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DelphinusDralaFi: in the konsole, type ifconfig and see if you card has an ip address  (look for eth0)12:13
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Acc\Denyanyone who has experience installation problems with 6.06 LTS on the Intel 845 display chipset?12:14
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Acc\Denyexperienced*12:14
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DralaFiDelphinus, yes, I assigned it to 192.168.2.5512:14
Delphinuscan you ping anything else? the internet etc?12:14
Delphinusrouter?12:14
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DralaFiDelphinus,  desktop <----> laptop  crossover ethernet12:15
Lars_GWhat was the xgl WM someone mentioned in here not long ago?12:15
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Lars_GDralaFi: If he has firewire, it's tons of times more efficient than a crossover ethernet12:15
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Delphinuswhats the IP of your laptop and your desktop?12:15
DralaFiLars_G, don't have firewire12:16
Lars_Gok12:16
Lars_GGah what was the name of the wm!!!12:16
DralaFiDelphinus, desktop 192.168.2.46  laptop 192.168.2.5512:16
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Lars_G!xgl12:16
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems12:16
Delphinusso you cant ping either way?12:16
DralaFiDelphinus, correct12:16
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Delphinussounds like a config error... check subnet masks?12:17
DralaFibut when i boot windows xp on laptop, i set it's address to 192.168.2.155 and i can ping12:17
DralaFiDelphinus, they should both be 255.255.255.0 afaik12:17
Delphinushow is the 155 address assigned?12:17
Delphinusyes12:17
DralaFimanual12:17
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Delphinusthere is winxp on desktop>?12:18
DralaFino winxp on desktop12:18
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Delphinusso you ahve winxp running on desktop, plugged via crossover into laptop dual booting?12:18
Acc\DenyIntel 845, X startup failure, monitor turns off... Ctrl-Alt-F1 gives a prompt, but how do i Install from there?12:18
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[cf] nightrid3rAcc\Deny: sudo apt-get install <packagename>12:19
hektikwhat is the default root password for edgy after installing it ?12:20
Acc\Deny[cf] nightrid3r: I want to install the whole kubuntu on HDD...12:20
[cf] nightrid3rhektik: there is none, you have to set it12:20
hektikwhere do i set it at12:20
TIger_IThektik: there is no root12:20
hektikim tryin to open wlassistant and its asking for root passwd12:20
TIger_IThektik: so... when you will use SUDO ....the pass will be the same of your user12:21
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DralaFiDelphinus, desktop = linux, laptop = winxp, everything is ok and I can ping. desktop = linux, laptop = linux, no ping12:21
[cf] nightrid3rAcc\Deny: hmmm and the live cd doesn't work?12:21
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Acc\Deny[cf] nightrid3r: Nope... monitor stops (like shuts itself off) after I see something like "starting X..."12:22
Acc\Denyeven Ctrl-ALt-BkSpc cant kill it :(12:22
TIger_ITAcc\Deny:  there is some troubles with intel-video-chip s12:22
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Acc\DenyTIger_IT: I experienced X problems with Knoppix... buit changing the video RAM solved it...12:23
DelphinusAcc\Deny: have you tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg from console?12:23
Acc\DenyDelphinus: nOPE. new to Kubuntu and its father Debain.12:23
TIger_ITAcc\Deny: there are specific drivers to solve problems with Intel chips....12:23
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Acc\DenyTIger_IT: Any URL or google-strings in mind? :)12:24
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DelphinusAcc\Deny: that command just reruns the xserver wizard, so you can check resolutions and stuff, completely safe as it backs up your config file12:24
[cf] nightrid3rAcc\Deny: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel12:24
TIger_ITAcc\Deny: mmmm... let me see12:24
hw_como eu configuro o som no kubuntu?12:24
TIger_IThw_: es en ingles aca!!!12:24
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[cf] nightrid3rhw_: english please12:25
Acc\DenyDelphinus: ok will try that too12:25
TIger_IThw_: anda a #ubuntu-es12:25
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TIger_ITAcc\Deny: 915resolution.... can be12:26
campbch:D gotta love multi-linguals.12:26
TIger_ITcampbch: ti piacce leggere italiano ?12:26
campbch:( no12:27
DralaFiDelphinus, I also checked that there were no iptables rules dropping icmp. tcpdump showed constant ARP requests from both hosts, but neither seemed to do anything else.12:27
campbchi speak spanish, english, and am learning japanese.12:27
campbchi hear italian isn't so far off?12:27
felixjetno12:28
felixjethw_12:28
felixjet!br12:28
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.12:28
beemerevening all - anyone know how to get a nforce 400 chipset working in edgy?12:28
thomas_have u guys noticed that the kopete version which is available in edgy has a major bug?12:28
LeeJunFanthomas_: and that would be?12:29
[cf] nightrid3rbeemer: install nvidia driver and set up in systems settings, then log out and restart X12:29
thomas_LeeJunFan: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/6949412:30
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thomas_it's not possible to connect to ICQ12:30
Acc\DenyTIger_IT: trying 915 resolution12:30
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beemer[cf] nightrid3r: I have a pcie nvidia card running fine - what I'm missing is sound and ide/dvd dma12:30
TIger_ITAcc\Deny: ok12:31
momalhow can i alt tab or have a work around to minimize full screen apps suck as tremulous12:31
momalsuch*12:31
LeeJunFanthomas_: I'm on icq with mine right now.12:31
[cf] nightrid3rbeemer: oh ok, that should be supported out of the box, try dmesg to see what the kernel thinks your hardware is12:31
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thomas_on edgy?12:32
LeeJunFanthomas_: I've got a friend who hasn't been able to log on reliably, but off and on he can.12:32
LeeJunFanyeah.12:32
beemer[cf] nightrid3r: i get a bunch of "unknowns" on lspci12:32
thomas_which version?12:32
thomas_kopete 0.12.3-0ubuntu1 <- 1 !!12:32
LeeJunFanthomas_: 3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu112:32
thomas_that's mine12:33
thomas_i am not able to connect to icq.12:33
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felixjetanyone know a good manual to create shell commands?12:33
felixjeti mean -> #!/bin/sh12:33
LeeJunFanthomas_: my friend has had problems, but is able to get on icq most of the time.12:33
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[cf] nightrid3rbeemer: thats strange it should realy detect all hardware, it does on my nforce4 machine12:35
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beemer[cf] nightrid3r: i have this board: http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=NF61V%20MICRO%20AM212:36
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[cf] nightrid3rbeemer: you seem to have a more recent mcp chip than i have, maybe thats the problem12:37
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[cf] nightrid3rbeemer: check lsmod for snd_intel8x012:39
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beemer[cf] nightrid3r: I tried modprobe of both intel8x0 and hda_intel - neither worked12:39
Acc\DenyTIger_IT: From what i can initially gather, Ubuntu does not support 915 and its like a hack, with a right to burn out your hardware :)12:40
beemerI did a sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0 then tried to do aplay -l and got nothing12:40
momalHow can I alt tab or have a work around to minimize full screen apps such as tremulous12:41
[cf] nightrid3rbeemer: then it probably a kernel problem12:41
Acc\DenyPlus it requires the "sudo apt-get install 915resolution". Modems have been a headache for me always on Linux :(12:41
[cf] nightrid3r!hardware12:41
ubotuFor lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport12:41
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Acc\Deny0_o12:43
Acc\Deny!84512:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about 845 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:43
Acc\Deny:D12:43
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kdemonis it possible to load Kubuntu from a live CD?12:47
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h3sp4wnkdemon: that is the normal installation method (I still think the old text install method is more robust though)12:47
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Acc\Denythanx guyz12:48
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kdemonh3sp4wn,  I don't understand, I'm running kubuntu from the CD and I want to be able to boot from the harddrive, how do I install onto the hardrive?12:49
h3sp4wnkdemon: There should be an install icon somewhere on the desktop12:49
h3sp4wn(or maybe elsewhere)12:50
kdemonhmmm, don't see any Install Icons.12:50
h3sp4wn!install12:50
ubotuUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues12:50
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momalHow can I alt tab or have a work around to minimize full screen apps such as tremulous12:58
Hobbsee!pbuilder12:58
ubotupbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto12:59
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ragubotu, is better than sysrescuecd?01:02
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about is better than sysrescuecd? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:02
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cpk1momal: just switch desktops?01:05
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ChanibaLhi, could someone help me with a permissions problem? if i use my main account there are no problems, but other users cannot access for example /dev/video0 (i know that i can chmod, but i want something permament)01:14
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cpk1what groups can use /dev/video0?01:15
thingyChanibaL, what's the user/group of the device currently? add your users to the group!01:15
ChanibaLhm... not sure how to check the group (so lame...), but here's ls -al /dev/video001:16
ChanibaLcrwxrwxrwx 1 root video 81, 0 2006-11-04 00:37 /dev/video001:16
ChanibaL(chmoded it)01:16
ChanibaLit will return to something like 0700 or 0744 after reboot01:17
cpk1that means the video group has permissions01:19
cpk1add the users to the video group01:19
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ChanibaLomg, you're right, and i'm blind01:19
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letalishas anyone had trouble getting a tvcard that uses bttv and snd_bt87x to get sound under edgy?01:20
letalisit worked fine in dapper01:20
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niels_can anyone tell me how to play mpg files i'm just using linux (kubuntu) for one day01:20
ragplease friends01:21
ragkatapult not start with alt+space on edgy, why?01:21
ragis for friend laptop01:21
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letalisChanibaL: i would look at information regarding udev01:22
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thingyrag, 1. Is this a normal Kubuntu installation? 2. Any error messages for Katapult in ~/.xsession-errors ?01:23
ChanibaLok, i'll reboot and check if it works correctly, one more thing, through - is there a console volume mixer? I mean a real console one that can be used in scripts, not the alsamixer01:23
letalishow many people use this system at once ChanibaL?01:23
bonggnuwhile printing a document (kpdf) the printer stop in 30th page. Checking dmesg says drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: on fire, it could be an edgy error?01:23
letalisnvm01:23
letalislol01:23
thingyChanibaL, amixer01:23
ChanibaL1, but 2 profiles, one for me, one for others (it's also used as a tv)01:23
letalisyeah the safest way is to add the user to the device group in question video01:24
letalisyo shouldnt have to reboot if all goes well01:25
ragthingy: yeah 6.10 with livecd not alternate, thx01:25
letalisunix permissions usually take effect immediately01:25
ChanibaLok, thanks, hopefully it'll all work01:25
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cpk1ChanibaL: you dont need to01:25
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ragthingy: i dont see .xsession-erros01:26
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ChanibaLi want to be sure, because the permissions have reseted on reboot01:26
cpk1just do "groups" that will show your groups01:26
thingybonggnu, that fire message is just a way of the system to report that the printer reported an unknown status code and it doesn't know whats wrong with the thing.01:27
ChanibaLplus i want to check if volume setting by amixer works correctly (i don't like the static sound from the tv card all the time i dont use tvtime)01:27
letalisyeah youll need to use that command on the account in question01:27
archangel_anyone using Edgy 6.10?01:27
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thingyrag, ps ax | grep katapult   (does it report katapult running?)01:29
bonggnui am using Edgy  archangel_01:29
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thingyrag, if it isn't running, then launch a terminal, enter "katapult" and see if you get an icon on the systray for it. Try pressing alt+space01:29
ragthingy, there is01:30
archangel_bonggnu: like it?01:30
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archangel_bonggnu: I'm trying to decide what to install on my parents pc01:30
maximehow to compile firefox 2.0 ?01:30
maxime???01:31
archangel_edgy or the dapper... hmmmmm01:32
maximedapper01:32
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maxime(6.0601:32
cpk1edgy will get more app updates now01:32
maximei have just konqueror inot have firefox01:33
thingyrag, paste the output of that ps grep command01:33
ragthingy: im in other computer with irc01:33
maximehow to compile .tar.gz01:33
ragthingy: ok , ps say me katapult -session 10d9d etc...01:34
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ragmaxime, first tar zxvf file.tar.gz01:34
cpk1maxime: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion01:34
maximeok01:34
cpk1maxime: that page will walk you through it01:34
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maximethx01:35
ragmaxime: second maybeconfigure, then make and make install01:35
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maximebye01:35
thingyrag, use the ps command to find the pid of the katapult process and kill it using "kill -9 pid" and then start katapult again...does it work then?01:35
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cpk1always ask politely for something to die first01:35
cpk1then if it still is misbehaving then use -901:36
edgaralguien sabe como instalar codes a kubuntu01:36
archangel_hey has anyone put pics on their ipod using amarok?01:36
ragthingy: start katapult with root o normal user?01:38
thingycpk1, politely is prob. not the right word...gracefully would be better :-)01:38
thingyrag, yes01:38
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archangel_ipod anyone?01:39
cpk1sure i'll take one archangel_01:40
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ragthingy: root?01:41
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thingyrag, with a normal user acount01:41
thingyswap/acount/account01:41
ragthingy: sorry its true01:41
ragthingy: nothing :(01:43
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thingyrag, run "xmodmap" from a xterm window and does it say mod1 = ALT_L or ALT_R ?01:43
thingyrag, in fact and easier test...run the Konsole app and press the Alt key once and press down arrow once...does it open a menu?01:44
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ragthingy: ALT_L01:44
eaglehawkhello everybody01:44
ragthingy: but nothing , no left no right alt!!!01:45
eaglehawkcan anybody help me with alsa sound for laptop01:45
thingyrag, so pressing alt key and then down arrow in console doesn't bring up a menu?01:45
eaglehawkedgy release!01:45
ragthingy: yeah , of course, its working01:46
eaglehawkcan anybody help me with alsa sound for laptop01:46
ragthingy: but alt+space, i try change it other shortcut but katapult gui not appear for me...01:48
thingyrag, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=286874&highlight=katapult01:48
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ragthingy: ok thx, time to sleep :)01:50
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ragthingy: thx! bye01:52
thingyrag, c ya01:52
thingyeaglehawk, whats the alsa problem with the laptop?01:53
thingyeaglehawk, whats the laptop make/model as well?01:53
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archangel_hey how difficult is it to set up dsl with kubuntu?01:55
archangel_is it automatic like a cable modem?01:56
xsachadont see why it wouldnt be as easy as doing nothing01:56
felixjetin shell scripting. how i can tell script to manage a "$2-" . i mean, till $2 to final. ?01:56
archangel_I have never had to set up the internet with linux, its always worked out of the box01:57
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xsachame too, except for wireless.. i had to use a windows driver for my wireless card01:57
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Search4Lanceralright, why is it that I can't upgrade to Edgy?02:00
Search4LancerI was expecting the "full upgrade" or whatever button in Adept to be enabled, and it's not02:00
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thingySeanTater, Adept cannot do dist upgrades!02:01
thingysorry wrong person02:01
thingySearch4Lancer,  Adept cannot do dist upgrades!02:01
Search4LancerI could've sworn it could..... okay, then, how do I do a dist upgrade!?02:01
ragthingy: nothing, well time to sleep02:02
ragthingy: sr anderson wake up tomorrow :)02:02
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thingySearch4Lancer, look at the Upgrading from 6.06 LTS section over here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php02:03
Hawkwind!upgrade | Search4Lancer02:03
ubotuSearch4Lancer: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)02:03
HawkwindSearch4Lancer: You really should follow that URL there instead02:03
felixjetin shell scripting. how i can tell script to manage a "$2-" . i mean, till $2 to final. ?02:04
thingyfelixjet, are you talking about command line parameters?02:06
felixjetyes02:06
felixjetwell no02:06
felixjetits like if i put: ./dl 010.jpg A new Photo02:06
thingyfelixjet, if you want to get $* without the 1st parameter, you will need to save $* to a var, and use string manipulation to remove the 1st parameter02:06
felixjetths script do: mkdir $2- | wget url$102:07
thingyfelixjet, there are librarlies and functions avail on the net which do this for you already02:07
thingyso no need to code the function again02:07
felixjetany word to search for ?02:07
Hawkwindfelixjet: You could also ask in #Bash02:08
felixjetthanks02:08
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felixjetill do :)02:08
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DralaFii've not played any flight sims in a while. Does anyone know of any good linux ones (except FlightGear, I know of that one)?02:16
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thingyDanker, http://www.happypenguin.org/show?ACM   http://www.happypenguin.org/show?FACHODA%20Complex   http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Flying%20Guns     http://www.happypenguin.org/show?GL-117 and tons more at linux game tome02:20
thingydang wrong persons AGAIN. stupid auto completion02:20
thingyDralaFi,  http://www.happypenguin.org/show?ACM   http://www.happypenguin.org/show?FACHODA%20Complex   http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Flying%20Guns     http://www.happypenguin.org/show?GL-117 and tons more at linux game tome02:21
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DralaFithingy, thanks, I'l; have a look at them. I've tried GL-117 a while back, didn't like it. Don't recognise the others. Thanks02:21
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larson9999i told my son we can buy new games when he's played all the free ones there :)02:22
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DralaFilarson9999, LOL02:23
thingylarson9999, you horrible malfunctioning parental unit! :-)02:23
larson9999:)  actually, there are some good quality games there.02:24
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DralaFimight just get flightgear again02:29
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max_can someone help me with wine?02:35
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thingymax_, drink moderately!02:37
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Hawkwindmax_: Have you tried in #WineHQ ?02:37
shadowhywindhay is anyone else having azureus problems?02:37
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shadowhywindi am having nothing but problems with it trying to download edgy 64 dvd02:38
max_haha, no on is alive in that channel02:38
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thingymax_, they all don't drink moderately! :-)02:39
Hawkwindmax_: They will be, gotta have patience02:39
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h3sp4wnHawkwind: Have you used engage recently ? Is it still broken ?02:40
smaggardhiya pals!02:40
Hawkwindh3sp4wn: I've never used it.  It's no longer maintained02:40
h3sp4wnHawkwind: I have never used it either - was it never an official part of e17 ?02:41
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Kjooanyone knows where I can  find a deb package for Klear ? it is a dvb application for kde02:41
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Hawkwindh3sp4wn: It was, yes.  There is both a module and stand alone version.  The module version is going away as it'll be replaced by something soon.  The standalone might still work but it's going away too soon02:41
matthewkubuntu seems to have improved in 6.1002:41
Kjooanyone knows where I can  find a deb package for Klear ? it is a dvb application for kde02:42
HawkwindKjoo: No need to repeat yourself every minute02:42
smaggardKjoo> ive never heard of it or used it02:42
KjooI am frustrated i spent hours searching for a package and couldnt02:42
h3sp4wnHawkwind: But there is going to be something similar before release ?02:42
Kjoohow come thereis none for kubuntu :(02:42
manwithafaceKjoo: google Klear .deb02:42
KjooI did02:43
Hawkwindh3sp4wn: Possibly, hard to tell as noone really likes engage or what it does it seems02:43
manwithafaceany .deb will install in Kub02:43
Kjooall sorts of searching02:43
shadowhywindkjoo http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all&keywords=klear&sourceid=mozilla-search02:43
shadowhywind*sorry didn't think that was that long*02:43
OODmanwithaface: not true02:43
h3sp4wnHawkwind: I don't really know much about it (other than a few things I have seen where people are saying how good it is)02:43
manwithafaceOOD: i meant generally02:44
smaggardi like kubuntu :D02:44
Hawkwindh3sp4wn: Those people that said that are on crack then.  Engage is horribly coded hence why it's no longer supported02:44
manwithafaceOOD: every deb I have installed works great02:44
smaggardsame here02:44
Kjoothats not what i am searchging for02:44
Kjoothe klear i want is not a the klearlook style for kde02:45
OODsome debian debs i tried did not work, debian and ubuntu debs are pretty incompatible atm02:45
Kjooit is a dvb app, distros have it02:45
Kjoocant find one in deb02:45
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HawkwindKjoo: Do you have the source ?02:45
manwithafaceyou can use alien to convert from RPM02:45
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_rnz-COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) -- The Rev. Ted Haggard, who is Republican and a devout supporter of President Bush, resigned as one of the nation's top evangelical leaders, admitted Friday he had contacted a male prostitute for a massage and bought drugs from him.02:45
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_rnz-oops02:45
Kjoono02:46
momalcpk1: how alt+tab keys wont work... and any key combo to change desktop doesn't work :(02:46
justinhello02:46
h3sp4wnHawkwind: If it is horribly coded I will steer clear (but it is amazing how much stuff people love is coded badly)02:46
Kjoobut there should be a deb02:46
HawkwindKjoo: Find the source and build one02:46
HawkwindKjoo: Not necessarily.  It's probably either really old and unmaintained, or too new that noone has made a deb package of it02:46
manwithafacemake sure you have build-essential first02:46
justinIs there somebody available to help me?02:46
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KjooI have ubuntu and building from source will requires alot of install02:46
manwithafacejustin: whats the question?02:46
Hawkwindjustin: Ask your question02:46
Kjookde headers and alot of stuff02:46
smaggardjust> what kinda question is that02:47
LjLHawkwind, actually there's a dapper .deb that shows up as second google hit. i mentioned that, but02:47
justini have lost the multi desktop switcher in my taskbar02:47
HawkwindLjL: Where ?02:47
justinhow can i get it back?02:47
xsachahow can i get the default xorg.conf off the live cd without rebooting.. there's no xorg.conf file on there02:47
hollywoodbjustin: right-click the panel -> add applet ->02:47
justinok02:47
xsachais it generated by what hardware it detects only?02:47
LjLHawkwind: http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/dists/dapper/3v1n0/02:48
manwithafacejustin: its the desktop manager one02:48
HawkwindLjL: I never saw you post anything here about Klear actually02:48
LjLHawkwind: no, it was on #ubuntu.02:48
justinthere is no desktop manager one02:48
justinI am using Kubuntu 6.10 Egdy Eft02:48
hollywoodbjustin: desktop previewer and pager or something like that02:48
HawkwindLjL: Ahhh, I don't hang out in #Ubuntu :P02:48
justinok found it02:49
smaggardy not? i dont either haha02:49
justinthanks hollywoodb :-)02:49
manwithafacejustin: you will find many useful ways to expand upon the default panel02:49
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justinok02:49
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smaggardi need my kde to look sexy! i have the default with just icons ive added haha02:50
manwithafacehow can a desktop enviro be sexy?02:50
OODoh it can be02:50
smaggardtrust me... it can be!02:50
thingyDepends on how frisky the user is! ;-)02:51
smaggardlol02:51
justinhow can i register so i can send private messages?02:51
smaggardnickserv somethin02:51
manwithafacejustin: /msg nickserv register password02:51
justinwhere do i put that?02:52
manwithafaceright where your typin02:52
justin /msg nickserv register password02:52
OOD /msg nickserv register password02:52
thingyjustin, http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration  <--- Read this first!02:52
smaggardhehe02:52
xsachayeah /msg nickserv register hotstuff02:52
manwithafaceand you will want to make your password something other than password02:52
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justinok02:52
smaggardla la la02:53
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xsachaanyone know how i could get the default xorg.conf back?02:54
justin1278ok02:54
justin1278im registered now i think02:54
manwithafacexsacha: look around on the Ubuntu forums, someone is bound to have posted one02:55
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thingyxsacha, is there a backup of it in your /etc/X11/ dir ? if not and you want it generated again, then dpkg-reconfigure xorg02:55
thingyxsacha, or something like X -configure will prob. give you a working config as well02:56
xsachano backup and reconfigure doesnt give me the default one. it's interactive02:56
manwithafaceis interactive bad?02:56
manwithafacewhat kind of interactive?02:56
xsachayes i need the default one that came with02:56
LeeJunFanAnyone know of a repository with ffmpeg and vlc that aren't mp3 neutered?02:56
matthewi think my xorg in default02:56
matthewis*02:56
manwithafaceor course, the xorg would be differant depending on your settings, such as resolution02:57
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manwithafacethe xorg.conf is created during install from dpkg02:57
matthewi don't have a resolution i'm using a new vector technology monitor02:58
matthewok, that was a lie02:58
manwithafacevector is a fancy word02:58
matthewwith potential for pretense02:59
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manwithafaceLeeFunFan: you have to install MP3 support03:00
arriesphi people03:00
manwithafaceopen Amarok and try to play an Mp3 file and it should walk you through it03:00
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Hawkwindxsacha: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg03:01
Hawkwindxsacha: That will give you a default xorg.conf03:01
xsachaok thx03:03
xsachadamn, it doesnt..03:03
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xsachait's close though..03:04
thingysigh03:04
manwithafacexsacha: why do you need a new xorg.conf?03:05
xsachathe default one had different way of setting resolutions.. i'll try it though03:05
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matthewis there a shortcut to minimize all windows in KDE?03:06
xsachai've just a range of 'default' xorg.conf's but this program is breaking on all of them, but it doesnt break on one that came default with kubuntu03:06
xsachabrb03:06
OODmatthew: there's a kicker applet that does just that03:06
OODit acts just like the "show desktop" in windows03:06
matthewODD: I'll check her out03:06
manwithafacei don't know about keyboard shortcuts though03:07
manwithafacematthew: called show desktop03:07
matthewkind of a necessary feature.03:07
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LjLmatthew: ctrl+alt+d is the default shortcut03:08
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smaggardyeah i def need a show desktop button03:08
justin1278blue0703:08
LjLlook at the shortcuts control applet if you want to change it03:08
justin1278oops03:08
xsachatried sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, chose "ati" and "1280x1024" but for some reason my resolution is 800x600 now? and i didnt get the monitor out of range i got with default xorg.conf.. and app still breaks03:08
justin1278lolol03:08
justin1278hello03:08
smaggardhello!!!!!!!03:08
justin1278sry about that03:08
smaggardwhat did u do03:09
justin1278ran low on battery03:09
smaggardah03:09
smaggardim getting close03:09
justin1278lol03:09
justin1278i was getting the power cord out03:09
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matthewah, cool. I got it...03:09
justin1278and then it went ahead and started hibernating03:09
smaggard41% and 2.25 hours left...03:09
justin1278ive already been on my battery for about 3.5 hours lol03:09
justin1278lost track of time03:09
smaggardlol03:10
justin1278oh well im back03:10
justin1278lol03:10
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xsachaim gonna boot up live cd and copy xorg.conf to my disk, brb03:10
smaggardok03:11
justin1278ok03:11
nzxhi, how do i change options for laptop buttons ?03:11
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thingynzx, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=211708&highlight=laptop+buttons See if the keytouch program helps!03:13
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ubuntu_Hey all03:14
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thingynzx, also if the laptop buttons are already being recognised by X, then http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=55481&highlight=laptop+buttons03:14
Huisteranyone know how to skip the qtparted step in the installer? i'm trying to dual boot03:14
nzxthingy, hey, the keys actually work, the brightness and volume are ok, but mute is not03:15
LjLHuister: it should allow that03:15
nzxthingy, ah, i'll check second link03:15
Huisterqtparted crashes because there is an ntfs partition on the hard drive03:15
Huisteroutputs " No Implementation: Support for opening ntfs file systems is not implemented yet."03:16
hollywoodbmaybe I'm missing something, but I've been following http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy and I do NOT see sun java in repos03:17
Huisterit crashes the installer     although i know older versions of parted work03:17
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thingyhollywoodb, the sun java packages are in the multiverse repositories and not the universe ones03:21
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thingyhollywoodb, did you read the "How to add extra repositories" section?03:22
nzxthingy, how do i check what application my laptop keys are mapped to ? i want to change what they do i think03:23
thingyIn the KDE Control Centre, goto Regional& Accessibility\Keyboard Shortcuts03:25
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nzxthingy, i cant find a setting called toggle mute in there anywhere03:26
hollywoodbthingy: yep, I missed adding the multiverse stuff to existing lines03:26
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LjLnzx: open KMix, right click on a control, and click "Configure global shortcuts"03:26
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hollywoodbthingy: I had uncommented everything & added PLF as well as commercial, but I missed appending the original lines03:27
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nzxLjL, hi, i tried and that mapped the mute key, but the mute does not work, i think the keys are being handled by another application03:27
LjLnzx: they shouldn't. well, actually, if they are already handle, a warning window should pop up about that.03:28
thingynzx, in the konsole, type in xev and then in the new white window, move the mouse into the window and press the mute key...does it generate a keysym output in the konsole window?03:28
LjLnzx: but are your multimedia keys being recognized /at all/, anyway?  that is, when you add the shortcut, does it recognize the keypress?03:28
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nzxLjL, yep the keys are picked up03:29
LjLweird nuff03:29
nzxLjL, the problem i am having is the mute key does not work03:29
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nzxLjL, so i want to check how the mute is being triggered, i might just need to change an option or sumthing03:29
thingynzx, confirm that the mute key is getting detected as XF86AudioMute03:29
nzxthingy, it is, when i tried to map the key in kmix, thats what it came up as03:30
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thingynzx, ok how are you testing whether its working or not...are you simply looking at the mixer or are you actually playing something and noticing that mute is not working when pressed03:31
LjLnzx: actually in my Edgy i see that the Mute key *is* already mapped to something -- namely something that makes a "Mute on" (or "off") on screen display pop up03:31
morphishkubuntu isn't sneaking some sort of firewall by me, is it?03:31
LjL(i forgot about this new Edgy feature)03:31
LjL!firewall03:31
ubotuUbuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).03:31
LjLand, no, no rules enabled by defaul.t03:31
nzxthingy, i am playing music and the mute does not work03:31
morphishLjL: that's what i meant, default enabled :) azu is hating on me, this was the last chance03:32
nzxLjL, thingy: i am getting the prompt saying mute on, mut off03:32
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morphishholy crap all my media keys work too03:32
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LjLnzx, that's handled separately from standard KDE shortcuts, i think. in other words, it's an ugly hack, i'm afraid.03:32
nzxwhat handles it ?03:32
LjLnzx: i don't know, but not the standard KDE shortcut key system -- if it did, if would pop up a warning when i try to remap the key to something else. which it doesn't.03:33
thingyThis sounds like the mute key is muting the wrong mixer then!03:34
some0neHey I want to make a background with the Kubuntu logo in it. Where can I find Ubuntu / Kubuntu artwork like what I see in the default KDM theme?03:34
smaggardwhen i do xev my up down and mute button show as events, but thats as far as i get to them actually doing anything lol03:34
nzxthingy, that is what i think, but how do i check this ?03:34
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thingynzx, start up the kde mixer and make it display all the mixers and there should be a green light underneath them if they are active...i think...have not got it installed yet...so cant test this myself03:35
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morphishmy mute button "just works" (tm) i see the same Mute On Mute Off dialog pop up, and my mixer icon in kde gets slashed out03:36
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LjLthingy: yes, for me it's still muting the Master, even if i map it to PCM in KMix.03:36
nzxthingy, there are three with green lights03:36
morphishkmix gets slashed out all together, fwiw03:37
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LjLmorphish: yeah, try changing the assign to something else though - in kde 3.4, i could03:37
smaggardmy mute does nothing03:37
nzxthingy, lol, its muting my headphone chanel03:37
smaggardneither to vol up and down03:37
thingynzx, lol03:37
LjLthat's stupid.03:37
nzxits what it is doing :)03:37
LjLin the previous versions, Mute (and friends) weren't assigned at all, by default, but you could assign them to whatever03:37
morphishLjL: hm, it works as is, so i won't fudge with it :)03:38
LjLnow they're assigned by default, *to the wrong thing*, and you can't change the assign - bah03:38
LjLfile a bug.03:38
nzxso how on earth do i make it mute the front chanel ? thats whati need muting ?03:38
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nzxlol, they got my volume up/down and screen brightness up/down right, just not the mute :(03:39
thingynzx, in kmix do you have a switches tab?03:40
nzxyep03:40
nzxin the witches thing i have two things that say input source03:40
thingynzx, greeny yellow light in it?03:40
nzxand bot set to mic03:40
nzxbot=both03:40
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thingynzx, also as Ljl said earlier...what happens if you right click on the Front mixer, select Configure Global Shortcuts and assign the mute key03:42
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thingynzx, because I just tested on my system after isntalling kmix and i can at will set a particulalr mixer to increase decrease volume and got mute03:44
nzxthingy, still same, i get the thing saying mute on/off but doest not actually mute03:44
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thingynzx, oh i just realiased...EACH mixer settings can be assigned the mute key03:44
arriespaora wervo03:44
thingynzx, and only one of them gets it and processes it03:44
allRblong2ushi03:44
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thingynzx, so disable the assignments on all other mixers except the one you want03:45
beowulf-afkhola03:45
allRblong2ushow can I update the system with Kubuntu? I just installed it, I wanna do a full blown update03:45
allRblong2usthanks03:45
nzxthingy, but the headphone chanel doesnt not have a short cut assigned03:45
beowulf-afkbeen using suse for 2 years, looking into Ubuntu03:45
thingynzx, assign one and unassign it...as a test03:45
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thingybeowulf-afk, its a shame about novell and ms...you leaving suse because of that?03:46
nzxthingy, it keeps muting the headphone one, not matter what i set the key to03:46
beowulf-afkyea, Im not likeing what Ive read at all03:46
thingynzx, ok time to rule out the configs...create another user...log in as this user..and test!03:47
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allRblong2usnoboty knows how to do a freaking upgrade?03:47
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beowulf-afkjust been wondering about the system and how it installs, I got a AMD 64 (X2) cpu03:48
xsachayeah.. just people get tired of saying it03:48
thingyallRblong2us, you can use adept or use the konsole and type in sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade03:48
allRblong2usthanks thingy03:50
Ahmucki would like to install a *.deb.  how do i do this ?03:50
xsachadpkg -i *.deb03:50
thingyAhmuck, sudo dpkg -i filename.deb03:51
allRblong2ushow do I upgrade to 6.10?03:51
allRblong2ussudo upgrade update?03:52
AhmuckallRblong2us: it is on the kubuntu release notes page03:52
beowulf-afkfrom what I saw on the ubuntu site it looks pretty but how does it function?03:52
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Ahmuckwould you like a link ?03:52
thingyallRblong2us, no its a bit different...since you upgrading the os...03:52
thingy!upgrade03:52
ubotuSee http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)03:52
Ahmuckbeowulf-afk: have you used ubuntu ?03:52
beowulf-afknope, been a suse lifer till now03:53
morphishbeowulf-afk: why not stick with SuSE?03:53
Ahmuckwhy not move to ubuntu ?03:54
morphishbeowulf-afk: how is suse 64bit wise, how does it handle 32bit apps?03:54
beowulf-afkwhat Ive read of the "MS Novell marriage" Im not to thrilled with it03:54
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shadowhywindwhat is the commandline version of alt+ctrl+backspace?03:54
thingyshadowhywind, reboot03:54
thingyshadowhywind, sudo reboot03:54
BluesKajkill?03:54
shadowhywindi don't want a reboot, just a restart X/KDE03:55
nzxthingy, just need to logout and back in brb03:55
thingyshadowhywind, oops03:55
thingyshadowhywind, my mistake read the backspace as delete03:55
matt_shadowhywind:  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart03:55
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morphishshadowhywind: ps ax , get pid of X, kill -9 that pid03:55
shadowhywindmatt_ will that do startx as well?03:56
morphishif it doesn't work to restart kdm that is03:56
morphishshadowhywind: you did a manual startx or you logged in to a graphical DM?03:56
shadowhywindlogged into graphical03:56
matt_shadowhywind: I think so03:56
matt_shadowhywind: what are you trying to do?03:57
shadowhywinda friend was asking,03:57
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unix_infidelanyone know of any python 2.5 backports for dapper?04:01
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nzxthingy, hi, exact same thing on the other user04:01
thingynzx, hmm04:01
thingynzx, whats the laptop(make/model)04:01
Porkotron!decss04:02
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about decss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:02
Porkotron!dvd04:02
nzxthingy, sony vaio vgn-s3xp04:02
ubotuFor playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  -  libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages04:02
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nzxthingy, just need to find the dam thing that handles the keypress and change the command that it runs!! but how04:02
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arriesphi04:03
beowulf-afktake care, thanks for all the insight04:03
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Th3_Cr0up13Rhey guys i downloaded04:03
Th3_Cr0up13RFrostwire04:03
ranioplz help~ how can I see *.wmv files on kaffeine player?04:03
Th3_Cr0up13Runtared it but there is no configure or make file in there04:04
Th3_Cr0up13Rjust a usr folder04:04
Th3_Cr0up13Rany ideas ? did i do something wrong?04:04
Th3_Cr0up13Rwhere is all the files gone ?04:04
Th3_Cr0up13R!04:04
arriespi can't pay for elive, but i want to have enlightenment, how can i install it?04:05
thingynzx, hmm a long way round solution...but http://www.sony-tools.homeunix.net/sony.html04:05
arriespplease help04:05
thingynzx, there isn't a deb for this though...so means compiling it04:06
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thingynzx, wait a minute...it looks like its just a perl script04:06
thingynzx, wth04:07
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nzxthingy, whats up ?04:07
h3sp4wnarriesp: use Hawkwind 's packages or easy_e17.sh04:07
thingynzx, read the url i pasted04:07
nzxthingy, i am04:07
arriespthanks04:07
thingynzx, its a sony tools and utilities site..and it seems that it messes with acpi to allow you to control keys on the sony laptops04:08
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Hawkwindarriesp: http://SeerOfSouls.com/ is my site and repo04:08
thingynzx, specifically : "Controls Master Volume and Mute (for OSS or ALSA), Processor Speed (requires ACPI support, relevant kernel modules, and Centrino or SpeedStep CPU), Screen Brightness, LCD Power Down (for ATi Radeon graphics chips), and Disc Eject; for any system with a sonypi controller."04:08
arriespok thanks04:08
arriespdo you use enlightment?04:09
Hawkwindarriesp: I use E17 exclusively04:09
nzxhmmz, seems crazy that i have to this rather then just being able to say to the dam key mapper thingy mute the other chanel!04:09
thingynzx, yes...weird...it could be that pressing the key is generating an acpi event which is being ate up something04:10
arriespwhat package i must download and install? there are some of them04:10
nzxthingy, yea, i will play with this tomorrow, i need some sleep its 3am04:10
h3sp4wnHawkwind: Incidently Hawkwind - is it possible to reduce the size of the borders of the windows in e17 look really thick recently (and stop my xterm from resizing right)04:10
Hawkwindarriesp: Read the http://SeerOfSouls.com/ubuntu.html page.  It tells you everything04:10
thingynzx, heh youre in my time zone!04:10
nzxthingy, u from the uk ?04:11
arriespok04:11
thingynzx, yep04:11
arriespthanks and sorry04:11
Hawkwindh3sp4wn: Look in the config panel, I think there is a border option there, not sure04:11
nzxthingy, cool, do you use msn? i'll bug u for help tomorrow :)04:11
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thingynzx, I have an account but I don't use it much04:12
