[12:12] <Hawkwind> Stop pasting to the channel and use pastebin
[12:12] <CVirus> danny500: why are you freaking pasting here !!
[12:12] <CVirus> danny500: what is your graphics card ?
[12:12] <Hawkwind> !pastebin | danny500
[12:12] <ubotu> danny500: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:12] <danny500> sorry
[12:13] <danny500> I didn't crash anybody did I?
[12:13] <CVirus> its okay
[12:13] <CVirus> danny500: I'll brb in 2 minutes
[12:13] <danny500> ok
[12:13] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: what videocard do you have
[12:13] <danny500> NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] 
[12:14] <Hawkwind> You need 3d drivers to play cube
[12:14] <danny500> NVidia Vanta
[12:14] <danny500> were do I get those?
[12:14] <Hawkwind> !nvidia | danny500
[12:14] <ubotu> danny500: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:14] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: i guess you'r useing framebuffer now
[12:14] <danny500> ?
[12:15] <sveur> help! I need help to edit my fstab to access a disk
[12:15] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: that also explains why you think linux is slow
[12:15] <danny500> o so instead of using the graphics card to full potential it's buffering the graphics into the cpu?
[12:16] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: no, frambuffer is a technology that works even with old 2meg cards
[12:16] <danny500> I have an 8MB graphics card
[12:17] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: and is used if linux can't figure out your videocard, as happens with nvidia and ati cards
[12:17] <morphish> or old as dirt 8MB cards....
[12:17] <danny500> It work great on windows lol
[12:17] <CVirus> danny500: and it woll work great on Linux when you install the drivers
[12:18] <danny500> I've had it running up to 60MB before
[12:18] <[cf] nightrid3r> hmm opengl on an 8mb card :)
[12:18] <CVirus> danny500: virues work greatly on windows too
[12:18] <CVirus> viruses*
[12:18] <danny500> thats why they have viruse programs
[12:18] <sveur> [cf] nightrid3r: help! I need help to edit my fstab to access a disk
[12:18] <[cf] nightrid3r> sveur: you can do that as root
[12:18] <danny500> with a viruse program there is no need to worry
[12:19] <sveur> i dont know what to write
[12:19] <CVirus> danny500: really ? why did blaster hit all the people with anti-virus programs too ?
[12:19] <[cf] nightrid3r> sveur: open the file and look, things will explain themself
[12:20] <[cf] nightrid3r> sveur: or try man fstab
[12:20] <CVirus> danny500: blaster hit me when I had the latest Norton Anti Virus with the latest updates
[12:20] <sveur> yes, i'm root
[12:20] <mhz> anyone using openkiosk?
[12:20] <danny500> what?
[12:20] <danny500> Norton sucks
[12:20] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: so does windows
[12:20] <danny500> AVG is one of the best
[12:20] <CVirus> danny500: this isnt the correct place to start such a discussion
[12:21] <danny500> I never had any probs with viruses
[12:21] <danny500> ok
[12:21] <CVirus> I'll go get some sleep
[12:22] <danny500> ok
[12:22] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: linux isn't that difficult, i know at least 2 authistic's that use it
[12:22] <[cf] nightrid3r> <-- one of them
[12:22] <icheyne> hi all - I've got a problem with resolving hostnames after my edgy upgrade
[12:22] <icheyne> my other machine on my local network can connect to google.com
[12:23] <icheyne> but my upgraded machine cannot
[12:23] <icheyne> any ideas?
[12:23] <sveur> [cf] nightrid3r: how can i find the UUID?
[12:23] <danny500> It's quet funny cause you make fun of windows but atleast windows doesn't need a help line like this because there aren't as many probs
[12:23] <icheyne> danny500: there are irc chatrooms for windows help
[12:24] <danny500> Yeah but noone I know of has ever had a prob with winows
[12:24] <danny500> ever
[12:24] <morghanphoenix> I don't suppose there's any way to play quicktime content in linux?
[12:24] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: the problem is that there is no linux as is, every distro is different so its a litlebit harder to install software or make a universal installer
[12:25] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: and it takes some time before games are available in the distro's repo for instalation
[12:25] <danny500> ok
[12:26] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: on the other hand, useing linux will teach you allot about computers and stuff
[12:26] <danny500> and thats why only 1 % of the computer world is made out of Linux distro's
[12:26] <danny500> facts hurt eh
[12:26] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: right, most people don't want to lear
[12:27] <notech> run games on the OS they were designed for or get a game console
[12:27] <andre_> oi
[12:27] <[cf] nightrid3r> learn*+
[12:27] <danny500> they shouldn't have to
[12:27] <notech> 1%, heh. thats a joke
[12:27] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: oh, so you never learned how to read and write
[12:27] <andre_> my max screen resolution is 800x600@60 HZ
[12:28] <apokryphos> andre_: check the FAQ
[12:28] <mhz> anyone using openkiosk?
[12:28] <andre_> where?
[12:28] <morghanphoenix> anyone know if there's a way to play quicktime?
[12:28] <danny500> a computer is something that you should be able to just hope on and chat with their buddies or find info on the web or play games or what ever, not take 6 months to learn how to use the damn thing!
[12:28] <danny500> ok
[12:29] <ExodusC> Can anyone help me for a sec?
[12:29] <morghanphoenix> It should be both danny
[12:29] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: nice dream :)
[12:29] <danny500> why does computing have to be so hard?
[12:29] <danny500> computing should be a fun thing
[12:29] <apokryphos> it is :D
[12:29] <notech> its not,you just don't want to put in any effort
[12:29] <andre_> this is an BIOS error
[12:29] <danny500> not a "throw my computer out the window" thing
[12:29] <yuma> danny500: what are you trying to convince us?
[12:29] <andre_> Bicho Ignorante Operando o Sistema
[12:29] <morghanphoenix> I think windows is much more difficult personally.
[12:30] <ExodusC> I mounted my other HDD with Windows on it to mnt/win -- I just made the folder.... I don't know how to unlock it, or get the permissions changed to allow Konquerer to access it
[12:30] <yuma> andre_: hehehe
[12:30] <sveur> [cf] nightrid3r: how can i find the UUID?
[12:30] <danny500> why, clicking next to hard for you?
[12:30] <[cf] nightrid3r> sveur: i have no idea :(
[12:30] <andre_> you umperstanded...
[12:30] <notech> danny500: even your trolling shows no effort since you don't even have correct facts
[12:30] <morghanphoenix> Ever tried to actually set up windows?
[12:30] <ExodusC> =/
[12:31] <danny500> yeah, it took me 10 minutes
[12:31] <sveur> [cf] nightrid3r: can i get root access in konqueror?
[12:31] <[cf] nightrid3r> sveur: nope
[12:31] <apokryphos> sveur: you should generally avoid it, but if you need to: kdesu konqueror
[12:31] <morghanphoenix> Really? Using the cd that came with your computer?
[12:31] <Lam_> where can i get konqueror plugins
[12:31] <danny500> yeah
[12:31] <morghanphoenix> That's not a reall windows install
[12:31] <angasule> !opengl
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:31] <notech> lol, 10 minutes is a joke too. no windows installs in 10 minutes
[12:31] <apokryphos> Lam_: like....
[12:31] <angasule> !mesa
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mesa - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:32] <apokryphos> angasule: investigate in /msg
[12:32] <ExodusC> [cf] nightrid3r: Any idea how to unlock a folder and give my user account permission so I can view this mounted HDD in Konquerer?
[12:32] <[cf] nightrid3r> notech: yes, windows 2.0 does :)
[12:32] <angasule> apokryphos: sorry, didn't know it worked
[12:32] <danny500> Times had to install windows=1, time had to install Ubuntu=14 and counting
[12:32] <dragonflyseven> I have installed unrar-free, but I still cant unzip .rars. Any idea why?
[12:32] <morghanphoenix> The CDs that come with your computer are allready set up for your computer, simplified for the masses.
[12:32] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: what's the error?
[12:32] <apokryphos> you may need unrar-nonfree
[12:32] <[cf] nightrid3r> ExodusC: chmod 777 /mnt/point if you are the only one useing the computer
[12:33] <apokryphos> [cf] nightrid3r: huh? That'd be a really bad way of going about it
[12:33] <[cf] nightrid3r> apokryphos: i know :(
[12:33] <notech> danny500: well, you'll keep installing until you decide that putting a bit of effort is worth it. enjoy
[12:33] <apokryphos> mount point permissions should be set using mount or fstab
[12:33] <yuma> [cf] nightrid3r: isn't better to add an entry in fstab with users as option?
[12:33] <[cf] nightrid3r> yuma: thats what i told him before
[12:33] <dragonflyseven> It says that "The utility unrar is not in your PATH."
[12:34] <angasule> ugh, the opengl manpages aren't available as a package? what's with that?
[12:34] <danny500> I have waisted 64 hours in the last two weeks on my Ubuntu, what do you mean effort?
[12:34] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: can you paste the output of dpkg -L unrar-free?
[12:34] <apokryphos> danny500: what's the problem?
[12:34] <Dink> i had to install both unrar-free and unrar for it to work
[12:34] <danny500> EVERYTHING!
[12:34] <yuma> danny500: you're wasting about 1~2 hours now...
[12:34] <apokryphos> danny500: very descriptive
[12:34] <notech> danny500: cuz there is no need to reinstall. learn to fix whatever issues you have...oh, that's right, you won't
[12:35] <danny500> exactly
[12:35] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: if you expect to learn everything about linux in 2 weeks you have a big problem
[12:35] <danny500> because noone knows how to install this #$%^#% game.
[12:35] <dragonflyseven> apokryphos: Do I need to pastebin it, or can I do it here? It is like 12 lines.
[12:35] <danny500> I've been using Ubuntu for a year now
[12:35] <apokryphos> danny500: Linux isn't really the ideal environment for gaming (unfortunately)
[12:35] <morghanphoenix> What game, I logged on after this started.
[12:35] <ExodusC> [cf] nightrid3r: Says it is a Read Only Filesystem
[12:35] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: pastebin please
[12:35] <apokryphos> (always)
[12:35] <Dink> dragonflyseven, install both unrar and unrar-free
[12:35] <morghanphoenix> Try Vendetta Online
[12:35] <notech> danny500: a game? rofl, you reinstall the OS cuz of a game? heh, thats funny
[12:35] <morghanphoenix> Great Game.
[12:35] <danny500> no
[12:36] <morghanphoenix> Wjat game was it?
[12:36] <[cf] nightrid3r> danny500: this is a general kubuntu channel, just try to ask microsoft for help with and adobe program
[12:36] <andre_> konqueror is a few slow...
[12:36] <danny500> Cube
[12:36] <ExodusC> [cf] nightrid3r: I can access it as root, but I want to move alot of stuff over to this Linux install, and I'd like to be able to use Konqueror
[12:36] <morghanphoenix> Cube comes in a binary, unpack and click.
[12:36] <yuma> what's the problem with it? I could play it in the past without so much trouble
[12:36] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: nevermind, I did it on packages.ubuntu.com
[12:36] <danny500> were do I get the Binary?
[12:36] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: the command you have to use is unrar-free
[12:37] <dragonflyseven> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29804/
[12:37] <yuma> danny500: go to the homepage of the project
[12:37] <morghanphoenix> You have to check your deps too
[12:37] <[cf] nightrid3r> ExodusC: if the stuff is already on the disk tou can just copy it to your linux install
[12:37] <dragonflyseven> The command? I am using Ark. Do I have to change some setting?
[12:37] <morghanphoenix> if you're missing stuff it needs it won't run.
[12:38] <andre_> sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[12:38] <ExodusC> [cf] nightrid3r: This is on another HDD, and it is just giving me "Folder Locked" and that user doesn't have permission to access
[12:38] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: try making a symlink to unrar then
[12:38] <andre_> monitorrange: 30-54, 50-120
[12:38] <yuma> dragonflyseven: have you something in /usr/bin/unrar, because you can make a link
[12:38] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: ln -s /usr/bin/unrar-free /usr/bin/unrar
[12:38] <morghanphoenix> I like the vo installer, shell script that checks all your deps, gets everything and installs it with one click.
[12:38] <Lam_> wow katapult is freakin' sweet
[12:39] <apokryphos> it's nice, yeah :)
[12:39] <ExodusC> [cf] nightrid3r: Should I have to execute the chmod with -R?
[12:39] <[cf] nightrid3r> ExodusC: you must add the users option to the dev line in etc/fstab then do mount -o /dev/harddiskpartition remount
[12:39] <dragonflyseven> I don't have a /usr/bin/unrar.
[12:40] <Lam_> apokryphos: i was just wondering if there was a general site i could go to for konqueror plugins.  i want to see what is available before i dedicate myself to a firefox switch
[12:40] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: ln -s /usr/bin/unrar-free /usr/bin/unrar
[12:40] <yuma> dragonflyseven: read what apokryphos told you
[12:40] <apokryphos> Lam_: I really don't think there are many; have you checked konqueror.org?
[12:40] <[cf] nightrid3r> ExodusC: or chown the mount point (might break things)
[12:40] <arriesp> ola
[12:40] <dragonflyseven> I am sorry, I am lost. Do I copy "-s /usr/bin/unrar-free /usr/bin/unrar"
[12:41] <steveire> Does gnome have an equivalent to kparts? I think parts are a great idea.
[12:41] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: in a terminal (alt+f2 -> konsole) type sudo ln -s /usr/bin/unrar-free /usr/bin/unrar
[12:41] <morghanphoenix> So nobody knows if I can get quicktime to play, doesn't seem like it but I wanted to check anyways.
[12:41] <yuma> morghanphoenix: are you sure you can't?
[12:41] <danny500> I think theres an VLC codec for realtime
[12:41] <[cf] nightrid3r> morghanphoenix: apple might be able to tell you
[12:41] <danny500> try that
[12:42] <apokryphos> morghanphoenix: have you checked the FAQ?
[12:42] <Lam_> apokryphos: i'll give that a shot. thanks
[12:42] <dragonflyseven> Oh, I thought that was in, not ln. Thank you. It is working now! Thank you apokryphos!
[12:42] <apokryphos> cool :)
[12:42] <morghanphoenix> Can't find any, everything I find says apple hasn't released one, was looking for an unofficial alternative. Not the first time I
[12:42] <yuma> well, anyone knows if there's something broken in the last upgrade that makes unable to fullscreen a window in OpenGL?
[12:42] <morghanphoenix> I've heard VLC
[12:42] <apokryphos> dragonflyseven: just installing unrar-nonfree instead of unrar-free would've been a fix too, but good to try to use free formats :)
[12:43] <apokryphos> morghanphoenix: look at the FAQ
[12:43] <morghanphoenix> Need to look that one up.
[12:43] <yuma> morghanphoenix: the win32 codecs doesn't have any soluton to that?
[12:43] <danny500> yeah, it can play almost any media file type
[12:43] <danny500> no
[12:43] <danny500> the win32 is for wma and wmv and stuff like that
[12:43] <morghanphoenix> I think it does rm too
[12:43] <danny500> realtime is an apple product
[12:44] <morghanphoenix> But not quicktime.
[12:44] <morghanphoenix> I'm going to check vlc now
[12:44] <apokryphos> !faq
[12:44] <ubotu> faq is http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions Official documentation is at http://help.ubuntu.com IRC FAQ: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage
[12:45] <danny500> I have VLC, it works great but It's a little jumpy if you have an old cpu
[12:45] <yuma> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/codecs-status.html
[12:45] <apokryphos> And w32codecs does include Quicktime plugins
[12:45] <danny500> yeah mplayer might work to
[12:45] <yuma> quicktime is supported by the mplayer binary codecs packages
[12:45] <morghanphoenix> I have an athlon, seems to handle everything I've given it so far just fine, including 3d games.
[12:45] <yuma> danny500: that's the win32 codecs packages, no?
[12:45] <[cf] nightrid3r> libquicktime is in the repo's :)
[12:45] <danny500> for what?
[12:46] <danny500> have you tried xine player?
[12:46] <danny500> or xfmedia
[12:46] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, I'm using xine and mplayer at the moment, and libquicktime is not in my repos.
[12:47] <apokryphos> !info libquicktime
[12:47] <ubotu> Package libquicktime does not exist in any distro I know
[12:47] <danny500> try KMplayer
[12:47] <apokryphos> morghanphoenix: is it really that hard to check the FAQ though? :)
[12:47] <morghanphoenix> I get no hits on a search for quicktime, and maybe I wasn't looking in the right place, but I didn't find it in the faq.
[12:48] <morghanphoenix> only reference I found was under restricted formats.
[12:48] <apokryphos> morghanphoenix: ctrl+f -> quicktime
[12:48] <yuma> MP3/Divx/DVDs/Quicktime/Realmedia/Flash/Java
[12:48] <apokryphos> yes.....! Mention of Quicktime
[12:49] <[cf] nightrid3r> morghanphoenix: libquicktime4linux
[12:49] <danny500> how do you do that? (* apokryphos notices something)
[12:49] <apokryphos> [cf] nightrid3r: the package in the repo has an annoying 0 at the end :P
[12:49] <apokryphos> !info libquicktime0
[12:49] <ubotu> libquicktime0: library for reading and writing Quicktime files. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.9.7-0.6ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 245 kB, installed size 728 kB
[12:49] <Hawkwind> danny500: /me Your word(s)
[12:49] <apokryphos> though w32codecs package is probably going to be better
[12:50] <[cf] nightrid3r> apokryphos: yeah i know :(
[12:50] <danny500> *danny500 going out
[12:50] <danny500> didn't work oh well nvm
[12:50] <Hawkwind> danny500: /me Going out  You have to use /me
[12:50] <andre_> help
[12:50] <danny500> huh?
[12:50] <andre_> when I click in Monitor and video icon in systemsettings as root
[12:50] <Hawkwind> /me Going out
[12:51] <andre_> it says what this module is broken
[12:51] <danny500> oh
[12:51] <morghanphoenix> Hmm, as I said before, followed the restricted formats thing and it doesn't work.
[12:51] <danny500> I see
[12:51] <yuma> morghanphoenix: I always use the essential codecs from the mplayer homepage
[12:51] <andre_> this work as normal user
[12:51] <apokryphos> morghanphoenix: w32codecs is installed?
[12:51] <andre_> but is does not apply the changes
[12:51] <morghanphoenix> yes, and functioning for wmv & wma.
[12:51] <andre_> and when i find monitor at kcontrol
[12:52] <apokryphos> morghanphoenix: what player are you using?
[12:52] <andre_> it backs for start page
[12:52] <yuma> morghanphoenix: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html
[12:52] <morghanphoenix> mplayer, switched from kaffeine after it wasn't working for that one.
[12:52] <morghanphoenix> already there yuma, thanks
[12:52] <apokryphos> morghanphoenix: try kaffeine again
[12:52] <danny500> is there an apple version of wine?
[12:52] <andre_> some1 know why this happens?
[12:53] <andre_> CroosOverMac
[12:53] <yuma> morghanphoenix: I think that's nothing to do with mplayer, I got the impression you can use the mplayer codecs with every player
[12:53] <danny500> o ok
[12:53] <andre_> but is paid
[12:53] <yuma> hmmm, I don't know...
[12:53] <danny500> o, go figure
[12:53] <apokryphos> yuma: pretty much, yes.
[12:54] <yuma> so that's it, try to put the codecs in a /usr/lib/win32 or somewhere near that directory
[12:54] <apokryphos> there shouldn't be a need for that, really
[12:54] <apokryphos> w32codecs from the 3rd party repo should have all the necessary things
[12:55] <jeroenvrp> hey why can't I format a partition with systemsettings (edgy)?
[12:55] <yuma> apokryphos: I can't tell, because I think I don't use those... I think it's a kind of mania I got in the past
[12:55] <danny500> for QT info go to http://lists.apple.com/archives/Streaming-server-dev/2005/Feb/msg00013.html
[12:55] <kaflan> hi, what i shoud to do, to get Language applet in KDE?
[12:55] <flaccid> !ghostscript
[12:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ghostscript - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:55] <flaccid> !gs
[12:55] <ubotu> gs: Transitional package. In component main, is optional. Version 8.50-1.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 14 kB, installed size 48 kB
[12:55] <danny500> kaflan: go to Adept and look up the language you want to use
[12:56] <andre_> apt-get install kde-i18n-YOURLANGUAGE
[12:56] <danny500> then install it
[12:56] <kaflan> hmm
[12:56] <danny500> or you can do that
[12:56] <kaflan> i dont want to change language in kde
[12:56] <kaflan> i want only keyboard switcher layout
[12:56] <danny500> then what do you want then?
[12:56] <danny500> o ok
[12:56] <yuma> well, good night/evening/morning everyone, I'm off to my bed.
[12:56] <danny500> why, what type of keyboard you have?
[12:57] <jeroenvrp> how to format a partition?!
[12:57] <danny500> american english
[12:57] <jeroenvrp> with a gui?
[12:57] <kaflan> i have english, but i need to use russian
[12:57] <kaflan> and keep english too
[12:57] <danny500> so you have an english keyboard but want it to type out in russian
[12:57] <kaflan> and in english too
[12:58] <danny500> I would suggest you just use an online translator
[12:58] <jeroenvrp> shadowraven: ping
[12:58] <kaflan> i have english / russian keyboard
[12:58] <[cf] nightrid3r> kaflan: install support for russion and then you can swith in the control panel
[12:58] <danny500> oh it does both
[12:58] <kaflan> y
[12:58] <danny500> nm
[12:59] <kaflan> [cf] nightrid3r: i did not need whole russian support, i need only keyborad switching
[12:59] <kaflan> applet
[12:59] <danny500> yeah, do what [cf] nightrid3r said
[12:59] <kaflan> i can switch keyboard now, but i need only indicator
[12:59] <danny500> it comes with a shot cut key to
[01:00] <bubu1uk> kaflan: u can set it up in control panel
[01:00] <cpk1> how do you get the change log of apps with apt?
[01:00] <[cf] nightrid3r> kaflan: kkbswitch
[01:00] <kaflan> bubu1uk: layout indicator?
[01:00] <danny500> don't you see a little flag on your application bar?
[01:00] <kaflan> couse not
[01:00] <kaflan> i`m not so nooby ;)
[01:00] <danny500> ok
[01:00] <danny500> haha
[01:01] <kaflan> :P
[01:01] <danny500> :p
[01:01] <[cf] nightrid3r> kaflan: kkbswitch will let you switch keyboard settings
[01:01] <bubu1uk> kaflan: yeah, that little flag in systray. u can setup it  in control center
[01:01] <kaflan> where in control panel it is?
[01:01] <danny500> the flag will show which language your currentl using, thats why I asked
[01:02] <bubu1uk> Regional and language
[01:02] <danny500> is KDE setup like ubuntu?
[01:02] <kaflan> thx a lot
[01:02] <bubu1uk> kaflan: and than choose keyboard layout
[01:02] <[cf] nightrid3r> kaflan: or try xxkb
[01:04] <morghanphoenix> Hmm, it's installed, and I have the firefox and moxilla plug-ins set up in my preferances, still nothing but a greay screen in the quicktime window.
[01:05] <mhz> anyone using openkiosk or any .deb kind solution?
[01:05] <Emess> whenever i login, i get windows coming up from a previous session, but i closed those windows weeks ago and everytime i login theyr back,  especiall konqueror and konsole ones, any ideas?
[01:05] <[cf] nightrid3r> morghanphoenix: create a link from the ff plugins dir to the codec
[01:07] <word> Anyone have any experience with audacity and segmentation faults?
[01:07] <[cf] nightrid3r> Emess: in system settings -- advances -- session manager you can change this
[01:09] <morghanphoenix> Okay, how do I create a link when I don't have permissions for /usr?
[01:09] <Emess> no, i want it to savemy sessions, but not reopen windows that were closed before i logged out
[01:09] <[cf] nightrid3r> morghanphoenix: sudo
[01:09] <Emess> its remembering stuff that shouldnt be there
[01:14] <dragonflyseven> Every once in a while my sound gets all skippy and crackly. This really irritates me. I have given up on fixing it, but I noticed that when I restart the XServer, it gets better. I presume that this is because it also restarts the sound driver or whatever, so my question is this; is there a way to restart the sound server/driver without restarting the X?
[01:15] <icheyne> has anyone tried automatix2 or easyubuntu with Edgy - which one is better?
[01:15] <icheyne> I had trouble with easyubuntu last time, so I'm nervous this time around...
[01:15] <apokryphos> !automatix
[01:15] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[01:16] <icheyne> !easyubuntu
[01:16] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ (currently down!); for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[01:16] <sveur> How can i edit a textfile in konsole?
[01:16] <LjL> sveur: nano filename
[01:16] <apokryphos> sveur: with a text-line editor; nano or vim (more advanced usage)
[01:16] <icheyne> !automatix2
[01:16] <[cf] nightrid3r> sveur: nano
[01:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automatix2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:16] <icheyne> ok thanks
[01:16] <icheyne> I'll stick to manual approach
[01:16] <icheyne> last time I got burned
[01:16] <apokryphos> !automatix2 is <alias> automatix
[01:16] <ubotu> I'll remember that, apokryphos
[01:16] <LjL> good idea icheyne
[01:17] <icheyne> :(
[01:17] <icheyne> ok thanks guys
[01:17] <icheyne> cya later
[01:17] <apokryphos> icheyne: the FAQ is very helpful
[01:17] <icheyne> apokryphos: thanks I'll check it out :)
[01:22] <Emess> mmm windows came back even after i closed tehm again
[01:25] <captainbraille> my wife told Konqueror not to save passwords, how do I undo and fix that?
[01:26] <apokryphos> captainbraille: fire up the wallet manager: kwalletmanager
[01:27] <apokryphos> captainbraille: presuming you're using kwallet
[01:27] <captainbraille> apokryphos, yup using kwallet, okay the KDE Wallet Manager window is up
[01:27] <apokryphos> and edit the configuration in there
[01:28] <faked_> Hey, when I try to open specific applications(like limewire, certain songs[not all, just some O.o] , etc) my computer locks up and I have to restart. Anyone know what gives?
[01:29] <manchicken> Where's the default Xmodmap?
[01:29] <apokryphos> faked_: bad java version?
[01:29] <apokryphos> manchicken: the command or file?
[01:29] <manchicken> file
[01:30] <apokryphos> manchicken: if there's not one in your home, create one: ~/.Xmodmap
[01:30] <apokryphos> it'll be detected on X startup
[01:30] <manchicken> apokryphos: So where's it mapping my Alt_R to something funky?
[01:30] <apokryphos> probably not got anything to do with xmodmap; probably kde
[01:31] <faked_> I dunno, how would I figure it out? or fix it?
[01:31] <manchicken> Nope.  It's at the xev level.
[01:31] <captainbraille> apokryphos I don't think I'm finding it
[01:31] <apokryphos> manchicken: how do you know?
[01:31] <apokryphos> faked_: dpkg -l|grep sun gives?
[01:31] <faked_> 'cause like, some songs open, whatever player I use, but other songs my computer freezes. same thing with video and applications, some work, some don't
[01:31] <apokryphos> if it's more than a few lines please pastebin
[01:31] <faked_> okay one sec
[01:31] <apokryphos> manchicken: how do you know?
[01:31] <manchicken> apokryphos: Because I did xev.
[01:31] <apokryphos> so?
[01:32] <apokryphos> that doesn't tell you that kde isn't interfering
[01:32] <faked_> pastebin?
[01:32] <manchicken> KDE doesn't change what the key code is mapped to IIRC.
[01:32] <apokryphos> !pastebin
[01:32] <Dink> !pastebin
[01:32] <manchicken> The key code isn't mapped to Alt_R
[01:32] <apokryphos> manchicken: what funky things is it doing?
[01:32] <manchicken> It's getting mapped to ISO_Level3_Shift
[01:32] <faked_> !pastebin
[01:33] <faked_> well the bot isn't telling me what pastebin is, so anyone care to explain? >_>
[01:33] <apokryphos> manchicken: try to override it in your ~/.xmodmap
[01:33] <apokryphos> !test
[01:33] <apokryphos> ubotu: wake up
[01:33] <apokryphos> dang, the bot has died
[01:33] <apokryphos> faked_: www.paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[01:34] <faked_> Firefox can't find the server at www.paste.ubuntu-nl.org.
[01:34] <cpk1> !paste
[01:34] <cpk1> he is still dead...
[01:34] <apokryphos> cpk1: server that he's on must've crashed
[01:35] <cpk1> pastebin.ca
[01:35] <apokryphos> !test
[01:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:36] <faked_> well there he is >_>
[01:36] <apokryphos> cool
[01:36] <ubotu> Failed.
[01:36] <faked_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29811/
[01:36] <apokryphos> odd, looks fine
[01:37] <apokryphos> try using frostwire instead
[01:37] <apokryphos> !frostwire
[01:37] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[01:37] <faked_> that's what i use
[01:37] <faked_> what, did i say limewire by mistake?
[01:37] <faked_> >_>
[01:37] <apokryphos> hm, I really don't know I'm afraid
[01:37] <apokryphos> you could see if anyone in #ubuntu has had the same problem
[01:37] <faked_> i'll check it out
[01:37] <faked_> thanks for tryin
[01:37] <cpk1> faked_: is it mp3 or flac or what?
[01:38] <faked_> mp3s
[01:38] <cpk1> that makes you lock up
[01:38] <faked_> i dunno what video format
[01:38] <cpk1> and you are sure you completely lock? you cant even get a tty?
[01:38] <faked_> complete lock
[01:38] <faked_> wait no.. not mp3s..
[01:38] <faked_> the files that are locking are .wavs
[01:39] <cpk1> do the same .wavs make you lock up no matter what player you use?
[01:39] <faked_> Yeah
[01:39] <captainbraille> my wife told Konqueror not to save passwords, how do I undo and fix that?
[01:39] <faked_> and also, when I open specific movies, it freezes
[01:39] <cpk1> so maybe they are bad .wavs?
[01:40] <cpk1> and bad movies?
[01:40] <faked_> so bad that they would lock the computer up?
[01:40] <faked_> I didn't know that could happen >_>
[01:40] <cpk1> well have they worked with anything else?
[01:40] <manchicken> Ah ha!  It's xkb!
[01:40] <faked_> and that still doesn't explain why frostwire suddenly started failing
[01:40] <cpk1> it is kind of odd that they lock you up though
[01:40] <faked_> well this computer's always had a bit of a niche for special cases >_>
[01:42] <sync350> quick question: on openoffice word processor... i have a header with a name and page number field on every page, but i need to remove it from the first page.  How can I remove it without effecting the other headers?
[01:43] <faked_> sync: I'm not sure, but i think if you just make the header on the 2nd page, it'll affect all the pages beyond that but not the first page
[01:43] <cpk1> sync350: good question, my incredibly anal professor just complained to me about having my header span all my pagers on my paper instead of just having it on the first one...
[01:43] <sync350> faked_: aighty, thanks, ill try that
[01:43] <cpk1> she also didnt like the fact that the header wasnt an inch from the top...
[01:46] <mhz> anyone using openkiosk or any .deb kind solution?
[01:48] <sync350> hmm.... faked_: that didn't seem to work :(
[01:52] <sync350> YES! i figured it out!
[01:55] <sync350> cpk1: for refrence... right click the page, then click page... check the boxes for headers on and same for left/right (so that both are checked) ... then go to format -> styles and formatting, and click the icon for page styles.  double click First Page, and the header on the first page should go away.,  i know your problem was the opposate (wanting the header only on first page) but if you play around with that, you may find it
[01:56] <cpk1> sync350: alright thanks
[01:57] <sync350> no prob :)
[02:16] <ryanakca> what package provides libgobject-2.0?
[02:23] <astronaute> hello all
[02:24] <leandir> hi everybody
[02:24] <willreed03> what is a good easy to use graphical FTP server?
