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[12:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/35
[12:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the patch
[12:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry I left the computer
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[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, and it's too big to go into -updates
[12:37] <Riddell> at least remove the translation and Makefile.in changes
[12:37] <Riddell> but preferably test the changes to each file and see which one is the culprit
[12:38] <Hobbsee> morning all
[12:38] <Riddell> g'day sport
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: too late for this now, I'll do that in the US
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I've prepared feisty packages
[12:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: any news from mornfall ? he doesn't come here anymore
[12:42] <Kryczek> Tonio_: he's on #kde-devel
[12:43] <Kryczek> i mean, these days :)
[12:43] <Tonio_> Kryczek: yes I know, but he used to be here too for more than a year
[12:43] <Riddell> he wants to get round to adept stuff but hasn't the motivation yet
[12:43] <Kryczek> Tonio_: invite him back
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[12:44] <Riddell> mind he also has uni and a job
[12:44] <Hobbsee> which really does get in the way of things, yes
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[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho I know that was not a criticize, just wanted to get infos, that'll all
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[01:37] <nixternal> imbrandon: you around at all?
[01:37] <imbrandon> barely 
[01:37] <nixternal> heh
[01:37] <imbrandon> wasup?
[01:38] <nixternal> quicky
[01:38] <nixternal> whats the status of you pushing koffice?  you still pushing for it?
[01:38] <imbrandon> yes
[01:38] <imbrandon> its a topic for mtv
[01:38] <imbrandon> why?
[01:38] <nixternal> ok..just so you know..im getting my hands on OASIS standard testing templates
[01:38] <imbrandon> great email me the info
[01:38] <imbrandon> if you would
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[01:39] <imbrandon> i'll check it on the plane or in mtv
[01:39] <nixternal> we already know, that koffice needs a lot of work yet to pass the tests i guess..and they are working on it ;)
[01:39] <nixternal> i think the big issues are with presentation based software right now
[01:39] <imbrandon> thats fine, the major thing does itr work well enough for day to day use
[01:40] <nixternal> kword is keeping up test wise, but custom stuff isn't working just great yet..and the issues with ms office garbage
[01:40] <nixternal> it works great for day to day use, but don't do any special formatting and send it to a person using ms office
[01:40] <nixternal> back and forth between koffice and OOo is fine...
[01:40] <nixternal> i have been trying to use it more and more each day
[01:41] <nixternal> but by the time feisty comes out, im guessing they will have a much better grasp on everything
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[01:41] <imbrandon> yup yup, ok i'm headed out, cyall in mtv
[01:41] <nixternal> ;syrt
[01:41] <nixternal> later rather
[01:41] <nixternal> lol
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[02:57] <crimsun> jeroenvrp: no, sorry. 
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[04:12] <nixternal> hrmm..amarok no play ogg for me ;(
[04:14] <Mez> nixternal, did you just install the codecs to make it play Mp3?
[04:14] <nixternal> ya
[04:14] <nixternal> it won't play an ogg stream
[04:14] <Mez> nixternal, it did that to me too... and after trying to play them a few (around 20-30) times, it just worked (a couple of reboots later_
[04:14] <nixternal> nm..it isn't an ogg issue..it is a 'the linux link tech show'
[04:15] <nixternal> im willing to bet feedburner is providing some issue
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[05:31] <nixternal> the postinst and prerm scripts aren't all that great are they ;)
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[08:51] <nixternal> the app AcetoneISO uses the default Edgy wallpaper, interestng
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[11:15] <fdoving> Riddell: do you manage kde4 debian/ directories in bzr or some vcs somewhere?
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[12:14] <fdoving> anyone else had problems with pycentral? I can't remove packages from it. "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'remove_byte_code'" even google isn't usefull for this.
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[01:03] <Hobbsee> for something like https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/70216 is that an invalid bug?  if its' a config file problem...
[01:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70216 in meta-kde "Multimedia keys not working on old profile" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
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[02:06] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
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[02:28] <Hobbsee> work, even
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[02:33] <Mez> Hobbsee, how does it "not work"
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Mez: see -motu
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[06:41] <Mez> what package has qt3to4 in ?
