=== WebMaven [n=webmaven@ip72-193-220-34.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #launchpad === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d81-211-226-228.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-207.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === lamont [i=lamont@nat/hp/x-998d95d432029265] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #launchpad ["Bye"] === mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad === _mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #launchpad [02:02] wow launchpad is back to quiet === mamzers555 [n=user@88.134.196.178] has joined #launchpad === ctrlsoft [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad [02:30] Gooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! [02:31] hello mpt === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #launchpad [02:48] mpt: :D [02:51] What? :-) [02:52] mpt: your greeting :) [03:10] New bug: #69808 in malone "Remote bug watches should get an initial status at creation time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69808 [03:20] lifeless: can you tell me what the pattern for that series is? [03:41] jamesh: garh [03:41] it did not save it :( [03:43] ok, its saved now [04:28] jamesh: http://www.die.net/musings/page_load_time/ [04:28] courtesy jdub [04:29] spiv: ^ [04:29] mm, who else should see this [04:29] lifeless: SteveA pointed that out a few days ago [04:29] ok, well then ;) [04:29] it's interesting === jml [n=jml@ppp105-229.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.92.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #launchpad [06:08] lifeless: w.r.t. that article, do you think our use of SSL would affect the use of multiple host names much? [06:09] lifeless: e.g. would it result in extra SSL negotiations? [06:10] the extra SSL counts as a penalty on three-way handshake time [06:10] so its pretty much requivalent to just a higher RTT time [06:11] Are browsers smart enough to pipeline HTTPS connections even when they don't do it under standard HTTP? [06:11] IOW, it makes having larger images, and more hostnames a better tradeoff [06:11] stub: no [06:11] stub: there is a switch you can flick in firefox to turn on pipelining [06:11] HTTPS is no better or worse as a protocol - its literally just HTTP wrapped in SSL [06:12] I was wondering though if the SSL layer is torn down after every request or reused [06:13] (eg. keep the pipe open for x seconds in case a new page needs to be loaded from that ip) [06:13] same rules as for http [06:13] stub: if the HTTP connection is keepalive, it will be reused [06:13] if you can keep an http pipe open, you do so, because it saves RTT for the 3-way setup [06:13] most browsers keepalive by default IME these days [06:14] but keepalive != pipeline [06:14] pipelining is sending N requests down the socket and then waiting for N replies [06:14] rather than only having one pending request at a time === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-083-102-068-117.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has left #launchpad [] [06:18] i see === jamesh just turned on pipelining to see how it affects things [06:25] bah. repository locks suck. === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.14.164.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === spiv [n=andrew@218-214-66-203.people.net.au] has joined #launchpad === kiko [n=kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #launchpad === jordi [n=jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-50-138.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@7.114.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@84.Red-83-53-120.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [09:23] morning === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === malcc [n=malcolm@host86-135-237-55.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === SteveA [n=steve@costello.z3u.com] has joined #launchpad [10:03] hi [10:05] morning SteveA === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad [10:08] good morning jamesh === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-50-138.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-207.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === Topic for #launchpad: Developer meeting: Thu 9 Nov, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === Topic (#launchpad): set by mpt at Thu Nov 2 13:05:58 2006 === Starting logfile irclogs/launchpad.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #launchpad === Topic for #launchpad: Developer meeting: Thu 9 Nov, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === Topic (#launchpad): set by mpt at Thu Nov 2 13:05:58 2006 [05:52] (Mez/#launchpad) I'm not a dev though, just an advocate and user [05:52] (luisbg/#launchpad) ;) [05:52] (luisbg/#launchpad) an other thing [05:52] (luisbg/#launchpad) is the team owner the only one able to make big changes, or are all the admins? [05:52] changes to what ? [05:53] anything [05:54] question is... admins have the same rights as owner? [05:54] I'm not too sure.... [05:54] lol# [05:54] LOL [05:55] there are a couple of differences (or there used to be) [05:55] I will just leave it this way for now [05:55] I've never really had to use my admin privileges for anything other than approving members ;) [05:55] (in groups that I'm not the owner of) === carlos [n=carlos@182.Red-83-39-63.