=== geser [n=michael@dialin108201.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-56-75.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] imbrandon: find out who your roommate in mountain view is? :) [12:25] john trapsell , whomever that is [12:25] i guess a KDE developer [12:26] heh [12:26] hrm === Amaranth won't be there until 11pm sunday night === schultmc [n=schultmc@216-54-159-97.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock was imaging going to dinner, "OK, KDE on the left, Gnome on the right, XFCE gets to eat outside" [12:26] so i need to find somewhere to crash before i show up :) [12:27] LaserJock, ahahah [12:27] eh? Who's actually going that works on Xfce? [12:27] jani [12:27] ah [12:27] the lone trooper [12:27] John Tapsell? [12:27] Amaranth, yea thats right [12:27] my mistake [12:27] google told me :P [12:28] thank goodness for google [12:28] i googled trapsell and it offered tapsell as a spelling suggestion [12:28] in more ways then one [12:28] heh [12:28] it was really funny at Ubucon [12:28] somebody was looking for something [12:29] and somebody ( I think it was an LTSP guy) yelled "Google i" [12:29] *it [12:29] hahaha [12:29] you had to be there [12:29] rofl I dont think you can do that at mv [12:29] sure you can [12:29] the whole left side of the room was google shirts [12:29] the lawyers will make you disapear [12:30] I'm looking forward to the food [12:30] much better then Paris [12:30] LaserJock: I'll bet. [12:30] anyone else see they released wince 6 open source ( shared source lic ) [12:30] so, how about it, anyone willing to house a bum in their hotel room? :) [12:30] sorry Amaranth, I gave up mine [12:31] Amaranth, you dont have a room ? [12:31] I put in a good word for you and ajmitch though [12:31] nope [12:31] i only have a ticket because someone else was nice enough to buy it [12:31] i figure i'll sort the rest out eventually :P [12:31] (plane ticket, that is) [12:31] Amaranth: are you planning to stay the entire time? [12:32] yeah [12:32] heh, i dont mind personaly , but i dont wanna get canonical in a fit [12:32] as they are footing my bill :) [12:32] hehe [12:32] just tell mark i'm a beryl developer ;) [12:32] haha [12:33] LOL [12:33] *cough*seriously*cough* [12:33] "I bring bling!" [12:33] :P === bhale takes 30 pages of UI and beats Amaranth over the head with them === imbrandon sicks seele on Amaranth [12:33] hey, i stay away from the core stuff :P [12:33] i'm working on gnome integration [12:34] I believe beryle-gnome-integration is called compiz [12:34] hehe [12:34] Amaranth: err hold on dude asking couple of friends [12:35] who work at mv [12:36] err wait maybe I should ask this first [12:36] whats your attitude toward mofo? === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["#u-fr] [12:36] poningru: haha [12:37] poningru: i'd love to visit? :P [12:37] mofo ? [12:37] mozilla foundation [12:37] ahh [12:41] does ajmitch have housing for UDS, too? [12:42] not 100% sure, last i heard i think whiprush had offered something [12:43] i dont mind helping ajmitch or Amaranth as i said i just dont want anyone to get their panties in a bunch , you know what i mean [12:43] ( as in a 3rd person in the room ) === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #ubuntu-motu ["clear"] [12:44] i figured out in boston that i am too old to sleep on the floor [12:46] i'm not :P [12:48] :p [12:58] i think i'm going to have to try to borrow money from someone to get my own room for the first night [12:58] ow.. === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-000-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] or not eat for a day or two :P [01:06] crimsun: I do - if I didn't by now, i'd be in trouble [01:07] w/ whiprush et al.? [01:07] Amaranth : you're in trouble :p [01:07] yes [01:07] excellent [01:07] only option, really :) [01:10] i've got a fallback [01:10] but it'll hurt very badly === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] Amaranth: how badly? [01:10] TheMuso, rockin mpd + icecast was exactly what i wanted, got it working now [01:11] massive dept badly [01:11] Amaranth: under a bridge, or in an office? [01:11] imbrandon: Cool. [01:11] wha? [01:14] http://federation.imbrandon.com:8000/mpd.ogg.m3u if anyone cares to listen to my taste of music [01:14] now that its working thanks to TheMuso :) [01:17] imbrandon: I just got the email you sent yesterday nominating the known world [01:17] hahaha [01:17] kinda late [01:18] did you get the one after with a smaller list ? [01:18] I got that one first [01:18] ahh [01:18] like several hours ago :) === ajmitch blames the ISP's mail servers [01:19] heh [01:21] imbrandon: Is that on one of your own boxes? [01:21] yea [01:21] its here at the house [01:21] phew [01:22] Right. [01:22] I just got done "recabling" our lab for the new guy [01:22] he wondered why we don't have any Windows machines in our lab [01:22] LaserJock, what did you reply? [01:23] "cause we don't need them" [01:23] lol [01:23] I managed to dig up an old Windows 2k box for him [01:23] haha you should have gave him a skined kde :) [01:24] now I've got 2 Linux boxen, an iMac, a Windows 2k box, 2 printers, and UPS sitting more-or-less on 1 desk [01:24] s/sitting/sitting on/ [01:24] nvm === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] the kvm was a little cluttered [01:26] LaserJock: and a chemist needs all this? [01:26] and I had to rip out a NIC to put in the Windows box [01:26] ajmitch: we inherited a theoretician's lab [01:27] with all their junk? [01:27] well, we inherited their junk (and a grad student) but not lab/office space :( [01:29] but yeah, we don't really even need computers much [01:29] imbrandon: actually, I think GNOME actually looks closer to Windows, if you change the default menu structure and panels [01:30] well, it's not so much the "look" but the applications [01:30] Burgwork, http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/snapshot1.png [01:30] hehe [01:30] thats from my luna theme a few months ago [01:30] "can you run Windows software on it?" is usually what I get [01:31] LaserJock, i have IE6 Photoshop and iTunes all in that screenshot [01:31] :) [01:31] imbrandon: it is isn't quite right. the GNOME screenshots I have seen are actually much closer [01:31] imbrandon: there's a special circle of hell reserved for people like you [01:31] well, MS Office is the killer app for use unfortunately [01:31] now, of course, this is just a giant boobie prize === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] Burgwork, well its peiced from screenshots so it should be exact [01:32] eg ss i took from a winbox [01:33] woot i have a whole 3 listeners to my stream lol === ajmitch will avoid subscribing [01:34] heh i'm just ahppy i