=== milc [n=milc@205.213.122.72] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] hi! ubuntu-sru is the correct team to subscribe for edgy-updates uploads, right? :-) === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-56-75.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] no [01:13] oh? [01:13] Heya gang [01:13] Nafallo: read StableReleaseUpdates [01:13] bddebian: hi there :-) [01:13] Nafallo: kthx [01:13] Heya Nafallo [01:14] hmm, what's that SRU-team for then? :-) [01:14] there is no ubuntu-sru team [01:15] motu-sru even [01:15] that's for the *proposed* policy for universe, which we're discussing on the list [01:16] aha. [01:16] I have a backlog for mail so... :-/ [01:17] ' [01:17] I'm surprised you filed bugs against 2.6.19 [01:18] yea, I should have read the topic first. [01:18] I'm back on 2.6.17 now :-P [01:27] ajmitch, so did gnash look sane to you for upload when feisty opens ? [01:28] imbrandon: no idea, I haven't really checked it [01:28] hehe ok [01:29] i think i just started a flame-ish war in the kubuntu world [01:29] ( not intentionaly ) [01:30] well done [01:30] https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-koffice-by-default [01:31] the 28th "-by-defult" spec.. [01:31] heh [01:31] seems to be the new thing to name them [01:32] already accepted as a release goal, that's useful [01:32] yea mdz approved it [01:33] we need to get some of our directory specs approved as goals [01:33] a few minutes ago ( was suprised ) === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:37] freeflying, you get irssi working on gobstopper? or just using ircII [01:38] imbrandon: i'm using konversation :) [01:38] hrm how are you connecting from gobstopper then ? [01:38] [18:36] --> freeflying has joined this channel (i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com). [01:39] imbrandon: ssh-tunnel [01:39] ahh [01:39] :) [01:41] hm, I wonder if I should learn the python kde bindings [01:41] I guess I can see if I'll have time [01:41] yes, come to the dark side [01:41] more that I'd write both a gtk+ & a qt frontend [01:41] true [01:42] so that we don't cut out kubuntu from the network auth config stuff [01:42] imbrandon: I thought one couldn't use dreamhost to run IRC stuff. [01:42] TheMuso: probably port 8001 === Werdna [i=Andrew@wikimedia/Werdna] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] TheMuso, well aparently freeflying is ( he has a ssh account on my server heheh ) [01:43] Right. [01:44] and they have ircII installed but i dont like it, i tried to compile irssi but it dosent have the required perl modules [01:44] soooo i would have to compile perl too [01:44] That sucks. [01:44] and that was too much for my taste [01:44] But they have compilers on the servers? [01:44] Wow. [01:44] yea [01:45] and its allowed [01:45] Wow. [01:45] you just have to watch your cpu hours [01:45] Which you'd have to do if you are running IRC stuff anyway. [01:45] only 60 cpu hours a week are allowed or you get charged [01:46] hm, irssi has been running for a few months on my box [01:46] about the only thing dh dosent allow is bittorrent trackers [01:46] other than that its pretty much anything go's [01:47] They probably wouldn't allow streaming servers either. :) [01:47] they even have howtos for compiling and installing other python versions than what they have installed incase your site needs a diff version [01:47] Wow. === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] yea they alloow streaming servers [01:47] Hey LaserJock. [01:48] imbrandon: Like icecast etc? WHy not just install them for us? [01:48] i have an iceccast and darwin streaming server running on imbrandon.com [01:48] imbrandon: And how do you know this? [01:48] the dreamhost wiki :) [01:48] Ok. === TheMuso looks. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] hey Hobbsee [01:48] the darwin streaming server can be installed for you from the control pannel [01:49] Whats the darwin streaming server? [01:49] apples streaming server for quicktime [01:49] mov's rtsp:// etc [01:49] yuck [01:50] I'd rather use icecast. [01:50] Nothing on their wiki about that., [01:50] hi ajmitch, TheMuso, imbrandon [01:50] yea there is no howto for it on the wiki [01:50] Hey Hobbsee. [01:50] heya Hobbsee [01:50] you just compile and install it in your home dir === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pierre_ [n=pierre@r163.red.fastwebserver.