[12:25] <Amaranth> imbrandon: find out who your roommate in mountain view is? :)
[12:25] <imbrandon> john trapsell , whomever that is
[12:25] <imbrandon> i guess a KDE developer
[12:26] <LaserJock> heh
[12:26] <Amaranth> hrm
[12:26] <Amaranth> so i need to find somewhere to crash before i show up :)
[12:27] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ahahah
[12:27] <crimsun> eh? Who's actually going that works on Xfce?
[12:27] <LaserJock> jani
[12:27] <crimsun> ah
[12:27] <crimsun> the lone trooper
[12:27] <Amaranth> John Tapsell?
[12:27] <imbrandon> Amaranth, yea thats right
[12:27] <imbrandon> my mistake
[12:27] <Amaranth> google told me :P
[12:28] <LaserJock> thank goodness for google
[12:28] <Amaranth> i googled trapsell and it offered tapsell as a spelling suggestion
[12:28] <LaserJock> in more ways then one
[12:28] <imbrandon> heh
[12:28] <LaserJock> it was really funny at Ubucon
[12:28] <LaserJock> somebody was looking for something
[12:29] <LaserJock> and somebody ( I think it was an LTSP guy) yelled "Google i"
[12:29] <LaserJock> *it
[12:29] <imbrandon> hahaha
[12:29] <LaserJock> you had to be there
[12:29] <poningru> rofl I dont think you can do that at mv
[12:29] <crimsun> sure you can
[12:29] <LaserJock> the whole left side of the room was google shirts
[12:29] <poningru> the lawyers will make you disapear
[12:30] <LaserJock> I'm looking forward to the food
[12:30] <LaserJock> much better then Paris
[12:30] <TheMuso> LaserJock: I'll bet.
[12:30] <imbrandon> anyone else see they released wince 6 open source ( shared source lic )
[12:30] <Amaranth> so, how about it, anyone willing to house a bum in their hotel room? :)
[12:30] <LaserJock> sorry Amaranth, I gave up mine
[12:31] <imbrandon> Amaranth, you dont have a room ?
[12:31] <LaserJock> I put in a good word for you and ajmitch though
[12:31] <Amaranth> nope
[12:31] <Amaranth> i only have a ticket because someone else was nice enough to buy it
[12:31] <Amaranth> i figure i'll sort the rest out eventually :P
[12:31] <Amaranth> (plane ticket, that is)
[12:31] <crimsun> Amaranth: are you planning to stay the entire time?
[12:32] <Amaranth> yeah
[12:32] <imbrandon> heh, i dont mind personaly , but i dont wanna get canonical in a fit
[12:32] <imbrandon> as they are footing my bill :)
[12:32] <Amaranth> hehe
[12:32] <Amaranth> just tell mark i'm a beryl developer ;)
[12:32] <LaserJock> haha
[12:33] <imbrandon> LOL
[12:33] <Amaranth> *cough*seriously*cough*
[12:33] <LaserJock> "I bring bling!"
[12:33] <Amaranth> :P
[12:33] <Amaranth> hey, i stay away from the core stuff :P
[12:33] <Amaranth> i'm working on gnome integration
[12:34] <Burgwork> I believe beryle-gnome-integration is called compiz
[12:34] <Amaranth> hehe
[12:34] <poningru> Amaranth: err hold on dude asking couple of friends
[12:35] <poningru> who work at mv
[12:36] <poningru> err wait maybe I should ask this first
[12:36] <poningru> whats your attitude toward mofo?
[12:36] <Amaranth> poningru: haha
[12:37] <Amaranth> poningru: i'd love to visit? :P
[12:37] <imbrandon> mofo ?
[12:37] <Amaranth> mozilla foundation
[12:37] <imbrandon> ahh
[12:41] <crimsun> does ajmitch have housing for UDS, too?
[12:42] <imbrandon> not 100% sure, last i heard i think whiprush had offered something
[12:43] <imbrandon> i dont mind helping ajmitch or Amaranth as i said i just dont want anyone to get their panties in a bunch , you know what i mean
[12:43] <imbrandon> ( as in a 3rd person in the room )
[12:44] <bhale> i figured out in boston that i am too old to sleep on the floor
[12:46] <Amaranth> i'm not :P
[12:48] <iXce> :p
[12:58] <Amaranth> i think i'm going to have to try to borrow money from someone to get my own room for the first night
[12:58] <iXce> ow..
[01:06] <Amaranth> or not eat for a day or two :P
[01:06] <ajmitch> crimsun: I do - if I didn't by now, i'd be in trouble
[01:07] <crimsun> w/ whiprush et al.?
[01:07] <iXce> Amaranth : you're in trouble :p
[01:07] <ajmitch> yes
[01:07] <crimsun> excellent
[01:07] <ajmitch> only option, really :)
[01:10] <Amaranth> i've got a fallback
[01:10] <Amaranth> but it'll hurt very badly
[01:10] <ajmitch> Amaranth: how badly?
[01:10] <imbrandon> TheMuso, rockin mpd + icecast was exactly what i wanted, got it working now
[01:11] <Amaranth> massive dept badly
[01:11] <ajmitch> Amaranth: under a bridge, or in an office?
[01:11] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Cool.
[01:11] <Amaranth> wha?
[01:14] <imbrandon> http://federation.imbrandon.com:8000/mpd.ogg.m3u if anyone cares to listen to my taste of music
[01:14] <imbrandon> now that its working thanks to TheMuso :)
[01:17] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I just got the email you sent yesterday nominating the known world
[01:17] <imbrandon> hahaha
[01:17] <imbrandon> kinda late
[01:18] <imbrandon> did you get the one after with a smaller list ?
[01:18] <ajmitch> I got that one first
[01:18] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:18] <ajmitch> like several hours ago :)
[01:19] <imbrandon> heh
[01:21] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Is that on one of your own boxes?
[01:21] <imbrandon> yea
[01:21] <imbrandon> its here at the house
[01:21] <LaserJock> phew
[01:22] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:22] <LaserJock> I just got done "recabling" our lab for the new guy
[01:22] <LaserJock> he wondered why we don't have any Windows machines in our lab
[01:22] <luisbg> LaserJock, what did you reply?
[01:23] <LaserJock> "cause we don't need them"
[01:23] <imbrandon> lol
[01:23] <LaserJock> I managed to dig up an old Windows 2k box for him
[01:23] <imbrandon> haha you should have gave him a skined kde :)
[01:24] <LaserJock> now I've got 2 Linux boxen, an iMac, a Windows 2k box, 2 printers, and UPS sitting more-or-less on 1 desk
[01:24] <LaserJock> s/sitting/sitting on/
[01:24] <LaserJock> nvm
[01:26] <LaserJock> the kvm was a little cluttered
[01:26] <ajmitch> LaserJock: and a chemist needs all this?
[01:26] <LaserJock> and I had to rip out a NIC to put in the Windows box
[01:26] <LaserJock> ajmitch: we inherited a theoretician's lab
[01:27] <ajmitch> with all their junk?
