[12:13] <Delphinus> DralaFi: in the konsole, type ifconfig and see if you card has an ip address  (look for eth0)
[12:14] <Acc\Deny> anyone who has experience installation problems with 6.06 LTS on the Intel 845 display chipset?
[12:14] <Acc\Deny> experienced*
[12:14] <DralaFi> Delphinus, yes, I assigned it to 192.168.2.55
[12:14] <Delphinus> can you ping anything else? the internet etc?
[12:14] <Delphinus> router?
[12:15] <DralaFi> Delphinus,  desktop <----> laptop  crossover ethernet
[12:15] <Lars_G> What was the xgl WM someone mentioned in here not long ago?
[12:15] <Lars_G> DralaFi: If he has firewire, it's tons of times more efficient than a crossover ethernet
[12:15] <Delphinus> whats the IP of your laptop and your desktop?
[12:16] <DralaFi> Lars_G, don't have firewire
[12:16] <Lars_G> ok
[12:16] <Lars_G> Gah what was the name of the wm!!!
[12:16] <DralaFi> Delphinus, desktop 192.168.2.46  laptop 192.168.2.55
[12:16] <Lars_G> !xgl
[12:16] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[12:16] <Delphinus> so you cant ping either way?
[12:16] <DralaFi> Delphinus, correct
[12:17] <Delphinus> sounds like a config error... check subnet masks?
[12:17] <DralaFi> but when i boot windows xp on laptop, i set it's address to 192.168.2.155 and i can ping
[12:17] <DralaFi> Delphinus, they should both be 255.255.255.0 afaik
[12:17] <Delphinus> how is the 155 address assigned?
[12:17] <Delphinus> yes
[12:17] <DralaFi> manual
[12:18] <Delphinus> there is winxp on desktop>?
[12:18] <DralaFi> no winxp on desktop
[12:18] <Delphinus> so you ahve winxp running on desktop, plugged via crossover into laptop dual booting?
[12:18] <Acc\Deny> Intel 845, X startup failure, monitor turns off... Ctrl-Alt-F1 gives a prompt, but how do i Install from there?
[12:19] <[cf] nightrid3r> Acc\Deny: sudo apt-get install <packagename>
[12:20] <hektik> what is the default root password for edgy after installing it ?
[12:20] <Acc\Deny> [cf] nightrid3r: I want to install the whole kubuntu on HDD...
[12:20] <[cf] nightrid3r> hektik: there is none, you have to set it
[12:20] <hektik> where do i set it at
[12:20] <TIger_IT> hektik: there is no root
[12:20] <hektik> im tryin to open wlassistant and its asking for root passwd
[12:21] <TIger_IT> hektik: so... when you will use SUDO ....the pass will be the same of your user
[12:21] <DralaFi> Delphinus, desktop = linux, laptop = winxp, everything is ok and I can ping. desktop = linux, laptop = linux, no ping
[12:21] <[cf] nightrid3r> Acc\Deny: hmmm and the live cd doesn't work?
[12:22] <Acc\Deny> [cf] nightrid3r: Nope... monitor stops (like shuts itself off) after I see something like "starting X..."
[12:22] <Acc\Deny> even Ctrl-ALt-BkSpc cant kill it :(
[12:22] <TIger_IT> Acc\Deny:  there is some troubles with intel-video-chip s
[12:23] <Acc\Deny> TIger_IT: I experienced X problems with Knoppix... buit changing the video RAM solved it...
[12:23] <Delphinus> Acc\Deny: have you tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg from console?
[12:23] <Acc\Deny> Delphinus: nOPE. new to Kubuntu and its father Debain.
[12:23] <TIger_IT> Acc\Deny: there are specific drivers to solve problems with Intel chips....
[12:24] <Acc\Deny> TIger_IT: Any URL or google-strings in mind? :)
[12:24] <Delphinus> Acc\Deny: that command just reruns the xserver wizard, so you can check resolutions and stuff, completely safe as it backs up your config file
[12:24] <[cf] nightrid3r> Acc\Deny: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[12:24] <TIger_IT> Acc\Deny: mmmm... let me see
[12:24] <hw_> como eu configuro o som no kubuntu?
[12:24] <TIger_IT> hw_: es en ingles aca!!!
[12:25] <[cf] nightrid3r> hw_: english please
[12:25] <Acc\Deny> Delphinus: ok will try that too
[12:25] <TIger_IT> hw_: anda a #ubuntu-es
[12:26] <TIger_IT> Acc\Deny: 915resolution.... can be
[12:26] <campbch> :D gotta love multi-linguals.
