[01:13] <LaserJock> oh man
[01:13] <zul> hmm?
[01:13] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock
[01:13] <LaserJock> you know how my department server went down
[01:13] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:14] <zul> its an on going saga but yes :)
[01:14] <LaserJock> I just got an email that they are discontinuing our accounts
[01:14] <zul> ouch.
[01:14] <ajmitch> nasty
[01:14] <LaserJock> we have to migrate our mail ASAP
[01:15] <Burgwork> discounting your accounts? are they insane?
[01:15] <LaserJock> well, the server fried
[01:16] <LaserJock> and they don't want to pay for maintenance
[01:16] <LaserJock> it's not a biggie for most people
[01:16] <LaserJock> but I get 99% of my email forwarded or directly there
[01:19] <TheMuso> Ouch.
[01:23] <LaserJock> wahoo, got my MOTU Science scripts spiffed up and ready to go for feisty
[01:24] <zul> spiffy
[01:24] <ajmitch> wonderful!
[01:24] <LaserJock> http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/scripts/
[01:24] <LaserJock> I'm not that great with shell script yet
[01:25] <ajmitch> LaserJock: why isn't that a bzr branch?
[01:26] <LaserJock> ajmitch: cause I never really thought of it
[01:26] <ajmitch> makes it easier even for personal use
[01:26] <ajmitch> I've even stuck my pbuilder configs in bzr
[01:26] <LaserJock> yeah, I probably should
[01:26] <ajmitch> since they're long & have a few extra features
[01:29] <LaserJock> anyway, so we have Debian/Ubuntu lists
[01:29] <LaserJock> and a bug list
[01:29] <LaserJock> which is nice
[01:29] <chillywilly> hey guys
[01:30] <LaserJock> hopefully I can use some of the same stuff to work on MOTU task lists
[01:46] <luisbg_zZzZZzZz> quick question... for a package to be accepted in motu... besides being well package? has the software need to be useful... or apps in a pre-beta fase are accepted?
[01:50] <luisbg> I ment universe
[01:51] <lifeless> luisbg: pretty much anything open source is ok, regardless of status
[01:52] <luisbg> lifeless, nice =), trying to make a package of this friend's project
[01:52] <luisbg> well... gotta go sleep, goodnight all
[02:11] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[02:11] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[02:11] <Fujitsu> LaserJock!
[02:11] <LaserJock> Fujitsu!
[02:12] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I worked a lot on the MOTU Science scripts today
[02:13] <Fujitsu> What do they do now?
[02:13] <LaserJock> well, I just cleaned them up
[02:13] <LaserJock> and got it so they can be automated ( cronjob or something)
[02:14] <LaserJock> http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/scripts/
[02:14] <LaserJock> and I put the scripts up ^^
[02:14] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[02:15] <LaserJock> we need to get lucas to update mdt
[02:15] <Fujitsu> What about it needs updating?
[02:16] <LaserJock> well, your patch for outdatedbutlocal
[02:16] <LaserJock> and cleanup of some urls
[02:17] <LaserJock> also he's missing a couple deps
[02:17] <Fujitsu> The best idea is for someone to create a branch of it, and push it to somewhere public.
[02:18] <Fujitsu> That someone could be me :P
[02:19] <LaserJock> well, I also need to put these scripts in a bzr repo
[02:20] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: so do it
[02:20] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: What URL cleanup is necessary?
[02:21] <LaserJock> changelogs.ubuntu.com
[02:21] <LaserJock> instead of packages.ubuntu.com
[02:24] <Fujitsu> My copy here already uses changelogs.ubuntu.com...
[02:24] <Fujitsu> You must be running an old copy, LaserJock.
[02:25] <LaserJock> well, that's what I was wondering
[02:25] <LaserJock> I grabbed a fresh branch
[02:25] <LaserJock> I thought
[02:25] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: where'd you get yours?
[02:26] <Fujitsu> Pulled from http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/multidistrotools/
[02:26] <LaserJock> :/
[02:26] <LaserJock> I did the same thing
[02:26] <LaserJock> but your patch didn't apply cleanly
[02:26] <LaserJock> maybe something's wrong with my branch
[02:27] <LaserJock> if we can get it updated on tiber I can run everything off of there
[02:28] <Fujitsu> My patch didn't apply cleanly on my local copy either :S
[02:28] <Fujitsu> Hunk 1 failed, as it was missing the merge link.
[02:28] <Fujitsu> I must have made it from an old copy on another box.
[02:40] <Fujitsu> My MDT testing seems to be hanging somewhere here :/
[02:42] <ajmitch> nope
[02:42] <LaserJock> what gnewsense?
[02:42] <Fujitsu> What about it?
[02:43] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ubuntu without the nasty proprietary bits, blessed by the FSF
[02:43] <LaserJock> oh
[02:43] <LaserJock> gnubuntu
[02:43] <minghua> I am just curious if it's a one-man business, but used by FSF to prove a point
[02:44] <minghua> hmm, s/prove/try to prove/
[02:44] <ajmitch> minghua: 2-man, at least :)
[02:45] <LaserJock> well, I wouldn't think it'd be hard
[02:45] <LaserJock> isn't it Ubuntu - Restricted - Multiverse?
[02:45] <minghua> LaserJock: kernel firmware
[02:46] <ajmitch> and launchpad-free
[02:47] <LaserJock> hah
[02:48] <zul> meh...
[02:49] <ajmitch> bye Fujitsu
[02:52] <minghua> "in its first release, gNewSense has ... made emacs, ... part of the default install."
[02:52] <minghua> Boo
[02:53] <Fujitsu> ... emacs... Yucky.
[02:53] <TheMuso> I'm enclined to agree.
[02:54] <LaserJock> wahoo for emacs
[02:54] <Fujitsu> OH, I know why mdt took so long.
[02:54] <Fujitsu> I forgot to filter the package lists... >_>
[02:55] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Have you managed to get a proper branch of mdt yet?
[02:56] <LaserJock> what do you mean?
[02:56] <zul> must stop reading forums..
[02:56] <Fujitsu> You said your current one used packages.ubuntu.com rather than changelogs.ubuntu.com...
[02:56] <LaserJock> oh
[02:56] <LaserJock> well no, I didn't fix that yet
[02:57] <LaserJock> I have a ton of stuff to do today
[02:57] <LaserJock> but I did fix his deps
[02:57] <LaserJock> and applied your patch - that 1 hunk
[02:57] <minghua> Fujitsu, LaserJock: is there a new url with updated version comparison list I can link from the wiki?
[02:58] <minghua> Fujitsu, LaserJock: (I think both of you have seen the reply to my mail on -science)
[02:58] <Fujitsu> minghua: I haven't seen one, I don't think.
[02:59] <minghua> huh.
[03:00] <LaserJock> i did
[03:00] <LaserJock> minghua: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/feisty/all.html
[03:01] <minghua> LaserJock: thanks
[03:01] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: That's a really strange MDT you have there.
[03:02] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: why?
[03:03] <Fujitsu> It says `MoM' instead of `Merges', and uses p.u.c...
[03:03] <Fujitsu> *Merge
[03:04] <LaserJock> I'm branching again
[03:05] <imbrandon> moins all
[03:05] <minghua> hi imbrandon
[03:06] <Fujitsu> Hey imbrandon.
[03:06] <imbrandon> LaserJock, nice script
[03:06] <zul> evening imbrandon
[03:06] <imbrandon> heya zul
[03:06] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Is your cron job now using an updated copy of the package lists?
[03:07] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon
[03:07] <imbrandon> LaserJock, mind if i use that script for a diffrent set of packages ?
[03:07] <minghua> some people should package that script :-)
[03:08] <LaserJock> well
[03:08] <LaserJock> mdt is kinda packaged
[03:08] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: what package lists?
[03:08] <LaserJock> imbrandon: of course you can, but it's probably crap anyway so use at your own risk ;-)
[03:09] <imbrandon> hehe where is it at ? on tiber ?
[03:09] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Lists of packages in science/electronics/math.
[03:09] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: those are generated by the scripts
[03:09] <LaserJock> imbrandon: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/scripts/
[03:10] <imbrandon> i would like to run this for our KDE stuff
[03:10] <imbrandon> kk
[03:12] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ok what one do i edit for the package list
[03:13] <imbrandon> i have them copied to my home dir :)
[03:13] <LaserJock> generate.bash is the important one
[03:13] <minghua> heard from #gnewsense:  the splash screen of xdm still says Debian in the ubuntu package, and therefore also says Debian in gnewsense package :-)
[03:16] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: do you have an updated patch?
[03:16] <imbrandon> LaserJock, so i need to make a $HOME/.multidistrotools ?
[03:16] <LaserJock> imbrandon: you need to install multidistrotools
[03:16] <imbrandon> i'm doing this on tiber also
[03:16] <LaserJock> oh
[03:16] <imbrandon> so its probably installed
[03:16] <LaserJock> then you're all good I think
[03:16] <imbrandon> i just want to use diffrent package list
[03:17] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Yes, it has an extra thing as well. I'll upload it somewhere.
[03:17] <Yagisan> anyone here familiar with sdl threads ? and has a spare minute
[03:18] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/outdatedandlocal.diff
[03:29] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: ok reload http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/feisty/
[03:30] <Fujitsu> Well, it seems to work.
[03:31] <Fujitsu> `Generated using MultiDistroTools on Thu Nov 02 23:47:00 UTC 2006'
[03:31] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[03:31] <Fujitsu> Just all.html hasn't been updated recently.
[03:32] <LaserJock> you sure
[03:32] <Fujitsu> Ah, 'twas a proxy doing something stupid.
[03:32] <Fujitsu> I /was/ reconfiguring its caching settings at the time, which might have done it.
[03:38] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ok why am i getting http://tiber.tauware.de/~brandon/all.html
[03:39] <LaserJock> because the mdt on tiber doesn't have Fujitsu's patch
[03:39] <imbrandon> ahh
[03:39] <Fujitsu> If it doesn't have my patch, then why's it generating that state in the first place?
[03:39] <imbrandon> so your just uploading from localy ?
[03:40] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I am for now
[03:40] <imbrandon> is the patch in edgy ?
[03:40] <LaserJock> mdt isn't even in edgy
[03:41] <imbrandon> oh wow
[03:41] <imbrandon> heh
[03:41] <imbrandon> sid ?
[03:41] <LaserJock> no
[03:41] <Fujitsu> No, nothing.
[03:41] <LaserJock> there is no package
[03:41] <imbrandon> ok i give up how can i get this working localy then hehe
[03:42] <imbrandon> ( or better yet on my webserver )
[03:42] <imbrandon> mdt is bzr or svn or something ?
[03:42] <imbrandon> or Fujitsu you have a working copy for me ?
[03:42] <Fujitsu> It's in bzr, see MultiDistroTools on the wiki, then grab my patch from..
[03:42] <Fujitsu> http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/outdatedandlocal.diff
[03:43] <Fujitsu> (and apply it)
[03:43] <imbrandon> k
[03:45] <LaserJock> I've got it at http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/multidistrotools/
[03:45] <LaserJock> with dep changes and Fujitsu's patch
[03:46] <imbrandon> k
[03:49] <imbrandon> hrm i should be able to install this on my webserver too without making a deb later
[03:49] <imbrandon> looks like its just some ruby and bash scripts
[03:49] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Correct, which means it's horrifically slow.
[03:54] <imbrandon> ok LaserJockif anyone else askes i tar'd up your script and made a deb ( plus src ) at http://tiber.tauware.de/~brandon/mdt/
[03:55] <imbrandon> ( with a touched misc in the tar )
[03:56] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, ^^ ( and it has your patch )
[03:58] <imbrandon> man i wish the politicians would stop calling
[04:01] <imbrandon> LaserJock, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29955/ are those ruby errors normal ?
[04:09] <bmonty> when telemarketers call me I sent them to an asterisk extension that plays the monkeys screaming sound that comes with asterisk :)
[04:09] <imbrandon> lol
[04:10] <TheMuso> hahaha
[04:10] <TheMuso> Whats the state of play concerning packaging FireFox extensions?
[04:10] <imbrandon> hrm not sure, i dont use any
[04:19] <w00> *
[04:21] <imbrandon> ?
