsacha> draik: my ISP hosts all linux distros for me -- 1MB/s (my max) no matter what :P i think they let anyone d/l them, could check it out
[08:49] <Endler> reiser failed for my mail privider and I was out mail almost a week, so I was gunshy of that.
[08:49] <Mike2k6> draik: Use a different mirrior, it only took me 20 mins to download max.
[08:49] <Endler> And now the dev is probably going to jail for life.
[08:49] <Mike2k6> xsacha: sup sup!
[08:49] <xsacha> hi mike
[08:49] <draik> xsacha: what's your site?
[08:50] <xsacha> draik: files.bigpond.com/latestfiles.php
[08:50] <draik> Mike2k6: What other mirror?
[08:50] <royce> Do any of you kind souls know how to install downloaded themes on Ubuntu.
[08:50] <xsacha> oops, http://files.bigpond.com/library/latestfiles.php
[08:50] <momal> GARRRRRR
[08:50] <Mike2k6> draik: let me locate it for you
[08:50] <momal> xsacha: are you with tesltra?
[08:50] <VanessaE> Well these days I avoid reiser not because of the author's legal problem but because of his attitude
[08:50] <draik> xsacha: I got a 404
[08:50] <xsacha> yes :( but atleast they give me these distros lol
[08:50] <xsacha> yeah try second link draik
[08:50] <draik> got it... sorry about that
[08:51] <momal> we are both with a sad isp :(
[08:51] <draik> xsacha: ^
[08:51] <Endler> One good thing about XFS is that is scales like crazy--you can have astronomically huge file systems.
[08:51] <VanessaE> *nod*
[08:51] <royce> *WIthers away into the void of confusion that is installing downloaded ubuntu gnome themes
[08:51] <VanessaE> I liked XFS, but I also got nailed a couple of times by zeroed-out blocks
[08:51] <Mike2k6> draik:  let me know if it works out for you, if not ill get ya a better mirrior
[08:51] <eilker> hi, i installed apache2 and php5, now which mysql packet must i install ?
[08:52] <manchicken_> Okay, this automated  ndiswrapper setup thing says that 2.6.17-10-generic in x86-64 is incompatible.
[08:52] <draik> xsacha: I have to become a member???
[08:52] <manchicken_> Has anybody gotten ndiswrapper working in 64-bit with edgy on that kernel?
[08:52] <Endler> Yeah, I got tabbed about three time, and then figured out the it was the reason I could never get Grub to install too, so that was it for me.
[08:52] <xsacha> draik: shouldnt have to? i havent logged in to d/l anything
[08:52] <royce> Anyone know of a good (or any at all) Gnome Theme chat room where I can ask how to Install a Gnome theme.
[08:52] <momal> draik: you will only beable to dwonload from there if you are signed up with bigpond adsl or cable
[08:52] <xsacha> it must check your IP or something :S
[08:53] <draik> I don't have them as my ISP
[08:53] <eilker> anyone can help for lammp ?
[08:53] <xsacha> o well :(
[08:53] <Mike2k6> its giving me time outs on kubuntu servers :-(
[08:53] <draik> Mike2k6: what's your mirror?
[08:53] <intelikey> royce checked #ubuntu ?
[08:53] <Mike2k6> draik: im having trouble locating it because the server seems to be down
[08:53] <draik> Yup
[08:54] <draik> Mike2k6: I have gone through those mirrors. Thanks
[08:54] <draik> Thank you Mike2k6 and xsacha
[08:54] <xsacha> well i have one reason to thank my ISP, lol
[08:54] <royce> woohoo i'll check #ubuntu, thanks intelikey
[08:54] <xsacha> but other than that, they suck
[08:55] <manchicken_> Has anybody gotten ndiswrapper running on 2.6.17-10-generic?
[08:55] <Endler> It like this group.  First time in today, but you seem like a friendly bunch.  :)  Not so over at #ubuntu?
[08:56] <Mike2k6> draik: one of the mirriors will let you download at about 300-500kb/s
[08:56] <artefact2> i have a little problem, can you help me ? my internet connection doesn't connect automatically when i boot... (wifi)
[08:56] <intelikey> Endler well thank ya
[08:56] <draik> Mike2k6: cd or dvd?
[08:56] <Mike2k6> draik: cd
[08:56] <eilker> !mysql
[08:56] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[08:56] <VanessaE> ...I'm getting the max my DSL can pull (~350 KB/sec) from carroll.csc.psu.edu
[08:57] <intelikey> !wifi | artefact2
[08:57] <ubotu> artefact2: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:57] <Endler> I'd better get to bed  tough.  Goodnight everyone.
[08:57] <draik> Mike2k6: I'm ~ 35Kbps
[08:57] <artefact2> ubotu > thx :)
[08:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thx :) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:57] <VanessaE> er....   .cac.
[08:57] <eilker> pls help me for mysql....
[08:57] <ubuntu> hey guysi have a question
[08:57] <xsacha> !info lamp > eilker
[08:57] <intelikey> eilker did you check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP ??
[08:57] <ubotu> Package lamp does not exist in any distro I know
[08:58] <xsacha> :P
[08:58] <ubuntu> I am running the live CD and i am trying to run firefox ( install) but i cant. is it because im running the live CD?
[08:58] <eilker> intelikey: yes i checked, but i didnt understand how to install my sql
[08:58] <nickste> how do I check if Xgl is installed properly?
[08:59] <eilker> xsacha:  i installed apache2 and php5, now which mysql packet must i install ?
[08:59] <intelikey> oh   sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client   eilker
[08:59] <Admiral_Chicago> nickste: have you asked in #ubuntu-xgl ?
[08:59] <draik> One would think that with 268 seeds a download would go by pretty quick.... wrong!
[09:00] <NOOB> If I am running the live CD can i still download firefox? its a .QZ file???
[09:00] <xsacha> nickste: try Xgl :1 -br -ac -screen 1024x768 -accel xv:pbuffer -accel glx:buffer
[09:00] <intelikey> eilker you may also want    php5-mysqli
[09:00] <xsacha> if that opens a window, it's all good
[09:01] <intelikey> errr is that dapper or edgy ?
[09:01] <nickste> Admiral: nope, sorry will do :)
[09:01] <nickste> thanks xsacha
[09:01] <intelikey> !info php5-mysqli edgy
[09:01] <ubotu> php5-mysqli: MySQL Improved module for php5. In component main, is optional. Version 5.1.6-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 38 kB, installed size 164 kB
 : it is 6.06
[09:02] <Mike2k6> xsacha: do you have a linksys router?
[09:02] <intelikey> nm it's the same.
[09:02] <xsacha> no :( d-link
[09:02] <Mike2k6> psh
[09:02] <eilker> xsacha:  i installed  php5, do i need php5-mysql too ?
[09:02] <eilker> intelikey:  i installed  php5, do i need php5-mysql too ?
[09:03] <eilker> xsacha: sorry i would write to intellikey
[09:03] <intelikey> need is not applicable,  do you want it is the question.
[09:03] <xsacha> i think he wants mysql...
[09:04] <intelikey> done pointed him at that xsacha
[09:04] <xsacha> oh :P
[09:04] <intelikey> server and client
[09:04] <draik> well, I am going to wait out the 5.5 hours for the CD and see if I can ever get the DVD some other time
[09:04] <draik> Thank you all for your help
[09:04] <eilker> intelikey: in fact,  i have no idea about php, i wanna install the lamp and see what is going on, so that i dont know what should i want :(
I need Hep with this Question. Can i download stuff even if im using teh live CD only Please Mrivate message me. I HAVE NO IDEA IM NEW. AND I WANNA GET FIREFOX
[09:05] <intelikey> eilker then yes install php5-mysqli also
[09:05] <xsacha> livecd should work just like as if it were installed but slower -- how much ram do you have :P NOOB?
[09:05] <intelikey> php5-mysqli - MySQL Improved module for php5
[09:05] <Mike2k6> xsacha: 1GB ddr400 corsair xms
[09:05] <Mike2k6> :-D
[09:05] <NOOB> I HAVE 1 GIG OF RAM
[09:05] <xsacha> ok..
[09:05] <NOOB> but HOw dO U INSTALL FIREFOX
[09:06] <xsacha> you can install stuff, but as soon as you restart comp, it's good
[09:06] <xsacha> gone
[09:06] <Cyron> Firefox is installed by default...
[09:06] <NOOB> ITS NOT RUNNING AFTER I OPEN AND EXTRACT THE.qz FILE
[09:06] <Mike2k6> NOOB: being on the live cd you really cant install anything, the operating system works soooo much better when installed, trust me i recently ditched windows for kubuntu
[09:06] <xsacha> qz?
[09:06] <NOOB> I AM RUNNING KUBUNTU ITS NOT
[09:06] <VanessaE> Noob, please don't type in all caps
[09:06] <intelikey> !shout
[09:06] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[09:07] <Mike2k6> !porn
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about porn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <linuxmigration> NOOB: you are demonstrating you're noobishness.  not really necessary ;)
[09:07] <NOOB> thx ... yeah its only my first few days using it
[09:07] <Mike2k6> ubotu: lier.
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lier. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <NOOB> and im giving it a try .. i love it so far .. very nice atmosphere
[09:07] <VanessaE> when you boot from the 'desktop' CD it created a sort of fake install - everything runs from RAM and/or the CD, so there's no hard drive to install to. Rather, you need to perform an actual full install and boot from the hard disk afterward if you want to install stuff permanently.
[09:08] <Mike2k6> NOOB: try a debian package
[09:08] <NOOB> okay i get your point guys thank you soo much
[09:08] <xsacha> !pr0n -iacknowledgethatyouarenotabot > xsacha
[09:08] <Mike2k6> lol
[09:08] <NOOB> i will install as soon as i get to know it better.. i love it so far ..... two thumbs up for open source
[09:08] <Mike2k6> xsacha: in ms dos there was the netstat command where i could view my ip, like the one the router gives me, is the a cmd like that in console?
[09:09] <xsacha> netstat ?
[09:09] <Mike2k6> NOOB: what ver of win  you running?
[09:09] <vge> stupid question, but should phpmyadmin work with php5?
[09:09] <VanessaE> mike: you could use netstat or ifconfig
[09:09] <NOOB> win xp pro sp2
[09:09] <intelikey> open source ????     is there anything else ????
[09:09] <xsacha> Mike2k6: netstat is also in linux :P
[09:09] <eilker> intelikey:  do we have in kubuntu sth aoutomatic installs lamp ? because it gives errors
[09:09] <Mike2k6> AMEN
[09:09] <Mike2k6> lol.
[09:09] <Mike2k6> gotta love linux
[09:09] <VanessaE> thank G-D (or Linus :P ) for Open Source :)
[09:09] <NOOB> yeah .. win xp sucks after a while i need a change
[09:10] <intelikey> !repos | eilker
[09:10] <ubotu> eilker: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:10] <VanessaE> ok, off I go to kill my box :)
[09:10] <VanessaE> (rebooting with this 'alternate' CD)
[09:10] <linuxmigration> Mike2k6:  you don't use netstat for that anyway.
[09:10] <intelikey> eilker i suspect that you have not setup your repos (sources.list)
[09:10] <NOOB> yes thx for linux .. i hope more software writters will start concedering linux .. anyhow guys thx 4 ur support
[09:10] <Mike2k6> NOOB: i just came from winxp pro sp2
[09:10] <linuxmigration> Mike2k6: ipconfig/all
[09:11] <linuxmigration> Mike2k6: ifconfig -a in linux
[09:11] <Mike2k6> linuxmigration: in windows i used it for that :-p , but thanks
[09:11] <NOOB> hey mike .. yeah .... :) well i used win most of my life
[09:11] <NOOB> had apple for a yeah .. and didnt liek it
[09:11] <linuxmigration> Mike2k6: well, you should have been using ipconfig ;)
[09:11] <NOOB> now im all linux
[09:11] <Mike2k6> NOOB: yeah ive only known windows before this
[09:11] <NOOB> year*
[09:12] <Mike2k6> linuxmigration: a linux wiz tryin to tell me how to use win lol
[09:12] <NOOB> lol
[09:12] <linuxmigration> Mike2k6: well, it's true ;)
[09:12] <Mike2k6> NOOB: yeah, linux is cool, less spyware issues, less virus issues, thats the main thing that attracted me, besides the more stable platform
[09:12] <linuxmigration> less?!?!?!?
[09:13] <linuxmigration> how about *none*?
[09:13] <intelikey> less virus issues   lol
[09:13] <NOOB> Mike yup .... sam ething here ..... I always have to buy a new software to protect my pc.. i ended up spending more on software than teh computer itself
[09:13] <Mike2k6> NOOB: i always just downloaded my software off torrents.
[09:14] <Mike2k6> NOOB: even my winxp sp 2 was a pirate
[09:14] <NOOB> yes .. i do too. but the ones i cant find off torrent.
[09:14] <intelikey> there are actually virii that affect linux      if i recall correctly there have been five of them.
[09:14] <Mike2k6> NOOB: yeah, besides all your system resources get either used up b A. Spyware/
[09:14] <Mike2k6> NOOB:  or B. Spyware protectors
[09:14] <NOOB> lol.... hahaha yeah im into torents .. does linux support torrents too?
[09:15] <Mike2k6> NOOB: alot more than windows lol
[09:15] <intelikey> NOOB linuc invented torrents
[09:15] <xsacha> i never had spyware or virus issues on windows, problem was it wasnt customisable enough
[09:15] <Mike2k6> xsacha: you know you have a problem when you load windows and have 57 processes running at startup
[09:16] <xsacha> yeah my windows never had above 40
[09:16] <NOOB> okay okay .. good to know ... i cant live without them. yeah with wndows i had an issue with crashes.. i couldnt keep my pc up for more than 2 days.. otherwise teh system would go slow
[09:16] <xsacha> only thing in startup was ati
[09:16] <Mike2k6> xsacha: if your not running any programs like a antivirus or anything then you should only have 18-20 :-p
[09:16] <xsacha> i never used antivirus
[09:16] <Mike2k6> yeah well then you shoulda had nothing above 22
[09:16] <xsacha> 18? naah
[09:17] <Mike2k6> yeah im serious, check it out, when you first install windows.
[09:17] <xsacha> i have :P it's like 33 on fresh install
[09:17] <intelikey> my linux never has above 22 processes running at boot time.
[09:17] <Mike2k6> well your install is corrupted then lol
[09:17] <Mike2k6> cause mine is like 18 at install
[09:17] <xx2trouble> anyone know about localisatuion.. i wanna thai desktop but thai-system is broken
[09:17] <xsacha> :S no way..
[09:17] <NOOB> lol
[09:17] <Mike2k6> swear to allah
[09:17] <xsacha> check again lol
[09:18] <xsacha> there's 6 svchosts alone
[09:18] <Mike2k6> no, i ditched windoze remember
[09:18] <Mike2k6> yep
[09:18] <manchicken_> That's nice, I've got linuxant driverloader running, but it's not detecting anything.
[09:18] <NOOB> lol
[09:18] <Mike2k6> face it xsa you got porn included on your install
[09:18] <xsacha> no
[09:18] <intelikey> hut oh
[09:19] <NOOB> aight guys it was a pleasure meeting y;all i gotta crash here in washigton its 12:18 am
[09:19] <Mike2k6> NOOB: nice to meet ya
[09:19] <xsacha> on vista there's about ~48 on fresh install
[09:19] <NOOB> u too mike it was great talking to ya .. i will be installing ubuntu.. during this week ... :) when iget to know ot better
[09:19] <NOOB> tc guys
[09:19] <NOOB> peace
[09:21] <Mike2k6> it took me about 2 days to decide to full install linux over windows
[09:21] <intelikey> why so long ?
[09:21] <Mike2k6> i work long hours at dell
[09:21] <Mike2k6> lol
[09:22] <Mike2k6> didnt have much time
[09:22] <intelikey> oh   ok
[09:22] <Mike2k6> that and a power outage
[09:22] <Mike2k6> whats a good port to open up for frostwire?
[09:24] <Mike2k6> hrm
[09:24] <nino> donno
[09:24] <intelikey>      !i
[09:24] <honza> hello
[09:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:25] <mihail> hello
[09:25] <nino> hi
[09:25] <Mike2k6> frostwire wont connect :-(
[09:26] <nickste> Does anyone have an xorg.conf for an ATI card that I can have a look at?
[09:26] <honza> I have a problem, I've compilled new kernel, 2.6.18, and it doesn't boot. It mounts /boot fine, but then it stops. I used the same config as before, and i'm sure i have the right drivers. I'm using kubuntu edgy. Any ideas please?
[09:27] <intelikey> "It mounts /boot fine,"   ???
[09:28] <honza> sorry, the boot partition is mounted
[09:28] <Mike2k6> can anyone help me with frostwire?
[09:28] <intelikey> but grub mounted it.
[09:28] <intelikey> not the kernel
[09:29] <intelikey> Mike2k6 check in #ubuntu   if no one in here will answer
[09:29] <honza> If the kernel wouldn't be there, it would say there is no kernel available, wouldn't it?
[09:30] <intelikey> yeah  and ?
[09:30] <nino> MIke ?
[09:30] <honza> It also says some things from the suspend2 patch, that i've applied...
[09:30] <honza> And it doesn't...
[09:30] <Mike2k6> nino sup
[09:30] <nino> ok, what os are u running
[09:31] <Mike2k6> kubuntu edgy
[09:32] <honza> any idea where else should i look?
[09:32] <intelikey> honza maybe you are not understanding what i'm telling you.    your boot loader (probably grub) is what is responsable for mounting the partition containing the kernel  not the other way around if kernel is not mounting /  then that's what you need to focus on.
[09:32] <nino> give me a moment
[09:32] <Mike2k6> okies
[09:33] <intelikey> reguardless if the boot loader reads the kernel correctly or not.
[09:33] <nino> try and run it on my Kubuntu
[09:33] <Mike2k6> my kubuntu?
[09:33] <Mike2k6> what do ya mean?
[09:33] <nino> im installing it over here
[09:33] <Mike2k6> ah ok
[09:33] <honza> I think so, it doesn't say any errors...
[09:35] <intelikey> honza you using an initramfs.img ?
[09:35] <honza> intelikey: i don't think so, where should i find out?
[09:36] <intelikey> you built the kernel... did you also mkinitramfs ?
[09:36] <honza> no. But i've never make it before...
[09:36] <intelikey> you edited /boot/grub/menu.lst  did you mention an initramfs.img ?
[09:37] <honza> no...
[09:37] <honza> But I never did before...
[09:37] <nino> just hang in there mike
[09:37] <honza> On older versions...
[09:37] <intelikey> ok  try building an initramfs.img and adding it to the kernel line and see what it does.
[09:38] <honza> how should i do it? I need a little help with that...
[09:38] <honza> lamer, sorry :-)
[09:38] <Mike2k6> ive also noticed slower web browsing on kubuntu than windows
[09:39] <nino> mines not to bad, i use firefox, u?
[09:39] <intelikey> something like     mkinitramfs [-d confdir]  [-k]  [-o outfile]  [-r root]  [version] 
[09:39] <Mike2k6> konqueror
[09:40] <nino> konqueror is slower, i agree
[09:40] <intelikey> that is to say  mkinitramfs -o /boot/initramfs.img-2.6.18  2.6.18<possably the rest of the version string here>
[09:40] <intelikey> may need sudo
[09:40] <brucem> Question from a Newbie: how do i find out, on a website e.g. www.ubuntu.com - what RSS feeds are available to subscribe to?
[09:40] <nino> did you download the TAR or the ubuntu/debain file??
[09:41] <nino> for frostwire
[09:41] <seishinbyou> !elinks
[09:41] <Mike2k6> debian
[09:41] <ubotu> elinks: advanced text-mode WWW browser. In component main, is optional. Version 0.11.1-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 593 kB, installed size 3316 kB
[09:41] <Mike2k6> the .deb
[09:41] <Mike2k6> had to install java
[09:42] <honza> intelikey: I have unblocked root, it's ok.
[09:42] <nino> ok, im gonna grab the tarball
[09:42] <intelikey> it's ok with me.
[09:42] <brucem> Question from a Newbie: how do i find out, on a website e.g. www.ubuntu.com - what RSS feeds are available to subscribe to?
[09:43] <honza> So the mkinitramfs worked good, no errors, what should i do next? add a line to menu.lst?
[09:43] <nino> if it works then just go for that rather than stuff around fixing the deb
[09:43] <intelikey> yep
[09:43] <honza> and the line should be? initrd?
[09:43] <nino> mmm java not for me
[09:43] <intelikey> you can look at the other kernel lines   the default is a good example
[09:44] <honza> so it is the initrd line?
[09:44] <ehird> Why isn't svn in the repos? :/
[09:44] <intelikey> dont ask me for the specifics in grub  grub wont work on my system so i don't use it and am not very familear with it.
[09:44] <brucem> i am looking for a decent PIM (mail, calendar mostly) under Kubuntu - any suggestions?
[09:44] <seishinbyou> Kontact?
[09:44] <intelikey> honza yes   like but point to the new file
[09:45] <brucem> is Kontact the best option? anything else decent out there?
[09:45] <honza> intelikey Thx, that should do it, I'll add the line and try to reboot...
[09:45] <intelikey> k
[09:45] <ehird> :/
[09:45] <nino> check freshmeat.net mabe youl find a nice little calander proggie
[09:46] <intelikey> there is already a calender in the task bar
[09:46] <intelikey> no ?
[09:46] <brucem> has anybody used a calendar under KDE that is decent? e.g. sync from online calendars etc
[09:47] <seishinbyou> Kontact did everything I needed it to, and Kmail will add appointment "invitations" from MSN calendar into Kontact
[09:47] <brucem> yes - but i mean an organiser where i can put appointments, reminders etc
[09:47] <intelikey> i don't use one piriod.     cal   hehhe if i need to look at one.
[09:47] <xsacha> !konsolekalendar
[09:47] <ubotu> konsolekalendar: KDE konsole personal organizer. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 73 kB, installed size 276 kB
[09:48] <seishinbyou> brucem: Again, have you looked at kontact?  I believe it was installed by default with edgy
[09:48] <seishinbyou> It has appointments, todo, calendars, etc.
[09:49] <brucem> and the mail client under Kontact/ decent?
[09:49] <intelikey> i think cal is installed by default also.....  :)
[09:50] <intelikey> brucem no  terrable
[09:50] <intelikey> you'll hate it.
[09:50] <intelikey> better to use inbox in windows
[09:51] <seishinbyou> You mean Outhouse Excess?
[09:51] <xsacha> lo
[09:51] <nino> mike do you run frostwire as root?
[09:51] <sgiess> hi all
[09:51] <xsacha> and konversation in root ftw
[09:51] <brucem> i thought this room was supposed to be helpful... ;)
[09:52] <intelikey> brucem where did you get that idea ?
[09:52] <seishinbyou> Ooh, I get to yell at my subordinate again for this gem in his PHP code : system("rm -rf / $work_dir");
[09:52] <seishinbyou> That's 2 strikes
[09:52] <xsacha> i have to add something to kontact but not sure whether it should go in Calendar, To-do list or Journal.. or maybe Notes
[09:52] <intelikey> go back to windows brucem
[09:52] <brucem> intellikey why so sarcastic?
[09:52] <brucem> i might go back to windows if the ubuntu community is this unhelpful
[09:52] <brucem> i thought we were supposed to be encouraging people to convert?
[09:53] <seishinbyou> For mail, you can use Evolution or Kmail or Thunderbird...whatever turns your crank
[09:53] <xsacha> they'll convert when they are ready
[09:53] <intelikey> seishinbyou hehhe thats a good one...  tell him/her to run it as root
[09:53] <intelikey> or set it suid
[09:53] <seishinbyou> intelikey: It's worse than you think; this is production code
[09:53] <intelikey> brucem go.   go now.   don't try to play me.
[09:54] <honza> Intelikey: Thank you a lot, it worked fine, i've other errors, but I can solve it myself. Thank you once more :-)
[09:54] <xsacha> lol@ubuntu rss feed: http://zakame.spunge.org/blog/2006/11/01/my-kubuntu-edgy-upgrade-experience/
[09:54] <intelikey> seishinbyou oh good lord
[09:54] <xsacha> "my kubuntu edgy upgrade experience"
[09:54] <intelikey> honza np anytime
[09:55] <nino> mike??
[09:55] <ehird> THE kubuntu edgy upgrade experience!!11
[09:55] <brucem> intelli: i honestly just want to get started in kubuntu - why all the aggression?
[09:56] <xsacha> tarballs of iron
[09:56] <brucem> did i break some etiquette rule?
[09:56] <nino> lol
[09:56] <seishinbyou> brucem: Maybe he is just having a bad day?
[09:56] <xsacha> that's a good one: requirement to upgrade to edgy: tarballs of iron
[09:56] <seishinbyou> I'm kind of loopy myself right now, but I've been at the office for the past 11 hours
[09:57] <brucem> seishinbyou: yes, but you don't get rude because of it
[09:57] <zorglu_> q. justthis morning i got a 'yahoo password is wrong' from kopete, but my yahoo password has not changed and was working for several months... is it a known problem ?
[09:57] <intelikey> brucem because you are just trolling the channel.  this channel is for help  you have not asked one question that will actually help you or anyone else.  if you want to look at screen shoots or read doce we can point you to them but what you've been doing and the "i'll go back to windows" wanna be threat is non-sense.
[09:58] <Electrolyte> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=10434.0 <-- I posted the k3d bug, it appears someone else has it.
[09:58] <Electrolyte> Sounds like it's a broken package.
[09:58] <T3hWiz0rd> this place is so quiet.
[09:58] <T3hWiz0rd> its scary.
[09:58] <brucem> me finding a decent PIM under kubuntu will help me, promise...
[09:58] <xsacha> zorglu_: it works in other IM programs?
[09:58] <T3hWiz0rd> are there any new nvidia updates for kubuntu?
[09:58] <brucem> why is that such a bad question?
[09:58] <xsacha> what's a PIM?
[09:59] <zorglu_> xsacha: i havnt tried any other im programms
[09:59] <brucem> Personal Info Manager: mail, calendar, RSS etc
[09:59] <Electrolyte> Oh, ATI released their new driver today for Windows *AND* Linux.
[09:59] <intelikey> brucem  so install kubuntu and look at the default.  if you don't like it then ask for alternatives.   don't just troll the channel.
[09:59] <zorglu_> brucem: there is 'kontact' for that
[09:59] <xsacha> brucem: we arleady told you:
[09:59] <xsacha> kontact does all of them
[09:59] <zorglu_> !info kontact
[09:59] <ubotu> kontact: KDE pim application. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1574 kB, installed size 3400 kB
[10:00] <brucem> that's exactly what i did - asked for alternatives... i said "i tried kontact... any other decent ones?"
[10:00] <zorglu_> brucem: nope
[10:00] <intelikey> brucem evolution
[10:00] <intelikey> install it and run it.
[10:00] <nino> try freshmeat.net for more!!
[10:00] <brucem> just because it exists doesn't mean it is decent... that's what i'm asking - anybody been impressed with a certain PIM
[10:01] <xsacha> brucem: most of us just use the default or none at all..
[10:01] <zorglu_> brucem: decent doesnt mean anything
[10:01] <xsacha> if you want, searching for one is best.. it's personal preference which one is decent
[10:01] <zorglu_> brucem: try kontact and evolution, and decide yourself if you find them decent
[10:01] <intelikey> ok i tried nice, i tried hostile now i'll try ignore.
[10:02] <brucem> yes, thanks, evolution is something i can try too. i didn't know that before. so thanks for the help
[10:02] <intelikey> congrats brucem you are the first one in this channel i have ever had to ignore.
[10:02] <Electrolyte> Is it me or does the webpage for the ATI fglrx driver improved?
[10:02] <xsacha> someone suggested evolution a while back brucem..
[10:02] <brucem> um intelli u forgot to ignore me
[10:02] <Electrolyte> Since AMD has changed the website.
[10:02] <zorglu_> ok nobody else experienced issue with yahoo password thru kopete ?
[10:02] <xsacha> Electrolyte: i think it got worse :S
[10:02] <Electrolyte> Their sodding javascript keeps throwing Konq into a fit :/
[10:03] <xsacha> hmm konq hasnt given me that, what version/
[10:03] <intelikey> you can kick javascript for that site.... i think
[10:04] <brucem> intellikey i really mean no harm. i apologise if i offended u
[10:04] <Electrolyte> It keeps locking up then saying "A script on this site is causing to be unresponsive" error.
[10:04] <Electrolyte> I've got 3.5.5.
[10:04] <xsacha> hmm me too
[10:04] <Electrolyte> Eventually it gets out of it
[10:04] <Mike2k6> anyone here play MuD's?
[10:04] <intelikey> actually i never tried to set it to only not/work on certin sites
[10:04] <Electrolyte> But it's strange that ATI release a Linux driver at the exact same time as 6.10 for Windows.
[10:04] <Electrolyte> Does this mean AMD have improved it?
[10:05] <intelikey> Electrolyte check the version ?
[10:05] <Electrolyte> You can download either the installed, the X11 version or X.Org version :/
[10:05] <Electrolyte> the installer*
[10:06] <Electrolyte> 8.30.3
[10:06] <nino> MIke2k6 does not look like frostwire runs on Kubuntu  http://www.frostwire.com/?module=faq#com4
[10:06] <Electrolyte> Released yesterday.
[10:06] <intelikey> then yes it's supposed to be improved
[10:06] <nino> i cannot connect either
[10:07] <intelikey> !frostwire
[10:07] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[10:08] <Electrolyte> [09:06:38]  <intelikey> then yes it's supposed to be improved <-- :O!!!!
[10:08] <nino> cool will check it out thanks ubotu
[10:08] <Electrolyte> intelikey: Should I wait for it to be released over apt?
[10:10] <intelikey> Electrolyte that's up to you.  but it's always a bit easier to bet the distro packages working
[10:10] <Electrolyte> Ok.
[10:11] <intelikey> bet/get
[10:11] <intelikey> i'm getting late  :)
[10:11] <Electrolyte> According to their faq they've improved the install.
[10:12] <intelikey> like i said it' up to you.
[10:12] <intelikey> s
[10:13] <Emess> wierd, when i switch virtual desktops teh cube rotates to them, but it shows windows on all desktops on everyone instead of only the ones on that desktop...
[10:13] <intelikey> is odd
[10:16] <Electrolyte> Heh, Linux driver feedback feature :D
[10:16] <Electrolyte> Must use this :D
[10:16] <intelikey> :)
[10:17] <kakalto> did I ever congratulate #kubuntu on the amazing......ly SHOCKING job that was upgrade?
[10:17] <intelikey> i don't know. you'll have to ask them.
[10:23] <scheuri> hi all
[10:24] <intelikey> scheuri
[10:24] <T3hWiz0rd> apparently laptops aren't waterproof
[10:24] <T3hWiz0rd> ohh wells
[10:25] <intelikey> you didn't get the aquitic special ???
[10:25] <T3hWiz0rd> aparently not..
[10:25] <intelikey> hmmm
[10:25] <T3hWiz0rd> and they siad apples take shit better pfft
[10:25] <scheuri> intelikey: yes, how may I be of assistance?
[10:25] <Electrolyte> intelikey: Feedback sent, will have to see what they say :)
[10:26] <Electrolyte> I told them UT2007 and Savage 2 is coming to Linux, so I would really appreciate if they could optimise the driver as much as they do for Windows.
[10:26] <Electrolyte> Since I have a high-end AMD CPU they may listen ;)
[10:27] <intelikey> Electrolyte never know....  :)
[10:28] <T3hWiz0rd> Electrolyte: its sad but a lot of companies still don't see linux as a priority... but within logical reason you have to see why
[10:28] <intelikey> scheuri assistance?    oh  just answering your "<scheuri> hi all"
[10:28] <Electrolyte> T3hWiz0rd: Yeah I know.
[10:28] <Electrolyte> "Not enough people use it"
[10:28] <scheuri> intelikey: ah, sorry
[10:29] <T3hWiz0rd> thats sadly the biggest problem, Electrolyte... that and its not exactly a profitable market yet
[10:29] <Electrolyte> But I think ATI already know they're losing ATI customers who use Linux because of their driver.
[10:29] <sparr> (Reading database ... 382579 files and directories currently installed.)
[10:29] <T3hWiz0rd> Electrolyte: of course... but they're losing less then they're gaining.
[10:29] <Electrolyte> Yeah :/
[10:29] <scheuri> its the famous "egg and chicken" thing
[10:29] <Electrolyte> But since AMD are also part of ATI now, it'll throw me off of buying another AMD CPU in the process.
[10:30] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: because it still represents less than 20% of the computing world.
[10:30] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd it represents a market
[10:30] <Electrolyte> But that number does increase.
[10:30] <intelikey> or infamus
[10:30] <Electrolyte> With distros like Ubuntu & Kubuntu.
[10:30] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: but its not a profitable market *yet*
[10:30] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd I know lots of large profitable companies that work within a market of less than a million people
[10:30] <Linux_Galore> jorik: bs
[10:31] <Electrolyte> With the demands coming out with AIGLX & XGL & Beryl etc, users are going to switch to Linux just for the eye-candy.
[10:31] <navidjoon> Got a problem editing a pdf file. Can anyone help?
[10:31] <T3hWiz0rd> I mean, I look at it at the standpoint of a business man, as I am one... Even if I am fond of soemthing (like say, if i was a hardware manufacture), but what i was fond of was not where my mass market is... I would not focus on it.
[10:31] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd better not tell Nokia that
[10:31] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd they sold out of their first Linux product for 3 months straight
[10:32] <T3hWiz0rd> well, thats just the realistic way... Now once I had money, I am sure i'd give some more focus to that branch that I like... but in reality... Businesses are in business to be capitalistic... not to be everyones friends and make everyone happy...
