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Nafallohi! ubuntu-sru is the correct team to subscribe for edgy-updates uploads, right? :-)01:12
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bddebianHeya gang01:13
bhaleNafallo: read StableReleaseUpdates01:13
Nafallobddebian: hi there :-)01:13
bhaleNafallo: kthx01:13
bddebianHeya Nafallo01:13
Nafallohmm, what's that SRU-team for then? :-)01:14
ajmitchthere is no ubuntu-sru team01:14
Nafallomotu-sru even01:15
ajmitchthat's for the *proposed* policy for universe, which we're discussing on the list01:15
NafalloI have a backlog for mail so... :-/01:16
ajmitchI'm surprised you filed bugs against 2.6.1901:17
Nafalloyea, I should have read the topic first.01:18
NafalloI'm back on 2.6.17 now :-P01:18
imbrandonajmitch, so did gnash look sane to you for upload when feisty opens ?01:27
ajmitchimbrandon: no idea, I haven't really checked it01:28
imbrandonhehe ok01:28
imbrandoni think i just started a flame-ish war in the kubuntu world01:29
imbrandon( not intentionaly )01:29
ajmitchwell done01:30
ajmitchthe 28th "-by-defult" spec..01:31
ajmitchseems to be the new thing to name them01:31
ajmitchalready accepted as a release goal, that's useful01:32
imbrandonyea mdz approved it01:32
ajmitchwe need to get some of our directory specs approved as goals01:33
imbrandona few minutes ago ( was suprised )01:33
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imbrandonfreeflying, you get irssi working on gobstopper? or just using ircII01:37
freeflyingimbrandon: i'm using konversation  :)01:38
imbrandonhrm how are you connecting from gobstopper then ?01:38
imbrandon[18:36]  --> freeflying has joined this channel (i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com).01:38
freeflyingimbrandon: ssh-tunnel01:39
ajmitchhm, I wonder if I should learn the python kde bindings01:41
ajmitchI guess I can see if I'll have time01:41
imbrandonyes, come to the dark side01:41
ajmitchmore that I'd write both a gtk+ & a qt frontend01:41
ajmitchso that we don't cut out kubuntu from the network auth config stuff01:42
TheMusoimbrandon: I thought one couldn't use dreamhost to run IRC stuff.01:42
ajmitchTheMuso: probably port 800101:42
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imbrandonTheMuso, well aparently freeflying is ( he has a ssh account on my server heheh )01:43
imbrandonand they have ircII installed but i dont like it, i tried to compile irssi but it dosent have the required perl modules01:44
imbrandonsoooo i would have to compile perl too01:44
TheMusoThat sucks.01:44
imbrandonand that was too much for my taste01:44
TheMusoBut they have compilers on the servers?01:44
imbrandonand its allowed01:45
imbrandonyou just have to watch your cpu hours01:45
TheMusoWhich you'd have to do if you are running IRC stuff anyway.01:45
imbrandononly 60 cpu hours a week are allowed or you get charged01:45
ajmitchhm, irssi has been running for a few months on my box01:46
imbrandonabout the only thing dh dosent allow is bittorrent trackers01:46
imbrandonother than that its pretty much anything go's01:46
TheMusoThey probably wouldn't allow streaming servers either. :)01:47
imbrandonthey even have howtos for compiling and installing other python versions than what they have installed incase your site needs a diff version01:47
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imbrandonyea they alloow streaming servers01:47
FujitsuHey LaserJock.01:47
TheMusoimbrandon: Like icecast etc? WHy not just install them for us?01:48
imbrandoni have an iceccast and darwin streaming server running on imbrandon.com01:48
TheMusoimbrandon: And how do you know this?01:48
imbrandonthe dreamhost wiki :)01:48
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ajmitchhey Hobbsee01:48
imbrandonthe darwin streaming server can be installed for you from the control pannel01:48
TheMusoWhats the darwin streaming server?01:49
imbrandonapples streaming server for quicktime01:49
imbrandonmov's rtsp:// etc01:49
TheMusoI'd rather use icecast.01:50
TheMusoNothing on their wiki about that.,01:50
Hobbseehi ajmitch, TheMuso, imbrandon01:50
imbrandonyea there is no howto for it on the wiki01:50
TheMusoHey Hobbsee.01:50
imbrandonheya Hobbsee01:50
imbrandonyou just compile and install it in your home dir01:50
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LaserJockhmm, my department server is running Debian stable02:05
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FujitsuLaserJock: Why?02:07
FujitsuNobody needs a stable server.02:07
LaserJockwell, it got fried02:07
LaserJockit *was* running Suse 9.1 I think02:08
FujitsuUrgh, anything's better than that.02:08
LaserJockwell, I think it's even different hardware02:08
ajmitchwhat's wrong with running sarge?02:09
FujitsuGood, you wouldn't want to run anything on a box which has been tainted by SuSE.02:09
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LaserJockwell, my problem is right now that mutt has weird characters02:09
bhaledapper is alright02:09
ajmitchah that fun02:09
LaserJockI personally would love to have a Debian/Ubuntu server at work02:10
ajmitchyou're too used to having UTF-8 enabled02:10
LaserJockcan I turn it on for just me?02:10
ajmitchprobably not02:10
ajmitchI don't know02:10
FujitsuUTF-8 was only enabled in Hoary, AFAIK, so Sarge won't have it.02:10
Fujitsu(global UTF-8 support, that is)02:11
ajmitchI wonder if we can kill off some of these specs02:12
ajmitchmany of which will just sit & rot & clutter up launchpad02:12
FujitsuIs there even a Rejected state for them?02:12
FujitsuBecause there's a lot of clutter and random crap there.02:13
ajmitchthough the display of the 'not for us' is broken02:13
LaserJockack, what would I change it to for en_US ? en_US or iso-8859-1 ?02:14
ajmitchif the locale is there02:14
FujitsuISO-8859-1 should be approximately the same as en_US.02:14
minghuaLaserJock: first use "locale -a" to check02:15
minghuaLaserJock: if en_US.UTF-8 is there, set it to that; otherwise set to en_US (which uses iso-8859-1)02:16
minghuaFujitsu: s/approximately//02:16
LaserJockminghua: sweet, I set set charset="en_US" in muttrc and it's all good02:17
minghuaLaserJock: yeah, that means you are currently using en_US locale02:18
=== ajmitch wonders if he should nominate people for the sru tasks
zulwhy not02:19
=== Fujitsu nominates ajmitch, ajmitch, ajmitch, and a few more ajmitches.
Hobbseeajmitch: nope, but you can process mine, thanks!02:19
imbrandonajmitch, sure, you started the ball rolling :)02:19
ajmitchHobbsee: no I can't02:20
ajmitchimbrandon: it's more a case of picking names02:20
imbrandonajmitch,  yea , thats what i said in my last email02:20
LaserJockdid anybody get my "MOTU Todo" email?02:20
ajmitchwhich I haven't seen02:21
imbrandonLaserJock, yup02:21
FujitsuLaserJock: Yes.02:21
ajmitchLaserJock: yes, we got your mail of your glorious ideas02:21
LaserJockok, my email is so screwy these day02:21
LaserJockajmitch: haha02:21
LaserJockwell, I'm sending from different servers02:21
LaserJockwith different addresses02:21
LaserJocksometimes things don't go right02:21
imbrandonhrm i got the email02:22
imbrandonbut it dident show on the web list02:22
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ajmitchimbrandon: I didn't get it02:22
imbrandonhrm yea i just looked at the web archive02:23
imbrandonits not htere02:23
imbrandonbut i have it in my inbox :(02:23
imbrandontimestamped 20 minutes before laserjocks email02:24
ajmitchhow unfortunate02:24
ajmitchit's a sign02:24
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imbrandoneven says it from the list in the headers :(02:25
Fujitsuimbrandon: I got that one.02:26
imbrandonis the contents02:26
imbrandondunno why its not showing up to everyone02:26
LaserJockimbrandon: I got it02:28
bddebianDamn, NWN2 was supposed to ship today..02:28
FujitsuNWN2 == ?02:29
bddebianNever Winter Nights02:29
imbrandonbddebian, dont tell me that i was addicted to NWN for months :)02:29
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bddebianimbrandon: Me too :-)02:29
bddebianI used to run an NWN server on a Debian server ;-)02:29
imbrandonyea me too02:30
imbrandoni still have all the scripts somewhere02:30
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imbrandonbddebian, we're gonna have to get a NWN2 server going :)02:30
LaserJockoh geeze02:30
jsgotangcowooo count me in02:30
FujitsuIt runs on Linux, does it?02:30
bddebianHey, we can make that the goal for the Ubuntu Games Server ;-)02:31
imbrandonFujitsu, yea its one of the few 3d games designed for linux too02:31
=== Fujitsu Wikipedias it.
