[04:22] <Burgundavia> yo! sloths? anybody awake?
[04:25] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you at least must be awake
[04:25] <elkbuntu> i am, but busy
[04:25] <Burgundavia> hmm
[04:25] <Burgundavia> and johnlittle has been awol for quite some time
[04:27] <elkbuntu> gimme a bit and i'll be able to help for about an hour
[04:27] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[04:44] <elkbuntu> ok? gobby?
[04:44] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[04:45] <elkbuntu> are we week 20?
[04:46] <elkbuntu> hmm.. nothing added to it in gobby
[04:47] <Burgundavia> no, nothing
[04:48] <elkbuntu> no you in gobby either
[04:48] <Burgundavia> coming
[06:04] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: can you proof read?
[06:04] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue20
[06:04] <Madpilot> sure
[06:04] <Burgundavia> thanks
[06:07] <Madpilot> looks pretty good
[06:07] <Burgundavia> mgalvin: long time, no see
[06:08] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: hey, indeed... hows things
[06:08] <Burgundavia> not bad
[06:08] <Burgundavia> our release notes feel apart
[06:08] <Burgundavia> but the UWN continues
[06:09] <mgalvin> cool, i am glad to see UWN living on and doing well, i read it all the time, you guys are doing a great job with it
[06:10] <Burgundavia> you coming back to help with the release notes?
[06:10] <poningru> hehe yeah
[06:11] <poningru> Burgundavia: you know for mv I can offer up my sobby server if they wanna use it
[06:11] <poningru> I dont know where to put that offer up though
[06:11] <Burgundavia> poningru: email Mark and Matt
[06:11] <poningru> sabdfl and mdz?
[06:12] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:12] <poningru> k
[06:12] <Burgundavia> oh, and jane silbers
[06:12] <Burgundavia> silber, rather
[06:12] <mgalvin> i will help when and where i can, should start to have some free time again within the next few weeks
[06:12] <Burgundavia> cool
[06:12] <Burgundavia> I don't imagine fiesty herd will be
[06:12] <Burgundavia> anytime soon
[06:13] <Burgundavia> hmm, "The usual term for a group of deer is a herd, but there are a couple of alternatives, according to the internet. These are 'leash' and 'mob', although I've never heard these terms used with deer.
[06:13] <Burgundavia> "
[06:13] <Burgundavia> http://experts.about.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/Groups-Deer.htm
[06:13] <Burgundavia> poningru: we ready to roll with the release?
[06:15] <mgalvin> ha, the Ubuntu Mob, sweet (that might not go over to well though)
[06:16] <Madpilot> 'the Ubuntu Mob' would go well with that "We're here for your desktop" poster johnlittle came up with :)
[06:16] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:17] <Burgundavia> that desktop rocked, too bad the image was non-free
[06:17] <Burgundavia> that image, rather
[06:18] <mgalvin> lol
[06:18] <Burgundavia> can somebody start uwn 21?
[06:18] <Burgundavia> http://xkcd.com/c178.html
[06:18] <poningru> yeah looks good
[06:19] <poningru> rofl
[06:34] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I have discovered your secret identity: http://www.nypost.com/seven/10312006/gossip/pagesix/birthday_girl_pagesix_.htm
[06:35] <Burgundavia> by "Richard Johnson"
[06:35] <nixternal> you actually read page six?
[06:36] <Burgundavia> no, I read thesuperficial
[06:36] <nixternal> ahh, and that was linked
[06:36] <nixternal> lol
[06:37] <nixternal> well, i didn't know i wrote for the NYP, but I did know that I am a famous author, a professional golfer, a weatherman for the Weather Channel
[06:37] <Burgundavia> rock
[06:37] <Burgundavia> I love common names
[06:37] <nixternal> a hockey player as well i believe
[06:37] <nixternal> i hate them
[06:37] <Burgundavia> I am me, me, me and some professor at some university
[06:37] <nixternal> i hate when i meet someone and they go, are you related to so and so
[06:41] <poningru> what?? pssh
[06:41] <poningru> nixternal isnt a common name at all
[06:41] <poningru> srsly
[06:41] <nixternal> hehe
[06:42] <poningru> nixternal: I am actually on  the opposite end of the name spectrum
[06:42] <poningru> Eldo Varghese
[06:42] <poningru> weirdest name in america
[06:42] <nixternal> actually, our best family friend is Varghese, and he is the Chief of Police from the very small town in Michigan wehre I am originally from
[06:44] <poningru> wtf
[06:44] <poningru> where is he from?
