[12:13] <mhb> fdoving: "online" instead of the other status
[12:14] <fdoving> mhb: ok, you can connect if you select status online, but not the others, correct? 
[12:14] <fdoving> imbrandon: disconnect icq, and then try to connect directly to 'away' status. or any other status than 'online'. doesn't work, right? 
[12:15] <mhb> fdoving: not exactly. I can connect with all of them, but I get "online" status regardless of what I choose
[12:15] <imbrandon> right same here
[12:15] <fdoving> mhb: ok, get http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kopete-edgy/kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[12:15] <fdoving> and try again.
[12:17] <imbrandon> fdoving, yea that works as intended
[12:17] <fdoving> great.
[12:17] <imbrandon> with 3
[12:18] <fdoving> yes.
[12:18] <mhb> fdoving: same here like imbrandon's
[12:18] <fdoving> good.
[12:18] <fdoving> thanks for testing :)
[12:19] <mhb> you are welcome
[12:19] <imbrandon> :)
[12:21] <mhb> good night, folks... I have to get up in less than 5 hours
[12:21] <imbrandon> gnight
[12:23] <fdoving> nite mhb.
[12:23] <fdoving> have to be up in ~5 hours myself. Should go to bed, i just want to get this kopete stuff working.
[12:28] <fdoving> wow. building kdetnetwork in dapper is faster than building only kopete on edgy. (on the same machine)
[12:33] <fdoving> imbrandon: got a dapper? 
[12:33] <fdoving> +machine
[12:34] <imbrandon> not easliy to get to
[12:34] <imbrandon> atm
[12:34] <fdoving> ok, nevermind then :)
[12:34] <imbrandon> ummm  fdoving kopete is seperate in dapper too afaik
[12:35] <fdoving> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/kde/kopete
[12:35] <fdoving> there is a backport.
[12:36] <imbrandon> yea fix the edgy one and i'll just re-backport the edgy one
[12:36] <imbrandon> to dapper
[12:36] <fdoving> but kopete in main is kdenetwork.
[12:36] <fdoving> for dapper, that is.
[12:36] <imbrandon> right and the icq on that one has been broken a long while
[12:37] <fdoving> ok? might be more than this one fix needed then. I didn't investigate that.
[12:37] <imbrandon> right
[12:38] <imbrandon> i'll dig out my dapper inastall when i finish packing so i can help you on that one ( test or code both )
[12:38] <imbrandon> we'll work on a SRU for it too but i think it will be more extensive
[12:38] <imbrandon> as its an old ( 11.9 ? ) kopete
[12:38] <fdoving> then I'll just fix the edgy one, first.
[12:39] <apokryphos> imbrandon: do you know if there was any news on the kickoff build for ubuntu?
[12:39] <imbrandon> as far as the backport one we can just re-backport the edgy kopete
[12:40] <imbrandon> apokryphos, i think it was kinda side steped for a while as i think i was the only one "officialy" working on it and i got busy with edgy release bugs
[12:40] <imbrandon> but i plan to pick back up on it at or soon after MTV
[12:40] <imbrandon> we dont have a spec for it but i planed to pick all the KDE peeps at mtv about it
[12:40] <imbrandon> and see what they thought
[12:41] <apokryphos> cool; I thought Tm_T was building it though, too?
[12:41] <imbrandon> he compiled it localy for himself, but no packaging
[12:44] <nixternal> http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/140
[12:44] <nixternal> that is the funniest blog post ever ^^
[12:44] <nixternal> duncanmv of kde fame
[12:44] <nixternal> later, sKool is calling me
[12:47] <fdoving> good nite.
[12:47] <apokryphos> I see
[12:48] <fdoving> Riddell: new kopete for kubuntu.org, more icq fixes, available at: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kopete-dapper/
[12:53] <Riddell> fdoving: erk, another patch needed?
[12:53] <fdoving> Riddell: yeah, upstream changed the fix.
[12:54] <fdoving> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136566#c37
[12:54] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 136566 in general "Connecting to ICQ doesn't work anymore" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  
[12:56] <fdoving> imbrandon: well.. looks like the kopete from http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kdenetwork-dapper/ actually works with icq. (i installed it on a edgy box).
[12:57] <fdoving> I have to go sleep a little. nite.
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[02:20] <ryanakca> imbrandon: ping, I think I've figured out why album art isn't working for ipod here...
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[02:20] <RichJ> imbrandon: email me a mt. dew asap!
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[02:28] <ryanakca> imbrandon: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Media_Device:IPod#Artwork_not_working says that "GdkPixbuf has to be available (including development package)"... I just installed it, I don't think it's marked as a dependency. It also says that "libgobject-2.0 is required"... I can't find a package providing it on packages.ubuntu.com or threw apt-cache...
