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| LaserJock | oh man | 01:13 |
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| zul | hmm? | 01:13 |
| ajmitch | hey LaserJock | 01:13 |
| LaserJock | you know how my department server went down | 01:13 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 01:13 |
| zul | its an on going saga but yes :) | 01:14 |
| LaserJock | I just got an email that they are discontinuing our accounts | 01:14 |
| zul | ouch. | 01:14 |
| ajmitch | nasty | 01:14 |
| LaserJock | we have to migrate our mail ASAP | 01:14 |
| Burgwork | discounting your accounts? are they insane? | 01:15 |
| LaserJock | well, the server fried | 01:15 |
| LaserJock | and they don't want to pay for maintenance | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | it's not a biggie for most people | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | but I get 99% of my email forwarded or directly there | 01:16 |
| TheMuso | Ouch. | 01:19 |
| LaserJock | wahoo, got my MOTU Science scripts spiffed up and ready to go for feisty | 01:23 |
| zul | spiffy | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | wonderful! | 01:24 |
| LaserJock | http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/scripts/ | 01:24 |
| LaserJock | I'm not that great with shell script yet | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: why isn't that a bzr branch? | 01:25 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: cause I never really thought of it | 01:26 |
| ajmitch | makes it easier even for personal use | 01:26 |
| ajmitch | I've even stuck my pbuilder configs in bzr | 01:26 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I probably should | 01:26 |
| ajmitch | since they're long & have a few extra features | 01:26 |
| LaserJock | anyway, so we have Debian/Ubuntu lists | 01:29 |
| LaserJock | and a bug list | 01:29 |
| LaserJock | which is nice | 01:29 |
| chillywilly | hey guys | 01:29 |
| LaserJock | hopefully I can use some of the same stuff to work on MOTU task lists | 01:30 |
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| luisbg_zZzZZzZz | quick question... for a package to be accepted in motu... besides being well package? has the software need to be useful... or apps in a pre-beta fase are accepted? | 01:46 |
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| luisbg | I ment universe | 01:50 |
| lifeless | luisbg: pretty much anything open source is ok, regardless of status | 01:51 |
| luisbg | lifeless, nice =), trying to make a package of this friend's project | 01:52 |
| luisbg | well... gotta go sleep, goodnight all | 01:52 |
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| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 02:11 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 02:11 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock! | 02:11 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu! | 02:11 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: I worked a lot on the MOTU Science scripts today | 02:12 |
| Fujitsu | What do they do now? | 02:13 |
| LaserJock | well, I just cleaned them up | 02:13 |
| LaserJock | and got it so they can be automated ( cronjob or something) | 02:13 |
| LaserJock | http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/scripts/ | 02:14 |
| LaserJock | and I put the scripts up ^^ | 02:14 |
| Fujitsu | Aha. | 02:14 |
| === Fujitsu looks. | ||
| LaserJock | we need to get lucas to update mdt | 02:15 |
| Fujitsu | What about it needs updating? | 02:15 |
| LaserJock | well, your patch for outdatedbutlocal | 02:16 |
| LaserJock | and cleanup of some urls | 02:16 |
| LaserJock | also he's missing a couple deps | 02:17 |
| Fujitsu | The best idea is for someone to create a branch of it, and push it to somewhere public. | 02:17 |
| Fujitsu | That someone could be me :P | 02:18 |
| LaserJock | well, I also need to put these scripts in a bzr repo | 02:19 |
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| ajmitch | Fujitsu: so do it | 02:20 |
| === Fujitsu applies the versions2html patch to his local branch. | ||
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: What URL cleanup is necessary? | 02:20 |
| LaserJock | changelogs.ubuntu.com | 02:21 |
| LaserJock | instead of packages.ubuntu.com | 02:21 |
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| Fujitsu | My copy here already uses changelogs.ubuntu.com... | 02:24 |
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| Fujitsu | You must be running an old copy, LaserJock. | 02:24 |
| LaserJock | well, that's what I was wondering | 02:25 |
| LaserJock | I grabbed a fresh branch | 02:25 |
| LaserJock | I thought | 02:25 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: where'd you get yours? | 02:25 |
| === Mez -> bed | ||
| Fujitsu | Pulled from http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/multidistrotools/ | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | :/ | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | I did the same thing | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | but your patch didn't apply cleanly | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | maybe something's wrong with my branch | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | if we can get it updated on tiber I can run everything off of there | 02:27 |
| Fujitsu | My patch didn't apply cleanly on my local copy either :S | 02:28 |
| Fujitsu | Hunk 1 failed, as it was missing the merge link. | 02:28 |
| Fujitsu | I must have made it from an old copy on another box. | 02:28 |
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| Fujitsu | My MDT testing seems to be hanging somewhere here :/ | 02:40 |
| === minghua wonders if people have discussed that gnewsense business here | ||
| ajmitch | nope | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | what gnewsense? | 02:42 |
| Fujitsu | What about it? | 02:42 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: ubuntu without the nasty proprietary bits, blessed by the FSF | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | oh | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | gnubuntu | 02:43 |
| minghua | I am just curious if it's a one-man business, but used by FSF to prove a point | 02:43 |
| minghua | hmm, s/prove/try to prove/ | 02:44 |
| ajmitch | minghua: 2-man, at least :) | 02:44 |
| LaserJock | well, I wouldn't think it'd be hard | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | isn't it Ubuntu - Restricted - Multiverse? | 02:45 |
| minghua | LaserJock: kernel firmware | 02:45 |
| ajmitch | and launchpad-free | 02:46 |
| === Fujitsu defects to them. | ||
| LaserJock | hah | 02:47 |
| zul | meh... | 02:48 |
| ajmitch | bye Fujitsu | 02:49 |
| minghua | "in its first release, gNewSense has ... made emacs, ... part of the default install." | 02:52 |
| minghua | Boo | 02:52 |
| === ajmitch waits for a hurd-based derivative | ||
| Fujitsu | ... emacs... Yucky. | 02:53 |
| TheMuso | I'm enclined to agree. | 02:53 |
| LaserJock | wahoo for emacs | 02:54 |
| Fujitsu | OH, I know why mdt took so long. | 02:54 |
| Fujitsu | I forgot to filter the package lists... >_> | 02:54 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Have you managed to get a proper branch of mdt yet? | 02:55 |
| LaserJock | what do you mean? | 02:56 |
| zul | must stop reading forums.. | 02:56 |
| Fujitsu | You said your current one used packages.ubuntu.com rather than changelogs.ubuntu.com... | 02:56 |
| LaserJock | oh | 02:56 |
| LaserJock | well no, I didn't fix that yet | 02:56 |
| LaserJock | I have a ton of stuff to do today | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | but I did fix his deps | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | and applied your patch - that 1 hunk | 02:57 |
| minghua | Fujitsu, LaserJock: is there a new url with updated version comparison list I can link from the wiki? | 02:57 |
| minghua | Fujitsu, LaserJock: (I think both of you have seen the reply to my mail on -science) | 02:58 |
| Fujitsu | minghua: I haven't seen one, I don't think. | 02:58 |
| minghua | huh. | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | i did | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | minghua: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/feisty/all.html | 03:00 |
| minghua | LaserJock: thanks | 03:01 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: That's a really strange MDT you have there. | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: why? | 03:02 |
| Fujitsu | It says `MoM' instead of `Merges', and uses p.u.c... | 03:03 |
| Fujitsu | *Merge | 03:03 |
| LaserJock | I'm branching again | 03:04 |
| imbrandon | moins all | 03:05 |
| minghua | hi imbrandon | 03:05 |
| Fujitsu | Hey imbrandon. | 03:06 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, nice script | 03:06 |
| zul | evening imbrandon | 03:06 |
| imbrandon | heya zul | 03:06 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Is your cron job now using an updated copy of the package lists? | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | hi imbrandon | 03:07 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, mind if i use that script for a diffrent set of packages ? | 03:07 |
| minghua | some people should package that script :-) | 03:07 |
| LaserJock | well | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | mdt is kinda packaged | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: what package lists? | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: of course you can, but it's probably crap anyway so use at your own risk ;-) | 03:08 |
| imbrandon | hehe where is it at ? on tiber ? | 03:09 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Lists of packages in science/electronics/math. | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: those are generated by the scripts | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/scripts/ | 03:09 |
| imbrandon | i would like to run this for our KDE stuff | 03:10 |
| imbrandon | kk | 03:10 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, ok what one do i edit for the package list | 03:12 |
| imbrandon | i have them copied to my home dir :) | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | generate.bash is the important one | 03:13 |
| minghua | heard from #gnewsense: the splash screen of xdm still says Debian in the ubuntu package, and therefore also says Debian in gnewsense package :-) | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: do you have an updated patch? | 03:16 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, so i need to make a $HOME/.multidistrotools ? | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: you need to install multidistrotools | 03:16 |
| imbrandon | i'm doing this on tiber also | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | oh | 03:16 |
| imbrandon | so its probably installed | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | then you're all good I think | 03:16 |
| imbrandon | i just want to use diffrent package list | 03:16 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Yes, it has an extra thing as well. I'll upload it somewhere. | 03:17 |
| Yagisan | anyone here familiar with sdl threads ? and has a spare minute | 03:17 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/outdatedandlocal.diff | 03:18 |
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| LaserJock | Fujitsu: ok reload http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/feisty/ | 03:29 |
| Fujitsu | Well, it seems to work. | 03:30 |
| Fujitsu | `Generated using MultiDistroTools on Thu Nov 02 23:47:00 UTC 2006' | 03:31 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 03:31 |
| Fujitsu | Just all.html hasn't been updated recently. | 03:31 |
| LaserJock | you sure | 03:32 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, 'twas a proxy doing something stupid. | 03:32 |
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| Fujitsu | I /was/ reconfiguring its caching settings at the time, which might have done it. | 03:32 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, ok why am i getting http://tiber.tauware.de/~brandon/all.html | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | because the mdt on tiber doesn't have Fujitsu's patch | 03:39 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 03:39 |
| Fujitsu | If it doesn't have my patch, then why's it generating that state in the first place? | 03:39 |
| imbrandon | so your just uploading from localy ? | 03:39 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I am for now | 03:40 |
| === imbrandon tars up his script dir | ||
| imbrandon | is the patch in edgy ? | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | mdt isn't even in edgy | 03:40 |
| imbrandon | oh wow | 03:41 |
| imbrandon | heh | 03:41 |
| imbrandon | sid ? | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | no | 03:41 |
| Fujitsu | No, nothing. | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | there is no package | 03:41 |
| imbrandon | ok i give up how can i get this working localy then hehe | 03:41 |
| imbrandon | ( or better yet on my webserver ) | 03:42 |
| imbrandon | mdt is bzr or svn or something ? | 03:42 |
| imbrandon | or Fujitsu you have a working copy for me ? | 03:42 |
| Fujitsu | It's in bzr, see MultiDistroTools on the wiki, then grab my patch from.. | 03:42 |
| Fujitsu | http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/outdatedandlocal.diff | 03:42 |
| Fujitsu | (and apply it) | 03:43 |
| imbrandon | k | 03:43 |
| LaserJock | I've got it at http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/multidistrotools/ | 03:45 |
| LaserJock | with dep changes and Fujitsu's patch | 03:45 |
| imbrandon | k | 03:46 |
| imbrandon | hrm i should be able to install this on my webserver too without making a deb later | 03:49 |
| imbrandon | looks like its just some ruby and bash scripts | 03:49 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: Correct, which means it's horrifically slow. | 03:49 |
| imbrandon | ok LaserJockif anyone else askes i tar'd up your script and made a deb ( plus src ) at http://tiber.tauware.de/~brandon/mdt/ | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | ( with a touched misc in the tar ) | 03:55 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, ^^ ( and it has your patch ) | 03:56 |
| === imbrandon sets out to make some KDE ones now | ||
