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cbx33Hi guys just put a sound card into my edgy machine....and now the system is really really laggy, but with no visible processes running....IRQ conflict?12:22
HrdwrBoBpossibly, but certianly not relevant12:23
HrdwrBoBprobably best for another channel12:23
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Nafallomdz, cjwatson: hi! I just installed gnome-hearts, which segfaults on start. I found bug #65274 with a proposed patch from the upstream author. I'm currently have a package for edgy-updates in my pbuilder. does it sound like a candidate for getting approved?01:24
UbugtuMalone bug 65274 in gnome-hearts "Hearts crashes on startup" [High,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6527401:24
ajmitchNafallo: it's universe01:25
Nafalloajmitch: yes. according to the wikipage I was pointed to this is the way for SRU.01:25
ajmitchStableReleaseUpdates is for main01:25
ajmitchI said that we were discussing universe policy on the list01:26
Nafalloyea, but I took it like we followed that wikipage until something new was established.01:27
Nafalloajmitch: so this means we can't push universe stuff to edgy-updates atm? until the policy is clear that is...01:28
ajmitchthat's why we're trying to agrre on it by the end of the week01:28
Nafallothe package fixed it anyway ;-)01:29
Nafalloso pending-upload :-P01:29
Nafallomdz, cjwatson: sorry for the noice, nm.01:29
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mvosfllaw: ping?01:45
sfllawmvo: Pong.01:46
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mvosfllaw: I send you a mail about possible qa for the dist-upgrade testing some days ago. I just wanted to add that we might want to add a plain "apt-get dist-upgrade" into that scenario as well. 01:47
mvoand check if that upgrades somewhat cleanly and doesn't want to remove e.g. a installed ubuntu-desktop01:47
sfllawThat seems reasonable.01:47
sfllawI did do some Edgy dist-upgrading.01:47
sfllawFrom Dapper installs.01:48
sfllawBut it is, uhm, difficult to figure out whether certain things will go well.01:48
sfllawEspecially for people who did Breezy -> Dapper -> Edgy.01:48
sfllawMany of them lost their X drivers.01:48
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mvoyeah, I think the fix in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/68430 should help them01:49
UbugtuMalone bug 68430 in xorg "Dependencies allow driver packages to be removed too easily" [Medium,Confirmed]  01:49
mvosfllaw: I agree, upgrades are the hardest thing for QA 01:49
ajmitchmvo: are there any specs up for discussion on this at UDS?01:49
sfllawmvo: This is probably why we're among the crazy ones.01:49
sfllawmvo: That debdiff looks like it will solve that.  Good job.01:50
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ajmitchah, dist-upgrader-fixes it is01:50
mvoajmitch: yes, we will discuss how to make the whole thing more robust01:51
sfllawThe simplest thing is to convince more people to dist-upgrade before release.  :)01:51
ajmitchwas just looking what to subscribe to :)01:51
mvosfllaw: thanks :)01:51
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sfllawSame here.01:52
mvoI think I will go to bed now01:52
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mvobybye everyone01:52
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jdongwhat was the command again for disabling autoremove for a kubuntu-desktop metapackage?02:05
sfllawjdong: What do you mean by that?02:09
jdongWhenever I remove the kubuntu-desktop metapackage, apt-get will bug me about 50+ packages that can be autoremoved02:09
jdongthis is nonsense... I do not wish to autoremove them02:10
bhaleit doesnt autoremove them02:10
bhaleit just tells you about it02:10
bhalebecuase they have no depends02:10
jdongbhale: I know. I don't want it telling me about those particular packages02:10
jdongit's bothersome02:10
jdongnow all my APT output is twice as long02:10
bhalesorry you are bothered02:10
jdongI remember there was a -o something that could be used to exclude packages from autoremove....02:11
bhalelaunchpad is a more productive way to air your greivances than to complain on irc late at night02:11
jdongI'm not complaining....02:11
jdongI'm asking....02:11
_ionYou could remove or modify /var/lib/apt/extended_states :-)02:11
jdong_ion: ooh, that's close :)02:12
jdongI guess I can make that work02:12
_ionIt sucks that it isn't synchronized with aptitude's similar database.02:12
jdonggrr, any good ideas on how to turn apt-get autoremove's output into a script to modify extended_states?02:13
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bmontyajmitch: are you going to link your authtool branch in to the directory team?03:28
bmontyoops, wrong channel, sorry03:28
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Burgundaviasfllaw: rofl06:13
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dholbachgood morning07:53
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pittiGood morning07:58
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Burgundaviamorning pitt07:59
Burgundaviapitti, rather07:59
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pittihi Burgundavia 08:06
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=== tfheen idly wonders which font people are using in gnome-terminal that doesn't look too bad. It looks horrible here, unless I want it to be big.