[06:51] <abattoir> Mez: libqt4-dev
[06:52] <Mez> abattoir, found it ;) now I need to downgrade mesa ;)
[06:53] <abattoir> Mez: oh, only saw your message now :)
[06:53] <Mez> tis ok ;)
[06:53] <Mez> yt anyways
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[07:47] <Mez> party in #katapult - new release being made as we speak
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[07:54] <Mez> claydoh, hello
[07:55] <claydoh> hi Mez
=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Mez] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Kubuntu Edgy rocks! | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs | Katapult 0.3.1.4 parteh in #katapult
[07:57] -Mez:#kubuntu-devel- Katapult parteh for the upcoming (in about 20 mins) release of Katapult 0.3.1.4 in #katapult - come join
[07:57] <claydoh> bbiab
[07:58] <fdoving> hmm.. spam :] 
[07:59] <Mez> ;)
[07:59] <fdoving> can it execute commands now? 
[08:00] <Mez> fdoving, no - that'll be in 0.4
[08:01] <fdoving> ok.
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[08:19] <Hawkwind> Ughhhhhhh @ the wallop messages to the entire channel.  How annoying
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[09:37] <fdoving> toma: do you plan to add next/previous message shortcut keys to mailody? Preferably configurable with configure shortcuts.
[09:38] <fdoving> i know i can use right and left but i'm used to + and -.
[09:40] <fdoving> go to next unread, is also a nice feature.
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[09:46] <toma> fdoving: i'll make them configurable
[09:46] <toma> next unread is also high on my list
[09:46] <fdoving> toma: great. thank you :)
[09:47] <toma> fdoving: can you check something for me?
[09:47] <fdoving> toma: sure.
[09:47] <toma> fdoving: can you close, mailody, start it and click on a header
[09:47] <toma> does that initiate a drag immediatly?
[09:48] <toma> seems like the first single click on the first header you click after the start initates a drag for me
[09:48] <fdoving> hmm..
[09:49] <fdoving> I have to expand my inbox in the mailbox tree to get any header to click on.
[09:51] <toma> ah, and if you expand that and click on a folder,and on a header?
[09:51] <fdoving> Can I somehow tell it to start in my inbox of choice? 
[09:51] <toma> not yet
[09:51] <fdoving> yes. that's what I have to do. And when I do that, I don't experience the drag.
[09:51] <toma> ok
[09:52] <toma> does it crash as often as it does for me?
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[09:53] <fdoving> It has issues with huge imap folders.
[09:54] <toma> i   
[09:54] <toma> know ;-)
[09:56] <fdoving> And I really would love to see folder/mailbox subscription.
[09:56] <fdoving> as i have alot of old trash laying around in their folders. :)
[09:59] <toma> would a simple 'hide function' do for you?
[10:00] <toma> i'll have a look anyhow
[10:00] <toma> thanks for the feedback
[10:00] <toma> bbl
[10:04] <fdoving> hide would do it for me, it's basically what it's about. (i think).
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[10:20] <fdoving> toma: something else i use quite often. is right-click on a folder -> 'mark all messages as read'. That would be usefull to me.
[10:20] <toma> yes
[10:20] <toma> i want that as well
[10:21] <fdoving> I like the per-mailbox new mail notification.
[10:22] <fdoving> More usefull than 'You have 123412342134 new mails'
[10:22] <toma> fdoving: good that you like it, i'm still figuring out if this is the best way
[10:23] <toma> buti think i'll keep it this way for now
[10:23] <toma> i'm a bit reluctant to make a systray icon
[10:24] <fdoving> If you somehow can make it say in a userfriendly way that you have 1 new mail in folder A, and 2 new mails in folder B, that would be very very, usefull.
[10:24] <fdoving> like, in the same popup.
[10:24] <toma> you mean the diff between the last popup?
[10:24] <fdoving> hmm.. no.
[10:25] <fdoving> more like 'You have 1 new mail in kubuntu-devel and 2 in kubuntu-bugs'
[10:25] <fdoving> for example.