got it working === LaserJock thinks "stream of what?" :/ === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] 3 doors down is playing atm LaserJock , just random music i'm playing [01:34] http://federation.imbrandon.com:8000/mpd.ogg.m3u [01:35] so I can listen to what you're listening? [01:35] yea [01:35] this must be some sick core-dev brainwashing campaign [01:35] wha, no gangsta rap? [01:36] lol no [01:36] LaserJock: does he have shakira? :) [01:36] ajmitch: I might listen if he did [01:36] So imbrandon, are you just tuning into your own icecast server to listen to your music at the same time? [01:36] haha i do [01:36] LaserJock, ^ [01:36] oh geeze [01:37] TheMuso, yea i have icecast and mpd running on one computer and pympd on another [01:37] Right. [01:37] I think there's a KDE client. [01:37] Is that track improperly tagged or something? [01:38] yea [01:38] it has no title === imbrandon ques up shakera [01:38] just for LaserJock HAHAHHA [01:39] shakera sucks. Nuff said. [01:39] what the heck is this? [01:39] shakera [01:39] lol === imbrandon chooses something else [01:39] "Underneath Your Clothes" ? [01:40] yea [01:40] that's shakera?!?! [01:40] Current Song: Shakira - Underneath Your Clothes [01:40] tbh, I've never even heard or seen her === LaserJock lives under a rock [01:40] heh === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] LaserJock: neither have I, but I've heard it's crap music :) [01:41] hey bmonty [01:41] hi ajmitch [01:41] ajmitch: Hit it on the head. [01:41] SHe can't even sing. [01:41] it's like some kinda Country/Pop something [01:41] its not terrible is LaserJock [01:41] latin pop [01:41] LaserJock: ugh [01:41] burn it all [01:42] ok back to the good stuff [01:42] gah. Speakup is being screwy again [01:43] i could always put on some bach [01:43] :) === TheMuso would do something similar to Imbrandon, but doesn't have enough upstream bandwidth to support more than a few listeners, if that. [01:45] heh i dont have much, but i only have 2 or 3 listners soo [01:45] 8dn/1up [01:47] If dreamhost had icecast support, well that would be another story. [01:47] :( [01:47] something happened, I can't hear it anymore [01:48] you might have droped, relick the link [01:48] re-click [01:48] I have some recordings of finger nails on chalk boards and my son screaming if you guys are interested :) [01:48] lol [01:48] heh no thanks. [01:49] bmonty: I'll pass on that thanks === imbrandon has kiss playing now, and something he forgot queud up === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] I don't know what to use to listen to it [01:49] queued* [01:49] LaserJock, i'm using amarok to listen [01:49] oh, well totem seems to be working ok [01:49] LaserJock: What were you using? [01:49] most anything that will play ogg will [01:50] do the titles of the songs get streamed too ? [01:50] Yes. [01:50] ahh cool [01:50] link? [01:50] http://federation.imbrandon.com:8000/mpd.ogg.m3u [01:51] TheMuso: rhythmbox [01:51] yuk [01:51] LaserJock: Right. === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] bmonty, no like? [01:52] heh this is the first "slower" song i've played [01:52] nope, I'm definately not a lionel richie fan [01:53] Rhythmbox doesn't have gappless playback yet does it. [01:53] I know mpd does. [01:53] WHich was another thing that got me hooked on it. [01:55] yea if i could get dreamhost streaming going i would stream full time [01:55] just put my collection on random [01:56] good choice [01:56] Would help get through some of that bandwidth. [01:56] does mpd pick up new songs if you add them to the directory ? [01:56] No, you have to update the db and the playlist. [01:56] ahh [01:56] that kinda sucks [01:56] Doesn't bother me. [01:57] You could set up a cron job to do it though. :) [01:57] You'd have to make sure you don't add duplicate entries however. === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] yea [01:58] my collection is pretty scattered [01:58] Heh right. [01:58] i need to clean it up [01:58] i have every thing from bach to nelly === TheMuso is in the middle of re-ripping everything, to ensure directory structure consistancy, and to put it all in FLAC. [01:59] Nelly? eeeew [01:59] heh [02:02] imbrandon: hi === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] heya freeflying [02:04] i think this is my anthem [02:04] :) [02:08] hi all [02:08] does anyone have a working hibernate in kubuntu edgy? [02:11] foood, bbiab === freeflying_ [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] So if I was staying a night at the hotel Canonical setup, anyone know how to get there from the airport? [02:35] without driving or taking a cab the whole way, if possible [02:35] caltrain to sunnyvale, taxi from the train station? [02:35] ah [02:36] what airport? [02:36] SFO [02:37] that's the wild palms in sunnyvale then? [02:37] yeah [02:39] 8 miles away from google [02:39] yep === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micah_c [n=micah@adsl-69-236-109-158.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=bob@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] yea caltrain looks like the way to go, much cheaper than a shuttle [03:28] like 10x less it looks like === Lure [n=lure@71.16.75.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] do you have to book the shuttle online or couldnt you do it at the airport === LaserJock will be cruising around in his minivan [03:30] ooh come and pick me up then ;) [03:30] or maybe I can get my wife's cousin to drop me off [03:30] LaserJock, you wont be there the 4th though right ? [03:31] heh [03:31] is that Saturday? [03:31] zul, i guess at the airport, i think i'm gonna take a train ride [03:31] friday [03:32] err [03:32] saturday [03:32] yea [03:32] I was going to say [03:33] heh === Lure_ [n=lure@71.16.75.