[02:02] <joejaxx> wow launchpad is back to quiet
[02:30] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[02:31] <ajmitch> hello mpt 
[02:48] <joejaxx> mpt: :D
[02:51] <mpt> What? :-)
[02:52] <joejaxx> mpt: your greeting :)
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69808 in malone "Remote bug watches should get an initial status at creation time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69808
[03:20] <jamesh> lifeless: can you tell me what the pattern for that series is?
[03:41] <lifeless> jamesh: garh
[03:41] <lifeless> it did not save it :(
[03:43] <lifeless> ok, its saved now
[04:28] <lifeless> jamesh: http://www.die.net/musings/page_load_time/
[04:28] <lifeless> courtesy jdub
[04:29] <lifeless> spiv: ^
[04:29] <lifeless> mm, who else should see this
[04:29] <jamesh> lifeless: SteveA pointed that out a few days ago
[04:29] <lifeless> ok, well then ;)
[04:29] <jamesh> it's interesting
[06:08] <jamesh> lifeless: w.r.t. that article, do you think our use of SSL would affect the use of multiple host names much?
[06:09] <jamesh> lifeless: e.g. would it result in extra SSL negotiations?
[06:10] <lifeless> the extra SSL counts as a penalty on three-way handshake time
[06:10] <lifeless> so its pretty much requivalent to just a higher RTT time
[06:11] <stub> Are browsers smart enough to pipeline HTTPS connections even when they don't do it under standard HTTP?
[06:11] <lifeless> IOW, it makes having larger images, and more hostnames a better tradeoff
[06:11] <lifeless> stub: no
[06:11] <jamesh> stub: there is a switch you can flick in firefox to turn on pipelining
[06:11] <lifeless> HTTPS is no better or worse as a protocol - its literally just HTTP wrapped in SSL
[06:12] <stub> I was wondering though if the SSL layer is torn down after every request or reused
[06:13] <stub> (eg. keep the pipe open for x seconds in case a new page needs to be loaded from that ip)
[06:13] <lifeless> same rules as for http
[06:13] <jamesh> stub: if the HTTP connection is keepalive, it will be reused
[06:13] <lifeless> if you can keep an http pipe open, you do so, because it saves RTT for the 3-way setup
[06:13] <lifeless> most browsers keepalive by default IME these days
[06:14] <lifeless> but keepalive != pipeline
[06:14] <jamesh> pipelining is sending N requests down the socket and then waiting for N replies
[06:14] <jamesh> rather than only having one pending request at a time
[06:18] <stub> i see
[06:25] <stub> bah. repository locks suck.
[09:23] <carlos> morning
[10:03] <SteveA> hi
[10:05] <jamesh> morning SteveA 
[10:08] <SteveA> good morning jamesh 
[05:52] (Mez/#launchpad) I'm not a dev though, just an advocate and user
[05:52] (luisbg/#launchpad) ;)
[05:52] (luisbg/#launchpad) an other thing
[05:52] (luisbg/#launchpad) is the team owner the only one able to make big changes, or are all the admins?
[05:52] <Mez> changes to what ?
[05:53] <luisbg> anything
[05:54] <luisbg> question is... admins have the same rights as owner?
[05:54] <Mez> I'm not too sure.... 
[05:54] <Mez> lol#
[05:54] <luisbg> LOL
[05:55] <Mez> there are a couple of differences (or there used to be)
[05:55] <luisbg> I will just leave it this way for now
[05:55] <Mez> I've never really had to use my admin privileges for anything other than approving members ;)
[05:55] <Mez> (in groups that I'm not the owner of)
[05:56] <carlos> danilos: sorry, I had a small power cut
[05:57] <luisbg> Mez, ok, thanks again
[05:57] <carlos> danilos: did you see my question?
[05:57] <danilos> carlos: np, but you missed a hug by dholbach then ;)
[05:57] <danilos> carlos: no, what question?
[05:57] <carlos> >carlos< danilos: do you know whether we are able to add custom tags/headers for firefox like we do with .po files with X-WHATEVER ?