[04:21] <TheMuso> riiiiight.
[04:22] <ajmitch> someone being silly in multiple channels
[04:24] <lastnode> imbrandon, we have .debs! :-) http://upstreamdev.org/wiki/Releases/0.1.0
[04:24] <imbrandon> lastnode, rockin
[04:24] <LaserJock> imbrandon: not sure
[04:24] <LaserJock> I don't get those error
[04:24] <LaserJock> sorry, I had to blow out the sprinkler system
[04:24] <imbrandon> i only got them on the first run
[04:25] <imbrandon> so no biggie
[04:26] <imbrandon> i think there is some flaw in its logic though LaserJock / Fujitsu
[04:26] <imbrandon> look at amarok
[04:26] <imbrandon> http://federation.imbrandon.com/feisty/html/all.html
[04:27] <Fujitsu> You mean ignoring epochs?
[04:28] <imbrandon> no i mean it says 1.4.4-0.1 is smaller than 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10
[04:28] <imbrandon> hrm
[04:28] <imbrandon> i guess it is
[04:28] <imbrandon> becouse of the epoch
[04:28] <Fujitsu> Yes, so it's right.
[04:28] <imbrandon> yea if it would ignore the epochs would be best
[04:28] <ajmitch> why?
[04:29] <imbrandon> ajmitch, why what ?
[04:29] <ajmitch> so you can merge it?
[04:29] <ajmitch> why ignore epochs?
[04:29] <imbrandon> becosue the report is saying debian is smaller than the ubuntu version but its really not
[04:30] <imbrandon> someone probably botched an upload
[04:30] <LaserJock> if it has an epoch it is
[04:30] <LaserJock> it uses the same logic apt does
[04:30] <ajmitch> that's because someone was silly enough to add an epoch, so the debian version will be smaller
[04:30] <imbrandon> yup and really not a way to un-epoch it
[04:31] <imbrandon> hrm
[04:31] <ajmitch> no way at all
[04:31] <ajmitch> that's why they should only be added when *really* needed
[04:32] <imbrandon> yea
[04:32] <Fujitsu> It first appeared when a new upstream of 1.4.1 was uploaded, I wonder why...
[04:32] <Fujitsu> What's the use of epochs in the first place?
[04:32] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Ri*ddel
[04:32] <lifeless> epochs are a way to 'uncommit'
[04:32] <imbrandon> 1.4.1 would have ben Riddell
[04:33] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok
[04:33] <lifeless> if you think of the package as a series of commits to a vcs ;)
[04:33] <Fujitsu> lifeless: Like, reverting to a previous upstream version?
[04:33] <ajmitch> epoch was added long before 1.4.1
[04:33] <lifeless> yah
[04:33] <Fujitsu> amarok (2:1.4.1-0ubuntu1) edgy; urgency=low
[04:33] <Fujitsu> amarok (1.4.0a-1) unstable; urgency=low
[04:34] <ajmitch> the changelog may have been cut
[04:34] <lifeless> its just a way of saying 'a < b' when the upstream version part of a and b has a > b
[04:34] <Fujitsu> They are consecutive versions in the changelog...
[04:34] <Fujitsu> Ah, true.
[04:34] <ajmitch> or merged
[04:34] <ajmitch> look lower
[04:34] <imbrandon> yea they wouldent have started with 2:
[04:34] <imbrandon> likely
[04:35] <imbrandon> lifeless, yea but it sucks when ubuntu has it but debian dosent
[04:35] <lifeless> imbrandon: naturally
[04:35] <ajmitch> amarok (2:1.2.3-1ubuntu1) hoary; urgency=low
[04:35] <ajmitch>   * Sync with Debian
[04:35] <ajmitch>  -- Jonathan Riddell <jr@jriddell.org>  Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:25:27 +0000
[04:35] <ajmitch> yeah, so it was riddell, much earlier
[04:35] <imbrandon> 1.2 wow
[04:36] <lifeless> the realy defect is that we consider the human version identier as a pun on the machine version marker
[04:36] <ajmitch> assuming that was the first upload with an epoch
[04:36] <lifeless> its really close to what tla did.
[04:36] <ajmitch> which I doubt
[04:36] <imbrandon> lifeless, huh ?
[04:36] <imbrandon> i totaly missed the point on that last statement hehe
[04:37] <imbrandon> hrm there really should be a way to undo an epoc to get back in sync
[04:38] <imbrandon> ( version wise )
[04:38] <ajmitch> there isn't
[04:38] <ajmitch> nothing trumps an epoch
[04:38] <Fujitsu> Except a higher epoch, which may occur in the next couple of decades.
[04:38] <imbrandon> lol
[04:39] <imbrandon> Same version in Debian and Ubuntu : 0 packages  <--- thats sad
[04:40] <lastnode> imbrandon, there are no dapper packages yet, but im assuming you're running edgy :P
[04:41] <imbrandon> ok can someone explain the debian gwenview versioning thinking to me ?
[04:41] <imbrandon> feisty but yea
[04:41] <imbrandon> :)
[04:41] <lastnode> imbrandon, heh, post python transition, then cool :-)
[04:44] <imbrandon> gwenview 1.4.0~debian.1-1 	1.4.0-0ubuntu2
[04:44] <imbrandon> wtf is that
[04:44] <Fujitsu> Is that two seperate version numbers/
[04:44] <Fujitsu> *?
[04:44] <imbrandon> yes
[04:45] <imbrandon> debian ubuntu
[04:45] <Fujitsu> OK.
[04:45] <Fujitsu> They're deranged.
[04:45] <imbrandon> man
[04:45] <imbrandon> why cant people stick to the normal way of versioning
[04:45] <Fujitsu> It looks like it's a special Debian upstream version. :S
[04:46] <imbrandon> it looks like they ripped the ubuntu version becouse we p[ackaged it first and put ~debian screwing things up
[04:47] <imbrandon> instead of 1.4.0-1.1 like it should have been
[04:47] <minghua> so is gwenview 1.4.0 released or not?
[04:47] <Fujitsu> 1.4.0-1, you mean?
[04:47] <minghua> if yes, then the debian version number is weird
[04:47] <imbrandon> err yea
[04:47] <Fujitsu> Any idea what difference is there between the two upstream tarballs, imbrandon?
[04:47] <minghua> if not, the ubuntu version number is wrong
[04:47] <imbrandon> minghua, yes its released many weeks ago
[04:48] <imbrandon> minghua, even if it wasent released the debian version would be wrong
[04:48] <minghua> imbrandon: why?
[04:48] <imbrandon> it would be 1.3.9xxxxxxxx
[04:49] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: No, the new standard would be 1.4.0~fsdfsdfsdfklsdjflsdkfjlsdf
[04:49] <Fujitsu> (where that is arbitrary text)
[04:49] <minghua> imbrandon: maybe it's a cvs/svn snapshot
[04:49] <imbrandon> standard for what ? beta , rc ? its not labled that way
[04:50] <imbrandon> minghua, there is no ~svn2006xxxx
[04:50] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Then 1.4.0~YYYYMMDD, or 1.4.0~rXX
[04:50] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, exactly
[04:50] <imbrandon> not ~debian
[04:50] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[04:50] <minghua>      + Upstream now splits the translations out into their own tarball.
[04:50] <minghua>        This is by no means a bad thing, but to avoid having a package stuck
[04:50] <minghua>        in NEW this close to a release, I'm gluing them back in for the
[04:50] <minghua>        moment. Once a releasable package is in Etch, I'll adopt upstream's
[04:50] <minghua>        practices. Hence the wacky package version.
[04:50] <Jozo-> 1.4.0-1 is in experimental
[04:50] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[04:50] <minghua> the debian maintainer has a perfect reason
[04:50] <Fujitsu> Thankyou minghua.
[04:51] <Fujitsu> Normally you wouldn't use ~ for that sort of thing, but this is a very special case, so it's suitable.
[04:51] <crimsun> sheesh, > 70k bugs already
[04:51] <imbrandon> man
[04:51] <minghua> he wants to repackage the source, and he also want it to be < 1.4.0 -- as I said, a perfect reason
[04:53] <imbrandon> imho 1.4.0-1~debian would have been saner but i'm not the DD
[04:53] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: No.
[04:53] <minghua> you want either ~debian1 or ~debian.1
[04:53] <imbrandon> yes 1.4.0-1 > 1.4.0-1~debian
[04:54] <imbrandon> or yes 1.4.0-1 > 1.4.0-1~debian.1
[04:54] <Fujitsu> The ~XXX has to go before the hyphen.
[04:54] <imbrandon> or yes 1.4.0-1 > 1.4.0-1~debian1
[04:54] <minghua> ah, I misread imbrandon
[04:54] <minghua> imbrandon: the source tarball version need to be different
[04:54] <Fujitsu> minghua: precisely.
[04:54] <minghua> you have xxx-1.4.0~debian.1.orig.tar.gz in this case
[04:55] <minghua> and you can safely upgrade to xxx-1.4.0.orig.tar.gz
[04:55] <imbrandon> _ not - , but yea
[04:55] <imbrandon> i see
[04:55] <minghua> yeah, _
[04:56] <LaserJock> arggg, FORTRAN
[04:56] <imbrandon> either way an new orig.tar.gz has to be uploaded so i really see no diffeence though
[04:56] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: What is?
[04:56] <LaserJock> I've got to figure out how to use this fortran data fitting program tonight
[04:57] <minghua> imbrandon: you want the xxx_1.4.0.orig.tar.gz to be the same one as the upstream one, the *debian*.orig.tar.gz to be repacked one, not vice versa
[04:59] <imbrandon> true
[04:59] <imbrandon> hrm looks like glibc hit feisty today, maybe it will open soon
[05:00] <ajmitch> hopefully today or so
[05:00] <Fujitsu> Sounds good.
[05:02] <milc> hehe
[05:02] <milc> i can't wait for feisty
[05:02] <imbrandon> milc, 6 months :)
[05:03] <milc> imbrandon, don't remind me! ;D
[05:03] <milc> I hope all sabdfl has been talkin about in his blog gets put together
[05:04] <milc> pretty pretty pretty
[05:05] <imbrandon> pretty < stable / working
[05:07] <ajmitch> we need to get things stable first, edgy hasn't got a good reputation now
[05:07] <ajmitch> so many bugs..
[05:07] <imbrandon> exactly
[05:08] <milc> i didn't mean unstable
[05:08] <crimsun> but pretty ponies > bugs!
[05:08] <Fujitsu> milc: Pretty often implies unstable.
[05:08] <imbrandon> crimsun, ehehe
[05:08] <Fujitsu> Especially when there are Beryls involved.
[05:09] <milc> heh, right now it means unstable, but it shouldn't
[05:09] <minghua> saying it shouldn't doesn't help though
[05:10] <milc> i by no means implied it did
[05:10] <imbrandon> milc, no it really always has if you think about it , pretty is always considered the newest untested code, e.g. beryl, once beryl becomes stable it will be old hat and something else will be "pretty"
[05:10] <milc> hmm, that's an interesting way of viewing things
[05:11] <milc> I don't in general see it that way, but your point is valid
[05:11] <milc> Well, I'll rephrase, I hope we get some pretty stability! :D
[05:12] <imbrandon> stable bling, heh is that an oxymoron ?
[05:13] <milc> I hope one day it isn't.  Then again I'm easy to please as far as bling goes, i find edgy gorgeous...
[05:13] <milc> but not in snazzy graphic effects like xgl+compiz or anything like that, just pretty in general
[05:13] <tritium> but buggy, nonetheless
[05:13] <imbrandon> yea pretty slow and unstable :)
[05:14] <milc> I haven't really experienced any bugs since just before the release
[05:14] <milc> but i hear there are lots
[05:14] <ajmitch> how could you say such a thing, imbrandon? ;)
[05:14] <imbrandon> heh
[05:14] <tritium> milc: I have
[05:15] <imbrandon> once i can run it on my i810 with a 2.9ghz celeron and 1.5 gig ram at the same speeds as i currently have with kwin I'll advocate it for default
[05:15] <imbrandon> but i dont think that day is soon
[05:16] <crimsun> it's coming next week!
[05:16] <Fujitsu> crimsun: I heard it was tomorrow!