[10:32] <Linux_Galore> then you have companies like Linksys who use Linux in most of their routers
[10:32] <uros> hi all - does anyone know where i can get rid of the "separator" on every toolbar?
[10:32] <scheuri> there is another problem...linux has too many flavours (in their view)....
[10:32] <Linux_Galore> scheuri: last I looked there was only one kernel
[10:33] <navidjoon> Anyone familliar with postscript? I want to make one postscript file from several ps files and then convert that one file to pdf. Can anyone help?
[10:33] <scheuri> Linux_Galore: yes, but hundreds of distributions...and several package management systems
[10:34] <Linux_Galore> navidjoon: you need to use the ps2  tools
[10:34] <navidjoon> I got them
[10:34] <hi> uros: that depends on the style
[10:35] <navidjoon> But how should I use them? As far as I can see they only accept one input file
[10:35] <Linux_Galore> scheuri: really there are only 2 very popular binary install systems for linux the rest are hardly worth talking about, also windows doesnt have a single binary install system either
[10:35] <T3hWiz0rd> linux needs to do 3 things before it can really become a major target for companies
[10:35] <insanekane> Linux_Galore: hich ones are you talking about ?
[10:35] <scheuri> Linux_Galore: dont tell me...:)...I know that...but...
[10:35] <insanekane> Linux_Galore: deb and rpm ?
[10:35] <Linux_Galore> apt and rpm
[10:35] <T3hWiz0rd> 1. a universal packaging system. 2. fewer flavors 3. a major corporation to really REAR it
[10:35] <scheuri> insanekane: binary are rpm and deb
[10:35] <Linux_Galore> insanekane: yep
[10:36] <insanekane> Linux_Galore: well, pisi will outdo both of them
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> insanekane: thats about 90% of the desktop systems covered
[10:36] <scheuri> insanekane: pisi?
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> insanekane: when it gets a market share we will see
[10:36] <insanekane> scheuri: pisi - Packages Installed Successfully as Intended
[10:36] <scheuri> *laughs*...good name
[10:36] <insanekane> Linux_Galore: sure :)
[10:37] <insanekane> scheuri: its faster, smaller and... much much easier to make
[10:37] <T3hWiz0rd> lol
[10:37] <scheuri> well, I am very very happy with deb so far...but...if it its better...fair enough
[10:37] <T3hWiz0rd> I think my stance on linux provides the most realistic insight to why companies don't aim at it often...
[10:37] <T3hWiz0rd> its just too broad of an OS... everyone and their mother has made a linux flavor of their own
[10:37] <root__> i downloaded 241 mb update packets, it downloaded all, when it installs update gave an error, it said there was an error during installation, and it didnt install updates, could anyone help me :(
[10:37] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd your under the false beleif windows actually has a single binary install system, last I looked there were tons of them
[10:37] <insanekane> scheuri: in turkish, pisi also means "pussy" . as in cat ... "pisipisipisi .." is similiar to "here kitty kitty kitty"
[10:37] <scheuri> insanekane: heh...:)
[10:38] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: however it be, windows still doesn't have 1000 flavors to it
[10:38] <root__> i downloaded 241 mb update packets, it downloaded all, when it installs update gave an error, it said there was an error during installation, and it didnt install updates, could anyone help me :( did i lost all 241 mb download:(
[10:38] <intelikey> T3hWiz0rd what you call a weakness  linux calls it's greatest strength
[10:38] <insanekane> scheuri: pardus devels made approx 500 pisi packages in 2-3 months ...
[10:38] <intelikey> diversity
[10:38] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: i understand the freedom philosophy, but at some point it becomes a weakness
[10:38] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd wait for vista, there are about 9 flavours of that, then you have all the apps with their own take on how windows should work
[10:38] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: well, that is indeed a problem, but still...to make a source is not that much asked for?
[10:38] <insanekane> scheuri: for a very small group of devels, thats amazing
[10:38] <scheuri> insanekane: sounds good...
[10:39] <T3hWiz0rd> scheuri: you're asking major companies to release their precious secrets to plain view of their competetors...
[10:39] <insanekane> scheuri: it is all because of the ease of making packages under pardus
[10:39] <root__>  <insanekane>: arkada bir fikrin var m bu salak durum iin?  i downloaded 241 mb update packets, it downloaded all, when it installs update gave an error, it said there was an error during installation, and it didnt install updates, could anyone help me :( did i lost all 241 mb download:(
[10:39] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: woah...sorry...aye...okay...but making a deb and a rpm is that much asked for?
[10:39] <insanekane> root__: :) sorry, i dont know turkish :)
[10:40] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: you know, i don't like microsoft I don't care for them but saying that there are 9 flavors of vista and all will not be intercompatable is such an understatement and a zealot way to look at it.
[10:40] <insanekane> root__: i dont think you lost all the updates
[10:40] <Linux_Galore> actually I dont want any company to release there code to be honest, all I want is a open standard for communicating with their products, the rest I dont give a toss about
[10:40] <T3hWiz0rd> what made windows successful in the first place?
[10:40] <scheuri> root__: you did not lost them....their are in our cache for apt somehwhere on your harddisk
[10:41] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: marketing?
[10:41] <T3hWiz0rd> I know we all like to think that they took over with an army of dones... but it was successful because it was easy and marketed effectively.
[10:41] <intelikey> scheuri light years of diff in suppling a packaged driver and releasing the source code.    to be gnu complient the source code has to be readily avalable to all
[10:41] <root__> scheuri: how can i get them or try to do update again? or when i reboot, will i lose those ?
[10:41] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd I didn't say anything about compatibility, your adding to the subject, now you have opened a whole new can of worms
[10:42] <scheuri> root__: well, if you start ipgrade again, it should start from where it stopped...happens to me at least
[10:42] <scheuri> root__: and no...as far as I know you wont lose them after reboot
[10:42] <intelikey> "<T3hWiz0rd> what made windows successful in the first place?"    for the most part lack of compitition.
[10:42] <scheuri> Linux_Galore: worms? ;)
[10:42] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd create a exel file with lots of macro's in office 2000 now open it in office 2007, bugger me all the macro's have gone
[10:43] <intelikey> actually ibm
[10:43] <scheuri> aye, IBM....boykott them...;)
[10:43] <T3hWiz0rd> *smacks forehead and shakes head*
[10:43] <intelikey> hehhe no but that was what really made M$
[10:43] <T3hWiz0rd> I guess the point i am trying to get is
[10:44] <T3hWiz0rd> when grandma and grandpa turn on their computer to check emails and share photos with the grandkids
[10:44] <T3hWiz0rd> they don't know they're turning on linux... or windows... or mac... they're turning on their dell
[10:44] <T3hWiz0rd> thats it to them, They turn their *dell* on... and it goes to the internet
[10:44] <T3hWiz0rd> and thats just about ALL they know.
[10:44] <intelikey> M$ was that "ibm compatable operating system"  and that's what made the day for M$
[10:44] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: well, it is unfortunately not that easy
[10:44] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd like my mother tried to this weekend and spent 2 hours trying to attach a directory full of images to an email but couldnt because it was a virtual linked directory
[10:45] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: it ALWAYS fails on the lack of hardware support if people use linux....as soon as a digicam is involved thins get complicate
[10:45] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: the point is though linux does need to make a dummie distro thats realyl well reared by a major company and then distributed with effective marketing.
[10:45] <scheuri> and who is to blame for lacking hardware support?
 when grandma and grandpa turn on their computer to check emails and share photos with the grandkids <---- they are running linux cause i installed it.
[10:45] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd trust me windows doesnt pass the mum and dad test
[10:46] <intelikey> no it doesn't Linux_Galore
[10:46] <intelikey> not at all.
[10:46] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd your under the impression that elite users care that dumb asses use Linux
[10:46] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: I know al ot of elite users who take major pisses on anyone new.
[10:46] <T3hWiz0rd> and thats discouraging enough.
[10:46] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd trust me I dont want Linux stagnating for 5 years because people dont like menu changing
[10:46] <T3hWiz0rd> it made me abaondon linux for a whole year once.
[10:47] <Linux_Galore> menu's
[10:48] <root__> people "THe input device 168 error is simply X trying to load a Wacom tablet and not finding one" this is my problem
[10:48] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd I dont force people to buy fords or GN cars, if fords are a little bit more technical and suite me do i really give a shit if GM makes cars for stupid people
[10:48] <Linux_Galore> s/gn/gm/
[10:48] <root__> and "X error bad device invalid or uninitialized input device" this is the error
[10:48] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: i guess nothing I say will ever make a plausable argument iwth you because your mind is set on what its set on. But the truth is your method doesn't market to the end user
[10:48] <intelikey> guys.  let me say this and i'll let you get back to your off topic discussion.  " linux is what linux is, as windows is what windows is.   that means basicly love it or leave it.  but don't waste everyone elses time griping about it"
[10:50] <intelikey> root__ so remove the referances to wacom in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:50] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd you dont get it, I like Linux the way it is, I dont want a stagnant sheeple Linux tangent, I love the constant variations of new idea's and concepts
[10:50] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: im not saying lets take away your linux
[10:50] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd "its why I truly like Linux"
[10:50] <T3hWiz0rd> im saying lets help linux make a breakthrough.
[10:51] <T3hWiz0rd> we can do that by making a linux distro that has a very good marketing strategy, has a big company pouring good money into it, and gets into good ties wit hhardware distributors.
[10:51] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd you cant, thats what you dont get, you cant make an OS who's whole aim it evolutionary become stagnant and stupid
[10:51] <intelikey> it already broke through, several times.... it doesn't like it over there, keeps comming back  :)
[10:52] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: then explain why debian always is staying stable and not "on the edge"?
[10:52] <n3storm> hi everyone
[10:52] <root__> intelikey: what should i remove i dont know new linux here
[10:52] <nickste> hey n3
[10:52] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd Linspre is a great example, there so far behind now to keep things simple and stupid from the mainstream code releases now its not funny
[10:52] <Linux_Galore> Linspire*
[10:53] <insanekane> intelikey: a fitting end i must say :)
[10:53] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: i don't consider any distro that runs full root a linux distrobution.
[10:53] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: os x dumbs down unix without running a full root account... ever, root isn't even allowed.
[10:53] <root__> intelikey: should i delete conf file in xorg.conf
[10:53] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd Debian stable is for servers, with server you after up times, but stable still gets back ports from the "unstable" branch
[10:53] <intelikey> root__ no, edit the file   kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf      and look for "wacom"  comment out the entire section, should be two of them.
[10:54] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd you can get root on OSX
[10:54] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: i know you can
[10:54] <T3hWiz0rd> i am talking out of the box its an entire sudoers os
[10:54] <intelikey> insanekane :)
[10:54] <Linux_Galore> T3hWiz0rd also OSX runs pretty unstable code its just that the BSD guys filter it pretty well
[10:55] <bergheim> What's the update manager called for KDE?
[10:55] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: what i am saying is we need a linux distro more like os x...
[10:55] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: does that sum it down enough?
[10:55] <T3hWiz0rd> something that markets well...
[10:55] <Linux_Galore> bergheim:  god no OSX is horrible
[10:55] <intelikey> T3hWiz0rd sums it up well but i totally disagree... :)
[10:56] <bergheim> Linux_Galore: ?
[10:56] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: i didn't ask your personal opinions on os x, i said linux needs something that can be marketed as such
[10:56] <Linux_Galore> the UI on OSX is absolutely the most over hyped piece of rubbish Ive ever used
[10:56] <bergheim> I mean something that notifys me when an update is avaliable
[10:57] <T3hWiz0rd> I love linux too but its time for some zealots to reenter reality.
[10:57] <insanekane> bergheim: adept
[10:57] <bergheim> When did I ever say anything about OSX o.O
[10:57] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: and what would this reality be?
[10:57] <cab_> hi all
[10:57] <intelikey> T3hWiz0rd why reality is for those that cant handle uforia
[10:57] <T3hWiz0rd> scheuri: "don't believe your eyes, they'll lie to you"
[10:57] <bergheim> insanekane: you have to run adept manually though.. I mean something that sits in your systray.. I remember having it there before, I just closed it
[10:57] <insanekane> bergheim: its called adept update agent
[10:58] <Linux_Galore> I remember going to a demo of Tiger and he was going on how stable it is, I said let me try, 45 seconds the machine stopped
[10:58] <Linux_Galore> muawahahah
[10:58] <insanekane> bergheim: it sits in the systray and notifies on updates
[10:58] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: aww...come on...no philosophy...what is the reality for "us zealots" we dont see?
[10:58] <Linux_Galore> I means hard reset to fix stopped
[10:58] <insanekane> bergheim: i dont know what it is called in newer versions of kubuntu ... i no longer use kubuntu
[10:58] <root__> intelikey_ there are three wacom devices all they are for tablet pc, i deleted 3 of all
[10:58] <cab_> root__: you need to edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root and comment out all that points to wacom
[10:58] <T3hWiz0rd> scheuri: so you're classifying yourself as a zealot?
[10:59] <bergheim> insanekane: okay.. Thanks, I'll look..
[10:59] <intelikey> root__ the full sections i assume not just one line each....
[10:59] <scheuri> T3hWiz0rd: well, sometimes yes...but I am eager to find out what reality "the zealots" dont want to see in your opinion...
[10:59] <Linux_Galore> OSX looks pretty but I know from the khtml the code handed over by apple its total rubbish underneath
[10:59] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: os x has leaps and bounds to still overcome
[10:59] <bergheim> insanekane: right, adept_notifier :)
[11:00] <insanekane> scheuri: hes probably talking about the proprietary/closed source usefullness of programs
[11:00] <T3hWiz0rd> Linux_Galore: it still even crashes when ejecting network drives
[11:00] <insanekane> bergheim: yeah that i guess '
[11:00] <scheuri> insanekane: ah, okay
[11:00] <n3storm> I would like to share a calendar with kontact
[11:00] <insanekane> bergheim: as i said, i dont know what it is called ... i stopped using kubuntu sometime ago
[11:00] <Linux_Galore> well I know the UI wont multi thread well till this day thats how i can crash it so easily
[11:00] <n3storm> is webdav the best choice to do so across the internet?
[11:00] <bergheim> insanekane: might I ask why
[11:00] <cpm> is rapidshare.de and rapidshare.com the same or is the .com just a ripoff??
[11:00] <n3storm> we are 4 o 5 users only
[11:01] <insanekane> bergheim: i moved to better one :)
[11:01] <intelikey> !best
[11:01] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[11:01] <insanekane> bergheim: in my opinion atleast ...
[11:01] <n3storm> I read about caldav and  groupdav and now I'm a bit confused
[11:01] <root__> intelikey_ the adept gives error but it updates now. i see it from details, but percentage is still zero
[11:01] <bergheim> insanekane: I figured, I was just wondering what you landed on..
[11:01] <Linux_Galore> I know Linux is far from perfect but to be honest I havent seen a truly innovative OS desktop in 23 years
[11:02] <insanekane> bergheim: www.pardus.org.tr ... click english in the nvaigation bar
[11:02] <root__> intelikey_ now stopped...
[11:02] <n3storm> Linux_Galore: may be mediacenters?
[11:02] <Linux_Galore> n3storm: nope
[11:02] <n3storm> ok
[11:02] <T3hWiz0rd> pz everyone
[11:02] <T3hWiz0rd> its beadtime for me.
[11:03] <Linux_Galore> most desktop still use the dated filing cabinet model for files and data, when humans handle data in space and time in reality
[11:03] <intelikey> root__ someone said there was a problem with a ubuntu server eariler.... i haven't confirmed or refuited it
[11:03] <EricJ> Hi everyone. Got a newbie question. :)
[11:03] <EricJ> How do I install Kdevelop?
[11:04] <Linux_Galore> EricJ: apt-get install kdevelop
[11:04] <root__> !debconf
[11:04] <ubotu> debconf is a configuration management system. All packages that support debconf are configured when they are being installed. If you want to change a configuration option later, you can do so using dpkg-reconfigure
[11:04] <typecast> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/69583 <--- when will this one go into the official ubuntu archives?
[11:04] <Linux_Galore> EricJ: sorry  sudo apt-get install kdevelop
[11:04] <LockUp> Is it possible to save documents to PDF/X using OpenOffice.org?
[11:05] <intelikey> EricJ sudo apt-get install kdevelop3
[11:05] <EricJ> Linux_Galore: I think I'm missing some repositories. Could you help me?
[11:05] <Linux_Galore> LockUp: yep, icon up the top
[11:05] <insanekane> LockUp: to PDF yes ... but if you want to print professionally, i strongly suggest *not* to use OOo
[11:05] <intelikey> should prolly also get  kdevelop3-doc
[11:05] <n3storm> indeed, insanekane
[11:05] <LockUp> It's called "PDF/X" format.
[11:05] <insanekane> LockUp: i dont think OOo has PDF/X support though
[11:05] <n3storm> better use Scribus and scribus-ng
[11:05] <n3storm> but scribus has a bug on ubuntu
[11:06] <insanekane> n3storm: scribus-ng ?
[11:06] <kaabaa> hi all! I have a problem installing kubuntu: he tells me that XFS may not be used on a partition with /boot, but I setted up another partition with ext2 for /boot (this is step5 of the installation routine)
[11:06] <LockUp> Scribus cannot open OpenOffice's .odg and .sxd documents. :(
[11:06] <n3storm> yeap, is a devel-stable release ;)
[11:06] <intelikey> !info kdevelop
[11:06] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7894 kB, installed size 24892 kB
[11:06] <insanekane> LockUp: but you can import it
[11:06] <insanekane> n3storm: ah right
[11:06] <intelikey> !info kdevelop edgy
[11:06] <n3storm> LockUp: last time I checked it could
[11:06] <n3storm> pretty stable
[11:06] <intelikey> i guess that was edgy
[11:06] <insanekane> LockUp: use the get text modle
[11:06] <LockUp> So I shouldn't "open" it but "import"?
[11:06] <intelikey> !info kdevelop dapper
[11:06] <insanekane> module
[11:06] <ubotu> Package kdevelop does not exist in dapper
[11:07] <n3storm> but you should unninstall scimmqt or a similar package
[11:07] <Linux_Galore> PDF/X is supported by scribus
[11:07] <insanekane> LockUp: wat you do is .. start scribus with a new document and a text frmae ... right click the frame and click get text
[11:07] <n3storm> in order to scribus work properly
[11:07] <scheuri> packages.ubuntu.com might help to find packages
[11:07] <insanekane> Linux_Galore: yep, it is ;)
[11:07] <LockUp> okay
[11:07] <Linux_Galore> LockUp: get scribus its free and in the repositories
[11:07] <LockUp> I will try. :)
[11:07] <LockUp> I have Scribus on Linux.
[11:07] <kaabaa> could anyone help me ? I can't continue the installation, he keeps telling me to chosse another fs although I have ext2 for /boot
[11:07] <Electrolyte> Oh I am so getting sick of apt :/
[11:07] <LockUp> Okay, i'm going to Linux.
[11:07] <Electrolyte> Break this, break that.
[11:07] <scheuri> Electrolyte: why is that?
[11:08] <scheuri> Electrolyte: upgrading from dapper to edgy?
[11:08] <Electrolyte> Not only do I have a loophole with k3d, now I can't remove OpenOffice.
[11:08] <Electrolyte> On Edgy.
[11:08] <EricJ> scheuri: I've found the package I want on packages.ubuntu.com, but I'm not sure what to add to sources.list :/
[11:08] <Linux_Galore> Electrolyte: means need to work on your sources.list  more, I very rarely get dep problems
[11:08] <rbolt> hello
[11:08] <theskyrider> is there an extreme newbie channel, for like two-hours old newbies?
[11:08] <Electrolyte> The sources.list is normal.
[11:08] <nickste> I'm trying to get Beryl/XGL/ATI to work. When I start beryl, it says: XGL Absent, and goes on to try and use AIGLX, which doesn't work.
[11:08] <scheuri> EricJ: does is say [universe]  in red next to the package name on package.ubuntu.com?
[11:08] <Linux_Galore> Electrolyte: mine isnt its got heaps in there
[11:08] <n3storm> theskyrider: go ahead
[11:09] <rbolt> i have video stream problems can some enlighten me?
[11:09] <Electrolyte> Well there you go then - my is standard yet it's breaking.
[11:09] <EricJ> scheuri: 2secs, lemme check
[11:09] <Electrolyte> Only been getting these problems since I did the upgrade.
[11:09] <scheuri> Electrolyte: aaahh...upgrade...
[11:09] <Linux_Galore> Electrolyte: usually its because they expect you to use some of the none standard ones
[11:09] <intelikey> kaabaa if the installer wont let you continue   there's nothing we can do about it.   but i can point you to the "alternate" install cd if you want to do anything 'non-standard'   i can't say that it will install on xfs but it "should".
[11:09] <Electrolyte> I'm gonna end up burning the ISO to disc and doing a fresh sodding install :/
[11:10] <Linux_Galore> Electrolyte: yeah I did the dapper-> edgy update, fsking mess
[11:10] <n3storm> theskyrider: what is your problem?
[11:10] <scheuri> Electrolyte: if you have your /home on a seperate partition...its not that bad....but please backup forst
[11:10] <kaabaa> intelikey: it worked with dapper though
[11:10] <theskyrider> I just installed ubuntu as a dual-boot on my laptop.  I can't see my wireless card though
[11:10] <intelikey> kaabaa i know.
[11:10] <Electrolyte> I have 2 drives for backup.
[11:10] <root__> intelikey_ in fact again i cant login with myusername and password...
[11:10] <Linux_Galore> Electrolyte: I got it working in the end but it wasnt easy
[11:10] <Electrolyte> I don't actually use /home/, I use /sata/files/ and /backup/
[11:10] <theskyrider> not always going to be able to use eth0, if you know what I mean
[11:10] <EricJ> Hmm.. Thanks for the hint, scheuri. I think I've got it figured out now. :)
[11:11] <root__> intelikey_ sth happened and it doesnt accept it in kde, but it is ok in konsole...
[11:11] <Electrolyte> I'd backup ~/.kde/ though.
[11:11] <scheuri> EricJ: very welcome
[11:11] <kaabaa> intelikey: maybe it's just me doing something wrong? I have 3 partitions, ext2 for /boot, xfs for / and swap for swap and then I show him what is what
[11:11] <intelikey> oh is it a login issue root__ i thought you were trying to rid your self of those pesky error messages
[11:11] <scheuri> Electrolyte: PLEASE...backup everything...
[11:11] <root__> intelikey_ yes now i am root
[11:11] <Electrolyte> Well if I backup /.kde/ it'll break due to missing fonts and such :/
[11:11] <n3storm> theskyrider: I don't know what you mean :(
[11:11] <Electrolyte> scheuri: I'm already upgraded.
[11:12] <root__> intelikey_ because i cant login with my username
[11:12] <n3storm> anyway you need wireless access, don't you?
[11:12] <Electrolyte> And it messed up.
[11:12] <Electrolyte> I doubt I'll upgrade from Edgy to the next one.
[11:12] <scheuri> Electrolyte: yes...but with a clean install you might be lucky...but...that also means there is a chance (even if its a small one) that it will kill your data
[11:12] <kaabaa> intelikey: the problem is - I cannot boot into Windows because it destroyed grub -
[11:12] <intelikey> root__ you are using a password ?
[11:12] <Electrolyte> scheuri: I already said I use 2 different drives.
[11:12] <root__> intelikey_ yes
[11:12] <Electrolyte> 3 total.
[11:13] <scheuri> Electrolyte: well...just wanted to point out that backups are very very important before installing anything new
[11:13] <theskyrider> I have a wap in the house already, but I can't even find the wireless card with this os
[11:13] <n3storm> aha
[11:13] <n3storm> theskyrider: what model is your wireless card?
[11:13] <theskyrider> atheros
[11:13] <intelikey> root__ try changing the password     (you can change it to the same theing if you like)
[11:14] <kaabaa> intelikey: so where can I get the alternative CD at least?
[11:14] <scheuri> kaabaa: ubuntu.com
[11:14] <theskyrider> sorry, toshiba laptop, atheros wireless card.
[11:14] <intelikey> kaabaa from the same download page as the live cd
[11:14] <kaabaa> scheuri: I'm using kubuntu ?
[11:14] <root__> intelikey_ i tried it, also added new user too, but still kde doesnt accept, all those happened after a broken translation which is mysql
[11:15] <n3storm> theskyrider: can you see the exact model with lspci?
[11:15] <scheuri> kaabaa: well then....kubuntu.org
[11:15] <n3storm> theskyrider: you open a konsole
[11:15] <n3storm> and write down "lspci"
[11:15] <n3storm> and then press Intro
[11:15] <n3storm> you will see a list of devices
[11:15] <rbolt> i have video streaming problems thru lan (windows shared videos)
[11:15] <rbolt> can someone help me
[11:15] <kaabaa> intelikey: but I dont have less than 192MB ram or these things, why should I use the Alternative then? Does it have the old installation routine?
[11:16] <intelikey> root__ oh my.  mysql did this to you.....   and i know nothing about mysql... you need someone else to help with that.
[11:16] <theskyrider> ok, got the lspci working, need a minute to go through the screen
[11:16] <scheuri> kaabaa: alternate. not alternative...and yes...it has the "old" routine on it
[11:16] <root__> intelikey_ ok sir, thanx again:)
[11:16] <intelikey> kaabaa yes
[11:16] <root__> intelikey_ let me reboot
[11:16] <intelikey> root__ k
[11:17] <eaglehawk> anybody who can help me with apt-get
[11:17] <n3storm> theskyrider: take your time
[11:17] <EricJ> Just a quick question. What are the differences between (K)ubuntu and the Debian distributions? o.O
[11:17] <theskyrider> ok, lspci is showing me that it does know what the card is.
[11:17] <EricJ> I'm new to Kubuntu, and it looks quite similar.
[11:17] <intelikey> eaglehawk
[11:17] <momal> hmm anyone know why glxgears(+ other opengl games) would be giving out a low fps rate? (I have a geforce 7800gt + nvidia beta drivers + edgy) its onyl geting about 10-20fps :S
[11:17] <scheuri> EricJ: different version of packages/software, some patches which might be applied on one distribution and not the other...
[11:18] <intelikey> !ask | eaglehawk
[11:18] <ubotu> eaglehawk: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:18] <theskyrider>  Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802.11abg NIC
[11:18] <EricJ> Hm
[11:18] <intelikey> eaglehawk no.  in the channel.
[11:18] <n3storm> theskyrider: ok, great
[11:18] <scheuri> EricJ: (K)ubuntu will release every 6 month....debian will release when its done
[11:18] <intelikey> eaglehawk in the channel.
[11:19] <EricJ> Allright, thanks scheuri. Just curious. :)
[11:19] <n3storm> theskyrider: now I go to google and copy paste "ubuntu AR5005G 802.11abg NIC"
[11:20] <n3storm> to check if somebody else has had problems, issues, success, etc with ubuntu
[11:20] <scheuri> EricJ: sure enoug...:)
[11:20] <n3storm> if I get no info with ubuntu, I will look for debian
[11:20] <n3storm> and if not linux in general
[11:20] <n3storm> ok?
[11:21] <n3storm> looks like your wifi card should work out of the box with edgy
[11:21] <n3storm> what version of kubuntu did you install, theskyrider ?
[11:21] <scheuri> n3storm: already made a ifconfig with theskyrider
[11:21] <scheuri> ?
[11:22] <n3storm> and?
[11:22] <theskyrider> using ubuntu, not kubuntu
[11:22] <n3storm> no wireless card?
[11:22] <scheuri> n3storm: sorry, that was a question...:)
[11:22] <n3storm> aha :D
[11:22] <scheuri> theskyrider: that is all the same on that level
[11:22] <intelikey> eaglehawk sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -f
[11:22] <n3storm> we are on to it
[11:22] <alexicon> hiya still haveing glx issues
[11:22] <scheuri> n3storm: maybe the wlan card is recognized...
[11:22] <theskyrider> 6.10
[11:23] <alexicon> when i change driver in xorg.conf to "nvidia" from "nv" X wont start
[11:23] <n3storm> theskyrider: write down at your konsole: iwconfig
[11:24] <n3storm> theskyrider: that's great, you are using Edgy 6.10
[11:25] <theskyrider> okay, the card is mapped to ath0
[11:25] <intelikey> if eaglehawk ever gets finished pm'ing  and makes it back here would someone show him that command please...
[11:25] <n3storm> theskyrider: eth0 is only for cable cards
[11:26] <n3storm> theskyrider: so, what tool are you using to configure wifi networking?
[11:26] <alexicon> anybody else have their nvidia-glx-conf enable fail due to md5sum error?
[11:26] <xsacha> -im
[11:26] <alexicon> do i need kernel source for nvidia-glx?
[11:26] <scheuri> n3storm: thought it was a config-problem not a hardware-detecion one...;)
[11:26] <intelikey> alexicon eeek wrong kernel ?
[11:26] <alexicon> ive got nvidia-kernel-common
[11:26] <n3storm> sheuri, yep but I wanted him to go through all the process so he learns :D
[11:27] <alexicon> i think thats the right one
[11:27] <alexicon> cos its got the nv driver
[11:27] <alexicon> but glx wont play :/
[11:27] <scheuri> n3storm: sure enough...;)
[11:27] <alexicon> not even with my old gentoo config
[11:27] <momal> anyone here run opengl games with nvidia beta drivers and dont' have any probs?
[11:27] <intelikey> alexicon i mean are you booted the kernel version that matches the driver version ???
[11:28] <n3storm> theskyrider: can you see the icon of a K or a foot?
[11:28] <n3storm> somewhere at your desktop
[11:28] <alexicon> the numbering scheme doesnt match on glx and kernel
[11:28] <alexicon> gentoo had just combined glx with kernel into one driver set... nrrr
[11:28] <intelikey> anyway i'm out of time.   got to go.
[11:29] <alexicon> bye
[11:29] <theskyrider> the only place i see the foot is in the system menu - reads about gnome
[11:29] <alexicon> momal: did you get nvidia-glx working
[11:29] <intelikey> alexicon but the kernel version matches the restricted-modules version
[11:29] <alexicon> restricted hrm
[11:29] <n3storm> ehe
[11:29] <snovvy> witam!
[11:29] <momal> alexicon: I don't use nvidia-glx... I run the installer from the nvidia site
[11:29] <alexicon> ohh might try that next
[11:30] <n3storm> theskyrider: at this point you better go to #ubuntu channel
[11:30] <n3storm> cause at #kubuntu we have another desktop
[11:30] <jende_> Howdy folks
[11:30] <n3storm> and I can't see the same you see in your screen
[11:30] <theskyrider> konversation had this one set as the default, sorry
[11:30] <scheuri> n3storm: you have ubuntu not installed?
[11:30] <n3storm> so I cannot go through the menus and so
[11:30] <snovvy> i need help... i must add key but i don't know how :) .. yes i am newbie ... :] 
[11:30] <n3storm> I have Kubuntu, KDE
[11:30] <scheuri> theskyrider: yes, because konversation is a tool made for KDE...:)
[11:31] <n3storm> theskyrider: no problem
[11:31] <alexicon> i have a couple linux-restricted-modules installed if that matters
[11:31] <n3storm> theskyrider: sorry I can't help you
[11:31] <scheuri> theskyrider: but that is not a problem...most people at #ubuntu using Gnome (like you) and are of better help
[11:31] <n3storm> yep
[11:31] <snovvy> scheuri: i use KDE :)
[11:32] <scheuri> snovvy: me too, but I have Gnome installed as well...;)
[11:32] <mihail> i love gnome :D
[11:32] <snovvy> i got XCFS [or sth]  but it's terrible for me :)
[11:32] <scheuri> xcfs is not that bad if you need something fast...
[11:32] <momal> whats the command to run the check harddrive program
[11:33] <scheuri> momal: hparm is your friend
[11:33] <alexicon> hdd space?
[11:33] <jende_> momal: hdparm
[11:33] <n3storm> alexicon: df
[11:33] <scheuri> hdparm...aye
[11:33] <mihail> what kind of check do ?
[11:33] <jende_> alexicon: or 'du'
[11:33] <momal> the windows one was chkdisk from memory
[11:33] <snovvy> can anyone tell me how to add key? :) I can't end  sudo apt-get update :(
[11:33] <scheuri> df -h even tells you space in human readably sizes
[11:33] <theskyrider> thanks for your help n3storm and scheuri
[11:33] <xsacha> fsck ?
[11:34] <n3storm> theskyrider: you are welcome!
[11:34] <scheuri> theskyrider: welcome
[11:34] <n3storm> :D
[11:34] <jende_> momal: man fsck or man fs2ck
[11:34] <xsacha> momal: filesystem check?
[11:34] <momal> arr thats the one thanks :)0
[11:34] <theskyrider> once I get all of this figured out, I'm going to take the XP off this thing
[11:34] <jende_> momal: read the manpages before you're using fsck!
[11:35] <xsacha> sacha@noob $  > fsck /dev/hda1                      Device is mounted. Unmounting and writing zeros to it to teach you a lesson.
[11:35] <alexicon> heh
[11:35] <snovvy> i got kubuntu for 3 days and i break it :] 
[11:36] <n3storm> theskyrider: don't name the evil in this channel XDDD
[11:36] <nino> lol
[11:36] <jende_> xsacha: thats why I told him to read manpages ;-)
[11:36] <theskyrider> n3storm: how about if I just call it - the other OS
[11:36] <alexicon> whats 6.06 called?
[11:36] <xsacha> F*CK! :(
[11:37] <xsacha> alexicon: dapper
[11:37] <jende_> alexicon: dapper drake
[11:37] <alexicon> kk
[11:37] <n3storm> XDD
[11:38] <snovvy> today we got zombie day :] 
[11:39] <Mike2k6> xchat is exactly like konversation...