[06:45] <poningru> must be a malayalee
[06:45] <poningru> ask him this
[06:45] <poningru> malayalam ariyamo
[06:45] <poningru> elongate the ya
[06:45] <poningru> shorten the o and the ari
[06:48] <nixternal> heh
[06:48] <nixternal> he is from that small town...i guess him and my dad went to high school together many moons ago
[07:01] <Burgundavia> oh, I got my weekly thankyou email from JiaBin Huang
[07:03] <poningru> jiabin?
[07:04] <Burgundavia> he emails me each week to thank me for the UWN
[07:04] <poningru> hehe
[07:11] <elkbuntu> aww how nice :)
[07:18] <Burgundavia> hmm, I solved my cache corruption issue by turning off the cache
[07:18] <Burgundavia> makes it much slower to browse
[07:18] <elkbuntu> :(
[07:20] <poningru> rofl
[07:20] <poningru> cache corruption issue?
[07:20] <poningru> in ff?
[07:20] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:20] <poningru> wait you are an epiphany guy I thought
[07:20] <Burgundavia> yes, but the cache is managed by ff
[07:20] <poningru> 0.o
[07:20] <Burgundavia> hmm, it might also be an issue with my router
[07:20] <poningru> xulrunner you mean
[07:21] <Burgundavia> no, not xulrunner
[07:21] <Burgundavia> ubuntu doesn't use it yet
[07:21] <poningru> oh right
[07:22] <poningru> crazy
[07:22] <Burgundavia> 2.0 is out
[07:22] <poningru> 0.o
[07:23] <poningru> err I mean gecko
[07:23] <poningru> 2.0 ff == 1.8 gecko
[07:23] <poningru> 3.0 ff == 1.9 gecko
[07:23] <poningru> 2.0 == teh roxorz
[07:24] <elkbuntu> lol
[07:24] <Burgundavia> ah, right
[07:24] <Burgundavia> we need xulrunner
[07:24] <Burgundavia> don't know how that will play with Moz corp
[07:24] <poningru> very well
[07:25] <Burgundavia> no, they want us shipping FF
[07:25] <poningru> its not trademarked
[07:25] <poningru> well... we dont have to
[07:25] <poningru> ff can be moved to universe... thought I would be very much against that
[07:26] <Burgundavia> I would like us to ship ephy
[07:26] <poningru> yech
[07:27] <poningru> ... I totally fell for that
[07:28] <poningru> oh wow thats not a joke thats real!!!
[07:29] <elkbuntu> hahaha... corey got called an aussie!
[07:29] <Burgundavia> FF is a great browser for Windows
[07:29] <Burgundavia> it shows in all their decisions and how ti doesn't really integrate into Linux
[07:29] <poningru> elkbuntu: arr?
 no worries
 no worries.. that sounds very Aussie
[07:30] <elkbuntu> poningru, flip over to -locoteams
[07:31] <poningru> Burgundavia: well I guess... but a few extension later... its very linux friendly
[07:31] <Burgundavia> extensions are not an answer
[07:31] <poningru> ofcourse they are
[07:31] <Burgundavia> and that doesn't solve the udnerlying issue
[07:31] <Burgundavia> the way it stores profiles is very window-centric
[07:31] <poningru> how so?
[07:31] <Burgundavia> the fact that it doesn't really integrate
[07:31] <Burgundavia> every other app stores is ~/.app
[07:32] <poningru> same for ff as well
[07:32] <Burgundavia> moz is ~/.mozilla/firefox/asd;lfkhjaerst-978asdfkjh/
[07:32] <Burgundavia> or something like that
[07:32] <poningru> oh...