| imbrandon | man i wish the politicians would stop calling | 03:58 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29955/ are those ruby errors normal ? | 04:01 |
| bmonty | when telemarketers call me I sent them to an asterisk extension that plays the monkeys screaming sound that comes with asterisk :) | 04:09 |
| imbrandon | lol | 04:09 |
| TheMuso | hahaha | 04:10 |
| TheMuso | Whats the state of play concerning packaging FireFox extensions? | 04:10 |
| imbrandon | hrm not sure, i dont use any | 04:10 |
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| imbrandon | ? | 04:21 |
| TheMuso | riiiiight. | 04:21 |
| ajmitch | someone being silly in multiple channels | 04:22 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, we have .debs! :-) http://upstreamdev.org/wiki/Releases/0.1.0 | 04:24 |
| imbrandon | lastnode, rockin | 04:24 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: not sure | 04:24 |
| LaserJock | I don't get those error | 04:24 |
| LaserJock | sorry, I had to blow out the sprinkler system | 04:24 |
| imbrandon | i only got them on the first run | 04:24 |
| imbrandon | so no biggie | 04:25 |
| imbrandon | i think there is some flaw in its logic though LaserJock / Fujitsu | 04:26 |
| imbrandon | look at amarok | 04:26 |
| imbrandon | http://federation.imbrandon.com/feisty/html/all.html | 04:26 |
| Fujitsu | You mean ignoring epochs? | 04:27 |
| imbrandon | no i mean it says 1.4.4-0.1 is smaller than 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10 | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | i guess it is | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | becouse of the epoch | 04:28 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, so it's right. | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | yea if it would ignore the epochs would be best | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | why? | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, why what ? | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | so you can merge it? | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | why ignore epochs? | 04:29 |
| === ajmitch wonders why the ubuntu package has an epoch anyway | ||
| imbrandon | becosue the report is saying debian is smaller than the ubuntu version but its really not | 04:29 |
| imbrandon | someone probably botched an upload | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | if it has an epoch it is | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | it uses the same logic apt does | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | that's because someone was silly enough to add an epoch, so the debian version will be smaller | 04:30 |
| imbrandon | yup and really not a way to un-epoch it | 04:30 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | no way at all | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | that's why they should only be added when *really* needed | 04:31 |
| imbrandon | yea | 04:32 |
| Fujitsu | It first appeared when a new upstream of 1.4.1 was uploaded, I wonder why... | 04:32 |
| === ajmitch looks at who to blame | ||
| Fujitsu | What's the use of epochs in the first place? | 04:32 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: Ri*ddel | 04:32 |
| lifeless | epochs are a way to 'uncommit' | 04:32 |
| imbrandon | 1.4.1 would have ben Riddell | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok | 04:33 |
| lifeless | if you think of the package as a series of commits to a vcs ;) | 04:33 |
| Fujitsu | lifeless: Like, reverting to a previous upstream version? | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | epoch was added long before 1.4.1 | 04:33 |
| lifeless | yah | 04:33 |
| Fujitsu | amarok (2:1.4.1-0ubuntu1) edgy; urgency=low | 04:33 |
| Fujitsu | amarok (1.4.0a-1) unstable; urgency=low | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | the changelog may have been cut | 04:34 |
| lifeless | its just a way of saying 'a < b' when the upstream version part of a and b has a > b | 04:34 |
| Fujitsu | They are consecutive versions in the changelog... | 04:34 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, true. | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | or merged | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | look lower | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | yea they wouldent have started with 2: | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | likely | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | lifeless, yea but it sucks when ubuntu has it but debian dosent | 04:35 |
| lifeless | imbrandon: naturally | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | amarok (2:1.2.3-1ubuntu1) hoary; urgency=low | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | * Sync with Debian | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | -- Jonathan Riddell <jr@jriddell.org> Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:25:27 +0000 | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | yeah, so it was riddell, much earlier | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | 1.2 wow | 04:35 |
| lifeless | the realy defect is that we consider the human version identier as a pun on the machine version marker | 04:36 |
| ajmitch | assuming that was the first upload with an epoch | 04:36 |
| lifeless | its really close to what tla did. | 04:36 |
| ajmitch | which I doubt | 04:36 |
| imbrandon | lifeless, huh ? | 04:36 |
| imbrandon | i totaly missed the point on that last statement hehe | 04:36 |
| imbrandon | hrm there really should be a way to undo an epoc to get back in sync | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | ( version wise ) | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | there isn't | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | nothing trumps an epoch | 04:38 |
| Fujitsu | Except a higher epoch, which may occur in the next couple of decades. | 04:38 |
| imbrandon | lol | 04:38 |
| imbrandon | Same version in Debian and Ubuntu : 0 packages <--- thats sad | 04:39 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, there are no dapper packages yet, but im assuming you're running edgy :P | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | ok can someone explain the debian gwenview versioning thinking to me ? | 04:41 |
| imbrandon | feisty but yea | 04:41 |
| imbrandon | :) | 04:41 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, heh, post python transition, then cool :-) | 04:41 |
| imbrandon | gwenview 1.4.0~debian.1-1 1.4.0-0ubuntu2 | 04:44 |
| imbrandon | wtf is that | 04:44 |
| Fujitsu | Is that two seperate version numbers/ | 04:44 |
| Fujitsu | *? | 04:44 |
| imbrandon | yes | 04:44 |
| imbrandon | debian ubuntu | 04:45 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 04:45 |
| Fujitsu | They're deranged. | 04:45 |
| imbrandon | man | 04:45 |
| imbrandon | why cant people stick to the normal way of versioning | 04:45 |
| Fujitsu | It looks like it's a special Debian upstream version. :S | 04:45 |
| imbrandon | it looks like they ripped the ubuntu version becouse we p[ackaged it first and put ~debian screwing things up | 04:46 |
| imbrandon | instead of 1.4.0-1.1 like it should have been | 04:47 |
| minghua | so is gwenview 1.4.0 released or not? | 04:47 |
| Fujitsu | 1.4.0-1, you mean? | 04:47 |
| minghua | if yes, then the debian version number is weird | 04:47 |
| imbrandon | err yea | 04:47 |
| Fujitsu | Any idea what difference is there between the two upstream tarballs, imbrandon? | 04:47 |
| minghua | if not, the ubuntu version number is wrong | 04:47 |
| imbrandon | minghua, yes its released many weeks ago | 04:47 |
| imbrandon | minghua, even if it wasent released the debian version would be wrong | 04:48 |
| minghua | imbrandon: why? | 04:48 |
| imbrandon | it would be 1.3.9xxxxxxxx | 04:48 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: No, the new standard would be 1.4.0~fsdfsdfsdfklsdjflsdkfjlsdf | 04:49 |
| Fujitsu | (where that is arbitrary text) | 04:49 |
| minghua | imbrandon: maybe it's a cvs/svn snapshot | 04:49 |
| imbrandon | standard for what ? beta , rc ? its not labled that way | 04:49 |
| imbrandon | minghua, there is no ~svn2006xxxx | 04:50 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: Then 1.4.0~YYYYMMDD, or 1.4.0~rXX | 04:50 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, exactly | 04:50 |
| imbrandon | not ~debian | 04:50 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah. | 04:50 |
| minghua | + Upstream now splits the translations out into their own tarball. | 04:50 |
| minghua | This is by no means a bad thing, but to avoid having a package stuck | 04:50 |
| minghua | in NEW this close to a release, I'm gluing them back in for the | 04:50 |
| minghua | moment. Once a releasable package is in Etch, I'll adopt upstream's | 04:50 |
| minghua | practices. Hence the wacky package version. | 04:50 |
| Jozo- | 1.4.0-1 is in experimental | 04:50 |
| Fujitsu | Aha. | 04:50 |
| minghua | the debian maintainer has a perfect reason | 04:50 |
| Fujitsu | Thankyou minghua. | 04:50 |
| Fujitsu | Normally you wouldn't use ~ for that sort of thing, but this is a very special case, so it's suitable. | 04:51 |
| crimsun | sheesh, > 70k bugs already | 04:51 |
| imbrandon | man | 04:51 |
| minghua | he wants to repackage the source, and he also want it to be < 1.4.0 -- as I said, a perfect reason | 04:51 |
| imbrandon | imho 1.4.0-1~debian would have been saner but i'm not the DD | 04:53 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: No. | 04:53 |
| minghua | you want either ~debian1 or ~debian.1 | 04:53 |
| imbrandon | yes 1.4.0-1 > 1.4.0-1~debian | 04:53 |
| imbrandon | or yes 1.4.0-1 > 1.4.0-1~debian.1 | 04:54 |
| Fujitsu | The ~XXX has to go before the hyphen. | 04:54 |
| imbrandon | or yes 1.4.0-1 > 1.4.0-1~debian1 | 04:54 |
| minghua | ah, I misread imbrandon | 04:54 |
| minghua | imbrandon: the source tarball version need to be different | 04:54 |
| Fujitsu | minghua: precisely. | 04:54 |
| minghua | you have xxx-1.4.0~debian.1.orig.tar.gz in this case | 04:54 |
| minghua | and you can safely upgrade to xxx-1.4.0.orig.tar.gz | 04:55 |
| imbrandon | _ not - , but yea | 04:55 |
| imbrandon | i see | 04:55 |
| minghua | yeah, _ | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | arggg, FORTRAN | 04:56 |
| imbrandon | either way an new orig.tar.gz has to be uploaded so i really see no diffeence though | 04:56 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: What is? | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | I've got to figure out how to use this fortran data fitting program tonight | 04:56 |
| minghua | imbrandon: you want the xxx_1.4.0.orig.tar.gz to be the same one as the upstream one, the *debian*.orig.tar.gz to be repacked one, not vice versa | 04:57 |
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| imbrandon | true | 04:59 |
| imbrandon | hrm looks like glibc hit feisty today, maybe it will open soon | 04:59 |
| ajmitch | hopefully today or so | 05:00 |
| Fujitsu | Sounds good. | 05:00 |
| === minghua still hasn't found time to install edgy yet :-( | ||
| milc | hehe | 05:02 |
| milc | i can't wait for feisty | 05:02 |
| imbrandon | milc, 6 months :) | 05:02 |
| milc | imbrandon, don't remind me! ;D | 05:03 |
| milc | I hope all sabdfl has been talkin about in his blog gets put together | 05:03 |
| milc | pretty pretty pretty | 05:04 |
| === ajmitch shudders | ||
| imbrandon | pretty < stable / working | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | we need to get things stable first, edgy hasn't got a good reputation now | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | so many bugs.. | 05:07 |
| imbrandon | exactly | 05:07 |
| milc | i didn't mean unstable | 05:08 |
| crimsun | but pretty ponies > bugs! | 05:08 |
| Fujitsu | milc: Pretty often implies unstable. | 05:08 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, ehehe | 05:08 |
| Fujitsu | Especially when there are Beryls involved. | 05:08 |
| milc | heh, right now it means unstable, but it shouldn't | 05:09 |
| minghua | saying it shouldn't doesn't help though | 05:09 |
| milc | i by no means implied it did | 05:10 |
| imbrandon | milc, no it really always has if you think about it , pretty is always considered the newest untested code, e.g. beryl, once beryl becomes stable it will be old hat and something else will be "pretty" | 05:10 |
| milc | hmm, that's an interesting way of viewing things | 05:10 |
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| milc | I don't in general see it that way, but your point is valid | 05:11 |
| milc | Well, I'll rephrase, I hope we get some pretty stability! :D | 05:11 |
| imbrandon | stable bling, heh is that an oxymoron ? | 05:12 |
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| milc | I hope one day it isn't. Then again I'm easy to please as far as bling goes, i find edgy gorgeous... | 05:13 |
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| milc | but not in snazzy graphic effects like xgl+compiz or anything like that, just pretty in general | 05:13 |
| tritium | but buggy, nonetheless | 05:13 |
| imbrandon | yea pretty slow and unstable :) | 05:13 |
| milc | I haven't really experienced any bugs since just before the release | 05:14 |
| milc | but i hear there are lots | 05:14 |
| ajmitch | how could you say such a thing, imbrandon? ;) | 05:14 |
| imbrandon | heh | 05:14 |
| tritium | milc: I have | 05:14 |
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| imbrandon | once i can run it on my i810 with a 2.9ghz celeron and 1.5 gig ram at the same speeds as i currently have with kwin I'll advocate it for default | 05:15 |
| imbrandon | but i dont think that day is soon | 05:15 |
| crimsun | it's coming next week! | 05:16 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: I heard it was tomorrow! | 05:16 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: we believe you | 05:16 |
| imbrandon | heh | 05:16 |
| ajmitch | really | 05:16 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, how was it on you x86 ? | 05:18 |
| imbrandon | your* | 05:18 |
| milc | runs fine on my x86, I'm actually pleased with gnome on here | 05:20 |
| milc | but i'm easy to please | 05:21 |
| imbrandon | its pretty unbearably slow for day to day use on here with gnome or kde | 05:21 |