[05:16] <ajmitch> crimsun: we believe you
[05:16] <imbrandon> heh
[05:16] <ajmitch> really
[05:18] <imbrandon> ajmitch, how was it on you x86 ?
[05:18] <imbrandon> your*
[05:20] <milc> runs fine on my x86, I'm actually pleased with gnome on here
[05:21] <milc> but i'm easy to please
[05:21] <imbrandon> its pretty unbearably slow for day to day use on here with gnome or kde
[05:22] <imbrandon> and i dont have *that* slow of a computer
[05:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: not too slow with nearly everything turned off
[05:22] <imbrandon> heh
[05:22] <imbrandon> i dident try to turn most of it off
[05:22] <ajmitch> animations were the worst
[05:23] <milc> imbrandon, wow, that stinks, mine is a 1.5 GHz pentium M with 512 MB RAM
[05:23] <crimsun> I'm happy enough with simple transparency
[05:23] <imbrandon> all i want is tranparency , wobbly windows, and the cube
[05:23] <imbrandon> everything else can go
[05:23] <Fujitsu> All I want is screen :P
[05:23] <imbrandon> lol
[05:24] <milc> lol
[05:24] <imbrandon> brb food
[05:24] <tritium> wobbly windows make me dizzy
[05:24] <tritium> I'd settle for evolution giving me appointment alarms
[05:25] <milc> hehe
[05:25] <milc> wobbly windows get really annoying imo
[05:25] <milc> when you wanna line everything up they're always wobblin
[05:25] <milc> it's like trying to line up a bunch of 5 year olds
[05:34] <imbrandon> wonder how many universe packages will be affected by that kernel change
[05:35] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: We should be able to find out fairly quickly.
[05:37] <imbrandon> well i mean the split in linux/if_*.h
[05:37] <imbrandon> my guess is there isnt many universe packages that depends on that but i could be wrong
[05:37] <Fujitsu> I meant that as well.
[05:38] <imbrandon> yea just makin sure you dident think i meant just a new version :)
[05:43] <_MMA_> I wonder if theres gonna be any girls there? :)
[05:43] <_MMA_> Or just a buncha geeky white guys. :)
[05:43] <_MMA_> Crap.Im a tard. :_)
[05:44] <crimsun> there will be women, there, of course
[05:44] <crimsun> a number of community people, like yourself
[05:44] <crimsun> some canonical staff
[05:44] <crimsun> some developers
[05:45] <_MMA_> I was talkin with Joe. I just have a picture in my head. :)
[05:45] <lastnode> crimsun, you're missing from #upstream! and we just rolled out .debs too :P
[05:46] <ajmitch> _MMA_: what a question to ask...
[05:46] <joejaxx> me being there should be interesting
[05:46] <joejaxx> lol
[05:46] <_MMA_> ajmitch: Why because I like some scenery?
[05:47] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, wow it does take a nice little while to run though a large set of packages
[05:47] <ajmitch> because you sound like a sad, desperate geek :)
[05:47] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Yeah.
[05:47] <ajmitch> & 'scenery'?
[05:47] <imbrandon> _MMA_, yea considering thats not really approperate for a developers summit
[05:47] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:47] <_MMA_> HA! No. Im a married one who like to get in fights. :)
[05:48] <joejaxx> LOl
[05:49] <crimsun> I can just see Hobbsee with her pointy stick of doom.
[05:49] <joejaxx> hobbsee is going to be there?
[05:49] <crimsun> if so, you're in trouble
[05:50] <joejaxx> lol
[05:50] <imbrandon> joejaxx, no hobbsee wont be there this time
[05:50] <_MMA_> imbrandon: Just because your there for the summit doesnt mean it has to be all stuffy and business.
[05:50] <joejaxx> imbrandon: :(
[05:50] <joejaxx> that is unfortunate
[05:51] <_MMA_> I know what Im there for. Im still gonna have a good time.
[05:51] <imbrandon> _MMA_, very true , but i doubt picking up on woman is one of my "secondary" goals either
[05:51] <crimsun> I've got all my hot chicks in /media/usbdisk/.../kernels/dapper/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c anyhow.
[05:52] <_MMA_> Oh No. I didnt say anything about "picking up on woman". I just would like it if all I have to look at is a bunch of geeky white guys. :)
[05:52] <_MMA_> imbrandon: Especially in your current situation.
[05:52] <imbrandon> i'm green , does that count ?
[05:53] <_MMA_> If you were a girl, then call me James T Kirk.
[05:53] <crimsun> green from using beryl or green from what beryl causes?
[05:53] <_MMA_> Geeky enough for ya?
[05:53] <imbrandon> the latter crimsun heh
[05:56] <_MMA_> HA! I missed the spelling above. :)
[05:57] <_MMA_> *wouldnt
[06:02] <imbrandon> LaserJock, rockin , got it working
[06:02] <imbrandon> now just to tweak it a bit
[06:02] <imbrandon> http://federation.imbrandon.com/feisty/html/all.html
[06:03] <imbrandon> more than 100 not in debian , wow
[06:03] <LaserJock> imbrandon: cool
[06:03] <Fujitsu> Aha!
[06:03] <Fujitsu> VMWare works a lot better when I turn CPU frequency scaling off.
[06:04] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: 135 is quite impressive.
[06:04] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, in vmware or the host ?
[06:04] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Host.
[06:04] <minghua> imbrandon: that can't be right... I am sure debian has those l10n kde packages...
[06:06] <minghua> I think I see
[06:06] <imbrandon> ugh wtf
[06:06] <minghua> imbrandon: are kde-i18n-xx separate source packages in ubuntu?
[06:06] <imbrandon> i dont think so
[06:06] <imbrandon> might be
[06:07] <imbrandon>  /dev/sdb1               60G    60G      0 100% /media/devel
[06:07] <imbrandon> ;(
[06:07] <imbrandon> something ate my drive up overnight
[06:07] <crimsun> it starts with a 'p' and ends with an 'r'
[06:08] <minghua> in debian all kde-i18n-xx stuff are built from source package kde-i18n, just FYI
[06:08] <imbrandon> probably but the only thing thats on a cron is pbuilder-<dist> update
[06:15] <imbrandon> ugh somethings not right
[06:16] <crimsun> well, don't put my pony in /media/devel kthx
[06:16] <crimsun> of course you'll run out of disk space
[06:16] <Fujitsu> :O
[06:16] <crimsun> bah
[06:16] <imbrandon> wellt he only thing thats on /media/devel is my pbuilders
[06:16] <crimsun> check the apt cache
[06:16] <joejaxx> lol
[06:17] <imbrandon> but /media/deve/sid is reporting a size of 70GB+ when the partition is only 60gb
[06:17] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: That's very good of it.
[06:17] <minghua> sparse files
[06:17] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: mounted stuff?
[06:17] <Fujitsu> Or sparse files.
[06:19] <imbrandon> holy fskin hell
[06:19] <imbrandon> i found out why
[06:20] <imbrandon> *groans* well i know the reason , but not why
[06:20] <crimsun> like I said, if you had just shipped bddebian's pony to me instead of holding it hostage...
[06:20] <imbrandon> hahah
[06:21] <imbrandon> http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss115.png  , about 5 screens of that
[06:21] <crimsun> hah
[06:21] <Fujitsu> HAHAH.
[06:21] <Fujitsu> Very good.
[06:22] <imbrandon> heh yea
[06:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: impressive
[06:22] <imbrandon> time for a reboot and to check my cron, i bet its becouse of the cronjob i set but i dunno why
[06:22] <LaserJock> what is that?
[06:22] <imbrandon> LaserJock, thats from the mount command
[06:22] <imbrandon> all those /proc shouldent still be mounted
[06:22] <LaserJock> oh geeze
[06:23] <imbrandon> and pts
[06:23] <crimsun> I wasn't far from the truth of it.
[06:23] <crimsun> :)
[06:23] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:23] <imbrandon> well i have ....
[06:23] <imbrandon> 0 *     * * *   brandon pbuilder-edgy update
[06:23] <imbrandon> 0 *     * * *   brandon pbuilder-sid update
[06:23] <imbrandon> 0 *     * * *   brandon pbuilder-dapper update
[06:23] <imbrandon> 0 *     * * *   brandon pbuilder-feisty update
[06:23] <imbrandon> in cron
[06:24] <imbrandon> but i guess thats not a good idea
[06:24] <LaserJock> why would that do that?
[06:24] <minghua> I see unmounted sys and proc fs by pbuilder too
[06:24] <imbrandon> no idea
[06:24] <minghua> but not often
[06:24] <imbrandon> minghua, yea but i have about 100+ of them
[06:25] <imbrandon> not good
[06:25] <crimsun> if pbuilder's interrupted, they won't be umounted.
[06:25] <imbrandon> i havent rebooted in 2 weeks anyhow , bout time for a clean boot
[06:25] <crimsun> I've gotten that precise symptom before
[06:25] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't use cron for anything :/
[06:25] <imbrandon> heh i use cron for a ton of stuff
[06:26] <imbrandon> its the one thing i miss when i'm on windows
[06:26] <minghua> it's still hard to believe just unmounted proc can eat up 60G harddrive, though
[06:26] <crimsun> LaserJock doesn't even know what he's missing with launchd ;)
[06:26] <imbrandon> thankfully i'm not on windows long enough to use cron
[06:26] <Fujitsu> I miss screen (and a reasonable CLI) when I'm on Windows.
[06:26] <minghua> (at least hard for me)
[06:26] <imbrandon> yea launchd is great on OSX
[06:27] <minghua> I miss the possibility to use "LC_CTYPE=XX program" to change locale
[06:27] <imbrandon> heh i only speak fluent english ( barely ) so i never use that
[06:27] <crimsun> I speek irc reel gud.
[06:28] <imbrandon> :)
[06:28] <imbrandon> ok well time for a reboot, back in a sec
[06:31] <Fujitsu> u du crimsun? i du 2!
[06:32] <Fujitsu> Eek.
[06:32] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: behave :)
[06:33] <Fujitsu> You won't harm the poor cute little pony!
[06:33] <Fujitsu> Sorry:
[06:33] <ajmitch> yes I will
[06:33] <Fujitsu> u wont hrm the pur cute ltle pny.
[06:33] <ajmitch> hm
[06:33] <Fujitsu> Damnit, I left a couple of vowels in there.
[06:33] <ajmitch> should I kick or remove?
[06:34] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: But think of the poor pony!
[06:34] <LaserJock> darn it, I hate my advisor's programming
[06:34] <LaserJock> no comments
[06:34] <crimsun> "the source is documentation enough!"
[06:35] <LaserJock> insists on running things by putting some cryptic sequence of numbers and "/" to tell the thing to run
[06:35] <LaserJock> I have no idea how to make this program run
[06:36] <Fujitsu> It's Fortran?
[06:36] <minghua> sounds a pretty standard scientific Fortran program :-)
[06:37] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:37] <LaserJock> he didn't want me to "waste my time" writing it in Python
[06:38] <LaserJock> but I'm pretty sure I could have written it in the time it's taking me to figure out how to make this thing run
[06:39] <Fujitsu> My father has stuff he uses most days written in various combinations of IDL, Fortran, Python and Tcl :S
[06:40] <bhale> damn right tcl
[06:44] <imbrandon> hrm
[06:45] <imbrandon> the /media/devel/*/build dirs are huge too
[06:45] <imbrandon> i wonder how that cron could have caused it
[06:45] <crimsun> Tcl, arrr
[06:47] <LaserJock> oh man, it did something!
[06:48] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Incinerated your machine?
[06:48] <LaserJock> I gave it 0/0/0/0/
[06:54] <milc> 8/6/7/5/3/0/9
[06:55] <milc> 9/0/2/1/0/
[06:56] <milc> that executed the "close Czessi connection" application
[06:59] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:59] <LaserJock> can Daniel real be up that early?
[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[06:59] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Seems like it.
[06:59] <LaserJock> yikes
[06:59] <Fujitsu> dholbach: Evening.
[06:59] <LaserJock> I guess
[06:59] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[07:00] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it's not possible, surely
[07:00] <dholbach> hey Fujitsu, ajmitch
[07:00] <dholbach> LaserJock: it's 07:00
[07:00] <ajmitch> dholbach: when do you fly?