nzxthingy, no probs i'll look for you in here tomorow04:12
thingynzx, ok gnight!04:12
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Th3_Cr0up13Rhow do i run a jar file ? any ideas guys04:13
Th3_Cr0up13Ri tried java something.jar04:13
thingyTh3_Cr0up13R, java -jar filename.jar04:13
Th3_Cr0up13Rdidnt work04:13
scastthe best way to download kubuntu is using torrents right?04:13
h3sp4wnHawkwind: That there is but it seems incomplete at the moment (just wondered it there was an enlightenment_remote command for doing it)04:13
jeff_hi, all04:13
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Th3_Cr0up13Rsorry i know that , its just says something about cannot find awt libraries04:14
thingyTh3_Cr0up13R, azureus?04:14
jeff_Hey, i'm trying to install the IVTV drivers, and the instructions I'm following have me run a command that looks like it ends up calling debuild.  But I don't seem to have that executable,a nd I can't seem to find the package for it.04:14
Th3_Cr0up13Rwhat does that have to do with it ?04:14
thingyTh3_Cr0up13R, are you trying to install azureus?04:15
jeff_So, anyone know what package has debuild in it?04:15
h3sp4wnjeff_: devscripts04:15
Th3_Cr0up13Rno im trying to run phex, to try it04:15
jeff_h3sp4wn: thanks, I'll try that.04:15
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thingyTh3_Cr0up13R, if youre launching java -jar phex.jar and its complaining about awt...you prob. got a windows/mac version of it04:18
Th3_Cr0up13Ralso im trying to change the themes in dapper but all the ones i downloaded it says they are the wrong file types04:18
Th3_Cr0up13Rwhat types are the themes in this04:18
thingyTh3_Cr0up13R, http://www.phex.org/mambo/content/view/17/29/   Choose the third one!04:18
Th3_Cr0up13Ris there a way to add them manually04:18
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scastknow what, I am wrong. I am downloading dapper o_O04:19
felixjetu smart04:19
scastkind of04:20
Th3_Cr0up13Rthingy: thats the one i got04:20
Th3_Cr0up13Rbut its saying the same04:20
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Th3_Cr0up13Rill try and redo it04:20
scast:\ I can't download with torrents 6.1004:20
Th3_Cr0up13Rill tell you the result in 2 minutes04:20
scast>_<04:21
jeff_h3sp4wn: Hey, that installed what I needed.  Thanks.04:21
arriespbye people, go to sleeeppp04:21
Th3_Cr0up13Rits in zip , i gunzip it right ?04:22
scastI am trying to figure out if I should find my dusty and prolly scratched dapper cd or download edgy.04:22
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Th3_Cr0up13Rstill the same04:25
Th3_Cr0up13Runcompressed the files and did java -jar phex.jar04:26
Th3_Cr0up13Rstill the same04:26
duanehas their been an update to the flash 9 beta yet?04:26
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inteliwaspwhat do you guys recomend for an email client?04:29
felixjetgmail04:30
felixjetxD04:30
felixjetor Kmail :P04:30
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yipehello kubunteers04:31
inteliwaspi really liked thunderbird on windows but it didn't work that well on linux, but i think that may have been my ex-windows email backups04:31
yipeKim^J what's the difference between focus follows mouse, and focus under mouse?04:32
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unix_infidelif you have cxoffice outlook 2003 isnt supported, but it "mostly works"04:32
Kim^JDunno really.. try..04:32
yipeI did try them both, briefly, and couldn't figure out what the difference was04:33
unix_infidelevolution is the only mail client i know of so far that can do exchange well enough to talk about it.04:33
unix_infidelstrictly speaking nix.04:33
Kim^Jyipe: kk04:33
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yipethey seem to be the exact same04:33
yipeat least, you know, prima facie04:33
Kim^JOFFTOPIC KDE CHANNEL: #kde-cafe04:34
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markelhas0hi04:35
Kim^JHe there.04:35
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inteliwaspyipe, mabe it affects what happens to overlaping windows...04:36
markelhas0can any one tell me if firefox is already installed in kubuntu?04:36
markelhas0can find it04:36
Hawkwindmarkelhas0: Not by default04:36
markelhas0humm04:36
Hawkwindmarkelhas0: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox  should instlal it for you though04:36
Kim^Jmarkelhas0: No04:37
markelhas0but it says yes in add/remove04:37
Kim^Jmarkelhas0: Alt+F204:37
Kim^Jkonsole04:37
Kim^Jsudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox04:37
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Kim^JLearn the Konsole way. ;)04:37
markelhas0oki04:37
markelhas0hummm04:39
markelhas0didn't install04:39
markelhas0think the man is wrong04:40
Kim^JHuh?04:40
Kim^JTry: Alt+F2 firefox04:40
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markelhas0:(04:41
markelhas0Package mozilla-firefox is not available04:41
markelhas0going to try with add/remove04:42
Kim^JOh!04:42
Kim^JWhere do you live?04:42
markelhas0portugal04:42
Kim^JOk04:42
Kim^Jwhat's your country code?04:42
Kim^JLike sweden have se and us have us...04:43
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rBlong2ushi04:43
markelhas0but i like firefox in en04:43
rBlong2usI need help with sis driver flickering wildly04:43
Kim^Jmarkelhas0: It doesn't have thing with lang to do. Just the location of the servers.04:43
markelhas0sorry04:43
markelhas0pt04:43
markelhas0add/remove not opening now04:44
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markelhas0!?!?!04:44
Kim^Jmarkelhas0: http://hagbarddenstore.mine.nu/download04:44
Kim^JThe sources.list shold be in /etc/apt04:44
Kim^JMove it there when you are root.04:45
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Kim^Jand then edit the file with some text editor and change all se to pt04:45
markelhas0can u explain what is it?04:45
Kim^JIt's a source file where apt get it's download servers from.04:46
Kim^JPM me for more...04:46
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markelhas0how to register a nick?04:48
Kim^Jmarkelhas0: Oh... Wait a sec.04:48
Kim^JOk Ok...04:48
Kim^JOpen up Konsole.04:49
Kim^JType:04:49
Kim^Jcd /etc/apt04:49
Kim^Jsudo wget http://hagbarddenstore.mine.nu/download/sources.list04:49
Kim^Jsudo nano sources.list04:49
Kim^JChange all se to pt04:49
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Kim^JOh... You can comment out the Beryl repo by putting a # infront of it.04:49
Kim^JThen type:04:49
markelhas0but i cant donwload from the servers i've04:49
Kim^Jsudo apt-get update04:49
Kim^Jdo all I said.04:50
Kim^JAnd then try sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox04:50
Kim^JDo that.04:50
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markelhas0i've check for sdiff in my file and this one and they are equal04:53
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markelhas0!?!?04:53
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markelhas0mine have pt and those se04:54
Kim^Jtake away the se04:54
Kim^Jit should be deb http://pt.bla.bla.bla04:55
Kim^Jnot deb http://se.bla.bla.bla04:55
markelhas0oki04:55
markelhas0done04:55
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Kim^Jsudo apt-get update04:55
Kim^Jhave you commented out the Beryl repo ?04:56
markelhas0yaps04:56
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Kim^Jyour good to go then04:57
markelhas0done de update04:57
jefffHi,a ll04:57
Kim^Jneat04:57
Kim^JHi jeanette04:57
Kim^JHi jefff *04:57
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markelhas0some error04:58
markelhas0:(04:58
Kim^JWhat's your problem jefff or don't you have one?04:58
jefffAnyone using JFS partitions on their system?  I'm having trouble mounting some JFS disks that worked fine on the same machine under Mandriva.04:58
Kim^Jmarkelhas0: Paste.04:58
Kim^Jjefff: What seems to be problem?04:58
markelhas0mav@mav-laptop:/etc/apt$ sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox04:58
markelhas0Reading package lists... Done04:58
markelhas0Building dependency tree04:58
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markelhas0Reading state information... Done04:59
markelhas0Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.04:59
markelhas0This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or04:59
markelhas0is only available from another source04:59
markelhas0However the following packages replace it:04:59
markelhas0  firefox04:59
markelhas0E: Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate04:59
jefffIt simply won't mount.  dmesg is quite unhelpful.04:59
Kim^Jmarkelhas0: apt-cache search firefox04:59
Kim^Jjefff: Hmm..04:59
Kim^JCheck if the kernel you're running have support for it?04:59
jefffall I've got in there is JFS: nTxBlock = 3014, nTxLock = 2411704:59
jefffKim^J: Sorry, I'm not sure how to do that.  I'm using the stock edgy kernel.05:00
Kim^JOk... Hmm05:00
Kim^JBetter Google on it then.05:00
Kim^JI can't help you more.05:00
jefffKim^J: thanks.  Of course, I made backups, but I was hoping to keep these drives intact.  It's about 400GB to transfer over 100Bt.05:01
markelhas0(Y)05:01
Kr4t05!dhcpd > Kr4t0505:01
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dhcpd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:01
markelhas0kim05:01
Kim^Jmarkelhas0: Yep05:01
markelhas0sudo apt-get install firefox05:01
markelhas0:)05:02
Kim^Jjefff: Rough...05:02
markelhas0downloading05:02
markelhas0thnks05:02
Kim^Jmarkelhas0: Ahh.. They changed the package name in edgy.05:02
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markelhas0hehehe05:02
markelhas0working just fine05:04
markelhas0thnks05:04
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jefffKim^J: I don't know what the deal was, but a jfs_fsck against both of those drives, followed by a mount -a seemed to bring everything up.05:07
jefffKim^J: Thanks for listening while I bumbled through it.05:07
Kim^Jjefff: Good you worked it out. =)05:07
jefffKim^J: best way to learn05:08
Kim^JHehe... no problems. :D05:08
arthurbHi05:08
jefffarthurb: hi05:08
arthurbin Edgy how can I  get the moodbar to work in amarok ?05:08
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Kim^Jarthurb: Moodbar ?05:10
arthurbyep05:11
arthurbformally exscalibar05:11
jefffarthurb: is this a plugin, or part of Amarok?05:11
arthurbit's part of it05:15
arthurbbut it needs a separate package05:15
arthurband surprinsgly it looks like it's not in edgy05:15
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intelikeyanyone know what to modprobe to get udev to make the  sd  devices ?05:16
intelikeyi need sda  but udev didn't make one05:16
intelikeyi'd use the one in /dev/.static/dev  but it says there is no such device,  thus i conclude that a module is missing ???05:17
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randyHello.  Does anyone know if wine is available for kubuntu?05:35
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randyI was trying to run DbWrench DB Designer under kubuntu and cannot get it to run05:37
randyAny clues?05:38
thill2708where would I go to learn how to write kde apps?'05:39
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DFMAnyone having problems with FrostWire?05:52
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DFMRandy: Sorry I was away, has anyone answered your question about wine?05:59
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intelikeyin #ubuntu "sethk"  said that he couldn't allow me to say such things (that it's possable to have lilo boot a system on hda)  in that channel because someone would try it and wreck their system.... hehhe06:04
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momalanyone here use squid ?06:22
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johnhello there do you guys recommend upgrading kubuntu dapper to edgy?06:24
duanei recommend you doing a clean install06:25
johnduane: thanks. is there a reason for doing fresh install i will do that just curious06:26
duanejohn: loads of people have had issues with upgrading from dapper to edgy06:26
duanei wouldn't risk it06:26
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johnk thanks06:27
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kroisishow do I acces system-config-services on kubuntu?06:29
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kroisisis it installed with apt?06:30
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ibertjohn:  I had problems toowith updating06:47
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kroisisgreetz all06:58
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_paulbdhcpd is refusing to start, anyone have any ideas for getting it to start. its on  its own vlan.07:11
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_paulbsyslogd says it needs a subnet declaration for eth0. how would i do this?07:13
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evilxsisthello?07:17
evilxsistHey im having some trouble with kubuntu edgy... anyone wanna help me out? im new to ubuntu....07:18
_paulbill try07:18
_paulbwhat type of problems?07:18
evilxsisti just installed it about two days ago... when i boot it takes like 5 minutes bfore the lottle blu bar starts moving...07:19
evilxsistits something to do with my hd...07:19
evilxsistits an sata drive..07:19
evilxsistany ideas?07:20
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_paulbis kubuntu installing?07:20
evilxsistyes...07:20
intelikeyis udev needed ?07:21
_paulbthen when does it stop working?07:21
evilxsistits up and running, just the boot is muffed..07:21
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_paulbsorry i dont know what you mean07:21
_paulbby muffed07:21
evilxsistafter it finally boots it runs fine.. just when i boot up it hangs at the beginning for like 5 mins..07:22
_paulbis it for something called fsck or disk checking?07:22
intelikeysounds like network/configuration problems evil07:22
intelikeyor fsck07:23
evilxsistnetwork is up and going...07:23
evilxsistis there any way in ubuntu to see a verbose boot?07:23
intelikeyhave a look in `dmesg`07:23
_paulbhow big does that sata drive happen to be?07:23
evilxsist250 gig07:23
intelikeysure hit [esc]   when you can choose the os and type vga=normal07:24
_paulbthen, i dont think its fsck.07:24
intelikeyon the kernel linke07:24
_paulbmine starts up in a few secs07:24
intelikeyline07:24
evilxsistits a new sys still getting used to it ... lol07:24
evilxsistim gonna try verbose boot and see if i can get some more info..07:25
evilxsistThanks all07:25
intelikeyerrr grub uses the [e]  key for edit  i think.07:25
intelikey[esc]  then select kernel to load and [e]  vga=normal07:25
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unix_infidelanyone know of a SUPER light X server that i can run on a non production test server to make it a bit more comforatble to use.07:31
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intelikeybut did i misread that question ?   was he asking about booting to a console?  or about booting with normal vga so he could see what the sysem was hanging on.... ?07:32
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CZ???? connect?07:32
x-demonhow i can add user Den into sudoers file?07:32
intelikeyunix_infidel may i assume you mean desktop rather than server ?   "a SUPER light X server" ???07:32
CZhelp me07:33
CZSOS07:33
intelikeyx-demon do you want user Den to be root jr. ?07:33
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x-demonyes...07:33
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unix_infidelintelikey: its basically just a non-production test box but in the sense that it is fundamentally a test box, i'd like to jump into X periodically to make the config stuff a bit more comforatble.07:33
x-demoni need sudo permission for den07:33
intelikeyx-demon add him to the group adm  and/or admin07:34
CZwho is form china?07:34
x-demonhow i can make this?07:34
x-demonsorry, i'm only 14 years old and from russia07:34
intelikeyunix_infidel only three x servers i know of are xfree86 xorg and xgl if you can call that last one an xserver07:35
unix_infidelintelikey: i'll give it a quick google.07:35
intelikeybut if you are asking about desktop environments  try  'twm'07:35
unix_infidelnot de's, i'm going to be running fluxbox on top of a x server.07:36
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intelikeyk07:36
intelikeyxorg is not heavy07:36
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intelikeyin retorspect07:36
unix_infidelno, its not, but i'd like to avoid it if at all possible.07:36
intelikeyk07:36
x-demonintelikey, how i can add user den to administrators group?07:37
intelikeyx-demon you edit the file /etc/group   and add  ,Den to the line describing adm / admin   or use the app    groupadd   or  usermod07:38
LearningLinuxCan anyone give me a recomendation for a good resource to learn about Linux?  I know that the Ubuntu forums are great, but too much problem/solution information.  I want just general how to and "tutorial" style resources.07:38
intelikeyrute07:38
intelikeyrutebook  maybe in repos07:39
intelikey!rute07:39
ubotudocumentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com07:39
intelikey!rutebook07:39
uboturutebook: Linux: Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition, an online book. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (edgy), package size 5468 kB, installed size 8264 kB07:39
intelikeyLearningLinux there ya go.07:39
LearningLinuxkewl    thanks07:40
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x-demonadm:x:1001:den07:40
intelikeyyeah07:40
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thykohow do i TOTALLY uninstall a package and all recomended packages that came with it using aptitude?07:41
xsistok checked a few times...07:41
intelikeycan be several users there x-demon  adm:x:1001:den,joe,tom,super_stump    but i don't advise anyone using  the   root jr.   system.07:42
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x-demonok07:42
x-demonthx07:42
thykoany ideas?07:42
xsistits checking for sata1 wich it finds and then moves on to sata 2 3 and 4.... those it hangs on searcheng for a response that it wont get... there are no drives on those ...07:43
intelikeyi don't like aptitude so i have no clue.07:43
thykook, not using aptitude then?07:43
xsiston boot up i mean...07:44
xsist any ideas how to get edgy to not search them... or atleast do it qickley07:44
xsistok nvrmnd...07:45
intelikeyxsist yeah.... hmmm probably befor the initramfs drops out... you'd have to build a new initramfs.img to fix that and it would have to omit searching for those.....   not sure i'd want to go that route.07:45
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CZi'cann't connect ubuntu-cn...55555555555507:46
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CZai....07:47
xsistok im back...07:47
intelikeythyko aptitude can do that.  but i haven't played with it enough to tell you how.   i don't know it if apt can  dpkg might.   adept probably can  but i don't use it either.07:47
intelikeyxsist yeah.... hmmm probably befor the initramfs drops out... you'd have to build a new initramfs.img to fix that and it would have to omit searching for those.....   not sure i'd want to go that route.07:47
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intelikeyas i was typing while you were leaving....07:48
xsistthought had wron channel...07:48
xsistnot trying to be rude...07:48
intelikeyyeah it's pretty quiet in here today.07:48
xsistso any thoughts on why its taking so long to search those?07:49
intelikeyyes it's having to time out.   as in 'basicly thinking they may need up to XXX seconds to respond'  which should not be so....    like i was saying it's probably in the initramfs.img07:50
xsistsorry wrong window..07:51
xsisthavng a hard time staying coherent...07:51
xsistlol07:51
intelikeythat's where most hardware is detected. (initramfs.img)07:51
xsistmaybe i should pick this up tomarrow..07:51
intelikeymight be advisable.07:51
xsistlol07:51
intelikeyuse your hat rack for something besides a beer funnel   :)07:52
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xsisthmmm. is ther any way around this one besides rebuilding that .img?07:53
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intelikeynot if indeed that's where it's happening.07:53
xsistoh.07:53
xsistgrr...07:54
intelikeycause any args will also omit the 0 as well as 1 2 307:54
intelikeywhich i'm sure you don't want.07:54
xsistok so google time for initramfs.img...07:55
xsistnever played with one before how hard would it be to rebuild?07:55
intelikeynot hard.   you just set up the configs and issue a command.07:55
xsistcool.07:56
xsistim new to debian based ...07:56
xsistbeen using mandriva. finally got tired of broken apps and such..07:57
intelikeythe only hard part is finding the hay stack that actually contains the needle.....   that is to say exactly what script to change.07:57
xsist:)07:57
xsistok definatlely going to get sleep 1st...07:58
intelikeyyeah. i liked mandrake but imo they went down hill when they changed the name.07:58
xsist2007...07:58
intelikey200507:58
xsistwow.. forgot the rest of that sentence...07:59
xsistok i need sleep...07:59
xsistthanks man...07:59
intelikeya knee time07:59
xsistill be back tomarrow...07:59
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intelikeyinteresting  setting proccess limits in /etc/security/limits.conf works for all login shells but not if a tty is opened by something non-login.  and setting  ulimit -u  in /etc/profile works for bash and sh shells unless the user has a ~/.profile that doesn't load the one in /etc   so it seems there is no way to force a limit on the number of processes a shell may have....08:06
intelikeyor perhaps i should say i know not a way...08:07
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DFMCan anyone tell me how to roll back an update? I done one earlier and it had an update for nvidia and now I have no display of the openGL screensaver nad anything 3d just give's sound then closes after a few seconds.08:08
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intelikeydfm just reinstall your nvidia driver08:08
intelikey!nv08:09
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto08:09
enyawixhow is Edgy?08:09
DFMwill I keep getting the update notification for it?08:09
redtricyclei can't shutdown from gui in edgy -_-08:09
redtricycleneed to go through konsole after I log off or something08:09
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enyawixdapper felles incomplete08:10
intelikeyyeah dapper stinks.08:10
intelikeyedgy smells even worse.08:10
intelikey:)08:11
enyawixwhat is the issue08:11
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enyawixno 3d limited video support many missing apps08:12
enyawixfirestarter is broken08:12
enyawixbut works if i build it by hand08:13
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intelikeyfirestarter ???        i just use quicktables to script the writing of iptables rules08:13
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enyawixi like the log viewer in firestarter08:15
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unknownaaa08:15
enyawixno flash in firefox :(08:16
wankiabc08:16
enyawixmost formats will not work in xine08:16
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intelikeyoh contrare08:17
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intelikeymost will but the propritary ones require codecs08:17
enyawixno avi no divx08:17
intelikeythat's not at all a linux failing08:18
intelikey!freeformats08:18
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats08:18
enyawixit works in other distro08:18
intelikeylinux is linux  if it works in blah it will work in blah.08:18
intelikeyhow to get it too may be an issue.  but not if it will...08:19
enyawixso i divx packaged?08:19
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intelikey? i = is ?08:20
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intelikey!divx08:20
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats08:20
enyawixok nice reading now08:21
intelikeyseems that the infonode points to the same codec and license information as for all other "propritary" formats.08:21
enyawixi dd not see the free quake package08:24
enyawixi know quake3 is open now08:24
intelikeydd if=/dev/random08:24
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intelikey!quake08:25
ubotuQuake runs natively under linux see http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/quake4/ for details08:25
enyawixthat is quake408:25
enyawixi want the free stuff08:26
intelikeyi'm not a gammer i wouldn't know 1 from 4 nor be able to tell you what any of them were by looking at the running app08:26
enyawixok08:27
enyawixhttp://icculus.org/quake3/08:28
enyawixthat is what i want08:28
enyawix!icculus08:28
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about icculus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:28
enyawixk08:28
enyawix!quake308:29
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about quake3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:29
enyawixk08:29
intelikeyenyawix quote from the first paragraph of the page  |" August 20,  2005 under  the GPL.  "   so dl the source and build it.08:29
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enyawixbut that is like running gentoo i installed this to not build source all day08:30
intelikey!quake208:32
enyawix!flash08:32
ubotuquake2: improved version of id Software's Quake II engine. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:0.3-1.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1240 kB, installed size 3144 kB08:32
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enyawix!linuxsampler08:36
ubotulinuxsampler: realtime audio sampler. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.2.99+0.3.3-cvs-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 310 kB, installed size 916 kB08:36
enyawix?08:37
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Zairek this is gonna sound stupid but somehow Ive replaced my default window manager with vlc lol08:40
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intelikeyZaire have you or have you just got vlc in full screen mode hiding everything else08:40
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Zaireno like seriously I somehow got it so when I try to even open my home directory it opens vlc08:41
Zairenot sure how I managed that lol08:41
intelikeyif you have vlc as the wm   check  ~/.wmrc   ~/.?session08:41
Zairecommand not found08:42
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Zairewow when I try to open the trash it says malformed url08:43
xsachahah08:44
enyawixnfs also has issues08:44
ZaireI would like to know how I did this lol and how to undo it08:44
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intelikeyZaire did you check the two files i mentioned ?08:45
ZaireI know this much it happened after I tried to get vlc in the menu that pops up when you insert cd's so I could open DVD's straight into vlc08:45
ZaireI don't even know how to check them08:46
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intelikeyfrom a file manager/browser   from a text editor or   from any command prompt (shell)08:47
intelikeyshell  cat ~/.dmrc08:47
intelikeyshell  cat ~/.?session08:47
intelikeytext editor open them.    same for browser08:48
Zairedmrc just has this in it08:48
Zaire[Desktop] 08:48
ZaireSession=default08:48
intelikeyk08:48
Zairesession opens my home directory08:49
intelikey cat ~/.?session08:49
Zaireno such file or directory08:50
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Mike2k6whats a good mud client for kubuntu?08:50
intelikeyok then i don't think that vlc is the wm  it maybe running in the base window of the de though.08:50
intelikeykcontrol  should be able to get you streight.08:51
Zaire?08:51
intelikey!mud08:51
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about mud - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:51
intelikey!news08:51
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about news - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:51
intelikey!mail08:52
ubotumail is another medium to communicate. Ubuntu mailinglists can be found at http://lists.ubuntu.com08:52
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intelikeyMike2k6 idk.  what are you looking for prezactly ?08:52
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Mike2k6intelikey, auto mapper, pretty colors08:52
x-demon!kompile08:53
ubotukompile: interface for compilation automation for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3~beta2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 170 kB, installed size 904 kB08:53
x-demonhey guys, i need help08:53
x-demoni see that my kdesu is broken08:53
x-demonbut i cant find it on repos08:53
intelikeyx-demon sudo echo working08:53
x-demonkompile needs kdesu working08:54
Zaireso how do I fix my problem08:54
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intelikeyZaire open kcontrol08:54
Zairewhere is that08:54
intelikeystart looking around    i'm sure you can find it.08:54
x-demonintelikey, sudo echo08:55
x-demonworking08:55
intelikey[alt] +[f2]   type in kcontrol Zaire08:55
intelikeyx-demon if it echos working back at you then it's not broken.    you can run it on kdesu echo working     as well08:56
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ishahhe;;ppppppppppppppppppppppppppp08:57
ishahhelloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo08:58
ishahany who08:58
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intelikey:)08:59
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ishahhello nay alive??????????????//08:59
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Zaireok really doesn't help when I have no clue what Im supposed to be looking for or at09:00
jsgotangcoishah: hey there dude09:00
andreaHI!09:00
intelikeyZaire i would assume something to do with desktop09:00
andreaI'm a new IRC utens09:00
andreaI'm an Italian boy...09:01
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intelikeywell that's nice.09:01
Zaireyou would think that wouldn't you09:01
ishahhey help me im also new??09:01
ishahcan any buddy help me09:02
ravencrowI'm a german boy oh my09:02
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andreafuck...09:02
ZaireIve checked under window behavior and I can't see anything about program affiliations09:03
intelikeynot window behaviour09:03
intelikeylet me start kde and look.09:03
ravencrowi can look09:04
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ZaireI don't thinks theres a thing in linux Ive had difficulty breaking and not to many things I haven't broken lol09:04
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intelikeycongrats...09:04
intelikeymost have trubble breaking bash.09:05
ravencrowwell there is 'default applications' under personal09:05
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ravencrowhmm09:05
Zaireif it can be done then I can break it09:05
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draikHow do I set up my hostname?09:06
draikI currently have draik@localhost09:06
ravencrowunder network settings in the system settings application09:06
ravencrowand 'domain name system'09:07
Zaireperhaps I should just try uninstalling vlc09:07
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sinuxHi evreybody, im with kubuntu Dapper. I would like to pass internet via ethernet to an osX. I configured to give a DHCP number. But i dont know how to pas internet service ...09:07
Zairewell gave me a clearer error to go by lol09:08
ZaireKDEInit could not launch 'wxvlc'.:09:08
ZaireCould not find 'wxvlc' executable.09:08
Zairethats from trying to open my home directory09:08
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intelikeyZaire have a look in kcontrol > kde components > sesson manager & service manager09:09
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ZaireI can't see anything that would involve changing the window manager09:11
draikravencrow: It shows my hostname, but SuperKaramba does not. SystemCheck specifically09:11
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sinux Hi evreybody, im with kubuntu Dapper. I would like to pass internet via ethernet to an osX. I configured to give a DHCP number. But i dont know how to pass thr internet service ...09:12
Zairewould the setting currently selected(restore previous session) keep the issue re-occuring?09:12
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intelikeyZaire yes it could09:16
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Zairehmm maybe I should select start with empty session...previous kinda annoys me anyway takes longer to load09:17
intelikeyoh how utterly grotesk.   kde is whining about dbus not being running and taking for ever and a day to do anything.09:17
Zairelol brb09:18
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ravencrowkde > my mom09:19
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momalhmm is it possible to use the mount command with an mds/mdf file? or how can i convert that to an iso ?09:27
thykoapache2 seems not to have a httpd.conf. Was it renamed to something else or what?09:28
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intelikeythyko moved maybe ?  /etc/apache2/  ???  idk.09:29
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ElectrolyteWhy on Earth won't the KDE wallet save my passwords?09:36
ElectrolyteOpening Kopete and having to type in 4 passwords is really starting to tick me off :/09:36
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momalmake sure kde wallet shutsdown properly and kde if you logout/reboot/shutdown09:36
ElectrolyteI have.09:37
momalif kde crashes or you restart X it doesn't seem to save what was saved in kde wallet09:37
ElectrolyteMultiple times I've logged out correctly.09:37
momalhmm09:37
ElectrolyteKopete causes the kdewallet password to come up, it opens, then I get kopete asking me for 4 passwords.09:37
momalyou click the save password box im assuming as well ?09:37
ElectrolyteYes.09:37
ElectrolyteKMail and Konqueror also keep asking me for passwords.09:38
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krautmoin09:38
intelikeyElectrolyte i think there is a bug report on that.09:39
ElectrolyteAh.09:40
intelikeykraut say.09:40
ElectrolyteI'm on the 64-bit version too.09:40
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ElectrolyteI thought I had an update for fglrx this morning too.09:41
ElectrolyteUntil I realised i was just downloading the exact same version, with the same kernel :/09:41
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intelikeyyeah from what i've been reading in here.  i'm not impressed with the nervos salamander09:42
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ishahHELLO09:45
ishahANY buddy alive?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????///09:45
ishahhelooooooooooooooo09:45
ravencrowno09:45
ravencrowi died09:45
abattoirishah: yes, there are 268 people here09:45
abattoirishah: ask your question, if you have any, and be patient :)09:46
ishahwhere r they?09:46
abattoir(other than is anybody alive, of course)09:46
bLaZeDwhen is source of matic gonna include edgy repos?09:46
ishahya sorry im new hare09:46
bLaZeD*source o matic09:46
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ishahhay any one know about DRBD09:48
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momalhmm is it possible to use the mount command with an mds/mdf file? or how can i convert that to an iso ?09:52
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sinux Hi evreybody, im with kubuntu Dapper. I would like to pass internet via ethernet to an osX. I configured to give a DHCP number. But i dont know how to pas internet service ...10:04
intelikeysinux have you asked in ##linux  maybe someone in there could help you.10:05
Ace2016hi all10:05
Ace2016what is beryl? seems to be like compiz, do they both run on xgl? and which is better?10:06
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ElectrolyteI think beryl is the "newer" compiz and it works on XGL.10:07
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Ace2016so is it better?10:08
Ace2016its hard to find info on it10:08
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intelikey!beryl10:08
ubotuberyl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/  -  Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl.10:08
intelikey!compiz10:08
ubotuCompiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems10:08
Ace2016thanks i'll have a read of those10:09
markowkaare a german here?10:09
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spahijahi guys any idea how to update/change refresh frequencies for my IGP 320 ATI card10:11
intelikeysudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg     or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf    take your pick.10:13
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Ash-Fox!flash10:13
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats10:13
spahijaintelikey, I tried with dpkg and ended up with no working X10:14
spahijacan I add Option refresh rate ?10:14
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intelikeythe rates are already there.  just adjust to your hardware specs.    man xorg.conf10:16
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spahijaintelikey, hm... looking10:16
intelikeyspahija do you know the vert/horiz rates for your monitor ?10:18
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spahijaintelikey, its LCD laptop...10:18
intelikeydo you know the rates ?10:18
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spahijaintelikey, nope..looking for then online10:19
spahijaits old amilo 6600 fujitsu siemens laptop10:19
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intelikeyhttp://monitorworld.com  might list it.10:20
spahijaintelikey, great ..looking10:20
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spahijaintelikey, no luck but I believe that all LCD are the sane10:21
spahijasame10:21
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spahijatesting10:24
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intelikeyhah i was lagging for an hour, and when i finally stop lagging the lag meter on the irc client moves from zero to 17 seconds.....   ha ha ha ha10:25
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intelikeyback to 0 now....10:25
method|why is adept updater requesting that i remove nvidia-glx?10:25
method|wtf?10:25
momalumount: /media/cdrom0 mount disagrees with the fstab | :S how do i stop that error happening ?10:25
intelikeymomal edit fstab10:26
intelikey?10:26
momalthere isn't anything in fstab that has to do with cdrom :S10:27
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xsachaadd it :D10:27
momalbut add what though ?10:27
xsachawell a line for cdrom?10:27
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intelikeymomal do   mount    and see what the line with /media/cdrom0  says and then sudo kate /etc/fstab     and fix it.10:27
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xsachaeg. /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,user=xsacha)10:28
ehirdhow do i make Qt apps use my font settings? no antialiasing right now so it looks fugly10:28
intelikeyxsacha which would translate to; /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user=xsacha 0 010:29
xsachawell the =xsacha isnt needed in fstab .. only 1 user10:30
intelikeymaybe with a noauto thrown in for good measure10:30
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momalhmm.. how can i mount an image so the system see's it as the cdrom. I want to get a cd image to work with cedega10:31
intelikeyand yeah i did copy too far in the parenthetical10:32
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enzo_For everyone on Edgy, how long did it take for the full upgrade via "sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade"?10:32
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intelikeymomal mount -o loop image.iso /media/cdrom0       might work10:32
skiyHi Folks, I almost feel bad asking for help but y'all my last hope :) Kubuntu has a bug where the installer insists my /boot partition is xfs, even when it is ext2 :(10:32
intelikeyas root or root jr. of course.10:33
esbenenzo_: Dunno, 1 hour?10:33
momaltried that and thats what ended up giving that message from umount10:33
enzo_esben: Ok. I just have the ETC jumping all over the place10:34
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dariushello10:34
esbenenzo_: Mine were steady as a rock, I think I hit a good time :)10:35
enzo_esben: I'm currently looking at ~3h10:35
esbenenzo_: What is the download speed?10:35
dariusi have a question @ all... i'm have a little problem with my kubuntu10:35
enzo_at ~110kB/s10:35
intelikeymomal message from umount.   umount /media/cdrom0   ?10:35
momalumount: /media/cdrom0 mount disagrees with the fstab10:36
intelikeyhehhe that's qute10:36
enzo_esben: at ~110kB/s10:36
esbenenzo_: I was about 350 Kb/s, so 3hours sound about right10:36
intelikeywell ya did it as root momal ?10:37
enzo_esben: now I'm down to just under 70kB/s10:37
momalyea10:37
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momaloh wiat10:37
momalthere we go10:37
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momalseems to unmount now10:37
ArafangionHello, I'm running Ubuntu, but with KDE.10:37
esbenenzo_: I think I was lucky and hit the servers at some quiet period. Have patience, it's worth it :)10:37
ArafangionHow do I adjust the sound?10:37
dariusdoes anybody know how i can switch dektop resolution without the "System Control"? Everytime I start "System Control" and go to "Monitor and Disply" It tells me it can't load the module.10:37
Arafangion#ubuntu is ignoring me :(10:38
enzo_esben: I am following the instructions that I found from the wiki to upgrade to Edgy...10:38
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enzo_esben: I had a few issues. I bypassed them and went on to the next step10:38
esbenenzo_: I had to do a apt-get install -f to get it all running10:38
intelikeydarius set the default in /etc/X11/xorg.conf  ???10:38
intelikeyArafangion kmix10:39
enzo_esben: I did that and still no go10:39
intelikeyArafangion or alsamixer10:39
esbenenzo_: What happens? Not that I'm any expert10:39
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enzo_dependencies10:39
enzo_esben: dependencies10:39
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Arafangionintelikey: Interesting, neither work.10:40
enzo_esben: kubuntu-desktop and xorg are my only 2 that would give me issues10:40
esbenenzo_: What dependencies? Those 2 are sort of important :o)10:40
enzo_I know they are10:41
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enzo_esben: I know they are. I will replicate in just a sec10:41
esbenkk10:41
intelikey<enzo_> esben: I am following the instructions that I found from the wiki to upgrade to Edgy..<enzo_> esben: I had a few issues. I bypassed them and went on to the next step <--- what exactly about that is it that spells "it aint gonna work bubba !!! "  ?10:41
Arafangionintelikey: Ok, /something/ I ran in the past hour appears to have enabled the keyboard bindings to sound.10:41
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ArafangionHow do I identify the process that I see on the screen?10:42
enzo_intelikey: I know. I'm skipping those special packages to after the dist-upgrade and try again10:42
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magicmikeMy display size was set to 1280x768. When I booted this morning it's now 640x480. I am aware of how to change the display settings however the slider control will not move from the 640x480 position. I am in the administrator mode.10:43
ArafangionFound it - xwininfo was the tool.10:43
enzo_intelikey: Do you think that would matter? Order-wise10:45
magicmikeAny help in this matter?10:45
intelikeyenzo_ which packages ?10:46
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enzo_intelikey: hpijs kde-guidance kde-guidance-powermanager upstart kubuntu-desktop xorg x11-common xserver-xorg10:47
intelikeyenzo_ kubuntu-desktop   yes.  there is a reason they say "be sure kubuntu-desktop is installed BEFORE you upgrade"  don't ya think ???10:47
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enzo_intelikey: so should I terminate the upgrade and upgrade those packages first?10:48
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intelikeyenzo_ prolly kubuntu-desktop....  but   i'm more inclined to remove everything possable first tho.   but i've been hearing lots of horror stories in here of how borked the upgrade is.10:49
intelikeyi'll stick with the LTS thanks just the same....10:50
enzo_intelikey: I wish I would have known that... I've heard nothing but "lengthy, but worth it"10:50
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Zaireok slight prob...apt won't let me install the nvidia driver10:51
intelikeyoh that's all you ever hear out of used car sales men10:51
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enzo_hmmm10:51
enzo_I guess I'm up shiite creek without my paddle10:51
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Arafangionenzo_: It could be worse.10:52
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ZaireI can't install the nvidia driver10:52
magicmikeYo enzo, is this still a support channel?10:52
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intelikeymagicmike only on tuesdays i think10:53
intelikey:)10:53
momalanyone here have photoshop cs2 running under ubuntu ?10:53
enzo_magicmike: other than those ending in -day10:53
skiyZaire: what error do you get?10:53
Zaireit should be getting the driver for amaranth10:53
magicmikeYou guys are really funny.10:53
skiymomal: by what method? Wine?10:53
intelikeythank you.10:53
enzo_they try10:54
momalskiy: yea... unless there is another way to run it :p10:54
skiymomal: It's not yet supported under Wine or crossover, the only option is Win4Lin or VMWare10:54
intelikeymomal vmware10:54
Electrolyte[09:53:10]  <intelikey> magicmike only on tuesdays i think <-- Hahaha.10:54
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ehirdhow do i make Qt apps use my font settings? no antialiasing right now so it looks fugly10:54
Arafangionehird: At least it's readable.10:55