mdztfheen: wrong hinting?08:16
tfheenmdz: very possible.  Vera Sans Mono has bold numbers "cut off" at the end08:17
tfheenhttp://err.no/tmp/blah.png has a screenshot with 8point DejaVu Sans Mono08:20
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neuralistfheen: do you prefer g-t to the alternatives, or are you just using it since it's there?08:34
tfheenneuralis: currently, I'm just testing it again after a long absence.  I tend to use pterm, but that one doesn't support compose sequences and clickable links.08:36
neuralisfair; pterm here as well, and the fonts work quite nicely.08:36
tfheennot having compose annoys me a bit, though08:38
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Hobbseehey not-Mithrandir, aka tfheen 08:39
lifelessdo you mean the compose key stuff ?08:39
tfheenlifeless: yes.08:42
lifelessI recall that working in xterm08:42
tfheenGood morning, Hobbsee 08:42
lifelessyup, it works08:42
tfheenthere were other annoying things with xterm, iirc. :-)08:43
lifelessah well, each to their own punishment08:43
tfheeng-t just had the "is really slow" problem, but that's rumored to have been fixed or at least become less annoying08:44
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jdubhttp://lca2007.linux.org.au/ *COUGH*08:55
pittihey jdub, how's it going?08:55
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jdubmorning pitti 08:55
fabbionejdub: PANTS OFF DUDE!08:57
Hobbseejdub: it seems you have a terrible cough there :P08:58
jdubcomes out sounding like a url08:58
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mptStevenK, https://launchpad.net/people/mpt/+branch/about-window/dev09:32
StevenKExcept I can't reach launchpad.net at the moment.09:33
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Burgundaviampt: apparently a bunch of us having issues contacting the datacentre09:33
SpadsIt appears to be a routing problem upstream.09:34
mptok, emigrate, then bzr pull09:34
StevenKmpt: Hah. :-)09:35
=== robitaille should touch some wood since I haven't seen any routing problems yet from home...
Burgundaviarobitaille: you are not having issues?09:35
Burgundaviatelus or shaw?09:35
sivangme as well09:36
robitailleBurgundavia:  telus.  I can connect LP09:36
Burgundaviahmm, shaw no worky for me09:36
Burgundaviaironic, given we both live in the same city09:36
sivangworks from here as well09:36
Burgundaviasivang: you don't live in the same city as me :)09:37
sivangBurgundavia: sucks to be me ;) 09:37
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Burgundaviasivang: *grin*09:38
robitailleBurgundavia: to get to LP, Telus seems to go to Seattle then London.  I would assume Shaw routes you to Calgary first09:39
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Burgundaviarobitaille: no, I am going to same way09:39
Burgundaviadying at level3 in london09:39
robitaillebut I seem to lose 27% of the packets on the way09:40
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test_I have created a ubuntu setup, this setup is going to be used on more then 1000 ubuntu desktop pc's. However. I want to create a recover-image cd. The idea behind this is, that if the user put's in the cd, restarts the computer and the computers starts a recovery process. The end result has to be, the user should have a installed ubuntupc just like deliverd.09:47
Treenakstest_: look at partimage09:48
test_partimage doesn't work well with costum installed debs that are not installed through a repository.09:49
Treenakstest_: create a working system, image it with partimage...09:50
Treenakstest_: then you can restore the image as often as you like..09:50
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mcsmurfiwj: ping10:29
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StevenKmpt: How attached are you to the code layout? :-)10:35
mptStevenK, not at all :-)10:36
=== StevenK has made some changes, and gotten it mostly working.
StevenKmpt: If you want a screenshot, that can be arranged.10:37
mptor just push your own branch10:37
=== mcsmurf wonders if mpt is the former Mozilla mpt ;-)
mcsmurfI guess Matthew Paul Thomas is a quite common name though...10:38
mptAlas, I've been found out10:38
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mcsmurfhah ;)10:38
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mptWhenever I turn up on irc.mozilla.org some person I've never heard of says "You're not *the* mpt, are you?"10:39
mcsmurfwell :)10:39
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mptWas my "just" misplaced?10:41
mptIf you're having trouble reaching Launchpad you likely won't be able to push either10:41
StevenKmpt: Ah, that has resolved itself.10:42
StevenKPush is in progress, according to the no output I'm getting from bzr.10:43
mptI reported that bug earlier10:43
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StevenKAhh, there we go, output.10:43
StevenKphase 0/4, apparently.10:43
mptbug 6017110:44
UbugtuMalone bug 60171 in bzr "bzr push appears to do nothing for several minutes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6017110:44
StevenKYeah, that'd be the one. :-)10:44
StevenKAnd after all that:10:46
StevenK0 revision(s) pushed.10:46
StevenKThanks, bzr.10:46
mptDid you commit first?10:46
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pittiStevenK: was this the initial push?10:46
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pittiStevenK: if so, it always claims to have pushed 0 revisions10:46
StevenKpitti: Nope, but mpt is right.10:47
=== StevenK gets out and pushes bzr.
mptbzr push --uphill10:47
StevenKmpt: That's the one. :-)10:48
StevenKmpt: Pushed.10:48
StevenKmpt: ~stevenk/about-window/dev10:48
mptCool, it shows up on Launchpad straight away10:49
mptbzr: ERROR: Not a branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stevenk/about-window/dev/10:50
StevenK... Interesting.10:50
dholbachwhat happens if you check if out over sftp?10:50
StevenKOh yeah, it was pushed over sftp://10:50
StevenKApparently, http:// takes a little while to catch up.10:51
dholbachit usually takes some time to show up over http10:51
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mptThis is where I suffer from bug 4356410:51
UbugtuMalone bug 43564 in launchpad-bazaar "hosted branches should display sftp information" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4356410:51
mptOh, that bug's assigned to me, I should fix it10:51
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StevenKmpt: I have a plan to refactor the code, but the first step was to get it working.10:52
=== StevenK has also added an evil TODO item.