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] I'll be in Mt. View on Saturday night [03:37] I'm going to spend Saturday with my Grandparents in Sacramento [03:38] I haven't seen my grandpa since he got diagnosed with cancer [03:38] thats nice [03:38] except the cancer bit [03:39] cool [03:39] err well cept for grandpa [03:39] yea [03:39] :) === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] yeah, it's been interesting [03:43] he seems to be doing well with the chemo [03:50] LaserJock: so you won't be there to pick me up at the airport on saturday morning? :) [03:50] well, lunchtime [03:50] heh [03:50] how disappointing ;) [03:51] ajmitch, what time do you get there ? [03:51] imbrandon: when do you get in? [03:51] <_nixternal> ajmitch: please don't talk about food [03:51] 1030am [03:51] <_nixternal> im sittin' in class and my gut is rumbling [03:51] he lj shuttleservice [03:51] imbrandon: 11:15 to SFO [03:51] zul: heh, no thanks [03:51] i think elk is on that flight [03:51] nah [03:51] she's on an earlier flight [03:51] mpt & infinity are on the flight I'm on [03:51] she arrives about that time [03:52] she gets in at 9:40 or so [03:52] damn it am i the only one going to sjc [03:52] I'm from Montana, the bay area is a nightmare to drive around [03:52] ahh thats right [03:53] 10:59:22 Terminal Not Available 10:05 [03:53] so we're all within a few minutes [03:53] her at 10 me at 1030 and yall at 1115 [03:54] yeah [03:54] zul, probably [03:54] heh [03:54] i was thinking about taking caltrain after looking at the map [03:55] from the airport to sunnyvale [03:55] the hotel apparently does have wireless [03:55] imbrandon: you could just wait around the airport for awhile for us :) [03:55] gah brb phone [03:55] hmm which packages control hibernate? acpi-support? [03:56] I can't believe you guys are stuck in sunnyvale [03:56] I thought Paris was bad [03:56] but at least we were staying in the same city [03:56] heh [03:56] ajmitch, i had planned on it if you wanted , it wont be a long wait ( probably take me that long to get my luggage ) [03:56] only 45 min [03:56] imbrandon: it'll take awhile for me, since I've got to go through customs [03:57] which tends to not be too long [03:57] ahh thats right, but thats no biggie really [03:57] at least I've been to SFO before :) [03:57] yeah just dont bring any vegemite [03:57] yucky yucky [03:57] i'll probably try to find a hotspot and check my mail or something while i wait [03:57] imbrandon: you know how far the caltrain station is from the airport? [03:57] it says its AT the airport [03:58] hm, the map said otherwise, but I think it is at the airport [03:58] and then 2.3 miles from the hotel [03:58] <_nixternal> i can have sam pick everyone up, but no looking at my gf! [03:58] in sunnyvale [03:59] seems like there's wireless at the airport, but you have to pay [03:59] http://www.caltrain.com/caltrain_stations.html [03:59] _nixternal: haha [03:59] first one in zone 2 [03:59] is the airport [03:59] millbrae [03:59] yeah, see the map for it [04:00] <_nixternal> ya, if i get my walking papers to miss school next week, I will be there Friday..I have it planned to just stay with here for a couple of reasons, but it won't cost me a dime..plus she works at Google ;) [04:00] ahh yea it seems to be off a bit, but i bet the map is wrong [04:00] I hope so [04:00] <_nixternal> what color is meeting going to be in? [04:00] <_nixternal> or the uds rather [04:00] "At Millbrae station pick up the free shuttle bus for transfer to the airport." [04:01] no idea _nixternal [04:01] ajmitch, ahhh probably not from the airport TO the station [04:01] <_nixternal> red and blue are the coolest, green is marketing and sales (go figure), i yellow is off limits if i remember correctly [04:01] hrm [04:02] they better have the stupid onramp for 101 fixed, last time I spent 30 min going around in circles trying to figure out how to get from Highway 580 onto 101 [04:02] <_nixternal> there also used to be a "Tech Corridor" Shuttle there as well..don't know if it is still there though [04:03] "To access San Francisco International Airport, BART is operating a train about every 15 minutes between the Millbrae station and SFO. All passengers must purchase a ticket before boarding." [04:03] http://www.caltrain.com/faqs.html [04:03] <_nixternal> heh, be careful on BART [04:04] how come? [04:04] <_nixternal> there is a whole nother meaning to "Bay Area" rapid transit [04:04] I'm sure if a group of us travel from the airport it won't be too bad [04:04] ajmitch, yea [04:04] <_nixternal> depending on the locale, but going southwest towards google shall be fine, you just don't want to head towards oakland on it [04:04] i'll just stick arround and wait for yall [04:05] and see if elkbuntu wants too also ( ping ? ) [04:05] heh someone make a big ubuntu sign so we can all see where to meetup lol [04:05] she may not want to wait that long [04:05] ajmitch, true [04:05] depends which terminal we meet in, too [04:06] not only that she will probably get out of customs about the time i arrive [04:06] becosue its only 30 minutes diffrence [04:06] true [04:07] <_nixternal> 30 minutes in customs? that would be super duper fast [04:07] hrm i wonder what terminal i'm comming in on [04:07] <_nixternal> i spent an hour coming from canada last month, without 1 shoe [04:07] <_nixternal> haha [04:08] canadian customs is nothing [04:08] <_nixternal> it is easier to come across the border with an elephant and a mariacchi band then it is to get through customs [04:08] <_nixternal> canadian customs was through the metal detector, and the plain [04:08] <_nixternal> plane as well [04:08] <_nixternal> but chicago o'hare, coming from the plane, back through customs, was over an hour..they took my 1 shoe for testing [04:09] <_nixternal> no place to sit..i was mad as all heck [04:09] _nixternal, next time just say aboot and eh and it will go quicker [04:09] <_nixternal> lol [04:10] <_nixternal> they would have marked me a terrorist...since i have a common name im on their "check" list [04:10] <_nixternal> so is my dad [04:10] the 1 time I've been to the US, I had no problems [04:10] yeah you dont want the rcmp after you === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:10] <_nixternal> ajmitch: well, we are at level orange..gahahahaha i couldn't even finish that joke [04:10] heh last time i was in the us was at niagra falls [04:11] <_nixternal> gahah..i got a lil tanked with a mounty..they are cool [04:11] not if your last name is arar hah [04:11] <_nixternal> that was in Banf, Alberta [04:11] <_nixternal> hahaa [04:13] at UDS-Paris, the CDG cattle chute was the worst part [04:14] ? [04:14] 12.8 C in SF saturday [04:14] not too bad [04:14] 17.5C in dunedin at the moment [04:14] imbrandon: at CDG they just put you in a big funnel for security [04:15] heh [04:15] heh low of -7C in ottawa on saturday im leaving at the right time [04:15] its a whole 1C right now here [04:21] <_nixternal> LaserJock: terminal 2a? [04:22] _nixternal: ? [04:22] <_nixternal> coming from the terminal into that funnel [04:22] <_nixternal> i sat my laptop bag down and forgot it [04:22] ouch [04:22] <_nixternal> not really..it was the companies ;) [04:23] I've got a backpack for my laptop [04:23] much easier to carry round airports for hours on end [04:23] yea i was thinking about a backpack [04:23] for my lappy [04:23] <_nixternal> i was on my way to belgium..where the company Real was out of..they bought our company (TAVA) in 2000 [04:23] ajmitch, look like i get in SF in terminal 1, you know what one you all got ? [04:24] international terminal, I think it's 3 [04:24] <_nixternal> they will be in the international [04:24] <_nixternal> way far away from 1 [04:24] lol [04:24] it's not that far [04:24] <_nixternal> oh, its a good jot [04:24] ok well since i get there first i'll come to your term [04:25] <_nixternal> imbrandon: it will take you all day to get there...walk 100', smoke break, mt. dew, walk another 100', repeat [04:25] ok, international terminal != terminal 3 [04:25] haha [04:25] LOL === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #ubuntu-motu ["clear"] [04:26] <_nixternal> imbrandon: if i remember correctly...you have to goto them actually [04:26] heh thats what i said :) [04:28] <_nixternal> you can drive to the international terminal, walking would stink, but they have the escalator things iirc, like o'hare does [04:28] imbrandon, hmm? [04:28] heya chick [04:28] fancy waiting for ajmitch and crew with us ?