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [05:56] danilos: sorry, I had a small power cut [05:57] Mez, ok, thanks again [05:57] danilos: did you see my question? [05:57] carlos: np, but you missed a hug by dholbach then ;) [05:57] carlos: no, what question? [05:57] >carlos< danilos: do you know whether we are able to add custom tags/headers for firefox like we do with .po files with X-WHATEVER ? [05:57] danilos: we will need that to expand the fix for bug #68014 to other file formats [05:57] in this case, for Firefox [05:57] Malone bug 68014 in rosetta "Rosetta reverts translation fixes to old faulty values" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68014 [05:58] well, we can add anything we wish, we just need to decide where to add it (i.e. we can add a completely new file with our metadata in there if we wish) === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #launchpad [05:59] hello everyone i am back after that freenode incident [05:59] danilos: well, I would prefer to use one of the metadata files in .xpi archives [06:00] hmmm - I've just had a thought of how LP might get a lil screwy [06:00] but lets talk about it next week at UDS.... [06:00] add two groups, and change the owner of each group to the other [06:00] joejaxx: hi [06:00] so they own each other... [06:00] carlos: hello [06:00] carlos: sure, next week is better, probably, since we can talk face-to-face ;) [06:01] Mez: you will need a launchpad admin to fix that [06:01] New bug: #69911 in blueprint "difficult to get a list of a person's specs at a given sprint" [Undecided,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69911 [06:01] carlos, I know - but I havent done it - i'm just saying - it'd be a bit ****ked if that happened [06:02] Mez: I was just pointing that we can fix it without major problems... [06:03] Mez: but yeah, I guess we should prevent that, could you file a bug? [06:03] carlos will in a bit [06:03] (well, in fact, I'm not sure whether we already prevent that...) [06:03] but it's a corner case that we would miss [06:09] hmmm.... [06:09] nice ... [06:10] I cant fiel bugs via email [06:10] it isnt accepting my "affects" lines === AlinuxSOS [n=alinux@d83-176-12-197.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #launchpad [06:17] Mez: are you signing your email with your GPG key? [06:17] CARLOS - YES [06:17] darn caps [06:18] forgot theindentation tis all [06:18] lol [06:18] ;-) === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.145.211] has left #launchpad [""Pulp!""] [06:19] lmao getign bounces from gmail because someons mailbox is full [06:20] New bug: #69919 in malone "Bugs in non-existant package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69919 [06:20] New bug: #69920 in malone "Add all groups to bugmail settings?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69920 [06:21] there we go ;) [06:30] New bug: #69924 in malone "Recursive owner team setting?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69924 === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.145.211] has joined #launchpad [06:30] where do I edit the "Details" section that appears in the homepage of a team? === jdahlin [n=jdahlin@201-1-132-119.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@wormhole.x-echo.com] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@wormhole.x-echo.com] has joined #launchpad === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d83-176-12-197.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [06:54] luisbg: hey you are in here too :D [06:54] joejaxx, hey =) === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-229-165.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === carlos__ [n=carlos@181.Red-83-40-82.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === AlinuxSOS [n=alinux@d81-211-246-31.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad === AlinuxSOS [n=alinux@d81-211-246-31.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@101.Red-88-17-196.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === AlinuxSOS is now known as AlinuxOS === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d81-211-246-31.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@141.30.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === highvoltage [n=jonathan@196.1.61.13] has joined #launchpad [08:16] Hi. any launchpad admins around? === AlinuxSOS [n=alinux@d83-176-115-143.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad === AlinuxSOS [n=alinux@d83-176-115-143.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-50-138.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad [08:55] kiko: are you around? i had some questions [08:55] if you do not mind :) === flacoste [n=francis@montreal.canonical.com] has left #launchpad ["Bye"] === raraavis [n=emurphy@194.18.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [09:01] rock, bug spam [09:01] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2553 [09:01] Malone bug 2553 in launchpad "Can't edit group wiki page details" [Medium,Confirmed] [09:01] in the description too, no less [09:01] do you have a bug about that? :p === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d83-190-17-116.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad [09:06] New bug: #69942 in launchpad "we sell nike shoes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69942 [09:06] haha [09:06] someone might want to ban that user [09:06] lifeless: you can do that? [09:12] mdke_: not really. We have work being done to allow banning. I can change their password though [09:13] lifeless: that would work [09:18] well [09:18] they can just do password recovery [09:26] New bug: #69946 in launchpad "admin use of /people/PERSON/+changepassword does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/69946 === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d83-176-82-72.