mptbzr: ERROR: Not a branch: sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stevenk/about-window/dev/10:52
StevenKI have this idea that a screenshot would have been far simpler.10:54
mptoh, perhaps10:54
mptthough I would have needed to merge from you eventually anyway10:54
mptif I'm ever to learn how to package software10:54
StevenKI should throw some Debian bits around it and create a package.10:55
StevenKGetting it working is more fun, though.10:56
mptof course10:56
dholbachit's "not a branch" for me too. :-/10:56
StevenKDid I push it wrong, I wonder?10:56
StevenKI am comforted by the fact that it looks like mpt's in launchpad.10:57
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StevenKmpt: In the mean time, http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/about.png11:01
thom"Ubuntu is the overall system" is hella awkward phrasing11:02
mptyay for decrufted version numbers11:02
mptI thought I deleted that text11:02
mptOh, I didn't commit that change11:02
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StevenKmpt: I had a block of a text taken the default start page, which wasn't ideal either.11:03
mptyah, I just nuked it. Minimalism is the new black.11:03
mptWhat happened with the processor speed?11:04
StevenKAhhh, about that. :-)11:04
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StevenKYou only pull it from cpufreq, and that machine is no laptop.11:05
mptYeah, I was wandering around at UBZ asking various people how to get the information11:05
StevenKThe problem is we can't rely on the speed being in the model name.11:05
mptand people would tell me and then say "oh, but you need to be root for that"11:05
StevenK"gksu aboutubuntu" would suck.11:06
=== StevenK idly wonders if this spec should be discussed at UDS-MV.
mpt"Sorry son, I'm not telling you the horsepower until you've got your license"11:07
mptIt was approved at UDU :-P11:07
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Mezis there something wrong with security.ubuntu.com people are reporting MD5Sum errors (http://rafb.net/paste/results/NTnRJx38.html)11:08
mptStevenK, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AboutUbuntu11:08
StevenKYeah, I've seen that.11:08
fabbioneMez: yes, they are working on it11:09
Mezfabbione: cheers (I only ask as it's working for me!)11:10
fabbioneMez: hold on11:10
fabbioneMez: are these guys behind a transparent proxy of somekind?11:11
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Mezfabbione, yes, why ?>11:12
Mez<@davee> Mez: Yes, I think so, but that's never been a problem with other Ubuntu or Debian repositories before11:12
fabbioneMez: tell them to fix the proxy. kthxbye11:12
fabbionesecurity works fine from here11:13
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jonodo we have any kind of rules or expectations for people remastering CD images for a specific locale?11:15
mptAnyone know where to report bugs about Synaptic? Launchpad says "not here" and its Web site doesn't mention bugs at all11:17
mptand it seems not to be in bugzilla.gnome.org either11:18
StevenKIt looks like a native Debian package.11:18
StevenKReport it directly to debbugs?11:18
Mezmpt: theres a truckload of bugs @ https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bugs11:19
mptYah, I was looking for something a little further upstream11:19
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mptbut I'm not desperate enough to figure out how to use debbugs11:19
Mezmpt: I realised that after I hit enter11:19
mptso I'll report it in Ubuntu11:19
thommpt: mailto: submit@bugs.debian.org... and in the body Package: synaptic \n  some text.11:20
Mezmpt: mvo's the author though - so.... *shrugs*11:21
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iwjmcsmurf: Please say what you want, rather than just doing a content-free ping!11:38
cjwatsonjdong: apt-mark is the tool you want11:39
mcsmurfiwj: a pong with round-trip time of course!11:39
test_why is there no /etc/locale.gen in edgy?11:39
mcsmurfiwj: why is the build id of 20060601 hardcoded in Firefox?11:39
mcsmurfiwj: if it is actually...11:39
cjwatsoniwj: judging from other scrollback, he's asking about the build id in firefox being apparently dated 2006-06-0111:39
cjwatsonoh, too late :-)11:39
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cjwatsontest_: superseded by /var/lib/locales/supported.d/; if you just want to generate a new locale, use e.g. 'locale-gen pl_PL.UTF-8'11:40
cjwatsonsudo locale-gen ... rather11:40
mptiwj, fixing bug 69444 would make life a lot easier for me in Launchpad hacking :-)11:40
UbugtuMalone bug 69444 in firefox "Ubuntu's Firefox DOM Inspector is incompatible with Ubuntu's Firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6944411:40
iwjmcsmurf: That's an encoding of the distro version number.  Websites don't need to know whether the user has run an update recently.11:42
cjwatson        <em:minVersion>2.0</em:minVersion>11:42
cjwatson        <em:maxVersion>2.0</em:maxVersion>11:42
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mcsmurfiwj: this is a quite weird use of the build id...11:42
cjwatsonhope not11:42
cjwatsoniwj: 20060610 would have been a much less confusing encoding11:43
cjwatsonor 20061001, come to that11:43
cjwatsongiven the meaning of the "6"11:43
mcsmurfdo you know which file was patched for doing this?11:43
mcsmurf(in http://librarian.launchpad.net/4927395/firefox_2.0%2B0dfsg-0ubuntu3.diff.gz)11:43
iwjmpt: I'll see what I can do about 69444.  Debian have done something different with the dom inspector which is probably part of why it's broken.11:44
iwjcjwatson: That would result in a build id in the future.11:44
iwjSo I arranged for it to subtract 6 months (IIRC).11:45
mcsmurfiwj: we already do have october ;)11:45
iwjmcsmurf: Yes, but edgy existed before october.11:45
cjwatsoniwj: is that so bad? :-)11:46
iwjmcsmurf: Is the fact that you can't tell exactly which version it is just by looking at the browser string a problem for you somehow ?11:46
cjwatson(build in the future)11:46
