=== abartlet_ [n=abartlet@dp.samba.org] has joined #ubuntu-directory [12:51] ajmitch: isn't it === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-directory === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-directory === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-directory === lophyte [n=dsulliva@bas5-toronto63-1096731182.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-directory [02:41] ajmitch: should make the relative necessity of hiring a small contingent to work on -directory full-time an easier pitch eh ;) [02:42] sure [02:42] as if that'll happen :) === pressureman [n=pressure@210.48.105.162] has joined #ubuntu-directory === pressureman [n=pressure@210.48.105.162] has left #ubuntu-directory [] === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-directory [03:27] Hey folks [03:28] hello [03:29] So will edubuntu just do there own thing ? [03:29] we'll discuss that next week [03:29] oh at the Ubuntu Summit ? [03:29] yes [03:29] ah [03:34] Using the samba.schema isn't a bad idea. Of course smbldap will be obsolete as soon as Samba 4 is out ,already pointed out I know, but including the schemaby default seems useful. [03:36] well, the transition from samba3 to samba4 schema will be a big thing, no matter how it's done... === romey [n=stever@wsip-68-15-125-140.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory [03:37] yeah, I guess so. But until then, samba3 seems like a nice enough temporary solution. The upgrade might hurt. [03:39] one other interesting approach could be a passdb backend for samba3 that reads the AD-like schema [03:40] uhm, never heard of that one beford [03:40] before === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-directory [03:51] hi wasabi [03:51] hiya [03:52] hello wasabi [03:52] hiya [04:00] nkassi_: directory services are always going to hurt [04:02] I'm living through NT4 with win 2000 to AD with XP right now at work. It quite painful. ( I lost the war, their gui were better then mine) [04:02] But the pain from AD to Linux will feel like love ;0) [04:03] what's so painful about AD? [04:05] It's mostly the amount of work required in cleaning up the old stuff. The file are shared using PC Netlink on a solaris box, lots of permissions are messed up. We just couldn't do a simple upgrade. Plus changing 300 desktop from 2k to XP and making sure all there files are on the san is work [04:06] AD isn't bad. It's just not what I'm used too. [04:09] Plus, I really don't have enough working experience with AD to pass judgment. === romey [n=stever@wsip-68-15-125-140.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-directory [05:53] what happened to termcap-compat ? It's refered to in the FDS install doc for ubuntu/ [05:54] probably another rpm they want you to convert [05:54] hum, no it doesn't seem so. [05:55] http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Howto:DebianUbuntu [05:56] oh it seems to not be part of edgy's universer [05:56] -r [05:57] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/termcap-compat [05:59] I found the .deb but the Fedora folks will have to update their docs [06:00] Of course it depends on libc5 which is also not available. [06:02] oh well no FDS for me I guess. [06:34] nkassi_: I think it's a wiki, so you should be able to update it (with variable amounts of pain to get an account) === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-directory [01:02] morning all === robertj [n=rcaskey@cai17.music.uga.edu] has joined #ubuntu-directory [02:19] morning [02:20] hi lophyte === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@66.244.123.100] has joined #ubuntu-directory [02:47] hiya [02:55] howdy [02:56] So, how bout that Microsoft and Novell deal? [02:58] yeah, really... [02:59] The NYTimes article I read was very vague [02:59] one thing that bothered me was: "As part of the agreement, Microsoft said it would not file patent infringement suits against customers who purchase Novells SuSE Linux." [02:59] yeah [03:00] what happens if they develop this joint technology and Microsoft pulls out of the deal? [03:00] then do they have the right to sue the ass off of Novell? [03:00] or their customers [03:03] I don't believe in Santa Claus anymore. [03:04] So...question is, if Microsoft and Novell jointly integrate their stuff, is it going to be MORE DIFFICULT, at least in the U.S., for Ubuntu to integrate with AD? [03:04] maybe, maybe not [03:04] What, with "patent infringement" being bandied about like some sort of real possibility [03:05] You know what this means for me is that our corporate people are going to want us to start using Novell [03:10] probably [03:11] gr.. I need a VGA male-to-male cable [03:27] That's all we have over here [03:27] (males are the ones with the wires sticking