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| cbx33 | Hi guys just put a sound card into my edgy machine....and now the system is really really laggy, but with no visible processes running....IRQ conflict? | 12:22 |
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| HrdwrBoB | possibly, but certianly not relevant | 12:23 |
| HrdwrBoB | probably best for another channel | 12:23 |
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| Nafallo | mdz, cjwatson: hi! I just installed gnome-hearts, which segfaults on start. I found bug #65274 with a proposed patch from the upstream author. I'm currently have a package for edgy-updates in my pbuilder. does it sound like a candidate for getting approved? | 01:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65274 in gnome-hearts "Hearts crashes on startup" [High,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65274 | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | Nafallo: it's universe | 01:25 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: yes. according to the wikipage I was pointed to this is the way for SRU. | 01:25 |
| ajmitch | StableReleaseUpdates is for main | 01:25 |
| Nafallo | yay | 01:26 |
| ajmitch | I said that we were discussing universe policy on the list | 01:26 |
| Nafallo | yea, but I took it like we followed that wikipage until something new was established. | 01:27 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: so this means we can't push universe stuff to edgy-updates atm? until the policy is clear that is... | 01:28 |
| ajmitch | that's why we're trying to agrre on it by the end of the week | 01:28 |
| Nafallo | ah. | 01:28 |
| Nafallo | the package fixed it anyway ;-) | 01:29 |
| Nafallo | so pending-upload :-P | 01:29 |
| Nafallo | mdz, cjwatson: sorry for the noice, nm. | 01:29 |
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| mvo | sfllaw: ping? | 01:45 |
| sfllaw | mvo: Pong. | 01:46 |
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| mvo | sfllaw: I send you a mail about possible qa for the dist-upgrade testing some days ago. I just wanted to add that we might want to add a plain "apt-get dist-upgrade" into that scenario as well. | 01:47 |
| mvo | and check if that upgrades somewhat cleanly and doesn't want to remove e.g. a installed ubuntu-desktop | 01:47 |
| sfllaw | That seems reasonable. | 01:47 |
| sfllaw | I did do some Edgy dist-upgrading. | 01:47 |
| sfllaw | From Dapper installs. | 01:48 |
| sfllaw | But it is, uhm, difficult to figure out whether certain things will go well. | 01:48 |
| sfllaw | Especially for people who did Breezy -> Dapper -> Edgy. | 01:48 |
| sfllaw | Many of them lost their X drivers. | 01:48 |
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| mvo | yeah, I think the fix in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/68430 should help them | 01:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 68430 in xorg "Dependencies allow driver packages to be removed too easily" [Medium,Confirmed] | 01:49 |
| mvo | sfllaw: I agree, upgrades are the hardest thing for QA | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | mvo: are there any specs up for discussion on this at UDS? | 01:49 |
| sfllaw | mvo: This is probably why we're among the crazy ones. | 01:49 |
| sfllaw | mvo: That debdiff looks like it will solve that. Good job. | 01:50 |
| === sfllaw hugs mvo. | ||
| === Fujitsu lost X drivers on two or three Breezy->Dapper->Edgy machines. | ||
| ajmitch | ah, dist-upgrader-fixes it is | 01:50 |
| mvo | ajmitch: yes, we will discuss how to make the whole thing more robust | 01:51 |
| sfllaw | The simplest thing is to convince more people to dist-upgrade before release. :) | 01:51 |
| ajmitch | was just looking what to subscribe to :) | 01:51 |
| mvo | sfllaw: thanks :) | 01:51 |
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| sfllaw | Same here. | 01:52 |
| mvo | I think I will go to bed now | 01:52 |
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| mvo | bybye everyone | 01:52 |
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| jdong | what was the command again for disabling autoremove for a kubuntu-desktop metapackage? | 02:05 |
| sfllaw | jdong: What do you mean by that? | 02:09 |
| jdong | Whenever I remove the kubuntu-desktop metapackage, apt-get will bug me about 50+ packages that can be autoremoved | 02:09 |
| jdong | this is nonsense... I do not wish to autoremove them | 02:10 |
| bhale | it doesnt autoremove them | 02:10 |
| bhale | it just tells you about it | 02:10 |
| bhale | becuase they have no depends | 02:10 |
| jdong | bhale: I know. I don't want it telling me about those particular packages | 02:10 |
| jdong | it's bothersome | 02:10 |
| jdong | now all my APT output is twice as long | 02:10 |
| bhale | sorry you are bothered | 02:10 |
| jdong | I remember there was a -o something that could be used to exclude packages from autoremove.... | 02:11 |
| bhale | launchpad is a more productive way to air your greivances than to complain on irc late at night | 02:11 |
| jdong | I'm not complaining.... | 02:11 |
| jdong | I'm asking.... | 02:11 |
| _ion | You could remove or modify /var/lib/apt/extended_states :-) | 02:11 |
| jdong | _ion: ooh, that's close :) | 02:12 |
| jdong | I guess I can make that work | 02:12 |
| _ion | It sucks that it isn't synchronized with aptitude's similar database. | 02:12 |
| jdong | grr, any good ideas on how to turn apt-get autoremove's output into a script to modify extended_states? | 02:13 |
| jdong | :D | 02:13 |
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| TheMuso | c | 03:19 |
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| bmonty | ajmitch: are you going to link your authtool branch in to the directory team? | 03:28 |
| bmonty | oops, wrong channel, sorry | 03:28 |
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| sfllaw | http://xkcd.com/c178.html | 06:13 |
| Burgundavia | sfllaw: rofl | 06:13 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:52 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:53 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:58 |
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| Burgundavia | morning pitt | 07:59 |
| Burgundavia | pitti, rather | 07:59 |
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| pitti | hi Burgundavia | 08:06 |
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| === tfheen idly wonders which font people are using in gnome-terminal that doesn't look too bad. It looks horrible here, unless I want it to be big. | ||
| mdz | tfheen: wrong hinting? | 08:16 |
| tfheen | mdz: very possible. Vera Sans Mono has bold numbers "cut off" at the end | 08:17 |
| tfheen | http://err.no/tmp/blah.png has a screenshot with 8point DejaVu Sans Mono | 08:20 |
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| neuralis | tfheen: do you prefer g-t to the alternatives, or are you just using it since it's there? | 08:34 |
| tfheen | neuralis: currently, I'm just testing it again after a long absence. I tend to use pterm, but that one doesn't support compose sequences and clickable links. | 08:36 |
| neuralis | fair; pterm here as well, and the fonts work quite nicely. | 08:36 |
| tfheen | not having compose annoys me a bit, though | 08:38 |
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| Hobbsee | hey not-Mithrandir, aka tfheen | 08:39 |