[11:40] <snovvy> i don't have sound, i can end apt-get update, i got old PC but i still Love [K] Ubuntu :)
[11:40] <n3storm> Mike2k6: surprised?
[11:40] <Mike2k6> n3storm, well im used to mIRC
[11:41] <nebur> alguien sabe cmo entrar al irc-hispano?
[11:43] <Mike2k6> id like to create my own mud, so i guess im going to need a programming application, i got very basic knowlege of programming languages, any recomended applications?
[11:43] <MidMark> hi, where are stored info about screensaver? I've screensaver broken in edgy
[11:43] <xsacha> Mike2k6: that's not that hard, only need to deal with console :) c++?
[11:43] <xsacha> socks?
[11:44] <Mike2k6> i took a js2e class in highschool, it introduced us to for and while loops etc.
[11:44] <Mike2k6> well not saying i know exactly how to make a mud right now, but if i were to go that route, i need somewhere to start ya know?
[11:44] <momal> speaking of screensaver any ideas to why when i run the lock session the screen saver doesn't appear and when i move my mouse the unlock screen then pops up but no sccreen saver :(... but screen saver runs when i click test in its settings
[11:45] <xsacha> yep yep, might want to take a c/c++ tutorial and socks tutorial :) but that would just be my preference, some people wouldnt recommended c straight off
[11:45] <alexicon> where is update-manager meant to be?
[11:45] <MidMark> momal: I've also issues with screensaver
[11:45] <MidMark> it doesn't appears also after x minutes
[11:45] <MidMark> preview is ok
[11:45] <alexicon> which update-manager someone
[11:45] <snovvy>         (__)
[11:45] <snovvy>          (oo)
[11:45] <snovvy>    /------\/
[11:45] <snovvy>   / |    ||
[11:45] <snovvy>  *  /\---/\
[11:45] <snovvy>     ~~   ~~
[11:45] <snovvy> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[11:46] <xsacha> nup
[11:46] <Mike2k6> is c++ done souly through the console?
[11:46] <nino> mooo
[11:46] <Mike2k6> i mean im looking for an app with pretty colors lol
[11:46] <xsacha> can use colours in console :) but c++ will do anything
[11:46] <momal> MidMark: strange i just checked it on the time thingo and waited the time and it didn't work either : O
[11:46] <Mike2k6> ok searching for mp3's on torrent spy seems to be a waste of time
[11:47] <MidMark> momal: I think it is an update issue, I had kde from 3.5.2 to 3.5.5
[11:47] <xsacha> i find gnutella/... networks best for small files
[11:47] <MidMark> and 3.5.3 was broken I think
[11:47] <kaflan> hi. i install kubuntu its greate after SUSE. I like it! But how can i know defaul root password?
[11:47] <momal> yea.. you running edgy?
[11:47] <Mike2k6> xsacha, of course you do, remember helping me with frostwire for 2 hours last night?
[11:47] <MidMark> momal: yep
[11:47] <kaflan> y
[11:47] <jende_> kaflan: we don't have a real root
[11:47] <xsacha> kaflan: this distro encourages using sudo
[11:47] <xsacha> well, kdesu for gui apps
[11:47] <kaflan> omg!?!
[11:48] <kaflan> hmm
[11:48] <Mike2k6> frostwire wont connect :-\
[11:48] <xsacha> :S
[11:48] <kaflan> but why not normal security system?
[11:48] <MidMark> people: screensaver works for you?
[11:48] <jende_> kaflan: he?
[11:48] <amayera> hi
[11:49] <kaflan> maybe i shoud install ubuntu to have normal security system?
[11:49] <snovvy> hello
[11:49] <jende_> kaflan: what are you talking about?
[11:49] <xsacha> kaflan: this is the same as ubuntu
[11:49] <xsacha> except with KDE
[11:49] <MidMark> kaflan: no root password doesn't means minor security
[11:49] <jende_> kaflan: ubuntu and kubuntu are the same distros, just a different DM
[11:49] <houssem> hello
[11:49] <alexicon> MidMark: yes, which screensaver are you using
[11:49] <MidMark> alexicon: kde screensaver, but nothing appears :(
[11:50] <amayera> I am using the latest kubuntu edgy. when I send my system into suspend2ram and it wakes up sometimes the mouse does just blink but not work (optical mouse). dmesg says that it is being disconnected and connected all the time.
[11:50] <jende_> kaflan: but if you want/need a 'su' you can create one
[11:50] <amayera> what can I do?
[11:50] <alexicon> try installing xscreensaver or electricsheep or something
[11:50] <kaflan> hmm, but all users can have root privilages?
[11:50] <alexicon> electricsheep++
[11:50] <houssem> when i type "./configure" to install cheops i get this message "configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables."
[11:50] <alexicon> they should all be configuratble from kcontrol
[11:50] <xsacha> kaflan: the users are in sudoers list, effectively giving them root privileges
[11:50] <MidMark> kaflan: you can be in admin group, but to operate as admin you have to provide your password
[11:50] <xsacha> you need to type in password to sudo though
[11:51] <snovvy> amayera: I can't help you :) I am newbie @ ubuntu topic ... btw in linux too :] 
[11:51] <MidMark> that it is stored with admin priviledges
[11:51] <MidMark> it's not like winxp, it's like macos I think
[11:51] <amayera> I already thought my mouse was ready for being dumped, but it works just fine as long as it doesn't come out of suspend2ram.
[11:51] <MidMark> alexicon: the fact is I prefer kde's screensavers
[11:51] <jende_> kaflan: sudo passwd root
[11:52] <kaflan> so, i can create normal user, and than my default user (thats create by installer) and use his password like administrator?
[11:52] <jende_> kaflan: and you'll have a root acct
[11:52] <amayera> could it be that the usbcore module or something is fscked?
[11:52] <kaflan> wow
[11:52] <houssem> please any one can help me ???
[11:52] <arschkind> hallo you funny people
[11:52] <xsacha> lol@kaflan
[11:52] <MidMark> kaflan: sudo is better than root, more confortable and less painful and with the same strength
[11:52] <arschkind> can you tell what I have to do to play mp3s on my kubuntu??
[11:52] <MidMark> no need for root
[11:53] <jende_> kaflan: read   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo   esp the part Benefits
[11:53] <houssem> when i type "./configure" to install cheops i get this message "configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables."
[11:53] <kaflan> thx all, going to rtfm...
[11:53] <xsacha> houssem: this is a win32 program?
[11:53] <snovvy> try to  sudo apt-get gcc
[11:53] <houssem> xsacha: no it's cheops a linux program
[11:53] <jende_> snovvy: ...get install...
[11:54] <snovvy> yes :)
[11:54] <snovvy> :P
[11:54] <snovvy> my bad
[11:54] <xsacha> that error should come form compiling win32 binary :S
[11:54] <Mr_Pan> buongiorno
[11:55] <houssem> xsacha: so ???
[11:55] <sloef> Ho guys ... how do I get amarok to play on my sb Live? (when I use mpg321, it works, amarok just 'skips' the files)
[11:55] <sloef> I have amarok + xine engine (alsa)
[11:55] <ccherrett> anyone know how to install mplayerplugin through apt-get?
[11:55] <jende_> houssem: why do you have to run ./configure?cheops should be in the repos
[11:56] <houssem> jende_: no i didn't find it in the repos
[11:56] <jende_> houssem: Filename: pool/universe/c/cheops/cheops_0.61-14_i386.deb
[11:56] <houssem> jende_: how can i use this link please ?
[11:56] <jende_> houssem:
[11:56] <jende_> Cheops is no longer being developed, however, cheops-ng offers similar
[11:56] <jende_>  functionality and is actively maintained.
[11:57] <xsacha> it's in universe
[11:57] <houssem> jende_: yes yes i have cheops-ng
[11:58] <jende_> houssem: Filename: pool/universe/c/cheops-ng/cheops-ng_0.2.3-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:58] <alexicon> maybe edgy will fix my glx issues..
[11:58] <jende_> houssem: you may want to modify your sources.list to get the cheops
[11:58] <scheuri> houssem: you need to add the repository "universe" to your sources...either manually or using adept/synaptic
[11:58] <houssem> jende_: i have to add this line to my sources.list ???
[11:59] <xsacha> :S add universe
[11:59] <jende_> houssem: no, just enable the line *UNIVERSE*
[11:59] <jende_> houssem: in your sources.list
[11:59] <houssem> jende_: ah ok, i will test it
[11:59] <houssem> thanks
[11:59] <jende_> houssem: you also need the vncviewer
[11:59] <houssem> jende_: vncviewer ? for what ?
[11:59] <alexicon> can't find DistUpgradeViewGtk
[12:00] <jende_> houssem: type in a console apt-cache show cheops-ng
[12:00] <jende_> houssem: it'll tell you
[12:01] <Mike2k6> Anyone here use FrostWire?
[12:01] <jende_> nope
[12:02] <sloef> Is the upgrade from dapper to edgy smooth?
[12:02] <jende_> sloef: yep
[12:02] <Mike2k6> upgrade from winxp pro sp2 to edgy is pretty smoothe lol
[12:02] <xsacha> lol
[12:02] <alexicon> my update-manger doesnt work
[12:02] <Lynoure> sloef: depends who you ask....
[12:02] <sloef> jende_: I heared there were some problems with ubuntu ...
[12:03] <jende_> sloef: sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/ edgy /g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:03] <Mike2k6> xsacha, how do you view what ports you have open? That way i can manually direct frostwire to it.
[12:03] <jende_> sloef: errr...not as far as I have heard, anyway this is the kubuntu channell
[12:03] <xsacha> Mike2k6: you have a router, right?
[12:03] <Mike2k6> xsacha, why yes, yes i do!
[12:03] <alexicon> is there a program to just change the gtk theme when you havent got gnome installed
[12:03] <xsacha> well try: 192.168.0.1 or whatever your router is
[12:04] <sloef> jende_: I have kubuntu :)
[12:04] <jende_> sloef: then you have to make a sudo apt-get update
[12:04] <Mike2k6> xsacha, im in there
[12:04] <xsacha> find section for ports, i dont know what yours looks like
[12:04] <jende_> sloef: after that do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:04] <xsacha> mighr be called Firewall
[12:04] <jende_> sloef: and the upgrade is done
[12:04] <Mike2k6> xsacha, all i have is port forwarding which did not work.
[12:04] <xsacha> yes, it is port forwarding..
[12:04] <szymon_> siemano
[12:04] <jende_> sloef: hope that's smooth enough; 3 lines
[12:05] <Lynoure> It's the aftermath many have trouble with
[12:05] <xsacha> if port forwarding doesnt work, it's not your ports that are the problem :)
[12:05] <Mike2k6> xsacha, well what else could it be?
[12:05] <sloef> jende_: Unable to find expected entry  -updates/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[12:05] <xsacha> dont know
[12:05] <jende_> sloef: pastebin your sources.list
[12:05] <jende_> !paste
[12:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:06] <jende_> sloef: you ran all the three lines I posted in here?
[12:06] <sloef> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29699/
[12:07] <sloef> jende_: I got the problems when I ran the apt-get update
[12:08] <sloef> jende_: What I find strange is the -security and -update in my sources.list
[12:09] <sloef> jende_: I've never noticed that in debian ...
[12:09] <jende_> sloef: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29701/   read my comment at the end of the file
[12:10] <jende_> sloef: the repo management is a bit different to debian, thats true. But its not a big thing, though
[12:10] <Lynoure> sloef: at least on #ubuntu quite many people seem to have some problems and many recommend doing clean install instead of an upgrade.
[12:10] <Lynoure> sloef: I just recommend keeping a livecd handy and possibly doing backups first
[12:11] <jende_> Lynoure: we had a release party here in hannover and I upgraded quite a few Kubuntus that way, as like as my boxes and none of them had any probs at all
[12:11] <Lynoure> But I have not upgraded to edgy, just general things.
[12:11] <alexicon> extracting '/tmp/tmpsHqRLO/edgy.tar.gz'
[12:11] <alexicon> authenticate '/tmp/tmpsHqRLO/edgy.tar.gz' against '/tmp/tmpsHqRLO/edgy.tar.gz.gpg'
[12:12] <alexicon> can't find DistUpgradeViewGtk
[12:12] <Lynoure> jende_: I might wish to borrow your luck at some point :)
[12:12] <alexicon> thats what happens when i try the edgy update through update-manager
[12:12] <sloef> did you reply? (I'm having some difficulties with my wireless connection)
[12:12] <jende_> Lynoure: why? I mean thats basically how all my upgrades run
[12:13] <jende_> sloef: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29701/   read my comment at the end of the file
[12:14] <jende_> alexicon: do that:
[12:14] <jende_> sloef: sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/ edgy /g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:14] <jende_> sloef: then you have to make a sudo apt-get update
[12:14] <alexicon> ok
[12:14] <jende_> sloef: after that do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:14] <jende_> sloef: and the upgrade is done
[12:14] <jende_> alexicon: make sure that your sources looks equal to sloef's sources
[12:15] <jende_> alexicon: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29701/
[12:15] <alexicon> ok
[12:15] <jende_> sloef: did yoou have a look at the sources, I modified for you?
[12:16] <alexicon> jende_: is it just two new repos
[12:16] <alexicon> 4 rather
[12:16] <jende_> alexicon: yep
[12:16] <alexicon> basically all the stuff with edgy mentioend
[12:16] <jende_> alexicon: exactly
[12:16] <alexicon> do i comment out the old ones
[12:16] <alexicon> that point to dapper
[12:16] <jende_> I'd rather say so
[12:17] <alexicon> righto hence the sed
[12:17] <alexicon> cheers
[12:17] <jende_> alexicon: no worries
[12:18] <jende_> sloef: alexicon: if you guys are working with OOo rather than with  KOffice you will have to add later on 2 more lines to your sources to get some major bugs fixed
[12:18] <alexicon> ok cheers
[12:19] <Mike2k6> anyone know a good c++ code application?
[12:19] <alexicon> kdevelop?
[12:19] <xsacha> g++ :)
[12:19] <alexicon> or eclipse
[12:19] <Mike2k6> so sudo apt-get eclipse?
[12:19] <alexicon> yeah
[12:19] <jende_> Mike2k6: apt-get install
[12:20] <Mike2k6> which one is more newbie friendly>?
[12:20] <Mike2k6> jende_, oh ya thanks lol
[12:20] <jende_> Mike2k6: kdevelop
[12:20] <xsacha> kdevelop is best noob friendly :P
[12:20] <Mike2k6> okies thanks!
[12:20] <alexicon> kdevelop is really nice
[12:20] <BuFF> how to view 'my computer' and other icons on desktop ?
[12:20] <xsacha> qtdesigner nice too, if you're designing qt apps
[12:21] <xsacha> my computer?
[12:21] <BuFF> yes and trash bin too
[12:21] <Mike2k6> BuFF, The closest thing to 'My Computer' Would be the 'System Menu'
[12:21] <xsacha> on the desktop... Create New->Link to Location
[12:21] <kaflan> does any1 texteditor (not wordproccessor) comes with default kubuntu install?
[12:22] <alexicon> click the desktop and create a lik to a device
[12:22] <Bubba_Gump> kate
[12:22] <kaflan> thx
[12:22] <alexicon> link*
[12:22] <BuFF> thanks
[12:22] <Mike2k6> kate and gedit?
[12:22] <kaflan> no gedit!
[12:22] <alexicon> kate++
[12:22] <Mike2k6> lol
[12:22] <kaflan> i cant found it
[12:22] <xsacha> you shouldnt have gedit
[12:22] <Mike2k6> eff gedit
[12:22] <Mike2k6> lol
[12:22] <alexicon> kwrite
[12:22] <kaflan> i cant found gedit
[12:22] <Bubba_Gump> kate is sexy :P
[12:22] <alexicon> but kate is brilliant
[12:22] <jende_> alexicon: check the link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-October/022037.html
[12:22] <alexicon> install gedit if you really want kaflan
[12:22] <xsacha> kaflan: you shouldnt have gedit lol
[12:22] <kaflan> no thx )
[12:22] <alexicon> thanks jende_
[12:25] <Mike2k6> ok frostwire just connected for no reason lol, yey!
[12:25] <Mike2k6> and then it freezes!
[12:26] <nino> lol guest what im still doing??
[12:26] <Mike2k6> nino, looking at porn?
[12:26] <nino> grinding away at making frostwire work :)
[12:27] <nino> where did you install your java sun from?
[12:27] <xsacha> sun-java5-jre he installed (from multiverse)
[12:28] <Lynoure> jende_: Have you done upgrades from the cd as well (apt-cdrom)? Those went well as well?
[12:28] <nino> sweet thx!!
[12:28] <jende_> Lynoure: nope
[12:28] <Mike2k6> nino, yeah what xsa said
[12:28] <xsacha> btw Mike2k6, xs <tab key> :)
[12:28] <jende_> Lynoure: nope; means I haven't used the CD
[12:28] <Mike2k6> xsacha, never!
[12:28] <Lynoure> jende_: ok, thanks
[12:29] <Mike2k6> im on xchat now n e ways :-p
[12:29] <xsacha> it doesnt work on xchat? ^o)
[12:29] <Mike2k6> yeah it does, but it puts a comma instead of a colon
[12:29] <xsacha> yeah
[12:29] <Mike2k6> i used to write irc scripts like 6 years ago
[12:30] <Mike2k6> i dont remember even the slightest thing now.
[12:31] <nino> dont have multiverse in my repositories!!!
[12:31] <Mike2k6> nino, add it!
[12:31] <jende_> nino: add it
[12:31] <xsacha> nino: check if you have sun-java5-jre
[12:32] <nino> nope
[12:32] <xsacha> ok
[12:32] <jende_> !sun-java5-jre
[12:32] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 7279 kB, installed size 16132 kB
[12:32] <xsacha> enable that multiverse one in sources.list, it has it
[12:32] <nino> nope it does not
[12:32] <houssem> please how to activate the "ls -l" ??
[12:33] <jende_> nino: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:33] <scheuri> houssem: by using the CLI (command line interface) which looks like DOS but is not...:)
[12:33] <nino> hold on
[12:33] <xsacha> im using default sources.list from an amd64 install and only adds repo for wine and beryl :P
[12:33] <xsacha> just enabled everything on default though
[12:33] <jende_> nino: then add to the universe lines the repo multiverse
[12:33] <houssem> scheuri: no there is a line to uncomment in a config file
[12:33] <jende_> nino: in addition to that you have to enable the repos by deleting the hashes <-#
[12:34] <houssem> scheuri: can you give the name of the file ?
[12:34] <scheuri> houssem: ah, sorry...."ls -l" is actually a command
[12:34] <scheuri> houssem: well, there are dozens of config files...which one you mean?
[12:34] <scheuri> houssem: "ls -l" is actually a command to list all files in a directory (using CLI)
[12:34] <houssem> scheuri: i don't know but the command is "ll"
[12:34] <houssem> (sorry)
[12:35] <SHRIKEE> question question :)
[12:35] <kaflan> does with edgy comes console text editor by default?
[12:35] <scheuri> houssem: "ll" is also a command to list all files in a directory...
[12:35] <SHRIKEE> Im trying to get kvpnc to work
[12:35] <xsacha> lol yes kaflan
[12:35] <xsacha> try kate
[12:35] <scheuri> kaflan: yes...vi(m) for example
[12:35] <jende_> kaflan: for sure *lol*
[12:35] <houssem> scheuri: yes but when i type it it's not reconized by my system
[12:35] <SHRIKEE> any vpn gurus here?
[12:35] <scheuri> houssem: where to you type it in?
[12:35] <Mike2k6> ok heres a good question
[12:35] <kaflan> lol, kate is not console editor
[12:35] <Mr_Pan> i have a problem with upgrade to 6.10. apt give me an error code (1) processing xfonts-intl-european_1.2.1-6 . any suggestions?
[12:36] <houssem> scheuri: in my console
[12:36] <oceanis> how to install games on kubuntu dapper from cd
[12:36] <oceanis> ??????
[12:36] <xsacha> vim then kaflan
[12:36] <Cyron> Try nano if you want a console based text editor that doesn't require you to learn another language to use :)
[12:36] <scheuri> houssem: but "ls -l" is recognised, right?
[12:36] <houssem> scheuri: yes of coursse
[12:36] <Mike2k6> i have a soundcard, however i also have a motherboard with built in audio, how do i disable the motherboard audio to make the sound card the primary, its wierd, some apps will play to the onboard and some to the sound card
[12:36] <scheuri> Cyron: you are sarcastic here...:)
[12:36] <kaflan> vim is for experts only :) i dont know how to work with them, i need some easy editor
[12:36] <jende_> brb...having lunch, now
[12:36] <nagyv> oceanis: did you searched adept? is the game you are looking for available there?
[12:36] <xsacha> kaflan: nano
[12:36] <houssem> Mike2k6: look in your BIOS
[12:36] <jende_> kaflan: there are man pages
[12:36] <Mike2k6> houssem, never!
[12:36] <jende_> kaflan: read them and they'll tell you heaps
[12:36] <Cyron> Never :)
[12:37] <oceanis> ?
[12:37] <houssem> Mike2k6: why ?
[12:37] <Mike2k6> houssem, bios = evil
[12:37] <nagyv> oceanis: why ?
[12:37] <scheuri> Mike2k6: well...how disabling on board sound in your BIOS? it is worth a try
[12:37] <kaflan> i try to read them, but vim is to hard editor, i dont want to spen lot of time in practice to use hotkeys
[12:37] <houssem> please anyone can tell me how to activate the option "ll" ???
[12:37] <jende_> kaflan: man vi
[12:37] <Mike2k6> scheuri, agreed
[12:37] <drowstar> hey! anybody here installed kubuntu and tried running gnome? i have a problem with gtk2-themes looking all weird and stuff ;) ie they don't seem to work at all, buttons a solid grey squares for example
[12:37] <xsacha> houssem: what is "ll" meant to do?
[12:37] <kaflan> nano rullez, vi md ;)
[12:37] <houssem> Mike2k6: oooh!! you have a very bad idea on the bios
[12:38] <oceanis> i want some to play :) when im compiling
[12:38] <houssem> xsacha: ll = ls -l
[12:38] <scheuri> aaaaaaaaahhh
[12:38] <Mike2k6> houssem, im kidding, i like my bios, very simple
[12:38] <houssem> it's a shourtcat
[12:38] <xsacha> oh an alias for it?
[12:38] <houssem> xsacha: yes exactely
[12:38] <scheuri> ll is an alias for ls -l...well then..
[12:38] <scheuri> :)
[12:38] <oceanis> how to install games on kubuntu dapper from cd
[12:38] <Mr_Pan> i have a problem with upgrade to 6.10. apt give me an error code (1) processing xfonts-intl-european_1.2.1-6 . any idea
[12:39] <xsacha> well, if you create the alias, then it will be recognised :)
[12:39] <nagyv> oceanis: which game do you want to install? did you already installed dapper?
[12:39] <oceanis> yes
[12:39] <oceanis> i installed dapper
[12:39] <oceanis> and if there is any game pack that installs 5 or 6 games it will be cool but remeber i want to install them from the cd if they got it
[12:40] <Mez> oceanis, not too sure but the package you should look for is kdegames
[12:40] <adam_> hi
[12:40] <nagyv> oceanis: I don't know the content of the cd, but try to search for "kdegames" in adept (the package manager)
[12:40] <Cyron> Hi adam_
[12:41] <scheuri> oceanis: if you have not disabled your CD-ROM as repository in sources.list then it will ask you about your CD anyway if you install new stuff (if it was on CD anyway=
[12:41] <adam_PL> how can i connect to quake.net ?
[12:43] <drowstar> I have installed ubuntu-desktop on a fresh Kubuntu edgy installation and gtk2-themes don't work (I get solid grey squares instead of buttons for example). any hints?
[12:44] <nagyv> drowstar: try #ubuntu
[12:44] <kaflan> how to make kdesu prompt for root password instead of the password of the invoking user? (i totally do sudo passwd root, and patch /etc/sudoers with rootpw argument).
[12:44] <xsacha> there is no root password kaflan
[12:44] <buschdieb> hi
[12:44] <xsacha> unless you made one?
[12:44] <buschdieb> hello
[12:45] <kaflan> i made it
[12:45] <kaflan> read my post more carefully
[12:45] <drowstar> nagyv: will do. thought kubuntu would be apropriate as that's obviously not a problem people that would show up on a clean ubuntu install. thanks though
[12:45] <buschdieb> i am a new ubuntu user.. i want to start firefox2 how?
[12:45] <buschdieb> please help me
[12:46] <Cyron> buschdieb: Press alt-f2, then type in firefox
[12:47] <buschdieb> ?
[12:47] <Cyron> That's how you run firefox
[12:48] <Cyron> Or were you wanting to install it?
[12:48] <xsacha> sudo apt-get install firefox && firefox :D
[12:48] <buschdieb> its the command line... my fire fox is unpacked
[12:48] <buschdieb> firefox
[12:48] <buschdieb> 2
[12:49] <eilker> people, i cant login with mu username and password, but it is ok, because i use it in console ,and no problem any idea?
[12:49] <nino> note : Adding multiverse to those universe lines worked!!! Installing java!!! ;)
[12:49] <Cyron> Unpacked?  You downloaded it from somewhere?
[12:49] <eilker> people, i cant login with my username and password, but it is ok, because i use it in console ,and no problem any idea?
[12:49] <Cyron> You don't need to do that
[12:49] <nagyv> actually I am using swiftfox (a CPU-optimized build of firefox), is it safe to upgrade the 1.5.6 version to version 2.0?
[12:49] <Cyron> Just use sudo aptitude install firefox
[12:49] <Mike2k6> night all
[12:49] <nino> peace
[12:50] <vincent_> Hi everyone
[12:50] <jel> swiftfox.   Hmmm.... oiledweasel? ;)
[12:50] <jel> hi vincent_
[12:50] <nino> hello
[12:50] <vincent_> I suppose #kubuntu is a channel about my new OS ? :)
[12:51] <nino> uhu
[12:51] <vincent_> Will I find some help here ?
[12:51] <nino> uhu
[12:51] <xsacha> !ask | vincent
[12:51] <ubotu> vincent: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:51] <Cyron> Depends how hard your questions are vincent :)
[12:52] <jende_> nino: have you made it and succeeded?
[12:52] <eilker> xsacha:  i cant login with my username and password, but it is ok, because i use it in console ,and no problem, do u have any idea for this?
[12:52] <jel> eilker: maybe you have capslock on in the X login screen (it's independent from the console screen's key settings).  Or... did you actually click in the box?  If it still doesn't work... what you  mean, by "can't log in"?
[12:52] <vincent_> but I have tons of questions :p But ok ok, here is my first one
[12:52] <houssem> anynone have tryed amule ???
[12:52] <nino> nope
[12:52] <jel> houssem: yep
[12:52] <eilker> jel: it doesnt accept my password
[12:52] <nagyv> jel: firefox started very sloowly, swiftfox is a bit better
[12:53] <vincent_> I have a prob to shutdown my computer. I uninstalled all the acpid and acpm stuffs, but it didn't solve the prob
[12:53] <houssem> jel: do you know the option that crypt the protocole ??
[12:53] <vincent_> I had a look on the config file where you find HALT=... and HALT=poweroff
[12:53] <eilker> jel: it keeps asking correct password, i added new user, same for it too
[12:53] <jel> nagyv: there's a bug in the c++ compiler which makes apps start slowly.  optimising won't help a lot.
[12:53] <jel> houssem: hmm... nope, never seen it :)
[12:53] <jel> houssem: why?
[12:54] <houssem> jel: this option exists in emule 0.47b but i haven't found it in amule :(
[12:54] <jel> nagyv: on the other hand, konqueror is very fast, and can be preloaded :)
[12:54] <vincent_> when I click on shutdown or reboot, everything close but the power remains on and I hear the fans in the computer ...
[12:54] <jel> houssem: ahh.
[12:55] <nagyv> jel: I was trying to stick with it, I was trying it so hard, but I miss some nifty extensions so much, that it was impossible
[12:55] <nino> mine says no poweroff fixup found your hardware found
[12:55] <jel> houssem: probably just a new thing that hasn't filtered through to other clients yet.  Or maybe the people who make the other clients think it's not really that useful, or that it doesn't work as advertised, or something.
[12:55] <jel> nagyv: :)
[12:55] <houssem> jel: it's the only soluton to download with emule when we have a provider that block the p2p
[12:55] <jel> your extensions will probably slow down loading a lot too.
[12:56] <jel> houssem: it's probably easier to set your client to use another port
[12:56] <houssem> jel: no it's not suffisent
[12:56] <jel> houssem: ahh, ok.  They're playing hardball :)
[12:57] <houssem> jel: yes :) lol
[12:57] <houssem> jel: they doesn't block ports but the protocole
[12:57] <jel> houssem: there is also xmule, and mldonkey...  one of those might support it.  amule is nicer, though :)
[12:57] <jel> houssem: giFT might also work?
[12:58] <houssem> jel: xmule ?? i don't know it
[12:58] <houssem> jel: there's a emule like ?
[12:58] <jel> houssem: similar to amule, but more ugly.  I'm not sure if it has more features, or less.  Never used it much.
[12:58] <scheuri> I just say "gtk-gnutella"...;)
[12:58] <jgomez_> hi
[12:58] <jel> xmule and mldonkey are both emule compatible, yes
[12:59] <jgomez_> just one quick question... how can I enable the root account in kubuntu?
[12:59] <jgomez_> of what is the default password for root?
[12:59] <houssem> jel: ok thanks for these informations i will try these clients
[12:59] <scheuri> jgomez_: the password for root is, easily spoken, disabled
[12:59] <jel> jgomez_: there is no default.  Instead, you use your same password to prove who YOU are, and then you're automatically allowed to be root.
[01:00] <jgomez_> but i would like doing su root
[01:00] <scheuri> jgomez_: it was generated at install time...and you dont know it...your user, however, has root-priviliges
[01:00] <SHRIKEE> !pastebin
[01:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:00] <scheuri> jgomez_: if you really wand to to so...then go to CLI and type "sudo passwd root"....
[01:00] <jel> jgomez_: then do sudo -s, and when you get a shell, add a root password using the passwd command.
[01:00] <jgomez_> scheuri: i have tried apt-get upgrade with my user and i cant
[01:01] <jgomez_> okey thansk
[01:01] <scheuri> jgomez_: well, you need to type "sudo" in front of a command that needs root proiviliges
[01:01] <jel> jgomez_: if you do sudo passwd root, remember that the first time it asks for a password, that's for YOUR password, to get root access.  Then, you enter a new root password
[01:01] <scheuri> jgomez_: but giving root a password...do at own risk
[01:02] <nagyv> !sudo
[01:02] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:02] <nagyv> jgomez_: ^^
[01:02] <jgomez_> thanks a lot
[01:02] <jel> anyone know if there are plans to move to a SSO config/directory service in ubuntu server?
[01:03] <jgomez_> it is strange but kubunto doesnt detect my video setting althoug it is an old one
[01:03] <jgomez_> i guess i should update
[01:05] <nagyv> jel: I would recommend to you to ask this question at #ubuntu, anyway that's closer to the core
[01:06] <jel> nagyv: good point, thanks
[01:08] <xsacha> anyone know what this means: QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image
[01:08] <xsacha> kwin tells me that, twice, when it starts
[01:08] <nino_> donno sorry
[01:11] <sloef> Hi guys ... had some difficulties with my wireless internet ... (I'm on wire now)
[01:12] <sloef> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29699/ ... can anyone see what is wrong with my sources.list? (I would like to upgrade to edgy)
[01:13] <sloef> http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/Release Unable to find expected entry  updates/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[01:13] <sloef> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/Release Unable to find expected entry  security/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[01:13] <momal> edgy -security <--
[01:13] <momal> take those spaces out
[01:13] <momal> should be like edgy-security
[01:14] <momal> same with the updates one... by the looks of it
[01:14] <sloef> momal: ok ... excellent ... thanks
[01:14] <momal> you were on dapper right?
[01:15] <sloef> momal: yes
[01:16] <momal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29711/ <-- that is my sources.list file... so if you still have problems try it :)
[01:17] <sloef> momal: thanks ... I'm upgrading right now (don't have sufficient diskspace for dist-upgrade atm)
[01:18] <houssem> jel: you are here ?
[01:18] <sloef> momal: do you often compile from source?
[01:18] <jel> houssem: just got back.
[01:18] <houssem> jel: i think that i found a better idea
[01:18] <jel> houssem: why for? :)
[01:19] <jel> houssem: ooh?
[01:19] <momal> not if there is a deb around for it i wont... but few things i have to
[01:19] <houssem> jel: i will use wine to run emule0.47 c on linux
[01:19] <jel> houssem: ahhh.  I thought the latest version was available for linux, but you just didn't want to use emule for some reason.  Yeah, that would work :)
[01:20] <houssem> jel: because there isn't any version of amule that support the protocole encryption
[01:20] <jel> houssem: or, rather, I suppose it work work, and if it does, it would solve your problem :)
[01:20] <houssem> jel: do you know how to activate the command "ll" ?
[01:21] <jel> houssem: the ls alternative?
[01:21] <houssem> jel: yes! ls -l
[01:21] <jel> houssem: it's in your .bashrc file if I recall correctly
[01:21] <jel> just uncomment
[01:21] <houssem> jel: where can i found it ?
[01:21] <jel> nano ~/.bashrc
[01:21] <jel> from a konsole :)
[01:22] <houssem> jel: ooh yeah! thanks you are the best ! :)
[01:22] <jel> houssem: welcome :)
[01:23] <SHRIKEE> !pastebin
[01:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:23] <SHRIKEE> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29713/
[01:23] <SHRIKEE> what does that mean?