iwjcjwatson: I don't know but since people seem to use this string for all sorts of stupid purposes I thought it might break some webshite's stupid javascript.11:47
mcsmurfiwj: no, I was just wondering since noone hardcoded build ids before11:47
cjwatsonIt would reinforce that it's notional.11:47
mcsmurf(and I'm active in the Mozilla community)11:47
mptthanks iwj11:47
mcsmurfand mozilla developers tend to look at the build id, too ;-)11:48
iwjmpt: I'm not planning to do a firefox before mtv, though; I hope that's not a problem ...11:48
mcsmurf(there was some discussion yesterday if the svg support in Ubutu Firefox can be considered to be supported)11:48
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mcsmurfsince system cairo or so is used11:48
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mptiwj, it's not awful, it just means using two laptops11:50
mcsmurfmpt: my build here still has that... ;)11:51
mcsmurf(SeaMonkey unofficial build)11:51
iwjmpt: You could use a chroot.11:51
mptI think I don't have enough HD for that11:52
iwjOuch, that must be an old laptop.11:52
mptoh, 12 GB now, that should be enough11:52
mptLast time I looked I had 1.6 GB or something ridiculous11:52
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Mannyhow can I find whether anybody is working on particular packages (MuleHashDB in my case)?11:56
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realistI'd like to know that also Manny...12:09
realistOr more specifically, what packages no-one is maintaining12:09
dholbachManny: is that a software that is already packaged?12:10
StevenKsteven@liquified:~/ubuntu/about% bzr di | diffstat | grep changed 1 file changed, 85 insertions(+), 74 deletions(-)                             12:10
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Mezdoko, ping12:12
Mannydholbach: I don't think so. It has a setup.py script. http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/MuleHashDB/0.1.112:12
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Mannydholbach: of course I know that your resources are limited, but I'm not a packaging expert and ubuntu is quite python-friendly, it has virtually all packages12:14
dholbachManny: you could add it to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates or I can add it there for you12:14
Mannyalso note that aMule makes use of it12:14
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dholbachManny: it's also better if somebody using it maintains it ;-)12:15
Mannyheh ;)12:15
Mannywell I'd like to write some ed2k scripts, because I need it and because it makes a good python exercise12:16
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dokoMez: ?12:16
Mezdoko, regarding libstdc++5 in kubuntu-desktop - what packages is that for ?12:17
pittiMez: it's mainly used for commerical packages which still need the old ABI12:17
Mezpitti, I was wondering if it was for any specific package12:18
dholbachManny: added it for you12:18
MezI know rar uses it (and I'm updating that now)12:19
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Mannythanks! :)12:19
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aualinHOW THE HELL CAN YOU MANAGE BREAKING THE PRISM DRIVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????12:27
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bhalesigh, not you again12:27
highvoltage/kick aualin 12:27
bhaleplease calm down or leave12:27
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mcsmurfthumbs up12:27
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StevenKWait. Maybe +o is enough of a threat.12:28
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aualinyou guys really know howto be ignoring!12:30
aualinyou idiots12:30
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Hobbseebhale: can we just ban everyone from #beryl-dev?  :P12:30
HrdwrBoBI see the problem, they were using KDE12:30
bhaleHobbsee: oh, please12:30
HobbseeHrdwrBoB: kde wont affect the prism drivers, dummy :P12:31
HobbseeHrdwrBoB: (i hope!)12:31
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aualingo and burn up12:32
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StevenKI note no one is forcing him to use Ubuntu.12:32
HrdwrBoBHobbsee: I was taking a wholistic view, perhaps of the person rather than the actual problem12:32
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tsengthats right isnt it12:33
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dholbachMez: 3rd party apps use it12:35
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bhalemorn tfheen 12:36
tfheenmorning, bhale 12:36
Hobbseetfheen: a +d ban, but i think i got the syntax wrong12:36
MezHobbsee is pwning the channel ;) run for your lives12:36
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Hobbseehmmm.  that really doenst seem to work as intended.12:37
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Hobbseei'm not sure why it drops all the other modes12:37
Mezbecause it set them ?12:38
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fabbioneso what do you need to do?12:38
Mezfabbione, darn, and I was going to get my botnet to spam the channel 12:38
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Hobbseeoh, i know why12:38
thomoh, grow up12:39
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Hobbseeah :)12:39
Hobbsee*that* got it :)12:39
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Hobbseeand it's even showing it correctly.  yay12:40
elkbuntuok.. so who was the actual problem here? the other guy or hobbsee?12:40
StevenKBoth? :-P12:40
bhalethe other guy has done this at least three times12:40
Hobbseeelkbuntu: of course i'm the problem.  i'm the one who has ops in here.  duh :P12:40
Mezelkbuntu, Hobbsee's always a problem :P12:41
elkbuntuHobbsee, right you are, dear.12:41
siretartdepending on your POV, she might also be the final answer ;)12:41
elkbuntusiretart, final as in 'finally got the right mode'?12:42
ajmitchthe same annoying guy in here?12:42
siretartelkbuntu: as in 'the final answer for all problems' ;)12:42
HobbseeI WIN!!!!12:42