bddebianBut it is "non-free"02:31
imbrandonyea i payed $75 for the client02:31
LaserJockif it was America's Army I'd be impressed02:31
bddebianThough I did like Call of Duty I and II :-)02:32
imbrandonhow much is NWN2 ?02:32
Burgworkimbrandon: paid, please02:32
imbrandonBurgwork, yea i'm lazy on IRC02:32
bddebian$75?? WTF?02:32
ajmitchIRC is no excuse02:32
jsgotangcoLaserJock: people who play that are all flash, no brains02:32
imbrandonbddebian, i bought the collectors edition with the maps t-shirt and stuff02:32
AmaranthThe most I ever payed for a game is $40. :P02:33
FujitsuThe most I ever payed for a game is...02:33
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FujitsuCan't say I've ever played a non-free (as in beer) game.02:34
LaserJockjsgotangco: you play what? America's Army?02:34
imbrandonNWN and UO02:34
LaserJockjsgotangco: grr, who play what? I meant02:34
bddebianMorrowind (and eventually Oblivion) ;-)02:34
LaserJockAmerica's Army and Unreal Tournament 2004 are the only games I've really ever played much02:35
LaserJockwe had my lab set up as a UT2004 lan server02:36
LaserJockwe had every machine in the lab playing02:36
LaserJockit was fun02:36
imbrandonman i dont know where my NWN cd's are, thats probably a good thing02:37
bddebianWho needs them with NWN2 coming? ;-P02:37
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imbrandoni hope you can make each of the areas bigger in NWN202:39
imbrandonwe tried to recreate a UO map in NWN and it was too small02:40
bddebianhttp://www.nwn2.com  You have to watch the trailer if you can, it's pretty cool02:43
jsgotangcothe problem is, im pretty much addicted to anything pocket at the moment, i just bought clubhouse games for the DS02:43
imbrandonbddebian, yea i just did, looks great02:44
bddebianjsgotangco: My old eyes are too tired for something that small :-)02:44
=== jsgotangco watches the trailer
micahcowanbddebian, trailer looks very nice, but gives me no clue about how the game's gonna be...02:46
LaserJockhmm, I've just never gotten into RPGs02:46
micahcowanI love RPGs, but I'm not into the truly random (dice-based-like) fighting. Like NWN.02:47
bddebianWTF?  You're not allowed into the Geek club then ;-P02:47
LaserJockbddebian: no, I'm a chemist so I'm in the Nerd Club technically02:48
bddebianmicahcowan: There are some gameplay shots on gamespot.com02:48
zulmicahcowan: so no dungeons and dragons?02:48
LaserJocknerds shun geeks and their obsession with fantasy and Star Trek conventions02:49
micahcowanthere're some gameplay shots on atari.com's site, too.02:49
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bddebianWell, the original anyway02:49
micahcowanzul, not most of the D&D /videogames/, no. And, unfortunately, when D&D was really big and I would've had more opportunity to get into it, my fundy parents wouldn't let me even think of it. :)02:49
micahcowanI think I'd really enjoy the actual pen-and-paper ones, provided it was a good team.02:50
jsgotangcoLaserJock: im thinking of getting one of those mindstorms NXT toys02:50
LaserJockjsgotangco: what the heck is that?02:51
zulmicahcowan: pitty02:52
micahcowanyeah :(02:52
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jsgotangcoyeah i grew up with them02:52
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jsgotangcoit has a 32bit arm702:53
micahcowanI had a MERP set (Middle Earth Role Playing, based on ICE rules), but my parents got rid of that when they discovered the "Channeling" branch of magic02:53
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zulmy wife has a whole shitload of lego in the basement02:54
zulplaymobil was fun as a kid02:54
bddebianWeebles man, weebles ;-P02:55
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imbrandontinker toys and lincon logs02:57
bddebianAnd Erector sets, ROCK ON ;-P02:58
FujitsuHahah, yes.02:58
imbrandonlol yea02:58
bddebianWe need more sharp metal toys these days! ;-P02:58
imbrandonwith small screws and bolts02:58
imbrandonsurvival of the fittest ?02:58
Burgworkimbrandon: https://launchpad.net/people/mythtv-dev/+members <-- your team shoudl include ubuntu- in the same02:58
Burgworkimbrandon: otherwise you are polluting the namespace of LP02:59
imbrandonumm thats not my team, but sure02:59
imbrandonohh i did get added02:59
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BurgworkI had this argument with the telepathy team as well03:00
lifelesschill out :)03:00
LaserJockunless they want to work on mythtv in general03:01
Burgworklifeless: given LP is more than just ubuntu...03:01
FujitsuBurgwork: Not by much.03:01
Burgworkregardless, we shouldn't shit all over the default namespace just cause we can03:02
FujitsuOf course.03:02
imbrandonsure, but i doubt it was intentional "shitting" on it as there is no written guideline03:02
BurgworkI suspect not03:02
imbrandonits all good jsgotangco03:03
imbrandonno ones is riled up that i can tell03:03
Burgworkhmm, the fun with text communication03:04
BurgworkI am not annoyed, but both jsgotangco and lifeless assumed that03:04
imbrandonanyhow Burgwork its a new team made by superm1 sugested by jono, so it can be changed easy tomarrow :)03:04
ajmitchimbrandon: did your mail appear in the archive?03:04
Burgworkimbrandon: yep, figured that is why I would get it quickly03:04
imbrandonajmitch, i dident check again03:04
imbrandonBurgwork, but i would write something up if you really feel strongly as i'm sure you dont have the time to police all new teams created03:05
BurgworkI will blog about it03:05
imbrandon( not sarcasim , just a thought )03:05
ajmitchimbrandon: ah, it's on gmane03:05
imbrandoni wonder why the weirdness ajmitch03:05
ajmitchwhy does everyone feel the need to nominate 95% of the active MOTUs?03:05
imbrandonFujitsu, and LaserJock said they got it too03:06
imbrandonajmitch, i just regirgitated those that were already nominated03:06
LaserJockajmitch: 95% ?03:06
LaserJocknot hardly :-)03:06
ajmitchLaserJock: maybe 100% then03:06
LaserJockthere are 15 nominations out of 5703:07
ajmitchI said active03:07
LaserJockthat's 26%03:07
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ajmitchwho else is active that you've forgotten to nominate?03:08
LaserJockI don't think anybody03:08
LaserJockthat was in fact my point03:08
ajmitchso you really want just any MOTU to approve updates03:08
ajmitchwhy don't you state that?03:08
LaserJockI want to have 5-7 people from the active motus to do it03:09
LaserJockand another 5-7 for motu-uvf03:09
LaserJock10-14 total03:09
LaserJockwhich is about what we've got03:09
LaserJockmy main concern is that we seem to always turn to dholbach, slomo, siretart, and crimsun03:09
imbrandonif you want _my__ nominations i say LaserJock, crimsun, ajmitch, sistopy, bddebian, me, slomo03:10
LaserJockwho are very busy with their own work03:10
ajmitchsuggest that then, instead of nominating the world & not making it clear that you want more than the initial 4 suggested03:10
LaserJockI just don't feel it's a good idea to keep loading the same people with all the review tasks03:10
imbrandonLaserJock, right03:10
ajmitchbut dholbach doesn't know that you feel that way03:11
imbrandonajmitch, ok i'll send a new mail right now03:11
LaserJockajmitch: well I actually didn't think people would accept the nominations03:11
=== ajmitch is tempted to not accept any nominations
LaserJockajmitch: you're right, my email was somewhat flippant.03:11
LaserJockajmitch: then don't. I wasn't trying to force people to do it. I just wanted to say "Heh, we have capable people here"03:12
ajmitchI didn't say you were forcing people to03:12
LaserJockwell, but maybe some might take it that way03:13
LaserJockI guess I should have been more careful03:13
ajmitchimbrandon: hobbsee will never forgive you03:14
ajmitchor LaserJock03:14
ajmitchneither of you nominated her03:14
LaserJockwell, I thought about it for sure, but I thought she'd be busy with school03:14
ajmitchshe always finds time for MOTU03:14
TheMusoThat she does.03:16
imbrandonok new email sent with my thoughts03:17
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TheMusoF*** speakup!03:19
LaserJockwahoo, I'm out ;-)03:20
ajmitchLaserJock: ?03:20
imbrandontell me if you get this one03:20
LaserJockimbrandon's new list of nominations03:20
ajmitchimbrandon: I still haven't got your first one, so I blame my ISP's mail servers again03:21
imbrandonwell it was hobbsee | LaserJock , i made a choice03:21
LaserJockgood choice03:21
ajmitchconfusing the matter again03:21
imbrandonajmitch, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29646/03:22
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ajmitchyay, I'm out too :)03:22
ajmitchhey bmonty03:22
bmontyhi ajmitch03:23
imbrandonwell you were in motu-uvf03:23
LaserJockhi bmonty03:23
bmontyhi LaserJock!03:23
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ajmitchimbrandon: so is siretart, who is very busy with his thesis :)03:23
imbrandonahh ok, well i did my part , thus the last line , thoughts , flames .......03:24
=== ajmitch doesn't care
imbrandoni wonder whats up with it, the official archives dont have my first one either but some seem to get it as with03:25
imbrandongmaine etc03:25
=== ajmitch wonders if it would have just been simpler to just have dholbach pick people
imbrandoni hate choosing03:27
imbrandonhow was the motu-uvf formed?03:27
ajmitchdholbach picked people03:27
imbrandonthat probably is the way to go then03:28
=== ajmitch probably shouldn't have been in it
LaserJockit doesn't really matter I guess03:28
LaserJockwe might want to get a bit better at doing this stuff quickly03:29
Burgworkhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalXConfiguration <--- any other tools I should add to this page?03:29
LaserJockwe've wasted quite a bit of time arguing the fine points of the SRU policy03:29
LaserJockI'm probably the worst about that :(03:30
bmontyBurgwork: how about making the use case of adding additional monitors be something more general03:30
ajmitch"what colour should the bikeshed be?"03:30
Burgworkbmonty: add more uses cases as needed03:30
imbrandonBurgwork, looks good, infact i started some sax2 packages a while back as thats a godsend on suse03:30
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Burgworkimbrandon: but does the sax2 code duplicate the new input/output hotplug stuff in xorg?03:31
bmontyI'll just slightly modify the one you have03:31
imbrandonBurgwork, not sure03:31
imbrandoni would have to look03:31
Burgworkimbrandon: hence the issue. AFAICS, we need a simple dialog03:31
Burgworkthe x people are talking about killing xorg.conf entirely03:31
ajmitchI think I'll hide from MOTU stuff until UDS :)03:32
LaserJockimbrandon: interesting, I detested sax2. it was always messing up my X configuration. maybe it was just me03:32
LaserJockajmitch: heh03:32
imbrandonwell the one reason i like sax2 over hte others is 1) easy 3d accell enabling and 2) it can use a working X server for display but dosent require one, it will outpout to FB/VESA if needed03:32
BurgworkI understand03:33
imbrandone.g. if X is totaly broke03:33
Burgworkthe latter is solved by the bulletproof-X spec03:33
Burgworkplease see the outstanding issues section03:33
Burgworkhence why I favour system-config-xfree8603:35
Burgworkit is bold and simple03:35
imbrandonwell in that case you only have basicly 2 options , 1) write something becosue the existing stuff wont work 2) fix xorg-edit to use qt/gtk03:35
Burgworkhow is that different than what we have now?03:35
imbrandonright in that case it will be duped in guidance03:36
BurgworkI am confused by your statement03:36
Burgworkguidance is qt03:36
Burgworkwe need an Ubuntu X config tool03:36
Burgworknot a Kubuntu one03:36
LaserJockwhy would it be DE specific?03:37
LaserJockthat seems sort of odd to me03:37
Burgworkbecause QT is not in the default install of Ubuntu03:37
bmontyBurgwork: I modified the use case to be more general to multiple monitors instead of just two monitors03:38
imbrandonLaserJock, and because the ubuntu and kubuntu config screens are quite diffrent, you dont want one tool standing out03:38
Burgworksounds good03:38
Toadstoolhey there03:38
LaserJockhmm, I was thinking it would be outside of the Gnome and KDE config systems03:39
BurgworkLaserJock: Xorg is already starting to deal with autoconfiguration03:39
LaserJocklike for Fluxbox or XFCE people, etc03:39
Burgworkwe need a GUI to drive that03:39
LaserJocka wxpython GUI is no good?03:39
Burgworknot in main03:39
Burgworknor does it handle QT/KDE03:39
LaserJockI thought wxwidgets were DE neutral03:40
LaserJockbut nevermind03:40
Burgworkyes, but is not in main and has security issues03:40
Burgworkactually, wxwidgets is GTK on LInux, Cocoa on Mac and native on Windows03:41
LaserJockTk? :-)03:41
Burgworkyou cannot be serious03:41
LaserJockonly a little bit03:42
Burgworkif you insist on Tk, I will make you package this Tcl code my company just threw over the wall... :)03:42
ajmitchLaserJock: you don't know how much Burgwork loves Tk?03:42
LaserJockajmitch: oh, I do03:42
Burgworkif I ran a desktop of nothing but Tk, I might reconsider03:42
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Burgworkanyway, I need to go home03:43
Burgworkis 7pm03:43
FujitsuBye, Burgwork.03:43
LaserJockI just think it's kinda silly to have to do both qt and gtk interfaces for something that is DE neutral03:43
LaserJockbut I think that about a lot of things so I'm pretty useless03:44
ajmitchLaserJock: sad, but that's the way a lot of things are03:44
imbrandonwell i'm kinda confused on why it needs to support qt/kde if its for ubuntu03:45
imbrandonas he said guidance works for kubuntu03:45
LaserJockhmm, ok03:45
LaserJockso sort of the adept route03:45
ajmitchimbrandon: mainly because it's not fun to support 2 different code bases & feature sets03:45
imbrandonajmitch, right but kubuntu is likely to support guidance as its pretty tied into KDE03:46
imbrandonand all of our other config stuff is in guidance03:46
imbrandonthink gconf03:46
imbrandonadept is looking for a new dev team anyhow /me sugests ksynaptic be updated personaly03:47
LaserJockI just use synaptic :/03:48
imbrandonwell ksynaptic is/was part of that project but it is unmaintained now in svn03:49
imbrandonand so is adept ( mornfall gave it up i guess )03:49
FujitsuSooo you're stuffed!03:50
jsgotangcothere is no such thing as stuffed in the pursuit of world domination03:52
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jsgotangcoLaserJock: i'm actually thinking of retiring for a while and explore the other side of the fence03:53
ajmitchjsgotangco: windows?03:54
jsgotangcoalthough current work requires me too as well03:54