| lifeless | do you mean the compose key stuff ? | 08:39 |
| tfheen | lifeless: yes. | 08:42 |
| lifeless | I recall that working in xterm | 08:42 |
| tfheen | Good morning, Hobbsee | 08:42 |
| lifeless | 08:42 | |
| sivang | morning | 08:42 |
| lifeless | yup, it works | 08:42 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 08:42 |
| tfheen | there were other annoying things with xterm, iirc. :-) | 08:43 |
| lifeless | ah well, each to their own punishment | 08:43 |
| tfheen | g-t just had the "is really slow" problem, but that's rumored to have been fixed or at least become less annoying | 08:44 |
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| jdub | http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ *COUGH* | 08:55 |
| pitti | hey jdub, how's it going? | 08:55 |
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| jdub | morning pitti | 08:55 |
| jdub | groovy! | 08:56 |
| jdub | you? | 08:56 |
| pitti | feisty! | 08:56 |
| fabbione | jdub: PANTS OFF DUDE! | 08:57 |
| Hobbsee | jdub: it seems you have a terrible cough there :P | 08:58 |
| jdub | comes out sounding like a url | 08:58 |
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| mpt | StevenK, https://launchpad.net/people/mpt/+branch/about-window/dev | 09:32 |
| StevenK | Ah! | 09:32 |
| StevenK | Except I can't reach launchpad.net at the moment. | 09:33 |
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| Burgundavia | mpt: apparently a bunch of us having issues contacting the datacentre | 09:33 |
| Spads | It appears to be a routing problem upstream. | 09:34 |
| mpt | ok, emigrate, then bzr pull | 09:34 |
| lifeless | lol | 09:35 |
| StevenK | mpt: Hah. :-) | 09:35 |
| === robitaille should touch some wood since I haven't seen any routing problems yet from home... | ||
| Burgundavia | robitaille: you are not having issues? | 09:35 |
| Burgundavia | telus or shaw? | 09:35 |
| sivang | me as well | 09:36 |
| robitaille | Burgundavia: telus. I can connect LP | 09:36 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, shaw no worky for me | 09:36 |
| Burgundavia | ironic, given we both live in the same city | 09:36 |
| sivang | works from here as well | 09:36 |
| Burgundavia | sivang: you don't live in the same city as me :) | 09:37 |
| sivang | Burgundavia: sucks to be me ;) | 09:37 |
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| Burgundavia | sivang: *grin* | 09:38 |
| robitaille | Burgundavia: to get to LP, Telus seems to go to Seattle then London. I would assume Shaw routes you to Calgary first | 09:39 |
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| Burgundavia | robitaille: no, I am going to same way | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | dying at level3 in london | 09:39 |
| robitaille | but I seem to lose 27% of the packets on the way | 09:40 |
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| test_ | I have created a ubuntu setup, this setup is going to be used on more then 1000 ubuntu desktop pc's. However. I want to create a recover-image cd. The idea behind this is, that if the user put's in the cd, restarts the computer and the computers starts a recovery process. The end result has to be, the user should have a installed ubuntupc just like deliverd. | 09:47 |
| Treenaks | test_: look at partimage | 09:48 |
| test_ | partimage doesn't work well with costum installed debs that are not installed through a repository. | 09:49 |
| Treenaks | test_: create a working system, image it with partimage... | 09:50 |
| Treenaks | test_: then you can restore the image as often as you like.. | 09:50 |
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| mcsmurf | iwj: ping | 10:29 |
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| StevenK | mpt: How attached are you to the code layout? :-) | 10:35 |
| mpt | StevenK, not at all :-) | 10:36 |
| mpt | Why? | 10:36 |
| === StevenK has made some changes, and gotten it mostly working. | ||
| StevenK | mpt: If you want a screenshot, that can be arranged. | 10:37 |
| mpt | sure | 10:37 |
| mpt | or just push your own branch | 10:37 |
| === mcsmurf wonders if mpt is the former Mozilla mpt ;-) | ||
| mcsmurf | I guess Matthew Paul Thomas is a quite common name though... | 10:38 |
| mpt | Alas, I've been found out | 10:38 |
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| mcsmurf | hah ;) | 10:38 |
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| mpt | Whenever I turn up on irc.mozilla.org some person I've never heard of says "You're not *the* mpt, are you?" | 10:39 |
| mcsmurf | well :) | 10:39 |
| Lathiat | heh | 10:39 |
| StevenK | Muaha | 10:39 |
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| StevenK | Hum. | 10:41 |
| mpt | Was my "just" misplaced? | 10:41 |
| mpt | If you're having trouble reaching Launchpad you likely won't be able to push either | 10:41 |
| StevenK | mpt: Ah, that has resolved itself. | 10:42 |
| StevenK | Push is in progress, according to the no output I'm getting from bzr. | 10:43 |
| mpt | heh | 10:43 |
| mpt | I reported that bug earlier | 10:43 |
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| StevenK | Ahh, there we go, output. | 10:43 |
| StevenK | phase 0/4, apparently. | 10:43 |
| mpt | bug 60171 | 10:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 60171 in bzr "bzr push appears to do nothing for several minutes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60171 | 10:44 |
| StevenK | Yeah, that'd be the one. :-) | 10:44 |
| pygi | :P | 10:45 |
| StevenK | And after all that: | 10:46 |
| StevenK | 0 revision(s) pushed. | 10:46 |
| StevenK | Thanks, bzr. | 10:46 |
| mpt | Did you commit first? | 10:46 |
| StevenK | Hush. | 10:46 |
| Lathiat | haha | 10:46 |
| === StevenK hasn't actually used bzr before. | ||
| pitti | StevenK: was this the initial push? | 10:46 |
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| pitti | StevenK: if so, it always claims to have pushed 0 revisions | 10:46 |
| StevenK | pitti: Nope, but mpt is right. | 10:47 |
| === StevenK gets out and pushes bzr. | ||
| StevenK | Faster! | 10:47 |
| mpt | bzr push --uphill | 10:47 |
| StevenK | mpt: That's the one. :-) | 10:48 |
| StevenK | mpt: Pushed. | 10:48 |
| StevenK | mpt: ~stevenk/about-window/dev | 10:48 |
| mpt | Cool, it shows up on Launchpad straight away | 10:49 |
| mpt | bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stevenk/about-window/dev/ | 10:50 |
| StevenK | ... Interesting. | 10:50 |
| dholbach | what happens if you check if out over sftp? | 10:50 |
| StevenK | Oh yeah, it was pushed over sftp:// | 10:50 |
| StevenK | Apparently, http:// takes a little while to catch up. | 10:51 |
| dholbach | it usually takes some time to show up over http | 10:51 |
| dholbach | yeah | 10:51 |
| === StevenK high fives dholbach | ||
| mpt | This is where I suffer from bug 43564 | 10:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43564 in launchpad-bazaar "hosted branches should display sftp information" [High,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43564 | 10:51 |
| mpt | Oh, that bug's assigned to me, I should fix it | 10:51 |
| mpt | grumph | 10:51 |
| === dholbach hugs StevenK | ||
| StevenK | Muahaha | 10:51 |
| StevenK | mpt: I have a plan to refactor the code, but the first step was to get it working. | 10:52 |
| === StevenK has also added an evil TODO item. | ||
| mpt | bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stevenk/about-window/dev/ | 10:52 |