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[02:41] <ryanakca> imbrandon: ok, libglib2.0 provides libgobject :)
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[03:06] <imbrandon> ryanakca, yes and its not in edgy
[03:06] <imbrandon> nor will it be backported
[03:06] <imbrandon> thus i said use the old firmware on your ipod
[03:07] <_nixternal> the iPood?
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[03:07] <_nixternal> you hacking it again imbrandon ?
[03:07] <ryanakca> from... june
[03:07] <ryanakca> not the one that came out a couple of weeks ago
[03:07] <imbrandon> ryanakca, no thats the new one, the old is from january
[03:08] <ryanakca> ah, so not even 06-03-? .. kk
[03:08] <ryanakca> I'll switch to it :)
[03:08] <imbrandon> anyhow it should be fixed in feisty , but it cant be backported as too much depends on that lib that would need to be rebuilt
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[03:36] <ryanakca> imbrandon: kk
[03:36] <ryanakca> ty, bbl, bed :)
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[03:22] <Riddell> nixternal_: I'm unsure about your patch, it changes strings, and we definately can't update the translations, and the postinst seems to be wrong, there should be a better way to do it than forcing --set
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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Kubuntu Edgy rocks! | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs
=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Thu Nov  2 16:37:23 2006
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[05:55] <Riddell> Lure: can you add a description to the changelog and attach a new debdiff so I can upload?
[05:56] <Lure> Riddell: maybe in the evening - I am busy right now...
[05:56] <Riddell> Lure: sure, thanks
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[05:57] <Riddell> or even just tell me a 1 sentence description here :)
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[06:26] <nixternal_> Riddell: i don't know how else to fix the about page for a front page except for either 1) rewrite, which we can't do at this stage in the game, or 2) the redirect
[06:27] <Riddell> nixternal_: it's not the redirect I have an issue with so much as the postinst calling update-alternatives --set which will steal the value from any other value that has been set
[06:28] <nixternal_> well, don't you want to do that, so /etc/alternatives/firefox-homepage links to redirect.html instead of the index.html?
[06:29] <nixternal_> nm...because the prerm will remove the link anyways, and if it does that, the install will only create one link, which will automatically be classified as "best"
[06:37] <Riddell> nixternal_: hope so :)
[06:38] <Riddell> nixternal_: so remove that, and remove the .pot changes and should be done
[06:38] <Riddell> nixternal_: we shouldn't translate release notes in future, too much last minute changes needed
[06:39] <nixternal_> got it...well i know jjesse and i want to "rewrite" all kubuntu docs for 7.04
[06:40] <nixternal_> we also want to have a "unified" firefox homepage, which will curb issues like this on in the future as well
[06:40] <Riddell> nixternal_: unified with whom?
[06:40] <nixternal_> with the doc project
[06:41] <nixternal_> that, or we take out all fhtat "Linux" stuff from the about kubuntu and make it a simple 4 paragraph blurb about kubuntu
[06:41] <nixternal_> which ever path we go, i can guarantee it will be better than the last though
[06:41] <Riddell> much of the "Linux" stuff in the release notes is probably best got rid of anyway
[06:41] <nixternal_> documentation really hasn't been changed since Breezy..it is time for some "New"
[06:42] <Riddell> yep, sounds like you have cool plans :)
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[06:47] <nixternal_> hmm
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[07:08] <Riddell> Mez: I've not looked much at apport firstly because KDE already has a crash handler and secondly because most crashes are upstream problems so I don't want them reported to launchpad
[07:09] <Mez> Riddell... yeah, I understand that .... :D
[07:09] <Riddell> replacing the KDE crash handler would get us lynched by KDE even more than changing kioslaves has
[07:09] <Mez> Riddell, I'm sure it would ;)
[07:09] <Riddell> Mez: but I'll look at it in mountainview and ponder some more
[07:10] <Mez> Riddell: scrollback to see what we were talking about before and have a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream
[07:13] <Riddell> I'm not sure how they're released
[07:14] <Mez> how what are released?
[07:14] <Mez> Riddell- wait for my post on -devel
[07:19] <nixternal> Riddell: just to make sure i got this right...keep the fixes to release notes and desktop guide, but keep the old pot files so we don't cause a translations stir?
[07:19] <nixternal> and remove the --set
[07:20] <fdoving> bzr is nice.