[07:00] <dholbach> at my end of the world
[07:00] <ajmitch> it's 19:00 at my end of the world
[07:00] <LaserJock> 22:00 in mine
[07:01] <dholbach> ajmitch: tonight, rent a car, drive 800km to my parents place, drop the dog. tomorrow, leave with the car early, pick up mvo, fly from Frankfurt at 14:00 or something
[07:01] <ajmitch> right :)
[07:01] <ajmitch> that's a long way for you to drive to drop off a dog :)
[07:01] <imbrandon> wow
[07:02] <imbrandon> i dont leave for another 26 or so
[07:02] <dholbach> i'll be away for 2,5 weeks
[07:02] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you live a lot closer
[07:02] <imbrandon> ajmitch, true
[07:02] <imbrandon> only a 5 hour flight
[07:02] <ajmitch> 12 hour flight from AKL->SFO
[07:03] <imbrandon> well actualy 2 hour then 3 hour
[07:03] <imbrandon> connect in denver
[07:03] <imbrandon> thats a good thing for the plane , catch up on email
[07:03] <imbrandon> :)
[07:04] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I have a 5 hr drive :/
[07:05] <LaserJock> 2 hr drive and then 3, that's weird
[07:05] <imbrandon> yea driving sucks, 5 hours isnt toooo bad though
[07:05] <imbrandon> haha
[07:05] <imbrandon> when i drive from nasville tn to reno nv, it was a nightmare
[07:05] <imbrandon> never again
[07:05] <LaserJock> yucky
[07:05] <LaserJock> we drive up to Montana every Christmas
[07:05] <imbrandon> me , my wife ( 7 months pregnate ) and a 1 year old son from nashville to reno in a rider
[07:06] <LaserJock> 1000 miles
[07:06] <imbrandon> never ever ever again
[07:06] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:06] <imbrandon> 2100 for nashville --> reno
[07:06] <LaserJock> yeah, that's nasty
[07:06] <imbrandon> we stoped in stl , kc, lincon, and saltlake
[07:07] <imbrandon> well stoped for the night, we stoped lots of places
[07:08] <LaserJock> heh
[07:08] <LaserJock> we do it in one day when we go to MT
[07:08] <LaserJock> but we don't have kids, just a cat
[07:08] <imbrandon> heh
[07:08] <imbrandon> yea that helps , plus a car rides alot better than a rider truck
[07:08] <LaserJock> argh, I'm going to tear out my hair (not that I have much left anymore)
[07:09] <LaserJock> this Fortran thing is killing me
[07:09] <imbrandon> heh
[07:09] <imbrandon> my dad programed in frotran and cobal for years
[07:09] <imbrandon> fortran*
[07:10] <imbrandon> on mainframes though mostly
[07:10] <imbrandon> and ibm 360's and the like
[07:10] <ajmitch> I have to code in php
[07:11] <imbrandon> heh my last non contact job was php coding , i actualy like php
[07:11] <imbrandon> contract* gah
[07:12] <imbrandon> from 2000 to 2005 or so
[07:12] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: I trump you. I have tcl code
[07:12] <ajmitch> ouch
[07:12] <imbrandon> for prudential real estate
[07:12] <ajmitch> how do you sleep at night?
[07:13] <imbrandon> but now they use Yahoo! and got rid of all us in-house guys :(
[07:15] <imbrandon> ahh back to sane sizes , yay \o/
[07:15] <imbrandon>  /dev/sdb1               60G   3.6G    53G   7% /media/devel
[07:16] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[07:17] <Fujitsu> Aha. BIND decided it wasn't going to handle requests for a domain, because it had a journal that was bad. How nice of it.
[07:18] <imbrandon> heh
[07:18] <Fujitsu> It wouldn't want to actually log that anywhere, of course.
[07:22] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: was it you who made that gnash deb?
[07:22] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, yea
[07:22] <imbrandon> when feisty opens i'm going to upload it there but i have it now if you wanna try ti
[07:22] <Burgundavia> no, I have it
[07:22] <Burgundavia> I have removed it, but I moved the .so by hand
[07:23] <Burgundavia> and now I can't find it
[07:23] <imbrandon> ahh yea with the first one i made you ahde to do that, it should be in /var/lib/firefox iirc
[07:23] <imbrandon> err
[07:25] <imbrandon> in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[07:25] <imbrandon> is where is should be
[07:25] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, ^
[07:27] <Burgundavia> right
[07:28] <imbrandon> if you want a newer svn snapshot and a deb that put stuff in the right place http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/gnash-0610301925/gnash_0.7.1+svn20061030-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[07:28] <imbrandon> ( source is there too if your on ppc /amd64 )
[07:29] <imbrandon> btw ajmitch you ever have time to eyeball that ? or crimsun ? i would like to get an opinion or two on it before feisty opens
[07:29] <imbrandon> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3367
[07:33] <imbrandon> oh wow never mind, someone packaged it in debian too since edgy
[07:34] <Fujitsu> GOES!
[07:34] <imbrandon> bah
[07:35] <imbrandon> ajmitch, can you nuke my gnash upload then please on tiber ( or tell me howto )
[07:57] <surimi> hi
[07:58] <surimi> I try to install Kino but I have this message error "Depend: libraw1394-8  but it is not installable". On Dapper. In fact the paquet's name is : 0.90.2.3vIubuntu (dapper). Is it a bad backport from Edgy?
[07:58] <surimi> How can I repear the dependancies and install it on Dapper?
[07:58] <crimsun> !info libraw1394-8
[07:58] <ubotu> libraw1394-8: library for direct access to IEEE 1394 bus (aka FireWire). In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 68 kB
[07:58] <crimsun> !info libraw1394-8 dapper
[07:58] <ubotu> Package libraw1394-8 does not exist in dapper
[07:58] <crimsun> !info kino dapper
[07:58] <ubotu> kino: Non-linear editor for Digital Video data. In component main, is extra. Version 0.80-1ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 1071 kB, installed size 3616 kB
[08:02] <imbrandon> anyone looked into what this Novel and MS thing really means ?
[08:03] <ajmitch> we won't know for awhile
[08:05] <surimi> crimsun, I understand know, my sources.list should contain a incomplet deposit
[08:05] <surimi> * now
[08:06] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: can't really be sure
[08:06] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: I would read what luis villa posted, plus the link to the matt asays post
[08:06] <Burgundavia> both are very clueful
[08:06] <surimi> crimsun, perhaps can we have a backport to Dapper?
[08:06] <dholbach> surimi: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/i386/kino/0.80-1ubuntu7 is the version in dapper
[08:06] <dholbach> and it depends on libraw1394-5
[08:07] <dholbach> 0.90.2.3vIubuntu is not even in ubuntu yet
[08:08] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, yea i read what luis posted not matt yet? matt whom ?
[08:08] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: luis links to it
[08:08] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[08:09] <imbrandon> i read the pr release from novell it reall just said runing virtualized os , that just seems like xen to me but i have a feeling its something more
[08:09] <surimi> dholbach, so no backport is possible?
[08:09] <dholbach> surimi: you seem to refer to a version that is not in Ubuntu yet (at all)
[08:10] <dholbach> so I'm not sure where you have it from
[08:10] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: the general issue seems to revolve around patents. Novell could end up in a world of pain
[08:10] <surimi> I edit my sources.list
[08:11] <imbrandon> yea
[08:13] <imbrandon> the one and only good i see about this is the few that havent heard about linux this will now get it on their toungs
[08:14] <jsgotangco> amen
[08:14] <Burgundavia> this can actually hurt us (non-Novell people)
[08:14] <surimi> dholbach, http://pastebin.ca/235460
[08:14] <imbrandon> hahah Burgundavia have you seen the lkml post from markey that jdub linked to ?
[08:14] <Burgundavia> people assume this need to buy "legit Linux"
[08:15] <imbrandon> quote : "It's official. Microsoft and Novell will now fork Linux."
[08:15] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: not yet
[08:15] <imbrandon> man i'm glad to be honest i moved from suse to ubuntu when i did now
[08:15] <dholbach> surimi: you have an awful lot of unofficial repositories
[08:15] <jsgotangco> yes your soul is saved!
[08:16] <dholbach> surimi: you need talk to their respective owners
[08:16] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, yea i have a strange feeling it will hurt the pure gpl stuff in the short and long term
[08:16] <dholbach> surimi: apt-cache policy kino         might help finding who's reponsible for the alternate version of kino
[08:16] <imbrandon> probably honestly the AD stuff first, so we need to get acting soon
[08:17] <surimi> dholbach, ok I see, thanks for all the commands
[08:17] <imbrandon> as that will probably be one of the first things they will make work "right" and it will be non-gpl i'm guessing
[08:18] <imbrandon> i knew this day would come sometime, i just dident expect it this soon or from novel
[08:18] <Burgundavia> they already have edirectory
[08:18] <Burgundavia> it is closed source
[08:18] <Burgundavia> nothing has changed on that front
[08:18] <imbrandon> ahh
[08:18] <Burgundavia> edirectory is from their netware days. it predates AD
[08:19] <imbrandon> i honestly figured redhat would do something close to this before novel , but novel is an old world company so i guess it makes sense
[08:19] <surimi> 3v1n0.tuxfamily.org is guilty :p
[08:19] <Burgundavia> red hat doesn
[08:19] <Burgundavia> t need MS
[08:19] <Burgundavia> read what Matt Asay said
[08:19] <imbrandon> ahh surimi the beryl sources.list
[08:19] <imbrandon> it bites again
[08:20] <surimi> the best is to comment the line?
[08:20] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, got a direct link ?
[08:20] <whiprush> http://asay.blogspot.com/2006/11/microsoft-and-novell-much-ado-about.html
[08:20] <imbrandon> surimi, imho its best not to use repos from untrust worthy places, and nothing against the beryl guys but to me that dosent fall into the "trusted" sources
[08:20] <imbrandon> for me
[08:21] <imbrandon> as they have non-beryl stuff in the same repo
[08:21] <imbrandon> as you just noticed
[08:21] <imbrandon> whiprush, thanks
[08:22] <ajmitch> hello whiprush
[08:22] <whiprush> hi guys
[08:22] <surimi> ok it's the best I can do
[08:22] <Burgundavia> hey whiprush
[08:28] <imbrandon> ajmitch, whom did you say was flying with you ? mpt and ?
[08:28] <Burgundavia> hey Hobbsee
[08:28] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[08:32] <Hobbsee> hi Burgundavia, imbrandon
[08:32] <ajmitch> imbrandon: infinity is on the same flight
[08:32] <ajmitch> good evening miss hobbs
[08:32] <ajmitch> how are you?
[08:32] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[08:33] <Burgundavia> http://lwn.net/Articles/207438/ <-- rofl
[08:33] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: good.  i now own two laptops :)
[08:33] <ajmitch> oh?
[08:34] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, nice
[08:34] <imbrandon> you finaly load the dualcore with kubuntu :)
[08:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: not yet.  i'm about to
[08:35] <imbrandon> heh me too
[08:35] <StevenK> Me three.
[08:36] <imbrandon> 800mhz ppc , with 640mb ram, and a 30gig hdd, but it gets the job done for what i need
[08:36] <imbrandon> the only thing i even remotely dont like about it is no mic or mic jack, but thats really no big deal
[08:37] <imbrandon> i could probably get a usb headset if i really wanted
[08:38] <imbrandon> other than that it suits me just fine, just not a speed demon but is a work horse when i make it
[08:38] <imbrandon> :)
[08:39] <imbrandon> heh get on a US schedule ?
[08:39] <ajmitch> nah
[08:39] <imbrandon> i bet that will bite some people
[08:39] <ajmitch> so that I can catch the bus
[08:39] <ajmitch> only 3 hours difference for me
[08:40] <imbrandon> its -2 for me, not that big of a deal
[08:40] <imbrandon> err maybe -3 ? /me looks
[08:40] <imbrandon> no -2
[08:42] <imbrandon> looks to be 6 of us at the airport ajmitch, lifeless is on elk's flight
[08:43] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yes, I told her that :)
[08:43] <imbrandon> ahh :)
[08:43] <ajmitch> depends if he wants to wait at the airport or not
[08:44] <imbrandon> yea
[08:45] <ajmitch> and every time I try to write packing, I end up writing packaging
[08:45] <imbrandon> heh i started about 2 hours ago
[08:45] <imbrandon> LOL
[08:45] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, :(
[08:46] <elkbuntu> havent asked him yet, he's gone to dinner
[08:47] <imbrandon> kwwii's renting a car too when he gets there but it wont be till sat evening
[08:48] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: that is annoying
[08:49] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: very annoying
[08:49] <ajmitch> hm, looks like it'll be almost the same weather there as in dunedin today
[08:51] <imbrandon> i just hope its warmer than here
[08:51] <imbrandon> i'm fskin freezing
[08:51] <TheMuso> Burgundavia: I feel your pain.