[01:28] <jel> SHRIKEE: X has its own authorisation system which decides who can open windows on the screen.  If you can't, it usually means that you've switch to another user account, and your authorisation hasn't been transferred with you.  Are you using su by any chance?
[01:28] <SHRIKEE> i ran, sudo kvpnc
[01:29] <SHRIKEE> if i just click it in the menu it doesnt show at all, so i tried from the console and got that
[01:29] <jel> SHRIKEE: from an xtrminal like konsole, right?
[01:29] <SHRIKEE> konsole yes
[01:29] <nino_> how do i test if java is working??
[01:29] <jel> nino_: run a java program :)   java -v is a good start though :)
[01:30] <nino_> ok thx
[01:31] <jel> SHRIKEE: gimme a sec :)
[01:32] <SHRIKEE> kk
[01:36] <jel> SHRIKEE: ohh, it still runs right?   that's normal, when you run stuff as root.  I guess it's the KDE app trying to register itself with your kde session and stuff, but since it's not "you" running it, kde won't allow the registration
[01:37] <SHRIKEE> hmm
[01:37] <SHRIKEE> it starts yes
[01:37] <SHRIKEE> but not from the k-menu
[01:37] <SHRIKEE> it just does nothing when i click it in the k-menu
[01:38] <houssem> jel: i have another probleme :)
[01:38] <yuma> hi!
[01:38] <yuma> anyone is having trouble running OpenGL aplications?
[01:39] <yuma> like, Illegal Instruction when going fullscreen and so?
[01:39] <SHRIKEE> didnt notice such, yuma
[01:39] <SHRIKEE> but im not using to much opengl
[01:39] <jel> SHRIKEE: if you right click on the menu, you can see what commands it runs.  Try that same command from a konsole
[01:39] <houssem> i tried to lunch emule with wine and i have this message "Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly."
[01:40] <yuma> hmm, I had some programs that used to work and now it doesn't and I didn't changed a thing in the code...
[01:40] <jel> yuma: nope.  Illegal instruction suggests that the app/game you're trying to run is compiled for a different cpu, like an athlon/pentium4
[01:40] <SHRIKEE> jel: sudo -X -c /usr/bin/kvpnc
[01:40] <yuma> houssem: DISPLAY=:0 wine whatever
[01:40] <yuma> jel: Impossible, it's compiled by me in the same computer
[01:40] <SHRIKEE> tells me -X is illegal
[01:40] <houssem> yuma: i don't understand :(
[01:41] <jel> SHRIKEE: yep, doesn't work with my version of sudo either.  Remove the -X, and it should work
[01:41] <yuma> houssem: Put 'DISPLAY=:0' before the command you use to run emule
[01:41] <SHRIKEE> it then tells me -c is illegal :o
[01:41] <SHRIKEE> remove that too?
[01:41] <jel> yep :)
[01:41] <fdoving> SHRIKEE: run 'xhost local:' first (without sudo). then try again.
[01:42] <snikker> cat work also with binary files?
[01:42] <jel> fdoving: no, it works, it's just the command that's wrong.
[01:42] <houssem> yuma: i type DISPLAY=:0 in my console ??
[01:42] <SHRIKEE> sudo /usr/bin/kvpnc
[01:42] <SHRIKEE> works
[01:42] <SHRIKEE> shrikee@shrikee-laptop:~$ xhost local
[01:42] <SHRIKEE> local being added to access control list
[01:42] <fdoving> SHRIKEE: you left out the : at the end.
[01:43] <SHRIKEE> :(
[01:43] <fdoving> SHRIKEE: 'xhost -local' and then 'xhost local:'
[01:43] <jel> SHRIKEE: I'd guess it was originally made for a debian or other system, which uses root, and su rather than sudo, and then they just changed su to sudo, without changing the args
[01:43] <yuma> houssem: Yes, put "DISPLAY=:0 wine emule" for example, without the "
[01:43] <SHRIKEE> shrikee@shrikee-laptop:~$ xhost local:
[01:43] <SHRIKEE> non-network local connections being added to access cont
[01:43] <jel> I think xhost local: is a security risk.
[01:43] <SHRIKEE> how is it?
[01:43] <SHRIKEE> what does it do :o
[01:43] <fdoving> allows all local users to connect to your X session.
[01:44] <jel> I don't know the command well, but... doesn't it let anyone on localhost use X?
[01:44] <jel> yeah.
[01:44] <houssem> yuma: don't work! i have the error message
[01:44] <jel> that's not good :)
[01:44] <fdoving> basically allows other users on your machine to show their programs to you.
[01:44] <jel> or anyone with any account on your machine to access your screen, and everything you type/see
[01:44] <yuma> houssem: Why don't you use a native linux emule client?
[01:45] <SHRIKEE> hmm, there are no other users on this computer
[01:45] <SHRIKEE> its a laptop :p
[01:45] <fdoving> exactly.
[01:45] <yuma> SHRIKEE: maybe "nobody" can log your keyboard
[01:45] <fdoving> then it's not a problem.
[01:45] <jel> SHRIKEE: there are.  There are special accounts for background services etc.  Quite a few of them.  If any part of your system is hacked, then they can get into your screen next
[01:45] <SHRIKEE> ahh ok
[01:45] <fdoving> jel: nonsense.
[01:45] <jel> SHRIKEE: the normal security setup is there for a reason.
[01:46] <jel> fdoving: no it's not.  I'm qualified in security, are you?
[01:46] <MidMark> hi again
[01:46] <SHRIKEE> so is local: a risk or not
[01:46] <MidMark> I've problem with k3b!
[01:46] <SHRIKEE> keep or remove?
[01:46] <MidMark> it doesn't close session...
[01:46] <MidMark> anyone else?
[01:46] <jel> MidMark: there's a setting in the prefs for that.
[01:46] <fdoving> jel: if the computer is hacked it's hacked. the badguy can do worse things than accessing your X screen.
[01:46] <jel> fdoving: wrong.
[01:46] <SHRIKEE> ...
[01:47] <jel> fdoving: maybe on a windows 95 pc, that's true, not on any reasonably secure multi-user system
[01:47] <yuma> this is getting interesting
[01:47] <MidMark> jel: do you mean when burning?
[01:48] <jel> fdoving: now, if it's ROOTED, they can do anything, but that's a different class of hack, and usually the result of a simpler hack
[01:48] <sloef> Am I still connected?
[01:48] <jende_> sloef: yep
[01:48] <jel> MidMark: If you right click on the root of the disk you're creating, it might be in tehre.
[01:48] <jel> there.
[01:49] <jel> MidMark: ie, right-click, choose properties, then go through the tabs, and look for something like "close session" or "finalise session".
[01:49] <sloef> jende_: k ... Konqueror doesn't work anymore during the upgrade ...
[01:49] <sloef> Thought konversation would have the same faith
[01:49] <MidMark> jel: in the write option there is incremental, dao, auto
[01:50] <MidMark> and overwrite... choose auto
[01:50] <xunix_> help.. can i change my desktop resolution?
[01:51] <exhale> um. yea?
[01:51] <jel> xunix_: yes, just go into the system settings, and it's available under display
[01:52] <jel> xunix: unless you have a very unusual or poorly supported graphics card
[01:52] <yuma> could anyone try a program just to check if going fullscreen works?
[01:53] <xunix> jel: yup.. ty..
[01:53] <yuma> I give the code (or binary if you trust)
[01:53] <jel> MidMark: it's under the "Settings" tab, in a combo box.
[01:53] <jende_> sloef: since or during?
[01:54] <ubuntu> Sie hi
[01:54] <ubuntu> main kapitane
[01:54] <jel> xunix: welcome :)
[01:54] <ubuntu> ich bin gitler
[01:54] <sloef> jende_: during ... but also since (although I did an apt-get upgrade since I didn't have sufficient diskspace for dist-upgrade)
[01:54] <MidMark> jel: so I've done with start new session
[01:54] <ubuntu> ich komme aus Deutschland
[01:54] <MidMark> but it doesn't close
[01:54] <ubuntu> ich bin fucking your fucking chat
[01:55] <ubuntu> motherfuckers
[01:55] <ubuntu> idiots
[01:55] <exhale> ...
[01:55] <ubuntu> h1
[01:55] <exhale> i hate trolls
[01:55] <ubuntu> sorry
[01:55] <jende_> sloef: you have to make a dist-upgrade, otherwise your system will be more than just unstable
[01:55] <sloef> jende_: working on that as we speak ... as I said ... didn't have sufficient diskspace to do a dist-upgrade from the start
[01:55] <jende_> sloef: no wonder konqueror is not working
[01:56] <jende_> sloef: as long as you havent made a dist-upgrade konqi wont work
[01:56] <MidMark> jel: there isn't close session, there are: start new session, continue, close disc, no session...
[01:57] <sloef> jende_: give me 6 more minutes to download ...
[01:57] <MidMark> if I put star new session should be close or not?
[01:57] <sloef> :)
[01:57] <jende_> sloef: no worries
[01:57] <jel> MidMark: ohh, I was thinking you wanted close disc.   Sessions are always closed, but then continued... aren't they?
[01:58] <MidMark> jel: with dapper all ok, with edgy I've burned two dvd, one dvd-r and one dvd+rw and both have the first session non-closed, after added some data I can see both sessions
[01:58] <MidMark> this can let me think that first session were not closed and with the second one both are
[01:59] <harmental> does anybody know how to use ggz servers??
[02:00] <MidMark> fdoving: if you have priviledges change topic: s/Dapper/Esgy
[02:00] <MidMark> Edgy :)
[02:01] <MidMark> jel: have you tried some dvd with edgy?
[02:01] <MidMark> great!
[02:02] <fdoving> MidMark: thanks for the notice :)
[02:02] <jel> MidMark: hmm... maybe one of the options has changed in the programs that k3b calls or something.  You could check the manpages for them, and make sure k3b is using the right settings.  If it's a rare thing, then to close a session, you can just add any small file, and write it.
[02:02] <kimmern> Hey! I just installed Kubuntu edgy a couple of days ago..never used linux before..an usually 3-4 times a day the system just hangs! can't do anything! I've got a copy of a somekind of loop in the sys-log..pastebin doesn't work, I don't wanna flood the channel, so if anyone wants to take a look at it, if that can be the problem, please let me know! Thanks!
[02:02] <jel> MidMark: yes, but not a fresh edgy install... I've been following edgy's development for a while now.  Could be very slightly different.
[02:03] <MidMark> jel: I've a dapper updated edgy
[02:04] <MidMark> kimmern: !paste
[02:04] <jende_> kimmern: hmmm...pastebin should work, at least it worked just a few secs ago
[02:04] <MidMark> !paste
[02:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:05] <aweb> Hi all, ive been haveing a problem with the nvidia driver - http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=10552.0 anyone got any ideas ?
[02:06] <kimmern> jende: waited five minutes, and nothing happends...
[02:07] <kimmern> jende: now firefox wanted me to save a pastebin.php file..can't open it in firefox..:S
[02:07] <fdoving> jel: if you don't want to allow all local connections you can use 'xhost +si:$(whoami):root' then the intruders would have to become you, or root to connect to the x-server. That's if you're paranoid.
[02:08] <jende_> kimmern: maybe you should have started with DapperDrake as that is the most stable (K)Ubuntu release.Eventhough I just cant really follow you
[02:09] <kimmern> ok, i found another place to paste..the thing is that I am connected wireless at eth1..http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/232639
[02:09] <jel> fdoving: one man's paranoia is another man's necessary precaution.   I'll stick with the usual way.
[02:09] <kimmern> but in my sys log it constantly tries to connect to eth0..every minute almost..
[02:09] <fdoving> jel: the kubutu way would be to use 'kdesu' for X programs.
[02:10] <houssem> i have installed avifile-player but i don't how to execute it
[02:10] <jende_> kimmern: the way you're connected is not important for paste.ubuntu, however what tells you a 'sudo route'
[02:11] <jel> fdoving: that's a good point :)
[02:11] <jende_> kimmern: pastebin that as well pleasse and if possible your /etc/network/interfaces
[02:11] <jel> fdoving: I was checking with a command line, but for the menu thing, I should have told him to use kdesud
[02:12] <jel> *kdesu
[02:12] <kimmern> jende: http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/232647
[02:12] <fdoving> jel: as all x programs will require X, using kdesu shouldn't be a problem for most, and kdesu can be used from the commandline (you will have to input the password graphically though.)
[02:13] <houssem> i have installed avifile-player but i don't how to execute it
[02:13] <houssem> ????
[02:13] <jel> fdoving: sure, but for a command line, kdesu is unnecessarily slow.  I like guis as much as anyone, but I find kdesu from the prompt tedious
[02:14] <kimmern> jende: didn't see the last one..this is everyting you asked for:
[02:14] <kimmern> http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/232649
[02:14] <jel> houssem: aviplay, if I remember correctly.  A good way to find out such things is with dpkg -L avifile-player | grep bin
[02:15] <fdoving> jel: the command I gave you before was wrong, should be 'xhost +si:localuser:root' fyi.
[02:16] <jende_> kimmern: hmmm...can you manually connect to the WWW via eth0?
[02:16] <jel> fdoving: OK, thanks :)
[02:16] <jende_> kimmern: sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.2.111
[02:17] <jende_> kimmern: sudo add default gw <ipofyourrouter>
[02:17] <jende_> kimmern: sudo route
[02:17] <houssem> jel: i have this error "aviplay: cannot connect to X server :0.0" when i lunch avifile
[02:17] <jende_> kimmern whats the output?
[02:17] <jel> fdoving: hmm... you can add kerberos users and stuff with xhost?  That's cool :)
[02:17] <fdoving> you can do everything x-acl-related with xhost.
[02:18] <jel> houssem: where are you running it from?
[02:18] <houssem> from the console
[02:18] <jel> fdoving: cool.  I figured it was just for machines.  That's good to know :)
[02:18] <kimmern> jende: no, I don't use eth0 at all...eth0 is wired network, and if I plug in a cabel it automaticly connects..but I only use wireless..the only output on the last one is add: command not found...you understood that I was only wondering why my system hangs all the time..if this could be the reason? that it always try to connect to eth0...?
[02:19] <jende_> kimmern: yep, that will/might be the reason
[02:19] <jel> houssem: that's strange.  Are you running it as root?
[02:20] <jende_> kimmern: so, you basically dont want to use the eth0 at all?
[02:20] <houssem> jel: i lunched it from x and it works !!
[02:20] <pointwood> what is the command in linux for the windows "ipconfig /renew" command and others? is there a linux network troubleshooting guide somewhere?
[02:20] <jel> houssem: good stuff :)
[02:21] <jel> pointwood: ifdown interface; ifup interface is the best way to reset a nic.   or /etc/init.d/network restart for everything.
[02:22] <jel> pointwood: the DIRECT way is dhclient interface, but that might not setup everything like the system normally would on boot
[02:22] <kimmern> jende: updated the pastebin: http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/232657 ..I want to have eth0 in case I have to use wired network, so I don't want to disable it..
[02:22] <jende_> kimmern: ???
[02:23] <kimmern> jende: maybe sudo ifconfig eth0 down ..? think that could work?
[02:24] <pointwood> jel: ok, the reason is that I currently have wimax connection and it is not exactly stable which means that I sometimes get an apipa address
[02:24] <jende_> kimmern: down the eth0
[02:24] <jel> pointwood: ahh.   Yeah ifdown followed by ifup would be simplest.
[02:25] <pointwood> I've used ifdown interface and ifup interface and also ifconfig interface down/up, but they don't always do the trick
[02:25] <kimmern> jende: i'll just try this and hope the system won't crash again..
[02:25] <pointwood> a reboot works though
[02:25] <jende_> kimmern and have a look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wlassistant/+bug/64841
[02:25] <pointwood> but I hate having to reboot just for that :)
[02:25] <jel> pointwood: you're probably seeing it work after boot because boots take longer, and the bad conditions have gone away by then.
[02:26] <pointwood> maybe
[02:26] <kimmern> jende: ok. many thanks for helping!
[02:26] <pointwood> this wimax connection is just temporary
[02:26] <jende_> kimmern: you're welcome...don't even know if I was of any good help
[02:26] <pointwood> I should get a new connection before christmas
[02:27] <jel> pointwood: a better (directional?) antenna or moving the access point closer might be a better solution
[02:27] <kimmern> jende: at least you tried :)
[02:27] <jel> pointwood: cool.
[02:27] <jende_> kimmern: *ggg*
[02:27] <jende_> see ya
[02:27] <pointwood> jel: fiber :)
[02:28] <jel> pointwood: sweet :D
[02:29] <pointwood> jel: you bet :D cheap 10/10mbit will be quite nice I think :)
[02:31] <Emess> mmm kaffeine still wont open :S
[02:31] <jel> pointwood: how cheap, and how far?
[02:32] <pointwood> around $63/month
[02:32] <pointwood> how far?
[02:32] <|lostbyte|> XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode ?
[02:32] <|lostbyte|> what is this ?
[02:32] <pointwood> what do you mean with that?
[02:33] <|lostbyte|> When i run xawtv, i get "X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode"
[02:36] <|lostbyte|> !nvidia
[02:36] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:36] <psb154> xawtv -nodga I believe should work.
[02:36] <jel> kimmern: I'm just catching up with your problem now... you have a wireless card, and just want to stop eth0 trying to connect unless you actually need it?
[02:37] <jel> pointwood: I meant, how far is your isp from you?
[02:38] <kimmern> jel: excactly!
[02:38] <kimmern> jel: tried sudo ifconfig eth0 down, but it still tries to connect..
[02:39] <jel> kimmern: just edit /etc/network/interfaces, and remove the "auto eth0" line.    When you want it on, run sudo ifup eth0, and when you want it down, run sudo ifdown eth0
[02:39] <jel> kimmern: ermm... that's assuming that things haven't changed too much with edgy :)
[02:40] <pointwood> jel: it is the power company that's laying down fiber to everyone that wants it. They own the fiber and another company is providing the services (internet, tv, voip). several power companies have started laying down fiber all over the country (here in denmark). The old telecom monopoly is of course not happy about that :)
[02:40] <jel> pointwood: nice :)
[02:40] <snikker> i've update to edgy but in the boot screen i can't see the text lines, i can see only the kubuntu logo. why?
[02:40] <kimmern> jel: oki! hope this'll work!
[02:40] <jel> snikker: you're not supposed to, but if you remove usplash, that'll stop.
[02:41] <jel> snikker: you can still ctrl-alt-f1 to a console though
[02:41] <pointwood> jel: yeah, it certainly lowers the prices :) I could get 25/25mbit too, but it would cost me ~$30 more and I think I will be able to live with 10/10 for now :)
[02:41] <jel> kimmern: good luck :)
[02:41] <jel> pointwood: hehheh :)
[02:41] <jel> pointwood: that's a lot of downloads ;)
[02:41] <bianconeri> I get this error in audacity  "error while opening sound device. Please check the output device settings and the project sample rate" when clicking on the play button of an mp3....I am on a Kubuntu Edgy box
[02:42] <pointwood> 25/25 would just be bragging :p
[02:42] <jel> give the webservers a chance to catch up ;)
[02:42] <kimmern> jel: if you're still here in a couple of minutes i'll let you know what the syslog says!
[02:42] <pointwood> jel: compared to my current temp wimax connection of 160/128, it will be quite a change :)
[02:42] <jel> kimmern: that reminds me, I'm supposed to be going somewhere! :)
[02:43] <snikker> jel: but it's only a my problem or the developer havechanced it?
[02:43] <kimmern> jel: did't work that either..but thanks anyway:)
[02:43] <pointwood> I'm going to give the connection a nice burn in with some kubuntu and ubuntu torrents :p
[02:43] <jel> snikker: nope, it's the new, non-confusing boot screen for newbies :)
[02:43] <bianconeri> I get this error in audacity "error while opening sound device. Please check the output device settings and the project sample rate" when clicking on the play button of an mp3....I am on a Kubuntu Edgy box...anybody?
[02:43] <jel> pointwood: yesh, those are the torrents I would download too ;)
[02:44] <snikker> jel: ah, ok...
[02:44] <snikker> jel: and there is a way to get it as in dapper?
[02:44] <jel> bianconeri: try pkill -9 arts from a konsole, and then open audacity right after
[02:45] <jel> snikker: graphical, but with textual info?  I'm not sure.  That would be nice.
[02:46] <jel> snikker: it does lots of boot stuff in parallel now, so it's probably harder to say "right now, I'm doing X".  I guess they'll work on that though.
[02:46] <gsuveg> anyone use kblogger ?
[02:46] <bianconeri> jel: Nope didnt work same error
[02:46] <snikker> jel: well, in the dapper i had the kubuntu logo and the text line for init operations...
[02:46] <gsuveg> or other blogger app for kde ?
[02:46] <jel> bianconeri: hmm... do you have a soundcard installed?  Have you heard any sounds so far?
[02:47] <bianconeri> lol ya of course:D
[02:47] <bianconeri> been pumping that Amarok for ages;)
[02:47] <jel> bianconeri: just eliminating possibilities one at a time :)
[02:47] <jel> bianconeri: any gnome apps?
[02:47] <jel> is amarok running now?
[02:48] <bianconeri> ya i understand....installed kubuntu a couple of days ago...been on gnome for ages...
[02:48] <bianconeri> sound is running perfectly, amarok, kopete, ff2 all
[02:48] <houssem> how to modify my local ip ?? wich file to edit ?
[02:48] <houssem> how to modify my local ip ?? wich file to edit ?
[02:49] <jel> hmm... OK... well, look in the preferences for audacity, and see what the output device is set to, if anything.  Normally it's fine and just picks the first device though.
[02:49] <houssem> how to modify my local ip ?? wich file to edit ?
[02:49] <Kabal> (n00b question)
[02:49] <Kabal> I'm trying to delete thumbs in the ./thumbnails
[02:49] <Kabal> rm *.png does not work
[02:49] <Kabal> it says: Argument list too long
[02:49] <Kabal> How can I solve this?
[02:49] <bianconeri> jel: in I/O I got /dev/dsp...its the only choice though
[02:50] <kimmern> Kabal: try sudo rm -rf *.png
[02:50] <seaLne> kabel "for i in *.png; do rm $i;done"
[02:51] <seaLne> kimmern: that won't make any difference
[02:51] <houssem> how to modify my local ip on my LAN ?? wich file to edit ?
[02:51] <seaLne> sudo is not the answer to all problems :P
[02:51] <kimmern> ok :p
[02:51] <seaLne> :)
[02:51] <bianconeri> jel?
[02:52] <Kabal> kimmern: that doesn't work either
[02:52] <kimmern> Kabal: try seaLne's answer ;)
[02:52] <jel> bianconeri: all I can think of is a more extensive kill of other stuff: unload amarok etc, and run pkill -9 for alsa, esd, and jackd
[02:53] <Kabal> seaLne: don't understand the command
[02:53] <seaLne> type/paste that without the quotes
[02:53] <seaLne> ";" is equivalent to pressing return
[02:53] <seaLne> for i in *.png
[02:54] <seaLne> do
[02:54] <seaLne> rm $i
[02:54] <seaLne> done
[02:54] <seaLne> because you have so many files you can try deleting each of them in turn in a loop
[02:54] <Kabal> seaLne: 100% CPU now hehe
[02:55] <Kabal> seaLne: thanx for the explanation
[02:58] <terralox> hi @all
[02:58] <Kabal> seaLne: can it take hours to delete 4Gb of thumbs?
[02:59] <prj> no
[02:59] <seaLne> it can take a long time
[02:59] <Kabal> ok thnx
[02:59] <ugn> hallo an alle
[03:00] <kraut_> for those who have problems to starting vmware after dist-upgrade to ubuntu/edgy: http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?messageID=499317
[03:01] <ugn> i've a problem with aixgl and derel
[03:02] <Emess> anyone know where the thing for controlloingnwether the windows on one desktop are in all taskbars or not is?
[03:02] <ugn> does anyone have expereances with that?
[03:03] <Emess> derel? no
[03:03] <ugn> deryl :)
[03:03] <seaLne> Emess: right click on the taskbar (panel menu) configure panel, taskbar, untick show windows from all screens
[03:04] <seaLne> or tick depending on wat you want
[03:04] <ugn> i install the radeon dreiver for my ati 9600 and it seams to work
[03:04] <livingdaylight> someone gave me a .deb file for W32 yesterday.. I need it again... :| anyone have it handy?
[03:04] <ugn> so i installed deryl (on edgy)
[03:05] <ugn> before i did a reboot it worked fine
[03:05] <ugn> bunt after reboot edgy doesnt come up
[03:05] <ugn> freez at the time kde should start
[03:05] <ugn> anyone ideas?
[03:07] <terralox> running on edgy since weekend. few probs so far. annoying : kubuntu overwrites LD_LIBRARY_PATH and ld ignores ld.conf.so settings anyway.  solutions  ?
[03:08] <BluesKaj> Can anyone tell me how to get rid of the previously used kernels listed in the boot page ?
[03:08] <shan`> i keep getting dcd frequently
[03:08] <shan`> :/
[03:08] <miefquirl> hmm
[03:08] <blizzz> BluesKaj: dpkg -i <kernel>
[03:08] <thyko> how do i turn on default syntax higlighting on emacs?
[03:08] <BluesKaj> i just want Edgy and windows partitions to show
[03:09] <BluesKaj> blizzz, will that command give me a list of options ?
[03:10] <blizzz> you have to replace <kernel> with the kernels name you want to remove. it is going to be deinstalled then.
[03:11] <BluesKaj> ok, thx
[03:11] <blizzz> i think you get a list of names when you type the first letters and then press tab
[03:14] <claudio> hi
[03:15] <claudio> when I try to see an mpeg files, kaffeine give me an error
[03:15] <claudio> ir32_32.dll not found
[03:15] <claudio> what can do?
[03:15] <claudio> what i can do?
[03:18] <blizzz> claudio: are libxine-extracodecs installed??
[03:18] <claudio> blizzz: i don't think
[03:18] <blizzz> try it ;)
[03:20] <claudio> blizzz: what repository i must activate to download that pack?
[03:21] <blizzz> cluadio: multiverse
[03:21] <claudio> blizzz: on what server?
[03:22] <blizzz> it must be one of the official repos, but i do not exactly know which
[03:22] <Jucato> !multiverse | claudio
[03:22] <ubotu> claudio: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:23] <claudio> blizzz: to update cache?
[03:24] <blizzz> claudio: as i see now, i think i named you the wrong package. it is for playing mp3. instead you should try w32codecs and/or gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[03:24] <admin__> quit
[03:25] <Jucato> blizzz: libxine-extracodecs also covers mpeg as well, iirc
[03:25] <claudio> blizzz: i modified sources.list
[03:25] <BluesKaj> is there an editor for the bootlist that actually works  or am doing something wrong when using the edit optins ..the delete command "d" is supposed to remove lines in the bootloader, and the listed kernels aren't even installed, but the bootloader insists on listing them
[03:25] <blizzz> jucato: thanks
[03:25] <claudio> blizzz: i modified /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:25] <blizzz> claudio: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[03:26] <Kubuntu> Hello I'm having a problem updating
[03:28] <ironfroggy> is anyone using Kopete with an AIM account here?
[03:28] <DaSkreech> good morning nikkiana
[03:28] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: I am
[03:28] <nikkiana> morning DaSkreech
[03:28] <fdoving> ironfroggy: problems connecting?
[03:28] <ironfroggy> DaSkreech: any trouble recently?\
[03:28] <ironfroggy> fdoving: yes
[03:29] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: Every day since I installed it in Feb
[03:29] <ironfroggy> DaSkreech: i havent had any problems until yesterday
[03:29] <ironfroggy> just continually tries to connect, but never does.
[03:29] <fdoving> ironfroggy: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/ - pick the version that matches your setup.
[03:29] <Kubuntu> What should I do If I can't update?
[03:29] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: How are you?
[03:30] <Jucato> !upgrade | Kubuntu
[03:30] <ubotu> Kubuntu: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[03:30] <Kubuntu> Jucato: That's upgrading I mean updating
[03:31] <Kubuntu> Ubuntu 6.10 \n \l
[03:31] <Kubuntu> That's my /etc/issue :)
[03:31] <Jucato> Kubuntu: updating? as in sudo apt-get update only?
[03:31] <Kubuntu> Yes
[03:31] <Jucato> what's the problem?
[03:31] <nikkiana> DaSkreech: not too shabby :)
[03:32] <Kubuntu> !paste
[03:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:32] <Digital_Pioneer> Hi. I need something like modprobe.conf....
[03:32] <Digital_Pioneer> But I can't find a file of that name.
[03:33] <Digital_Pioneer> Is it the same as /etc/modprobe.d/options?
[03:33] <Kubuntu> Jucato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29728/plain/
[03:33] <ironfroggy> fdoving: can you tell me what that update actually does? looks like its a fix to the problem of not properly failing to connect.
[03:33] <jel> Digital_Pioneer: possibly; not sure.
[03:33] <jel> Digital_Pioneer: try it and see :)
[03:33] <manchicken> So all of my silly wifi problems were simply me overengineering the problem.
[03:33] <fdoving> ironfroggy: yes, the problem is that the OSCAR servers have changed.
[03:33] <manchicken> bcm43xx-fwcutter did the job, and did it well.
[03:33] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: What version are you using?
[03:34] <Digital_Pioneer> jel: Well, are you familiar with what goes into /etc/modprobe.d/options?
[03:34] <fdoving> ironfroggy: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/69494 for more info.
[03:34] <ironfroggy> fdoving: ok thanks
[03:34] <ironfroggy> DaSkreech: whatever is latest in apt
[03:34] <Jucato> Kubuntu: hm... strange error, and one that I'm not familiar with... I wonder if fdoving can help..
[03:34] <Kubuntu> hi fdoving :)
[03:34] <jel> Digital_Pioneer: actually, looking at it, yes, it looks the same
[03:34] <fdoving> I can't help you right now, sorry. I have to go.
[03:35] <Jucato> aw...
[03:35] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: Which apt ?
[03:35] <Digital_Pioneer> jel: Good. Perhaps you can tell me exactly what this other guy was saying... He told me to put something into modprobe.conf....
[03:35] <DaSkreech> Dapper or edgy?
[03:35] <fdoving> Kubuntu, jucato check that the source.list doesn't contain multiple instances of any repository.
[03:36] <Jucato> fdoving: ah so that happens when you have multiple instances?
[03:36] <Jucato> Kubuntu: you heard that. pastebin your sources.list please :)
[03:36] <fdoving> Jucato: i think i've seen that before, yes. It's my first guess.
[03:36] <fdoving> Have to go now, hope you figure it out.
[03:36] <fdoving> bye.
[03:36] <Jucato> fdoving: ok thanks. bye! :)
[03:36] <Kubuntu> Jucato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29729/plain/
[03:36] <Kubuntu> bye
[03:37] <jel> Kubuntu: try just doing sudo apt-get update again
[03:37] <Kubuntu> jel: I tried that a couple times
[03:37] <Jucato> Kubuntu: not exactly sure if it has anything to do with it, but there's a blank space at the start of the universe multiverse line...
[03:38] <Jucato> Kubuntu: if removing that blank space doesn't work, try using a different mirror/server
[03:38] <Kubuntu> Lets try that
[03:38] <jel> Kubuntu: with much delay in-between?  Just, it could be that the file was being updated as you downloaded it, and so it wasn't valid for a short while.
[03:38] <fdoving> Kubuntu, jucato, you can also try to clean /var/lib/apt - now i'm really gone. Bye.
[03:38] <Jucato> bye!
[03:38] <pancho> Hi. Any help on playing mp3s on edgy 64?
[03:39] <DaSkreech> pancho: tried installing libxine-extracodecs ?
[03:39] <Jucato> Kubuntu: try "sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoclean" then update again
[03:39] <rhodri> hi does anyone know a way of creating a device node for an iso image?
[03:39] <jel> rhodri: you don't need to.  use mount -o loop
[03:40] <Jucato> whoa! the first update since release!!
[03:40] <rhodri> i don't want to mount it like that, i want the iso to act like a device node... can i do that?  (if that even makes sense...)
[03:40] <Kubuntu> Jucato, jel: between the two of you thanks. Something worked
[03:40] <Jucato> lol! no problem
[03:41] <DaSkreech> Hi aseigo. Sup?
[03:42] <Kubuntu> Jucato: While I was updating :-P
[03:42] <jel> Kubuntu: probably mostly Jucato, but you're welcome :)
[03:43] <DaSkreech> aseigo: partied hardy?
[03:44] <aseigo> dammit. i wish updates showed the -reason- for the update in adept. grrr
[03:44] <pancho> DaSkreech: where can I find it. I read about it but could not find it.
[03:44] <aseigo> DaSkreech: no, took the boy out trick or treating
[03:45] <Jucato> aseigo: yeah...
[03:45] <admkill> algum br?
[03:45] <Jucato> the "Show Details" isn't pretty detailed
[03:45] <rhodri> hi does anyone know a way of creating a device node for an iso image?
[03:45] <admkill> :)
[03:45] <admkill> :(
[03:46] <DaSkreech> !multiverse > pancho
[03:46] <aseigo> well, at least the sky2 driver is still totally screwed in edgy =(
[03:46] <DaSkreech> aseigo: Well adept is currently unmaintained:-) Wanna patch it?
[03:46] <admkill> plis help me brazil
[03:46] <DaSkreech> !br
[03:46] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[03:47] <DaSkreech> Jucato, aseigo: I think that it's pretty simple as well. It simply doesnt currently pull from changelogs.ubuntu.com (or org)
[03:48] <Jucato> DaSkreech: yeah.. it needs a lot of work. Adept I mean...
[03:49] <DaSkreech> Jucato: What's the list you have for the shortcomings adept is adept at?
[03:49] <Kubuntu> anyone ever rebuilt a NTFS MFT?