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad [09:34] jamesh: where is the code for pending-reviews these days ? === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-229-165.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === janneke-lily [n=janneke@peder.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad [09:51] I've registered LilyPond's CVS branch. The status now says: Auto Tested, Date last sync finished: 2006-10-31. [09:52] But there's nothing but ~janneke/+junk when I login on sftp? === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has left #launchpad [] === mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d83-176-82-72.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-6-106.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #launchpad [10:47] do you know if i can search people by *localtimezone*? [10:48] dont think so [10:48] interesting idea though, you might like to file a bug requesting this [10:48] or a spec [10:48] lifeless: what you prefer? [10:48] hi lifeless :) [10:48] well we work off specs, so a spec is probably the right thing to file === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #launchpad === AlinuxOS2 [n=Alinux@d83-176-82-207.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad === AlinuxOS2 [n=AlinuxOS@d83-176-82-207.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad === AlinuxOS2 [n=AlinuxOS@d83-176-82-207.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #launchpad === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-091-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad [11:19] pqm is doing down for maintenance === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [11:21] is there an Launchpad admin here? [11:23] I just want to notice that there a user that is posting spam in Bug report [11:23] https://launchpad.net/people/shoesshop === AlinuxOS [n=AlinuxOS@d83-176-82-207.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad [11:23] for example, in this one https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/2553 [11:23] Malone bug 2553 in launchpad "Can't edit group wiki page details" [Medium,Confirmed] [11:26] this user too https://launchpad.net/people/aotaielec [11:28] theCore: yes, but we currently have little tools to manage this [11:31] and maybe it isn't a good idea to let people have a nickname that start with something else than a letter [11:31] https://launchpad.net/people/+peoplelist?start=0&batch=75 [11:32] but that is purely an aesthetic choice... not really a bug [11:34] there also some "spam" accounts, like the "malinda0000x" https://launchpad.net/people/+peoplelist?start=225&batch=75 [11:35] I wonder why someone would want to register 35 accounts... [11:35] we do that [11:35] when we generate usernames and they collide [11:37] yeah, but I doubt the "malinda" ones are real accounts [11:37] check the email addresses [11:37] malinda00XX@yahoo.com [11:37] I see [11:38] Is there a way to get an advance people search? [11:38] (ew, that doesn't sounded right ...) [11:39] heh [11:39] oh, I found a bug [11:40] https://launchpad.net/people/+peoplelist?start=721125&batch=75 [11:40] Timeout error: OOPS-306D733 [11:40] https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/306D733 === AlinuxOS2 [n=AlinuxOS@d83-190-18-10.cust.tele2.it] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [11:54] Is there someone managing the mailing-list? [11:54] the lp-users one? [11:55] because there a good load of bogus emails [11:56] theCore: what kind of bogus emails have you seen? [11:56] SteveA, many empty messages, plus some spam [11:57] thankfully, it's nothing like the linux-kernel mailing list [11:57] where I get about 10-20 spam messages per day [11:59] I would be glad to help managing the mailing list, if you need someone [12:01] I haven't seen any spam in there [12:02] sometimes, people sign up to the list, and then send empty or almost empty emails [12:02] sure? I just deleted one [12:02] or emails with just their name and address [12:02] yeah, these are common [12:02] I don't know why they send these emails. I've tried asking, and so has kiko. No reply. [12:02] I guess there's something in the instructions on the shipit page, maybe the error page, that some people are misunderstanding [12:03] I mean, they've gone to the trouble to sign up to the mailing list [12:03] I wonder how they find the list... [12:03] theCore: do you still have the spam you deleted? (on my imap server, I keep deleted things around until I "purge" the mailbox) [12:03] probably [12:03] let me check [12:04] on the launchpad OOPS pages, it says to sign up to the list if you want to tell the launchpad team about a problem with launchpad that is blocking your work [12:04] if you can send me that email, with all its headers still there, then I'll look into it [12:07] hmm... I don't find it [12:07] maybe it was from another list [12:07] perhaps. [12:07] the only spam is in the footers of the empty emails [12:08] kiko is usually very careful about removing spam from addresses that haven't signed up to the list [12:08] not much we can do about people who sign up and then send non-useful email [12:11] there's a lot of people requesting CDs on the list too [12:12] some even send their full address and telephone number