[12:26] <TIger_IT> campbch: ti piacce leggere italiano ?
[12:27] <campbch> :( no
[12:27] <DralaFi> Delphinus, I also checked that there were no iptables rules dropping icmp. tcpdump showed constant ARP requests from both hosts, but neither seemed to do anything else.
[12:27] <campbch> i speak spanish, english, and am learning japanese.
[12:27] <campbch> i hear italian isn't so far off?
[12:28] <felixjet> no
[12:28] <felixjet> hw_
[12:28] <felixjet> !br
[12:28] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[12:28] <beemer> evening all - anyone know how to get a nforce 400 chipset working in edgy?
[12:28] <thomas_> have u guys noticed that the kopete version which is available in edgy has a major bug?
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> thomas_: and that would be?
[12:29] <[cf] nightrid3r> beemer: install nvidia driver and set up in systems settings, then log out and restart X
[12:30] <thomas_> LeeJunFan: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/69494
[12:30] <thomas_> it's not possible to connect to ICQ
[12:30] <Acc\Deny> TIger_IT: trying 915 resolution
[12:30] <beemer> [cf] nightrid3r: I have a pcie nvidia card running fine - what I'm missing is sound and ide/dvd dma
[12:31] <TIger_IT> Acc\Deny: ok
[12:31] <momal> how can i alt tab or have a work around to minimize full screen apps suck as tremulous
[12:31] <momal> such*
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> thomas_: I'm on icq with mine right now.
[12:31] <[cf] nightrid3r> beemer: oh ok, that should be supported out of the box, try dmesg to see what the kernel thinks your hardware is
[12:32] <thomas_> on edgy?
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> thomas_: I've got a friend who hasn't been able to log on reliably, but off and on he can.
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> yeah.
[12:32] <beemer> [cf] nightrid3r: i get a bunch of "unknowns" on lspci
[12:32] <thomas_> which version?
[12:32] <thomas_> kopete 0.12.3-0ubuntu1 <- 1 !!
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> thomas_: 3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1
[12:33] <thomas_> that's mine
[12:33] <thomas_> i am not able to connect to icq.
[12:33] <felixjet> anyone know a good manual to create shell commands?
[12:33] <felixjet> i mean -> #!/bin/sh
[12:33] <LeeJunFan> thomas_: my friend has had problems, but is able to get on icq most of the time.
[12:35] <[cf] nightrid3r> beemer: thats strange it should realy detect all hardware, it does on my nforce4 machine
[12:36] <beemer> [cf] nightrid3r: i have this board: http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=NF61V%20MICRO%20AM2
[12:37] <[cf] nightrid3r> beemer: you seem to have a more recent mcp chip than i have, maybe thats the problem
[12:39] <[cf] nightrid3r> beemer: check lsmod for snd_intel8x0
[12:39] <beemer> [cf] nightrid3r: I tried modprobe of both intel8x0 and hda_intel - neither worked
[12:40] <Acc\Deny> TIger_IT: From what i can initially gather, Ubuntu does not support 915 and its like a hack, with a right to burn out your hardware :)
[12:40] <beemer> I did a sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0 then tried to do aplay -l and got nothing
[12:41] <momal> How can I alt tab or have a work around to minimize full screen apps such as tremulous
[12:41] <[cf] nightrid3r> beemer: then it probably a kernel problem
[12:41] <Acc\Deny> Plus it requires the "sudo apt-get install 915resolution". Modems have been a headache for me always on Linux :(
[12:41] <[cf] nightrid3r> !hardware
[12:41] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[12:43] <Acc\Deny> 0_o
[12:43] <Acc\Deny> !845
[12:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 845 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:43] <Acc\Deny> :D
[12:47] <kdemon> is it possible to load Kubuntu from a live CD?
[12:47] <h3sp4wn> kdemon: that is the normal installation method (I still think the old text install method is more robust though)
[12:48] <Acc\Deny> thanx guyz
[12:49] <kdemon> h3sp4wn,  I don't understand, I'm running kubuntu from the CD and I want to be able to boot from the harddrive, how do I install onto the hardrive?
[12:49] <h3sp4wn> kdemon: There should be an install icon somewhere on the desktop
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> (or maybe elsewhere)
[12:50] <kdemon> hmmm, don't see any Install Icons.