| StevenK | I have this idea that a screenshot would have been far simpler. | 10:54 |
| mpt | oh, perhaps | 10:54 |
| mpt | though I would have needed to merge from you eventually anyway | 10:54 |
| mpt | if I'm ever to learn how to package software | 10:54 |
| StevenK | Ah. | 10:55 |
| StevenK | I should throw some Debian bits around it and create a package. | 10:55 |
| StevenK | Getting it working is more fun, though. | 10:56 |
| mpt | of course | 10:56 |
| dholbach | it's "not a branch" for me too. :-/ | 10:56 |
| StevenK | Did I push it wrong, I wonder? | 10:56 |
| StevenK | I am comforted by the fact that it looks like mpt's in launchpad. | 10:57 |
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| StevenK | mpt: In the mean time, http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/about.png | 11:01 |
| thom | "Ubuntu is the overall system" is hella awkward phrasing | 11:02 |
| mpt | yay for decrufted version numbers | 11:02 |
| mpt | I thought I deleted that text | 11:02 |
| mpt | Oh, I didn't commit that change | 11:02 |
| StevenK | Heh | 11:02 |
| mcsmurf | haha | 11:03 |
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| StevenK | mpt: I had a block of a text taken the default start page, which wasn't ideal either. | 11:03 |
| mpt | yah, I just nuked it. Minimalism is the new black. | 11:03 |
| mpt | What happened with the processor speed? | 11:04 |
| StevenK | Ahhh, about that. :-) | 11:04 |
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| StevenK | You only pull it from cpufreq, and that machine is no laptop. | 11:05 |
| mpt | Yeah, I was wandering around at UBZ asking various people how to get the information | 11:05 |
| StevenK | The problem is we can't rely on the speed being in the model name. | 11:05 |
| mpt | and people would tell me and then say "oh, but you need to be root for that" | 11:05 |
| StevenK | "gksu aboutubuntu" would suck. | 11:06 |
| mpt | indeed. | 11:06 |
| === StevenK idly wonders if this spec should be discussed at UDS-MV. | ||
| mpt | "Sorry son, I'm not telling you the horsepower until you've got your license" | 11:07 |
| mpt | It was approved at UDU :-P | 11:07 |
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| Mez | is there something wrong with security.ubuntu.com people are reporting MD5Sum errors (http://rafb.net/paste/results/NTnRJx38.html) | 11:08 |
| mpt | StevenK, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AboutUbuntu | 11:08 |
| StevenK | Yeah, I've seen that. | 11:08 |
| fabbione | Mez: yes, they are working on it | 11:09 |
| Mez | fabbione: cheers (I only ask as it's working for me!) | 11:10 |
| fabbione | Mez: hold on | 11:10 |
| fabbione | Mez: are these guys behind a transparent proxy of somekind? | 11:11 |
| === Mez checks | ||
| Mez | fabbione, yes, why ?> | 11:12 |
| Mez | <@davee> Mez: Yes, I think so, but that's never been a problem with other Ubuntu or Debian repositories before | 11:12 |
| fabbione | Mez: tell them to fix the proxy. kthxbye | 11:12 |
| fabbione | security works fine from here | 11:13 |
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| jono | do we have any kind of rules or expectations for people remastering CD images for a specific locale? | 11:15 |
| mpt | Anyone know where to report bugs about Synaptic? Launchpad says "not here" and its Web site doesn't mention bugs at all | 11:17 |
| mpt | and it seems not to be in bugzilla.gnome.org either | 11:18 |
| StevenK | It looks like a native Debian package. | 11:18 |
| StevenK | Report it directly to debbugs? | 11:18 |
| mpt | Eh. | 11:18 |
| Mez | mpt: theres a truckload of bugs @ https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bugs | 11:19 |
| mpt | Yah, I was looking for something a little further upstream | 11:19 |
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| mpt | but I'm not desperate enough to figure out how to use debbugs | 11:19 |
| Mez | mpt: I realised that after I hit enter | 11:19 |
| mpt | so I'll report it in Ubuntu | 11:19 |
| giskard | hello | 11:20 |
| thom | mpt: mailto: submit@bugs.debian.org... and in the body Package: synaptic \n some text. | 11:20 |
| Mez | mpt: mvo's the author though - so.... *shrugs* | 11:21 |
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| iwj | mcsmurf: Please say what you want, rather than just doing a content-free ping! | 11:38 |
| cjwatson | jdong: apt-mark is the tool you want | 11:39 |
| mcsmurf | iwj: a pong with round-trip time of course! | 11:39 |
| test_ | why is there no /etc/locale.gen in edgy? | 11:39 |
| mcsmurf | iwj: why is the build id of 20060601 hardcoded in Firefox? | 11:39 |
| mcsmurf | iwj: if it is actually... | 11:39 |
| cjwatson | iwj: judging from other scrollback, he's asking about the build id in firefox being apparently dated 2006-06-01 | 11:39 |
| cjwatson | oh, too late :-) | 11:39 |
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| cjwatson | test_: superseded by /var/lib/locales/supported.d/; if you just want to generate a new locale, use e.g. 'locale-gen pl_PL.UTF-8' | 11:40 |
| cjwatson | sudo locale-gen ... rather | 11:40 |
| mpt | iwj, fixing bug 69444 would make life a lot easier for me in Launchpad hacking :-) | 11:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 69444 in firefox "Ubuntu's Firefox DOM Inspector is incompatible with Ubuntu's Firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69444 | 11:40 |
| iwj | mcsmurf: That's an encoding of the distro version number. Websites don't need to know whether the user has run an update recently. | 11:42 |
| cjwatson | <em:minVersion>2.0</em:minVersion> | 11:42 |
| cjwatson | <em:maxVersion>2.0</em:maxVersion> | 11:42 |
| === cjwatson wonders if the +dfsg has confused it ... | ||
| mcsmurf | iwj: this is a quite weird use of the build id... | 11:42 |
| cjwatson | hope not | 11:42 |
| cjwatson | iwj: 20060610 would have been a much less confusing encoding | 11:43 |
| cjwatson | or 20061001, come to that | 11:43 |
| cjwatson | given the meaning of the "6" | 11:43 |
| mcsmurf | do you know which file was patched for doing this? | 11:43 |
| mcsmurf | (in http://librarian.launchpad.net/4927395/firefox_2.0%2B0dfsg-0ubuntu3.diff.gz) | 11:43 |
| iwj | mpt: I'll see what I can do about 69444. Debian have done something different with the dom inspector which is probably part of why it's broken. | 11:44 |
| iwj | cjwatson: That would result in a build id in the future. | 11:44 |
| iwj | So I arranged for it to subtract 6 months (IIRC). | 11:45 |
| mcsmurf | iwj: we already do have october ;) | 11:45 |
| iwj | mcsmurf: Yes, but edgy existed before october. | 11:45 |
| cjwatson | iwj: is that so bad? :-) | 11:46 |
| iwj | mcsmurf: Is the fact that you can't tell exactly which version it is just by looking at the browser string a problem for you somehow ? | 11:46 |
| cjwatson | (build in the future) | 11:46 |
| iwj | cjwatson: I don't know but since people seem to use this string for all sorts of stupid purposes I thought it might break some webshite's stupid javascript. | 11:47 |
| mcsmurf | iwj: no, I was just wondering since noone hardcoded build ids before | 11:47 |
| cjwatson | It would reinforce that it's notional. | 11:47 |
| mcsmurf | (and I'm active in the Mozilla community) | 11:47 |
| mpt | thanks iwj | 11:47 |
| mcsmurf | and mozilla developers tend to look at the build id, too ;-) | 11:48 |