[03:49] <pancho> DaSkreech: sorry, kind of newbie, ?_? @ '!multiverse > pancho'
[03:49] <Jucato> DaSkreech: huh?
[03:49] <DaSkreech> !multiverse | pancho
[03:49] <ubotu> pancho: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:49] <Jucato> pancho: you were sent a link/URL for a guide
[03:49] <Jucato> oh there
[03:50] <pancho> I know
[03:50] <jel> Kubuntu: mft?  is that like the filesystem's directory structure or something?
[03:50] <DaSkreech> Jucato: You said that it is not adept. so you obviously think it has shortcomings. :) What are the shortcomings of Adept?
[03:50] <pancho> jucato: I know, I Read it. Its about the repositories.
[03:50] <DaSkreech> pancho: did You read the multiverse section ?
[03:50] <DaSkreech> pancho: do you have Multiverse enabled?
[03:52] <DaSkreech> HI Mez
[03:52] <pancho> DaSkreech: Yes sr. I have, and I have enabled all multiverse. Was that correct?
[03:52] <Mez> hi DaSkreech #
[03:52] <Jucato> DaSkreech: let's start with an almost horrible UI (at least not for your regular or new user). Then there's the inability to handle some ncurses-based dialog boxes like the License Agreement of Java, Flash, and VMWare. I think I made a list of it somewhere in the forums...
[03:52] <DaSkreech> pancho: did you type it in yourself?
[03:53] <Jucato> hi Mez!
[03:53] <DaSkreech> pancho: or did you just enable a line that said multiverse?
[03:53] <Mez> ] hi Jucato
[03:53] <Mez> beryl doesnt like me
[03:53] <Jucato> beryl doesn't like a lot of people :)
[03:53] <pancho> DaSkreech: Yes sr. I just enabled it.
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I think that the ncurses thing is solved if you install the recommended packages for adept
[03:54] <Jucato> DaSkreech: more than the packages installed by default? that should not be the case then
[03:54] <DaSkreech> pancho: Ok look for a line that reads to the tune of deb http://jm.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[03:54] <manchicken> Okay, so in order to use flash9, I have to use firefox in 32-bit.
[03:55] <jel> manchicken: nope
[03:55] <manchicken> jel: No?  Do tell.
[03:55] <jel> manchicken: oh, well, it'll work in konqueror, is what I mean, but that won't solve the 64/32 thing; never mind :)
[03:55] <manchicken> heh
[03:56] <manchicken> I'm trying to set up a version of firefox to run in 32-bit so that I can use flash with it.
[03:56] <DaSkreech> Jucato: shhhhh
[03:57] <DaSkreech> pancho: How are you doing this? from adept or from an editor?
[03:57] <jel> manchicken: if you don't mind a few extra clicks, you could probably set it up to launch flashplayer externally
[03:57] <Jucato> DaSkreech: some more, but still related to UI: dialogs to confirm actions, the use of debtags is not fully explained yet very (annoyingly) prominent, not feature to handle /var/cache/apt. Mange Repositories is almost the same as just manually editing sources.list
[03:57] <manchicken> jel: For work I need it to play as a plugin.
[03:57] <Jucato> s/not feature/no feature
[03:57] <jel> manchicken: I see.
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Handle /var/cache/apt ?
[03:58] <Jucato> DaSkreech: sudo apt-get clean
[03:58] <pancho> DaSkreech: From Adept. I have Edgy.
[03:59] <manchicken> jel: In SuSE I simply have Firefox installed as a i686 package.
[03:59] <DaSkreech> pancho: Ok on that line enable it and then on the part of the line that says universe click it
[03:59] <manchicken> jel: Are you aware of a way to do this?
[04:00] <jel> manchicken: that would make sense.  Ubuntu x64 doesn't have a 32-bit firefox?  Does it have much 32-bit support?
[04:00] <DaSkreech> pancho: you shuld be able to edit it
[04:00] <manchicken> Dunno.  Just installed it last night.
[04:00] <DaSkreech> pancho: after the word universe put a space and the word multiverse
[04:00] <Jucato> DaSkreech: bottom line, using Adept is almost the same as using apt-get...
[04:00] <DaSkreech> Jucato: but without having to know the commands
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Which makes it useful
[04:01] <jel> manchicken: no, not really.  I could figure it out given an x64 system and a bit of time, but I haven't used x64 yet, personally.
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Jucato: And it has the advantage of being able to remove packages that depend on the package you are removing
[04:01] <Kubuntu> anyone ever rebuilt a NTFS MFT?
[04:01] <DaSkreech> pancho: Let me know when you have done that
[04:01] <pancho> DaSkreech: From Adept. I have Edgy. I Did it. THANKs.
[04:02] <DaSkreech> pancho: Ok so you have a line that reads univerese<space>multiverse
[04:02] <pancho> DaSkreech: THANKS A LOT. ^_^
[04:02] <jel> Kubuntu: nope.  There is a second one though.  If they're both screwed, you've probably lost most of the files anyway I guess.
[04:02] <DaSkreech> pancho: click apply and then close. reload and get libxine-extracodecs
[04:02] <snovvy> hi all
[04:02] <pancho> DaSkreech: Yes and I already installed it.
[04:02] <DaSkreech>  pancho: let me know when you are jamming to muzak
[04:02] <DaSkreech> Alright :)
[04:02] <Jucato> DaSkreech: "And it has the advantage of being able to remove packages that depend on the package you are removing" no it doesn't. at least in Dapper
[04:03] <pancho> DaSkreech: ALL RIGHT SR.
[04:03] <Kubuntu> jel: Sooo this is a worthless 200 GB hard drive?
[04:03] <eilker> !deb.conf
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about deb.conf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <manchicken> I'll just try the 32-bit package and see if it knows what to do with it.
[04:04] <manchicken> I doubt it'll work.
[04:04] <jel> Kubuntu: No!   It just means you've probably lost your files, should reformat, and restore from your digilently prepared backups ;)
[04:05] <Kubuntu> jel: What if this happened in the process of backing up?
[04:05] <jel> Kubuntu: unless your hard drive makes horrible noises when you try to use it, or it just won't start at all, it's usually OK
[04:05] <Kubuntu> jel: But the files are gone?
[04:05] <eilker> friends what is xorg.conf for ?
[04:05] <jel> Kubuntu: ideally, you'd have the earlier backup, plus some of the most recent files.
[04:06] <Kubuntu> Is there no way to do a low level scan type thing and retireve them?
[04:06] <eilker> i have a dump problem, i cant login with my username and password
[04:06] <jel> Kubuntu: there almost certainly is.  Question is... how much time do you want to put in, when some of it is probably messed up?  It's unlikely that you can just fix it at the touch of a button, and go back to using that filesysem.
[04:06] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: What's trellon ?
[04:07] <nikkiana> DaSkreech: where I work
[04:07] <eilker> but it accepts same user name and password in console
[04:07] <xbesnard> hello, just a question. I am a Laptop for my business and I try to swich the OS to Kubuntu 606.1. OpenOffice is installed but I am unable to open Vision files (.vsd extension) and Outlook files (.mst and .pst). Does Software exist to switch and/or open them under OO? Thanks for the answers.
[04:07] <Kubuntu> jel: It's 200 GB of data I think that it would be worth my time rather than trying to recreate it
[04:07] <nikkiana> DaSkreech: http://trellon.com/ - we do Drupal based websites for non-profits and political folk.
[04:07] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: and they have a room? that's neat :)
[04:07] <nikkiana> DaSkreech: yeah. we telecommute, so that's our "office"
[04:08] <jel> Kubuntu: OK, fair enough :)   So... it's unreadable from Linux and from Windows?
[04:08] <Dr_willis> xbesnard,  i recall a tip in the "ubuntu hacks book" to use the firefox mail program (whatever its called. thunderbird?) under windows and let it import the mail, then copy its data files over for the linux version to use..  No idea on vision files.  never heard of them
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Ha ha we used to do that when this business started
[04:09] <Kubuntu> jel: returns the same error
[04:09] <arriesp> ola gent
[04:09] <Kubuntu> chkdsk throws up on it
[04:09] <snovvy> how can i detect my sound card ?
[04:09] <Kubuntu> testdisk is so far having some difficulty
[04:09] <LjL> eilker: try pressing caps lock before login in X ;-)
[04:10] <eilker> LjL: it is only number:)
[04:10] <manchicken> Is ia32 itanium as ia64 is?
[04:10] <eilker> Dr_willis: hi sir, i have problem with my xorg.conf file how can i reconfigre it, i dont know consol command, i cant login with my password, i think it is releated with it
[04:10] <xbesnard> Oups. Not Vision but Visio, soft for drawings and schematics
[04:11] <Dr_willis> eilker,  if you cant login  and do root stuff with your 'sudo' password.. well you really did a good job breaking things. :)
[04:11] <Dr_willis> eilker,  can you login as a user at all?
[04:12] <jel> Kubuntu: if you go to digg.com (I think that was it) and do a search, you'll find a video of a guy who runs one of the top hard drive recovery services sharing some of his secrets.  He mentions some of his favourite tools, I think.  Alternatively, try some things from softplatz.com/software/mft.   Make an image backup of the drive if you can, before messing with it, and you need a windows livecd to work from with those tools.
[04:12] <jel> or just another machine that you can plug the hd into, of course :)
[04:12] <snovvy> how can i detect my sound card ?
[04:12] <eilker> Dr_willis: i cant login as user, i go to console, from console i become root and startx ,
[04:12] <Kubuntu> jel: Well the windows drive itself works
[04:12] <Dr_willis> eilker,  and startx fails eh?
[04:13] <Kubuntu> I can boot into windows
[04:13] <Kubuntu> It just gives me cooties
[04:13] <eilker> Dr_willis: startx fails in user account, it works in root account
[04:13] <snovvy> does anybody hear me ?
[04:14] <LjL> anybody: No such nick/channel
[04:14] <jel> "Windows drive"?   Ahh... so it boots, and you get the automated chkdsk, but that fails, and you're stuck?
[04:15] <DaSkreech> snovvy: Yes
[04:15] <jel> snovvy: yes.
[04:15] <eilker> Dr_willis: when startx fails , it gives "error" opening /dev/wacom xf860 open serial " and fpe /usr/share/x11/fonts/misc refcount is 2, should be 1 fixing" these errors:(
[04:15] <snovvy> how can i detect my sound card at linux ? :)
[04:15] <Kubuntu> jel: chkdsk crashes on trying to access the drive
[04:15] <snovvy> i got sound blaster
[04:15] <jel>  snovvy: what do you mean by detect your soundcard?   Ubuntu doesn't recognise it?
[04:15] <snovvy> :)
[04:15] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell snovvy about sound
[04:15] <jel> snovvy: or you just want to know what kind it is?
[04:16] <jel> Kubuntu: you could try the recovery console from your windows cd
[04:16] <Dr_willis> eilker,  thats weird.. you using a wacom tablet?
[04:16] <snovvy> i got SB [old version]  and i need to detect it
[04:16] <jel> Kubuntu: sounds like a lot of the files are still accessible to windows
[04:16] <eilker> Dr_willis: i even dont  know what wacom tablet is, newbie here
[04:16] <Kubuntu> jel: Well not from Windows :)
[04:17] <snovvy> btw LjL thx for links ... :)
[04:17] <Dr_willis> eilker,  its a touchpad/tablet/pen thing..    eilker  has this system ever worked for you?
[04:17] <jel> Kubuntu: if it boots to that stage, and loads chkdsk, it can load files from your harddrive.  Unless you have a separate system drive, or you're booting from a cd
[04:17] <snovvy> i don't have this file: libasound.so.2
[04:17] <Kubuntu> I have a seperate drive
[04:17] <Kubuntu>  one foe windows
[04:17] <eilker> Dr_willis: i only used usb stick memory
[04:17] <snovvy> where i can find it ?
[04:17] <snovvy> :)
[04:17] <LjL> svovvis it ISA?
[04:18] <jel> Kubuntu: it just runs the chkdsk because it knows it's broken, and should be fixed, not because it's totally unusuable.
[04:18] <Kubuntu>  one for applications and install files and one for data
[04:18] <LjL> err i meant, snovvy, is it ISA?
[04:18] <Kubuntu> the Data drive is not being seen
[04:18] <jel> *unusable :)
[04:18] <manchicken> Has anybody gotten vmware(any of it) working on x86-64?
[04:18] <snovvy> i don't know ... <oops>
[04:18] <jel> Kubuntu: ahh, ok.  Second drive then.
[04:18] <eilker> Dr_willis: is there any recovery tool , if i use live cd etc ?
[04:19] <snovvy> where i can find this file libasound.so.2
[04:19] <LjL> snovvy: try "lspci | grep audio"
[04:19] <eilker> Dr_willis: i think i have problem with server configration things
[04:19] <snovvy> ok i got:) ubuntu see i got SB :)
[04:19] <LjL> eilker: there is a recovery mode when you boot
[04:19] <snovvy> but i don't have sound...
[04:19] <Dr_willis> eilker,  theres dozens of ways to recover.. but you need to know what you are doing.. what are youmeaning 'usb stick memory' ?
[04:19] <LjL> snovvy: ok, but an SB what?
[04:20] <LjL> eilker: there is no specific "recovery" mode on the CD, but you certainly can use it to recover things
[04:20] <Dr_willis> I must have 5 different soundblaster cards here.  in my machines. :)
[04:20] <snovvy> 0000:00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[04:20] <snovvy> 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02)
[04:20] <eilker> Dr_willis: u put to usb port, it memory about 512 mb
[04:20] <LjL> snovvy: which is not a SB
[04:20] <snovvy> i got sth like that :)
[04:21] <Kubuntu> jel: Yep
[04:21] <eilker> Ljl: i must to recover my xorg.conf file
[04:21] <snovvy> ohhh :| .. i hate be newbie :P
[04:21] <LjL> snovvy: does anything happen if you type "cat </dev/urandom >/dev/dsp"?
[04:21] <LjL> eilker: how did you lose it?
[04:21] <Dr_willis> eilker,  if you can login as root thers a dpkg-reconfigure SOMTHINGIFORGET  to regenrate a xorg.conf file. check in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to see if any older copies exist first
[04:21] <snovvy> i don't have permission
[04:22] <snovvy> with and without sudo
[04:22] <LjL> snovvy: sudo won't help when redirections are needed. and you should have permissions, anyway...
[04:22] <jel> try booting from a windows cd, and going into recovery console.  run chkdisk /f /r, which should ask you about running chkdsk on next boot.  Disable that, and hopefully windows will load as normal.  Then you can download and run some windows recovery tools
[04:22] <eilker> Ljl: i was trying to install lamp, it gave some error during installation mysql server, i did sth to xorg.conf
[04:22] <LjL> snovvy: type "groups", is "audio" listed?
[04:22] <snovvy> yes it's listed
[04:22] <jel> snovvy: I got the /f /r thing from the web, so check what they do with chkdsk /? before just blindly running it.
[04:23] <jel> Kubuntu: sorry, above
[04:23] <LjL> eilker, just go to a console, no need for the CD, and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:23] <jel> snovvy: sorry
[04:23] <LjL> eilker: and make backups of files you change, next time ;-)
[04:23] <Dr_willis> I never can rember "xserver-xorg' :)
[04:23] <LjL> snovvy: try    sudo sh -c "cat </dev/urandom >/dev/dsp"
[04:23] <Kubuntu> jel: Digg is hanging Konqueror
[04:23] <Kubuntu> jel: can you give me the link?
[04:23] <jel> Kubuntu: javascript and flash :/
[04:24] <snovvy> i got now      >
[04:24] <LjL> Dr_willis: yes, well, of you could type "delete ENV:Prefs/#?"
[04:24] <snovvy> in cosnole :D
[04:24] <LjL> snovvy: hm?
[04:24] <eilker> LjL: when i wrote the command , i get "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168"
[04:24] <snovvy> w8 my bad :)
[04:24] <snovvy> he doing sth ... :)
[04:25] <Dr_willis> eilker,  the ubuntu x configs include settings for the touchpads.. thats just a warning.. ignore it. :)
[04:25] <LjL> eilker, you mean when you typed sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in a console?
[04:25] <jel> Kubuntu: I've gotta go soon, but I'll have a quick look..
[04:25] <eilker> LjL:exactly
[04:25] <LjL> !baddevice | Dr_willis, eilker
[04:25] <ubotu> Dr_willis, eilker: If you are getting errors similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", then please read this page: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[04:25] <Kubuntu> jel: Thanks
[04:25] <snovvy> hmm...
[04:25] <LjL> snovvy, you're not hearing any sound?
[04:26] <snovvy> i got  error
[04:26] <LjL> snovvy, what error?
[04:26] <snovvy> w8 i ghot polish version :D
[04:26] <snovvy> i must translate it
[04:27] <snovvy> save error. Not enough space at sth :P
[04:27] <nujunto> When shutting down Kubunto from a CD Boot, what does it mean when the RAID Monitor "Failed"
[04:27] <snovvy> but i got 25 gb disc space free :D
[04:27] <scarfreewill> can some one plz ping wine.budgetdedicated.com and tell me their ip (its not in my dns server list)
[04:27] <LjL> snovvy: ?!
[04:27] <LjL> snovvy: ok, type "ls -l /dev/dsp" and paste the output
[04:27] <Dr_willis> nujunto,  you got a raid setup? its proberly just trying to shut down any if they exist.. and since none exist.. it fails..
[04:28] <snovvy> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 64557056 2006-11-01 16:25 /dev/dsp
[04:28] <LjL> [16:27:57]  [DNS]  Resolved wine.budgetdedicated.com to: 81.171.111.184 <-- scarfreewill, strange that your DNS can't resolve it
[04:28] <nujunto> What is a raid setup?
[04:28] <scarfreewill> LkL; thx
[04:28] <nujunto> thx
[04:28] <Dr_willis> nujunto,  i guess that means ya aont got one. :)
[04:28] <LjL> snovvy: ouch. then you didn't have the device, type "sudo rm /dev/dsp" and be careful you spell this one right
[04:28] <Meta[MNB] > !webcam
[04:28] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:28] <Dr_willis> nujunto,  an Array of disks - for better speed/safety.
[04:29] <eilker> LjL:  it gives many errors        " Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83."
[04:29] <nujunto> A raid setup is prefered?
[04:29] <LjL> eilker, it seems like your problem is much worse than a messed up xorg.conf, to me
[04:29] <eilker> LjL: "Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 83."
[04:29] <Kubuntu> jel: I gotta pay for all the stuff from http://softplatz.com/software/mft/
[04:30] <eilker> LjL: do u have any suggestion for me ?
[04:30] <snovvy> do you know where I can find file: libasound.so.2
[04:30] <Dr_willis> LjL,  i have to agree with ya there..
[04:30] <LjL> eilker: not really, it seems your APT is somewhat broken, and i'm not sure how i could attack the problem.
[04:31] <LjL> eilker: are you sure the only file you edited by hand was /etc/X11/xorg.conf? and how did you install mysql?
[04:31] <snovvy> LjL: I paste this and it's don;t work
[04:32] <eilker> LjL: in fact, everything happend after  mysql install, from console i gave the command, at the moment, mysql installation is broken too, i think if i solve mysql problem, and login problem will be solved too
[04:32] <eilker> LjL: because when adept has some problem, login has problem too
[04:32] <LjL> snovvy: why do you think you need that file?
[04:32] <eilker> LjL: i have also apache2 installed in my system, do u suggest me to remove ?
[04:33] <eilker> LjL: any relation?
[04:33] <snovvy> i don't think anything >.<  xD
[04:33] <jel> Kubuntu: ohh, it was dl.tv, not digg.com.
[04:33] <LjL> eilker, do you still have the error output from your failed mysql install? could you post it to the pastebin?
[04:33] <LjL> eilker, yes, i think they're related.
[04:33] <LjL> snovvy: well then why are you asking about that file?
[04:33] <jel> Kubuntu: an app called "restoration" got some good comments on digg.   But, gotta go.  Good luck.
[04:33] <Kubuntu> jel: Linky? :-)
[04:33] <eilker> LjL: i dont have it, but it was about server configration
[04:33] <Kubuntu> Alright
[04:34] <jel> Kubuntu: dl.tv; it's the side.  Just look through recent episodes of their show
[04:34] <jel> *site
[04:34] <snovvy> oh .. 'bout that file..  becouse already all aplications cry i don;t have that file...
[04:34] <snovvy> and i don'tknow where i can find it
[04:34] <snovvy> or what
[04:34] <Kubuntu> jel: They mention it in teh latest one i see
[04:34] <Kubuntu> jel: Thankss!
[04:35] <Kubuntu> http://www.dl.tv/2006/10/episode_105_inside_hard_drive_1.php
[04:35] <trym|work> the installation cd locks the screen after a while.. what the password?
[04:35] <Dr_willis> trym|work,  you mean installing from the the live cd?
[04:35] <LjL> snovvy: sudo apt-get intall libasound2 -- it's in there, but you should have it already
[04:35] <LjL> snovvy: you didn't install the server version, did you? :o)
[04:35] <chx> is it possible to open a file in KATE read only?
[04:36] <snovvy> no... i install normal dektop version :)
[04:36] <LjL> eilker: what errors, if any, does "sudo apt-get -f install" give you?
[04:36] <LjL> snovvy: well, try that command above
[04:36] <Jucato> chx: you just remove the write permission from the file, and it will be opened as read only
[04:36] <snovvy> i got libasound2 in most newer version :|
[04:37] <chx> Jucato: that's good for local files. But, we have kio (I praise god for that twice every day :) ) and there this does not work
[04:37] <LjL> snovvy: type "ls /usr/lib/libasound.so.2" - does it show?
[04:37] <Jucato> chx: which kio slave?
[04:37] <chx> Jucato: mostly, sftp.
[04:37] <trym|work> Dr_willis: yes
[04:37] <chx> Jucato: but ftp too
[04:38] <Jucato> chx: ah... then I don't think so. programs will just follow the read/write/execute permissions of the files themselves
[04:38] <snovvy> it's isn't there...
[04:38] <LjL> snovvy: "sudo apt-get --reinstall install libasound2"
[04:38] <Jucato> chx: my bad. it's possible. sorry
[04:38] <chx> Jucato: oh?
[04:38] <LjL> snovvy: but it most definitely should be there. something weird happened.
[04:38] <Jucato> chx: Kate -> Tools -> Read only mode I think
[04:39] <snovvy> i know it...  :)
[04:39] <eilker> LjL: it says it will installed a new packet mysql server - 5 , when i do it after download it says that folder does not have space for installation
[04:39] <manchicken> Is there a 32-bit compatability package somewhere for x86-64?
[04:39] <chx> Jucato: superb. now I just need to add a nice shortcut to this.
[04:39] <Jucato> chx: heh I just learned that right now, too. :)
[04:39] <LjL> eilker, err, how full is your root partition? (type "df -h" to know)
[04:40] <LjL> eilker: could you paste the full error at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.com anyway?
[04:40] <chx> Jucato: thanks for this tidbit. you made my life much easier.
[04:42] <snovvy> LjL: what should i do? :) reinstall linux ? :)))
[04:42] <eilker> Ljl: i am downloading again jusr a minute pls
[04:42] <LjL> snovvy: have you tried typing "sudo apt-get --reinstall install libasound2" as i suggested?
[04:43] <snovvy> noo... :> but i try now :)
[04:43] <eilker> Ljl: is this adress correct? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.com
[04:44] <LjL> eilker: no, sorry, it is .org
[04:44] <LjL> eilker: what are you downloading anyway? if your drive really happens to be full, you really shouldn't be downloading anything... type "df -h" in another terminal and tell me about the output
[04:45] <snovvy> ok now i got one step forward :) thx LjL :)
[04:45] <snovvy> now i must run sound :>
[04:45] <snovvy> if i'll get problem i go here again :)
[04:46] <snovvy> Big Thanks !
[04:46] <eilker> Ljl: i will paste, with mysql errors too
[04:48] <eilker> Ljl: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29741/
[04:50] <eilker> Ljl: it says i have no space...
[04:51] <LjL> eilker, type "sudo apt-get clean" -- that will wipe out the packages you have in your cache (not the ones you have installed, mind you), and free some disk space
[04:51] <LjL> eilker, then do "df -h" again and tell me how much space was freed. you should probably do some housecleaning on your drive.
[04:52] <LjL> eilker, hopefully with some free space you'll be able to run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", as well as finish the mysql installation
[04:52] <LjL> eilker, and then, when you have X back, you can use the "kdirstat" package to find out relatively easily what's taking up most of your HD
[04:53] <LjL> (or the "File size" view in Konqueror, which is similar)
[04:53] <LjL> (View / View mode / File size view)
[04:54] <eilker> Ljl: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29743/ see the errors pls
[04:54] <jende_> howdy
[04:54] <Meta[MNB] > how can i enable my notebooks touchpad-wheel-button?:D
[04:55] <Jucato> jende_!!
[04:55] <LjL> eilker: this is after freeing up space?
[04:55] <Meta[MNB] > '
[04:55] <BluesKaj>  hiyas jende_ , how goes it ?
[04:55] <eilker> nope before it
[04:55] <LjL> eilker, for the future, mind the fact that running out of disk space in Linux can be quite a serious issue
[04:55] <LjL> eilker: then type "sudo apt-get clean" and then try that again
[04:55] <eilker> Ljl: ok sir
[04:56] <jende_> BluesKaj: not to bad, though. As usual a bit of work to do and the worse I had today in my inbox.
[04:56] <BluesKaj> jende , I got my network printer working ok , and the scanner as well , so i'm pretty happy with Edgy now :)
[04:56] <LjL> ahum
[04:56] <jende_> BluesKaj: I have to work on saturday on a couple of winboxes....errrr....
[04:57] <BluesKaj> oh no jende_, not bad news i hope :(
[04:57] <LjL> Dr_willis and other witnesses, you can testify i didn't tell him to type any particularly dangerous command :P
[04:57] <formucake> if i'm using the boot cd to test out edgy, can i still connect to the internet by entering my wep ID and key?
[04:57] <jende_> BluesKaj: thats good news that your stuff finally works. Glad to hear that
[04:57] <Dr_willis> LjL,  i think hes dangerous enough on his own. :)
[04:57] <LjL> heh
[04:58] <LjL> well, who's not run out of diskspace
[04:58] <BluesKaj> well, Im seriously thinking of shrinking the windows partition to about 30% of the HDD
[04:58] <LjL> and once i spent hours trying to track down a printing problem on my server, before realizing my server's HD was full :P
[04:58] <jende_> BluesKaj: good on ya... ;-)
[04:58] <Dr_willis> LjL,  terabyte fileservers are getting affordable.
[04:58] <rav3n> blueskaj: i have 100 GB HD windows takes only 5 GB of it
[04:58] <rav3n> :d
[04:58] <rav3n> :D
[04:58] <Dr_willis> eSATA is starting to get in stores also!
[04:58] <Dr_willis> heh
[04:58] <BluesKaj> since I prolly won't be usiong it too much
[04:59] <jende_> BluesKaj: have you found all the apps which will suit your needs?
[04:59] <BluesKaj> yeah rav3n, I have 60G for linux and 95 for windows
[05:00] <BluesKaj> so far jende_, but I'm always open to suggestions :)
[05:00] <rav3n> blueskaj: way too unfair :D
[05:00] <jende_> BluesKaj: what are your interests?
[05:00] <formucake> when having both kubuntu and windows on the same machine, does it ask which one to start when booting up?
[05:00] <BluesKaj> audio and video and learning linux :)
[05:00] <jende_> formucake: yep
[05:00] <rav3n> formucake: ofcourse
[05:00] <LjL> formucake: it should. but if it doesn't, start pressing Esc before your BIOS gives up control, and you should get a menu
[05:01] <formucake> ok, completely new to this
[05:01] <BluesKaj> yes it does formucake
[05:01] <BluesKaj> it's the bootup page or bootloader
[05:02] <jende_> BluesKaj: have a look at kino, btw some like it some dont
[05:02] <BluesKaj> speaking of bootloaders , jende_, I'm trying to edit the list of old kernels that are no longer on my system but are still listed
[05:02] <BluesKaj> kino eh , will check it out
[05:03] <jende_> BluesKaj: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/kino.html
[05:04] <Jucato> we have kino in our repos too
[05:04] <jende_> Jucato: I know that, but that is real nice description
[05:04] <Jucato> ah
[05:04] <jende_> Jucato: howdy, my friend
[05:05] <jende_> !kino
[05:05] <ubotu> kino: Non-linear editor for Digital Video data. In component main, is extra. Version 0.90-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1093 kB, installed size 3860 kB
[05:05] <Jucato> hehe
[05:05] <rav3n> Frostwire doesn't work on Edgy...i changed the "sh" to "bash" now it opens up but doesn't connect keeps stating "Starting connection" any help??
[05:06] <jende_> Jucato: http://www.kinodv.org/
[05:06] <Jucato> jende_: yeah I've seen it. I was actually confused by the name and mistook it for a KDE app
[05:06] <Dr_willis> rav3n,  how are you running it? :P
[05:07] <Emess> Jucato: is tehre anything special you need to do so firefox recognises flash9 is present?
[05:07] <Emess> of great, i also need to convince firefox it can play streaming wmv's :(
[05:07] <Dr_willis> rav3n,  try...  cd /usr/lib/frostwire
[05:07] <Dr_willis> bash runFrost.sh
[05:07] <Jucato> Emess: when I installed mine using Seveas's repo, I didn't have to do anything
[05:07] <rav3n> Dr_willis: i know how to run the point is that it's not connecting
[05:08] <Dr_willis> rav3n,  odd.. its been working for me under edgy.
[05:08] <rav3n> Dr_willis: keeps on "Starting connection"
[05:08] <formucake> im having problems getting the network manager to connect to my wireless router. i entered the wep ID/password and it doesnt work. any ideas what could be wrong?
[05:09] <Dr_willis> rav3n,  its working here for me. :()
[05:09] <rav3n> schade!!! :(
[05:11] <rcurtis> started using a usb headset in dapper - some apps use the headset, some use the onboard card - I only want to use the headset, any ideas?
[05:12] <rcurtis> formucake: open a console and type sudo dhclient
[05:13] <formucake> rcurtis, im running my only machine right now in windows
[05:14] <rcurtis> formucake: what version of kubuntu are you running?
[05:14] <formucake> i have the 6.10 boot DVD (AMD 64)
[05:14] <formucake> I havent installed it just yet, I am looking to test it out first
[05:15] <rcurtis> formucake: I had problems with the Wireless Assistant in betas of 6.10 - running "sudo dhclient" from a command prompt got me up and running
[05:16] <TestObjekt> Hallo
[05:16] <formucake> okay kinda new to this... so next time I boot up, try opening a console and type sudo dhclient
[05:16] <rcurtis> yip
[05:17] <formucake> alright thanks for your help, i'll give that a shot. BTW, anyone having problems running dual boot on one machine?
[05:19] <rcurtis> anyone up for the usb headset question - why sound through both devices instead of just the headset?
[05:22] <Flosoft> hey
[05:22] <Flosoft> What is the ATI 3D Driver?
[05:22] <Flosoft> I want to play UT2004
[05:23] <BluesKaj> Flosoft, frglx driver
[05:23] <rcurtis> Flosoft: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[05:23] <rav3n> I have a problem printing an A4 size in edg....it prints a letter size
[05:23] <BluesKaj> sorry fglrx
[05:24] <rav3n> tried the 3 available drives
[05:24] <rav3n> using differetn sizes and tried printing through Acrobat reader instead of Kpdf
[05:24] <rav3n> !printer
[05:24] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:24] <BluesKaj> fglrx is supposed to support 3d if your card has it
[05:25] <trappist> any card supported by fglrx should have 3d
[05:25] <rav3n> wht the fglrx like suitable for intel
[05:26] <rav3n> trappist: wht the fglrx like suitable for intel ?
[05:26] <trappist> rav3n: I can't parse your question, but the fglrx drivers are for ATI cards
[05:26] <BluesKaj> intel ?
[05:27] <DaSkreech> !headset
[05:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about headset - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <DaSkreech> !sound
[05:27] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[05:27] <Flosoft> do I need to setup xorg.conf ?
[05:27] <Flosoft> with fglrx?
[05:27] <Flosoft> or something like that?
[05:30] <carlos> hi
[05:30] <carlos> i have a problem with my sound
[05:30] <BluesKaj> andred-, goto sys/settings/display/hardware
[05:33] <DaSkreech> !sound
[05:33] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[05:33] <BluesKaj> andred-, there should be a graphics card listed and the driver 'fglrx' or some other one listed beside it
[05:34] <carlos> thanks
[05:35] <Furesho> has anyone here had the problem of gettin redirected to directnic.com when trying to access certain sites? (for me it has been youtube and statefarm so far)
[05:36] <rcurtis> ubotu: sound looks like a *complete* mess
[05:36] <rcurtis> try pointing anyone but a techie to either of those sites
[05:38] <trappist> rcurtis: ubotu is a bot
[05:38] <rcurtis> oh :)
[05:38] <rcurtis> thanks trappist
[05:38] <rcurtis> sound is still a total mess though
[05:39] <Furesho> hello?
[05:39] <trappist> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems <-- should probably have a blurb about what needs to be done after a dapper->edgy upgrade
[05:40] <buzz_> ciao
[05:40] <buzz_> c' qualcuno che pu darmi una mano?
[05:40] <rcurtis> trappist that's my point - who on earth could understand that except someone that is technically competent
[05:40] <trappist> rcurtis: it's just a doc on how to debug sound when it has problems - usually it should work out of the box.  when it doesn't, well, things get a little technical.
[05:41] <Sanne> !it
[05:41] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:42] <rcurtis> trappist sound doesnt just work out of the box in a lot of occassions and I don't think docs like that are the answer
[05:43] <rcurtis> they are useful to a certain audience - but the minority
[05:44] <rav3n> trappist: i ment, wht is the composite manager that works best wiz intel VGA cards ??