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> !install
[12:50] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[12:58] <momal> How can I alt tab or have a work around to minimize full screen apps such as tremulous
[12:58] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder
[12:59] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[01:02] <rag> ubotu, is better than sysrescuecd?
[01:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is better than sysrescuecd? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <cpk1> momal: just switch desktops?
[01:14] <ChanibaL> hi, could someone help me with a permissions problem? if i use my main account there are no problems, but other users cannot access for example /dev/video0 (i know that i can chmod, but i want something permament)
[01:15] <cpk1> what groups can use /dev/video0?
[01:15] <thingy> ChanibaL, what's the user/group of the device currently? add your users to the group!
[01:16] <ChanibaL> hm... not sure how to check the group (so lame...), but here's ls -al /dev/video0
[01:16] <ChanibaL> crwxrwxrwx 1 root video 81, 0 2006-11-04 00:37 /dev/video0
[01:16] <ChanibaL> (chmoded it)
[01:17] <ChanibaL> it will return to something like 0700 or 0744 after reboot
[01:19] <cpk1> that means the video group has permissions
[01:19] <cpk1> add the users to the video group
[01:19] <ChanibaL> omg, you're right, and i'm blind
[01:20] <letalis> has anyone had trouble getting a tvcard that uses bttv and snd_bt87x to get sound under edgy?
[01:20] <letalis> it worked fine in dapper
[01:20] <niels_> can anyone tell me how to play mpg files i'm just using linux (kubuntu) for one day
[01:21] <rag> please friends
[01:21] <rag> katapult not start with alt+space on edgy, why?
[01:21] <rag> is for friend laptop
[01:22] <letalis> ChanibaL: i would look at information regarding udev
[01:23] <thingy> rag, 1. Is this a normal Kubuntu installation? 2. Any error messages for Katapult in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[01:23] <ChanibaL> ok, i'll reboot and check if it works correctly, one more thing, through - is there a console volume mixer? I mean a real console one that can be used in scripts, not the alsamixer
[01:23] <letalis> how many people use this system at once ChanibaL?
[01:23] <bonggnu> while printing a document (kpdf) the printer stop in 30th page. Checking dmesg says drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: on fire, it could be an edgy error?
[01:23] <letalis> nvm
[01:23] <letalis> lol
[01:23] <thingy> ChanibaL, amixer
[01:23] <ChanibaL> 1, but 2 profiles, one for me, one for others (it's also used as a tv)
[01:24] <letalis> yeah the safest way is to add the user to the device group in question video
[01:25] <letalis> yo shouldnt have to reboot if all goes well
[01:25] <rag> thingy: yeah 6.10 with livecd not alternate, thx
[01:25] <letalis> unix permissions usually take effect immediately
[01:25] <ChanibaL> ok, thanks, hopefully it'll all work
[01:25] <cpk1> ChanibaL: you dont need to
[01:26] <rag> thingy: i dont see .xsession-erros
[01:26] <ChanibaL> i want to be sure, because the permissions have reseted on reboot
[01:26] <cpk1> just do "groups" that will show your groups
[01:27] <thingy> bonggnu, that fire message is just a way of the system to report that the printer reported an unknown status code and it doesn't know whats wrong with the thing.
[01:27] <ChanibaL> plus i want to check if volume setting by amixer works correctly (i don't like the static sound from the tv card all the time i dont use tvtime)
[01:27] <letalis> yeah youll need to use that command on the account in question
[01:27] <archangel_> anyone using Edgy 6.10?
[01:29] <thingy> rag, ps ax | grep katapult   (does it report katapult running?)
[01:29] <bonggnu> i am using Edgy  archangel_
[01:29] <thingy> rag, if it isn't running, then launch a terminal, enter "katapult" and see if you get an icon on the systray for it. Try pressing alt+space
[01:30] <rag> thingy, there is
[01:30] <archangel_> bonggnu: like it?
[01:30] <archangel_> bonggnu: I'm trying to decide what to install on my parents pc
[01:30] <maxime> how to compile firefox 2.0 ?
[01:31] <maxime> ???
[01:32] <archangel_> edgy or the dapper... hmmmmm
[01:32] <maxime> dapper
[01:32] <maxime> (6.06
[01:32] <cpk1> edgy will get more app updates now
[01:33] <maxime> i have just konqueror inot have firefox
[01:33] <thingy> rag, paste the output of that ps grep command
[01:33] <rag> thingy: im in other computer with irc
[01:33] <maxime> how to compile .tar.gz
[01:34] <rag> thingy: ok , ps say me katapult -session 10d9d etc...