[01:27] <LaserJock> well, we inherited their junk (and a grad student) but not lab/office space :(
[01:29] <LaserJock> but yeah, we don't really even need computers much
[01:29] <Burgwork> imbrandon: actually, I think GNOME actually looks closer to Windows, if you change the default menu structure and panels
[01:30] <LaserJock> well, it's not so much the "look" but the applications
[01:30] <imbrandon> Burgwork, http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/snapshot1.png
[01:30] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:30] <imbrandon> thats from my luna theme a few months ago
[01:30] <LaserJock> "can you run Windows software on it?" is usually what I get
[01:31] <imbrandon> LaserJock, i have IE6 Photoshop and iTunes all in that screenshot
[01:31] <imbrandon> :)
[01:31] <Burgwork> imbrandon: it is isn't quite right. the GNOME screenshots I have seen are actually much closer
[01:31] <ajmitch> imbrandon: there's a special circle of hell reserved for people like you
[01:31] <LaserJock> well, MS Office is the killer app for use unfortunately
[01:31] <Burgwork> now, of course, this is just a giant boobie prize
[01:32] <imbrandon> Burgwork, well its peiced from screenshots so it should be exact
[01:32] <imbrandon> eg ss i took from a winbox
[01:33] <imbrandon> woot i have a whole 3 listeners to my stream lol
[01:34] <imbrandon> heh i'm just ahppy i got it working
[01:34] <imbrandon> 3 doors down is playing atm LaserJock , just random music i'm playing
[01:34] <imbrandon> http://federation.imbrandon.com:8000/mpd.ogg.m3u
[01:35] <LaserJock> so I can listen to what you're listening?
[01:35] <imbrandon> yea
[01:35] <LaserJock> this must be some sick core-dev brainwashing campaign
[01:35] <crimsun> wha, no gangsta rap?
[01:36] <imbrandon> lol no
[01:36] <ajmitch> LaserJock: does he have shakira? :)
[01:36] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I might listen if he did
[01:36] <TheMuso> So imbrandon, are you just tuning into your own icecast server to listen to your music at the same time?
[01:36] <imbrandon> haha i do
[01:36] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ^
[01:36] <LaserJock> oh geeze
[01:37] <imbrandon> TheMuso, yea i have icecast and mpd running on one computer and pympd on another
[01:37] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:37] <TheMuso> I think there's a KDE client.
[01:37] <TheMuso> Is that track improperly tagged or something?
[01:38] <imbrandon> yea
[01:38] <imbrandon> it has no title
[01:38] <imbrandon> just for LaserJock HAHAHHA
[01:39] <TheMuso> shakera sucks. Nuff said.
[01:39] <LaserJock> what the heck is this?
[01:39] <imbrandon> shakera
[01:39] <imbrandon> lol
[01:39] <LaserJock> "Underneath Your Clothes" ?
[01:40] <imbrandon> yea
[01:40] <LaserJock> that's shakera?!?!
[01:40] <imbrandon> Current Song:	Shakira - Underneath Your Clothes
[01:40] <LaserJock> tbh, I've never even heard or seen her
[01:40] <imbrandon> heh
[01:40] <ajmitch> LaserJock: neither have I, but I've heard it's crap music :)
[01:41] <ajmitch> hey bmonty
[01:41] <bmonty> hi ajmitch
[01:41] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Hit it on the head.
[01:41] <TheMuso> SHe can't even sing.
[01:41] <LaserJock> it's like some kinda Country/Pop something
[01:41] <imbrandon> its not terrible is LaserJock
[01:41] <imbrandon> latin pop
[01:41] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ugh
[01:41] <ajmitch> burn it all
[01:42] <imbrandon> ok back to the good stuff
[01:42] <TheMuso> gah. Speakup is being screwy again
[01:43] <imbrandon> i could always put on some bach
[01:43] <imbrandon> :)
[01:45] <imbrandon> heh i dont have much, but i only have 2 or 3 listners soo
[01:45] <imbrandon> 8dn/1up
[01:47] <TheMuso> If dreamhost had icecast support, well that would be another story.
[01:47] <LaserJock> :(
[01:47] <LaserJock> something happened, I can't hear it anymore
[01:48] <imbrandon> you might have droped, relick the link
[01:48] <imbrandon> re-click
[01:48] <bmonty> I have some recordings of finger nails on chalk boards and my son screaming if you guys are interested :)
[01:48] <imbrandon> lol
[01:48] <TheMuso> heh no thanks.
[01:49] <ajmitch> bmonty: I'll pass on that thanks
[01:49] <LaserJock> I don't know what to use to listen to it
[01:49] <imbrandon> queued*
[01:49] <imbrandon> LaserJock, i'm using amarok to listen
[01:49] <LaserJock> oh, well totem seems to be working ok
[01:49] <TheMuso> LaserJock: What were you using?
[01:49] <imbrandon> most anything that will play ogg will
[01:50] <imbrandon> do the titles of the songs get streamed too ?
[01:50] <TheMuso> Yes.
[01:50] <imbrandon> ahh cool
[01:50] <bmonty> link?
[01:50] <imbrandon> http://federation.imbrandon.com:8000/mpd.ogg.m3u
[01:51] <LaserJock> TheMuso: rhythmbox
[01:51] <bmonty> yuk
[01:51] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Right.
[01:52] <imbrandon> bmonty, no like?
[01:52] <imbrandon> heh this is the first "slower" song i've played
[01:52] <bmonty> nope, I'm definately not a lionel richie fan
[01:53] <TheMuso> Rhythmbox doesn't have gappless playback yet does it.
[01:53] <TheMuso> I know mpd does.
[01:53] <TheMuso> WHich was another thing that got me hooked on it.
[01:55] <imbrandon> yea if i could get dreamhost streaming going i would stream full time
[01:55] <imbrandon> just put my collection on random
[01:56] <bmonty> good choice
[01:56] <TheMuso> Would help get through some of that bandwidth.
[01:56] <imbrandon> does mpd pick up new songs if you add them to the directory ?
[01:56] <TheMuso> No, you have to update the  db and the playlist.
[01:56] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:56] <imbrandon> that kinda sucks
[01:56] <TheMuso> Doesn't bother me.
[01:57] <TheMuso> You could set up a cron job to do it though. :)
[01:57] <TheMuso> You'd have to make sure you don't add duplicate entries however.
[01:57] <imbrandon> yea
[01:58] <imbrandon> my collection is pretty scattered
[01:58] <TheMuso> Heh right.
[01:58] <imbrandon> i need to clean it up
[01:58] <imbrandon> i have every thing from bach to nelly
[01:59] <TheMuso> Nelly? eeeew
[01:59] <imbrandon> heh
[02:02] <freeflying> imbrandon: hi
[02:03] <imbrandon> heya freeflying
[02:04] <imbrandon> i think this is my anthem
[02:04] <imbrandon> :)
[02:08] <zakame> hi all
[02:08] <zakame> does anyone have a working hibernate in kubuntu edgy?
[02:11] <imbrandon> foood, bbiab
[02:34] <Amaranth> So if I was staying a night at the hotel Canonical setup, anyone know how to get there from the airport?
[02:35] <Amaranth> without driving or taking a cab the whole way, if possible
[02:35] <ajmitch> caltrain to sunnyvale, taxi from the train station?
[02:35] <Amaranth> ah
[02:36] <ajmitch> what airport?
[02:36] <Amaranth> SFO
[02:37] <Amaranth> that's the wild palms in sunnyvale then?
[02:37] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:39] <Amaranth> 8 miles away from google
[02:39] <ajmitch> yep
[03:28] <imbrandon> yea caltrain looks like the way to go, much cheaper than a shuttle
[03:28] <imbrandon> like 10x less it looks like
[03:30] <zul> do you have to book the shuttle online or couldnt you do it at the airport
[03:30] <zul> ooh come and pick me up then ;)
[03:30] <LaserJock> or maybe I can get my wife's cousin to drop me off
[03:30] <imbrandon> LaserJock, you wont be there the 4th though right ?
[03:31] <imbrandon> heh
[03:31] <LaserJock> is that Saturday?