[05:57] <carlos>  danilos: we will need that to expand the fix for bug #68014 to other file formats
[05:57] <carlos>  in this case, for Firefox
[05:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68014 in rosetta "Rosetta reverts translation fixes to old faulty values" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68014
[05:58] <danilos> well, we can add anything we wish, we just need to decide where to add it (i.e. we can add a completely new file with our metadata in there if we wish)
[05:59] <joejaxx> hello everyone i am back after that freenode incident
[05:59] <carlos> danilos: well, I would prefer to use one of the metadata files in .xpi archives
[06:00] <Mez> hmmm - I've just had a thought of how LP might get a lil screwy
[06:00] <carlos> but lets talk about it next week at UDS....
[06:00] <Mez> add two groups, and change the owner of each group to the other
[06:00] <carlos> joejaxx: hi
[06:00] <Mez> so they own each other...
[06:00] <joejaxx> carlos: hello
[06:00] <danilos> carlos: sure, next week is better, probably, since we can talk face-to-face ;)
[06:01] <carlos> Mez: you will need a launchpad admin to fix that
[06:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69911 in blueprint "difficult to get a list of a person's specs at a given sprint" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69911
[06:01] <Mez> carlos, I know - but I havent done it - i'm just saying - it'd be a bit ****ked if that happened
[06:02] <carlos> Mez: I was just pointing that we can fix it without major problems...
[06:03] <carlos> Mez: but yeah, I guess we should prevent that, could you file a bug?
[06:03] <Mez> carlos will in a bit
[06:03] <carlos> (well, in fact, I'm not sure whether we already prevent that...)
[06:03] <carlos> but it's a corner case that we would miss
[06:09] <Mez> hmmm....
[06:09] <Mez> nice ...
[06:10] <Mez> I cant fiel bugs via email
[06:10] <Mez> it isnt accepting my "affects" lines
[06:17] <carlos> Mez: are you signing your email with your GPG key?
[06:17] <Mez> CARLOS - YES
[06:17] <Mez> darn caps
[06:18] <Mez> forgot theindentation tis all
[06:18] <joejaxx> lol
[06:18] <carlos> ;-)
[06:19] <Mez> lmao getign bounces from gmail because someons mailbox is full
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69919 in malone "Bugs in non-existant package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69919
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69920 in malone "Add all groups to bugmail settings?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69920
[06:21] <Mez> there we go ;)
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69924 in malone "Recursive owner team setting?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69924
[06:30] <luisbg> where do I edit the "Details" section that appears in the homepage of a team?
[06:54] <joejaxx> luisbg: hey you are in here too :D
[06:54] <luisbg> joejaxx, hey =)
[08:16] <highvoltage> Hi. any launchpad admins around?
[08:55] <joejaxx> kiko: are you around? i had some questions
[08:55] <joejaxx> if you do not mind :)
[09:01] <mdke_> rock, bug spam
[09:01] <mdke_> https://launchpad.net/bugs/2553
[09:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2553 in launchpad "Can't edit group wiki page details" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[09:01] <mdke_> in the description too, no less
[09:01] <mdke_> do you have a bug about that? :p
[09:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69942 in launchpad "we sell nike shoes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69942
[09:06] <mdke_> haha
[09:06] <mdke_> someone might want to ban that user
[09:06] <mdke_> lifeless: you can do that?
[09:12] <lifeless> mdke_: not really. We have work being done to allow banning. I can change their password though
[09:13] <mdke_> lifeless: that would work
[09:18] <lifeless> well
[09:18] <lifeless> they can just do password recovery
[09:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69946 in launchpad "admin use of /people/PERSON/+changepassword does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69946
[09:34] <lifeless> jamesh: where is the code for pending-reviews these days ?
[09:51] <janneke-lily> I've registered LilyPond's CVS branch.  The status now says: Auto Tested, Date last sync finished: 2006-10-31.
[09:52] <janneke-lily> But there's nothing but ~janneke/+junk when I login on sftp?
[10:47] <giskard> do you know if i can search people by *localtimezone*?
[10:48] <lifeless> dont think so
[10:48] <lifeless> interesting idea though, you might like to file a bug requesting this
[10:48] <lifeless> or a spec
[10:48] <giskard> lifeless: what you prefer?