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] hmm, my department server is running Debian stable === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121hkg.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] LaserJock: Why? [02:07] Nobody needs a stable server. [02:07] well, it got fried [02:08] it *was* running Suse 9.1 I think [02:08] Urgh, anything's better than that. [02:08] well, I think it's even different hardware [02:09] what's wrong with running sarge? [02:09] Good, you wouldn't want to run anything on a box which has been tainted by SuSE. === ajmitch likes sarge === Fujitsu prefers Dapper. [02:09] well, my problem is right now that mutt has weird characters [02:09] dapper is alright [02:09] ah that fun [02:10] I personally would love to have a Debian/Ubuntu server at work [02:10] you're too used to having UTF-8 enabled [02:10] right [02:10] can I turn it on for just me? [02:10] probably not [02:10] darn [02:10] I don't know [02:10] UTF-8 was only enabled in Hoary, AFAIK, so Sarge won't have it. [02:11] (global UTF-8 support, that is) [02:12] I wonder if we can kill off some of these specs [02:12] many of which will just sit & rot & clutter up launchpad [02:12] Is there even a Rejected state for them? [02:13] yes [02:13] Because there's a lot of clutter and random crap there. [02:13] though the display of the 'not for us' is broken [02:14] ack, what would I change it to for en_US ? en_US or iso-8859-1 ? [02:14] en_US.UTF-8 [02:14] if the locale is there [02:14] ISO-8859-1 should be approximately the same as en_US. [02:15] LaserJock: first use "locale -a" to check [02:16] LaserJock: if en_US.UTF-8 is there, set it to that; otherwise set to en_US (which uses iso-8859-1) [02:16] Fujitsu: s/approximately// [02:17] minghua: sweet, I set set charset="en_US" in muttrc and it's all good [02:18] LaserJock: yeah, that means you are currently using en_US locale === ajmitch wonders if he should nominate people for the sru tasks [02:19] why not === Fujitsu nominates ajmitch, ajmitch, ajmitch, and a few more ajmitches. [02:19] ajmitch: nope, but you can process mine, thanks! [02:19] ajmitch, sure, you started the ball rolling :) [02:20] Hobbsee: no I can't [02:20] imbrandon: it's more a case of picking names [02:20] ajmitch, yea , thats what i said in my last email [02:20] heh [02:20] did anybody get my "MOTU Todo" email? [02:21] which I haven't seen [02:21] LaserJock, yup [02:21] LaserJock: Yes. [02:21] LaserJock: yes, we got your mail of your glorious ideas [02:21] ok, my email is so screwy these day [02:21] ajmitch: haha [02:21] well, I'm sending from different servers [02:21] with different addresses [02:21] sometimes things don't go right [02:22] hrm i got the email [02:22] but it dident show on the web list === imbrandon scratches his head [02:22] imbrandon: I didn't get it [02:23] hrm yea i just looked at the web archive [02:23] its not htere [02:23] but i have it in my inbox :( [02:24] timestamped 20 minutes before laserjocks email [02:24] how unfortunate [02:24] it's a sign [02:24] http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss114.png === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] even says it from the list in the headers :( [02:25] wth [02:26] imbrandon: I got that one. [02:26] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29638/ [02:26] is the contents [02:26] dunno why its not showing up to everyone [02:28] imbrandon: I got it [02:28] Damn, NWN2 was supposed to ship today.. [02:29] NWN2 == ? [02:29] Never Winter Nights [02:29] bddebian, dont tell me that i was addicted to NWN for months :) === imbrandon covers his ears [02:29] imbrandon: Me too :-) [02:29] hehe [02:29] I used to run an NWN server on a Debian server ;-) [02:30] yea me too [02:30] i still have all the scripts somewhere [02:30] man === milc [n=milc@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:30] bddebian, we're gonna have to get a NWN2 server going :) [02:30] oh geeze [02:30] wooo count me in [02:30] It runs on Linux, does it? [02:31] Hey, we can make that the goal for the Ubuntu Games Server ;-) [02:31] Fujitsu, yea its one of the few 3d games designed for linux too [02:31] Wow. === Fujitsu Wikipedias it. [02:31] But it is "non-free" [02:31] yea i payed $75 for the client [02:31] if it was America's Army I'd be impressed [02:31] pfft [02:32] Though I did like Call of Duty I and II :-) [02:32] how much is NWN2 ? [02:32] imbrandon: paid, please [02:32] Burgwork, yea i'm lazy on IRC [02:32] $75?? WTF? [02:32] IRC is no excuse [02:32] LaserJock: people who play that are all flash, no brains [02:32] bddebian, i bought the collectors edition with the maps t-shirt and stuff [02:33] Ahhh [02:33] The most I ever payed for a game is $40. :P [02:33] The most I ever payed for a game is... === Fujitsu thinks. [02:34] Can't say I've ever played a non-free (as in beer) game. [02:34] jsgotangco: you play what? America's Army? [02:34] NWN and UO [02:34] :) [02:34] jsgotangco: grr, who play what? I meant [02:34] Morrowind (and eventually Oblivion) ;-) [02:35] America's Army and Unreal Tournament 2004 are the only games I've really ever played much [02:36] we had my lab set up as a UT2004 lan server [02:36] we had every machine in the lab playing [02:36] it was fun [02:36] lol [02:37] man i dont know where my NWN cd's are, thats probably a good thing [02:37] Who needs them with NWN2 coming? ;-P [02:37] heh === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon go's to look for screen shots [02:39] i hope you can make each of the areas bigger in NWN2 [02:40] GOES! [02:40] we tried to recreate a UO map in NWN and it was too small [02:42] heh [02:43] http://www.nwn2.com You have to watch the trailer if you can, it's pretty cool [02:43] the problem is, im pretty much addicted to anything pocket at the moment, i just bought clubhouse games for the DS [02:44] bddebian, yea i just did, looks great [02:44] jsgotangco: My old eyes are too tired for something that small :-) === jsgotangco watches the trailer [02:46] bddebian, trailer looks very nice, but gives me no clue about how the game's gonna be... [02:46] hmm, I've just never gotten into RPGs [02:47] I love RPGs, but I'm not into the truly random (dice-based-like) fighting. Like NWN. [02:47] WTF? You're not allowed into the Geek club then ;-P [02:48] bddebian: no, I'm a chemist so I'm in the Nerd Club technically [02:48] hehe [02:48] micahcowan: There are some gameplay shots on gamespot.com [02:48] micahcowan: so no dungeons and dragons? [02:49] nerds shun geeks and their obsession with fantasy and Star Trek conventions [02:49] ;-) [02:49] there're some gameplay shots on atari.com's site, too. === bddebian HATES Star Trek [02:49] Well, the original anyway [02:49] ugghhh [02:49] zul, not most of the D&D /videogames/, no. And, unfortunately, when D&D was really big and I would've had more opportunity to get into it, my fundy parents wouldn't let me even think of it. :) [02:50] I think I'd really enjoy the actual pen-and-paper ones, provided it was a good team. [02:50] LaserJock: im thinking of getting one of those mindstorms NXT toys [02:51] jsgotangco: what the heck is that? [02:52] http://mindstorms.lego.com/Overview/ [02:52] heh [02:52] micahcowan: pitty [02:52] whoa [02:52] yeah :( === bddebian loves Lego's [02:52] yeah i grew up with them === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:53] it has a 32bit arm7 [02:53] I had a MERP set (Middle Earth Role Playing, based on ICE rules), but my parents got rid of that when they discovered the "Channeling" branch of magic === micahcowan loves Legos too, but not most of the crap they sell nowadays... === w01 [n=w00@c-71-194-81-247.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] my wife has a whole shitload of lego in the basement [02:54] playmobil was fun as a kid [02:55] Weebles man, weebles ;-P === bddebian shows his age again === w01 [n=w00@c-71-194-81-247.