[03:31] <imbrandon> zul, i guess at the airport, i think i'm gonna take a train ride
[03:31] <imbrandon> friday
[03:32] <imbrandon> err
[03:32] <imbrandon> saturday
[03:32] <imbrandon> yea
[03:32] <LaserJock> I was going to say
[03:33] <imbrandon> heh
[03:37] <LaserJock> I'll be in Mt. View on Saturday night
[03:37] <LaserJock> I'm going to spend Saturday with my Grandparents in Sacramento
[03:38] <LaserJock> I haven't seen my grandpa since he got diagnosed with cancer
[03:38] <zul> thats nice
[03:38] <zul> except the cancer bit
[03:39] <imbrandon> cool
[03:39] <imbrandon> err well cept for grandpa
[03:39] <imbrandon> yea
[03:39] <imbrandon> :)
[03:43] <LaserJock> yeah, it's been interesting
[03:43] <LaserJock> he seems to be doing well with the chemo
[03:50] <ajmitch> LaserJock: so you won't be there to pick me up at the airport on saturday morning? :)
[03:50] <ajmitch> well, lunchtime
[03:50] <imbrandon> heh
[03:50] <ajmitch> how disappointing ;)
[03:51] <imbrandon> ajmitch, what time do you get there ?
[03:51] <ajmitch> imbrandon: when do you get in?
[03:51] <_nixternal> ajmitch: please don't talk about food
[03:51] <imbrandon> 1030am
[03:51] <_nixternal> im sittin' in class and my gut is rumbling
[03:51] <zul> he lj shuttleservice
[03:51] <ajmitch> imbrandon: 11:15 to SFO
[03:51] <LaserJock> zul: heh, no thanks
[03:51] <imbrandon> i think elk is on that flight
[03:51] <ajmitch> nah
[03:51] <ajmitch> she's on an earlier flight
[03:51] <ajmitch> mpt & infinity are on the flight I'm on
[03:51] <imbrandon> she arrives about that time
[03:52] <ajmitch> she gets in at 9:40 or so
[03:52] <zul> damn it am i the only one going to sjc
[03:52] <LaserJock> I'm from Montana, the bay area is a nightmare to drive around
[03:52] <imbrandon> ahh thats right
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[03:53] <imbrandon> so we're all within a few minutes
[03:53] <imbrandon> her at 10 me at 1030 and yall at 1115
[03:54] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:54] <imbrandon> zul, probably
[03:54] <imbrandon> heh
[03:54] <imbrandon> i was thinking about taking caltrain after looking at the map
[03:55] <imbrandon> from the airport to sunnyvale
[03:55] <zul> the hotel apparently does have wireless
[03:55] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you could just wait around the airport for awhile for us :)
[03:55] <imbrandon> gah brb phone
[03:55] <zakame> hmm which packages control hibernate? acpi-support?
[03:56] <LaserJock> I can't believe you guys are stuck in sunnyvale
[03:56] <LaserJock> I thought Paris was bad
[03:56] <LaserJock> but at least we were staying in the same city
[03:56] <ajmitch> heh
[03:56] <imbrandon> ajmitch, i had planned on it if you wanted , it wont be a long wait ( probably take me that long to get my luggage )
[03:56] <imbrandon> only 45 min
[03:56] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it'll take awhile for me, since I've got to go through customs
[03:57] <ajmitch> which tends to not be too long
[03:57] <imbrandon> ahh thats right, but thats no biggie really
[03:57] <ajmitch> at least I've been to SFO before :)
[03:57] <zul> yeah just dont bring any vegemite
[03:57] <LaserJock> yucky yucky
[03:57] <imbrandon> i'll probably try to find a hotspot and check my mail or something while i wait
[03:57] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you know how far the caltrain station is from the airport?
[03:57] <imbrandon> it says its AT the airport
[03:58] <ajmitch> hm, the map said otherwise, but I think it is at the airport
[03:58] <imbrandon> and then 2.3 miles from the hotel
[03:58] <_nixternal> i can have sam pick everyone up, but no looking at my gf!
[03:58] <imbrandon> in sunnyvale
[03:59] <ajmitch> seems like there's wireless at the airport, but you have to pay
[03:59] <imbrandon> http://www.caltrain.com/caltrain_stations.html
[03:59] <ajmitch> _nixternal: haha
[03:59] <imbrandon> first one in zone 2
[03:59] <imbrandon> is the airport
[03:59] <imbrandon> millbrae
[03:59] <ajmitch> yeah, see the map for it
[04:00] <_nixternal> ya, if i get my walking papers to miss school next week, I will be there Friday..I have it planned to just stay with here for a couple of reasons, but it won't cost me a dime..plus she works at Google ;)
[04:00] <imbrandon> ahh yea it seems to be off a bit, but i bet the map is wrong
[04:00] <ajmitch> I hope so
[04:00] <_nixternal> what color is meeting going to be in?
[04:00] <_nixternal> or the uds rather
[04:00] <ajmitch> "At Millbrae station pick up the free shuttle bus for transfer to the airport."
[04:01] <imbrandon> no idea _nixternal
[04:01] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ahhh probably not from the airport TO the station
[04:01] <_nixternal> red and blue are the coolest, green is marketing and sales (go figure), i yellow is off limits if i remember correctly
[04:01] <imbrandon> hrm
[04:02] <LaserJock> they better have the stupid onramp for 101 fixed, last time I spent 30 min going around in circles trying to figure out how to get from Highway 580 onto 101
[04:02] <_nixternal> there also used to be a "Tech Corridor" Shuttle there as well..don't know if it is still there though
[04:03] <ajmitch> "To access San Francisco International Airport, BART is operating a train about every 15 minutes between the Millbrae station and SFO. All passengers must purchase a ticket before boarding."
[04:03] <ajmitch> http://www.caltrain.com/faqs.html
[04:03] <_nixternal> heh, be careful on BART
[04:04] <zul> how come?
[04:04] <_nixternal> there is a whole nother meaning to "Bay Area" rapid transit
[04:04] <ajmitch> I'm sure if a group of us travel from the airport it won't be too bad
[04:04] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea
[04:04] <_nixternal> depending on the locale, but going southwest towards google shall be fine, you just don't want to head towards oakland on it
[04:04] <imbrandon> i'll just stick arround and wait for yall
[04:05] <imbrandon> and see if elkbuntu wants too also ( ping ? )
[04:05] <imbrandon> heh someone make a big ubuntu sign so we can all see where to meetup lol
[04:05] <ajmitch> she may not want to wait that long
[04:05] <imbrandon> ajmitch, true
[04:05] <ajmitch> depends which terminal we meet in, too
[04:06] <imbrandon> not only that she will probably get out of customs about the time i arrive
[04:06] <imbrandon> becosue its only 30 minutes diffrence
[04:06] <ajmitch> true
[04:07] <_nixternal> 30 minutes in customs?  that would be super duper fast
[04:07] <imbrandon> hrm i wonder what terminal i'm comming in on
[04:07] <_nixternal> i spent an hour coming from canada last month, without 1 shoe
[04:07] <_nixternal> haha
[04:08] <zul> canadian customs is nothing
[04:08] <_nixternal> it is easier to come across the border with an elephant and a mariacchi band then it is to get through customs
[04:08] <_nixternal> canadian customs was through the metal detector, and the plain
[04:08] <_nixternal> plane as well
[04:08] <_nixternal> but chicago o'hare, coming from the plane, back through customs, was over an hour..they took my 1 shoe for testing
[04:09] <_nixternal> no place to sit..i was mad as all heck
[04:09] <zul> _nixternal, next time just say aboot and eh and it will go quicker
[04:09] <_nixternal> lol
[04:10] <_nixternal> they would have marked me a terrorist...since i have a common name im on their "check" list
[04:10] <_nixternal> so is my dad
[04:10] <ajmitch> the 1 time I've been to the US, I had no problems
[04:10] <zul> yeah you dont want the rcmp after you
[04:10] <_nixternal> ajmitch: well, we are at level orange..gahahahaha i couldn't even finish that joke
[04:10] <zul> heh last time i was in the us was at niagra falls
[04:11] <_nixternal> gahah..i got a lil tanked with a mounty..they are cool
[04:11] <zul> not if your last name is arar hah
[04:11] <_nixternal> that was in Banf, Alberta
[04:11] <_nixternal> hahaa
[04:13] <LaserJock> at UDS-Paris, the CDG cattle chute was the worst part
[04:14] <imbrandon> ?