| imbrandon | and i dont have *that* slow of a computer | 05:22 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: not too slow with nearly everything turned off | 05:22 |
| imbrandon | heh | 05:22 |
| imbrandon | i dident try to turn most of it off | 05:22 |
| ajmitch | animations were the worst | 05:22 |
| milc | imbrandon, wow, that stinks, mine is a 1.5 GHz pentium M with 512 MB RAM | 05:23 |
| crimsun | I'm happy enough with simple transparency | 05:23 |
| imbrandon | all i want is tranparency , wobbly windows, and the cube | 05:23 |
| imbrandon | everything else can go | 05:23 |
| Fujitsu | All I want is screen :P | 05:23 |
| imbrandon | lol | 05:23 |
| milc | lol | 05:24 |
| imbrandon | brb food | 05:24 |
| tritium | wobbly windows make me dizzy | 05:24 |
| tritium | I'd settle for evolution giving me appointment alarms | 05:24 |
| milc | hehe | 05:25 |
| milc | wobbly windows get really annoying imo | 05:25 |
| milc | when you wanna line everything up they're always wobblin | 05:25 |
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| milc | it's like trying to line up a bunch of 5 year olds | 05:25 |
| imbrandon | wonder how many universe packages will be affected by that kernel change | 05:34 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: We should be able to find out fairly quickly. | 05:35 |
| imbrandon | well i mean the split in linux/if_*.h | 05:37 |
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| imbrandon | my guess is there isnt many universe packages that depends on that but i could be wrong | 05:37 |
| Fujitsu | I meant that as well. | 05:37 |
| imbrandon | yea just makin sure you dident think i meant just a new version :) | 05:38 |
| _MMA_ | I wonder if theres gonna be any girls there? :) | 05:43 |
| _MMA_ | Or just a buncha geeky white guys. :) | 05:43 |
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| _MMA_ | Crap.Im a tard. :_) | 05:43 |
| crimsun | there will be women, there, of course | 05:44 |
| crimsun | a number of community people, like yourself | 05:44 |
| crimsun | some canonical staff | 05:44 |
| crimsun | some developers | 05:44 |
| _MMA_ | I was talkin with Joe. I just have a picture in my head. :) | 05:45 |
| lastnode | crimsun, you're missing from #upstream! and we just rolled out .debs too :P | 05:45 |
| ajmitch | _MMA_: what a question to ask... | 05:46 |
| joejaxx | me being there should be interesting | 05:46 |
| joejaxx | lol | 05:46 |
| _MMA_ | ajmitch: Why because I like some scenery? | 05:46 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, wow it does take a nice little while to run though a large set of packages | 05:47 |
| ajmitch | because you sound like a sad, desperate geek :) | 05:47 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: Yeah. | 05:47 |
| ajmitch | & 'scenery'? | 05:47 |
| imbrandon | _MMA_, yea considering thats not really approperate for a developers summit | 05:47 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 05:47 |
| _MMA_ | HA! No. Im a married one who like to get in fights. :) | 05:47 |
| joejaxx | LOl | 05:48 |
| crimsun | I can just see Hobbsee with her pointy stick of doom. | 05:49 |
| joejaxx | hobbsee is going to be there? | 05:49 |
| === joejaxx celebrates lol | ||
| crimsun | if so, you're in trouble | 05:49 |
| joejaxx | lol | 05:50 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx, no hobbsee wont be there this time | 05:50 |
| _MMA_ | imbrandon: Just because your there for the summit doesnt mean it has to be all stuffy and business. | 05:50 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: :( | 05:50 |
| joejaxx | that is unfortunate | 05:50 |
| _MMA_ | I know what Im there for. Im still gonna have a good time. | 05:51 |
| imbrandon | _MMA_, very true , but i doubt picking up on woman is one of my "secondary" goals either | 05:51 |
| crimsun | I've got all my hot chicks in /media/usbdisk/.../kernels/dapper/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c anyhow. | 05:51 |
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| _MMA_ | Oh No. I didnt say anything about "picking up on woman". I just would like it if all I have to look at is a bunch of geeky white guys. :) | 05:52 |
| _MMA_ | imbrandon: Especially in your current situation. | 05:52 |
| imbrandon | i'm green , does that count ? | 05:52 |
| _MMA_ | If you were a girl, then call me James T Kirk. | 05:53 |
| crimsun | green from using beryl or green from what beryl causes? | 05:53 |
| _MMA_ | Geeky enough for ya? | 05:53 |
| imbrandon | the latter crimsun heh | 05:53 |
| _MMA_ | HA! I missed the spelling above. :) | 05:56 |
| _MMA_ | *wouldnt | 05:57 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, rockin , got it working | 06:02 |
| imbrandon | now just to tweak it a bit | 06:02 |
| imbrandon | http://federation.imbrandon.com/feisty/html/all.html | 06:02 |
| imbrandon | more than 100 not in debian , wow | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: cool | 06:03 |
| Fujitsu | Aha! | 06:03 |
| Fujitsu | VMWare works a lot better when I turn CPU frequency scaling off. | 06:03 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: 135 is quite impressive. | 06:04 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, in vmware or the host ? | 06:04 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: Host. | 06:04 |
| minghua | imbrandon: that can't be right... I am sure debian has those l10n kde packages... | 06:04 |
| === imbrandon looks | ||
| minghua | I think I see | 06:06 |
| imbrandon | ugh wtf | 06:06 |
| minghua | imbrandon: are kde-i18n-xx separate source packages in ubuntu? | 06:06 |
| imbrandon | i dont think so | 06:06 |
| imbrandon | might be | 06:06 |
| imbrandon | /dev/sdb1 60G 60G 0 100% /media/devel | 06:07 |
| imbrandon | ;( | 06:07 |
| imbrandon | something ate my drive up overnight | 06:07 |
| crimsun | it starts with a 'p' and ends with an 'r' | 06:07 |
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| minghua | in debian all kde-i18n-xx stuff are built from source package kde-i18n, just FYI | 06:08 |
| imbrandon | probably but the only thing thats on a cron is pbuilder-<dist> update | 06:08 |
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| imbrandon | ugh somethings not right | 06:15 |
| === Fujitsu points at imbrandon. | ||
| crimsun | well, don't put my pony in /media/devel kthx | 06:16 |
| === joejaxx points at Fujitsu | ||
| crimsun | of course you'll run out of disk space | 06:16 |
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| Fujitsu | :O | 06:16 |
| === Fujitsu steals crimsun's pony. | ||
| crimsun | bah | 06:16 |
| imbrandon | wellt he only thing thats on /media/devel is my pbuilders | 06:16 |
| === Fujitsu rides crimsun's pony away from the scene of the crime. | ||
| crimsun | check the apt cache | 06:16 |
| joejaxx | lol | 06:16 |
| imbrandon | but /media/deve/sid is reporting a size of 70GB+ when the partition is only 60gb | 06:17 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: That's very good of it. | 06:17 |
| minghua | sparse files | 06:17 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: mounted stuff? | 06:17 |
| Fujitsu | Or sparse files. | 06:17 |
| imbrandon | holy fskin hell | 06:19 |
| imbrandon | i found out why | 06:19 |
| imbrandon | *groans* well i know the reason , but not why | 06:20 |
| crimsun | like I said, if you had just shipped bddebian's pony to me instead of holding it hostage... | 06:20 |
| imbrandon | hahah | 06:20 |
| imbrandon | http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss115.png , about 5 screens of that | 06:21 |
| crimsun | hah | 06:21 |
| Fujitsu | HAHAH. | 06:21 |
| Fujitsu | Very good. | 06:21 |
| imbrandon | heh yea | 06:22 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: impressive | 06:22 |
| imbrandon | time for a reboot and to check my cron, i bet its becouse of the cronjob i set but i dunno why | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | what is that? | 06:22 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, thats from the mount command | 06:22 |
| imbrandon | all those /proc shouldent still be mounted | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | oh geeze | 06:22 |
| imbrandon | and pts | 06:23 |
| crimsun | I wasn't far from the truth of it. | 06:23 |
| crimsun | :) | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | well i have .... | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | 0 * * * * brandon pbuilder-edgy update | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | 0 * * * * brandon pbuilder-sid update | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | 0 * * * * brandon pbuilder-dapper update | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | 0 * * * * brandon pbuilder-feisty update | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | in cron | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | but i guess thats not a good idea | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | why would that do that? | 06:24 |
| minghua | I see unmounted sys and proc fs by pbuilder too | 06:24 |
| imbrandon | no idea | 06:24 |
| minghua | but not often | 06:24 |
| imbrandon | minghua, yea but i have about 100+ of them | 06:24 |
| imbrandon | not good | 06:25 |
| crimsun | if pbuilder's interrupted, they won't be umounted. | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | i havent rebooted in 2 weeks anyhow , bout time for a clean boot | 06:25 |
| crimsun | I've gotten that precise symptom before | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I don't use cron for anything :/ | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | heh i use cron for a ton of stuff | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | its the one thing i miss when i'm on windows | 06:26 |
| minghua | it's still hard to believe just unmounted proc can eat up 60G harddrive, though | 06:26 |
| crimsun | LaserJock doesn't even know what he's missing with launchd ;) | 06:26 |
| imbrandon | thankfully i'm not on windows long enough to use cron | 06:26 |
| Fujitsu | I miss screen (and a reasonable CLI) when I'm on Windows. | 06:26 |
| minghua | (at least hard for me) | 06:26 |
| imbrandon | yea launchd is great on OSX | 06:26 |
| minghua | I miss the possibility to use "LC_CTYPE=XX program" to change locale | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | heh i only speak fluent english ( barely ) so i never use that | 06:27 |
| crimsun | I speek irc reel gud. | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | :) | 06:28 |
| imbrandon | ok well time for a reboot, back in a sec | 06:28 |
| Fujitsu | u du crimsun? i du 2! | 06:31 |
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| Fujitsu | Eek. | 06:32 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: behave :) | 06:32 |
| === Fujitsu hides behind crimsun's pony. | ||
| Fujitsu | You won't harm the poor cute little pony! | 06:33 |
| Fujitsu | Sorry: | 06:33 |
| ajmitch | yes I will | 06:33 |
| Fujitsu | u wont hrm the pur cute ltle pny. | 06:33 |
| ajmitch | hm | 06:33 |
| Fujitsu | Damnit, I left a couple of vowels in there. | 06:33 |
| ajmitch | should I kick or remove? | 06:33 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: But think of the poor pony! | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | darn it, I hate my advisor's programming | 06:34 |
| === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o ajmitch] by ajmitch | ||
| LaserJock | no comments | 06:34 |
| === ajmitch hates ponies | ||
| crimsun | "the source is documentation enough!" | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | insists on running things by putting some cryptic sequence of numbers and "/" to tell the thing to run | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | I have no idea how to make this program run | 06:35 |
| Fujitsu | It's Fortran? | 06:36 |
| minghua | sounds a pretty standard scientific Fortran program :-) | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | he didn't want me to "waste my time" writing it in Python | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | but I'm pretty sure I could have written it in the time it's taking me to figure out how to make this thing run | 06:38 |
| Fujitsu | My father has stuff he uses most days written in various combinations of IDL, Fortran, Python and Tcl :S | 06:39 |
| bhale | damn right tcl | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 06:44 |
| imbrandon | the /media/devel/*/build dirs are huge too | 06:45 |
| imbrandon | i wonder how that cron could have caused it | 06:45 |
| crimsun | Tcl, arrr | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | oh man, it did something! | 06:47 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Incinerated your machine? | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | I gave it 0/0/0/0/ | 06:48 |
| milc | 8/6/7/5/3/0/9 | 06:54 |
| milc | 9/0/2/1/0/ | 06:55 |
| milc | that executed the "close Czessi connection" application | 06:56 |
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| LaserJock | hmm | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | can Daniel real be up that early? | 06:59 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:59 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Seems like it. | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | yikes | 06:59 |
| Fujitsu | dholbach: Evening. | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | I guess | 06:59 |
| ajmitch | hey dholbach | 06:59 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: it's not possible, surely | 07:00 |
| dholbach | hey Fujitsu, ajmitch | 07:00 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: it's 07:00 | 07:00 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: when do you fly? | 07:00 |
| dholbach | at my end of the world | 07:00 |
| ajmitch | it's 19:00 at my end of the world | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | 22:00 in mine | 07:00 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: tonight, rent a car, drive 800km to my parents place, drop the dog. tomorrow, leave with the car early, pick up mvo, fly from Frankfurt at 14:00 or something | 07:01 |
| ajmitch | right :) | 07:01 |
| === ajmitch departs for Christchurch airport in ~12 hours or so | ||
| ajmitch | that's a long way for you to drive to drop off a dog :) | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | wow | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | i dont leave for another 26 or so | 07:02 |