> [04:28] imbrandon: BART station in in the international terminal, if we plan to get that to the caltrain station [04:29] ajmitch, [04:29] ok [04:29] no problemo [04:29] we could just meet at the BART station then probably would be the easiest [04:29] hey elkbuntu [04:29] how long a wait? [04:29] yeah, if we get the right one [04:29] elkbuntu: my flight lands at 11:15 [04:30] elkbuntu, it will be about 1hours 15 minutes for you [04:30] so it could be a little while [04:30] is there more than one BART station ? [04:30] imbrandon, i land at 9:42 [04:30] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_International_Airport_%28BART_station%29 [04:30] ahh i was thinking you said 1005 [04:30] but hour and a half aint bad [04:31] imbrandon: looks like there's 1 station on 2 levels, or something silly [04:31] ahh /me looks [04:31] ah, 2 entrances to it, according to wikipedia [04:32] http://www.bart.gov/guide/airport/sfo.asp <-- confusing [04:32] airtrain station is free, to the BART station :) [04:32] well, San Fran area is a bit confusing [04:32] so we meet at BART station, I guess [04:33] I'll see if I can find mpt & infinity as well [04:33] There are two entrances and exits one on level 3, adjacent to the grand foyer off the north side of the International Terminal; and the other is a level up at the Garage G/BART AirTrain station. [04:33] from the wiki [04:34] so i guess level 3 at the BART station as we likely wont have a reason to be in the garage [04:35] elkbuntu, ajmitch ^ [04:35] oh wow i just realized i'll be surrounded by AU/NZ accents [04:35] lol === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-128-92-140.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] imbrandon: that's fine :) [04:37] kk /me wrote it on his itenerary so he dosent forget [04:40] I'll be getting off caltrain at MV [04:40] & probably getting a taxi to the hotel I'm at [04:41] yea , me and elk will go onto sunnyvale [04:41] i looked the trainstaion from there to the hotel is 2 miles ( too far to walk with luggage ) [04:41] & any others going there [04:41] so likely a cab [04:41] yikes [04:42] I'm sorry I probably won't be over there in time [04:42] I could shuttle you guys to the hotel [04:42] although I'd probably get lost anyway [04:42] hehe [04:43] yeah, I haven't checked distance for the hotel I'm at [04:43] ajmitch: are you in Mt. View? [04:43] I hate you all :-) [04:44] 1.3 mi (about 2 mins) [04:44] LaserJock: yeah, but it's a little distance from the train station [04:44] I could probably walk it in a few minutes, the suitcase has wheels [04:45] basically just 1 mile down a street [04:45] yea [04:45] mine does too ( wheels ) but i dunno, guess i'll see when i get there , likely will cab it though [04:51] hmm, I wonder how easy it'll be to get a cab [04:51] I'd guess around a train station there'd be something [04:51] should be simple [04:52] <_MMA_> Anyone here use Eyas reservations? [04:52] LaserJock: so when will you grace us with your presence? [04:53] Eyas as in the company canonical recomended ? [04:53] <_MMA_> Yea. [04:53] yea i did [04:53] <_MMA_> Did they mess up your name? [04:53] no [04:53] <_MMA_> they tacked on "mr" to my 1st name. [04:53] well, I'll be at Google Sunday morning [04:53] _MMA_: that's normal [04:54] _MMA_, yea that means your a male :) its normal [04:54] <_MMA_> Wont the airport hastel me? [04:54] <_MMA_> hassel [04:54] nope [04:54] no [04:54] unless you are not, in fact, male [04:54] _MMA_: I had to email them asking about it too :-) [04:54] <_MMA_> Only in my dreams. [04:54] heh i dont wanna know [04:55] <_MMA_> Ahh... Ok. [04:55] <_MMA_> :) [04:55] <_MMA_> joejaxx and I had the same issue. [04:55] the problem with me is [04:55] i am leaving from newark library international airport [04:56] == chaos city [04:56] lol [04:56] LaserJock: the other thing is i have a numeral on the end of my name [04:57] joejaxx: cause of your name? [04:57] _MMA_: I had the same problem for bookings to UDU [04:57] it's not a problem at all [04:57] <_MMA_> Good to know. [04:58] uggg, this wiki work is tedious [04:58] Full Text searches periodically stop working [04:59] LaserJock: yes [05:00] but on the itinerary the numeral is not there [05:00] hm, it might only be about a 30-40 minute walk from your hotel to where I'm staying [05:00] I might do that on saturday [05:03] I was wrong, I thought it was on another street [05:03] oh well [05:03] it should be interesting to see everyone in person [05:04] ajmitch, or a 5 min train ride and a 10 minute walk [05:04] from hotel to hotel === imbrandon just hopes sebas dosent end up with another foot in the face this time [05:07] ? [05:07] I doubt it [05:08] hehe [05:08] joejaxx, sebeas ended up in a slight altercation in paris [05:09] :( [05:09] joejaxx, http://kwwii.blogspot.com/ [05:09] kwwii hasent posted since then so its still on top [05:10] lol [05:10] imbrandon: oh? [05:10] imbrandon: wow [05:10] that's sad [05:12] is Mr. Kuegler, S e v e a s? [05:13] no [05:13] i must be mixing people up [05:13] what is MR. Kuegler's irc name? [05:13] Mr.* [05:14] sebeas [05:14] ah ok [05:14] v and b [05:14] dennis k. is Seve^as [05:14] yes [05:15] i was confusing the names :\ [05:15] interesting: distrowatch 7 day stats: 4 Xubuntu 1069 up, 6 Kubuntu 986 up [05:15] cool [05:16] xubuntu getting some love [05:16] yep [05:17] what kinds of stats are those? [05:18] hits on the various distrowatch pages, one per IP per day [05:18] ah ok [05:19] haha we are still on the waiting list === mayday_jay [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA1 [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA1 is now known as _MMA_ === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:00] jdub is smoking something again [06:00] see his zombies post [06:05] yeah, it's was kinda rambling [06:05] lol [06:06] he to goofy to make a good zombie though [06:06] :-) [06:06] he has been known to be serious [06:07] yeah [06:07] he's a lot of fun [06:10] w [06:10] Whoops. === rytmisk [n=irc@CPE-155-143-137-122.