[07:32] <poningru> right
[07:32] <Burgundavia> that is a windowism
[07:33] <Burgundavia> where they instlal by default
[07:33] <Burgundavia> /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.4/, etc.
[07:33] <Burgundavia> not acting like a real library, with so numbers
[07:33] <poningru> they no longer have an installer
[07:33] <Burgundavia> no, the default package, until hacked by debian/ubuntu
[07:33] <poningru> again they dont have an installer
[07:33] <Burgundavia> almost everything debian does to Firefox makes it act more like a unix app
[07:34] <Burgundavia> I am not talking about their instlaler
[07:34] <poningru> then...
[07:34] <Burgundavia> I am talking about thier tarball
[07:34] <poningru> ok... why would you put that in /usr/lib?
[07:34] <Burgundavia> half the crap that FF does we don't see because iwj and others get in the way, with much pain to themselves
[07:34] <Burgundavia> becuase libraries go there
[07:35] <Burgundavia> I am talking about the /firefox-1.0.4/ not /gecko2/ or /firefox/
[07:35] <poningru> hehe I would put it in /usr/local/bin
[07:35] <Burgundavia> I am talking about the package that distros ship
[07:35] <Burgundavia> I deal with FC machiens at work, which ship almost stock FF, as that is what RH packages
[07:35] <Burgundavia> it is a fracking nightmare
[07:36] <Burgundavia> you should listen to whiprush talk about the pain of dealing with FF in a large deployment
[07:36] <poningru> but mofo has no control over where/what names rh puts for different libs
[07:36] <Burgundavia> did you listen to what I said?
[07:36] <Burgundavia> RH
[07:36] <Burgundavia> RH ships almost default FF
[07:37] <Burgundavia> in other words, all teh stupid stuff that moco does
[07:37] <poningru> Burgundavia: I still am not understanding you... the default tarball moco puts out... has not control over where it goes
[07:37] <poningru> I put the entire tar ball into /usr/local/bin
[07:38] <Burgundavia> the binary tarball or the source one?
[07:38] <poningru> binary
[07:38] <poningru> oh you mean make
[07:38] <Burgundavia> I am talking source
[07:38] <poningru> ah gotcha
[07:38] <Burgundavia> I could care less about mocos binaries
[07:38] <Burgundavia> those are even worse
[07:39] <poningru> did moco give reasons why these bugs were wontfixed?
[07:39] <Burgundavia> some of their process things
[07:39] <Madpilot> Given what *else* "mofo" stands for, how on earth has Moz Foundation been saddled with that nick, anyway?
[07:39] <Burgundavia> like not acting like a real library
[07:40] <poningru> Madpilot: rofl
[07:40] <poningru> that joke has been killed and beaten so many times in moznet its not even funny
[07:40] <poningru> no body even uses it anymore
[07:40] <Madpilot> yeah, I'm sure it's not an original observation, just amusing
[09:34] <digitalmouse> greetings programs! :)
[09:35] <BHSPitLappy> greetings mouse
[09:36] <digitalmouse> all quiet here, as usual :)
[09:39] <jenda> yo
[09:40] <digitalmouse> hey there jenda
[09:41] <jenda> aloha
[09:41] <jenda> 
[09:42] <Burgundavia> greets jenda
[09:42] <Burgundavia> 21 is ready to edit
[09:42] <Burgundavia> go to town
[09:42] <Burgundavia> needs lots of work on the "in the press" sectoin
[09:44] <Burgundavia> no worries
[09:44] <Burgundavia> y'all just a bunch o' slackers :)
[09:45] <jenda> I know :)
[09:45] <jenda> I'll do my best - but even so, I've still got marketnig stuff of my own to work on
[09:46] <digitalmouse> if there is something i can do (edit, report, interview, graphics, web-stuff), just holler!