[07:21] <nixternal> im getting used to it myself...im just trying to figure out "how it is better" than svn right now
[07:29] <Riddell> nixternal: yes
[07:30] <Riddell> nixternal: bzr can branch archives easier and is easier to set up and doesn't need a server
[07:30] <nixternal> yes, that is what is nice about it
[07:31] <nixternal> im going to setup a bzr branch here in my house to do ~/ backups to
[07:39] <goldenear> I think I have found a bug... could somebody confirm me that ipv6 is activated on a network interface even when it's down ?
[07:39] <goldenear> eg: on my laptop I have eth0 (ethernet) and eth1 (wifi)
[07:40] <goldenear> eth0 is down but it has an ipv6 local link address...
[07:42] <goldenear> Riddell: can you confim this ?
[07:43] <Riddell> goldenear: eth0 is down for me and doesn't appear in iwconfig
[07:43] <Riddell> err, ifconfig
[07:43] <goldenear> it doesn't appear in ifconfig ?
[07:43] <goldenear> weird...
[07:43] <Riddell> goldenear: if I activate eth0 is gets no ip6 address
[07:44] <nixternal> test building now Riddell, and i want to test to make sure the postinst works before i debdiff it
[07:46] <goldenear> Riddell: that's very strange... here eth0 (wich is not configured at all in /etc/network/interface) appears in ifconfig with an ipv6 local link address
[07:48] <goldenear> very strange...
[07:49] <goldenear> I've ifdown the interface and now it's not in ifconfig anymore ...
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[08:05] <nixternal> Riddell: w/o the --set, it doesn't work
[08:06] <nixternal> that or the prerm file isn't working
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[08:06] <Riddell> nixternal: what's in prerm?
[08:06] <nixternal> remove|deconfigure|failed-upgrade)
[08:06] <Riddell> it might need to be told more forcefully to remove it
[08:06] <nixternal>     update-alternatives --remove firefox-homepage \
[08:06] <nixternal>         /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/index.html
[08:07] <Riddell> yeah, we probably want that regardless, not conditional on it being remove
[08:07] <Riddell> nixternal: can't we just change index.html instead?
[08:07] <nixternal> well, that would require a total rewrite of the aboutkubuntu.xml file
[08:07] <fdoving> crap. my 2h powerpc build of kde4libs died 5 seconds from finish. out of space of all things :|
[08:08] <nixternal> ouch
[08:08] <Riddell> fdoving: debuild -nc is your friend
[08:08] <fdoving> if i had the buildpalce it would be..
[08:08] <nixternal> or a rewrite of the xslt file to make it save it as something other than index.html and then rename the redirect.html to index.html
[08:08] <Riddell> nixternal: isn't it a symlink at the moment?
[08:09] <fdoving> i use cowbuilder (pbuilder) without preserving the buildplace.
[08:09] <Riddell> fdoving: nasty
[08:09] <fdoving> very.
[08:09] <nixternal> index.html is a real file in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/
[08:09] <Riddell> nixternal: mm, no, it's not
[08:09] <nixternal> hehe
[08:09] <nixternal> it is a symlink in /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/
[08:10] <nixternal> that points to firefox-homepage which points to the real file
[08:10] <Riddell> nixternal: ah, so that's what we want to change then surely
[08:10] <fdoving> Riddell: seen bzr-builddeb ? - looks very nice. http://jameswestby.net/debian/ (you need python-debian too)
[08:12] <nixternal> freenode is having issues today
[08:13] <nixternal> i got up to 25s of lag just now, and i could very well be talking to myself right now
[08:13] <Riddell> fdoving: what does it do?
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[08:14] <fdoving> Riddell: it allows you to easily build debian packages from a bzr branch.
[08:15] <fdoving> Riddell: You can have a tarballs/ directory with the .orig.tar.gzs and keep the debian/ in bzr branches, and bzr-builddeb does the magic.
[08:16] <Riddell> fdoving: interesting
[08:16] <fdoving> http://jameswestby.net/bzr/bzr-builddeb/README
[08:17] <fdoving> james_w (#bzr) created it, he's very interessted in feedback.
[08:17] <fdoving> bbl. eat.
[08:18] <Riddell> nixternal, kwwii: kamion said docs and artwork input to this would be appreciated https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubiquity-slideshow
[08:21] <Riddell> nixternal: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubiquity-release-notes may also be interesting to you
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[08:55] <nixternal> cool Riddell, i will look into those specs a little more...we can get kwwii to rock out some killer artwork on them, and we can do small blurbs on each one
[08:55] <nixternal> it might be nice, if this turns out well, to implement something of the sort into the website, to help us "sell" the idea of Kubuntu better as well
[08:57] <fdoving> should probably consider some design/artwork at apt:/ too.