[02:24] <leandir> is it normal that last.fm on Amarok actually DEVORES cpu speed?
[02:24] <leandir> filezilla
[02:25] <leandir> willreed03: filezilla
[02:25] <willreed03> ok
[02:25] <willreed03> thanks
[02:25] <redtricycle> I don't think that's normal, leandir..I'm using it
[02:25] <redtricycle> devour, 70%+?
[02:25] <leandir> about 100%...of 1,8 Ghz
[02:25] <astronaute> someone can help me compile frozen-bubble 2.0 on amd64 please ?
[02:25] <leandir> every time I try to use last.fm my laptop goes nuts
[02:25] <astronaute> http://pastebin.ca/233603
[02:26] <astronaute> think i have glib2.0 error
[02:27] <mhz> anyone using openkiosk or any .deb kind solution?
[02:27] <leandir> mhz: for what?
[02:28] <mhz> leandir: internet cafe server and client
[02:28] <seishinbyou> Yes!  Wine now working under Kubuntu edgy!
[02:28] <seishinbyou> sort of
[02:29] <mhz> leandir: I have tried unsuccesfully to compil any of them
[02:29] <leandir> mhz: I do NOT know how to compile ;-)
[02:29] <mhz> leandir: are you using openkiosk?
[02:29] <leandir> mhz: no
[02:30] <Emess> mmm, suddenly my windows partition cant be read, any ideas? konqueror says "Could not enter folder /media/sda1"
[02:30] <redtricycle> What did you try so far?
[02:30] <leandir> once it happened because somewhere I had redefined the win partition
[02:31] <seishinbyou> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda# /media/sda1 (where # is the # of your Win part)
[02:31] <leandir> ah wait Emess
[02:31] <seishinbyou> or something like that
[02:31] <leandir> did you close windows properly?
[02:31] <Emess> i havent used windows in months, not since i got photoshop to rn in wine
[02:31] <leandir> 'cause you will not be able to mount it if you had closed it umproperly
[02:32] <Emess> it jsut stopped, i also noticed that ksessionmanager wa crashing whenn im in  and xgl session
[02:32] <willreed03> filezilla is for windows
[02:32] <leandir> not only
[02:32] <leandir> and in any case
[02:32] <leandir> wine functions pretty well
[02:32] <leandir> (the beta 3 is for linux too :) )
[02:32] <willreed03> alright
[02:32] <astronaute> please guys, is it possible to install frozen-bubble 2.0 on kubuntu edgy 64 ????
[02:32] <leandir> no idea for amarok?
[02:32] <willreed03> dammit i have to go work
[02:32] <willreed03> sigh
[02:32] <seishinbyou> There is gftp too for graphical ftp...but it is a bit meh, I guess
[02:33] <leandir> astronaute: I do not even know what it is
[02:33] <leandir> sorry
[02:33] <willreed03> gftp huh
[02:33] <astronaute> leandir:  the game
[02:33] <willreed03> ill give that a try as well
[02:33] <astronaute> small game with multi support
[02:33] <astronaute> http://pastebin.ca/233603
[02:33] <leandir> there is version 1 in the repos
[02:33] <astronaute> http://i.iinfo.cz/r/photos/games/frozen_bubble/2.png
[02:34] <leandir> btw, no one knows what to check for amarok/last.fm?
[02:34] <astronaute> leandir:  i know, i need 2.0 for multiplayer, to play with my gf in local network
[02:34] <astronaute> =))
[02:34] <leandir> it really annoys me at the very least
[02:34] <astronaute> i have source
[02:34] <astronaute> but it refuses to compile
[02:34] <leandir> no idea sorry
[02:34] <astronaute> dunno why
[02:34] <astronaute> can you look at pastebin please ?
[02:34] <astronaute> http://pastebin.ca/233603
[02:34] <leandir> I do NOT know how to compile
[02:34] <Emess> leandir: i only need it to access some files in amarok
[02:35] <Emess> iv also had a problem with session manager crashing and kaffeine refuses to open, any ideas?
[02:35] <leandir> Emess: what do you mean? I need last.fm as a radio...
[02:35] <Emess> like for kaffeine, the icon bounces and then disappears after a bit without it opening, and kaffeine --verbose does nothing
[02:35] <astronaute> damn kubuntio, there is always some problem to install softs
[02:35] <leandir> kaffeine works
[02:35] <astronaute> on 64
[02:36] <Emess> leandir: oh, i was talking about my system not working right, kaffeine broke :(
[02:36] <leandir> Emess: if nothing functions, wipe away the conf folder in /home and reinstall
[02:36] <leandir> I guess :)
[02:37] <JuJuBee> I upgraded to edgy last night and now when I try to run "sudo users-admin" , I get this error... (users-admin:8094): Liboobs-CRITICAL **: There was an unknown error communicating with the backends: The name org.freedesktop.SystemToolsBackends was not provided by any .service files
[02:37] <redtricycle> haha
[02:37] <redtricycle> "boobs"
[02:37] <redtricycle> sorry
[02:37] <redtricycle> =P
[02:37] <JuJuBee> =P
[02:37] <JuJuBee> right back at ya... :)
[02:37] <redtricycle> yyeaaah
[02:38] <redtricycle> edgy has this weird bug
[02:38] <redtricycle> where it won't let you edit partition tables manually
[02:38] <redtricycle> if you have xp dual boot
[02:38] <redtricycle> or ntfs dual boot
[02:38] <morphish>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ is something i can keep clean, right?
[02:38] <morphish> redtricycle: you mean from installer?
[02:38] <morphish> gui one i mean
[02:40] <JuJuBee> Hmmm, no takers on my "boobs" problem ;)
[02:41] <ToyMan> hmm. is there a way to change the default language after installation?
[02:41] <morphish> i have no idea what users-admin is, so i can only offer to use adduser or useradd
[02:41] <ToyMan> I have a spanish-speaking customer, and don't speak spanish
[02:42] <JuJuBee> morphish : it is the gui users and groups administrator  from system settings...
[02:42] <redtricycle> Yes, morphish
[02:42] <redtricycle> from installer
[02:42] <redtricycle> but you can install if you wipe the whole harddrive
[02:42] <redtricycle> I haven't seen any fixes for it, so I'll just bear with it until fiesty comes out..
[02:42] <redtricycle> unless they dont fix it again
[02:42] <morphish> redtricycle: i had to use alternate CD to even install on a logical partition for /
[02:42] <redtricycle> Ahh
[02:42] <redtricycle> is that what you did?
[02:42] <morphish> redtricycle: use the text cd and enjoy edgy ;)
[02:42] <redtricycle> I'm in edgy, but I had to wipe
[02:43] <redtricycle> that's good to know, thanks
[02:43] <redtricycle> I was about to switch back to slackware
[02:43] <redtricycle> -_-
[02:43] <Eightball-DH> Sup guys.
[02:43] <redtricycle> my first distro was slack, and that was like...
[02:43] <Eightball-DH> I'm having some problems
[02:43] <redtricycle> jeez, five years ago?
[02:44] <redtricycle> it turned me off to linux
[02:44] <redtricycle> kubuntu got me back in
[02:44] <Admiral_Chicago> Eightball-DH: ask
[02:44] <Eightball-DH> I have a windows partition and a blank partition for kubuntu
[02:45] <morphish> redtricycle: slackware seems to have that effect, i tried SuSE next, which worked fine, then took a tumble over redhat, dev'ed for gentoo, dev'ing for smgl, and use kubuntu now on an alternate box, it's nice
[02:45] <Eightball-DH> But when I put the kubuntu disc in it doesn't work.
[02:45] <Eightball-DH> It hangs on "booting the kernal"
[02:45] <Admiral_Chicago> Eightball-DH: did you do a checksum?
[02:45] <sync350> hey how do i set up a mic?
[02:45] <leandir> noone knows for amarok?
[02:45] <leandir> and last.fm
[02:46] <Eightball-DH> Hmmmmm...
[02:46] <morphish> Eightball-DH: it did that too me, i added noapic to kernel commandline (although from where it hung i was expecting that option to not have an effectyet)
[02:46] <Eightball-DH> No, I haven't tried to checksum the iso...
[02:46] <Eightball-DH> What's "noapic"?
[02:46] <xsacha> could have been bad burn?
[02:47] <redtricycle> amarok isn't showing my chinese id3 tags
[02:47] <Eightball-DH> I did burn like four different disks, at least one of which was the utility or non-standard iso
[02:47] <redtricycle> anyway to have it read different encodings?
[02:47] <morphish> Eightball-DH: if the checksum is ok, try noapic on kernel commandline, turns off apic, since some boxes don't like it, had to remaster an install ISO for a user who couldn;t boot anything, till i added it for him (odly my syslinux is refusing adding of options :/
[02:48] <paulw> leandir: have you checked on #amarok?
[02:48] <redtricycle> which server, paulw?
[02:48] <xsacha> i think that channel is dead
[02:48] <redtricycle> nevermind
[02:48] <redtricycle> =/
[02:48] <redtricycle> take out the question mark, sacha
[02:48] <xsacha> i know
[02:48] <astronaute> Can someone tell me is it is possible to install 32bits programs on kubuntu edgy 64 ???? (on gentoo64 its done easy with emulation)
[02:48] <Emess> still cant open my sda, could it be a dbus problem?
[02:48] <leandir> paulw: no thanks :)
[02:48] <xsacha> last time i went to it anyway
[02:49] <leandir> good day
[02:49] <xsacha> yes astronaute, use linux32
[02:49] <sync350> anyone got any info about seting up a mic?
[02:49] <paulw> np
[02:50] <astronaute> xsacha: eh how to use it please ? where to get it, (nothing in apt-get)
[02:50] <xsacha> yes, it's in apt-get
[02:50] <xsacha> !linux32 | astronaute
[02:50] <ubotu> linux32: Wrapper to set the execution domain. In component main, is extra. Version 1-3 (edgy), package size 5 kB, installed size 56 kB
[02:51] <xsacha> you'll need the libs as well, but i think adept installs those as dependant for you
[02:51] <astronaute> xsacha:  sorry my adept was slow, right its there
[02:51] <z3cka> what is the best way to fix a broken kubuntu updrade from Dapper to Edgy?
[02:52] <seishinbyou> when my upgrade failed, I backed up all important data and did a clean install
[02:52] <z3cka> hmmm... i'm unfortunatly not that smart
[02:53] <seishinbyou> It's not that difficult a process; first backup any data you were working on, then boot off the Kubuntu Edgy CD and do a fresh install
[02:53] <seishinbyou> I had the OS and my development environment up and running in an hour
[02:53] <astronaute> xsacha:  is this correct please ? error :/ http://pastebin.ca/233640
[02:54] <z3cka> yes i have gigs and gigs of stuff stuck with a broken boot sequence
[02:54] <xsacha> errm astronaute, it's in adept...
[02:54] <astronaute> xsacha:  not 2.0
[02:55] <xsacha> oh
[02:55] <z3cka> i followed the directions to "Upgrading from 6.06 LTS" at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php
[02:55] <astronaute> xsacha:  multiplayer support =)
[02:55] <astronaute> best game ever, so my gf want to play with me in local network =)
[02:55] <xsacha> when installing, you don't use linux32 make :P just make it like normal but make sure you have the 32-bit libraries in lib32
[02:55] <Eightball-DH> Could someone recommend a good checksum program?
[02:56] <astronaute> xsacha:  normal make : http://pastebin.ca/233603
[02:56] <astronaute> i think im missing something
[02:56] <xsacha> the 32-bit libraries
[02:56] <astronaute> duinno how to emulate this stuff, is there any tutorial please ?
[02:56] <morphish> astronaute: to use 32bit apps in a 64bit system, either find the 32bit (s)chroot guide on the forums, or if you are feeling comfortable adding something to /etc/ld.so.conf just unpack a tarball full of 32bit libs and point your ld.so.sonf there
[02:56] <z3cka> by changing all the instances of "dapper" to "edgy" in my /etc/apt/sources.list file
[02:57] <morphish> astronaute: that tarball would preferable go under /opt for easy cleanup
[02:57] <astronaute> morphish: yes i understand, where to get it that tarball ? =)
[02:57] <xsacha> it's pretty easy to just stick the 32-bit libraries in lib32 -- it's all setup to work that way
[02:57] <z3cka> now it will not boot past the screen refreash of the slpash screen
[02:57] <morphish> astronaute: sec
[02:58] <astronaute> xsacha:  same question, where to get them ?
[02:58] <astronaute> i will need 32b support for quake3, teamspeak client
[02:58] <xsacha> should have been a package you downloaded in adept.. i thought it was a dependancy
[02:58] <astronaute> so im open to all
[02:59] <astronaute> xsacha:  no, it is standalone game source i have
[02:59] <xsacha> no astronaute, the 32-bit libraries..
[02:59] <xsacha> you should have: ia32-libs*
[02:59] <xsacha> there is ia32-libs-sdl in there
[03:00] <meatwad64> is lame not in the?e apt repositories anymor
[03:00] <meatwad64> oops
[03:00] <meatwad64> i can't find any binaries for lame in the apt repo
[03:00] <astronaute> is it safe to take all ia32-libs* ??
[03:00] <xsacha> yes
[03:01] <xsacha> but you probably only need main one and sdl one
[03:02] <felixjet> whats the Kmix control for "what you heard"
[03:03] <felixjet> i need to record audio from streaming but the KRec points to in line, and i need "what you heard"
[03:03] <felixjet> anyone know?
[03:03] <astronaute> xsacha:  done
[03:03] <xsacha> ok try compile now
[03:04] <paulw> Eightball-DH: what are you using to burn your iso?  k3b will auto checksum.
[03:04] <xsacha> he used windows -- pretty sure :)
[03:04] <Eightball-DH> I was using DeepBurner.  In windows.
[03:04] <Eightball-DH> :(
[03:04] <manchicken> Anybody know how to restore kabc from backup?
[03:05] <paulw> Oh, no idea for windows
[03:05] <Eightball-DH> I might have found a solution though.  Thanks.
[03:06] <astronaute> xsacha:  i have same error
[03:06] <astronaute> normal ?
[03:06] <xsacha> no, maybe your library directory is pointing to wrong one
[03:07] <manchicken> Sweet.  That wasy easy
[03:07] <firegirl> does anyone know how to work with gstramers?
[03:07] <firegirl> streamers*
[03:08] <firegirl> gstreamers**
[03:08] <tk_> hello
[03:11] <tk_> I have a question about swat : i have installed the package und have tryt to connect to swat http daemon with http://localhost:901 but i become a timeout how can  i start the swat daemon if they are stopped ?
[03:12] <win_x_prts> tk_, you dont want to use swat
[03:12] <TIger_IT> How can i enable udma7 mode? please........Ive tried in several ways!
[03:12] <tk_> why ?
[03:14] <win_x_prts> password travels clear text on the wire
[03:14] <win_x_prts> or wireless
[03:15] <tk_> its only localhost
[03:15] <win_x_prts> anyway the info you need is on the samba how to collection at http://samba.org documentation section
[03:16] <win_x_prts> why not use text editor?
[03:19] <ironfroggy> do aim:, icq:, etc protocols work?
[03:21] <tk_> i am despaired to config samba with the editor , the result is that i can see the shares on Win machines but cannt connect ... i have use a basic basic configuration ...but it wont be working
[03:23] <win_x_prts> swat info at http://us5.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/SWAT.html  you can always ask for help in #samba
[03:23] <win_x_prts> :)
[03:28] <manchicken> How do you make the size of an external task bar independent from the panel itself?
[03:30] <lters_> any tips on using irda
[03:30] <lters_> !irda
[03:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about irda - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:33] <meatwad64> hello?
[03:34] <beemer> hey all - anyone know how to get a nforce chipset working in edgy?  If I do an lspci, i get several "unknown" items all related to nforce
[03:34] <beemer> heya meatwad
[03:34] <meatwad64> i think my laptop is nforce 3
[03:34] <meatwad64> what do people here use for cd ripping?
[03:35] <beemer> one sec meat, i'll get you a link for that
[03:35] <ToyMan> so does the disk partition tool work in the edgy install now?
[03:35] <ToyMan> I'm trying to do a dual boot system, but I've been reading about fatal bugs in the disk partioner in edgy
[03:36] <meatwad64> ToyMan: i guess i was lucky i had it re-partition my windows disk
[03:36] <beemer> meatwad - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183125hp?t=25151
[03:36] <ashridah> hey. anyone know where i can get updated kopete packages for edgy? ICQ's kinda broken in kopete's current version.
[03:36] <ToyMan> meatwad64: and it worked fine?
[03:36] <m4jqp> has anyone ever had the problem that when you install the nvidia beta drivers you can't see text?
[03:36] <meatwad64> thanks man i forgot about grip
[03:36] <beemer> yeah - i've had no issue with it meat
[03:36] <ToyMan> the post about it being a problem was from Sept.
[03:37] <meatwad64> ToyMan: for me it did windows still boots fine
[03:37] <ToyMan> great
[03:37] <ToyMan> ty
[03:37] <beemer> meat - on the nforce - i have a nforce4 chipset - did you have to do anything special to get your nf3 going in (k)ubuntu?
[03:39] <fabian__> Hello!
[03:39] <tk_> ok many thx
[03:39] <tk_> i have found a solution
[03:39] <beemer> howdy fabian
[03:39] <fabian__> never been here before
[03:39] <fabian__> Hello beemer
[03:39] <beemer> for what tk?
[03:39] <beemer> doh
[03:39] <meatwad64> beemer: not for me wireless was flaky at first but thats not an nforce problem
[03:40] <meatwad64> video worked good out of the box i heard about a lot of X issues but i didn't have any
[03:40] <fabian__> btw I am new to linux...using kubuntu..looks great so far
[03:40] <bomber> a few times now  when i start up the computer my network isnt working.... I tried running dhcpclient and dhcpclient2 and didnt have any luck either... i ended up rebootin both times...
[03:40] <fabian__> I havent been able to get tge wireless to connect to my wireless
[03:40] <bomber> any other ideas i can try the next time it happens to save me from rebboting a 2nd time
[03:40] <beemer> meat - i had no problem getting my video going, but I think my hd/dvd is a bit slow and I can't get any sound :(
[03:41] <beemer> fabian - what kind of wireless nic do you have?
[03:41] <hari> hello everbody
[03:41] <beemer> heya hari
[03:41] <hari> i have a question :)
[03:42] <fabian__> Intel bg  2200...I think thats the rigth reference
[03:42] <hari> In windows i can regain disk space by cleaning temporary internet files as well as the "temp" folder. How can I do the same thing in kubuntu?
[03:42] <foobark> hari: you could check the /tmp dir
[03:42] <foobark> :)
[03:42] <bomber> what browser do you use
[03:42] <meatwad64> well sound i don't have a problem with
[03:42] <VanessaE> evening folks
[03:43] <meatwad64> hd/dvd could be a hdparm issue
[03:43] <meatwad64> maybe dma isn't enabled for some reason
[03:43] <bomber> go to the preferences and you can also delete all temp internet fiels as well as cookies and stuff
[03:43] <hari> ok i did that but thats not taking up much space :(
[03:43] <beemer> hari - if you do a df -h, you can see a list of what's where on your system as far as space.  Go to the largest path it shows and run a du -sh * and that will list space usage by path, then just drill down using that command and find stuff you can kill off (that's not system related :)
[03:43] <fabian__> I will be back in 10...I am off to reboot
[03:43] <fabian__> l8er
[03:44] <beemer> meat - forgot about hdparm
[03:44] <beemer> :)
[03:45] <hari> ok but when we download files for installation using apt they are downloaded to our disk before installation right? if so are they automatically removed after the installatyion?
[03:45] <foobark> those are in /var/cache/apt/ I think
[03:45] <hari> ok foobark so can i remove them?
[03:46] <foobark> well - the nice way is apt-get clean
[03:46] <foobark> I'm sure there is an aptitude equivalent
[03:46] <foobark> apt-get --help will give you some options
[03:46] <foobark> there's an autoclean too that just does older ones I think
[03:46] <hari> ok i will try that by the way i found a folder thats abpout 1GB under /var/cache/apt/. hmmm
[03:46] <hari> ok
[03:47] <foobark> or you could just do a: find /var/cache/apt/archives -ctime +30 -exec rm {} \;
[03:47] <hari> what does that do?
[03:47] <beemer> meat : dma is off, and I can't turn it on - It's got to be the unknown stuff for the nforce chipset :(
[03:47] <foobark> deletes any files over thirty days old (it'll try anyt directories too but rm'll fail on those)
[03:48] <meatwad64> hmm
[03:48] <foobark> stick with apt-get or aptitude clean
[03:48] <meatwad64> what does it say when you try to?
[03:48] <hari> ok let me try with apt options first :(
[03:48] <beemer> I have stuff like this in lspci output: 00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 03eb (rev a2)
[03:48] <hari> ok
[03:48] <meatwad64> i forget what smbus is
[03:48] <foobark> definitely - my first answer as a warm up... I need to water down my first couple ideas :)
[03:48] <NickGarvey> nothing like a good apt-get clean..
[03:48] <beemer> meat : HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted (and yeah i used sudo :)
[03:49] <meatwad64> hmm what if you set it on boot?
[03:49] <beemer> hadn't tried that yet - i doubt that it will tho if a manual switch won't take
[03:49] <blueyed> beemer: there's no DMA on SATA, what you're probably using.
[03:50] <meatwad64> yea
[03:50] <blueyed> beemer: I have an nForce4 chipset here..
[03:51] <beemer> blue - cool - you have any issue getting it to work?
[03:51] <hari> apt-get clean says
[03:51] <hari> E: Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[03:51] <blueyed> beemer: the nforce4? no.. everything works here, even hibernate.. (with a config switch)
[03:51] <meatwad64> well i'm sure the dvd is pata though
[03:52] <beemer> blue/meat - i have edgy loaded and running - dapper live cd bombed out tho
[03:52] <hari> what could be the problem?
[03:52] <meatwad64> dapper live cd didn't work at all?
[03:52] <foobark> hari: you have to wear big pants
[03:52] <beemer> nope - bombed when it tried to load
[03:52] <foobark> try:  sudo apt-get clean
[03:52] <manchicken> Anybody know a good spot for 1440x900 wallpapers?
[03:52] <morphish> hari: try as root
[03:52] <meatwad64> does anyone know how to turn off the thing on the touchpad that clicks in the top right?
[03:52] <hari> ok :)
[03:52] <beemer> mb manual says the chipset is a mcp61v
[03:53] <foobark> I'm way more casual with putting on the big boy pants then most people
[03:53] <meatwad64> everytime i type i hit it and it messes up what i'm typing very annoying
[03:53] <meatwad64> who makes it?
[03:53] <beemer> biostar
[03:53] <hari> :0
[03:53] <beemer> it's a nf61v mb
[03:53] <hari> yes it's done :)
[03:54] <meatwad64> but for smbus i'm sure thats normal i've had missing drivers on windows for that and it was fine
[03:54] <beemer> hari - do another df -h to check space now
[03:54] <hari> ok
[03:54] <beemer> well i have that same type line for other parts too
[03:54] <meatwad64> oh
[03:54] <fabian__> Hello, I am back
[03:54] <meatwad64> let me look at my lspci
[03:55] <meatwad64> 00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation nForce3 SMBus (rev a4)
[03:55] <hari> Usage went from 69% to 50% :)
[03:55] <beemer> 13 unknowns in my list - only thing it knows for sure is the cpu, wireless, and nv gf7600 card
[03:55] <foobark> hari: another good way to track down disk usage is to do a  du -h --summarize /*
[03:55] <hari> ok let me try that too :)
[03:56] <foobark> that'll traverse the file system and tell you the disk usage for each sub dir
[03:56] <hari> yes
[03:56] <beemer> btw - are the kubuntu forums down?
[03:56] <hari> but it takes time though
[03:57] <hari> hmmm
[03:57] <foobark> oh - it'll take some time
[03:58] <meatwad64> i'm not sure beemer
[03:58] <fabian__> can someone give me a hint on how to install fluxbox on my kububtu?
[03:58] <letalis> if i am upgrading amd64 dapper to edgy was there something extra that i needed to do to upgrade it to the 64 bit version?
[03:58] <hari> i just upgraded kubuntu from 6.06 to 6.10 and found that my disk space went low thats why i tought maybe some good people from this chat could help me :)
[03:59] <letalis> it looks like it downloaded the standard kernel
[03:59] <hari> and they did, thankyou foobark and beemer :)
[03:59] <fabian__> nx99va
[04:01] <tom_> Hi! Does anyone know what is needed to play .nsv files with Totem?
[04:02] <foobark> hari: np
[04:02] <hari> I must now indulge myself deep into kubuntu :) Thankyou for helping me and maybe I will be back soon with more questions ;)
[04:02] <seishinbyou> How dangerous is apt-get autoremove
[04:03] <hari> thankyou everybody, bye for now :)
[04:03] <foobark> fabian__:  I think I saw a digg about flux on ubu a while ago
[04:03] <seishinbyou> fubuntu?
[04:03] <meatwad64> it really shouldn't be this hard to rip cds to mp3...had to go through hoops for this
[04:04] <fabian__> I guess I was not here foobark
[04:04] <tom_> Anyone using Totem or VLC for Shoutcast TV?
[04:05] <foobark> fabian__: doesn't look like they roll it into the repositories
[04:05] <foobark> but here's a step by step for rolling your own: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=116759
[04:05] <fabian__> cheking it
[04:05] <foobark> once I get my second monitor up and running I might look to replace kdm
[04:06] <duane> grrrrrrrrr
[04:06] <duane> i keep getting thsi stupid error
[04:06] <foobark> anyone have any experiecen with putting ina second vid card ?
[04:06] <duane> sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3
[04:06] <duane> Password:
[04:06] <duane> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[04:06] <duane> what the hell is the probably
[04:06] <duane> problem?
[04:06] <duane> adept wont start either
[04:06] <duane> keeps telling me that there's another app that's trying to use apt
[04:06] <foobark> duane:  one of the installation scripts was interrupted (or couldn't continue)
[04:06] <duane> but i dont have any other apt running
[04:06] <foobark> maybe try and apt-get -f install
[04:07] <duane> same thing
[04:07] <duane> how do I close the installation script that was interrupted?
[04:07] <foobark> deep breath - that was just a guess   :)
[04:07] <duane> i think it is tho
[04:08] <duane> because adept crashes everytime i start up kubuntu
[04:08] <duane> it might be hanging or something
[04:08] <foobark> what happens when you do the --configure -a?
[04:09] <foobark> I seem to remember there was a --pending option or something
[04:09] <foobark> <- dork... okay - a and --pending are the same
[04:09] <duane> yeah
[04:09] <duane> ok
[04:09] <duane> it works now
[04:11] <foobark> that wasn't so hard
[04:11] <foobark> hurray for good error messages
[04:13] <foobark> is there anyone here that has experience with two video card setups?
[04:14] <beemer> anyone know how to get nforce4 chipset working? (i have no sound and no dma for drives and can't turn it on)
[04:14] <foobark> or more specifically; how to get an nvidia 7900gs to breath?
[04:15] <foobark> beemer: the 13 unknowns is tough
[04:15] <foobark> in your lspci or whatever
[04:16] <foobark> my shotgun method of testing kernel driver support is trying to boot the knoppix dvd
[04:17] <foobark> if that doesn't work then I hit the bricks of google town and hope someone else has my problems
[04:28] <dalbirdy> trying to make vmware work this is the error i get? any help
[04:28] <dalbirdy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29830/
[04:28] <foobark> ha - I just finished installing vmware... irc rocks
[04:29] <dalbirdy> i had it installed under dapper....but when i upgraded to edgy.....problems start
[04:29] <foobark> so - the problem here is that you have to open up the socket to your x server
[04:29] <dalbirdy> how?
[04:29] <foobark> I wish I remembered - I only run into when I go to run a vnc server on a box or something
[04:30] <foobark> let me go look
[04:30] <dalbirdy> ok
[04:32] <intelikey> "clear" -----------/\/-------------------------
[04:32] <intelikey> ------------------------ "doctor give it up. this channel is dead."
[04:33] <m4jqp> does xorg 7.1 work in ubuntu?
[04:33] <intelikey> is ubuntu linux ?
[04:34] <aseigo> m4jqp: 7.1.1 comes with edgy so .. i'd say so
[04:34] <foobark> dalbirdy: go goole your error message and add "vnc"
[04:35] <dalbirdy> ok
[04:35] <foobark> http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/#faq-xperms
[04:35] <foobark> that may be the issue...
[04:35] <SeanTater> !ubuntu| intelikey
[04:35] <ubotu> intelikey: Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[04:36] <intelikey> !botsnack
[04:36] <ubotu> Yum!
[04:36] <foobark> !draw
[04:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about draw - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:36] <foobark> oh sweet... nice bot
[04:36] <SeanTater> !lart foobark
[04:37] <SeanTater> oops
[04:37] <SeanTater> @lart foobark
[04:37] <SeanTater> eh -- works in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:37] <intelikey> !offtopic
[04:37] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:38] <SeanTater> !ubuntu-offtopic
[04:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-offtopic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:38] <foobark> lart? readjustment tool?
[04:38] <SeanTater> :S
[04:38] <SeanTater> foobark: Lusers Attitude Readjustment Tool
[04:39] <foobark> I see... my reverse acronymer is rusty
[04:39] <m4jqp> is edgy > dapper?
[04:39] <SeanTater> !edgy | m4jqp
[04:39] <ubotu> m4jqp: Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[04:39] <intelikey> no but  edgy != dapper either
[04:40] <intelikey> !lts
[04:40] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[04:40] <SeanTater> m4jqp: edgy is newer than dapper but less stable
[04:40] <shadowhywind> how can i see if a partition is in readonly mode or not?
[04:40] <SeanTater> m4jqp: dapper is LTS
[04:40] <m4jqp> lol
[04:40] <SeanTater> shadowhywind: try writing to it, or read /etc/fstab
[04:40] <foobark> touch it
[04:41] <foobark> :)
[04:41] <intelikey> shadowhywind mount
[04:41] <intelikey> or cat /etc/mtab
[04:41] <shadowhywind> fstab says its rw, but for some odd reason, i can't add any files or anything to it
[04:41] <foobark> this may sound a little gay... but do a man touch
[04:41] <foobark> not that there's anything wrong with that.
[04:42] <SeanTater> shadowhywind: df may give an indication as to how full it is
[04:42] <shadowhywind> i still have 17 gbs free on it
[04:42] <SeanTater> shadowhywind: sounds like plenty
[04:42] <intelikey> fstab doesn't know how it "is" mounted only how it's supposed to be mounted.    mount or cat /etc/mtab  knows how it is mounted.
[04:42] <shadowhywind> i just unmounted and mounted it and its fine
[04:42] <intelikey> or cat /proc/mounts
[04:42] <shadowhywind> i wonder why it mounted it as rw
[04:42] <shadowhywind> as read only i mean
[04:42] <foobark> I like prov/mounts better
[04:43] <foobark> what's the symptom? what happens when you try and touch a file on that partition?
[04:43] <SeanTater> shadowhywind: ext3?
[04:43] <shadowhywind> fat32
[04:43] <shadowhywind> i think i found the problem
[04:43] <intelikey> foobark but that's highly kernel dependant  mtab isn't
[04:44] <dalbirdy> cant seem to find the problem
[04:44] <shadowhywind> [17180062.376000]  FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sda5) [17180062.376000]      clusters badly computed (131072 != 0) [17180062.376000]      File system has been set read-only
[04:45] <intelikey> umount it and fsck it
[04:45] <foobark> understood
[04:45] <shadowhywind> is there a flag i have to give to fsck to fix the errors if any?
[04:46] <intelikey> man fsck.vfat
[04:47] <intelikey> i would probably try -af   but that's just me.