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momalskiy: ahh i see yea was just curious if it ran under wine... yea i currently run it through xp under vmware just annoying to have to start all that up :p10:55
magicmikeThanks for nothing.10:55
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Arafangionmagicmike: Hmm?10:55
ehirdArafangion: I use subpxiel antialiasing on this TFT and with full hinting it looks fine. So there.10:55
enzo_brrr?10:55
intelikeymagicmike mmm you the one with the display problem10:56
Arafangionehird: You can get that, however nearly all distros will disable it because it's patented.10:56
magicmikeYes, I am.10:56
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Arafangionehird: The hinting I'll agree is very good, but I disagree that AA improves the font appearance, unless the font is significantly large compared to teh screen density.10:57
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skiyZaire: amaranth?10:57
intelikeymagicmike bout all i can say is have you reconfigured xorg ?10:57
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ehirdArafangion: Um, I am using it right here on Kubuntu. But it doesn't work with Qt apps. Only KDE apps.10:57
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magicmikeI have done nothing with xorg.10:57
Arafangionehird: Such as?10:57
Zaireyea the beta driver used with aiglx10:57
ehirdArafangion: Ah, shit. I meant GTK apps :P10:58
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intelikeymagicmike i don't know any reason it would do that.10:58
Arafangionehird: Ahh, perhaps you need to upgrade your pango libs and/or change the GTK theme.10:58
magicmikeOkay. Thanks for at least acknowledging me.10:58
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ehirdArafangion: tried changing the theme, are pango libs in a package?10:58
Arafangionmagicmike: We did, you just failed to ask a question.10:58
Arafangionehird: Yes, but I'm not sure if you'll get a packaged version with the hinting.10:59
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enzo_!ask | magicmike10:59
ubotumagicmike: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)10:59
ehirdArafangion: hm. It's just, there's a GTK Styles and Fonts tabs but it has no mention of fonts10:59
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ehirdI'm probably dumb but I can't see why if GTK apps can use the KDE style they can't use the antialiasing settings10:59
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intelikeymagicmike you could drop to a console, login; sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop && sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  && sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start11:00
magicmikeAny help in this matter was the question asked.11:00
Arafangionehird: They're _completely_ different gui toolkits.11:00
ZaireThe following packages have unmet dependencies:11:00
Zaire  nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.962511:00
Arafangionehird: Just about teh only thing in common is that they both tend to use X11.11:00
ehirdArafangion: Yes, but KDE seems to intercept what GTK does when running it, so..11:00
magicmikeThanks intelikey. I'll try that.11:00
Arafangionehird: What makes you say that?11:00
intelikeyenzo_ he did ask.11:00
enzo_intelikey: I'm currently package 370 of 111111:01
intelikeyenzo_ in the dl process ?11:01
enzo_intelikey: sorry, I was going back and forth with my desktop's upgrade... yes, with the dl11:01
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Arafangionintelikey: Yes, but it is common knowledge that we only have 4 minute memories.11:01
ehirdArafangion: being able to switch its themes, and use KDE font settings (although, as i sya, it seems to ignore antialiasing)11:01
Arafangionehird: That's more the case of environment variables, etc.11:02
foxhound31got problems with the installer11:02
foxhound31can anyone help11:02
Zaireoh my god I got the damn dependency and it still gives me that error11:02
intelikeyenzo_ you could kill that at any point while it's still dling   and when you are ready the dl will resume.  just don't clear the apt cache11:02
Arafangionehird: I gotta go get some food.11:02
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foxhound31wont create a root11:02
intelikeyArafangion what's that ?11:02
enzo_intelikey: how do I properly terminate? I don't want to delete my apt cache.11:03
Arafangionintelikey: I'm thinking Nachos today :)11:03
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intelikey:)11:03
intelikeyenzo_ apt-get   use ^C11:03
intelikeyadept use the close window button i think.11:03
intelikey[x] 11:03
ArafangionOr even xkill11:04
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enzo_I'm using apt-get on yakuake... ^C works11:04
Arafangionmagicmike: If you lie, you can run screen11:04
intelikeyyep11:04
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Arafangionmagicmike: screen -U11:04
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Arafangionmagicmike: Then in there, run irssi -c irc.freenode.net -n magicmike11:04
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intelikeyi sure hope that's a typo  "<Arafangion> magicmike: If you lie, you can run screen"11:05
Arafangionmagicmike: That way when you kill X11 again, etc, you can just type screen -rdU and be back in without reconnecting, etc.11:05
method|why is adept updater requesting that i remove nvidia-glx?11:05
magicmikeintelikey: I had to reboot.11:05
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method|anyone else getting that notification?11:05
magicmikeWhen I did the first sudo command it went to a blank screen.11:05
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enzo_intelikey: Ok, so how what do I type in order to get ONLY the packages that I want to dl and install right now?11:06
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intelikeymagicmike i seriously doubt that you "had" to reboot.   this is not that M$ reboot os......11:06
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rahmetlican we say ubuntu has a better performance just because it uses GNOME?11:07
cpk1Sysinfo for 'snoresqueeze': Linux 2.6.15-27-686 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU2.40GHz at 2400 MHz (4806 bogomips), , RAM: 1017/1263MB, 109 proc's, 16.4d up11:07
cpk1only 16days =\11:07
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intelikeyenzo_ you'll have to undo the sources.list changes and "sudo apt-get update "     then "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-base"11:07
ehirdrahmetli: kde is faster than gnome, for me at least and a few others have reported similarly11:07
ehirdor rather, it CAN be faster11:08
cpk1they are both bloated11:08
ehirdand IS out of the box for most machines11:08
ehirdcpk1: well, they both have useful features11:08
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ehirdi wouldn't say they're bloated though, just a tad11:08
enzo_intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30142/11:08
cpk1if you wanted a lean desktop enviroment you would go with fluxbox or xfce11:08
intelikeyenzo_ that does NOT gurentee a faultless upgrade but it does highten your chances somewhat.11:09
intelikeyenzo_ ok looking11:09
Arafangionrahmetli: No, though historically due to the immaturity of the C++ ABI and linker, KDE used to be slower.11:09
ehirdkde isn't lightweight but it's not bloated11:09
ehirdin MY opinion, gnome is quite amusing: its striving for simplicity made it a little bloated11:10
intelikeyyeah kde is bloated by default.... but can be lighter than gnome even when gnome is trimmed11:10
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intelikeyenzo_ that's with the dapper sources.list ?11:11
enzo_intelikey: edgy11:11
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enzo_dapper won't give me any upgrades11:11
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intelikeyenzo_ but first install the meta packages i listed with the dapper sources.list then change to edgy and do the dist-upgrade.11:12
sloefHi guys11:12
enzo_intelikey: ok, will do11:12
rahmetlido you know any site that i can find performance tips for kubuntu?11:12
momalis it possible to make konsole transparent for the background? (and show the windows under it not just the wallpaper)11:12
enzo_but I don't think that I will be able to get kubuntu-desktop or xorg due to dependency issues11:13
sloefI'm having trouble booting the edgy 2.6.17 kernel, so I keep my 2.6.15, but how/where can I compile the nvidia drivers for my kernel?11:13
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intelikeymomal possable    why sure it's possable, this is linux.11:13
sloefbtw. Is there some kind of "cleanup" script which removes all redundant packages left from dapper ?11:13
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intelikeymomal but i don't know howto.11:14
momalintelikey: lol.. then how?..11:14
momal... lol11:14
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momalI can get it to transparency the background but i want it to show the windows as well :p11:14
sloefbecause I believe 2.4 G for a linux install is quite huge11:14
fkmHi there. Is it possible to turn off the tabs in Konqueror (filebrowser) or at least put them at the bottom of the window?11:14
intelikeysloef no it's not.11:14
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intelikeyhoary was 1.7 default.  year and a half ago.11:15
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intelikey2.4 if you've added anything is not over sized at all.11:15
sloefintelikey: it's not? (I remember the days where a complete working graphical linux system was about 70MB)11:15
enzo_intelikey: What were the meta packages?11:15
ehirdany ideas about my qt text niggle?11:16
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=== intelikey reposts for enzo_ you'll have to undo the sources.list changes and "sudo apt-get update " then "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-base"
cpk1sloef: you could always get damn small linux then =)11:16
enzo_I understand kubuntu-desktop, but not the other 211:16
intelikeyehird !i11:17
ehird!i11:17
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:17
ehirdo.o11:17
intelikeyenzo_ trusssssss me11:17
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intelikeyehird ! == not    i == /me11:17
enzo_intelikey: ok. I did that and all 3 say "already latest version"11:18
enzo_this is in dapper11:18
sloefbtw. Does anyone know if/when the kernel will be upgraded to 2.6.18 ? ... I just can't my 2.6.17 to boot. (it somehow gets into a loop when it tries to initialise my ide controller)11:18
intelikeyenzo_ ok i'll let you get right back to the dist-upgrade11:18
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enzo_ok11:18
intelikeyenzo_ and good luck with it.11:18
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intelikeyit should work....     hehhe  for what ever that's worth.11:19
ehirdintelikey: that made no sense at all11:19
intelikeyehird good that means you have no geek bone in your body atm.11:20
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ehirdintelikey: no, i just hve  lack of brevition tolernce11:20
ehirdY.11:20
rahmetlido you know any site that i can find performance tips for kubuntu?11:20
cpk1rahmetli: kubuntu.org might be a good place to start?11:21
enzo_intelikey: what about the removal of    sysvinit  ?11:21
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Arafangionsloef: You mean, with Kubuntu, or Linux in general?11:21
iberthey! a tar question: how do I prevent, that tar mirrors the whole path in an archive. I just want that the dir where the files are is the root of the tar-archive.11:21
rahmetlii have started from there about 1 month ago.11:22
intelikeyehird it's bash code.   but lets move on.11:22
ehird:p11:22
intelikeyenzo_ edgy doesn't use sysvinit it uses upstart11:22
Arafangionintelikey: What's upstart like?11:22
intelikeyArafangion idk11:23
Arafangionidk?11:23
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intelikeynever seen it.11:23
magicmike* Arafangion only has to ever reboot when he does crap with valgrind, C, and a certain ATI driver.11:23
sloefArafangion: Linux in general I suppose. (Although Hoary was the first time my Linux locked up completely) ... In 2 years I've lost 3 times a partition (each time 200G+ of lost data)11:23
cpk1idk = i dont know11:23
intelikeyidk == i don't know11:23
enzo_intelikey: Thank you for straightening it all out for me. Much appreciated11:23
magicmikeAnd it ia an ATI card.11:23
Arafangionsloef: I've never had a problem with Debian.11:24
hh|lostbyte|: hi11:24
hhhow r u11:24
intelikeyenzo_ is that cryptic for "if you would have left me alone i'd be an hour ahead of where i am now...."   ;)  ?11:24
magicmikeAnd Linux is supposed to be more stable. What a laugh!11:24
sloefArafangion: Debian is indeed a bit more stable than (k)ubuntu, although it's loosing quality as well (in my opinion)11:24
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Arafangionsloef: How so?11:24
dhqhh:11:25
dhq|lostbyte|: you there11:25
sloefArafangion: general feeling ... like applications crashing, (ab)using memory, ...11:25
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enzo_intelikey: Not even close! I do thank you for explaining this upgrade. I have never done a dist-upgrade... I started with Kubuntu Dapper Drake since day 1 of the full release June 1, 2k6.11:25
Arafangionsloef: So, don't use those apps.11:25
sloefArafangion: So, I can't use X, firefox, ... ?11:26
sloefkwin has crashed on me as well several times11:26
sloefso no more kde either?11:26
enzo_intelikey: says that kubuntu-desktop won't be installed due to the lack of    "digikam"  and  "hwdb-client-kde"11:26
Arafangionsloef: We are talking about Sarge?11:26
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enzo_intelikey: I am doing   "sudo apt-get install -f {packages}11:27
ArafangionDamn, MS Office is planned to be $1150 now.11:27
intelikeyenzo_ well your welcome.  and i apologize about the misread,  i thought i saw you say about an hour ago that kubuntu-desktop was NOT installed...11:27
ehirdArafangion: hah11:27
ehirdimagine when they bundle it with their OS11:27
intelikeyenzo_ mmmm   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    churned that out ?11:27
enzo_it is installed, but the dapper version11:27
ehird"Windows Vista, only $2000! Hells yeah!"11:27
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magicmikeHey sloef, it's a crap-shoot. It might or it might not work.11:28
sloefArafangion: Mostly (k)ubuntu (hoary, dapper, edgy) ... I mainly use Debian as server OS (which is currently still does perfectly)11:28
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WHorU:)11:29
cpk1Arafangion: good thing open office is free11:29
cpk1and so is koffice11:29
intelikeyenzo_ ?11:29
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Arafangionsloef: I guess we're not even talking about Debian, let alone Sarge.11:29
enzo_intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3014311:29
enzo_That's the readout from  "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"11:30
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sloefArafangion: It took me quite some effort to get my sound (alsa) properly working on Sarge ... i've not managed to get midi to work (which used to be just sndcfg in Redhat 7.0)11:30
Arafangionenzo_: Why does that have numbers?11:30
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fdoving!upgrade | enzo_11:31
ubotuenzo_: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)11:31
sloefArafangion: Sarge on the desktop has quite old packages11:31
Arafangionsloef: At least they're stable.11:31
enzo_fdoving, Those are the instructions that I'm following11:31
nikolahello again :)   How can I install wine on kubuntu 6.10?11:31
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Dzanyhello again :)   How can I install wine on kubuntu 6.10?11:31
fdovingenzo_: so, what's the problem? you'll have to contine, if you read the instructions, you'll see that kubuntu-desktop is re-installed in one of the next steps.11:31
intelikeyenzo_ hmmm that's odd11:32
ArafangionDzany: Now, nobody will help you.11:32
intelikeyfdoving dist-upgrade is going to remove kubuntu-desktop11:32
sloefArafangion: I've lost 160 G because of an upgrade in lvm (it was setup striping over 2 disks)11:32
intelikeyfdoving on enzo_'s box not mine.11:32
Arafangionsloef: Why did you upgrade lvm, especially without backups?11:32
sloefArafangion: why shouldn't I use apt-get upgrade ?11:33
Arafangionsloef: Though, this is actually a pet peave of mine in Ubuntu - it's so damn eager to upgrade the kernel. :(11:33
sloefShouldn't break anything, right?11:33
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Dzanyok.I found that adept manager and I tried to enter 'deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main' and nothing happends???11:33
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Arafangionsloef: Ubuntu' upgradability sucks compared to Debian, though from what I hear, is at least as good as quite a number of other distros.11:33
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Arafangionsloef: But... On a server, I never do an apt-get upgrade11:34
sloefArafangion: Then how do you keep it current (security patches etc?)11:34
Arafangionsloef: I always instead use apt-get upgrade --dry-run instead, and carefully incrementally upgrade it.11:34
intelikeyfdoving why cant they just upgrade the meta package kubuntu-desktop ?11:35
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intelikeymeta packages can and are versioned also ?11:35
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sloefArafangion: Everything was properly upgraded ... (it's been a while) ... but after a reboot, it didn't recognise the lvm setup anymore11:35
snikkeri've a problea with small fonts for normal user, but for root it's all ok. why?11:36
intelikeyfdoving was that a packaging oversight ?11:36
PsySinekubuntu uses the integrated soundcard, even though i disabled in in bios, how can i make it use my other one?11:36
Arafangionsloef: You probably upgraded the kernel, and consequently used LVM2 instead of LVM111:36
sloefArafangion: I've never touched lvm anymore after that ... I'm using software raid now11:36
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Arafangionsloef: I'm not sure if LVM is that great, myself, for a low-mid range server.11:37
sloefArafangion: possibly. but still no matter what happens, it shouldn't loose data ... I spent quite a long time to recover the data ... (fortunately there was not much of great importance on there anyways)11:37
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Arafangionsloef: Take it up with Debian.11:37
snikkernone?11:38
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sloefArafangion: it's been too long, and I did take it up with Debian at the time ... currently I have a problem with (k)ubuntu11:38
canine_koujidebian Suuuuxx ;)11:38
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canine_koujietch will come out in year 2010 ;)11:38
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dhq* lolz11:39
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Arafangioncanine_kouji: Actually, Debian's development has increased heaps since they retired the m68k version.11:40
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sloefI've been using Linux exclusively for over 3 years on my personal desktop ... and I must say XP SP2 doesn't look so bad to me. (if some of my friends would hear this, they would be very surprised) ...11:40
Arafangionsloef: I can't stand windows, as a programmer.11:41
tobiaswaa11:41
tobiasthe x word11:41
intelikeysloef can you define "doesn't look so bad" ?11:41
sloefArafangion: I hate the lack of the cli tools a huge deficit as well (I like perl as well for scripting)11:41
Arafangionsloef: Though, MS has recently hidden the EULA for vista, (So it's quite hard to find now), and grudgingly allowed people to reinstall it more than once.11:42
ehirdsolef: YIKES :O11:42
tobiasMS is some kind of disease?11:42
Arafangionsloef: cygwin does heaps to address that flaw, but it still slow.11:42
sloefintelikey: it just "works" and keeps working (yes, it does) ... I've never lost any partitions on windows ... an update never left me with an "unbootable" system11:42
iberthey guys: before you start flaming XP - everybody has to know if he wants to use it, could you help me with a simple tar problem?11:43
Arafangionsloef: You're lucky :)11:43
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rahmetlithere is a information bar at the bottom of the adept,there writes, download 606 Mb,does it mean it will download 606 mb and install it?11:44
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ibertI want to create a tar archive whitout the whole path from / to the files...11:44
sloefBut I'm just disappointed with Linux atm :( ... perhaps time to make a jump to bsd or mac ...11:44
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intelikeylet me see if i have this streight ?    <sloef> I've been using Linux exclusively for over 3 years on my personal desktop ... && I've never lost any partitions on windows ... an update never left me with an "unbootable" system <---  ah where/when was all this windows testing in the last 3.5 years ???11:44
Arafangionsloef: I am extremely impressed with OpenBSD, though it's hardware support does lag. (Ironically, it has better wifi than linux)11:45
enzo_intelikey: Thank you. I am following another method that I found per fdoving's link. Time to go to bed. Thanks again for all your help.11:45
ehirdi've just crashed audacity trying to make a song 99% longer11:45
ehird:D11:45
Arafangionehird: Bah, should've just jumped the gun and made it 100% longer.11:45
rahmetlithere is a information bar at the bottom of the adept,there writes, download 606 Mb,does it mean it will download 606 mb and install it?11:45
intelikeyenzo_ yeah your welcome.  and the removing of kubuntu-desktop rather than upgrading the meta package seems to be one among many "querks"11:46
ehirdArafangion: can't, its the max it'd let me11:46
sloefintelikey: I've been using Windows since 3.11 (I've bought windows 98 upgrade in retail and had bought windows 2000 beta legally for my machine)11:46
ehirdit made a 470 seconds song into 4700011:46
ehirdmaybe it would work on a pop song instead of prog rock :p11:46
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lozhi ti all11:46
dopehola11:47
Arafangionsloef: I run a pure linux system here, and have managed a number of (personal) debian servers. :)11:47
sloefintelikey: from 1994-2003 is a long enough period of testing, I suppose?11:47
loztu habla espaol'11:47
Arafangionsloef: Each to his own, but every OS has it's glitches.11:47
dopeso what's really the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu? something about one uses KDE but what is that11:47
Arafangionsloef: Windows is probably fine if you have the $$, and you don't install much crap.11:47
sloefArafangion: I know ... there is a reason I switched to Linux exclusively11:47
intelikeysloef never mind....    that last 3 years thing was the point.11:47
Arafangionsloef: And don't use IE :)11:47
cpk1!es | loz11:47
ubotuloz: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.11:47
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lozno but i m english11:48
Arafangionsloef: btw, as a programmer, I don't think I'm /allowed/ to use Vista.11:48
markelhashi ppl11:48
Arafangionsloef: As the EULA explicitly restricts the user from working around OS limitations.11:48
lozuboto: where is the pipe key on spanish keyboard please?11:48
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sloefArafangion: I won't touch Vista with a stick either ... I've seen it bluescreen several times (on a "test-machine" at work) but just logging in11:48
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markelhashow can i install wine to use a windows program?11:49
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Arafangiongtg11:49
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markelhasdoes kubuntu already have wine?11:49
bayerpls help, every soundapp i start (amarok, xmms, mplayer) crashes with a segmentation fault!11:49
sloefArafangion: The problem is not how "bad" other OSes are ... the problem is (in my perspective) the quality of Linux is dropping11:49
Arafangionsloef: I just think you're now looking at Linux with a critical eye.11:49
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sloefArafangion: I've seen XP improving over the years and Linux deteriorating (more features, but less stable)11:50
lozsloef: i agree with Arafangion, have you tried edgy yet?11:50
magicmikeI agree sloef.11:50
dopeso what's really the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu? something about one uses KDE but what is that11:50
ibertin the time you slammed your opponents OS's I have solved my problem. thanksfor ignoring11:50
sloefloz: I'm on edgy ... but I have to use the dapper kernel because I can't the 2.6.17 kernel to boot11:50
magicmikeLike they say, you get what you pay for.11:50
cpk1markelhas: apt-get install wine11:50
dopewhat is wine11:51
markelhasthks11:51
intelikeyfor the record it wasn't because M$'s windows xp didn't work that i refused to use it. it was because it did some things automaticly that couldn't be prevented, and when you tell it to not do that it says ok but does it anyway.  (loading drivers for one)   and then there was the eula  which i either had to lie about or just not install M$ so guess where M$ went            not on my hdd  you can bet that....11:51
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markelhasdidn't find any11:51
sloefmagicmike: No ... ever heared of value for money?11:51
Arafangionloz: Edgy's even worse - can't even upgrade the damn thing and expect it to just work11:51
sinuxHi everybody. Im in a kubuntu, I would like to share internet service betwen my kubuntu and a OsX via ethernet. I ve configured it to give an Ip number with DHCP but I dont know how to pass the internet service. Any help ? thks !!11:52
Arafangionsinux: It's OS X, not OsX :)11:52
markelhascpk1: how can i search whit apt-get?11:52
magicmikeEver hear of just because you know something doesn't make you a genius and no it all?11:52
ibertsinux: which internet service? http, mail, voip etc?11:52
magicmikeknow11:52
sloefsinux: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE; echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward11:52
cpk1markelhas: apt-cache search iamlookingforthis11:52
intelikeyibert shared connection11:53
fdovingintelikey: kubuntu-desktop is upgraded. (yes, meta packages are versioned too), but the old kubuntu-desktop will have to be removed when it depends on something the new one conflicts with. (upstart replacing sysvinit). Removing kubuntu-desktop in it self, is not dangerous.11:53
lozsloef: still you cant  compare windows to ubuntu,xjl alone beats the crap out of it...11:53
sinuxhttp service11:53
lozxgl11:53
markelhasthnks11:53
ibertintelikey: wow :-) I thought he wants an apache for testing...11:53
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intelikeyfdoving i know it's just a meta package.   but shouldn't the dist-upgrade just simply upgrade the meta-packages also...11:54
sloefloz: I've used xgl on Dapper, and although it looks nice, it has many quirks (or how do you write that) ... e.g. it doesn't support other keyboard layouts (at least half a year ago when I tested it)11:54
ehirdmagicmike: i know the word is "know"11:54
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sinuxiptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE; echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward      whats the meaning ? Shuld I execute as root ?11:54
sloefsinux: yes ... on the gateway (Linux) box11:55
sloefwell ... if eth0 is your interface to internet11:55
magicmikeAll I know is to a new user this is the way to go. One guy says edgy is the best another tells you dapper, on11:55
intelikeymagicmike who told you dapper ?11:55
lozsloef: i ve used a fresh install of kubuntu 6.1, it works ok, but with the gnome server even better, exept on water effects, wich could use some improvement, and that is with a spanish keyboard layout, so...11:56
sloefI will probably remain on Linux though, it's just I've been frustrated and needed to "rant" ... perhaps I'll checkout XP and BSD11:56
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sinuxeth1 is my internet interface11:56
sloefloz: it's 6.10 (not 6.1 ... it didn't come out in january)11:56
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lozsloef: oopsie11:56
sloefsorry11:56
magicmikeMan, I've been dealing with this stuff for a few weeks now. Finally got this thing working pretty well on my own, then I wake up to find my friggin desltop at a size I can't work with.11:56
magicmikeSmart-a--- tell you it's got to be something you've done like you're some ftiggin idiot.11:57
sinuxsloef THKS !! do you know where can I have a tutorial of iptables ?11:57
lozsloef: do you know much about wifi, or where i could find more info for a laptop?11:57
fdovingintelikey: it's hard to do in this special case. As the dapper kubuntu-desktop depends on things that are beeing removed in edgy. You can of course upgrade kubuntu-desktop first, but that will break other things, as kubuntu-desktop in edgy depends on things not existing in dapper. I think this can be solved somehow, with Pre-Depends.11:57
sloefsinux: http://www.netfilter.org11:57
intelikeymagicmike i think you are maybe refering to my telling someone that upgrading from dapper to edgy was a bit bumpy  and from what i have been reading in here for the last week there are lots of issues...11:57
sloefsinux: checkout some of the docs (they can be hard to find at first, but they are pretty good)11:58
dopeOSX is based on UNIX right11:58
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magicmikeNot just talking about that. I'm talking about what I have observed from just hanging around the channel for a few weeks.11:58
sloefloz: I've had pretty bad experiences with wifi as well, I'm wire only now :)11:58
intelikeyfdoving k.     that's a lot to think about for now.    i'll study on it a bit.11:58
lozany body got some links for installing wifi on a laptop?11:59
sloefloz: unless you use wifi in the same room, I find it quite unreliable11:59
sloefor at least in my house ...11:59
sinuxi get : bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: Permission denied11:59
lozsloef:  thanks anyway, got it working on my new spanish laptop, but not on the old one...11:59
sloefOr perhaps my router is really b0rked11:59
lozsloef: must agree, the range is less than it was with windows...12:00
sloefsinux: are you root?12:00
sinuxwith sudo12:00
sinuxsudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE; echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward12:01
magicmikeSome of you guys, not all think just because you've grasped how this works that you're above everyone to the point that you're some sort of Linux God! I have read much of the docs that are out there on this release and can tell you that most average, computer users will not grasp this without real and sincere support.12:01
sloefsinux: sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward12:01
lozsloef: have you ever tried using ndiswrapper, for window pilotes?12:01
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sloefloz: no. I buy hardware that (should be) supported by Linux12:01
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intelikeymagicmike well for the record.  i've stated several times that "i'll just stick with LTS"  one reason is that i'm on dialup and a dist-upgrade is not desireable under any condition....   but another is that i don't often use the gui and on a cli basis there is not much real differance in any linux distro/release for the last several years.     but as to personal openion of *buntu  i think it's highly over rated.     don't 12:02
sloefsinux: btw : sudo != root12:03
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lozsloef: guess that is the way il have to go, just anoying to have an integtated wifi card, and not be able to use it...12:03
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intelikey<sloef> sinux: btw : sudo != root <--- sense when ?12:04
magicmikeHey, I'm not trying to piss on anyone. Just stating my feelings on the matter. I'm not looking to be spoon-fed. .12:04
intelikeysudo == root jr.   in the *buntu world of default settings.12:05
magicmikeDoes jende still frequent this channel?12:05
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intelikeyhaven't seen jende in quite a while.12:05
sinuxok Im a dumb as! im loging as root thks :D12:05
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intelikey!seen jende12:06
ubotuI last saw jende (n=jende@p57A2EECB.dip.t-dialin.net) 14h 20m 59s ago, changing nicks12:06
intelikeyi just wasn't here...12:06
BuFFHOW TO RAR AND UNRAR A FILE ?12:06
cpk1intelikey: he is hiding =P12:06
intelikey!rar12:06
uboturar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free12:06
intelikey!unrar-free12:07
ubotuunrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB12:07
fdovingBuFF: LIKE THIS: 'UNRAR X FILE.RAR'12:07
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intelikeynope  UNRAR >> command not found   lol12:07
fdoving:)12:07
intelikeycase   :)12:07
fdovingi know, it was on purpose.12:07
intelikey8*|12:08
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intelikeycpk1 from me ?12:08
sloefintelikey: Does sudo take over the environment of root? ... sudo is your environment with root privileges12:08
intelikeywith -i12:08
lozubotu: i ve seen you here before, you must be a veteran, possibly you could guide me to a good site for installing wifi on a laptop, with a ubuntu lts?12:08
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about i ve seen you here before, you must be a veteran, possibly you could guide me to a good site for installing wifi on a laptop, with a ubuntu lts? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:08
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intelikey!bot | loz12:09
ubotuloz: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl  -  Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots12:09
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fdoving!wifi | loz12:09
ubotuloz: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs12:09
lozubotu: thanks12:09
ubotuThanks for the help!12:09
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intelikey!botsnack12:09
ubotuYum!12:10
abattoirloz: ubotu is a bot, a computer program12:10
intelikeyan irc robot12:10
lozabattoir: wow, holy crap, did not know that was possible12:11
intelikey!bot | loz12:11
ubotuloz: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl  -  Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots12:11
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intelikeyloz notice the statements that start with either "ubotu"  or with "!"    that triggers a response12:12
sloefintelikey: k. (didn't know the -i ... )12:12
intelikeysloef man intro12:12
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intelikeysloef and  man man12:12
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sloefintelikey: ?12:13
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intelikeysloef run those two commands    man intro      man man      almost all commands have a manual page   and man accesses them12:13
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sloefintelikey: No, really? :p12:14
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intelikeyone exception is the bash built-in commands/functions   help read     help ulimit      or even  help help12:14
ehirdaudacity is still extending that song12:15
sloefintelikey: thanks for that help ....12:15
intelikeyhelp is a bash built-in that acts like a mini man page reader.12:15
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intelikeyfor the bash built-in's of course.12:16
sloefintelikey: are you still talking to me?12:16
intelikeyah to whom it may concern12:16
sloefk12:16
intelikeyyou never know who might be reading that actually wants to know.12:17
sloefintelikey: ok :)12:17
sloefs/wants/needs/12:17
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intelikeyi try not to teach/rant while it's busy in here.12:17
intelikeyedit your own text.12:17
intelikey:)12:18
intelikeymany need to know but few want to know.12:18
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intelikeyinfo is another source of usefull information at the shell prompt12:19
sloefintelikey: I used to be more rtfm myself, but distros like (k)ubuntu are not for rtfm people (imho), so you can't expect them to actually rtfm.12:19
intelikeyany time you start typing in a shell  read the manual applies.12:20
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MistaEDsloef: "what is a rtfm? i'm using kubunto"12:20
MistaED:P12:20
sloefMistaED: rtfm = read the fscking manual :)12:20
kharloss:D12:20
intelikeyrtfm==read the * manual12:20
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MistaEDyeah a joke ;)12:20
dopelol12:20
intelikeyfirst,fine,full,and some words that are not welcome here.12:21
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sloefintelikey: the manual is often not created for newbies. I had quite some difficulties understanding them myself in the beginning. (even now I use them as a reference rather than read first, do later)12:22
intelikeywhen i learned what the f was in rtfm it was full but has been used in many ways...12:22
xsachaf***ing?12:23
xsacha:P12:23
xsachaif it's in caps with an angry face after it...12:23
intelikeysloef hehhe yeah.  some are quite cryptic   but they are all good if all you want is to know what switch to add to a string....12:23
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intelikey>:] 12:24
sloefintelikey: not always ... some manuals are too large and finding which option to use for a special purpose can be a daunting task (especially for people who never used man before)12:24
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intelikeyto large to  /-e12:25
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intelikeycome on....  rtfm on less12:25
sloefintelikey: try learning bash scripting from man bash12:25
intelikeyor ?-e as the case might be12:25
intelikeysloef i did.12:25
Tm_Tmplayer manual is short.12:25
cpk1iptables man however is *not* short12:26
intelikeyfirst you learn to use less  then you have no trouble with it.12:26
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sloefI learned more from tldp.org than from manuals (I think)12:26
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intelikeyless is more than more.12:27
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sloef1) learn which applications to use for your task (tldp.org); 2) learn the applications to tweak for your task (man)12:27
sloefThat's how I did it12:27
sloefand how I still do it (although tldp.org has been replaced by "google")12:28
ehirdwhat's the keyboard shortcut to xkill?12:28
iarwainCtrl-Alt-Esc12:29
intelikeyhehhe i remember doing t[tab]    reads the list  hmmm  tic i wonder that that does    enters tic  gets   newline with >12:29
intelikeyhut oh....12:29
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intelikey:)12:29
ehirdthanks12:29
ehirdusefull12:29
iarwainnp =)12:29
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intelikeylearning linux commands by type and see what happens is lots of fun.... :)12:30
sloefehird: Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace ... is also very powerfull (it kills your entire X) (don't try it now though)12:30
ehirdsloef: i know about c+a+bs ;)12:30
ehirdhowever, i prefer a reboot over it as it's hackish and often messes X stuff up for me12:30
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Agent_bobmodem reset12:31
sloefkilled by peer (who is peer?)12:32
Agent_bobmine that is not ehird12:32
ubuntu_when i install kubuntu my xp is stuffed12:32
Agent_bobpeer is same as client is it not12:32
ehirdAgent_bob: what the hell rae you talking about12:32
ehirdoh12:33
Agent_bob!boot12:33
ubotuBoot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions  -  To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d  -  To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local  -  See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy  -  Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto12:33
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ehirdi knew there was a way to do it!!!12:33
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ehirdhmm12:34
ehirdwhy wasn't 6.10 called etchy Eft? XD12:34
bayerpls help, every soundapp i start (amarok, xmms, mplayer) crashes with a segmentation fault!12:35
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Agent_bobehird it's the nomynclature of the buntu12:35
ehirdAgent_bob: moral of the story: don't try and use big words if you can't spell them :)12:36
Agent_bobthat'll work if you likey12:36
JakubSis there way to blacklist module from initrd?12:36
Agent_bobJakubS you can not include them in the initramfs.img   i don't know about blacklisting them12:37
sloefHmmz ... how come I only see 3 directories when I browse my filesystem? (/home /debootstrap and /media?)12:37
JakubSok, i guess removing it from /lib/modules and regenerating initramfs should do12:37
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Agent_bobroot bug12:38
Agent_bobJakubS what module is it ?12:38
JakubSata_piix - i want ahci to be used instead12:38
JakubSas it has ncq12:38
sloefIs that a 'feature'?12:39
JakubSsloef: ncq?12:39
Agent_bobsloef check the bug listing12:39
Agent_bob!bug12:39
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots12:39
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Agent_bobwhy would there be a /debootstrap dir... ?12:41
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JakubSand here i thought it was 'feature' for novice users :-)12:42
ubuntu_help? Must I install XP and THEN kubuntu or vice versa12:42
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ArafangionSpam's become truely bizare lately.12:42
zorglu_!mbr12:42
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto12:42
zorglu_ubuntu_: this page may help12:42
enoteektorrent really slow i read something about port forwarding on my router but i cant find it again12:42
ArafangionOne with a title "exotic skinny-dipping", but is justselling boring shares.12:42
Cyron!grub12:42
Agent_bobxp first cause it's liable to hose linux12:42
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ubuntu_thanks12:43
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wiccanoprPuerto Rico12:43
Agent_bob!pr12:43
zorglu_enotee: to enable port forwarding will likely increase your download speed12:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about pr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:43
F_for_Fraggingenotee: verify if UPnP is enabled on your router, then enable the UPnP plugin in KTorrent, UPnP will forward ports automatically12:43
enoteek thanks12:44
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F_for_Fraggingenotee: that's just another easier way to solve it, you can also manually forward the ports in your router if that doesn't work for you, but that might be more complicated12:44
Agent_bobwhere's the linux defragmenter located ?12:45
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SHRIKEEdefragmenting is an illusion of improvement12:46
Agent_bobso where is the linux defragmenter located ?12:46
SHRIKEEdunno :P12:46
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ehirdan yideas why i have tens of lag and my HD is working a lot?12:46
zorglu_there is one e2defrag or something12:46
ehirdi only have konversation, knotes, kopete, konqueror open12:46
SHRIKEEbackground services perhaps, ehird12:47
zorglu_ehird: likely a background task updating some kind of database12:47
Agent_bobehird heh sounds like visitors12:47
SHRIKEEAgent_bob: visitors?12:47
ulaasyay12:47
zorglu_ehird: do a 'top' a look what is on top12:47
zorglu_the manpage stuff, or updatedb12:47
Agent_bobif it's caussing lag  then yeah script kiddies12:47
SHRIKEEdont be stupid12:48
SHRIKEEAgent_bob:12:48
zorglu_or simply disk io12:48
ulaaslatest apt-get upgrade offers me to remove xorg?12:48
ehirdeh, audacity is hogging 100% of cpu and 50% of ram even tho i ctrlaltescape killed it :p12:48
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SHRIKEEwhoa ulaas, lol12:48
Agent_bobSHRIKEE you explain how updatedb can cause lag please12:48
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zorglu_Agent_bob: updatedb use disk a lot, so it lag12:48
SHRIKEEi wont, but i also dont get why alot of people always say theyre hacked because theyre pc is slow12:48
SHRIKEEthats just stupid you kno12:49
SHRIKEEknow12:49
sloefAgent_bob: disk-io has high priority (at least it used to be ... didn't follow that in 2.6 development)12:49
Agent_bobzorglu_ you can take the hdd out a throw it away it's not gonna cause lag12:49
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zorglu_hmm ok :)12:49
zorglu_Agent_bob: you dont know much about sheduling, do you ?12:50
SHRIKEE...12:50
JakubSvery strange, ahci driver gives me ~17MB/s and ata_piix 34MB/s12:50
SHRIKEElooking at his comments he doesnt know much at all ;P12:50
ehirdbleh...........................12:50
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ehirdit's still doing disk acitivity but its likely thsi irc room12:50
ehird:p12:50
SHRIKEEehird, try a reboot and see what changes12:50
sikor_sxei install kubuntu edgy on a loptop w/o problems, but i cannot run guidance-power-manager, it fails with python errors. i have to use gnome-power-manager instead, which works fine12:50
ehirdshrikee: no thanks12:50
SHRIKEE..12:50
ehirdalthough it is making a quick ticking noise right now12:51
ehirdodd.12:51
Agent_bobzorglu_ yeah colour me stupid and ignore me.   an irc connection like this does not lag because of disk io  even failed hardware.12:51
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SHRIKEEon my server the memory used to fill up making it slow after like 2 months of uptime12:51