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[09:15] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks, I added a few questions to start off with
[09:15] <kwwii> Riddell: shouldn't the kubuntu wiki images be updated as well?
[09:18] <Riddell> kwwii: yes, the webmaster dude says he'll do that when he has time
[09:18] <Riddell> apparantly it's more difficult that it looks
[09:20] <kwwii> ok, just thought I should mention it :-)
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[09:23] <DaSkreech> allow me to make the assumption that someone is packaging Kopete 
[09:24] <DaSkreech> since it seems to be the buzz in #kopete
[09:24] <nixternal> OMG!!!
[09:24] <nixternal> Microsoft and Novell are merging...OpenSuSE and SLES/SLED to be supported by Microsoft!
[09:24] <nixternal> s/mergin/partnering
[09:25] <nixternal> http://today.reuters.com/news/articlebusiness.aspx?type=ousiv&storyID=2006-11-02T200544Z_01_WEN8954_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESSPRO-MICROSOFT-NOVELL-DC.XML&WTmodLoc=Home-C4-Business-ousiv-2&from=business
[09:25] <nixternal> nice link
[09:25] <DaSkreech> Uhhh
[09:25] <DaSkreech> why?
[09:25] <DaSkreech> A) that's not thier expertise
[09:25] <DaSkreech> b) novell HATES them
[09:25] <nixternal> well, say good bye to SuSE
[09:26] <nixternal> Novell is 90% Microsoft Services
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[09:33] <fdoving> DaSkreech: i fixed kopete. the icq fix, right? 
[09:33] <DaSkreech> si
[09:33] <DaSkreech> Flow of people asking in 3kopete
[09:33] <DaSkreech> s/3/#
[09:33] <Tm_T> Yup.
[09:33] <fdoving> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/
[09:34] <fdoving> kopete at kubuntu.org should be fixed.
[09:34] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: Did you do some poking about that tab thing in ml/b.k.o ?
[09:34] <DaSkreech> No I went out
[09:34] <Tm_T> Roger.
[09:35] <Tm_T> Anyway, tab thing in Kopete is broken in overall, I should file a pile of bugs etc but never had courage to do that.
[09:35] <Tm_T> Dunno why it's so hard.
[09:36] <Tm_T> I wish I could just fix them without filing. :p
[09:36] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: can't you?
[09:38] <Tm_T> I suck with coding, never had enough motivate (and health?) to sit down and do instead of waiting better times.
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[09:40] <DaSkreech> ah ok
[09:40] <Tm_T> But I'm planned to start force myself to do as soon as I get new apartment.
[09:41] <Tm_T> Then I'm runned out of excuses. =)
[09:43] <Tm_T> But now sleep, it's another day of struggling with this jam in my head. ->
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Night
[09:44] <DaSkreech> What chan would I jump to to talk about freenode?
[09:45] <DaSkreech>  I know they had one for Net outages and power outages etc
[09:45] <kwwii> Riddell: just added two more specs.... https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-feisty-artwork-website and https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-feisty-artwork-cd ...could you check and make sure I didn't forget something?
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[09:57] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/yay/
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[10:01] <DaSkreech> That's Hawt :)
[10:02] <nixternal> hehe
[10:02] <Kryczek> yeah :)
[10:02] <nixternal> hahaha
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[10:03] <danimo> Riddell: why are the kde4 packages not signed?
[10:09] <Riddell> danimo: too lazy?
[10:12] <danimo> Riddell: oki :)
[10:12] <danimo> Riddell: I thought that was automatic anyway
[10:13] <Kryczek> http://static.flickr.com/96/281193199_519775b141.jpg?v=0
[10:13] <Kryczek> is it April 1st already?
[10:14] <Kryczek> Slashdot has a post about Microsoft setting up a partnership with Linux
[10:14] <Kryczek> somebody pinch me, I must be dreaming
[10:14] <DaSkreech> Yeah The Novell thing?
[10:15] <Kryczek> yeah, with Novell
[10:20] <apokryphos> heh
[10:23] <danimo> http://www.microsoft.com/events/executives/webcasts.mspx
[10:23] <danimo> starting in about 30 mins
[10:23] <apokryphos> heh
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[10:54] <oslo> evening Riddell
[10:57] <Mez> Is there a discussion why superkaramba wasnt included in edgy by default?
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[11:37] <nixternal> Riddell: in reference to bug 69814 - which concerns the links on documentation.php page on kubuntu.org
[11:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69814 in ubuntu-doc "doc.ubuntu.com website out of date." [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69814
[11:37] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/kwww-doc.diff      <-- here is the fix if you are interested...actually more than a fix, but an updated page all together
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