ajmitchhey siretart, elkbuntu 12:42
Hobbseemy ban keeps him out!12:42
Hobbsee[22:37]  --> aualin has joined this channel (n=mikael@
Hobbseebut he couldnt get here :)12:43
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kmon_Is there any python ide specifically targeted at development for gnome desktop?12:52
siretarthuhu ajmitch 12:53
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zygais there anyone around interested in SABDFL's recent blog post?12:54
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bhalezyga: no12:56
bhalethat sounds excessively painful12:57
bhale"many have tried..."12:58
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Chipzzkmon_: I think there's something like wingide, but that's payware though12:59
Chipzzand it's aimed mostly at python development too12:59
thomzyga: his diagnosis is more or less right, but i doubt he's going to get much traction. esp outside of the linuxes, since that adds a whole raft of additional problems01:00
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kmon_Chipzz: eah, I was looking for a "monodevelop for python" thing01:02
sladendholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuOrganisation 40401:02
fabbioneftpmaster: please do NOT accept glibc-2.5. Leave it on hold01:05
dholbachsladen: what do you want to tell me with that?01:05
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sladendholbach: you posted a link on the bottom of Jono's blog linking to it01:12
dholbachoh and the spec links to it01:13
dholbachyeah, nobody stepped up to write the spec yet01:13
ajmitchmore work for us :)01:13
Keybukfabbione: I've been deliberately not touching anything in feisty in someone says "GO!"01:14
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fabbioneKeybuk: i know.. i just had to make sure nobody accepted it by mistake01:14
fabbioneKeybuk: it's pending Spads to upgrade ppc kernel on the buildd01:14
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fabbionethe package is good01:14
jsgotangcodholbach: hey01:15
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Keybukfabbione: does the new gcc not need to go in first anyway?01:16
fabbioneKeybuk: glibc first, then gcc and then glibc again01:16
Keybukreally?  I didn't think gcc needed glibc01:16
fabbioneKeybuk: yes because there are several changes this time.. including an ABI change for sparc and ppc01:17
fabbioneso we need to do it in 2 steps01:17
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fabbioneKeybuk: is the publisher set to auto now?01:28
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fabbione(at :03 right?)01:28
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Keybukfabbione: publisher is on automatic, yes01:32
Keybukhowever uploads require manual approval01:32
fabbioneKeybuk: ok thanks01:32
marcin_anthi guys01:33
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marcin_antI would like to develop some web application especially for ubuntu - can I talk abot it here or will you send me away ;) ?01:33
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SpadsPowerpc buildds are going down for system upgrade01:33
fabbioneKeybuk: please accept glibc01:35
aualinhas feisty repos got new packages?01:36
aualingot some updates, (using feisty repos)01:36
fabbioneaualin: only some bits of the new toolchain01:36
fabbioneit's not WISE to use them01:36
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fabbionenot yet01:36
Hobbseenot for a long time01:36
aualinlike to use everything that is buggy :P01:36
aualin(as long it is something like: no x:P thats not funny, if you understand what i mean)01:38
fdovingmdz: does bug 69583 qualify for a update to dapper-updates too?01:38
UbugtuMalone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Low,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6958301:38
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aualinfun name:P01:38
Hobbseeaualin: why are you here again? 01:39
aualincalmed down01:39
Hobbseeoh good01:39
aualinoh, and have never used a proxy01:39
Keybukfabbione: ok01:39
fabbioneKeybuk: cheers01:39
Hobbseeaualin: you're right.  the IP is the same01:39
Keybukaualin: if you like X to work, you probably shouldn't use feisty at this point01:39
Keybukthere's all probability that it won't even boot01:40
aualinwell i am not going to accept feisty x01:40
aualingot many kernels01:40
aualinand i got 2 dists01:40
aualinsabayon and ubuntu01:40
shackanso what?01:40
thomthis is so far off topic it's stupid01:40
aualin(sabayon is based on gentoo)01:40
aualin(these off topic things happen often with me)01:41
aualinbut right now i am reading about 3d modelling01:42
gnomefreakaualin: join #ubuntu-offtopic to chat in general01:42
SpadsSoyuz powerpc buildds are back01:43
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marcin_antanyone that could answer question about python webapp policy for ubuntu?01:55
aualinnot me...01:57
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giskard_who i should ask for an X+ati bug/problem?02:14
thomrodarvus, most likely02:15
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giskard_thank you thom 02:15
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giskard_rodarvus: ping :;02:16
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rodarvusgiskard, go ahead :)02:17
giskard_rodarvus: i got i have an ati rage 128 pr/pro agp 4x tmds02:20
giskard_i'm trying to use the ati driver but X doesn't start02:20
giskard_i get this:02:20
giskard_and of bloc range 0xefffffff < begin 0xf000000002:21
giskard_R128(0): mmap  mmio: Invalid Argument02:21
rodarvusthis error is quite cryptic02:22
giskard_eheh :(02:22
sivangre people02:22
rodarvusyou appear to be using the r128 driver, is that correct?02:22
rodarvus(please check it on the Device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf)02:23
^robertjso what's the background on Mark's latest posting?02:23
rodarvusanyhow, lets move to a privmsg window02:23
giskard_rodarvus: yes02:23
rodarvusnot a topic for #ubuntu-devel :)02:23
giskard_ahh stupid freenode privmsg policy02:24