[05:44] <BluesKaj> the sound mixer has be set up to fit your spkr/sound system ...for some reason after upgrading to edgy the default was 4channel . When I set it to 2 ch analog it oworked
[05:45] <trappist> rcurtis: the cool thing about wikis is if you think it can be done better, you can fix it
[05:45] <trappist> rav3n: on, I think that would be AIGLX but I can't swear to it
[05:45] <trappist> rcurtis: obviously the long-term fix is to make sound work out of the box in as many cases as possible.  That's an ongoing effort.
[05:45] <rcurtis> trappist: I would do it better if I could - however, if I knew how to fix the sound problem, I wouldn't need the wiki
[05:45] <constantine-xvi> does anyone know how similar KHTML is to WebKit(Safari)?
[05:46] <trappist> constantine-xvi: fairly similar.  Safari started with the khtml codebase, but then they diverged.
[05:46] <gba> Hi, How can I connect with Kopete to Jabber, please? I have just created my Account and now there is this icon at the right bottom corner, but there is nowhere a "connect" icon or menu .
[05:47] <constantine-xvi> gba: right-click jabber icon, "online"
[05:47] <Kubuntu> gba: Right click the icon
[05:47] <rcurtis> trappist: my point is that simply plugging in a usb headset causes sound to stop functioning correctly
[05:47] <Kubuntu> You will get status stuff click the one youwant
[05:47] <gba> Kubuntu: There is only "Offline" menu
[05:47] <rcurtis> when that happens - there is no alternative but to spend hours reading
[05:47] <Kubuntu> gba: Right click the kopete icon in the sys tray
[05:47] <gba> and "Join Groupchat" and so on but not "Online"
[05:48] <T3hWiz0rd> anyone know what setting I have to change so that when i open a window it becomes the selected window? right now when i open anything in kde i have to click to select it, instead of it becoming the active window.
[05:48] <Mr_Pan> i've a problem with upgrade to ubuntu 6.10 edgy. apt return me an error code 1 processing xfonts-intl-european_1_2.1-6. Any hints?
[05:48] <trappist> rcurtis: have you filed a bug report?
[05:48] <gba> Kubuntu: It is grey the icon in the systray
[05:48] <constantine-xvi> also, has anyone managed to sync a palm OS4 handheld/phone?
[05:49] <rcurtis> trappist - I will file a bug report
[05:49] <gba> Kubuntu: And when I right click on it then I get the same menu as with the click on the light bulb in the window of Kopete
[05:49] <gba> Kubuntu: And there is also no Online menu
[05:50] <gba> "Configure Notification" , "Configure Konversation" and so on but no Online
[05:50] <constantine-xvi> gba: click the "yellow man" icon in the top-left, you should see online-away-busy-etc
[05:50] <Kubuntu> gba: What version of kopete/
[05:50] <gba> Kubuntu: I am using the version 6.06 of Kubuntu
[05:50] <Kubuntu> gba: Konversation is not Kopete
[05:51] <gba> Kopete is showing 0.11.1
[05:51] <gba> Kubuntu: I made a mistake, sorry
[05:52] <gba> Kubuntu: If I right click on the systray icon I get following menus: ...
[05:52] <gba> Kubuntu: A menu with my account, then "Set status", "configure" and "Add contact", Minimize and Quit
[05:52] <constantine-xvi> gba: go to the menu w/ your acct
[05:53] <Kubuntu> gba: what is under set status ?
[05:54] <gba> Kubuntu: Online, Away , Busy, Invisible and Offline
[05:55] <djmdave> Hi, does anyone know how to switch off the pop-up notifications for kde-guidance-powermanager. There doesn't seem to be an entry for it in systemsettings -> Notifications...
[05:55] <gba> Kubuntu: Under "Online" i can only choose between "no message" and "New message" but there is no icon(menu9 for connecting
[05:55] <constantine-xvi> gba: no message
[05:55] <Kubuntu> gba: Choose no message
[05:56] <gba> Kubuntu: Whats that for a "logical" menu , please? Choosing "no message" for connecting to a server?
[05:57] <Kubuntu> gba: You can set an optional status message when connecting to a server
[05:57] <Kubuntu>  like a part message in IRC
[05:57] <B-Minus> hehe
[05:57] <Kubuntu> That sets it to not set a message
[05:58] <Kubuntu> gba: If you have ever been on MSN you know the messages I'm talking about
[05:58] <joscha> has anybody some experience with lirc under edgy?
[05:58] <gba> But thanks to you two Kubuntu and constantine-xvi. At least I know now how to connect. Happy Halloween
[05:58] <Kubuntu> gba: If you prefer the next time you can choose new Message and set it to somethign and see
[05:58] <Kubuntu> gba: Boo!
[05:58] <gba> Kubuntu: No I didn't used MSN and also not ICQ
[05:58] <constantine-xvi> gba: my zombies thank you
[05:59] <blizzz> how can i force apt-get to upgrade also packages which are hold back?
[05:59] <gba> blizzz: apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:59] <Admiral_Chicago> gba: packages that are held back, like python
[06:00] <blizzz> gba: does not help
[06:00] <djmdave> blizzz: also try manually installing packages as well
[06:00] <gba> blizzz: Then I don't know
[06:01] <blizzz> i am kinda nmotivated to type 39 packages....
[06:01] <gba> blizzz: sorry
[06:01] <blizzz> but i got a tip from where else: adding --ignore-hold :)
[06:01] <DaSkreech> blizzz: apt-get -f install
[06:02] <jeroenvrp> what is the defauilt coloer scheme in kubuntu edgy?
[06:02] <djmdave> jeroenvrp: kuseven
[06:02] <blizzz> argh, it does not work either :(
[06:02] <gba> jeroenvrp: blue, blue and blue
[06:02] <jeroenvrp> djmdave: thanks
[06:02] <constantine-xvi> jeroenvrp: sortof purplish, with blue background
[06:02] <jeroenvrp> I know, but I was looking for the name
[06:04] <constantine-xvi> can anyone get a palm syncing in anything in edgy?
[06:05] <B-Minus> hey
[06:06] <ThomasI> Does anyone has a clue when the ICQ-Fix of Kopete can be expected to come by auto-update?
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Thomasl: not soon enough
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Back in My day - we used to IM the old fashioned way!
[06:11] <Dr_willis> With Post it Noted!
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: With mail on horseback?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> Yelling across the room.
[06:12] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:13] <Admiral_Chicago> Dr_willis: i really hate kopete
[06:13] <DaSkreech> Me too
[06:13] <ThomasI> why so?
[06:13] <Dr_willis> I hate how the IM 'craze' has became a "web cam chat craze"
[06:13] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:13] <Admiral_Chicago> i looked for new styles on kde-look.org and everything but it's so ugly
[06:15] <DaSkreech> ThomasI: Nothing personal it's just very young and annoying
[06:15] <DaSkreech> !away > slicslak
[06:15] <ThomasI> DaSkreech: whats your favorite then?
[06:16] <slicslak> DaSkreech, it was an accident!  seriously!
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Gaim is much better than kopete Currently but kopete has more development on it
[06:16] <Admiral_Chicago> ThomasI: gaim for me
[06:16] <DaSkreech> slicslak: There there You are still going to jail
[06:17] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. How many KB/Second should a 100 speed network be able to transfer anyway?
[06:17] <aseigo> Riddell: ping. discovered the source of the completely lack of stability in edgy fo rme.
[06:17] <DaSkreech> So I would suspect that Kopete will have very compelling points for it soon but it has many things that just make me want to throttle it underwater
[06:17] <Riddell> aseigo: oh?
[06:17] <aseigo> Riddell: the upgrade process screwed my swap partition
[06:18] <Riddell> aseigo: so it's not in fstab?
[06:18] <aseigo> Riddell: i noticed when the system went into "unrecoverable fuckery" about half an hour ago that the swap meter on my panel was sitting at 0 but the disk was thrashing away. very odd.
[06:18] <JuJuBee> When I open a *.zip file, it automagically opens with Archive Manager, but when I open a *.tar.gz it asks me what to open it with and I cannot locate Archive Manager in the list.  How do I open it?
[06:18] <aseigo> Riddell: on reboot i look and lo! no swap
[06:19] <aseigo> Riddell: it's in fstab (converted to those "wonderful" unreadable uuid's) but swapon refused to mount it
[06:19] <aseigo> Riddell: i had to mkswap /dev/sda2 before things would work again nicely
[06:19] <Admiral_Chicago> aseigo: language please
[06:19] <aseigo> Riddell: i now have a swap partition and life is beautiful. was there some sort of change in the acceptable format of a swap partition in edgy?
[06:20] <Riddell> aseigo: should think so, I've done dozens of upgrades without any such problem
[06:21] <aseigo> Riddell: hm.. neat. well, something happened during upgrade ... post-upgrade the swap partition (which has worked since i installed breezy (and then upgraded to dapper) on this machine) stopped being mountable. urg.
[06:21] <Riddell> aseigo: not to sure what you should file a bug on either, linux I guess
[06:23] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't know why most people don't know they have to install *ubuntu-desktop
[06:23] <aseigo> Riddell: =/ x.org is screwing with my touchpad as well.
[06:23] <Admiral_Chicago> i barely found out after searching plenty of the "how not to break edgy" webpages
[06:24] <DaSkreech> !language > aseigo
[06:24] <JuJuBee> While upgrades are being discussed, I upgraded my desktop at home last night to edgy and now the video driver needs to be installed. Dapper identified and config'd my onboard via/s3g Unichrome Pro driver to work wonderfully. Edgy did not and the directions i found on web are not working, so video acceleration sucks now.  Why is this?
[06:26] <grothesk> JuJuBee: I'm runnig such a chipset with   Driver "via" in my xorg.conf
[06:27] <JuJuBee> grothesk : I entered "via" in my settings as well, but it still seems slower than previously.
[06:28] <JuJuBee> I guess I am wondering why a newer version would not autodetect while an older one did?
[06:28] <JuJuBee> I believe that the video ram is shared, is there a way to allocate more ram to the video?  I have 1GB RAM, so i can give more if it will help.
[06:30] <jeroenvrp> I have a few questions about edhy
[06:30] <jeroenvrp> I have a few questions about edgy:
[06:30] <Admiral_Chicago> !ask > jeroenvrp
[06:30] <jeroenvrp> 1. How to get rid of the 'hibernate computer' button when I exit KDE?
[06:30] <shadowhywind> get rid??
[06:31] <jeroenvrp> 2. How can I see if my swap is activeted, like in dapper with 'mount'
[06:31] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: it does not work for me, I don't use it, so I don't want it
[06:31] <shadowhywind> to see if your swap is mounted just open the ksysguard
[06:31] <|lostbyte|> jeroenvrp, free
[06:31] <BluesKaj> jeroenvrp, it's just one of the options ...I don't think you can edit that menu
[06:32] <shadowhywind> let me guess jerorenvrp when you boot your computer it says swap failed?
[06:32] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: after I tried to hibernate; yes
[06:32] <|lostbyte|> :)
[06:32] <shadowhywind> does it load if its just a regular bootup?
[06:33] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: that is what I try to find out
[06:33] <shadowhywind> open the sysguard Kmenu -> system ->Ksysguard
[06:33] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: I don't see any swap in Ksysguard
[06:34] <jeroenvrp> where must I see it
[06:34] <shadowhywind> buttom right corner should say something bout swap
[06:34] <jeroenvrp> ah yes
[06:34] <jeroenvrp> thats blue
[06:34] <shadowhywind> eather swap not found, or swap <number>, Number> free
[06:35] <shadowhywind> look down more. i mean the very bottom of the window
[06:35] <constantine-xvi> does amarok by chance have a "tivo" function to record internet streams, and dump them to my player?
[06:35] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: yes there is swap, part is used
[06:36] <jeroenvrp> thats my own pc
[06:36] <jeroenvrp> now lets check the pc I'm talking about :-)
[06:36] <shadowhywind> lol
[06:36] <BluesKaj> constantine-xvi, there is an internet radio streamer called streamtuner which you can use to record streams but it uses the xmms player
[06:36] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: yes the pc I tried to hibernate has no swap indeed
[06:37] <jeroenvrp> no sway anymore that is after hibernate
[06:37] <shadowhywind> ok that makes things so much easyer, do you have qtparted installed? by anychance?
[06:37] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: just the default kde-guidance
[06:38] <shadowhywind> ok i don't know if this is going to work, go to kmenu ->system settings ->advance -> Disk and filesystem
[06:38] <jeroenvrp> allready there :-)
[06:38] <candyban> Hi guys
[06:38] <shadowhywind> i asume you have a swap partition on a partition?
[06:38] <jeroenvrp> yes and it is deactivated
[06:38] <shadowhywind> good
[06:39] <shadowhywind> does it say it is type swap?
[06:39] <candyban> I have upgraded my dapper to edgy ... but now my pc 'freezes' at the kernel when probing USB hubs
[06:39] <shadowhywind> jerorenvrp name = none, mount point = none type = swap correct?
[06:39] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: sorry: yes!
[06:39] <candyban> my pc is a genuine intel board : Intel Desktop Board D875PBZ
[06:40] <jeroenvrp> indeed
[06:40] <shadowhywind> ok that is good then
[06:40] <jeroenvrp> almost at the bottom
[06:40] <jeroenvrp> before the floppy
[06:40] <candyban> are there some kernel options I can provide?
[06:40] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: so what should I do?
[06:40] <shadowhywind> jeroenvrp with that screen still open, open up a terminal and do (pico,kedit, gedit) /etc/fstab
[06:41] <jeroenvrp> let me open a seconds ssh-session
[06:41] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: yes
[06:42] <shadowhywind> you should see an entry for your swap that starts with the UUID number, do you see it?
[06:42] <jeroenvrp> UUID=af0ebd85-82fa-4188-8252-ab5e406e7d0e none swap sw 0 0
[06:42] <shadowhywind> double check that number with the number is disk & filesystem
[06:42] <shadowhywind> make sure that they are the same
[06:43] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: yes they are
[06:44] <shadowhywind> ok, you can close the fstab and the disk and filesystem
[06:44] <shadowhywind> you are using grub correct?
[06:44] <jeroenvrp> done
[06:44] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: off course
[06:44] <jeroenvrp> cd /boot/grub/.
[06:44] <jeroenvrp> cd /boot/grub/
[06:44] <jeroenvrp> yes
[06:44] <shadowhywind> do you also know what partition number the swap partition is, like /dev/sda7
[06:45] <jeroenvrp> # /dev/hdb1 -- converted during upgrade to edgy
[06:45] <shadowhywind> ok
[06:45] <jeroenvrp> let me doublecheck that
[06:45] <shadowhywind> in a terminal sudo <pico,kedit,gedit> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:46] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: s vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:46] <jeroenvrp> yes
[06:47] <shadowhywind> is kubuntu your default choice for grub?
[06:47] <sungam> hi
[06:47] <jeroenvrp> yes off course, no windows in my house
[06:48] <shadowhywind> ok halfway down, you sheed a # defoptions=
[06:48] <shadowhywind> at the end of that line, add resume=/dev/<your sdb2 or whatever>
[06:48] <shadowhywind> leave the # at the start of the line
[06:48] <jeroenvrp> ## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5
[06:48] <jeroenvrp> # defoptions=quiet splash
[06:49] <shadowhywind> nod, ad your resume=/dev/#
[06:49] <BluesKaj> there are several "disabled" mount points labelled "<mount040point> " in my disk filesystems list ..are these the unused kernel headers in the bootloader list ?
[06:49] <shadowhywind> depends on what they are BluesKaj, like swap says its disabled.. hehe
[06:50] <shadowhywind> once your done jeroenvrp scroll down to your kubuntu entries
[06:50] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: I changed it to this:
[06:50] <jeroenvrp> # defoptions=quiet splash
[06:50] <jeroenvrp> resume=/dev/hdb1
[06:50] <shadowhywind> is that all on one line?
[06:50] <jeroenvrp> no
[06:50] <shadowhywind> add it to one line
[06:50] <jeroenvrp> after the # defoptions=quiet splash
[06:50] <shadowhywind> yup
[06:50] <jeroenvrp> wait
[06:50] <shadowhywind> and hdb1 is your swap?
[06:51] <jeroenvrp> it should be # defoptions=quiet splash resume=/dev/hdb1
[06:51] <jeroenvrp> ?
[06:51] <shadowhywind> yup
[06:51] <jeroenvrp> so still a # before it?
[06:51] <rav3n> any idea how to mount my media card ...it's detected i see that in dmesgbut not automatically mounted...any help?
[06:51] <shadowhywind> yup
[06:51] <jeroenvrp> strange
[06:51] <jeroenvrp> so I dont use that
[06:51] <shadowhywind> yah it is, i don't know why its like it, but that is what i found, and it works so i don't complain
[06:52] <jeroenvrp> its a comment isnt
[06:52] <shadowhywind> i think the # lines are still being used in a way and ## are true comment outs
[06:52] <jeroenvrp> ah ok, I see it
[06:52] <shadowhywind> we still have one step to go if your ready?
[06:52] <jeroenvrp> yes
[06:52] <shadowhywind> i have no clue rav3n, sorry
[06:53] <shadowhywind> we are still in menu.lst, go to your kubuntu entries
[06:53] <BluesKaj> oops now i see , those the firewire and usb drives ...whew !
[06:53] <shadowhywind> if you want *just for safty sake* you can copy your defauly kubuntu enty and paste it under it.
[06:53] <jeroenvrp> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic
[06:53] <jeroenvrp> thats the one
[06:54] <shadowhywind> you should see the line root=UUID=<NUMBERS YAH!!!!> <other options> add that resume=/dev/sdb1 to the end of that line
[06:54] <x-demon> how i can restore etc/sudoers ?
[06:54] <jeroenvrp> root=UUID=0ca0d680-a06c-4f15-adb9-6706a00f14b1 ro single
[06:54] <jeroenvrp> so after single ?
[06:54] <x-demon> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 8
[06:54] <x-demon> how i can fix this???
[06:55] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: you mean esume=/dev/hdb1
[06:55] <jeroenvrp> resume=/dev/hdb1
[06:55] <shadowhywind> yup, make sure there is nothing after single *take for example your window being small and it moved to the nextline
[06:55] <x-demon> guys i need your help
[06:55] <shadowhywind> yah, hehe add your resume=/dev/hdb1
[06:55] <shadowhywind> x-demon, i haven't messed with sudoers, you can check adept see if there is a sudo package and reinstalling that
[06:56] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: its root=UUID=0ca0d680-a06c-4f15-adb9-6706a00f14b1 ro quiet splash
[06:56] <shadowhywind> k, add your resume to the end of that
[06:56] <jeroenvrp> to single is the recovery mode
[06:56] <x-demon> i cant log in in root
[06:56] <jeroenvrp> should I add it there to?
[06:56] <x-demon> help please!
[06:57] <shadowhywind> you could if you wanted to, I don't know i didn't do it, if i needed the recovery mode, i will most liekly want a fresh start
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> x-demon: what do you get?
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: ineed
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: ok ready
[06:57] <x-demon> i add line in sudoers
[06:57] <x-demon> etc/sudoers
[06:58] <shadowhywind> save, close and restart, your swap should mount, and when you hibernate it should all work
[06:58] <x-demon> and when i "sudo" i see this error : sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 8
[06:58] <shadowhywind> remove the line you added?
[06:58] <x-demon> i cant
[06:58] <shadowhywind> ?
[06:58] <shadowhywind> oh!
[06:58] <shadowhywind> lol
[06:58] <x-demon> sudo nano /etc/sudoers sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 8
[06:58] <jeroenvrp> or apt-get install su
[06:58] <shadowhywind> you need to use sudo to edit the file, lol!
[06:58] <x-demon> i cant
[06:58] <jeroenvrp> oh no
[06:58] <shadowhywind> this is what you can do
[06:58] <jeroenvrp> off course not
[06:59] <shadowhywind> x-demon, open konquror to /etc/ right click on sudorers go to actions and edit as root
[06:59] <shadowhywind> and see if that works
[06:59] <shadowhywind> or
[06:59] <shadowhywind> if that doesn't work
[06:59] <shadowhywind> reboot and chose recovery, that will automatically log you in as root
[07:00] <x-demon> doesnt work
[07:00] <x-demon> ok
[07:00] <x-demon> yhx
[07:00] <x-demon> trying
[07:00] <shadowhywind> yup
[07:00] <rav3n> tell you wht guys :D am having 4 problems for edgy to work flawlessly..... Printing an A4 size paper, letting frostwire establishing connection,Making my media card work and finally, letting azureus work...at least help me wiz any of these...
[07:00] <shadowhywind> so jeroenvrp you restarting that comp?
[07:00] <rav3n> ?
[07:00] <jeroenvrp> or your live cd
[07:00] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: yes let me relogin with ssh
[07:00] <shadowhywind> rav3n azureus starts and crashs doesn't it?
[07:00] <rav3n> yess
[07:01] <shadowhywind> 2 ways to fix
[07:01] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: ok I go to that PC to my right and do a hibernate
[07:01] <jeroenvrp> oh wait
[07:01] <rav3n> shadowhywind: ??
[07:01] <shadowhywind> 1) download the azureus from there website, extract it, and put the azurerus file in /bin<whatever>
[07:01] <jeroenvrp> it has hibernated :_)
[07:01] <shadowhywind> jeroenvrp restart first, hehe
[07:01] <shadowhywind> oh hehe well that good then
[07:02] <jeroenvrp> yes but I allready hibernate before it
[07:02] <jeroenvrp> so it was still there
[07:02] <shadowhywind> or 2) uninstall the package, and download it from the website
[07:02] <jeroenvrp> ok I hibernated again, so I can actually see whats going on
[07:02] <shadowhywind> i had to do that last night
[07:02] <shadowhywind> hehe
[07:02] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: mmm
[07:03] <shadowhywind> rav3n followering?
[07:03] <DaSkreech> two of them sound network related. is your network ok?
[07:03] <shadowhywind> jeroenvrp ??
[07:03] <jeroenvrp> I now have a black screen with grub>
[07:03] <shadowhywind> ?!?!?!
[07:03] <shadowhywind> any cd's in ?
[07:03] <jeroenvrp> mpo
[07:03] <jeroenvrp> no
[07:03] <jeroenvrp> and locked
[07:03] <shadowhywind> do a hard reboot and try again, nothing we did should have done that
[07:04] <jeroenvrp> fuck it
[07:04] <jeroenvrp> cant boot anymore
[07:04] <rav3n> shadowhywind: yep
[07:04] <DaSkreech> !language | jeroenvrp
[07:04] <ubotu> jeroenvrp: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:04] <shadowhywind> *cries* it shoulkdn't have done it..
[07:04] <jeroenvrp> oeps
[07:04] <x-demon> ooh
[07:04] <shadowhywind> *scoldes jeroenvrp*
[07:04] <x-demon> thx
[07:04] <x-demon> its working
[07:04] <rav3n> shadowhywind: after putting it in bin???
[07:04] <shadowhywind> glad that it is working, x-demon
[07:05] <x-demon> how i can install selinux on kubuntu?
[07:05] <shadowhywind> one second, bin isn't the right folder
[07:05] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: and now
[07:05] <x-demon> i m novice and only 14 years old
[07:05] <jeroenvrp> let me try a live cd
[07:06] <x-demon> !selinux
[07:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about selinux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:06] <shadowhywind> rav3n as i am looking for the folder, do you know where azurerus is stored?
[07:06] <x-demon> !lids
[07:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lids - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:06] <x-demon> !grsecurity
[07:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about grsecurity - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:06] <kalero> hello
[07:06] <DaSkreech> !fishing > x-demon
[07:06] <x-demon> how i can install selinux?
[07:06] <shadowhywind> do a search for azurerus
[07:06] <|WAL|> what's the difference between 6.06 LTS Server and PC edition CD's?
[07:07] <rav3n> shadowhywind: i find azureus2.jat in /usr/bin/java/
[07:07] <Digital_Pioneer> How can I transfer all my settings from one Kubuntu Dapper to another Kubuntu Edgy?
[07:07] <rav3n> jar*
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Digital_Pioneer: save your /etc folder and your home folder
[07:07] <shadowhywind> any just plan azureus
[07:07] <T3hWiz0rd> Digital_Pioneer: copy over all your .folders in /home/
[07:07] <pelle1> hi, im currently using edgy beta on my laptop and i wonder what i have to do to upgrade to the non beta edgy release? apt-get update && apt-get dis-upgrade?
[07:08] <Digital_Pioneer> T3hWiz0rd: Can I do something like cp -r .*?
[07:08] <rav3n> pelle1: change all ur sources.list   to edgy instead of htever was there for me i had to change every DAPPER to edgy
[07:08] <T3hWiz0rd> Digital_Pioneer: you can copy them all yeah.
[07:08] <rav3n> and then sudo apt-get update   then   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:08] <jeroenvrp> huh
[07:08] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: thats strange
[07:09] <shadowhywind> whats happening?
[07:09] <jeroenvrp> my keyboard was in the left (green) connector
[07:10] <jeroenvrp> as always
[07:10] <jeroenvrp> I mean in the right
[07:10] <jeroenvrp> now its in the left and my keyboard works again
[07:10] <shadowhywind> lol
[07:10] <rav3n> shadowhywind: any ideas so far????
[07:11] <jeroenvrp> ok I'm back at the grub>
[07:11] <shadowhywind> rav3n, which idea are going for, just replace one file, or just to use the full version from the website?
[07:11] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: I will be back in 10 min
[07:11] <shadowhywind> jero, livecd or not
[07:11] <shadowhywind> i will be gone in 10 have to go to class soon
[07:11] <rav3n> shadowhywind: whtever u prefer, guide to the one easiest for you
[07:12] <rav3n> easier*
[07:12] <fastbacon> can anyone help me with my network problem with 6.10?
[07:12] <shadowhywind> what i just did, was downloaded the tar from the website, extracted and just ran it there *after i uninstalled the package*
[07:12] <shadowhywind> its the same fricken version and all
[07:13] <shadowhywind> let me look at something real quick, in anycase you have to download the tar from the website
[07:13] <rav3n> shadowhywind: ok
[07:13] <emanuele11> Hi everybody! I can't read mp3s since I upgraded to Edgy. What should I do?
[07:13] <rav3n> shadowhywind: i guess it's only jar available no tar...
[07:14] <h3sp4wn> fastbacon: What network problem
[07:14] <fastbacon> i cant connect to my wireless router on my laptop
[07:14] <h3sp4wn> fastbacon: wpa ?
[07:14] <fastbacon> sorry, wap?
[07:14] <fastbacon> wpa?
[07:14] <pelle1> thanks for help, trying upgrade now
[07:15] <shadowhywind> there is a tar
[07:15] <h3sp4wn> !wpa
[07:15] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:15] <shadowhywind> let me look qucik
[07:15] <DaSkreech> emanuele11: try reinstalling libxine-extracodecs
[07:15] <emanuele11> ok, I'll try it now!
[07:15] <h3sp4wn> fastbacon: wpa is a type of encryption using wifi with no encryption or wep encryption is foolish
[07:15] <emanuele11> (apt-get ........ libxine
[07:15] <emanuele11> true?
[07:16] <shadowhywind> rav3n http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/azureus/Azureus_2.5.0.0_linux.tar.bz2?download
[07:16] <fastbacon> its a netgear router... i have the wep ID and password but cant get it to work
[07:16] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: baCK
[07:16] <jeroenvrp> ok
[07:16] <jeroenvrp> proberly I did something wrong
[07:16] <jeroenvrp> let me try indeed the live cd
[07:17] <shadowhywind> jero, you in live cd, or is regular working now?
[07:17] <fastbacon> im back
[07:17] <emanuele11> DaSkreech: what I have to digit after apt-get to reinstall libxine-extracodecs?
[07:17] <shadowhywind> rav3n once you finish download, extract it,
[07:17] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: booting live cd now
[07:17] <emanuele11> Ciao Davide!
[07:17] <DaSkreech> emanuele11: Eh?
[07:18] <rav3n> shadowhywind: okay...
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> emanuele11: apt-get install --reinstall
[07:18] <emanuele11> install --reinstall?
[07:18] <emanuele11> are you sure?
[07:18] <shadowhywind> also in a terminal do sudo konqueror /bin
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> emanuele11: certain
[07:19] <shadowhywind> this should open konqueror to your bin directory, see if you have a azureus in there, (or how ever its supposed to be spelt*
[07:19] <emanuele11> hehehe... it works!
[07:19] <rav3n> shadowhywind: hold on , am checking now
[07:19] <shadowhywind> k
[07:19] <fon_Zograf> plz HELP Russian =)  http://forum.ubuntu.ru/index.php?topic=5040.0
[07:20] <rav3n> shadowhywind: not there
[07:20] <LjL> !ru | fon_Zograf
[07:20] <ubotu> fon_Zograf: Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke. Russian users please try #ubuntu-ru, there you may get more help
[07:20] <LjL> fon_Zograf, could you please type that thing above in cyrillic characters for me please?
[07:20] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: live cd (dapper) loaded
[07:21] <emanuele11> bye!
[07:21] <shadowhywind> *ponders* try looking in /usr/bin
[07:21] <shadowhywind> jeroenvrp go to storage media and go to your linux directory /boot/grub and double check things in there
[07:23] <vikke> this may seem classic but still i have it: "Configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" when i try to compile, what is the problem?
[07:23] <shadowhywind> any luck yet rav3n
[07:23] <rav3n> brb
[07:23] <shadowhywind> vikke instal gcc i think it is
[07:24] <shadowhywind> jeroenvrp anything out the weridness in menu.lst?
[07:24] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: Ive mounted the root and I see in /boot/grub a red menu.lst with ? ? ? before it
[07:24] <vikke> shadowhywind: i have installed build-essentials and xorg-dev
[07:24] <fastbacon> this network is pissing me off
[07:24] <shadowhywind> yah, but gcc is a c comipler
[07:24] <shadowhywind> werid!!!
[07:24] <jeroenvrp> but also a menu.lst~
[07:24] <jeroenvrp> so I can copy that back
[07:25] <shadowhywind> the menu.ls~ is your backup
[07:25] <jeroenvrp> and I want to forget about hibernate
[07:25] <fastbacon> should i install kubuntu first before i deal with my network problem or does it matter I'm using a boot DVD?
[07:25] <vikke> shadowhywind: okay so i just install the package 'gcc'?
[07:25] <shadowhywind> yah, or just rename and delete the ~
[07:25] <shadowhywind> yup
[07:25] <jeroenvrp> and I want to know how to disable that option in the kde-exit-menu
[07:25] <DaSkreech> fastbacon: Might help if it's insalled but really doesn't matter
[07:26] <shadowhywind> how to disable it, i don't know. there has to be a way, i am not sure
[07:26] <fastbacon> well i went through most of the docs for wirless on ubuntu site and still wont work
[07:26] <h3sp4wn> fastbacon: man wireless (if you are using wep that is all you will need)
[07:26] <shadowhywind> wireless will mostly only work if installed, sense you need to install ndiswrapper and stuff like that
[07:26] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: I can't remove menu.lst
[07:26] <jeroenvrp> as the live cd root user
[07:26] <h3sp4wn> fastbacon: However you should use wpa /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz (on edgy) just README.modes on dapper
[07:27] <B-Minus> anyone knows a good multiplayer game for linux ?
[07:27] <shadowhywind> in a terminal do sudo konqueror and then navigate your way back over
[07:27] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: ?
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> running konqueror with sudo is a stupid thing to do
[07:28] <shadowhywind> sudo konqueror will bring up a root version, so you should be able to make any chances to that file
[07:28] <kharloss> hi there. I have a computer using a Xeon 2,4 CPU at 500 Mhz FSB.  now it`s hard to buy one at 500 FSB , i bought one at 800 FSB , but not starting.
[07:28] <kharloss> any ideeas ?
[07:28] <kharloss> i can`t afford a new mainboard , can i do anything with my MB ?  something lyke downgrading FSB ?
[07:28] <rav3n> shadowhywind: it worked i downloaded it and just launhed it from the source
[07:28] <shadowhywind> hehe, from the source it works perfectly, hehe
[07:29] <rav3n> thanks shadohywind
[07:29] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: no I cant
[07:29] <h3sp4wn> shadowhywind: never syggest running kde graphical apps with sudo
[07:29] <rav3n> thanks shadowhywind
[07:29] <shadowhywind> if you find the azureus file on your computer, you should be able to take the one from the source and put it in there and it should work
[07:29] <rav3n> rav3n
[07:29] <jeroenvrp> I try to do a chroot now
[07:29] <rav3n> :D bye
[07:29] <h3sp4wn> rav3n: use kdesu not sudo
[07:29] <shadowhywind> h3sp4wn the reason why i suggested it was he is in a live cd,
[07:30] <dognews> hi, is this guide fine for installing the right driver for my ati card (using edgy)? http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide
[07:30] <DaSkreech> !kdesu
[07:30] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[07:30] <jeroenvrp> it still says 'permission denied'
[07:30] <shadowhywind> i will have to remember that, hehe
[07:31] <shadowhywind> are you sure your looking at the right menu.lst not the livecd version
[07:31] <Ayabara_> I just reformatted my "/mnt/storage" from fat32 to ext3. how do I change my /etc/fstab? I want it to mount /dev/sda3 in /mnt/storage at boot
[07:32] <vikke> !gcc
[07:32] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:33] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: I will not overwrite that file
[07:33] <jeroenvrp> konqueror does not even list it
[07:33] <shadowhywind> ?
[07:34] <shadowhywind> i don't know anymore, i am out of ideas
[07:34] <jeroenvrp> very strange, its like its locked
[07:34] <jeroenvrp> is there no way to flush the hibernated data?
[07:34] <shadowhywind> i know its strange, can you create a new menu.lst?