| iwj | mpt: I'm not planning to do a firefox before mtv, though; I hope that's not a problem ... | 11:48 |
| mcsmurf | (there was some discussion yesterday if the svg support in Ubutu Firefox can be considered to be supported) | 11:48 |
| === mpt remembers the halcyon days when the build ID was in the title bar of every window | ||
| mcsmurf | since system cairo or so is used | 11:48 |
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| mpt | iwj, it's not awful, it just means using two laptops | 11:50 |
| mcsmurf | mpt: my build here still has that... ;) | 11:51 |
| mcsmurf | (SeaMonkey unofficial build) | 11:51 |
| iwj | mpt: You could use a chroot. | 11:51 |
| mpt | I think I don't have enough HD for that | 11:52 |
| iwj | Ouch, that must be an old laptop. | 11:52 |
| mpt | oh, 12 GB now, that should be enough | 11:52 |
| mpt | Last time I looked I had 1.6 GB or something ridiculous | 11:52 |
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| Manny | hi | 11:56 |
| Manny | how can I find whether anybody is working on particular packages (MuleHashDB in my case)? | 11:56 |
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| realist | I'd like to know that also Manny... | 12:09 |
| realist | Or more specifically, what packages no-one is maintaining | 12:09 |
| dholbach | Manny: is that a software that is already packaged? | 12:10 |
| StevenK | steven@liquified:~/ubuntu/about% bzr di | diffstat | grep changed 1 file changed, 85 insertions(+), 74 deletions(-) | 12:10 |
| StevenK | Yummy. | 12:10 |
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| Mez | doko, ping | 12:12 |
| Manny | dholbach: I don't think so. It has a setup.py script. http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/MuleHashDB/0.1.1 | 12:12 |
| === dholbach looks at it | ||
| Manny | dholbach: of course I know that your resources are limited, but I'm not a packaging expert and ubuntu is quite python-friendly, it has virtually all packages | 12:14 |
| dholbach | Manny: you could add it to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates or I can add it there for you | 12:14 |
| Manny | also note that aMule makes use of it | 12:14 |
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| dholbach | Manny: it's also better if somebody using it maintains it ;-) | 12:15 |
| Manny | heh ;) | 12:15 |
| Manny | well I'd like to write some ed2k scripts, because I need it and because it makes a good python exercise | 12:16 |
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| doko | Mez: ? | 12:16 |
| Mez | doko, regarding libstdc++5 in kubuntu-desktop - what packages is that for ? | 12:17 |
| pitti | Mez: it's mainly used for commerical packages which still need the old ABI | 12:17 |
| Mez | pitti, I was wondering if it was for any specific package | 12:18 |
| dholbach | Manny: added it for you | 12:18 |
| Mez | I know rar uses it (and I'm updating that now) | 12:19 |
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| Manny | thanks! :) | 12:19 |
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| aualin | HOW THE HELL CAN YOU MANAGE BREAKING THE PRISM DRIVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????? | 12:27 |
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| aualin | you REALLY KNOW HOW TO BREAK THINGS! | 12:27 |
| bhale | sigh, not you again | 12:27 |
| highvoltage | /kick aualin | 12:27 |
| bhale | please calm down or leave | 12:27 |
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| mcsmurf | thumbs up | 12:27 |
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| === Hobbsee wonders whether to hit the button | ||
| StevenK | Wait. Maybe +o is enough of a threat. | 12:28 |
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| aualin | you guys really know howto be ignoring! | 12:30 |
| aualin | bye | 12:30 |
| aualin | you idiots | 12:30 |
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| Hobbsee | bhale: can we just ban everyone from #beryl-dev? :P | 12:30 |
| HrdwrBoB | I see the problem, they were using KDE | 12:30 |
| bhale | Hobbsee: oh, please | 12:30 |
| Hobbsee | HrdwrBoB: kde wont affect the prism drivers, dummy :P | 12:31 |
| Hobbsee | HrdwrBoB: (i hope!) | 12:31 |
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| aualin | go and burn up | 12:32 |
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| StevenK | I note no one is forcing him to use Ubuntu. | 12:32 |
| HrdwrBoB | Hobbsee: I was taking a wholistic view, perhaps of the person rather than the actual problem | 12:32 |
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| === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!*@*h-89-233-211-46.wholesale.port80.se] by tseng | ||
| tseng | thats right isnt it | 12:33 |
| StevenK | Yes. | 12:33 |
| tseng | almost. | 12:33 |
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| dholbach | Mez: 3rd party apps use it | 12:35 |
| === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+dinrg Mikael] by Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | uh.... | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | drat | 12:35 |
| === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-dinrg Mikael] by Hobbsee | ||
| Mez | lol | 12:35 |
| === tfheen wonders what Hobbsee is up to. :-P | ||
| bhale | morn tfheen | 12:36 |
| tfheen | morning, bhale | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | tfheen: a +d ban, but i think i got the syntax wrong | 12:36 |
| Mez | Hobbsee is pwning the channel ;) run for your lives | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 12:36 |
| === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+dinrg 'Mikael] by Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | hmmm. that really doenst seem to work as intended. | 12:37 |
| === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-dinrg 'Mikael] by Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | i'm not sure why it drops all the other modes | 12:37 |
| Mez | because it set them ? | 12:38 |
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| === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+n] by fabbione | ||
| fabbione | so what do you need to do? | 12:38 |
| Mez | fabbione, darn, and I was going to get my botnet to spam the channel | 12:38 |
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| Hobbsee | oh, i know why | 12:38 |
| bhale | *yawn* | 12:38 |
| thom | oh, grow up | 12:39 |
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| Hobbsee | ah :) | 12:39 |
| Hobbsee | *that* got it :) | 12:39 |
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| Hobbsee | and it's even showing it correctly. yay | 12:40 |
| elkbuntu | ok.. so who was the actual problem here? the other guy or hobbsee? | 12:40 |
| Hobbsee | elk | 12:40 |
| StevenK | Both? :-P | 12:40 |
| bhale | the other guy has done this at least three times | 12:40 |
| Hobbsee | elkbuntu: of course i'm the problem. i'm the one who has ops in here. duh :P | 12:40 |
| Mez | elkbuntu, Hobbsee's always a problem :P | 12:41 |
| elkbuntu | Hobbsee, right you are, dear. | 12:41 |
| siretart | depending on your POV, she might also be the final answer ;) | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 12:41 |
| elkbuntu | siretart, final as in 'finally got the right mode'? | 12:42 |
| ajmitch | the same annoying guy in here? | 12:42 |
| Hobbsee | hahahaahahaha! | 12:42 |
| siretart | elkbuntu: as in 'the final answer for all problems' ;) | 12:42 |
| Hobbsee | I WIN!!!! | 12:42 |