Arafangionehird: Either an old design, or indicating that it's on the way out.12:51
SHRIKEEmaybe that happens to you now12:51
ehirdArafangion: it is quite low end ...12:51
ehirdbut meh12:51
zorglu_Agent_bob: i dont think you are stupid, you are just very assertive about something you dont know12:51
ehirdnormally a reboot solves that stuff or it just goes away12:51
SHRIKEEyes12:52
SHRIKEEthats why i sugested it12:52
ArafangionAgent_bob: Perhaps you could make it faster by not turning on DMA.12:52
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SHRIKEEisnt dma supposed to speed things up?12:52
ArafangionSHRIKEE: SHHH!12:52
SHRIKEElol12:52
sikor_sxei got the same errors when starting guidance-power-manager as in this thread: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/53174/12:52
ArafangionSHRIKEE: It results in very, very significant speedups, but it still doesn't prevent lag.12:53
SHRIKEEtrue12:53
ehirdfrom yesterday, apparently acpi is throttling my cpu at 1ghz (leik omg i'm missing out on .8ghz!!!2121212). how would I fix this? just disable acpi?12:53
SHRIKEEbut will it not lagg more if you turn it off?12:53
ArafangionSHRIKEE: I've tested it. :)12:53
ArafangionSHRIKEE: And yes, it would.12:54
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Agent_bobArafangion one could even mount -o sync  couldn't they12:54
SHRIKEEehird: go to k-menu click run command12:54
SHRIKEEtype kcontrol12:54
SHRIKEEand go to powermanage12:54
SHRIKEEsee if its throttled12:54
SHRIKEEthat happened to me on dapper :(12:54
ehirdwhere's power management located in there?12:54
SHRIKEEsome icon with a powerplug12:55
SHRIKEEred-ish12:55
ehirdah. i don't have one.12:55
ArafangionAgent_bob: In any case, if two processors are waiting for a slow medium, one will have to wait. And there is simply no way to work around that without cach'ing the entire thing in RAM.12:55
SHRIKEEhmm12:55
ehirdisn't that only for laptops?12:55
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SHRIKEEmaybe12:55
SHRIKEEhow about acpi stuff?12:55
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ehirdbecause this is a desktop pc12:55
SHRIKEEits called powercontrol here12:55
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ehird"acpi" in console just gives a blank line12:55
SHRIKEEbut yes this is a laptop12:55
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Agent_bobArafangion so it makes you irc lag....     ummmmm hmmmmmm12:56
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ehirdso i guess it isn't acpi?12:56
SHRIKEEehird12:56
SHRIKEEacpi -V12:56
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zorglu_ok lets drop this 'does disk io slow down computer' thread12:56
erandaI just installed Kubuntu and their is no option to eject in the My Flash Drive icon on the desktop. Pls help me12:56
ArafangionAgent_bob: Sure, if you log your convos.12:56
SHRIKEEeranda just pull it out12:56
ehirdehird@ehird-desktop:~$ acpi -V12:57
ehird     Thermal 1: ok, 39.0 degrees C12:57
erandaSHRIKEE: Seriously?12:57
ehirdthat's all it says12:57
eranda;)12:57
SHRIKEEthats what i do, eranda, works fine12:57
SHRIKEEehird: hmm i dont know then12:57
ArafangionGuys, keep ACPI in unless it's causing problems.12:58
ehirdof course there's a chance i do just have a 1ghz processor, but I strongly believe it's .8 (or i've been scammed!)12:58
ehirdis there any way to check that would ignore throttles, etc.?12:58
SHRIKEEacpi makes a mess of my fanspeeds, but if i kill it i think it'll burn my cpu out12:58
SHRIKEE:D12:58
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Agent_bobArafangion "keep ACPI in unless it's causing problems."    explain ?12:58
SHRIKEEehird, you might be able to check that in your bios12:58
SHRIKEEalso at the bootup sequence12:58
JakubSwhat's wrong with throttling? it should return to max speed as soon as it is needed12:59
SHRIKEEwhere the memory is counted the speed should be shown12:59
SHRIKEEJakubS: indeed it should12:59
ArafangionAgent_bob: Why do I need to explain common sense?12:59
SHRIKEEbutsometimes wont12:59
zorglu_oh i wasnt aware of this 'acpi' command12:59
ehirdbios makes me run screaming from the room, but kay :D12:59
zorglu_i was still using kludge with /proc :)12:59
JakubSme too :-)12:59
SHRIKEEwhy ehird01:00
ehird(not because i don't understand it, because i've messed up my computer so many times in it :D)01:00
Agent_bobjust asking if you had a reason for it ?     if you don't load acpi wont bios still handle fans and such ?01:00
JakubS60 C, not bad01:00
ehirdi need to stop playing around with stuffs ,o/ \o, :D01:00
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SHRIKEEhaha01:00
JakubSdepends on bios and computer01:00
SHRIKEEindeed, some bios can handle it01:00
SHRIKEEmine cant i think01:00
JakubSnewer machines tend to leave more and more stuff to operating system (and acpi)01:00
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ehirdbecause it seems that it is actually not letting my cpu use more than 1ghz01:01
Agent_bobah ok bios that doesn't do that,,, makes sense in that respect.01:01
ehirdsaying this based on even on a bloated windows system with more stuff on it, it's faster to switch windows etc. than a lihgtweight ubuntu install01:01
SHRIKEEall advanced functions in my bios were deferred to some windows app :(01:01
zorglu_ehird: to check the actual frequency of your cpu, do 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'01:01
SHRIKEEand here i am on kubuntu01:01
SHRIKEE:P01:01
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JakubSin good old days you could just overclock cpu and no damned acpi or bios would prevent that :-)01:02
SHRIKEEyou can still 'just' overclock01:02
ehirdzorglu_: says the same as Kinfocenter, i.e. 1ghz01:02
ehirdbut i doubt it01:02
SHRIKEEall those idiots and nerds do it in my class :S01:02
zorglu_ehird: well it is what the cpu claims to be01:03
zorglu_ehird: unlikely it has been modified01:03
JakubSehird: /proc/cpuinfo is quite good source of information01:03
ehirdzorglu_: well it's lying! or i  got ripped off01:03
ehird:(01:03
zorglu_ehird: or it is 1ghz :)01:03
SHRIKEEzorglu_ no, my cpu is 1.7 ghz and kubuntu made it run at 800mhz all the time01:03
cntbhow to install xen01:03
cntbchannel for xen VM?01:03
SHRIKEEi had to unthrottle manually01:03
JakubSSHRIKEE: in my case too, and i like it this way :-)01:03
ehirdzorglu_: ripped off = they sold me a 1ghz cpu instead of 1,8 as they said01:03
zorglu_SHRIKEE: and /proc/cpuinfo give it as 800mgz ?01:03
SHRIKEEyah01:03
SHRIKEEon dapper01:03
zorglu_ehird: ah ok :)01:03
dizzieG'day all01:04
SHRIKEEim on edgt now which has it running at 1700mhz01:04
zorglu_hmm ok there is a tool for this01:04
zorglu_cpufreqd or something01:04
JakubSSHRIKEE: is it pentium-m ?01:04
SHRIKEEyes01:04
SHRIKEEcentrino yes01:04
SHRIKEEbut dapper made it run at 800mhz by default01:04
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SHRIKEEedgy doesnt01:04
SHRIKEEso its no biggie :)01:04
zorglu_damn! mine too01:04
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JakubSSHRIKEE: i use edgy and it runs 800Mhz by default01:05
SHRIKEE:o01:05
zorglu_model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz -> cpu MHz         : 598.56801:05
vandenoeverhello, is there already subversion 1.4 for edgy?01:05
SHRIKEE...01:05
SHRIKEEhold on01:05
ArafangionSHRIKEE: Ubuntu makes my cpu run at 733MHz most of the time - until I do something quite intensive, then I get 1.3 Ghz or whatever.01:05
JakubSi got rid of cpufreqd and rest of userspace stuff and use 'ondemand' in-kernel policy instead01:05
SHRIKEE1729mhz here01:05
SHRIKEEand i never changed it01:05
SHRIKEEi would like lm-sensors to pick up my thermal stuffs01:06
SHRIKEE:(01:06
SHRIKEEbut it doesnt01:06
ArafangionJakubS: 'ondemand' is quite good indeed.01:06
SHRIKEEedgy doesnt have those profiles no more01:06
JakubSlike ondemand?01:06
SHRIKEEwhich i think is quite a loss01:06
SHRIKEEno profiles what so ever01:06
JakubSsure it does, it is just a kernel module01:07
SHRIKEEhow do i get them01:07
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SHRIKEEbecause theyre gone since i upgraded01:07
JakubSmodprobe cpufreq_ondemand does not work?01:07
zorglu_hmm good thing, now i know that linux is using one third of the power available :)01:07
SHRIKEEshows me nothing01:07
JakubSgood :-)01:07
ehirdi just want to disable evil throttling01:07
zorglu_and doing cpu intensive stuff doesnt seems to change it :)01:07
ehirdi have the .8ghz for a reason >_> <_<01:08
SHRIKEEehird, set throttling to 0% then01:08
Arafangionzorglu_: What kind of CPU intensive stuff?01:08
ehirdSHRIKEE: how?01:08
SHRIKEEin acpi ;P01:08
zorglu_Arafangion: compiling stuff with 2 simultaneous gcc01:08
JakubS /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq show current module used01:08
ehirdSHRIKEE: <how>01:08
JakubSis it 'ondemand' or 'userspace' ?01:08
SHRIKEEdoes anyone know how to enable fancontrol on a centrino laptop?01:08
Arafangionzorglu_: That might do it.01:09
SHRIKEEehird, here i have this thing for it, but you dont. you said that before01:09
SHRIKEEpower manager...01:09
Arafangionzorglu_: :)01:09
Arafangionzorglu_: Out of itnerest, what language?01:09
Arafangion:)01:09
zorglu_c++01:09
zorglu_ok i will try to fix this later01:09
zorglu_Arafangion: it is one of my box i use to build, compiling time is important :)01:09
Arafangionzorglu_: Ahh, the least understood, most abused langauge. :(01:09
SHRIKEEdoes anyone know how to enable fancontrol on a centrino laptop?01:10
Arafangionzorglu_: Have you considered distcc?01:10
SHRIKEEor is linux that power intensive that it needs the fan to be on at all times?01:10
harmentalhi everybody...01:10
zorglu_Arafangion: yep it is what im using01:10
zorglu_Arafangion: my build process is quite complex :)01:10
JakubSSHRIKEE: well, fans seems to controlling itself just fine, at least on my centrino laptop01:10
Arafangionzorglu_: Cool :)  I'm actually more of a python programmer, so I haven't needed to use distcc yet.01:11
SHRIKEEyea it speeds up rarely01:11
SHRIKEEbut its always on01:11
SHRIKEE:(01:11
JakubSArafangion: i prefer icecream to distcc01:11
SHRIKEEon windows it used to be off by default01:11
ArafangionJakubS: I'm allergic to dairy :(01:11
zorglu_exec make -f Makefile.static -j1 CXX="/home/jerome/bin/cpu_temp_watchdog.sh 70 73 && distcc" $* <- isnt it nice and readable ? :)01:11
ArafangionJakubS: And that soy stuff is usually just nasty.01:11
zorglu_ok going back to work :)01:12
JakubSat least icecream has real job scheduling and you don't have to care about gcc versions like with distcc01:12
Arafangionzorglu_: Not as nice as a ./build ;)01:12
JakubSArafangion: being allergic to icecream is horrible curse01:12
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ArafangionJakubS: I used to be able to eat icecream as a child, which makes it worse :(  I still like the memory (10 year memory now) of mint choc chip icecream :(01:13
SHRIKEEis kpowersave a nice package?01:13
JakubSSHRIKEE: yes, it is01:13
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SHRIKEEdoes it work on centrino?01:14
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JakubSlike suspend?01:14
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SHRIKEEnah not that01:14
SHRIKEEi barely use suspend and hibernate01:14
JakubSit works ok01:14
JakubSbut for suspend i have to use 2.6.19-rc or 2.6.18+weird patches01:15
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SHRIKEEsuspens works fine without that thing installed01:15
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SHRIKEEout of the box :P01:15
JakubSlucky you01:15
Arafangionzorglu_: I'm actually wanting to develop a nice, _useable_ GC for C++01:15
zorglu_Arafangion: there are several already01:16
SHRIKEEi dont use it..01:16
ehirdhttp://www.vidarholen.net/contents/wordcount/ impressive01:16
Arafangionzorglu_: Most are conservative, or use ref counting, or are quite intrusive.01:16
intelikeyhmmm removing "  gnome-power-manager gnome-session gnome-volume-manager hal01:16
intelikey  hal-device-manager hwdb-client lvm-common lvm2 mdadm pcmciautils ubuntu-base01:16
intelikey  ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard udev update-notifier01:16
SHRIKEEzorglu_: http://sourceforge.net/projects/powersave/01:16
intelikey" should be ok   no ?01:16
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zorglu_JakubS: ok i got a dapper which doesnt move from 600mhz on a 1.6mhz cpu, how do i make fix it ? you talked about a 'ondemand' mode. where can i find more info about this01:16
zorglu_SHRIKEE: ?01:17
SHRIKEEmaybe its usefull :)01:17
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zorglu_lookin01:17
JakubSzorglu_: first you load module01:17
JakubSthen you enable it with: echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq01:17
Arafangionzorglu_: Infact, it's remarkably difficult to find GC's on the internet beyond shared_ptr's and boehm.01:17
JakubSand that's it01:18
JakubSArafangion: and what do you want to do differently?01:18
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zorglu_Arafangion: i dont follow the stuff, just know they want to put one optional in the next c++ standard01:18
intelikeyok.  i have removed them i think i should reboot so as to finish eleminating udev01:18
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eilkeranyone has "debconf nice value thing" in upgrade ?01:18
zorglu_JakubS: on my dapper, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq is a directory01:19
ArafangionJakubS: I would make it explicit, and realise that most C++ code is quite happy with RAII.01:19
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ArafangionJakubS: So, I would make it continue to work in that framework.01:19
ArafangionJakubS: In addition, I want to make it a true GC, not conservative or using ref counts. (Both are quite significaly flawed, imho)01:20
JakubSzorglu_: my mistake, file is /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor01:20
ArafangionJakubS: Unfortunately, it'll probably have to be some form of mark and sweap.01:20
ArafangionJakubS: I also _hope_ to be able to work well with swap'ed memories.01:20
TIger_ITJakubS: in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq  Ive just 2 files: topology and crash_notes01:20
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kroisishow can I install/access the program system-config-services under Kubuntu?  Is one similar to the one used in Fedora available?01:20
TIger_ITJakubS: I use Edgy01:20
lterswhere do u find the normal kde Screen(1/2) settings01:21
ArafangionJakubS: One GC for Java actually respects swap'ed memory, but that requires kernel patches :(01:21
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JakubSTIger_IT: also centrino?01:21
TIger_ITkroisis:  nooo01:21
TIger_ITkroisis: sorry01:21
TIger_ITJakubS: no...01:21
TIger_ITJakubS: just these 2 files01:22
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JakubSok, my question was unclear: your computer is centrino laptop?01:22
kroisisTIger_IT,  :(01:22
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TIger_ITJakubS: Inside topology, I ve:  core_id  core_siblings  physical_package_id  thread_siblings01:23
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SHRIKEEacpi thinks my centrino has no thermal sensors :(01:23
ArafangionJakubS: Why did you ask if you weren't interested? :)01:23
dude_microsoft + linux? heheheh01:23
TIger_ITJakubS: centrino is a cpu model ? right ?01:23
JakubSArafangion: i was interested and you responded01:23
georgebHi, I need some info regarding the sound system on ubuntu; I don't get it what is "the way" to make it work "perfect"; how can I make alsa to be full-duplex (to be able to use two sound enabled apps at the same time) or alsa is more like a low level layer for sound and I have to use arts for that ?01:24
SHRIKEEcentrino is a series01:24
ArafangionJakubS: Ahh, I was hoping for a discussion :)01:24
TIger_ITAMD ?01:24
kroisisTIger_IT,  any other sort of interface of a similar nature for shutting down any/all services running and saving as runlevel?01:24
SHRIKEEintel pentium centrino01:24
ArafangionJakubS: I should get some sleep before midnight, though.01:24
ehird/net/xfrm/xfrm_algo.c:      /* Fuck, we are miserable poor guys... */ -- kernel01:24
TIger_ITkroisis: sysv-rc-conf01:24
JakubSArafangion: sleep is good, coffee is better :-)01:25
SHRIKEEcoffee stinks01:25
TIger_ITkroisis: sysv-rc-conf (then choice the runlevel)01:25
ArafangionJakubS: That's when i wake up :)01:25
ArafangionJakubS: Two double-shot extra-short short-black's ground on my grinder at setting 19, not 20, not 18 :)01:25
JakubSSHRIKEE: not with milk and lots of sugar01:25
eilkeranyone knows the solutin ? Debconf error in Edgy upgrade01:25
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SHRIKEE...01:25
ArafangionJakubS: Black, with none, of course.01:25
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JakubSwoo, hardcore :-)01:26
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ArafangionJakubS: I also live in the nation's capital, and have TWO favorite cafe's I visit.01:26
bayerhow can i verify all the packages on my system?01:27
SHRIKEEArafangion: atleast you ahve an interresting life.... :P01:27
ArafangionJakubS: One gives a terrific espresso, and the other makes an amazing turkish :)01:27
eilkeranyone knows the solution ? Debconf error in Edgy upgrade01:27
SHRIKEEyah, follow the steps01:27
SHRIKEE:)01:27
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ArafangionSHRIKEE: I can't stand using a laptop in bed.  I don't want to get fluff and stuff in it. :(01:28
ArafangionSHRIKEE: Have you any idea how much *dust* gets in there?01:28
JakubSi'm not getting out of bed until i get hungry01:28
JakubSvacuum cleaner ...01:29
SHRIKEEArafangion: i clean it01:29
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SHRIKEEtake it apart adn stuff01:29
SHRIKEEnow brb01:29
ehirdJakubS: usb vaccum cleaner on the laptop!01:29
TIger_ITWhy there is a /proc and /sys ? why not just one ?01:29
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Hobbsee!mount01:29
ubotuPartitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks01:29
ehirdTIger_IT: because they're totally different/01:29
TIger_ITehird: mm01:29
Hobbsee!windows01:30
ubotuFor help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents01:30
ehirdnearest mental health institute suggested01:30
TIger_ITehird: In both I can see CPU, devices and other kind of information01:30
zorglu_ok got it! kpowersave provides an applet with the possibility to use the cpufreq policy01:30
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ehirdwhere would the linux source be in my filesystem? :001:31
ArafangionNice, Mono's working on a compacting GC.01:31
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JakubSand still simple rss reader written in mono uses as much memory as whole kontact :-)01:31
Arafangionehird: Traditionally /usr/local/src/linux01:32
Arafangionehird: But you usually have to download or install it.01:32
JakubSnot /usr/src/linux ?01:32
zorglu_personnaly i want to be able to control my memoryusage01:32
sudharshi have no swap in /proc/filesystems and it fails when the system is activating swap..is that ok?01:32
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ArafangionJakubS: Depends ;)01:32
JakubSswapon -s lists active swaps01:32
ArafangionJakubS: Either one or the other, anyway.01:32
ehirdArafangion: doesn't that violate the GPL? :001:32
Arafangionehird: Nope.01:33
ehirdbut01:33
ehirdwhat if someone without a net connection got ubuntu01:33
ehirdthey wouldn't be able to modify the source for themselves01:33
sudharshJakubS: doesnt return anything01:33
ehirdsurely that violates the gpl?01:33
ehirdor at least the spirit?01:33
zorglu_sudharsh: i dont have swap in it either, but swap are init without issue01:33
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zorglu_sudharsh: both are likely unrelated01:33
Arafangionehird: They would be able to get the source via either the same method, or downloading it using /any/ internet connection.01:33
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JakubSswapon /dev/some_device or swapon -a (for all devices)01:34
ehirdArafangion: to quote debian freesoftware policy, "castaway on a desert island"?01:34
sudharshzorglu_: well I have only little memory of 256 megs..so swaps disappearing is a tad weird :)01:34
ehirdwhat package would contian the source?01:34
sudharshJakubS: ok...01:34
JakubSlinux-source or something like that, apt-cache search is your friend01:35
ArafangionJakubS: I dislike the latest craze about the big VM's and their pathetic claim for "platform and language independence", but I'm also crazy about GC's ;)01:35
sudharshJakubS: anyway i could revert to normal...this problem arised today morning01:35
ehirdJakubS: apt-cache source gives me load of crap01:35
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ehirdlinux-source exists01:35
zorglu_sudharsh: 'man mkswap' contains instruction on how to get swap enable01:35
sudharshzorglu_: okie dokie01:36
zorglu_ahhh thanks guys for the cpu freq stuff, suddently my compile is twice faster :)01:36
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JakubSArafangion: well, using VM is like putting a tent in your room and sleeping there :-) but GC (like shared_ptr) can be really useful01:36
TIger_ITCan anybody say me what files are supousted to be in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu  ?01:36
TIger_ITI need somone do  ls - A /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu   :)01:37
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sudharshis there any reason why ubuntu is changing /dev/<hd> to UUID=xxxxx...01:37
TIger_ITsudharsh: good question!!!!01:37
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TIger_ITsudharsh: fucking UUID!01:38
zorglu_another thing i have to get, all the pmount stuff01:38
zorglu_!language01:38
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.01:38
JakubSso if you change disk configuration (master/slave, cables) it will still work01:38
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arriesphi people01:38
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sudharshJakubS: oh..could have been more readable though...my friended landed in trouble because of this01:38
TIger_ITarriesp: hi01:38
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ehirdif the kernel source isn't family friendly how come this channel has to be :)01:39
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zorglu_because :)01:39
hollywoodbis it just me or does opera not work with mplayerplugin and/or java plugin ?  flash works OK01:39
snikkeri'm unable to set the resolution 96x96 dpi for normal user, for root work fine... why?01:39
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dude_is it possible to install antiu virus in kubuntu?01:40
JakubSfirst you would have to write it :-)01:40
sudharshdude_: there is one by avast! but isnt necessary01:40
snikkerdude_:  or use clam01:40
JakubSah, i misread, you want antivirus not virus :-)01:41
hollywoodbactually antivirus isn't a bad idea, and some distros are starting to install clamav by default01:41
sudharshreminds me off a quote...Users can mess their system without a stinking virus01:41
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ehirdoh i have written a linux virus01:42
erandaKDE Games don't save high scores? How can I fix this?01:42
dude_sudharsh: i already installed clamav but01:42
ehirdit deletes your home directory without warning and doesn't even require root privs! scary eh? here's the contents: rm -rf ~/01:42
JakubSeranda: get higher score :-)01:42
sudharshehird: o.O me gota better one sudo rm /* =rf01:43
erandaMay be I have to change some permissions. But I don't know the what is the file. :(01:43
sudharsh*-rf01:43
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ehirdsudharsh: that requires root priveleges01:43
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ehirdwhich no linux user would do on suspicious progs01:43
erandaJakubS: Hey I've got the higher score.01:43
ehirdbut this one, you just run it and boom!01:43
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sudharshehird: hehe...should try it on my dads laptop..01:44
ehirdheck you could even rm -rf ~/ > /dev/null 1&2 to make it silent01:45
ehirdand add an echo "Couldn't start download+compile process. Trying to fix..."01:45
sudharshhas the repos been updated lately..i didnt get any upgrades for a week even after an apt-get update01:45
ehirdand then use a bash script-->binary compiler to avoid being suspicious :D01:45
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ehirdhow would i decompress a .tar.bz2 file with tar? command line options for tar confuse me ;/01:47
ArafangionJakubS: imho, RAII by itself is heaps better than GC, except for one single situation: Some objects just don't have a clear ownership.01:47
ArafangionJakubS: shared_ptr's are great, except they have two problems: cycles, (which can usually be avoided, anyway), and threading.01:48
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JakubSyeah, bit finding a cycle can be a pain01:48
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ArafangionJakubS: My interest is to make a GC that can be used for this small situation: Where you don't really want shared_ptr's and/or want to support good threading.01:48
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ehirdis this a good way to install a source package? `auto-apt run ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall`01:49
fdovingehird: don't use auto-apt, it's awfull.01:50
Arafangionehird: And checkinstall is also problematic.01:50
ehirdfdoving: was reccomended on help.ubuntu.com01:50
sudharsheho01:50
Arafangionehird: Use buildroot and it's really, really not hard to make packages properly.01:50
ehirdArafangion: never had trouble with checkinstall, it installs source packages as apt-get packages. what's the problem?01:50
Arafangionehird: Trust me :)01:50
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Arafangionehird: http://www.quietearth.us/articles/2006/08/16/Building-deb-package-from-source01:51
sudharshehird: try upgrading to feisty when it comes out :D01:51
snikkeri've got a problem with small font for the current user01:52
fdovingehird: it installs loads of useless packages. Just warning you. I would never consider using it again, tested it once, that was enought for me.01:52
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ehirdehird@ehird-desktop:/usr/src$ tar -xj linux-source-2.6.17.tar.bz2 = blank output, ideas?01:53
Arafangionehird: xvjf01:53
Tm_T-xvvjf to get a lot output. ;)01:53
Hobbsee!pbuilder01:53
ubotupbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto01:53
ehirdv was a bad idea01:54
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ehirdbut boy it sure takes a while to extract01:54
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ehirdnow i shall find out how to count the occurences of words in the code :D01:57
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hollywoodbehird: grep can count lines that have an expressions, not sure about actual expressions01:57
killermach__I need to clone a laptop hard drive.. I have it in a USB2.0 enclosure, does anyone have recommendations? I have been using partimage, but this time it is complaining about CRC errors, and if I choose to quit, it displays 2 identical CRC numbers, something like current CRC and expected CRC01:58
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hollywoodbkillermach__: dd01:58
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nerinddrescue01:58
ehirdehird@ehird-desktop:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.17$ grep -HRi "WORD" * works :)01:59
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ehirdand is there a tool to count the amount of lines outputted by a program? *g*01:59
killermach__hollywoodb:  you know.. that is what I have used for years.. thought I would learn something new :) ergo partimage01:59
nerinwc01:59
hollywoodbkillermach__: sometimes its best to stick with what works ;)02:00
killermach__ehird: "wc -l " counts lines output02:00
ehirdgrepping linux source code BEGIN! :D02:00
killermach__$ grep -HRi "WORD" * | wc -l02:00
BluesKajHowdy all !02:00
ehirdkillermach__: exactly what i'm doing :)02:00
ehirdsearching for the f word is taking a while :P02:01
BluesKaj!Flashplayer 902:01
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about Flashplayer 9 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:01
ehirdimmature linux humour, begin!02:01
BluesKaj!Flash02:01
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats02:01
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killermach__ehird: good.. apologies for me not keeping up with the conversation.. I get a lot of good help. so I seize the opportunity to recipricate :)02:01
ehirdresult: 5502:01
killermach__ehird:  the f word is in the kernel ?02:02
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ehirdkillermach__: 55 times.02:02
ehirdi can post the log :D02:02
arriespwhat's the repository of this page http://seerofsouls.com?02:03
killermach__ehird: in the comments for descriptions or actually somewhere that outputs kernel logging??02:03
ehirdkillermach__: just in the source code02:03
ehird`grep -HRi "<f word goes here>" * > ~/linux<f word>` now in progress02:03
arriesphelp please02:03
ehirdsoftware should use $CURSE to output the user's preferred obsceinity :D02:04
arriespwhat's the repository of this page http://seerofsouls.com?02:04
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ehird!pastebin02:05
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)02:05
ehirdhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30162/ log from grep. WARNING: 55 instances of profanity :D02:05
ArafangionSmall texts too.02:05
killermach__ehird: well.. software is digital.. on/off... it should have no relative statements, good software is found in its exactness02:05
killermach__:)02:05
ehirdI like line 22 the most.02:06
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killermach__ehird: you may want to use awk and sed, so when your search is done, all the words are replaced.. and you are finished02:07
ehirdkillermach__: heh02:07
ehirdbut the quality of code is dierctly proportionate to its swear words! :(02:07
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_Shade_anyone here using beryl?02:08
killermach__why is my ubuntu clock repeatedly incorrect??? this is very annoying02:09
zorglu_define how incorrect it is02:09
killermach__I use multi-boot computer.. I HAVE TO HAVE BIOS CLOCK in LOCALTIME02:09
zorglu_caps are uselessly annoying02:09
killermach__does anyone know how to fix this so that it will stay??02:10
_Shade_i can't get it run properly. Windecorations are blinking or there are not displaying at all02:10
JakubS_Shade_: i'm using beryl02:10
zorglu_killermach__: put your timezone to UTC02:10
_Shade_JakubS: any idea how to cope with the problem then?02:10
ehirdis cat-ing the whole linux source code to a file a good idea? :D02:10
JakubSJakubS: killall emerald ; emerald from konsole fixed problem with blinking windecos02:11
JakubSeh, _Shade_ rather02:11
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ehirdand how do i make cat go recursively in dirs?02:11
JakubStalking to myself on irc must be really bad sign :-)02:11
killermach__zorglu_:  hmm.. I prefer the timezone to be correct, and not UTC and have SYSTEM clock (BIOS) not UTC either, every time I reboot, my logs are repeatedly messed up in several OS's02:11
zorglu_find /usr/src/linux -name "*.[chs" | xargs cat | grep thewordyouarelookingfor < ehird02:12
killermach__all the other OS's behave.. only when I boot ubuntu it changes the BIOS clock time02:12
_Shade_JakubS: yep that works for me, thanks02:12
ehirdcat * */*  seems to work02:12
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JakubSfor one level...02:12
ehirdzorglu_: not trying to find anything, i want to merge all the source code into a huge ifle :D02:12
zorglu_ehird: but doesnt :) you miss from subdir02:13
zorglu_find /usr/src/linux -name "*.[chs" | xargs cat >thebigfile02:13
zorglu_i missed a ] , it is "*.[chsS] "02:13
_Shade_JakubS: oops... it works only for all newly opened windows it seems :/02:13
_Shade_JakubS: heh... it works for none now02:14
ehirdcould ls -AR work?02:14
zorglu_ehird: hehe you dont like my find :)02:14
JakubS_Shade_: do you have that 'beryl manager' tray icon thingy?02:14
_Shade_no i dont02:15
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_Shade_i had but i do not now02:15
azzgorhey02:15
azzgoris there any way to rollback a update?02:15
_Shade_i have no idea where is it :)02:15
JakubSsometimes it is useful - have things like change window manager, restart window manager etc.02:15
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zorglu_azzgor: not that i know of, but i definitly agree it would be a good feature02:15
MidMarkhi guys02:16
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azzgorwell, i know i did it once02:16
azzgorthen zserver was broken02:16
ehirdif i do the grub hiddenmenu does it still wait 10 secs before booting?02:16
azzgorand i realy realy need it again02:16
arriespwhat's the repository of this page http://seerofsouls.com?02:16
zorglu_ehird: likely, there is a 'timeout' option to tune this delay02:17
ehirdzorglu_: so if i set it to 0 and hit esc it'll give me a menu fine but just leaving it will give no delay?02:17
zorglu_arriesp: those are the repositories of this page, you asked that at least3time, what kind of answer do you expect ?02:17
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_Shade_JakubS: yes it works now... i hope it would work for more than 5 mins of time :)02:18
zorglu_ehird: i think so02:18
zorglu_ehird: note that 0 will not give you much time to hit the key02:18
arriespi want to download from this page, but it no work02:18
zorglu_ehird: another possibility would be that 0 has a special meaning for infinite (quite typical)02:18
arriespi put it (that page) at the repos but it not work02:18
MidMarkI've simple question: there is a program that generates a text file with a list of urls that corresponds to all updates for example for ubuntu dapper?02:19
_Shade_JakubS: have you have the same problem with the adept-updater trayicon?02:19
ehirdso editing the grub options direct is a bad idea but i can edit the options to tweak it? Because i'd like 4 entries, "Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft", "Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft (recovery)", "" (blank spacer), and "Windows XP Home Edition"02:19
arriespwhat i must put in the source.list?02:19
zorglu_!repos02:19
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu02:19
JakubS_Shade_: i removed whole adept-updater thingy - it was eating lots of cpu without reason02:19
zorglu_arriesp: this page explains how to modify your sources.list02:19
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BluesKaj!Adobe Flash Player 902:19
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about Adobe Flash Player 9 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:19
zorglu_!flash902:19
ubotuFlash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html02:19
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_Shade_JakubS: yeah i find adept is a piece of... err... anyways what do you use for update notifications?02:20
ehird=/02:20
JakubSapt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade every now and then :-)02:21
Deadudehi i just got kubuntu and when i go to install it loads lots of things then the screen goes all funny colours02:21
zorglu_JakubS: what is the -u ?02:21
JakubSshows list of packets to upgrade02:21
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zorglu_ok thansk02:21
zorglu_Deadude: to be more precise would increase your chance to get helped02:22
Deadudewell02:22
Deadudei click install02:22
Deadudeit loads a list of things at bottom of screen02:22
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zorglu_hehe is there a page on how to get good help ?02:22
Deadudethen when the screen goes to change (to the install screen i guess) it goes lots of random colours and i cant see anything02:22
zorglu_believe it or not, this is a skill :)02:22
_Shade_JakubS: talking about beryl again... can you show me your init file for beryl? mine doesn't work02:22
zorglu_Deadude: sorry i dont see what is the problem so i have no idea about a possible fix02:23
zorglu_Deadude: ultra wide guessing, i would say this is a video driver issue02:23
ehirdno ideas?02:24
Deadudethats what i thought02:24
ehirdon a similar note my TFT chops of text to the left on command lines on bootup, quite  a lot of it. any idea on that?02:24
zorglu_ehird: some issue somewhere between the bios and/or the video driver02:25
zorglu_ehird: from the 'only on boot' i would say this is a the bios02:25
azzgorhow can i rollback the nvidia drivers? it just updated02:26
azzgorand i cant run wow atm02:26
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Deadudeuninstall them then install some new ones :)02:26
ehirdzorglu_: nonononononono any text mode does it02:26
guptahow to 'logout from session' from konsole?02:26
ehirdzorglu_: worked fine on my crt02:26
azzgorwell, those are the newest drivers02:26
JakubS_Shade_: http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=2945102:26
_Shade_JakubS: still there ?02:26
azzgorand i need to downgrade02:26
Deadudeanyone have any ideas for my problem02:26
_Shade_ah thanks02:26
ehirdany idea how i can customize the grub menu like i asked?02:27
zorglu_ehird: well i had similar issue once with a laptop, and some option in the bios did it02:27
gupta!grub02:27
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto02:27
azzgor1nvidia02:27
azzgor!nvidia02:27
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto02:27
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_Shade_JakubS: is it for nvidia users or the ati ones?02:29
ehirdhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto didn't help02:29
Deadudehttp://ccsd.msoe.edu/filez/faq/411/installkubuntu.jpg << once that screen goes the screen goes pink for a second then turn to ltos fo random colours (im not using it on virtual machine btw)02:29
ehirdI want to customize the text and options displayed for it to make it look nicer02:29
JakubS_Shade_: i91502:29
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_Shade_JakubS: oh man :( i'm using ati... do you know how can i edit the file to suit it?02:30
JakubSno idea, i don't even know how it was generated02:31
JakubSi use aiglx btw02:31
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JakubSnever got xgl to work02:31
azzgoris there any way of downgrading nvidia-glx?02:31
_Shade_ah... i'm out of luck it seems :)02:32
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guptaAnybody? >> how to 'logout from session' from konsole? kicker equivalent being alt+f1 => 'logout' => 'end current session'02:32
_Shade_JakubS: you said that emerald runs well when entered from console. Can i just create a bash script and put it to /.kde/autostart ?02:33
JakubSwell, it is not that it didn't work when just started with session02:34
JakubSbut when it misbehaved (once or twice) then killing it and starting again from konsole fixed it02:34
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_Shade_JakubS: ah so it won't actually solve the problem ?02:36
ehirdgupta: `logout`02:36
JakubSprobably not02:36
guptaehird: logout gives : logout: not login shell02:37
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ehirdgupta try login, then logout02:38
thomas__Kopete 0.12.3 is out with the bug 136566, along with KDE 3.5.502:38
guptaehird: login gives > "No utmp entry.  You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh""02:39
ehirdgupta: sh, login, logout02:39
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ehirdin one line: just type `sh && login && logout`02:39
ehirdhmm no02:39
ehird`echo login && echo logout | sh`02:40
BluesKajtrying to copy extracted flash.so file to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ as suggested but "no permissions " disallows it02:40
ehirdBluesKaj: sudo cp02:40
guptaehird: still nope02:41
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BluesKajnot using the konsole ehird. I'm trying to copy i from the home file02:41
ehirdBluesKaj: then use the konsole02:42
ehirdgupta: what happens02:42
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beowulf-afkhola02:43
BluesKajwhats the complete command for copying a file to another in the konsole ?02:44
BluesKajor using the konsole rather02:45
guptaehird: No utmp entry.  You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh"02:45
thomas__BluesKaj: cp /path/to/the.file /path/to/new.file02:46
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thomas__i m missing the fix for Kopete in edgy! ICQ is broken @ Kopete02:48
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ehird"Real Life is overrated. It doesn't have any respawn points." "How do you know? Ever played the BuddhaMod 1.02?"02:50
beowulf-afkjust ran the live cd and it looks really nice, but a question I have is ... does ubuntu run better in gnome or kde?02:50
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ehirdbeowulf-afk: matter of taste, i prefer kde02:50
beowulf-afkIve been using kde on my suse for a couple of years now02:51
BluesKajnope, the konsole says the target file is not a directory so it won't copy , thomas__02:51
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hollywoodbanyone familiar with beryl know what the 'wiggle menus into view' thing is called so I can disable it ?02:51
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BluesKajtrying to copy the the flash.so file to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/02:52
beowulf-afkI heard that there are some issues with the 64bit version? I se the AMD64(X2)02:52
mathildeje comprend rien c'est koa sa?02:52
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BluesKaj!fr02:53
ubotuAllez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.02:53
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korlyhi02:56
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emi#xmen02:56
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ehird!xmen02:58
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xmen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:58
ehirdxmen use ubuntu!02:58
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emiok,ubotu...tanks!03:03
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enoteethere are 2 wiresless networks near how can i tell wich one i'm connected two03:06
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ehirdwhat are silly things i can do with ubuntu to pass the time? :D03:07
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larson9999ehird: watch youtube03:08
hollywoodbenotee: iwconfig03:08
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BluesKajanyone using mythtv in edgy ?03:09
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ehirdlarson9999: I can do that with windoze.03:09
yamalehird: portscan all of 127.0.0.0/803:09
ehirdyamal: i said, fun :p03:10
BluesKajlarson i wish I could watch youtube but flash won't play so i'm outta luck03:10
larson9999BluesKaj: your flash is broken?  too bad03:10
zoduxRequesting help to "swap" soundcard. (Problem: I have two soundcard connected in my computer, 1x Motherboardintergrated AC'97 and 1x Creative Audigy SE, which is the one I want to use.)03:10
BluesKajit's not flash that's broken it's the FF2 plugin setup03:11
yamalBluesKaj: just install flash package from the seveas repository, works fine03:11
Pensacolawhy is korganizer broken with edgy?03:11
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larson9999BluesKaj: doesn't flash mean ff plugin to most folks?03:11
larson9999BluesKaj: works fine here.  you got some kinda goofy setup?03:12
BluesKajit won't install properly .I've tried several times using adept \03:12
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BluesKajit looks like it's installed but it won't play03:12
BluesKajnothing out of the ordinary03:13
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yamalBluesKaj: it needs some license to be approved, try synaptic or from console03:13
micheleciao03:13
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micheleis there anybody ?03:13
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Ash-Fox!flash03:14
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats03:14
ehirdmichele: no we're alllll dead03:14
micheleah ah ah03:14
Ash-FoxI'm a bot, ignore me03:14
ehirdI'm just an AI script written in cobol03:14
ehird;003:14
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Ash-Foxehird, I have a big problem :(03:15
epHow do I do a trace route on the command line, isn't traceroute a linux (bash) command?  traceroute: command not found03:15
ehirdyou can make me say stuff using @say stuff03:15
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MetaMorfoziSif i install  a 32bit kubuntu to a 64bit processor, what goes worse than if i install 64bit kubuntu?03:16
ehirdexample: (gathering random @say used from database...)03:16
ehird@say /part03:16
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Ash-Foxehird, I devided by zero :( http://ash-fox.theden.ws/temp/dev-by-zero03:16
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hollywoodbMetaMorfoziS: worse?03:17
epah, guess I need to install it eh?03:18
MetaMorfoziSsorry  my english is bad...03:18
MetaMorfoziSso is there any performance difference between 63bit/32bit os03:18
MetaMorfoziSon a 64bit processor?03:18
ehird63bit, heh03:18
MetaMorfoziS5403:18
MetaMorfoziS6403:18
MetaMorfoziSsry...:D03:18
MetaMorfoziShm?03:19
hollywoodbMetaMorfoziS: no big performance difference, 32bit will save you some headaches though03:19
MetaMorfoziSyes, thats why i want to isntall that but the 32bit isn'T uses all of my cpu or anything?03:20
MetaMorfoziSumph..03:20
ehird64bit is esentially useless03:20
MetaMorfoziSyes.03:20
hollywoodbMetaMorfoziS: modern 64-bit processors are designed to run 32-bit just as well03:21
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MetaMorfoziShm. okay...03:21