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-083-102-068-117.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:18] alrighty [06:18] I trimmed off ~30 redirects [06:24] nice [06:28] wow , yea i dont understand jdub's post at all [06:28] hehe === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:21] ok, I created a MOTU wiki sandbox [07:21] to put temp/draft pages [07:24] is anybody alive? [07:24] :-) [07:25] :) but i'm going to school :) [07:25] see you later. [07:27] gnight all === imbrandon heads to bed === palski [n=ville@a81-197-22-200.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:28] alive? pssht. [07:28] imbrandon: this early? you sound like you're moving away from your European schedule [07:28] heh trying too for MTV [07:28] i'm almost on a normal schedule [07:28] :) [07:29] that will never happen [07:29] it will for a week [07:29] then go back to normal [07:29] he is a european hillbilly [07:29] :) [07:30] lol [07:30] well, UDS isn't looking to hot, but if all else fails, at least i get to hang out with rms on saturday [07:30] as long as he stays away from mtv i'm good [07:31] man, I'm just getting no comments on this dapper-proposed SRU. [07:31] what one ? [07:31] crimsun: just add some political humor to it, you will get plenty of comments, although probably not the comments you are looking for [07:31] bug 62855 [07:31] Malone bug 62855 in alsa-lib "Stereo line-in capture broken in alsa-lib 1.0.10 for "simple mixer" cards." 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[09:07] hi Hobbsee [09:07] hey dholbach [09:07] hey Hobbsee [09:07] dholbach: I've been working on the MOTU wiki today [09:07] kkubasik: all the best with that exam! [09:07] dholbach: thanks much! [09:07] LaserJock: I'll have a look at the myriads of wiki mails in a bit ;) [09:08] it's not so visible right now, but I got rid of a lot of clutter [09:08] deleted ~30 pages there were just redirects [09:08] and created MOTU/SandBox [09:08] as a place for people to put drafts, etc. [09:09] one thing I've noticed is that it's hard to tell if a page is a work in progress [09:09] or if it's a finished, stable page [09:09] LaserJock: in deleting redirects, you may have caused issues [09:09] Burgundavia: I checked them [09:09] agreed, when I was looking for info, it was quite hard to tell if [09:09] ok, just checking :) [09:09] something is done [09:09] Burgundavia: googled and full text search in the wiki [09:10] Burgundavia: I either fixed broken links or left redirects that had lots of links to them [09:10] next step is to clean up existing pages, making sure they are updated, perhaps merging some pages together [09:11] then restructuring the main MOTU page so info is easier to get to === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@89.165-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === palski [n=palski@raastinrauta.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:32] hi all [09:34] dholbach: how goes the SRU battle? :) [09:34] ajmitch: there is no battle [09:35] I wished that some people followed up with there preferences [09:35] why is the SRU thing so hard anyway? [09:36] dholbach: the battle to get a team together quickly, not between MOTUs [09:36] hello Hobbsee [09:36] hi ajmitch [09:37] ajmitch: I said I'd do it Friday, no? [09:38] so everybody could have their chance proposing their favourite MOTU :) [09:39] dholbach: why not just nominate all of the MOTU's - that seems to be what's happening :P === ajmitch is still waiting to receive mail that's in the archives [09:39] that's fine with me, but if 10 people voted for MOTU a, another 8 for MOTU b, ... it'd make things easier [09:39] anyway... don't complain if I pick random people in the end === dholbach pout [09:39] s [09:40] oh I'm not complaining === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:40] i got nominated once, so that can be ignored :) [09:40] Hobbsee: everybody did ;) [09:40] most people did, yes [09:40] dholbach: excellent! :D === rytmisk [n=irc@CPE-155-143-137-122.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:47] dholbach: imbrandon's email sort of settled it for me [09:50] LaserJock: hum, I'm not quite sure I understand that post - did imbrandon just pick some people for the team there? [09:50] yep [09:51] that's not what was discussed before [09:51] well, I nominated too many it seems [09:51] so we wanted to shorten the list === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:51] and it seems like few will reject it [09:52] only Hobbsee and StevenK haven't accepted their nomination from that list === Hobbsee likely wont [09:52] LaserJock: trouble was, neither of us seriously thought about it, before our names got chucked up there. give us each a bit of time :P [09:52] hey LaserJock === dholbach follows up [09:53] dholbach: -uvf was just for edgy, right? [09:53] team membership, I mean [09:54] ajmitch: yeah, we should agree on a new team before feisty's UniverseFreeze [09:54] right === ajmitch removes self [09:54] and maybe we get a better voting mechanism together === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seaLne [n=seaLne@ubuntu/member/sealne] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:56] yeah [09:57] dholbach: but I though you were MOTU sabdfl ;-) [09:58] who need voting :-) === Lutin_ [n=ubuntu@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:58] *needs [09:58] voting is good if it actually works [09:59] true [09:59] we'll improve on that === dholbach is confident [09:59] well, so far from what I've seen, votes during meetings are the most effective and fast [10:00] only if you have a short list of names [10:00] yeah, but I think we could have come to a pretty swift consensus in an IRC meeting [10:00] organizing the meeting is the difficult part [10:01] decoupling from IRC! :) === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:01] I'll reply imbrandon's mail to pick my favorite then, since dholbach wants everybody's opinion [10:02] minghua: pick whoever you want, not just from that list [10:02] dholbach: but not much point if I pick someone who hasn't accepted nomination yet, is it? [10:03] minghua: sure it is [10:03] minghua: if he/she accepts after your post, that's cool [10:03] as I said: friday night, saturday morning, the team will be ready [10:03] let me decline the nomination for me first... [10:03] dholbach: we're not trying to pressure you, don't worry :) [10:04] chipx86 as lego man: http://flickr.com/photos/chipx86/285519943/ :-) [10:07] Hobbsee: err... by "sure it is", do you mean there is a point or not? [10:07] hehe [10:07] Hobbsee: if there is, what is the point? like dholbach said, to make him/her