[04:14] <imbrandon> 12.8 C in SF saturday
[04:14] <ajmitch> not too bad
[04:14] <ajmitch> 17.5C in dunedin at the moment
[04:14] <LaserJock> imbrandon: at CDG they just put you in a big funnel for security
[04:15] <imbrandon> heh
[04:15] <zul> heh low of -7C in ottawa on saturday im leaving at the right time
[04:15] <imbrandon> its a whole 1C right now here
[04:21] <_nixternal> LaserJock: terminal 2a?
[04:22] <LaserJock> _nixternal: ?
[04:22] <_nixternal> coming from the terminal into that funnel
[04:22] <_nixternal> i sat my laptop bag down and forgot it
[04:22] <ajmitch> ouch
[04:22] <_nixternal> not really..it was the companies ;)
[04:23] <ajmitch> I've got a backpack for my laptop
[04:23] <ajmitch> much easier to carry round airports for hours on end
[04:23] <imbrandon> yea i was thinking about a backpack
[04:23] <imbrandon> for my lappy
[04:23] <_nixternal> i was on my way to belgium..where the company Real was out of..they bought our company (TAVA) in 2000
[04:23] <imbrandon> ajmitch, look like i get in SF in terminal 1, you know what one you all got ?
[04:24] <ajmitch> international terminal, I think it's 3
[04:24] <_nixternal> they will be in the international
[04:24] <_nixternal> way far away from 1
[04:24] <imbrandon> lol
[04:24] <ajmitch> it's not that far
[04:24] <_nixternal> oh, its a good jot
[04:24] <imbrandon> ok well since i get there first i'll come to your term
[04:25] <_nixternal> imbrandon: it will take you all day to get there...walk 100', smoke break, mt. dew, walk another 100', repeat
[04:25] <ajmitch> ok, international terminal != terminal 3
[04:25] <bddebian> haha
[04:25] <imbrandon> LOL
[04:26] <_nixternal> imbrandon: if i remember correctly...you have to goto them actually
[04:26] <imbrandon> heh thats what i said :)
[04:28] <_nixternal> you can drive to the international terminal, walking would stink, but they have the escalator things iirc, like o'hare does
[04:28] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, hmm?
[04:28] <imbrandon> heya chick
[04:28] <imbrandon> fancy waiting for ajmitch and crew with us ?>
[04:28] <ajmitch> imbrandon: BART station in in the international terminal, if we plan to get that to the caltrain station
[04:29] <imbrandon> ajmitch,
[04:29] <imbrandon> ok
[04:29] <elkbuntu> no problemo
[04:29] <imbrandon> we could just meet at the BART station then probably would be the easiest
[04:29] <ajmitch> hey elkbuntu
[04:29] <elkbuntu> how long a wait?
[04:29] <ajmitch> yeah, if we get the right one
[04:29] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: my flight lands at 11:15
[04:30] <imbrandon> elkbuntu, it will be about 1hours 15 minutes for you
[04:30] <ajmitch> so it could be a little while
[04:30] <imbrandon> is there more than one BART station ?
[04:30] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, i land at 9:42
[04:30] <ajmitch> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_International_Airport_%28BART_station%29
[04:30] <imbrandon> ahh i was thinking you said 1005
[04:30] <elkbuntu> but hour and a half aint bad
[04:31] <ajmitch> imbrandon: looks like there's 1 station on 2 levels, or something silly
[04:31] <imbrandon> ahh /me looks
[04:31] <ajmitch> ah, 2 entrances to it, according to wikipedia
[04:32] <ajmitch> http://www.bart.gov/guide/airport/sfo.asp <-- confusing
[04:32] <ajmitch> airtrain station is free, to the BART station :)
[04:32] <LaserJock> well, San Fran area is a bit confusing
[04:32] <ajmitch> so we meet at BART station, I guess
[04:33] <ajmitch> I'll see if I can find mpt & infinity as well
[04:33] <imbrandon> There are two entrances and exits  one on level 3, adjacent to the grand foyer off the north side of the International Terminal; and the other is a level up at the Garage G/BART AirTrain station.
[04:33] <imbrandon> from the wiki
[04:34] <imbrandon> so i guess level 3 at the BART station as we likely wont have a reason to be in the garage
[04:35] <imbrandon> elkbuntu, ajmitch ^
[04:35] <imbrandon> oh wow i just realized i'll be surrounded by AU/NZ accents
[04:35] <elkbuntu> lol
[04:37] <ajmitch> imbrandon: that's fine :)
[04:37] <imbrandon> kk /me wrote it on his itenerary so he dosent forget
[04:40] <ajmitch> I'll be getting off caltrain at MV
[04:40] <ajmitch> & probably getting a taxi to the hotel I'm at
[04:41] <imbrandon> yea , me and elk will go onto sunnyvale
[04:41] <imbrandon> i looked the trainstaion from there to the hotel is 2 miles ( too far to walk with luggage )
[04:41] <ajmitch> & any others going there
[04:41] <imbrandon> so likely a cab
[04:41] <LaserJock> yikes
[04:42] <LaserJock> I'm sorry I probably won't be over there in time
[04:42] <LaserJock> I could shuttle you guys to the hotel
[04:42] <LaserJock> although I'd probably get lost anyway
[04:42] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:43] <ajmitch> yeah, I haven't checked distance for the hotel I'm at
[04:43] <LaserJock> ajmitch: are you in Mt. View?
[04:43] <bddebian> I hate you all :-)
[04:44] <ajmitch> 1.3 mi (about 2 mins)
[04:44] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yeah, but it's a little distance from the train station
[04:44] <ajmitch> I could probably walk it in a few minutes, the suitcase has wheels
[04:45] <ajmitch> basically just 1 mile down a street
[04:45] <imbrandon> yea
[04:45] <imbrandon> mine does too ( wheels ) but i dunno, guess i'll see when i get there , likely will cab it though
[04:51] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder how easy it'll be to get a cab
[04:51] <LaserJock> I'd guess around a train station there'd be something
[04:51] <ajmitch> should be simple
[04:52] <_MMA_> Anyone here use Eyas reservations?
[04:52] <ajmitch> LaserJock: so when will you grace us with your presence?
[04:53] <imbrandon> Eyas as in the company canonical recomended ?
[04:53] <_MMA_> Yea.
[04:53] <imbrandon> yea i did
[04:53] <_MMA_> Did they mess up your name?
[04:53] <imbrandon> no
[04:53] <_MMA_> they tacked on "mr" to my 1st name.
[04:53] <LaserJock> well, I'll be at Google Sunday morning
[04:53] <LaserJock> _MMA_: that's normal
[04:54] <imbrandon> _MMA_, yea that means your a male :) its normal
[04:54] <_MMA_> Wont the airport hastel me?
[04:54] <_MMA_> hassel
[04:54] <Burgwork> nope
[04:54] <imbrandon> no
[04:54] <Burgwork> unless you are not, in fact, male
[04:54] <LaserJock> _MMA_: I had to email them asking about it too :-)
[04:54] <_MMA_> Only in my dreams.