| ajmitch | hey siretart, elkbuntu | 12:42 |
| Hobbsee | my ban keeps him out! | 12:42 |
| Hobbsee | [22:37] --> aualin has joined this channel (n=mikael@89.233.211.46). | 12:42 |
| Hobbsee | but he couldnt get here :) | 12:43 |
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| kmon_ | Is there any python ide specifically targeted at development for gnome desktop? | 12:52 |
| siretart | huhu ajmitch | 12:53 |
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| zyga | hello | 12:54 |
| zyga | is there anyone around interested in SABDFL's recent blog post? | 12:54 |
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| bhale | zyga: no | 12:56 |
| bhale | that sounds excessively painful | 12:57 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:57 |
| bhale | "many have tried..." | 12:58 |
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| Chipzz | kmon_: I think there's something like wingide, but that's payware though | 12:59 |
| Chipzz | and it's aimed mostly at python development too | 12:59 |
| thom | zyga: his diagnosis is more or less right, but i doubt he's going to get much traction. esp outside of the linuxes, since that adds a whole raft of additional problems | 01:00 |
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| kmon_ | Chipzz: eah, I was looking for a "monodevelop for python" thing | 01:02 |
| sladen | dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuOrganisation 404 | 01:02 |
| fabbione | ftpmaster: please do NOT accept glibc-2.5. Leave it on hold | 01:05 |
| dholbach | sladen: what do you want to tell me with that? | 01:05 |
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| sladen | dholbach: you posted a link on the bottom of Jono's blog linking to it | 01:12 |
| dholbach | no? | 01:13 |
| dholbach | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/motu | 01:13 |
| dholbach | oh and the spec links to it | 01:13 |
| dholbach | yeah, nobody stepped up to write the spec yet | 01:13 |
| ajmitch | more work for us :) | 01:13 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: I've been deliberately not touching anything in feisty in someone says "GO!" | 01:14 |
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| fabbione | Keybuk: i know.. i just had to make sure nobody accepted it by mistake | 01:14 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: it's pending Spads to upgrade ppc kernel on the buildd | 01:14 |
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| fabbione | the package is good | 01:14 |
| jsgotangco | dholbach: hey | 01:15 |
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| Keybuk | fabbione: does the new gcc not need to go in first anyway? | 01:16 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: glibc first, then gcc and then glibc again | 01:16 |
| Keybuk | really? I didn't think gcc needed glibc | 01:16 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: yes because there are several changes this time.. including an ABI change for sparc and ppc | 01:17 |
| fabbione | so we need to do it in 2 steps | 01:17 |
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| fabbione | Keybuk: is the publisher set to auto now? | 01:28 |
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| fabbione | (at :03 right?) | 01:28 |
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| Keybuk | fabbione: publisher is on automatic, yes | 01:32 |
| Keybuk | however uploads require manual approval | 01:32 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: ok thanks | 01:32 |
| marcin_ant | hi guys | 01:33 |
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| marcin_ant | I would like to develop some web application especially for ubuntu - can I talk abot it here or will you send me away ;) ? | 01:33 |
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| Spads | Powerpc buildds are going down for system upgrade | 01:33 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: please accept glibc | 01:35 |
| aualin | has feisty repos got new packages? | 01:36 |
| aualin | got some updates, (using feisty repos) | 01:36 |
| fabbione | aualin: only some bits of the new toolchain | 01:36 |
| aualin | ok | 01:36 |
| fabbione | it's not WISE to use them | 01:36 |
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| fabbione | not yet | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | not for a long time | 01:36 |
| aualin | like to use everything that is buggy :P | 01:36 |
| aualin | (as long it is something like: no x:P thats not funny, if you understand what i mean) | 01:38 |
| fdoving | mdz: does bug 69583 qualify for a update to dapper-updates too? | 01:38 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Low,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69583 | 01:38 |
| aualin | Ubutgu=bot? | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 01:38 |
| aualin | ok | 01:38 |
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| aualin | fun name:P | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | aualin: why are you here again? | 01:39 |
| aualin | calmed down | 01:39 |
| Hobbsee | oh good | 01:39 |
| aualin | oh, and have never used a proxy | 01:39 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: ok | 01:39 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: cheers | 01:39 |
| Hobbsee | aualin: you're right. the IP is the same | 01:39 |
| Keybuk | aualin: if you like X to work, you probably shouldn't use feisty at this point | 01:39 |
| aualin | :P | 01:39 |
| Keybuk | there's all probability that it won't even boot | 01:40 |
| aualin | hm.. | 01:40 |
| aualin | well i am not going to accept feisty x | 01:40 |
| aualin | got many kernels | 01:40 |
| aualin | oh | 01:40 |
| aualin | and i got 2 dists | 01:40 |
| aualin | sabayon and ubuntu | 01:40 |
| zyga | re | 01:40 |
| shackan | so what? | 01:40 |
| thom | this is so far off topic it's stupid | 01:40 |
| aualin | (sabayon is based on gentoo) | 01:40 |
| aualin | (these off topic things happen often with me) | 01:41 |
| aualin | but right now i am reading about 3d modelling | 01:42 |
| gnomefreak | aualin: join #ubuntu-offtopic to chat in general | 01:42 |
| aualin | thanks | 01:42 |
| Spads | Soyuz powerpc buildds are back | 01:43 |
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| marcin_ant | anyone that could answer question about python webapp policy for ubuntu? | 01:55 |
| aualin | not me... | 01:57 |
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| giskard_ | who i should ask for an X+ati bug/problem? | 02:14 |
| thom | rodarvus, most likely | 02:15 |
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| giskard_ | thank you thom | 02:15 |
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| giskard_ | rodarvus: ping :; | 02:16 |
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| rodarvus | giskard, go ahead :) | 02:17 |
| giskard_ | rodarvus: i got i have an ati rage 128 pr/pro agp 4x tmds | 02:20 |
| giskard_ | i'm trying to use the ati driver but X doesn't start | 02:20 |
| giskard_ | i get this: | 02:20 |
| giskard_ | and of bloc range 0xefffffff < begin 0xf0000000 | 02:21 |
| giskard_ | R128(0): mmap mmio: Invalid Argument | 02:21 |
| rodarvus | this error is quite cryptic | 02:22 |
| giskard_ | eheh :( | 02:22 |
| sivang | re people | 02:22 |
| rodarvus | you appear to be using the r128 driver, is that correct? | 02:22 |
| rodarvus | (please check it on the Device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf) | 02:23 |