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larson9999BluesKaj: you're not using noscript are you?03:21
BluesKajok ehird, installed flashplayer using synaptic ..tried it on youtube...still won't play ...what now ?03:21
MetaMorfoziSi'M backing up... i'm annoyed about nothing for 64bit... no mplayer binary, no flash9, no googleearth, no some codecs...03:21
BluesKajwhat is noscript?03:22
MetaMorfoziSyou said aobut a firefox extension?03:22
MetaMorfoziSor a html tag?03:22
larson9999BluesKaj: it's a ff add on03:22
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ehirdwhere should i put konqueror plugins03:22
BluesKajlarson9999, nope , only addon i'm using atm is the torrents toolbar03:23
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bobesponjamy kde panel is frozen, I can't click on anything, nothing happens, is there a wy to fix this without restarting a session?03:24
abattoirbobesponja: there is, but you might lose your panel settings... ok?03:24
larson9999BluesKaj: which repository did you get flash from?03:24
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bobesponjaabattoir: tell me about it03:25
MetaMorfoziSbobesponja: have you enough free space on your root partition?03:25
BluesKajimbrandon seveas i beleive , larson999903:25
abattoirbobesponja: oh, wait, try 'dcop kicker kicker restart' first in a terminal03:25
MetaMorfoziSfire up konsole: altf2 -> df -h03:25
abattoirbobesponja: if that doesn't work, 'killall kicker && kicker'03:25
abattoirbobesponja: (you won't lose settings, btw)03:25
MetaMorfoziSabattoir: i think he out fo free space03:25
bobesponjaabattoir: thanx03:26
MetaMorfoziSnot?03:26
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MetaMorfoziSbobesponja:check how many free disk space have03:26
abattoirbobesponja: ^^^ if what MetaMorfoziS says is true, then try creating some free space before you log off, it might be difficult to log into KDE again w/ little space03:26
MetaMorfoziSyou03:26
larson9999BluesKaj: hmmm, i've installed it on *ubuntu from there on 5 computers now and they all work fine03:26
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BluesKajhave you tried the youtube site today ?03:27
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bobesponjaabattoir: it's ok now thanx03:27
abattoirbobesponja: ok, good03:27
MetaMorfoziSkood ;)03:27
larson9999BluesKaj: just did.  it wasn't working at first on this pc but i turned off noscript and they vids played fine.03:27
bobesponjaactually what happened was that my kicker crashed and while restarting I tried to restart the kde session and when I saw that kicker was restarting automatically I canceld the session closing and then kicker froze03:28
BluesKajis noscript listed in the addons ?03:28
larson9999BluesKaj: the baby laughing game me a good chuckle03:28
MetaMorfoziS bobesponja as we said, check how many free space you have!03:28
yangohey, I'm having memory issues... where can I get a good report about actual memory consumed by programs? is top the best I can do?03:28
larson9999BluesKaj: yes03:28
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BluesKajyeah larson9999 =... rub it in ...I've been trying for 2 mornings to get flash to work :(03:29
larson9999BluesKaj: ff 2.0, right?03:29
ehirdwhat's a good packet sniffer?03:29
BluesKajyup03:29
JakubStcpdump03:29
MetaMorfoziSethereal03:29
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yangolibpcap mainly :)03:29
MetaMorfoziS;)03:29
larson9999BluesKaj: i suppose you've already done things like backup and clear out your plugins dir and start from scratch?03:30
BluesKajjust when I was gonna switch to kubuntu exclusively this happens03:30
yangowell, has anyone an idea to get (f)actual memory consumption reports?03:30
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BluesKajlarson9999, that's another thing ..permission denied , can't clean out any files at all03:31
larson9999BluesKaj: on one computer i had a local plugins dir that was being used that had flash 7.  that had me going for a few minutes.03:31
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bobesponjaMetaMorfoziS: /dev/sda2             353G  6.0G  329G   2% /home, I think that should be enough :)03:31
cpk1BluesKaj: is this with ff2?03:31
larson9999BluesKaj: what dir are you trying to clear our?03:31
larson9999out03:31
MetaMorfoziSheheh03:31
BluesKajyeah i dumped flash 7 yesterday03:31
ehirdaptget ethereal installs "whitshark"03:31
MetaMorfoziS^^ detto for me, but dunnowhy03:32
MetaMorfoziSon dapper worked fine03:32
BluesKajwas rying to clean out my home folder of the flash files03:32
MetaMorfoziSi think the ethereal project renamed...03:32
MetaMorfoziSor i dunno03:32
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BluesKajsuddenly  , permission denied03:32
larson9999BluesKaj: and you don't have permissions to your home area?03:32
BluesKaji did an hr ago03:33
larson9999BluesKaj: sounds like the ownership of your home dir got changed.03:33
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BluesKajshit!03:33
BluesKajhow doi i correct that ?03:33
MetaMorfoziSyes ehird the ethereal project renamed to whitshar03:33
MetaMorfoziSwireshark03:33
cpk1chown?03:33
larson9999BluesKaj: i got to eat. chown should do it.03:34
cpk1BluesKaj: you almost might want to look into what caused the change into ownership...03:34
cpk1also* not change...03:34
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arriespola03:35
MetaMorfoziSehird: http://www.wireshark.org/03:35
ehirdwireshark didn't work03:37
MetaMorfoziSwhy?03:37
ehirdit captured plenty of MSN and IRC transitions but none on my jabber account... using kopete03:37
ehirdo.O03:37
MetaMorfoziSyou eenabled some filters03:38
MetaMorfoziSbut if you checked the ssl using in kopete for jabber03:38
ehirdnope, i didn't03:38
ehirdand i am using ssl yeah03:38
MetaMorfoziSokay, so if you found the stream you only see some encrypted strings...:D03:38
arriespHawkwind:  how i must add the repos of your page for download and install enlightenment?03:38
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ehirdright but google talk requires ssl03:39
MetaMorfoziSehird i try03:39
ehirdso how could i use the transmission to decrypt it03:39
MetaMorfoziSbut about a motnh ago i found my jabber on ethereal03:39
MetaMorfoziSthe main goal ssl is that you can'T decrypt it... in a good situation03:40
MetaMorfoziSonly the two partner can encrypt and decrypt that03:40
MetaMorfoziSimo03:40
ehirdbut i need to get an ip for debug purposes..03:40
stamenhi03:40
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stamenwho can tell me a good NVIDIA TVout tool03:40
MetaMorfoziSdid you started wireshark as root?03:41
stamenwhich can work with NVIDIA 660003:41
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ehirdMetaMorfoziS: yep03:41
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MetaMorfoziSehird try close anything that communicates on the network03:43
MetaMorfoziSforexample irc and other03:43
MetaMorfoziSand do again the sniff03:43
ehirdcan't, guy is offline now03:43
MetaMorfoziSand next you need to find  some tcp protocol03:43
MetaMorfoziSi think you disappeared the tcp in the first try03:44
MetaMorfoziSbecause you found MSNMS adn others03:44
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MetaMorfoziSbut that is not jabber, it's tcp iirc03:44
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jkelly2005hello everyone. im having trouble installing the nvidia drivers in kubuntu. ive installed nvidia-glx and tried to do sudo nvidia-glx enable but i get an error saying that its unable to load the nvidia driver.03:44
MetaMorfoziSjkelly2005: install all linux-restriced-modules03:45
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MetaMorfoziSnot all, that that is for you03:45
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Hawkwindarriesp: http://SeerOfSouls.com/ubuntu.html  tells you that information03:47
jkelly2005MetaMorfoziS: well, i have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-386 installed. uname -r tells me i have 2.6.17-10-386.03:47
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MetaMorfoziSthen reboot03:49
jkelly2005MetaMorfoziS: i did03:49
ehirdis perl a good thing to learn or is it a Bad Thing(tm)? :p03:49
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MetaMorfoziSokay, then i dunno, try find your problem on http://ubuntuforums.org03:49
MetaMorfoziSyou not alone with nvidia card, it is impossible to only you have this problem...:D03:50
ehirdand wget should SO support bittorren03:50
ehirdt03:50
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hollywoodbehird: the point of bittorrent is to share the bits of the file you have downloaded.  Since wget is simply a 'fetch' and not 'provide' tool, it would defeat the entire purpose03:52
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larson9999ehird: perl is a good thing.  i'm thinking that with perl 6.0 it will be an even better thing to learn.03:52
ehirdlarson9999: meh, i don't really like cstyle languages tho03:52
h3sp4wnehird: perl is great03:53
larson9999ehird: if you don't like it don't learn it.03:53
larson9999i think programmers should take the basic course(either formal or teach yourself) for a good 20 or so languages.  just my opinion03:54
ehird20? :o03:54
hollywoodbI just started learning java 5 this semester, I kind of like it.  All I've done previously is bash scripting (extensively)03:55
larson9999ehird: yeah. gives a good base for general knowledge and also a good base to judge what you want to specialize in. again: just my opinion03:55
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h3sp4wnIf you learn C properly you can write in anything else without much hassle (so I believe) - I can write most things in perl or shell - but interpretted languages suck03:56
ehirdlarson9999: personally i prefer python-like languages, e.g. python (of course), ruby, ...03:56
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h3sp4wnehird: learn a language that is compiled instead of interpretted (lisp can be compiled but it is a higher level language) - interpretted is slow03:58
ehirdh3sp4wn: I <3 Untrue Programming Myths03:59
ehird<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <303:59
Pensacolawhy is korganizer broken with edgy?04:00
bombera few times now  when i start up the computer my network isnt working.... I tried running dhcpclient and dhcpclient2 and didnt have any luck either... i ended up rebootin both times...04:00
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h3sp4wnehird: So why is kde written in C++ not python then because if it was written in python it would be dog slow04:00
bomberany other ideas i can try the next time it happens to save me from rebboting a 2nd time04:00
ehirdh3sp4wn: it could be made pretty fast.04:01
archangel_I just installed edgy on my parents pc and for the first time the internet is not automaticly configures, what do I do?04:01
ehirdthe difference just isn't that significant.04:01
ehirdarchangel_: lemme guess, tiscali modem?04:01
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archangel_ethernet ehird04:01
archangel_ehird: cable modem04:02
larson9999ehird: if you already have a preference and and aversion to C, why ask if you should spend time learning a c like language?  sounds like you already made up your mind.04:02
h3sp4wnehird: http://tenser.typepad.com/tenser_said_the_tensor/2006/08/python_vs_perl_.html04:02
Pensacolawhen I try to start korganizer I get the error 'KDEinit couldn't start korganizer'04:02
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larson9999it's like everything else, the best is to know when an interpreted language is better to use and vice versa.  also, lots of interpreted languages can be compiled04:03
ehirdh3sp4wn: just wrong.04:03
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h3sp4wnehird: That is just the performance of a few loops04:03
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hollywoodbPensacola: worksforme04:04
Pensacolahmh04:04
PensacolaI can open it if I open a calender file, but klicking on the tray icon doesn't do anything04:04
h3sp4wnehird: He even provides the code - the perl / python part is irrelevant but the fact is the C++ version is orders of magnitude faster than either04:05
archangel_help04:05
ehirdh3sp4wn: i've saved them to a file, gonna do his test now04:05
hollywoodbarchangel_: use lspci to figure out what chip the network card is and search the forums for that04:05
archangel_ok04:06
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ehirddone. the difference was much less than he reported.04:07
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ehirdSo.04:07
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archangel_nvidia ck84 ethernet  hollywoodb04:08
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archangel_hollywoodb: do I look for drivers even though I have a green check mark beside it in the network screen?04:09
juan2342will freenode allow me to connect on 8001 without any problems?04:09
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charly_#ubuntu.es04:10
charly_cual es el canal de ubuntu en espaol?04:10
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abattoir#ubuntu-es04:10
archangel_oops ck80404:10
charly_asias04:10
hollywoodbarchangel_: I don't believe you need drivers for that card, but I could be wrong. check the forums. it may just be a network configuration issue04:11
juan2342whats the command or best way to run multiple instances of firefox (2.0) in kubuntu?04:11
abattoirjuan2342: File->New Window ?04:11
h3sp4wnehird: Whatever - I haven't seen a single place where python even works faster than perl - never mind C or C++04:11
archangel_hollywoodb: ahh ok, great thank you04:12
hollywoodbh3sp4wn: some nice stuff is done in python, like exaile and a lot of other gnome/gtk apps04:13
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juan2342no i mean a completly new instance, the equivelent of moz_noremote=1 (or something like that) in windows, it allows multiple profiles to run without checking if FF is running or if i have multiple sessions runing04:13
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ehirdh3sp4wn: fyi, c = 47msec, perl = 245, python = 41004:15
xsachaand asm?04:16
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ehirdxsacha: heh, give me the code and i'll test it :D04:16
xsachajust would be nice to test against04:16
xsachato see if there is any room beneath 4704:16
abattoirjuan2342: 'firefox -P <profile name>' ?04:16
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juan2342that doesnt work if im allready running an instance04:17
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h3sp4wnehird: And C with optimisation on the compiler ?04:18
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ehirdh3sp4wn: i it may hit 20ms. it's still irrelivent04:18
abattoirjuan2342: you can't launch the profile manager and choose your profile too?04:19
Hawkwindabattoir: Good morning04:20
abattoirHawkwind: hi, Hawkwind :), 'morning to you too04:21
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juan2342nope if im already running a firefox instance any firefox command will just open a new window04:21
h3sp4wnehird: Irrelivent to you - I like my system to have as fast interactive performance as possible and interpretted apps are noticably slower to me04:21
hollywoodbjuan2342: /usr/bin/firefox is a symlink that points to /usr/lib/firefox/firefox, which is a bash script... check out the bash script to find out what's going on04:22
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abattoirjuan2342: ok, try exporting MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 as an environment variable04:24
abattoirjuan2342: or 0, if that's what you want04:24
abattoirjuan2342: or launch firefox w/ -no-remote04:26
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juan2342thx04:26
abattoirjuan2342: works?04:26
juan2342yes04:27
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juan2342is there anyway to check if a process is running by using a script?04:28
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BluesKajhow does one "unshare" a file in order to delete it ?04:29
morphishjuan2342: thief off of eggdrop's botchk, which checks if eggdrop is running and if not starts it ?04:29
cntbanyone uses xen ?04:30
h3sp4wnjuan2342: What do you mean ? what process ?04:30
h3sp4wncntb: Yes04:30
h3sp4wncntb: (not to run windows though if that is the question)04:30
nickenyfikenhow do i know what version of Kubuntu i have installed? I thought i had 6.10 installed but the help about section says 6.06...04:30
cntbh3sp4wn: have it installed  and working now ?04:30
cntbrather run second linux?04:31
cntbh3sp4wn:  ?04:31
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abattoirnickenyfiken: 'lsb_release -a'04:31
abattoir(in a terminal, of course)04:31
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juan2342i mean if firefox is a running process04:32
nickenyfikenabattoir: thanks04:32
h3sp4wncntb: Yes - dom0 is running on debian etch04:32
cntbwhat ? what is dom004:33
h3sp4wncntb: Have edgy / fedora 6 (some test release) as domU04:33
csillsAnybody have an idea on how to install libss10.9.6 for yahoo messenger04:33
cntbwait a sec h3sp4wn04:33
h3sp4wncntb: Dom0 is the host system - domU is the guest's04:33
felixjetcan i make a paste of 4 lines?04:33
csillssure04:34
felixjetThis script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this04:34
felixjetnot correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following04:34
felixjetcommand:04:34
felixjetmd5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum04:34
felixjetotherwise edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section04:34
felixjetfrom nv to nvidia.04:34
felixjeti get this error when i did nvidia-glx-config enable04:34
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felixjetand i have "nvidia" instead of "nv" in the xorg.conf - driver section04:34
felixjetshould i ignore it?04:35
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grotheskHi there!04:35
cntbh3sp4wn:  http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/Xen-Download-2333.html took sources from there04:35
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cntbhow to install04:35
gnomefreakfelixjet: open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make sure driver is set to nvidia if not change it to nvidia04:35
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h3sp4wncntb: edgy already has it in04:35
cntbput all in /temp/install04:36
cntboh yeah04:36
cntbI am on edgy04:36
felixjetgnomefreak:  16:39]  <felixjet> and i have "nvidia" instead of "nv" in the xorg.conf - driver section04:36
h3sp4wncntb: You need to read the documentation or you won't be able to use it04:36
h3sp4wn!xen04:36
ubotuXEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy04:36
csillsHello  does anybody know how to install libss10.9.604:36
grotheskI do habe an issue with nvidia-glx on edgy. It will drag kernel-i386 onto my system and afterwards kernel-generic is not usabel with X.04:36
gnomefreakfelixjet: if already nvidia than ignore it. its just telling you it cant change it becasue its already changed04:36
h3sp4wnfelixjet: md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum (from sudo -i)04:36
felixjetoh, okey04:36
csillsI am tryin to setup yahoo messenger on ubuntu04:36
grotheskcsills: Take gaim.04:37
grotheskcsills: Or kopete04:37
csillsok04:37
felixjeth3sp4wn:  bash: /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum: Permiso denegado04:37
felixjet:S04:37
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felixjet(from sudo -i)04:37
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h3sp4wnfelixjet: so you ran sudo -i - and then that command04:37
XVampireXHey, anyone armed and ready to help me?04:37
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felixjetyes h3sp4wn04:38
BluesKajwell. I've done all i can to install Flash 9 to make it work with FF2 , but no luck so far... it won't install in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ like it's supposed to with the other media plugins.... so i'm at a loss as to what to do next . I've tried copying the file to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ , but it won't give me the option to "copy to"04:38
XVampireXhow do I open up a link in a new tab in konqueror?04:38
felixjetfelixjet@ubuntu:~/Desktop/Conquista$ sudo -i md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum04:38
felixjetbash: /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum: Permiso denegado04:38
h3sp4wnfelixjet: I find it hard to believe root cannot write to that file - but not impossible04:38
XVampireXI mean04:38
felixjetPermiso denegado = dennied04:38
XVampireXIf I click on a link it should open it up in a new tab04:38
XVampireXfrom external apps04:38
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h3sp4wnfelixjet: You didn't do what I said04:39
h3sp4wnfelixjet: sudo -i04:39
abattoirXVampireX: Settings->Configure Konqueror->Web Behaviour->Tabbed Browsing...04:39
h3sp4wnfelixjet: md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum04:39
h3sp4wnfelixjet: seperately04:40
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felixjetokey04:40
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felixjetdone, but no msg output04:40
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h3sp4wnfelixjet: Now the nvidia program should not complain04:40
felixjetroot@ubuntu:~# md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum04:40
felixjetroot@ubuntu:~# exit04:40
felixjetlogout04:40
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felixjetyep, right.04:41
felixjetWarning: your X configuration has been succesfully changed.04:41
felixjetIn order to take full advantage of the changes, X needs to04:41
felixjetbe restarted.04:41
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felixjetthanks :)04:41
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malhello04:43
ubuntu_how do I partition so when I install kubuntu i dont stuff up XP?04:43
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malfor partition easy turn ntfs into fat3204:43
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johan_hello :D04:44
XVampireXabattoir: It's says there to open it up in a new tab, but yet if I click on a link here it opens up in a new window04:44
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abattoirXVampireX: you might need to close all instances of konq. and restart for the settings to kick in04:45
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XVampireXabattoir: Might is not the best answer, it was already set there, I didn't change anything04:46
abattoirXVampireX: sorry, can't always provide the *best* answer, some people consider 'something better than nothing' when it comes to being helped04:46
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XVampireXabattoir: Alright, thanks anyways :)04:47
abattoir(it works here though)04:47
a_mule_Hello04:47
BluesKajwell. I've done all i can to install Flash 9 to make it work with FF2 , but no luck so far... it won't install in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ like it's supposed to with the other media plugins.... I'll ask again... i'm at a loss as to what to do next . I've tried copying the file to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ , but it won't give me the option to "copy to" ...any ideas ?04:47
a_mule_anyone an idea what i did wrong here ?04:48
a_mule_Failed to fetch http://nl.security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-security/Release.gpg  Could not resolve 'nl.security.ubuntu.com'04:48
a_mule_get this error for all of the mirrors in sources.list04:48
abattoira_mule_: afaik, security.ubuntu.com doesn't have regional mirrors04:48
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abattoira_mule_: did you add the nl yourself?04:48
a_mule_abattoir: yups.04:48
zorglu_a_mule_: you didnt made any mistake, it is a external error, the dns name cant be resovled04:48
abattoira_mule_: remove the nl, and you should be good to go04:49
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XVampireXabattoir: it seems that what I set in default applications settings is to open everything in konqueror, so instead of taking the settings from the apps themselves, it opened up in a new window, so I fixed it now, oh well04:49
abattoirXVampireX: oh, ok04:50
a_mule_abattoir: Voila, thanks. That whas the trick.04:50
juan2342is it possible to set an icon for a window for a link, e.g 1 of my FF links launches with 1 icon and another with a 2nd (both firefoxes have different processes) ?04:50
abattoira_mule_: good :)04:51
a_mule_what would be a smarter thing to do.... install j2re1.4 or just java5 ?04:52
zorglu_!java04:52
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository04:52
zorglu_juan2342: i dont understand what you mean, can you elaborate04:52
a_mule_ubotu: thanks.04:53
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about thanks. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:53
zorglu_a_mule_: ubotu is a bot. it has been trigger by the command i typed04:53
zorglu_triggered04:53
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juan2342all my windows have thier icons in the start menu/top left of the window (i cant rember which setting ive set to do this) i have 2 versions of FF that i launch of seperate links, and id quite like the 2 different profiles to keep different icons04:54
ehirdI've just realised that GNU/Linux is incorrect, Linux is the core of the system and GNU is optional to it so it should be Linux/GNU04:54
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larson9999years ago i realised that the name of linux should be left up to linus04:55
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BluesKajhow does one "unshare" a file ? some how a file i'd like to delete got "shared" and now i haven't permission to delete it .04:56
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zorglu_juan2342: hmm ok, i think you should do 2 profile with firefox, and then create 2 icons launching firefox with those profiles.04:57
zerakmay i bother with a question about sound problem, tried :  "$ /usr/bin/speaker-test"   -> ... "Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory"04:57
cpk1BluesKaj: huh? sharing it how?04:57
zorglu_firefox -P yourprofilename <- it will launch firefox on a given profile, juan234204:58
BluesKajcpk1, this the name of the file :  /home/kaj/.local/share/Trash/files/flash-player-plugin-9.0.21.5504:58
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cpk1and I take it you cant empty the recycle bin?04:58
juan2342ive got that, and ive also got -no-remote so they run as seperate processes, but i cant seem to find a setting to change the window icon04:58
zorglu_ehird: you forgot all the name of the stuff which are not from gnu fsf and from the kernel :)04:58
BluesKajwhen i want to trash it ...that's the message04:59
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cpk1you could just do sudo rm -rf  /home/kaj/.local/share/Trash/files/flash-player-plugin-9.0.21.55 and that will guarentee super nukage04:59
zerakmake sure you got the right and owner of the file before deleting04:59
a_mule_GStreamer, could be used in Kubuntu also ?.....04:59
ehirdzorglu_: that's included in "linux"04:59
abattoira_mule_: can, yes, why do you need it?04:59
ehirdhow do i install flash 9? there's many conflicting guides about it.04:59
zorglu_ehird: oh so linux is everything except the gnu fsf stuff ?04:59
BluesKajcpk1, no I'm trying to trash the flash-player-plugin-9.0.21.55 file04:59
ehirdzorglu_: 99% of software on your linux machine is gnu stuff05:00
zorglu_!flash905:00
ubotuFlash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html05:00
a_mule_abattoir: to play embedded media in firefox05:00
ehirdthe other 1% is part of the distro, not Linux05:00
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zorglu_ehird: hehe :)05:00
cpk1BluesKaj: care to explain the difference between removing and trashing?05:00
zorglu_ehird: well not even close05:00
BluesKajnone05:00
abattoira_mule_: oh, i'm not very sure about that then, but yes, you can use gstreamer05:00
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zorglu_cpk1: removing is deleting the file, trashing being to copy it in a special directory called trash05:00
cpk1BluesKaj: you do not want this file correct?05:01
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a_mule_abattoir: Ok, thanks. i will try it.05:01
BluesKajright , cpk1 ..nopoint in having a file if it won't install properly05:01
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arriesp_xao gente05:01
cpk1BluesKaj: so why dont you want to use rm on it?05:01
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zerakmay i bother with a question about sound problem, tried :  "$ /usr/bin/speaker-test"   -> ... "Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory"05:02
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BluesKajI've tried 'everything" i know to make Flash9 work but it refuses to so i might as well delete it05:02
ehirdzerak: type /dev/audio at the command prompt, what does it say05:03
cpk1BluesKaj: we are just talking about the tar or package or whatever you used to try to install it right?05:03
ehirdis there a way to fool nano into thinking /dev/audio is a normal file? *g*05:03
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BluesKajyeah it's the tar pkg that I dl'd yesterday05:04
BluesKajit won't install in the right directory05:04
cpk1BluesKaj: you just untar it into the directory you want it in?05:05
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magical_trevskyis it possible to get amarok 1.4.4 on dapper, or is it only for edgy?05:05
BluesKajI tried that , it won't go there !05:05
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: Can you not just copy the file to ~/.mozilla/plugins05:05
BluesKajthat's the wrong file05:06
cpk1BluesKaj: anyways if you want to rid yourself of the .tar just use sudo rm (or sudo rm -rf if it is really stubborn)05:06
a_mule_Another question,,, i added the commercial repositorie and dit apt-get update. still it tells me realplay / opera cannot be found...05:06
cpk1*nothing* survives sudo rm -rf05:06
BluesKajcpk1, it has to install into /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/05:07
grotheska_mule_: Edgy? Those apps are not yet in thist repo.05:07
cpk1BluesKaj: so why dont you untar it in there?05:07
a_mule_grothesk: yup edgy it is.05:07
BluesKajit doesn't untar to that file05:07
a_mule_grothesk: that means its impossible to get it installed under edgy ? how edgy is that .... :)05:07
BluesKajit fails05:07
cpk1saying?05:07
h3sp4wncpk1: if you use chattr +i (then you can make files immutable even to rm -rf)05:08
BluesKajno such file or directory05:08
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arunkalehey people05:08
cpk1BluesKaj: mkdir /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/05:08
arunkalecan anyone tell me again how to upgrade safely from dapper to edgy?05:08
a_mule_arunkale: yesterday that is what i try'd following the official instructions. but it messed up my dapper. i had to reinstall05:09
BluesKaj cannot create directory `/usr/lib/firefox/plugins/': File exists05:09
abattoirarunkale: it's a painful process... are you up for it? ;)05:09
cpk1haha05:09
BluesKajweird eh /05:09
cpk1whats the permissions of /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/05:09
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: just put it into ~/.firefox/plugins )you don't want to install into /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ as the package manager uses that05:09
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ironfroggyI just upgraded to edgy and when i restarted, X would not come up because it could not find the "fixed" font.05:10
ironfroggyI don't even know where to look for this05:10
arunkaleok?05:10
abattoirironfroggy: try reinstall xfonts-base, install xfs and reconfigure xserver-xorg05:11
abattoir*reinstalling05:11
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zerakehird: permission denied05:12
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zerakehird: crw-rw---- 1 root crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 4 2006-11-04 12:08 audioaudio 14, 4 2006-11-04 12:08 audio05:13
zerakcrw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 4 2006-11-04 12:08 audio05:13
grotheskNoone here having issues with nvidia-glx and kernel-generic?05:14
ehirdzerak: weird05:14
BluesKajh3sp4wn, then why does /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ contain al the other media type *.so files but not flash ?05:14
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h3sp4wnBluesKaj: That is for systemwide ones (usually installed by the packagemanager)05:15
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: If you are installing just for yourself (which I would do for a beta)05:15
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: Then ~/.firefox/plugins is the place05:16
BluesKajthere is no such file , h3sp4wn05:16
CyberSixwill the instructions for 6.10 release work if i'm trying to upgrade from breezy, rather than 6.06?05:16
BluesKajcpk1, there are no permissions ...they're all "greyed out"05:17
cpk1BluesKaj: oh well, pretty sure h3sp4wn knows what he is talking about =)05:17
zerakehird no clues then? I have probably done something silly, i usually do like missreading or accidently push something that makes the computer blow up05:17
ehirdzerak: i have a button like that on my keyboard, it says "boot windows"05:18
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h3sp4wnBluesKaj: [samw@spacecat]  (~)% ls -l ~/.mozilla/plugins/ | grep -v total05:19
h3sp4wn-rwxr-xr-x 1 samw samw 6753912 2006-10-19 02:15 libflashplayer.so05:19
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h3sp4wnBluesKaj: It is definately working here (but making firefox seriously slow - I may remove it)05:19
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: Are you sure you have the firefox plugin downloaded not the external flash player05:20
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harmentali've smoothly upgraded to edgy.....all works perfectly...i just have a little problem with folders named w/special characters05:20
BluesKajwhat was that last command you suggested supposed to do , h3sp4wn ?05:20
arunkaleabattoir: how painful?05:20
arunkaleharmental how did you upgrade?05:21
abattoirarunkale: lot's of users have complained about something or the other breaking05:21
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abattoirarunkale: but then, if you do things carefully, there should be little to worry about05:21
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h3sp4wnBluesKaj: Show you that that is where it is supposed to go05:21
arunkaleabattoir: okay, i'm going to give it a shot anyway, and i've backed up all my data.. if anything goes wrong, i can still access my windows partition right?05:21
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: (and the correct filename - there are 2 tar.gz's05:21
BluesKajflash-player-plugin-9.0.21.5505:22
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abattoirarunkale: yeah, that shouldn't be affected05:22
arunkaleabattoir: grub will be intact?05:22
larson9999h3sp4wn: it makes your ff slow?  how so?05:22
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: Is that a folder or file ?05:22
abattoirarunkale: yes, it should be05:22
BluesKajfolder05:22
arunkaleabattoir: so, how do i start? and is there anything i should keep in mind?05:22
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: All you need is the libflashplayer.so from the folder05:22
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: mkdir -p ~/.mozilla/plugins05:23
ehirdanybody have a vim tutorial for total newbies? newbies as in i can't figure out how to make it let me type :D05:23
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h3sp4wnehird: just run ``vimtutor''05:23
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abattoirarunkale: use aptitude if you can, and make sure important packages like xserver-xorg aren't held back, if they are, install them manually05:23
ehirdh3sp4wn: bash: vimtutor: command not found05:24
arunkaleabattoir: how do i make sure they aren't held back05:24
h3sp4wnehird: if you are on edgy you might need to install the vim package instead of vim tiny05:24
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BluesKajok h3sp4wn done, ~/.mozilla/plugins05:24
abattoirarunkale: you'll be told if they are being held back, look for those messages and make sure you install those packages05:24
arunkaleabattoir: what command(s) do i need to use to upgrade? do i need to restart or can i open a konsole right now and begin?05:24
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h3sp4wnBluesKaj: cd flash-player-plugin-9.0.21.55; cp libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins05:25
abattoirarunkale: no, you can begin right now05:25
arunkaleabattoir: how do i begin?05:25
larson9999my 5 year old loves adventure games.  just finished pajama sam.  will i scare him for life if i introduce him to sam & max hit the road?05:25
abattoirarunkale: change all instances of dapper to edgy in sources.list, and then sudo aptitude update05:25
harmentalarunkale..i followed the wiki....05:25
larson9999s/scare/scar05:25
harmentalall worked fine though05:25
ehirdlarson9999: no, you should do it05:25
arunkaleharmental: what wiki05:25
ehirdi played sam'n'max when i was 8/905:25
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abattoirarunkale: and then sudo aptitude dist-upgrade05:25
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ehirdlarson9999: maybe you should do day of the tentacle first, though, to ease the transition :p05:26
arunkaleabattoir: that's it?05:26
larson9999ehird: maybe.  i have them all05:26
abattoirarunkale: yep, that's all05:26
Th3_Cr0up13Rhey guys 1 quick question05:26
ehirdlarson9999: i have a sizable collection of lucasarts games05:26
harmentalarunkale....wait.....ill look for it.....05:26
arunkaleand i should close all my programs, right?05:26
abattoirarunkale: reboot, and you'll be in edgy, if it all went well05:26
Th3_Cr0up13Rif something is in bz2 format how do i uncompress it ?05:27
abattoirarunkale: not really necessary05:27
h3sp4wnlarson9999: using scumvm ?05:27
ehirdabattoir: that's unsupported so don't05:27
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BluesKajok done , h305:27
zerakehird thank you, will have to go somewhere else to find why the sound is malfunctining, once worked in dapper05:27
larson9999ehird same here.  i think i have just about all05:27
abattoirehird: which is?05:27
larson9999h3sp4wn: yep05:27
ehirdupdate-manager -c seems to be the reccomended way05:27
arunkale!upgrade05:27
BluesKajok done , h3sp4wn05:27
ubotuSee http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)05:27
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heinkel_111hi everyone05:27
abattoirehird: update-manager is an ubuntu tool05:27
ehirdlarson9999: i use the monkey island theme as a ringtone <.< >.>05:27
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larson9999ok.  dott it is.05:28
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: and if you run ls -l ~/.mozilla/plugins05:28
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: is it there ?05:28
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arunkaleabattoir: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade -- should i do all this? or just follow your method05:29
BluesKajyup05:29
abattoirarunkale: both are pretty much same, you could follow that05:29
BluesKajh3sp4wn, , it's there05:29
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arunkaleabattoir: ok.. and can i keep firefox open so that i can copy-paste the commands?05:29
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abattoirarunkale: yeah, sure05:29
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: chmod 755 ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so (mine is set to 755 anyway)05:29
a_mule_What is the default download folder when u use " wget " ?05:29
harmentalarunkale: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php05:29
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h3sp4wnBluesKaj: I take it you removed the other flash player prior to attempting to install this one ?05:30
slow-motionhallo05:30
abattoirarunkale: i'd have redirected you there, but i pm'd ubotu which gave me the wrong link05:30
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arunkaleabattoir: thanks a lot .. i'll be online here as well, updating you guys on the progress hehe05:30
abattoirarunkale: good luck :)05:30
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BluesKajyes i did ... it was vers 7 i believe05:30
ehirdhjkl for controlling? what are these guys smokin'?05:30
arunkaleabattoir: is it very time consuming on a fast connection, and if anything happens, can i just stop the upgrade midway05:31
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: run ``sudo dpkg -P flashplayer-nonfree'' to make sure05:31
larson9999ehird: back then there wasn't much else.  not so bad once you get used to it.  i like it so much i even use visearch to google05:31
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ehirdlarson9999: i still think it's silly05:32
abattoirarunkale: speed depends on the mirror... if you 'stop' during the downloads, you can resume it later05:32
arunkaleabattoir: also, is there some GUI way of doing this05:32
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ehirdmaybe cause i'm so used to doom and WASD :)05:32
abattoirarunkale: unfortunately no05:32
a_mule_Nevermind /home/user....05:32
arunkaleabattoir: ok thanks05:32
arunkalei'm starting now05:32
abattoirarunkale: doing it through adept pretty much screws up your system05:32
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larson9999ehird: actually very economic having the navigation keys at your finger tips.05:32
BluesKajh3sp4wn, warning: ignoring request to remove flashplayer-nonfree which isn't installed.05:32
harmentali've smoothly upgraded to edgy.....all works perfectly...i just have a little problem with folders named w/special characters such as ,   05:32
harmentalany hints?05:32
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: that is ok then05:33
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: Just load firefox and it should now be working05:33
BluesKajcool thx h3sp4wn ...i hope it works :)05:33
ehirdwell since i want to switch sometime what about dvorak keyboards?05:33
ehirdthose keys are all over the place05:33
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ehirdit should use the home row right hand of DVORAK, HTNS05:33
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larson9999ehird: i suppose you'd have to remap them if you want the same finger placement05:34
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ehirdlarson9999: surely there's a vim-dvorak or whatever?05:34
BluesKajh3sp4wn, SUCCESS! ...muchos gracias !05:35
larson9999ehird: maybe but even then it's probably just a config file that has the mapping for you.05:36
larson9999BluesKaj: so what did you goof up?05:36
arunkaleabattoir: holy shit 634 mb of archives05:36
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ehirdvimtutor confusion; in the insert example are you meant to do a seperate insert, type, esc for each position you need to insert to? because you lose the navigation keys upon using i05:37
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josh__hi people05:38
josh__how do you get album art in amarok?05:38
arunkalejosh__: right click on the album art space and select 'fetch from amazon'05:38
ehirdjosh__: its enabled by default05:38
arunkalein the context menu05:38
ehirdarunkale: wouldnt reccomend that, amazons covers are low quality05:38
ehirdthere's some scripts to download from itunes using some url hashing magick05:38
ehirdget them05:38
josh__where's the album art space though05:38
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ehirdjosh__: context dialog05:39
arunkalejosh__: in the context menu05:39
cntbcan I apt-get05:39
ehirdcntb: no it's illegal05:40
cntbh3sp4wn: still here ?05:40
arunkaleheheh05:40
cntbehird wrong enter05:40
cntbhehe05:40
ehirdcntb: you need a license05:40
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cntbenough ehird05:40
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arunkalecntb: what do you need to do05:40
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cntbh3sp4wn:  ?05:41
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h3sp4wncntb: why ?05:41
maddog39kubuntu sux i have to say, not impressed at all, Xubuntu and U untu are a billion times better05:42
cntbinstalling xen now? do you know which packages are indispensable05:42
arunkalei'm getting edgy just for the shiny login screens haha05:42
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cntbh3sp4wn: it is taking some time05:43
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h3sp4wncntb: the xen kernel xen-tools and the hypervisor05:43
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cntbBTW there exists a Edgy Eft DVD having it all , right ?05:44
KennyTheFreakWHY DO I HAVE TO RESTART X TO MAKE IT WORK IN 24BIT???? IM SICK OF IT!!!05:44
maddog39lol05:44
KennyTheFreakEach time i start my computer it works in something like 8bit >_<05:44
maddog39get GNOME, solve these problems :P05:44
cntbh3sp4wn: hypervisor? will check that05:44
KennyTheFreakIts both in Gnome and KDE05:44
maddog39oh well Xfce dont have that problem05:44
KennyTheFreakAND, gnome MAKES the problems sometimes btw05:45
fdovingKennyTheFreak: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change DefaultDepth to 24?05:45
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KennyTheFreaktried that aswell05:45
cntbty h3sp4wn05:45
KennyTheFreakfdoving: it IS 24 bit as DefaultDepth05:45
cntbxen kernel xen-tools and the hypervisor are the indespensable pkgs for xen to work ok05:45
fdovingKennyTheFreak: ok, what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say about this?05:45
KennyTheFreakmomento05:46