[10:25] <toma> ah
[10:25] <toma> more natural language
[10:25] <fdoving> Not neccessarily.
[10:26] <fdoving> I just want to know where the new mail is.
[10:26] <toma> it says so
[10:27] <toma> it should read 'You now have 1 new message in core-devel'
[10:27] <toma> or something like that
[10:27] <fdoving> it does.
[10:28] <fdoving> let's say we check for new mail every X minutes. Then a popup telling me that I have 1 new mail in mailbox1 and 2 new mails in mailbox2' would be usefull.
[10:28] <fdoving> instead of one popup per mailbox.
[10:28] <toma> ah
[10:28] <toma> it should do that
[10:29] <toma> the popup is there for 5 seconds
[10:29] <toma> if in that time another mailbox is checked and new messages are found
[10:29] <toma> it will add another line to the popup
[10:29] <fdoving> Ah.. great :)
[10:30] <toma> keep a couple of new messages in a couple of boxes and restart mailody
[10:30] <toma> you can see it then
[10:31] <fdoving> yes. it's exactly what i want :)
[10:31] <fdoving> next, is a ignore-list.
[10:31] <toma> ignore list?
[10:31] <fdoving> list of mailboxes not to send notifications for.
[10:32] <toma> turn off the check mail function ;-)
[10:32] <toma> for that box
[10:32] <fdoving> could probably be combined with the 'hide/subscribe' feature.
[10:32] <toma> if you dont check it, no popup will appear
[10:32] <toma> (unless you explicitly open the folder)
[10:32] <fdoving> ah.. it's a checkbox.
[10:32] <fdoving> nice, then it's perfect :)
[10:33] <toma> YYYEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
[10:33] <fdoving> :)
[10:33] <toma> the checkbox is a bit not obvious
[10:33] <toma> but i've not had a good idea how to fix that
[10:33] <toma> same for delete/undelete
[10:34] <fdoving> is it possible to make a progressbar for fetching mail/headers?
[10:35] <fdoving> syncing folders etc.
[10:35] <toma> yes, but i first want to finalise the way it works now
[10:35] <fdoving> add it to the wishlist :)
[10:35] <toma> i'm thinking of a rewrite of the communication betwen imap and the interface
[10:36] <toma> because now a resync will sometimes get you double entries
[10:36] <toma> i want to fix that
[10:36] <toma> its on my todo list
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[10:37] <toma> same for the slow deletion of multiple messages
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[10:37] <toma> select all
[10:37] <toma> etc
[10:37] <toma> zoom in for html view
[10:37] <fdoving> Hiding mailboxes, and work with huge mailboxes are the two features i'm missing the most.
[10:38] <toma> what are your problems with lasrge boxes?
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[10:39] <fdoving> mailody just crashes using 95+% cpu, i've left it working for hours on mailboxes with 12000-13000 mails.
[10:39] <fdoving> not getting anywhere.
[10:41] <fdoving> <1000 works nicely.
[10:41] <toma> crashing while not doing anything or when you click on an header?
[10:41] <toma> message
[10:41] <fdoving> the headers doesn't appear.
[10:41] <toma> exactly
[10:41] <fdoving> crashing while fetching headers or something.
[10:41] <toma> thats what i'm working on now
[10:42] <toma> it also happens when switching between messages fast on small folders
[10:43] <allee> Hi toma 
[10:43] <toma> hi allee
[10:44] <allee> is 'check new mail' recursive?  I've checked my INBOX an now I get infos about new mail in spam (sub)folder ;)
[10:44] <fdoving> bbl. kid going to sleep.
[10:44] <allee> fdoving: good luck!
[10:45] <toma> allee: no, it should not be
[10:45] <toma> can you check if the checkbox is on for that folder?