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pepsimanlaunchpad still shows hoary as "Supported".  It was EOL yesterday.  Who can fix this?02:24
cjwatsonpepsiman: yes, we know ...02:25
cjwatsonpepsiman: any launchpad admin, IIRC02:25
cjwatsonI'll check, but I don't think I can02:25
cjwatson(we talked about it this morning; mdz was going to do it but had routing problems getting to launchpad)02:25
cjwatsonit's not that urgent02:25
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^robertjsivang: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/6602:34
sivang^robertj: thanks02:35
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Mezhmmm- dri isnt enabled by default when installing ati drivers03:03
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Mezis the ubuntu website meant to be showing french translations on an english page ?03:26
Mezand now the same page with german03:28
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sivangdoes anybody know how to make ConfigParser save state using option : value form instead of option = value ?03:52
sivangdoko: ^03:52
sivangthe reference seems to lack documentation of this03:53
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dokosivang: no idea03:55
Whoopiedoko: HI, did you find the time to look into the python-httplib2 packaging issue?03:55
azeemWhoopie: what's wrong with it?03:56
Whoopieazeem: under Edgy, python-support doesn't compile the python2.4 modules, only for python2.5.03:57
azeemah, right03:58
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sivangdoko: ah nice, it is not needed. ConfigParser does the right thing (tm) anyways.04:02
cjwatsonsivang: the standard module has no way to do that. You'd have to reimplement write()04:05
cjwatsonobviously, if it's not needed, that's easier04:06
sivangcjwatson: Yes, I feared that having data starting or containing '=' in them would break machine readiability, but it seems to graciously handle this.04:06
bddebianWhat's with this cjwatson nick? :-)04:07
sivangcjwatson: did you check the code or just recalled this off-hand ?04:07
cjwatsonbddebian: decided I preferred it04:07
cjwatsonsivang: checked04:07
cjwatson(cjwatson's my username everywhere anyway, so ...)04:08
cjwatsondamnit, I wish there were a way to leave comments in glade files in such a way that the interface editors would preserve it. I've totally forgotten what I was going to use this bit of UI for ...04:08
sivangcjwatson: can't you just leave xml comments <!-- ... ? 04:09
cjwatsonsivang: I bet glade-2 won't preserve them?04:10
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sivangcjwatson: right, I just checked, damn04:12
pygisiretart: CLOSE SESSION command takes 25 seconds :(04:12
pygisiretart: CLOSE SESSION command (5Bh 00 02h ..) bla, bla, bla :)04:13
sivangcjwatson: seems it just treats UI meaningful stuff, we ought to open a bug about this.04:13
pygisivang: was -tao one of the things you needed for HUB?04:13
sivangpygi: is it related to multi sessions recording in any way? ;)04:15
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pygisivang: heh :P04:15
pygisivang: I need a lot of reading, a lot of testing, and a lot of writing prototype code to make multi session work04:16
pygisivang: I don't think I'm currently smart enough to implement multi session :P04:17
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rc-1why should the arcatectural design of a system precede the development for a formal specification04:38
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freacky22527I've recently started a new project, a frontend for wine, which will be a clone of the windows Add/remove tool04:44
freacky22527I made a "sample" version to test the libwine and everything work04:45
freacky22527here is a screenshot04:45
freacky22527the program go to look into the wine (fake windows) registry and list the win32 installed apps04:45
freacky22527But it's the first time I use gtk, so I'm looking for a "glade guru" to design the user interface, if possible04:47
freacky22527is anyone interested?04:47
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dholbachfreacky22527: try to write to ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com maybe04:55
freacky22527ok thanks daniel :-)04:56
dholbachde rien :-)04:56
_ionYou do have programmed it so that the view is separated from the controller, right?04:57
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_ionSo someone could easily add a Qt UI for example.04:58
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freacky22527_ion: not at all for the moment, I just made this version to do some tests, but I will ;)04:58
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madduckcjwatson: thanks for Debian#395473 !06:03
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cjwatsonmadduck: planning to wait until the current version hits testing before uploading06:04
_ionIt would be cool if ubugtu printed URLs for those, too. E.g. http://bugs.debian.org/39547306:05
madduckcjwatson: "pending" is enough for me for now. molly-guard is still in the new queue anyway. :/06:05
_ionPerhaps even scrape the title and print it.06:05
cjwatsondebian bug 39547306:05
UbugtuDebian bug 395473 in openssh-server "please add suggests for molly-guard" [Wishlist,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/39547306:05
_ionHehe, ok. :-)06:05
cjwatsonok, so it can sort of manage it, just needs a format tweak ...06:05
cjwatsonit should definitely be told how to scrape it from the URL form it produces06:06
cjwatsonSeveas: ^-- FYI06:08
jdubwhat's molly-guard?06:09
cjwatsonjdub: the bug link above explains it06:09
jdubgoogle was surprisingly unuseful06:10
madduckjdub: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/collab-maint/deb-maint/molly-guard/trunk/shutdown?op=file&rev=0&sc=006:10
jdubha ha, cute06:10
cjwatsonI haven't quite got to the point of eschewing provided links in favour of google :-)06:10
madduckjdub: 06:11
madduckpiper:~# halt                                                            #[366] 06:11