[08:51] <ajmitch> ~20C for the next few days
[08:52] <Burgundavia> TheMuso: not going either?
[08:52] <LaserJock> imbrandon: 100F > 32F ;-)
[08:52] <TheMuso> Burgundavia: No, unfortunately.
[08:52] <imbrandon> LaserJock, haha
[08:52] <Burgundavia> 70 F == 20 C
[08:52] <imbrandon> nice
[08:52] <imbrandon> 70 is good
[08:53] <imbrandon> 30's and 40's here isnt
[08:53] <Burgundavia> anybody else having issues with sound with the totem plugin?
[08:54] <imbrandon> e.g. 0 to 4 C
[08:54] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, i dont use it much but yesterday when i was i dident
[08:54] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: looks like it might jsut be .mov
[08:55] <imbrandon> i cant fire the amd64 up right now ( the only thing with pure ubuntu on it ) or i would check again but i dont rember any issues
[08:55] <imbrandon> but then again i dont think i was watching mov's they were mpeg
[08:57] <Burgundavia> ok, gstreamer test media works
[09:08] <LaserJock> darn, it's midnight and I still haven't figured this stupid thing out
[09:09] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:09] <jsgotangco> take a break
[09:13] <LaserJock> it reads in the parameters, and then it asks me for them
[09:13] <LaserJock> I don't get it
[09:15] <ajmitch> imbrandon: so I take it we're meeting in the BART station at the airport?
[09:15] <imbrandon> yea
[09:16] <imbrandon> the one on level 3 , not the garage
[09:16] <imbrandon> ( just so we're at the same entance )
[09:16] <ajmitch> right, so at the entrance
[09:16] <ajmitch> makes sense :)
[09:16] <ajmitch> I guess I should wear an ubuntu shirt or something
[09:16] <imbrandon> heh i have no ubuntu t-shirt
[09:17] <jsgotangco> wohooo
[09:17] <imbrandon> but i'll have my green baseball cap on that saus turkey :)
[09:17] <imbrandon> says*
[09:17] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: is easy to find, anyway
[09:18] <StevenK> Just look for someone tall carrying a sheep.
[09:18] <ajmitch> sure I am :P
[09:18] <imbrandon> LOL
[09:18] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[09:18] <ajmitch> haha
[09:19] <imbrandon> ugh Seveas you awake yet ?
[09:19] <imbrandon> i found a falcon bug / problem / something
[09:20] <ajmitch> http://www.flickr.com/photos/magicfab/58053224/
[09:20] <ajmitch> found a photo
[09:20] <StevenK> Who's the charmer next to you?
[09:20] <imbrandon> right or left ?
[09:20] <imbrandon> heh
[09:21] <StevenK> imbrandon: Right.
[09:21] <ajmitch> phython sticking his tongue out..
[09:21] <imbrandon> kk
[09:21] <ajmitch> I wonder if he'll be there, I think he works at the googleplex
[09:21] <imbrandon> i think i've shown you this before but here is me http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/all.gif
[09:22] <ajmitch> yeah I've seen your happy face
[09:22] <imbrandon> lol
[09:22] <jsgotangco> hah
[09:22] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: wow so you're actually going
[09:22] <ajmitch> yes
[09:23] <LaserJock> I don't think there is a decent pic of me anywhere on the internet
[09:23] <Hobbsee> am i crazy, or does gnumeric not do .ods?
[09:23] <Hobbsee> ie, saving to it
[09:23] <ajmitch> LaserJock: not yet :)
[09:23] <Seveas> imbrandon, malone is always awake for that
[09:23] <LaserJock> ajmitch: it's a good thing
[09:23] <StevenK> Hobbsee: You're probably crazy.
[09:23] <ajmitch> LaserJock: just wait
[09:24] <imbrandon> Seveas, well its only about recompiling the html templates for the new chetah or something
[09:24] <Hobbsee> hah
[09:24] <imbrandon> Seveas, AssertionError: This template was compiled with Cheetah version 0.9.16. Templates compiled before version 2.0rc6 must be recompiled.
[09:24] <Seveas> imbrandon, known
[09:24] <imbrandon> ahh can i fix localy ?
[09:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I really have to make sure I pack my camera
[09:24] <Seveas> imbrandon, sudo chetah-compile /usr/share/falcon/orange.tmpl
[09:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch: me too :/
[09:24] <imbrandon> Seveas, rocking man , thanks
[09:25] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea i dont have a digital camera anymore, mine died last week
[09:25] <imbrandon> :(
[09:25] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: lock your laptop :)
[09:26] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: put a chain on your wallet :)
[09:26] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I'll leave everything at home
[09:26] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: yeah, I need to try & pickup a lock for it
[09:26] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: actually better yet, my wife's coming so I can give everything to her
[09:27] <imbrandon> hrm no chetah-compile command, you know what package its in ?
[09:27] <imbrandon> Seveas, ^
[09:27] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:27] <Seveas> sorry, it's cheetah-compile
[09:27] <imbrandon> LaserJock, lol
[09:28] <Seveas> not chetah-compile ;)
[09:28] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:28] <imbrandon> yea i'm gonna try to make a template that matches my site today to kill some time
[09:31] <LaserJock> ok, maybe it's time to give up on this program
[09:31] <LaserJock> I'll ask one of my labmates in the morning
[09:31] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:32] <LaserJock> I'm supposed to present the data I fit with it tomorrow at 10:00am
[09:32] <crimsun> on Saturday?
[09:32] <ajmitch> LaserJock: make the data fit the results?
[09:32] <imbrandon> ouch
[09:33] <LaserJock> crimsun: well, technically it's today at 10:00am
[09:33] <crimsun> I have an 0930 for which I'm supposed to prep, but of course I'm squashing Ubuntu bugs instead
[09:33] <LaserJock> crimsun: yes, I'm also supposed to write a departmental colloquia presentation for tomorrow too
[09:34] <crimsun> too much time spent staring at OS X ;)
[09:34] <LaserJock> but this stupid Fortran program is causing me problems
[09:34] <StevenK>  1 file changed, 114 insertions(+), 107 deletions(-)
[09:34] <LaserJock> I haven't started OS X for probably a week
[09:34] <StevenK> Thanks, Glade, I love you.
[09:34] <LaserJock> all Edgy, all the time
[09:34] <crimsun> workaround listed on xubuntu.org
[09:34] <imbrandon> he finaly got ubuntu at work :)
[09:35] <crimsun> -ECHANNEL
[09:35] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:35] <LaserJock> I was noticing today in top that processes were getting 109% CPU
[09:36] <LaserJock> that seems odd to me
[09:36] <imbrandon> dual core ?
[09:36] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:36] <imbrandon> heh
[09:36] <ajmitch> crimsun: yes, it's far too on-topic for us here
[09:36] <LaserJock> so I had 2 processes with 99% each
[09:36] <LaserJock> then 1 died
[09:36] <LaserJock> and the other one then said 109%
[09:37] <imbrandon> heh
[09:37] <ajmitch> how special
[09:47] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, imbrandon sooo... who's confirmed for the train?
[09:48] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: assuming I find you all, me :)
[09:51] <imbrandon> elkbuntu, me you and ajmitch ( possibly mtp and infinity and lifeless depending on what they say )
[09:51] <ajmitch> infinity probably won't
[10:19] <surimi> !info basket
[10:19] <ubotu> basket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[10:20] <surimi> http://basket.kde.org/ <----- so nice, a KDE application...
[10:22] <surimi> we are far to Gnome's Tomboy...
[10:25] <Burgundavia> surimi: far to?
[10:25] <surimi> far from ? :)
[10:26] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:26] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:26] <ivoks> i don't find tomboy usefull
[10:26] <surimi> sudo alien -d surimi :p
[10:26] <imbrandon> knotes does everything i need
[10:29] <Burgundavia> ivoks: took me awhile to integrate it into my workflow
[10:29] <Burgundavia> then it clicked
[10:30] <ivoks> heh
[10:30] <ajmitch> StevenK: ?
[10:30] <Burgundavia> deskbar and beagle are my next targets
[10:34] <LaserJock> sbalnev apparently wrote a deskbar plugin that searches apt-cache
[10:34] <LaserJock> I think that would single handedly convert me
[10:34] <ivoks> :)
[10:34] <ivoks> i agree
[10:43] <surimi> someone can do the deb for Basket, please ? It exist yet for Fedora Core 6
[10:44] <surimi> the sources are here http://basket.kde.org/screenshots.php
[10:45] <surimi> oh it exist yet http://basket.kde.org/download.php oO
[10:45] <LaserJock> surimi: check on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[10:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: already in universe, just needs updated in debian & synced
[10:46] <LaserJock> oh
[10:46] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, ajmitch, lifeless is in for the train :)
[10:46] <ajmitch> ok
[10:47] <elkbuntu> any word from the other two?
[10:48] <ajmitch> infinity said he probably won't
[10:48] <elkbuntu> and no word from mpt?
[10:49] <LaserJock> mpt was talking in #launchpad < 30 min ago
[10:50] <surimi> mr_pouit, tu peux m'expliquer les tapes de la validation d'un deb pour qu'il passe dans Universe ?
[10:51] <surimi> LaserJock, le deb existe dj ici http://basket.kde.org/download.php
[10:52] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: mpt is in
[10:52] <elkbuntu> cool
[10:53] <imbrandon> cool
[10:53] <ajmitch> excellent, so the kiwis should outnumber everyone
[10:53] <imbrandon> LOL
[10:53] <elkbuntu> damn!
[10:53] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I sure hope not
[10:54] <elkbuntu> LaserJock, for the train ride, they will be
[10:54] <LaserJock> I don't think the vegamite revolution should come to Mt. View ;-)
[10:54] <imbrandon> lol
[10:54] <LaserJock> or is that vegemite?
[10:54] <ajmitch> vegemite
[10:54] <elkbuntu> LaserJock, you're lucky, they banned it
[10:54] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: all lies
[10:54] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, they unbanned it?
[10:54] <ajmitch> if it was even banned in the first place...
[10:55] <ajmitch> there were some clarifications issued..
[10:55] <lifeless> gels/liquids were not banned on checked in luggage
[10:55] <lifeless> only on cabin, and for cabins they are now allowed in controlled amounts
[10:55] <ajmitch> in very very small amounts, I was told by the travel agent
[10:55] <elkbuntu> yeah. no individual amount to exceed 90ml, and to be carried in a ziplock bag that cannot hold any more than a litre
[10:56] <imbrandon> yea you can only have liquids in checked luggage, not even stuff like large toothpaste etc, all checked
[10:56] <ajmitch> crazy
[10:56] <lifeless> imbrandon: you can have more than liquids in checked luggage :)
[10:56] <imbrandon> right
[10:56] <imbrandon> i mean carry on
[10:57] <imbrandon> you cant
[11:00] <LaserJock> yeah, that's too bad. I've never checked luggage before
[11:01] <LaserJock> always stuffed everything in a tiny suitcase for carryon
[11:02] <elkbuntu> you guys know if i'd be able to get on board with laptop bag and handbag?
[11:02] <lifeless> http://www.unitedairlines.com.au/qenglish/TSA/index.html?navSource=UnitedNews&linkTitle=TSA&pos=1
[11:02] <imbrandon> should, i'm taking my alppy carry on
[11:02] <elkbuntu> i called the airline, but got some guy with a thick accent from i dont know where, so i got no idea what i was told :|
[11:05] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: flying which airline?