| dholbach | i'll be away for 2,5 weeks | 07:02 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: you live a lot closer | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, true | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | only a 5 hour flight | 07:02 |
| ajmitch | 12 hour flight from AKL->SFO | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | well actualy 2 hour then 3 hour | 07:03 |
| imbrandon | connect in denver | 07:03 |
| === ajmitch looks around for more email on the lists | ||
| imbrandon | thats a good thing for the plane , catch up on email | 07:03 |
| imbrandon | :) | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I have a 5 hr drive :/ | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | 2 hr drive and then 3, that's weird | 07:05 |
| imbrandon | yea driving sucks, 5 hours isnt toooo bad though | 07:05 |
| imbrandon | haha | 07:05 |
| imbrandon | when i drive from nasville tn to reno nv, it was a nightmare | 07:05 |
| imbrandon | never again | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | yucky | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | we drive up to Montana every Christmas | 07:05 |
| imbrandon | me , my wife ( 7 months pregnate ) and a 1 year old son from nashville to reno in a rider | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | 1000 miles | 07:06 |
| imbrandon | never ever ever again | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 07:06 |
| imbrandon | 2100 for nashville --> reno | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that's nasty | 07:06 |
| imbrandon | we stoped in stl , kc, lincon, and saltlake | 07:06 |
| imbrandon | well stoped for the night, we stoped lots of places | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | heh | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | we do it in one day when we go to MT | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | but we don't have kids, just a cat | 07:08 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:08 |
| imbrandon | yea that helps , plus a car rides alot better than a rider truck | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | argh, I'm going to tear out my hair (not that I have much left anymore) | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | this Fortran thing is killing me | 07:09 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:09 |
| imbrandon | my dad programed in frotran and cobal for years | 07:09 |
| imbrandon | fortran* | 07:09 |
| imbrandon | on mainframes though mostly | 07:10 |
| imbrandon | and ibm 360's and the like | 07:10 |
| === ajmitch has even worse | ||
| ajmitch | I have to code in php | 07:10 |
| imbrandon | heh my last non contact job was php coding , i actualy like php | 07:11 |
| imbrandon | contract* gah | 07:11 |
| imbrandon | from 2000 to 2005 or so | 07:12 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: I trump you. I have tcl code | 07:12 |
| ajmitch | ouch | 07:12 |
| imbrandon | for prudential real estate | 07:12 |
| ajmitch | how do you sleep at night? | 07:12 |
| imbrandon | but now they use Yahoo! and got rid of all us in-house guys :( | 07:13 |
| === imbrandon grumbles at Yahoo! | ||
| === Fujitsu grumbles at BIND. | ||
| imbrandon | ahh back to sane sizes , yay \o/ | 07:15 |
| imbrandon | /dev/sdb1 60G 3.6G 53G 7% /media/devel | 07:15 |
| Fujitsu | Heheh. | 07:16 |
| Fujitsu | Aha. BIND decided it wasn't going to handle requests for a domain, because it had a journal that was bad. How nice of it. | 07:17 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:18 |
| Fujitsu | It wouldn't want to actually log that anywhere, of course. | 07:18 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: was it you who made that gnash deb? | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, yea | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | when feisty opens i'm going to upload it there but i have it now if you wanna try ti | 07:22 |
| Burgundavia | no, I have it | 07:22 |
| Burgundavia | I have removed it, but I moved the .so by hand | 07:22 |
| Burgundavia | and now I can't find it | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | ahh yea with the first one i made you ahde to do that, it should be in /var/lib/firefox iirc | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | err | 07:23 |
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| imbrandon | in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ | 07:25 |
| imbrandon | is where is should be | 07:25 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, ^ | 07:25 |
| Burgundavia | right | 07:27 |
| imbrandon | if you want a newer svn snapshot and a deb that put stuff in the right place http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/gnash-0610301925/gnash_0.7.1+svn20061030-0ubuntu1_i386.deb | 07:28 |
| imbrandon | ( source is there too if your on ppc /amd64 ) | 07:28 |
| imbrandon | btw ajmitch you ever have time to eyeball that ? or crimsun ? i would like to get an opinion or two on it before feisty opens | 07:29 |
| imbrandon | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3367 | 07:29 |
| imbrandon | oh wow never mind, someone packaged it in debian too since edgy | 07:33 |
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| Fujitsu | GOES! | 07:34 |
| imbrandon | bah | 07:34 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch, can you nuke my gnash upload then please on tiber ( or tell me howto ) | 07:35 |
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| surimi | hi | 07:57 |
| surimi | I try to install Kino but I have this message error "Depend: libraw1394-8 but it is not installable". On Dapper. In fact the paquet's name is : 0.90.2.3vIubuntu (dapper). Is it a bad backport from Edgy? | 07:58 |
| surimi | How can I repear the dependancies and install it on Dapper? | 07:58 |
| crimsun | !info libraw1394-8 | 07:58 |
| ubotu | libraw1394-8: library for direct access to IEEE 1394 bus (aka FireWire). In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 68 kB | 07:58 |
| crimsun | !info libraw1394-8 dapper | 07:58 |
| ubotu | Package libraw1394-8 does not exist in dapper | 07:58 |
| crimsun | !info kino dapper | 07:58 |
| ubotu | kino: Non-linear editor for Digital Video data. In component main, is extra. Version 0.80-1ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 1071 kB, installed size 3616 kB | 07:58 |
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| imbrandon | anyone looked into what this Novel and MS thing really means ? | 08:02 |
| ajmitch | we won't know for awhile | 08:03 |
| surimi | crimsun, I understand know, my sources.list should contain a incomplet deposit | 08:05 |
| surimi | * now | 08:05 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: can't really be sure | 08:06 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: I would read what luis villa posted, plus the link to the matt asays post | 08:06 |
| Burgundavia | both are very clueful | 08:06 |
| surimi | crimsun, perhaps can we have a backport to Dapper? | 08:06 |
| dholbach | surimi: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/i386/kino/0.80-1ubuntu7 is the version in dapper | 08:06 |
| dholbach | and it depends on libraw1394-5 | 08:06 |
| dholbach | 0.90.2.3vIubuntu is not even in ubuntu yet | 08:07 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, yea i read what luis posted not matt yet? matt whom ? | 08:08 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: luis links to it | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | i read the pr release from novell it reall just said runing virtualized os , that just seems like xen to me but i have a feeling its something more | 08:09 |
| surimi | dholbach, so no backport is possible? | 08:09 |
| dholbach | surimi: you seem to refer to a version that is not in Ubuntu yet (at all) | 08:09 |
| dholbach | so I'm not sure where you have it from | 08:10 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: the general issue seems to revolve around patents. Novell could end up in a world of pain | 08:10 |
| surimi | I edit my sources.list | 08:10 |
| imbrandon | yea | 08:11 |
| imbrandon | the one and only good i see about this is the few that havent heard about linux this will now get it on their toungs | 08:13 |
| jsgotangco | amen | 08:14 |
| Burgundavia | this can actually hurt us (non-Novell people) | 08:14 |
| surimi | dholbach, http://pastebin.ca/235460 | 08:14 |
| imbrandon | hahah Burgundavia have you seen the lkml post from markey that jdub linked to ? | 08:14 |
| Burgundavia | people assume this need to buy "legit Linux" | 08:14 |
| imbrandon | quote : "It's official. Microsoft and Novell will now fork Linux." | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: not yet | 08:15 |
| imbrandon | man i'm glad to be honest i moved from suse to ubuntu when i did now | 08:15 |
| dholbach | surimi: you have an awful lot of unofficial repositories | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | yes your soul is saved! | 08:15 |
| dholbach | surimi: you need talk to their respective owners | 08:16 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, yea i have a strange feeling it will hurt the pure gpl stuff in the short and long term | 08:16 |
| dholbach | surimi: apt-cache policy kino might help finding who's reponsible for the alternate version of kino | 08:16 |
| imbrandon | probably honestly the AD stuff first, so we need to get acting soon | 08:16 |
| surimi | dholbach, ok I see, thanks for all the commands | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | as that will probably be one of the first things they will make work "right" and it will be non-gpl i'm guessing | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | i knew this day would come sometime, i just dident expect it this soon or from novel | 08:18 |
| Burgundavia | they already have edirectory | 08:18 |
| Burgundavia | it is closed source | 08:18 |
| Burgundavia | nothing has changed on that front | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 08:18 |
| Burgundavia | edirectory is from their netware days. it predates AD | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | i honestly figured redhat would do something close to this before novel , but novel is an old world company so i guess it makes sense | 08:19 |
| surimi | 3v1n0.tuxfamily.org is guilty :p | 08:19 |
| Burgundavia | red hat doesn | 08:19 |
| Burgundavia | t need MS | 08:19 |
| Burgundavia | read what Matt Asay said | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | ahh surimi the beryl sources.list | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | it bites again | 08:19 |
| surimi | the best is to comment the line? | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, got a direct link ? | 08:20 |
| whiprush | http://asay.blogspot.com/2006/11/microsoft-and-novell-much-ado-about.html | 08:20 |
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| imbrandon | surimi, imho its best not to use repos from untrust worthy places, and nothing against the beryl guys but to me that dosent fall into the "trusted" sources | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | for me | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | as they have non-beryl stuff in the same repo | 08:21 |
| imbrandon | as you just noticed | 08:21 |
| imbrandon | whiprush, thanks | 08:21 |
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| ajmitch | hello whiprush | 08:22 |
| whiprush | hi guys | 08:22 |
| surimi | ok it's the best I can do | 08:22 |
| Burgundavia | hey whiprush | 08:22 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch, whom did you say was flying with you ? mpt and ? | 08:28 |
| Burgundavia | hey Hobbsee | 08:28 |
| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 08:28 |
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| Hobbsee | hi Burgundavia, imbrandon | 08:32 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: infinity is on the same flight | 08:32 |
| ajmitch | good evening miss hobbs | 08:32 |
| ajmitch | how are you? | 08:32 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok | 08:32 |
| Burgundavia | http://lwn.net/Articles/207438/ <-- rofl | 08:33 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: good. i now own two laptops :) | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | oh? | 08:33 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, nice | 08:34 |
| imbrandon | you finaly load the dualcore with kubuntu :) | 08:34 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: not yet. i'm about to | 08:34 |
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| imbrandon | heh me too | 08:35 |
| StevenK | Me three. | 08:35 |
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| imbrandon | 800mhz ppc , with 640mb ram, and a 30gig hdd, but it gets the job done for what i need | 08:36 |
| imbrandon | the only thing i even remotely dont like about it is no mic or mic jack, but thats really no big deal | 08:36 |
| imbrandon | i could probably get a usb headset if i really wanted | 08:37 |
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| imbrandon | other than that it suits me just fine, just not a speed demon but is a work horse when i make it | 08:38 |
| imbrandon | :) | 08:38 |
| === ajmitch might go to bed early tonight | ||
| imbrandon | heh get on a US schedule ? | 08:39 |
| ajmitch | nah | 08:39 |
| imbrandon | i bet that will bite some people | 08:39 |
| ajmitch | so that I can catch the bus | 08:39 |
| ajmitch | only 3 hours difference for me | 08:39 |
| imbrandon | its -2 for me, not that big of a deal | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | err maybe -3 ? /me looks | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | no -2 | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | looks to be 6 of us at the airport ajmitch, lifeless is on elk's flight | 08:42 |
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| ajmitch | imbrandon: yes, I told her that :) | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | ahh :) | 08:43 |
| ajmitch | depends if he wants to wait at the airport or not | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | yea | 08:44 |
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| ajmitch | and every time I try to write packing, I end up writing packaging | 08:45 |
| === Burgundavia grumbles about not going | ||