[10:46] <allee> toma: no they are not selected
[10:47] <allee> toma: I clicked on one of my spam folders (now folderlist update seem to happen in background: aka now new mail# in (xx) right to folder name.  When (xx) is added I also get a passive popup that informs me about the new mails
[10:48] <allee> s/now new/no new/
[10:48] <toma> can you remove the '//' of line ~1280 '//kdDebug() << "Checkmail for: " << mb << endl'  of qmawidget.cpp
[10:49] <toma> and see what the output is
[10:49] <toma> I'm not sure about the passive popup when you open a folder
[10:49] <toma> it's kind of hard to remove it
[10:50] <allee> toma: maybe but it makes not sense IMHO. When I select a folder I see that there are new messages, no need to get a reminder ;)
[10:51] <toma> but
[10:51] <toma> when you have selected a folder and go and do something else in an other app
[10:51] <toma> do you want to get notified?
[10:51] <toma> for new mail in that folder
[10:52] <allee> mhmm, I never missed it lemme think about about it
[10:52] <toma> join the club ;-)
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[10:59] <yacoob> Greetings. Is there a way to fiddle with already installed package fields?
[11:00] <allee> yacoob: you are asking for trouble
[11:00] <yacoob> allee, possibly. For knowledge first, then it may bring me troubles :)
[11:00] <fdoving> yacoob: yes, /var/lib/dpkg/status
[11:01] <yacoob> situation is: I grabbed a rebuild deb from web to make Picard instal cleanly. Same version number as in kubuntu, so update is pending. I put it on hold, but it doesn't make adept's icon go away :)
[11:01] <fdoving> as allee said, it's asking for trouble.
[11:02] <fdoving> bumping the version in the file, should be ok.
[11:02] <yacoob> and that's exactly what I want to do, if I'd new about adept behaviour, I'd bump it before dpkg -i
[11:02] <allee> toma: mhm does one need --enable-debug=full to get kdebug to write stuff out?
[11:03] <allee> --enable-debug is on but I got 3 popups and no output on konsole
[11:03] <yacoob> voila, done. Thanks :)
[11:03] <toma> allee: hmmm enable-debug should do iirc, but i only use full
[11:03] <fdoving> allee: thanks for the good luck. so far so good. :)
[11:03] <allee> :)  I know it can be a fight :)
[11:03] <yacoob> speaking of which, does reportbug work in [k] ubuntu too, or there's some other tool?
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[11:04] <ryanakca> would it be possible to somehow have ctrl-alt-num(+)/num(-) enabled in feisty? *eyes the +specs in the topic*
[11:06] <allee> ryanakca: as long as these shortcuts don't use randr, they make no sense IMHO
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[11:07] <dudanogueira> hello there! im recording the klettres sounds for pt-br, and would like to test them. So i want to know where the files are, for making a similar structure and to test my recordings. can anyone help me with this task?
[11:08] <ryanakca> allee: xrandr makes my screen go funny... that's why I'm interested in ctrl-alt-num(+)/num(-)... it used to be enabled.. and it would be usefull in times like this where my Monitor & Display in system settings gets broken
[11:09] <ryanakca> dudanogueira: no clue... you'd probably be better off asking in #kde-devel
[11:10] <dudanogueira> ryanakca, is there a way for knowing what files klettres coping and for where?
[11:10] <dudanogueira> like, aptitude showfiles klettres :P
[11:11] <dudanogueira> like: /usr/share/klettres...
[11:11] <ryanakca> oh... download the .deb, and then use mc to view them :)
[11:11] <fdoving> ryanakca: you can map them to execute 'xrandr -s something'.. 
[11:11] <fdoving> for the keys.. that is.
[11:11] <ryanakca> fdoving: in xorg.conf? It was set in there iirc
[11:12] <ryanakca> ctrl-alt-+ went to the next highest resolution and looped, and ctrl-alt-(-) went in the other directin
[11:12] <ryanakca> + = num+, (-) = num-
[11:12] <fdoving> ryanakca: that doesn't use randr,afaik.
[11:13] <ryanakca> it doesn't
[11:13] <fdoving> that's the point. using randr is better.
[11:14] <ryanakca> that's why I'm interested in it.. randr messes up my screen (I end up with green and black vertical stripes, ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't do anything, can't switch to vt, pull the plug type thing)
[11:14] <fdoving> did you set DontZap in xorg.conf ? 