[11:05] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: should be ok
[11:05] <elkbuntu> United Airlines
[11:05] <Burgundavia> no problem
[11:05] <Burgundavia> just don't take excessive hand luggage
[11:05] <Burgundavia> one small bag and your laptop bag is good
[11:06] <LaserJock> oh man, last time I flew. there was this older couple that had these like full size suit cases
[11:06] <Burgundavia> however, expect to take your laptop out at security
[11:06] <Burgundavia> so plan for that
[11:06] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I have no idea how they get away with that
[11:06] <elkbuntu> ok i can live with that
[11:07] <StevenK> The last time I flew I was asked to boot my laptop.
[11:07] <elkbuntu> i'll just get it out and put volume up as high as it can go so the airport echos with ubuntu :D
[11:07] <ajmitch> StevenK: really? I never have had that
[11:07] <Burgundavia> I have had them swipe it
[11:07] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yeah, they were just standing there stuffing and stuffing. took up at least twice as much as there were supposed to
[11:07] <ajmitch> StevenK: should I show off beryl to them if they ask? ;)
[11:07] <Burgundavia> for explosives, that is
[11:07] <StevenK> ajmitch: It only happened once, at Singapore Airport.
[11:07] <StevenK> ajmitch: Heh. :-)
[11:07] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: right, I've had the explosive residue check once
[11:08] <Burgundavia> canadian security seems to do that a lot more
[11:08] <ajmitch> yeah, I think it was in canada
[11:08] <ajmitch> can't recall
[11:08] <ajmitch> too many airports
[11:13] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: why are you still up?
[11:14] <LaserJock> got too much to do before leaving
[11:14] <lifeless> ajmitch: so where are we meeting ?
[11:14] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: you could also say "I could ask the same of you"
[11:15] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: of course, but I figured a single guy like you wouldn't have anything better to do then stay up until the AM playing with computers ;-)
[11:16] <Burgundavia> touche
[11:16] <LaserJock> I have a curfew ;-)
[11:16] <elkbuntu> lol
[11:16] <Burgundavia> ah, yes, the non-single life
[11:17] <ajmitch> lifeless: SFO BART station entrance, level 3
[11:18] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, i think imbrandon is going to wait for us and we go up together
[11:19] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: as I understand it
[11:19] <lifeless> ajmitch: what time are we meeting ?
[11:20] <ajmitch> my flight gets in at 11:15, when's yours?
[11:20] <elkbuntu> 9:42
[11:20] <ajmitch> quite a wait
[11:20] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, is 10:??
[11:21] <elkbuntu> i've written down both flight numbers
[11:21] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, is mpt on your flight?
[11:21] <imbrandon> 10:10 is the exact time
[11:21] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: yes
[11:21] <imbrandon> i say it will be about 10:30 by the time i get off the plane etc
[11:22] <lifeless> lvl 3 of the BART, or lvl3 of the airport ?
[11:22] <imbrandon> the BART entrance is on lvl 3
[11:22] <imbrandon> of the airport
[11:27] <LaserJock> ok, I think I've had enough
[11:27] <LaserJock> good night people
[11:27] <imbrandon> night LaserJock
[11:38] <elkbuntu> well im off now, see you guys there :)
[11:38] <imbrandon> cya :)
[11:40] <ajmitch> I suppose it's about time to sleep
[11:41] <ajmitch> once I grab some stuff off the laptop
[11:41] <imbrandon> yea same here, i think its time for a nap then i'll finish packing
[11:41] <ajmitch> suitcase is barely half full
[11:41] <imbrandon> welp if i dont catch you on irc before you leave lifeless / ajmitch , have a safe flight
[11:41] <ajmitch> you too
[11:42] <StevenK> Oh that's right, imbrandon has to get up at like 3am
[11:42] <imbrandon> yea me too probably but who knows heh
[11:42] <imbrandon> yea
[11:42] <imbrandon> i have to be at the airport at 4am and its an hour and 15 minutes drive from here
[11:42] <imbrandon> heh
[11:43] <imbrandon> so about exactly ~24 hours for me
[11:43] <imbrandon> err 22
[11:43] <imbrandon> oh well, off to sleep i go, later yall
[11:45] <ajmitch> it's really funny how plugging in my phone into my laptop, rhythmbox starts, and it appears as something like an ipod
[11:45] <imbrandon> lol
[11:45] <ajmitch> only has 64MB mini-SD card, so not really that useful
[11:46] <imbrandon> your phone has an SD card?
[11:47] <luisbg> ajmitch, cool
[11:48] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:50] <imbrandon> hrm StevenK your on a amd64 right ?
[11:50] <StevenK> Yup.
[11:51] <imbrandon> mind compiling something in pbuilder for me read fast? its small , i just need the deb's
[11:51] <StevenK> Nope. Fire away.
[11:51] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/dists/edgy/gnash/
[11:51] <imbrandon> dsc is there ^^
[11:51] <imbrandon> one source package , makes like 4 debs
[11:52] <DarkMageZ> imbrandon, how far has gnash gotten in the last month?
[11:52] <imbrandon> i have i386 and powerpc but i wanna put amd64 debs up too before i goto bed
[11:52] <imbrandon> DarkMageZ, its useable, not the greatest but useable
[11:52] <StevenK> imbrandon: *nods*
[11:52] <imbrandon> DarkMageZ, if your on i386 or powerpc you can grab the debs from that same url to try it if you like
[11:53] <DarkMageZ> sounds like it's making progress
[11:53] <imbrandon> StevenK, thanks man
[11:53] <StevenK> :-P
[11:53] <imbrandon> heh
[11:54] <ajmitch> StevenK: he'll never learn the Queen's English
[11:54] <StevenK> ajmitch: Indeed.
[11:54] <StevenK> imbrandon: Building.
[11:54] <StevenK> QUILT?! You bastard!
[11:54] <imbrandon> rockin, it builds in aobut 10 minutes here ( including the dep stuff )
[11:54] <ajmitch> crap
[11:55] <imbrandon> hey i dident do it, thats from debian
[11:55] <ajmitch> reminder, never run baobab on a large filesystem with little RAM free
[11:55] <StevenK> Heh
[11:55] <imbrandon> i had it packaged way way diffrent till i syncd with them
[11:55] <lifeless> baobab needs tuning
[11:55] <StevenK> I note the Build-Depends are huge.
[11:56] <imbrandon> yea it really only needs very few if you only make the firefox plugin
[11:56] <imbrandon> but all that other stuff ;(
[11:56] <imbrandon> my package only made the firefox plugin, but then someone beat me to it in debian so i figured might as well sync it
[11:57] <imbrandon> and it makes the koqui plugin the standalone player and soemthing else
[11:57] <imbrandon> plus the firefox plugin
[11:57] <StevenK>  -> Considering  libgstreamer0.10-dev | libgstreamer0.8-dev
[11:57] <StevenK>  -> Considering  libgstreamer0.10-dev
[11:57] <DarkMageZ> it's not imbrandon's fault. that's debian as well
[11:57] <StevenK> Neat.
[11:58] <DarkMageZ> i remember bringing those same debian packages to edgy
[11:58] <StevenK> Fetched 44.3MB in 5s (7751kB/s)
[11:58] <StevenK> Yummy.
[11:58] <imbrandon> here was __MY__ build depends before i grabbed debian's
[11:58] <imbrandon> Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 5.0.0), libgtkglext1-dev, libboost-dev, libgstreamer0.10-dev, libgl1-mesa-dev, libpng12-dev, libjpeg62-dev, libmad0-dev
[11:59] <imbrandon> tons better
[11:59] <StevenK> Agreed, but I'm still going to shoot you. :-P
[11:59] <DarkMageZ> i wish i could get even 1000kB/s
[11:59] <imbrandon> heh
[12:00] <imbrandon> the one nice thing it runs out of process so if it does crash it dont take the browser with it
[12:00] <imbrandon> unlike the "real" flash
[12:06] <luisbg> ajmitch, why don't you put a bigger sd card in your phone? can your phone play music with earphones?
[12:14] <ajmitch> luisbg: because it came with this one, and I haven't had a need
[12:15] <luisbg> ajmitch, if you have an ipod, it makes no sense
[12:17] <ajmitch> no, I don't
[12:20] <imbrandon_> wow i just noticed a ton of stuff come accross -changes, wont be long now
[12:21] <StevenK> imbrandon: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/gnash/
[12:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon_: ABI rebuild
[12:22] <imbrandon_> StevenK: you rock thanks ( grabbing now )
[12:22] <imbrandon_> ajmitch:  yea i seen
[12:22] <lastnode> imbrandon, we're rolling in some final bugfixes. debs should be ready to go by Monday
[12:22] <lastnode> UDS is 5th november, yes?
[12:22] <imbrandon_> lastnode: yes
[12:23] <lastnode> wait, ill get it done by Saturday (tomorrow, for me)
[12:24] <lastnode> imbrandon_, http://upstreamdev.org/wiki/Releases/0.1.0 <-- has *almost ready* .debs btw, in case you didn't get the link
[12:24] <imbrandon_> lastnode: yes i got them and have them in my repo
[12:24] <lastnode> imbrandon_, awesome. ill ping when the final ones are out.
[12:26] <luisbg> can someone confirm me python-qt4 has unmet dependencies?
[12:27] <StevenK> luisbg: On Edgy? No, it installs fine.
[12:27] <luisbg> StevenK, on feisty?
[12:27] <luisbg> python-sip4 is giving me problems
[12:27] <StevenK> I wouldn't even attempt it at this point.
[12:28] <StevenK> Wait until feisty is unfrozen.
[12:28] <luisbg> ok
[12:28] <lastnode> imbrandon_, pm?
[12:29] <imbrandon_> sure, do it on this name though i'm heaed to sleep soon :)
[12:33] <luisbg> StevenK, when a dirty unmet dep is  in apt's way and doesn't want to install anything else... how can I fix it?
[12:34] <imbrandon_> dpkg --configure -a
[12:34] <imbrandon_> sudo ^
[12:35] <luisbg> imbrandon, thanks! =)
[12:35] <luisbg> nope... still broken
[12:35] <Hobbsee> you have to fix the dep first, or uninstall the package, usually
[12:36] <imbrandon_> yea what Hobbsee  said ^ i assumed you did that
[12:37] <ajmitch> night
[12:37] <StevenK> No problem.
[12:37] <TheMuso> Hey all. Do any of you think its really worth going for Debian dev, and having to go through a year's worth of stuff just to do so?
[12:38] <imbrandon_> btw thanks to StevenK there is amd64 gnash now in my repo is you wanna give it a spin
[12:38] <imbrandon_> TheMuso: i planned on it "someday"
[12:38] <luisbg> Hobbsee, uninstall with apt-get remove or what?
[12:39] <TheMuso> StevenK: You were just lucky.
[12:39] <Hobbsee> luisbg: yes
[12:39] <luisbg> it says it isn't installed
[12:43] <Mez> what command can i use to concetenate 2 diffs?
[12:45] <geser> cat
[12:47] <Mez> combinediff ;)
[01:03] <fernando> morning all
[01:08] <SlimG> is it possible to create a source package with checkinstall?
[01:10] <TheMuso> SlimG: Not that I know of.
[01:10] <TheMuso> As it is, checkinstall is frowned upon here.
[01:11] <TheMuso> I don't have the URL handy, but if you wish to learn to package, I suggest reading the Ubuntu packaging guide.
[01:12] <SlimG> TheMuso: thanx, i'm practicing to howto package, i using checkinstall to understand how stuff works
[01:12] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:12] <TheMuso> It might be better to look at a source package.
[01:12] <SlimG> TheMuso: what's the final command for creating a *.deb the right way?
[01:13] <TheMuso> Then you learn how stuff works, and learn how Ubuntu/Debian packaging works.
[01:13] <fernando> SlimG: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/
[01:13] <TheMuso> Usually something like debuild or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot.
[01:13] <TheMuso> Make sure you have fakeroot installed.
[01:13] <TheMuso> But most of us use pbuilder.
[01:14] <bhale> pbuilder should be required
[01:15] <SlimG> TheMuso: thanx for the help, i'm one step further now, evolution here i come :)
[01:15] <TheMuso> evolution?
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[03:32] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:10] <joejaxx> good morning motus :D
[04:10] <lophyte> hey joejaxx
[04:11] <joejaxx> hello lophyte
[04:11] <lophyte> how's it going?