[04:47] <shadowhywind> well fsck <drive> didn't really find anything, going to try af
[04:54] <dalbirdy> foobark still no luck finding the solution....with my error
[04:55] <foobark> dalbirdy: yeah... I had stopped looking. Any time I've seen that error it was because either I didn't have a DISPLAY env set for the shell I was in
[04:55] <foobark> or I didn't allow anyone other then the use who is logged into the gui send it info
[04:56] <foobark> (uhg... horrible typing. suffering rsi pains... I'll try again).
[04:56] <foobark> If I log into the GUI as foobark... then you have to tell X to allow other users permission to send to your display
[04:56] <foobark> I thought it was an xauth command or something
[04:57] <dalbirdy> i just need a fix...my wife will kill me if i cant get her stupid windows going
[04:58] <intelikey> i whish is could turn the backlight down on this 17" crt   background 0  is more like dark gray
[04:58] <Admiral_Chicago> dalbirdy: whats the problem
[04:58] <Erich-K> How can I update amarok?
[04:58] <intelikey> dalbirdy i'd opt for death....
[04:58] <Admiral_Chicago> ah vmware
[04:58] <Admiral_Chicago> i can't help
[04:58] <Admiral_Chicago> Erich-K: look on amarok.kde.org
[04:59] <Jucato> Erich-K: are you on Dapper or Edgy?
[04:59] <foobark> ahh
[04:59] <Admiral_Chicago> Erich-K: scratch that kubuntu.org http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.4.php
[04:59] <Admiral_Chicago> follow the link
[04:59] <foobark> dalbirdy:  try going to the gui and typing xhost +
[04:59] <Erich-K> Jucato: Dapper
[04:59] <dalbirdy> I upgraded to edgy and now vmware will not work
[04:59] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: not on Dapper, unfortunately
[05:00] <foobark> (in a shell of course)
[05:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: the repo should be on that page, let me check
[05:00] <foobark> that's the xserver host access command
[05:00] <felixjet> i cant eject the cdrom
[05:00] <felixjet> u_U
[05:00] <dalbirdy> xhost:  unable to open display ":0.0"
[05:00] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: nope. only for Edgy
[05:00] <foobark> do you have a display up?
[05:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: really?
[05:00] <Admiral_Chicago> i see that now
[05:01] <foobark> it's trying to paint a window and doesn't have permission to access the xserver
[05:01] <Admiral_Chicago> oh well 1.4.4 is really lame far as i'm concerned, the music store is awful
[05:01] <dalbirdy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29830/
[05:03] <intelikey> i whish is could turn the backlight down on this 17" crt   background 0  is more like dark gray   i've got the btightness set to 0 and the contrast set to 40  but it still looks like the sun is shining on the back side of the screen and bleeding through...
[05:04] <aseigo> intelikey: have you tried adjusting the gamma?
[05:04] <aseigo> intelikey: via the control panel for that?
[05:04] <intelikey> in the console ?
[05:04] <eSeong> anyone here could get dlink dwl-122 usb to work on ubuntu ?
[05:05] <intelikey> no i havent tried that in this console aseigo
[05:05] <Erich-K> No 1.4.4 amarok packages for dapper?
[05:05] <aseigo> intelikey: there's a gamma correction control panel in kde
[05:05] <Jucato> Erich-K: none yet. I'm not sure if they'll be making one
[05:06] <aseigo> intelikey: really useful
[05:06] <Erich-K> Jucato: alright, thanks anyway
[05:06] <foobark> dalbirdy: are you running a gui?
[05:08] <intelikey> aseigo doesn't seem to be any gamma control on the monitor
[05:08] <eSeong> aww sad, no one could help me on my dlink ?
[05:09] <Jucato> intelikey: KControl  -> Peripherals -> Monitor & Display -> Color & Gamma tab
[05:09] <intelikey> eSeong !i  i'm network illiterate
[05:09] <intelikey> Jucato i don't have a gui running
[05:10] <Jucato> intelikey: ah
[05:10] <Jucato> yeah ...forgot...
[05:10] <eSeong> intelikey : weee i hope u could help me out of this.
[05:11] <intelikey> !network
[05:11] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:11] <intelikey> no you stupid bot not wireless.
[05:11] <intelikey> !wired
[05:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wired - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:12] <intelikey> fugures.
[05:12] <Jucato> ...
[05:12] <intelikey> figures  that is
[05:12] <eSeong> intelikey : i was currently having error on my dlink dwl-122 ....
[05:12] <eSeong> intelikey : is there any solution for that ?
[05:13] <intelikey> i'm sure there is, eSeong,  but don't ask me what.
[05:13] <foobark> ha... I tried to install a dwl-something a while ago
[05:13] <foobark> had to use a ndis-wrapper
[05:14] <intelikey> that's a thought
[05:14] <eSeong> im using wlan..... something
[05:14] <aseigo> intelikey: no, it's in kcontrol
[05:14] <foobark> it's not a fun thought ...
[05:14] <aseigo> intelikey: it's a software control
[05:14] <eSeong> foobark : what are u doing now, its working ?
[05:14] <intelikey> aseigo it uses xorg   i'm not.
[05:15] <foobark> well... I found it much more palatable to use a wrt54gl to get my linux box on the airwaves
[05:15] <foobark> because I could only get 802.11b and it was slow...
[05:15] <intelikey> aseigo do you know what a tty (console) is ?
[05:15] <eSeong> how u work on 802.11b ?
[05:15] <aseigo> yes. it's a thing those who can't be bothered to run a modern system use.
[05:16] <eSeong> mind elaborate the instruction..
[05:16] <intelikey> aseigo k  that's me.
[05:16] <eSeong> i saw/read many thread in ubuntuforum..
[05:16] <eSeong> but i can't seem get it work.
[05:17] <foobark> well - where are you at now? does it show up when you do a:~$ lspci
[05:20] <intelikey> foobark maybe something more dirrect like      eSeong command lspci      your card is listed ?
[05:21] <foobark>  understood
[05:21] <foobark> it's not really a good path to go down to... unless you're a glutton for pain eSeong you're far better off spending $20 and buying something you know will work
[05:22] <intelikey> or the whole internet may be off line on that side of the world...............
[05:22] <intelikey> "can you help me? i think i crashed the internet"    :)
[05:24] <foobark> "I killed a guy with a trident"
[05:24] <intelikey> nice.   what did he do ?
[05:24] <abattoir> IE's rendering engine? that's not new :P
[05:24] <Jucato> whoa! abattoir!!! :)
[05:24] <abattoir> hey Jucato :)
[05:25] <abattoir> Jucato: how are ya?
[05:25] <[g2] > On Edgy how do I switch to a usb audio device from the built-in hw ?
[05:25] <foobark> the "i think I crashed the internet" made me think of that guy in the Anchorman saying that "he killed a guy"
[05:25] <foobark> it was a total non-sequitor
[05:25] <foobark> that's almost the way to spell in latin per se'
[05:26] <Jucato> abattoir: doing fine, doing fine :)
[05:26] <Jucato> abattoir: and you?
[05:26] <foobark> I came here to look for some help and all I've done is give crappy interjections :)
[05:26] <intelikey> foobark lol   welcome to kubuntu
[05:27] <intelikey> lol
[05:27] <foobark> well thank you very much
[05:27] <foobark> it's a nice little side step from debian servers
[05:27] <abattoir> [g2] : try changing the device in kmix( i think that's how it's done)
[05:27] <abattoir> Jucato: a bit tired, exams coming up
[05:27] <[g2] > abattoir thx I'll give that a shot
[05:28] <Jucato> abattoir: aw.. good luck then! hope to see you hanging around again soon :)
[05:28] <abattoir> Jucato: hopefully, i should be here a bit more often from now onwards
[05:29] <abattoir> [g2] : if that doesn't work, we'll need to modify asound.conf
[05:29] <Jucato> abattoir: yeah you never hang around in *our* channel anymore.. (btw, Riddel's there now...)
[05:29] <abattoir> Jucato: heh, forgot all about it :P
[05:30] <Jucato> abattoir: figures... :(
[05:30] <Jucato> anyway, gotta go.. lunch :P
[05:30] <intelikey> don't ya just love to be forgotten.....
[05:30] <Jucato> intelikey: I'm used to it
[05:30] <abattoir> intelikey: it's sometimes nice ;)
[05:30] <intelikey> ;/
[05:32] <intelikey> i wonder how long a gas well has to be out of production before the leases revert to the land owners.......
[05:32] <intelikey> going to read up on that.  back afterwards
[05:35] <dalbirdy> foobark to fix my problem with vmware not working i had to remove
[05:35] <dalbirdy> libdbus-1-2
[05:35] <dalbirdy> now vmware is working
[05:36] <foobark> awesome
[05:36] <dalbirdy> fo8nd it on this site
[05:36] <foobark> wish I could have been more help
[05:36] <dalbirdy> http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?messageID=385999
[05:36] <dalbirdy> if you want to save it for future refernce
[05:37] <Emess> how do i get wine to act as xp, like the look of programs and such
[05:37] <Emess> or even to use my kde and bryl theme
[05:37] <dalbirdy> im off to bed now
[05:37] <dalbirdy> see you guys later
[05:45] <specialbuddy> how do I set it up so that if I plug a portable harddrive, it always mounts to a certain location
[05:46] <[g2] > abattoir thx. There's actually a setting in skype for choosing the adapter
[05:47] <abattoir> [g2] : np :), if you'd sais skype earlier, i'd have redirected you there ;)
[05:47] <abattoir> *said
[05:47] <[g2] > abattoir your karma must have helped alot :)
[05:48] <abattoir> heh
[05:48] <[g2] > well all is working, thx and best regards
[05:48] <abattoir> great :)
[05:50] <mauricio> hi. I have some problems with my kubuntu since I've update it for 6.10
[05:50] <mauricio> could someone help me?
[05:51] <abattoir> mauricio: sure, what problems?
[05:51] <specialbuddy> how can is set up my computer to automount usb devices
[05:51] <abattoir> specialbuddy: edgy?
[05:51] <specialbuddy> yeah
[05:51] <specialbuddy> edgy kubuntu
[05:52] <mauricio> first. After one unsuccessfull hibernate, I cant start a session in KDE.
[05:52] <abattoir> specialbuddy: do you get the kde media daemon? the popup asking you what to do?
[05:52] <specialbuddy> yeah I did but I screwed something up in Disk & Filesystems
[05:53] <abattoir> specialbuddy: if you do, select 'do nothing' and then click 'remember this action', it should then be automounted everytime
[05:53] <specialbuddy> yeah
[05:53] <specialbuddy> I did that but I screwed it up in Disk & filesystems
[05:54] <abattoir> specialbuddy: hmm, i can't get that module to load...
[05:54] <abattoir> specialbuddy: what exactly did you do there?
[05:54] <specialbuddy> I tried to change the mount point
[05:55] <abattoir> mauricio: it was working fine in dapper?
[05:55] <mauricio> abattoir: I never tried hibernate/suspend in dapper.
[05:56] <Emess> is there a way tog et wine apps to use kde or beryl themes?
[05:57] <abattoir> mauricio: sometimes the hardware isn't supported that well by the kernel(for resuming after hibernating/suspending)
[05:57] <abattoir> mauricio: which video card?
[05:58] <mauricio> abattoir: SIS 740. Ok, but what can I do after this? How can I 'delete' old 'session'.
[05:59] <abattoir> mauricio: works fine here in a 760. from what i've heard, X has issues restarting when you resume, so some input stops working for some, some get a blank screen etc. have you tried restarting X ?
[06:00] <abattoir> *so for some, input stops working
[06:00] <mauricio> abattoir: I need explain somethin else. In GDM, after a first try to login, a blank screen appears, and minutes later, XDM appears.
[06:01] <abattoir> mauricio: you're using GDM to login to GNOME or into KDE?
[06:01] <xsacha> anyone know what's wrong with my mic? when i record in KRecord, i have to put volume up to 100% to hear myself.. mic boost i can almost hear myself normally with 100% volume..
[06:02] <mauricio> abattoir: Does not matter. The same problem occurs for GNOME or KDE.
[06:02] <abattoir> mauricio: yes, that's why i was asking, so it's pretty much confirmed that it's an X issue, have you tried restarting X? Ctrl+Alt+Backspace ?
[06:02] <xsacha> my speakers are *very loud* too.. anything over 20% for any other sound and you can hear it downstairs
[06:03] <mauricio> abattoir: Yes. If I do that, GDM goes out, and XDM starts.
[06:05] <abattoir> mauricio: so i guess, your h/w isn't supported, unless we can find someone who says it works for them...
[06:05] <abattoir> xsacha: have you tried fiddling around w/ the sliders in kmix?
[06:06] <xsacha> they are all on 100%
[06:06] <abattoir> xsacha: tried unmuting the mic?
[06:06] <xsacha> if it was muted i wouldnt get any sound :P
[06:06] <xsacha> of course it isnt muted :P
[06:06] <abattoir> xsacha: is the green led lit, above the mic?
[06:06] <xsacha> yes
[06:07] <xsacha> any clues?
[06:07] <abattoir> xsacha: nothing other than that :(
[06:07] <abattoir> xsacha: has your mic worked at a better vol. before?
[06:07] <xsacha> problem isnt that im not getting input.. it's getting input it's just extreme low
[06:07] <mauricio> abattoir: Ok. but what can I do now to restore my system to normal operation? Since that, I could not start KDE or GNOME normally
[06:07] <xsacha> yes it works fine @ 20% in windows.. 100% is extremely loud
[06:08] <xsacha> that's 20% input and 20% output volume
[06:08] <abattoir> mauricio: have you tried rebooting?
[06:08] <xsacha> 20% output volume works fine in amarok as well.. im using 100% input and 100% output right now
[06:08] <mauricio> abattoir: perhaps about 10 times.
[06:09] <abattoir> mauricio: so you can't even log into kde ?
[06:09] <shinobi2> i need a calculator to do factorials, any app good for that?
[06:09] <shinobi2> will bc work?
[06:09] <abattoir> shinobi2: speedcrunch
[06:09] <abattoir> !info speedcrunch
[06:09] <ubotu> speedcrunch: high precision calculator. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7~060412-0ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 190 kB, installed size 592 kB
[06:09] <foobark> mauricio: anything interesting  if you execute the command: tail /var/log/kdm.log
[06:11] <abattoir> shinobi2: oh, wait, it doesn't seem to do factorials, let me confirm...
[06:11] <shinobi2> abattoir: command not found, synaptic shows i have it installed
[06:12] <abattoir> shinobi2: it should be in the menu
[06:12] <abattoir> shinobi2: but i can't see ! anywhere sorry
[06:13] <xsacha> abattoir: it turns out my mic volume doesnt matter.. i had it on 0% and 100% and get same volume.. the Capture volume and the AC97 volume doesnt affect it either -- any ideas? the other ones in input are turned off (aux, linein..)
[06:13] <shinobi2> abattoir: found it
[06:13] <xsacha> when i turn mic off it works too -- same volume
[06:14] <shinobi2> abattoir: k-menu, then utilities
[06:14] <abattoir> xsacha: go to switches, see if the right mic  is selected, if you have multiple mics
[06:14] <xsacha> i just have one mic.. and mic1 is selected.. mic2 doesnt work
[06:14] <xsacha> if i disable "Capture" in input, i get no input
[06:14] <mauricio> abattoir: foobark: I can log into KDE if I wait some minutes. Then the new session is like a 'secondary' session. Only options to close session, None for shutdown or restart.
[06:14] <xsacha> but Capture's volume on 0% is same as 100%
[06:15] <Alphax> Are .jigdo files available for the desktop cds?
[06:15] <shinobi2> abattoir: 9! did not work , is there a special way to input it? or it just doesn't support it?
[06:15] <abattoir> shinobi2: ok, kcalc has it, it was dropped in favour of speedcrunch
[06:15] <abattoir> shinobi2: mmm, i told you it doesnt work in speedcrunch :(
[06:15] <abattoir> shinobi2: it does in kcalc though, so please install that
[06:16] <abattoir> mauricio: did you try what foobark said?
[06:17] <mauricio> abattoir: Yes. /var/log/kdm.log does not exists. /var/log/gdm/:0.log exists. There is only messages about fonts not found.
[06:18] <shinobi2> abattoir: kool, i can verify my factorial function now
[06:20] <mauricio> abattoir: I dont think so. There is more strange facts. /dev/null has mode 0600 and if I try log in by console, bash shows several errors about /dev/null.
[06:20] <xsacha> ok the mic volume is affecting it now.. but it's going from no sound to little sound..
[06:20] <Alphax> So. is a .jigdo file available for the Desktop ISO?
[06:20] <mauricio> abattoir: If I chmode of /dev/null, after a reboot, it is 0600 again.
[06:23] <mauricio> abattoir: I already checked /etc/udev/40-pemrissions.rules, but in this file, /dev/null has mode 0666 (as expected).
[06:28] <T3hWiz0rd> hmm mcan anyone tell me where to check why amarok crashed?
[06:29] <mauricio> abattoir: thanks for your attention. I realy need sleep. If you could, talk about my problem with others. I post my problem in ubuntu forum, Find by 'mkanada'. Is my nick in this forum. Bye.
[06:32] <seishinbyou> Has anyone ever set up a gaiji server on Debian/Ubuntu?  The only such servers I ever see are for Windows
[06:32] <stanley> how dose this work?
[06:32] <abattoir> oops, sorry, had to go afk
[06:34] <seishinbyou> I realize this is probably a .jp problem only... and possibly .zh, but in general terms, is it possible to set up a server such that characters not in a standard character set are displayed with a bitmap?
[06:35] <seishinbyou> Sorry, this is a bit odd of a situation to explain
[06:36] <seishinbyou> There is a graph and explanation (in .jp) here if anyone can help : http://www.dynacw.co.jp/solution/ev/index.html
[06:42] <Emess> si there a way to unmap shift-bckspc to killing x?
[06:43] <starignus> hi
[06:44] <starignus> i have a problem tu burn cd-R i use gonome baker
[06:44] <starignus> but it is qhen i want to import a new sesion
[06:44] <specialbuddy> does anyone know how to get xgl working with kubuntu
[06:46] <starignus>  <specialbuddy> have you install compiz
[06:46] <specialbuddy> I got it work with gnome but not kde
[06:47] <starignus> you have a nvidua
[06:47] <specialbuddy> no
[06:47] <specialbuddy> ati
[06:47] <specialbuddy> I have beryl working with gnome
 have you seen this page maybe there is something http://forum.beryl-project.org/topic-205-6.html
[06:50] <starignus> i have a problem tu burn cd-R i use gonome baker but  when i want to import a new sesion it dismount the cd-r
[06:50] <specialbuddy> do you know how to restore kubuntu back to the way it was when it was first installed
[06:50] <specialbuddy> because messed a few things up already
[06:50] <seishinbyou> you mean other than just reinstalling the OS from the CD?
[06:50] <specialbuddy> try k3b
[06:50] <specialbuddy> yeah
[06:50] <specialbuddy> other then that
[06:51] <seishinbyou> If you wanted to start over anyways, it is probably faster to just reinstall from the CD than to muck about reversing any nasty damage... from mucking about
[06:51] <seishinbyou> I was able to reinstall the OS from scratch and get my development environment up in about an hour
[06:51] <starignus> i have before k3b but i doesnt work
[06:52] <sebastian222> hello
[06:52] <sebastian222> please i need some help installing icons in kde
[06:52] <sebastian222> hello?
[06:53] <starignus>  <specialbuddy> have you aready helped
[06:53] <abattoir> sebastian222: have you downloaded a tar.gz file?
[06:53] <sebastian222> yep
[06:54] <sebastian222> but it says that it's not a valid icon thme file
[06:54] <specialbuddy> have I already helped?
[06:54] <abattoir> sebastian222: which theme is this? are there instructions where you downloaded it from?
[06:54] <sebastian222> i download it from kdelook
[06:54] <sebastian222> no instructions
[06:54] <abattoir> sebastian222: url?
[06:54] <amir> Hi guys
[06:54] <sebastian222> its the osk theme
[06:55] <sebastian222> www.kde-look.com
[06:55] <abattoir> sebastian222: no, the specific url where you downloaded from... not the site
[06:55] <sebastian222> oh
[06:55] <sebastian222> wait
[06:56] <amir> how many people are on this channel?
[06:56] <abattoir> amir: 287
[06:56] <sebastian222> oh
[06:56] <sebastian222> I've found some instructions
[06:56] <amir> goodness
[06:57] <starignus> i have a problem tu burn cd-R i use gonome baker but  when i want to import a new sesion it dismount the cd-r, does it close the cd,-r? that is why the cd is unmounted
[06:57] <Jucato> not all are *really* here though
[06:57] <amir> I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help answer some questions I have about kubuntu?
[06:57] <sebastian222> abattoir: thanks, im gonna try the instructions
[06:57] <abattoir> amir: sure, ask first though ;)
i have a problem tu burn cd-R i use gonome baker but  when i want to import a new sesion it dismount the cd-r, does it close the cd,-r? that is why the cd is unmounted
[06:58] <Jucato> starignus: you installed gnome baker on Kubuntu? you might try asking in #ubuntu because it's their app
[06:58] <abattoir> starignus: umm, not sure, do as Jucato says, or try K3B ;)
[06:58] <amir> abattoir, would you recommend kubuntu for someone who is new to linux yet wants to learn?
[06:58] <amir> or another form of linux?
[06:58] <abattoir> amir: sure, why not?
 no i haven try it but i have ubuntu with gonome
[06:59] <Jucato> starignus: ah.. because this is #kubuntu, so most wouldn't probably know how gnome baker works
[06:59] <abattoir> starignus: try asking in #ubuntu , as Jucato said before
[07:00] <abattoir> i guess people on Ubuntu install konversation, seeing it's an IRC client, and the first channel they get to is #kubuntu
 sorry but i dont understand that of  #ubuntu, could you be kind to explain me, thanks
[07:00] <abattoir> starignus: click on #ubuntu , the blue link
[07:00] <Jucato> abattoir: that would be strange. don't they install xchat-gnome by default?
[07:00] <abattoir> starignus: otherwise, type '/join #ubuntu'
[07:01] <Jucato> or they expect users to use GAIM for IRC too?
[07:01] <abattoir> starignus: you should join the Ubuntu support channel where people who know more about Gnomebaker reside
[07:01] <starignus>  <abattoir>ok i saw now
[07:01] <starignus> thak you very much
[07:01] <abattoir> Jucato: don't know if they come w/ an IRC client installed by default :P
[07:02] <abattoir> starignus: you're welcome :)
[07:02] <Jucato> ok that would be weird :)
[07:03] <Endler> I hate the dumbed-down kbuntu konq mod, so I reverted it back to standard via the instructions on kubuntu webpage.  It mostly worked expcept for one thing.  All the view options drop down from a single  button instead of the the standard three buttons.  How do I revert that?  I examined the toolbar config, but it'sn not using standard buttons for that.
[07:03] <abattoir> Jucato: someone on #ubuntu says no ;)
[07:03] <Jucato> abattoir: golly, you're there, too?!
[07:04] <abattoir> Jucato: no, just went there to find out :P
[07:04] <Endler> I am now :))
[07:04] <Jucato> abattoir: lol :)
[07:04] <Endler> I'm back to my original question :)
[07:04] <abattoir> Endler: am looking, one sec
[07:05] <Endler> k
[07:05] <Jucato> Endler: it was a patch that the devs made to combine the 3 buttons into one. I'm not sure how to revert to the original
[07:05] <Endler> Oh.  Why???
[07:05] <Jucato> saves space?
[07:05] <Endler> It is much more convenient the other way.
[07:05] <monur> hi, i am trying to install kubuntu edgy, but when i boot into the cd, it shows a progress indicator for some time, but then falls back into the console. what could be the problem?
[07:06] <amir> what other types of KDE desktops are there other than kubuntu?
[07:06] <Jucato> Endler: if you remember, in Dapper and Breezy, those buttons weren't even there. They decided to bring them back in Edgy, but it took too much space on the toolbar.
[07:06] <Endler> I have plenty of space.
[07:06] <Jucato> Endler: also notice that the back/forward/up/refresh/home buttons and the location field are in one toolbar by default
[07:07] <Endler> I've just put Kubuntu on my notebook.
[07:07] <Ayabara_> after doing a dist upgrade my kubuntu install won't start. when I run in recovery mode, it stops at "Running local boot scripts (etc/rc.local)". help...
[07:07] <abattoir> monur: did you try booting through the 'safe mode'
[07:07] <Endler> The install went very smoothly and I really like apept.
[07:07] <joeshmo> hiya guys
[07:08] <monur> abattoir: yes, unfortunately to the same result
[07:08] <Endler> I'm not a big fan of distro mods to standard programs though.
[07:08] <Endler> other than bug fixes
[07:08] <joeshmo> wait a min, is this the kbuntu section, meaning ubuntu using kde
[07:08] <Ayabara_> bah. never mind my Q. it didn't hang there after all
[07:08] <Jucato> Endler: hm... Gentoo? Slack? Arch? (MEPIS maybe?)
[07:08] <monur> abattoir: I also checked the cd for defects, it said 0 checksum errors
[07:08] <abattoir> monur: could you try startx in the console?
[07:08] <Jucato> joeshmo: in a way, yes
[07:08] <amir> kubuntu is KDE
[07:08] <xsacha> CRUX :)
[07:08] <joeshmo> ah
[07:08] <amir> haha yeah
[07:09] <Jucato> amir: actually, Kubuntu is a Linux distribution. KDE is a desktop environment
[07:09] <abattoir> monur: iirc, it's supposed to say something like 'Verification successful/pased"
[07:09] <joeshmo> is there any one for the gnome environment with ubuntu?
[07:09] <Jucato> joeshmo: #ubuntu
[07:09] <Endler> You mean they Kubuntu makes a lot of modifications to programs UI's?
[07:09] <joeshmo> thank you jucato
[07:09] <Jucato> Endler: konqueror mostly. but not much.
[07:09] <Endler> If so why, because otherwise it is working well for me on the notebook, and I plan on staying with it.
[07:09] <Ayabara_> any advice as to how I can fix a dapper->edgy upgrade that went wrong?
[07:10] <xsacha> anyone know what package i need to compile win32 binaries?
[07:10] <Jucato> Endler: same question back at you: why not?
[07:10] <Alphax> xsacha, mingw
[07:10] <xsacha> k
[07:11] <Endler> Why fix something that's not broken, and why would a distro think it can do it better than the team that works on it full-time?
[07:11] <Alphax> http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mingw32.html
[07:11] <Jucato> Endler: each and every distribution have their own goals, their own target users, their own way of doing things. which means that at times, they customize stuff in order to fit those goals
[07:11] <Endler> + it makes it hard to support friends
[07:11] <Alphax> don't know where it is in ubuntu though
[07:11] <Endler> that are not on the exact same distro
[07:11] <Jucato> Endler: the same could be said of every other (major) distro
[07:11] <xsacha> Endler: they arent exactly adding to it, .. they are just moving stuff around to make it suit their distro
[07:11] <monur> abattoir: startx says 'screens found, but none have a usable configuration'
[07:11] <abattoir> !info mingw32
[07:11] <ubotu> mingw32: Minimalist GNU win32 (cross) compiler. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.4.5.20060117.1-1 (edgy), package size 9779 kB, installed size 43168 kB
[07:12] <abattoir> Alphax: ^^^^
[07:12] <monur> abattoir: is it possibly b/c the computer is a wide screen?
[07:12] <Endler> What exactly were they trying to "fix?"
[07:12] <Jucato> Endler: but if you know KDE enough, you'd be able to help them, no matter what distro they use. of course in some cases (like those View Buttons), there might be some confusion
[07:12] <Alphax> yeah
[07:12] <abattoir> monur: no, that shouldn't be a problem
[07:12] <Jucato> Endler: not reallyu "fixing" but catering/customizing. and sometimes fixing too
[07:12] <Jucato> s/reallyu/really
[07:13] <abattoir> monur: this is the normal mode or the safe mode?
[07:13] <xsacha> that "System Settings" thing
[07:13] <monur> safe mode
[07:13] <Endler> Catering to whom?  I can't imagine what the advantage of the mod is.
[07:13] <Jucato> System Settings is *not* a total KControl replacement. it's supposed to be a lightweight settings app. having only the most used stuff
[07:13] <Endler> If it's just that one thing, I'm OK
[07:13] <abattoir> monur: is this very old/bleeding edge hardware?
[07:14] <Endler> I'm just hoping they didn't mod a lot of other programs.
[07:14] <monur> abattoir: it's a toshiba satellite m65
[07:14] <abattoir> monur: the video card
[07:14] <Jucato> Endler: to "regular" desktop users. (and don't give me that argument about "average" joe. you already know what a-seigo said about that)
[07:15] <Jucato> Endler: unfortunately, that's not what Kubuntu does or what Kubuntu wants to do. You just might feel more comfortable with other distros. For example, MEPIS I think rarely does any UI customization (more of code optimization probably). and they're based on Kubuntu. you might want to check that out
[07:15] <Endler> I don't believe the mod makes it easier.
[07:15] <Jucato> Endler: for you maybe not. for others, maybe
[07:16] <Jucato> anyway, this is quite -offtopic stuff so...
[07:16] <amir> Is there a quick way to go to kubuntu from ubuntu instead of downloading, and burning a new ISO?
[07:16] <Endler> Well I've set the regular one up for a lot of "average joes" and none have complained about too many options.
[07:16] <Endler> on the standard config.
[07:17] <monur> abattoir: it's my friend's laptop. I checked the spec on toshiba web site, it says intel graphics media accelerator 900
[07:17] <Endler> I'm already using Frugalware, BTW which makes no mods expect bug fixes.
[07:17] <abattoir> monur: weird, i'd expect it to work fine..
[07:17] <Jucato> amir: if you have a good internet connection (broadband probably), you can just download the necessary packages to install Ubuntu
[07:17] <Endler> But they upgrade at such a furious pace
[07:18] <Jucato> Endler: I think Arch and Gentoo don't make any mods, because *that* is one of their goals
[07:18] <Endler> it's OK for me, but...
[07:18] <Endler> I want another one to recommend
[07:18] <amir> well I want to go to kubuntu from ubuntu Jucato
[07:18] <seishinbyou> amir-> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:18] <amir> fantastic
[07:18] <amir> thank you
[07:18] <Jucato> seishinbyou: er.. other way around
[07:18] <amir> ?
[07:19] <seishinbyou> Heh, he said from Ubuntu to Kubuntu
[07:19] <Jucato> err nvm me
[07:19] <Jucato> yeah I got confused :P
[07:19] <Jucato> sorry amir :)
[07:19] <Endler> So what other mods has kubuntu made that I should be aware off?
[07:19] <Jucato> !hidden | Endler
[07:19] <ubotu> Endler: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[07:19] <amir> Np Jucato, does it switch me over to kubuntu, or will ubuntu still be on my notebook?
[07:20] <Jucato> amir: ubuntu will still be there
[07:20] <amir> how do I choose to run Kubuntu or ubuntu?
[07:20] <Alphax> amir, they're the same distro, just with KDE instead of GNOME
[07:20] <Jucato> Endler: you also have to take note that one of the goals of this release (Edgy) is to try out new stuff, new implementations, etc
[07:20] <monur> abattoir: in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, the previous error is: I810(0): No Video BIOS modes for chosen depth.
[07:20] <Jucato> Endler: so a lot of the changes here are completely new to Kubuntu
[07:21] <amir> Alphax, yeah I was reading about that, I heard Kubuntu is more like windows so its easier for someone who is new to linux. That's why I want to get kubuntu
[07:21] <Alphax> Hrm. I may have been misled.
[07:21] <Endler> I don't care so much about that.  I always have view hidden on anyway.  I'm more concerned about mods to the applications themselves.