jsgotangcoits just so hard to balance things lately03:54
imbrandonosx ?03:54
jsgotangcomore like go back to supporting hp ux03:54
LaserJockoh, that's sad03:55
jsgotangcodigitization of media companies is one thing free software hasn't penetrated yet03:55
jsgotangcoworking again in a big company with national relevance made me realize we are still not there03:58
jsgotangcoor probably in my local space03:58
LaserJockI'm the only desktop Linux user in my department I think04:00
LaserJocklots of OS X04:00
LaserJockbut FLOSS means nothing to people here04:00
imbrandontime to go raid the candy dish of whats left, brb04:02
LaserJockyeah, I'm eying my stash04:02
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jsgotangcoLaserJock: over here, we are basically shielded from BSA stuff because we declare so much of software licenses there is very little incentive to look into FLOSS04:03
jsgotangcoLaserJock: but we have underutilised hardware and virtualization is what we are eyeing04:03
tritiumwoohoo, finally got mythtv working with my HD card on edgy with mythtv 0.20 :)04:10
imbrandontritium, cool04:10
imbrandonFujitsu, no halloween? ouch04:10
Fujitsuimbrandon: It's a North American thing!04:11
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tritiumimbrandon: I'm very pleased.  A few bugs with mythweb I'll take a look at.  Looks like the 0.20a patch hasn't been applied yet.04:11
imbrandontritium, probably not as 0.20 made it in after uvf04:11
imbrandonthat was one of my final uploads04:11
tritiumimbrandon: yeah, I saw that.  Many thanks to you.04:11
imbrandonnp, thanks superm, he did the majority of the work, i just did some package cleanup04:12
tritiumVery cool.04:12
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tritiumHey LaserJock :)04:12
imbrandonman i'm gonna be on a sugar rush for a few hours now04:13
imbrandontooo many nerds04:13
tritiumYou all are so friendly to me, considering I'm inactive :)04:13
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tritiumheh, not like the fire my boss already lit04:14
imbrandonthey seem to be good for that04:16
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ajmitchbddebian: I haven't seen any uploads from you lately04:19
bddebianI know, I suck :-(04:19
jsgotangcobecause he's been playing too much games04:19
bddebianI wish04:19
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ajmitchhi Burgundavia04:21
jsgotangcowelcome back Burgundavia04:21
imbrandondebuild -S -saheya Burgundavia04:21
Burgundaviahey jsgotangco,a ajmitch04:21
Burgundaviait be cold today04:21
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FujitsuNo packaging our Burgundavia!04:22
BurgundaviaI got just fine without packaging thanks04:22
Burgundaviathe ladies like it better that way04:22
ajmitchnearly 18K open bugs04:24
ajmitchwe're doing well04:25
Burgundavianot really04:25
Burgundaviait was under 4k at one point04:25
ajmitchwell the number of bugs filed per week seems to be rising04:25
imbrandonas with the number of users04:26
imbrandoni'm sure04:26
Burgundavianumber seems pretty stable, according to carthik04:26
Burgundaviarate of rise, rather04:27
ajmitchhard to see since that's only over a week04:28
Burgundaviabloody LP and their bloody inability to produce useful stats04:28
imbrandon1000 new bugs opened in one week?04:31
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Fujitsuimbrandon: Yes.04:32
Fujitsuimbrandon: Very easily.04:32
ajmitchimbrandon: hence why I think the rate of bug filign has gone up04:32
imbrandonholly fskin hell, how are less than 100 people supose to keep up with that04:32
Burgundaviagnome is seeing somewhat similar, due to their new bug crashing stuff04:32
ajmitchimbrandon: we don't keep up, that's the problem04:33
imbrandonthats every developer for ubuntu doing ~1.8 bugs a day, every day, and no regressions04:34
imbrandonman o man04:34
imbrandonthat sucks04:34
FujitsuWe could really do with more triagers :/04:35
LaserJockwe could do with more people who can forward upstream and/or fix the bugs04:36
FujitsuA load of those bugs are dupes, I'm sure, and they probably don't get marked as such for some time, or ever.04:36
Burgundaviatake a peak at the top closer this week04:37
LaserJockyeah, I saw that04:37
BurgundaviaLP lacks all the nice automated tools like that04:39
Burgundaviasuch as backtrace comparison, etc.04:39
Burgundaviain other words: Malone sucks04:39
FujitsuAnd it makes it very hard to create them.04:39
BurgundaviaFujitsu: by making it closed source? yes04:39
jsgotangcowe're drinking more than we can from the firehose04:39
FujitsuBurgundavia: Even though it is closed, it'd be a whole lot easier if it had a clean machine-parseable bug display.04:40
Burgundaviaan xml-rpc interface?'04:40
LaserJockfor instance04:40
FujitsuIt has one, although only for basic bug filing.04:40
jsgotangcoit has one04:40
Burgundaviait is almost time for another "LP is hurting Ubuntu" blog post04:41
LaserJockI don't think it's very useful from what I've heard04:41
FujitsuLaserJock: It isn't.04:41
FujitsuBurgundavia: How long since the last one?04:41
BurgundaviaFujitsu: couple of months, maybe a year04:41
LaserJockwell, mostly I have issues because I don't want to go out and write stuff (like Fujitsu and I did) when it really should be included in LP04:42
FujitsuI love the very complete XML-RPC interface: https://help.launchpad.net/MaloneXMLRPC04:42
LaserJockif we are going to use the thing then we should be able to make it better04:42
BurgundaviaLaserJock: opensource 10104:43
FujitsuI don't like having to write stuff that uses html2text, grep, sed, awk and cut to get sense out of http://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+packagebugs04:43
LaserJockI mean, I know the LP guys are working hard04:43
LaserJockbut LP is not terribly helpful for developers04:44
FujitsuThere's been very little Malone improvement since I've been around.04:44
LaserJockit seems to have cool features04:44
Burgundaviabut the LP guys have been working hard for 2 years04:44
Burgundaviawithout really making anybody happy04:44
LaserJock but it seems awfully hard to use04:44
Burgundaviaa lot of the UI blame can be laid at Marks door04:44
LaserJockI wonder if it's got some fundamental design flaws04:44
BurgundaviaI think it has some nasty underbits too04:45
Burgundavialike the fact that they have to take it down to update it04:45
FujitsuYes, that's bad.04:45
BurgundaviaFujitsu: like underwear, but for programs. Underwear you cannot change with killing yourself04:45
FujitsuLike, a few hours downtime a couple of days before release.04:45
jsgotangcotake everything down even04:45
imbrandonwell everything depends on it04:46
FujitsuNo Soyuz, no bugs, no wiki editing.04:46
jsgotangcoyou can't even edit the wiki04:46
imbrandon( not a good thing )04:46
Fujitsuimbrandon: It isn't a bad thing, if it is reliable enough.04:46
imbrandonwell you cant tell me that the way they do it they cant have another system loaded with the new code ( like staging ) ready to go, swap the boxes, and use the current one for the next rollout04:47
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imbrandonno physicaly but you know what i mean04:48
Burgundaviaat what point do we (the community) say to Canonical: We refuse to your close source tools. Make them open source or we will setup our own04:48
ajmitchimbrandon: because of database changes - they'd need to migrate all changes made during that downtime04:48
imbrandonwow it still has scema changes04:49
jsgotangcolunch brb04:49
FujitsuWith a bit of trickery, they could take a copy of the production database, then sync it somehow with only a few minutes downtime.04:49
Fujitsuimbrandon: Yes.04:49
minghuaBurgundavia: all the community that needs to use LP frequently being?  (I am thinking only the ~50 MOTUs)04:49
FujitsuBurgundavia: It's getting close, we're drowning in bugs and stuff.04:49
imbrandonBurgundavia, yea i'm kinda of that mindset too but again we're streched thin04:49
Burgundaviaus, those of us in this channel, etc.04:49
Burgundaviathe really core people04:49
minghuaI surely won't object boycotting LP if there is an alternative04:50
Burgundaviathe issue is, if it gets public, it gets really really messy04:50
minghua(but I am far from a core people, of course)04:50
Burgundaviawe need to sit Mark down and say "We are fed up. This is what we want"04:51
Burgundaviaand we want dates, not promises04:51
nixternal5 more days and you can do that ;)04:51
imbrandonit might be a good subject for MTV04:51
Burgundavianixternal: no, actually, I can't04:51
imbrandonbut not "officialy"04:51
BurgundaviaI am not going to be at MTV04:51
nixternaloh ya, you and are are stuck04:51
nixternalthe feds are saying no to me ditching school on their dime04:51
Burgundaviait also needs to be a gropu thing04:51
FujitsuThis needs to be brought up with Mark in the near future.04:51
FujitsuCan we collect a large group of people?04:51
FujitsuI'm sure some bug triagers would join us.04:52
Burgundaviait should be a private thing, however04:52
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Burgundaviawe don't want it splashed all over slashdot, etc.04:52
ajmitchBurgundavia: it's not something you want to use to shame people04:52
Burgundaviano, far from it04:52
minghuayeah, sure be kept private04:52
FujitsuThis could be absolutely disastrous if it goes wrong or gets out to the FOSS media...04:52
Burgundaviait is a family dispute, it should be kept private04:52
nixternaltell fabbione to wipe this log from http space ;)04:53
Burgundaviahow many other times have we bitched about LP behind the scenes?04:53
ajmitchevery few days04:53
FujitsuBurgundavia: Many, many hundreds!04:53
nixternalFujitsu: you remember the night where my username and password got posted in this chan?04:53
imbrandonwhats is the resoning for keeping LP closed anyhow ?04:53
Fujitsunixternal: Yes, you got that obliterated?04:53
nixternalyou would be amazed by how many people have tried to use it aginst that server04:53
Burgundaviaimbrandon: unknown04:53
Fujitsuimbrandon: Oh no, not this again :/04:53
Fujitsunixternal: Ouch.04:54
ajmitchimbrandon: competitive advantage04:54
nixternalno it didn't..i contacte him as well04:54
nixternalno damage done..that was a 1 use password and got changed04:54
Fujitsuajmitch: More frequent than that, and the frequency is increasing.04:54
imbrandonthat seems strange as floss is about competition04:54
nixternali thought that once it was "complete" that it was going to be open source?04:54
ajmitchnixternal: funny04:55
LaserJockyeah, but I'm starting to feel like the Fedora guys a bit04:55
nixternalkind of sounds like this strip club by o'hare airport..they keep it under construction so the gov't doesn't close it down04:55
nixternalit has been under construction for more than 15 years that i know of04:55
FujitsuLaserJock: How?04:55
LaserJockFujitsu: they complain about just being Red Hat's guinea pigs04:56
nixternalim not feeling the fedora guys...kde is responsive and fast in Kubuntu, unlike it is for them04:56
Burgundaviathe only issue we have with caonical is LP04:56
Burgundaviaeverything else works fairly well04:56
FujitsuCanonical is great, other than LP, yes.04:56
FujitsuAnd LP could be great.04:56
BurgundaviaLP could seriously rock04:56
LaserJockwell, here's the reason I haven't made a big complaint about LP04:57
FujitsuIt could really, really rock.04:57
LaserJockeven if it was open source I'm not sure it would move much faster04:57
nixternalLaserJock: my friends and family pretty much say the same thing...like they have us brainwashed to work for free...maybe a couple of more kicks to their head they will understand04:57
BurgundaviaLaserJock: yes, yes it would04:57
nixternalmy dad is getting close, as he is sick of the "closed standards" in his line of work04:57
Burgundaviahow many python devs work on Ubuntu?04:57
FujitsuBurgundavia: A lot, although they're often tied up with Ubuntu stuff.04:58
LaserJockyeah, but that adds a ton more development work that maybe should be going into Ubuntu and not LP04:58
Burgundaviait would be modularized, to break off each piece04:58
nixternaldo a /who in #ubuntu-devel im sure you can get an accurate count ;)04:58
LaserJockI mean I'd love to see it opened up04:58
LaserJockbut that doesn't mean I'm would be working on it04:58
Burgundaviait is the kind of thing that would attract people04:58
nixternalheh, even if it was opened, i still wouldn't be able to do any more with it ;)04:59
FujitsuLP is a big turn off for some people, I know.04:59
LaserJockI'm just not sure it is built in a fashion that would allow it to be easily opened04:59
FujitsuDDs complain about Ubuntu, because its infrastructure is non-free.04:59
Burgundaviathat is Canonical's problem, not ours04:59
Burgundaviaif they build it monolithic, they get to pay the price05:00
FujitsuCorrect, Burgundavia.05:00
LaserJockI don't know05:03
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LaserJockI just think it could really throw us off course to have a big infrastructure revolution05:03
Burgundaviawell, if Canonical says no, then we have an issue05:04
FujitsuBurgundavia: Not really. We just use Bugzilla instead. Problem solved.05:04
Burgundaviabut we need to get our bugs out of LP05:04
Burgundaviaand what about specs?05:04
bddebianviva la revoluccion05:04
imbrandonand soyuz05:04
Burgundaviasoyuz is the one we really can't replace easily05:05
ajmitchunless you go back to dak05:05
FujitsuBugs out of LP means maybe a couple of hours of script writing, then programatically iterate through the bugs. Not difficult.05:05
Burgundaviaregardless, if enough of us demand a date, I think we can get it05:05
FujitsuYes, I was thinking dak. It's not that bad.05:05
BurgundaviaMark has coasted on teh community being pliant05:06
LaserJockforking LP functionality would be a disaster for the community I think05:06
FujitsuI guess they're really not going to like it if we revolt.05:06
FujitsuLaserJock: LP is a disaster for the community at the moment, anyway.05:06
LaserJockno it's not05:06
LaserJockit's not ideal for sure05:06
LaserJockbut it isn't *that* bad05:06
LaserJockpeople are using it05:06
LaserJockand it is functional05:07
LaserJockit's just not the way we want it05:07
Burgundaviabut we are stuck05:07
LaserJockhaving things like Rosseta and Soyuz and Blueprint are pretty cool05:07
LaserJockMalone needs work for sure05:08
FujitsuSoyuz isn't great, but it's not bad.05:08
joejaxxwhat is wrong with launchpad?05:08
Burgundaviajoejaxx: closed source05:08
LaserJockbut saying something like "We're going to use our own BTS" is a bit overboard IMO05:08