[10:48] <giskard> hi lifeless :)
[10:48] <lifeless> well we work off specs, so a spec is probably the right thing to file
[11:19] <lifeless> pqm is doing down for maintenance
[11:21] <theCore> is there an Launchpad admin here?
[11:23] <theCore> I just want to notice that there a user that is posting spam in Bug report
[11:23] <theCore> https://launchpad.net/people/shoesshop
[11:23] <theCore> for example, in this one https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/2553
[11:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2553 in launchpad "Can't edit group wiki page details" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[11:26] <theCore> this user too https://launchpad.net/people/aotaielec
[11:28] <lifeless> theCore: yes, but we currently have little tools to manage this
[11:31] <theCore> and maybe it isn't a good idea to let people have a nickname that start with something else than a letter
[11:31] <theCore> https://launchpad.net/people/+peoplelist?start=0&batch=75
[11:32] <theCore> but that is purely an aesthetic choice... not really a bug
[11:34] <theCore> there also some "spam" accounts, like the "malinda0000x" https://launchpad.net/people/+peoplelist?start=225&batch=75
[11:35] <theCore> I wonder why someone would want to register 35 accounts...
[11:35] <lifeless> we do that
[11:35] <lifeless> when we generate usernames and they collide
[11:37] <theCore> yeah, but I doubt the "malinda" ones are real accounts
[11:37] <theCore> check the email addresses
[11:37] <theCore> malinda00XX@yahoo.com
[11:37] <lifeless> I see
[11:38] <theCore> Is there a way to get an advance people search?
[11:38] <theCore> (ew, that doesn't sounded right ...)
[11:39] <lifeless> heh
[11:39] <theCore> oh, I found a bug
[11:40] <theCore> https://launchpad.net/people/+peoplelist?start=721125&batch=75
[11:40] <theCore> Timeout error: OOPS-306D733
[11:40] <Ubugtu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/306D733
[11:54] <theCore> Is there someone managing the mailing-list?
[11:54] <theCore> the lp-users one?
[11:55] <theCore> because there a good load of bogus emails 
[11:56] <SteveA> theCore: what kind of bogus emails have you seen?
[11:56] <theCore> SteveA, many empty messages, plus some spam
[11:57] <theCore> thankfully, it's nothing like the linux-kernel mailing list
[11:57] <theCore> where I get about 10-20 spam messages per day
[11:59] <theCore> I would be glad to help managing the mailing list, if you need someone
[12:01] <SteveA> I haven't seen any spam in there
[12:02] <SteveA> sometimes, people sign up to the list, and then send empty or almost empty emails
[12:02] <theCore> sure? I just deleted one
[12:02] <SteveA> or emails with just their name and address
[12:02] <theCore> yeah, these are common
[12:02] <SteveA> I don't know why they send these emails.  I've tried asking, and so has kiko.  No reply.
[12:02] <SteveA> I guess there's something in the instructions on the shipit page, maybe the error page, that some people are misunderstanding
[12:03] <SteveA> I mean, they've gone to the trouble to sign up to the mailing list
[12:03] <theCore> I wonder how they find the list...
[12:03] <SteveA> theCore: do you still have the spam you deleted?  (on my imap server, I keep deleted things around until I "purge" the mailbox)
[12:03] <theCore> probably
[12:03] <theCore> let me check
[12:04] <SteveA> on the launchpad OOPS pages, it says to sign up to the list if you want to tell the launchpad team about a problem with launchpad that is blocking your work
[12:04] <SteveA> if you can send me that email, with all its headers still there, then I'll look into it
[12:07] <theCore> hmm... I don't find it
[12:07] <theCore> maybe it was from another list
[12:07] <SteveA> perhaps.
[12:07] <theCore> the only spam is in the footers of the empty emails
[12:08] <SteveA> kiko is usually very careful about removing spam from addresses that haven't signed up to the list
[12:08] <SteveA> not much we can do about people who sign up and then send non-useful email
[12:11] <theCore> there's a lot of people requesting CDs on the list too
[12:12] <theCore> some even send their full address and telephone number