jdubdidn't think the bug link would explain what it was :)06:11
madduckmolly-guard: SSH session detected!06:11
madduckPlease type in hostname of the machine to halt: uh, no!06:11
madduckGood thing I asked; I won't halt piper ...06:11
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madduckmolly-guard, which was coined by Ben Hutchins, is such a perfect name for it. :)06:12
jdubi look forward to molly-guard in fisty06:12
elmothat has exactly the same problem as aliasing rm to rm -i06:15
jdubelmo: the "ah, fuck it" effect?06:15
elmojdub: the "ah, shit this isn't a box with molly-guard installed" effect as the box shuts down06:16
elmobut maybe that's what you meant06:16
madduckelmo: yes, this is a problem and i ran into it a bunch of times.06:16
madduckbut only when testing06:16
madducki mean, you don't really type 'halt' to provoke molly-guard... :)06:16
madduckbut my goal is obviously to make it essential. haha!06:17
thommadduck: hah, nice06:18
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madduckhttp://debian.madduck.net/repo/dists/sid/main/binary-all/admin/molly-guard_0.2.1-1_all.deb in case anyone wants to give it a whirl06:24
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Seveascjwatson, ack06:33
Seveasit's on my to-do list to extend the scraping06:34
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keescooklooks like gcc SSP was lost in the feisty toolchain?06:38
keescookerr.. 06:39
keescookmy testcase sucked.  :)06:40
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gottreubi-arch or multiple architectures with apt: what's the status on that?06:41
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gottreuor where should I go to ask that question?06:45
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Burgworkgottreu: afaik, no work being done06:51
Burgworkgottreu: you can see the specs that are likely to be in the next version of Ubuntu on LP06:52
gottreuLP being launchpad?06:52
gottreuwhere exactly on this launchpad?06:52
Burgworkthat is your link06:52
bhaleBurgwork: specs in LP for toolchain changes are actually 2 release ahead06:53
Burgworkthose are spec beings talked about at the next development summit06:53
Burgworkbhale: ah06:53
bhaleyou don't spec toolchain changes for feisty as it is opening06:53
bhaleneed to be ahead06:53
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zygahey guys, I'm looking at rather annoying openoffice bug in edgy malone 6761807:39
UbugtuMalone bug 67618 in openoffice.org "OpenOffice doesn't hint fonts in Edgy" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6761807:39
zygait seems that debian has a patch to freetype that gets rid of this07:39
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Robot101is it a known issue that both the dbus and the dbus-1-utils packages provide scripts to start dbus-daemon in your session?08:12
Robot101$ ls /etc/X11/Xsession.d/75dbus*08:12
Robot101and also that xinit and x11-common, both of which I can't remove without braining half of my system, seem to double up all of the other Xsession.d scripts too?08:13
Robot101$ ls /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x*08:14
Robot101$ pgrep -u robot101 dbus-daemon08:14
Robot101$ pgrep -u robot101 ssh-agent08:15
ChipzzRobot101: yeah I think it's a known issue08:15
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Riddelldholbach: about?08:18
Riddelldholbach: able to join us in #ubuntu-meeting for a sec?08:19
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keescook^^ that was pitti testing the old nvidia driver.  :)08:50
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pittihi Seveas 09:08
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sfllawRemember how we found bug 69158 before release?09:16
UbugtuMalone bug 69158 in ndiswrapper "ndiswrapper-utils downgraded from dapper" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6915809:16
sfllawSomeone should probably make the simple fix of making ndiswrapper-utils do the right thing.09:16
mdzsfllaw: Kamion looked into it and found it hairy enough that he wasn't comfortable doing that just yet; please mail him and discuss it further09:17
sfllawmdz: Really?  OK, will discuss with him.09:18
sfllawmdz: We should at least have a working one for Feisty.09:18
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mdzsfllaw: yes, see comments in bug 59983 (of which I believe 69158 is a duplicate)09:21
UbugtuMalone bug 59983 in ndiswrapper "ndiswrapper in edgy broken" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5998309:21
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^robertjwhat's the correct package to file sync requests against?09:50
crimsunwhichever source package needs to be synced09:50
pitti^robertj: the package you want to have synced09:50
^robertjpitti: assuming its err not there?09:50
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pitti^robertj: ah, a new one? well, just 'Ubuntu' then09:50
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slomokeescook: i already fixed the mpeg2dec crasher...10:05
slomokeescook: FYI mpeg2dec's output buffers start address has to be 16byte aligned... for whatever reason ;) thanks for looking into it anyway :)10:05
keescookslomo: ah-ha!  great.  I didn't get far.  :)10:06
keescookslomo: do you have a patch handy?10:06
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slomokeescook: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=75796&action=view10:06
slomokeescook: attached to pitti's bugreport10:06
judhi....hey  booting in recovery mode with edgy results with a root terminal???? isnt that a problem????10:07
pittijud: why?10:07
pittijud: that's exactly what recovery mode is supposed to do :)10:07
judanyone can restart my computer!!10:07
_ionYou don't have locks?10:07
pittijud: anyone having physical access, yes10:07
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pittijdub: if you have to defend against untrusted people with physical access, the only solution is to encrypt your hard disk10:08