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fdovingKennyTheFreak: post it to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org05:46
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acehi05:46
BluesKajlarson9999, i had the libflashplayer.so in the wrong ffplugins dir05:46
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KennyTheFreakhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30185/05:47
Volkenhello, when installing Kubuntu, the installer stops at the point where on the dialog shows "Scanning the mirror..." and it shows 1% ... it lasts too long05:47
aceone letter on my keybaord doens't work anymore, it's the letter between O and Q05:47
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VolkenI install Dapper05:47
larson9999BluesKaj: where did you have it?05:47
KennyTheFreakace: theres MANY letters between O and Q05:47
KennyTheFreakSeven to be exact05:48
aceKennyTheFreak05:48
KennyTheFreak/precise05:48
KennyTheFreakace: yeah?05:48
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aceokay, if you want to look it that way, then it's the letter right next to O05:48
KennyTheFreakP or I?05:48
aceright05:48
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aceso not I05:48
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KennyTheFreakP05:48
KennyTheFreakk...05:48
Volkenhello, when installing Kubuntu dapper, the installer stops at the point where on the dialog shows "Scanning the mirror..." and it shows 1% ... it lasts too long05:48
aceye!05:48
zerakhmmm the right have changed since dapper, notice that a user can no longer access other partition (fat32), access denied05:49
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KennyTheFreakVolkem: probably because freecontrib is down05:49
wallanderwhy05:49
KennyTheFreak*Volken05:49
wallanderwhy05:49
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KennyTheFreakace: are you using the pc105 driver?05:49
aceI guess so05:49
wallanderwhy05:49
aceI saw it somewhere05:49
wallanderwhy05:49
aceis it broken ?05:49
wallanderwhy05:50
KennyTheFreaktry to do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"05:50
wallanderwhy05:50
acewallaner: because ?05:50
VolkenKennyTheFreak: how do I continue the installation, grub ain't installed05:50
wallanderno05:50
KennyTheFreakWallander: why what?05:50
wallanderwhy is life a cookie?05:50
esariCookies nad milk, mmm...05:50
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zerakfeels like my filesystem right have been ******* up05:51
wallanderwhy05:51
aceKennyTheFreak: I'd rather not do thatit's starts messing with my vid cards and I have a 3-head set u (and that doesn't go automagically I can tell ya !05:51
wallanderwhy05:51
KennyTheFreakVolken: ehm... with the live disk? http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories << do that and then try to install05:51
wallanderwhy05:52
KennyTheFreakWallander: cause God was hungry05:52
wallanderwas he?05:52
wallanderwhy?05:52
KennyTheFreakace: oh... and i can't remember how to edit the kbd without the reconfigure...05:52
VolkenKennyTheFreak: how about skip the upgrading try ?05:52
wallanderwhy05:53
Volkenattempt*05:53
zerakEdgy gets thumb down... sure more fun things but it surely messed up a lot and removed startup manager05:53
aceI will look into xorg.conf and change to c104 ??05:53
wallanderwhy05:53
ace(missing letter: c104 ?)05:53
VolkenKennyTheFreak: It passed to 2%05:53
KennyTheFreakWallander: cause he didnt eat for a week? he used the time to create earth, and then he was hungry, so he made the mobile snack, also called Humans05:53
wallanderwhy05:53
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KennyTheFreakVolken: thats a good sign...05:53
wallanderwhy humans? I prefer lions05:54
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KennyTheFreakWallander: but lions where to hairy05:54
BluesKajlarson9999, i had it in my home folder cuz it weouldn't install in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ like all the other media player *.so files05:54
wallanderKennyTheFreak sucks05:54
KennyTheFreakWallander: and humand dont try to eat you05:54
pointwoodanyone experience digikam not wanting to display photos? it has suddenly started just giving me a black screen :(05:54
ubuntu_#kubuntu-es05:54
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wallanderKennyTheFreak sucks05:54
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larson9999BluesKaj: oh, that'll do it.05:55
ironfroggyhow do i reinstall an already installed package and what is the command for reconfiguring a package?05:55
josh__how do i get adept out of read only mode?05:55
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wallanderwhy05:55
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wallanderwhy05:55
BluesKajso h3sp4wn had me make a file ~/.mozilla/plugins05:55
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KennyTheSnackjosh__: kill it, and start it with kdesu <app>05:55
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wallanderwhy05:55
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georgebironfroggy: dpkg-reconfigure  to reconfigure05:56
wallanderKennyTheFreak sucks05:56
KennyTheFreakWallander: cause the frog you saw when you was 4 had wings05:56
ironfroggygeorgeb: thanks, and do force a reinstall of an existing package?05:56
wallanderwhy05:56
KennyTheFreakwith --help :P05:56
wallanderwhy05:56
wallanderwhy05:56
reginaldosomebody speak portuguese?05:56
Hawkwind!pt05:57
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.05:57
ironfroggyisnt there an op in here?05:57
Hawkwindironfroggy: Yes05:57
KennyTheFreakWallander: cause it ate endoplasmatic flys05:57
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ironfroggycause this "why" crap kills noise ratio05:57
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wallanderwhy05:57
acepppp!05:57
larson9999man, i have to go to work monday.  not sure i remember how05:57
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aceKenny the Snack yep ! I am back in the business of P !05:58
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aceNeed to get the old keybaord from the trash, I dunked it05:58
ironfroggyHawkwind: thank you so much.05:58
acefunny huh05:58
XVampireXironfroggy: next time !ops05:58
acethis from a clean install of edgy05:58
josh__whats the command to open adept05:58
Hawkwindjosh__: sudo adept05:58
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XVampireXironfroggy: this summons them :P05:58
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ironfroggywtf i cant recongigure xserver-xorg-core because it cant connect to an X server, it says...05:59
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xsachadont run it as root?05:59
josh__not working05:59
josh__i remember there is a command that fixes it05:59
xsachaadept_manager05:59
ironfroggydoesnt the adept entries in the menu launch it with kdesu anyway?05:59
josh__i found it on kubuntu forums one times05:59
KennyTheFreakjosh__: do kdesu as it is a x app05:59
xsachayes05:59
Hawkwind!adept crash fix | josh__05:59
ubotujosh__: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'05:59
xsachakdesu adept_manager06:00
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josh__thank you06:00
ironfroggyi was also told i should install xfs to fix my font troubles, but i see no such package.06:00
xsachaLOL06:00
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TheGateKeeperHawkwind: hiya, how you doing?06:01
h3sp4wnironfroggy: just upgraded to edgy ? remove any reminants of xserver-xorg-driver-* (sudo aptitude purge xserver-xorg-driver~i) and reinstall kubuntu-desktop06:01
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ironfroggyh3sp4wn: the driver packages have to do with fonts?06:02
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h3sp4wnironfroggy: to do with abi version mismatch usually06:03
h3sp4wnironfroggy: But if you upgraded with apt you probably need to do that06:03
ironfroggyi used adept06:03
ironfroggybut im sure its the same06:03
HawkwindTheGateKeeper: I can't complain :)06:04
ironfroggyif you need to do this when you upgrade, why doesnt the upgrade just do this?06:04
TheGateKeeperHawkwind: :-)06:04
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h3sp4wnironfroggy: dist-upgrading with adept is an unwise thing to do06:04
a_mule_Anyone knows what the default font is in Kubuntu Edgy. i installed the ms core fonts, and know all looks :S :S06:04
josh__omfg06:04
josh__adept wont run anymore06:04
h3sp4wnjosh__: take it as a blessing06:05
ironfroggyh3sp4wn: well anyway, i cant install kubuntu-desktop06:05
BluesKajhas anyone been able to run FF2 with MediaWrap without FF crashing ?06:05
josh__why06:05
josh__i'm so mad now06:05
ironfroggyh3sp4wn: says it depends on packages that wont be installed (so shouldnt it just install them?)06:05
josh__!adept crash fix06:05
ubotuIf adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'06:05
h3sp4wnironfroggy: because adept trashed the dist-upgrade probably06:05
ironfroggyi mean, i thought that was the whole point of a package manager.06:05
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josh__god06:05
josh__it works now06:05
h3sp4wnironfroggy: apt-get / aptitude work properly for major upgrades adept doesn't06:06
josh__aww no it doesnt F***06:06
ironfroggyisnt adept just an apt frontend?06:06
josh__yes06:06
josh__but its way easier06:06
HawkwindYes06:06
Hawkwindjosh__: Not really06:06
josh__i'm always searching for packages and installing random tools06:06
ironfroggythen how does that make sense?06:06
Hawkwindsudo apt-get install <package> is pretty darn simple06:06
josh__but i like to see whats there06:06
Hawkwindjosh__: apt-cache search06:07
larson9999errr, where did the file systems gui go in edgy?06:07
Hawkwindjosh__: If you learn apt-get, you'll find it's just as easy, plus it works all the time :)06:07
ironfroggypeople dont want to type, they want to click.06:07
h3sp4wnHawkwind: dist-upgrading from dapper to edgy works with aptitude / apt-get but breaks horribly with adept or synaptic (do you agree with that ?)06:07
Hawkwind!hidden-root | larson999906:07
ubotularson9999: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles06:07
larson9999Hawkwind: thanks.06:08
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Hawkwindh3sp4wn: Adept is horrible. Just like most all other GUI package managers out there for every distro06:08
ironfroggywhy does apt complain about dependancies that wont be installed, instead of just installing them?06:08
josh__omg06:08
josh__i fixed it06:08
Hawkwindironfroggy: It shouldn't06:08
ironfroggythey wouldnt be horrible if any devs cared about gui package managers, but they are always ignored.06:08
josh__effin right06:09
Hawkwindironfroggy: Only if the packages are built incorrectly will it do that06:09
josh__thx for that apt-cache thing06:09
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enzo_is there a 686 available for 2.6.17-10?06:09
Hawkwindironfroggy: Speak to mornfall about Adept.  He's the creator/maintainer06:09
josh__i reinstalled adept and the program that hung adept installed and went through06:09
ironfroggyHawkwind: i dont understand how it can do that. if it _knows_ the package depends on it, how could it not know to install it?06:09
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Hawkwindenzo_: Use the -generic kernel, it does everything for you06:09
enzo_Hawkwind: Thank you06:09
larson9999Hawkwind: that seems to address konqueror and gtk widgets.  i'm looking for the gui in the system settings or kcontrol.  there was a dialog for file systems.  that's what i don't see.06:10
Hawkwindironfroggy: You need to learn how packaging works06:10
h3sp4wnHawkwind: True - but the fact is as well as being horrible (more importantly) it doesn't work right06:10
TheGateKeeperironfroggy: if you want to use a gui, use synaptic06:10
ironfroggyi know how packaging works. i am mostly very good with it, until it breaks like this.06:10
Hawkwindironfroggy: You know how to package debs ?06:10
ironfroggybut im saying people, in general, like to click. i havent packaged debs particularly, no.,06:10
Hawkwindironfroggy: If you don't then you don't truly understand how packaging works.06:10
ironfroggyeggs are so much easier :-)06:11
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HawkwindYou can do so many things to cause problems by having the wrong thing in a control or spec file06:11
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d0uglashi.. what's the mount command for an ipod the name of which shows up as /dev/disk/by-label/DOUGLAS or in the past as /dev/sda2?06:11
cntbwhat is the keyring manager for kde >?06:11
cntbI need it for krusader06:11
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markelhashello my frends06:11
ironfroggyHawkwind: yes but how could it break like this unless you have to seperately define the dependancies and the packages to install to satisfy them, which seems like a terrible thing to do?06:11
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cntbpoor krusader ! I asked it to look for smb: local XPs and it asks me password for every share which is about 20 times too dab06:12
ironfroggyi mean, doesnt it make sense that when this error comes up, apt might just try and install the packages in question?06:12
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Hawkwindironfroggy: It can happen, very easily.  I don't have the time to explain it all to you as I don't all of it.  But I package stuff for Mandriva/*Ubuntu all day long so I know how easy it is to break things06:12
cntbhehe06:12
cntbsmb experts around?06:13
markelhascan any onle explain to me why my kunbutu in battery icon show cpu 600 Mhz when my laptop is 1.600?06:13
ironfroggyHawkwind: well are those two sets of packages ('things i depend on' and 'things to install for me') seperate like it seems it would have to be for this error to even be possible?06:13
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ironfroggymarkelhas: throttled?06:13
Hawkwindironfroggy: I don't know, I'd have to dig into the packaging to be honest06:14
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ironfroggyHawkwind: well you create packages you said, and you dont list those dependancies in two seperate places, do you?06:14
markelhaswhat!?06:14
markelhasdidn't understand sorry06:14
markelhas..06:14
ironfroggymarkelhas: its a simple question. is your cpu throttled.06:14
h3sp4wnironfroggy: run ``dpkg -C'' fix the packages which are broken06:15
Hawkwindironfroggy: They can be.  All depends on the package.  To understand it all learn how to build packages. You can go on for days on end about this06:15
DralaFiis the defaut run level of kubuntu, 2?06:15
josh__hey one more thing06:15
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ironfroggyh3sp4wn: thanks06:15
markelhashumm i don't know the minig of that06:15
markelhasone mmt06:15
josh__in kopete, files send very slow06:15
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josh__but i receive them fast06:16
josh__same with webcam06:16
josh__its like it limits my upstream bandwith06:16
josh__but in amsn its way faster06:16
josh__is there any options for this06:16
hollywoodbmarkelhas: by default your cpu is using 'ondemand' performance governor, this means that once you do something cpu-intensive it'll jump up to full speed, but when you're just sitting on IRC and things like that it sits down at 600MHz to keep your system cool06:16
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enzo_I can't get into my desktop06:16
hollywoodbmarkelhas: the change in processor throttling is instantaneous, so there's really no downside to it06:16
h3sp4wnironfroggy: If you run sudo dpkg --configure -a (it will give you reasons why certain ones fail)06:16
enzo_The new kernel from edgy won't work06:17
markelhasokis06:17
markelhasthnks06:17
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markelhasi'm very fresh in linux06:17
sync350Hey, when I go to Kmenu -> system settings... there is no choice for display, is there a way to download it?06:17
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markelhassorry about stupied kestions06:17
ironfroggyhmm... so i now see that when i try to run kdm, it just does nothing. no logs, no process, nothing.06:17
h3sp4wnsync350: try running ``kdesu kcontrol'' more complete interface06:17
hollywoodbmarkelhas: its really nice that way, on my laptop the fan barely ever kicks in using 'ondemand' governor, so my laptop is completely silent06:17
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markelhasokok06:18
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ironfroggyand 'dpkg --configure -a' gives me no output at all06:18
h3sp4wnironfroggy: Is there no broken packages in dpkg -C ? You cannot expect it to work with broken packages06:18
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ironfroggyh3sp4wn: nothing, no.06:19
sync350h3sp4wn: still not there :(06:19
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markelhasi'm descovering my kunbutu06:19
markelhas:)06:19
h3sp4wnironfroggy: And what is the error message stopping you from installing kubuntu-desktop (full error message)06:19
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enzo_this is my error from loading after GRUB... BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-2ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash)06:20
TheGateKeepermarkelhas: dapper or edgy?06:20
enzo_then it says...        /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off06:20
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enzo_any ideas?06:20
ironfroggyh3sp4wn: it said some python-qt bindings wouldnt be installed, but i installed them and it went smoothly.06:20
h3sp4wnironfroggy: but now kubuntu-desktop is installed ?06:20
markelhasedgy i think, last one 6.1006:20
markelhasany tips for it?06:21
ironfroggyh3sp4wn: yes06:21
markelhashow do u do to responde to some one in main chat?06:21
markelhasto put nickname of some one first06:21
TheGateKeepermarkelhas: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy06:21
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h3sp4wnironfroggy: run sudo update-fonts-alias && sudo update-fonts-scale && sudo update-fonts-dir06:22
ironfroggykdm is running now, but with no Xserver...06:22
nadvornikHi!06:22
markelhasi've kunbutu!06:22
XVampireXHi06:22
XVampireXKubuntu06:22
TheGateKeepermarkelhas: first few letters, press tab to complete then write your message06:22
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h3sp4wnironfroggy: so its running on the console I don't understand06:22
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XVampireXCan I somehow make dpkg/apt-get be nice to my CPU?06:23
h3sp4wnironfroggy: Do you have a framebuffer version of qt ?06:23
TheGateKeepermarkelhas: kubuntu == ubuntu + kde desktop :-)06:23
ironfroggyh3sp4wn: there is a kdm process, but it doesnt seem to be doing anything.06:23
ironfroggyh3sp4wn: no06:23
markelhasTheGateKeeper: okis06:23
markelhasTheGateKeeper: thkns man06:23
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h3sp4wnironfroggy: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop06:23
TheGateKeepermarkelhas: yw :-)06:23
markelhasTheGateKeeper: going to check the site06:23
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h3sp4wnironfroggy: just try running xinit see if X starts then look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log06:24
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markelhasTheGateKeeper: this is the reason i like linux, everyone trying to help06:24
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TheGateKeepermarkelhas: :-)06:24
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mandangodoes anyone know where I can find system specs for Kubuntu?06:24
h3sp4wnironfroggy: Or try moving xorg.conf somewhere else and running Xorg -probeonly06:25
hollywoodbmandango: like system requirements or hardware info on your current system?06:25
markelhasTheGateKeeper: yesterday i was almost givinup from linux, but then i enter in this chat and my problems where resolved06:25
ironfroggy"Server error." and nothing in the logs.06:25
mandangohollywoodb: basically, what the minimum requirements for the pc to run the os06:26
markelhasTheGateKeeper: it was #ubuntu, but the spirit is the same06:26
DralaFidoh, with latest driver, I can't load ipw2200 firmware06:26
TheGateKeepermarkelhas: excellent, quite a few good people here, & if that doesn't work you can always use the forums06:26
DralaFigetting -2 error06:26
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markelhasTheGateKeeper: the forum, :((((((((((( no one help me there06:26
TheGateKeepermarileide: it's the same distro just different desktop06:27
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markelhasTheGateKeeper: i'm trying to install linux one year06:27
h3sp4wnironfroggy: sudo apt-get install --reinstall -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg xorg06:27
method|why is adept updater requesting that i remove nvidia-glx?06:27
TheGateKeepermarkelhas: usually you get an answer back in hours06:27
method|anyone else getting that notification?06:27
h3sp4wnironfroggy: Its adept not working right that has caused this06:27
markelhasTheGateKeeper: :(, my cpu always in 100%06:27
aknappGuys, im trying to install Kubuntu from the livecd. I'm at the part where you manually setup partition table. I select my prime partition as "/" and then another for swap. I click next and it says06:27
aknappNo root file system06:27
aknappWhat do I need to do?06:27
TheGateKeepermarkelhas: that fixed ?06:28
markelhasTheGateKeeper: i post some questions, but no one help me out06:28
method|aknapp: it did that to me too06:28
method|i forgot what i did to fix it06:28
aknapp>_<06:28
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method|oh yeah06:28
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markelhasTheGateKeeper: yes the problem was that i was installing linux in a pre partion made by partion magic06:28
method|aknapp: manually format the partition you want to put / on06:28
aknappok, i'll give that a shot. tnx06:28
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method|anyone else getting the remove nvidia-glx request from adept adapter?06:29
method|i dont want to remove it06:29
TheGateKeepermarkelhas: good old partition magic strikes again...06:29
method|im liking my beryl06:29
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markelhasTheGateKeeper: last night a cool person in #ubuntu told me to try installing from a fresh none partition and use livecd tool06:29
TheGateKeepermarkelhas: good advice :-)06:30
markelhasTheGateKeeper: Kubuntu now runnig 5 stars, and ppl help runing windows apps in linux06:30
markelhasTheGateKeeper: i'm simple very very happy with kubuntu06:30
markelhasTheGateKeeper: I prefer it to ubuntu06:30
aknappmethod| that worked like a charm, thanks.06:30
markelhasTheGateKeeper: i've to find some apps that i used in windows06:31
TheGateKeepermarkelhas: glad to hear it06:31
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TheGateKeepermarkelhas: Windows to Ubuntu Transition Guide: http://www.pcmech.com/show/os/917/06:32
markelhasTheGateKeeper: one thing that i've tried to install in my desktop was ubuntu, but i've one problem06:32
markelhasTheGateKeeper: your the man :)06:32
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markelhasTheGateKeeper: i'm using utorrent in my desktop, i've ddl some app to use in ubuntu but none of them works fine06:33
TheGateKeepermarkelhas: well I don't know about that, but I have collected a few bit & pieces: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/%28k%29ubuntunotes06:33
markelhasTheGateKeeper: i don't know you to config it06:33
TheGateKeepermarkelhas: why don't you use ktorrent?06:34
markelhasTheGateKeeper: yap last night i use it and simple perfect06:34
cntbty TheGateKeeper06:34
aknappI don't understand this: "The test of the file system with type fat32 in partition #5 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) found uncorrected errors."  this is durrent install)06:34
aknappIt shouldn't be doing anything to that partition.06:35
TheGateKeepercntb: yw :-) what did I do ?06:35
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ehirdquestion: why do people use $HOME when ~/ exists?06:35
markelhasTheGateKeeper: i was trying to install a app, that i don't remember the name now, something like shareazza to linux06:36
ironfroggyh3sp4wn: i tried that line you gave and it said the confmiss needs to = something06:36
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markelhasTheGateKeeper: joins emule torrent and gnutella in one web based app06:36
DralaFiehird, why do people use ~/ when cd exists?06:36
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ehirdDralaFi: err... what?06:36
ehird~/ is not a replacement for cd06:36
h3sp4wnironfroggy: just try it with just one package at a time then (I know the syntax is correct)06:37
DralaFiehird, who said?06:37
ehirdcd ~/ is what I meant, people use cd $HOME/ in scripts alot06:37
markelhasTheGateKeeper: i've foward all ports from router, but didn't work06:37
ehirdi just dunno why06:37
ironfroggyh3sp4wn: same error06:37
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DralaFiehird, export HOME=/home/foouser somescript.sh06:37
markelhasTheGateKeeper: so i've installed windows again, but know i'm really thinking to instal kubuntu in it06:37
DralaFiehird, open a shell, type cd and press enter06:37
DralaFicd gets you to your ~06:38
markelhasTheGateKeeper: i haven't don yet because of my printer06:38
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aknappanyone?06:38
ehirdDralaFi: hmm yes but you can't do like "texteditor ~/file"06:38
h3sp4wnironfroggy: try like apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install that then06:38
ironfroggyugh this is a terrible mess :-(06:38
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ehirdbut in scripts, i see "texteditor $HOME/file" used, is it just equivilents?06:38
DralaFiehird, ~/ afaik always expands to the user that runs it. whereas root can run a script that uses $HOME as long as he exports a new value.06:38
h3sp4wnironfroggy: the fault of adept though06:39
ehirdor do some distros not have ~06:39
DralaFiehird, all distros have ~06:39
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ironfroggyh3sp4wn: still, no change06:39
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ironfroggyh3sp4wn: i dont see how. i just did used apt.06:39
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DralaFidoh, i have no udev because it's on the stupid initrd06:39
h3sp4wnironfroggy: because it doesn't support all the debconf functionality (only most of it) - hence the system becomes broken in subtle ways06:40
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larson9999is it me or is robert heron seem to beem whenever someone mentions windows?06:40
ironfroggyh3sp4wn: apt, you mean?06:40
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oemhallo06:41
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h3sp4wnironfroggy: adept06:41
ironfroggyh3sp4wn: i used apt.06:41
oemkann mir jemand helfen?06:41
DralaFiehird, imagine a script, ls ~/ If root runs it, this expands to ls /root/, but if root wants to do it to another user? export HOME=/home/foo script.sh   where it will do ls /home/foo even though the user is root and ~ would expand to /root06:41
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h3sp4wnironfroggy: 17:06 < ironfroggy> i used adept06:41
ironfroggyi was mistaken.06:42
markelhasgoing to use samba06:42
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markelhas:P06:42
TheGateKeeper_damn ISP :-(06:42
oemanyone who speaks german here?06:42
cntbwindows has sndvol32.exe for sndvol level. what is the KDE equivalemt for sound level ?06:42
ehirdDralaFi: is this a Good Thing(tm) to use or not? :p06:42
h3sp4wnironfroggy: I find that unlikely (due to the conversation afterwards)06:42
ehirdcntb: kmixeer06:43
cigahi. I have two boxes (with edgy). I'd like to have both CPU to "help" each other. How do I do that?06:43
ehird*kmixer06:43
cntbty ehird06:43
ironfroggyh3sp4wn: it is true.06:43
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cigaCPUs :)06:43
h3sp4wnironfroggy: once it is hosed without --confmiss ing the relevant parts you have no chance06:43
ironfroggyh3sp4wn: i specifically remember watching (for hours) as all the different things were configured and repeatedly checking my terminal to see if its done.06:43
oem#linux.de06:43
ehirdcntb: for the record i reccomend keeping it at 100% through all chains of audio and adjust volume at the speakers/headphones06:43
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ironfroggyh3sp4wn: what does that mean06:43
DralaFiehird, not sure if it's a Good Idea (tm), but it would allow for some flexibility, which is always nice to have. The thing is, one could make a script either way.06:44
cntbmyabe I dont have it installed06:44
ehirdcntb: unlikely06:44
h3sp4wnironfroggy: read the apt / dpkg documentation - may have changed for your specific version however it works perfectly here so I cannot help you further06:44
ehirdSee that audio icon in the systray?06:44
arunkaleok people .. what were your reasons for upgrading to edgy (those of you who did)06:44
ehirdwell, that's kmixer.06:44
cntbdefault install on alternate put gnome then I manually added thru synaptic kde06:44
TheGateKeeper_back latter...06:44
cntbwhat is kmixer s path06:44
ehirdcntb: it's part of even kde-core.06:44
ehirdcntb: `kmixer`06:45
cntblocate on konsole could not show me06:45
cntbok where on menus06:45
ironfroggyh3sp4wn: well thanks for all the help thus far.06:45
ehirdoh sorry06:45
ehirdcntb: it's kmix06:45
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cntbtried on start run  winlogo +r kmixer06:45
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ehirdcntb: try kmix06:46
cntbah kmix not kmixer06:46
ironfroggyYAY i fixed it06:46
h3sp4wnironfroggy: have you tried reconfiguring xserver-xorg etc06:46
cntbright06:46
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cntbbreeze ty06:46
ironfroggyexcept i need to rebuild my xorg.conf and i cant remember how06:46
_sandra!mp306:46
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats06:46
aknapp"The test of the file system with type fat32 in partition #5 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) found uncorrected errors."06:46
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h3sp4wnironfroggy: move xorg.conf somewhere else and run Xorg -probeonly06:46
aknappcan someone tell me what this means?06:46
ironfroggyh3sp4wn: thats it thanks06:46
ciga!cluster06:46
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about cluster - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:46
ehirdis /tmp cleared automatically somehow or does my script have to do that manually06:47
cntbfunny it is very quiet as opposed to windowsw same speakers vol position06:47
hollywoodbehird: a good script cleans up after itself06:47
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ehirdhollywoodb: ah but it may be useful for people to access these files for a very short time afterwards06:48
ehirdso is /tmp cleaned on bootup/shutdown?06:48
hollywoodbehird: then they should go in /var/06:48
cntbehird what is HDA intel in kmix06:48
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cntbis it global vol?06:48
DralaFihigh definition audio from intel06:49
h3sp4wnDralaFi: Why do you need to un-initrd ?06:49
DralaFithe new intel8x0 audio cards06:49
ehirdhollywoodb: no, they aren't very likely to be accessed06:49
arunkaleumm i'm upgrading from 6.06 to 6.10.. what happens to my codecs, etc06:49
cntbok so vol is vry quiet06:49
arunkalethat didnt come with kubuntu06:49
DralaFih3sp4wn, i've installed new kernel, and initrd is evil :)06:49
ehirdjust files for a text editor to save to so they can be uploaded to a server06:49
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ehirdobviously if it goes wrong users could quickly recover it from /tmp06:49
ehirdbut it isn't good to have it hanging around too long06:49
DralaFih3sp4wn, only ever useful if you have to run lvm and i never have to06:50
DralaFior raid06:50
ehirdjust a simple question...06:50
hollywoodbDralaFi: or the kernel modules for you / filesystem aren't built in to the kernel06:50
hollywoodbDralaFi: and default (k)ubuntu kernel has ext3 support as a module06:50
h3sp4wnDralaFi: I prefer everything as modules - trivial to stop unwanted things loading in the initrd anyway06:50
DralaFihollywoodb, yes but who *doesn't* build drivers for their / into the kernel?06:51
DralaFisome things make sense as modules, some don't06:51
h3sp4wnDralaFi: Everything as modules (and I use a custom kernel)06:51
NickNakehird: /etc/default/rcS sets how long files are kept in /tmp06:51
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ehirdNickNak: so they will be autocleaned. thanks06:52
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ehirdwhat EXACTLY does beryl do?06:52
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DralaFiehird, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_%28window_manager%2906:53
Hawkwind!beryl06:53
ubotuberyl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/  -  Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl.06:53
ehirdand is putting a bash script that i will use regularly like a real prog (very regularly) in /usr/bin the best thing to do, or..06:53
h3sp4wnehird: /usr/local/bin06:53
ehirdh3sp4wn: alright thanks06:53
ehirdDralaFi: will it run on a 32mb sis mirage card? XD06:54
DralaFiehird, or mkdir ~/bin && cp script.sh ~/bin and set your path in your ~/.bashrc06:54
sync350h3sp4wn: you got any other ideas for getting to the display setting... cause the "kdesu kcontrol" didn't have it either06:54
h3sp4wnehird: keep anything not handled by the package manager in /opt or /usr/local (its easier)06:54
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DralaFiehird, it's probably too old to run it :P06:54
DFM_Anyone having problems with frostwire?06:54
ehirdDralaFi: but I could run something like that on windows probably ;/06:55
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dinosaur-rushi06:55
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ehirdwell for a non-nvidia or non-ati card etc. what apt-getness would i need to do to try it out?06:56
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dinosaur-rusafter I installed nvidia-glx package, I can't use "nvidia" module. it says "API mismatch: the client has the version 1.0-8774, but this kernel module has the version 1.0-8776"06:57
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dumbkiwidinosaur-rus: Did you get the right nvidia package to match your kernel?06:58
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usamahashimihi all06:59
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dinosaur-rusdumbwiki: I selected "nvidia-glx" package07:00
usamahashimihow can i download/install offline English dictionary (which can give me the meanings of English words)07:01
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dinosaur-rusdumbwiki: I used apt-get, so I hadn't much variants :/07:02
enzo_Where does thunderbird save your emails?07:02
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usamahashimi!dictionary07:03
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dictionary - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:03
ehirdaptget says "This APT has Super Cow Powers" and Aptitude says "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers" - is this just a joke?07:03
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chxhi. when on battery, my laptop is smart enough to switch off Bluetooth but I would like to switch off wifi, too. How could I do that? (the hardware is dell x1, intel mini pci wifi card)07:04
DralaFiusamahashimi, you can get dict from dict.org07:04
usamahashimiDralaFi: isn't that an online dictionary?07:05
rafaguapHi all! I would like to upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 on my 686 Packard Bell Easynote laptop with wifi. I'm a basic user for office work.... is the 6.10 "mature" enough now, or are there still some noticeable bugs to resolve for install (hardware)? Thanks !!07:05
d1nn3r_0utjeez, who is using kubuntu amd64, plz gives me advice how can i turn synaptic on?07:05
chxrafaguap: My Dell X1 runs Edgy.07:05
chxrafaguap: Also, it runs Beryl which is quite shocking..07:05
DralaFiusamahashimi, you can get the program and the dictionary files07:06
d1nn3r_0uti can't figure out how to add the cd package to the package manager07:06
ehirdsudo apt-get install xserver-xgl beryl <-- is this right?07:06
DralaFiusamahashimi, then you run it as a local server07:06
OODd1nn3r_0ut: kubuntu doesn't come with synaptic by default, it comes with adept instead07:06
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usamahashimiDralaFi: thanks. lemme check07:07
rafaguapchx: thanks.07:07
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dinosaur-ruscan anyone help me?07:07
d1nn3r_0utOOD,why? adept is so confusing07:07
DralaFiusamahashimi, http://www.dict.org/links.html   scroll down, you get links to the server code and the dictionary files. you can then use kdict and other programs to access your local copy or just connec to the dict.org one07:07
hoelkhi i need some rather urgent help07:07
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hoelki have one partiton mounted as root and one as /home07:07
hoelki accidently deleted a whole lot of stuff07:08
hoelkwhats the path of the trashcan07:08
dorihow come the download site for kubuntu ISOs doesn't have the md5sums? where can I get them?07:08
ehirdE: Couldn't find package beryl ???07:08
hoelk?(i didnt realy delete the stuff, just put it into trashcan)07:08
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OODd1nn3r_0ut: because synaptic is a gtk app, install synaptic if you dont like adept07:08
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usamahashimiDralaFi: i think if i install kdict, it will also install dict and then i only have to download dictionary files?07:08
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ehirdno ideas?07:09
d1nn3r_0utOOD, i dont' have internet connection on my kubuntu box so appreciated if you can just briefly tell me how can i add packages from the dvd with adept07:09
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hollywoodbehird: beryl-project.org07:10
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NickNakhoelk: ~/.local/share/Trash but why can't you just open the trash can?07:10
hollywoodbehird: or #beryl, or #ubuntu-xgl07:10
hoelknick: because i deleted some files that i actually need to open the trashcan07:11
hoelk;)07:11
hoelkbarely anything working here07:11
hoelkno filemanager anymore either07:11
NickNakhoelk: that sounds bad!07:12
hoelkit is07:12
hoelki just wanted to get rid of the device icons on my desktop07:12
hoelki didnt even consider thinking that that it would delte the files on it07:13
OODd1nn3r_0ut: try: sudo apt-cdrom add07:13
hollywoodbBluesKaj: packaging is a lot more work... not all apps behave correctly, need to make sure all the files that are part of an app go to the right places, .desktop files and such are generated if need be, need to determine between compile-time and run-time dependencies07:13
dorianyone know where I can get the md5s?07:13
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cigadori: for the iso?07:14
doriyes07:14
ehirdjesus christ look at all those instructions07:14
cigadori: for which release?07:14
ehirdapparently beryl is rocket science to install07:15
hollywoodbehird: eh? takes about 15 seconds07:15
doriciga: this one http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php07:15
cigadori: there are dapper and edgy. choose. :)07:15
ehirdhollywoodb then the wiki is overcomplex07:15
doriciga: 6.1007:15
hollywoodbehird: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu07:15
ehirdis there a good guide to beryl+kubuntu edgy?07:15
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hollywoodbehird: just add repos and install... you can use aiglx if your card supports it, which is already included as part of X.org07:16
ehirdhollywoodb it makes it out as if xgl oer aiglx is needed07:17
hollywoodbehird: nah. I've used aiglx exclusively across a couple distributions, including Kubuntu.  never bothered with the XGL overhead07:17
cigadori: http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ubuntulinux.org/releases/kubuntu/edgy/MD5SUMS07:17
ehirdhollywoodb: hello? can you read? i said "xgl or aiglx"07:17
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doriciga: no offense but is there a more official source?07:17
cigadori: but it should be there on every mirror.07:18
hollywoodbehird: I read "oer" as "over" typo07:18
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hollywoodbehird: and you already have aiglx07:18
NoDuNwitam07:18
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hollywoodbehird: you can see if your card is supported here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx07:18
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cigadori: none taken. let me find a better one.07:19
ehirdhollywoodb aside from checking there i could guarantee you anyway it won't: i have a lame 32mb SiS mirage. Checked, and it isn't even mentioned - so I need to install XGL07:19
ehirdwhich looks like a pain07:19
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hollywoodbehird: you didn't check to well then, since SIS is mentioned on that page07:19
hollywoodbehird: "via, s3 savage, sis. No intrinsic reason why these wouldn't work, as far as we know, but no one has tested them yet."07:19
ehirdhollywoodb: hmm ok07:20
ehirdSo I can just go on to Beryl install?07:20
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hollywoodbehird: yep, and if it work with aiglx you can install xgl after the fact07:20
hollywoodbehird: if it doesn't work, i mean07:20
ehirdjust one last thing, if things stuff up what do i do to get back?07:20
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enzo_How do you delete a directory?07:20
ehirdjust uninstall beryl and it'll undefault it?07:20
ehirdenzo_: ... are you sure you want to be using linux?07:21
ehirdbut, rmdir <dir name>07:21
hollywoodbehird: killall beryl-manager , but you should be able to stop it via the systray icon if you install all the beryl and emerald packages07:21
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ehirdok hmm, do i need to reboot after this07:21
hollywoodbehird: it won't start unless you tell it to either, which is why you have to add beryl-manager to kde autostarted apps... no reboot needed, just run beryl-manager to test07:21
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enzo_says that directory is not empty07:22
georgebdori: that's a official mirror; you can check it out on http://www.kubuntu.com/download.php (Europe -> Romania) or you can search for a nearer mirror07:22
Alzi2_Hey. I had a question. Is it possible to install Kubuntu from the Ubuntu LiveCD? (I don't want to download another CD AGAIN...)07:22
enzo_ehird: directory not empty, won't delete it07:22
cigadori: how about this one? http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/6.10/MD5SUMS07:22
ehirdenzo_: rm -rf <dirname>07:22
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ehirdenjoy the most damaging powertool in linux history07:22
rafaguap ehird: a weapon of mass destruction !!! :-)07:23
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doriciga: but that's ubuntu, not kubuntu, people should really think about puttin them on the download page, it doesn't make sense not to have something there07:23
ehirddo you have to get the gpg key stuff for beryl? it's a hassle :/07:24
hollywoodbehird: just copy paste that one command to a term07:24
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hollywoodbehird: otherwise it'll complain when you 'apt-get update'07:24
georgebdori: http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/edgy/ for kubuntu07:24
ehirdhollywoodb alrighty07:25
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dorigeorgeb: that works, thanks07:25
ehirdi get errors.07:25
ehird!pastebin07:25
ehird... ubotu is dead07:25
ehird!pastegbin07:25
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about pastegbin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:25
ehird!pastebin07:25
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)07:25
ehirdhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30202/07:26
ehirdheh oops07:26
ehirdforgot a k07:26
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ehirddoing install now :)07:29
ehirdumm07:29
ehirdit says it has nothing to upgrade when i follow the instructions to install07:29
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ehirdaha! apt-get install beryl07:30
knappSo Ubuntu/Kubuntu no longer comes with Firefox preinstalled?07:30
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ehirdknapp: kubuntu never did, ubuntu still does.07:30
Hawkwindknapp: No, but it's in main so it's easily installable07:30
knappoh ok.07:31
ehirdokay installed beryl07:31
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ehirdwhat do i run to test it out now?07:31
jelknapp: epiphany is better integrated with gnome anyway, and for kde, konqueror is much more integrated.  It also has questionable security, compared to mozilla etc.  It should be there if people want it, but not default imho.07:31
cigawhat is beryl?07:32
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ehird!beryl | ciga07:32
ubotuciga: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/  -  Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl.07:32
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cigaoic07:32
ciganice.07:32
ehirdnow i just need the command to startit! *g*07:33
knappjel only problem I have with Konq is that it doesn't work with some sites. Most notably, gmail.07:33
knappwell, it works, but not fully07:33
ehirdah, "beryl-manager"07:33
knappgmail has to use standard html view07:33
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cvacuboHello... Maybe you can help me? I need mount UDF iso file on /mnt/iso1 and then mount with nfs this /mnt/iso1 on /mnt/iso2. But I have error: Permission denied.07:34