[07:21] <seishinbyou> I like KDE anyways.  However, you can choose to use GNOME or KDE at the login screen if you have both installed
[07:22] <Jucato> Endler: none that I remember or know of. And most mods can be reverted. I just haven't asked about that view button
[07:22] <T3hWiz0rd> who missed me? :-)
[07:23] <Jucato> Endler: come to think of it, how do I add that button? (I forgot...)
[07:23] <Endler> Well let me know if you  find out.  :)
[07:23] <Endler> My notebook is running great, so I'd rather not change it :)
[07:23] <sebastian222> I need some help please. In gnome I have an application that let me copy files, etc as sudo always. Is there a way to do this in KDE?
[07:24] <Jucato> sebastian222: run Konqueror as root: press Alt+F2 and type in "kdesu konqueror"
[07:24] <sebastian222> ohh great!
[07:24] <sebastian222> thx
[07:24] <Endler> What button?
[07:24] <Jucato> sebastian222: but be very very careful and remember to close it immediately after you use it
[07:24] <sebastian222> how to close it?
[07:24] <Jucato> Endler: the view mode button (the one that was combined into 1 button from 3 buttons)
[07:24] <xsacha> click X in corner :P
[07:24] <Jucato> :)
[07:25] <sebastian222> ohhh
[07:25] <Jucato> sebastian222: it's just Konqueror launched as root/sudo
[07:25] <sebastian222> it's a new window
[07:25] <sebastian222> sorry didn't noticed that
[07:25] <Napa> !gaim
[07:25] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[07:25] <Endler> You just delete a  couple of kubuntu config files that override the default settings.
[07:25] <Jucato> I don't have the kubuntu defaults :)
[07:25] <Endler> It's listed right on the Kubuntu main page, I think.
[07:26] <Endler> It's on the most frequently asked questions list
[07:26] <yonkeltron> is there a safe way to change the default python version?
[07:26] <abattoir> monur: could you try increasing the shared memory size for the video through the BIOS ?
[07:26] <Endler> Some I'm not alone in hating that mod, I guess ;)
[07:26] <Napa> How can I get gaim in Kubuntu?
[07:26] <Ademan> sudo apt-get gaim?
[07:26] <Jucato> Endler: no. I just chose not to because I'm making my own mods
[07:26] <Jucato> Napa: through Adept or apt-get like what Ademan said
[07:27] <Jucato> Napa: have you tried Kopete?
[07:27] <Napa> I found it
[07:27] <Napa> kopete suxx
[07:27] <abattoir> *sudo apt-get install gaim
[07:27] <xsacha> gah, how do i compile a win32 project then? configure doesnt want to work because it doesnt know how to run a .exe
[07:27] <Endler> Well revert it back the the original and mod it from there.
[07:27] <Endler> Any way you like.
[07:27] <amir> What messaging program do you use in kubuntu then?
[07:27] <xsacha> kopete
[07:27] <Ademan> hey the k3d package failed to install (not k3b, this is a 3d modeling program) and it failed on the post-install script, now whenever i try to do anything with apt it first tries to run that stupid post-install script and it keeps failing and blocking me from doing anything else, including removing the offending package, what can i do?
[07:28] <amir> xsacha, is it any good? can I go on AIM, ICQ, IRC on it?
[07:28] <Jucato> Endler: you might want to remove the package "kubuntu-default-settings" but it may mess up a few stuff (wallpapers, color schemes, login screen, splash screen)
[07:28] <Napa> aMsn is Ok
[07:28] <xsacha> yes amir..
[07:28] <Jucato> Endler: but that gets rid of most of Kubuntu's defaults... including service menus...
[07:28] <amir> alright, thank you
[07:28] <xsacha> and jabber and the rest of them
[07:28] <Endler> I use gaim because that's what I started with and it works well, but I'm sure Kopete is great too.
[07:28] <xsacha> i dont like gaim :P and it was first one i used
[07:29] <Jucato> I never liked GAIM, on Linux or on XP... :(
[07:29] <Endler> 2.0beta4 is good.
[07:29] <xsacha> and it doesnt make much sense running gnome apps on kde.. not with 512MB ram anyway
[07:29] <Endler> Kopete won't do chatrooms, will it?
[07:29] <Endler> Like Yahoo chat?
[07:29] <draik> Is there a deb for firefox 2.0?
[07:30] <Endler> That's why I started with gaim.
[07:30] <xsacha> dont know, i dont have a yahoo account
[07:30] <Jucato> Endler: I think it does now. not 100% sure
[07:30] <Jucato> draik: from the repos I think
[07:30] <draik> Jucato!
[07:30] <Endler> I've been planning on trying it.
[07:30] <draik> Jucato, I have tried that already
[07:30] <draik> "latest version"
[07:30] <draik> or maybe in edgy?
[07:30] <draik> I'm still on drake
[07:30] <Jucato> my Firefox 2.0 is weird too... doesn't save sessions...
[07:30] <Jucato> oh yeah... Edgy only
[07:30] <Endler> Well, I've noticed that Kubuntu moded the control center, BUT still left the old one behind too.
[07:31] <monur> abattoir: thanks, we solved it by changing the driver to vesa in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:31] <Jucato> Endler: no. System Settings is not KControl
[07:31] <xsacha> system settings is: systemsettings
[07:31] <Jucato> Endler: you can still run KControl or put it in the K Menu
[07:31] <Endler> I know.  I'm fine with that cause I can use either.
[07:31] <abattoir> monur: hmm, i thought the safe mode did just that, anyway, it's good if it works :)
[07:32] <Endler> But I did notice the "Storage Devices" is missing.
[07:32] <Jucato> Endler: you can use the search field to look for it
[07:32] <Endler> Where it gives you a bar graph of your partitions usage.
[07:32] <Jucato> huh? I don't think that's Storage Devices
[07:33] <xsacha> grr they dont have handwriting in kopete yet
[07:33] <Endler> It's not a stand alone app.  It's in control center normally
[07:33] <Endler> Where is it in Kubuntu?
[07:33] <Jucato> Endler: can't find one like that in KControl
[07:33] <Endler> I know? :)  Where'd it go? :)
[07:34] <xsacha> last time i installed KDE from source i never saw any storage devices :S
[07:34] <Jucato> neither did I
[07:34] <Endler> That's a useful  one for a quick visual overview of all partitions usage
[07:34] <Jucato> which distro did you use before Kubuntu? they might have added something like that
[07:34] <Endler> Oh, sorry, I meant it is usually part of KInfoCenter
[07:35] <Ademan> hey the k3d package failed to install (not k3b, this is a 3d modeling program) and it failed on the post-install script, now whenever i try to do anything with apt it first tries to run that stupid post-install script and it keeps failing and blocking me from doing anything else, including removing the offending package, what can i do?
[07:35] <Jucato> then it's in KInfoCenter
[07:35] <xsacha> oh, Partitions..? that's not graphical though
[07:35] <Endler> But it's missing in Kubuntu
[07:35] <Jucato> (I think)
[07:35] <Endler> I know.  Usually there is both
[07:35] <Endler> partitions is still there.
[07:35] <Jucato> I don't ever recall it being there at all
[07:35] <xsacha> it could have been an additional package
[07:35] <Jucato> seriously
[07:35] <draik> How do I install the Firefox 2.0?
[07:36] <xsacha> infocenter looks same as it did from source :S
[07:36] <Endler> Maybe.  I wonder what package that would be.
[07:36] <Jucato> Endler: what distro did you use before Kubuntu?
[07:37] <Endler> I'm using Frugalware on my Desktop and now Kubuntu on my notebook.
[07:37] <Jucato> maybe they added a package for that
[07:37] <Jucato> the only thing I know of that does something similar to that is kdf (kdiskfree) but it's a standalone app iirc
[07:38] <Endler> Frugalware is very nice, but they jump the gun at on Xorg an always want to use the very latest even when drivers aren't ready for it.  That's my only beef.
[07:38] <Jucato> draik: maybe the same way you install firefox from .tar.gz...
[07:38] <draik> Jucato, how?
[07:39] <Jucato> !firefox | draik
[07:39] <ubotu> draik: firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[07:39] <xsacha> isnt firefox 2.0 in repository for you? :S or is this dapper?
[07:39] <Jucato> dapper
[07:41] <xsacha> this is kdf: http://www.gentoo-portage.com/up_img/img_800px/742.png
[07:41] <Emess> Jucato: somehow shift-backspac is killing X, and it sint listed in my hotkeys, any idea how to stop it?
[07:41] <Johnsandman> wanna play khangman for my son got this message >> SSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (373) what is wrong
[07:41] <Endler> Yeah, it looks a lot like that.
[07:41] <xsacha> Emess: xmodmap doesnt work? :S
[07:41] <Jucato> Emess: don't know really... and it won't be in the hotkeys because it's not a KDE config. it's an X config
[07:41] <Endler> But is a kinfocenter module
[07:42] <Emess> no, it jsut opens kate with the file at startup xsacha
[07:42] <xsacha> lol
[07:42] <xsacha> you put it in wrong :S
[07:42] <Emess> i did?
[07:42] <Emess> i pasted exactly what you dsid
[07:42] <xsacha> it shouldnt be opening the file, it runs it
[07:44] <Endler> I must say, Adapt sure works a lot smoother than Suse's Yast.
[07:45] <amir> is anyone else as excited for the Borat movie as I am?
[07:45] <Endler> Yast works like it's covered in molasses.
[07:46] <draik> Thank you Jucato
[07:46] <draik> I will get on that ASAP
[07:46] <draik> night
[07:49] <sebastian222> can someones recommend me a good aplication that works like a cxalendar and all that for kde
[07:49] <sebastian222> i mean an organizer
[07:50] <sebastian222> anyone?
[07:51] <cpk1> an organizer?
[07:51] <nino> dont use that sorry
[07:51] <cpk1> like kontact?
[07:51] <sebastian222> something that let you add to do things
[07:51] <sebastian222> i mean like a calendar
[07:52] <nino> knotes??
[07:52] <sebastian222> something like that
[07:52] <nino> so use knotes
[07:52] <sebastian222> is there anything more complete?
[07:52] <sebastian222> i mean with a calendar view and all that
[07:53] <momal> anyone use squid here? or has used it before? the speed limiting doesn't want to work >_<
[07:53] <nino> mabe check freshmeat.net for something
[07:53] <nino> me me me me
[07:53] <sebastian222> ok i will
[07:54] <nino> i've got squid on ipcop only
[07:54] <jel> sebastian222: korganizer (also in kontact)
[07:54] <momal> nino: have you used the delay access stuff under squid before ?
[07:55] <nino> nope ive got a traffic shaping thingy only
[07:55] <nino> srry
[07:56] <jel> sebastian222: korganizer has a fairly complete to-do list with alarms etc.  I find the alarms a bit unreliable, though, which is its only downside.  KArm integrates with it, and will let you time how long you work on things.  It also presents a simpler to-do list in its own right.   There is also KAlarm, KNotes, basket, and ....uhh... some project management app, which is fairly new and unfinished.  For better project management, look
[07:56] <jel> into Planner.
[07:56] <jel> (Planner is for GNOME)
[08:09] <royce> Whats with all the Joining and Leaving -_-;;
[08:09] <nino> ooi donno
[08:09] <nino> looks like a shit change lloll
[08:09] <nino> shift sorry
[08:12] <amir> Could someone tell me how to get window video codes to play in kubuntu?
[08:16] <osiris> !restricted formats > amir
[08:16] <osiris> amir, follow the link ubotu sent you
[08:23] <nino> anyone using frostwire in kubuntu => no connection!!
[08:29] <osiris> i use it.  works fine.  other than the fact the last time i launched it it hard locked my box.
[08:29] <osiris> =)
[08:29] <nino> it wont connect
[08:29] <osiris> checked all your firewalls ?  are the ports forwarded ?
[08:29] <nino> im running a transparent proxy and there should not be a problem
[08:30] <nino> no no port forwarding
[08:30] <osiris> no idea.  i dont use proxies
[08:30] <nino> should i forward the port on my router?
[08:30] <osiris> yes
[08:30] <freewill> wil there be a torrent download for the cd of edgy or just dvd?
[08:31] <nino> i dont have a clue how, but ill try
[08:31] <osiris> nino, the ports are listed in the preferences of frostwire.  Your router, you have to figure out
[08:32] <nino> l
[08:32] <osiris> its not hard though.  if you know how to log into the router, and what your ip is
[08:32] <nino> k
[08:32] <freewill> is there a torrent download for the cd of edgy?
[08:33] <osiris> no idea
[08:33] <nino> logged into my router!!
[08:33] <nino> will it be under inbound services??
[08:33] <osiris> perhaps.
[08:34] <osiris> i have NO idea what kind of router you have
[08:34] <xsacha> under forward ports, firewall or something similar..
[08:34] <nino> netgear, it asks me what service tcp udp??
[08:34] <osiris> if its a linksys it might be under applications and gaming
[08:35] <osiris> nino, probably tcp, but you can write a rule for each protocol just to be sure
[08:35] <nino> yea
[08:42] <avalon> I'm having problems upgrading to edgy from dapper. I've tried doing the dist-upgrade after changing my sources list and that completely fawked everything up. Now I can't even get my linux to boot. I've got my CD of edgy now though. Can I tell it to install over what I screwed up without losing my home directory and my files?
[08:48] <scheuri> g'day all
[08:53] <nino_> had to bypass my ipcop firewall for a connection to frostwire
[08:57] <seishinbyou> Hmm, apart from waiting patiently, is there any way I can help to get the special function keys/combos working on my laptop?
[08:57] <abattoir> seishinbyou: edgy?
[08:58] <seishinbyou> yes
[08:58] <abattoir> i thought it worked ootb
[08:58] <abattoir> seishinbyou: none of them work?
[08:58] <seishinbyou> For most "normal" PCs, yes
[08:58] <seishinbyou> This is the obscure laptop from J-land, though
[08:58] <seishinbyou> Some of them work
[08:58] <seishinbyou> the ones I really would like don't
[08:59] <seishinbyou> Brightness/Contrast, Eject CD, external monitor display
[08:59] <abattoir> seishinbyou: those work or don't work?
[08:59] <seishinbyou> don't
[08:59] <seishinbyou> oh, volume, too
[09:00] <abattoir> hmm,afaik brightness control is directly relayed to the h/w
[09:00] <abattoir> seishinbyou: which make/model?
[09:01] <seishinbyou> LaVie LN502C
[09:01] <abattoir> or is it something too advanced that hasn't hit the rest of the world
[09:01] <abattoir> oh :P
[09:01] <seishinbyou> Also, widescreen res, but I got that working
[09:01] <seishinbyou> 1280x600
[09:02] <abattoir> you mean 800?
[09:02] <seishinbyou> no, 600
[09:02] <seishinbyou> Same as the libretto L1
[09:02] <abattoir> seishinbyou: maybe setting the keyboard model to "Japanese 106-key" would work?
[09:03] <abattoir> seishinbyou: in Kcontrol->Keyb. Layout->Keyb. model
[09:03] <seishinbyou> I tried already; that is what I am using atm
[09:03] <seishinbyou> since I do work in a JP environment
[09:03] <seishinbyou> I tried setting it to a US layout for fun, but no luck
[09:05] <abattoir> seishinbyou: do the brightness keys work before linux is loaded? or in windows?
[09:05] <seishinbyou> The brightness keys work in Windows, but not anywhere else
[09:05] <seishinbyou> I can use the external monitor switch key in Windows and at the Grub bootloader actually, but not when Kubuntu is loading or is loaded up
[09:07] <seishinbyou> The CD Eject system on this is just bizarre, though.
[09:08] <bianconeri> hi is there a way to install moodbar in amarok via apt-get?
[09:08] <abattoir> bianconeri: nope
[09:09] <abattoir> bianconeri: you'd have to compile w/ the flag on, but i think there were some issues w/ it, hence it's temporarily suspended or something like that
[09:09] <bianconeri> So I should wait on it?
[09:09] <B-Minus> I have difficulties installing certificates in firefox, does anyone get a downloadscreen on this page ? https://citrix.essers.com/Citrix/MetaFrame/default/rootcertificate.html
[09:11] <abattoir> bianconeri: i think so, try asking at #amarok
[09:14] <justin_> Can anybody help me with a problem
[09:14] <justin_> ?
[09:14] <seishinbyou> depends on your problem :)
[09:14] <justin_> Ok
[09:14] <justin_> It has to do with a edgy upgrade
[09:14] <Mike2k6> we can try :-p
[09:14] <justin_> I just up graded
[09:14] <justin_> like 20 minutes ago
[09:14] <seishinbyou> and...
[09:14] <Mike2k6> from? to?
[09:14] <justin_> and now my damn raid wont load
[09:14] <justin_> 6.06
[09:15] <Mike2k6> from drap to edgy
[09:15] <justin_> from dapper to edgy
[09:15] <Mike2k6> hrm
[09:15] <justin_> yes
[09:15] <abattoir> seishinbyou: is it an NEC?
[09:15] <justin_> Umm
[09:15] <justin_> One sec
[09:16] <Electrolyte> Do people who go from 32-bit to 64-bit feel any speed increase?
[09:16] <seishinbyou> abattoir: Yes, but I can't find my model on the JP pages anymore...too old, maybe?
[09:16] <stanley> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[09:16] <seishinbyou> justin_: is it related to this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/52740
[09:16] <abattoir> seishinbyou: found something on MX LX 60T/7
[09:17] <seishinbyou> abattoir: Well, different model, but if it will help...
[09:17] <abattoir> wow, what complicated names NEC LaVie MX LX60T/7
[09:17] <abattoir> seishinbyou: nothing useful http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~jcl/linux/lavie/nec_lavie.html
[09:18] <justin_> I dont think so
[09:18] <seishinbyou> Meh, but at least I know this isn't the only model with suspend/hibernate issues
[09:18] <justin_> I will type the error message
[09:19] <justin_> this comes up when I attempt to enable it through disk and fs undersystem settings
[09:20] <justin_> The system reported: mount: wronf fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/md0
[09:20] <justin_> missing codepage or other error
[09:20] <justin_> (could this be the device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)
[09:21] <justin_> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
[09:21] <justin_> I cannot format this raid
[09:22] <justin_> It is out of the question
[09:22] <justin_> any suggustions
[09:22] <abattoir> seishinbyou: yeah, but that's redhat 7.1, the world has changed a lot since then ;)
[09:22] <eilker> when i open computer instead of kde login screen, console comes in front of me, whe i write startx , it says "xauth: creating new authority file" "user not authrized to run x server" i close console, kde login screen comes, it doesnt accept my password, from menu i say go to console, and i write startx in console, than i am able to get desktop....any idea pls ?
[09:23] <seishinbyou> abattoir: Yes, I agree, but I still have issues with hibernate/suspend.  It blows my coworker's mind because hibernate/suspend has always worked on his laptop
[09:24] <justin_> seishinbyou ?
[09:24] <justin_> any ideas
[09:24] <seishinbyou> justin_:  I'm not sure what to say.  I am googling around and find nothing but problems with RAID on edgy : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/68308
[09:24] <seishinbyou> I'm still searching
[09:24] <justin_> ok
[09:24] <justin_> well is there a way to unupgrade
[09:27] <seishinbyou> I don't think there is a nice way to downgrade without breaking more packages along the way
[09:27] <jel> justin_: not en masse, no.  You can download individual packages and install them.  There's probably a way to specify which version you want to install with apt-get install, too.   apt-get install packagename=version, maybe?
[09:27] <justin_> What did you just say?
[09:27] <justin_> I am sorry
[09:28] <justin_> Individual packages?
[09:28] <justin_> I just want my raid to work
[09:28] <jel> justin_: the big problem is, the packages only have information about compatibility with older versions, so they don't know what newer packages have to be removed etc.
[09:28] <justin_> All of my school shit is on it
[09:28] <eilker> help pls, what is this dump xorg for ??when i open computer instead of kde login screen, console comes in front of me, whe i write startx , it says "xauth: creating new authority file" "user not authrized to run x server" i close console, kde login screen comes, it doesnt accept my password, from menu i say go to console, and i write startx in console, than i am able to get desktop....any idea pls ?
[09:28] <jel> justin_: what's wrong with your raid?
[09:28] <duane> hey does adept update crash for anyone else on startup?
[09:28] <duane> i get this little green icon in the tray which closes at startup
[09:29] <justin_> It just wont load after I upgraded to edgy from dapper
[09:29] <jel> duane: adept is crap.  Use synaptic (or aptitude)
[09:29] <justin_> It wont mount
[09:29] <justin_> It worked perfectly fine with dapper
[09:29] <duane> jel: i dont believe in not using package managers that come with the distro
[09:29] <jel> justin_: ahh, I think I saw other people discussing that on the ubuntu forums.  You might want to search for it and see what's being said.
[09:29] <justin_> ok
[09:30] <duane> and i like adept better than synaptic :/
[09:30] <jel> duane: it's a different interface to exactly the same package management system; not dangerous at all.
[09:30] <duane> but it's gtk
[09:30] <jel> duane: and, I do agree, with the likes of rpm or smart
[09:30] <justin_> what should I search
[09:30] <jel> duane: I know, it sucks.  But honestly, it's your best option right now.
[09:30] <duane> lol
[09:30] <duane> you're right :(
[09:31] <duane> well no
[09:31] <duane> actually
[09:31] <duane> i haven't used synaptic in awhile
[09:31] <duane> does it have something that catches updates?
[09:31] <duane> i cant remember
[09:31] <duane> it's not adept that is out of wack it's adept updater
[09:31] <jel> justin_:  if you go to slashdot, and search for edgy upgrade, you should find a recent story that links to the discussions.
[09:32] <scheuri> jel: you mean the story which is completely useless? ;)
[09:32] <jel> duane: on gnome, yes.  There is another tool, which emails you when updates are available.  Install synaptic, and use it to find apt utilities :)
[09:33] <duane> yea i just need something that catches updates
[09:33] <duane> i dont need anything else flooding my emails
[09:33] <jel> scheuri: stories aren't useless, they're the conveyors of wisdom though the ages!   But... what's useless about it?  ;)
[09:33] <duane> i like adept updater i dont know why its broken in edgy
[09:34] <duane> ok next problem
[09:34] <scheuri> jel: in my opinion its just another "upgrading" story...which has no valid background at all....people are talking "yes it worked" and "no, it didnt"...but most of them do not provide any details of their cofiguration
[09:35] <Mike2k6> kdevelop does not come with a compiler does it?
[09:35] <duane> why does flash 9 crash my web browsers after about 10 minutes of browsing every time?
[09:35] <scheuri> duane: because flash 9 is beta?
[09:35] <duane> Mike2k6: i THINK installing kdevelop thru a package manager will install gcc
[09:35] <jel> scheuri: agreed.  It does provide a relatively easy to find link to the details of one upgrader's issues though, if I remember correctly, and that mentions the raid problem that justin_ is having.
[09:35] <duane> i cant remember tho
[09:36] <duane> only distro i've used kdevelop on is fedora
[09:36] <duane> and i think fedora comes with gcc
[09:36] <duane> i dont know why ubuntu doesnt ship with gcc and g++
[09:36] <duane> scheuri: i know that but jeez
[09:36] <jel> duane: probably because it's new and has bugs.
[09:36] <scheuri> jel: ah, okay...the raid issue...its actually the only real proven thing...everything else ist just "blabla"
[09:37] <Mike2k6> duane, i dont think it came with gcc, is that gnu cc by chance?
[09:37] <scheuri> duane: it does ship with it...but it is not installed by default
[09:37] <jel> scheuri: yeah, mostly it's people who screwed with their setups and then expected ubuntu to magically upgrade for them.
[09:37] <Mike2k6> guess ill sudo apt-get install gcc
[09:37] <Mike2k6> lol
[09:37] <duane> scheuri: you know what i mean
[09:37] <justin_> So am I just fucked
[09:38] <duane> Mike2k6: cant remember
[09:38] <scheuri> duane: no, sorry...I dont....you said shipped...but if it is asked to much to install it manually, then...I dont knoe
[09:38] <justin_> I read multiple threads and all they consisted of were people complaining about raids being broken
[09:38] <scheuri> *know
[09:38] <jel> scheuri: although, if we had decent config tools, like a section/key/value system for settings, upgrades would be a lot less painful than the package manager not understanding modified config files.
[09:39] <seishinbyou> Well, I don't know if you are completely screwed, but I honestly don't know what to suggest at this exact moment besides keep reading/searching
[09:39] <duane> scheuri: not really, but i still dont see why something that comes standard already installed on most distros isnt on ubuntu
[09:39] <jel> justin_: on the ubuntu site, or slashdot?  People will complain on slashdot, but hopefully answers will appear on the ubuntu forums
[09:39] <duane> especially when most users are nerd programmers anyway :P
[09:39] <justin_> yeah
[09:39] <scheuri> jel: well, I personally would first try to find out how the sources.list of the people looks who had troubles upgrading...:)...maybe lots of other repos? universe causing problems? dont know
[09:39] <scheuri> duane: well, ubuntu AFAIK said its a security issue
[09:40] <jel> scheuri: yeah, possibly :)
[09:40] <duane> a security issue to have gcc installed?
[09:40] <duane> lol
[09:40] <justin_> Ok well one more question
[09:40] <scheuri> duane: you do run servers exposed to the internet, right?
[09:40] <jel> scheuri: raid isn't used for security reasons?!
[09:40] <scheuri> jel: beg your pardon?
[09:40] <jel> scheuri: what's a security issue?
[09:41] <duane> i dunno, it just seems weird to have a distro of which you cant compile things from source after a fresh installations
[09:41] <duane> installation*
[09:41] <duane> that just doesn't seem linuxy to me
[09:41] <jel> duane: you can compile everything on debian from source, if you like
[09:41] <jel> duane: except firmware binaries :)
[09:41] <justin_> if I format my main hdd and reinstall dapper is it possible that my raid would work
[09:41] <scheuri> duane: well, imagin someone is getting access to your server (throug apache, php, openssh, telnet, whatsoever), but has "only" user access...it can't compile malicious software and can't either install gcc to do so
[09:42] <Mike2k6> justin_, if it worked before, then i dont see why not, as long as you know how to configure it
[09:42] <scheuri> jel: I would like to point out that installing gcc by default (on servers) may turn out to be a security issue
[09:42] <justin_> no
[09:42] <justin_> I havent had to do it before
[09:42] <jel> scheuri: ooh, right.  Yeah, it's not as if apt-get install build-essential is hard for someone who plans to use gcc
[09:42] <scheuri> jel: therefore I do not see the harm of not installing it by default but let the "administrator" install it manually and make him therefore aware of that
[09:43] <eilker> help pls, what is this  xorg for ??when i open computer instead of kde login screen, console comes in front of me, when i write startx , it says "xauth: creating new authority file" "user not authrized to run x server" i close console, kde login screen comes, it doesnt accept my password, from menu i say go to console, and i write startx in console, than i am able to get desktop....any idea pls ?
[09:43] <scheuri> jel: of course its not hard...but to install anything you need to be root or sudo-user...but when installed, everyone can use gcc
[09:43] <justin_> If I format the drive I have kubutu installed onto and reinstall will It destroy my software raid?
[09:43] <jel> scheuri: no, I really was agreeing with you.  I don't do sarcasm :)
[09:44] <Mike2k6> is kdevelop for c or c++?
[09:44] <duane> [02:42]  <jel> scheuri: ooh, right.  Yeah, it's not as if apt-get install build-essential is hard for someone who plans to use gcc
[09:44] <duane> it's not hard
[09:44] <scheuri> jel: ah, okay...thanks....it sounded quite sarcastic for a second...:)
[09:44] <duane> but it was just weird to me
[09:44] <jel> Mike2k6: c, c++, python, ruby, and others
[09:44] <duane> are there any of distros that dont come with gcc installed?
[09:44] <Mike2k6> jel, well isnt gcc a compiler just for c?
[09:44] <Mike2k6> duane, edgy doesnt.
[09:44] <scheuri> duane: I must admit that I dont know if there are others...
[09:44] <jel> duane: debian :)
[09:45] <scheuri> jel: yes, debian...how could I forget...:)
[09:45] <duane> hrm when i try to do apt-get install build-essential it asks me for the kubuntu cd
[09:46] <duane> too bad i lost it :(
[09:46] <jel> Mike2k6: nope, gcc is a compiler front end, which does c, c++, asm, and a few others.  But kdevelop just uses GCC, it doesn't depend on it for basic functionality, or  it exclusively
[09:46] <scheuri> duane: that is because the first line of your sources.list is still pointing to your CD-ROM
[09:46] <jel> duane: your /etc/apt/sources.list is using the CD sources.  You'll need to remove the cd lines and make it just look on the net for packages
[09:46] <Mike2k6> jel, i guess im going to need to download gcc then, the website im looking at only refers to gcc as a 'c' compiler, not as a multi compiler.
[09:46] <scheuri> duane: if you comment that line out and do a "sudo aptitude update" it will automatically take it from internet
[09:46] <duane> ic
[09:46] <Mike2k6> jel, i got kedevelop installed
[09:47] <jel> Mike2k6: it's wrong :)
[09:47] <jel> Mike2k6: and all you need to do is apt-get install kdevelop build-essential
[09:47] <duane> grr seems like us.archive.ubuntu.com is down
[09:47] <scheuri> duane: really?
[09:47] <jel> Mike2k6: Oh, just build-essential then
[09:47] <duane> scheuri: i cant d/l from it right now
[09:47] <Mike2k6> jel, oh? thanks, im a beginner programmer, im going to teach myself c++ lol, i know al ittle bit of js2e and alot of html so ya.
[09:48] <scheuri> duane: try again...I can ping it now (could not ping it a second ago)
[09:48] <duane> is it just me or does kdevelop suck?
[09:48] <jel> Mike2k6: if you want to try everything that kdevel is capable of, you should look at the packages it recommends, and install those too.
[09:48] <jel> duane: it's just you.
[09:48] <Mike2k6> jel, ok cool, do you use kdevelop?
[09:48] <scheuri> duane: kdevelop sucks? compared to what?
[09:48] <duane> Mike2k6: i would just honestly use kate for now
[09:49] <scheuri> there is also eclipse if you dare...;)
[09:49] <duane> i'm a .NET programmer that uses Visual Studio 2005 at work
[09:49] <fatherfork> any intel mac users in here?
[09:49] <duane> compared to Visual Studio...
[09:49] <duane> kdevelop is ass
[09:49] <jel> duane: that's true; I just use kate.
[09:49] <Mike2k6> duane, already got kdevelop installed, kate is a basic text editor, kdevelop will give me the pretty colors i want
[09:49] <duane> id rather just use kate
[09:49] <jel> duane: a lot of people think VS is ass :)
[09:49] <duane> Mike2k6: kate will too
[09:49] <scheuri> duane: well, I do not shoot anyone who is just stuck to one programm and is not able to get used to another...;)
[09:50] <duane> scheuri: i can get used to another. i find eclipse great for java
[09:50] <Mike2k6> i build comps at my job :-\
[09:50] <duane> kdevelop is just...i dunno i cant explain it
[09:50] <scheuri> Mike2k6: really? I could need one...;)
[09:50] <scheuri> okay, sorry...that is all offtopic now...my bad
[09:51] <Mike2k6> scheuri, haha, ya i build probably around 100, give or take a few a day.
[09:51] <jel> duane: then it's a personal preference, not a fact that will affect others.
[09:51] <duane> jel: so tru
[09:51] <jel> Mike2k6: wow.
[09:51] <duane> that's why i asked "is it me"
[09:51] <Mike2k6> jel, which is more newb friendly?
[09:51] <jel> Mike2k6: that's a lot :)
[09:51] <Mike2k6> jel,  yes it is lol
[09:51] <jel> Mike2k6: I guess you just do one part of it though?