LaserJockbut I highly doubt it would come to that05:09
Burgundaviayes, for now05:09
BurgundaviaLaserJock: have you met Mark?05:09
FujitsuIf Canonical is uncooperative, we have little choice.05:09
joejaxxBurgundavia: you mean so people cannot go around developing their own05:09
LaserJockFujitsu: we can use LP05:09
FujitsuBurgundavia: What about Mark?05:09
chillywillytrac makes for a nice bug tracker/dev tool05:09
chillywillyand its python05:09
chillywillycould use some work05:09
Burgundaviajoejaxx: no, it means a good percentage of our infrastructure is source we cannot see and it is hurting us05:09
Burgundaviachillywilly: doesn't really scale, from what I understand05:10
FujitsuLaserJock: We can use LP, but we'll die rather quickly. We're drowning in bugs, and the bug-rate is increasing.05:10
chillywillyseems like every project and their mother uses it05:10
Burgundavianot built to deal with a distro05:10
LaserJockFujitsu: I don't see what that has to do with LP05:10
joejaxxFujitsu: what project is that?05:10
LaserJockFujitsu: and I don't think we are exactly we're going to die05:11
FujitsuBurgundavia: Can you think of any infrastructure that /isn't/ closed?05:11
Burgundaviaour wiki05:11
joejaxxFujitsu: ?05:12
FujitsuLaserJock: It has to do with LP, because with an open-source solution we might have a chance to develop things like Conseil properly, and have a much better interface for bug triaging. I hate the LP web interface, and it'd be a whole lot easier to triage if there was a non-HTML interface.05:12
Fujitsujoejaxx: Where did I mention this project?05:12
joejaxx22:10 < Fujitsu> LaserJock: We can use LP, but we'll die rather quickly. We're drowning in bugs, and the bug-rate is increasing.05:12
FujitsuLP == Launchpad05:12
joejaxxFujitsu: so the bug rate for launchpad is incresing?05:13
joejaxxlaunchpad itself?05:13
Fujitsujoejaxx: Oh, I mean Ubuntu.05:13
Burgundaviathe bug rate for LP is going up to05:13
joejaxxah ok05:13
LaserJockyes, but an increase in bugs is to be expected05:13
Burgundaviayes, but bugs from 2 years ago are not being resolved05:14
joejaxxso what you two are proposing is that launchpad should be open source to aid in fixing it?05:14
LaserJockI'm not really sure why an increase in bug reports = LP must go05:14
BurgundaviaLaserJock: it isn05:14
BurgundaviaLP must go05:14
Burgundaviait is LP needs to adapt05:14
Fujitsujoejaxx: A lot more than two people...05:14
LaserJockbut threatening forking and stuff like that doesn't seem helpful to me05:14
minghuajoejaxx: please read backscroll05:14
minghua(or logs)05:14
BurgundaviaLaserJock: we cannot fork a closed source product05:15
LaserJockwell, forking functionality is what I mean05:15
LaserJockhaving 2 BTSs05:15
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Burgundaviathat would be a "Canonical has refused all sane pleas" option05:15
nixternal[22:14:07]  <Burgundavia> yes, but bugs from 2 years ago are not being resolved05:15
joejaxxminghua: i like to have things clarified05:15
nixternalyou aren't joking there05:16
FujitsuBurgundavia: I don't believe that refusal is too unlikely.05:16
nixternaland don't try to mess with those bugs either, as for some reason people hold those old bugs near and dear to their heart05:16
Burgundavianixternal: I am speaking about LP bugs from 2 years ago05:16
nixternalwell, im speaking of all bugs from 2 years ago05:16
Burgundavialike the "KDE, GNOME and other upstreams hate Rosetta" one05:16
Burgundaviaor the more recent "Debian choose pootle over Rosetta" one05:17
nixternalwell, Rosetta needs work, but it has a great foundation no doubt...it has been somewhat nice to the doc project, although mdke is on their arses like white on rice come translation time05:17
Burgundaviayes, Rosetta itself is nice05:18
Burgundaviabut it doesn't play well with others05:18
nixternalno it doesn't unfortunately05:18
Burgundaviabut because that doesn't really hurt Canonical, it isn't a priority05:18
Burgundaviait does hurt the community, so it would be fixed05:18
lifelesshow does it not play nice ? [what would make it 'nicer'] 05:19
nixternalit might be time that they either start working on opening and fixing what we have (LP), or start looking for better solutions, if there are any05:19
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Burgundavialifeless: the most common compliant is issues of bad translations being overwritten05:20
nixternalwas their any reasoning when they switched from bugzilla to lp in the first place?05:20
minghuaI honestly don't seen how Rosetta is nice05:20
Burgundaviaweb-based translation is nice05:20
joejaxxThe developers have stated that they aim to eventually release it under an open source license.[1] 05:21
Burgundaviajoejaxx: they have said that for 2 years with absolutely no movement05:21
Fujitsujoejaxx: Eventually being the keyword.05:21
minghuaso far I haven't seen a single Debian maintainer or upstream author happy with Rosetta05:21
Burgundaviano timeframes, nothing05:21
LaserJocknixternal: because Canonical wanted to build a complete distro infrastructure05:21
joejaxxBurgundavia: i see05:21
nixternali already said that, somewhere is stated "once it is completed"05:21
nixternalit is just odd that they build a "closed" infrastructure05:21
Fujitsunixternal: I've never seen that, and I've looked long and hard for any extra information on this.05:21
nixternalsee, there is a lot that Canonical holds from the community, which isn't that nice05:22
BurgundaviaI think Mark's grand plan was to sell services based on LP05:22
Burgundaviawhich he may be doing05:22
imbrandonif thats the case then it will be 2008 before its opened05:23
Burgundavialifeless: other issues include getting timely updates of pots into Rosetta, how unknowns translate05:23
joejaxxthat has alot of answers05:23
joejaxxthat link05:23
Burgundaviajoejaxx: that faq has been there since 200405:23
imbrandonjoejaxx, we know the faq, that dosent change the complaints05:23
joejaxxBurgundavia: imbrandon no i mean05:23
joejaxxit says you can contribute and have access to the code05:24
Burgundaviajoejaxx: I have been around since 2004. I know all about  Canonicals "statements"05:24
joejaxxBurgundavia: i did not mean it like that :(05:24
nixternalthis weekend at our LUG event..we had a guy who writes code for Hospitals that tracks everything the hospital does, from patients, to medication, to you name it...it is huge, and it was quite nice (i actually sold him on bzr)...he is going to release it open source here eventually...it would be neat to use some of his ideas in a complete system05:24
nixternalthe ajax trickery was pretty neat05:24
Fujitsujoejaxx: That would imply an NDA.05:25
Burgundaviajoejaxx: that statement about "helping" opensource LP would require an NDA05:25
Burgundaviano thanks05:25
joejaxxoh alright05:25
joejaxxi understand05:25
Burgundaviayou would be foolish to sign such an NDA05:25
FujitsuVery foolish.05:25
joejaxxi have a question though05:26
FujitsuRequiring an NDA to help in an open-sourcing effort. How ironic.05:26
joejaxxwhat is this talk on there about certain parts being open source?05:26
nixternal"distribution management code, which is part of of the service that Canonical provides to other companies that make their own distributions."05:26
Burgundaviajoejaxx: some calendar code is apparently already freed05:26
Burgundavianever seen it though05:26
nixternalheh ya, and now they are going to remove the calendar, if they haven't already05:27
FujitsuBurgundavia: The calendar got turned off a couple of months back, and I've never heard of the code.05:27
joejaxxBurgundavia: oh ok never have I which is why I asked05:27
nixternalyup, the calendar is gone05:27
Burgundavialovely, they open source the code that gets shunted out05:27
Burgundaviaif it was just me, I wouldn't much care, because I am never going to code a line of LP05:27
joejaxxif people feel so strongly about it05:28
Burgundaviabut because I know there are lots of smart python hackers that can dig in, I do care05:28
joejaxxwhy not create an agenda spec page?05:28
joejaxxi do not know what you call it exactly05:28
Fujitsujoejaxx: That is suicide, and isn't going to happen.05:28
joejaxxwhen you want something to change and you talk about it05:28
Burgundaviabecause we want to do it quietly and politely05:28
Burgundaviaso it does end up on Slashdot "Ubuntu developers revolt"05:28
Burgundaviadoesn't, rather05:28
FujitsuSpeaking of quietly, may it be advisable to move into a non-logged channel at some point?05:29
joejaxxBurgundavia: yeah05:29
BurgundaviaFujitsu: at this point it si grumbling, not action05:29
Admiral_Chicagoi doubt their will ever be a time when our community has to "revolt"05:29
joejaxxBurgundavia: my point was: was there a way to address your concerns05:29
joejaxxthat is what i meant05:29
FujitsuAdmiral_Chicago: It has reached that time...05:29
Fujitsu(or is close to it)05:30
Burgundaviajoejaxx: I respect your opinion, but I have to say, I have been around awhile. Seen all the pretty words05:30
Burgundavianow I want action05:30
joejaxxBurgundavia: i was just asksing if there was a way to address your concern05:31
joejaxxBurgundavia: yes that is what i mean05:31
FujitsuBurgundavia: I think a lot of us do.05:31
Admiral_ChicagoBurgundavia: i'm sure there are more than enough people willing to hear you rproblems and work to resolve them05:31
joejaxxBurgundavia: is there a way to let people know that lot of people feel that way05:31
BurgundaviaI will mull it over05:31
Burgundaviafirst I need to get the UWN out05:31
chillywillywrite an "open letter"and have people sign it....it has worked great for the linux kernel people....j/k05:32
Admiral_ChicagoBurgundavia: write a blog about it and link me up to it05:32
joejaxxBurgundavia: may i pm you?05:32
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imbrandonfreeflying, what is CJK stuff? i kinda missed the point of you email05:37
LaserJockimbrandon: Chinese Japanese Korean05:38
lifelessimbrandon: chinese japanese korean05:38
imbrandonahh ok /me headdesks05:38
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Chanduajmitch, hi05:43
Chanduajmitch, good morning05:43
Burgundaviahey Chandu05:44
ChanduBurgundavia, hi05:44
joejaxxhello Chandu :)05:45
Chandujoejaxx, hello05:45
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Chanduhey Sorry .. I will catch you later ... I have called for the meeting .. I have to move .. Bye05:46
joejaxxChandu: Good Day05:47
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LaserJockdarn it, why can't I make a simple diagram05:50
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BurgundaviaAmaranth: did you get my pm earlier?05:52
AmaranthBurgundavia: yep05:52
LaserJockwell, inkscape and dia aren't helping  me :/05:52
BurgundaviaAmaranth: good05:52
joejaxxLaserJock: Visio! :D05:58
LaserJockjoejaxx: I'm this ---|  |--- close to doing it in Office05:59
LaserJockbut I'm sticking with inkscape for the moment05:59
joejaxxLaserJock: :)05:59
minghuaLaserJock: I would think for diagram dia is a better choice06:00
minghuabut then I haven't use neither much06:01
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LaserJockI can't get dia to do anything useful06:02
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Lathiat13:05 < Farnaby> Lathiat, I have tried that, more then once. Its stuck on BioF06:29
Lathiat13:06 < Farnaby> sorry lathiat, went to smoke to try and get a bit less pissed off.06:29
Lathiati love it06:29
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LaserJockFujitsu: ping07:04
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BurgundaviaLaserJock: you know, there are worse bug trackers07:11
Burgundavialike the sf.net one07:11
LaserJockugg, I have never gotten along well with that one07:13
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FujitsuLaserJock: Pong.07:18
Fujitsu(was doing a maths practice exam)07:19
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LaserJockFujitsu: did you send me the script to do the MOTU Science bug list?07:27
LaserJockI saw links to your pages07:28
LaserJockbut no script07:28
FujitsuTrue, I'll send it to you shortly, currently talking to upstream upstream.07:28
LaserJockk, no rush07:29
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dholbachgood morning07:54
Gloubiboulgahello dholbach07:54
LaserJockguten Morgen07:55
dholbachhey LaserJock, hey Gloubiboulga07:55
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minghuaI am nominated for motu-sru by sistpoty?!08:17
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StevenKminghua: I think * has been nominated for motu-sru.08:26
StevenKExcept for me, it seems. :-P08:26
minghuaStevenK: you are there :-)08:27
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minghua(even in the "reduced" list)08:28
HobbseeStevenK: yes, you got nominated08:28
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=== StevenK had no idea. :-)
minghuaHobbsee: you got nominated too08:30
minghuaI think now it's more of a question who is going to accept the nominatio08:30
Hobbseei didnt see that08:30
lifelesswhere is the list ?08:30
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minghualifeless: on ubuntu-motu mailing list08:30
minghuadholbach said the LP team consists of only temporary members08:31
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lifelesshmm, whack, I'm not in that list.08:32
lifelessI must fix that08:32
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dholbachand it'd be nice if you all could follow up with who you think would be a good fit for the job08:32
StevenKI wonder if the datacentre is having issues.08:35
Hobbseeheh.  i did get nominated.08:36
StevenKI can't reach {lists,www}.ubuntu.com or LP from here.08:36
lifelessthere seems to be a routing problem08:36
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Hobbseehey sivang08:42
sivanghey Hobbsee !08:43
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LaserJockFujitsu: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/all.html08:51
LaserJockFujitsu: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/bugs.html08:51
FujitsuVery good :)08:55
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LaserJockwahoo, goodies from fabbione09:01
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Lathiatyeh seems deadish09:02
FujitsuYes, I think the datacenter has vanished somewhat :/09:02
Lathiatdies just inside level3's network here09:02
StevenKHere as well.09:02
StevenKRIP datacentre09:02
LaserJockFujitsu: he just email -devel with some feisty info09:03
crimsun(I can access 'em fine)09:03
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=== Fujitsu looks.