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:56] lol === Fujitsu hugs his H8/300 in the RCX (from the original Mindstorms set) [02:57] tinker toys and lincon logs [02:58] And Erector sets, ROCK ON ;-P [02:58] Hahah, yes. [02:58] lol yea [02:58] We need more sharp metal toys these days! ;-P [02:58] with small screws and bolts [02:58] survival of the fittest ? [02:58] imbrandon: https://launchpad.net/people/mythtv-dev/+members <-- your team shoudl include ubuntu- in the same [02:59] imbrandon: otherwise you are polluting the namespace of LP [02:59] umm thats not my team, but sure [02:59] ohh i did get added [02:59] ok === fatsheep [n=ubuntu@74.130.193.56] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:00] I had this argument with the telepathy team as well [03:00] chill out :) [03:01] unless they want to work on mythtv in general [03:01] lifeless: given LP is more than just ubuntu... [03:01] Burgwork: Not by much. [03:02] regardless, we shouldn't shit all over the default namespace just cause we can [03:02] Of course. [03:02] sure, but i doubt it was intentional "shitting" on it as there is no written guideline [03:02] :) [03:02] I suspect not [03:03] chill [03:03] its all good jsgotangco [03:03] no ones is riled up that i can tell [03:04] hmm, the fun with text communication [03:04] I am not annoyed, but both jsgotangco and lifeless assumed that [03:04] anyhow Burgwork its a new team made by superm1 sugested by jono, so it can be changed easy tomarrow :) [03:04] imbrandon: did your mail appear in the archive? [03:04] imbrandon: yep, figured that is why I would get it quickly [03:04] ajmitch, i dident check again [03:05] Burgwork, but i would write something up if you really feel strongly as i'm sure you dont have the time to police all new teams created [03:05] I will blog about it [03:05] ( not sarcasim , just a thought ) [03:05] imbrandon: ah, it's on gmane [03:05] i wonder why the weirdness ajmitch [03:05] why does everyone feel the need to nominate 95% of the active MOTUs? [03:06] Fujitsu, and LaserJock said they got it too [03:06] ajmitch, i just regirgitated those that were already nominated [03:06] ajmitch: 95% ? [03:06] not hardly :-) [03:06] LaserJock: maybe 100% then [03:07] heh [03:07] there are 15 nominations out of 57 [03:07] I said active [03:07] that's 26% === bddebian hides [03:08] who else is active that you've forgotten to nominate? [03:08] I don't think anybody [03:08] that was in fact my point [03:08] so you really want just any MOTU to approve updates [03:08] why don't you state that? [03:09] I want to have 5-7 people from the active motus to do it [03:09] and another 5-7 for motu-uvf [03:09] 10-14 total [03:09] which is about what we've got [03:09] my main concern is that we seem to always turn to dholbach, slomo, siretart, and crimsun [03:10] if you want _my__ nominations i say LaserJock, crimsun, ajmitch, sistopy, bddebian, me, slomo [03:10] who are very busy with their own work [03:10] suggest that then, instead of nominating the world & not making it clear that you want more than the initial 4 suggested [03:10] I just don't feel it's a good idea to keep loading the same people with all the review tasks [03:10] LaserJock, right [03:11] but dholbach doesn't know that you feel that way [03:11] ajmitch, ok i'll send a new mail right now [03:11] ajmitch: well I actually didn't think people would accept the nominations === ajmitch is tempted to not accept any nominations [03:11] ajmitch: you're right, my email was somewhat flippant. [03:12] ajmitch: then don't. I wasn't trying to force people to do it. I just wanted to say "Heh, we have capable people here" [03:12] I didn't say you were forcing people to [03:13] well, but maybe some might take it that way [03:13] I guess I should have been more careful [03:14] imbrandon: hobbsee will never forgive you [03:14] or LaserJock [03:14] neither of you nominated her [03:14] well, I thought about it for sure, but I thought she'd be busy with school [03:14] nah [03:14] she always finds time for MOTU [03:16] That she does. [03:16] :) [03:17] ok new email sent with my thoughts [03:18] yay === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] F*** speakup! [03:20] wahoo, I'm out ;-) [03:20] LaserJock: ? [03:20] tell me if you get this one [03:20] imbrandon's new list of nominations [03:20] lol [03:20] ? [03:21] imbrandon: I still haven't got your first one, so I blame my ISP's mail servers again [03:21] well it was hobbsee | LaserJock , i made a choice [03:21] hehe [03:21] good choice [03:21] confusing the matter again [03:22] ajmitch, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29646/ === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] yay, I'm out too :) [03:22] hey bmonty [03:23] hi ajmitch [03:23] well you were in motu-uvf [03:23] hi bmonty [03:23] hi LaserJock! === ash211_ [n=andrew@user-11210su.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] imbrandon: so is siretart, who is very busy with his thesis :) [03:24] ahh ok, well i did my part , thus the last line , thoughts , flames ....... [03:24] :) === ajmitch doesn't care [03:25] i wonder whats up with it, the official archives dont have my first one either but some seem to get it as with [03:25] gmaine etc [03:25] gmane === ajmitch wonders if it would have just been simpler to just have dholbach pick people [03:27] probably [03:27] i hate choosing [03:27] how was the motu-uvf formed? [03:27] dholbach picked people [03:28] that probably is the way to go then === ajmitch probably shouldn't have been in it [03:28] it doesn't really matter I guess [03:29] we might want to get a bit better at doing this stuff quickly [03:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalXConfiguration <--- any other tools I should add to this page? [03:29] we've wasted quite a bit of time arguing the fine points of the SRU policy [03:30] I'm probably the worst about that :( [03:30] Burgwork: how about making the use case of adding additional monitors be something more general [03:30] "what colour should the bikeshed be?" [03:30] bmonty: add more uses cases as needed [03:30] Burgwork, looks good, infact i started some sax2 packages a while back as thats a godsend on suse === Werdna [i=Andrew@wikimedia/Werdna] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] imbrandon: but does the sax2 code duplicate the new input/output hotplug stuff in xorg? [03:31] I'll just slightly modify the one you have [03:31] Burgwork, not sure [03:31] i would have to look [03:31] imbrandon: hence the issue. AFAICS, we need a simple dialog [03:31] the x people are talking about killing xorg.conf entirely [03:32] I think I'll hide from MOTU stuff until UDS :) [03:32] imbrandon: interesting, I detested sax2. it was always messing up my X configuration. maybe it was just me [03:32] ajmitch: heh [03:32] well the one reason i like sax2 over hte others is 1) easy 3d accell enabling and 2) it can use a working X server for display but dosent require one, it will outpout to FB/VESA if needed [03:33] I understand [03:33] e.g. if X is totaly broke [03:33] the latter is solved by the bulletproof-X spec [03:33] please see the outstanding issues section [03:35] hence why I favour system-config-xfree86 [03:35] it is bold and simple [03:35] well in that case you only have basicly 2 options , 1) write something becosue the existing stuff wont work 2) fix xorg-edit to use qt/gtk [03:35] how is that different than what we have now? [03:36] right in that case it will be duped in guidance [03:36] I am confused by your statement [03:36] guidance is qt [03:36] right [03:36] we need an Ubuntu X config tool [03:36] not a Kubuntu one [03:37] why would it be DE specific? [03:37] that seems sort of odd to me [03:37] because QT is not in the default install of Ubuntu [03:38] Burgwork: I modified the use case to be more general to multiple monitors instead of just two monitors [03:38] LaserJock, and because the ubuntu and kubuntu config screens are quite diffrent, you dont want one tool standing out [03:38] sounds good [03:38] hey there [03:39] hmm, I was thinking it would be outside of the Gnome and KDE config systems [03:39] LaserJock: Xorg is already starting to deal with autoconfiguration [03:39] like for Fluxbox or XFCE people, etc [03:39] we need a GUI to drive that [03:39] a wxpython GUI is no good? [03:39] not in main [03:39] nor does it handle QT/KDE [03:40] I thought wxwidgets were DE neutral [03:40] but nevermind [03:40] yes, but is not in main and has security issues [03:41] actually, wxwidgets is GTK on LInux, Cocoa on Mac and native on Windows [03:41]