| imbrandon | heh i started about 2 hours ago | 08:45 |
| imbrandon | LOL | 08:45 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, :( | 08:45 |
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| elkbuntu | havent asked him yet, he's gone to dinner | 08:46 |
| imbrandon | kwwii's renting a car too when he gets there but it wont be till sat evening | 08:47 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: that is annoying | 08:48 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: very annoying | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | hm, looks like it'll be almost the same weather there as in dunedin today | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | i just hope its warmer than here | 08:51 |
| imbrandon | i'm fskin freezing | 08:51 |
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| TheMuso | Burgundavia: I feel your pain. | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | ~20C for the next few days | 08:51 |
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| Burgundavia | TheMuso: not going either? | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: 100F > 32F ;-) | 08:52 |
| TheMuso | Burgundavia: No, unfortunately. | 08:52 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, haha | 08:52 |
| Burgundavia | 70 F == 20 C | 08:52 |
| imbrandon | nice | 08:52 |
| imbrandon | 70 is good | 08:52 |
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| imbrandon | 30's and 40's here isnt | 08:53 |
| Burgundavia | anybody else having issues with sound with the totem plugin? | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | e.g. 0 to 4 C | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, i dont use it much but yesterday when i was i dident | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: looks like it might jsut be .mov | 08:54 |
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| imbrandon | i cant fire the amd64 up right now ( the only thing with pure ubuntu on it ) or i would check again but i dont rember any issues | 08:55 |
| imbrandon | but then again i dont think i was watching mov's they were mpeg | 08:55 |
| Burgundavia | ok, gstreamer test media works | 08:57 |
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| LaserJock | darn, it's midnight and I still haven't figured this stupid thing out | 09:08 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 09:09 |
| jsgotangco | take a break | 09:09 |
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| LaserJock | it reads in the parameters, and then it asks me for them | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | I don't get it | 09:13 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: so I take it we're meeting in the BART station at the airport? | 09:15 |
| imbrandon | yea | 09:15 |
| imbrandon | the one on level 3 , not the garage | 09:16 |
| imbrandon | ( just so we're at the same entance ) | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | right, so at the entrance | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | makes sense :) | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | I guess I should wear an ubuntu shirt or something | 09:16 |
| imbrandon | heh i have no ubuntu t-shirt | 09:16 |
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| jsgotangco | wohooo | 09:17 |
| imbrandon | but i'll have my green baseball cap on that saus turkey :) | 09:17 |
| imbrandon | says* | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: is easy to find, anyway | 09:17 |
| StevenK | Just look for someone tall carrying a sheep. | 09:18 |
| ajmitch | sure I am :P | 09:18 |
| imbrandon | LOL | 09:18 |
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| Hobbsee | hahaha | 09:18 |
| ajmitch | haha | 09:18 |
| imbrandon | ugh Seveas you awake yet ? | 09:19 |
| imbrandon | i found a falcon bug / problem / something | 09:19 |
| ajmitch | http://www.flickr.com/photos/magicfab/58053224/ | 09:20 |
| ajmitch | found a photo | 09:20 |
| StevenK | Who's the charmer next to you? | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | right or left ? | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:20 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: Right. | 09:21 |
| ajmitch | phython sticking his tongue out.. | 09:21 |
| imbrandon | kk | 09:21 |
| ajmitch | I wonder if he'll be there, I think he works at the googleplex | 09:21 |
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| imbrandon | i think i've shown you this before but here is me http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/all.gif | 09:21 |
| ajmitch | yeah I've seen your happy face | 09:22 |
| imbrandon | lol | 09:22 |
| jsgotangco | hah | 09:22 |
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| jsgotangco | ajmitch: wow so you're actually going | 09:22 |
| ajmitch | yes | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | I don't think there is a decent pic of me anywhere on the internet | 09:23 |
| Hobbsee | am i crazy, or does gnumeric not do .ods? | 09:23 |
| Hobbsee | ie, saving to it | 09:23 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: not yet :) | 09:23 |
| Seveas | imbrandon, malone is always awake for that | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: it's a good thing | 09:23 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: You're probably crazy. | 09:23 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: just wait | 09:23 |
| imbrandon | Seveas, well its only about recompiling the html templates for the new chetah or something | 09:24 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 09:24 |
| imbrandon | Seveas, AssertionError: This template was compiled with Cheetah version 0.9.16. Templates compiled before version 2.0rc6 must be recompiled. | 09:24 |
| Seveas | imbrandon, known | 09:24 |
| imbrandon | ahh can i fix localy ? | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I really have to make sure I pack my camera | 09:24 |
| Seveas | imbrandon, sudo chetah-compile /usr/share/falcon/orange.tmpl | 09:24 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: me too :/ | 09:24 |
| imbrandon | Seveas, rocking man , thanks | 09:24 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, yea i dont have a digital camera anymore, mine died last week | 09:25 |
| imbrandon | :( | 09:25 |
| jsgotangco | ajmitch: lock your laptop :) | 09:25 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: put a chain on your wallet :) | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: I'll leave everything at home | 09:26 |
| ajmitch | jsgotangco: yeah, I need to try & pickup a lock for it | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: actually better yet, my wife's coming so I can give everything to her | 09:26 |
| imbrandon | hrm no chetah-compile command, you know what package its in ? | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | Seveas, ^ | 09:27 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 09:27 |
| Seveas | sorry, it's cheetah-compile | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, lol | 09:27 |
| Seveas | not chetah-compile ;) | 09:28 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:28 |
| imbrandon | yea i'm gonna try to make a template that matches my site today to kill some time | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | ok, maybe it's time to give up on this program | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | I'll ask one of my labmates in the morning | 09:31 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | I'm supposed to present the data I fit with it tomorrow at 10:00am | 09:32 |
| crimsun | on Saturday? | 09:32 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: make the data fit the results? | 09:32 |
| imbrandon | ouch | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: well, technically it's today at 10:00am | 09:33 |
| crimsun | I have an 0930 for which I'm supposed to prep, but of course I'm squashing Ubuntu bugs instead | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: yes, I'm also supposed to write a departmental colloquia presentation for tomorrow too | 09:33 |
| crimsun | too much time spent staring at OS X ;) | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | but this stupid Fortran program is causing me problems | 09:34 |
| StevenK | 1 file changed, 114 insertions(+), 107 deletions(-) | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | I haven't started OS X for probably a week | 09:34 |
| StevenK | Thanks, Glade, I love you. | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | all Edgy, all the time | 09:34 |
| crimsun | workaround listed on xubuntu.org | 09:34 |
| imbrandon | he finaly got ubuntu at work :) | 09:34 |
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| crimsun | -ECHANNEL | 09:35 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | I was noticing today in top that processes were getting 109% CPU | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | that seems odd to me | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | dual core ? | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:36 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: yes, it's far too on-topic for us here | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | so I had 2 processes with 99% each | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | then 1 died | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | and the other one then said 109% | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:37 |
| ajmitch | how special | 09:37 |
| elkbuntu | ajmitch, imbrandon sooo... who's confirmed for the train? | 09:47 |
| ajmitch | elkbuntu: assuming I find you all, me :) | 09:48 |
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| imbrandon | elkbuntu, me you and ajmitch ( possibly mtp and infinity and lifeless depending on what they say ) | 09:51 |
| ajmitch | infinity probably won't | 09:51 |
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| surimi | !info basket | 10:19 |
| ubotu | basket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB | 10:19 |
| surimi | http://basket.kde.org/ <----- so nice, a KDE application... | 10:20 |
| surimi | we are far to Gnome's Tomboy... | 10:22 |
| Burgundavia | surimi: far to? | 10:25 |
| surimi | far from ? :) | 10:25 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:26 |
| ivoks | i don't find tomboy usefull | 10:26 |
| === ivoks ducks! | ||
| surimi | sudo alien -d surimi :p | 10:26 |
| imbrandon | knotes does everything i need | 10:26 |
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| Burgundavia | ivoks: took me awhile to integrate it into my workflow | 10:29 |
| Burgundavia | then it clicked | 10:29 |
| ivoks | heh | 10:30 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: ? | 10:30 |
| Burgundavia | deskbar and beagle are my next targets | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | sbalnev apparently wrote a deskbar plugin that searches apt-cache | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | I think that would single handedly convert me | 10:34 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:34 |
| ivoks | i agree | 10:34 |
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| surimi | someone can do the deb for Basket, please ? It exist yet for Fedora Core 6 | 10:43 |
| surimi | the sources are here http://basket.kde.org/screenshots.php | 10:44 |
| surimi | oh it exist yet http://basket.kde.org/download.php oO | 10:45 |
| LaserJock | surimi: check on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates | 10:45 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: already in universe, just needs updated in debian & synced | 10:45 |
| LaserJock | oh | 10:46 |
| elkbuntu | imbrandon, ajmitch, lifeless is in for the train :) | 10:46 |
| ajmitch | ok | 10:46 |
| elkbuntu | any word from the other two? | 10:47 |
| ajmitch | infinity said he probably won't | 10:48 |
| elkbuntu | and no word from mpt? | 10:48 |
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| LaserJock | mpt was talking in #launchpad < 30 min ago | 10:49 |
| surimi | mr_pouit, tu peux m'expliquer les tapes de la validation d'un deb pour qu'il passe dans Universe ? | 10:50 |
| surimi | LaserJock, le deb existe dj ici http://basket.kde.org/download.php | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | elkbuntu: mpt is in | 10:52 |
| elkbuntu | cool | 10:52 |
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| imbrandon | cool | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | excellent, so the kiwis should outnumber everyone | 10:53 |
| imbrandon | LOL | 10:53 |
| elkbuntu | damn! | 10:53 |
| === imbrandon will be saysin "what did you say??" | ||
| LaserJock | ajmitch: I sure hope not | 10:53 |
| elkbuntu | LaserJock, for the train ride, they will be | 10:54 |
| LaserJock | I don't think the vegamite revolution should come to Mt. View ;-) | 10:54 |
| imbrandon | lol | 10:54 |
| LaserJock | or is that vegemite? | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | vegemite | 10:54 |
| elkbuntu | LaserJock, you're lucky, they banned it | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | elkbuntu: all lies | 10:54 |
| elkbuntu | ajmitch, they unbanned it? | 10:54 |
| === elkbuntu hasnt been paying attention to news | ||
| ajmitch | if it was even banned in the first place... | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | there were some clarifications issued.. | 10:55 |
| lifeless | gels/liquids were not banned on checked in luggage | 10:55 |
| lifeless | only on cabin, and for cabins they are now allowed in controlled amounts | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | in very very small amounts, I was told by the travel agent | 10:55 |
| elkbuntu | yeah. no individual amount to exceed 90ml, and to be carried in a ziplock bag that cannot hold any more than a litre | 10:55 |
| imbrandon | yea you can only have liquids in checked luggage, not even stuff like large toothpaste etc, all checked | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | crazy | 10:56 |
| lifeless | imbrandon: you can have more than liquids in checked luggage :) | 10:56 |
| imbrandon | right | 10:56 |
| imbrandon | i mean carry on | 10:56 |
| imbrandon | you cant | 10:57 |
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| LaserJock | yeah, that's too bad. I've never checked luggage before | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | always stuffed everything in a tiny suitcase for carryon | 11:01 |