LaserJockyeah, *.u.c and LP are fine for me09:04
StevenKcrimsun: Does your route touch ae-1-0.bbr2.London2.Level3.net or as-0-0.bbr1.London2.Level3.net?09:05
LaserJockhot dog, I broke the 1 million mark for karma09:05
crimsunwell dang, this place blocks trace*09:06
LathiatStevenK: mine hits as-0-0.bbr1.London2.Level3.net09:06
Lathiathrma ctually both09:06
Lathiatappear on that hop09:06
StevenKYes, and that's the hop my trace dies at.09:06
FujitsuMy last is bbr2.09:06
LaserJockwhat are  you using to tell?09:07
Lathiatwee saw a spiek of dropped packets just then09:07
Lathiatim using mtr09:07
Lathiatmtr is the best tool ever invented09:08
StevenKLathiat: There's a few others. netcat? :-P09:08
Lathiatwell, yeh09:08
Lathiatmtr still rocks :>09:08
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StevenKnetcat, tcpdump, wireshark, mtr, ping ...09:09
LaserJockeverything looks find when I do mtr launchpad.net09:09
FujitsuA lot of my stuff to bbr1.SanJose goes missing.09:09
StevenKLaserJock: But do you see either of those two in your trace?09:10
FujitsuAh, seems to have stablised now.09:10
LaserJockStevenK: yeah09:10
StevenKWhat the?!09:10
FujitsuLathiat: Where on the planet are you?09:11
LathiatFujitsu: perth, western australia09:11
Fujitsujamesh (another Aussie) confirms that he can't access it from his machine, but can from other machines...09:11
FujitsuOK, seems to be fairly Australian.09:11
LaserJocklots of packet loss from ae-1-55.bbr1.SanJose1.Level3.net09:11
FujitsuLaserJock: Same.09:11
LaserJockbut a ton at the DC it seem09:12
LaserJockfor gangotri.ubuntu.com I have ~ 33% packet loss09:12
LaserJockI'm not sure what it means09:12
FujitsuIs there anybody who can't access them, and is outside Oz?09:12
BurgundaviaI am having big issues with 7:  ae-1-0.bbr2.London2.Level3.net (      asymm  8 151.856ms09:13
Lathiathrm works from a US colo09:13
Lathiatstill going out level309:13
Lathiatbut im seeing packte loss there09:13
StevenKIt fails for me from my US colo.09:13
StevenKWith the same two routers, damn it all.09:14
FujitsuIt's OK from my ServerPronto box.09:15
Burgundaviamight be a transatlantic cable issue09:15
Burgundaviatelecity.net is having issues for me as well09:15
Lathiatsomethings boogered09:16
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Lathiatthat said i get all the way to level3 in london09:17
Lathiatreverse path may differ perhaps09:17
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FujitsuQuite possibly...09:17
StevenKThat's an interesting question.09:17
BurgundaviaLathiat: I did there as well09:18
Burgundaviadie, rather09:18
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Burgundaviaglobal trend appears to be down09:18
FujitsuFrom my ServerPronto box, there's no packet loss at all :S09:19
Burgundaviawhere is serverpronto?09:19
FujitsuUS, I believe.09:19
Burgundaviayet Lathiat and I are both having issues09:20
jsgmobileI cant even get it09:20
BurgundaviaLaserJock is also having some09:20
StevenKAnd I am, too.09:20
StevenKFrom here and a US colo site.09:20
jsgmobileEven LP09:20
FujitsuAll Australians seem to be stuffed, and some others.09:20
jsgmobileBlack wednesday hehe09:21
FujitsuOK, I get different results from imbrandon's box.09:21
LaserJockwell, I tried from this machine and tiber09:21
FujitsuThat's the last hop.09:22
LaserJockand it's all good09:22
FujitsuMassive packet loss in Level3's Chicago area.09:22
BurgundaviaI go straight Seattle --> London and die there09:22
jsgmobileI didnt do anything i swear09:22
LaserJockI go from San Jose09:23
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Burgundaviajsgmobile: we blame you for everything. World hunger, the darfur and this outage. all of equal world problems, all caused by you09:25
jsgmobileNice its all caused by me logging on to irc on my phone09:28
StevenKAh ha!09:28
StevenKGet him!09:28
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Burgundaviaby logging into with your phone, you have overloaded some tower elsewhere, where somebody is loading food for the darfur. Simultaneously, that has taken load off another cell, which has allowed the arms dealer to start loading arms for the darfur. By connecting to this irc server, you have overloaded the power circuits, taking the entire eastern seaboard and europe off teh net09:29
Burgundaviathere, see? it si quite simple09:29
Burgundaviawonder if there is a movie those three lines?09:30
LaserJock"Save Darfur ... from Jerome"09:31
LaserJockI think we could get Tom Cruise to play jsgmobile09:32
LaserJockor maybe Brad Pitt, he'd go for that09:32
Burgundaviaalways partial to matt damon, myself09:33
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Burgundaviatom cruise as mark?09:33
Burgundaviathey are both crazy enough :)09:33
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LaserJockI wonder if Brad Pitt could play mako?09:33
LaserJockbut for sure jdub would have to play himself09:34
sivangwhat movie are you talking about?09:34
Burgundaviajsgmobile causes world hunger and arms smuggling by logging into irc via his mobile phone09:35
Burgundaviathat is the working title09:35
Burgundavia"IRC on the phone!" <-- new title09:35
LaserJocksounds good09:35
antinobodyThat all seems too plausible and simple to be a successful movie09:36
LaserJockoh, we'll have to throw in some twist and turns09:37
Burgundaviano, it is "high concept"09:37
Burgundaviaexplained in a single sentence09:37
LaserJockpossiblely and Ubuntu love triangle09:37
jsgmobileJust gimme a jet anf a car in the movie09:37
LaserJockjsgmobile falls for Edubuntu, but is secretly meeting up with Kubuntu when she's not looking09:38
LaserJockin the end he must choose between the one he loves... and the one he loves to hate :/09:39
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antinobodyI see, and in a jealous rage, Edubuntu exposes jsgmobile's evil phone IRCing ways to the public09:39
LaserJockBurgundavia: this is work!09:40
LaserJockgotta keep the creative MOTU juices flowing :-)09:40
crimsunyeah, we're all MOTUed out thanks to the raging MOTUaholic's mailing list rampage ;)09:40
jsgmobileYeah this is blog worty09:40
antinobodyWhatever it is, its not me doing advanced calc homework, so I'm happy09:40
FujitsuBurgundavia: LP-discussion has been on-topic for a while now.09:40
Burgundaviayes, I suppose so09:41
LaserJockcrimsun: I'd hardly call it a rampage09:41
LaserJockalthough I did nominate like 10 people and throw a big todo list out there09:42
BurgundaviaLaserJock: the rest of us are burned out, bitter old men (or women)09:42
antinobodyHey, without all the crazy MOTU e-mails, I'd've completely forgotten about this MOTU thing09:42
LaserJockyeah, I'm not seeing any \o/ 's yet in response to my email ;-)09:43
LaserJockonly crimsun throwing another big one on the stack09:44
jsgmobileIts hard to do it if your screen is 320x24009:44
antinobodyI'm not going to pretend I know what \o/ means09:45
highvoltageI haven't seen the mail yet, but \0/ !09:45
jsgmobileIts just a representation of a guy cheering09:46
LaserJockantinobody: it's somebody going "Yay!"09:46
crimsunhey now, I did say I was crazy.09:46
crimsunerr, well, insane.09:46
LaserJockcrimsun: insane09:46
LaserJockbut a very good point none the less09:46
antinobodyimbrandon is the only individual who's wiki page is listed under CategoryMOTU.  I'll assume that means that he is the embodiment of the group09:48
StevenKI don't think I like that.09:49
crimsun(crap, have we just locked ourselves into a crazed KDE world?)09:49
LaserJockI think BddebianIsAGod is the embodiment of the group ;-)09:50
LaserJockbddebian does all the work and we get to watch :-)09:50
StevenKcrimsun: With flash and beryl everywhere09:50
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LaserJockcrimsun: ?09:52
dholbach_o/ _o_ \o_ \o/09:53
crimsunLaserJock: jesting over his Kubuntu association09:53
LaserJockit's the Macarena09:54
Burgundaviawe had better nuke it from orbit, just to be sure09:54
BurgundaviaKDE, that is09:54
StevenKI will only condone that if they make Gnome Launch Box not suck first.09:55
antinobodyNOW I understand the \o/09:55
antinobodyand I am ashamed09:55
LaserJockheh, no need09:55
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highvoltageantinobody: that's ok, I also didn't know what it was when LaserJock did it in edubuntu, so I didn't want to ask there, and asked on my LUG channel instead, and they pointed me to goatse09:56
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BurgundaviaHobbsee: needed that, thanks09:57
=== Hobbsee eyerolls
LaserJockHobbsee: no point stick of DOOM?09:57
=== antinobody appreciates Hobbsee's efforts to allow him to keep his mind
Hobbseeyou know, it wouldnt have killed you to take that in the way id' intended it.09:58
=== Hobbsee attacks Burgundavia, jsgmobile an LaserJock with her Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (tm)
=== StevenK hands Hobbsee a 'd'.