[04:11] <joejaxx> it is going well
[04:11] <luisbg> hey
[04:11] <joejaxx> luisbg: you are here too? lol
[04:11] <luisbg> shouldn't I?
[04:11] <joejaxx> :)
[04:11] <luisbg> ;)
[04:11] <luisbg> joejaxx, I've got a problem
[04:12] <joejaxx> luisbg: what is that?
[04:12] <luisbg> let me recreate it
[04:13] <luisbg> when I do apt-get -f install ... python-sip4 doesn't want to install
[04:13] <luisbg> dpkg: error al procesar /var/cache/apt/archives/python-sip4_4.4.5-2ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[04:13] <luisbg>  intentando sobreescribir `/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sipconfig.py', que est tambin en el paquete python2.4-sip-qt3
[04:14] <joejaxx> hmm interesting
[04:15] <joejaxx> luisbg: edgy?
[04:15] <joejaxx> or dapper?
[04:15] <luisbg> edgy
[04:16] <luisbg> actually when the problem started I was usings feisty's main :S
[04:16] <luisbg> but changed it to edgy
[04:16] <joejaxx> lol
[04:19] <luisbg> any way to fix it?
[04:19] <luisbg> need apt
[04:21] <joejaxx> well it says that the file is in python-sip4 is also in python2.4-sip-qt3 right?
[04:23] <joejaxx> you in #u-s too :P
[04:23] <luisbg> yes
 well it says that the file is in python-sip4 is also in python2.4-sip-qt3 right? <--- YES
[04:27] <joejaxx> luisbg: lol i am talking to you in two channels :P
[04:27] <luisbg> joejaxx, it's getting confusing LOL
[04:27] <joejaxx> yes it is
[04:31] <joejaxx> luisbg: remove the qt package
[04:31] <luisbg> python-qt4: Depende: python-sip4 (>= 4.4.5) pero no va a instalarse
[04:31] <luisbg>               Depende: python-sip4 (< 4.5) pero no va a instalarse
[04:31] <luisbg>   python-sip-qt3: Depende: python2.4-sip-qt3 (>= 3.10.2-1.1ubuntu1) pero no va a instalarse
[04:32] <luisbg> after I did sudo apt-ger remove python2.4-sip-qt3
[04:32] <joejaxx> :\
[04:32] <luisbg> any apt-get I do... shouts that
[04:32] <luisbg> which is ironic because I need apt-get to solve that
[04:33] <joejaxx> luisbg: did you try installing feisty packages?
[04:33] <joejaxx> before?
[04:33] <joejaxx> when you had the feisty repo open?
[04:34] <joejaxx> or did you just change the deb line
[04:34] <joejaxx> and nothing else
[04:34] <luisbg> I had been using the feisty main for like two days
[04:35] <luisbg> I changed the apt sources
[04:35] <joejaxx> and you are switching back?
[04:35] <joejaxx> :(
[04:35] <luisbg> because it was recommended to me to go back until is unfrozen
[04:36] <joejaxx> did they tell you what to do with already installed feisty packages?
[04:36] <luisbg> joejaxx, no
[04:37] <bhale> you can pin the distro in apt
[04:38] <luisbg> bhale, pin?
[04:39] <bhale> http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[04:39] <bhale> make the priority of edgy higher than feisty
[04:46] <luisbg> bhale, did, let's check the apt-get -f install
[04:52] <luisbg> bhale, still same problem after pining
[04:52] <bhale> is there a problem
[04:52] <bhale> or you want to be forced down to edgy?
[04:53] <luisbg> I just want to resolve the dep problem of my apt to be able to use it
[04:53] <luisbg> preferebly in edgy
[05:25] <luisbg> can someone confirm me that in package python-qt4 of edgy it really says...
[05:26] <luisbg> package depends... "python-sip4 (>= 4.4.5), python-sip4 (<< 4.5)"
[05:26] <luisbg> just apt-get source downloaded it and can't believe it
[05:26] <luisbg> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/python/python-qt4 ----> the same
[05:27] <luisbg> is "<<" the same as "<"?
[05:34] <fernando> can I to build a package with debian directory a symlink to other directory?
[05:37] <sivang> fernando: AFAIK, yes
[05:38] <fernando> dpkg-source: cannot represent change to debian:
[05:38] <fernando> dpkg-source:  new version is symlink
[05:38] <fernando> dpkg-source:  old version is nonexistent
[06:11] <joejaxx> :D hello everyone
[06:11] <joejaxx> it has been quiet today :\
[06:13] <pradeep> hi joejaxx
[06:13] <joejaxx> hello
[06:14] <zul> i think most people are traveling today
[06:14] <joejaxx> pradeep: today's attempt today is to make a settings package
[06:14] <zul> or starting to do
[06:14] <ajmitch> yep
[06:14] <joejaxx> zul: ah ok
[06:14] <pradeep> joejaxx, settings package?
[06:14] <joejaxx> yes
[06:14] <pradeep> enlighten me please :)
[06:14] <joejaxx> like *-default-settings
[06:15] <joejaxx> or ubuntu-default-settings
[06:15] <joejaxx> i need to create one of those and an artwork package
[06:16] <pradeep> if installed would restore everything to default ? as in CD ?
[06:17] <joejaxx> pradeep: well settings for applications
[06:17] <joejaxx> like for fluxbuntu
[06:18] <joejaxx> the fluxbox menu is setup a certain way
[06:18] <joejaxx> that whould be setup with the fluxbuntu-default-settings package
[06:18] <joejaxx> having the fluxbuntu logo on wdm instead of debian
[06:19] <joejaxx> or having*
[06:20] <joejaxx> pradeep: do you see what i mean?
[06:21] <pradeep> yep, so this would be like a restore thingy if something goes bad with the apps right?
[06:22] <pradeep> joejaxx, that would be helpful
[06:23] <joejaxx> pradeep: well yes i guess if you messed up your fluxbuntu menu you could reinstall the package
[06:25] <joejaxx> pradeep: is stuff like that normal handled by the desktop package?
[06:25] <joejaxx> pradeep: i as told i needed a *-default-settings package
[06:29] <pradeep> joejaxx, sounds a bit new ... I dunno...what apps would you include?
[06:30] <joejaxx> pradeep: it whould just hold the configurations
[06:33] <joejaxx> pradeep: are settings normally handled by the *-desktop package?
[06:33] <joejaxx> pradeep: maybe i was informed incorrectly
[06:34] <joejaxx> bah
[06:36] <pradeep> i think *-desktop is just a meta package ... no settings
[06:36] <pradeep> too late :P
[06:36] <joejaxx> i should stop talk
[06:36] <joejaxx> talking
[08:16] <superm1> is there something similar to REVU for getting things into main/restricted?
[08:17] <luisbg> superm1, ubuntu-dev?
[08:18] <slomo_> superm1: stuff goes to universe/multiverse first and then after writing an main inclusion report and getting it approved it is moved to main
[08:18] <superm1> okay thats what i thought it might be
[08:19] <superm1> what about things with questionable licensing - those "sidestep" cases describe in ubuntu.com/licensing
[08:19] <slomo_> will most probably go to multiverse/restricted then
[08:19] <slomo_> what exactly are you packaging?
[08:20] <superm1> well i am going to get ivtv-firmware packaged up
[08:20] <superm1> and i'm waiting back from hauppauge with written permissions
[08:26] <superm1> slomo_, if hauppauge only provides verbal permissions though, will that be enough?  or do i have to make sure i have it in writing?
[08:31] <imbrandon> superm1, it actualy has to be released in a license that allows redist
[08:31] <imbrandon> not just permission
[08:31] <imbrandon> becouse of derivitives etc
[08:31] <superm1> well i talked with the person hosting it at ivtvdriver.org
[08:31] <superm1> and they said redist is okay
[08:31] <superm1> but they dont have written permissions for it
[08:31] <imbrandon> anyone that gets ubuntu has to have the right to alose redist , or anyone that make a ubuntu based distro must also have that right
[08:32] <superm1> even for restricted stuff?
[08:32] <imbrandon> right but it needs to be totaly clear
[08:32] <superm1> well i talked on the phone today briefly with hauppauge about it.  they are going to get back to me via email
[08:33] <superm1> I sent them a copy of amtel-firmware's copyright file asking for something similar back
[08:36] <superm1> imbrandon, about the exclusivity - what if we get a license allowing ubuntu and derivatives - is that too exclusive still?
[08:41] <imbrandon> superm1, i'm not a laywer but i dont think so except in special cases bartered by canonical ( firefox is the only known case of this becouse its soooo high profile )
[08:41] <imbrandon> sorry i'm in and out, i'm leaving for the airport soonish
[08:42] <imbrandon> so i'm packing last minute etc :)
[08:42] <superm1> oh yea today is off to MTV :)
[08:42] <imbrandon> yup i leave in about 9 hours
[08:42] <imbrandon> :)
[08:42] <superm1> well i'll be in contact with hauppauge the next week.  i'll see if i can settle it with them then
[08:42] <imbrandon> superm1, sweet yea, i would LOVE to see this happen, we just have to be carefull
[08:43] <imbrandon> you know what i mean
[08:43] <superm1> at very worst, ivtv-firmware can wget from ivtv-driver.org
[08:43] <superm1> as a fallback option
[08:43] <Burgwork> superm1: that is what the flashplayer does
[08:43] <superm1> similar to how the flash plugin does
[08:43] <superm1> yea
[08:43] <imbrandon> well i'm thinking we MIGHT be able to setup something like the flashplugin-nonfree in multiverse
[08:43] <imbrandon> right
[08:45] <imbrandon> wb corey
[08:45] <superm1> imbrandon, did you sort out getting that branch together?
[08:45] <Burgwork> bloody sound breaks after 48 hours
[08:46] <imbrandon> superm1, no sorry i dident , i've been so busy with getting my travel stuff clear
[08:46] <imbrandon> i'll try to do so asap
[08:46] <superm1> when you get a moment, if your busy getting travel stuff together, thats a bigger priority
[08:46] <imbrandon> Burgwork, just stops working ? is maybe the palyer your using have a mem leak? just a shot in the dark
[08:47] <Burgwork> imbrandon: not, something todo with dbus and hal
[08:47] <imbrandon> ahh
[08:47] <Burgwork> loses the fact that the player is there
[08:47] <Burgwork> might be our closed source multiseat crap as well
[08:47] <imbrandon> ouch, not good
[08:48] <imbrandon> superm1, yea hosnetly i figure i'll have time to do it this week after hours from the BoF's
[08:49] <imbrandon> at the hotel or something, i think as long as we get it done before we upload new versions feisty we're ok
[08:49] <imbrandon> which will be a few days anyhow
[08:50] <superm1> oh i didnt realize feisty was opening up so soon
[08:51] <imbrandon> yea , the toolchain is almost complete , infact somethings have already been rebuilt
[08:51] <imbrandon> for an ABI change that was made
[08:51] <superm1> did we make a big jump on gcc versions?  I was assuming that we were starting with edgy versions
[08:51] <superm1> and glibc versions
[08:52] <imbrandon> yea https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/
[08:53] <imbrandon> you might want to subscribe to the feisty-changes ML or Seveas's RSS feed for it
[08:53] <superm1> do you have a link for Seveas's RSS feed?
[08:53] <superm1> good to watch this thing
[08:53] <imbrandon> hrm one sec
[08:53] <Seveas> media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss
[08:54] <imbrandon> http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/feisty.xml
[08:54] <superm1> Thx
[08:54] <imbrandon> yea
[08:54] <imbrandon> moins Seveas, heading out soon ?
[08:55] <Seveas> 7 hours
[08:55] <imbrandon> cool, about the same here ( 9 or so )
[09:37] <CarlFK> how would I go about finding if anyone is packaging http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/gui-tools/5.0.html
[09:38] <Burgwork> CarlFK: look for ITPs in debian
[09:38] <Burgwork> ask around here
[09:38] <CarlFK> what is an ITP?
[09:38] <Burgwork> intent to package
[09:39] <CarlFK> thanks
[09:42] <LaserJock> Burgwork: we'll turn you into a MOTU yet :-)
[09:42] <bddebian> heh
[09:42] <Burgwork> LaserJock: good luck trying
[09:43] <LaserJock> Burgwork: there is this Tcl app that sounds like a perfect learning project ;-)
[09:43] <Burgwork> right
[09:44] <LaserJock> Burgwork: have you tricked, I mean enticed, anybody to package that yet?
