[12:18] there are lots of "atomic" specs in LP and that's very confusing... one spends too much time simply opening all those "mini"-spec pages [12:18] agreed [12:21] ogra: what do you think about Burgwork suggestion for a "bridge"- or common spec for that whole network-integration/identity management stuff (ldap, auth, ...) ? [12:21] sure [12:21] but lets do that at UDS [12:21] if wE're all in one room to discuss it [12:22] lets not clutter LP more than it needs in advance [12:22] indeed [12:22] why I am cursing my fracking employer right now [12:22] but you said that without a spec, meetings don't happen, because the schedule is already booked out? [12:22] no, the schedule can flex [12:22] ah [12:22] good to hear that :) [12:23] if you meet about something, and that breaks into three or four specs, or specs get merge, the schedule changes [12:23] ok, I shall not worry too much [12:23] only the first day is decided ahead of time [12:23] ic [12:25] got to get some sleep now, cu folks === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.92] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === lguerra [n=lguerra@201.245.166.237] has joined #edubuntu === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === lguerra [n=lguerra@201.245.166.237] has joined #edubuntu [01:51] si, si lo veo === jono [n=jono@88-107-3-169.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu [01:52] sorry, === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-241-87-17.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=Jack@61.49.220.78] has joined #edubuntu === freet15 [n=freet15@61.49.220.78] has joined #edubuntu === RichJ [n=Richard@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === RichJ [n=Richard@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === RichJ [n=Richard@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #edubuntu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #edubuntu === freet15 [n=freet15@61.49.220.78] has joined #edubuntu === shiv [n=shiv@c-65-96-200-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=Jack@61.49.220.78] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.49.220.78] has joined #edubuntu === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:59] Evening all [04:00] h3//o [04:02] sbalneav! [04:02] Hey LaserJock === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.49.220.78] has joined #edubuntu === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #edubuntu ["clear"] === bimberi [n=dsymons@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === eSeong [n=eseong@60.48.219.241] has joined #edubuntu [05:07] anyone here could get dlink dwl-122 usb to work on ubuntu ? === freet15 [n=freet15@61.49.220.78] has joined #edubuntu === edubuntugirl [n=edubuntu@ubuntu/bot/edubuntugirl] has joined #edubuntu === whyameye [n=john@ip68-102-23-64.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has left #edubuntu [] === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === kwak [n=opera@61.19.195.42] has left #edubuntu [] === kwak [n=opera@61.19.195.42] has joined #edubuntu === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [07:41] hi RichEd [07:41] hi kwak [07:41] im installing my edubuntu test machine today on a virtual server. [07:42] good luck :) [07:42] i wanted to test it first before removing k12 [07:42] RichEd.. i install edubunbtu done.. [07:42] but i could not interfere with my adapter :( [07:43] im new to debian. you know any guide in using edubuntu. [07:43] eSeong, what do you mean? [07:43] kwak: there is a document page ... let me find the link' [07:43] interfere? interface? [07:43] interface** === eSeong sorry for my broken english. [07:44] you can't configure the network adapters you mean? [07:45] they never support. [07:45] my dlink dwl-122 :( [07:45] kwak: http://www.edubuntu.org/Documentation [07:45] eSeong, i have a dwl-something, but i lent it to a mate, so i'm not sure what the exact number is. it doesnt work in dapper, it might in edgy though [07:53] thanks RichEd [07:54] LaserJock: you alive atm ? [07:54] why yes [07:55] just in another channel :) [07:56] dof question ... I am busy registering my attendance at UDS and I see that everyone's availability date starts with 2006-11-06 ... what happened to sunday ? [07:57] it's UTC time [07:59] i thought about that but 09.00hrs on Sunday 5th November (local time) is 09:00+8:00 to get to UTC which is still in Sunday ? [08:00] I don't know [08:00] okay ... not serious ... just was wondering [08:00] oh, well I think I did put in that I would get there Saturday night maybe [08:00] tx. [08:01] I just kinda did what everybody else was doing ;-) === cafuego [n=cafuego@ppp194-138.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === jonathan1 [n=jonathan@196.1.57.78] has joined #edubuntu === lguerra [n=lguerra@201.245.166.237] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [08:10] LaserJock: how and where do your dynamic menus fit into feisty and UDS ... got time for a quick chat ? [08:11] yeah [08:11] I registered a spec for Mt. View [08:11] but I'm only going to be at Mt. View Sunday and Monday [08:11] and it's set at Medium priority [08:12] so I'm not sure how to handle that yet [08:13] RichEd: what do you want to know? [08:13] LaserJock: no problems re date limitations ... pips1 also will be there until tuesday ... so we will try to get our discussions set for early days [08:14] Well we think (in the meeting discussion yesterday) that your dynamic menus kind of overlap to some degree with our need for Edubuntu Secondary and Edubuntu University "editions" ... so wanted to get the discussions overlapping as well [08:15] yes, in fact I'm very interested in all of those [08:16] right ... let me see how I can fit these together in some way ... will chat more later [08:17] I'm also interested in expanding the menu stuff into general user management [08:17] I don't think the current Gnome user management tools are very friendly for school admins === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #edubuntu [08:18] LaserJock: user management is an interesting one [08:18] config management in general [08:19] yeah [08:19] this landscape-client stuff is what I am sort of waiting for [08:19] there are all these bits and pieces [08:19] the key piece is we need a unified effort [08:20] but we need to pull things together [08:21] I've wondered if we should make SCP plugins [08:21] scp is one interesting piece [08:21] scp needs to work across a network [08:21] made a more general admin tool [08:22] yeah, I just don't know what exactly to do [08:23] seems like we need to make sure we have the underlying systems and then interface that to SCP or something [08:23] here is part of what you need to do [08:23] tell Mark to get the landscape-client stuff on the table [08:24] hmm [08:24] until then, it is all talk, becuase there is no sane reason to duplicate effort [08:24] and landscape client is going to be installed on every ubuntu machine out there [08:24] dapper, edgy, and onwards [08:24] when? this is the first I've heard of it [08:25] there is an empty package in dapper and edgy [08:25] right [08:25] but is there code? [08:25] is it more then vapor-ware? [08:25] yes, within Cancomical towers [08:26] yeah, well [08:27] but do you see the issue? [08:27] any attempt to create a client and get it into Ubuntu is going to fail [08:28] why? [08:28] by default, at any rate [08:28] however, threatening to create such a client would probably force Mark to get on with it [08:29] well, I wasn't thinking of anything like that I don't think [08:30] I just want tools that a teacher or admin can use to manage Edubuntu installs [08:30] but once you start talking about changing things on a mass scale you need a client [08:31] I'm thinking user control and dynamic menus [08:31] but I see where having that sort of thing will be good in the future [08:32] yes [08:32] but you need an agent on the client side to do stuff, in the case of user control [08:33] why? [08:33] it all happens on the same machine [08:33] it's an LTSP server [08:33] one thing i think would be a help is an easy way to make preseeded cds. you can make things as easy as you want, but if you cant easily do a mass deplyment the way you need, its a bit useless :| [08:33] what about large deployments with multiple servers? [08:33] what about fat clients? [08:33] we aren't there yet [08:34] yes, actually, we are [08:34] I mean, it'd be nice [08:34] people are deploying them, therefor we need to consider those use cases [08:34] sure [08:34] think outside Edubuntu for a second [08:34] I know I know [08:34] I have 3 machines at work, with 7 users [08:34] I want a single control panel for all those machines [08:34] but we can dream all we want, but we have to have people to implement this stuff [08:35] what can we realistically do in Feisty [08:35] well, depends what Mark does with landscape [08:35] it is quite doable, assuming he plays along [08:35] I'm not going to rely on Mark for anything [08:36] haven't they been working on Landscape now for like 6 months supposedly? [08:36] landscape has a complete server side as well [08:36] is it another LP project in the making? [08:36] basically [08:36] kept behind locked doors with the possibility of it being released before the polar ice caps melt and we all drown [08:37] the server is going to be closed source [08:37] but the client, miracles of miracles, must be shipped with Ubuntu [08:37] thus it must be open source [08:37] im not liking the sound of "closed source" at all [08:37] meh === Kamping_Kaiser agrees with nixternal on this [08:37] it goes against the philosophy...whats next? [08:37] I could care less about the server side [08:37] I just want to see the client and its code [08:38] svn diff philosophy.orig philosophy.new > closed_source_muhahah.diff [08:38] the community can replicate teh server side quite easily [08:38] Burgundavia: sure, if we have a client then that's cool [08:38] I know that if we go and do the client, we are not going to get it accepted by default [08:38] replicating == duplicating == time lost on other important projects [08:39] wow, that was intuative [08:39] sure [08:39] maybe i should think next time before i speak [08:39] I suggest you gusy all email mark and ask him [08:39] lay it out, exactly which specs are being slowed down because of it [08:39] nixternal, yes, it also puts you competeing with yourself in this instance [08:39] haha [08:39] Burgundavia: well, I'm not in a place to do that [08:39] no doubt, as i duplicated myself there ;) [08:40] LaserJock: yes, yes you are [08:40] nix ;) [08:41] LaserJock: if you are planning to work on scp in Feisty, you need to tell Mark you work is being slowed down because of his inaction [08:41] I think Mark is thinking like a magician on this one: The grand flourish of the release [08:45] Kamping_Kaiser / Burgundavia / nixternal : while I don't pretend to 100% understand all of what you are discussing above :) there is a lot of overlap with the discussion in the meeting yesterday stemming from feature requests from posts to the edubuntu-devel and edubuntu-user mailing list [08:45] ugh @ landscape [08:46] there is a page in progress here with the user requests extracted into one place: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UdsMtvEdubuntu [08:46] I am working through the meeting changes to the page now [08:47] We thought that quite a few of the requests that originated as "school requests" applied to ubuntu environments and requirements as well ... like remote takeover of workstations etc. [08:47] highvoltage: why so? the closed source nature of it? [08:48] Burgundavia: yes. launchpad is already causing me some... well, 'irritation', for lack of better word [08:48] right === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage === e1mer [n=elmer@58.71.14.245] has joined #edubuntu [08:48] Burgundavia: I noticed landscape in the archives a while back and asked on -devel, but no one wanted to tell me much about it :/ [08:48] I don't pretend to understand Mark, but I think I know why he is doing this === pygi [n=mario@83-131-7-126.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [08:48] he loves the "grand unveil" [08:49] he does. [08:49] it worked well with Ubuntu, because there was no community [08:49] now there is and we are getting annoyed [08:49] but it's against the release early and often nature of Ubuntu [08:49] yes, yes it is [08:50] if it's good and worthwhile, debian will rewrite it... eventually... so there is some hope at least [08:51] right [08:52] it probably sounds silly, and I'm not sure if I should mention this yet... [08:52] highvoltage: that debian comment brings up a question I had in mind ... in general, how do we stay in touch with what is being developed upstream and which will become available to us, to avoid duplicate dev effort. does it just rely on informal communication ? [08:53] but for tuxlab, we want some of the launchpad infrastructure, but I don't want to force a proprietary product on our users [08:53] so I thought of rewriting the launchpad functionality that we need in something like django. we would be able to have most of what we need in a mini-launchpad. [08:54] RichEd: if you make the upstream landscape proprietary, you can't avoid duplication, really === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu [08:55] Burgundavia: the big thing here is we don't really have any developers for this stuff [08:55] we're a distro and I'm not sure we can do a lot of upstream development kind of things [08:55] we are upstream for managment software [08:55] but should we be? [08:55] for now, yes [08:56] ogra can't do everything? [08:56] it is more a peer to peer thing [08:56] s/?// [08:56] well, we have community to do some of upstream products which then can be merged into several distros [08:56] not only Ubuntu family [08:56] I meant more along the lines of the "request" yesterday for us to add a feature to allow Mac and Win to log onto and into a *buntu domain and use resources in an authenticated manner. We debated that this may be developed by debian or a 3rd party (if there was a percieved need) [08:56] RichEd: the other way around is more interesting [08:56] ubuntu to AD [08:57] as windows to Ubuntu requires a server [08:57] Burgundavia: there is a directory group & strong focus on this for MV [08:58] I am part of the founding group of people on the ubuntu-directory team [08:58] we are not thinking server right now [08:58] So, I am not really homing in on the feature, but the concept ... how do we know what is being done by others (which we can use) when we plan new developments ? [08:59] on the ldap server side, there are two interesting things [08:59] samba4 and FDS [08:59] RichEd: I read slashdot and debian times, that helps for me :) [08:59] highvoltage: and I presume we have debian folk at our UDS ? [08:59] RichEd: or I keep up to date by aggregating a whole bunch of stuff... http://technews.jonathancarter.co.za [08:59] hmm, how do you email Mark and see "Stop being a twat and give us code", without doing that [09:00] RichEd: yes [09:00] RichEd: that isn't debian. Samba4 is mostly Novell and FDS is Fedora Directory Server [09:00] when I say upstream, I mean a lot more than debian [09:01] Regarding the need for developer bandwidth ... there is some possible relief in sight, but I'll only explain on the condition that this does not start rampant speculation or heated feelings. [09:01] I know Ubuntu in general has a fair amount of development power, but I think for Feisty we will have about 1 full time developer's worth of development in Edubuntu [09:03] LaserJock: +1 at least :) [09:03] I'm looking at all the specs we have and I'm just not seeing how we are going to be able to make much of a dent in it [09:03] pygi: I doubt it [09:03] LaserJock: hm, I don't :) [09:03] => Canonical is a project partner in an EU sponsored project called Edulinux. We are contracted in for a whack of developement days, to produce a Education Server and related tools. [09:03] our specs will get brutally winnowed down === jbrefort [n=jean@lns-bzn-32-82-254-17-228.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:03] Burgundavia: you are too pessimistic [09:04] ^_^ [09:04] Burgundavia: right, which will mean most of this stuff goes by the wayside for now [09:04] => Oliver and I go to the first workshop in the last week of November (in Lodz in Poland) [09:04] pygi: I am a realist [09:04] by "education server", what does that mean? [09:04] Burgundavia: perhaps, but reality estimation are here to be broken [09:04] are we talking AD-style? === e1mer [n=elmer@58.71.14.245] has left #edubuntu [] [09:06] => So if we can shape our requests for Feisty to overlap with what we think will be requested by the other project partners, then we will be able to access some funds for warm bodies ... note this in no way implies any new position or post in Canonical ... and will probably be some part time or time boxed approach. [09:06] right [09:06] that is cool [09:06] Burgundavia: let me get the project summary for you [09:06] I need to be in MTV === Burgundavia grumbles about work [09:06] Burgundavia: big fan of beyonce? [09:06] highvoltage: knowles? [09:07] yeah. she's in MTV too atm. sorry, no time for jokes :/ [09:07] right [09:07] And while I do that, the one thought / comment is that the kind of management tools you were all talking about above would be high on the educators' agenda (seeing as they were also requested from our list users). [09:07] managment is high on everybodies list [09:09] And a final comment, if we can push the feature to an Ubuntu feature level, then perhaps (Ogra + Help Dev from Edubuntu) + (Ubuntu Dev) may be sufficient to get it underway ? [09:09] RichEd: installatino of edubuntu is finish. i testing client (vmware), it can get an address, but stops in TFTP. do i need to do something else [09:09] highvoltage: ^^^ can you help kwak [09:10] RichEd: sure. I would love to see what needs are education specific and what can be made more generic [09:12] kwak: try restarting inetd: sudo /etc/init.d/inetd restart [09:12] kwak: if that doesn't work, check thet tftpd is enabled in /etc/inetd.conf [09:12] ok. [09:12] kwak: vmware sometimes does some strange things too [09:13] Burgundavia: that comment brings us back to the Edubuntu approach, or Ubuntu and Education approach ... if the Edulinux Project Team perceive a better fit with Ubuntu for say High Schools / Universities than Edubuntu (in its current state) then what they request as tools may need to work at the Ubuntu level [09:13] RichEd: under the covers, Edubuntu IS Ubuntu [09:13] highvoltage: i got a TFTP oopen timeout [09:14] there is no difference. Same kernel, same desktop, everyting === Kamping_Kaiser slaps Burgundavia for pointless pointing outs [09:14] Kamping_Kaiser: RichEd is new to this game [09:14] Burgundavia: new, not dof [09:14] yes, but i was under the impression he wasnt that new :O [09:15] heh [09:15] sorry [09:15] kwak: I think you might have to check your vmware network settings, I don't think the problem is with the edubuntu installation [09:15] I am been fighting with stuff at work for 5 hours, didn [09:15] t get home until 10pm [09:15] know the feeling burg :| [09:15] Kamping_Kaiser: he isn't that new, he worked for HP education before [09:15] o_0 [09:16] work has been dicking around on the developmetn side as well, so feeling like I need to change something [09:16] posslby that might involve sharp pointy things [09:16] Burgundavia: What I am saying is that if there is a need for (1) remote takeover of workstations (2) mass creation of users and home directories ... just because the request happens to originate from a Education user request, does not make it an Edubuntu feature requirement. [09:16] absolutely [09:17] ok. il try that. the tftp boot is not commented [09:17] Yes, Edubuntu wants this available. But surely Ubuntu does as well, and we can work *with* them and their greater resource pool to make it happen and available for all. [09:17] RichEd: which brings us back to landscape and the need for a client [09:17] see, that is interesting, because I see no divide between Kubuntu,Ubuntu, Xubuntu and Edubuntu [09:18] especially Edu and U, because they share so much [09:19] I see 1 Edubuntu Developer and 50 Ubuntu developers and would love to have them building generic stuff underneath us, so that we can concentrate on the Education specific things, like desktop and application choices, and a few school specific tools. [09:19] right [09:21] anyway, I need to be at work in 7 hours [09:21] thus I need to sleep [09:21] night all [09:21] Burgundavia: sleep tight [09:21] night [09:21] Burgundavia: check msg window for Edulinux summary [09:21] and then sleep tight :) [09:21] got it === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === jono [n=jono@88-107-3-169.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu [09:34] i still want to know if edubuntu has problems with broadcom. :) [09:35] im so anxious to replace my k12ltsp installation, giving me headache. === pygi doesn't think it has problems with it [09:36] if the kernel supports it, it will work [09:37] o well, i think it's just a fedora problem. [09:38] so edubuntu works out of the box right? [09:38] depends what you need to work ;) [09:38] what do you mean. we're just using LTSP in a school computer lab. [09:39] installed crossover to run MS Office. === willvdl [n=Will@vc-196-207-32-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:39] what's the minimum requirements, my server is dual CPU and 4GB RAM, supporting 25 clients [09:40] ltsp should 'just work', yes === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:40] i run 15 clients off a 3 gig p4, 2 gig of ram. [09:40] and doesnt break a sweat [09:40] hey all [09:41] hi willvdl :) [09:41] anyone ever used any of the HP thin-clients? [09:44] compaq evo's to be more precise [09:45] hi will ... the terminal boxes, the size of a phone book ? [09:46] yeah [09:46] compaq evos? using some now. [09:46] unless you mean hardware thin clients - these are netbooted desktops [09:46] http://tinyurl.com/axtzw [09:47] e.g. t5125 [09:47] they have a 2.4 kernel in, supprtx-terminal, ica, rdp [09:47] support x-terminal [09:48] Kamping_Kaiser, are you etherbooting them off an edubuntu server? [09:48] willvdl, i'm pxe booting desktop pcs [09:49] sorry, meant hardware TC's [09:49] willvdl: there was a norwegian outfit using these for a managed education solution ... they also sorted out how to get into the firmware, and load Linux and OpenOffice so that the device was usable even if the network was not available [09:50] aha. I'm trying to figure out if it is better to run them as netbooting thin-clients (aka LTSP) or as embedded devices running remote x-terminals [09:55] much of a muchness [09:55] ltsp=secure connections though [09:56] well, one could use ssh tunneling? [09:56] yes, if you can be bothered [09:57] and if it's all in one room then security is not really a problem...kind of [09:57] actually looking for path of least resistance [09:58] if they netboot, tahts what i would be using [09:58] if one *had* a bunch of terminals with various terminal emulators built into the flash, might it not be better to use that as opposed to configuring for netboot? [09:58] ah, thanks [09:59] I wonder if it's possible to use the flash RAM as local storage... [10:01] dinner! === willvdl_ [n=Will@vc-196-207-32-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [10:07] willvdl: an edubuntu thin client will see it as a local hard disk [10:08] cool [10:13] highvoltage, what yatc's have you used in "production"? [10:13] yatc's? [10:15] yet another thin-client (your term :) ) [10:16] d'oh! [10:17] mostly a variety of via thin clients. they are producing some cool stuff at the moment. [10:17] we got a bunch of hp's too that we wanted to use as diskless fat clients, but they were just a little underpowered. [10:18] hmmm, I'm presuming I'm going to use HP stuff since, hey, it's HP doing it :) [10:18] yeah, the via stuff did look cool. what was the cost? [10:23] :) === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [10:24] via stuff is quite cheap, I don't have exact prices (rand/doller changing, etc) [10:24] but a thin client with a C3 1ghz processor, 512MB RAM, nice 3d display card, is about R600 === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [10:25] they run great as full machines too === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [10:26] eish, that's good [10:26] how's their power management? === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [10:28] nixternal: you got a tsunami in your areal ? [10:28] *area === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [10:30] wtf? === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [10:31] he got the quit message right though :P === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [10:32] omg! === Kamping_Kaiser sugets a +b on nixternal untill he works himself out [10:32] anyone familiar with symbiont? === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [10:34] highvoltage: +b on nix for a bit? :) === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [10:37] battery low. gotto run and find a plug === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [10:40] pygi: ouch, I see === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [10:40] even his quit messages is causing flood === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [10:41] highvoltage, normal you have to ban him;) === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | edgy (6.10) is released ! grab it while its hot ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edgy/ | Upgraders see: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Tue Oct 31 11:41:10 2006 === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === jean [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [03:01] re [03:01] so how can I make a terminal user? [03:08] hunmaat: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation [03:09] RichEd: i can't find it there... [03:09] try: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook [03:09] hunmaat: use the Users and Groups tool under System -> Administration [03:09] i did so [03:10] hunmaat: does ldm just kick you out again? [03:10] it's interesting [03:10] it shows a cursor [03:10] hunmaat: are you using dapper? did you change the server's ip address at some stage? you might need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys [03:10] and the login screen again [03:11] highvoltage: thank you, works fine [03:11] kewl. [03:12] my problem was that it doesn't do anything at all... [03:12] * didn't :) [03:12] it's an LDM bug that will be fixed in the next ubuntu release. [03:15] it doesn't tell you what went wrong, it just kicks you back to the login screen. [03:15] yup [03:15] which isn't very user friendly :/ === Starting logfile irclogs/edubuntu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | edgy (6.10) is released ! grab it while its hot ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edgy/ | Upgraders see: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Tue Oct 31 11:41:10 2006 === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.1.245] has joined #edubuntu [06:04] ogra: i found some good news for you on visa ... let me get the link === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 [n=philipp@195.216.81.229] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === felipe__ [n=felipe@64.86.64.44] has joined #edubuntu [06:25] ogra: ping [06:27] haha, I'm Jordan Amaranth now :-) [06:27] ? [06:27] where? [06:31] Jordan Amaranth? [06:32] on RichEd's email about UDS Mt. View [06:32] heh === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEDFBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:35] looks like the poor fella has been communicating with too many people in too many channels [06:35] 8-) [06:35] hrhrh [06:36] LaserJock: did you see ogra join? [06:36] nope [06:36] grrr [06:36] cbx33: did you see Keybuk's blog post? [06:36] no.....hang on [06:37] just gonna read [06:37] pips1: he's here [06:37] pips1, sorry busy in -meeting [06:37] oh [06:37] how long will the meeting take ~ ? [06:38] LaserJock, hahaha [06:42] have people heard of the CipUX tool from Debian-edu before? [06:43] well, I have only heard about it on our ml and in the channel, if I remember correctly [06:43] some mail cross-posted from the debian-edu ml [06:43] LaserJock, its a rewrite of the webmin plugin they had before [06:43] with webmin vanishing from debian and ubuntu tehy separeated it === cbx33 is half way through a new applet for multi converting ;) [06:43] k [06:44] just drag a selection of files and it'll convrt them to what eer you want ;) [06:44] ogra: you met and talked to the developer of CipUX, didn't you? [06:44] anyone with any ideas just mail me ;) [06:44] pips1, no [06:44] oh [06:44] and i'm not really thrilled by it [06:44] is the schedule available for UDS yet? [06:44] cbx33, the schedule will be made every evening for the next day, its dynamically [06:45] oh right [06:45] ogra: since there is a decent group of education people at UDS (RichEd listed 9 people), don't you think we should add some specs to make it easier for this group to actually find time slots in the schedule? [06:46]