BurgundaviaHobbsee: thats it! I leaving and sleeping now :P09:58
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HobbseeBurgundavia: haha09:59
=== LaserJock hands himself and "A" for effort
antinobodyI should probably stop putting off my math homework now, come to think.09:59
antinobodyThe day will come when I actually have time to help you wise people.09:59
StevenKLaserJock: Who is A, and how do you hand yourself for effort?10:00
dholbachcrimsun: frog.co.nz doesn't work for me!10:00
LaserJockStevenK: :p10:00
Burgundavianight all10:01
crimsundholbach: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.frog.co.nz/images2/toadily-insane.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.frog.co.nz/toadily-insane-a.html&h=450&w=398&sz=30&hl=en&start=8&tbnid=Ow0MrzfrYzdgfM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=112&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dinsane%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG10:01
LaserJockthat should totally be our mascot ;-)10:02
jsgmobileHaha that url ate 3/4 of my screen10:02
crimsunsorry, I should have used tinyurl10:02
Hobbseeindeed.  just imagine trying to copy that from irssi10:03
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LaserJockcrimsun: nah, that's what he gets for using his phone for IRC'ing10:03
=== TheMuso subliminally directs Hobbsee's attention to http://lca2007.linux.org.au
dholbachxchat-gnome is quite fine with it :)10:03
TheMusoregistrations open10:03
HobbseeTheMuso: i ignored it :P10:03
TheMusoHobbsee: You know you want to.10:03
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StevenKs going.10:03
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=== Hobbsee too
dholbachHobbsee, TheMuso: you guys are giving a talk? :-)))10:03
TheMusodholbach: No, just going.10:03
Hobbseedholbach: i'm not.10:03
TheMusoStevenK: You know you want to.10:04
Hobbseedholbach: i dont talk, remember?  i have this weird voice :P10:04
dholbachI don't believe you :)10:04
LaserJockHobbsee: I've heard it, it doesn't sound weird10:04
jsgmobiledholbach: are you going to lca?10:04
HobbseeLaserJock: heh.  riiiight....10:04
dholbachjsgmobile: no, I don't think so :)10:04
LaserJockHobbsee: it just sounds ... Australian10:04
Hobbseeit's just higher pitched than everyone else's, so easily recognisable10:04
Hobbseethat too10:05
LaserJockHobbsee: but I'm guessing at LCA that isn't a problem ;-)10:05
TheMusoEverybody's voice is unique. Don't you know that already?10:05
Hobbseetrue....the AU bit10:05
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jsgmobileLaserJock: at least i can still chat with you even if i'm in the toilet you have my outmost attention this way10:07
LaserJockjsgmobile: yeah, that's just the analogy I needed10:07
LaserJockmaybe s/analogy/visual/10:08
LaserJockit's too latehere10:09
LaserJocksorry people10:09
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mcsmurfgeneral question: How are the binary packages for the releases created? You (as a developer) upload the source code10:13
mcsmurfand when a release should happen, the build machines compile the binaries?10:14
mcsmurf(of all the source packages required&uploaded)10:14
LaserJockwe upload source packages10:15
LaserJockthe source packages go into a building queue10:16
LaserJockand get built by the build farm into .debs10:16
mcsmurfare these machines somewhat special? I noted the build date always seems to be the same10:16
LaserJockno, I don't think they are particularly special10:16
mcsmurfat least the Firefox releases always get 2006-06-01 as build id/date10:16
mcsmurf(that's the number in the user-agent)10:16
Fujitsumcsmurf: That'll just be because it's hard-coded.10:16
mcsmurfit's hard-coded?!10:17
mcsmurfwho thought that this would be a good idea ;-)10:17
highvoltageif i want my gpg key info on my business card, I should have the gpg fingerprint on there, right?10:22
Fujitsuhighvoltage: Correct.10:23
mcsmurfhm, cannot find where 20060601 is hardcoded in the diff, but it's not that urgent anyway10:25
highvoltageFujitsu: so I can just say: GnuPG Fingerprint: B9FD D720 AED9 28A1 7BD9  ABF5 B2BE AA0C DFDC 6CAE, and that will be enough?10:25
mcsmurfjust a bit confusing when 2.0b2 2.0 RCs and 2.0 final had the same id10:25
crimsunmcsmurf: you can verify via the changelog that it's the official 2.0 release plus approved mozilla.com patches10:26
mcsmurfI looked at http://librarian.launchpad.net/4927395/firefox_2.0%2B0dfsg-0ubuntu3.diff.gz10:26
mcsmurfyes, I can also look at the version in the user-agent ;-)10:26
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mcsmurfwas just wondering if there is any "higher" sense behind hardcoding it10:27
crimsunian's probably the one who could answer that10:27
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ChanduHey in Ubuntu Packages file , I saw these two fields .. From where do you add this lines  "Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com10:41
ChanduOrigin: Ubuntu10:41
ChanduI also found for package in universe section is mentioned as "universe/libs" like ..How you have changed section from libs to universe/libs10:43
LathiatIt seems level3 london is the culprit10:44
LathiatFujitsu, StevenK, etc10:44
StevenKI can reach launchpad now.10:45
Lathiati can too10:45
Lathiaterr, with loss10:45
Lathiatinconsistent loss10:46
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Lathiatevery so often, 30+s seocnds10:47
Lathiatit drops a string of packets from level3 onwards10:47
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Hobbseehah @ [20:06]  * LaserJock thinks we should kidnap Hobbsee and make her speak at a UDS11:06
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lastnode_which package is dh_pysupport a part of11:08
Hobbseei'd take a stab at ebhelper11:09
Hobbseegah.  my d key doesnt watn to wokr today11:09
lastnode_both are installed, newest versions11:09
lastnode/bin/sh: dh_pysupport: command not found11:17
lastnodemake: *** [binary-arch]  Error 12711:17
lastnodeany ideas, Hobbsee?11:17
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lastnodeive purged and reinstalled, dapper , i38611:17
TheMusolastnode: dpkg -L python-support and have a look for dh_pysupport11:18
TheMusoJust to be sure.11:18
TheMusoAnd do a which dh_pysupport for good measure as well.11:18
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Hobbseelastnode: dh_pysupport isnt in dapper11:21
Hobbseelastnode: dapper didnt do the python transition11:21
lastnode_oh right11:22
lastnode_meh, i gotta install edgy on my other partition though11:22
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lastnode_Hobbsee, what is the dapper equiv of dh_support11:22
Hobbseelastnode_: no idea, sorry11:23
lastnode_thanks Hobbsee11:23
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StevenKdh_pysupport is different from dh_python.11:25
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ChanduHobbsee, hi11:34
ChanduHobbsee, Hey How many days it will take to setup a new archive for new development release11:34
ChanduHobbsee, For example how many it took to setup for feisty11:35
Hobbseemany man hours.11:36
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HobbseeChandu: ^11:36
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ChanduHobbsee, approximately .. Total howmany members will be working on this ..11:40
ChanduHobbsee, Bcz If I want to setup an archive for our project .. I want to estimate how mant dyas it may take ..How much time it needs ..How many members it needs11:41
Mezhmmm - anyone have instructions on how to make a sid pbuild in edgy - It just seems to be hanging on me11:42
StevenKMez: What command line are you using?11:42
MezStevenK, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/mythplugins/0.20-0.6ubuntu411:42
Mezsudo pbuilder create --distribution sid --basetgz /scratch/pbuilds/sid.tgz11:42
StevenKWierd. Works here.11:43
MezStevenK, it was my pbuilderrc pointing to archive.ubuntu.com11:44
Meznow I just need to find somewhere sid is on a server11:44
Mezarchive.debian.org isnt so11:44
StevenKHeh, that'd do it.11:44
ChanduHobbsee, are you there11:44
MezStevenK, still seems to be hanging on I: Retrieving Packages11:46
StevenKMez: Give it a minute, the Packages.gz for Debian main is 5.6Mb or so.11:46
Mez5.6Mb ?11:46
Mezthat's going to take forever ;)11:47
MezI only have to get it on create and update though right ?11:47
ChanduHey can any one tell me How many days it takes for setting up the repo for the development release ... rebuilding all the debian sources and segregating between universe and main11:48
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Mezaha, tis done11:49
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StevenKMez: Is that a *good* thing?11:52
MezStevenK, I'm the maintainer ;) I should update it to the new version at some point11:53
StevenKI should probably fix some Debian bugs too.11:54
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HobbseeStevenK: not even fixing the linda ondes?11:56
Hobbseeimbrandon: around?11:56
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gnomefreakdholbach: _all_ apps taht are canidates for the repos must have a rules file correct?12:12
dholbachyes, debian/rules is a must12:13
gnomefreakthought so12:14
gnomefreakk ty12:14
ChanduHobbsee, I didnt answer to my query12:15
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HobbseeChandu: i did answer  - it takes many man hours.  the amount of man hours would depend on the people's skills, and the tools they had to do it.  more than that, i cant help you with12:17
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ChanduHobbsee, ok ..thank you ....but can you tell me how many ubuntu members will be working on creating archive ..12:23
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bhaleHobbsee: not yet12:28
bhaleHobbsee: he left on his own yesterday12:28
Hobbseebhale: right12:28
Hobbseebhale: was about to ask you about it, actually12:28
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bhalenot me please!12:29
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Hobbsee"please dont throw me in the briar bush!" you say!12:29
StevenKBrer Rabbit!12:30
StevenKOh geez, how long has it been.12:30
bhaleI might ban him12:30
Hobbseebhale: query?12:32
bhaleHobbsee: ok.12:32
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StevenKajmitch: Early morning for you, isn't it? :-P12:33
ajmitchwell yeah12:35
ajmitchbut I've been at a friend's 21st & then at the pub12:35
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ajmitchsigh, no flames12:37
ajmitchand no more names put forward12:37
ajmitchpoor dholbach12:37
Fujitsubhale: Ban whom?12:38
bhaleFujitsu: aulin12:38
bhaleits done12:38
bhalehe is a repeat problem12:38
FujitsuOh, that guy.] 12:38
dexemdholbach: hey! you have been faster than me commenting the evolution TLS problem :P12:43
dholbachdexem: sorry :)12:43
dexemno prob :)12:43
dexemI'm the original reporter, and I keep getting the error12:43
dexemit's weird :S12:43
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marcin_anthi all01:20
marcin_antI got question about development01:20
marcin_antI would like to develop some web application especially for ubuntu01:21
marcin_antand because ubuntu promotes python as favourite language I would like to use python01:21
marcin_antbut this is pretty weird because there is a lot of ways to use python with web development01:22
marcin_antso I wolud like to ask if is there any preferred way to develop web application with python for ubuntu community?01:22
marcin_antto name few we got fastcgi, mod_python, zope....01:23
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gnomefreakubuntu has zope already iirc01:28
marcin_antgnomefreak: yes I know01:28
marcin_antgnomefreak: but to be honest I really don't like it... although I could write my code as zope 'product'01:29
marcin_antgnomefreak: unfortunately imho zope is slow and designed in the way that I don't like at all...01:30
gnomefreaknever used it01:30
Hobbseebhale: oh dear.01:34
fernandoajmitch: how can i be involved in directory service team?01:35
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ajmitch#ubuntu-directory, and the ubuntu-directory mailing list01:36
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imbrandonajmitch, got a sec ?01:40
imbrandonbefore ya head to bed01:40
ajmitchI suppose01:40
imbrandon6 of the 7 have accepted the nomination ( only one left to have no is Hobbsee and i imagine she just hasent got to the email )01:40
imbrandonif you wanna change the LP team01:41
StevenKI'm the final one?01:41
imbrandondholbach, siretart, crimsun, bddebian, imbrandon, sistopy , Stevenk01:41
ajmitchimbrandon: no, I don't want to change the LP team, it's not final by any means afaik01:41
imbrandonthats fine01:42
imbrandonjust wanted to hit you up before you headed to sleep01:42
ajmitchI'll wait for something a bit more decisive than people accepting nominations you've suggested :)01:42
imbrandonwe can do it later once we get word then01:42
thomoh man, people are hitting steven and i missed out?01:42
imbrandonheh ok01:42
StevenKThanks very much.01:42
StevenKI might just decline on the grounds that people think I'm an idiot.01:43
ajmitchthough I should remove myself from the team since I'm not meant to be there01:43
imbrandoni dont think you can untill the others are added can you ?01:44
ajmitchthere, I'm out of the team01:44
imbrandonotherwise no one could add the new people01:44
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ajmitchnow I don't have to worry about being pestered by anyone :)01:47
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Hobbseeimbrandon: i did get the email01:49
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sementeHow to suggest a package subclipse (Subversion integration for Eclipse)?02:51