[04:54] <imbrandon> heh i dont wanna know
[04:55] <_MMA_> Ahh... Ok.
[04:55] <_MMA_> :)
[04:55] <_MMA_> joejaxx and I had the same issue.
[04:55] <joejaxx> the problem with me is
[04:55] <joejaxx> i am leaving from newark library international airport
[04:56] <joejaxx> == chaos city
[04:56] <joejaxx> lol
[04:56] <joejaxx> LaserJock: the other thing is i have a numeral on the end of my name
[04:57] <LaserJock> joejaxx: cause of your name?
[04:57] <ajmitch> _MMA_: I had the same problem for bookings to UDU
[04:57] <ajmitch> it's not a problem at all
[04:57] <_MMA_> Good to know.
[04:58] <LaserJock> uggg, this wiki work is tedious
[04:58] <LaserJock> Full Text searches periodically stop working
[04:59] <joejaxx> LaserJock: yes
[05:00] <joejaxx> but on the itinerary the numeral is not there
[05:00] <ajmitch> hm, it might only be about a 30-40 minute walk from your hotel to where I'm staying
[05:00] <ajmitch> I might do that on saturday
[05:03] <ajmitch> I was wrong, I thought it was on another street
[05:03] <ajmitch> oh well
[05:03] <joejaxx> it should be interesting to see everyone in person
[05:04] <imbrandon> ajmitch, or a 5 min train ride and a 10 minute walk
[05:04] <imbrandon> from hotel to hotel
[05:07] <joejaxx> ?
[05:07] <LaserJock> I doubt it
[05:08] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:08] <imbrandon> joejaxx, sebeas ended up in a slight altercation in paris
[05:09] <joejaxx> :(
[05:09] <imbrandon> joejaxx, http://kwwii.blogspot.com/
[05:09] <imbrandon> kwwii hasent posted since then so its still on top
[05:10] <imbrandon> lol
[05:10] <ajmitch> imbrandon: oh?
[05:10] <joejaxx> imbrandon: wow
[05:10] <ajmitch> that's sad
[05:12] <joejaxx> is Mr. Kuegler, S e v e a s?
[05:13] <ajmitch> no
[05:13] <joejaxx> i must be mixing people up
[05:13] <joejaxx> what is MR. Kuegler's irc name?
[05:13] <joejaxx> Mr.*
[05:14] <imbrandon> sebeas
[05:14] <joejaxx> ah ok
[05:14] <joejaxx> v and b
[05:14] <imbrandon> dennis k. is Seve^as
[05:14] <joejaxx> yes
[05:15] <joejaxx> i was confusing the names :\
[05:15] <Burgwork> interesting: distrowatch 7 day stats: 4  	Xubuntu  	1069 up, 6  	Kubuntu  	986 up
[05:15] <imbrandon> cool
[05:16] <imbrandon> xubuntu getting some love
[05:16] <Burgwork> yep
[05:17] <joejaxx> what kinds of stats are those?
[05:18] <Burgwork> hits on the various distrowatch pages, one per IP per day
[05:18] <joejaxx> ah ok
[05:19] <joejaxx> haha we are still on the waiting list
[06:00] <ajmitch> jdub is smoking something again
[06:00] <ajmitch> see his zombies post
[06:05] <LaserJock> yeah, it's was kinda rambling
[06:05] <joejaxx> lol
[06:06] <LaserJock> he to goofy to make a good zombie though
[06:06] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:06] <ajmitch> he has been known to be serious
[06:07] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:07] <LaserJock> he's a lot of fun
[06:10] <StevenK> w
[06:10] <StevenK> Whoops.
[06:18] <LaserJock> alrighty
[06:18] <LaserJock> I trimmed off  ~30 redirects
[06:24] <imbrandon> nice
[06:28] <imbrandon> wow , yea i dont understand jdub's post at all
[06:28] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:21] <LaserJock> ok, I created a MOTU wiki sandbox
[07:21] <LaserJock> to put temp/draft pages
[07:24] <LaserJock> is anybody alive?
[07:24] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:25] <giskard> :) but i'm going to school :)
[07:25] <giskard> see you later.
[07:27] <imbrandon> gnight all
[07:28] <crimsun> alive? pssht.
[07:28] <LaserJock> imbrandon: this early? you sound like you're moving away from your European schedule
[07:28] <imbrandon> heh trying too for MTV
[07:28] <imbrandon> i'm almost on a normal schedule
[07:28] <imbrandon> :)
[07:29] <nixternal> that will never happen
[07:29] <imbrandon> it will for a week
[07:29] <imbrandon> then go back to normal
[07:29] <nixternal> he is a european hillbilly
[07:29] <imbrandon> :)
[07:30] <imbrandon> lol
[07:30] <nixternal> well, UDS isn't looking to hot, but if all else fails, at least i get to hang out with rms on saturday
[07:30] <imbrandon> as long as he stays away from mtv i'm good
[07:31] <crimsun> man, I'm just getting no comments on this dapper-proposed SRU.
[07:31] <imbrandon> what one ?
[07:31] <nixternal> crimsun: just add some political humor to it, you will get plenty of comments, although probably not the comments you are looking for
[07:31] <crimsun> bug 62855
[07:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62855 in alsa-lib "Stereo line-in capture broken in alsa-lib 1.0.10 for "simple mixer" cards." [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62855
[09:06] <dholbach> good morning
[09:06] <LaserJock> hi dholbach
[09:06] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[09:07] <kkubasik> or goodnight if you happen to be a loser like me who's still preping for a physics exam
[09:07] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock
[09:07] <LaserJock> physics!
[09:07] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[09:07] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach
[09:07] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[09:07] <LaserJock> dholbach: I've been working on the MOTU wiki today
[09:07] <dholbach> kkubasik: all the best with that exam!
[09:07] <kkubasik> dholbach: thanks much!
[09:07] <dholbach> LaserJock: I'll have a look at the myriads of wiki mails in a bit ;)
[09:08] <LaserJock> it's not so visible right now, but I got rid of a lot of clutter
[09:08] <LaserJock> deleted ~30 pages there were just redirects
[09:08] <LaserJock> and created MOTU/SandBox
[09:08] <LaserJock> as a place for people to put drafts, etc.
[09:09] <LaserJock> one thing I've noticed is that it's hard to tell if a page is a work in progress
[09:09] <LaserJock> or if it's a finished, stable page
[09:09] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: in deleting redirects, you may have caused issues
[09:09] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I checked them
[09:09] <kkubasik> agreed, when I was looking for info, it was quite hard to tell if
[09:09] <Burgundavia> ok, just checking :)
[09:09] <kkubasik> something is done
[09:09] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: googled and full text search in the wiki
[09:10] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I either fixed broken links or left redirects that had lots of links to them
[09:10] <LaserJock> next step is to clean up existing pages, making sure they are updated, perhaps merging some pages together
[09:11] <LaserJock> then restructuring the main MOTU page so info is easier to get to
[09:32] <ajmitch> hi all
[09:34] <ajmitch> dholbach: how goes the SRU battle? :)
[09:34] <dholbach> ajmitch: there is no battle
[09:35] <dholbach> I wished that some people followed up with there preferences
[09:35] <Hobbsee> why is the SRU thing so hard anyway?
[09:36] <ajmitch> dholbach: the battle to get a team together quickly, not between MOTUs
[09:36] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[09:36] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[09:37] <dholbach> ajmitch: I said I'd do it Friday, no?