| ^robertj | so what's the background on Mark's latest posting? | 02:23 |
| rodarvus | anyhow, lets move to a privmsg window | 02:23 |
| giskard_ | rodarvus: yes | 02:23 |
| rodarvus | not a topic for #ubuntu-devel :) | 02:23 |
| giskard_ | ehehe | 02:23 |
| giskard_ | ahh stupid freenode privmsg policy | 02:24 |
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| pepsiman | launchpad still shows hoary as "Supported". It was EOL yesterday. Who can fix this? | 02:24 |
| cjwatson | pepsiman: yes, we know ... | 02:25 |
| cjwatson | pepsiman: any launchpad admin, IIRC | 02:25 |
| cjwatson | I'll check, but I don't think I can | 02:25 |
| cjwatson | (we talked about it this morning; mdz was going to do it but had routing problems getting to launchpad) | 02:25 |
| pepsiman | ok | 02:25 |
| cjwatson | it's not that urgent | 02:25 |
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| ^robertj | sivang: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/66 | 02:34 |
| sivang | ^robertj: thanks | 02:35 |
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| Mez | hmmm- dri isnt enabled by default when installing ati drivers | 03:03 |
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| Mez | is the ubuntu website meant to be showing french translations on an english page ? | 03:26 |
| Mez | and now the same page with german | 03:28 |
| Mez | weird | 03:28 |
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| sivang | does anybody know how to make ConfigParser save state using option : value form instead of option = value ? | 03:52 |
| sivang | doko: ^ | 03:52 |
| sivang | the reference seems to lack documentation of this | 03:53 |
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| doko | sivang: no idea | 03:55 |
| Whoopie | doko: HI, did you find the time to look into the python-httplib2 packaging issue? | 03:55 |
| bddebian | Howdy | 03:55 |
| azeem | Whoopie: what's wrong with it? | 03:56 |
| Whoopie | azeem: under Edgy, python-support doesn't compile the python2.4 modules, only for python2.5. | 03:57 |
| azeem | ah, right | 03:58 |
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| sivang | doko: ah nice, it is not needed. ConfigParser does the right thing (tm) anyways. | 04:02 |
| cjwatson | sivang: the standard module has no way to do that. You'd have to reimplement write() | 04:05 |
| cjwatson | obviously, if it's not needed, that's easier | 04:06 |
| sivang | cjwatson: Yes, I feared that having data starting or containing '=' in them would break machine readiability, but it seems to graciously handle this. | 04:06 |
| bddebian | What's with this cjwatson nick? :-) | 04:07 |
| sivang | cjwatson: did you check the code or just recalled this off-hand ? | 04:07 |
| cjwatson | bddebian: decided I preferred it | 04:07 |
| cjwatson | sivang: checked | 04:07 |
| cjwatson | (cjwatson's my username everywhere anyway, so ...) | 04:08 |
| cjwatson | damnit, I wish there were a way to leave comments in glade files in such a way that the interface editors would preserve it. I've totally forgotten what I was going to use this bit of UI for ... | 04:08 |
| sivang | cjwatson: can't you just leave xml comments <!-- ... ? | 04:09 |
| cjwatson | sivang: I bet glade-2 won't preserve them? | 04:10 |
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| sivang | cjwatson: right, I just checked, damn | 04:12 |
| pygi | siretart: CLOSE SESSION command takes 25 seconds :( | 04:12 |
| pygi | siretart: CLOSE SESSION command (5Bh 00 02h ..) bla, bla, bla :) | 04:13 |
| sivang | cjwatson: seems it just treats UI meaningful stuff, we ought to open a bug about this. | 04:13 |
| pygi | sivang: was -tao one of the things you needed for HUB? | 04:13 |
| sivang | pygi: is it related to multi sessions recording in any way? ;) | 04:15 |
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| pygi | sivang: heh :P | 04:15 |
| pygi | sivang: I need a lot of reading, a lot of testing, and a lot of writing prototype code to make multi session work | 04:16 |
| pygi | sivang: I don't think I'm currently smart enough to implement multi session :P | 04:17 |
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| rc-1 | why should the arcatectural design of a system precede the development for a formal specification | 04:38 |
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| freacky22527 | hi! | 04:44 |
| freacky22527 | I've recently started a new project, a frontend for wine, which will be a clone of the windows Add/remove tool | 04:44 |
| freacky22527 | I made a "sample" version to test the libwine and everything work | 04:45 |
| freacky22527 | here is a screenshot | 04:45 |
| freacky22527 | http://freacky22527.free.fr/images/screenshot.png | 04:45 |
| freacky22527 | the program go to look into the wine (fake windows) registry and list the win32 installed apps | 04:45 |
| freacky22527 | But it's the first time I use gtk, so I'm looking for a "glade guru" to design the user interface, if possible | 04:47 |
| freacky22527 | is anyone interested? | 04:47 |
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| dholbach | freacky22527: try to write to ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com maybe | 04:55 |
| freacky22527 | ok thanks daniel :-) | 04:56 |
| dholbach | de rien :-) | 04:56 |
| _ion | You do have programmed it so that the view is separated from the controller, right? | 04:57 |
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| _ion | So someone could easily add a Qt UI for example. | 04:58 |
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| freacky22527 | _ion: not at all for the moment, I just made this version to do some tests, but I will ;) | 04:58 |
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| madduck | cjwatson: thanks for Debian#395473 ! | 06:03 |
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| cjwatson | np | 06:04 |
| cjwatson | madduck: planning to wait until the current version hits testing before uploading | 06:04 |
| _ion | It would be cool if ubugtu printed URLs for those, too. E.g. http://bugs.debian.org/395473 | 06:05 |
| madduck | cjwatson: "pending" is enough for me for now. molly-guard is still in the new queue anyway. :/ | 06:05 |
| _ion | Perhaps even scrape the title and print it. | 06:05 |
| cjwatson | debian bug 395473 | 06:05 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 395473 in openssh-server "please add suggests for molly-guard" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/395473 | 06:05 |
| _ion | Hehe, ok. :-) | 06:05 |
| cjwatson | ok, so it can sort of manage it, just needs a format tweak ... | 06:05 |
| cjwatson | it should definitely be told how to scrape it from the URL form it produces | 06:06 |
| cjwatson | Seveas: ^-- FYI | 06:08 |
| jdub | what's molly-guard? | 06:09 |
| cjwatson | jdub: the bug link above explains it | 06:09 |
| jdub | google was surprisingly unuseful | 06:10 |
| madduck | jdub: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/collab-maint/deb-maint/molly-guard/trunk/shutdown?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 | 06:10 |
| jdub | ha ha, cute | 06:10 |
| cjwatson | I haven't quite got to the point of eschewing provided links in favour of google :-) | 06:10 |
| madduck | jdub: | 06:11 |
| madduck | piper:~# halt #[366] | 06:11 |
| jdub | didn't think the bug link would explain what it was :) | 06:11 |