[09:47] <Burgundavia> digitalmouse: play with the UWN?
[09:49] <digitalmouse> hmm... refresh my memory...  UWN?
[09:51] <Burgundavia> ubuntu weekly news
[09:51] <Burgundavia> pretty much the sole reliable product of this team :)
[09:52] <digitalmouse> ah right
[09:55] <digitalmouse> have not been in here in a while.  i offered up, and even installed, a web-zine CMS system for an Ubuntu Magazine (many many moons ago), but there never seemed to be anything more than 'talk' about it, and commitees, and meetings.  so i've been disillusioned about the marketing teams purpose.  but i am always willing to support the effort (when there is actually some).
[09:56] <Burgundavia> indeed
[09:57] <Burgundavia> there is a the fridge, which is somewhat seperate
[09:57] <digitalmouse> true
[09:58] <digitalmouse> and there were repreated 'meetings' here about what to offer that the fridge already provides
[09:58] <Burgundavia> I have mused about to merge them, but peope appear to like a "newsletter"
[09:58] <Burgundavia> regardless, we have the UWN
[09:58] <Burgundavia> it works, but needs people
[09:59] <digitalmouse> ok, i'll take a look and see if i can contribute somehow
[09:59] <Burgundavia> see the topic
[10:00] <digitalmouse> will do
[10:00] <Burgundavia> sleep time for me
[06:08] <poningru> hey guys quick idea
[06:09] <poningru> this may not be marketing domain... but still
[06:09] <poningru> can we check tonyyserver and see who provided most support in #ubuntu
[06:09] <poningru> then give some sort of reward according to that?
[06:13] <jenda> Say... and Ubuntu poster or two? :)
[06:31] <Burgwork> poningru: we should do verfiable things, no vague stuff, for prizes
[06:32] <poningru> right
[06:33] <poningru> it would have to be verifiable
[07:53] <nixternal> there was someone already doing that, but their server either disappeared, or they moved it elsewhere..i haven't seen it in a while
[08:16] <popey> why not help the people who reply to support tickets?
[08:16] <popey> that's more easily verifyable
[08:16] <popey> (although some people seem to reply to tickets with the only intention of bumping up their karma)
[08:20] <Burgwork> why not reward people for marketing?
[08:20] <Burgwork> we are the "marketing team"
[08:26] <jenda> Burgwork: I don't see us doing much marketing, though...
[08:27] <jenda> I'd like to see a good set of howtos for people who would like to market Ubuntu in their area.
[08:27] <jenda> Basically, what spreadubuntu was intended to be - I'm slowly working towards it, BTW, but I don't have enough time.
[08:38] <MagicFab> hi - is anyone using ttf-ubuntu-title in OOo with Edgy ? Just installed it, can't see it.
[08:38] <jenda> I think I used it.
[08:38] <jenda> I _think_.
[08:46] <Burgwork> http://www.platinax.co.uk/news/01-11-2006/linux-distros-u
[08:46] <Burgwork> http://www.platinax.co.uk/news/01-11-2006/linux-distros-ubuntu-trustix-and-suse-accused-of-email-spam/
[09:19] <MagicFab> Burgwork, Ubuntu is now a "vendor " ?
[09:24] <MagicFab> jenda, can you check it out ? The font shows OK in Gimp and other apps.
[09:26] <jenda> I used it just last week to make Jono a LoCo teams logo, i'm quite sure it works in Inkscape here.
[09:28] <MagicFab> I just have a problem in OOo. Can you check it in OOo ?
[09:29] <jenda> ok
[09:29] <jenda> hmm
[09:29] <jenda> MagicFab: what problem do you have?
[09:29] <jenda> seems ok here.
[09:30] <MagicFab> ubuntu-title font doesnt show up in the list of available fonts (Edgy+Ooo 2)
[09:31] <jenda> It does here :/
[09:31] <jenda> I upgraded from dapper
[09:32] <jenda> (somewhere at the beta)
[09:33] <MagicFab> me too.. :(
[09:33] <MagicFab> brb