[09:38] <dholbach> so everybody could have their chance proposing their favourite MOTU :)
[09:39] <Hobbsee> dholbach: why not just nominate all of the MOTU's - that seems to be what's happening :P
[09:39] <dholbach> that's fine with me, but if 10 people voted for MOTU a, another 8 for MOTU b, ... it'd make things easier
[09:39] <dholbach> anyway... don't complain if I pick random people in the end
[09:39] <dholbach> s
[09:40] <ajmitch> oh I'm not complaining
[09:40] <Hobbsee> i got nominated once, so that can be ignored :)
[09:40] <dholbach> Hobbsee: everybody did ;)
[09:40] <ajmitch> most people did, yes
[09:40] <Hobbsee> dholbach: excellent!  :D
[09:47] <LaserJock> dholbach: imbrandon's email sort of settled it for me
[09:50] <dholbach> LaserJock: hum, I'm not quite sure I understand that post - did imbrandon just pick some people for the team there?
[09:50] <LaserJock> yep
[09:51] <dholbach> that's not what was discussed before
[09:51] <LaserJock> well, I nominated too many it seems
[09:51] <LaserJock> so we wanted to shorten the list
[09:51] <Hobbsee> and it seems like few will reject it
[09:52] <LaserJock> only Hobbsee and StevenK haven't accepted their nomination from that list
[09:52] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: trouble was, neither of us seriously thought about it, before our names got chucked up there.  give us each a bit of time :P
[09:52] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock
[09:53] <ajmitch> dholbach: -uvf was just for edgy, right?
[09:53] <ajmitch> team membership, I mean
[09:54] <dholbach> ajmitch: yeah, we should agree on a new team before feisty's UniverseFreeze
[09:54] <ajmitch> right
[09:54] <dholbach> and maybe we get a better voting mechanism together
[09:56] <ajmitch> yeah
[09:57] <LaserJock> dholbach: but I though you were MOTU sabdfl ;-)
[09:58] <LaserJock> who need voting :-)
[09:58] <LaserJock> *needs
[09:58] <ajmitch> voting is good if it actually works
[09:59] <Hobbsee> true
[09:59] <dholbach> we'll improve on that
[09:59] <LaserJock> well, so far from what I've seen, votes during meetings are the most effective and fast
[10:00] <ajmitch> only if you have a short list of names
[10:00] <LaserJock> yeah, but I think we could have come to a pretty swift consensus in an IRC meeting
[10:00] <LaserJock> organizing the meeting is the difficult part
[10:01] <dholbach> decoupling from IRC! :)
[10:01] <minghua> I'll reply imbrandon's mail to pick my favorite then, since dholbach wants everybody's opinion
[10:02] <dholbach> minghua: pick whoever you want, not just from that list
[10:02] <minghua> dholbach: but not much point if I pick someone who hasn't accepted nomination yet, is it?
[10:03] <Hobbsee> minghua: sure it is
[10:03] <dholbach> minghua: if he/she accepts after your post, that's cool
[10:03] <dholbach> as I said: friday night, saturday morning, the team will be ready
[10:03] <minghua> let me decline the nomination for me first...
[10:03] <ajmitch> dholbach: we're not trying to pressure you, don't worry :)
[10:04] <dholbach> chipx86 as lego man: http://flickr.com/photos/chipx86/285519943/ :-)
[10:07] <minghua> Hobbsee: err... by "sure it is", do you mean there is a point or not?
[10:07] <ajmitch> hehe
[10:07] <minghua> Hobbsee: if there is, what is the point?  like dholbach said, to make him/her accept?
[10:08] <Hobbsee> minghua: oh, sorry.  as in, you may as well.  just because they havent responded yet doestn necessarily say that they mean know
[10:08] <Hobbsee> er, doesnt necessarily say that they're going to decline
[10:08] <Hobbsee> minghua: it'd probably help to know if more people supported them
[10:08] <minghua> Hobbsee: yeah, makes sense
[10:09] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:09] <Hobbsee> i dont get it, why are people nominating me???
[10:09] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:10] <LaserJock> cause you're cute and cuddly like the ponies we so desperately want
[10:10] <ajmitch> haha
[10:10] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: because people think you'll do a good job
[10:10] <LaserJock> oops, did I say that out loud? :-)
[10:10] <Hobbsee> hah
[10:26] <poningru> hahahaha mako in an ad for acm
[10:27] <minghua> Err... is there regular moderating for ubuntu-motu mailing list?
[10:36] <LaserJock> did he fall asleep on his keyboard?
[10:36] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:36] <ajmitch> must have :)
[10:37] <ajmitch> haha
[06:09] <Adri2000> slomo: here?
[06:09] <slomo> Adri2000: sure
[06:10] <Adri2000> why liferea is 0ubuntu? it is already in Debian
[06:11] <slomo> Admiral_Chicago: because debian still has a much older version than we habe
[06:11] <slomo> Adri2000: ^---
[06:11] <slomo> they're at 1.0.18-1, we're at 1.0.23-0ubuntu1
[06:11] <Admiral_Chicago> slomo: ?
[06:11] <slomo> Admiral_Chicago: sorry, xchat's bad nickname autocompletion :/
[06:12] <Admiral_Chicago> slomo: ah it's all good. Konversation is much better
[06:12] <Adri2000> slomo: ok, I saw that
[06:13] <Adri2000> "a new version will be uploaded in the next few days." said the maintainer on 15th october
[06:13] <Adri2000> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393160
[06:13] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 393160 in liferea "liferea: Package outdated" [Normal,Open] 
[06:13] <slomo> so what? :)
[06:14] <Adri2000> don't know :p
[06:14] <Admiral_Chicago> i just got pwnt on digg. i was about to upload the KDE 4.0 story but got beat out because i took to look hunting down the right link
[06:28] <luisbg> debian/rules:19: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk: Doesn't exit
[06:28] <luisbg> exist
[06:34] <ogra> missing build-dep on quilt i'd guess
[06:35] <luisbg> gonna check
[06:39] <luisbg> ogra, you were right, quilt was the one
[06:43] <luisbg> ogra, can you make me a small favour?
[06:44] <LaserJock> luisbg: I think he's in a meeting, is it something I can help you with?
[06:45] <luisbg> LaserJock, check what I did here...
[06:45] <luisbg> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ardour/+bug/51635
[06:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51635 in ardour "missing dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[06:46] <LaserJock> luisbg: does it need a particular version of jackd?
[06:47] <luisbg> imo no
[06:47] <LaserJock> then that looks fine to me
[06:48] <luisbg> ok cool, just checking =)
[06:48] <luisbg> still don't have too much confidence in myself
[06:48] <luisbg> LaserJock, I joined the ubuntu studio team
[06:48] <LaserJock> good
[06:49] <luisbg> they are starting so need loads of help
[06:49] <luisbg> and since loads of it is non technical
[06:49] <luisbg> I've been all day helping
[06:52] <luisbg> LaserJock, will ask for help when we try to package cinelerra
[06:53] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:53] <luisbg> I've heard it's hell to package
[06:53] <luisbg> a few have tried before
[06:59] <luisbg> LaserJock, are apps that need java hard to package?
[06:59] <LaserJock> it's not that they are hard to package
[07:00] <LaserJock> but they are usually not so cool because Sun's Java is not Free
[07:00] <LaserJock> if they can a Free java VM then it not bad
[07:01] <ajmitch> morning
[07:01] <luisbg> how does azureus does it?
[07:01] <luisbg> hey ajmitch
[07:02] <LaserJock> luisbg: look at apt-cache show azureus
[07:04] <luisbg> I see
[07:28] <Amaranth> crimsun: ping?
[07:36] <crimsun> Amaranth: pong
[07:36] <Amaranth> PM?
[07:36] <crimsun> sure
[07:46] <yotux> have a question about packaging
[07:55] <luisbg> is there a guide for java application packaging in ubuntu?