| madduck | molly-guard: SSH session detected! | 06:11 |
| madduck | Please type in hostname of the machine to halt: uh, no! | 06:11 |
| madduck | Good thing I asked; I won't halt piper ... | 06:11 |
| jdub | heh | 06:11 |
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| madduck | molly-guard, which was coined by Ben Hutchins, is such a perfect name for it. :) | 06:12 |
| jdub | i look forward to molly-guard in fisty | 06:12 |
| elmo | that has exactly the same problem as aliasing rm to rm -i | 06:15 |
| jdub | elmo: the "ah, fuck it" effect? | 06:15 |
| elmo | jdub: the "ah, shit this isn't a box with molly-guard installed" effect as the box shuts down | 06:16 |
| jdub | heh | 06:16 |
| elmo | but maybe that's what you meant | 06:16 |
| madduck | elmo: yes, this is a problem and i ran into it a bunch of times. | 06:16 |
| madduck | but only when testing | 06:16 |
| madduck | i mean, you don't really type 'halt' to provoke molly-guard... :) | 06:16 |
| madduck | but my goal is obviously to make it essential. haha! | 06:17 |
| thom | madduck: hah, nice | 06:18 |
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| madduck | http://debian.madduck.net/repo/dists/sid/main/binary-all/admin/molly-guard_0.2.1-1_all.deb in case anyone wants to give it a whirl | 06:24 |
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| Seveas | cjwatson, ack | 06:33 |
| Seveas | it's on my to-do list to extend the scraping | 06:34 |
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| keescook | looks like gcc SSP was lost in the feisty toolchain? | 06:38 |
| keescook | err.. | 06:39 |
| keescook | nevermind | 06:40 |
| keescook | my testcase sucked. :) | 06:40 |
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| gottreu | bi-arch or multiple architectures with apt: what's the status on that? | 06:41 |
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| gottreu | or where should I go to ask that question? | 06:45 |
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| Burgwork | gottreu: afaik, no work being done | 06:51 |
| Burgwork | gottreu: you can see the specs that are likely to be in the next version of Ubuntu on LP | 06:52 |
| gottreu | LP being launchpad? | 06:52 |
| Burgwork | yes | 06:52 |
| gottreu | where exactly on this launchpad? | 06:52 |
| Burgwork | https://features.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-mtv | 06:52 |
| Burgwork | that is your link | 06:52 |
| bhale | Burgwork: specs in LP for toolchain changes are actually 2 release ahead | 06:53 |
| bhale | feisty+1 | 06:53 |
| Burgwork | those are spec beings talked about at the next development summit | 06:53 |
| Burgwork | bhale: ah | 06:53 |
| bhale | you don't spec toolchain changes for feisty as it is opening | 06:53 |
| bhale | need to be ahead | 06:53 |
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| zyga | hey guys, I'm looking at rather annoying openoffice bug in edgy malone 67618 | 07:39 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 67618 in openoffice.org "OpenOffice doesn't hint fonts in Edgy" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67618 | 07:39 |
| zyga | it seems that debian has a patch to freetype that gets rid of this | 07:39 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 07:46 |
| zul | afternoon | 07:46 |
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| Robot101 | hm | 08:10 |
| Robot101 | is it a known issue that both the dbus and the dbus-1-utils packages provide scripts to start dbus-daemon in your session? | 08:12 |
| Robot101 | $ ls /etc/X11/Xsession.d/75dbus* | 08:12 |
| Robot101 | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/75dbus-1-utils_dbus-launch | 08:12 |
| Robot101 | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/75dbus_dbus-launch | 08:12 |
| Robot101 | and also that xinit and x11-common, both of which I can't remove without braining half of my system, seem to double up all of the other Xsession.d scripts too? | 08:13 |
| Robot101 | $ ls /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x* | 08:14 |
| Robot101 | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent | 08:14 |
| Robot101 | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xorg-common_ssh-agent | 08:14 |
| Robot101 | $ pgrep -u robot101 dbus-daemon | 08:14 |
| Robot101 | 5634 | 08:14 |
| Robot101 | 5638 | 08:14 |
| Robot101 | $ pgrep -u robot101 ssh-agent | 08:15 |
| Robot101 | 5629 | 08:15 |
| Robot101 | 5630 | 08:15 |
| Robot101 | :-/ | 08:15 |
| Chipzz | Robot101: yeah I think it's a known issue | 08:15 |
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| Riddell | dholbach: about? | 08:18 |
| Riddell | dholbach: able to join us in #ubuntu-meeting for a sec? | 08:19 |
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| keescook | ^^ that was pitti testing the old nvidia driver. :) | 08:50 |
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| pitti | hi Seveas | 09:08 |
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| Seveas | hi | 09:10 |
| iXce | hi | 09:11 |
| sfllaw | Remember how we found bug 69158 before release? | 09:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 69158 in ndiswrapper "ndiswrapper-utils downgraded from dapper" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69158 | 09:16 |
| sfllaw | Someone should probably make the simple fix of making ndiswrapper-utils do the right thing. | 09:16 |
| mdz | sfllaw: Kamion looked into it and found it hairy enough that he wasn't comfortable doing that just yet; please mail him and discuss it further | 09:17 |
| sfllaw | mdz: Really? OK, will discuss with him. | 09:18 |
| sfllaw | mdz: We should at least have a working one for Feisty. | 09:18 |
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| mdz | sfllaw: yes, see comments in bug 59983 (of which I believe 69158 is a duplicate) | 09:21 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 59983 in ndiswrapper "ndiswrapper in edgy broken" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59983 | 09:21 |
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| ^robertj | what's the correct package to file sync requests against? | 09:50 |
| crimsun | whichever source package needs to be synced | 09:50 |
| pitti | ^robertj: the package you want to have synced | 09:50 |
| ^robertj | pitti: assuming its err not there? | 09:50 |
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| pitti | ^robertj: ah, a new one? well, just 'Ubuntu' then | 09:50 |
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| slomo | keescook: i already fixed the mpeg2dec crasher... | 10:05 |
| slomo | keescook: FYI mpeg2dec's output buffers start address has to be 16byte aligned... for whatever reason ;) thanks for looking into it anyway :) | 10:05 |
| keescook | slomo: ah-ha! great. I didn't get far. :) | 10:06 |
| keescook | slomo: do you have a patch handy? | 10:06 |
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| slomo | keescook: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=75796&action=view | 10:06 |
| slomo | keescook: attached to pitti's bugreport | 10:06 |
| jud | hi....hey booting in recovery mode with edgy results with a root terminal???? isnt that a problem???? | 10:07 |
| _ion | Nope. | 10:07 |
| pitti | jud: why? | 10:07 |
| pitti | jud: that's exactly what recovery mode is supposed to do :) | 10:07 |
| jud | anyone can restart my computer!! | 10:07 |
| jud | booting | 10:07 |
| _ion | You don't have locks? | 10:07 |