fdovingknapp: set konq to identify as firefox at gmail.com and it'll work in the fancy view too.07:34
knappoh I gotta try that07:34
fdovingknapp: settings -> browser identification.07:35
fdovinginside koq.07:35
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knappfdoving it's already in there.07:35
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elias_how can I recover a file which has been deleted on a reiserfs partition?07:36
knappfdoving: "For a better Gmail experience, use a fully supported browser.   Learn more"07:36
fdovingknapp: ok, google.com too?07:36
knappyes07:37
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fdovingknapp: Works for me.07:37
arunkalewhy have you guys upgraded to edgy07:37
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hollywoodbelias_: google: reiserfs file recovery07:37
knapp"Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux) KHTML/3.5.5 (like Gecko) (Kubuntu)"07:37
knappoops07:37
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knappnope, still07:38
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fdovingknapp: did you add gmail.com and google.com to the list? and set fake user agent to Firefox 1.5.0.407:38
fdovingthat's what I have, and it works.07:38
fdovingyou need both gmail.com and google.com i think. atleast that's what i have.07:38
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knappyes07:39
RiKKKiHey all my partners having trouble installing myth TV any suggestions on what he should do, from what i can gether its a fresh kubuntu install07:39
georgebhow can I find out from what repo is a package ? I can see the package is somewhere with apt-cache show ; but I don't know in which repo07:39
ehirdberyl "works" the same way a lobotomy "works"07:39
ehirdi get basically allwhite and a few alt+tab graphics.07:39
fdovinggeorgeb: 'apt-cache madison package'07:39
ehirddo i need to install xgl instead?07:39
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hollywoodbehird: hehe, maybe07:39
fdovingehird: tried #ubuntu-xgl ?07:40
knappfdoving, ok closing it out and reopening looks like it did the trick07:40
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ehirdfdoving: it may be a beryl problem i dunno07:40
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hollywoodbehird: apt-get install xserver-xgl libgl1-mesa xserver-xorg libglitz-glx107:40
fdovingehird: ok, i don't know anything about XGL. Can't stand using it. sorry.07:40
hollywoodbehird: I believe you have everything else you need07:40
hollywoodbehird: but you'll have to add an Xgl login session to kdm/gdm as per the beryl wiki07:41
georgebfdoving: doesn't work; at least not for w32codecs07:41
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markelhashey07:41
markelhasppl07:42
markelhasany expert in samba?07:42
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fdovinggeorgeb: that usually means the package isn't in any of the repositories you have enabled.07:43
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fdovinggeorgeb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats -> Select 'Windows Codecs' in the Contents list.07:44
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Hikaru79How can I access the Java Control Panel in Kubuntu? (In Gnome, it would automatically be added to the menu under "Administration", but I don't see it in the KDE menus)? Any ideas? :)07:45
markelhascan't put my samba working07:45
markelhascan any one help me out07:46
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ppine__.07:47
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ppine__Is it possible to stream audio from a windows share without mounting it ?07:48
cigamarkelhas: what's wrong?07:48
ppine__just //adres etc. in konqueror07:48
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markelhasciga: i've ddl the samba07:48
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dinosaur-rusok, I got nvidia-glx package to work07:49
Bubba_Gump:D07:49
markelhasciga: and tried to explorer my windows machine but got a error07:49
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georgebfdoving: thx07:50
Bubba_Gumpanyone know of a good 'SPSS' , or like, appy ?07:50
dinosaur-rusnow I want to know if setting CPATH environment variable will break compiler's default search paths or not07:50
markelhasciga: i'm in samba sahres them my home group appers07:50
markelhasciga: them my machine07:51
markelhasciga: after that error07:51
markelhasciga: :(07:51
cigamarkelhas: can you connect from windows to linux?07:51
georgebmarkelhas: what was the error ?07:51
hollywoodbBubba_Gump: what's spss ?07:51
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markelhasdidn't try to connect from windows to linux07:51
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enzo_I am trying to install Kubuntu 6.10 via LiveCD and it tells me "No root file system". What's the fix?07:51
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Bubba_Gumpit's a statistics program, good for science and sorta like a spreadsheet thingy07:52
markelhasgeorgeb: no error now, but no share folder07:52
markelhasand yes i've shared a folder on the windows machine07:52
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Bubba_Gumpi've RWKard and it's a bit naff07:52
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cigamarkelhas: which windows version?07:53
Bubba_Gumpjust looking for something much groovier :D07:53
markelhasxp sp207:53
markelhasmy desktop07:53
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cigamarkelhas: no firewall on windows, right?07:53
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markelhasyes i've one07:53
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markelhasciga: but from windows machine i can see my share07:54
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markelhasciga: from linux should be ok them, right!?07:54
cigamarkelhas: from the same windows machine, or an other one?07:54
markelhasanother one, this one but with windows07:54
markelhasmy laptop07:54
cigaok07:55
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cigamarkelhas: try smbclient -L $yourdesktopwindowsip07:55
markelhasoki07:55
enzo_anyone here done the edgy install from the livecd?07:55
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cntbh3sp4wn:  ? gone?07:55
ubuntuHey all... have a problem with X... I cant start it anymore... The installed that is...07:56
markelhasciga: Error returning browse list: NT_STATUS_OK07:56
dinosaur-rusubuntu: ??07:56
cntbyour nick is ubuntu ?07:56
ubuntuIt doenst give me an error or nothing... just a blank screen. cant change to a shell either07:56
ubuntucntb: Live cd.07:56
dinosaur-ruswill setting the CPATH variable break existing search paths?07:57
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Alzi2_Hey. I had a question. Is it possible to install Kubuntu from the Ubuntu LiveCD? (I don't want to download another CD AGAIN...)07:57
markelhasciga:  on konker got this error: The file or folder smb://mav-desktop/ does not exist07:57
cntbhave hirenCD or gparted botable CDs ubuntu ?07:57
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cntboh tha is more understandable Hagbarddenstore07:58
dinosaur-rusAlzi2_: there's "Install" shortcut on the desktop07:59
Hagbarddenstoregonna look in the x log now07:59
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cigamarkelhas: do you know how to mount a share with 'mount'?07:59
Alzi2_dinosaur-rus: You didn't read my message correctly. I said from the UBUNTU LiveCD07:59
hollywoodbehird: any luck with beryl?08:00
h3sp4wncntb: What do you need to know ? (If you want to install netbsd under xen I might be interested) but I think its pretty simple to do if you just follow the documentation08:00
redmonkey(k)ubuntu is in my opinion the best linux. it detects the most hardware of all linux distributions.08:00
zorglu_Alzi2_: install it and then do 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'08:00
dinosaur-rusAlzi2_: ahh... didn't know they differ so much...08:00
markelhasciga: i think i can manage with the help of the man08:00
zorglu_Alzi2_: but still it will require quite a bit of download08:00
cigamarkelhas: try that first.08:00
georgebmarkelhas:  try smbclient -L $yourdesktopwindowsip -U windows_username08:00
Alzi2_zorglu_: And how to get rid of the gnome packages still scattered about, then? or can you switch inbetween? but it messes up the menu's, i think.08:00
georgebmarkelhas: might be an auth problem08:01
ehirdhollywoodb, did you read my previous message? :p08:01
zorglu_Alzi2_: well it is very simple to add pacakge, but to remove is very hard08:01
hollywoodbAlzi2_: there's an article in the forums about properly adding and removing the big metapackages like ubuntu-desktop08:01
zorglu_Alzi2_: some people has made pages about how to remove all the package from gnome in the case you describe08:01
knappI have just installed Kubuntu, where can I go to figure out what repositories I need?08:01
hollywoodbehird: try xgl?08:01
Alzi2_"the forums are offline until further notice." <-- You guys have no choice but to help me :P08:01
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zorglu_hehe :)08:02
Hagbarddenstorehow do I chroot into the hdd and use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?08:02
zorglu_"wanna bet ?" :)08:02
ehirdhollywoodb, except, i can't get thru its tutorial08:02
ehird"BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)" on glxinfo08:02
hollywoodbHagbarddenstore: mount / partition someplace, then: chroot /mnt/whereitis/ /bin/bash08:03
hollywoodbHagbarddenstore: then do what you need to do08:03
markelhasgeorgeb: maybe, but how can i autorize it? in windows or linux?08:03
cigamarkelhas: -U $youraccountonyourwindowsdesktop08:03
cigaand then you need to type the right password for that user.08:04
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georgebmarkelhas: I think there was a change in XP SP2; so the shares can't be listed if the connection type is anonymous, or smth like that; and if you don't specify a windows username to smbclient, it will try a anonymous connection08:04
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georgebmarkelhas: just put a valid account from the windows machine for smbclient -U ; so smbclient will send some credentials08:05
markelhasgeorgeb: okidoki08:05
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markelhasgeorgeb: and ciga: something like what smbclient -U MyUser MyIPMAchine?08:06
cigasmbclient -U MyUser -L MyIPMAchine08:07
Alzi2_Guys - I meant: Is there a way to make the installer use Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu?08:07
georgebmarkelhas:  smbclient -L MyIpMAchine -U MyUser08:07
markelhasgeorgeb: ok i'll try08:08
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Hikaru79How can I access the Java Control Panel in Kubuntu? (In Gnome, it would automatically be added to the menu under "Administration", but I don't see it in the KDE menus)? Any ideas? :)08:09
markelhasgeorgeb: same error08:09
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killermach__I am trying to clone a partition with dd or partimage, but I get "cannot read from sector 266938" how do I get the drive to reallocate the bad sectors so I can image the data?08:09
skiyHikaru79: Mine is /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.08/bin/javaws08:09
Hikaru79skiy, I'm pretty sure that's just the WebStart panel (javaws -> java web start)08:10
Hikaru79I need the general overall panel, not just for webstart.08:10
skiyHikaru79: apt-get install gnome-control-panel08:10
Hikaru79LOL :P08:11
skiyHikaru79: sorry, gnome-control-center :)08:11
Hikaru79I'm not going to install Gnome just to find the java control panel ^ ^;08:11
Hikaru79But perhaps I'll just ask a Gnome-using friend to see what his menu launcher points to :)08:11
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ciga!rh-cluster08:12
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about rh-cluster - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:12
skiyHikaru79: sorry :(08:12
Hikaru79Thanks anyway, skiy :)08:12
knappCan someone recommend me a good kate/kwrite alternative?08:13
georgebmarkelhas: hmm.. do you have a firewall ?08:14
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ehirdkbounce is addictive08:14
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ehirdknapp: vi, emacs, nano08:14
skiyknapp: kedit?08:15
skiyknapp: kdevelop308:15
skiyknapp: it depends on what you want it for, really :)08:15
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knappskiy, just everyday use. Just wanted to look at some alternatives.08:16
knappI feel like Kate is slow08:16
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skiyknapp: yes, it is :)08:16
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skiyI don't suppose anyone knows my the sounds skips in many kde applications on my clean install of edgy ?08:17
skiymake that all kde applications08:17
ogejoin #ubuntu08:17
skiyoge: I asked there :(08:17
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Kim^JI fixed X... =)08:18
firebird619Could someone help me out. I just installed Beryl and would like to make it autostart. I used the script on http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Dapper/XGL to add into ~/.kde/Autostart, but that did not work.08:18
skiyHikaru79: ControlPanel08:19
skiyHikaru79: :)08:19
ogefirebird: did you make it executable?08:20
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firebird619oge: yes.08:20
ogei tried it once on my laptop and it worked for me...08:20
Hawkwindfirebird619: Have you tried #Beryl or #Ubuntu-XGL ?08:20
firebird619Hawkwind: No, I thought I would try here first. I can go there and ask. Thanks08:21
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Helioshi all08:22
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vareanI can install anything from th euniverse repositories08:26
vareancant*08:27
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Ace2016Hi i need some help08:29
Ace2016open office is VERY unstable and i need to do coursework08:29
Ace2016and i need a solution thats faster than buying windows08:29
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Ace2016and installing oo on it08:29
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hollywoodbAce2016: koffice08:30
Ace2016which i can't do till tomorrow08:30
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Ace2016hollywoodb: is koffice compatible with oo?08:30
vareanDoes kubuntu come with gcc installed?08:30
hollywoodbAce2016: if you save in a compatible format, sure08:31
Hawkwindvarean: sudo apt-get install build-essential should install it for you if it's not already installed08:31
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vareanI get this error08:31
vareanvarean@Tux:~/gcc-4.1.1$ sudo apt-get install build-essential08:31
vareanReading package lists... Done08:31
vareanBuilding dependency tree... Done08:31
vareanPackage build-essential is not available, but is referred to by another package.08:31
vareanThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or08:31
vareanis only available from another source08:31
vareanE: Package build-essential has no installation candidate08:31
B-Minus_hello08:32
B-Minus_is there some sort of DUmeter for linux ?08:32
vareanI cant really install anything08:32
Ace2016hollywoodb: so koffice can't .odt files? and will the new format be usable on windows somehow, i have to print it in school08:32
fdovingvarean: enable the repositories.08:32
fdoving!repos08:32
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu08:32
hollywoodbAce2016: should do odt08:32
vareanI did08:32
hollywoodbAce2016: go read up on it08:32
Ace2016ok08:32
vareanI uncommented the universe repositories08:32
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fdovingvarean: do the same for main08:33
Ace2016i'll compile oo from source, that should make it work08:33
vareanthat did, it sweet, tyvm08:34
UQlevAce2016, you will get it by the end of tomorrow08:34
hollywoodbAce2016: haha, I thought you need a quick solution08:34
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Ace2016oh so it takes longer than 9 hours? :(08:36
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Ace2016oh wait i'll try the pre compiled version first08:40
ehirdis there a ruby lib for ncurses and whats the package name if so?08:44
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DarkWizzardhello all08:45
DarkWizzardcan someone help me with this problem08:45
DarkWizzard?08:45
DarkWizzardhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1688776#post168877608:45
Alzi2_I'm switching to KDE because BasKet looks so good.. much better than TomBoy :O08:45
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ehirdAlzi2_: KDE roxor :)08:46
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ehird:P08:46
Alzi2_ehird: Does kde 3.5 look better than its predecessor? :)08:46
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ehirdAlzi2_: heheheh yes08:46
Alzi2_http://basket.kde.org/screenshots.php <-- this theme.. how the heck?08:47
Alzi2_what theme is that?08:47
ehirddon't judge it based on Kubuntu, though! Kubuntu Edgy has a horrible, horrible purple look08:47
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ehirdAlzi2_: that's nice, but I prefer Plastik :)08:47
Alzi2_what theme is that?08:48
DarkWizzardI need plastik08:48
DarkWizzardhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats08:48
DarkWizzardlol08:48
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DarkWizzardbad link08:48
DarkWizzardhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1688776#post168877608:48
DarkWizzardsorry08:48
DarkWizzardMy themes are messed up08:48
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bene1hi! my laptop suspends after a few minutes if it's on battery - how can i disable this? (dapper)08:48
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DarkWizzardI cant switch to plastik08:48
ehirdDarkWizzard: hah08:49
ehirdplastik is awesome08:49
DarkWizzardI know08:49
DarkWizzardthis Platinum suxx08:49
DarkWizzardI want to switch08:49
DarkWizzardits installed but doesn't appear08:49
Ace2016DarkWizzard: you should try http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40492  its a much nicer theme08:49
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DarkWizzardI'll try08:50
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Alzi2_what's so nice about plastik?08:52
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Alzi2_I find it rather standard08:52
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Ace2016seems removing ~/.openoffice2/ did the trick, seems to be stable for now08:52
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DarkWizzardwth08:54
DarkWizzardI didn't have kdelibs installed08:54
DarkWizzardis that normal ?08:54
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Alzi2_no08:54
DarkWizzardI agree08:54
Ace2016how can you not have kdelibs installed?08:55
Ace2016you can't be in kde without it08:55
Alzi2_indeed..08:55
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Alzi2_don't you mean kdelibs-dev?08:55
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rolyHi08:56
Ace2016Hi08:56
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rolysomeone know how to play wmv format with kaffeine?08:56
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DarkWizzardI mean normal kdelibs08:57
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Alzi2_DarkWizzard: That's very, very, very, very (5 hours and a few beers later) *hickup* very, very, very, very weird.08:57
DarkWizzardyeah I know08:58
DarkWizzardjust Installed it08:58
rolysome reference?08:58
rolymmmmmmmmmmmm08:58
rolythen I hava a problem08:58
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Ace2016roly: install libxine-extracodecs and w32codecs or install vlc and use that as the player08:59
rolytks Ace201608:59
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Alzi2_what the heck.. my laptop is going insane while installing imagemagick.09:00
Alzi2_It's like, totally blowing the fan out!09:00
Alzi2_well.. not that, but.. it's blowing :P09:00
DarkWizzardhow do I build this09:00
DarkWizzard?09:00
DarkWizzardhttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=4049209:00
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DarkWizzardchecking if UIC has KDE plugins available... no09:01
DarkWizzardconfigure: error: you need to install kdelibs first.09:01
Alzi2_DarkWizzard: Source in Ubuntu is -NIGHTMAREISH!-09:01
DarkWizzardand kdelibs and kdelibs-dev is installed09:01
francoishi all, does anyone know how to enable printing authorization ? my printer won't let me configure it09:01
DarkWizzardrun kwrite09:01
DarkWizzardrun print09:01
Alzi2_Then logout and in09:01
DarkWizzardand there is a button with the kde printer setup wizzard09:01
DarkWizzardAlzi2_: ok09:02
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DarkWizzardfrancois: or easyer09:02
DarkWizzardsudo apt-get install system-config-printer09:02
DarkWizzardthat thing just rullz09:02
DarkWizzardok09:03
DarkWizzardbrb09:03
Alzi2_sudo ubuntuctl eat hamburger... If that existed, I would be happy :P09:03
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Alzi2_sudo ubuntuctl switch washmachine on09:03
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DarkWizzardsudo ch0wn me real-life09:04
Alzi2_lol09:04
Ace2016I bet you could do that with bluetooth and a mobile09:04
francoislol09:04
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Art_How can I get rid of that silly bouncing cursor?09:04
DarkWizzardkcontrol09:04
Alzi2_sudo chmod 1337 /usr/src/DarkWizzard/skillzorz09:04
DarkWizzardyou just turn itt off09:04
Alzi2_:D09:04
zorglu_!codec | roly09:05
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:05
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Ace2016Art_: its in kcontrol09:05
DarkWizzard:D09:05
zorglu_!codecs | roly09:05
uboturoly: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats09:05
Art_DarkWizzard, Where?09:05
DarkWizzardw809:05
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Ace2016Art_: Appearance and Themes > Launch Feedback09:05
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DarkWizzardyeah09:06
DarkWizzardthere09:06
DarkWizzardok09:06
DarkWizzardbrbr09:06
DarkWizzard-r09:06
bene1hi! my laptop suspends after a few minutes if it's on battery - how can i disable this? (dapper)09:06
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Alzi2_Wow. The new look of Kubuntu is great!09:07
lotfihello09:07
lotfii have a problem09:07
lotfiThe APT database could not be opened !!!!09:07
Ace2016lotfi: two apps are trying to access it at the same time or one wasn't closed properly09:07
binary2k2lotfi: can you post the exact error?09:07
lotfiok09:08
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marcohi09:08
marcohi to all09:08
marcocan anybody help me?09:08
Ace2016hi marco09:08
marcoHi Ace09:08
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Ace2016people will help if they can but we need the problem first09:09
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marcocan u help me getting thru a couple of things?09:09
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marcooh, ok, 2 very simple issues09:09
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Ace2016still don't know what the actual issues are09:09
marco1) I want to install Firefox 2.0 since Konqueror keeps on Crashing09:09
marcoand09:09
hollywoodbmarco: 1) apt-get install firefox09:09
Hawkwindmarco: Are you running Dapper or Edgy ?09:10
marco2) I would like to install the new versione of Ktorrent and Kopete for the same reason09:10
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marcoDapper09:10
Hawkwindmarco: No firefox 2.0 for Dapper in deb format09:10
hollywoodbaww09:10
marcoI tried using apt-get but it gives me an error message09:10
Hawkwindmarco: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade will update to the newest ktorrent if there is a newer version09:10
lotfiThe APT database could not be opened !!!this may be caused bye incorrect APt configuration or same similar  problem !try running and apt-get update in terminal09:10
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marcoI have the .tar file of firefox 2.0, I just would like to install it correctly and in the right firectory, not in my home directory09:11
marco(P.w. - i love Hawkwind 2)09:11
marco(the band, I mean)09:11
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Hawkwindmarco: You're better off finding deb packages instead of compiling things09:11
DarkWizzardstill not compiling09:11
lotfiand see if  helps to resolve the problem09:11
Hawkwindmarco: I don't get the nick from the band :P09:11
marcooooo09:11
DarkWizzardshow me a deb package for this :D09:11
DarkWizzardhttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=4049209:11
marcohaha09:11
binary2k2lotfi: open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update"09:12
Hawkwindmarco: Maybe you should try the deb packages of swiftfox from http://getswiftfox.com09:12
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marcoso u mean I cannot get firefox 2.0 on dapper?09:12
DarkWizzardof course you can09:12
lotfiE: Le type http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash est inconnu sur la ligne 1 dans la liste des sources /etc/apt/sources.list09:12
DarkWizzardgetfirefox.com09:12
lotfisorry in french !09:12
marcoof the people that updated to Edgy I have seen that many had big problems, u noe09:13
Hawkwindmarco: You can, but it's recommended you stick with deb packages on a deb based distro09:13
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binary2k2lotfi: :-p can you translate it for me?09:13
marcono problem, I speak french09:13
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lotfiok09:13
DarkWizzardmarco: it works fine for me09:13
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zorglu_lofti: your sources.list is corrupted09:13
DarkWizzardjust download it and make a link on the desktop09:13
DarkWizzardno source needed09:13
zorglu_lotfi: you can not put such url in it09:13
zorglu_!flash909:13
ubotuFlash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html09:13
zorglu_lotfi: you can try following those instruction to install flash909:14
marcohmmm....and it will not install in my home directory?09:14
lotfiok09:14
lotfithank u09:14
marcoehi, that's a .tar file!09:15
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marcoI already have that09:15
psfhi09:15
DarkWizzarduntar it09:15
Ace2016well i installed the swiftfox by extracting it to /opt/swiftfox and making a file called swiftfox in /usr/bin/ and putting #!/bin/sh (nextline) /opt/swiftfox/firefox $*  in it. Done09:15
psfxgl in ubuntu how to09:15
marcoyep, but in which directory?09:15
HawkwindAce2016: Why ?  Why not use the deb packages09:15
marco<bin>?09:15
psfor aixgl09:15
DarkWizzardmarco: opt09:15
DarkWizzardor your home09:15
psfhelp09:15
DarkWizzarddoesn't really matter09:15
Ace2016Hawkwind: does swift fox have deb packages?09:15
HawkwindAce2016: Yes.  Click the link at the top of the page that says Debian09:16
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marcoso I can untar it in <bin>? because I have all my programs there09:16
HawkwindAce2016: It's also mentioned on the front page as well in the second paragraph09:16
Ace2016Hawkwind: i just saw that09:16
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binary2k2psf: you have to tell us the problem first09:16
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DarkWizzardwhat card psf ?09:17
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Hawkwind!xgl | psf09:17
ubotupsf: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems09:17
DarkWizzardhttp://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=949335309:17
DarkWizzardbtw09:17
DarkWizzardwhat does XGL need to run09:17
DarkWizzardwould it run with an ATI 9200 SE with fglrx drivers and 256 MB ram ? :D09:18
marcoDWizzard : Nvidia or Ati I think09:18
HawkwindDarkWizzard: Read the above URL, it tells you all of that09:18
HawkwindDarkWizzard: Very sluggishly09:18
Ace2016Hawkwind: i installed the trunk version, i didn't think they'd have deb versions of those09:18
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DarkWizzardKorrora wouldn't start09:18
DarkWizzardnow I'm trying some XGL live cd09:18
DarkWizzardjust downloading it09:18
Hawkwind256MB of RAM isn't enough for XGL stuff at all.  It requires atleast 512MB or more09:18
DarkWizzardthought so09:19
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DarkWizzardwell I think I need ram :)09:19
DarkWizzardstill better than vista could ever be09:19
DarkWizzardit needs 2 Gigs of ram to do half as XGL09:19
TFroghell, Vista stole their eye candy from linux09:19
DarkWizzardchecking if UIC has KDE plugins available... no09:19
DarkWizzardconfigure: error: you need to install kdelibs first.09:19
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DarkWizzardnot exactly09:20
DarkWizzardbut close09:20
DarkWizzardthere was a Sun project09:20
DarkWizzardproject open glass09:20
DarkWizzardthats the ideea of it all09:20
liamHi09:20
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DarkWizzardcan someone help me build this09:20
DarkWizzard?09:20
TFrogDarkWizzard, Dell is calling 2 gig the minimum to run Vista without all the eye candy so you're looking at 4 gig of ram with09:20
DarkWizzardwow09:20
DarkWizzardnew generation of mother boards comming09:20
DarkWizzard:D09:20
HawkwindNot hardly09:20
DarkWizzardhttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=4049209:20
DarkWizzardit wont compile09:21
HawkwindVista runs on 1GB of RAM without issues.09:21
DarkWizzardkeeps telling me I dont  have kdelibs installed09:21
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DarkWizzardand I need a nice theme09:21
DarkWizzardthis one suxx09:21
hollywoodbDarkWizzard: requirements for aiglx are lower than XGL, and its part of X.org, so you already have it... my intel 915 shared mem card runs aiglx great09:21
liamSorry about this really simple question, but how do I install ndiswrapper?  I've extracted the tar, but I don't know what to do next. =(09:21
TFrogi just won't run it.  within a couple of months i'll be windows free anyway09:21
DarkWizzardwhats the difference ?09:21
SeanTaterliam, you are supposed to install it from apt09:21
hollywoodbliam: ignore the tar and install it via package manager09:21
hollywoodbDarkWizzard: wikipedia knows09:21
SeanTaterliam, compiling from source is mostly unnecessary for ubuntu09:21
HawkwindDarkWizzard: kdelibs4-dev09:22
Hawkwind!ndiswrapper | liam09:22
ubotuliam: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs09:22
DarkWizzardkdelibs4-dev is already the newest version.09:22
marcook I have another question09:22
DarkWizzardstill the same error09:22
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HawkwindDarkWizzard: You have installed build-essential ?09:22
DarkWizzardyeah09:22
HawkwindDarkWizzard: Also make sure kdelibs is installed09:22
DarkWizzardof course09:22
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DarkWizzardit is09:22
Ace2016DarkWizzard: are you using kde 3.5.5? you could update to that via the repos09:22
DarkWizzardyes09:23
marcowhy my Adept list doesen't show an Firefox 2.0 or new version of other programs such as Ktorrent or anything?09:23
DarkWizzardI use kde 3.5.509:23
marcoI have to change something in my repositories?09:23
DarkWizzardand still keeps telling me that no kdelibs09:23
Hawkwindmarco: Because there is no firefox 2.0 for Dapper09:23
Ace2016can't you make the package reinstall?09:23
liamI don't have ndiswrapper in my Adept Manager.09:24
Hawkwind!info ndiswrapper09:24
ubotuPackage ndiswrapper does not exist in any distro I know09:24
marcowhat about the other programs like Ktorrent, Gaim (I'm using a version not mentioned in Adept)09:24
Ace2016in synaptic make kdelibs reinstall itself that might work09:24
TFrogliam if you're running dapper it's ndiswrapper-utils09:24
SoloSeKNoSeNadav09:24
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Hawkwindmarco: Have you enabled all of the sources like multiverse, universe and all the others ?09:24
smaggardHiyas109:24
marcoyes, of course09:24
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smaggardoops09:24
liamI'm not using the latest version... So so breezy, is it?09:24
smaggard! is what i meant09:24
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about is what i meant - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:24
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Ace2016! about myself09:25
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about about myself - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:25
smaggardanyone have LTSP running in kubuntu?09:25
TFrogliam, i would think it's still ndiswrapper-utils in breezy as well09:25
Ace2016! myself09:25
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about myself - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:25
Ace2016:P09:25
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liamI opened Adept Manager - Do I just search for ndiswrapper?  Sorry, this must be really tedious for you.09:25
ehirdhmm,09:25
aib_on EE, i ran `apt-get upgrade' and came back, and now my file system is set to read only. I can't even open firefox to google for the issue09:26
ehirdis there a way to test beryl on say a new session?09:26
TFrogyes you can do it that way liam09:26
smaggardliam> i think ndiswrapper comes automatically09:26
smaggardgo to a terminal and type sudo ndiswrapper09:26
Ace2016ehird: check the forums there are how tos there09:26
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Hawkwindehird: Everyone says it runs well on Edgy.  Try talking to the guys in #Beryl about it09:26
marcoehi anybody knows when Kubuntu 6.10.1 will get out?09:27
DarkWizzardYES09:27
DarkWizzardhttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=4092009:27
marcoI mean, a date when it will be released09:27
liamWhen I typed sudo, it didn't let me type a password. =/  I click keys, and they don't show09:27
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aib_does anyone know how your filesystem can get set to read only?09:27
liamsudo: ndiswrapper: not found. =(09:27
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HawkwindDarkWizzard: What's wrong with sudo apt-get install qtcurve ?09:27
smaggardhmm sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper09:28
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DarkWizzardyou mean09:28
smaggardthatll install it for ya09:28
aib_mount returns `/dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)'09:28
DarkWizzardthat exists09:28
DarkWizzardcool09:28
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marconono, I mean anybody knows when Kubuntu Edgy 6.10.1 will be released, I mean the full distro, not only the Desktop09:28
TFrogactually smaggard he needs to type sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils09:28
cigaaib_: on error09:28
binary2k2alib_: don't know why is's mounted r/o, try running "sudo mount / -o remount,rw"09:28
DarkWizzardthis suxx09:29
DarkWizzardI installed it and it won't apear in kcontrol > Appearence > Styles09:29
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DarkWizzardjust like the other ones09:29
DarkWizzardneighter does plastik09:29
DarkWizzardor anything normal09:29
smaggardah yes its ndiswrapper-utils09:30
smaggardi think..09:30
liamndiswrapper isn't installed on this, for some reason.  What wouldI do?09:30
aibahh that fixed it binary2k2 thanks09:30
TFrogi know smaggard i've run dapper on the compaq presario i'm typing this on.  laptop that is09:30
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liamIt's not in Adept, and sudo doesn't work.09:30
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TFroghmmmmmmmmm.09:30
smaggardi know too... running on hp zv6000, but its been 6 months since the install09:30
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liamI might just go back to Windows. =P09:31
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TFrogsmaggard, i'm on a Compaq R4125US running Edgy.  had to compile the ndiswrapper to get it working09:31
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smaggardsudo "doesnt work" wtf go back to microshaft09:31
liamAnd duel boot on my main PC until I learn more...09:31
aibbinary2k2, is it possible that a bad sector on the hard disk could cause the kernel to remount as ro if an application tries to write to that sector?09:31
aibit says errors=remount-ro09:31
liamI meant, sudo ndiswrapper doesn't work, as apparently it's not installed.09:32
dragonflysevenHello all. Is there an application that lets me rotate my display (because my monitor is tipped in a portrait way). Ideally, i would like to set up hotkeys to do this, so I could switch back and forth.09:32
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TFrogliam type "sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils"  it will install ndiswrapper on your system09:32
smaggardsudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils09:32
binary2k2alib_: the filesystem marks sectors it know are bas as, well, bad so nothing will try to write to it09:32
psfhelp09:32
psfplease09:32
cntbh3sp4wn: here ?09:32
cigaliam: I think you should run fsck on your root fs09:33
h3sp4wncntb: what09:33
cntbrestarted after install xen09:33
cntbwhat next ?09:33
dragonflysevenAnyone?09:33
psfhow to axigl/xgl in kubuntu09:33
bluch!unmount iso09:33
liamI typed what you said, TFrog, but it said09:33
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about unmount iso - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:33
h3sp4wncntb: rtfm09:33
liamliam@liam-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils09:33
liamE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)09:33
liamE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?09:33
h3sp4wncntb: you cannot expect to use xen without reading the manual09:34
liamOops, sorry.09:34
bluchhow can i unmount an iso image?09:34
cntbvery nice ty09:34
aibbinary2k2, everytime i try to `sudo apt-get upgrade' now this occurs :(09:34
TFroghmmmmmmmm09:34
cntbI will09:34
bluchi mounted it with mount -o loop etc09:34
h3sp4wncntb: except on fedora 609:34
cigaliam: sudo init 1, and then fsck09:34
cntbobviously will09:34
TFrogliam.  close adept and try running that command again09:34
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smaggardu cant have both running at the same time09:34
TFrogtoo late09:34
TFrogexactly smaggard09:34
marcois Edgy stable now?09:34
cntbFIY I am more than 22 yrs in computers so I am looking for hints not spoon feeding09:35
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marcomany people had problems using it09:35
TFrogmarco, i'm running Edgy on my laptop right now09:35
cntbnever mind09:35
dragonflysevenmacro: it seems fine to me. I am running on a laptop.09:35
binary2k2alib_: you could try booting in to the LiveCD and running "sudo fsck -a /dev/hda1" to chack it for errors09:35
TFrogi haven't had any stability issues yet09:35
TehUnii run 3 kde sessions at once (1 for each monitor). How can i make it so that each one acts the same (same kmenu, wallaper, panels, etc) ?09:35
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aibcheck out my var/log/messages: http://pastebin.ca/23798209:35
cntbh3 you must have enjoyed writing "rtfm"09:35
cntbI never do09:35
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h3sp4wncntb: I *almost* never do09:36
cntbbbl09:36
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TFrogsmaggard, does your HP have three settings in BIOS for video memory like my compaq?09:36
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smaggardso what does everyoe think of flash 9... pretty freakin sweet eh?09:36
smaggardyeah09:36
h3sp4wnciga: 22 years you should not need any hints the docs should be perfectly understandable09:36
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magical_trevskyanyone know if there will be a backport of amarok 1.4.4 to dapper?09:36
dragonflysevenflash 9 is awesome.09:36
TFrogsmaggard, are you running the proprietary ATI drivers?09:37
binary2k2alib_: you need to run the fsck command to force it to chech the disk for errors09:37
aibalright will do09:37
dragonflysevenIs there a GUI app that lets me configure monitor rotation?09:37
smaggardyeah it took a hellof a time tho09:37
TehUnibtw, if any of you guys were here yesterday when i was trying to get >4gigs ram working, i got it... in 32bit kubuntu. had to recompile the kernel with 64gigs ram support.09:37
binary2k2alib_: if it finds any they will be marked so nothing will use them09:37
smaggardi have the 200m09:37
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knappAm I the only one that feels the default Kubuntu window boarder looks slightly kinda terrible?09:37
smaggardTFrog> mlb.com does that09:37
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TFrogsmaggard, the only way i can run them is if i shut off the dedicated ram and use system ram which i think suxx09:38
smaggardcant stand it09:38
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TFrogsmaggard, there is more than that sight.  i get it at antec.com and other sights too09:38
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smaggardTFrog> and EASY way to get the ati drivers to work with sideport is to you version 8.24.8.... thats the last version before ATI broke it those bastards!!09:39
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smaggarduse**09:39
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dragonflysevenHow can I rotate my display 90 degrees?09:39
TFrogproblem is keeping them from trying to update when updating software09:39
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rdshello, may I ask a question in french?09:40
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smaggardhaha yeah, but they work09:40
TFrogjust have to reinstall after updates i guess.  that or hope ati fixes the sideport issue09:40
smaggardi think they eventually will09:40
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marcoehi09:40
smaggardmaybe maybe not09:41
marconow I have version 1.5 of firefox,how can I upgrade it?09:41
TFrogwell, this place, the forums and other linux distro's forums are complaining about that issue09:41
smaggardwhen they did that... i was extremely pissed heh09:41
smaggardyeah its not just this distro, its everybodys 200m and linux drivers that are broke09:41
TFrogyou're not the only one.  right now i can't get above 350fps with my laptop09:41
smaggardwe have been submitting support tickets and petitions for 6 months09:41
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TFrogi don't think it will be too much longer if they want to get our business.09:42
taylorhow do u prevent a package upgrade in kubuntu09:42
smaggardhow do you get glxgears to output the fps?09:42
TFrogespecially now that AMD bought them up09:42
rdsmy question is about the update from version 6.06 LTS to 6.1009:42
TFrogsmaggard, just open a terminal and type in glxgears -printfps09:42
smaggardi dont see how it could be a HUGE deal to fix it.. even if it is they still should fix it09:42
smaggardah thats the switch i couldnt remember!09:43
TFrogi agree09:43
TFrogdon't feel bad smaggard.  i forget that switch frequently myself09:43
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binary2k2rds: try the french kubuntu channel #kubutnu-fr09:43
smaggardsmaggard@smaggard-laptop:~$ glxgears -printfps09:43
smaggard5365 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1072.879 FPS09:43
smaggard5637 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1127.246 FPS09:43
smaggard5649 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1126.005 FPS09:43
smaggard5661 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1132.016 FPS09:43
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TFrogsweet.09:43
plhardy_often when i forget the switch i remain in dark !09:43
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TFroglol plhardy_09:44
smaggardyeah its ok09:44
tayloris there a file somewhere where I can say do upgrade a certain package past X.XX version09:44
rdsthank you for your tips binary2k2 ;)09:44
Ace2016seems the open office thing could be gtk related, lots of junk is spewing out of konsole: (process:7719): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: gtype.c:2240: initialization assertion failed, use IA__g_type_init() prior to this function09:44
taylordon't upgrade i mean09:44
TFrogheck i get better than that from my old desktop.  i get around 1500 out of an old ati radeon 7000ve card09:44
psfaixgl in kubuntu how to09:44
smaggardwith the newer drivers i would think it would get around 1250, but i wont complain too much for 110009:44
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plhardy_rds: !fr09:45
smaggardyeah the 200m definitely isnt a gaming chip lol09:45
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TFrogand the funny part is i'm using dri drivers too09:45
plhardy_!fr*09:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fr* - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:45
smaggardyeah dri is enabled here to09:45
smaggardtoo*09:45
_tonyI can't get my graphics card to install09:45
plhardy_!fr09:45
ubotuAllez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.09:45
TehUnibtw, if any of you guys were here yesterday when i was trying to get >4gigs ram working, i got it... in 32bit kubuntu. had to recompile the kernel with 64gigs ram support.09:45
plhardy_ah !09:46
TehUnioops, wrong paste heh09:46
TFrogsupposedly ati is working with dri for native drivers to work as well as the proprietary.  that will be years in the making09:46
smaggardlol TehUni> i told you to do that!09:46
smaggardi even found a support forum and everything for you to visit but nooo dont listen to me...09:46
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TehUnismaggard: someone told me to, must've been you. Then i came back later and asked how, and nobody would help. finally had to figure out how to do it on my own. Thanks for the suggestion though, it got me started09:47
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rdsmerci ubotu09:47
smaggardah yeah i think i left shortly after that09:47