[09:44] <Burgwork> not yet
[09:46] <LaserJock> well, I'd rather package for openUserful then Userful
[09:46] <Burgwork> userful paid you, and openuserful can't
[09:50] <LaserJock> Burgwork: I'd still rather package for openuserful
[09:50] <Burgwork> LaserJock: well this tcl code I have is openuserful!
[09:50] <LaserJock> yep
[09:50] <Burgwork> I have even have a shiny press release to prove it :)
[09:50] <LaserJock> if I have time I'd like to help out
[09:51] <LaserJock> but as you probably know, my free time is pretty used up
[09:52] <LaserJock> uggg, that cochicken thing is nasty
[10:05] <LaserJock> oh, how nifty, firefox won't quit
[10:06] <LaserJock> doh, I had another window on a different desktop
[10:08] <imbrandon> heh
[10:10] <LaserJock> imbrandon: now when are all of you ( you and the AU/NZ contingent) going to hit SF?
[10:11] <lifeless> ~1000 AM SF time
[10:11] <lifeless> I get in a 0942, stip at 1000 precisely,
[10:12] <lifeless> ajmitch at 1115
[10:12] <imbrandon> yea all our flights get there from 942 to 1115
[10:12] <lifeless> s/stip/stub/
[10:12] <lifeless> and we're meeting at the BART station lvl 3
[10:12] <imbrandon> lifeless, and elk at 942 , me at 1010 and ajmitch and mpt at 1115
[10:13] <imbrandon> moins lifeless
[10:18] <LaserJock> imbrandon: ok and that's Saturday, right?
[10:18] <imbrandon> yea
[10:19] <imbrandon> ( tomarrow morning )
[10:19] <imbrandon> for us, not sure what it means to them ( later today ? )
[10:20] <LaserJock> I was just trying to see how early I should get over there
[10:20] <imbrandon> my plane leaves in about ~12 hours , but i have to be at the airport sooner
[10:20] <LaserJock> I might try to hop over to the hotel when I get in to say hello
[10:20] <imbrandon> cool
[10:21] <imbrandon> yea ajmitch is in mtv actualy not sunnyvale but he said something about somming over to the hotel maybe sat night
[10:21] <imbrandon> for a while
[10:21] <imbrandon> s/somming/comming
[10:21] <LaserJock> yeah, similar here
[10:22] <LaserJock> I think I'm the closest to Google HQ ;-)
[10:22] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:22] <imbrandon> when are you supose to get there ?
[10:22] <LaserJock> well, this afternoon/evening I'm driving to Sac
[10:22] <imbrandon> we will likely be at the hotel about noon or soon after
[10:23] <LaserJock> but I haven't figured out when we'll drive from Sac to Mt. View
[10:23] <imbrandon> ahh
[10:23] <LaserJock> hopefully not when the traffic is nasty
[10:23] <LaserJock> but it's always nasty so...
[10:23] <imbrandon> yea leave right after morning rush would be good, then you wont have to worry about it till quitting time
[10:23] <imbrandon> but saturday shouldent be terrible
[10:24] <LaserJock> yeah, if people are going to be around I'll go earlier
[10:24] <LaserJock> if nobody was going to be there until Sat. night I wasn't going to worry about it
[10:25] <LaserJock> but I don't have much time so I want to make the most of it
[10:25] <LaserJock> ouch
[10:25] <imbrandon> yea we should all get there arround noon to the hotel, depending on how long ajmitch and mpt are in customs
[10:25] <LaserJock> Yahoo has an Internet Addiction story right now
[10:25] <bhale> im an internet addict
[10:25] <bhale> whats the cure?
[10:25] <LaserJock> I made 7 out of 8 on the checklist
[10:25] <imbrandon> lol yea i would probably get 8 of 8
[10:26] <imbrandon> or 7 of 8
[10:26] <LaserJock> I'm too cheap to buy computer equipment
[10:26] <imbrandon> whats the url ?
[10:26] <bhale> i meet 6 of those
[10:26] <bhale> i dont lie or deny it
[10:26] <LaserJock> imbrandon: http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/6574
[10:26] <LaserJock> well, I guess I don't deny it
[10:27] <LaserJock> but I probably shrink my computer time down in my head
[10:27] <LaserJock> "I haven't been on long" = 8 hrs
[10:27] <bhale> im on 8 hours at work
[10:27] <bhale> and most of the evening
[10:27] <imbrandon> heh i meet all but 1 and 8
[10:29] <LaserJock> heh, I like this comment: "three words...WORLD OF WARCRAFT"
[10:30] <imbrandon> heh when i was looking if the airport had hotspots , thats sad considering i wont be there more than 1 or 2 hours tops
[10:30] <imbrandon> :)
[10:30] <bhale> i cant help but pay for airport wifi
[10:30] <bhale> i was in Boston for 30 minutes tops
[10:30] <bhale> $8
[10:30] <imbrandon> heh
[10:30] <bhale> my credit card floats out of my pocket
[10:31] <imbrandon> i might in SFO waiting for everyone to show up
[10:31] <imbrandon> but not in denver most likely as i'll only be there 1 hour
[10:31] <bhale> i hope your ipod is charged
[10:31] <imbrandon> but then again who knows LOL
[10:31] <LaserJock> I'm just too broke to spend money on wiki
[10:31] <LaserJock> wifi
[10:31] <imbrandon> yup yup its fully charged, made sure of that
[10:31] <bhale> its $8
[10:32] <bhale> DO IT
[10:32] <LaserJock> that's a lot of money though :-0
[10:32] <imbrandon> alot for 30 minutes yea
[10:33] <imbrandon> and considering i only have $200 for the week heheh
[10:34] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:34] <LaserJock> well, I shoulda spent more money when I went to Paris
[10:35] <bhale> i spent $100 in australia
[10:35] <bhale> on cabs
[10:35] <LaserJock> instead some punk got most of it :(
[10:35] <bhale> mark does a very nice job of taking care of things
[10:35] <imbrandon> yea i heard that
[10:36] <imbrandon> heh my mt dew addiction i will spend $100 on just that :)
[10:36] <imbrandon> LOL
[10:36] <imbrandon> i can live without wifi at the airport but not mt dew
[10:37] <LaserJock> shesh
[10:37] <LaserJock> you need a t-shirt, "Mt. Dew in Mt. View"
[10:38] <imbrandon> LOL
[10:38] <imbrandon> i dident even look , are either of the other brandons comming ?
[10:38] <imbrandon> bhale, ?
[10:38] <LaserJock> I want a "I went to UDS Mt. View and all I got was this lousy t-shirt...and a lot of work"
[10:39] <imbrandon> lol
[10:39] <imbrandon> i just want a kubuntu t-shirt
[10:40] <bhale> bhale: no
[10:40] <bhale> uh
[10:40] <bhale> imbrandon: no.
[10:40] <imbrandon> heh ok
[10:40] <imbrandon> welp time to finish packing, probably be back in a bit
[10:42] <LaserJock> packing?
[10:43] <LaserJock> over-achiever!
[10:43] <imbrandon> heh
[10:43] <LaserJock> I just stuff some stuff in a suitcase 30 min. before I have to go
[10:43] <lifeless> yup
[10:43] <lifeless> I just did that
[10:45] <lifeless> imbrandon: whats your mobile # ?
[10:46] <imbrandon> 816-810-3757
[10:47] <imbrandon> 1+ ^
[10:47] <TheMuso> Hey guys.
[10:47] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[10:47] <TheMuso> Hope you enjoy your week.
[10:47] <imbrandon> :)
[10:47] <TheMuso> I really wish I could be there.
[10:48] <theCore> UDS is next week?
[10:49] <imbrandon> theCore, yea most of us are either on the road now or getting ready to be on the road to moutain view now
[10:49] <theCore> you are a bunch of lucky guys :)
[10:50] <theCore> I heard there will be a IRC channel for UDS, is it true?
[10:50] <imbrandon> theCore, YEA THERE IS NORMALY ONE SETUP
[10:50] <imbrandon> gah
[10:50] <imbrandon> sorry caps lock sucks
[10:50] <lifeless> imbrandon: so thats +18168103757 ?
[10:50] <lifeless> imbrandon: or +118168103757 ?
[10:51] <imbrandon> lifeless, yea
[10:51] <imbrandon> no the first
[10:51] <theCore> imbrandon, you should remove it :)
[10:51] <lifeless> let me test :)
[10:51] <imbrandon> +1-816-810-3757
[10:51] <imbrandon> you will get my voicemail probably , its on the charger right now
[10:51] <lifeless> if your phone rings now, its right :)
[10:51] <lifeless> lol, ok
[10:51] <imbrandon> it says my name
[10:52] <lifeless> 'the person you are trying to reach'...
[10:52] <imbrandon> hrm that phone might be not working , one sec
[10:52] <lifeless> yah, no voice mail on that number
[10:52] <DBO> i cant believe you posted your number on irc...
[10:53] <imbrandon> DBO, why not, i had/have it on my website too
[10:53] <imbrandon> not many calls trust me :)
[10:53] <DBO> =)
[10:53] <theCore> will do*
[10:53] <imbrandon> thats the nice thing about "off" on cell phones
[10:53] <DBO> imbrandon, beryl 0.1.2 will be ready soon if you are interested
[10:53] <theCore> bah ...
[10:53] <imbrandon> DBO, rocking, i'll look when i get into mtv
[10:54] <DBO> imbrandon, I'll come back and let you know when its released final
[10:54] <DBO> oh you will be at UDS =)
[10:54] <DBO> fantastic
[10:54] <imbrandon> yes
[10:54] <DBO> I'll see you there
[10:54] <imbrandon> :)
[10:54] <DBO> i was under the impression you were not going for some reason
[10:55] <imbrandon> DBO, yes i leave here in a few hours
[10:55] <TheMuso> c
[10:55] <DBO> well then imbrandon, happy trails!
[10:55] <TheMuso> gar speakup
[10:56] <theCore> will there be a CC meeting during UDS?
[10:57] <imbrandon> lifeless, 1-816-550-7441
[10:57] <imbrandon> i'll take that cellphone
[10:57] <imbrandon> ^
[10:57] <lifeless> kk
[10:57] <imbrandon> theCore, no
[10:57] <lifeless> is that work or personal or you just have two phones for fun ?
[10:57] <imbrandon> i just have two, the first was a prepaid, this is a verizon
[10:58] <imbrandon> both personal
[10:58] <lifeless> testing
[10:58] <theCore> imbrandon, ah, ok
[10:58] <imbrandon> k
[10:58] <lifeless> ringing
[10:58] <lifeless> sweet
[10:58] <imbrandon> works !
[10:58] <imbrandon> said unavible on the caller id, but thats not a big deal :)
[10:59] <imbrandon> :)
[10:59] <lifeless> yah, its handshaking with vodafone in .au
[10:59] <imbrandon> ahh
[11:00] <LaserJock> imbrandon: what provider do you have?
[11:00] <theCore> gotta love the long-distance fees :)
[11:00] <imbrandon> verizon
[11:00] <LaserJock> darn
[11:00] <lifeless> bbiab
[11:00] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ?
[11:00] <LaserJock> I've got cincular, I was hoping I could call you for free ;-)
[11:00] <imbrandon> ahh :)
[11:00] <LaserJock> *cingular
[11:01] <imbrandon> LaserJock, no moible to mobile for free?
[11:01] <LaserJock> for cingular yes
[11:01] <imbrandon> ahh
[11:03] <imbrandon> 65 to 70 degree temps are going to be a welcom change
[11:04] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, my wife's family there don't have ac or heat in their house
[11:04] <LaserJock> imbrandon: and I'm not sure they really have insulation either
[11:04] <imbrandon> wow
[11:05] <LaserJock> they say the pretty much open the windows during the summer and close then during the winter :-)
[11:05] <imbrandon> ok now to really finish packing, back in ~30 min or an hour
[11:05] <imbrandon> heh
[11:06] <tenshu> hi all
[11:07] <tenshu> i would like to upload a package to REVU, can someone re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring?