[12:18] <cbx33> mhz, !!!!
[12:18] <cbx33> wow long time no see
[12:18] <mhz> cbx33: hey ya!!
[12:18] <cbx33> how are you
[12:18] <mhz> indeed, toooooo loooong
[12:19] <mhz> still kind of unemployed but at least, kicking :)
[12:19] <mhz> I am helping an internet cafe to migrate to *buntu
[12:19] <cbx33> nice
[12:19] <cbx33> sorry about the unemployed
[12:19] <cbx33> I know how that feels
[12:20] <mhz> so, they ar considering a mix solution: Edubuntu server + 5 clients and about 10 kubuntu stations
[12:20] <mhz> (kubunt, basically because they want to use openkiosk)
[12:21] <mhz> cbx33 and all devels: CONGRATS for Edubuntu 6.10
[12:21] <mhz> it looks and feels great
[12:21] <mhz> I only dislike the uspalsh .)
[12:21] <cbx33> I didn't do much
[12:21] <cbx33> :( - sorry mhz that was my doing
[12:21] <mhz> but i did nothing :)
[12:21] <cbx33> what about the sounds
[12:21] <cbx33> hehe
[12:22] <mhz> sounds are very nice, indeed
[12:22] <mhz> it felt good the change
[12:22] <mhz> oops, the change felt good
[12:22] <mhz> cbx33: the thing is not really that it is too redish...
[12:23] <mhz> it is the fact that redish logo over redish background...not good choice
[12:23] <mhz> kubuntu and xubuntu decided to use their logos over black bg
[12:24] <mhz> so, the logo gts emphatized
[12:24] <cbx33> yeh i see your point
[12:25] <cbx33> we just wanted to mak the most of 256 colours
[12:25] <cbx33> anyway
[12:25] <cbx33> nn guys
[12:25] <cbx33> nn mhz 
[12:25] <mhz> cbx33: anyways, thx foryour help
[01:23] <nixternal> hehe
[06:53] <gregben> Hi, I'm running Ubuntu 6.06 LTS and would like to install the edubuntu applications (math, games, etc.) only. Any ideas on how to do this?
[06:53] <bimberi> hi gregben, if you install the edubuntu-desktop package it will brink in those apps
[06:55] <gregben> Bimberi: Thx. Won't this wipe out the regular desktop? I have a kindergartener, a
[06:55] <Fujitsu> gregben: It only installs extra stuff, so no.
[06:55] <bimberi> gregben: no it won't
[06:56] <gregben> fujitsu, bimberi: Thx, I'll go ahead and try it. Bye.
[06:56] <bimberi> gregben: np :)
[07:06] <gregben> Hi. I tried downloading edubuntu desktop via synaptic and it asks for the 6.06LTS CD-ROM which I don't have handy. Any way to just d/l everything from the net?
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> enable the repositories (in one of the menus at the top) and download off them :)
[07:09] <gregben> Kamping_Kaiser: Wow. That did it. Thanks a bunch. :-)
[07:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> np :)
[09:30] <LaserJock> cbx33: hi!
[09:32] <stgraber> !pastebin
[09:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:46] <cbx33> hey LaserJock 
[09:46] <cbx33> sorry got dc'd
[09:53] <cbx33> is it just me or am I laggggyyy
[10:26] <cbx33> am I here?
[10:31] <Burgundavia> cbx33: never
[10:33] <cbx33> Burgundavia: haha
[11:47] <highvoltage> accidental reboots--
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> gday highvoltage 
[11:53] <highvoltage> hi there Kamping_Kaiser 
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[12:50] <cbx33> ey jsgotangco 
[12:50] <jsgotangco> hi
[12:51] <highvoltage> cbx33: for what it's worth, I really like the usplash image in edubuntu
[12:51] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: hmmmm
[12:52] <cbx33> heh thanks highvoltage 
[12:52] <cbx33> did you see the updated comic strip?
[12:53] <highvoltage> nope
[12:53] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: have you done LTSP with KDE before?
[12:53] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yep
[12:53] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/comic
[12:53] <cbx33> see the comic1-edit2 I think
[12:53] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: just a sec...
[12:53] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: is it painful compared to doing it in gnome?
[12:54] <cbx33> is xfce easy?
[12:54] <jsgotangco> pretty much
[12:54] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: here is my memory tests with ltsp and kde from a while back, kde performs slightly better than gnome: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2005-September/000537.html
[12:55] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i wont be surprised, its pretty snappy
[12:56] <cbx33> see i always thought kde was slower than gnome
[12:56] <highvoltage> yep. gnome seemed to scale a bit better.
[12:56] <highvoltage> cbx33: it completely depends on how you use it and what machine you have
[12:56] <cbx33> but live cd's seem to work better with kde
[12:56] <highvoltage> it's a case of ymmv
[12:56] <highvoltage> it does.
[12:56] <jsgotangco> cbx33: it does
[12:57] <cbx33> why is that?
[12:57] <highvoltage> kubuntu installs nicely on a pc with 256MB ram, where ubiquity with gnome just crashes.
[12:57] <highvoltage> cbx33: kde's libraries are more integrated, and uses less ram
[12:57] <jsgotangco> i dunno its probably that kde code is much faster
[12:57] <highvoltage> cbx33: the downside is that their libraries are *so* integrated, that you have to have all or nothing
[12:57] <jsgotangco> its really clean
[12:57] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:57] <highvoltage> cbx33: which is why the kdelibs packages for edubuntu is so large, and we actually just need a small part of it
[12:58] <jsgotangco> its your kall
[12:58] <highvoltage> gnome can be much smaller too. slackware ships with dropline gnome, which is much snappier.
[12:58] <highvoltage> but ubuntu ships with everything and the kitchen sink gnome :)
[12:59] <cbx33> right
[12:59] <cbx33> do we have dropline gnome in the repos?
[12:59] <jsgotangco> i will use kubuntu for a while
[12:59] <highvoltage> cbx33: nope
[01:00] <cbx33> aww...
[01:00] <cbx33> dang it
[01:00] <highvoltage> cbx33: I like the handwriting more :)
[01:01] <highvoltage> cbx33: I think the handwriting just needs to be a bit neater. the problem with the font is that it's roo obviously a font
[01:02] <cbx33> ok
[01:02] <cbx33> i'll brush up on my handwriting
[01:03] <highvoltage> i think you just need to draw the comic once, and then again. your handwriting isn't ugly, it just seems squashed in at some places, and the size differs.
[01:03] <highvoltage> so if you do it once, you know what your space requirements is. perhaps just do a very draft one, and after that draw it nicely and do the text.
[01:03] <cbx33> thanks highvoltage 
[01:04] <jsgotangco> im gonna play some games
[01:04] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:04] <jsgotangco> brb
[01:04] <cbx33> hahah
[01:05] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: the goods are on your way
[01:05] <jsgotangco> muhahha
[01:13] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: kewl :)
[01:13] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: can you send me your postal/physical address too? I'd like to send you some software.
[01:14] <jsgotangco> so pray that the cops won't knock on your door
[01:14] <highvoltage> heh :)
[01:14] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: oh can you seend me Office 2007?
[01:14] <jsgotangco> hehe
[01:15] <cbx33> do not mention the O word in here
[01:15] <jsgotangco> *its soo pretty*
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[01:15] <jsgotangco> heh what movie did i hear that line before
[01:15] <cbx33> findingnemo
[01:16] <jsgotangco> nahh
[01:16] <jsgotangco> a bug's life
[01:16] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: I can send you even better :)
[01:16] <jsgotangco> oohhhh office 2007+vista ultimate
[01:17] <jsgotangco> ok brb
[03:32] <bddebian> Heya
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey :)
[03:35] <ulinskie> hello bddebian
[03:44] <bddebian> Heya Kamping_Kaiser
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[08:00] <mhz> hi all
[08:00] <highvoltage> hey mhz!!!
[08:00] <mhz> hey highvoltage!!!
[08:00] <mhz> i am so happy to see ya
[08:00] <highvoltage> I'm happy to see you back too
[08:00] <mhz> friendly faces are always nice
[08:00] <highvoltage> I noticed you were here last night, just after you left
[08:01] <mhz> back? 
[08:01] <highvoltage> friendly faces? where?
[08:01] <mhz> oh you mean i have been "away" from irc
[08:01] <highvoltage> mhz: just been a while since I saw you online
[08:01] <highvoltage> yes, from irc :)
[08:01] <highvoltage> how are things that side?
[08:01] <mhz> indeed, on-line has been a difficult thing to me
[08:02] <mhz> well, More teachers are aware of edubuntu now :D
[08:02] <mhz> and so, they get to ask questions to email
[08:02] <mhz> but no way they get to ML :(
[08:02] <mhz> nor forums
[08:03] <mhz> since last 3 days, i have been helping this internet cafe to migrate to *Buntu
[08:03] <mhz> BUT....
[08:03] <mhz> gee! always a but!!
[08:03] <mhz> they want a mix solution
[08:03] <highvoltage> as always :/
[08:03] <mhz> Edubuntu and Kubuntu
[08:03] <mhz> edubuntu server for 5 clients + 10 kubuntu standalones
[08:03] <highvoltage> why kubuntu? for the kiosktool?
[08:04] <highvoltage> ah yes, now I remember from your conversation from last night.
[08:04] <mhz> well, because they feel kde is more like win
[08:04] <mhz> please note the 'they feel'
[08:05] <mhz> personally, you know desktop is not something i get concerned about :)
[08:05] <mhz> anyways, that implies i get to worry on how to admin such mix environement
[08:05] <mhz> considering the kubuntu stations will dual boot
[08:05] <mhz> (at least for this early stage of migrations)
[08:06] <mhz> later, we'll see some solution to play win games on the linux side
[08:06] <mhz> cedega, so far, only runs smoothly for Starcraft, nothing else
[08:07] <mhz> Any ideas on how to admin everything from same Edubuntu server?