smaggardsorry09:47
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smaggardTehUni> youll find out a LOT of times its faster to just look it up on the net and learn it yourself for next time :D09:47
TFrogsmaggard, you running so called native drivers on your laptop wireless or you using ndiswrapper?09:47
TehUnimaybe you can help me with my next question then.. i've tried looking09:47
der_steppenwolfhi, i have a question.09:48
taylordoes anyone know how to prevent a certain package from updating itself with apt?09:48
TehUnii run 3 kde sessions at once (1 for each monitor). How can i make it so that each one acts the same (same kmenu, wallaper, panels, etc) ?09:48
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der_steppenwolfHow can i install easily the last version of kde in kubuntu breezy badger?09:48
smaggarduhh the native drivers acted really screwy, so ndiswrapper to the rescue09:48
smaggardthe "native" would work for a few minutes really well, then just crap out09:48
TFrogyeah.  i have issues with speed and some shut downs with native.  had to compile the ndiswrapper from source to use the same drivers i was using in dapper.09:49
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smaggardand after my prior gentoo experience with this laptop, ndiswrapper was a breeze in ubuntu09:49
TFrogand that was only after the 1.27 release and finding another issue with it09:49
TFrogi haven't got time for using gentoo09:49
smaggardi cant remember if i compiled ndiswrapper myself or used kubuntus package.09:49
smaggardTFrog> ummm yeah thats what happened to me and gentoo after a year.. we had to breakup, she was controlling me lol09:50
TFroghave tried Fedora Core on here.  still sucked compared to ubuntu09:50
marcosomebody can help me have up-to-date repositories?09:50
smaggardFedora core was uninstalled about 5 mins after the install09:50
TFroglol09:50
smaggardim serious and i wasted like 4 cdrs on that pos09:50
TFrogi even tried Suse and now they are in bed with MS09:50
TFrogouch09:50
smaggardlol suse can go to hell now for all i care09:50
TFrogi downloaded the dvd version09:51
smaggardi used to like it09:51
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smaggardi should have but had no blank dvds :(09:51
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TFrogtoo much crap in suse for my taste09:51
smaggardwell, your right tho.. after that whole novell/suse thing iunno it seems to have fallen apart maybe??09:51
dhqfdoving: i went in a folder in /etc/ and a folder and did rm -r then by mistake i came back in to the etc dir and hit the same command accedently09:52
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dhqfdoving: what do i do to get my files back09:52
smaggarddhq> ouch!09:52
TFrogonly problem is i'm going to have to reconfigure the desktop for wireless soon.  all i got there is atheros and it might be a pain to setup from what i've read about the madwifi in ubuntu09:52
smaggardhow u werent root09:52
fdovingdhq: ouch. you can't easily.09:52
fdovingbackup.09:52
fdovingis the easiest way to get them back.09:52
dhqfdoving: no backup :'(09:52
Dr_Willisbummer09:52
fdovingit could be backed up by defaukt.09:52
smaggardur toast09:52
fdovingdefault.09:52
fdovinghang on.09:52
dhqfdoving: ok09:53
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binary2k2dhq: sorry mate :(09:53
dhqdont you people say that :'(09:53
smaggardim sort of pissed that i wasted my time with k12ltsp these past couple of days. its fedora core 5 and all the reasons i hated it have come back lol.09:53
fdovingdhq: you can get the most important files from /var/backups/09:53
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smaggardbrb09:54
dhqfdoving: what do i gotta do09:54
fdovingdhq: Re-install.09:54
Dr_Willisive never noticed a /var/backups  ...hmmm09:54
dhqfdoving: no other way i still some files remaning09:54
fdovingdhq: does the computer run fine? does it boot without complaining? Have you noticed anything that does not work?09:55
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dhqfdoving: sudo doesnt work09:55
dhqfdoving: i havent rebooted till now and am scared to do so09:55
binary2k2dhq: when you delete a file and are using ext3, the file is gone!09:55
Dr_Willislol09:55
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Dr_Willisgone, like a fifth of gin, gone, gone away....09:56
smaggardyay im back09:56
smaggardwhat did i miss?09:56
psffuck you09:57
fdovingdhq: try to backup your homefolder to a dvd or something.09:57
TFrogi don't know smaggard.  i was out too09:57
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dhqfdoving: i have no dvd09:57
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fdovingdhq: backup would be my first priority in that situation.09:57
dhq:'(09:57
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shadowhywindis there a way to mount a img?09:57
dhqwell is there a way to copy back all the etc files09:57
fdovingdhq: somehow make backups of your important files.09:57
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|lostbyte|dhq, yesm do as fdoving says.. and cross  your fingers and reboot. if important files are not missing. then you are fine.09:58
dhqfdoving: my hdd is over full09:58
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dhqelse09:58
fdovingdhq: do yo have a fast internet connection?09:58
dhqnope09:58
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binary2k2shadowhywind: what type of image?09:58
|lostbyte|dhq, yes you do..09:58
zorglu_some money to buy a new disk  ? :)09:58
smaggardiso?09:58
dhq|lostbyte|: i am on limited internet09:58
|lostbyte|dhq, 512kbps is fast :)09:58
shadowhywind.img09:59
|lostbyte|oh09:59
TFrog|lostbyte|, he might be on a download limit.09:59
fdovingyou can reinstall all packages. from ther internet, and install new /etc stuff from them. But it'll take a long time, and It does only work if apt-get works flawlessly.09:59
zorglu_dhq: no cd writter either ?09:59
smaggardmount -t iso file.img09:59
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dhqfdoving: i have the edgy cd why cant i do it from there09:59
dhqzorglu_: had a sony external its with a frient :(10:00
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smaggarderrr umm mount -t iso9660 yourimage.img10:00
TFrogsmaggard, while your at it, can you mount a cue/bin image in the same manner?10:00
shadowhywindcan it be done? or is there a simple way to convert the img to iso and mount the iso?10:00
binary2k2smaggard: you missed out the "-o loop"10:00
smaggardthats not all of it, thats the option you need10:01
zorglu_TFrog: there is a tool for that, 'dbunch' or some other weird name10:01
smaggardi also didnt put the target path10:01
binary2k2shadowhywind: what do you get if you type "file filename.img" filename.img being the image file10:01
TFrogty zorglu_.  i'll look into it10:01
fdovingdhq: the livecd?10:01
dhqfdoving: can it be done from the cd10:01
Hawkwindzorglu_: Surely you mean bchunk10:01
shadowhywindi havent tried it yet, do i also need to add a location like a moun point?10:01
zorglu_TFrog: Hawkwind: yeah :) bchunk is the name i was thinking about :)10:02
smaggardbchunk10:02
dhqfdoving: yes the live cd10:02
dhqsendmail: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameter default_privs: unknown user name value: nobody10:02
Hawkwind!info bchunk10:02
ubotubchunk: CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.0-1 (edgy), package size 12 kB, installed size 68 kB10:02
smaggardsudo apt-get install bchunk10:02
fdovingdhq: not sure, you can try to boot the livecd, and mount your root filesystem, then copy over the missing files. (compare the two /etc directories.)10:02
TFrogzorglu_, i just looked with adept.  it converts the image.  not mount it10:02
binary2k2shadowhywind: the command will be like "sudo mount image-file.img -t filesystem-type /mount/point -o loop"10:02
smaggardiunno how to mount a bin/cue never done it10:03
zorglu_TFrog: well 1, you convert, 2. you mount. it is not ok for you ?10:03
binary2k2shadowhywind: but you need the filesystem, if it's a CD image use: iso966010:03
dhqfdoving: well its woth a try  wish me all the best10:03
fdovingdhq: I can not guarantee it'll work though. good luck.10:03
dhq|lostbyte|: keep your fingers crossed10:03
fdovingdhq: you can get online from the livecd right?10:04
smaggardyupp10:04
smaggardof course!10:04
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dhqfdoving: yes10:04
TFrogsmaggard, it's ok.  i gotta do it on the desktop.  i'm dual booting there.  got a reason for it so i guess i'll have to use Winbloze and Alcohol 12010:04
dhqmy fstab is gone10:04
fdovingdhq: ouch. copy the mtab.10:04
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shadowhywindi canged it to iso9660  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, dmesg says  Unable to identify CD-ROM format.10:05
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binary2k2shadowhywind: what is the image from?10:05
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shadowhywindits from a cd that i copied in windows10:06
max_is there anyway to mount as iso to a virtual drive in kde?10:06
dhqfdoving: mtab from where10:06
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fdovingdhq: /etc/mtab is that gone too?10:06
binary2k2shadowhywind: try with the filesystem-type as auto??10:06
dhqfdoving: :(10:07
dhqfdoving: yes10:07
smaggardbrb10:07
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shadowhywindauto said that you must specify the filesystemtype10:07
fdovingdhq: ok, 'cat /proc/mounts > /etc/fstab'10:08
max_is there anyway to mount as iso to a virtual drive in kde?10:08
dhqfdoving: dhq@dhq-laptop:/etc$ sudo cat /proc/mounts > /etc/fstab bash: /etc/fstab: Permission denied10:08
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binary2k2shadowhywind: windows (or the software you used) has done something strange to the image then10:09
fdovingdhq: 'sudo -i'10:09
fdovingdhq: that'll give you a permanent root shell.10:09
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shadowhywindyah, thanks for the help, i might switch back over and make it an iso10:09
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binary2k2shadowhywind: if you get the iso then yo'll find it much easier10:09
|lostbyte|dhq, :)10:09
|lostbyte|dhq, get online on it and come back.10:09
|lostbyte|dhq, /etc/10:09
|lostbyte|:- o10:09
|lostbyte|bummer.10:10
dhqfdoving: dhq@dhq-laptop:/etc$ sudo -i sudo: uid 1000 does not exist in the passwd file! sendmail: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameter default_privs: unknown user name value: nobody10:10
shadowhywindyup, hehe10:10
fdoving|lostbyte|: rebooting is not smart,  if you've lost your fstab.10:10
fdovingdhq: ah, bummer.10:10
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|lostbyte|fdoving, i didt know he was missing it.10:10
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dhq|lostbyte|: thats y i am not rebootin10:10
dhq:(10:10
fdovingdhq: ok, 'cat /proc/mounts > ~/mounts'10:11
fdovingdhq: then you have it in your homedir if you need it.10:11
fdovingthe information is usefull for rebuilding your fstab from the livecd.10:11
dhqfdoving: now what do i do10:11
fdovingdhq: reboot to the livecd.10:12
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dhqfdoving: |lostbyte| brb :(10:12
|lostbyte|dhq, k10:13
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letalisdoes anyone know of any good howtos regarding getting audio to workon a tv card using the bt878 chipsets?10:15
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letalismy radio tuner works10:15
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letalisbut for some reason after upgrading to edgy the tv tuner audio is shot10:15
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MetaMorfoziS!cryptsetup10:20
ubotucryptsetup: configures encrypted block devices. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:1.0.3-3ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 244 kB, installed size 704 kB10:20
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der_steppenwolfIs it appropiate to install kde 2.5.5 dapper into a kubuntu breezy badger?10:25
der_steppenwolfkde 3.5.5 sorry10:25
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zorglu_!info klyx10:26
ubotuPackage klyx does not exist in any distro I know10:26
raghello how are you10:26
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ragplease somebody use katapult on edgy 6.10 ?10:27
mono01how install klyx???10:27
zorglu_i dunno :)10:27
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ragi install other laptop with kubuntu for a friend but katapult not works10:27
ragi press alt + space but nothing10:27
ragkatapult not appear me10:28
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Dr_Willis!find klys10:29
Dr_Willis!find klyx10:29
Dr_Willisoops10:29
ubotuPackage/file klys does not exist in edgy10:29
ubotuPackage/file klyx does not exist in edgy10:29
Dr_Willisthats the tex wysiwyg editor?10:30
zorglu_Dr_Willis: yep10:31
Dr_Willisdouble checkthename. ;010:31
zorglu_i need something to edit some text10:31
Dr_Willistheres dozens of text editors out.  and several word processors...10:31
zorglu_well i need like a word processor10:32
Dr_Willisof course TeX lets ya make awsome docs with simple ascii editors.10:32
Dr_Willisnot sure how 'wordprocessor'ish tht tool is.10:32
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zorglu_nothing fancy, typically like a research paper10:32
Dr_Willisi tend to use abiword.10:32
Dr_Willisbut my needs are minimal.10:32
zorglu_there is 'word' in it... maybe it is me but it mean like 'doesnt work' :)10:32
zorglu_especially with the saved format10:33
Dr_Willisi used vi and tex ages  ago. in college.10:33
Dr_Willison a serial terminal even10:33
h3sp4wnI have used emacs with latex (emacs has a tex mode)10:33
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Dr_Willismodes! bah! heh heh...10:34
zorglu_yep latex is good for that, you can have the data even if the main software is no more10:34
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Dr_Willisi even had a tex/latex setup to generate D&D character sheets.. ;)10:34
zorglu_:)10:34
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jeramehSo there are no ops or anything?10:35
Dr_Willisit would ask the stats and soforth.. you type them in... it would make a nice sheet...10:35
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Dr_Willisthey are undercover. ;0 jerameh10:35
zorglu_!info lyx-qt10:35
ubotulyx-qt: High Level Word Processor - Qt frontend. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.2-4 (edgy), package size 2051 kB, installed size 6592 kB10:35
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zorglu_maybe this one will do :)10:35
Dr_Willis!info lyx10:35
ubotulyx: High Level Word Processor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.2-4 (edgy), package size 478 kB, installed size 1444 kB10:35
Dr_Willisheh10:35
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Dr_Willisyou sure thats not what you were looking forin the first place.. ;010:35
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zorglu_dunno i will try them10:36
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jeramehdoes anyone have some links to some linux tutorials? I'm a total noob, wanted to make the switch, am now torrenting kubuntu (I've tried gnome before, didnt' like it) and want to learn as much as I can. Don't be afraid that you'll explode my brain, I'm pretty savvy.10:36
DralaFilyx is a high level word processor? wtf10:36
obf213im having problems with packages10:36
DralaFiisn't it just a LaTeX processor?10:36
obf213when i open adept it says something else is using the the pacakgaes10:36
obf213and then i cant use the apt-get in console either10:36
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obf213even after reboot and login. it still says something is using packages10:37
h3sp4wnDr_Willis: The command completion in the tex emacs mode is useful (I cannot remember them by heart)10:37
zorglu_DralaFi: well latex may match de definition of 'word processor' too :)10:37
obf213and apt-get says dpkg was interrupted10:37
georgebobf213: it might be adept-updater10:37
zorglu_!adept fixes10:38
ubotuadept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB10:38
obf213i dont know10:38
zorglu_!adept crash fix10:38
ubotuIf adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'10:38
obf213can anyoen tell me whts tying up my packages10:38
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zorglu_obf213: try the above10:38
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obf213ok10:38
zorglu_Creating config file /etc/texmf/fmt.d/01tetex.cnf with new version10:39
zorglu_Running fmtutil-sys. This may take some time. ..10:39
zorglu_maouaou tex is always tex :)10:39
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obf213zorglu thanks10:40
obf213some mythtv thing was locking it up i guess10:40
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zorglu_obf213: it worked ?10:40
obf213yeqh10:40
zorglu_cool10:40
obf213is the new firefox out10:40
zorglu_!kbuildsyscoca10:41
ubotuIf your kmenu is out of date, like after installing an application and not founding it in kmenu, you should type "kbuildsyscoca" in a terminal to update it. It will rebuild the kde configuration cache.10:41
zorglu_obf213: likely10:41
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zorglu_hmm typo in the factoid :)10:42
Dr_Willisfirefox2 has been out for what 2 weeks?10:42
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dhqfdoving: hello10:43
dhqfdoving: how do i add a sudo user10:43
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zorglu_Dr_Willis: lyx-qt seems to work10:43
__osh__fdoving: adduser then /etc/sudoers10:43
__osh__fdoving: edit /etc/sudoers I mean.10:43
dhq__osh__: and10:44
firegirlim going to go jump on the trampoline10:44
firegirlhave fun10:44
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__osh__dhq: My bad. Just add the user to the group admin in /etc/group10:45
LinvxerAlgum Brasileiro Aqui?10:45
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__osh__!br10:45
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.10:45
klerfaythow to open tcp 6339 port?10:45
dhq__osh__: well i cant do any sudo10:46
DralaFiklerfayt, run something on that port that listens to incoming connections10:46
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__osh__dhq: boot from a live-cd and mount your disk that way. then you'll be able to do it. =)10:46
zorglu_!bugs10:46
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots10:46
klerfaytDralaFi: what?10:46
dhqfdoving: you there10:47
klerfaytDralaFi: I'm using port 6339 port in ktorrent10:47
DralaFiklerfayt, then its all ok10:47
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klerfaytDralaFi: wasn't ubuntu like without any open ports?10:48
klerfaytwhat is good port range torrents anyway?10:48
DralaFiklerfayt, What are you talking about?10:51
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klerfaytDralaFi: I'm sure I read somewhere that ubuntu comes with no open ports10:52
ehirdwhy cant i install mysql via apt-get10:53
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linuxbaldialgum falante pt-br?10:53
DralaFiklerfayt, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_port10:53
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klerfaytDralaFi: I see it best if my ports are closed?10:55
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hollywoodbklerfayt: is best if your ports are stealthed if you're actually worried.  google for 'shields up', they have a decent portscanner10:56
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Bubba_Gump:)10:57
DralaFiisn't shields up run by some maniac guy that keeps spitting out insecurity theories, only to be debunked by security experts?10:57
klerfaytI'm not worried; does kubuntu come with closed or open ports?10:57
hollywoodbDralaFi: hah, I have no idea, but the portscan interface there is nice10:57
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DralaFiklerfayt, both open and closed ports10:58
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binary2k2klerfayt: kubuntu == ubuntu with KDE10:58
klerfaythow can it be both at the same time?10:58
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hollywoodbvoodoo10:59
DralaFihollywoodb, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Gibson10:59
klerfaytwhat for do we need th firewall then if ports are closed and open thanks to voodoo?11:00
DralaFiklerfayt, because that's how internet connectivity works. you have open and closed ports. It's all natural.11:00
fdovingdhq: yes, sorry the delay. kid was going to bed.11:01
DralaFiklerfayt, you need to go urgently to google.com and read up on TCP/IP and other network technologies.11:01
binary2k2klerfayt: if a port is open, it's accepting connections, if it's closed, it denys connection. If it's stealthed it just won't respond11:01
|lostbyte|fdoving, he lost his root preveledge over his current user which was persent in sudo ..11:02
DralaFiafaik to properly stealth, you need to respond with an ICMP telling the host that the port was unreachable11:03
hollywoodbDralaFi: hehe, that's entertaining ;) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/25/steve_gibson_invents_broken_syncookies/11:03
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Zambouliei'm trying to run automatix but it says dpkg is already runnin11:04
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klerfaytwhat is firewall doing then? if ports are closed and open then needed?11:04
Hawkwind!automatix | Zamboulie11:04
ubotuZamboulie: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.11:04
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binary2k2DralaFi: no, if you resopnd with ICMP, then the peoson connecting knows that your IP is live11:04
DralaFihollywoodb, lol11:04
binary2k2person*11:04
fdoving|lostbyte|: did he boot from the livecd and become root, mount the installed system, copy passwd and shadow back, from /var/backups and rebuild /etc/sudoers ?11:05
DralaFibinary2k2, true. But then you can't respond to ICMP-Echo_Request either11:05
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Zambouliemhmm11:06
smaggardhello again :D11:06
DralaFiand if you have any servers running, you'd have to restrict them to a subset of hosts or something11:06
dhqfdoving: now i copied all the files copies the fstab and am back on edgy11:06
Zambouliei've tried doing sudo killall dpkg11:06
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Zambouliebut it still says it11:06
dhqfdoving: problem is now i cant sudo11:06
binary2k2DralaFi: yep, and most firewalls block ICMP echo requests11:06
fdovingdhq: did it boot fine?11:06
dhqyes11:06
fdovingdhq: good. very good.11:07
dhqsome lock files with the var error othere than that all fine11:07
fdovingdhq: reboot, and select recovery mode in grub.11:07
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dhqfdoving: and then11:07
fdovingdhq: then run 'visudo'11:08
DralaFibinary2k2, iptables doesn't unless you tell it to :) but then icmp is good and useful. Remember, Security through obscurity is not useful at all, and someone that wants to target you can probably just intercept your tcp communication to other hosts and see that you are indeed there.11:08
fdovingdhq: then.. input..11:08
hollywoodbDralaFi: well if Gibson's amazing insight into security ever fails him maybe he can team up with the time cube guy11:08
dhqbrb after recovery11:08
dhqfdoving: brb11:08
|lostbyte|dhq, wait..11:08
fdovingehm..11:08
cI have just reinstalled my laptop from dapper to Edgy.  I have kept the original home directory intact (and it is also still mounted as home).  I have also made a copy of both the old /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow.  Now how can I make these users being able to login and access to home directories?11:08
|lostbyte|opps..11:08
fdovingwell.. that won't help him much.11:08
DralaFihollywoodb, time cube? I've not heard of that before.11:09
georgebfdoving: but what happend to him ? messed up /etc/sudoers or just lost the "admin" user ?11:09
|lostbyte|fdoving, :) he will be backk ..11:09
hollywoodbDralaFi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_cube  and http://www.timecube.com/   good stuff ;)11:09
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fdovinggeorgeb: deleted /etc/sudoers by mistake.11:09
binary2k2DralaFi: you have to find a host to target first, if your system dosen't reply at all, then they dont know if you are blocking the ports or off-line. so they just find a more vunerable host to target11:10
georgebfdoving: ouch11:10
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fdoving|lostbyte|: if i'm not here when he comes back, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30219/ is a minimal /etc/sudoers file. FYI.11:10
fdovinggeorgeb: not as bad as it sounds :)11:10
georgebfdoving: then maybe he'd better setup a password for root; boot up with the regular user; the su to root, paste /etc/sudoers and passwd -d root :)11:11
DralaFibinary2k2, agreed. But it might be possible to monitor all traffic (with promisc turned on) and construct a list of connections across a link, and then taget each one. Though I imagine this will be no trivial task.11:11
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georgebfdoving: I think this is easier than visudo, press input, now write:....... ... ... ..... .... :)11:12
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fdovinggeorgeb: or just reboot to recovery mode, run visudo and write in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30219/11:12
|lostbyte|fdoving, fine..11:12
fdovinggeorgeb: you can use links/lynx and gpm from recovery mode.11:12
dhq12fdoving: i did the recovery mode now11:12
binary2k2DralaFi: exacty, a cracker will, more often than not, just scan a subnet and look for the vunerable ones11:12
dhq12what did you say something bout visudo11:12
|lostbyte|lol11:13
georgeb:))11:13
|lostbyte|dhq12, go here.. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30219/11:13
fdovingdhq12: are you in recovery mode now?11:13
DralaFihollywoodb, very interesting, but the site's hard to read with the fonts and sizes11:13
dhq12fdoving: yes11:13
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|lostbyte|dhq12, go back to recovery mode. do visudo and make sur eyou have those lines in it.11:13
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DralaFibinary2k2, I guess it's far quicker to just target windows machines that will probably be more insecure and more likely to get them a few more hosts in their botnet (botnets seem to be a big thing lately :( )11:14
Acc\DenyHi, I boot my system with Kubuntu and it seems its continously doing something with the HDD, WHY? I thought it was supposed to boot into LIVE mode.... I have 6.06 LTS.11:14
georgebfdoving: sorry.. never been in recovery mode in ubuntu; I thought that it's the usual single mode with no X, no networking, etc11:14
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astronautequake 4 on gentoo amd64 ?? please query me (can't toggle console !)11:15
dudanogueiraplease, im recording the klettres pt-br sounds, and would like to know where klettres store this data for testing my own recordings... how to discover where it is?11:15
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binary2k2DralaFi: you'd be surprised how many windows users have open SMB shares, used to be fun to see what people had in them (when I was youger :> )11:16
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Acc\DenyFurther I am facing the classic "Linux Intel 845 X.org Syndrome" :). Please have a look at my problem-description on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30220/11:16
DralaFibinary2k2, of course. And I heard that that's the fastest way viruses spread at university.11:17
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ParkotronDralaFi: Very true. Back when I lived in residence the network was a cesspool of infection.11:18
binary2k2DralaFi: I remember reading a sevurity thing a while back. A freshly installed windows system was put on the internet, and before the updates even installed it was full of viruses and wormes11:18
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DralaFiParkotron, luckily I never got hit, as I was running linux at the time.11:19
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DralaFibinary2k2, wasn't it like 5 minites on the internet and you'd get infected?11:19
morghanphoenixAybody know why my speakers would put out a really obnoxious buzzing noise when I'm trying to watch a movie?11:19
binary2k2DralaFi: something like that. Just another reason to go with linux11:20
ParkotronDralaFi: I was was running Windows at the time, but you could stay clean easily enough if you knew what you were doing. Like, for example, installing a virus scanner. :)11:20
georgebbinary2k2: about 1.5 years ago I installed WinXP on a computer, I plugged the network in to do the updates, and after 2 minutes (the windows update site didn't load yet) it was infected, you know.. that nice pop-up saying that the computer will shutdown in 60 seconds; I downloaded the fixes, put them on one of my server, booted windows, and in 60 seconds I had to donwload and install them;  :)11:21
ehird... since when did gtk2 apps intergrate seamlessly with kde?!11:21
ehirdAWESOME!11:21
DralaFiAcc\Deny, http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html those drivers?11:21
zorglu_yep lyx is still very good to write text rapidely :)11:21
Acc\DenyDralaFi: Yep.11:22
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binary2k2DralaFi: speeking of viruses, I have 1 win PC in the house (for the people who are dumb), and I have to shell out like 40 to renew the virus subscription now :(11:22
dhq123fdoving: the options were the same11:22
DralaFiParkotron, well I'm getting increasingly suspicious that anti-virus companies actually create new virii and add holes in their software/windows specifically so that they can conviniently find a cure and release a new product upgrade...11:23
fdovingdhq123: they were already there?11:23
dhq123fdoving: yes11:23
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DralaFiehird, they do? :O cool11:23
Dr_Willisbinary2k2:  i like that avg antivurus tools.. its free for the  unsupported version11:23
linuxbaldiAlo algum pt-br a11:23
georgebDralaFi: I remember that in the 90s there was a rumor saying that McAfee was responsible for about 10% of the virii in the wild :)11:24
fdovingdhq123: ok, what is the output of 'id username' where username is your login name?11:24
Hawkwind!pt | linuxbaldi11:24
ubotulinuxbaldi: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.11:24
DralaFigeorgeb, how else would they stay in business? :/11:24
ehirdDralaFi: do for me11:24
ehirdsame menu styles, icons look good too - antialiasing settings used11:24
ehirdat least, MySQL Administrator is a GTK app last time i checked11:24
binary2k2DralaFi: I have that norton AV internet security thing on it, with the AV scanner, firewall, anti-spam ...11:25
dhq123fdoving: dint get you11:25
fdovingdhq123: is your login name 'dhq' ?11:25
binary2k2DralaFi: not like I really trust any of it11:25
dhq123yes11:25
fdovingdhq123: 'id dhq' what does that output?11:25
dhq123uid 10011:25
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DralaFibinary2k2, i think i have that too. damn thing's annoying. Have to disable firewall so i can ping my linux box to be sure the ethernet link is active11:25
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fdovingdhq123: that's all?11:26
dhq123gid 1000(dhq)11:26
georgebDralaFi: also, I know that one big AV company appeared because the "chief engineer" was a virii writer; but he had some problems, the goal of writing good virii was to make it unrecognizable by the AVs, and his computer was pretty much infected with his own virii, so he created a basic AV to remove his own virii, and further developed his AV :)11:26
slow-motionn811:26
dhq123groups=1000(dhq11:26
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dhq123fdoving: what do i do now11:27
dhq123groups=1000(dhq)11:27
dhq123gid 1000(dhq)11:27
DralaFigeorgeb, that sounds cool. I bet he learned a lot in the process.11:27
fdovingdhq123: uid=1000(dhq) gid=1000(dhq) groups=1000(dhq) ?11:27
dhq123fdoving: yes11:27
Parkotronhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/23/spamthru_trojan/ < Most innovative malware technique I've seen in a while.11:28
binary2k2DralaFi: I don't really need the firewall on it, as it's behind a nat and has no ports faceing the internet. but as soon as you try to disable it on my win box it starts saying "Your computer is at risk! you have no firewall active"11:28
spowellHello11:28
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DralaFibinary2k2, yes windows likes to spam. It keeps spamming me with bubble messages in the task bar that my wifi is disconnected.11:29
fdovingdhq123: ok, run this command: 'for groups in `echo cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin`;do adduser dhq $groups;done'11:29
binary2k2DralaFi: and that windows firewall is a piece of C**P!11:29
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h3sp4wnDralaFi: The chances are it actually is disconnected (just reconnecting very fast) you can disable the continuous scanning to stop that11:29
zorglu_Parkotron: hehe they start to be serious :)11:30
dhq123fdoving: then11:30
binary2k2DralaFi: and when you installed updates and have to restart, you click "restart later", 2 mins later it asks again! i'm like "f$%k off will you"11:30
binary2k2DralaFi: it's just so easy to get in to a rant about windows :P11:30
DralaFibinary2k2, doesn't the windows firewall only block incoming connections, but can happily spread malware out?11:31
fdovingdhq123: then run 'id dhq' again.11:31
DralaFih3sp4wn, no, it's turned off with the RF kill switch. Just if i exit a game it will pop up, as if to 'kindly' let me know...11:31
binary2k2DralaFi: it wont even block all incomeing connections by default, some "system services" will have full access11:31
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dhq123fdoving: uid=1000(dhq) gid=1000(dhq) groups=1000(dhq),24(cdrom),25(floppy              ideo),46(plugdev),109(lpadmin),111(scanner),113(admin)11:32
zorglu_binary2k2: oh btw what the port port open by default on ubunut ? :)11:32
DralaFibinary2k2, lol yeah, easy to rant about windows.11:32
h3sp4wnDralaFi: Must be poor quality hardware or drivers then11:32
zorglu_binary2k2: not that easy to rant :)11:32
fdovingdhq123: good. then try to 'su dhq' and run 'sudo' to see if it works.11:32
DralaFih3sp4wn, possible, though I'm blaming win xp home11:33
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fdovingdhq123: run 'sudo -i' or 'sudo id' or something.. just to check.11:33
binary2k2DralaFi: ubuntu has no open ports on the default install11:33
binary2k2DralaFi: you start install services, then some open11:33
dhq123fdoving: i dont have to enter a password now11:33
zorglu_binary2k2: hue ? last time i looked, aka on dapper, it is more they are ALL open11:33
DralaFibinary2k2, because it doean't start any servers, I imagine.11:33
fdovingdhq123: ok, but you're not denied? then you can reboot to the real system.11:34
dhq123fdoving: thanx a million :)11:34
binary2k2zorglu_: how can ALL your ports be open?11:34
binary2k2DralaFi: that's right, no network services anyway11:34
h3sp4wnpf is a much more powerful firewall than iptables if you are into that type of thing11:35
DralaFibinary2k2, sshd is indespensible though :)11:35
zorglu_binary2k2: well simply, you dont block any, as pre sp2 window or dapper, and likly edgy11:35
h3sp4wnDralaFi: So you have sshd only bound to the internal interface11:35
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h3sp4wnDralaFi: Or only use key based auth11:36
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DralaFiit's better not to block if you don't run anything on the port. Imagine all the netfilter chain checking the kernel has to do *per packet* if you have most of the ports blocked?11:36
binary2k2DralaFi: i use sshd, but have it set to only alow connections from my LAN, you can also set it up in iptables to only open the port when you "knock" on another port first11:36
zorglu_mouaoua ok :)11:37
aibI rebooted after a small update and now get two error messages: "Error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy" and "Could not open default font fixed". i've read about others with this problem but no solution. X will not start.11:37
DralaFibinary2k2, heard of port knocking, though not seen or looked for any sortware to do that just yet.11:37
zorglu_security is hard :)11:37
h3sp4wnDralaFi: Or use a firewall (i.e pf) where the default policy can be deny with only specific things that are allowed11:37
binary2k2zorglu_: unless a service is running on a port, it's closed11:37
zorglu_port knowcking is no more secure that plain password guys :)11:37
DralaFih3sp4wn, whatever's the default for sshd. User/pass authentication, not the ssh host key auth.11:37
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DralaFizorglu_, that is true :)11:38
DralaFion both counts11:38
h3sp4wnOr use a vpn11:38
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zorglu_well as it is part of my job to break protocol, i have some knowledge about this :)11:39
zorglu_not one that i broke :)11:39
zorglu_tinc11:39
zorglu_and what was the others11:39
ehirdi like deny by default firewalls11:39
ehirdfar more secure than anything else11:39
binary2k2in the example i saw, the guy had it set up that you knock on port 21 top open 22, but if you scan port 21 then 22, then 23, it closes again11:39
zorglu_ah yeah, not vtun either :)11:39
zorglu_binary2k2: simply use telnet, it is as secure :)11:40
zorglu_binary2k2: i guess you dont believe me when i tell you that :)11:40
binary2k2zorglu_: telnet is secure as ssh?11:40
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zorglu_nope as port knocking11:40
binary2k2zorglu_: no i dont :P11:40
zorglu_well you should :)11:41
zorglu_ok am off, have fun.11:41
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zorglu_btw dont forget to do your own crypto, crypto is simple too :)11:41
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binary2k2zorglu_: if you need, ssh over external net, then get good pass :P11:41
DralaFibetter wouls be to make a 10 part port knock. ie. to open port 21, you need to knock on 44332 then 12052, then 62234, then 23423, then .......11:41
dhqfdoving: am back all seems fine11:41
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binary2k2DralaFi: that is a better idea, yes11:42
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fdovingdhq: nice, tell me if you experience problems. :)11:42
h3sp4wnOr just use openbsd - I can't see how anyone paranoid about security would use anything else11:42
h3sp4wn(that is free)11:42
dhqfdoving: just that all the stuff i had in apache2 mysql all those files are nothere11:42
fdovingthe configs?11:43
DralaFih3sp4wn, can't you just port openbsd software to linux and then have a rock-solid secure linux?11:43
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binary2k2there is only 1 was to be totaly secure, turn the system off :P11:43
binary2k2and then burn the HDD11:43
DralaFibinary2k2, cut the network cable11:44
h3sp4wnDralaFi: No11:44
DralaFi:11:44
DralaFi:)11:44
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h3sp4wnDralaFi: You can port parts of it (with some work) - but the firewall is streets ahead of iptables11:44
h3sp4wnDralaFi: And as yet not ported11:45
DralaFiAcc\Deny, can't you just boot kde on a very small resolution, do your apt stuff and then have i915resolution at the rest of the stuff?11:45
h3sp4wnDralaFi: isakmpd is ported (and is better than open/free swan11:45
jeff_hello all, I just installed kubuntu on my desktop machine.  Looks pretty cool so far.  I've got pclinuxos on my laptop and really like it.  My question is:  Does Kubuntu have a program that will allow you to pick, download, and install programs automatically like synaptic in pclinuxos?11:46
DralaFih3sp4wn, ahh. I don't really know much about openbsd, except it's run bt Theo and is supposed to be very secure.11:46
cntbhey guys how do I update locate db ?11:46
h3sp4wnDralaFi: you could use selinux11:46
h3sp4wn!selinux11:46
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about selinux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:46
binary2k2jeff_: kubuntu uses Adept as the package manager11:46
fdovingjeff_: there is 'kmenu -> system -> adept manager' - you can also install synaptic if you prefer it.11:46
h3sp4wnDralaFi: or basilisk or whatever its called11:46
binary2k2jeff_: but use that to install synaptic :P11:46
DralaFih3sp4wn, if you wanted to restrict your machine that much, you could use selinux11:46
TheGateKeeperjeff_: apt-get install synaptic11:46
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georgebbinary2k2: a post I saw some time ago was something like: "the most secure computer is one that is not connected to Internet; this is way I recomend Telia"(or replace Telia with your "favourite" ISP)11:47
jeff_ok, thanks, ill check it out11:47
DralaFiit's all a compromise between security and useability11:47
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binary2k2have you seen those M$ adds where they say "we see security... we see protection"? wee see bull sh**11:49
h3sp4wnYou can go to insane lengths (hardware write protected scsi disks for / and /usr) everything mounted noexec, nosuid except / and /usr11:50
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h3sp4wnBut 99.5% of time or more unless you are interested in doing it (to see how to do it) its a waste of time11:51
jeff_I was wondering if you could install upgraded printer drivers, or update the program the manages the printers.  I went to add a printer that is on my home network on a windows coputer.  I can see the printer on the network but the proper driver isn't listed.11:52
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jeff_I have yet to get a printer working under linux.  But kubuntu has came the closest.  If I try an alternate driver I do get some response from the printer but no print.  If I just had the right driver.11:55
Zamboulie!mp311:55
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats11:55
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h3sp4wnjeff_: You can install services for unix onto windows (make it look like a lpd printer)11:56
h3sp4wnjeff_: print services for unix sorry11:56
smaggardhi again11:56
smaggardthe master is back :D11:56
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jeff_thanks, h3, where can i find more info on that?11:57
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Bubba_Gumpwhats a good firewall app?11:59
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jordi_anybody knows the GPG key for the Opera repo?12:00
binary2k2I use firestarter12:00
HymnToLife!firewall12:00
ubotuUbuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).12:00
h3sp4wnjeff_: microsoft technet maybe (its for windows - maybe try ##windows - I am sure that is something they will know more about)12:01
atticstormAll, is there a good tool out there to convert large PDF files down smaller, or to convert them to something like a PNG file or HTML?  Thanks.12:01
der_steppenwolfhi, how can i update kubuntu breezy badger with kde 3.5.5 ?12:01
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binary2k2jordi_: you can get it from the canonical commersial repo12:01
h3sp4wnder_steppenwolf: you need to upgrade breezy to dapper first12:01
Bubba_Gumpdownload the dvd torrent12:02
h3sp4wnder_steppenwolf: or breezy - dapper - edgy (its in edgy by default)12:02
der_steppenwolfthat means i should download or get the whole dapper CD?12:02
Bubba_Gumpget the edgy or dapper cd yeah12:02
h3sp4wnder_steppenwolf: there are packages for dapper (on kubuntu.org) - or edgy has it by default - your choice12:03
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der_steppenwolfthat's angry...12:03
der_steppenwolfUpdating is much more easy with gentoo :-(12:03
binary2k2der_steppenwolf: you don't need the CD/DVD to upgrade12:04
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der_steppenwolfthere are packages for dapper, but i have tried and they are not compatible, are they?12:04
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h3sp4wnNo12:04
der_steppenwolfso, should i update the whole /etc/apt/sources.list ?12:05
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binary2k2der_steppenwolf: just change "dapper" to "breezy" or "edgy" in the sources.list depending on if you want dapper or edgy12:05
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der_steppenwolfok, thanks12:06
h3sp4wnbreezy -> edgy would be not straightforward12:06
h3sp4wnbreezy -> dapper -> edgy theoretically should work12:06
binary2k2yeah, that's probably the best way12:07
killermach__anyone know where to find info on how to install kubuntu via network?12:07
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vanhurckhow u mean network12:07
oLLi9osalve a tutti!12:07
vanhurckyou can easely download it from the net12:07
h3sp4wnkillermach__: what you mean debian installer where you ssh in ? maybe it would be possible12:07
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georgebatticstorm: package pdftohtml : Translates pdf files into HTML or XML formats, combined with png images. But I don't know if it works with all pdfs12:08
oLLi9oc' nessuno che parli italiano?12:08
h3sp4wnkillermach__: Look at the debian docs and try to make your own debian installer image maybe you can12:08
oLLi9ocan anyone help me?12:09
dbgltis there a ubuntu package for libgpod-0.4?12:09
atticstormgeorgeb: Thanks I will apt-get and give it a try.12:09
binary2k2!it12:09
ubotuVai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!12:09
oLLi9oGrazie mille!12:09
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killermach__I have the iso's I could could mount w/ -o loop on the samba server then access them, just need an install to run from knoppix boot or such12:10
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