[07:56] <LaserJock> no
[07:56] <LaserJock> Debian has a Java policy though, I think
[07:56] <crimsun> Amaranth: I'm here, my responses haven't gone through
[07:56] <ajmitch> hi crimsun
[07:56] <crimsun> (being unidentified and all)
[07:57] <Amaranth> crimsun: oh
[07:57] <crimsun> hi ajmitch
[07:57] <Amaranth> i forget how to turn that off
[07:57] <LaserJock> why are we turning that off?
[08:00] <LaserJock> grrr, is there a way to sort/filter subscribed specs
[08:01] <luisbg> LaserJock, I have read the debian java policy
[08:01] <luisbg> but looking to the azureus package and original source... they are very different
[08:01] <luisbg> and that confuses me
[08:05] <rgl> hello
[08:09] <LaserJock> darn it
[08:10] <LaserJock> I forgot to bring a NIC in to work
[08:14] <LaserJock> I guess that'll teach me to not toss out all the junker computers
[08:14] <bhale> 4 port GIG-E
[08:15] <LaserJock> bhale: ggrr
[08:15] <LaserJock> I'm just trying to find something that's not ISA
[08:15] <bhale> they are like $500 a piece, freaking ridiculous
[08:15] <bhale> PCIE
[08:17] <LaserJock> \o/ found one. hopefully it's not dead
[08:20] <Amaranth> PCI-E 4 port GIG-E?
[08:20] <bhale> Amaranth: yes
[08:20] <Amaranth> i hope they've also got that hardware assist crap
[08:20] <bhale> i cant get enough of them
[08:21] <Amaranth> unless you have a beast of a machine managing all the data
[08:21] <bhale> sniffer ports
[08:21] <bhale> hm i put 3 in a box dude :)
[08:25] <LaserJock> hmm, is there a way to totally reset the network settings
[08:26] <LaserJock> my box seems to think there's an eth0 that isn't there
[08:26] <LaserJock> but it puts the real eth0 as eth2
[08:26] <bhale>  /etc/iftab
[08:27] <bhale> you can map names to mac addresses
[08:28] <LaserJock> geeze my networking is hosed
[08:28] <LaserJock> it's all because the onboard LAN seems to have died
[08:29] <LaserJock> how is iftab created?
[08:29] <LaserJock> automatically at boot?
[08:30] <bhale> i think by the installer
[08:30] <bhale> if you comment it out
[08:30] <bhale> udev does whatever it feels like
[08:31] <Amaranth> yay for randomly changing network device names :P
[08:32] <bhale> yeah it rules
[08:33] <LaserJock> well, if the gnome networking tool didn't seem to do weird things it'd be nice
[08:36] <LaserJock> darn it, I'm so close to reinstalling just so I can get some networking
[08:43] <ajmitch> gah, forums
[08:44] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what now?
[08:44] <ajmitch> just crap
[08:45] <LaserJock> I want to believe I was never that kind of forum user :/
[08:45] <ajmitch> I really shouldn't read them, they're bad for my health
[08:46] <LaserJock> well, luckily the "Education and Science" subforum was started
[08:46] <LaserJock> I can just go there
[08:47] <LaserJock> and not wander around too much :-)
[08:47] <ajmitch> I was reading the feisty section
[08:57] <imbrandon> moins fella's
[08:58] <LaserJock> ok, here's a question, do we have an easy way to see what packages are in -proposed?
[08:58] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon
[08:58] <imbrandon> hrm not that i know of
[08:59] <imbrandon> ajmitch, there is a feisty section ?
[09:01] <Burgwork> hey imbrandon
[09:02] <imbrandon> heya Burgwork
[09:02] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I added edgy-proposed to my sources list, but then I realized that I wouldn't know if I was testing something or not :/
[09:02] <imbrandon> you can madison and see where its comming from
[09:02] <LaserJock> but I'd have to madison everything
[09:02] <imbrandon> on a per package basis
[09:02] <imbrandon> yea
[09:02] <imbrandon> that sucks
[09:02] <LaserJock> it was just a  thought
[09:02] <imbrandon> hrm
[09:03] <LaserJock> I thought maybe there might be a proposed.ubuntu.com or something like that that listed the contents of the repo
[09:05] <imbrandon> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-proposed/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz looks empty
[09:12] <ajmitch> imbrandon: of course there's a feisty section, where else do they come up with this crap?
[09:13] <imbrandon> haha
[09:14] <LaserJock> I thought the Ubuntu fairies waved their magic wands of the DC
[09:14] <LaserJock> s/of/over/
[09:15] <ajmitch> some of the forum people think that
[09:17] <ajmitch> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=179
[09:19] <ajmitch> people that can't dist-upgrade to feisty because they spell it fiesty in sources.list :)
[09:19] <whiprush> that was awesp,e
[09:19] <whiprush> awesome even
[09:19] <whiprush> sorry, new keyboard.
[09:19] <ajmitch> hey whiprush!
[09:19] <LaserJock> that one's going to bite me
[09:19] <whiprush> hi aj
[09:19] <imbrandon> heya whiprush
[09:20] <LaserJock> I know I'm going to get an uploaded rejected cause I'll spell it wrong
[09:20] <whiprush> hi imbrandon
[09:20] <imbrandon> ajmitch, rockin ( next question is why they are dist upgrading to feisty now anyhow )
[09:20] <lifeless> clearly it should be spelt fisty
[09:20] <lifeless> that way there would be no confusion
[09:20] <imbrandon> lol
[09:20] <LaserJock> maybe I'll have to write a script that says, "It's feisty stupid"
[09:20] <whiprush> it's hoary not whorey!
[09:21] <ajmitch> imbrandon: "because they can"
[09:21] <ajmitch> LaserJock: dput hooks
[09:21] <LaserJock> imbrandon: got you're music stream going?
[09:22] <mr_pouit> does someone have a good exemple of a package using debconf ? or a link to a good explanation ?
[09:22] <imbrandon> LaserJock, no but i can fire it up
[09:22] <imbrandon> mr_pouit, xorg ?
[09:22] <mr_pouit> imbrandon, ok, thanks, i will look at it
[09:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: people always want the latest & greatest crack, no matter how broken
[09:23] <LaserJock> mr_pouit: just a sec, there's a good reference, let me find it
[09:24] <LaserJock> mr_pouit: http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html
[09:24] <mr_pouit> thanks :)
[09:26] <LaserJock> I somewhat question the helpfulness of a " UDS Mountain View : Call for specs for Feisty" on the forums
[09:26] <imbrandon> specialy when the instructions was to make a forum thread
[09:26] <imbrandon> about it
[09:27] <ajmitch> somehow, I don't think a single sentence is enough for a thread
[09:27] <LaserJock> well, it seems like we have waaay too many specs
[09:28] <LaserJock> I think specs have somewhat turned into basically  feature requests
[09:28] <whiprush> LaserJock: indeed.
[09:28] <whiprush> Pet Bug fixes please
[09:29] <LaserJock> I'm worried that we'll have to start weeding them out
[09:29] <LaserJock> and then it looks like we're the bad guys
[09:29] <LaserJock> well, mdz anyway ;-)
[09:29] <TheMuso> There were heaps for Paris.
[09:29] <whiprush> there needs to be a "We Know" mechanism someplace.
[09:30] <TheMuso> Not all wre looked at afaik.
[09:30] <LaserJock> not close
[09:30] <LaserJock> and I think we might have more this time
[09:30] <TheMuso> Fun fun fun.
[09:30] <TheMuso> Just when the spec process was useful for new feature development, it looks like there may have to be tighter restrictions on who can do it next time.
[09:30] <TheMuso> If it needs to be kept under control.