| pitti | jud: anyone having physical access, yes | 10:07 |
| jud | yes | 10:08 |
| jud | office?? | 10:08 |
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| pitti | jdub: if you have to defend against untrusted people with physical access, the only solution is to encrypt your hard disk | 10:08 |
| _ion | It's the workplace's security problem if anyone can just walk into your office. Her being able to reboot your computer is the smallest problem. | 10:08 |
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| sfllaw | keescook: Did your vino upload make it into edgy-proposed? | 10:09 |
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| jud | anyway just wonder!! bye | 10:09 |
| keescook | sfllaw: I don't think so. I'm unclear on who needs to push it. | 10:09 |
| sfllaw | Kamion, I think. | 10:09 |
| sfllaw | Or mdz. | 10:09 |
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| ajmitch | ^robertj: /win 94 | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | oops | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | :) | 10:13 |
| keescook | ajmitch: you have *94* windows? nice. | 10:13 |
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| ajmitch | ^robertj: I don't think you'll need to file sync requests for new packages, they should be synced automatically | 10:14 |
| ajmitch | keescook: yeah, mostly ubuntu or debian | 10:14 |
| ajmitch | & /query windows :) | 10:14 |
| sfllaw | keescook: Can you get me a URL to the appropriate .deb? | 10:14 |
| sfllaw | The same one you uploaded to upload.ubuntu.com? | 10:14 |
| keescook | sfllaw: you mean the changes file? one sec | 10:15 |
| sfllaw | keescook: No, not the .dsc. | 10:15 |
| sfllaw | The .deb. | 10:15 |
| sfllaw | The built one. | 10:15 |
| sfllaw | I'm trying to make sure your fix works. | 10:15 |
| keescook | Isn't that LP's job? | 10:15 |
| mdz | keescook,sfllaw: it's the archive admin team who process them, as documented in StableReleaseUpdates | 10:15 |
| keescook | mdz: I sub'd the archive team to the bug. should I do anything additional? | 10:15 |
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| sfllaw | keescook: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 10:16 |
| mdz | keescook: you don't need to do that; they will look at the queue, see your upload, read the changelog, check the bug to verify, and then accept the upload | 10:16 |
| mdz | they do this especially on tuesdays and fridays, but occasionally other times as well | 10:16 |
| sfllaw | mdz: To clarify the SRU policy. | 10:17 |
| sfllaw | It's 7 days after the archive admin accepts it, right? | 10:17 |
| keescook | mdz: ah-ha, okay. SRU wiki didn't specify when those things would happen. it was uploaded yesterday | 10:17 |
| mdz | sfllaw: it's accepted into -proposed immediately upon verifying that the SRU is approved | 10:17 |
| mdz | the 7 day delay is from -proposed to -updates | 10:18 |
| mdz | is that not clear from the document? | 10:18 |
| bluefoxicy | Anyone have word on why there is no longer a disk management app obviously visible in Edgy? | 10:18 |
| sfllaw | No, it's not. It says... | 10:18 |
| sfllaw | "After successful testing and a minimum aging period of 7 days" | 10:18 |
| bluefoxicy | Was that pulled out of GNOME or just Ubuntu | 10:18 |
| sfllaw | So it's unclear when 7 days is relative from. | 10:18 |
| mdz | I'll clarify | 10:19 |
| sfllaw | Thanks. | 10:19 |
| keescook | sounds like we need a step 3.5) Wait for archive team to publish the upload. (Usually happens on Tues and Fridays) | 10:19 |
| mdz | it would be a bit silly to have it wait 7 days in the queue | 10:19 |
| sfllaw | and then have it immediately pushed to -updates. | 10:19 |
| sfllaw | That would be terrible. | 10:19 |
| mdz | keescook: I changed it to "The upload will be reviewed by the archive administrators during regularly scheduled processing" | 10:19 |
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| keescook | sfllaw: okay, so, apologies, I pinged you too early. :) | 10:20 |
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| mdz | I don't want to duplicate the schedule in multiple places, lest it get out of sync | 10:21 |
| mdz | I've also clarified the aging period to apply explicitly to -proposed | 10:22 |
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| doko | mdz: could you clarify as well 1) Propose *by email*, not i.e. by a bug report | 10:23 |
| mdz | doko: why? either method works for me | 10:23 |
| doko | mdz: ? last Friday you explicitely asked for email (the bug reports were already filed) | 10:24 |
| mdz | doko: where? perhaps I misunderstood your question | 10:25 |
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| mdz | it doesn't matter to me so far as all of the information is present | 10:25 |
| mdz | I'm not sure whether Colin has a preference | 10:25 |
| keescook | mdz: I guess the question is how to initially get your attention. should we email you, subscribe you to the bug, etc. That where I wasn't sure. | 10:26 |
| keescook | s/That/That was/ | 10:27 |
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| keescook | what information is needed for the SRU is quite clear. It's just not clear how to start the notification process. | 10:27 |
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| doko | mdz: 68396 and 68380, emails sent on Monday | 10:27 |
| mdz | keescook: I've added a bit to the doc about how to do it with bugs | 10:28 |
| keescook | mdz: perfect! reads clearly now, thanks. :) | 10:29 |
| slomo | keescook: well, not yet 100% correct, i'll fix it ;) | 10:32 |
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| keescook | slomo: see if you can add checks or docs updates in upstream libmpeg2. I bet others will run into this too. | 10:33 |
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| rpedro | can tell me someone who is resposible for the ubuntu daily iso builds? | 10:48 |
| rpedro | I have a problem with the latest daily jigdo template for i386 | 10:48 |
| rpedro | possibly the it's the same as edgy final | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | that could be | 10:49 |
| tfheen | rpedro: they haven't started yet. | 10:50 |
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| jdub | bhale: ping | 11:42 |
| bhale | hello jdub | 11:42 |
| jdub | bhale: what are the chances of getting a bugfix update for beagle? | 11:43 |
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| bhale | jdub: not my call, but it seems slim to none | 11:43 |
| jdub | joe tells me a "suck 100% cpu on certain file types" bug was fixed in 0.2.10 | 11:44 |
| bhale | yeah | 11:44 |
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| bhale | but its a new upstream | 11:44 |
| bhale | needs a full report to mdz for a final decision | 11:44 |
| jdub | well, could just pick up specific fixes | 11:45 |
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| jdub | bhale: also 0.2.12 sounds awesome, but that's not a wildly brilliant reason for upgrading | 11:46 |
| bhale | 40% less memory would be for me | 11:46 |
| bhale | but im not the guy in charge | 11:46 |
| jdub | you would totally be saying that in battle dude | 11:47 |
| bhale | what battle? | 11:47 |
| jdub | 40% less enemy would be fine for me *CHA-SHICK!* | 11:47 |
| jdub | but i'm not the guy in charge | 11:47 |
| bhale | *POW* | 11:47 |
| bhale | I am now. | 11:47 |
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