out, right?) [03:29] yep [03:29] Hey, if I [03:30] m subscribed to Planet Ubuntu, is that just an aggregator for other people's blogs (that is, can I just unsubscribe those people I had previously subscribed) [03:31] I think so [03:31] cool === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-directory [04:34] wasabi_: I think that NetworkAuthentication/Server and EasyLDAPServer are basically the same spec [04:36] The EasyLDAPServer page talks about Kerberos, and has stuff about setup and management tools [04:37] Although no specific recommendations for existing tools that could be reused [04:39] Yeah. I suspect they overlap. [04:39] I personally think "EasyLDAP" is a bit of a naive term to throw around though. [04:39] I wasn't fond of it [04:40] It was basically an empty spec that we occupied [04:40] One thing that I was careful to do was emphasise that LDAP ought not be an auth system [04:41] So the page explicits talks about using it in tandem with Kerberos [04:41] Feel free to hack the EasyLDAP spec around to suit your requirements [04:42] I noticed that your client auth spec talked about a Kerberos principal per machine [04:43] Which I guess ties into having a record for each system in "EasyLDAP" [04:44] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyLDAPServer === robertj [n=robertj@66-168-214-78.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-directory [06:22] stelis: My complaint with it is I would be very... maybe embarressed, to release a system which consisted of not much more than creation of a LDAP server. [06:22] This is something, which if we release, could be uptaken by really big shops. [06:22] They're going to expect us to have a schema in place, a supportable methodology to upgrade that schema. [06:24] I agree about the big shops, but I figured that it might seem easier to sell/relate to for Ubuntu folks if I talked about small shops in the use cases [06:26] Also I felt that if it was designed properly the underlying components would scale [06:26] And different interfaces could be provided for different scales of deployment [06:27] Again, the specs for interfaces emphasise the basic stuff that I thought would be more familiar to people [06:28] Talking about federated authentication etc. might just sound like moon language [06:29] But I am absolutely not an expert [06:30] My own grand plans are more about system/host management [06:30] What would like to see/do/implement? [07:00] wasabi_: we need to consider that getting something that works is a first step === em-dash [n=em-dash@63.145.207.195] has joined #ubuntu-directory [08:05] Burgwork: I sort of disagree, expecially when it comes to LDAP. [08:05] Which is something we need to maintain an upgrade path for. [08:05] Something which tends to be hard, with LDAP. [08:06] Y know, if we choose one schema, and it sucks, and doesn't take some stuff into account, and people deploy it... then we have to upgrade schema. [08:06] So, big scripts for schema migration, hacks made so old clients work with new schema versions. [08:06] It can get messy [08:07] this is very common [08:07] I want to sit down and really think hard about it before commiting to anything. [08:07] yep [08:07] MS did a very good job at it, and it took them 4 years. [08:08] however, be aware that ogra is going to roll something out for Feisty for Edubuntu [08:08] And way more man power than we have. ;) [08:08] come hell or high water [08:08] Yeah. I want to think about that though. Even it means commiting to one server, no replication, and an unsupported or complex upgrade path. [08:08] I want everybody to have in mind what we will have to maintain. [08:08] And it not to be a suprise. [08:08] talk with ogra at MTV [08:08] he has a plan [08:09] MS of course unleashed the entire thing, after 4 years. Cross realm auth, forests, mutlimaster repl, replicated schema updates. [08:09] schema locks, etc. [08:09] With the entire thing well planned out. [08:10] We can start smalll, but I don't want adding one of those to screw up everybodies install. =/ === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-directory [] === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-directory [08:56] Ya'll have a great weekend [08:56] ciao! === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-directory === orion_76520 [n=gaylord@mer76-1-82-235-196-94.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory === orion_76520 [n=gaylord@mer76-1-82-235-196-94.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-directory ["Kopete] === robertj_ [n=robertj@68-117-223-205.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-directory === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@adsl-68-251-147-250.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory [12:01] Anyone alive?