[08:09] <highvoltage> when the auth stuff happens, that will be much easier.
[08:09] <Burgwork> auth and config are two slightly different issues
[08:10] <highvoltage> NIS might be your easiest option, although there has been a script for easy ldap on the edubuntu lists, I haven't tried it though.
[08:10] <highvoltage> Burgwork: yep.
[08:10] <Burgwork> auth is pretty easy, but a bit of a pain to setup 
[08:10] <Burgwork> I have an openldap server here at work
[08:11] <Burgwork> config is much much harder
[08:12] <mhz> Burgwork: eeek, yeah
[08:13] <mhz> lasttime i trie ldap...i suffered :)
[09:12] <sbalneav> Morning all
[09:18] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav!!!!
[09:19] <highvoltage> sbalneav: there's still a bit that can be removed in rcS.d and rc2.d in the chroot, and I've found that it does speed thing up a bit by parrallelising what's left
[09:35] <Burgwork> highvoltage: have you been playing with upstart?
[09:39] <highvoltage> Burgwork: struggeling more like it :)
[09:40] <highvoltage> Burgwork: strange that you ask, I only started looking at it in more depth today
[09:40] <highvoltage> (after running into some problems with upgrades)
[09:40] <Burgwork> highvoltage: well, your ex-boss does have the lead hacker on hire, so you can probably ask him
[09:41] <highvoltage> I don't want to bother him unnecassarily
[09:42] <highvoltage> although, there's very little documentation on upstart at the moment.
[09:42] <highvoltage> (unless I just haven't been looking hard enough)
[10:17] <shiv> anybody using bibus here
[10:23] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Hey
[10:23] <sbalneav> Are you coming?
[10:24] <sbalneav> UDS?
[10:27] <LaserJock> no :(
[10:27] <sbalneav> Bummer
[10:27] <LaserJock> neither is jerome
[10:28] <sbalneav> Double plus bummer
[10:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:28] <LaserJock> Paris was fun
[10:28] <LaserJock> the Edubuntu Council and LTSP gods
[10:28] <sbalneav> We'll have fun this time.
[10:29] <sbalneav> Stick close to us: with sabdfl saying how important Thin clients are to corporate environments, thin... IS IN!
[10:29] <LaserJock> haha
[10:30] <LaserJock> you know, I was really amazed when I mentioned LTSP at a LUG meeting
[10:30] <LaserJock> lots of people had heard of it and were really excited
[10:30] <LaserJock> not that it's amazing that anybody would like LTSP
[10:30] <LaserJock> but people are really into it
[10:52] <nixternal> LaserJock: there is a guy at one of the LUGs here, actually my prez, floydewilde who is in here every now and then..he setup his entire company's warehouse on Edubuntu and LTSP
[10:52] <nixternal> he loves it
[10:53] <LaserJock> coolio
[10:53] <nixternal> i haven't messed with LTSP yet
[10:53] <nixternal> i don't have enough equipment to play like that
[10:53] <nixternal> actually..can i run a server on a p3 800 just to plya with here?
[11:00] <LaserJock> nixternal: how much ram?
[11:00] <nixternal> 512mb maybe
[11:01] <LaserJock> yeah, it'd probably work fine for testing
[11:01] <nixternal> this is rediculous..i have been doing ubuntu support all day long with 2 people
[11:01] <nixternal> i get them up and running, and point them to docs and everything..but they keep asking me
[11:01] <nixternal> seriously burning me out right now
[11:02] <nixternal> one guy is actually rocking on his own now..the otherguy wants to hold my hand to walk to the corner store i think ;)
[11:02] <ukubuntu> It is such a double edge sword being a teacher, you want to nurture them but you need to make them go on their own as soon as possible
[11:02] <nixternal> he installs dapper yesterday, and now he wants to upgrade to edgy
[11:02] <nixternal> arg?
[11:03] <nixternal> ukubuntu: so true ;)
[11:03] <ukubuntu> parenthood is similar, except you have to keep them for at least 16 years!
[11:03] <nixternal> but i feel bad leaving them to fend for themselves
[11:03] <nixternal> they are like my children
[11:03] <nixternal> ya..hahaha
[11:03] <nixternal> what? 16?  you gotta keep um for 18 in the states
[11:03] <nixternal> ;)
[11:04] <ukubuntu> I have found that there are those who take a nugget of info and that is enough to launch them into space yet another will expect you to be their sys admin for the next 3 years
[11:05] <ukubuntu> Well, they have a right to leave when 16 if they wish, and I am happy to promote that :D
[11:43] <LaserJock> hi ogra 
[11:44] <ogra> hey
[11:46] <LaserJock> I'm trying to get out of the lab so I can head over the hill
[11:47] <Burgwork> LaserJock: always knew you were old ;)
[11:47] <Burgwork> hey ogra
[11:47] <sbalneav> ogra!!!!!!
[11:47] <ogra> heh
[11:47] <sbalneav> Long time no see!!!!
[11:51] <LaserJock> Burgwork: hehe, well I would have said "mountain" but I'm from Montana and can't call anything here a mountain