[09:51] <fdoving> scheuri, mike2k6, #kubuntu-offtopic could need some more users :)
[09:52] <scheuri> fdoving: yes, sorry...
[09:52] <duane> Mike2k6: if i were you i would just use kate for now to start learning c++
[09:52] <duane> but that's just me
[09:52] <Mike2k6> jel, nah the whole deal, including labels, coa, drives, proc, heatsink, cables, cards
[09:52] <fdoving> scheuri: don't be, just bring the discussion to #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[09:52] <scheuri> anyone a problem? then brrrriiiinnnggg it ooooooon
[09:52] <scheuri> :)
[09:52] <Mike2k6> jel, i just build them though, no software installation involved.
[09:52] <momal> hmm i just formated a drive into ext3 and it auto used up 3.9gb wth :S
[09:52] <duane> scheuri: adept crashes when kde starts up
[09:52] <duane> fix that for me
[09:53] <duane> adept updater i mean
[09:53] <Mike2k6> jel,  we just plug them into giant racks with network cords in em to download the software.
[09:53] <jel> I see :)
[09:53] <scheuri> duane: what KDE are you using?
[09:53] <jel> Mike2k6: PXE I guess?
[09:53] <Mike2k6> jel, yes sir
[09:53] <duane> scheuri: whichever comes with edgy i forget
[09:53] <xsacha> 3.5.5
[09:53] <Mike2k6> PXE!
[09:53] <Mike2k6> lol
[09:54] <scheuri> duane: ah, sorry..no edgy stuff for me...I give edgy a few month to get stable...*coughs*...I am still on dapper
[09:54] <jel> Mike2k6: sounds very efficient :)   What company is it, can I ask?
[09:54] <Mike2k6> jel, DELL
[09:54] <duane> scheuri: that was a good idea lol
[09:54] <jel> Thought as much :)
[09:54] <momal> xsacha: should formating into ext3 take up 3.9 gb?
[09:54] <duane> but i wanted to finally use my usb soundcard on linux
[09:54] <jel> Anyways.  gotta go.  bbl
[09:54] <Mike2k6> jel, yep dirty dirty work goes on there though haha
[09:54] <xsacha> momal: what size is your ahrd drive
[09:54] <Mike2k6> jel, later
[09:54] <duane> would never work with dapper
[09:54] <duane> works with edgy
[09:54] <xsacha> momal: by default ext will reserve 5%
[09:54] <xsacha> you can remove that
[09:54] <scheuri> momal: actually no...but...do you have dual boot? what for you want to use that partition of 3.9 gb?
[09:55] <xsacha> i think his hard drive is 80gb
[09:55] <momal> xsacha: well the harddrive is 80gb (but then its acualy like 75gb due to how companys say it) but now its only got like 71gb free
[09:55] <scheuri> xsacha: bingo...:)
[09:55] <xsacha> yes momal, that's reserved
[09:55] <xsacha> choose -m 0 when you write as ext3
[09:55] <xsacha> tunef2fs -m 0
[09:55] <scheuri> momal: that means you took the whole harddisk as one partition, right?
[09:56] <xsacha> if you've made it already
[09:56] <eilker> help pls, what is this dump xorg for ??when i open computer instead of kde login screen, console comes in front of me, whe i write startx , it says "xauth: creating new authority file" "user not authrized to run x server" i close console, kde login screen comes, it doesnt accept my password, from menu i say go to console, and i write startx in console, than i am able to get desktop....any idea pls ?
[09:56] <xsacha> momal: tune2fs -m 0 /dev/hd??
[09:56] <scheuri> xsacha: is it a good idea to put that reserve to 0?
[09:56] <momal> yea whoel harddisk as one parttion.. its for an extra space to copy some stuff on for a friend.... so im currently sitting at 830gb lol
[09:56] <xsacha> then you will have 100% of your hard drive
[09:57] <amir> does anyone here know much about wireless?
[09:57] <momal> xsacha: thanks :)
[09:57] <scheuri> momal: ah, so you dont boot from that disk...its just extraspace which will be mounted somewhere in a existing install=
[09:57] <momal> yup
[09:57] <xsacha> the 5% is just reserved blocks for root, you do not need it
[09:59] <eilker> newbie here, could someone pls check my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29846/ ??
[09:59] <Mike2k6> i installed build essential but i didnt see anything go into the menu's, i need gcc to compile my work on develop so i can see it
[10:00] <duane> gcc wont be in the menus
[10:00] <Jucato> Mike2k6: you won't see it in the menus since gcc is a command line app
[10:00] <Mike2k6> Jucato, oh?
[10:00] <duane> cause it's going to be a bitch just to learn your way around the kdevelop interface
[10:00] <duane> teach yourself the language first
[10:01] <Jucato> Mike2k6: yes. some apps might use it in the background, like KDevelop perhaps.
[10:01] <Jucato> but you GCC itself from the command line
[10:01] <Mike2k6> duane, im just typing in the text file and clicking save...
[10:01] <Mike2k6> Jucato, im using kdev
[10:01] <duane> then it makes even more since to use kate
[10:01] <Jucato> duane: some people learn using a text editor, some using an IDE. they can learn the language either way
[10:01] <Mike2k6> duane, its cause kate is a girl name...
[10:02] <duane> Mike2k6: lol
[10:02] <scheuri> heheh
[10:02] <Mike2k6> Jucato, so i type like compile new1
[10:02] <Jucato> Kate = KDE Advanced Text Editor
[10:02] <scheuri> Jucato: still sounds a gorl...;)
[10:02] <Jucato> Mike2k6: something like "gcc <file>"
[10:02] <scheuri> *girl
[10:02] <eilker> i hope someone answers me http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29847/
[10:02] <Mike2k6> kk
[10:02] <Jucato> Katie is supposed to be Konqi's girlfriend...
[10:03] <Jucato> I don't know if katie == kate
[10:03] <duane> i remember a slashdot article about this learning a language using an ide vs. text editor issue
[10:03] <duane> lemme see if i can dig it up
[10:03] <Mike2k6> hey whenever i save a file in kdevelop what is the extension on it?
[10:03] <Mike2k6> ex the file name is new1
[10:03] <Mike2k6> so new1.c?
[10:03] <duane> depends on the language
[10:04] <Mike2k6> c++
[10:04] <duane> .cpp
[10:04] <Jucato> duane: maybe for some an IDE gets in the way, for some it helps. it's personal preference
[10:04] <eilker> test , people do u see this message, i am connected or not ??
[10:04] <duane> Jucato: i see
[10:04] <Mike2k6> eilker, sorry, your not connected.
[10:04] <Jucato> Mike2k6: you'll use g++ rather than gcc then
[10:04] <Mike2k6> Jucato, someone told me you can use gcc.....
[10:04] <Mike2k6> duane, liers...
[10:04] <Jucato> eilker: we can look at your xorg.conf all day, but you have to tell us if there's anything wrong in the first lace
[10:05] <Jucato> Mike2k6: ah yeah you can I guess
[10:05] <scheuri> eilker: try to run dpkg-reconfigure debconf and choose "dialog"
[10:05] <Mike2k6> Jucato, what do i save a file as to do the c++ thing?
[10:05] <fdoving> hi jucato. :)
[10:05] <Jucato> hi fdoving!
[10:05] <Mike2k6> duane, you win ill use kate, jerk......
[10:05] <Mike2k6> lol
[10:05] <duane> lol
[10:05] <scheuri> eilker: that should at least kill some error messages
[10:05] <Jucato> Mike2k6: err dunno :)
[10:05] <duane> Mike2k6: read http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/21/0340220
[10:05] <eilker> scheuri: it gives errors,
[10:05] <Jucato> haven't done C/C++ in a long time...
[10:05] <duane> losts of good reasons why you shouldn't use an IDE to start off with
[10:06] <duane> lots*
[10:06] <eilker> my problem is,  when i open computer instead of kde login screen, console comes in front of me, whe i write startx , it says "xauth: creating new authority file" "user not authrized to run x server" i close console, kde login screen comes, it doesnt accept my password, from menu i say go to console, and i write startx in console, than i am able to get desktop....any idea pls ?
[10:06] <Jucato> and last time I did it was with Turbo C
[10:06] <Mike2k6> duane, im reading c++ tutorials at the moment lol
[10:06] <eilker> and i think that, it is related with xorg.conf
[10:06] <Jucato> er... I'm not really that interested in reading /. articles...
[10:06] <scheuri> eilker: try "sudo kdm" when on command line
[10:06] <Jucato> sorry, /. comments I mean
[10:06] <duane> what? /. comments > *
[10:07] <Jucato> :P
[10:07] <Jucato> like I said, personal preference
[10:07] <duane> digg.com comments i could see you know wanting to waste time with hehe
[10:07] <scheuri> Jucato: is not a real geek then...;)
[10:07] <duane> scheuri: exactly what i was thinking
[10:07] <eilker> scheuri: i tried, it asks password, and nothing happens
[10:07] <Jucato> if that's the criteria, then no I'm not
[10:08] <scheuri> eilker: okay...what about "sudo startx"
[10:08] <momal> hmm what should be set to make another user ability to edit/delete files on my new harddrive ? (ext3)
[10:08] <momal> seems it doesnt' want to allow it >_<
[10:08] <momal> under root i can :p
[10:08] <eilker> scheuri: nothing happens, by the way , now i am using kubuntu
[10:08] <scheuri> momal: have a look at /etc/fstab for how to mount your harddrive....other paritions of harddrives will use "users" as parameter...that is what you want
[10:09] <scheuri> eilker: hmmmm...did you upgrade from dapper to edgy?
[10:09] <eilker> scheuri: yes i did,
[10:09] <Mike2k6> mike@Mikes-desktop:~$ gcc test
[10:09] <Mike2k6> test: file not recognized: File format not recognized
[10:09] <Mike2k6> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[10:09] <eilker> scheuri: and i have apache2 working background, and mysql,and php
[10:09] <scheuri> eilker: okay...the stuff you pasted is actually not very usefull, you need to post your xorg.conf
[10:10] <scheuri> eilker: that means everything is fine except your Xorg
[10:10] <eilker> scheuri: here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29847/
[10:11] <scheuri> eilker: no...that is NOT your config-file of xorg.conf
[10:11] <scheuri> eilker: that are "only" the error messages
[10:11] <eilker> scheuri: so sorry  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29846/
[10:13] <fdoving> eilker: can you try to run 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg' - looks like debconf have problems configuring your xserver-xorg package.
[10:13] <scheuri> eilker: make this a "sudo aptitude install --reinstall xserver-xorg"
[10:13] <scheuri> fdoving: sorry for interrupting...
[10:14] <fdoving> scheuri: please continue, i'm pretending to do some other work here :)
[10:14] <scheuri> fdoving: heh, easy...it is just that aptitude can handle dependencies a bit better...
[10:15] <fdoving> scheuri: i prefer apt-get :)
[10:15] <scheuri> :)
[10:16] <scheuri> eilker: furthermore...when issuing the command dpkg-reconfigure there is a tool called "debconf" started...which now is ordered to show its graphics on X-server...you can change that to make it shown on command line easier
[10:16] <eilker> scheuri: i did it and got many errors ,see pls http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29848/
[10:16] <B-Minus> hmmz
[10:17] <eilker> fdoving: i did it and got many errors ,see pls http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29848/
[10:17] <B-Minus> how come I have like 3 browers installed by default .. firefox, mozilla-firefox, mozilla
[10:17] <B-Minus> whats up with that
[10:17] <scheuri> oh my...we are kind of stuck here
[10:17] <duane> uninstall all of them
[10:17] <duane> and install opera
[10:18] <scheuri> eilker: okay...the lines with "X Error" are mainly because the tool "debconf" is called and that tool is ordered to use X as graphical interface right now...and that does not work....
[10:18] <scheuri> eilker: gimme a second
[10:18] <eilker> scheuri: ok sir
[10:19] <fdoving> eilker: 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall debconf'
[10:19] <scheuri> eilker: if you call me sir just one more time.....arrrr...:)
[10:20] <eilker> scheuri: i say to my friends too:))
[10:20] <scheuri> fdoving: probably wont work as then again (for install preparation) debconf is called which wont work....
[10:20] <fdoving> scheuri: debconf isn't called when re-installing debconf.
[10:20] <scheuri> fdoving: oh...okay...
[10:22] <eilker> fdoving: i did it and....  ,see pls http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29849/
[10:23] <scheuri> fdoving: the first few lines indicates that debconf or some sort of pre-dialog is started....
[10:24] <scheuri> eilker: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=dialog debconf"
[10:25] <momal> garr copying hd->hd kills my box lol!
[10:25] <scheuri> momal: seems that DMA is not enabled?
[10:26] <momal> dma ?
[10:26] <scheuri> DMA = Direct Memory Access (go get wikipedia)
[10:26] <eilker> scheuri: i did it,
[10:26] <scheuri> eilker: any error messages?
[10:27] <eilker> scheuri: no error during doing it
[10:27] <scheuri> eilker: okay...try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" again
[10:28] <momal> hmm how fast should i beable to copy between 2 ide harddrives?
[10:28] <eilker> scheuri: same errors like before :(
[10:28] <momal> both 7200 rpm
[10:28] <scheuri> eilker: really?....arrrrrr
[10:28] <eilker> scheuri: yes...
[10:28] <scheuri> eilker: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -f dialog debconf"
[10:29] <fdoving> scheuri: add '-plow' maybe.
[10:29] <scheuri> momal: that depends on a lot of things....
[10:29] <eilker> scheuri: same things...
[10:30] <scheuri> fdoving: I dont know that parameter...
[10:30] <momal> scheuri: cpu: amd x2 4200, 2gb ram... pretty much nothing using cpu
[10:30] <scheuri> eilker: it seems to ignore the frontend-thingy
[10:30] <fdoving> scheuri: priority, -plow sets the priority threshold of questions asked.
[10:30] <scheuri> momal: well, I was merely speaking about stuff like DMA, Harddisk-parameters and stuff...hdparm is your friend...:)
[10:31] <fdoving> eilker: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow -freadline debconf'
[10:31] <scheuri> fdoving: oooh...-plow in one word?
[10:31] <fdoving> scheuri: yes.
[10:31] <scheuri> eilker: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -fdialog debconf" then...maybe that works...then we stard with plow ;)
[10:33] <momal> wholy crap
[10:33] <momal> talk about speed increase with dma
[10:33] <scheuri> momal: heh
[10:33] <eilker> scheuri: same things....dont we have a repair tool for system files in kubuntu, like in xp. what happens if i reinstall kubuntu again ?
[10:33] <momal> i was getting 8-11mb/s now im getting 31 :D
[10:34] <scheuri> eilker: do you have your data on a seperate partition?
[10:34] <eilker> scheuri: hda1 and hda5 are win xp, and hda7 is kubuntu
[10:34] <scheuri> eilker: do you have any data on hda7?
[10:35] <intelikey> what do you do when you get a hacker by the tail ???
[10:35] <eilker> scheuri: of course i have data , will kubuntu format hda7 when i reinstall it ??
[10:35] <scheuri> eilker: yes....
[10:36] <scheuri> eilker: like windows would do
[10:36] <eilker> scheuri: nope windows does not format
[10:36] <intelikey> eilker depends if hda7 is / or not...
[10:36] <eilker> intelikey: it is root
[10:36] <scheuri> eilker: well, if your system and personal data is on same partition (eg. c:) and then you reinstall windows...I dont think there is much left
[10:37] <intelikey> no he's not....
[10:37] <scheuri> eilker: but that is another story...sorry...I am out of ideas..I am still on dapper though
[10:37] <intelikey> eilker root as in /  then yes it will be formated.
[10:38] <eilker> scheuri: ok friend, i cant lose my datas , and all downloaded updates:) and i cant listen to music too now, it says xine cannot be started
[10:38] <eilker> scheuri: is it also releated with xorg?
[10:39] <livingdaylight> anyone know how Firefox knows to choose one application like Totem over another? Trying to get it to open a link with VLC coz Totem can't
[10:40] <livingdaylight> In System/Preference/Preffered Applications all one can change is browser and email clients. Be nice to see a whole list of preferred options
[10:40] <intelikey> tried right click open with ?
[10:41] <intelikey> oh that's konq
[10:41] <fdoving> eilker: before deleting anything. can you run 'sudo nano /var/cache/debconf/config.dat' - hit ctrl-w to search, and search for 'Name: debconf/frontend' - what does the Value: line say?
[10:41] <intelikey> nm
[10:41] <scheuri> eilker: yes...everything that somehow needs graphics (such as xine) is releated to XORG as this is the X-Server....
[10:41] <Jucato> that's firefox's problem... not kde's :P
[02:57] (Th3_Cr0up13R/#kubuntu) hope its not too big
[02:57] (astronaute/#kubuntu) xsacha:  I have for sure : libsdl-perl, perl , libc6, libsdl-mixer1.2
[02:57] <astronaute> perlapi dunno whats that
[02:58] <xsacha> libsdl1.2debian?
[02:58] <astronaute> eh debian
[02:58] <astronaute> sec
[02:58] <Th3_Cr0up13R> even if i did the get update it still says that i got dapper ?!
[02:58] <astronaute> yes
[02:58] <astronaute> have it too
[02:59] <xsacha> Th3_Cr0up13R: i don't understand.. of course you have dapper, update doesnt change that, you're thinking dist-upgrade
[02:59] <astronaute> Th3_Cr0up13R:  you want to UPGRADE no UPDATE ?
[02:59] <Th3_Cr0up13R> ooo right
[03:00] <Th3_Cr0up13R> on the get update i got some hit and an address does that mean i do something with them or does it just show me where it got the stuff
[03:00] <xsacha> yeah they should all be hit
[03:01] <xsacha> just shows you where you d/led package info from
[03:01] <astronaute> Th3_Cr0up13R:   basicly if you dont install stuff manually, just change dapper to edgy in /etc/apt/sources.lst and do a : apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:01] <xsacha> astronaute: find where all your fb_stuff.pm's are? (in frozen-bubble directory..)
[03:02] <kuid87> scusate un programma per emulare i cd tipo daemon
[03:02] <xsacha> have one in: ~/frozen-bubble-2.0.0/save_virgin/fb_stuff.pm ?
[03:02] <xsacha> where ~ is wherever you installed it to
[03:02] <xsacha> should also have fb_stuff.pm in: /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/fb_stuff.pm
[03:03] <Th3_Cr0up13R> astronaute: that is manually right? im fairly new in all this
[03:03] <astronaute> xsacha:  no perl in /usr/local/lib :///////////
[03:03] <xsacha> ah
[03:03] <Th3_Cr0up13R> i dont want to mess something up but i like experimenting and learning , loving linux
[03:03] <astronaute> Th3_Cr0up13R: manually means not BY Adept
[03:04] <xsacha> Th3_Cr0up13R: it's alright, don't need to upgrade to edgy yet
[03:04] <astronaute> yes dont do it anyway if you dont need
[03:04] <xsacha> although, i'm curious as to why you went with dapper instead of edgy :P i think you just installed?
[03:04] <Th3_Cr0up13R> xsacha: y not? thought the upgrades are good
[03:05] <Th3_Cr0up13R> better
[03:05] <astronaute> Th3_Cr0up13R:   dapper have 3 years of support and irts pretty stable
[03:05] <Th3_Cr0up13R> fair enough
[03:05] <astronaute> Th3_Cr0up13R:  edgy is quite new and may be pain in the ass
[03:05] <xsacha> it's a pain in the ass to upgrade, some people have bad upgrade stories anyway
[03:05] <Th3_Cr0up13R> well in that case since im new i will need lots of support hehehe
[03:05] <redmonkey> i have kubuntu 6.10 here and i have noticed that there is no kmail entry in the k-menu
[03:05] <xsacha> were you able to find "kdevelop" in Adept now Th3_Cr0up13R?
[03:06] <Th3_Cr0up13R> no
[03:06] <Th3_Cr0up13R> xsacha: no even after the update i didnt
[03:06] <xsacha> hmmm
[03:06] <Th3_Cr0up13R> i tried kdev, kdevelop , kdeve but nothing
[03:06] <xsacha> in Adept, go to Adept->Manage Repositories
[03:06] <xsacha> you see any deb or deb-src that are grey?
[03:08] <Th3_Cr0up13R> yes 3 pairs
[03:08] <xsacha> right click and enable those 6
[03:09] <Th3_Cr0up13R> ok
[03:09] <Th3_Cr0up13R> now i do another get update i suppose
[03:09] <xsacha> then Apply, then Fetch Updates
[03:09] <Th3_Cr0up13R> the apply button didnt get activated but they got bold
[03:09] <xsacha> didn't you see the message Jucato? DOS attacks
[03:10] <Jucato> whoa...
[03:10] <Th3_Cr0up13R> looks like there is no need to apply or fetch something
[03:10] <xsacha> did you click fetch updates?
[03:10] <Jucato> there is always a need to Fetch Updates, after editing sources.list.
[03:10] <Th3_Cr0up13R> yep
[03:11] <Th3_Cr0up13R> xsacha: yes i did
[03:11] <xsacha> Jucato: kdevelop is in dapper, right? :S
[03:11] <Jucato> xsacha: hm... seems like I'm connected to kornbluth.freenode.net...
[03:11] <Th3_Cr0up13R> it did something very quickly then thats it
[03:11] <Jucato> xsacha: I think the name is kdevelop3 in Dapper
[03:11] <xsacha> k
[03:11] <xsacha> "kdev" should list them all anyway
[03:11] <Jucato> yep yep
[03:12] <xsacha> seeing it yet Th3_Cr0up13R?
[03:12] <Jucato> hm... this is going to be hard without ubotu around....
[03:12] <luca_b> kdevelop3 is the name
[03:12] <astronaute> xsacha:  you think that if i reinstall perl maybe it will be corectly created in /usr/local/libs/perl ?
[03:12] <Th3_Cr0up13R> xsacha:  i tried kdev but i dont get anything apart from liblockdev
[03:12] <luca_b> (in Dapper) - I checked packages.ubuntu.com for safety
[03:15] <Jucato> my connection is a bit slow today... :(
[03:15] <xsacha> same distro, we should have same perl directory :S wonder why you dont have /usr/local/libs/perl :S
[03:15] <astronaute> heee
[03:15] <astronaute> =)
[03:15] <Th3_Cr0up13R> no nothing yet
[03:15] <xsacha> your gfs computer is 64-bit too?
[03:15] <astronaute> yes
[03:15] <astronaute> i have pango frozen-bubble in there
[03:15] <astronaute> python too
[03:15] <astronaute> but no perl
[03:15] <astronaute> i try reinstalling perl
[03:15] <astronaute> sec
[03:15] <xsacha> oh by the way, /usr/local/lib/perl *  no s on libs :P wondering why i had no directory found
[03:15] <Th3_Cr0up13R> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/  deb
[03:15] <Th3_Cr0up13R> everytime i fetch update it goes back to disable by itself
[03:16] <xsacha> did you click Apply?
[03:16] <Th3_Cr0up13R> no because its not active
[03:16] <Jucato> O_O
[03:16] <astronaute> =))))
[03:16] <xsacha> huh? it should be active even if you change nothing :S
[03:17] <xsacha> hmm, have you used konsole much?
[03:17] <xsacha> hmm, alt+f2 and type: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:18] <xsacha> then just remove the hashes(#) from the front of them and save
[03:18] <astronaute> xsacha:  /usr/bin/perle
[03:19] <astronaute> when i type which perl
[03:19] <dev> Anyone here managed to install a Jdk on kubuntu?
[03:20] <xsacha> yes astronaute, but you need the perl libs..
[03:20] <xsacha> for me they are in /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 :S
[03:21] <astronaute> xsacha:  yes sure
[03:21] <Th3_Cr0up13R> xsacha: then i suppose i try to update again
[03:21] <xsacha> it's also in /usr/lib/perl, but frozen bubble uses local
[03:21] <Th3_Cr0up13R> lets see
[03:21] <astronaute> but how to get them
[03:21] <xsacha> yes Th3_Cr0up13R
[03:22] <xsacha> don't know astronaute :( i think perl came with kubuntu.. hers is clean install to edgy?
[03:22] <astronaute> xsacha:  can i just copy them from my computer ?
[03:22] <astronaute> xsacha:  no upgrade from dapper
[03:22] <xsacha> aha, it might have other files :S
[03:22] <xsacha> oh, yours isnt upgrade from dapper though?
[03:22] <astronaute> nope
[03:22] <xsacha> ahh
[03:22] <astronaute> dont tell me i have to reinstalla all
[03:22] <astronaute> =))))
[03:22] <xsacha> :P no
[03:23] <xsacha> hmm libperl5.8  <-- i dont have this installed
[03:24] <Th3_Cr0up13R> xsacha:  thanx a lot i found it and looks like its is downloading it
[03:24] <xsacha> :D
[03:24] <Th3_Cr0up13R> thank you
[03:24] <Th3_Cr0up13R> i hope i can do some programming now
[03:24] <xsacha> strange that manage repositories didnt work though :s
[03:24] <Th3_Cr0up13R> i got lots to learn
[03:25] <Th3_Cr0up13R> yeah i know, every time i open adept it is gray, unless i try to install something it will stay gray
[05:53] (DaSkreech/#kubuntu) It's why I stick with Kopete though I want to drop it off a cliff three times a day
[05:53] (DaSkreech/#kubuntu) BluesKaj: What's she scared of?
[05:53] (lambengolmor/#kubuntu) sorry, I need to copy the address book of kontact but my kubuntu broke while trying upgrade to edgy.. can anyone tell me where is it by default?
[05:54] (xsacha/#kubuntu) this is why you dont use gnome apps in kde when you dont have much RAM :P http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8546/gtkinkdeix0.png (after killing one app)
[05:54] (sledge_at_work/#kubuntu) Lam_: somewhere ~/.kde
[05:55] <xsacha> omg *drools* the packaging makes me want to have it right now: http://static.flickr.com/109/286546536_82ea90042b.jpg
[05:55] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, not being able to do the things she's used to doing...she's rather linux phobia'd I'm afraid, from my previous failed efforts to install Linux and get all the hardware and software top work
[05:55] <zorglu_> xsacha: yep on a 'stable' os :)
[05:56] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Why not use bitlbee (makes everything appear as just irc)
[05:56] <xsacha> wonder how much they spent on designing that packaging
[05:57] <Digital_Pioneer> Hi. I've just installed Edgy, and I'm noticing one really annoying problem...
[05:57] <Digital_Pioneer> Whenever I drag windows, or scroll on a webpage, etc. it takes a moment for the display to clear off the old and "repaint" the new.
[05:57] <bianconeri__> what package should i install when getting this error :configure: error: X Screensaver extension header files not found!"??\
[05:58] <Digital_Pioneer> It gives the feel that I'm always running too much stuff and it's having trouble doing something so simple as moving a window...
[05:59] <manchicken> How does one unlock the dpkg database when adept crashes?
[05:59] <xsacha> kill adept
[06:00] <xsacha> sudo killall adept_manager   (or look for the pid and kill it)
[06:00] <sledge_at_work> manchicken: Make sure adept is not running and then "sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lock"
[06:01] <manchicken> That didn't help.  Database is still locked.
[06:01] <h3sp4wn> !adept crash fix > manchicken
[06:02] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Sorry?
[06:02] <manchicken> h3sp4wn: That looks good.
[06:02] <xsacha> !botsnack
[06:02] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:02] <Sharketor> to start azureus I have to type "./azureus" in azureus folder
[06:03] <Tm_T> ubotu: Hi
[06:03] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[06:03] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: if you use that app you don't need to bother with kopete - you can just use everything with whatever you use for irc
[06:03] <Tm_T> :)
[06:03] <Sharketor> how can I create a desktop icon to do that???
[06:03] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: well make a  short list of the things she's scared of and the things she can benefit from and take a weekend and Live CD and walk her over
[06:04] <DaSkreech> Sharketor: Is it in your KDE menu?
[06:04] <soulrider> anyone here using conky ?
[06:04] <Sharketor> no
[06:04] <oyvind> can i install audacious whit apt-get?
[06:05] <Sharketor> I have downloaded the .tar.bz2 package
[06:05] <B-Minus> is there a calculator build in kubuntu ?
[06:05] <soulrider> Sharketor: you could make a scrips
[06:05] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[06:05] <manchicken> h3sp4wn: Much thanks for that.  It seems to have worked.
[06:05] <soulrider> to cd intot he az directory
[06:05] <Sharketor> then I have extracted it
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Sharketor: Right click your K menu and edit it to put in there (under Internet) and it will be picked up in katapult :)
[06:05] <soulrider> and then run az
[06:05] <B-Minus> i cant see a commandline calculator
[06:05] <DaSkreech> B-Minus: Press Alt+Space and do your calculations
[06:05] <DaSkreech> B-Minus: or use speedcrunch
[06:06] <dinosaur-rus> will Apache 2.2 be available in repositories?
[06:06] <soulrider> anyone know a good program to evaluate and plot functions ?
[06:06] <DaSkreech> soulrider: Kplot
[06:06] <B-Minus> DaSkreech: tnx
[06:06] <dinosaur-rus> souldrier: google ;)
[06:06] <soulrider> thanks DaSkreech
[06:06] <nickste> wooohoooo! I got beryl working :)
[06:07] <DaSkreech> nickste: Whoot!
[06:07] <soulrider> nickste: :) im using it right now too!
[06:07] <nickste> heheheh
[06:07] <nickste> I'm soooo stoked :) Messed around for ages to get it working
[06:07] <h3sp4wn> B-Minus: perl -e 'print 4 * 4;' (or whatever)
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Sharketor: Why didn't you apt-get it?
[06:07] <nickste> eventually did  a clean install, and started from the beginning
[06:07] <B-Minus> DaSkreech: katapult disapears in the background after inactivity ?
[06:07] <Sharketor> DaSkreech: I did, but the old version on repo crashed on my pc
[06:08] <DaSkreech> B-Minus: Umm not sure Mine doesn't
[06:08] <DaSkreech> B-Minus: Alt+ Space then Ctrl+C
[06:08] <DaSkreech> THat gets you the settings
[06:08] <Sharketor> DaSkreech: I do: create application link, on desktop
[06:08] <RawSewage> whats the command to totally remove a package
[06:08] <Sharketor> then i type "azureus2 as command
[06:08] <soulrider> sudo apt-get remove <name>
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Sharketor: Yes I was just wondering why you didn't apt-get it
[06:08] <Sharketor> and the work path
[06:08] <RawSewage> soulrider: remove wont remove the folder and settings
[06:09] <soulrider> uhm
[06:09] <soulrider> sudo dpkg -P <name?
[06:09] <soulrider> thats supposed to purge everything
[06:09] <RawSewage> ok ty
[06:09] <h3sp4wn> RawSewage: aptitude purge <name> or apt-get remove --purge <name> or dpkg -P <name>
[06:09] <Sharketor> DaSkreech: but when I launch it says: could not found azureus excutable
[06:09] <RawSewage> ok
[06:09] <eilker> !visudo
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about visudo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:09] <RawSewage> thx
[06:10] <RawSewage> I have to remove FF Flash
[06:10] <RawSewage> it crashes the browser
[06:11] <RawSewage> I realize I can change Depth to 24, but that seems worse than Depth 16 for some reason
[06:11] <RawSewage> in xorg.conf
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Sharketor: In the command try putting the path to the application
[06:11] <Sharketor> DaSkreech: how?
[06:11] <Dr_Willis>   /home/username/whatever/patjh/to/azuraus
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Sharketor: from the command line type which azeurus and use that
[06:12] <manchicken_> Anybody else having trouble getting emacs-snapshot-gtk to install?