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[11:14] <allee> fdoving: but I've never seen randr working with external monitor on laptops (that when _I_ could make use of it) :)
[11:14] <allee> s/:)/:(/  
[11:14] <ryanakca> I often need to change the resolution after playing bzflag, because bzflag crashes and doesn't put the resolution back...
[11:14] <fdoving> allee: I use it now.
[11:14] <ryanakca> fdoving: no...
[11:15] <toma> allee: can the port settings be a hidden setting? 
[11:15] <allee> toma: no problem for me.
[11:15] <toma> like you can override it like setting the smtpserver as 'smtp.provider.de:33'
[11:16] <allee> toma: oh, but then it would be shown in the dialog (more never-be-documented setting that hidden)
[11:16] <toma> tooltip can hold the construction
[11:17] <fdoving> allee: i can change from 1024x768-clone mode, to 1024x768+1024x768, or 1024x768+1280x1024 as i use most of the time my external monitor is connected. only problem can be some DPI settings when I change from 1024+1280 back to only the laptop screen at 1024.
[11:17] <toma> i dont want to clutter the settings with settings that are weird
[11:17] <allee> toma: but that's fine.  I've thought myself already about parsing smtp server setting for :[0-9] +$
[11:19] <fdoving> toma: does the mail in 'all' include everything, or just the mailboxes you select to checkmail in? 
[11:20] <toma> should do all, but i'm suspecting a bug somewhere
[11:20] <fdoving> the hide/subscribe feature would need to exclude those folders from all too, atleast.
[11:20] <allee> fdoving: my laptop has 1400x1050 and some beamers don't like this.  Maybe I should try edgy if it works now to switch to 1024x768
[11:20] <toma> the counts are off 
[11:21] <ryanakca> fdoving: should I have?
[11:21] <fdoving> allee: what driver do you use? ati?
[11:21] <allee> fdoving: radeon
[11:21] <fdoving> allee: non-fglrx-radeon? 
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[11:21] <allee> fdoving: I'm no game freak. So I was always happy with opensource driver
[11:21] <fdoving> me too.
[11:21] <fdoving> that's a good thing for this.
[11:22] <fdoving> I have a MergeFB setup that works.
[11:22] <fdoving> I can put my xorg.conf online if you want to look at it.
[11:22] <allee> fdoving: of course. that would be nice!
[11:24] <fdoving> allee: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/xorg.conf
[11:25] <yacoob> allright... can anyone explain me this behaviour of konsole?
[11:26] <yacoob> less somefile, press q. The screen gets cleared and I see the prompt. Back with my xterm, after quitting less I had current view of file still on the screen above.
[11:26] <allee> fdoving: thx
[11:26] <yacoob> asked in #kde, and folks' experiences are varied, so it's either an option, or a compile-time flag
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[11:31] <allee> yacoob: when I use less and 'q' it, I see the screen just like before I started less
[11:32] <allee> yacoob: diff is more in TERM, pty settings (I more or less sure ;)
[11:32] <yacoob> allee, exactly the behaviour here.
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[11:32] <yacoob> but I vaguely remember I played with xterm resources back then to get such state...
[11:33] <allee> yacoob: I tried xterm and it's same as in konsole (and I never played with xterm resources)
[11:33] <allee> well, not since I use KDE :)
[11:35] <fdoving> yacoob: less -X somefile.txt
[11:35] <fdoving> make an alias.
[11:36] <ryanakca> packaging question: do all games in main, universe or multiverse have to be installed to /usr/games ? and would it be a bug if they aren't?
[11:37] <fdoving> toma: i'm officialy a mailody fan. i enabled 'checkmail' on my huge folders, and it somehow just fixed itself. doesn't crash, and I have the headers :)
[11:37] <toma> fdoving: hehe ;-) cool
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=== fdoving replaces the kmail shortcut
[11:38] <fdoving> toma: one more thing.. multiple identities.
[11:39] <toma> fdoving: on the list ;-)
[11:39] <toma> but not so entensive as kmail
[11:40] <fdoving> and maybe, default reply from each folder. (if it's easy).