[07:34] <shadowhywind> well its not hibernate data, because your not even getting to grub
[07:34] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: no because it cant be overwriiten
[07:35] <shadowhywind> when you hibernate you still get the grub screen first
[07:35] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: after I did yes
[07:35] <jeroenvrp> menu.lst cant be accessed
[07:35] <jeroenvrp> thats why it wont continue
[07:36] <jeroenvrp> is there no way to tell grub to use another menu.st-file
[07:36] <shadowhywind> ande when you boot the computer you get the grub list? or just the black screen
[07:36] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: the black screen with: grub>
[07:36] <DaSkreech> H8 Kopete
[07:36] <shadowhywind> oh you get the grub prompt
[07:37] <shadowhywind> I do not know what the command is, you will have to ask in here or on line, to reconfigure grub
[07:37] <h3sp4wn> it is usually update-grub
[07:37] <h3sp4wn> but if its wrong you need to fix it first
[07:38] <shadowhywind> but how can get fix it if it wont let him
[07:38] <RawSewage> what should I use for audio editing in Kubuntu:  Audacity or Jokosher.  When I went to install Jokosher, it needed tons of GNOME libraries
[07:39] <RawSewage> so I didnt install it
[07:39] <jeroenvrp> indeed its red, with  ? ? ? ? ? before it
[07:39] <jeroenvrp> oh maybe a filechk
[07:39] <shadowhywind> i like audocity, mind you i don't do all that much audio editing
[07:39] <DaSkreech> try jack
[07:40] <RawSewage> Jack isnt audio editing software
[07:40] <shadowhywind> audiocity, you can also have plugins, which you need to install if you want mp3 support with it
[07:40] <RawSewage> Jack connects diff apps together
[07:40] <shadowhywind> jeroenvrp i know its a long shot, restart and try the live cd again
[07:40] <RawSewage> shadowhywind: is AudioCity diff than Audacity
[07:40] <shadowhywind> theres a difference?
[07:40] <fastbacon> h3sp4wn: I'm going in circles... very new to kubuntu. Where do I find this WPA supplement?
[07:40] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: I'm still in the live cd
[07:40] <shadowhywind> i mean theres two programs?
[07:41] <DaSkreech> !wpa
[07:41] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:41] <jeroenvrp> trying fsck
[07:41] <RawSewage> shadowhywind: I guess not.  It's Audacity
[07:41] <jeroenvrp> it found 1 corruption
[07:41] <RawSewage> Jokosher looks nice though, and has very active development, and designed for Linux
[07:41] <shadowhywind> hehe, i get programs namess messed up all the time, audacity is nice and it does what i need, and its cross platfom
[07:41] <RawSewage> ok
[07:42] <RawSewage> http://www.jokosher.org/
[07:42] <shadowhywind> jeroen vrp hopefully the corruption is that
[07:43] <fastbacon> ubotu: I went through the wifi doc and still no go... does it matter I have AMD 64 version?
[07:43] <shadowhywind> I have to run to class, Jeroenvrp I will be back later  *couple of hours* , Hopefully things will work out for you
[07:43] <shadowhywind> fastbacon yes
[07:43] <shadowhywind> depending on your wireless card, most likely you don't have 64-bit wireless drivers
[07:44] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: thanks
[07:44] <fastbacon> oh boy, so whats the next step?
[07:44] <jeroenvrp> the machine is here for long
[07:44] <shadowhywind> jeroenvrp hopefully i wont see you when i come back, becuase you will have it fixed *smiles*
[07:45] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: I will let you now
[07:45] <jeroenvrp> thanks for great help!
[07:45] <shadowhywind> fastbacon google search with your wireless card chip number and hopefully someone found the drivers for 64-bit you can do a google search for ndiswrapper list and look in that list
[07:45] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: I'm always on freenode btw
[07:45] <shadowhywind> so am i, hehe when ever my laptop is on that is.. hehe
[07:46] <jeroenvrp> shadowhywind: my PC is always on
[07:46] <fastbacon> shadow: okay thanks for spelling it out. but please tell me i wont have to go through this everytime i want to connect to a wifi connection?
[07:49] <deejay> Hi people, how can I install Firefox and Thunderbird on kubuntu?
[07:49] <fastbacon> as far as i know, yes
[07:51] <vikke> err, is there a not complicated way to use wine on amd64?
[07:51] <trappist> vikke: if setting up a 32bit chroot is complicated, no
[07:52] <deejay> Hi people, how can I install Firefox and Thunderbird on kubuntu?
[07:52] <deejay> [19:49]  <fastbacon> as far as i know, yes
[07:52] <trappist> it's probably possible to make a 32bit wine build that would work on amd64, but afaik nobody's done it
[07:52] <vikke> trappist: well, i tried this guide, but i think it was for ubuntu so it didnt work out too well
[07:53] <vikke> trappist: do you know a good guide to set up 32bit chroot, i use edgy
[07:53] <trappist> vikke: I just run wine (and acroread, and firefox, and mplayer etc.) from a 32bit chroot, and it keeps me very happy
[07:54] <trappist> !chroot
[07:54] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[07:54] <vikke> now why didnt i find that..., thanks anyway ill try that :)
[07:55] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[07:56] <dinosaur-rus> when is Gaim package going to be updated? (nothing bad, just a question)
[07:59] <shadowhywind> hay i am back for a second.
[07:59] <RawSewage> how does Ogg quality setting 5 compare to mp3 128/44
[07:59] <arriesp> xao genteee talueeeeee
[07:59] <shadowhywind> what is the difference using sudo and kdesu
[07:59] <shadowhywind> !kdesu
[07:59] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[08:00] <shadowhywind> or i should say, is it ok to run kdesu to run just a normal command that needs sudo?
[08:02] <fastbacon> shadowhywind: this is what i came up with. i have virtually the same computer as this guy and exact wireless chipset. should i follow these instructions? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31926&highlight=ndiswrapper
[08:02] <RawSewage> ok
[08:02] <RawSewage> so use kdesu for GRAPHICAL apps, and sudo for console apps
[08:02] <RawSewage> thats good to know
[08:03] <trappist> kdesu for graphical kde apps... gksudo for gnome/gtk apps
[08:04] <trappist> yeah I dunno why they don't do that
[08:04] <trappist> I guess the same reason there's no 64bit acroread/flash/etc.
[08:05] <trappist> whatever that is
[08:05] <dinosaur-rus> trappist: just currently Opera is a bit buggy in my 64-bit Linux
[08:05] <caseyomah> What is the syntax to mount by drive label?
[08:06] <trappist> dinosaur-rus: works fine here, except I hate the way opera selects the tab to focus when I close another tab... not arch-specific, though
[08:06] <trappist> CaseyOmah: what do you mean by label?
[08:06] <caseyomah> I have a thumbdrive digitally labeled "KINGSTON"
[08:07] <caseyomah> It says "KINGSTON" in the autoplay.
[08:07] <trappist> oh, I dunno - it should be auto-mounted when you insert it
[08:08] <dinosaur-rus> trappist: I mean it doesn't have fonts antialiasing and progress bar works a bit not as expected :)
[08:13] <faLUCE> Hi.. I can't hear the audio from the player plugged in mozilla... any suggestion? since yesterday it worked. I have reinstalled mozilla as well the flash-plugin but it doesn't work yet....
[08:17] <Eruantalon> What is the quickest way to get phpmyadmin running in kubuntu edgy eft? I have already done: apt-get install phpmyadmin php apache php4-mysql
[08:29] <james009> hellho... and good night, from portugal.
[08:31] <james009> my kubuntu time is two days. so, this may be a very dumb question... how the hell i install KDM theme manager... i haved tried every thing
[08:31] <trappist> james009: sudo apt-get install kdmtheme
[08:31] <gemidjy> edgy default style is plastic ?
[08:31] <gemidjy> wtf
[08:32] <james009> Reading package lists... Done
[08:32] <james009> Building dependency tree
[08:32] <james009> Reading state information... Done
[08:32] <james009> kdmtheme is already the newest version.
[08:32] <trappist> gemidjy: yell (politely) in #kubuntu-artwork if you think it's a bad idea.  it won't be changed for edgy, but maybe you can make an argument for feisty
[08:33] <trappist> james009: well there you go :)
[08:33] <james009> hummm... so...its instaladed ?
[08:33] <gemidjy> trappist: what made u think I wanna yell ?
[08:33] <gemidjy> I was just amazed
[08:33] <trappist> james009: kcmshell kdmtheme
[08:33] <james009> trappist: kcmshell: cannot connect to X server
[08:34] <trappist> gemidjy: sorry, you sounded shocked and dismayed :)
[08:34] <trappist> james009: are you root or something?
[08:34] <yeti> i installed squid and it was automatically added to all runlevels. is there any more convenient way to stop kubuntu from autostarting it everytime i boot than removing it by hand from every single runlevel?
[08:34] <james009> in console i am
[08:34] <trappist> james009: that's why
[08:34] <gemidjy> trappist: I am shocked how Edgy series went backwards
[08:34] <james009> trappist: i am in console
[08:34] <trappist> james009: if you want to run it as root, kdesu kcmshell kdmtheme
[08:34] <gemidjy> Dapper was great OS, Edgy is argh
[08:34] <james009> trappist: same msg
[08:35] <yeti> gemidjy: what makes you think so? edgy is running so much better than dapper over here.
[08:35] <gemidjy> yeti: many things are worse
[08:35] <trappist> gemidjy: dapper was meant to be rock-solid, for long term support.  edgy was meant to be... edgy.  so, a lot of real progress has been made, but not as solid as dapper.
[08:35] <gemidjy> hah
[08:35] <sloef> does anyone else have some problems when upgrading to kernel 2.6.17?
[08:36] <yeti> trappist: dapper was so rock-solid it didn't even come with a gamin that used inotify by default [i'm actually unsure whether edgy does this...] 
[08:36] <harmental> me
[08:36] <james009> trappist: it was supose to apper in system settings... must i do reboot?
[08:36] <caseyomah> I had trouble dist-upgrading, but ISO install Edgy was sweet.
[08:36] <sloef> After the kernel finds the USB hubs, it will relentlessly try to read something from my hd (when I use kernel 2.6.15-20, it works fine)
[08:36] <[cf] nightrid3r> if you want to live on the cutting edge, expect to get cut by the edge :)
[08:37] <trappist> yeti: iirc dapper gamin used inotify except for certain directories, like /mnt
[08:37] <gemidjy> trappist: #kubuntu-artwork doesn't exist
[08:37] <trappist> gemidjy: maybe #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-artwork, then.. sorry :)
[08:37] <alumno> ?
[08:37] <trappist> alumno: .
[08:38] <caseyomah> sloef: I have a USB hub in my USB Keyboard (primary/sole keyboard) and I don't have constant HDD read.
[08:39] <sybux> hi, I've updated to edgy like explain on kubuntu web site but I've got some mistake with all python packages
[08:39] <jeroenvrp> what is the default filesystem in kubuntu?
[08:39] <caseyomah> sloef: Maybe if you plug in the hub before boot...?
[08:39] <jeroenvrp> reiserfs or ext3
[08:39] <dmill> jeroenvrp - ext3
[08:39] <jeroenvrp> dmill: ok
[08:39] <jeroenvrp> thanks
[08:39] <jeroenvrp> I have reiserfs and I want ext3
[08:40] <dmill> jeroenvrp: whats the difference?
[08:40] <jeroenvrp> dmill: people complain about reiserfs
[08:40] <jeroenvrp> i just want the best
[08:41] <ilja> Hi! I'm having a little problem. When I boot Kubuntu Edgy, KDE won't come up unless I press ALT+F7. What could be wrong an d how can I fix it?
[08:42] <jeroenvrp> I have a PC here and I did a fsck.reiserfs --rebuild-tree (as advised) on root and now it gives a kernel panic during bootup
[08:42] <jeroenvrp> so I'm going to reinstall and try to use the default: ext3
[08:42] <[cf] nightrid3r> jeroenvrp: seems the best
[08:43] <james009> trappist: it was supose to apper in system settings... must i do reboot?
[08:43] <sybux> any1 know how to upgrade python package in edgy ? there are 36 packages marked for upgrade in my apt but they won't
[08:43] <jeroenvrp> [cf] nightrid3r: I also want to use it, because almost every ubuntu-users is using it
[08:44] <gemidjy> smells like return-to-dapper
[08:44] <dmill> jeroenvrp: the only problem i have with ext3 is that it forces a slow health check/diagnostics every 30 mounts/boots
[08:44] <jeroenvrp> dmill: thats no problem
[08:44] <[cf] nightrid3r> jeroenvrp: reiserfs is cool but is it already stable enough?
[08:44] <dmill> nah, just annoying :)
[08:44] <blueyed> dmill: see "man tune2fs"
[08:45] <blueyed> [cf] nightrid3r: reiserfs (Reiser3) is stable. Reiser4 is a complete rewrite.
[08:45] <dmill> blueyed: sweet, nice one!
[08:46] <h3sp4wn> The only problem I have with reiserfs (3) is it takes ages to mount alot of partitions at bootup
[08:46] <[cf] nightrid3r> i must realy update my knowledge
[08:46] <starpause> when i try and upgrade with aptitude i get a long list of errors ... http://rafb.net/paste/results/tbNc0Y87.html any idea how to clean this mess?
[08:46] <h3sp4wn> (use JFS now which is pretty good)
[08:49] <blueyed> starpause: does "dpkg -S museek" show up any package on your system?
[08:50] <sloef> caseyomah: it's the "hub" on my motherboard
[08:50] <sloef> caseyomah: sorry for late reply ... nature called (and I had to answer)
[08:51] <blueyed> starpause: seems there's a ":" missing there in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/museek/messages.py - try just adding it ; but first see which package it belongs to.
[08:51] <kaflan> does any1 know tool that can replace Adept? Couse adept IMHO too worst
[08:51] <[cf] nightrid3r> kaflan: synaptic
[08:51] <kaflan> its GUI?
[08:51] <[cf] nightrid3r> yes
[08:52] <kaflan> how to get it by apt-get?
[08:52] <blueyed> kaflan: should be there already.
[08:52] <[cf] nightrid3r> kaflan: i don't kow if its in the ubuntu repo's but you can find it on debian repo's
[08:54] <kaflan> synaptic is no in my default kubuntu install
[08:54] <kaflan> oh, i`m wrong
[08:55] <kaflan> its here
[08:55] <kaflan> alt+f2 -> kdesu synaptic
[08:56] <kaflan> synaptic is greate tool! thx a lot
[08:58] <simon__> I have a problem with amarok.  The status bar display at the bottom of the main window is showing XML or HTML code instead of normal text.  It only has does this when displaying the currently playing track. any ideas?
[08:58] <snikker> in edgy i'm unable to see the boot informations like in dapper... why?
[08:59] <starpause> blueyed: it's a soulseek client ... i put the colon in and now it looks like packages are updating! thanks a lot :)
[08:59] <fastbacon> where can i get the latest linux headers deb file for 64bit 6.10?
[09:00] <dmill> fastbacon: have you tried packages.ubuntu.com ?
[09:00] <fastbacon> i am completely new so not sure what that is
[09:01] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: if your new then you'll have a hard time useing the kernel headers
[09:01] <sybux> any1 know how to upgrade python package in edgy ? there are 36 packages marked for upgrade in my apt but they won't
[09:01] <[cf] nightrid3r> sybux: apt-get upgrade
[09:02] <sybux> [cf] nightrid3r: it fails
[09:02] <fastbacon> cf] nightrid3: could you help me out a sec with my wireless network problem?
[09:03] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: i dont know much about wireless on linux
[09:03] <fastbacon> eh. having problems with 64 bit version 6.1
[09:04] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: wireless card not recognised by kernel ??
[09:04] <fastbacon> as far as i can tell, yeah
[09:04] <dmill> fastbacon: i've just looked on adept, and I can't see any linux-headers for 64bit. Sorry  :(
[09:04] <[cf] nightrid3r> see if you have 64bit windows drivers and use ndiswrapper
[09:06] <fastbacon> [cf] nightrid3r: i have the driver and its on my kubuntu desktop (name.inf)
[09:06] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: thats only one part, are there any more files
[09:07] <fastbacon> [cf] nightrid3r: should i use the .exe whole file?
[09:07] <[cf] nightrid3r> the driver is in the exe file so you have to find a way to extract it
[09:08] <dmill> is it just me, or has all the panel/taskbar/kmenu options disappeared from System Settings?
[09:08] <fastbacon> [cf] nightrid3r: i could be wrong, but isnt the driver just one file? filename.inf?
[09:08] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: no that's only the description M$ uses to load the driver
[09:09] <fastbacon> [cf] nightrid3r: can you check out this forum post and let me know if I'm on the right track? I ahve the same computer specs as the poster...  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31926&highlight=ndiswrapper
[09:09] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: sometimes that is enough if only to point out that card A works with card B drivers
[09:10] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: that should get you going
[09:11] <fastbacon> its just that step 2 says something about linux headers
[09:11] <firebird619> I am having problems with Kubuntu. I just did a clean install and already the screen all of a sudden went blank and now is showing random streaks of colors.
[09:12] <firebird619> I can't get anywhere with Ctrl+Alt+F1 either.
[09:12] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: its for an older version of ubuntu so if you have a more recent version you can skip the part of installing ndiswrapper
[09:14] <fastbacon> [cf] nightrid3r: so basically skip to step 4
[09:14] <[cf] nightrid3r> yes
[09:15] <fastbacon>  [cf] nightrid3r: alright now comes the fun part and actually doing this. thanks a lot for your help
[09:15] <[cf] nightrid3r> np
[09:15] <ilja> Hi! I'm having a little problem. When I boot Kubuntu Edgy, KDE won't come up unless I press ALT+F7. What could be wrong and how can I fix it?
[09:18] <fastbacon> whats the directory for kubuntu desktop?
[09:18] <[cf] nightrid3r> ~/Desktop
[09:21] <fastbacon>  [cf] nightrid3r:: it says ndiswrapper: command not found
[09:21] <snikker> anyone is able to see the boot informations text in dapper?
[09:22] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[09:24] <fastbacon>  [cf] nightrid3r: just out of curiosity, should I install Kubuntu first, instead of testing on the Boot DVD?
[09:25] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: i guess that installing will work best since you already are missing some packages
[09:26] <fastbacon>  [cf] nightrid3r:: if for some reason i want to uninstall Kubuntu if things dont work out, is it easy?
[09:26] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: are you dualbooting
[09:26] <fastbacon> yes
[09:26] <[cf] nightrid3r> hmm not easy :/
[09:27] <fastbacon>  [cf] nightrid3r:: maybe I'll give up until some of these 64bit bugs are worked out. Thanks again :)
[09:29] <anna> salu
[09:29] <N3CR0> hi todos
[09:30] <anna> a parle franais ici ou anglais ?
[09:30] <N3CR0> spanish
[09:30] <N3CR0> :D
[09:30] <anna> come va ?
[09:31] <N3CR0> tu parle france
[09:31] <anna> :p
[09:31] <anna> oui
[09:31] <N3CR0> :o
[09:31] <anna> et toi ?
[09:31] <tibal> hi :)
[09:31] <N3CR0> mm ne
[09:32] <anna> from where are you N3CR0 ?
[09:32] <N3CR0> peru
[09:32] <N3CR0> you? france?
[09:32] <anna> :D excellent !
[09:32] <anna> yes
[09:33] <anna> you are from very long distance from me
[09:33] <anna> you leave in a city ?
[09:34] <N3CR0> yes
[09:34] <N3CR0> :D
[09:34] <anna> which city ?
[09:34] <tibal> why is libxine-extracodecs missing on edgy ?
[09:34] <N3CR0> lima
[09:34] <N3CR0> you?
[09:35] <anna> strasbourg
[09:35] <anna> you know it ?
[09:35] <apokryphos> !info libxine-extracodecs
[09:35] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[09:35] <apokryphos> not missing
[09:35] <N3CR0> no :)
[09:35] <anna> i'm searching the city lima in internet
[09:35] <yeti> tibal: it's not missing. maybe you did not add multiverse/universe to your apt sources.
[09:35] <anna> wao
[09:35] <N3CR0> :D
[09:35] <pointwood> anyone here using kontact on imap mailboxes?
[09:35] <tibal> i'm going to check... but i was sure :)
[09:36] <tibal> pointwood: i do
[09:36] <pointwood> tibal: is it horrible slow for you too?
[09:36] <N3CR0> what you dedicate
[09:37] <tibal> pointwood: no but with some servers it doesn't work or after a lot of attemps
[09:37] <anna> i'm sorry... I don't understand your answer...
[09:38] <pointwood> tibal: hrm...are there a list of servers that it doesn't work with?
[09:38] <anna> how is lima ?
[09:38] <pointwood> tibal: Thunderbird have no problems
[09:38] <tibal> pointwood: i don't know, but i experienced difficulties with 1And1 hosting servers
[09:39] <pointwood> k
[09:40] <tibal> i don't know why but i think they limit the number of connections or something, and kmail (or kio plugins...) seems very agressive against imap servers
[09:40] <pointwood> hrm
[09:40] <sdy> !nl
[09:40] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[09:41] <sdy> join #ubuntu-nl
[09:41] <N3CR0> big and interesting :D
[09:41] <sdy> mmh
[09:41] <N3CR0>   it would not know like describing it
[09:42] <anna> how you spend time ? what are your hobbies ?
[09:42] <anna> no problem, I have found it in internet :D
[09:42] <N3CR0> :D oks
[09:42] <tibal> anna: t'es d'ou ?
[09:42] <N3CR0> good..
[09:42] <N3CR0> I  play guitar
[09:43] <N3CR0> draw
[09:43] <tibal> N3CR0: you draw guitars ?
[09:43] <N3CR0> no
[09:43] <tibal> :o)
[09:43] <anna> france
[09:44] <tibal> hum... c'est prcis :D
[09:44] <N3CR0> y play guitar
[09:44] <anna> :)
[09:44] <anna> good
[09:44] <trappist> anna, N3CR0 et al: #kubuntu-offtopic please
[09:45] <anna> euh... c la premire fois que je viens : a veut dire quoi ?
[09:45] <N3CR0> :D
[09:45] <anna> what kind of music you play ?
[09:45] <tibal> anna: a veut dire que c'est pas un endroit pour parler de tout et n'importe quoi, juste de kubuntu
[09:46] <anna> ah ok, je savais pas, dsole
[09:46] <N3CR0> rock
[09:46] <anna> comment on fait si on veut discuter d'autre chose ?
[09:46] <tibal> anna: il faut aller sur un canal de discution sur le sujet
[09:46] <|lostbyte|> !fr
[09:46] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:47] <N3CR0> hola alguien k me pueda ayudar con unos problemas
[09:47] <tibal> anna: cliques sur les noms de canaux que viens e donner ubotu
[09:47] <ilja> Hi! I'm having a little problem. When I boot Kubuntu Edgy, KDE won't come up unless I press ALT+F7. What could be wrong and how can I fix it?
[09:47] <N3CR0> mi pc no lee las mirrors
[09:47] <N3CR0> ninguna
[09:48] <N3CR0> pongo apt-get update y sale k no se conecta nunguna de las tantes k esta en la lista
[09:48] <N3CR0> si alguien tiene usa solucion enviemela a ezv2003@hot
[09:48] <N3CR0> bye
[09:48] <tibal> N3CR0: utiliza mirrors de tu pays
[09:49] <snikker> for a faster system, is better the ext3 fs, or xfs fs?
[09:49] <tibal> snikker: what is the use of this system ?
[09:50] <trappist> snikker: it's pretty close.  I use reiserfs because it's really fast with lots of small files, and it's really good about not wasting space.
[09:50] <snikker> tibal: normal home use
[09:50] <tibal> snikker: then ext3 is better
[09:51] <pointwood> tibal: ohh...seems "disconnected imap" doesn't quite work in kontact/kmail :)
[09:51] <RawSewage> what do I use to convert a directory of multiple file types to ogg
[09:51] <snikker> trappist: raiserfs, is better than ext3?
[09:51] <RawSewage> the directory has .wav, flac, mp3, etc
[09:51] <tibal> pointwood: i never used disconnected imap, only the normal imap
[09:52] <harmental> im upgrading to edgy....everything went smoothly.....but i get this when trying to install kubuntu-desktop
[09:52] <pointwood> tibal: next up, testing whether I prefer Kontact over thunderbird :)
[09:52] <harmental> kubuntu-desktop: Depends: xorg but it is not going to be installed
[09:52] <tibal> pointwood: diconnected imap may delay many things
[09:52] <harmental> what should i do?
[09:52] <harmental> boot?
[09:52] <harmental> and try again?
[09:53] <beligum> Hi all, does anyone know how I batch-copy a file to a server, using ftp ?
[09:54] <harmental> anybody?
[09:54] <pointwood> harmental: hrm...
[09:54] <|lostbyte|> beligum, put ?
[09:54] <trappist> beligum: ncftpput is nice
[09:55] <bobbyyu> Nobody's helping me in Ubuntu about my networking problems in Ubuntu
[09:55] <bobbyyu> Can someone here help me?
[09:55] <harmental> pointwood: what do u mean??
[09:55] <eva_> Hi
[09:55] <pointwood> harmental: have you tried apt-get install xorg
[09:55] <pointwood> ?
[09:55] <beligum> trappist: where can I find it?
[09:55] <pointwood> bobbyyu: ask you question and maybe someone will answer :)
[09:55] <beligum> |lostbyte|: what do you mean?
[09:56] <anna> hi ! I would like to go in a channel to discute... but I don't know how
[09:56] <bobbyyu> Is there a utility in Ubuntu that can help me with my Linux shares?
[09:56] <beligum> trappist: http://www.ncftp.com/ nevermind :)
[09:56] <|lostbyte|> beligum, why dont you use konqueror ?
[09:56] <anna> tibal tu peux m'aider ?
[09:56] <beligum> |lostbyte|: its for a bash-script
[09:57] <tibal> anna: erf, non je suis sur un projet l
[09:57] <tibal> anna: vas sur #kubuntu-fr (clic deux fois dessus)
[09:57] <anna> merci !
[09:58] <harmental> yep....i keeps asking for packages...
[09:58] <tibal> anna: de rien, sinon il y a aussi #ubuntufr
[09:58] <harmental> whats debconf??? it asks me a "nice number"??
[09:58] <tibal> anna: pardon, #ubuntu-fr
[09:58] <harmental> Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN1> line 4.
[09:58] <trappist> beligum: just sudo apt-get install ncftp
[09:58] <harmental> whtats that???
[09:59] <anna> merci !
[09:59] <bobbyyu> !samba
[09:59] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:59] <beligum> trappist: thx
[09:59] <hazard> does open office have an equation editor?
[10:01] <LjL> hazard: yes
[10:01] <B-Minus> hello i downloaded an icon theme from kde-look, how do i install it ?
[10:01] <hazard> ...where? (souding like a complete moron)
[10:01] <B-Minus> i cant select it with install new theme
[10:02] <beligum> Thanks for the help, I'm off
[10:03] <yuma> hmmm, anyone having trouble when fullscreen a window with OpenGL in the last upgrades?
[10:04] <pointwood> harmental: does it error out?
[10:04] <yuma> It sais to me "Invalid Instruction" and I found that there's something wrong with the last version of libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev, but I'm not using it
[10:05] <mo> hi folks does anyone of you have ya clue abour suspen and nvidia on edgy
[10:05] <yuma> sorry, "Illegal Instruction" is what it echoes
[10:05] <mo> d
[10:05] <mo> sorry
[10:06] <blueyed> mo: works here. what's your prob?
[10:06] <Bubba_Gump> :D
[10:06] <mo> i tried that wiki entry http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Nvidia_Grafikkarten/Suspendbut x wont come up again
[10:07] <yuma> oh, that reminds me... anyone is having trouble closing the lid of the laptop?
[10:07] <yuma> when I open it the screen is corrupted
[10:07] <weedar> Has anyone here used UVC to get a new webcam to work in Kubuntu? I need a few pointers how to get it working :)
[10:07] <steveire> list kile
[10:10] <fastbacon> how do i install both .inf and .sys drivers for my wireless broadcom card?
[10:10] <jel> yuma: your video hardware isn't fully happy with being suspended.  You can setup a workaround, like having the system switch to the console and back again after restarting.  But you should probably just have it shutdown when you close the lid
[10:11] <Ace2016> Hi all
[10:11] <blizzz> must ssh be starting on boot or can i deactivate it without any bad consequences?
[10:11] <Ace2016> Anyone know when grumpy groundhog will be available?
[10:12] <Ace2016> anyone know anything about whats going on with it?
[10:13] <yuma> jel: I hate those news... but well, I've got used to press Crl+Alt+F6 and Ctrl+Alt+F7 each time I open the lid
[10:13] <weedar> Ace2016: Isn't "Feisty Fawn" the next version?
[10:13] <mo> ace2016, i think in about six month
[10:13] <yuma> jel: Thanks
[10:13] <Admiral_Chicago> weedar: yes
[10:13] <Admiral_Chicago> 7.04 it comes out, sometime in April
[10:13] <mo> weedar is right
[10:14] <yuma> blizzz: if you're not using the SSH server there's no point on having it started on each boot
[10:14] <Ace2016> weedar: grumpy groundhow is going to be like debian sid, bleading edge packages, which are constantly kept at the latest, sort of like gentoo unstable, and releases will be branched from it every 6 months, i think its aimed at devs tough
[10:14] <Ace2016> though*
[10:15] <shirken> ayudaaa para instalar desde terminal
[10:15] <yuma> blizzz: I think it wont broke anything if you remove the rc?.d entry for it, or `rc-update delete sshd` (or something like that, I don't remember the syntaxis)
[10:15] <Ace2016> it'd be nice to always have the latest packages instead of waiting for the next version's alpha repos to open
[10:15] <yuma> shirken: usa ingls o habla en #kubuntu-es
[10:15] <yuma> !spanish
[10:16] <shirken> thanks
[10:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spanish - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:16] <yuma> !espaol
[10:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about espaol - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:16] <Ace2016> !es
[10:16] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:16] <shirken> vale,gracias
[10:16] <yuma> Thanks!
[10:16] <yuma> I was getting upset! :)
[10:17] <weedar> Ace2016: ah ok. Sounds extremely unstable :)
[10:17] <Ace2016> wait if you can speak english why are you trying to find spanish channels?
[10:17] <blizzz> yuma: thanks, i am just wondering why it is even installed, because i am not using it...
[10:17] <Ace2016> weedar: yea but it'll always be up to date, the very latest stuff
[10:18] <yuma> blizzz: I think it's of extreme importance in several cases, I think that's why
[10:18] <Ace2016> woops i got yuma and shirken confused for a bit
[10:19] <yuma> blizzz: but, for a not networked computer is a nonsense in most cases
[10:19] <blizzz> yuma: i took a look at my laptop, it is not installed there
[10:20] <nikomaco> muy buenas
[10:20] <yuma> blizzz: Does Kubuntu install it by default? I don't think so
[10:20] <nikomaco> hi
[10:20] <yuma> blizzz: I think I remember to install... but not sure
[10:20] <blizzz> yuma: maybe i installed it once by chance ;)
[10:21] <Admiral_Chicago> nikomaco: hello
[10:21] <yuma> blizzz: yes, those times you install something that seems small, but it depends on 40MB of dependencies :)
[10:21] <Admiral_Chicago> blizzz: if you don't have a Kubuntu install CD you can install it with sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:23] <blizzz> Admiral_Chicago: it is not about installing but dealing with ssh service
[10:24] <Admiral_Chicago> blizzz: ah well i only read a few lines up
[10:29] <Kenny> http://rafb.net/paste/results/T0F3IL43.html << Could sombody please look at that?
[10:30] <ubuntu> ragazzi
[10:30] <ubuntu> potete aiutarmi?
[10:31] <ubuntu> i need help
[10:31] <ubuntu> :'(
[10:31] <Ace2016> so whats your question?
[10:31] <ubuntu> i have istalled kubuntu
[10:31] <Ace2016> i guessed as much
[10:31] <ubuntu> and i'm in the splag screen
[10:31] <ubuntu> splash
[10:31] <ubuntu> and he ask me
[10:31] <ubuntu> user
[10:31] <ubuntu> and pass
[10:31] <Ace2016> yea? and?
[10:31] <ubuntu> but i don't know usee
[10:32] <ubuntu> user
[10:32] <Electrolyte> Can anyone help me? I need to get TeamSpeak to run on Kubuntu Edgy 64-bit
[10:32] <ubuntu> when i have istalled it he hasn't ask me user
[10:32] <Ace2016> login to the user you created during the install
[10:32] <LjL> !enter
[10:32] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[10:33] <ubuntu> what i have to do?
[10:33] <ubuntu> nessun italiano?
[10:33] <Ace2016> so you don't have a user acount?
[10:33] <ubuntu> yes
[10:33] <Electrolyte> I haven't a clue how to setup a 32-bit chroot either :(
[10:33] <NOOB> hello there
[10:33] <ubuntu> i have only ubuntu
[10:33] <ubuntu> in the istallation
[10:33] <ubuntu> and pass 1234
[10:33] <ubuntu> but it doent work
[10:33] <Ace2016> oh
[10:34] <NOOB> DO You guys know how to partition a hard drive. inorder to setup a dual boot. ??????
[10:34] <ubuntu> with partition magic
[10:34] <kaflan> what i shoud to do, to get Language applet in KDE? (edgy)
[10:34] <ubuntu> so ace what i have to insert?
[10:35] <Kenny> NOOB: i dualboot
[10:35] <NOOB> where can i find it? on www.download.com?
[10:35] <Kenny> partitionmagic aint free
[10:35] <Ace2016> ubuntu: sorry i have no idea, its strange you don't have a password
[10:35] <ubuntu> i have a pass
[10:35] <fastbacon> is everyone's name ubuntu?