[06:14] <Sharketor> DaSkreech: ok, problem solved
[06:14] <Sharketor> there is a file in the folder called azureus
[06:14] <eilker> !kdm >eilker
[06:14] <Sharketor> I did the link to this file
[06:15] <dinosaur-rus> !gaim
[06:15] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[06:16] <dinosaur-rus> !apache 2.2
[06:16] <dinosaur-rus> oh
[06:16] <DaSkreech> dinosaur-rus: Well when gaim 2.0 comes out it shoudl be updated
[06:16] <[cf] nightrid3r> i just installed compiz, how do i "activate" it?
[06:17] <DaSkreech> !compiz
[06:17] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Ah hmm
[06:17] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: Gaim 2.0beta4 exists, but not in the repos and it contains some features I need
[06:17] <[cf] nightrid3r> oh :)
[06:18] <DaSkreech> [cf] nightrid3r: As I recall there is a compiz.start or a start-compiz script
[06:18] <deep__> Test. Test.
[06:18] <deep__> =)
[06:18] <DaSkreech> dinosaur-rus: try getdeb.net
[06:19] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: well, what about Apache 2.2?
[06:19] <DaSkreech> dinosaur-rus: mail the maintainer
[06:19] <ubuntu__> hi
[06:19] <carlos_> Hi, everyone! I would like to know how to acess my secure memory card. Do anyone know how to do?
[06:20] <ubuntu__> how was the command to change the root from live cd
[06:20] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: chroot
[06:20] <ubuntu__> to use the root of my root partition
[06:20] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech: and aftetr that
[06:20] <DaSkreech> eh?
[06:21] <ubuntu__> I must show where is my root?
[06:21] <trappist> ubuntu__: you do like chroot /mnt/whatever and you're in your own partition
[06:21] <DaSkreech> sudo chroot path/to/the/new/root
[06:21] <ubuntu__> ok 10x
[06:25] <Ayabara> anyone using truecrypt?
[06:25] <jay> help!!
[06:25] <DaSkreech> !help
[06:25] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl  -  Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:26] <bipolar> Ayabara: I use it on some windows machines at work, but I've never used the linux version. At least not yet :)
[06:26] <dinosaur-rus> !apache
[06:26] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[06:26] <BluesKaj> !Komba2
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Komba2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:26] <dinosaur-rus> !httpd
[06:26] <ubuntu__> how to repair grub boot manager from live CD
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about httpd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:26] <ubuntu__> !grub
[06:26] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:27] <DaSkreech> jay: ?
[06:27] <bipolar> ubuntu__: the link for lost grub after installing windows is what you want :)
[06:27] <dinosaur-rus> ubuntu__: try to chroot to your partition and run grub-install
[06:27] <Ayabara> bipolar: ok. I'll ask my question anyway :-), I get "FATAL: Module truecrypt not found.
[06:27] <Ayabara> truecrypt: Failed to load TrueCrypt kernel module" when I try to mount. I'm sort of new to linux, so I don't know how to attack this.
[06:27] <DaSkreech> dinosaur-rus: try apache2
[06:27] <ubuntu__> dinosaur-rus: ok I will try
[06:27] <felipe__> Hello guys, does anyone knows if there is a deb package for Angband or MAngband?
[06:28] <bipolar> Ayabara: there is a kernel module missing. A kernel module is kind of like a driver in windows
[06:28] <bipolar> Ayabara: need to find out what package has the truecrypt module in it.
[06:28] <Ayabara> bipolar: aha. thanks.
[06:28] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: apache2 is 2.0.55 version
[06:29] <DaSkreech> dinosaur-rus: I know. mail the maintainers to see if they have 2.2 plans. If not then just make your own deb
[06:29] <ubuntu__> dinosaur-rus: how to use this tool
[06:29] <jay> help! how do i change to gnome?
[06:29] <ubuntu__> dinosaur-rus: grub-install
[06:29] <markowka> hej
[06:29] <DaSkreech> jay: You had Ubuntu installed?
[06:29] <bipolar> Ayabara: on a command line, try runing 'apt-cache search truecrypt' and look for a package that has 'module' in it's name. :)
[06:29] <jay> i have kubuntu but i want to try normal ubuntu
[06:30] <markowka> are you knwo a program like opendock for kubuntu?
[06:30] <jay> so can u tell me the commands to change and change back?
[06:30] <markowka> i love opendock ;)#
[06:30] <DaSkreech> jay: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:30] <markowka> anyone knowes?
[06:30] <Ayabara> bipolar: ok.
[06:30] <jay> ty, so how do i change back after it?
[06:30] <jay> kubuntu-desktop?
[06:30] <DaSkreech> when you have to login there is a section named sessions
[06:31] <dinosaur-rus> ubuntu__: grub-install /dev/hda
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Select that and choose gnome or KDE
[06:31] <markowka> nobody wnat to chat with me?!
[06:31] <DaSkreech> jay: on the login screen. You know where I'm talking about?
[06:31] <DaSkreech> markowka: try O-T?
[06:32] <jay> yea
[06:32] <DaSkreech> jay: Ok Go to it :)
[06:33] <jay> ?
[06:34] <markowka> whre can i found this?
[06:35] <dive-o> Has anyone else upgraded from 6.06 to 6.10 and had the bootup screen go "weird" - for example, I just see a bunch of lines that gradually fill between with solid color, not the nice looking splash I've seen screenshots of. Is there something I should check to make sure that got upgraded correctly?
[06:36] <EricJ> I installed 6.10 from a burned iso, and I get that bootup screen as well.
[06:36] <dive-o> not the nice pretty one shown off on the web?
[06:36] <EricJ> That's about it though - no further errors.
[06:37] <dive-o> I had some issues with my xorg.conf getting redone but that was easily fixed
[06:37] <EricJ> Nope, more something resembling pulled from an 80's version of msdos.
[06:37] <EricJ> But hey, it works.
 whre can i found?
[06:37] <DaSkreech> jay: Apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and logout
[06:38] <DaSkreech> markowka: Find?
[06:38] <EricJ> dive-o: Are you on an amd64 machine as well?
[06:38] <dive-o> EricJ: yup.
[06:38] <jay> what is apt-get!??!?!
[06:38] <jay> what do i do1?!?!?
[06:38] <EricJ> dive-o: Figured so
[06:39] <DaSkreech> jay: Oh Ok :)
[06:39] <DaSkreech> jay: do you use adept?
[06:39] <dive-o> I suppose I could give it a shot on a spare box around the office today that isn't amd64
[06:39] <EricJ> I wouldn't bother. I'm way too lazy. :)
[06:39] <DaSkreech> markowka: Where can You found waht?
[06:39] <DaSkreech> what?
[06:39] <kay> i have installed windows vista and after i installed grub back he cant find windows anyone knows how to handle this for windows vista?
[06:40] <DaSkreech> !grub
[06:40] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
 markowka: try O-T?
[06:40] <kay> THX
[06:40] <DaSkreech> !O-T
[06:40] <dive-o> EricJ: same here, I don't feel like hooking up another monitor/kbd ;-)
[06:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about O-T - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:40] <DaSkreech> !offtopic > markowka
[06:40] <xsacha> Th3_Cr0up13R: you're still here? checkout http://www.kde-apps.org/index.php?xcontentmode=234
[06:41] <markowka> achso... sorry
[06:41] <EricJ> Jesus.. I had no idea setting up a simple home network was such a hassle. I almost miss WinXP.
[06:41] <dive-o> what are you trying to do, specifically?
[06:41] <DaSkreech> markowka: you can hang out here as well :)
[06:42] <DaSkreech> jay: Hello?
[06:42] <dive-o> I've got several machines networked at home and kubuntu gave me no issues
[06:42] <EricJ> dive-o: Configuring samba, I guess. :s
[06:42] <zorglu_> q. during the last 2 days, i have my yahoo account reporting 'bad password', i havent changed the configuration at all and it was working before. is there anobody else with the same issue ?
[06:42] <zorglu_> using kopete
[06:42] <dive-o> EricJ: as a client or server?
[06:42] <EricJ> dive-o: Server. I think.
[06:43] <EricJ> dive-o: I'm kinda new to this concept, I'm learning as I go. :)
[06:43] <kay> DaSkreech:  thx for this tip but i need to know which entry windows vista need in grub?
[06:43] <dive-o> hmm, haven't tried that under kubuntu yet, my samba fileserver is NetBSD-based
[06:43] <dive-o> as far as using it as a client goes, that was pretty easy
[06:43] <EricJ> <-- clueless.
[06:44] <EricJ> We've got this small network with only 2 machines - one running WinXP and one Kubuntu. I'm trying to get them access to eachothers shares.
[06:45] <xsacha> samba
[06:45] <zorglu_> kay: look at http://www.pro-networks.org/forum/about78184.html
[06:45] <CVirus> EricJ: with Kubuntu you could easily access your windows shares through Konqueror
[06:46] <EricJ> CVirus: Don't I need to configure workgroup names and so forth?
[06:47] <CVirus> EricJ: configure your windows machine
[06:47] <kay> DaSkreech: thx i have found other but i will look at this too
[06:47] <xsacha> smb://name/ or \\name
[06:47] <Nickenyfiken> hi, is it not possible to install DMRAID with 6.10 live cd?
[06:47] <DaSkreech> kay: Ok
[06:47] <DaSkreech> jay: Hello?
[06:47] <EricJ> I'll give it a shot. :)
[06:47] <kay> DaSkreech: thx again yours is very helpful
[06:47] <DaSkreech> kay: Thank you
[06:49] <zorglu_> maybe i should ask my weird kopete issue in a different manner :) i asked it 5 times during the last 2 days and nobody ever answered :)
[06:49] <DaSkreech> Possibly :)
[06:49] <dinosaur-rus> zorglu_: what's the problem?
[06:49] <bipolar> zorglu_: it's a yahoo server issue. I get it once in a while too.
[06:50] <DaSkreech> bipolar: Over 2 days?
[06:50] <markowka> have kubuntu a german channel?
[06:50] <zorglu_> dinosaur-rus: kopete complains about my password being wrong for yahoo, but it was working without issue before
[06:50] <zorglu_> bipolar: ok
[06:50] <zorglu_> !de
[06:50] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:50] <EricJ> CVirus: Thanks for the tip. Atleast the windows machine can connect to my 'nix now. (I just need to check which users are allowed)
[06:50] <Nickenyfiken> Is it possible to install edgy on a software raid0 array loading the live cd and then installing dmraid?
[06:50] <markowka> thx
[06:51] <bipolar> DaSkreech: off and on, yeah. if it hasn't worked at all in the past two days, thats another issue
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Well ICQ simply won't login for me
[06:51] <bipolar> zorglu_: has it worked at all in the past two days?
[06:52] <DaSkreech> What's a good screen capture program?
[06:52] <bipolar> damn upgrade... why won't you just use the packages from my edgy cdrom?!
[06:52] <zorglu_> bipolar: nope, every time i logged on during the past 2 days, i got the popup 'bad password' and i click cancel
[06:52] <bipolar> zorglu_: oh, then thats another problem.
[06:52] <ironfroggy> when will python 2.5 be available in apt?
[06:52] <sebastianbf222> hello: Does anyone knows how do I get transparents windows in kubuntu?
[06:52] <EricJ> DaSkreech: Ksnapshot?
[06:52] <bipolar> zorglu_: I don't know. I'm using kopete w/ yahoo right now.
[06:52] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: It is already I think
[06:52] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: Still no login? And you have fixed version?
[06:52] <h3sp4wn> !info python edgy
[06:52] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.3-11ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 208 kB
[06:52] <zorglu_> bipolar: hmm ok
[06:52] <dinosaur-rus> zorglu_: I guess trying to use another client would be a good idea allowing you to see if the problem is in Kopete or Yahoo!
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: doubt it
[06:52] <WikinG> i am trying write file on MMC, but (i don't know why) it says "Couldn't change the permissions of "MMC" because it is on a read-only disk". How to make it non read-only???
[06:53] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: i do not see it.
[06:53] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: :p
[06:53] <DaSkreech> It works on edgy which is why I'm upgrading today
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Just to login into icq :-P
[06:53] <Tm_T> I see.
[06:53] <DaSkreech> EricJ: That's a screenshot program
[06:53] <zorglu_> dinosaur-rus: good point.
[06:53] <zorglu_> dinosaur-rus: but in both cases there is not much i can do :)
[06:54] <zorglu_> dinosaur-rus: except stop using yahoo and/or kopete
[06:54] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: so any idea when its to be available? or where i could maybe get a compatible package seperately?
[06:54] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: It is in edgy (or was when I last used it)(
[06:54] <trappist> WikinG: I think most mmc cards have a physical switch you can flip for that
[06:55] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: the thing you just did say 2.4.3 was the newest in edgy
[06:55] <xsacha> grrr i keep getting: Ran out of GART memory! whenever i use something that is 3d (opengl)
[06:55] <zorglu_> q. is there a way in kopete to determine if i am currently connected or not to a given network ?
[06:55] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: how can i find what im running? i think dapper..
[06:55] <stamen_> how to make a ext3 partition to bi writable?
[06:55] <DaSkreech> zorglu_: Kinda :)
[06:55] <xsacha> zorglu_: the icon will be greyed out..
[06:55] <WikinG> trappist, noup
[06:55] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: cat /etc/issue
[06:56] <zorglu_> xsacha: hmm ok and i got a weird icon with a 'y' which is greyer out :)
[06:56] <DaSkreech> xsacha: not true al lthe time but that's a good checkstick :)
[06:56] <WikinG> trappist, SD have, but not MMC
[06:56] <zorglu_> xsacha: i guess this is yahoo
[06:56] <dinosaur-rus> stamen_: how to make FAT partition writeable? :)
[06:56] <ironfroggy> DaSkreech: it just says "Ubuntu 6.06 LT \n \l"
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Dapper then
[06:56] <zorglu_> q. is there a way to ask kopete to connect to a unconnected network ?
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Dapper = 6.06
[06:56] <ironfroggy> ok. is apt capable of doing the upgrade to edgy?
[06:56] <trappist> WikinG: is that error message exactly as it appears? it makes sense that it can't change the permissions, because those are usually fat32, which doesn't understand unix permissions.  is it not writing to the device at all, or just not updating permissions?
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Breezy = 5.10
[06:56] <sebastianbf222> Does anyone knows how do I get transparents windows in kubuntu?
[06:56] <DaSkreech> !upgrade
[06:56] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[06:57] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: There you go
[06:57] <xsacha> zorglu_: right click that icon, and put Online->Message None (dont know if it's same on yahoo)
[06:57] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: I just checked (I hate python anyway) 2.4 is default but you can install 2.5 in edgy
[06:57] <h3sp4wn> !info python-2.5 edgy
[06:57] <ubotu> Package python-2.5 does not exist in edgy
[06:57] <xsacha> zorglu_: the password it is asking you for, is there a chance that is your KDE Wallet Password?
[06:57] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: I forget the package name but it is there
[06:57] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: you hate perfection huh?
[06:57] <zorglu_> xsacha: oh now the icon is more more grey, i guess it is connected
[06:58] <ironfroggy> DaSkreech: thanks
[06:58] <zorglu_> xsacha: and i didnt have any 'bad password' popup
[06:58] <zorglu_> xsacha: so it seems it was a server issue
[06:58] <xsacha> k
[06:58] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: I hate needless typing - I don't need the language to restrict how I write my code (either ruby or perl are much nicer)
[06:58] <zorglu_> xsacha: about the kde wallet, it cant be the password it asked for because my kde wallet has no password :)
[06:59] <xsacha> hmm k
[06:59] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: and it doesn't even have ++
[06:59] <zorglu_> xsacha: thanks for your help
[06:59] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: you should come to #python where it would not be offtopic for me to persuade you how those are very very good things.
[06:59] <WikinG> trappist, i can't change permissions, now i can't write files too. aproximmetly month ago i has written fils without problems
[06:59] <WikinG> trappist, ...files
[07:02] <trappist> WikinG: you could try remounting the device read-write, by hand.  you also might want to check the dmesg output when you insert the card, to see if it's complaining about anything
[07:04] <bipolar> stupid update manager.... it uses packages off the CD until it gets to one package thats newer on the update site. then it uses the update site for ALL remaining packages. Slow as hell.
[07:07] <zorglu_> q. is there a way to make kopete use the name of the network, instead of the icon ?
[07:09] <Tm_T> Nope.
[07:09] <zorglu_> ok so is there a way to determine which icon means which network ?
[07:10] <Tm_T> Yes, they are common representatives of that protocol.
[07:10] <zorglu_> what is 'common representatives' ?
[07:10] <Tm_T> Dunno how that is dealt with Oscar
[07:10] <Tm_T> zorglu_: No idea, that's the word came to my mind.
[07:10] <zorglu_> hehe :)
[07:11] <zorglu_> i have trouble finding out basic information with kopete :)
[07:11] <zorglu_> like i am connected to yahoo :)
[07:11] <Tm_T> And?
[07:11] <Tm_T> Doesn't Yahoo have it's own simple logo?
[07:11] <zorglu_> and ?
[07:11] <zorglu_> well i have trouble and i try to find solution :)
[07:12] <Tm_T> I see.
[07:12] <zorglu_> maybe the point is to determine which logo is yahoo :)
[07:12] <zorglu_> and kopete doesnt provide this info :)
[07:12] <beemer> afternoon all - anyone happen to have this mother board? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138036
[07:12] <Tm_T> zorglu_: Large red Y, I think
[07:12] <Tm_T> zorglu_: menu -> configure -> accounts
[07:12] <zorglu_> Tm_T: yep but in 2h i will have forgoteen this info :) i need something in which i could find it again :)
[07:13] <Tm_T> zorglu_: you have list of your accounts with their icons.
[07:13] <zorglu_> Tm_T: oh ok thanks.
[07:13] <Tm_T> Np.
[07:13] <Tm_T> I'm off for awhile, have fun kids. ->
[07:14] <h3sp4wn> !schedule
[07:14] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[07:14] <zorglu_> this factoid seems out of date :)
[07:14] <h3sp4wn> That is what I thought
[07:15] <zorglu_> q. is there another IM client with a simpler GUI than kopete ?
[07:15] <beemer> zorg: I like gaim
[07:15] <h3sp4wn> centericq (console) or bitlbee (im to irc gateway)
[07:15] <zorglu_> beemer: hmm yep gaim was good, i used it on fedora for a while.
[07:16] <zorglu_> h3sp4wn: so with bitlbee i could use konversation for IM networks ?
[07:16] <zorglu_> would be nice, konversation is simple to use
[07:17] <buz_> are those kde 3.80.2 packages safe?
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> zorglu_: Yep
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> buz_: Read the krash release notes (I would say no - intended for people porting apps to qt4 not for general use)
[07:19] <buz_> h3sp4wn: it says i can have them alongside kde3?
[07:19] <buz_> as long as i can switch them off without destroying the rest of my edgy thats fine
[07:20] <h3sp4wn> buz_: Maybe you can but it looks the same as kde 3.5.4 but with qt4 that is all
[07:20] <aseigo> yes, though you probably don't want to run them straight inside a kde3 session (switching users or running a session e.g in xephyr/xnest is still recommended)
[07:20] <buz_> h3sp4wn: i want to try okular's pdf annotation stuff on my tablet
[07:21] <buz_> ok if the master himself says it should work i'll try ;)
[07:22] <buz_> h3sp4wn: unless you know of any linux app to annotate pdfs there's a feature i want from it ;)
[07:23] <h3sp4wn> buz_: Try finding a backported version for kde 3.5.5
[07:23] <buz_> there isnt one i'm told
[07:24] <h3sp4wn> What is the app called ?
[07:24] <zorglu_> okular has a channel for it
[07:24] <buz_> yes i know
[07:24] <buz_> i asked there a few weeks ago ;)
[07:24] <h3sp4wn> the app is called okular ?
[07:24] <buz_> yes, okular.org
[07:24] <buz_> its like kpdf4
[07:25] <zorglu_> ah yeah, #kpdf is the channel for it
[07:25] <buz_> http://kpdf.kde.org/okular/screenies/okular-annotations.png
[07:25] <buz_> that is my personal killer feature
[07:25] <jel> buz_: *apparantly*, scribus can do annotations on pdfs, as long as the PDF isn't huge
[07:25] <Ayabara> Im trying to build a kernel to get truecrypt to work. I get this error: Building kernel module... cd: 132: can't cd to Kernel. can anyone help me with this?
[07:25] <buz_> jel: worth a shot i guess
[07:26] <buz_> Ayabara: do you have a specific reason why you cant use dm-crypt?
[07:27] <Ayabara> buz_: 1. I didn't know of it. 2. I'm trying to mount an already existing tc volume :-)
[07:27] <buz_> ok, second one seems like a good one ;)
[07:27] <buz_> to be honest i never really got truecrypt working myself
[07:28] <buz_> if you still have windows running, you could create a dmcrypt volume (which can be mounted using freeotfe on win) and copy the data over
[07:28] <Ayabara> buz_: maybe that's what I will do then. can I dmcrypt an entire drive?
[07:29] <buz_> yes
[07:29] <buz_> although you likely dont want to encrypt your root partition
[07:29] <buz_> search for encrypted storage on wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:29] <Ayabara> buz_: ok. not any ideas on how to solve my problem? it's not a general build problem maybe?
[07:29] <Ayabara> buz_: ok. thanks
[07:30] <KennyTheFreak> How do i pair a bluetooth device in KDE?
[07:30] <KennyTheFreak> i dont want to do sudo hidd --search all the time :P
[07:31] <buz_> Ayabara: are you using edgy?
[07:31] <KennyTheFreak> yeah
[07:31] <buz_> cause there are binaries for dapper
[07:31] <Ayabara> buz_: yep
[07:31] <KennyTheFreak> woops
[07:31] <KennyTheFreak> :P
[07:31] <_JP> The check state of Tools->HTML Settings->Java is reset every time I restart Konqueror. Is there any way to make the setting to retain it's check state? (using edgy)
[07:31] <Ayabara> tried the binary for dapper, but when I tried to run it said it could not load the truecrypt kernel module
[07:32] <chx> after xresprobe gets installed , Kubuntu install dies.
[07:32] <carlos_> Hy, everyone! I have tried to acess my digital card reader (combo) on kubuntu 6.10, but anything happens! When i connect the card anything goes on. Can anyone help me? Thanks
[07:32] <buz_> Ayabara: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto this one is reasonably good i think
[07:32] <buz_> theres a few more
[07:33] <buz_> carlos_: is it an usb reader?
[07:34] <archangel_> I go to play a dvd movie and I'm told that I may not have enough rights to play or a bad disk, but I cant play the movie
[07:34] <alambra> :-)
[07:34] <archangel_> sheesh
[07:34] <jel> _JP: that's strange.  Try running konqueror from a konsole, to see if you get any errors.  Sounds like it can't contact the settings service, or it can't save the config file.  As a last restort, you could remove konqueror's settings in ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc
[07:34] <carlos_> buz_: No. I use a notebook that has a door to put the card. Do you have any idea in how to solve the problem?
[07:35] <jel> _JP: oh, remove the settings for khtml too, perhaps
[07:35] <buz_> if its a toshiba notebook i know for sure that the reader is not supported
[07:35] <jel> _JP: and any related .lock files you see :)
[07:35] <buz_> for others that might be true as well
[07:37] <_JP> jel: ok thanks for the ideas. let me try :)
[07:38] <jp> I already have kubuntu 6.10 and it works 99.9%
[07:39] <jp> I'll like to make a clean installation of it, but when I do the installation, although it says that the partition ext3 will be formatted, when it finishes, all the previous information is still there
[07:39] <jp> how can I remove this info so as to make a real clean install. I don't want to loose my partition 6 which is home
[07:40] <_JP> jel: hmm, should konqueror output something? all i get is those usual X errors; "Failed to open device"
[07:40] <h3sp4wn> jp: manually run sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/whatever
[07:40] <jel> jp: That sounds strange, but to fix it, manually edit the partition table.  Just select your ext3 partition, delete it, and create one exactly the same.
[07:40] <_JP> too many jp's around :)
[07:41] <jel> jp: yep, or you can format it yourself from a shell with mkfs.ext3, if you're OK with that
[07:42] <jp> as soon as I do the mkfs.ext3 all the data in ext 3 will be lost? that means that kubuntu will stop working right there?
[07:42] <jel> _JP: nope.  It might output stuff about kconfig or something like that.  But if it's not doing so, that's good :)
[07:43] <jel> _JP: try changing the settings, and make sure no errors appear in the terminal
[07:44] <_JP> jel: nothing while actually changing the setting and either nothing while closing after changing the setting..
[07:48] <jel> _JP: ok.   Hmmm.  I'm out of ideas then; sorry.
[07:48] <_JP> jel: in which file are khtml settings? removing konquerorrc doesn't seem to help
[07:48] <jel> _JP: well, you could also do sudo chown yourusername:yourusername ~/.kde
[07:48] <_JP> jel: hrm, so it remembers the check state for you? my konqueror can remember everything else but not the check states of those tools
[07:49] <Ayabara> buz_: hmm. I made a symlink called 'kernel' and now it seems to get a step further for some reason..
[07:49] <Ayabara> just fyi :-)
[07:49] <jel> _JP: I was thinking of kio_httprc
[07:50] <jel> _JP: which exact checkbox is it?  did you say the java button?  The one about enabling java globally?
[07:50] <_JP> Tools->HTML Settings->Java
[07:51] <_JP> it didn't work for me in dapper either
[07:52] <jel> _JP: ahh, I don't have that extension installed.  I thought you were talking about the ones in the preferences.   Are you aware that they're per-site?
[07:52] <_JP> and this is a fresh and clean installation of edgy. i'm sure i haven't messed up anything
[07:52] <jel> _JP: at least, I think they are :)
[07:53] <_JP> jel: oh... :) it's just that every single time i visit some map service it nags about java being not turned on..
[07:54] <EricJ> Firewalls.. great. <3 windows machines.
[07:54] <_JP> it stays checked until i restart konq
[07:55] <jel> gah!  I just accidentally removed the menu bar from konqueror on my ibook, which doesn't have a right mouse button setup yet, so I can't turn it back on :/
[07:55] <jel> _JP: *sigh*  I think your best bet is to enable java for that site in the preferences
[07:55] <nnn0> Ctrl-M
[07:56] <jel> nnn0: thanks! :)
[07:56] <nnn0> np :)
[07:56] <nnn0> been there :D
[07:56] <FJ_Sanchez> Hello
[07:56] <FJ_Sanchez> I have problems after upgrade to Edgy
[07:56] <FJ_Sanchez> All things of KDE are slow
[07:57] <FJ_Sanchez> KPDF, konsole
[07:57] <FJ_Sanchez> Any ideas?
[07:57] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: more memory?
[07:57] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: check your dns?
[07:58] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: especially that there's no delay in resolving your own machine's hostname, and that of localhost
[07:58] <FJ_Sanchez> top says 6000k free
[07:58] <FJ_Sanchez> jel the problem is with apps
[07:58] <thorty> any tip for a real good irc-chat applikation?
[07:58] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: it always says something like that :)   Look at how much swap you're using :)
[07:58] <FJ_Sanchez> I can use Firefox without problem
[07:59] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: nevertheless, check it out.
[07:59] <FJ_Sanchez> I'm using 17776k of swap
[07:59] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: how much memory do you have?
[07:59] <FJ_Sanchez> 512MB
[07:59] <jel> thorty: konversation is about the best, I think
[08:00] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: ahh, more than enough.   Unless you're running google earth at the same time :)
[08:00] <FJ_Sanchez> Heheh, not the case
[08:00] <FJ_Sanchez> I don't know why is this..
[08:00] <jel> the 16MB of swap is small relative to your memory, too.
[08:00] <FJ_Sanchez> I think it's something related to the kio things
[08:00] <jel> FJ_Sanchez:  how slow is slow?
[08:00] <FJ_Sanchez> ie, I click to open terminal
[08:01] <tempuser> thorty: xchat is also quite good. And it's available for Windows and Linux
[08:01] <FJ_Sanchez> It show me the window but I cannot write until 1 minute
[08:01] <FJ_Sanchez> More or less
[08:01] <FJ_Sanchez> It's a lot of time
[08:01] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: hhhm.  That is weird.
[08:01] <FJ_Sanchez> Really
[08:02] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: where to other apps pause, and for how long?
[08:02] <jel> brb
[08:02] <FJ_Sanchez> For example konversation, kpdf, konsole
[08:02] <FJ_Sanchez> Al KDE stuff
[08:02] <jel> (back, listening)
[08:03] <FJ_Sanchez> Sorry?
[08:04] <jel> I had to run out there for a sec, so I was just letting you know that I was back, and reading what you were saying.
[08:04] <jel> in other words, continue :)
[08:05] <FJ_Sanchez> I tried to purge and reinstall konkeror and kdebase-kio-plugins
[08:05] <BuFF> how to install flash player for opera 9.0 ?
[08:05] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: what stage do other applications pause at?  The same point, just after opening the window, but before drawing the buttons etc.?
[08:06] <FJ_Sanchez> same point
[08:06] <FJ_Sanchez> When you open it
[08:06] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: don't have lots of fonts installed, by any chance?
[08:06] <FJ_Sanchez> Mmmm, maybe
[08:06] <FJ_Sanchez> I'm not sure
[08:06] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: unless you added lots that aren't in ubuntu, it'll be ok
[08:07] <FJ_Sanchez> I'll look this
[08:08] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: well, if I were you, my next step would be to run konsole through strace, and see what the last line of output is before it pauses.  It may or may not be useful, but there's a reasonable chance :)
[08:08] <bipolar> Can someone please toell me how to upgrade to edgy via the CD? Apt simply refuses to use the cdrom source to upgrade, and upgrade manager, even though I tell it to NOT use the network connection, uses it anyway.
[08:08] <bipolar> if I disconnect the network, update manager fails becouse it can't download package lists.
[08:08] <FJ_Sanchez> But it never crashed
[08:08] <FJ_Sanchez> It's only really slow
[08:09] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: that's OK.  strace tells you what an app is doing, not what it did before crashing
[08:09] <bipolar> I've tried update-manager -c, and the cdromupgrade script on the cdrom. they both do the same thing.
[08:09] <FJ_Sanchez> Ohhh!!
[08:09] <FJ_Sanchez> Now I know the problem
[08:09] <Lars_G> Hello
[08:09] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: specifically, it tells you the system calls being made
[08:09] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: Ohh?
[08:09] <FJ_Sanchez> I think it's because it's waiting to scim but I don't ahve it installed after upgrade
[08:09] <FJ_Sanchez> :D
[08:09] <Lars_G> I am going to burn the kubuntu 6.10 dvd for i386 but I'd like to check the md5 sum first, and I can't find it anywhere.
[08:10] <Lars_G> is it posted somewhere?
[08:10] <FJ_Sanchez> I'll install it
[08:10] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: ahh.  possibly :)
[08:10] <Lars_G> uh oh, scim
[08:11] <FJ_Sanchez> I'm going to install it, back in a moment
[08:11] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:11] <bipolar> it seems silly to me that update-manager is downloading from archive.ubuntu.org, at ~50K, when all the packages are right here on my cdrom.
[08:12] <CVirus> oops
[08:12] <CVirus> I apologize
[08:12] <CVirus> sorry about that
[08:12] <mariusz> pl?
[08:12] <flavio> hi all, does anybody know where to find the kubuntu system settings source code?
[08:12] <nagyv> bipolar: are you sure that you have the recent versions?
[08:13] <bipolar> nagyv: yes, I have the kubuntu edgy cd here, and the md5sums match
[08:13] <bipolar> I can't even get apt to use it.
[08:13] <nagyv> bipolar: is the cd-rom in your sources.list file?