_ionIt's the workplace's security problem if anyone can just walk into your office. Her being able to reboot your computer is the smallest problem.10:08
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sfllawkeescook: Did your vino upload make it into edgy-proposed?10:09
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judanyway just wonder!!  bye10:09
keescooksfllaw: I don't think so.  I'm unclear on who needs to push it.10:09
sfllawKamion, I think.10:09
sfllawOr mdz.10:09
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ajmitch^robertj: /win 9410:13
keescookajmitch: you have *94* windows?  nice.10:13
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ajmitch^robertj: I don't think you'll need to file sync requests for new packages, they should be synced automatically10:14
ajmitchkeescook: yeah, mostly ubuntu or debian10:14
ajmitch& /query windows :)10:14
sfllawkeescook: Can you get me a URL to the appropriate .deb?10:14
sfllawThe same one you uploaded to upload.ubuntu.com?10:14
keescooksfllaw: you mean the changes file?  one sec10:15
sfllawkeescook: No, not the .dsc.10:15
sfllawThe .deb.10:15
sfllawThe built one.10:15
sfllawI'm trying to make sure your fix works.10:15
keescookIsn't that LP's job?10:15
mdzkeescook,sfllaw: it's the archive admin team who process them, as documented in StableReleaseUpdates10:15
keescookmdz: I sub'd the archive team to the bug.  should I do anything additional?10:15
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sfllawkeescook: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates10:16
mdzkeescook: you don't need to do that; they will look at the queue, see your upload, read the changelog, check the bug to verify, and then accept the upload10:16
mdzthey do this especially on tuesdays and fridays, but occasionally other times as well10:16
sfllawmdz: To clarify the SRU policy.10:17
sfllawIt's 7 days after the archive admin accepts it, right?10:17
keescookmdz: ah-ha, okay.  SRU wiki didn't specify when those things would happen.  it was uploaded yesterday10:17
mdzsfllaw: it's accepted into -proposed immediately upon verifying that the SRU is approved10:17
mdzthe 7 day delay is from -proposed to -updates10:18
mdzis that not clear from the document?10:18
bluefoxicyAnyone have word on why there is no longer a disk management app obviously visible in Edgy?10:18
sfllawNo, it's not.  It says...10:18
sfllaw"After successful testing and a minimum aging period of 7 days"10:18
bluefoxicyWas that pulled out of GNOME or just Ubuntu10:18
sfllawSo it's unclear when 7 days is relative from.10:18
mdzI'll clarify10:19
keescooksounds like we need a step 3.5) Wait for archive team to publish the upload. (Usually happens on Tues and Fridays)10:19
mdzit would be a bit silly to have it wait 7 days in the queue10:19
sfllawand then have it immediately pushed to -updates.10:19
sfllawThat would be terrible.10:19
mdzkeescook: I changed it to "The upload will be reviewed by the archive administrators during regularly scheduled processing"10:19
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keescooksfllaw: okay, so, apologies, I pinged you too early.  :)10:20
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mdzI don't want to duplicate the schedule in multiple places, lest it get out of sync10:21
mdzI've also clarified the aging period to apply explicitly to -proposed10:22
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dokomdz: could you clarify as well 1) Propose *by email*, not i.e. by a bug report10:23
mdzdoko: why?  either method works for me10:23
dokomdz: ? last Friday you explicitely asked for email (the bug reports were already filed)10:24
mdzdoko: where?  perhaps I misunderstood your question10:25
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mdzit doesn't matter to me so far as all of the information is present10:25
mdzI'm not sure whether Colin has a preference10:25
keescookmdz: I guess the question is how to initially get your attention.  should we email you, subscribe you to the bug, etc.  That where I wasn't sure.10:26
keescooks/That/That was/10:27
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keescookwhat information is needed for the SRU is quite clear.  It's just not clear how to start the notification process.10:27
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dokomdz: 68396 and 68380, emails sent on Monday10:27
mdzkeescook: I've added a bit to the doc about how to do it with bugs10:28
keescookmdz: perfect!  reads clearly now, thanks.  :)10:29
slomokeescook: well, not yet 100% correct, i'll fix it ;)10:32
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keescookslomo: see if you can add checks or docs updates in upstream libmpeg2.  I bet others will run into this too.10:33
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rpedrocan tell me someone who is resposible for the ubuntu daily iso builds?10:48
rpedroI have a problem with the latest daily jigdo template for i38610:48
rpedropossibly the it's the same as edgy final10:48
LaserJockthat could be10:49
tfheenrpedro: they haven't started yet.10:50
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jdubbhale: ping11:42
bhalehello jdub 11:42
jdubbhale: what are the chances of getting a bugfix update for beagle?11:43
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bhalejdub: not my call, but it seems slim to none11:43
jdubjoe tells me a "suck 100% cpu on certain file types" bug was fixed in 0.2.1011:44
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bhalebut its a new upstream11:44
bhaleneeds a full report to mdz for a final decision11:44
jdubwell, could just pick up specific fixes11:45
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jdubbhale: also 0.2.12 sounds awesome, but that's not a wildly brilliant reason for upgrading11:46
bhale40% less memory would be for me11:46
bhalebut im not the guy in charge11:46
jdubyou would totally be saying that in battle dude11:47
bhalewhat battle?11:47
jdub40% less enemy would be fine for me *CHA-SHICK!*11:47
jdubbut i'm not the guy in charge11:47
bhaleI am now.11:47
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