[09:31] <LaserJock> if you figure 3 BOFs / spec
[09:31] <TheMuso> But I know thats not always fair for those who have good spec ideas.
[09:31] <LaserJock> you get about 20-30 specs
[09:32] <LaserJock> if you do 4 tracks
[09:32] <LaserJock> ~100
[09:32] <LaserJock> if you're lucky
[09:32] <TheMuso> Right.
[09:33] <whiprush> LaserJock: ditto the mailing list.
[09:33] <ogra> LaserJock, well, spec proposal time is over anyway
[09:33] <LaserJock> we are at 163 accepted specs for Mt. View
[09:33] <LaserJock> ogra: it's an older thread
[09:34] <LaserJock> and I don't know that they care
[09:34] <ogra> look only at the ones with mid priority and hgher
[09:34] <ogra> *higher
[09:34] <LaserJock> the message seems to be "If you write a spec they will have to implement it"
[09:34] <ajmitch> LaserJock: 163 seems about average
[09:34] <ogra> the low ones will likely fall off the table again
[09:34] <LaserJock> ogra: sure, but there are 163 specs proposed
[09:35] <ajmitch> ogra: considering that just about all of our directory team stuff is undefined, it's not looking so great them
[09:35] <ogra> s/proposed/accepted/ ;)
[09:35] <ajmitch> though we'll still have to meet & talk
[09:35] <LaserJock> ogra: yes
[09:35] <LaserJock> I'm just saying, I don't think a lot of people have realistic expectations when it comes to a UDS
[09:35] <ogra> ajmitch, by sunday all 163 should have a prio ...
[09:36] <whiprush> ajmitch: I was going to go a different approach, get sabdfl hammered saturday night, then have him log into launchpad ...
[09:36] <LaserJock> haha
[09:36] <imbrandon> lol
[09:36] <ajmitch> great
[09:36] <ajmitch> whiprush: you want to try & drink him under the table?
[09:36] <LaserJock> whiprush: he might flip a few too many switches though
[09:36] <whiprush> heh
[09:36] <LaserJock> oh look, feisty has been released
[09:37] <LaserJock> doh
[09:37] <imbrandon> you know the opinoins on the beryl-by-default thread are sane though, i'm suprised, they seem to say the same thing we have been ( make it easy to install but not default )
[09:37] <imbrandon> first good thread i've seen
[09:38] <ajmitch> yeah, I was pleasantly surprised
[09:38] <ajmitch> I wondered if I was on the wrong forum
[09:38] <imbrandon> :)
[09:41] <LaserJock> ok, so here's the interesting part for me, there are 909 open specs for ubuntu
[09:41] <bhale> and?
[09:41] <LaserJock> it's kinda insane
[09:41] <bhale> well anyone can write one
[09:41] <bhale> and there are many duplicates
[09:42] <LaserJock> yes
[09:42] <Burgwork> and only certain people can make them obsolete
[09:42] <imbrandon> how many high and medium ones ?
[09:42] <Burgwork> the issue is not people writing them
[09:42] <LaserJock> well, like 2/3 are "Undefined"
[09:42] <Burgwork> the issue is seperation
[09:43] <LaserJock> Burgwork: exactly
[09:43] <Burgwork> by default, only certain people can assign priority
[09:43] <LaserJock> right now I can't even separate my subscribed specs by product even
[09:43] <LaserJock> it's rather hard to see what's going on
[09:44] <LaserJock> it's like one big blob
[09:44] <imbrandon> make a spec on spec handleing ( scarcasim )
[09:44] <LaserJock> doh
[09:44] <imbrandon> sarcasim*
[09:44] <rgl> can someone help me with this error http://pastie.caboo.se/20906 ?
[09:45] <rgl> its outputing some weird locale errors :|
[09:45] <imbrandon> export LC_ALL=C
[09:46] <TheMuso> Is lp slow for anybody else?
[09:46] <rgl> I want to use en_US.UTF-8.  but I don't have that on /usr/share/locale/ :(
[09:49] <imbrandon> en_US.UTF-8 isnt a locale its a language
[09:49] <imbrandon> it wants the locale set
[09:49] <imbrandon> e.g export LC_ALL=C
[09:50] <rgl> huh?  why do I have all the others LC_XXX en_US.UTF-8 ?
[09:50] <imbrandon>         LANGUAGE = (unset),
[09:50] <imbrandon>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[09:50] <imbrandon>         LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
[09:52] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~$ echo $LANGUAGE
[09:52] <imbrandon> en
[09:52] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~$ echo $LC_ALL
[09:52] <imbrandon> C
[09:52] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~$ echo $LANG
[09:52] <imbrandon> en_US.UTF-8
[09:52] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~$
[09:52] <imbrandon> rgl, ^^
[09:57] <rgl> sorry imbrandon , but I want UTF for everything.
[09:58] <TheMuso> Wow. A spec has been proposed to consider whether ppc will be dropped.
[09:58] <rgl> I found how to do it.  I have to generate the locale stuff using locale-gen
[09:58] <bhale> TheMuso: is that so suprising?
[09:58] <TheMuso> Yes.
[09:59] <imbrandon> TheMuso, yea , i dont think it will happen this time though, there are still too many ppc's out there
[09:59] <imbrandon> maybe next time
[09:59] <bhale> it will be planned well in advance
[09:59] <bhale> a few releases away
[09:59] <TheMuso> Surprising to me at least.
[09:59] <bhale> it has to happen sometime.
[09:59] <TheMuso> Fair enough.
[09:59] <bhale> the major vendor has exited
[09:59] <imbrandon> for desktops , not servers
[09:59] <bhale> it wasnt there for servers
[10:00] <imbrandon> thus we'll probably keep the server version like sparcs
[10:00] <bhale> and we dont support ia64 for example
[10:00] <bhale> "support"
[10:00] <imbrandon> we dont support sparc either on the desktop but do on the server
[10:00] <bhale> ppc isnt going to suddenly disappear as an ubuntu arch
[10:00] <TheMuso> I know that.
[10:01] <imbrandon> bhale, my point is sparc is still a canonical supported arch on the server iso's and ibm still cranks out lots of ppc servers :)
[10:01] <bhale> ok, right on
[10:01] <imbrandon> but not on the desktop
[10:01] <bhale> could be the plan
[10:01] <ChaosFan> wg 43
[10:01] <ajmitch> imbrandon: and it doesn't mean that we'd drop ppc altogther from support
[10:01] <imbrandon> right
[10:02] <imbrandon> just not from canonical
[10:02] <finalbeta> How does one propose a package? Is the wiki the "official" way for end users?
[10:03] <imbrandon> finalbeta, if you want someone else to eventualy get to it put it on the wiki page, if you have already made packages use REVU
[10:03] <LaserJock> finalbeta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[10:03] <finalbeta> thnx
[10:58] <LaserJock> geeze, how do you register for an LP account?
[10:58] <LaserJock> I can't find a URL
[10:59] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/people ?
[10:59] <ogra> i think you dont see it if you are logged in
[10:59] <imbrandon> launchpad.net , top right
[10:59] <LaserJock> oh, must be because I'm logged in
[11:00] <ogra> ah, right, its top right :)
[11:00] <ajmitch> left, right, all so confusing :)
[11:01] <imbrandon> lol
[11:01] <ajmitch> launchpad is a bit like that :)
[11:12] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[11:13] <LaserJock> hi Toadstool
[11:13] <Toadstool> hey LaserJock
[11:43] <lifeless> ajmitch: jbailey has
[11:43] <ajmitch> I figured he would
[11:43] <ajmitch> it should be reasonably ok
[11:44] <ajmitch> however the latest glibc upload isn't built & in the archive yet
[11:53] <ogra> yeah pitti complained earlier about the buildds