accept? [10:08] minghua: oh, sorry. as in, you may as well. just because they havent responded yet doestn necessarily say that they mean know [10:08] er, doesnt necessarily say that they're going to decline === Hobbsee kicks her brain [10:08] minghua: it'd probably help to know if more people supported them [10:08] Hobbsee: yeah, makes sense === minghua goes nominate Hobbsee [10:09] heh [10:09] i dont get it, why are people nominating me??? [10:09] :P [10:10] cause you're cute and cuddly like the ponies we so desperately want [10:10] haha [10:10] Hobbsee: because people think you'll do a good job [10:10] oops, did I say that out loud? :-) [10:10] hah === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:26] hahahaha mako in an ad for acm === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:27] Err... is there regular moderating for ubuntu-motu mailing list? === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua changed the email address to @ubuntu.com one and the mails got hold :-( === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@dialin105073.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] did he fall asleep on his keyboard? [10:36] :-) [10:36] must have :) === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock chalks it up to a KDE thing ;-) [10:37] haha === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock finds peace in ignoring joins/parts === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF | Edgy frozen: All further uploads need to be for edgy-updates or when feisty opens === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by bhale at Sun Oct 29 11:47:02 2006 === Tonio___ [n=tonio@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schultmc_ [n=schultmc@216-54-159-97.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [06:09] slomo: here? [06:09] Adri2000: sure [06:10] why liferea is 0ubuntu? it is already in Debian === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:11] Admiral_Chicago: because debian still has a much older version than we habe [06:11] Adri2000: ^--- [06:11] they're at 1.0.18-1, we're at 1.0.23-0ubuntu1 [06:11] slomo: ? [06:11] Admiral_Chicago: sorry, xchat's bad nickname autocompletion :/ [06:12] slomo: ah it's all good. Konversation is much better [06:12] slomo: ok, I saw that === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-003-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:13] "a new version will be uploaded in the next few days." said the maintainer on 15th october [06:13] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393160 [06:13] Debian bug 393160 in liferea "liferea: Package outdated" [Normal,Open] [06:13] so what? :) [06:14] don't know :p [06:14] i just got pwnt on digg. i was about to upload the KDE 4.0 story but got beat out because i took to look hunting down the right link === Lutin_ [n=ubuntu@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schultmc [n=schultmc@216-54-159-97.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:28] debian/rules:19: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk: Doesn't exit [06:28] exist === Adri2000_ [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:34] missing build-dep on quilt i'd guess === vil [n=vladimir@catv-tisnov-86.selfnet.cz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] gonna check === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:39] ogra, you were right, quilt was the one [06:43] ogra, can you make me a small favour? === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:44] luisbg: I think he's in a meeting, is it something I can help you with? [06:45] LaserJock, check what I did here... === raphink [n=raphink@wormhole.x-echo.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:45] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ardour/+bug/51635 [06:45] Malone bug 51635 in ardour "missing dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === raphink [n=raphink@wormhole.x-echo.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=alessand@host230-162-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:46] luisbg: does it need a particular version of jackd? === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:47] imo no [06:47] then that looks fine to me [06:48] ok cool, just checking =) [06:48] still don't have too much confidence in myself [06:48] LaserJock, I joined the ubuntu studio team [06:48] good [06:49] they are starting so need loads of help [06:49] and since loads of it is non technical [06:49] I've been all day helping [06:52] LaserJock, will ask for help when we try to package cinelerra [06:53] :-) [06:53] I've heard it's hell to package [06:53] a few have tried before === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.54] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:59] LaserJock, are apps that need java hard to package? [06:59] it's not that they are hard to package [07:00] but they are usually not so cool because Sun's Java is not Free [07:00] if they can a Free java VM then it not bad [07:01] morning [07:01] how does azureus does it? [07:01] hey ajmitch [07:02] luisbg: look at apt-cache show azureus [07:04] I see === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:28] crimsun: ping? [07:36] Amaranth: pong [07:36] PM? [07:36] sure === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yotux [n=yotux@68-115-37-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:46] have a question about packaging === redguy [n=mati@public-gprs19093.centertel.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:55] is there a guide for java application packaging in ubuntu? [07:56] no [07:56] Debian has a Java policy though, I think [07:56] Amaranth: I'm here, my responses haven't gone through [07:56] hi crimsun [07:56] (being unidentified and all) [07:57] crimsun: oh [07:57] hi ajmitch [07:57] i forget how to turn that off [07:57] why are we turning that off? [08:00] grrr, is there a way to sort/filter subscribed specs === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:01] LaserJock, I have read the debian java policy [08:01] but looking to the azureus package and original source... they are very different [08:01] and that confuses me === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-145-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rgl [n=Rui@84.90.9.66] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tepsipakki [n=tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:05] hello [08:09] darn it [08:10] I forgot to bring a NIC in to work === Lure_ [n=lure@72-254-161-29.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:14] I guess that'll teach me to not toss out all the junker computers === bhale looks at the box of NICS under his desk [08:14] 4 port GIG-E === _DvP_ [n=David@128.235.