[11:40] <toma> i just need to send out with a different email address
[11:40] <toma> default reply?
[11:40] <fdoving> yes, for example in mailbox 'work' i would like to reply with my 'email@work.com'
[11:41] <toma> ah, ok, nice idea
[11:41] <fdoving> and for all ubuntu mailinglists i would like to reply with the ubuntu.com address. etc.
[11:42] <allee> toma: maybe share identities with kmail?  would be nice. Saves lot of (re)typing
[11:43] <fdoving> share/import once.
[11:43] <toma> allee: well there is a central KDE class for it
[11:43] <toma> allee: as fasr as i saw kmail did not use that
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[11:43] <toma> allee: so i'm not sure what to do
[11:43] <allee> toma: for one or for several identities?
[11:43] <yacoob> fdoving, ha, thanks!
[11:43] <toma> allee: several
[11:43] <yacoob> (but surely, there was something in the terminal settings... :)
[11:44] <allee> toma: use the class!  And bug kmail to use it for KDE4!!!!
[11:44] <toma> allee: yep, i hear you are good at buggin people ;-)
[11:44] <allee> toma: I always failed in kmails case ;)
[11:45] <toma> me too
[11:45] <allee> toma: too many people pester the devels ;)
[11:45] <toma> allee: kmime has switched to lgpl, removed all references to knode, etc
[11:45] <toma> allee: do i need to copy that?
[11:46] <allee> toma: what counts is the kmime code ( (c) and license in mailody.
[11:47] <allee> toma: but because mailody is GPL is makes no diff it kmine is GPL or LGPL
[11:47] <allee> s/it/if/
[11:47] <toma> allee: exactly what i thought, i'll leave it as it is now
[11:48] <allee> BUT :) it all kmime files use now a consistent license it makes life of pkgers easier and save some space in debian/copyright
[11:51] <fdoving> Riddell: kde4 pacakges buildt for ppc at: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/ppc/edgy/kde-3.80.2-ppc/ - I did not include the origs as my upload is slow, and they are already present at kubuntu.org
[11:52] <fdoving> .. and i'm to lazy to wget them on the server.
[11:53] <toma> allee: its your call, it is done for kde4 already, so its pretty easy to port back to mailody
[11:56] <allee> toma: #$%! rebuild svn deb pkg with debug=full and still nothing on konsole when I get the passive popup about new mails :(
[11:57] <toma> check your .xsession-errors in your ~
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[11:58] <allee> toma: nothing (as expected) because I started mailody from console (not via k-menu)
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[11:59] <toma> allee: hmm, strange
[11:59] <allee> ^^ NN is the number of new mails arrived between the last/current new mail check
[12:00] <toma> allee: i dont like that, that means you have to read all popups
[12:00] <allee> toma: I check debuild's .build file.  Maybe they do something nasty ;)
[12:00] <toma> or make the text longer
[12:00] <allee> toma: Isn't the popup displayed to read it ;)
[12:01] <toma> allee: well, you dont have to read it every time
[12:01] <fdoving> allee: do you have a script to easily make mailody svn debs? 
[12:01] <toma> for example when you are fetching coffee
[12:01] <allee> toma: well, reason is I've lots of mail folder with pending new mail.  So msg like digikam-devel has 157 msg is not very informative
[12:02] <allee> fdoving: no.  But it's easy.  use KDE svn checkout. In playground pim. checkout alioth pkg-kde/kde-extras/mailody/trunk/debian
[12:02] <toma> allee: hmm, i dont see an advantage when displaying the amount of new mails since last mail check
[12:02] <allee> then call debuild -i && sudo debi
[12:02] <fdoving> allee: ah, you have it on alioth.
[12:03] <allee> yeap. See wiki KubuntuKDEExtras
[12:05] <allee> toma: yeah, right. maybe better disable 'new mail check' for such folders
[12:05] <toma> allee: yes. If there is a wish with a lot of votes, i'll make it, i'm not really against it
[12:06] <toma> my workflow is probably not everyoines workflow
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