| elkbuntu | you guys know if i'd be able to get on board with laptop bag and handbag? | 11:02 |
| lifeless | http://www.unitedairlines.com.au/qenglish/TSA/index.html?navSource=UnitedNews&linkTitle=TSA&pos=1 | 11:02 |
| imbrandon | should, i'm taking my alppy carry on | 11:02 |
| elkbuntu | i called the airline, but got some guy with a thick accent from i dont know where, so i got no idea what i was told :| | 11:02 |
| Burgundavia | elkbuntu: flying which airline? | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | elkbuntu: should be ok | 11:05 |
| elkbuntu | United Airlines | 11:05 |
| Burgundavia | no problem | 11:05 |
| Burgundavia | just don't take excessive hand luggage | 11:05 |
| Burgundavia | one small bag and your laptop bag is good | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | oh man, last time I flew. there was this older couple that had these like full size suit cases | 11:06 |
| Burgundavia | however, expect to take your laptop out at security | 11:06 |
| Burgundavia | so plan for that | 11:06 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I have no idea how they get away with that | 11:06 |
| elkbuntu | ok i can live with that | 11:06 |
| StevenK | The last time I flew I was asked to boot my laptop. | 11:07 |
| === Burgundavia wonders if anyone can tell he has been on 7 or 8 trips in as many months | ||
| === ajmitch just has 1 backpack | ||
| elkbuntu | i'll just get it out and put volume up as high as it can go so the airport echos with ubuntu :D | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: really? I never have had that | 11:07 |
| Burgundavia | I have had them swipe it | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: yeah, they were just standing there stuffing and stuffing. took up at least twice as much as there were supposed to | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: should I show off beryl to them if they ask? ;) | 11:07 |
| Burgundavia | for explosives, that is | 11:07 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: It only happened once, at Singapore Airport. | 11:07 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Heh. :-) | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: right, I've had the explosive residue check once | 11:07 |
| Burgundavia | canadian security seems to do that a lot more | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I think it was in canada | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | can't recall | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | too many airports | 11:08 |
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| Burgundavia | LaserJock: why are you still up? | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | got too much to do before leaving | 11:14 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: so where are we meeting ? | 11:14 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: you could also say "I could ask the same of you" | 11:14 |
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| LaserJock | Burgundavia: of course, but I figured a single guy like you wouldn't have anything better to do then stay up until the AM playing with computers ;-) | 11:15 |
| Burgundavia | touche | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | I have a curfew ;-) | 11:16 |
| elkbuntu | lol | 11:16 |
| Burgundavia | ah, yes, the non-single life | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: SFO BART station entrance, level 3 | 11:17 |
| elkbuntu | ajmitch, i think imbrandon is going to wait for us and we go up together | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | elkbuntu: as I understand it | 11:19 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: what time are we meeting ? | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | my flight gets in at 11:15, when's yours? | 11:20 |
| elkbuntu | 9:42 | 11:20 |
| ajmitch | quite a wait | 11:20 |
| elkbuntu | imbrandon, is 10:?? | 11:20 |
| elkbuntu | i've written down both flight numbers | 11:21 |
| elkbuntu | ajmitch, is mpt on your flight? | 11:21 |
| imbrandon | 10:10 is the exact time | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | elkbuntu: yes | 11:21 |
| imbrandon | i say it will be about 10:30 by the time i get off the plane etc | 11:21 |
| lifeless | lvl 3 of the BART, or lvl3 of the airport ? | 11:22 |
| imbrandon | the BART entrance is on lvl 3 | 11:22 |
| imbrandon | of the airport | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | ok, I think I've had enough | 11:27 |
| LaserJock | good night people | 11:27 |
| imbrandon | night LaserJock | 11:27 |
| elkbuntu | well im off now, see you guys there :) | 11:38 |
| imbrandon | cya :) | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | I suppose it's about time to sleep | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | once I grab some stuff off the laptop | 11:41 |
| imbrandon | yea same here, i think its time for a nap then i'll finish packing | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | suitcase is barely half full | 11:41 |
| imbrandon | welp if i dont catch you on irc before you leave lifeless / ajmitch , have a safe flight | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | you too | 11:41 |
| === ajmitch will probably hop on irc first thing in the morning, as usual | ||
| StevenK | Oh that's right, imbrandon has to get up at like 3am | 11:42 |
| imbrandon | yea me too probably but who knows heh | 11:42 |
| imbrandon | yea | 11:42 |
| imbrandon | i have to be at the airport at 4am and its an hour and 15 minutes drive from here | 11:42 |
| imbrandon | heh | 11:42 |
| imbrandon | so about exactly ~24 hours for me | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | err 22 | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | oh well, off to sleep i go, later yall | 11:43 |
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| ajmitch | it's really funny how plugging in my phone into my laptop, rhythmbox starts, and it appears as something like an ipod | 11:45 |
| imbrandon | lol | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | only has 64MB mini-SD card, so not really that useful | 11:45 |
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| imbrandon | your phone has an SD card? | 11:46 |
| luisbg | ajmitch, cool | 11:47 |
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| ajmitch | yeah | 11:48 |
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| imbrandon | hrm StevenK your on a amd64 right ? | 11:50 |
| StevenK | Yup. | 11:50 |
| imbrandon | mind compiling something in pbuilder for me read fast? its small , i just need the deb's | 11:51 |
| StevenK | Nope. Fire away. | 11:51 |
| imbrandon | http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/dists/edgy/gnash/ | 11:51 |
| imbrandon | dsc is there ^^ | 11:51 |
| imbrandon | one source package , makes like 4 debs | 11:51 |
| DarkMageZ | imbrandon, how far has gnash gotten in the last month? | 11:52 |
| imbrandon | i have i386 and powerpc but i wanna put amd64 debs up too before i goto bed | 11:52 |
| imbrandon | DarkMageZ, its useable, not the greatest but useable | 11:52 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: *nods* | 11:52 |
| imbrandon | DarkMageZ, if your on i386 or powerpc you can grab the debs from that same url to try it if you like | 11:52 |
| DarkMageZ | sounds like it's making progress | 11:53 |
| imbrandon | StevenK, thanks man | 11:53 |
| === StevenK tries to teach imbrandon about "you're" | ||
| StevenK | :-P | 11:53 |
| imbrandon | heh | 11:53 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: he'll never learn the Queen's English | 11:54 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Indeed. | 11:54 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: Building. | 11:54 |
| StevenK | QUILT?! You bastard! | 11:54 |
| imbrandon | rockin, it builds in aobut 10 minutes here ( including the dep stuff ) | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | crap | 11:54 |
| imbrandon | hey i dident do it, thats from debian | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | reminder, never run baobab on a large filesystem with little RAM free | 11:55 |
| StevenK | Heh | 11:55 |
| imbrandon | i had it packaged way way diffrent till i syncd with them | 11:55 |
| lifeless | baobab needs tuning | 11:55 |
| StevenK | I note the Build-Depends are huge. | 11:55 |
| imbrandon | yea it really only needs very few if you only make the firefox plugin | 11:56 |
| imbrandon | but all that other stuff ;( | 11:56 |
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| imbrandon | my package only made the firefox plugin, but then someone beat me to it in debian so i figured might as well sync it | 11:56 |
| imbrandon | and it makes the koqui plugin the standalone player and soemthing else | 11:57 |
| imbrandon | plus the firefox plugin | 11:57 |
| StevenK | -> Considering libgstreamer0.10-dev | libgstreamer0.8-dev | 11:57 |
| StevenK | -> Considering libgstreamer0.10-dev | 11:57 |
| === StevenK thwaps imbrandon | ||
| DarkMageZ | it's not imbrandon's fault. that's debian as well | 11:57 |
| StevenK | Neat. | 11:57 |
| === StevenK is a big fan of shooting the messenger. | ||
| DarkMageZ | i remember bringing those same debian packages to edgy | 11:58 |
| StevenK | Fetched 44.3MB in 5s (7751kB/s) | 11:58 |
| StevenK | Yummy. | 11:58 |
| === DarkMageZ cries | ||
| imbrandon | here was __MY__ build depends before i grabbed debian's | 11:58 |
| imbrandon | Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 5.0.0), libgtkglext1-dev, libboost-dev, libgstreamer0.10-dev, libgl1-mesa-dev, libpng12-dev, libjpeg62-dev, libmad0-dev | 11:58 |
| imbrandon | tons better | 11:59 |
| StevenK | Agreed, but I'm still going to shoot you. :-P | 11:59 |
| DarkMageZ | i wish i could get even 1000kB/s | 11:59 |
| imbrandon | heh | 11:59 |
| imbrandon | the one nice thing it runs out of process so if it does crash it dont take the browser with it | 12:00 |
| imbrandon | unlike the "real" flash | 12:00 |
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| luisbg | ajmitch, why don't you put a bigger sd card in your phone? can your phone play music with earphones? | 12:06 |
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| ajmitch | luisbg: because it came with this one, and I haven't had a need | 12:14 |
| luisbg | ajmitch, if you have an ipod, it makes no sense | 12:15 |
| ajmitch | no, I don't | 12:17 |
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| imbrandon_ | wow i just noticed a ton of stuff come accross -changes, wont be long now | 12:20 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/gnash/ | 12:21 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon_: ABI rebuild | 12:22 |
| imbrandon_ | StevenK: you rock thanks ( grabbing now ) | 12:22 |
| imbrandon_ | ajmitch: yea i seen | 12:22 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, we're rolling in some final bugfixes. debs should be ready to go by Monday | 12:22 |
| lastnode | UDS is 5th november, yes? | 12:22 |
| imbrandon_ | lastnode: yes | 12:22 |
| lastnode | wait, ill get it done by Saturday (tomorrow, for me) | 12:23 |
| lastnode | imbrandon_, http://upstreamdev.org/wiki/Releases/0.1.0 <-- has *almost ready* .debs btw, in case you didn't get the link | 12:24 |
| imbrandon_ | lastnode: yes i got them and have them in my repo | 12:24 |
| lastnode | imbrandon_, awesome. ill ping when the final ones are out. | 12:24 |
| luisbg | can someone confirm me python-qt4 has unmet dependencies? | 12:26 |
| StevenK | luisbg: On Edgy? No, it installs fine. | 12:27 |
| luisbg | StevenK, on feisty? | 12:27 |
| luisbg | python-sip4 is giving me problems | 12:27 |
| StevenK | I wouldn't even attempt it at this point. | 12:27 |
| StevenK | Wait until feisty is unfrozen. | 12:28 |
| luisbg | ok | 12:28 |
| lastnode | imbrandon_, pm? | 12:28 |
| imbrandon_ | sure, do it on this name though i'm heaed to sleep soon :) | 12:29 |
| luisbg | StevenK, when a dirty unmet dep is in apt's way and doesn't want to install anything else... how can I fix it? | 12:33 |
| imbrandon_ | dpkg --configure -a | 12:34 |
| imbrandon_ | sudo ^ | 12:34 |
| luisbg | imbrandon, thanks! =) | 12:35 |
| luisbg | nope... still broken | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | you have to fix the dep first, or uninstall the package, usually | 12:35 |
| imbrandon_ | yea what Hobbsee said ^ i assumed you did that | 12:36 |
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| === imbrandon_ heads off to sleep , thanks for the compile StevenK | ||
| ajmitch | night | 12:37 |
| StevenK | No problem. | 12:37 |
| TheMuso | Hey all. Do any of you think its really worth going for Debian dev, and having to go through a year's worth of stuff just to do so? | 12:37 |
| imbrandon_ | btw thanks to StevenK there is amd64 gnash now in my repo is you wanna give it a spin | 12:38 |
| imbrandon_ | TheMuso: i planned on it "someday" | 12:38 |
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| luisbg | Hobbsee, uninstall with apt-get remove or what? | 12:38 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: You were just lucky. | 12:39 |
| Hobbsee | luisbg: yes | 12:39 |
| luisbg | it says it isn't installed | 12:39 |
| Mez | what command can i use to concetenate 2 diffs? | 12:43 |
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| geser | cat | 12:45 |
| Mez | combinediff ;) | 12:47 |
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| fernando | morning all | 01:03 |
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| SlimG | is it possible to create a source package with checkinstall? | 01:08 |
| TheMuso | SlimG: Not that I know of. | 01:10 |
| TheMuso | As it is, checkinstall is frowned upon here. | 01:10 |
| TheMuso | I don't have the URL handy, but if you wish to learn to package, I suggest reading the Ubuntu packaging guide. | 01:11 |
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| SlimG | TheMuso: thanx, i'm practicing to howto package, i using checkinstall to understand how stuff works | 01:12 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 01:12 |
| TheMuso | It might be better to look at a source package. | 01:12 |
| SlimG | TheMuso: what's the final command for creating a *.deb the right way? | 01:12 |
| TheMuso | Then you learn how stuff works, and learn how Ubuntu/Debian packaging works. | 01:13 |