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:15] bhale: ggrr [08:15] I'm just trying to find something that's not ISA [08:15] they are like $500 a piece, freaking ridiculous [08:15] PCIE [08:17] \o/ found one. hopefully it's not dead [08:20] PCI-E 4 port GIG-E? [08:20] Amaranth: yes [08:20] i hope they've also got that hardware assist crap [08:20] i cant get enough of them [08:21] unless you have a beast of a machine managing all the data [08:21] sniffer ports [08:21] hm i put 3 in a box dude :) === Jozo- [i=jozo@viola.uninea.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:25] hmm, is there a way to totally reset the network settings [08:26] my box seems to think there's an eth0 that isn't there [08:26] but it puts the real eth0 as eth2 [08:26] /etc/iftab [08:27] you can map names to mac addresses [08:28] geeze my networking is hosed [08:28] it's all because the onboard LAN seems to have died [08:29] how is iftab created? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:29] automatically at boot? === hub [n=hub@moodiegate.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-6-106.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:30] i think by the installer [08:30] if you comment it out [08:30] udev does whatever it feels like === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:31] yay for randomly changing network device names :P [08:32] yeah it rules [08:33] well, if the gnome networking tool didn't seem to do weird things it'd be nice [08:36] darn it, I'm so close to reinstalling just so I can get some networking [08:43] gah, forums === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@87.217.160.238] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:44] ajmitch: what now? === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:44] just crap === _DvP_ [n=David@128.235.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:45] I want to believe I was never that kind of forum user :/ [08:45] I really shouldn't read them, they're bad for my health [08:46] well, luckily the "Education and Science" subforum was started [08:46] I can just go there [08:47] and not wander around too much :-) [08:47] I was reading the feisty section === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-43-155.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@87.217.160.238] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:57] moins fella's [08:58] ok, here's a question, do we have an easy way to see what packages are in -proposed? [08:58] hi imbrandon [08:58] hrm not that i know of [08:59] ajmitch, there is a feisty section ? === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] hey imbrandon [09:02] heya Burgwork [09:02] imbrandon: I added edgy-proposed to my sources list, but then I realized that I wouldn't know if I was testing something or not :/ [09:02] you can madison and see where its comming from [09:02] but I'd have to madison everything [09:02] on a per package basis [09:02] yea [09:02] that sucks [09:02] it was just a thought [09:02] hrm [09:03] I thought maybe there might be a proposed.ubuntu.com or something like that that listed the contents of the repo === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin_ [n=ubuntu@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:05] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-proposed/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz looks empty === matid [n=matid@ubuntu/member/matid] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:12] imbrandon: of course there's a feisty section, where else do they come up with this crap? [09:13] haha [09:14] I thought the Ubuntu fairies waved their magic wands of the DC [09:14] s/of/over/ [09:15] some of the forum people think that === imbrandon looks for the feisty section [09:17] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=179 [09:19] people that can't dist-upgrade to feisty because they spell it fiesty in sources.list :) [09:19] that was awesp,e [09:19] awesome even [09:19] sorry, new keyboard. [09:19] hey whiprush! [09:19] that one's going to bite me [09:19] hi aj [09:19] heya whiprush [09:20] I know I'm going to get an uploaded rejected cause I'll spell it wrong [09:20] hi imbrandon [09:20] ajmitch, rockin ( next question is why they are dist upgrading to feisty now anyhow ) [09:20] clearly it should be spelt fisty [09:20] that way there would be no confusion [09:20] lol [09:20] maybe I'll have to write a script that says, "It's feisty stupid" [09:20] it's hoary not whorey! [09:21] imbrandon: "because they can" [09:21] LaserJock: dput hooks === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:21] imbrandon: got you're music stream going? [09:22] does someone have a good exemple of a package using debconf ? or a link to a good explanation ? [09:22] LaserJock, no but i can fire it up [09:22] mr_pouit, xorg ? [09:22] imbrandon, ok, thanks, i will look at it [09:22] imbrandon: people always want the latest & greatest crack, no matter how broken [09:23] mr_pouit: just a sec, there's a good reference, let me find it [09:24] mr_pouit: http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html [09:24] thanks :) === redguy_ [n=mati@public-gprs19093.centertel.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] I somewhat question the helpfulness of a " UDS Mountain View : Call for specs for Feisty" on the forums [09:26] specialy when the instructions was to make a forum thread [09:26] about it [09:27] somehow, I don't think a single sentence is enough for a thread [09:27] well, it seems like we have waaay too many specs [09:28] I think specs have somewhat turned into basically feature requests === Lure_ [n=lure@72-254-161-29.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:28] LaserJock: indeed. [09:28] Pet Bug fixes please [09:29] I'm worried that we'll have to start weeding them out [09:29] and then it looks like we're the bad guys [09:29] well, mdz anyway ;-) [09:29] There were heaps for Paris. [09:29] there needs to be a "We Know" mechanism someplace. [09:30] Not all wre looked at afaik. [09:30] not close [09:30] and I think we might have more this time [09:30] Fun fun fun. [09:30] Just when the spec process was useful for new feature development, it looks like there may have to be tighter restrictions on who can do it next time. [09:30] If it needs to be kept under control. [09:31] if you figure 3 BOFs / spec [09:31] But I know thats not always fair for those who have good spec ideas. [09:31] you get about 20-30 specs [09:32] if you do 4 tracks [09:32] ~100 [09:32] if you're lucky [09:32] Right. === Lutin_ [n=ubuntu@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:33] LaserJock: ditto the mailing list. [09:33] LaserJock, well, spec proposal time is over anyway [09:33] we are at 163 accepted