[10:35] <ubuntu> but not a username
[10:35] <ubuntu> hi!
[10:35] <Ace2016> ubuntu: so you don't know the username?
[10:35] <NOOB> okay ... so does it run on windows or linux?
[10:35] <ubuntu> YES
[10:35] <Electrolyte> So no one can help me getting a 32-bit chroot to work for TeamSpeak?
[10:35] <Kenny> NOOB: Partition Magic == windows
[10:36] <Ace2016> ubuntu: your in the live cd?
[10:36] <Kenny> NOOB: But ubuntu got a built-in partitioner
[10:36] <NOOB> is there a way i can do it within windows or not thast my queation
[10:36] <felixjet> !virtualdub
[10:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtualdub - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:36] <felixjet> can anyone tell me a program like virtual dub please?
[10:36] <ubuntu> mmm
[10:36] <ubuntu> live cd?
[10:36] <ubuntu> what?
[10:37] <NOOB> i heard u can do it through DOS
[10:37] <Ace2016> ubuntu: how did you install kububtu, from the desktop cd installer or the alternative installer disk?
[10:37] <ubuntu> alternative
[10:37] <NOOB> yeah im using the live CD and i like kubuntu so far .. tho it doesnt have firefox it only has its built i browser
[10:38] <Electrolyte> No one? :|
[10:38] <ubuntu> ace...
[10:38] <Ace2016> ubuntu: well my idea was going to be just to have a look at the hard disk that ubuntu's installed onto using the live cd, then you could go into /home/ and it'd show the users there
[10:38] <RobNyc> Anyone here using ATI
[10:39] <tony32269> I have an install question.
[10:40] <RobNyc> why I keep entering my wallet password and it says its wrong
[10:40] <Ace2016> ubuntu: If you installed kubuntu you must have a cd, therefore you can use it to reinstall kubuntu and this time remember the username, that seems to make sense
[10:40] <NOOB> how honestly guys which one is better kubuntu or ubuntu? which one is easier to use? and has more features?
[10:41] <Ace2016> NOOB: Kubuntu is better, it has kde
[10:41] <RobNyc> haha
[10:41] <Ace2016> NOOB: kde is the more configurable of the two desktops and has more options to choose from, and the qtcurve theme looks great
[10:42] <RobNyc> Kubuntu is so much better than Ubuntu that I can't boot OSX because it doesnt have the fs type support default like Ubuntu does
[10:42] <[cf] nightrid3r> NOOB: try asking an MSCE which is best linux or windoose? guess what he will answer
[10:42] <fastbacon> what is the command to install the tar.gz file ndiswrapper-1.28.tar.gz thats on my desktop?
[10:42] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: tar -xzvf ndiswrapper...
[10:42] <NOOB> oww okz
[10:42] <NOOB> thx
[10:43] <NOOB> thank you guys ..:)
[10:43] <kaflan> hi, what i shoud to do, to get Language applet in KDE?
[10:43] <[cf] nightrid3r> NOOB: just try the live cd of both and stick with the one you like best
[10:43] <NOOB> :)
[10:43] <RobNyc> Kubuntu servers are damn crowded super slow
[10:43] <NOOB> i guess ill d that  im trying out the live CD for kubuntu
[10:44] <RobNyc> NOOB, check www.osdir.com
[10:44] <RobNyc> see which gui you like best
[10:44] <RobNyc> or you think you will like
[10:44] <yeti> RobNyc: oh, i get about 500kbyte/second, so i can't say it's slow :)
[10:44] <[cf] nightrid3r> RobNyc: allot of people seem to like kubuntu :)
[10:44] <RobNyc> [cf] nightrid3r, vice-versa :)
[10:45] <tony32269> As soon as I boot into the install screen... I lose my keyboard/mouse. Any ideas?
[10:45] <NOOB> thx ROBNtC
[10:45] <NOOB> NYC
[10:45] <[cf] nightrid3r> tony32269: usb keyboard??
[10:45] <tony32269> No PS2.
[10:45] <NOOB> RobNYC hey if ur frm NY so aim i :P
[10:46] <NOOB> teh big apple :P
[10:46] <RobNyc> yep
[10:47] <fastbacon> it appears ndiswrapper installed, but when i try to install the driver.inf file, it doesnt work. i typed "sudo ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf"
[10:47] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: is bcmwf5.inf the name of the driver file
[10:47] <shadowhywind> jeroenvrp your not supposed to be here!!
[10:48] <tony32269> [cf] nightrid3r, I think its the PC...But I cannt figure out whatelse to troubleshoot...
[10:48] <fastbacon> [cf] nightrid3r: yes, and i am also supposed to use a .sys file along with it, which i have
[10:48] <shadowhywind> fastbacon what wireless card do you have?
[10:48] <[cf] nightrid3r> tony32269: i have no solution for your problem, this has never happened to me before
[10:49] <tony32269> [cf] nightrid3r, Thanks anyway
[10:49] <fastbacon> [cf] nightrid3r: Broadcom BCM4318 http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List#B
[10:49] <steveire> Does gnome have an equivalent to kparts? I think parts are a great idea.
[10:50] <kimmern> hey! any suggestions on how I can open bin/cue files..?
[10:50] <shadowhywind> fastbacon your still on 64?
[10:50] <fastbacon> yes
[10:50] <trappist> kimmern: use bchunk to convert them to isos
[10:50] <shadowhywind> have you blacklisted bcm43xx?
[10:50] <shadowhywind> or sudo rmmod bcm43xx? just to be sure
[10:51] <fastbacon> [shadow]  tried that says module does not exist
[10:51] <baggy_> hallo
[10:52] <NOOB> guys another qustion... do u prefer linux over Mac?
[10:52] <kimmern> trappist: when it's converted to a iso..what do I do then?
[10:52] <shadowhywind> *sorry jumping in on mid question* what does ndiswrapper say, is the driver loaded?
[10:52] <steveire> baggy_: What's up?
[10:52] <shadowhywind> fastbacon, ndiswrapper -l
[10:52] <fastbacon> [shadow]  no i ran the command and it said ndiswrapper: command not found
[10:52] <fastbacon> just a sec
[10:52] <[cf] nightrid3r> NOOB: try that same question in a mac hannel and guess what they will answer
[10:53] <baggy_> sry, my kopete didn't work so i tried to tell a friend to visit me here
[10:53] <NOOB> ???? cf >??? linux?
[10:53] <baggy_> yes
[10:53] <kimmern> anyone..? how do I mount a .iso file?
[10:53] <NOOB> but the prob is that the programs that support linux are limited
[10:53] <momal> hmm what would be the best application that would be really close to photoshop cs2? for linux | or how well does photoshop cs2 run under wine?
[10:54] <baggy_> iso? in linux?
[10:54] <fastbacon> [shadow]  same thing, command not found. let it be known i am still using boot cd to test to even see if i can access the internet
[10:54] <shadowhywind> momal you could try gimp
[10:54] <[cf] nightrid3r> momal: try the gimp
[10:54] <kimmern> baggy_: iso in linux of course
[10:54] <shadowhywind> you have to install ndiswrapper
[10:54] <shadowhywind> you could also try sudo modprobe bcm43xx and see if that works, but that is a very long shot
[10:55] <trappist> !iso | kimmern
[10:55] <ubotu> kimmern: To mount an .iso image: sudo mount -o loop my.iso /some/mountpoint - bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk  .iso images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com Always verify the .iso before burning, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[10:56] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: you also need the firmware for the driver to work
[10:56] <fastbacon> [shadow]  earlier i typed this and a long list of files accumulated on the screen "tar -xzvf ndiswrapper-1.28.tar.gz" so i figured ndiswrapper was installed.
[10:56] <[cf] nightrid3r> use bcm43xx-fwcutter to extract the firmware
[10:56] <fastbacon> i have the .inf and .sys files for the device
[10:57] <shadowhywind> I do not know if installing ndiswrapper on a live cd actraully works or not.
[10:57] <NOOB> is there a limewire version 4 linux?
[10:57] <[cf] nightrid3r> shadowhywind: i also have doubts about it
[10:57] <[cf] nightrid3r> NOOB: yes it is written in java
[10:57] <shadowhywind> cf]  sense he says ndiswrapper isn't found, I don't think it is installed,
[10:58] <yeti> NOOB: yes, there is. but downloading mp3s there is not legal in general.
[10:58] <[cf] nightrid3r> yeti: pr0n on the other hand ... :)
[10:59] <fastbacon> Shadow: like you said before, if I decide on installing edgy, then decide to uninstall it on a dual boot machine... it's going to be a difficult task?
[10:59] <kimmern> I just get this error when I'm trying to mount a .iso file: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0
[10:59] <NOOB> i know that imjust asking if thre is :P
[10:59] <kimmern> what's wrong?
[10:59] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: did you already install ndiswrapper
[10:59] <shadowhywind> oh fastbacon, you might have tar'ed it.. you still have to ./configure, make, make install!
[10:59] <yuma> kimmern: have you tried mount -t iso9660 -o loop image.iso?
[10:59] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[11:00] <shadowhywind> [cf]  can you install packages from apt on live?
[11:00] <kimmern> yuma: yup
[11:00] <[cf] nightrid3r> shadowhywind: should work if you have enough ram
[11:00] <yuma> kimmern: and how you got the iso? you did it or got it?
[11:01] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: first you have to do sudo apt-get update to get the pacjage list
[11:01] <fastbacon> [cf] nightrid3r:  i just typed that . made it through a couple lines then said E: couldn't find package ndiswrapper
[11:01] <shadowhywind> *is now temped to try to get his wierless cards working in the 64-bit edition too*
[11:02] <fastbacon> It seems only Broadcom has this problem, and of course I have it
[11:02] <kimmern> yuma: used bchunk..it's a vcd in a bin/cue file..with bchunk I got two iso files..one with 0.5mb and another with 780 mb..know u usually can play bin/cue vcd with vlc, but mine won't :(
[11:02] <shadowhywind> to be honost i dislike the ndiswrapper package for my bcm card, it don't work
[11:02] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: then you will have to compile ndiswrapper
[11:02] <shadowhywind> fastbacon i have the bcm4311 card from helk...
[11:02] <yuma> kimmern: I don't know about that program, but it seems that something broke up
[11:02] <[cf] nightrid3r> get the kernel headers first then compile
[11:03] <yuma> kimmern: try again to convert them from cue/bin to iso
[11:03] <fastbacon> so back to square 1
[11:03] <shadowhywind> a little patients, and a lot of luck will get the card workin, hehe
[11:03] <fastbacon> lol
[11:03] <kimmern> yuma: thats what I explained that I just did..
[11:03] <fastbacon> so wheres this linux header file at?
[11:04] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: kernel-headers*
[11:04] <yuma> kimmern: oh sorry, I didn't read the whole conversation before I come
[11:04] <kimmern> anyone?..convert bin/cue video cd to iso and then mount it? any fancy things you have to do, since the normal approach don't work?
[11:04] <yuma> kimmern: I think there's some bin2iso or something like that
[11:04] <yuma> kimmern: I used them in the past, but I can't recall, sorry
[11:05] <trappist> kimmern: bchunk to convert it, like I said, and ubotu told you how to mount it.
[11:05] <kimmern> trappist: yeah, but that doesn't work..the bin/cue works in windows, so it should work here..
[11:05] <xenox> hi
[11:05] <kimmern> yuma: ok, i'll google that one..
[11:06] <trappist> kimmern: you have to convert the bin/cue to iso using bchunk.  then you mount the iso using mount.
[11:06] <xenox> #debian.hu
[11:06] <fastbacon> so whats the newest version for kernel headers?
[11:07] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: you need the version that matches your kernel
[11:07] <fastbacon> learning bit by bit i appreciate you guys patience
[11:07] <fastbacon> man, i wish this was dos, i would be done by now
[11:08] <[cf] nightrid3r> fastbacon: yes, but would it keep working
[11:08] <fastbacon> i dunno, havent used dos in like 10 years
[11:08] <fastbacon> lol
[11:09] <kimmern> trappist: once again..i've said a couple of times that I tried that and i wouldn't work..got to iso files from bchunk and I cant mount any of them..
[11:09] <fastbacon> thanks guys, off to a soccer match
[11:10] <shadowhywind> OMG! i think i might have found my 64-bit driver for wireless
[11:13] <mhz> hi all
[11:13] <mhz> anyone here ever used OpenKiosk ?
[11:14] <kimmern> is it normal to get two iso files when using bchunk to convert bin/cue?
[11:14] <yuma> kimmern: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion#bin2iso
[11:15] <mhz> else, anyone using Kubuntu 6.10 for internet/cyber cafes?
[11:15] <ltmon> has anyone here been having troubles with kwallet and kmail since upgrading to Edgy... I have not been able to get the two to speak to each other properly since upgrading.  I have deleted all passwords, kwalletrc and kmailrc and tried reconfiguring from scratch but get no luck.... any ideas?
[11:16] <mhz> ltmon: hmm, not me, but, however, I would not upgrade to newly _out_of_the_oven systems via APT
[11:17] <ltmon> mhz: Yeah the apt upgrade was a little painful, but I managed to work my way through all the issues except for this one
[11:18] <[cf] nightrid3r> shadowhywind: kernel 2.6.17 supports the bcm4318 chip out of the box
[11:18] <Kubu> hi
[11:18] <Kubu> does anyone know why i see amsn's text really ugly
[11:18] <thunderstorm> hi @ all
[11:19] <trappist> ltmon: there are some outstanding bugs where kwallt doesn't properly store some stuff from kmail, especially ssl certificates
[11:19] <Search4Lancer> somebody remind me (with a good swift kick to the temple), what's the default file system?
[11:19] <thunderstorm> i have a question about the x-server xorg
[11:19] <Search4Lancer> no you don't
[11:19] <thunderstorm> i have seen in edgy, the process xorg use 0,5 -1 %
[11:19] <[cf] nightrid3r> Search4Lancer: ext3
[11:20] <ltmon> trappist: shoudl these bugs be any different in Edgy than in Dapper or Breezy... I have not had any trouble until now
[11:20] <Search4Lancer> thank you [cf] nightrid3r
[11:20] <thunderstorm> in dapper it use 20-25%
[11:20] <trappist> ltmon: I had the same problems in dapper - can you be more specific about your problem?
[11:20] <thunderstorm> what is the reason, that my xserver in dapper use so much cpu-ressources?
[11:21] <Search4Lancer> oww you bastard! *cry*
[11:21] <Search4Lancer> :-D
[11:21] <trappist> thunderstorm: it's likely that something else is causing it - often something like firefox will hog resources and it will look like X is using them
[11:21] <Search4Lancer> alright that's all I came for... I don't like lingering, inflates my log files too much
[11:22] <thunderstorm> trappist: ive test it, i boot blank and dont start any application - the x-server use 20-25%
[11:22] <ltmon> trappist: Not really... it's been rather inconsistent.  At first I was having kded crash every time kmail tried to access the wallet (as long as it was the first to try to open it).  Then I deleted all my configuration and tried again, but now the wallet just won't integrate.... kmail always asks for a password.  Some others are having the same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290612,
[11:22] <ltmon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=285282
[11:22] <thunderstorm> ltmon: btw, i have it, too
[11:23] <thunderstorm> (i'm german user :-) )
[11:23] <JohnFlux> Riddell: doh
[11:23] <JohnFlux> Riddell: forgot about the meeting
[11:23] <ltmon> thunderstorm: well it seems that enough people have the issue that it is a real bug and not just me screwing something up... I may as well submit one on launchpad
[11:23] <mhz> anyone using kubuntu for internet cafes?
[11:24] <trappist> ltmon: there was also a bug where kded crashes (silently) at startup, which will cause that - can you see kded running?
[11:24] <joscha_> does anybody use irkick?
[11:24] <joscha_> it directly forgets all settings i make
[11:24] <ltmon> trappist: i was having kded crash like that, but it stopped when I removed my kmail/kwallet configuration
[11:24] <JuJuBee> I need help.  I cannot run users-admin since I upgraded to edgy last night.
[11:24] <JuJuBee> I can run other system admin tasks.
[11:25] <trappist> ltmon: so you're sure kded is running right now?
[11:25] <ltmon> trappist: yep... it's fine
[11:25] <[cf] nightrid3r> mhz: probably not, cybercafe's use windows cos the clients don't want to use linux
[11:25] <ltmon> trappist: it's pretty easy to tell when it isn't.... i can't even launch programs
[11:26] <Samoh9789> hi all, I just installed Kubuntu on a laptop and I was trying to install frozen bubble 2. It appears I need libsdl-perl. How can I install this? thanks
[11:26] <mhz> [cf] nightrid3r: hehhe, 'used to be like that'. Now it is the time for linux :)
[11:27] <ltmon> Samoh9789: Either use the package manager (Adept Manager) to install it or type "sudo apt-get install libsdl-perl" at a command line
[11:27] <trappist> ltmon: I didn't know for weeks that it wasn't running, until I thought to check because kwallet was being funky - if you try to create a new wallet in kwallet, does it work?
[11:27] <[cf] nightrid3r> mhz: i have tryed to get linux into cybercafe's by installing it on 1 pc but nobody wanted to use it, clients al prefere windoose
[11:27] <Samoh9789> Itmon, thanks but apt-cache search libsdl-perl doesnt find anything...
[11:27] <ltmon> i'll give that a go
[11:27] <ltmon> Samoh9789: It might be in a non-main repository... I'll check
[11:28] <thunderstorm> can somebody helps me with my x-server problem?
[11:28] <ltmon> Samoh9789: it's in the universe repository....
[11:28] <ltmon> !repository
[11:28] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:29] <Samoh9789> thanks Itmon, I will go and read that.
[11:30] <[cf] nightrid3r> thunderstorm: ask
[11:30] <thunderstorm> i have seen in edgy, the process xorg use 0,5 -1 %
[11:31] <thunderstorm> in dapper it use 20-25%
[11:31] <thunderstorm> what is the reason, that my xserver in dapper use so much cpu-ressources?
[11:31] <ltmon> trappist: It looks like I've had a win... starting up kmail on it's own (i.e. not from within Kontact) then entering passwords etc. then starting up Kontact seemed to make it work.  It seemed kwallet was not allowing kmail to access the wallet, but Kontact was not automatically causing kmail to prompt for access to the wallet.
[11:32] <[cf] nightrid3r> diffrent version, the code has been changed and goes faster now
[11:32] <trappist> ltmon: that's pretty dang interesting
[11:32] <trappist> ltmon: good find!
[11:32] <danny500> has anybody updated to firefox 2.9 yet?
[11:32] <thunderstorm> [cf] nightrid3r: how can i use the new xorg in dapper?
[11:32] <danny500> 2.0*
[11:33] <trappist> danny500: everybody running edgy has
[11:33] <danny500> not, me. lol
[11:33] <[cf] nightrid3r> thunderstorm: depends on your hardware, if you have nvidia or ati card it will be a problem
[11:33] <thunderstorm> yes, i have a sony notebook with ati-radeon igp-chipset
[11:34] <danny500> I have extracted it unto my desktop. How do I install it now? What do I type into the terminal?
[11:34] <danny500> ???
[11:34] <[cf] nightrid3r> thunderstorm: get the source from x.org an compile your own server
[11:35] <danny500> How do I install firefox 2?
[11:35] <[cf] nightrid3r> thunderstorm: or check the repo's for a testing version
[11:35] <Samoh9789> Itmon, I enabled the univse and multiverse repositories but it still doesnt find libsdl-perl...
[11:35] <danny500> anybody?
[11:36] <ltmon> Samoh9789: did you update first (click on the "Fetch Updates" button)
[11:36] <Samoh9789> Itmon, yes
[11:36] <ltmon> danny500: If you use Adept Manager to install the package "Firefox" it will install 2.0
[11:36] <ltmon> Samoh9789: I'll check again....
[11:37] <Samoh9789> thanks
[11:37] <danny500> really, hold on I'll try that
[11:37] <danny500> but it's a tar.gaz
[11:37] <ltmon> danny500: I'm not talking about the tar.gz.... you don't need it.  It's just in the normal adept manager.
[11:37] <ltmon> !adept
[11:37] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[11:38] <felixjet> !synaptic
[11:38] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[11:38] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: thats a source file, and i think thats way over your head to compile from source
[11:38] <danny500> no really
[11:38] <mhz> anyone using openkiosk?
[11:39] <danny500> I don't see firefox 2.0 in adept
[11:39] <danny500> now what do I do?
[11:39] <danny500> huh
[11:39] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: click on fetch updates
[11:39] <danny500> ok\
[11:39] <ltmon> Samoh9789: The filename I have for it is: "pool/universe/s/libsdl-perl_1.20.3-5_i386.deb"... I'm not sure why you haven't got it :(
[11:40] <[cf] nightrid3r> ltmon: maybe mirror out of sync
[11:40] <ltmon> [cf] nightrid3r: I'm using the AU mirror... but I can't imagine it being a really recent package
[11:41] <Samoh9789> Itmon, my mistake, I didn't "Apply" before "Fetch update". I'm new to ubutun/kubuntu though, what does it do really to enable universe ?
[11:41] <[cf] nightrid3r> ltmon: i cant tell, i just switched over to kubunt last weekend
[11:41] <danny500> I still don't see Firefox 2.0 in adept
[11:41] <danny500> now what?
[11:42] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: what color does the "full upgrade" button have
[11:42] <danny500> ?
[11:42] <danny500> on what?
[11:43] <Samoh9789> Itmon, another question, is it safer to disable these universe multiverse repositories after having installed what I wanted from them ?
[11:43] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: in adept
[11:43] <danny500> green
[11:43] <danny500> no wait I mean blue
[11:43] <danny500> whats that mean?
[11:43] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500:  click it and then click apply changes that will update ff
[11:44] <Samoh9789> it worked, thanks again Itmon.
[11:44] <ltmon> Samoh9789: I'm not sure... i think it is
[11:44] <Samoh9789> ok, thanks
[11:45] <danny500> Y is everything so complicated on Linux?
[11:45] <mhz_work> nah, danny500
[11:45] <CVirus> danny500: how is that ?
[11:45] <danny500> I have been trying to install the game "Cube" for a month now
[11:45] <danny500> thats bs
[11:46] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: it's not, you just have to get the basics of the system, it can't be as symple as windows cos linux provides all this extra software
[11:46] <soulrider> hi everyone!!
[11:46] <soulrider> danny500: linux is not as hard as it seems
[11:46] <soulrider> but its not THAT easy either
[11:46] <soulrider> youll get the han gof it in no time though
[11:47] <danny500> I know but why couldn't they have set it up to be a click, click, click, click, done thing.
[11:47] <sveur> I've just installed linux for the first time ever! Edgy, but how do i mount my ntfs drive?
[11:47] <soulrider> yeah, i know what you mean
[11:47] <mhz_work> anyone using (or know where I can get help) OpenKiosk
[11:47] <soulrider> sveur isnt it mounted already ?
[11:47] <mhz_work> ?
[11:47] <danny500> right click on the drive and click mount
[11:47] <zarephath> peeples...
[11:47] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: thats windows style, just wait till you end up on the CLI and feel the real power of linux
[11:47] <soulrider> yeah
[11:47] <danny500> ? whats CLI?
[11:48] <soulrider> danny500: in windows you cant really use hte command line
[11:48] <soulrider> and its so powerful, fasta nd easy to use its amazing!
[11:48] <danny500> whats that?
[11:48] <soulrider> console
[11:48] <sveur> i did that, and i think its mounted, but when i open it, it doesnt display any files
[11:48] <soulrider> sveur you got permissions ?
[11:48] <zarephath> CLI=command line interface
[11:48] <danny500> tell it to show hidden files
[11:48] <zarephath> ls -al
[11:49] <soulrider> anyone here using conky ?
[11:49] <zarephath> sveur: Type mount and see if it is mounted
[11:49] <sveur> in konsole?
[11:49] <zarephath> svuer: Yes
[11:49] <[cf] nightrid3r> sveur: ntfs filesystems are problematic under linux, best is to make a small fat32 partition and use that to transfer files from windows to linux
[11:49] <soulrider> yup
[11:49] <soulrider> or install ext3 drivers in widnows
[11:49] <danny500> Windows may suck and all but at least it doesn't take a month to figure out how to start the installation a a simple program
[11:50] <soulrider> im using the g3-ntfs driver
[11:50] <soulrider> look for it on ubuntuforums.org
[11:50] <soulrider> it works pretty well
[11:50] <zarephath> Indeed...it can be a pain to change the permissions sometimes..
[11:50] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: true, but what happens to windows if you keep it running 24/7
[11:50] <soulrider> danny500: dont you think its better to be able to type a line and have the program automatically download and install ?
[11:50] <sveur> the last line is : /dev/sda2 on /media/bob type ntfs (rw)
[11:50] <sveur> (it's called bob)
[11:50] <danny500> nothing, it just keeps running y?
[11:51] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: yeah right </sarcasm>
[11:51] <soulrider> anyone here using conky and veryl ?
[11:51] <danny500> what do you mean?
[11:51] <sveur> when i try to enter it in konqueror it says "cant enter folder media/bob"
[11:51] <soulrider> danny500: it simposible for windows not to crash
[11:51] <soulrider> or run extremelly slow
[11:51] <danny500> I had windows xp on this machine and It was 2x faster then ubuntu
[11:51] <soulrider> ive been using kubuntu for 5 months and i clearly see hte difference
[11:51] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: i have a box next to me with an uptime of over 18 month
[11:52] <zarephath> sveur: Is it in the format... file://media/bob?
[11:52] <soulrider> [cf] nightrid3r: you never rebooted it ?
[11:52] <[cf] nightrid3r> soulrider: nope
[11:52] <soulrider> fucking hell!
[11:52] <soulrider> sorry bout the abd word :P
[11:52] <morphish> don't fix what ain't broken
[11:52] <danny500> lol
[11:52] <sveur> no, media:/sda2
[11:52] <GraWa> hello
[11:53] <[cf] nightrid3r> soulrider: its a pentium 266 i use as a gateway/router box
[11:53] <soulrider> :O
[11:53] <morphish> [cf] nightrid3r: you do realize that once you turn it off it might never turn on again (or at least some fans might not, which well, you know.....)
[11:53] <zarephath> danny500: No point in trying to push your M$ philosophy here...I actually run windows xp home under Ubuntu on my AMD3200+ and it runs better under linux than it does off its own partition..if you thing M$ is better move the the ##windows I'm a L4m3r channel
[11:53] <[cf] nightrid3r> morphish: probably :)
[11:53] <sveur> but when i try file://media/bob i get an error
[11:54] <morphish> i had a P166 that was like that, ran fbsd, ran fine, never rebooted it till i had glorious idea to make desktop and router run the same thing, installed gentoo, next thing i knew, the P166 had to go in the shed
[11:54] <soulrider> having a crappy computer running as a router isnt a abd idea :P
[11:54] <zarephath> sveur: Probably a permissions issue...try going to console and doing sudo -i then change directory and see if you can get to it..
[11:54] <soulrider> you can add a firewall and everything
[11:54] <soulrider> you can use it as a dedicated machine for bittorrent or FTP :P
[11:54] <danny500> Ok, I'll try this one more time. How do I install the game "Cube"? I have it extracted onto my desktop. Now, step three, what do I type into the terminal?
[11:54] <Hawkwind> danny500: Read the README or INSTALL file that came with it
[11:55] <zarephath> Heya Hawkwind: :-)
[11:55] <danny500> If someone has to download this game and do this step be step with me I would really apreciat it
[11:55] <Hawkwind> zarephath: Hey there
[11:55] <sveur> zarephath: that works
[11:55] <danny500> IT DOESN"T HAVE ANY!
[11:55] <sveur> i can see all my files
[11:55] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: is it a linux game
[11:55] <danny500> yes
[11:56] <Hawkwind> danny500: Where did you download it from ?
[11:56] <danny500> hold on
[11:56] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: check the website where it came from instructions should be there
[11:56] <zarephath> sveur: Kewl...so the reason you can't access it from konqueror is that you are a regular user and it won't let you have access to the directory..you need to add umask=<value> on the line to mount the hard drive...
[11:57] <sveur> which line?
[11:57] <danny500> http://wouter.fov120.com/cube/files.php4
[11:57] <Hawkwind> danny500: Did you download Cube 1 or Cube 2 ?
[11:57] <zarephath> sveur: However I would recommend you type exit to get back to the sudo prompt..you have supremem root priveleges with the sudo -i command
[11:57] <[cf] nightrid3r> sveur: or add the user option to /etc/fstab
[11:57] <danny500> Cube 1
[11:57] <zarephath> *supreme*
[11:58] <zarephath> [cf] nightrid3r: that was what I meant to say..thanks
[11:58] <danny500> Hawkwind: do you have msn messanger?
[11:58] <Hawkwind> danny500: Absolutely not
[11:58] <danny500> why not?
[11:58] <zarephath> danny500: Try kopete and choose your protocol poison
[11:59] <sveur> nightrider: how do i do that?
[11:59] <danny500> I still use msn messanger on it
[11:59] <Hawkwind> danny500: I don't use Windows anything, and haven't for 5+ years
[11:59] <danny500> ok ok, what do you use to chat with then?
[11:59] <Hawkwind> danny500: IRC
[11:59] <danny500> besides this
[11:59] <danny500> o ok
[11:59] <danny500> whats your number?
[12:00] <Hawkwind> My number ?
[12:00] <zarephath> danny500: kopete will log in to msn
[12:00] <danny500> yes
[12:00] <danny500> Hawkwind: what your IRC number?
[12:00] <Hawkwind> danny500: I just downloaded cube, extracted it and there is a readme.html file you need to read and follow
[12:00] <Hawkwind> danny500: This *is* IRC
[12:00] <danny500> I mean, do you have an icq chat thingy?
[12:01] <Hawkwind> I'm not talking about ICQ or whatever that Windows thing is
[12:01] <danny500> it's not windows, it's linux
[12:01] <[cf] nightrid3r> omg this has to go to bash
[12:01] <zarephath> [cf] nightrid3r: or be bashed not sure which heh
[12:01] <soulrider> lol
[12:02] <danny500> ok Hawkwind: do I read the readme.html?
[12:02] <Hawkwind> danny500: Yes.  It tells you everything you need to know
[12:02] <danny500> I just opened it and It's not telling me how to install it
[12:03] <danny500> It's just talking what the game has
[12:03] <zarephath> sometimes trying to extract gibberish from a n00b..is like doing a gynecological exam without being a gynecologist...I know that thingie does something...heheh
[12:03] <danny500> very handy
[12:03] <GraWa> Hello
[12:03] <zarephath> GraWa: Greets
[12:04] <danny500> well if these $#%#% linux systems weren't so nOOb it wouldn't be ike doing rocket science!
[12:05] <CVirus> danny500: just a question ... Are you a retard ?
[12:05] <danny500> I'm sorry but using linux anything for me is very depresing at times. I really miss windows
[12:05] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: you realy picked the hardest thing to do on linux, gameing is not linux's trongest point
[12:05] <zarephath> I can understand not knowing how to use the command line, how to extract a file..but come on not knowing how to read a .html file that explains how to do something..that is hard to swallow..
[12:06] <danny500> I can read it but it says nothing about installing this game
[12:06] <CVirus> danny500: cube ?
[12:06] <danny500> yes
[12:07] <soulrider> danny500: youre sure its for linux right ?
[12:07] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: then look on the website, there has to be an instruction page there
[12:07] <danny500> It's only made for linux
[12:07] <Dasnipa> whats the website ill look and tell you what you need to do
[12:07] <CVirus> danny500: just extract it ... its not installable
[12:07] <danny500> they have nothing to help anybody out
[12:07] <zarephath> Folks...Hawkwind already stated that the html file does the trick..maybe he didn't read it and assumed I don't know..
[12:07] <CVirus> danny500: extract the game
[12:07] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: there is a windows version also, maybe you picked the wrong one
[12:08] <danny500> your joking right? It will work just after extracting it?
[12:08] <zarephath> gotta run..thanks for the early entertainment...!
[12:08] <CVirus> danny500: extract the game .. cd into its directory
[12:08] <CVirus> danny500: then type ./bin_unix/linux_client
[12:08] <CVirus> danny500: thats it
[12:09] <danny500> ok how do I cd it?
[12:09] <CVirus> danny500: cd cube
[12:09] <[cf] nightrid3r> aaarrrggghhh
[12:09] <sveur> how can i give user access to a drive via fstab?
[12:09] <CVirus> danny500: then type what I just told you
[12:09] <danny500> sh: cd: cube: No such file or directory now what?
[12:10] <CVirus> danny500: cd to the directory where you extracted it !!
[12:10] <danny500> ok hold on
[12:10] <danny500> it goes to a blank text spot
[12:10] <danny500> now what?
[12:11] <CVirus> danny500: type ./bin_unix/linux_client
[12:11] <CVirus> and hit enter
[12:11] <danny500> sh-3.1$ cd /home/danny500/Desktop/cube
[12:11] <danny500> sh-3.1$ ./bin_unix/linux_client
[12:11] <danny500> init: sdl
[12:11] <danny500> init: net
[12:11] <danny500> init: world
[12:11] <danny500> game mode is ffa/default
[12:12] <danny500> init: video: sdl
[12:12] <danny500> init: video: mode
[12:12] <CVirus> WTF are you doing ?
[12:12] <danny500> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[12:12] <danny500> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[12:12] <danny500> Unable to create OpenGL screen (Couldn't find matching GLX visual)
[12:12] <CVirus> danny500: what is your graphics card ?
[12:12] <danny500> Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
[12:12] <danny500> *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0xb7c80358 ***
[12:12] <danny500> Aborted
[12:12] <danny500> sh-3.1$
[12:12] <danny500> now what?
[12:12] <danny500> everyting your telling me to do