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Adri2000semente: add it to the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates02:56
sementeAdri2000: I can edit? Ok.02:57
Adri2000of course you can :)02:57
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sementeAdri2000: Thanks for info.02:59
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Mezhmm bberyl doesnt like my system03:52
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bddebianHeya gang03:55
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Mezanyone here have much success with beryl?04:05
siretartMez: I'm currently using it04:05
siretartfor some values of 'using'04:06
Mezsiretart, if i maximise a window - it just leaves me staring at my wallpaper.... any ideas?04:06
siretartMez: don't maximise it. try to resize it several times04:07
Mezsiretart, lol ....04:07
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siretartMez: beryl isn't really releasable yet. it has just too many bugs04:09
iXcestrange problem04:09
Mezsiretart: what about compiz .. is that working04:09
MezI dont really want the composite manager (though that would be nice) I just want the cube, and the stuff that comes with the cube04:09
iXceif you've a bug with Beryl, just report it on the tracker04:10
siretarthehe, for the cube, you'll need a composite manager04:10
iXceit'll get fixed asap04:10
Mezand compiz-kde doesnt exist yet04:10
siretartiXce: you mean the trac?04:10
iXceMez : Aquamarine, a KDE decorator for beryl, was pre-released yesterday04:12
MeziXce, beryl does work with KDE though with emerald04:12
iXcebad wifi link.. sorry04:12
iXceMez : sure04:13
iXceand it works pretty well04:13
Mezbut ... ?04:13
iXceand if you want kicker to be aware of compiz/beryl desktops, you just need compiz-kicker, a modified kicker04:14
imbrandonis it in kdesvn ?04:14
iXcehmm not sure04:14
imbrandonumm you forked kdebase too ?04:15
iXcenot at all04:15
siretart* Reintroduce old resize plugin (as resizelegacy plugin) until the new one becomes perfect04:15
iXceand the kicker is not from any of the beryl/compiz guys :/04:15
siretartiXce: what was the problem with the 'new' resize plugin?04:15
iXcesiretart : it just has a lot of bugs *g*04:15
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siretartiXce: like the window doesn't get updated at all?04:15
iXcejust try normal mode..04:16
iXceit should, but that may be a related issue yeah04:16
siretartwhat do you mean with 'normal' mode?04:16
siretartI think I'm using the 'new' resize plugin. if I deactivate it, then I cannot resize windows anymore04:16
iXceyou're using svn?04:18
iXceif so, just check the "resizelegacy" plugin (it'll automatically disable the other one)04:18
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siretartI'm using svn revision 84204:19
siretartperhaps I should update04:20
iXceoh yeah04:20
iXcewe're at 952 now ;)04:20
iXcethe resizelegacy was added last night04:20
siretartah, that explains04:20
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siretartiXce: dh_install: beryl-plugins-data missing files (debian/tmp/usr/share/beryl/*), aborting. any idea?04:44
iXcesiretart : svn up ;)04:44
iXce* Fixed beryl-plugins/images/Makefile.am04:45
siretartI updated to 951 5 min ago04:45
MeziXce, where can i find logs for whats happening when it crashes?04:48
iXceMez : basically you ought to get a .out in /tmp04:49
iXceyou can also look at ~/.beryl.log04:49
Mezno ~/.beryl.log04:49
Mezand no a.out04:50
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iXcenot a.out :p i meant, a berylsomething.out04:51
MeziXce, it will now and then work for a short while - but usually just dumps me looking at my desktop .... could be anything that triggers it ..04:51
Mezno .out files in /tmp04:51
iXcedid you enable the crashhandler plugin?04:51
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iXcerun beryl-settings04:52
iXceand check crashhandler04:52
iXceshould be the 7th item in the left column04:52
Mezit's enabled04:52
iXcehmm strange04:53
Mezdoes it only output these files if beyrl crashes?04:53
iXcecrashhandler output that .out in /tmp afaik04:54
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Mezit may be xGl crashing (explaining why it just leaves me with my wallpaper04:54
Mezand nothing else (no kicker, etc etc)04:54
iXcewhat card are you using?04:55
MezATI Radeon 9200SE04:55
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iXcewhy don't you try AIGLX + r300 drivers?04:56
MezI mean, I had it running for a whole minute at one point (even doing cubey things)04:56
Mezbut then crashed04:57
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Mezbeyrl should run on a defualt session if i do that right ?04:57
Mezif i do Option "Composite" "Enable" though, it disables dri04:59
Mezmeaning the fglrx driver doesnt load04:59
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iXceMez : you don't need fglrx, but the free r300 driver :)05:03
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MeziXce, it doesnt crash with aiglx, but once beryl loads, everything is just white....05:06
iXcearg, the white problem05:07
iXcei know how to fix it on gentoo, not on ubuntu *g*05:07
Mezknown bug I take ?05:07
Mezyou got a howto to fix on gentoo /05:07
iXceon gentoo it's due to a bad glproto05:08
iXce(xorg, beryl & al have to be rebuild against new glproto stuff)05:08
iXcebut it's not the same problem as on ubuntu05:08
_MMA_Ha! iXce: your being more help here then the guys in #beryl. :)05:08
Mezlol ...05:08
lastnode_MMA_, iXce IS from beryl xD05:08
_MMA_I know. :)05:09
MeziXce, so it would need a recompile for it to work ?05:09
iXceMez : nah, i don't think so05:09
_MMA_lastnode: Ive been chattin with him this morning in #ubuntustudio. :)05:09
MeziXce, how is it fixed in gentoo?05:10
iXcesounds like some of the bugs described in http://bugs.beryl-project.org/ticket/46905:12
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MeziXce, I think I may no why it happens05:12
MezI used05:12
Mezbeeorkid to start with, then moved to use the SVN snapshots... maybe if I reinstalled from the SVN snapshot it'd be cool05:13
Mezwhat packages are auto-updated when I apt-get upgrade ?05:15
Mez? xserver-xgl libgl1-mesa xserver-xorg libglitz-glx1 beryl emerald-themes05:15
iXcexserver-xorg shouldn't be updated05:15
iXcenor any of the other packages05:15
iXcethe only one may be the libxcomposite0.305:15
Mezi remember something to do with mesa being updated05:16
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Mezbrb i hope05:19
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MeziXce, a lot of bugs have been posted saying it's a configuration issue ?05:25
iXcethe thing is that it's an easy nvidia bug, and an easy gentoo bug05:25
iXceoh yeah05:25
iXcehow is you Option "Composite" ?05:25
Mez"Enabled" or something similar to that05:26
iXcesilly me05:26
iXcea min please05:26
MezSection "Extensions"05:26
Mez        Option      "Composite" "Enable"05:26
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pianoboy3333Do any of you have debs for gaim b4?05:27
iXcepianoboy3333 : look on the forum ;)05:27
MeziXce, should it not be set to that ?05:28
iXcemy wifi is really laggy :/05:28
pianoboy3333iXce: I did, those are crappy debs, I want gaim 4 split like it is in the ubuntu repositories05:28
iXcea min please ;)05:28
dholbachpianoboy3333, iXce: can you please tell people that if they file bug reports, they mention were they got the packages from?05:28
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iXcepianoboy3333 : there are good debs as well ;) build with ubuntu debian/05:29
iXcedholbach : err, it sounds obvious that such people won't post bug reports for such packages :/05:29
dholbachpianoboy3333, iXce: we get loads of bug reports on gaim, lots of crasher bugs and some of them are related to wonky plugins and other weird stuff - which always causes headaches and lots of questions05:29
dholbachiXce: you say that now :)05:30
dholbachi'm happy you work on gaim05:30
_MMA_iXce: You would think but it happens. :)05:30
iXcedholbach : was just replying to pianoboy3333 who was asking for packages :p05:30
iXce_MMA_ : yeah i know..05:30
iXcewe're really sorry (the beryl team) for the bugs you may get about beryl on launchpad05:31
dholbachthey'll get into feisty (and maybe into -backports - that remains to be seen)05:31
dholbachI just thought I'd tell you, as I spent a lot of my time on figuring out crasher bugs the last days.05:31
iXceokay :)05:32
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pianoboy3333iXce: what do you mean build with ubuntu debian/?05:35
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iXcepianoboy3333 : i mean, clean packages built as would good packagers do05:38
imbrandonoh wow , after all the press about upgrade issues people are still recomending packages from the forums /me gives up05:40
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pianoboy3333iXce: but do you know of any split packages? like I'm looking for gaim, gaim-dev, gaim-data and so on packages, not just one big thing05:41
zulimbrandon: people will never learn and ill stop it at that05:41
earthiandmraid is till same not working version.05:41
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iXceimbrandon : he's asking for gaim beta4 packages - the only place you can get some are the forums - should i just tell him : keep beta 3?05:41
iXceMez : try replacing Enable by 005:41
earthiancan somebody spend a little time and compile the newest one so it will work with the new edgy kernel version?05:41
pianoboy3333iXce: .... I'm right here....05:41
imbrandoniXce, yes, that would be the recomended way untill they can be properly packages / uploaded/ and tested05:42
iXcei'll do that then05:42
iXcesorry -05:42
pianoboy3333I'll try uupdating05:42
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earthianor at least mail the creator with the problems... i still cant use my PC because DMRAID package is not finding my damn array :( if i just knew wtf is going with thise stupid raid i would never had one..05:42
iXcenow you'll get a ticket with unpackaged stuff.05:43
earthianand i am ready to test it etc.05:43
imbrandonearthian, yes there is a SRU in the works for it, it still hasent been updated from 2 or 3 days ago when you asked last05:43
earthianyes... i am still *waiting*05:43
earthianbecause i do not find any alternative atm05:44
imbrandonearthian, well it will likely be the end of next week before anything is even in -proposed05:44
earthiananyway.. i am here just to remind. :)05:44
earthiansadly :/05:44
imbrandoniXce, no , not that wont get rejected that is , even packaged software gets rejected if its not in the archive05:45
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iXcethat's not better, in both case you'll get a bug anyway ;)05:46
iXceMez : try replacing Enable by 005:46
imbrandoniXce, the proper way would be to have those that make the packages on the forums go through the processes like us all to get them in the archive05:46
MeziXce, mez@apathy:~$ beryl05:46
MezXGL Absent, checking for NVIDIA05:46
MezNvidia Absent, assuming AIGLX05:46
Mezberyl: No composite extension05:46
imbrandonanything ele isnt relevant and can and will cause issues ( thus all the blog's about problems )05:46
iXceMez : please ask DBO ;)05:47
MeziXce, I gotta be up in 3 hours... :D05:47
MezDBO's another devel then ?05:47
iXcehe's our main helper ;)05:48
Mezlol - fair enough - I'll poke him tomorrow, or you if you;re around and he isnt05:49
iXceokay ;)05:49
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cbx33does anyone here speak japanese?06:01
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luisbghello all06:36
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gnomefreaksomeone really hates me today :( i did updates today and it broke everything :(06:44
crimsunkinda vague, no?06:44
gnomefreakcrimsun: reset my /etc/X11/xorg.conf06:45
crimsunI didn't see any updates today regarding X.Org06:45
plugwashgnomefreak you upgraded from dapper to edgy?06:45
gnomefreakto basic options. i dont remember what the 3 were06:45
gnomefreakplugwash: no i did the 3-4 updates this am06:45
gnomefreaki wanna say libruby... was one06:46
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crimsunyes, but none of those go near xorg.conf06:46
gnomefreakthats what i thought too06:46
gnomefreakthere were no other updates that i have seen. but for somereason i reboot and all hell breaks loose06:47
gnomefreakand erased all my backgrounds. everything seemed to be reset to defaults06:48
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gnomefreakill dig into later it just grabbed me as weird/kind of scary. see everyone later06:51
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plugwashi see a new version of libc6 has hit feisty06:58
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plugwashi guess the compilers and such are next06:58
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keescookhm, is there already wiki page that goes over how to build a new package from a debdiff, for people that don't know how to do it?07:09
keescookI showed someone on #ubuntu how to do it, as he was anxious for the vino fix.07:09
keescookAfter a quick search, I didn't find anything I could point them to.07:09
LaserJockkeescook: not specifically, but the Ubuntu Packaging Guide might help a little07:09
LaserJockbut it's a bit much for just apply debdiff and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot07:10
keescookLaserJock: I was thinking more along the lines of the audience being people that really don't want to know all the gritty details, but want an updated .deb quickly07:10