[08:13] <Lars_G> please
[08:14] <bipolar> nagyv: deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 6.10 _Edgy Eft_ - Release i386 (20061025)] / edgy main restricted
[08:14] <CVirus> !upgrade
[08:14] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[08:14] <mariusz> ubuntu pl zna ktos adres
[08:14] <mariusz> bo nie wiem jak dodac do listy
[08:14] <Lars_G> bipolar: where did you find the md5sum to match it?
[08:15] <nagyv> mariusz:  #ubuntu-pl ?
[08:15] <bipolar> Lars_G: from the md5sum file on the host
[08:15] <mariusz> dzieki
[08:15] <Lars_G> bipolar: I don't see any in the dvd section
[08:15] <bipolar> Lars_G: I'm not using the DVD
[08:15] <Lars_G> bipolar: I am and I can't find the md5sum to check before I burn the dvd
[08:16] <myky> hi all speak someone czech or slovak?
[08:16] <FJ_Sanchez> jel: All solved!
[08:16] <bipolar> CVirus: that page doesn't help me with my problem. It's expecting a http upgrade
[08:16] <FJ_Sanchez> Thank you very much my friend!
[08:16] <flavio> ok, second try: does anybody know where the kubuntu "system settings" source code is?
[08:17] <CVirus> bipolar: I werent addressing you !
[08:17] <FJ_Sanchez> One more thing, why I cannot get coloured prompt in the tty
[08:17] <FJ_Sanchez> ??
[08:17] <FJ_Sanchez> All is grey
[08:17] <bipolar> CVirus: ahh, ok. next time use "!tell" with ubotu :)
[08:19] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: all solved?  sweet :)
[08:20] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: that's just a setting in your shell startup scripts.  You'll have to do it manually on ubuntu, I think.
[08:20] <FJ_Sanchez> I have it changed in my .bashrc
[08:21] <FJ_Sanchez> I get a coloured prompt in konsole and Eterm
[08:21] <FJ_Sanchez> But not in tty
[08:21] <spahija> hi guys..is there a kubuntu version with ncurses installation ?
[08:21] <chx> I am installing through a very slow line (took 11 minutes to download 33.7Mbytes) , is there a way to check how much apt still needs to download?
[08:21] <FJ_Sanchez> And also I'd like to change the resolution of the tty
[08:21] <chx> oh, and i am running netinst, no cd rom on this machine
[08:22] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: change the res by editing your grub kernel options (video=somemode)
[08:22] <FJ_Sanchez> ok
[08:23] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: sounds like your bashrc is only doing it conditionally, based on whether DISPLAY is present, or something?
[08:23] <FJ_Sanchez> Mmm, but it's the same bashrc I had before upgrading
[08:24] <FJ_Sanchez> And before that it worked
[08:24] <jel> FJ_Sanchez: oohh.  That's also strange.  Sorry, don't know.
[08:24] <FJ_Sanchez> Mmm
[08:24] <FJ_Sanchez> Thanks anyway
[08:24] <jel> spahija: you can install as server, and then just use aptitude
[08:25] <spahija> jel, where is server cd ? what is it called ?
[08:25] <jel> spahija: I'm not 100% suer it's texture.
[08:25] <nastas> hello everybody
[08:25] <jel> *textual
[08:25] <jel> spahija: it's a boot option on the normal install CD, last I checked
[08:25] <spahija> jel, hm,,,
[08:25] <jel> nastas: hi
[08:25] <spahija> jel,  you mean safe ?
[08:26] <jel> spahija: no, but it was there with options like safe, last time I looked.  Might have been taken out in edgy for some reason?
[08:26] <FJ_Sanchez> How can I get Kmix running on login?
[08:26] <spahija> jel, well I see not server or text option
[08:27] <jel> spahija: might be a separate server cd now?
[08:27] <spahija> jel, options look like this --> http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/original/Kubuntu%206.10/1.gif
[08:28] <nastas> what exactly are you talking about?
[08:28] <jel> can't see it; I'm temporaily on a server without much gui stuff installed
[08:28] <spahija> nastas, talking about if its possible to use text install on latest kubuntu
[08:28] <jel> he's looking for a way to install (k)ubuntu without graphics -- a textual install
[08:29] <RawSewage> what do I install to encode mp3 to ogg?  lame or liblame0
[08:29] <jel> anyway, it's been a long day; I'm gonna go eat dinner and relax for a while.  bye all :)
[08:29] <nastas> how different is (k)ubuntu from ubuntu?
[08:29] <FJ_Sanchez> bye jel
[08:29] <nastas> bye
[08:30] <spahija> nastas, well KDE = kubuntu , GNOME = ubuntu :D
[08:30] <nastas> sorry but i'm new in linux
[08:30] <TheGateKeeper> nastas: no difference just uses different desktop
[08:31] <nagyv> nastas: if you wan't we can wrote more also about this topic, but probably the users of ubuntu would not agree with us :)
[08:31] <dhq> i cannot play any video files i can just hear the audio
[08:31] <nastas> ;)
[08:31] <TheGateKeeper> nastas: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/%28k%29ubuntunotes
[08:31] <duane_> nastas: it's more of a difference between KDE and Gnome
[08:31] <spahija> dhq, missing codecs for them
[08:32] <duane_> nastas: in my honest opinion KDE is more windows like and is way more customizable
[08:32] <duane_> nastas: alot of people think that KDE's customizable nature makes it unintuitive however
[08:32] <TheGateKeeper> dhq: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_DVD_playback_capability
[08:33] <duane_> nastas: i also find and a few memory tests prove that KDE is more 'snappier' than gnome
[08:33] <nastas> it is?
[08:33] <nastas> is it?
[08:33] <dhq> spahija: TheGateKeeper i have all the codecs installed how do i check it again
[08:34] <duane_> nastas: imo yes
[08:34] <duane_> More ubuntu users use gnome however so there's more documentation over it
[08:34] <duane_> it's just a personal preference
[08:34] <duane_> if i were you i would try both and see which you like
[08:34] <nastas> i think i'm gonna try KDE
[08:34] <TheGateKeeper> dhq: you have done all it says in that guide?
[08:35] <duane_> good choice :D
[08:35] <Search4Lancer> anyone know of a good webcam program that actually works?
[08:35] <Search4Lancer> gqcam keeps freezing up on me
[08:36] <dhq> TheGateKeeper: i could play all my movie file the last week and the i just added an upgrade with atomatix and now i can play any files
[08:36] <nagyv> Search4Lancer: for what use?
[08:36] <nastas> i'm from Greece and i live in an Island.
[08:36] <Search4Lancer> for your basic webcam use.... :-P for on a site
[08:36] <nastas> i'm the onlyone here with linux
[08:37] <nagyv> Search4Lancer: try vlc
[08:37] <TheGateKeeper> dhq: try #automatrix sorry no sympathy
[08:37] <nagyv> nastas: never mind, we are here with you! :)
[08:37] <duane_> !automatix
[08:37] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[08:37] <duane_> ^
[08:37] <duane_> you can install everything automatix does much easier and safer with apt-get
[08:38] <nastas> i agree with duane_
[08:38] <nastas> apt-get is better
[08:38] <TheGateKeeper> well...
[08:39] <TheGateKeeper> if you really need to run automatrix...
[08:39] <TheGateKeeper> then install either kanotix, pclinuxos or sabayon
[08:40] <nastas> what exactly you wanna do GateKeeper?
[08:40] <pygi> who can learn me what KDE has by default for wireless networks? :)
[08:40] <beemer> http://http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=NF61V%20Micro%20AM2 - Anyone have this Biostar mb working in edgy?
[08:40] <cryptonic> hey can someone help me with a problem iv been having in gparted
[08:40] <cryptonic> ?
[08:41] <steff> hi. running kubuntu edgy. installed firefox 2.0 (apt-get install firefox). when i click the firefox icon it wont start up. im getting the "loading ball" but nothing happens. any suggestions?
[08:41] <TheGateKeeper> nastas: well I'm installing gentoo :-)
[08:41] <nagyv> pygi: wireless assistant
[08:41] <duane_> steff: install opera :D
[08:41] <pygi> nagyv: and I'd find that where? :)
[08:41] <steff> duane_: :D but that wont get my firefox to run :)
[08:42] <sledge_at_work> steff: open a konsole, type   firefox  , and hit enter.
[08:42] <duane_> pygi: kmenu -> internet -> wlassistant
[08:42] <duane_> steff: that's the point!
[08:42] <steff> sledge_at_work: tried that, nothing happens
[08:42] <nagyv> if it's already installed then under K-menu->internet, if it's not then adept, but if you need wpa, then you need wpa_supplicant (if I remember well)
[08:42] <nagyv> pygi: ^^
[08:42] <pygi> nagyv: cannot install anything, live cd --> trying beryl
[08:42] <steff> duane_: :) i like internet, not music
[08:42] <ian__> any big issues with edgy?
[08:43] <cryptonic> hey can someone help me with a problem iv been having in gparted?
[08:43] <sledge_at_work> steff: try  firefox --g-fatal-warnings
[08:43] <nastas> cryptonic
[08:44] <steff> sledge_at_work: still nothing happens :(
[08:44] <nastas> what problem do you have
[08:44] <Digital_Pioneer> Hi. I have a slightly unusual request: I need to batch rename a folder of music files from "Title - Artist.mp3" to "Artist - Title.mp3" How do I do that?...
[08:44] <cryptonic> I have a new 125gig partion which  i cant find at all  in nautilus, iv partitioned it to fat32 and ext 3 withought change to the problem
[08:44] <Digital_Pioneer> This is probably not the right place, but I have no idea where to go with it... :] 
[08:44] <cryptonic> it says in gparted that it isnt mounted but i cant find an option anywhere to mount it
[08:45] <beemer> Digitial - give me a few min - i think I can do a small script for that
[08:45] <TheGateKeeper> Digital_Pioneer: with a bash script
[08:45] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: Really? Sweet!
[08:45] <nastas> you can manually mount from a console as root
[08:45] <pacou> anyone using guarddog firewall? i need help forwarding a custom port.
[08:46] <Digital_Pioneer> TheGateKeeper: I'm afraid I'm not even sure what bash is (beyond a scripting language) but if you could suggest one... :D
[08:46] <nastas> r u running ubuntu cryptonic?
[08:46] <cryptonic> yep
[08:47] <TheGateKeeper> Digital_Pioneer: if beemer gives you a bash script you might find this helpfull http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html#toc6
[08:47] <jan__> how long does it approximately last till a patch for kopete is applied to the official version of kubuntu? (Bug 136566, cant connect to icq)
[08:47] <cryptonic> you can manually mount from a console as root? how?
[08:48] <TheGateKeeper> Digital_Pioneer: if you know python, or perl you could probable use either of them too
[08:48] <nastas> did you run the command fdisk -l ?
[08:48] <Foxolo> hi!!
[08:48] <Search4Lancer> nagyv: so far, vlc does absolutely, positively nothing. Can't even play videos in it nonetheless capture from a cam
[08:48] <nastas> cryptonic? did you run the command fdisk -l ?
[08:49] <cryptonic> nope
[08:49] <nastas> run this command in a console
[08:49] <cryptonic> ran it
[08:50] <nastas> you will see something like: /dev/hda mpla mpla mpla
[08:50] <nastas> is it right?
[08:51] <cryptonic> well it just gives disk info
[08:51] <nastas> ok
[08:52] <nastas> can you see the partion you want to mount?
[08:52] <DaSkreech> !pl
[08:52] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[08:52] <nagyv> Search4Lancer: I used this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29918/ script to capture videos to a file. I hope it will help to you.
[08:53] <shiv> can anybody help. Whats wrong with this command? sudo chmod 700 ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/*.*
[08:54] <Digital_Pioneer> TheGateKeeper: I could probably do it in C++, but I don't know enough to manage filenames and fool around with strings that well... ;)
[08:54] <nastas> cryptonic? can you see the partion you want to mount?
[08:55] <beemer> Digital - still working on it - getting close :)
[08:55] <Digital_Pioneer> TheGateKeeper: Seems like I could do it in most any scripting/programming language I wanted, given I knew enough of it. :)
[08:55] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: You're writing in on the spot??
[08:55] <beemer> yeah
[08:55] <beemer> it's good practice :)
[08:55] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: Wow... Thanks, man.
[08:55] <Digital_Pioneer> True.
[08:56] <TheGateKeeper> Digital_Pioneer: true, there are loads of String Manipulation functions like strcmp etc etc in c/c++
[08:56] <nagyv> shiv: try instead option -R and ./ without asterisks
[08:56] <Digital_Pioneer> TheGateKeeper: Yeah, but I'm only learning C++... We haven't even covered arrays yet. LOL
[08:57] <koli> hi all
[08:57] <koli> how do i change my default boot system?
[08:57] <nastas> cryptonic: still there?
[08:57] <cryptonic> well the partition i want to mount is on a sata drive
[08:58] <nastas> and?
[08:58] <nagyv> koli: to what?
[08:58] <teledyn> does anyone know why transers to a usbdrive would be extremely slow?
[08:58] <TheGateKeeper> Digital_Pioneer: there you go: http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/  no more excuses lol
[08:58] <cryptonic> and the first partition on that drive is already mounted, 95gig partition = system partition
[08:58] <cryptonic> but the second partition does not mount
[08:58] <shiv> nagyv: where do I put the ./
[08:59] <Digital_Pioneer> TheGateKeeper: :)
[08:59] <koli> i use dual boot of kubuntu with xp sp2
[08:59] <koli> how do i make dhe default system to be windows?
[08:59] <beemer> Digital - try this script out on the command line and see if it gives you the right file names:
[08:59] <Digital_Pioneer> TheGateKeeper: C++ is a kinda big language, isn't it? ;)
[08:59] <beemer> export IFS=$'\n';for h in `ls -l Title* | cut -c 49-`; do title=`echo $h | cut -f 1 -d \ `; artist=`echo $h | cut -f 3 -d \ | cut -f 1 -d .`; echo $artist - $title.mp3;done
[08:59] <nastas> the first partition's format is???   ext2?
[09:00] <nagyv> shiv: actually with chmod -R 700 /home/yourdir/somedir/ you will chmod all the files under somedir and its children directories
[09:00] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: What are the params?
[09:00] <cryptonic> its ext3
[09:00] <cryptonic> so is the second
[09:00] <nagyv> koli: in /boot/grub/menu.lst you will find the answer
[09:00] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: I assume I have to call it with some sort of instruction...
[09:00] <DaSkreech> Digital_Pioneer: can't amarok do that?
[09:01] <koli> nagyv
[09:01] <nastas> and the partition you want to mount is fat 32?
[09:01] <beemer> there's no params - just run it from the directory where the mp3's are - it won't do anything yet - just produce a list of filenames
[09:01] <koli> how do i modify it?
[09:01] <beemer> just paste the whole line to the command prompt and hit enter
[09:01] <DaSkreech> TheGateKeeper: No big friend of Freespire?
[09:01] <javax> awwwwwwww no
[09:01] <Digital_Pioneer> DaSkreech: Can it? AmaroK is the reason I need the script in the first place.
[09:01] <TheGateKeeper> Digital_Pioneer: well yes, but it doesn't take that long to get the basics & start being productive
[09:01] <javax> i think apt has stalled while i was upgrading to edgy
[09:01] <shiv> nagyv: I want to make the scripts executable thats all
[09:01] <cryptonic> at first it was fat32 but couldnt get it mounting so i formated it to ext3
[09:01] <javax> oooooh it hasnt thank god
[09:02] <nagyv> koli: open up a konsole, and write the command sudo kate
[09:02] <TheGateKeeper> DaSkreech: NOT Freespire or Linspire
[09:02] <shiv> nagyv: this did not do it sudo chmod -R 700 ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts ./
[09:02] <nastas> you can mount anything
[09:02] <cryptonic> there is a swap partition in between
[09:02] <DaSkreech> Digital_Pioneer: Depending on what version you have It should be able to do that
[09:02] <Digital_Pioneer> TheGateKeeper: cout << "I know the very VERY basic basics already. ;)" << endl;
[09:02] <nastas> i  am mounting an external ntfs hdd
[09:02] <DaSkreech> TheGateKeeper: Why?
[09:02] <Digital_Pioneer> DaSkreech: I have 1.4.4
[09:02] <TheGateKeeper> Digital_Pioneer: :-)
[09:02] <DaSkreech> That should do it :)
[09:03] <nagyv> shiv: sudo chmod -R 700 ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/
[09:03] <javax> Linspire is a commercial whore
[09:03] <cryptonic> so am i but i cant mount two partitions on the same drive for some odd reason
[09:03] <javax> clawing back the money again after being sued
[09:03] <shiv> nagyv: no luck :(
[09:03] <Digital_Pioneer> DaSkreech: The problem is, Amarok sees it all backwards. It looks at those names, and gets the titles and artists mixed up.
[09:04] <nastas> did you try to add a line in fstab?
[09:04] <DaSkreech> I think you can set that up somewhere :(
[09:04] <nastas> cryptonic: did you try to add a line in fstab?
[09:04] <cryptonic> how do i add a line
[09:04] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: ls: Title*: No such file or directory
[09:04] <nagyv> shiv: is it a network-mounted drive?
[09:04] <steff> duane_: actually i installed opera.. pretty good isn't it ?
[09:04] <cryptonic> nastas: how do i add a line in fstab
[09:05] <nastas> run: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[09:05] <beemer> oh sorry - change that to *.mp3
[09:05] <shiv> nagyv: no I am just using some iso files that I want to be mounted
[09:05] <dats> hello
[09:05] <beemer> from the part that says Title*
[09:05] <nastas> cryptonic: in  a console :)
[09:05] <javax> any ideas on how to get Logitech MX610 wireless usb mouse working in Kubuntu??? /q
[09:05] <dats> can anybody help my in e-17 compilation ?
[09:05] <nagyv> shiv: aha, so you would like execute the files on your iso, that's it?
[09:06] <shiv> nagyv: ya
[09:06] <cryptonic> nastas: what should i add?
[09:06] <nagyv> shiv: you can not change the mod, because the iso is unwriteable, but you can execute the files on it somehow
[09:07] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: BTW, can you put my full nick (you should be able to just hit tab after a few letters) so I get notified on your messages?
[09:07] <beemer> Digital_Pioneer: sure :)
[09:07] <shiv> nagyv:  I am trying to use these scripts http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=149963&highlight=bin+cue
[09:07] <nastas> you will see the line with the first partition and you will add almost the same but with the partition you want to mount
[09:07] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: Thanks. :) That helps.
[09:07] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: Did you get the output I gave you?
[09:07] <shiv> nagyv: see reply #3
[09:08] <beemer> Digital_Pioneer: yeah - in the first part of the script, change Title* to *.mp3
[09:08] <beemer> Digital_Pioneer: and it should run
[09:08] <DaSkreech> Digital_Pioneer: ask in #amarok if there is an option to switch that
[09:08] <DaSkreech> I'm sure there is
[09:08] <Digital_Pioneer> DaSkreech: I've been there before, they said to fix streamripper (that's what's making these files) LOL
[09:09] <Dieguete> hi kubunters
[09:09] <nastas> cryptonic: is there a line like: /dev/hda1  /media/hda1  linux.....???
[09:09] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: OK, it's not failing anymore....
[09:09] <beemer> Digital_Pioneer: but.... :)
[09:10] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: Running it in a dir with a file "x - y.mp3" it simply returns "x - 6-11-02.mp3"
[09:10] <cryptonic> # /dev/sda1
[09:10] <cryptonic> UUID=184e2a73-5e0c-4414-b2f5-e97e5272326a /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[09:10] <cryptonic> then i added
[09:10] <DaSkreech> Digital_Pioneer: Not a bad idea :)
[09:10] <scion> hello all
[09:10] <Digital_Pioneer> DaSkreech: Any ideas on doing that? :)
[09:10] <cryptonic> # /dev/sda3
[09:11] <cryptonic> UUID=184e2a73-5e0c-4414-b2f5-e97e5272326a /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[09:11] <DaSkreech> C++ :-D
[09:11] <cryptonic> still not showing up in nautilus though
[09:11] <nastas> cryptonic: is sda1 mounting?
[09:11] <nagyv> shiv: are you using nautilus or konqueror as your file manager?
[09:11] <beemer> Digital_Pioneer: can you paste like 2 lines from this command (run in your mp3 directory): ls -l *.mp3
[09:12] <Digital_Pioneer> DaSkreech: *Sigh* I _could_ try to hack it... But I still have many files that need a batch rename.
[09:12] <shiv> nagyv: nautilus
[09:12] <cryptonic> what i see in nautilus is filesystem
[09:12] <cryptonic> not sda's
[09:12] <nastas> sda is not mounting?
[09:12] <cryptonic> i see my usb disks too
[09:12] <nastas> but no sda's
[09:12] <cryptonic> nah
[09:13] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: Not sure what you mean?
[09:13] <nastas> try to delete the "#" from the fstab
[09:13] <beemer> Digital_Pioneer: at a command prompt, make sure you are in your mp3 path.  then type ls -l *.mp3
[09:13] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: -rw-r--r-- 1 digitalpioneer digitalpioneer 2 2006-11-02 14:04 x - y.mp3
[09:14] <nagyv> shiv: who is the owner of your actual ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts files?
[09:14] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: It's taking the date instead of the name.
[09:14] <beemer> Digital_Pioneer: ok
[09:14] <shiv> nagyv: how do I know that? it should be shiv
[09:14] <Foob> anyone here have two monitors set up?
[09:14] <Foob> I have it 'almost' working.. but my smaller screen is acting funkiy
[09:14] <Xzyx987X> hey, how do you set up kde to start automatically at boot? I messed something up in my kubuntu install while installing the beta nvidia drivers and I'm booting to the command line
[09:14] <nastas> cryptonic: ?
[09:14] <cryptonic> that does nothing
[09:15] <shiv> nagyv: I forgot how I did this last time. I think I added a + or sh somewhere
[09:15] <nastas> did you reboot the system?
[09:15] <Foob> the image is 'offset' or something... when I go to click it registers 200px to the right of where the cursor is
[09:15] <nagyv> shiv: (I think you will be right, but anyway), open up konqueror (or nautilus if you prefer :) ), and in the location bar type /home/shiv/.gnome2
[09:15] <beemer> Digital_Pioneer: ok - try this - change 49 to 79 in the script (where it says cut -c 49-)
[09:15] <Bubba_Gump> :D
[09:15] <nagyv> shiv: and then navigate to the nautilus-scripts directory
[09:16] <shiv> I did that
[09:16] <shiv> then?
[09:16] <Digital_Pioneer> That gives no output.
[09:16] <dhq> fdoving: when i run any moc=vie i can hear the audio but i get a blank screen why is that i guess i have all the codec installed
[09:16] <nastas> cryptonic: ?
[09:16] <cryptonic> didnt reboot
[09:16] <nagyv> shiv: right, and select something like properties, and search the tabs for an owner, probably you will be able to change the permissions here file-by-file too
[09:16] <Foob> Xzyx987X:  does your gui start up when you execute: kdm
[09:16] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: No output, and my file is still x - y instead of y - x.
[09:16] <cryptonic> should i ?
[09:17] <fdoving> dhq: what player?
[09:17] <nastas> yep
[09:17] <cryptonic> cool
[09:17] <cryptonic> see ya in a sec
[09:17] <nastas> try
[09:17] <Xzyx987X> didn't try it, x would have to be stated first though, right?
[09:17] <nastas> ok
[09:17] <dhq> fdoving: all the players i hav
[09:17] <beemer> Digital_Pioneer: shoot - ooops - change it to 63 actually - man did I miscount
[09:17] <fdoving> dhq: do you have mplayer installed?
[09:17] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: LOL
[09:18] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: Wonderful. It said y - x.mp3... But the problem remains: My file is still x - y.mp3.
[09:18] <Digital_Pioneer> ;)
[09:18] <Xzyx987X> there was an erroneous line in x's log...
[09:18] <Xzyx987X> (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom
[09:19] <Xzyx987X> that appeared sveral times
[09:19] <beemer> Digital_Pioneer: right :) ok - where it says (near the end) echo $artist - $title.mp3; change that to cp $h $artist\ \-\ $title.mp3
[09:19] <beemer> ok going afk a few min
[09:19] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: OK, one sec.
[09:21] <nastas> cryptonic: ?
[09:21] <cryptonic> nastas: didnt work
[09:21] <nastas> ok
[09:21] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: Beautiful.
[09:21] <Foob> Xzyx987X: I don't think so... I changed my runlevel 2 so that it didn't load the gui and then I could test my setup by doing a: /etc/init.d/kdm start|stop
[09:21] <morghanphoenix> LjL should be happy, I'm giving firefox another chance.
[09:22] <Foob> Xzyx987X: I had that too... they put in the device stanza for some wacky input peripherals
[09:22] <LjL> me? happy? i use konqueror
[09:22] <morghanphoenix> As do I, usually, but not everything renders right in konq for me.
[09:23] <Xzyx987X> if I wanted to do a non-gui bootup I'd just use recovery mode
[09:23] <Xzyx987X> I like my default login to have a gui :P
[09:23] <hazard> is there any way to make xwindows change the screen resolution on a temporary basis without root access?
[09:23] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: Sorry, but now it says "cp: invalid option --"
[09:23] <morghanphoenix> But if I remember corretly it was you who was anti-closed source
[09:23] <hazard> (so I can make starcraft run full screen?)
[09:23] <LjL> hazard: yes, ctrl/alt/+ and ctrl/alt/-, though for some reason (well, there's a bug filed) that doesn't work on my edgy
[09:23] <Foob> Xzyx987X: my default runlevel is still 5... or gui'ed but if I want to debug I just change my inittab to boot to runlevel 2
[09:24] <Foob> I also made sure that rc2 had just the bare minimum of services and whatnot
[09:24] <hazard> Hrm...
[09:24] <Foob> but I digress...
[09:24] <Xzyx987X> wait, where is the inittab file supposed to be located again?
[09:25] <hazard> LjL that dosen't work
[09:25] <Foob> it's in etc/inittab
[09:25] <zorgluuu>  in /etc/inittab
[09:25] <hazard> Could it be because I only have one resolution configured?
[09:25] <fdoving> edgy doesn't have a inittab.
[09:25] <zorgluuu> yes there :)
[09:25] <Foob> it doesn't?
[09:25] <fdoving> and the default runlevel is not 5, it's 2.
[09:25] <Foob> not if you change it :)
[09:25] <fdoving> it's configured in /etc/event.d/
[09:25] <zorgluuu> oh btw is the edgy boot significantly faster than dapper one ?
[09:25] <maelcum> hi! short question: are there any binaries available of kopete with the icq protocol support fixed?
[09:25] <fdoving> if you upgraded to edgy from dapper, the /etc/inittab settings will be preserved.
[09:25] <Foob> I think it's a good thing to have different running states
[09:25] <LjL> hazard: perhaps it could be because you're on edgy, as i said
[09:26] <hazard> I'm not.
[09:26] <hazard> I'm using Dapper
[09:26] <LjL> hazard: then yes, it's because you only have one resolution configured.
[09:26] <fdoving> maelcum: yes, http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/
[09:26] <hazard> :P
[09:26] <hazard> How do I fix that?
[09:26] <maelcum> fdoving: thx, w00t!
[09:26] <hazard> (I know I can do resolutions less than 1024x768?
[09:27] <Xzyx987X> lol, I think I found the problem. my inittab file is gone
[09:27] <Xzyx987X> dunno how that happened
[09:27] <fdoving> Xzyx987X: are you on edgy?
[09:27] <hazard> Mutant cheese bunnies.
[09:27] <hazard> Only logical conclusion.
[09:27] <Xzyx987X> yes
[09:27] <fdoving> Xzyx987X: then you shouldn't have a inittab file unless you upgraded from dapper
[09:27] <Xzyx987X> oh
[09:27] <fdoving> Xzyx987X: everything is configured in /etc/event.d/ now.
[09:27] <Xzyx987X> ok, then what do I have?
[09:27] <LjL> hazard: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and select more resolutions
[09:28] <zorgluuu> q. is the edgy boot significantly faster than dapper one ?
[09:28] <hazard> Okies
[09:28] <LjL> zorgluuu: yes
[09:28] <Xzyx987X> ok, I'll look there for errouneos settings...
[09:28] <fdoving> Xzyx987X: /etc/event.d/rc-default configures the default runlevel.
[09:28] <fdoving> Xzyx987X: if that's what you're looking for..
[09:28] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: BTW, should be cut -c 64. ;)
[09:28] <nagyv> will the edgy boot be backported to dapper?
[09:29] <Foob> ... yeah - that's probably not what he's looking for.. I was just commenting on how I could 'start' the gui'ing by starting up kdm from the command line.
[09:29] <fdoving> nagyv: my guess would be, no.
[09:29] <beemer> Digital_Pioneer: i'll check in a bit but I have to go to a meeting for 30-45 min
[09:29] <Foob> if he finds out why that isn't working then it'll probably start up automagically
[09:29] <JanK> what resolution/frequency is the kubuntu loading screen? (my tft says "out of oporating range") before the kdm-login appears and shortly after grub has finished.
[09:29] <beemer> Digital_Pioneer: sorry I couldn't get it going yet
[09:29] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: OK, NP.
[09:29] <nagyv> I mean, I have heard a couple of bad things about edgy, so affraid of upgrading, but everyone says that the boot is much better.
[09:29] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: I'm almost always on #uira if I'm not here.
[09:30] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: And I'm not here much. ;)
[09:30] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: I'll keep fooling with it, see if I can fix it. Thanks man.
[09:30] <zorgluuu> nagyv: you can wait a few month until it stabilize a bit
[09:30] <Xzyx987X> ok... the file is there but the runlevel is 5...
[09:30] <Xzyx987X> that should be normal, right?
[09:30] <Foob> Xzyx987X:  yeah that's fine.
[09:30] <fdoving> JanK: you can configure that yourself. don't know about the defaults. take a look at /etc/usplash.conf
[09:30] <flavio> does anybody know where to find the kubuntu system settings app source code? help me please!
[09:31] <Xzyx987X> so that's not the problem then...
[09:31] <hazard> oh, krud, now I'll have to remember how to fix dmps.
[09:31] <Foob> Xzyx987X: what happens when you try and start kdm:  /etc/init.d/kdm start
[09:31] <fdoving> flavio: in konsole, run 'apt-get source kde-systemsettings'
[09:31] <Xzyx987X> I didn't try... ok, back in 5 minutes I guess :P
[09:32] <flavio> fdoving: thank you! i'll try it
[09:33] <nagyv> zorgluuu: but in a few months already Feisty Fawn will be the recent one :)
[09:33] <zorgluuu> nagyv: yep but new bug will comes :)
[09:34] <nagyv> flavio: try in irc.kde.org #kde
[09:34] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: I got it!
[09:35] <JanK> how to setup the resolution and frequeny of the Kubuntu loading screen, which appears after grub and before the login? (it seems to be higher than 1200x1024 or 60hz)
[09:35] <zorgluuu> JanK: this is called the usplash
[09:35] <zorgluuu> !usplash
[09:35] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: I took out the escape chars (\) and put the cp directives in quotes. Then, I changed cp to mv (only need one, with the right name!) and it works!!! :D
[09:35] <ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before the login screen appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[09:35] <flavio> nagyv: i'm trying what fdoving suggested
[09:35] <zorgluuu> JanK: i dunno if the page has the info you are looking for
[09:36] <flavio> nagyv: i also think this is kubuntu specific
[09:36] <JanK> im going to look there thank you :)
[09:36] <timinphx1> Hi all, just jumped in,sorry if redundant. Is anyone having problems after todays updates? My X-server isn't booting when I get it done manually, I have no Kicker
[09:37] <nagyv> flavio: I agree, but since seemingly we can (could) not help you, you can not loose with it ;)
[09:37] <LjL> i haven't even seen any updates today :o)
[09:38] <timinphx1> I had 7 or 8
[09:39] <trex_> what is the spanish channel?