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| fernando | SlimG: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ | 01:13 |
| TheMuso | Usually something like debuild or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot. | 01:13 |
| TheMuso | Make sure you have fakeroot installed. | 01:13 |
| TheMuso | But most of us use pbuilder. | 01:13 |
| bhale | pbuilder should be required | 01:14 |
| SlimG | TheMuso: thanx for the help, i'm one step further now, evolution here i come :) | 01:15 |
| TheMuso | evolution? | 01:15 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:32 |
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| joejaxx | good morning motus :D | 04:10 |
| lophyte | hey joejaxx | 04:10 |
| joejaxx | hello lophyte | 04:11 |
| lophyte | how's it going? | 04:11 |
| joejaxx | it is going well | 04:11 |
| luisbg | hey | 04:11 |
| joejaxx | luisbg: you are here too? lol | 04:11 |
| luisbg | shouldn't I? | 04:11 |
| joejaxx | :) | 04:11 |
| luisbg | ;) | 04:11 |
| luisbg | joejaxx, I've got a problem | 04:11 |
| joejaxx | luisbg: what is that? | 04:12 |
| luisbg | let me recreate it | 04:12 |
| luisbg | when I do apt-get -f install ... python-sip4 doesn't want to install | 04:13 |
| luisbg | dpkg: error al procesar /var/cache/apt/archives/python-sip4_4.4.5-2ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack): | 04:13 |
| luisbg | intentando sobreescribir `/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sipconfig.py', que est tambin en el paquete python2.4-sip-qt3 | 04:13 |
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| joejaxx | hmm interesting | 04:14 |
| joejaxx | luisbg: edgy? | 04:15 |
| joejaxx | or dapper? | 04:15 |
| luisbg | edgy | 04:15 |
| luisbg | actually when the problem started I was usings feisty's main :S | 04:16 |
| luisbg | but changed it to edgy | 04:16 |
| joejaxx | lol | 04:16 |
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| luisbg | any way to fix it? | 04:19 |
| luisbg | need apt | 04:19 |
| joejaxx | well it says that the file is in python-sip4 is also in python2.4-sip-qt3 right? | 04:21 |
| joejaxx | you in #u-s too :P | 04:23 |
| luisbg | yes | 04:23 |
| luisbg | <joejaxx> well it says that the file is in python-sip4 is also in python2.4-sip-qt3 right? <--- YES | 04:25 |
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| joejaxx | luisbg: lol i am talking to you in two channels :P | 04:27 |
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| luisbg | joejaxx, it's getting confusing LOL | 04:27 |
| joejaxx | yes it is | 04:27 |
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| joejaxx | luisbg: remove the qt package | 04:31 |
| luisbg | python-qt4: Depende: python-sip4 (>= 4.4.5) pero no va a instalarse | 04:31 |
| luisbg | Depende: python-sip4 (< 4.5) pero no va a instalarse | 04:31 |
| luisbg | python-sip-qt3: Depende: python2.4-sip-qt3 (>= 3.10.2-1.1ubuntu1) pero no va a instalarse | 04:31 |
| luisbg | after I did sudo apt-ger remove python2.4-sip-qt3 | 04:32 |
| joejaxx | :\ | 04:32 |
| luisbg | any apt-get I do... shouts that | 04:32 |
| luisbg | which is ironic because I need apt-get to solve that | 04:32 |
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| joejaxx | luisbg: did you try installing feisty packages? | 04:33 |
| joejaxx | before? | 04:33 |
| joejaxx | when you had the feisty repo open? | 04:33 |
| joejaxx | or did you just change the deb line | 04:34 |
| joejaxx | and nothing else | 04:34 |
| luisbg | I had been using the feisty main for like two days | 04:34 |
| luisbg | I changed the apt sources | 04:35 |
| joejaxx | and you are switching back? | 04:35 |
| joejaxx | :( | 04:35 |
| luisbg | because it was recommended to me to go back until is unfrozen | 04:35 |
| joejaxx | did they tell you what to do with already installed feisty packages? | 04:36 |
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| luisbg | joejaxx, no | 04:36 |
| bhale | you can pin the distro in apt | 04:37 |
| luisbg | bhale, pin? | 04:38 |
| bhale | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html | 04:39 |
| bhale | make the priority of edgy higher than feisty | 04:39 |
| luisbg | bhale, did, let's check the apt-get -f install | 04:46 |
| luisbg | bhale, still same problem after pining | 04:52 |
| bhale | is there a problem | 04:52 |
| bhale | or you want to be forced down to edgy? | 04:52 |
| luisbg | I just want to resolve the dep problem of my apt to be able to use it | 04:53 |
| luisbg | preferebly in edgy | 04:53 |
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| luisbg | can someone confirm me that in package python-qt4 of edgy it really says... | 05:25 |
| luisbg | package depends... "python-sip4 (>= 4.4.5), python-sip4 (<< 4.5)" | 05:26 |
| luisbg | just apt-get source downloaded it and can't believe it | 05:26 |
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| luisbg | http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/python/python-qt4 ----> the same | 05:26 |
| luisbg | is "<<" the same as "<"? | 05:27 |
| fernando | can I to build a package with debian directory a symlink to other directory? | 05:34 |
| sivang | fernando: AFAIK, yes | 05:37 |
| fernando | dpkg-source: cannot represent change to debian: | 05:38 |
| fernando | dpkg-source: new version is symlink | 05:38 |
| fernando | dpkg-source: old version is nonexistent | 05:38 |
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| joejaxx | :D hello everyone | 06:11 |
| joejaxx | it has been quiet today :\ | 06:11 |
| pradeep | hi joejaxx | 06:13 |
| joejaxx | hello | 06:13 |
| zul | i think most people are traveling today | 06:14 |
| joejaxx | pradeep: today's attempt today is to make a settings package | 06:14 |
| zul | or starting to do | 06:14 |
| ajmitch | yep | 06:14 |
| joejaxx | zul: ah ok | 06:14 |
| pradeep | joejaxx, settings package? | 06:14 |
| joejaxx | yes | 06:14 |
| pradeep | enlighten me please :) | 06:14 |
| joejaxx | like *-default-settings | 06:14 |
| joejaxx | or ubuntu-default-settings | 06:15 |
| joejaxx | i need to create one of those and an artwork package | 06:15 |
| pradeep | if installed would restore everything to default ? as in CD ? | 06:16 |
| joejaxx | pradeep: well settings for applications | 06:17 |
| joejaxx | like for fluxbuntu | 06:17 |
| joejaxx | the fluxbox menu is setup a certain way | 06:18 |
| joejaxx | that whould be setup with the fluxbuntu-default-settings package | 06:18 |
| joejaxx | having the fluxbuntu logo on wdm instead of debian | 06:18 |
| joejaxx | or having* | 06:19 |
| joejaxx | pradeep: do you see what i mean? | 06:20 |
| pradeep | yep, so this would be like a restore thingy if something goes bad with the apps right? | 06:21 |
| pradeep | joejaxx, that would be helpful | 06:22 |
| joejaxx | pradeep: well yes i guess if you messed up your fluxbuntu menu you could reinstall the package | 06:23 |
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| joejaxx | pradeep: is stuff like that normal handled by the desktop package? | 06:25 |
| joejaxx | pradeep: i as told i needed a *-default-settings package | 06:25 |
| pradeep | joejaxx, sounds a bit new ... I dunno...what apps would you include? | 06:29 |
| joejaxx | pradeep: it whould just hold the configurations | 06:30 |
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| joejaxx | pradeep: are settings normally handled by the *-desktop package? | 06:33 |
| joejaxx | pradeep: maybe i was informed incorrectly | 06:33 |
| joejaxx | bah | 06:34 |
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| pradeep | i think *-desktop is just a meta package ... no settings | 06:36 |
| pradeep | too late :P | 06:36 |
| joejaxx | i should stop talk | 06:36 |
| joejaxx | talking | 06:36 |
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| superm1 | is there something similar to REVU for getting things into main/restricted? | 08:16 |
| luisbg | superm1, ubuntu-dev? | 08:17 |
| slomo_ | superm1: stuff goes to universe/multiverse first and then after writing an main inclusion report and getting it approved it is moved to main | 08:18 |
| superm1 | okay thats what i thought it might be | 08:18 |
| superm1 | what about things with questionable licensing - those "sidestep" cases describe in ubuntu.com/licensing | 08:19 |
| slomo_ | will most probably go to multiverse/restricted then | 08:19 |
| slomo_ | what exactly are you packaging? | 08:19 |
| superm1 | well i am going to get ivtv-firmware packaged up | 08:20 |
| superm1 | and i'm waiting back from hauppauge with written permissions | 08:20 |
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| superm1 | slomo_, if hauppauge only provides verbal permissions though, will that be enough? or do i have to make sure i have it in writing? | 08:26 |
| imbrandon | superm1, it actualy has to be released in a license that allows redist | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | not just permission | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | becouse of derivitives etc | 08:31 |
| superm1 | well i talked with the person hosting it at ivtvdriver.org | 08:31 |
| superm1 | and they said redist is okay | 08:31 |
| superm1 | but they dont have written permissions for it | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | anyone that gets ubuntu has to have the right to alose redist , or anyone that make a ubuntu based distro must also have that right | 08:31 |
| superm1 | even for restricted stuff? | 08:32 |
| imbrandon | right but it needs to be totaly clear | 08:32 |
| superm1 | well i talked on the phone today briefly with hauppauge about it. they are going to get back to me via email | 08:32 |
| superm1 | I sent them a copy of amtel-firmware's copyright file asking for something similar back | 08:33 |
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| superm1 | imbrandon, about the exclusivity - what if we get a license allowing ubuntu and derivatives - is that too exclusive still? | 08:36 |
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| imbrandon | superm1, i'm not a laywer but i dont think so except in special cases bartered by canonical ( firefox is the only known case of this becouse its soooo high profile ) | 08:41 |
| imbrandon | sorry i'm in and out, i'm leaving for the airport soonish | 08:41 |
| imbrandon | so i'm packing last minute etc :) | 08:42 |
| superm1 | oh yea today is off to MTV :) | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | yup i leave in about 9 hours | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | :) | 08:42 |
| superm1 | well i'll be in contact with hauppauge the next week. i'll see if i can settle it with them then | 08:42 |
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| imbrandon | superm1, sweet yea, i would LOVE to see this happen, we just have to be carefull | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | you know what i mean | 08:43 |
| superm1 | at very worst, ivtv-firmware can wget from ivtv-driver.org | 08:43 |
| superm1 | as a fallback option | 08:43 |
| Burgwork | superm1: that is what the flashplayer does | 08:43 |
| superm1 | similar to how the flash plugin does | 08:43 |
| superm1 | yea | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | well i'm thinking we MIGHT be able to setup something like the flashplugin-nonfree in multiverse | 08:43 |
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| imbrandon | right | 08:43 |
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| imbrandon | wb corey | 08:45 |
| superm1 | imbrandon, did you sort out getting that branch together? | 08:45 |
| Burgwork | bloody sound breaks after 48 hours | 08:45 |
| imbrandon | superm1, no sorry i dident , i've been so busy with getting my travel stuff clear | 08:46 |
| imbrandon | i'll try to do so asap | 08:46 |
| superm1 | when you get a moment, if your busy getting travel stuff together, thats a bigger priority | 08:46 |
| imbrandon | Burgwork, just stops working ? is maybe the palyer your using have a mem leak? just a shot in the dark | 08:46 |
| Burgwork | imbrandon: not, something todo with dbus and hal | 08:47 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 08:47 |
| Burgwork | loses the fact that the player is there | 08:47 |
| Burgwork | might be our closed source multiseat crap as well | 08:47 |
| imbrandon | ouch, not good | 08:47 |
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| imbrandon | superm1, yea hosnetly i figure i'll have time to do it this week after hours from the BoF's | 08:48 |
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| imbrandon | at the hotel or something, i think as long as we get it done before we upload new versions feisty we're ok | 08:49 |
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| imbrandon | which will be a few days anyhow | 08:49 |
| superm1 | oh i didnt realize feisty was opening up so soon | 08:50 |
| imbrandon | yea , the toolchain is almost complete , infact somethings have already been rebuilt | 08:51 |
| imbrandon | for an ABI change that was made | 08:51 |
| superm1 | did we make a big jump on gcc versions? I was assuming that we were starting with edgy versions | 08:51 |
| superm1 | and glibc versions | 08:51 |
| imbrandon | yea https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/ | 08:52 |
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| imbrandon | you might want to subscribe to the feisty-changes ML or Seveas's RSS feed for it | 08:53 |
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| superm1 | do you have a link for Seveas's RSS feed? | 08:53 |
| superm1 | good to watch this thing | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | hrm one sec | 08:53 |
| Seveas | media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/feisty.xml | 08:54 |
| superm1 | Thx | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | yea | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | moins Seveas, heading out soon ? | 08:54 |
| Seveas | 7 hours | 08:55 |
| imbrandon | cool, about the same here ( 9 or so ) | 08:55 |
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| CarlFK | how would I go about finding if anyone is packaging http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/gui-tools/5.0.html | 09:37 |
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| Burgwork | CarlFK: look for ITPs in debian | 09:38 |
| Burgwork | ask around here | 09:38 |
| CarlFK | what is an ITP? | 09:38 |