specs for Mt. View [09:33] ogra: it's an older thread [09:34] and I don't know that they care [09:34] look only at the ones with mid priority and hgher [09:34] *higher [09:34] the message seems to be "If you write a spec they will have to implement it" [09:34] LaserJock: 163 seems about average [09:34] the low ones will likely fall off the table again === Plug [n=crb@203.167.190.117] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:34] ogra: sure, but there are 163 specs proposed [09:35] ogra: considering that just about all of our directory team stuff is undefined, it's not looking so great them [09:35] s/proposed/accepted/ ;) [09:35] though we'll still have to meet & talk [09:35] ogra: yes [09:35] I'm just saying, I don't think a lot of people have realistic expectations when it comes to a UDS [09:35] ajmitch, by sunday all 163 should have a prio ... [09:36] ajmitch: I was going to go a different approach, get sabdfl hammered saturday night, then have him log into launchpad ... [09:36] haha [09:36] lol [09:36] great [09:36] whiprush: you want to try & drink him under the table? [09:36] whiprush: he might flip a few too many switches though [09:36] heh [09:36] oh look, feisty has been released [09:37] doh [09:37] you know the opinoins on the beryl-by-default thread are sane though, i'm suprised, they seem to say the same thing we have been ( make it easy to install but not default ) [09:37] first good thread i've seen [09:38] yeah, I was pleasantly surprised [09:38] I wondered if I was on the wrong forum [09:38] :) === pingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-1455.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:41] ok, so here's the interesting part for me, there are 909 open specs for ubuntu [09:41] and? [09:41] it's kinda insane [09:41] well anyone can write one [09:41] and there are many duplicates [09:42] yes [09:42] and only certain people can make them obsolete === gottreu [n=gottreu@martok.cc.LaTech.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [09:42] how many high and medium ones ? [09:42] the issue is not people writing them [09:42] well, like 2/3 are "Undefined" [09:42] the issue is seperation [09:43] Burgwork: exactly [09:43] by default, only certain people can assign priority [09:43] right now I can't even separate my subscribed specs by product even [09:43] it's rather hard to see what's going on [09:44] it's like one big blob [09:44] make a spec on spec handleing ( scarcasim ) [09:44] doh [09:44] sarcasim* [09:44] can someone help me with this error http://pastie.caboo.se/20906 ? [09:45] its outputing some weird locale errors :| [09:45] export LC_ALL=C [09:46] Is lp slow for anybody else? [09:46] I want to use en_US.UTF-8. but I don't have that on /usr/share/locale/ :( [09:49] en_US.UTF-8 isnt a locale its a language [09:49] it wants the locale set [09:49] e.g export LC_ALL=C [09:50] huh? why do I have all the others LC_XXX en_US.UTF-8 ? [09:50] LANGUAGE = (unset), [09:50] LC_ALL = (unset), [09:50] LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" [09:52] brandon@horatio:~$ echo $LANGUAGE [09:52] en [09:52] brandon@horatio:~$ echo $LC_ALL [09:52] C [09:52] brandon@horatio:~$ echo $LANG [09:52] en_US.UTF-8 [09:52] brandon@horatio:~$ [09:52] rgl, ^^ === chesty [n=chesty@unconcerned.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:57] sorry imbrandon , but I want UTF for everything. [09:58] Wow. A spec has been proposed to consider whether ppc will be dropped. [09:58] I found how to do it. I have to generate the locale stuff using locale-gen [09:58] TheMuso: is that so suprising? [09:58] Yes. [09:59] TheMuso, yea , i dont think it will happen this time though, there are still too many ppc's out there [09:59] maybe next time [09:59] it will be planned well in advance [09:59] a few releases away [09:59] Surprising to me at least. [09:59] it has to happen sometime. [09:59] Fair enough. [09:59] the major vendor has exited [09:59] for desktops , not servers [09:59] it wasnt there for servers [10:00] thus we'll probably keep the server version like sparcs [10:00] and we dont support ia64 for example [10:00] "support" [10:00] we dont support sparc either on the desktop but do on the server [10:00] ppc isnt going to suddenly disappear as an ubuntu arch [10:00] I know that. [10:01] bhale, my point is sparc is still a canonical supported arch on the server iso's and ibm still cranks out lots of ppc servers :) [10:01] ok, right on [10:01] but not on the desktop [10:01] could be the plan [10:01] wg 43 [10:01] imbrandon: and it doesn't mean that we'd drop ppc altogther from support [10:01] right [10:02] just not from canonical [10:02] How does one propose a package? Is the wiki the "official" way for end users? [10:03] finalbeta, if you want someone else to eventualy get to it put it on the wiki page, if you have already made packages use REVU [10:03] finalbeta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates [10:03] thnx === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-6-106.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=alessand@host230-162-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubitux [n=ubitux@88.160.187.174] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:58] geeze, how do you register for an LP account? [10:58] I can't find a URL [10:59] https://launchpad.net/people ? [10:59] i think you dont see it if you are logged in [10:59] launchpad.net , top right === geser [n=michael@dialin106162.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:59] oh, must be because I'm logged in [11:00] ah, right, its top right :) [11:00] left, right, all so confusing :) [11:01] lol [11:01] launchpad is a bit like that :) === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === grimace [n=grimace@rolf.yuss.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@fletching-04.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:12] hi everybody === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-142-54-172.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:13] hi Toadstool [11:13] hey LaserJock === Zdra [n=zdra@96.204-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-091-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-1455.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch wonders if the new glibc is safe to upgrade to === Lutin_ [n=ubuntu@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === giskard thinks that ajmitch is crazy [11:43] ajmitch: jbailey has [11:43] I figured he would [11:43] it should be reasonably ok [11:44] however the latest glibc upload isn't built & in the archive yet [11:53] yeah pitti complained earlier about the buildds === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [n=ogra@63.81.187.231] has joined #ubuntu-motu