[09:39] <fdoving> !es
[09:39] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[09:39] <Digital_Pioneer> beemer: Well, when I actually put it in the real deal... Not so lucky. If you haven't already gone, have fun at your meeting. :)
[09:41] <Xzyx987X> ok, if I start kdm right after logging in it says it's already started
[09:41] <DaSkreech> Is there a power outage in Texas or something?
[09:41] <Xzyx987X> if I try to restart it the system locks up
[09:43] <Xzyx987X> I really wish linux's gui archetecture was simplified a bit...
[09:43] <flavio> fdoving: mission complete! thank you so much!
[09:43] <Xzyx987X> I don't see what kde couldn't just interface with linix directly rather that going through x
[09:44] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: once you understand whats going on you won't feel that way
[09:44] <Xzyx987X> I don't really understand why you need x in the first place
[09:44] <Xzyx987X> linux should handle the drivers, and the window manager should handle the drawing
[09:45] <Xzyx987X> what else do you need?
[09:45] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: drawing to what?
[09:45] <Xzyx987X> the screen via the driver interface
[09:45] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: you're missing a few layers there. :)
[09:45] <Xzyx987X> like?
[09:46] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: If you do that, then all your apps need to be written for that window manager
[09:46] <Xzyx987X> naw, wxWidgets style stuff gets around that
[09:46] <TheGateKeeper> Xzyx987X: fairly obvious you don't understand X, it has a client server achitecture there is more too it than just running a desktop pc
[09:46] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: and the window manager would need to know how to draw very primitive things and become a bloated mess.
[09:47] <Xzyx987X> only if it was poorly designed...
[09:48] <hazard> Gah!
[09:48] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: you need to do some reading. :)
[09:48] <Xzyx987X> you would obviously implement the primitive drawing rutines in a sublibrary...
[09:48] <hazard> the reconfigurator for x11.conf borked up
[09:48] <hazard> there, now I'm back on my old file.
[09:48] <hazard> what color mode is 256colors?
[09:48] <bipolar> hazard: umm... 16bit?
[09:48] <bipolar> no, 8
[09:49] <Xzyx987X> all I know is, the whole linux scence in general is too dependant on configuration
[09:49] <Xzyx987X> all the independant apps being put in charge of vital os tasks is just asking for trouble
[09:49] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: all I know is, the whole car manufatuing scene is too dependant on mechanics
[09:49] <timinphx1> there always Microsoft!!  ha ha ha
[09:50] <nnn0> M$ is bankrupt next year
[09:50] <hazard> Which is a giant mess of regestry dependency.
[09:50] <Xzyx987X> ...I started using linux so I could stay away from vista...
[09:50] <Xzyx987X> but as it turns out, linux has it's own problems...
[09:50] <hazard> There is no PERFECT os.
[09:50] <nnn0> plan9
[09:50] <timinphx1> It was a joke 8-)
[09:50] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: trust me, once you understand how it works, and *why* it's built that way, you will feel much better about it.
[09:50] <BluesKaj> there is no magic bullet '
[09:51] <bipolar> theres more then one way to skin a cat... er... or something.
[09:51] <hazard> What do the 'virtual' lines mean in the "Display" subsections in Xorg.conf mean?
[09:51] <bipolar> hazard: you can have a desktop thats bigger then the actual display size
[09:51] <bipolar> hazard: not all that useful any more
[09:52] <hazard> Yea.
[09:52] <Xzyx987X> look, all I'm saying, is if linux ever wants to crack the desktop market they've got to make it harder to keep it from crashing and burning
[09:52] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: those kinds of things are being worked on all the time. it keeps getting better.
[09:52] <hazard> Is there a way to restart Xwindows without logging out (and having to close everything?)
[09:52] <Xzyx987X> and eliminated some of the excess of components would definately help that
[09:53] <nnn0> you could always run QNX :)
[09:53] <hazard> Or headless Debian.
[09:53] <bipolar> hazard: not really. all the apps are children of the XServer, so to speak.
[09:53] <hazard> well, I'll be back then
[09:53] <timinphx1> I think ubuntu has made great stides in that direction
[09:53] <Xzyx987X> I mean, it's no wonder ms still has the lead with the state of the competition
[09:53] <TheGateKeeper> Xzyx987X: use a more stable distro then, hell you have over 300 to choose from...
[09:54] <Xzyx987X> I assume there would be the same problem all around
[09:54] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: heh... I guess you've never seen what a windows machine does if it's display drivers fubar
[09:54] <nnn0> QNX is like nuclear reactor kind of OS :)
[09:55] <Xzyx987X> that being, one tiny mistake in a configuration file in the most obscure place, and you won't be able to fix it without hours of sifting through documentation
[09:55] <timinphx1> Windows registry is way worse
[09:55] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: thats why you back up your config file before changing it.
[09:55] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: then all you have to do is copy the original version back
[09:55] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: you can't do that in windows.
[09:55] <Xzyx987X> even then, what just happened to me with losing the kde login screen had nothing to do with a configuration file...
[09:56] <Xzyx987X> and yes you can...
[09:56] <BluesKaj> Xzyx987X, I used several linux disros including suse , debian a, mandriva etc and so far Kubuntu is the best in terms of hardware recogintion and useability , which to me is the most important aspect of anOS
[09:56] <Xzyx987X> it hapened when I was installing a driver package...
[09:56] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: how? backing up the whole registry?
[09:56] <TheGateKeeper> Xzyx987X: why are you trolling ?
[09:56] <DaSkreech> TheGateKeeper: he's expressing right now
[09:56] <timinphx1> I agree BluesKay!
[09:57] <TheGateKeeper> DaSkreech: I have doubts about that...
[09:57] <Xzyx987X> not intentionally trolling, just ended up that way...
[09:57] <DaSkreech> Xzyx987X: the fact is that X is very capable and it needs a large deal of flexibilty
[09:57] <DaSkreech> Xzyx987X: As such it has a hefty configuration file
[09:58] <bipolar> To be honest, the Xorg.conf file doesn't need much in it. Anymore X autoconfigs itself for the most part
[09:58] <Xzyx987X> the configuration file isn't the problem, the problem is it doesn't automatically handle error
[09:58] <Xzyx987X> s
[09:58] <DaSkreech> Xzyx987X: It can probably use some better management for people who need it to do simple thngs but try and accept it for what it is
[09:58] <Xzyx987X> which is a must for and component of that importance to the system imo
[09:58] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: it sounds like the problem in your case is not X, but rather KDM
[09:58] <DaSkreech> Xzyx987X: I don't think that X should do that for the scenario you are painting
[09:59] <TheGateKeeper> Xzyx987X: what exactly is the problem & how did you get there?
[09:59] <Xzyx987X> either way, if the components were integated I bet the source of the problem would be easier to track down
[09:59] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: if KDM is already running, starting it again will probbly start another X server on another virtual terminal.
[09:59] <DaSkreech> but if you really think that it's a problem bring it up with the people who make X and if they listen to your explanation at least pay them the courtesy of listening to thiers :)
[09:59] <Xzyx987X> kubuntu quit booting to the kde login screen basically
[09:59] <hazard> Ok, how do I get X to change resolutions?
[10:00] <Xzyx987X> after installing the beta nvidia drivers
[10:00] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: it doesn't work that way. when you integrate too many things together, it becomes HARDER to track problems down.
[10:00] <hazard> I put a second resolution entry in xorg.conf, but I can't seem to change to it.
[10:00] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: um.... beta?
[10:00] <Xzyx987X> ...well the drivers run fine
[10:00] <Xzyx987X> I'm running them right not
[10:00] <Xzyx987X> *now
[10:00] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: does X start?
[10:00] <TheGateKeeper> Xzyx987X: I see linux is crap because you have installed beta drivers
[10:00] <Xzyx987X> I'm in kde right now
[10:01] <DaSkreech> TheGateKeeper: Stop trolling :)
[10:01] <TheGateKeeper> DaSkreech: I rest my case ^^^^
[10:01] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: er... please be specific. what is not working?
[10:01] <DaSkreech> TheGateKeeper: Heehee
[10:01] <hazard> Problem:
[10:01] <DaSkreech> Solution:
[10:01] <Xzyx987X> I'm not saying it's crap, I'm syaing a good os would not allow itself to get that screwed up
[10:01] <hazard> How do I have xserver change resoltuions and color depths?
[10:01] <hazard> from say, the command line?
[10:01] <DaSkreech> Xzyx987X: Ah! I think I see the problem
[10:02] <Xzyx987X> do tell
[10:02] <bipolar> hazard: well, you can check out the xrandr command.
[10:02] <DaSkreech> Xzyx987X: X is not an OS
[10:02] <hazard> Oh, so a GOOD OS can't do anything you want...
[10:02] <DaSkreech> It's program
[10:02] <DaSkreech> Like ls or find or Firefox
[10:02] <hazard> checking bipolar
[10:02] <DaSkreech> markowka: Hiya
[10:02] <Xzyx987X> no kidding, but it has become a vital os component nonetheless
[10:02] <DaSkreech> Xzyx987X: No it hasn't
[10:02] <Xzyx987X> which is part of the problem really
[10:02] <DaSkreech> It's vital to you
[10:02] <DaSkreech> Much like how Firefox is vital to me
[10:03] <Xzyx987X> well, it's vital to anyone who wants a gui...
[10:03] <DaSkreech> and if Firefox gets broken I get steamed
[10:03] <DaSkreech> but it's just a program
[10:03] <hazard> I actually don't like xwindows much it eatsup too much memory ( I perfer systems with no GUI)
[10:03] <timinphx1> is anyone having a problem with x not starting during boot...I just started having that issue?
[10:03] <nnn0> CLI owns
[10:03] <TheGateKeeper> Xzyx987X: go and install Sabayon, comes with nvidia drivers pre-installed
[10:03] <DaSkreech> Xzyx987X: two things. One learn how to use CLI enough to fix X and you will get a better appreciation of it
[10:04] <DaSkreech> Xzyx987X: And look at how X works and see how to make it simpler for people to use
[10:04] <Xzyx987X> I've fixed it several times before, wasting hourse of my life I will never get back...
[10:04] <hazard> Nope, xrandr confuses me.
[10:04] <DaSkreech> But it is just a program and one that relies on a few other also trepid programs
[10:04] <Xzyx987X> but as for this problem, I can't even find the source
[10:05] <DaSkreech> Like your beta drivers
[10:05] <hazard> I'm confused. Instead of egging on the troll, how about some help?
[10:05] <Xzyx987X> I gurentee you if I uninstalled them it wouldn't go away
[10:05] <Xzyx987X> the beta drivers actually work better once they're running than the regular ones
[10:06] <timinphx1> that wouldn't be as interesting
[10:06] <nnn0> there is a textbased gui though - don'tremember it's name
[10:06] <Xzyx987X> I think the problem was I installed the from a standalone rather that a package...
[10:06] <DaSkreech> Ok so just to establish You don't actually need any help right now?
[10:06] <hazard> I do!!
[10:06] <Xzyx987X> I do need help, I want kde's loging screen to start when I boot again
[10:06] <Xzyx987X> is that too much to ask?
[10:06] <hazard> Yes.
[10:07] <timinphx1> Me too!!
[10:07] <timinphx1> Xzyx987X: What was your initial issue?
[10:09] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: what happens now when you boot?
[10:10] <Random_Transit> #join mpeg4
[10:10] <Random_Transit> err
[10:10] <Random_Transit> can anyone tell me why i can't edit song info for m4a files??
[10:12] <DaSkreech> Amarok?
[10:13] <DaSkreech> timinphx1, bipolar: I'm helping in PM
[10:13] <bipolar> DaSkreech: cool
[10:14] <timinphx1> Don't forget poor hazard
[10:14] <hazard> Yea.
[10:14] <hazard> Don't forget me.
[10:15] <hazard> timing: 640x480@75 Hz (VESA) <- I need a model line for that for my x11 conf file I think.
[10:15] <nickste> Man, the only thing stopping me from fully using kubuntu is lack of flash support in 64bit :(
[10:16] <DaSkreech> ~/.xsession-errors is appeneded to at the top or bottom?
[10:16] <bipolar> hazard: what are you displaying on that uses such a low res?
[10:16] <Random_Transit> can anyone help me?
[10:16] <hazard> Nothing, but I want to be able to swtich resolutions
[10:17] <hazard> which I can't.
[10:17] <Random_Transit> i'm just wondering why i can't edit song info for m4a files??
[10:17] <hazard> since only 1024x768 is configured.
[10:17] <hazard> Random_Transit: from itunes?
[10:17] <Random_Transit> no
[10:17] <hazard> IK dunno then.
[10:17] <bipolar> hazard: ahh... ok.
[10:18] <bipolar> hazard: what color depth are you using? 32bit I'd guess..
[10:19] <DaSkreech> Random_Transit: From Amarok?
[10:19] <hazard> actuallyk, I want the 640x480 to be 256 colors
[10:19] <Random_Transit> yes
[10:19] <bipolar> hazard: hmm... I wonder how X handles switching color depths
[10:19] <hazard> but I'd go for 'working switching' for starters
[10:19] <DaSkreech> Random_Transit: I think that they are still adding in support what version are you running?
[10:19] <hazard> :)
[10:19] <bipolar> hazard: make a backup of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to start :)
[10:19] <Random_Transit> DaSkreech, 1.4.3
[10:20] <hazard> I did.
[10:20] <hazard> I've also created display subsections in my conf file for "640x480@75" in my conf file
[10:21] <hazard> wow, I must be tired.
[10:21] <bipolar> hazard: I don't think you need to do that.
[10:21] <hazard> well, nothing has exploded, and it seemed like a good place to start.
[10:21] <bipolar> hazard: i'll message you....
[10:21] <hazard> I don't have a registered nick if that matters.
[10:22] <nickste> What is a better msn alternative to kopete?
[10:23] <DaSkreech> amsn
[10:23] <Random_Transit> yeah
[10:23] <Random_Transit> or kmess
[10:23] <nickste> ta
[10:23] <nickste> aaahhhh! Beryl is sooo awesome!
[10:23] <Random_Transit> !beryl
[10:23] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/  -  Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl.
[10:23] <Random_Transit> hmm
[10:23] <hazard> bipolar: I've only got one for 1024x768
[10:24] <bipolar> hazard: so add to it. :)
[10:24] <hazard> well, that's what I did.
[10:24] <hazard> and in the same form.
[10:25] <hazard> but I still can't change.
[10:25] <bipolar> hazard: you would want something like: Modes           "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[10:25] <bipolar> hazard: then you need to restart X to accept the config
[10:25] <bipolar> hazard: also, what is your monitor? is it an LCD?
[10:25] <hazard> yes
[10:25] <hazard> a sony one
[10:26] <hazard> what about the section under monitor with the model line?
[10:26] <bipolar> hazard: is it capible of using non-native resolutions?
[10:26] <bthibault> hi, where can i ask a question about printing (cups)
[10:26] <hazard> that still only says "1024x768"
[10:26] <apokryphos> bthibault: #ubuntu is better
[10:26] <bipolar> hazard: model lines?
[10:26] <hazard> I have no idea, all I want are 1024x768 & 640x480SVGA which it supports (as its what the bios uses)
[10:27] <bthibault> thanks
[10:27] <hazard> in the monitor section
[10:27] <caribou7> Are there instructions anywhere for installing XMMS plugins that are not in the Kubuntu repositories?  I specifically would like to install the MPlayer Input Plugin.
[10:27] <bipolar> hazard: comment out that line.
[10:27] <apokryphos> caribou7: xmms? Geh
[10:27] <hazard> comments are # right?
[10:27] <bipolar> hazard: modern versions of X using modern hardware do not need them.
[10:27] <bipolar> hazard: it will be autodetected.
[10:28] <bipolar> hazard: yes, #
[10:28] <Mr_Pan> how can delete a failed packet (xfonts.intl.european) from apt-upgrade ?
[10:28] <caribou7> apokryphos: Do I make comments about your choice of players?  XMMS has some plugins I want to use.
[10:28] <hazard> so, for now I made my 'modes' line iunder the display subsection "1024x768@60""640x480@75"
[10:29] <apokryphos> caribou7: #ubuntu is better
[10:29] <hazard> can I comment out the virtual ine?
[10:29] <bipolar> hazard: I'd remove the "@xx" from the end.
[10:29] <bipolar> hazard: yes. comment out the virtual line
[10:29] <caribou7> Thanks.
[10:29] <hazard> anything else?
[10:30] <bipolar> hazard: well, if you paste your config file into the query I sent you mine in, I'll look it over to be sure.
[10:30] <hazard> I can't, non-regiserted nicks can't send messages.
[10:30] <bipolar> gah....
[10:30] <hazard> bipolar: ^^
[10:31] <bipolar> hazard: well, register. :)
[10:31] <hazard> I'd just forget the password (and someone else already has this nick reged I think)
[10:31] <timinphx1> how/where does one register?
[10:31] <bipolar> hazard: try pastebin....
[10:31] <hazard> how do you /join again?
[10:32] <bipolar> hazard: /join #channelname
[10:32] <hazard> Oh, there we go.
[10:32] <hazard> you there/here/wherver?
[10:33] <bipolar> hazard: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org << paste your config file there
[10:33] <bipolar> hazard: to get to this channel, /join #kubuntu
[10:33] <hazard> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29925/
[10:34] <flaccid> don't you love it when you get to work and go to use net bank to get money for coffee and the bank's site is down
[10:35] <bipolar> hazard: that looks clean. give it a shot
[10:35] <hazard> should I just restart or is there some easier way to restart X?
[10:36] <trispace> hazard: ctrl-alt-backspace
[10:36] <bipolar> hazard: you can logout, then hit ctrl+alt+backspace. or go to a terminal outside X, and "/etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[10:37] <bipolar> ctrl+alt+backspace kills X instantly... so it's better to logout first. I hope you can read this... :P
[10:37] <trispace> bipolar: lol :)
[10:38] <caribou7> No, #ubuntu isn't better.  :(
[10:38] <timinphx1> well, you just answered a small part of my question/problem...thanks
[10:38] <bipolar> hey! he's back
[10:38] <bipolar> hazard: how's it look now?
[10:38] <hazard> Umm.. the same.
[10:39] <hazard> How'd I go about changing the resolution?
[10:39] <bipolar> hazard: hmmm...
[10:39] <bipolar> hazard: oh!
[10:39] <hazard> ctrl-alt-+ doesn't do anything
[10:39] <bipolar> hazard: run xrandr in a term and tell me what it says is available?
[10:40] <hazard> *0   1024 x 768    ( 302mm x 232mm )  *60
[10:40] <hazard>  1    512 x 384
[10:40] <hazard> oops
[10:40] <hazard> , I wanted to take some of those lines out
[10:40] <bipolar> 512x384.... weird
[10:40] <hazard> yea, that's what I got it to do last time.
[10:40] <hazard> I didn't get it to actually switch, but it said that.
[10:41] <bipolar> hazard: yeah. it won't switch unless you tell it to. let me give you a gui app to do it....
[10:41] <hazard> the system display settings are clueless about it to.
[10:42] <hazard> I'm running dapper still if that makes a diffrence
[10:43] <hazard> I'm fine with the command line (unless the commands are carcenegenicly long)
[10:43] <timinphx1> lol!
[10:43] <hazard> ?
[10:43] <DaSkreech> timinphx1, bipolar: I'm gone See if you can help Xzyx987X anymore
[10:43] <Xzyx987X> thatks for the help
[10:44] <Xzyx987X> I gotta restart before anything else
[10:44] <bipolar> I don't know what I can do. I'm on 3 things at once here ;P
[10:44] <bipolar> hazard: install krandrtray
[10:44] <hazard> resouces...thin...
[10:44] <hazard> how big is it?
[10:44] <DaSkreech> Xzyx987X: Wait
[10:44] <Xzyx987X> k...
[10:44] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get install irssi
[10:44] <bipolar> hazard: wait.... it's installed already probbly.
[10:44] <bipolar> hazard: run it :)
[10:45] <hazard> so it is
[10:45] <Xzyx987X> ah, t worked
[10:45] <hazard> nope, it tired to change, then switched back.
[10:45] <duane_> anyone know how to keep flash 9 from crashing every fucking 10 minutes?
[10:45] <hazard> it also says that its that weird size.
[10:46] <timinphx1> it's beta! I've had no problems with it though
[10:46] <bipolar> hazard: hmmm.... I don't know what to do at this point. let me finish this vpn install and I'll look at it again.
[10:46] <LjL> !language | duane_
[10:46] <ubotu> duane_: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:46] <hazard> bipolar: thanks for the help, but I've got to run to a class, perhaps later.
[10:47] <Xzyx987X> ah, it's a shell based irc client
[10:47] <bipolar> hazard: ok
[10:47] <Xzyx987X> I'll stick to xchat for now :P
[10:47] <duane_> sorry :(
[10:47] <timinphx1> duane: it's still beta, but haven't heard of any problems
[10:47] <hazard> later all
[10:48] <timinphx1> me too!
[10:49] <duane_> timinphx1: have you used it?
[10:54] <mariusz> k....
[10:54] <mariusz> podalby mi ktos jeszcze raz pl?
[10:55] <emanuele_> salve
[10:57] <firegirl> have any of you ever had problems with sound card configurations?
[10:57] <wa9no> hi, anyone knows how to unpack exe file ? (i need some win .inf and .sys for my wifi card)
[10:57] <canine_kouji> greaatt..
[10:57] <omicron> wa9no: try wine
[10:58] <canine_kouji> now Novell has deep relations with gnome, I know exactly what they're referring to by compatible technologies, they're talking about mono
[10:58] <canine_kouji> mono is a stinking heap of "Not Implemented" Crap :/
[10:58] <Dink> and Novell is joining up with M$
[10:58] <mariusz> pl pl?
[10:58] <MetaMorfoziS> can i oreder by package sizes in adept?
[10:58] <Dink> !pl
[10:58] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[10:58] <canine_kouji> Dink: I don't know what this will do to GNOME  :/
[10:59] <mariusz> dzieki
[10:59] <canine_kouji> Dink: This isn't good :(
[10:59] <Dink> honestly no idea
[10:59] <Dink> mariusz, zyous zwelcomes
[10:59] <anna> #ubuntu
[11:00] <Dink> and really i use kde so :P
[11:02] <wa9no> omicron: ive heared something that unzip can do the job (unpack exe)
[11:03] <omicron> wa9no: if it is an selfextracting zip file calle bla.exe i think: unzip bla.exe should work..
[11:04] <omicron> wa9no: if not just try: wine bla.exe worked for me several times
[11:04] <fdoving> wa9no: you can also try 'cabextract' (in universe)
[11:07] <FJ_Sanchez> Hi
[11:08] <FJ_Sanchez> I've a problem when plug in a usbdisk
[11:08] <FJ_Sanchez> I get the KDE popup and if I choose to open it mount the unit, but now the disk doesn't have the name it had before upgrading to Edgy
[11:08] <FJ_Sanchez> any help?
[11:11] <anna> hello
[11:15] <martin__> hiho
[11:15] <martin__> hello world
[11:16] <_tsdgeos> hi
[11:16] <jmichaelx> does anyone know of an edgy repo that contains ralink wireless drivers (rt2***)?
[11:16] <Pupeno> I have a monitor and a TV connected to a computer with a SiS card. I see the same thing in the TV as in the monitor, but if I run mplayer, I see a blue rectangle in the TV where in the monitor I see the video. Xine shows the video in both. Any idea how to make mplayer show the video in both or on the TV ?
[11:17] <jmichaelx> !ralink
[11:17] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:17] <_tsdgeos> Pupeno: it's one of the overlay options afair
[11:18] <cpk1> I seem to hava a java error trying to use youtube with konquerer, are there any known problems?
[11:18] <bipolar> ok... for future referance... *Upgrading* from the edgy CD seems to only work with the *Alternitive* CD, not the live CD.
[11:18] <trappist> cpk1: you mean javascript?
[11:18] <cpk1> trappist: yes, i was too lazy to type it all out =P
[11:19] <bipolar> apt can't find the package repository on the live CD
[11:19] <trappist> cpk1: it's an important distinction - they're two totally different things, and youtube doesn't use any java
[11:19] <jmichaelx> lupine_85: do you have (or know of) an edgy repo with ralink drivers?
[11:20] <cpk1> trappist: well considering that if i try the same page in FF youtube tells me that I might have javascript turned off I am pretty sure it does =)
[11:20] <jmichaelx> !rt2570
[11:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rt2570 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:23] <trappist> cpk1: still has nothing to do with java.  still a javascript error.  just wanted you to know that to avoid confusion, you need to distinguish between java and javascript.
[11:29] <manchicken> Anybody know where I can score some 1440x900 wps?
[11:31] <jhutchins_wk> !mp3
[11:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:39] <jonathan__> hi
[11:40] <jonathan__> i can't play videos flv helpme!!!!!
[11:41] <Xzyx987X> damnit, I still can't boot to the kde login screen, even though I fixed every problem I could find
[11:43] <fignew> what type of screen are you getting?
[11:43] <Xzyx987X> command prompt
[11:44] <Xzyx987X> I can start kde via startx, but that's the only way
[11:44] <fignew> try
[11:44] <fignew> sudo /etc/ini.d/kdm restart
[11:44] <fignew> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[11:45] <FJ_Sanchez> I have one question, before to upgrade to Edgy in Desktop properties --> Appareance --> Icon devices I could check an option for Unmounted removable devices but this option doesn't apperar now
[11:45] <FJ_Sanchez> Any idea?
[11:47] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: what do you get instead of the kde boot screen?
[11:48] <Xzyx987X> showed the splash screen for a minute, then froze on a creen with a flashing charot
[11:48] <bipolar> oh, nm
[11:48] <FJ_Sanchez> I have one question, before to upgrade to Edgy in Desktop properties --> Appareance --> Icon devices I could check an option for Unmounted removable devices but this option doesn't apperar now
[11:48] <Xzyx987X> what is that script of configure xorg again?
[11:48] <Xzyx987X> *to
[11:48] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: reboot, at the command line, login as your normal user. Run "ps aux > ps.log" then startx.
[11:48] <TheGateKeeper> FJ_Sanchez: have you tried using kcontrol to find what you are looking for?
[11:49] <bipolar> Xzyx987X: then come pack here. paste the ps.log file to pastebin so we can look at it.
[11:49] <Xzyx987X> ok, but what is the command to configure x quick?
[11:49] <bipolar> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:49] <bipolar> I think....
[11:49] <Bizzy> hey
[11:49] <Bizzy> ok, so, if i install kubuntu over 3 partitions /boot swap and / , as primary partitions 0 1 and 2, to take up 120 or so gb then have primary part 3 as another 120gb would i be able to run windows xp from that, if my bios doesnt like booting past 2gb ?
[11:51] <humanizer> Hi there!
[11:52] <LeeJunFan> Bizzy: it should, the bios will hand off control to grub by then.
[11:53] <Bizzy> so, stick grub in mbr and have boot as first part, and around 50mb, and use grub to chainload xp?
[11:54] <Furesho> if a linux distro can't handle -- let's say -- debian packages, is there a way you could make said distro handle deb packages?
[11:55] <LeeJunFan> Bizzy: yeah, as long as grub is your bootloader it really shouldn't matter if the bios doesn't like 2gB, grub will be within that first 2G.
[11:56] <manchicken> Furesho: You could always install dpkg and then just extract the packages.
[11:56] <manchicken> Furesho: That'd be a dirty hack though.
[11:58] <Xzyx987X> here's the log: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29928/
[11:58] <Hawkwind> Furesho: Smartpm is supposed to be capable of installing different package types on different OS's
[11:59] <Furesho> hmmmm........ Smartpm, ehhh?
[11:59] <Furesho> i'll look into smartpm first, then.
[11:59] <Furesho> thx to ya both ^__^
[12:00] <FJ_Sanchez> TheGateKeeper: I don't understand where can I found this there
[12:01] <TheGateKeeper> FJ_Sanchez: you won't find it on the menu, do Run Command... kcontrol
[12:01] <Xzyx987X> damnit, he quit without reading it...
[12:01] <Xzyx987X> anyone else wanna take a crack at this?
[12:02] <Xzyx987X> kubuntu is booting to the comand prompt after a botched audio driver install
[12:02] <Hawkwind> Xzyx987X: You wanting to boot to your normal KDM ?
[12:02] <Xzyx987X> yup
[12:02] <ubuntu_> hallo
[12:03] <FJ_Sanchez> Nothing there
[12:03] <Hawkwind> Xzyx987X: sudo update-rc.d kdm defaults
[12:03] <ubuntu_> kann man bei kubuntu die internet verbindung freigeben?
[12:03] <TheGateKeeper> FJ_Sanchez: what you running ?
[12:03] <Xzyx987X> System startup links for /etc/init.d/kdm already exist.
[12:03] <FJ_Sanchez> what?
[12:04] <ubuntu_> german
[12:04] <ubuntu_> ???
[12:04] <Hawkwind> !de
[12:04] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:04] <FJ_Sanchez> I only want to view my unmounted removable device icons on Desktop like I had in Dapper
[12:04] <FJ_Sanchez> Now I don't see this option in Desktop properties
[12:04] <Xzyx987X> so uh... does the message "System startup links for /etc/init.d/kdm already exist." mean it didn't work?
[12:04] <FJ_Sanchez> I can see them when are mounted, but doesn't before
[12:05] <TheGateKeeper> FJ_Sanchez: and kcontrol in edgy is not installed ??
[12:05] <FJ_Sanchez> It's
[12:05] <FJ_Sanchez> But nothing usesful there
[12:05] <Hawkwind> Xzyx987X: Not sure.  That command should set things back to normal and let you boot to KDM
[12:05] <Xzyx987X> I'll try to delete it and run the command again...
[12:06] <TheGateKeeper> FJ_Sanchez: konqueror --> storrage media ??
[12:06] <Ropechoborra> !webcam
[12:06] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[12:06] <TheGateKeeper> !usb
[12:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:06] <FJ_Sanchez> I only see cdrom0 sdb2 (i dunno what is this) and my windows partition
[12:07] <Mater> FJ_Sanchez, are you sure you cant change that in configure desktop?
[12:07] <FJ_Sanchez> But I cannot see my umounted removable device
[12:07] <Mater> second option, third tab
[12:07] <Ropechoborra> Why i cant run Easycam2 on kubuntu?
[12:07] <Ropechoborra> It says:   File "/usr/share/EasyCam2/easycam.py", line 25, in ?
[12:07] <Ropechoborra>     import gnome.ui
[12:07] <Ropechoborra> ImportError: No module named gnome.u
[12:07] <Xzyx987X> well, if it's deleted it complains about the file not existing...
[12:08] <FJ_Sanchez> If I go to Desktop properties --> Appareance --> Device Icons
[12:08] <{slacky}> hello
[12:08] <Xzyx987X> but I'm pretty sure the command didn't do anything either way
[12:08] <{slacky}> I've got this proble: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/59134
[12:08] <{slacky}> but I read it's fixed
[12:08] <FJ_Sanchez> I can check the box that says "Mounted Removable device" to show the icons in my desktop when they are mounted
[12:08] <{slacky}> it's not fixed
[12:08] <FJ_Sanchez> And that works right
[12:08] <Xzyx987X> since the modified date on the kdm file didn't change
[12:09] <Xzyx987X> any other ideas?
[12:09] <FJ_Sanchez> But in dapper I had also a box that said "Unmounted removable devices" and nowin Edgy I don't have this box
[12:09] <FJ_Sanchez> Do you have this? Maybe kubuntu simply remove that feature
[12:09] <Xzyx987X> I there a system restore type feature in ubuntu that restores your configuration to defaults?
[12:10] <Mater> i dont have it
[12:10] <Xzyx987X> cause this is getting to be too much of a pain in the ass to find a solution for