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LaserJockkeescook: the next version of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide will have that07:10
keescookI think it'll write one up.  I've wanted to have it to point people to a few times now07:11
LaserJockI just haven't gotten to it yet07:11
keescookah, cool.07:11
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keescookLaserJock: where do you recommend I put it in the wiki?  MOTU/BuildFromDebdiff or something?07:11
LaserJockkeescook: hmm, I guess so07:12
LaserJockI'll incorporate it into the Packaging Guide eventually so it shouldn't be a permanent spot07:12
keescooksure.  where would you like me to put a "rough draft"?07:13
LaserJockwell, if you want you could put it under the packaging guide namespace07:14
LaserJockhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide/BuildFromDebdiff would be good07:15
keescookokay, cool07:15
LaserJockthanks dude07:16
dholbachLaserJock: we should link that from MOTU/Documentation or something07:21
dholbachLaserJock: and maybe move the sitemap to MOTU/Sitemap or something07:21
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_MMA_You guys might like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29053307:29
giskardhello dholbach LaserJock :)07:33
BurgworkAmaranth: ping07:37
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luisbghey LaserJock =)07:39
AmaranthBurgwork: pong, lagging badly07:40
Amaranthooh, fixed lag07:40
giskardhello iXce07:41
iXcehi giskard07:42
LaserJockdholbach: yeah, we need a massive wiki cleanup07:43
LaserJockit's just a lot of work that not many people want to do ;-)07:44
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giskardLaserJock: i can take a look on it... but i need to know what are our needs.07:45
LaserJockclean, concise, and updates wiki pages that are easy to read :-)07:45
giskardLaserJock: i mean, we need a stable *skeleton* for MOTU :)07:46
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ajmitchmorning all07:50
fernandoajmitch: hi07:50
LaserJockhi ajmitch07:50
keescookLaserJock: rough draft done!  :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide/BuildFromDebdiff07:51
keescookheya ajmitch07:52
ajmitchhey keescook, how's it going/07:52
LaserJockdholbach: do you  have any idea at all if we are going to have only 1 freeze (Universe Freeze) in feisty too?07:52
keescookajmitch: busy USN day for me.  :)07:52
LaserJockkeescook: yep, saw it in my email07:52
ajmitchLaserJock: it'll probably be discussed at UDS, do you think this should change?07:52
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LaserJockwell, I did kinda like having UVF and FF07:53
LaserJockso there wasn't a mad dash for *everything* at the end07:54
LaserJockbut having just one was much simpler07:54
ajmitchalso whether all universe uploads need approval at RC freeze07:55
bhalepeople could just start working on unmet deps sooner than the last minute07:55
dholbachLaserJock: not yet, but I think we should do it - the discussions have not happened yet07:55
LaserJockbhale: yes, I hope that task lists and weekly reports will help with that07:56
bhalei stopped doing things after beta07:56
bhalein edgy07:56
bhalepossibly because i am lazy07:56
LaserJockwell, we seemed to freeze a little harder this time07:58
LaserJocknot that many exceptions it seemed to me07:58
bhalei didnt even try for any after  beta07:58
bhalebeta freeze07:58
ajmitchLaserJock: because people stopped trying07:59
hubhttp://www.advogato.org/person/roozbeh/diary.html?start=130 <- that would be a good package candidate08:01
LaserJockajmitch: well, I'd have to say "You have to get approval for *all* uploads" compared to "You have to get approval for new upstream versions and new packages" made a difference08:02
ajmitchLaserJock: I was disappointed to not even see many people try for freeze exceptions08:03
bhaleajmitch: tehre is more paper work every time08:03
LaserJockwell, I just had way to many things, once Universe Freeze hit I moved on to other things08:04
LaserJockI just figured if they want it frozen then fine08:05
LaserJockthe whole "Lets freeze but expect lots of exceptions" is a bit confusing for people I think08:05
zulI think most people did..08:05
bhalewe also have alot more people now08:06
bhalei guess08:06
bhalethere used to be 20 uploaders08:06
zulhow many are there now?08:06
LaserJockwell, there are 57 MOTUs listed08:07
LaserJockmore core-devs too08:07
bhalethat 57 should overlap with core dev08:07
bhalebut there are 30 in there08:07
bhalelast i looked08:07
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LaserJock40 members of -core-dev08:08
LaserJockI'm guess around 10 as the overlap08:08
bhalei guess.08:08
LaserJockso that's close to 80 uploaders08:09
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LaserJockwhat's more important to me is the number of MOTU that are active08:12
LaserJockI was going to get the number of MOTUs that made an upload in Edgy08:12
ajmitch"80 people are members in total, directly and indirectly through other team memberships. "08:12
luisbgbut maybe those 80 are not active08:12
LaserJockajmitch: ah yeah08:13
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bddebianLaserJock: Good plan! :-)08:25
zulfaster pussycat kill kill08:25
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LaserJockyikes, over 200 pages with "MOTU" in the title08:37
LaserJockstupid redirects08:37
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iXceLaserJock in SAW III :p08:38
LaserJockWiki Chainsaw Massacre08:38
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LaserJockand another one bites the dust08:50
LaserJockdeleting wiki pages08:51
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bddebianWho the heck is this bhale guy? ;-)08:56
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bhalebddebian: sigh08:57
bhalesick of hearing about it08:57
bddebian:-(  Sorry08:57
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Amaranthbddebian: Something about losing tseng in a back alley... :P09:07
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bhaleabock, snorp, tberman, now bddebian09:08
bhalei cant escape the whiners09:08
AmaranthAt least they still know who you are09:09
bddebianI wasn't whining, just commenting.. Sheesh :'-(09:09
bhaleAmaranth: im famous and stuff09:09
AmaranthBefore I started using freenode I was 'Travis'. When I switched to Amaranth no one would believe I was the same person. :P09:10
bhalei had tseng since OPN09:10
bhalewhich most of you kids don't remember09:10
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luisbgbhale, you are old :P09:11
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luisbgI use "d33p" for most creative stuff, and luisbg for foss09:12
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lifelessI've had lifeless since uhm, 92 IIRC09:12
Amaranthheh, 22 is old :P09:12
Amaranthin 92 i didn't even know what AOL was09:13
luisbgAmaranth, how old are you unexperienced man?09:13
luisbgtoo bad girls prefere them more experienced and mature :P09:13
bhalei dont remember what year opn was09:15
bhale98 or 9909:15
bhaleit was the forerunner to freenode09:15
bhale(and irc.oftc.net)09:15
luisbgI see09:16
luisbgwhen I joined in the foss lifestyle... freenode was already there09:16
luisbgbhale, how did you enter foss?09:18
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bddebian22 is Old?? WTF???09:25
luisbgbddebian must be like 30 :P09:25
zulthere is nothing wrong with being 3009:25
luisbgzul, haven't said that09:26
herzizul: not? ;)09:26
bddebianluisbg: 36 man09:26
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luisbgbddebian, like kevin smith09:28
luisbgwhat is "your own wiki homepage"? at the motu wiki09:31
bhaleluisbg: hm09:33
bhaleluisbg: i started working on gentoo many years ago now09:33
luisbgbhale, cool09:33
LaserJockluisbg: like mine is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha09:41
luisbgI want to get one so I can keep a list of my contributions... like right now... the unmet bug fixes09:42
luisbgwhat do I have to do?09:43
luisbgcan I just create an empty page? or should I contribute more to be worth one09:44
LaserJockluisbg: just go to the URL you want to use09:45
luisbghttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/LuisdeBethencourt <----create an empty page09:46
luisbgI ment that09:46
LaserJockoh wait09:46
LaserJockis there a Homepage template on the left side?09:47
LaserJockor Personal page or something to that effect09:47
luisbgyes, much better =)09:47
_MMA_"but got tired of the compiling and tweaking and I wasn't spending as much time using my computer as working on it." -LaserJock :)09:48
_MMA_Crap. Wrong page. :)09:49
LaserJockgeeze, that's an old quote09:49
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LaserJockhhmmm, interesting post from Mark10:20
TheMusoWow. A security update already.10:22
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lotusleafI've discovered some packages in universe which say they cannot be installed because they require another package which isn't available. Where do I report this?10:23
LaserJockit should be already known10:23
LaserJockbut Launchpad is the place to look10:24
lotusleafLaserJock: Righteous, thank you.10:24
LaserJockdarn, it's too bad you don't get karma for wiki work10:26
LaserJock15 pages down the drain so far10:27
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LaserJockmaybe somebody should post a comment to Marks post saying "I'd rather just have Launchpad work" ;-)10:34
ajmitch"I'd rather just have Launchpad Free"10:35
TheMusoajmitch: I'm with you.10:35
LaserJocktalking about getting people together10:35
ajmitchget us all together, on a proprierary platform10:35
TheMusoWhat post are we talking about anyway?10:36
LaserJockTheMuso: Mark's planet post10:36
TheMusoWHich one?10:36
LaserJockhis last one10:36
TheMusoAbout packaging?10:36
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giskardthere is autopackage. you can use it through auto*10:41
giskardbut..i guess this is not a good idea.10:41
ajmitchno, not it's not a good idea10:42
ajmitchautopackage is not nice10:42
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LaserJockmaybe he wants to replace everything with bzr :-)10:44
TheMusoHeh at comment 20.10:45
giskardhello ajmitch10:45
TheMusoAnd 1910:45
LaserJocknone of them seem particularly spectacular to me10:46
ajmitchhi giskard10:46
TheMusoI think its people wanting Linux to work like Windows, in terms of packaging anyway.10:47
LaserJockI think it's more people wanting to get the latest crack as fast as they can10:47
ajmitchlike firefox, the minute it's released10:48
luisbgLaserJock, I still have 0 karma points :(10:48
nixternalspeaking of LP, check out bug 6976810:49
UbugtuBug 69768 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/69768 is private10:49
nixternaloh, now it says it is private10:49
_MMA_So theres no merit to wanting to have a standard? Even if to further unite GNU/Linux?10:49
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ajmitchnixternal: what was it?10:55
nixternalprivate i guess, it just didn't say that, it was blank10:56
nixternalwhy/how do they mark it private?10:56
TheMusoWhen you report a bug, there is an option to mark a bug private.10:56
nixternalah, never noticed that10:56
TheMusoTHere is probably also an option that can be set after the bug has been reported as well I guess.10:56
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imbrandonfor major security problems11:05
imbrandonso they are not publicly said before the fix is out11:05
imbrandonTheMuso, you said you have had streaming working before11:17
imbrandonwith a set playlist ? or could you choose it as you went along ?11:17
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TheMusoimbrandon: Streaming? What streaming are you referring to11:27
imbrandoni just want a simple way to stream some music11:29
imbrandonfrom a playlist i choose as it go's along11:29
imbrandonand i cant seem to find a solution11:29
TheMusoI think Icecast can do that.11:30
TheMusoI have only ever used it for live broadcasting.11:31
imbrandoneven live is fine but for some reason when i set it to stream live it only picks up my microphone , not the music11:33
imbrandonusing ices2 or what ever its called11:33
TheMusoWell I think that you can actually set up shoutcast itself to read from a playlist file.11:33
TheMusoYou'd have to check though.11:34
imbrandonyea , id rather use like xmms or amarok to play the music so i can make changes to the playlist as i go along11:34
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imbrandonthats the main issue, i can use icecast to play a playlist file11:34
TheMusoWell, you could use mpd to stream to icecast, and then use a GUI mpd client to control the playlist.11:34
imbrandonmpd will stream to icecast?11:35
TheMusoYou can make it do so yes.11:35
imbrandonthat would probably work out great11:35
TheMusoI remember reading about it on the mpd wiki.11:35
imbrandonnice, thanks, i'll look up that11:35
ajmitchsru stuff has gone nowhere again11:36
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TheMusoimbrandon: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Configuration#Icecast11:36
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imbrandonTheMuso, thanks11:37
imbrandonajmitch, yea11:37
ajmitchStevenK: humbly, giving thanks to everyone who nominated you, with a tearful speech?11:37
StevenKajmitch: Only thanking people who nominated me? Hah, I'd have to start with Linus, and work down.11:39
ajmitchprobably still got a day or two for nominations11:40
imbrandonyea i think dholbach said something about friday, not certain though11:41
ajmitchyes, he did11:42
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