| Burgwork | intent to package | 09:38 |
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| CarlFK | thanks | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: we'll turn you into a MOTU yet :-) | 09:42 |
| bddebian | heh | 09:42 |
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| Burgwork | LaserJock: good luck trying | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: there is this Tcl app that sounds like a perfect learning project ;-) | 09:43 |
| Burgwork | right | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: have you tricked, I mean enticed, anybody to package that yet? | 09:44 |
| Burgwork | not yet | 09:44 |
| LaserJock | well, I'd rather package for openUserful then Userful | 09:46 |
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| Burgwork | userful paid you, and openuserful can't | 09:46 |
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| LaserJock | Burgwork: I'd still rather package for openuserful | 09:50 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock: well this tcl code I have is openuserful! | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | yep | 09:50 |
| Burgwork | I have even have a shiny press release to prove it :) | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | if I have time I'd like to help out | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | but as you probably know, my free time is pretty used up | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | uggg, that cochicken thing is nasty | 09:52 |
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| LaserJock | oh, how nifty, firefox won't quit | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | doh, I had another window on a different desktop | 10:06 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: now when are all of you ( you and the AU/NZ contingent) going to hit SF? | 10:10 |
| lifeless | ~1000 AM SF time | 10:11 |
| lifeless | I get in a 0942, stip at 1000 precisely, | 10:11 |
| lifeless | ajmitch at 1115 | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | yea all our flights get there from 942 to 1115 | 10:12 |
| lifeless | s/stip/stub/ | 10:12 |
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| lifeless | and we're meeting at the BART station lvl 3 | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | lifeless, and elk at 942 , me at 1010 and ajmitch and mpt at 1115 | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | moins lifeless | 10:13 |
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| LaserJock | imbrandon: ok and that's Saturday, right? | 10:18 |
| imbrandon | yea | 10:18 |
| imbrandon | ( tomarrow morning ) | 10:19 |
| imbrandon | for us, not sure what it means to them ( later today ? ) | 10:19 |
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| LaserJock | I was just trying to see how early I should get over there | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | my plane leaves in about ~12 hours , but i have to be at the airport sooner | 10:20 |
| LaserJock | I might try to hop over to the hotel when I get in to say hello | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | cool | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | yea ajmitch is in mtv actualy not sunnyvale but he said something about somming over to the hotel maybe sat night | 10:21 |
| imbrandon | for a while | 10:21 |
| imbrandon | s/somming/comming | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | yeah, similar here | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | I think I'm the closest to Google HQ ;-) | 10:22 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:22 |
| imbrandon | when are you supose to get there ? | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | well, this afternoon/evening I'm driving to Sac | 10:22 |
| imbrandon | we will likely be at the hotel about noon or soon after | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | but I haven't figured out when we'll drive from Sac to Mt. View | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | hopefully not when the traffic is nasty | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | but it's always nasty so... | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | yea leave right after morning rush would be good, then you wont have to worry about it till quitting time | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | but saturday shouldent be terrible | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | yeah, if people are going to be around I'll go earlier | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | if nobody was going to be there until Sat. night I wasn't going to worry about it | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | but I don't have much time so I want to make the most of it | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | ouch | 10:25 |
| imbrandon | yea we should all get there arround noon to the hotel, depending on how long ajmitch and mpt are in customs | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | Yahoo has an Internet Addiction story right now | 10:25 |
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| bhale | im an internet addict | 10:25 |
| bhale | whats the cure? | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | I made 7 out of 8 on the checklist | 10:25 |
| imbrandon | lol yea i would probably get 8 of 8 | 10:25 |
| imbrandon | or 7 of 8 | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | I'm too cheap to buy computer equipment | 10:26 |
| imbrandon | whats the url ? | 10:26 |
| bhale | i meet 6 of those | 10:26 |
| bhale | i dont lie or deny it | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/6574 | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | well, I guess I don't deny it | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | but I probably shrink my computer time down in my head | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | "I haven't been on long" = 8 hrs | 10:27 |
| bhale | im on 8 hours at work | 10:27 |
| bhale | and most of the evening | 10:27 |
| imbrandon | heh i meet all but 1 and 8 | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | heh, I like this comment: "three words...WORLD OF WARCRAFT" | 10:29 |
| imbrandon | heh when i was looking if the airport had hotspots , thats sad considering i wont be there more than 1 or 2 hours tops | 10:30 |
| imbrandon | :) | 10:30 |
| bhale | i cant help but pay for airport wifi | 10:30 |
| bhale | i was in Boston for 30 minutes tops | 10:30 |
| bhale | $8 | 10:30 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:30 |
| bhale | my credit card floats out of my pocket | 10:30 |
| imbrandon | i might in SFO waiting for everyone to show up | 10:31 |
| imbrandon | but not in denver most likely as i'll only be there 1 hour | 10:31 |
| bhale | i hope your ipod is charged | 10:31 |
| imbrandon | but then again who knows LOL | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | I'm just too broke to spend money on wiki | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | wifi | 10:31 |
| imbrandon | yup yup its fully charged, made sure of that | 10:31 |
| bhale | its $8 | 10:31 |
| bhale | DO IT | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | that's a lot of money though :-0 | 10:32 |
| imbrandon | alot for 30 minutes yea | 10:32 |
| imbrandon | and considering i only have $200 for the week heheh | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | well, I shoulda spent more money when I went to Paris | 10:34 |
| bhale | i spent $100 in australia | 10:35 |
| bhale | on cabs | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | instead some punk got most of it :( | 10:35 |
| bhale | mark does a very nice job of taking care of things | 10:35 |
| imbrandon | yea i heard that | 10:35 |
| imbrandon | heh my mt dew addiction i will spend $100 on just that :) | 10:36 |
| imbrandon | LOL | 10:36 |
| imbrandon | i can live without wifi at the airport but not mt dew | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | shesh | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | you need a t-shirt, "Mt. Dew in Mt. View" | 10:37 |
| imbrandon | LOL | 10:38 |
| imbrandon | i dident even look , are either of the other brandons comming ? | 10:38 |
| imbrandon | bhale, ? | 10:38 |
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| LaserJock | I want a "I went to UDS Mt. View and all I got was this lousy t-shirt...and a lot of work" | 10:38 |
| imbrandon | lol | 10:39 |
| imbrandon | i just want a kubuntu t-shirt | 10:39 |
| bhale | bhale: no | 10:40 |
| bhale | uh | 10:40 |
| bhale | imbrandon: no. | 10:40 |
| imbrandon | heh ok | 10:40 |
| imbrandon | welp time to finish packing, probably be back in a bit | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | packing? | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | over-achiever! | 10:43 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | I just stuff some stuff in a suitcase 30 min. before I have to go | 10:43 |
| lifeless | yup | 10:43 |
| lifeless | I just did that | 10:43 |
| lifeless | imbrandon: whats your mobile # ? | 10:45 |
| imbrandon | 816-810-3757 | 10:46 |
| imbrandon | 1+ ^ | 10:47 |
| TheMuso | Hey guys. | 10:47 |
| imbrandon | heya TheMuso | 10:47 |
| TheMuso | Hope you enjoy your week. | 10:47 |
| imbrandon | :) | 10:47 |
| TheMuso | I really wish I could be there. | 10:47 |
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| theCore | UDS is next week? | 10:48 |
| imbrandon | theCore, yea most of us are either on the road now or getting ready to be on the road to moutain view now | 10:49 |
| theCore | you are a bunch of lucky guys :) | 10:49 |
| theCore | I heard there will be a IRC channel for UDS, is it true? | 10:50 |
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| imbrandon | theCore, YEA THERE IS NORMALY ONE SETUP | 10:50 |
| imbrandon | gah | 10:50 |
| imbrandon | sorry caps lock sucks | 10:50 |
| lifeless | imbrandon: so thats +18168103757 ? | 10:50 |
| lifeless | imbrandon: or +118168103757 ? | 10:50 |
| imbrandon | lifeless, yea | 10:51 |
| imbrandon | no the first | 10:51 |
| theCore | imbrandon, you should remove it :) | 10:51 |
| lifeless | let me test :) | 10:51 |
| imbrandon | +1-816-810-3757 | 10:51 |
| imbrandon | you will get my voicemail probably , its on the charger right now | 10:51 |
| lifeless | if your phone rings now, its right :) | 10:51 |
| lifeless | lol, ok | 10:51 |
| imbrandon | it says my name | 10:51 |
| lifeless | 'the person you are trying to reach'... | 10:52 |
| imbrandon | hrm that phone might be not working , one sec | 10:52 |
| lifeless | yah, no voice mail on that number | 10:52 |
| DBO | i cant believe you posted your number on irc... | 10:52 |
| imbrandon | DBO, why not, i had/have it on my website too | 10:53 |
| imbrandon | not many calls trust me :) | 10:53 |
| DBO | =) | 10:53 |
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| theCore | will do* | 10:53 |
| imbrandon | thats the nice thing about "off" on cell phones | 10:53 |
| DBO | imbrandon, beryl 0.1.2 will be ready soon if you are interested | 10:53 |
| theCore | bah ... | 10:53 |
| imbrandon | DBO, rocking, i'll look when i get into mtv | 10:53 |
| DBO | imbrandon, I'll come back and let you know when its released final | 10:54 |
| DBO | oh you will be at UDS =) | 10:54 |
| DBO | fantastic | 10:54 |
| imbrandon | yes | 10:54 |
| DBO | I'll see you there | 10:54 |
| imbrandon | :) | 10:54 |
| DBO | i was under the impression you were not going for some reason | 10:54 |
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| imbrandon | DBO, yes i leave here in a few hours | 10:55 |
| TheMuso | c | 10:55 |
| DBO | well then imbrandon, happy trails! | 10:55 |
| TheMuso | gar speakup | 10:55 |
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| theCore | will there be a CC meeting during UDS? | 10:56 |
| imbrandon | lifeless, 1-816-550-7441 | 10:57 |
| imbrandon | i'll take that cellphone | 10:57 |
| imbrandon | ^ | 10:57 |
| lifeless | kk | 10:57 |
| imbrandon | theCore, no | 10:57 |
| lifeless | is that work or personal or you just have two phones for fun ? | 10:57 |
| imbrandon | i just have two, the first was a prepaid, this is a verizon | 10:57 |
| imbrandon | both personal | 10:58 |
| lifeless | testing | 10:58 |
| theCore | imbrandon, ah, ok | 10:58 |
| imbrandon | k | 10:58 |
| lifeless | ringing | 10:58 |
| lifeless | sweet | 10:58 |
| imbrandon | works ! | 10:58 |
| imbrandon | said unavible on the caller id, but thats not a big deal :) | 10:58 |
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| imbrandon | :) | 10:59 |
| lifeless | yah, its handshaking with vodafone in .au | 10:59 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: what provider do you have? | 11:00 |
| theCore | gotta love the long-distance fees :) | 11:00 |
| imbrandon | verizon | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | darn | 11:00 |
| lifeless | bbiab | 11:00 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, ? | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | I've got cincular, I was hoping I could call you for free ;-) | 11:00 |
| imbrandon | ahh :) | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | *cingular | 11:00 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, no moible to mobile for free? | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | for cingular yes | 11:01 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 11:01 |
| imbrandon | 65 to 70 degree temps are going to be a welcom change | 11:03 |
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| LaserJock | imbrandon: yeah, my wife's family there don't have ac or heat in their house | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: and I'm not sure they really have insulation either | 11:04 |
| imbrandon | wow | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | they say the pretty much open the windows during the summer and close then during the winter :-) | 11:05 |
| imbrandon | ok now to really finish packing, back in ~30 min or an hour | 11:05 |
| imbrandon | heh | 11:05 |
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| tenshu | hi all | 11:06 |
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| tenshu | i would like to upload a package to REVU, can someone re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring? | 11:07 |
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