[01:34] <rag> maxime, first tar zxvf file.tar.gz
[01:34] <cpk1> maxime: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[01:34] <maxime> ok
[01:34] <cpk1> maxime: that page will walk you through it
[01:35] <maxime> thx
[01:35] <rag> maxime: second maybeconfigure, then make and make install
[01:35] <maxime> bye
[01:35] <thingy> rag, use the ps command to find the pid of the katapult process and kill it using "kill -9 pid" and then start katapult again...does it work then?
[01:35] <cpk1> always ask politely for something to die first
[01:36] <cpk1> then if it still is misbehaving then use -9
[01:36] <edgar> alguien sabe como instalar codes a kubuntu
[01:36] <archangel_> hey has anyone put pics on their ipod using amarok?
[01:38] <rag> thingy: start katapult with root o normal user?
[01:38] <thingy> cpk1, politely is prob. not the right word...gracefully would be better :-)
[01:38] <thingy> rag, yes
[01:39] <archangel_> ipod anyone?
[01:40] <cpk1> sure i'll take one archangel_
[01:41] <rag> thingy: root?
[01:41] <thingy> rag, with a normal user acount
[01:41] <thingy> swap/acount/account
[01:41] <rag> thingy: sorry its true
[01:43] <rag> thingy: nothing :(
[01:43] <thingy> rag, run "xmodmap" from a xterm window and does it say mod1 = ALT_L or ALT_R ?
[01:44] <thingy> rag, in fact and easier test...run the Konsole app and press the Alt key once and press down arrow once...does it open a menu?
[01:44] <rag> thingy: ALT_L
[01:44] <eaglehawk> hello everybody
[01:45] <rag> thingy: but nothing , no left no right alt!!!
[01:45] <eaglehawk> can anybody help me with alsa sound for laptop
[01:45] <thingy> rag, so pressing alt key and then down arrow in console doesn't bring up a menu?
[01:45] <eaglehawk> edgy release!
[01:46] <rag> thingy: yeah , of course, its working
[01:46] <eaglehawk> can anybody help me with alsa sound for laptop
[01:48] <rag> thingy: but alt+space, i try change it other shortcut but katapult gui not appear for me...
[01:48] <thingy> rag, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=286874&highlight=katapult
[01:50] <rag> thingy: ok thx, time to sleep :)
[01:52] <rag> thingy: thx! bye
[01:52] <thingy> rag, c ya
[01:53] <thingy> eaglehawk, whats the alsa problem with the laptop?
[01:53] <thingy> eaglehawk, whats the laptop make/model as well?
[01:55] <archangel_> hey how difficult is it to set up dsl with kubuntu?
[01:56] <archangel_> is it automatic like a cable modem?
[01:56] <xsacha> dont see why it wouldnt be as easy as doing nothing
[01:56] <felixjet> in shell scripting. how i can tell script to manage a "$2-" . i mean, till $2 to final. ?
[01:57] <archangel_> I have never had to set up the internet with linux, its always worked out of the box
[01:57] <xsacha> me too, except for wireless.. i had to use a windows driver for my wireless card
[02:00] <Search4Lancer> alright, why is it that I can't upgrade to Edgy?
[02:00] <Search4Lancer> I was expecting the "full upgrade" or whatever button in Adept to be enabled, and it's not
[02:01] <thingy> SeanTater, Adept cannot do dist upgrades!
[02:01] <thingy> sorry wrong person
[02:01] <thingy> Search4Lancer,  Adept cannot do dist upgrades!
[02:01] <Search4Lancer> I could've sworn it could..... okay, then, how do I do a dist upgrade!?
[02:02] <rag> thingy: nothing, well time to sleep
[02:02] <rag> thingy: sr anderson wake up tomorrow :)
[02:03] <thingy> Search4Lancer, look at the Upgrading from 6.06 LTS section over here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php
[02:03] <Hawkwind> !upgrade | Search4Lancer
[02:03] <ubotu> Search4Lancer: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:03] <Hawkwind> Search4Lancer: You really should follow that URL there instead
[02:04] <felixjet> in shell scripting. how i can tell script to manage a "$2-" . i mean, till $2 to final. ?
[02:06] <thingy> felixjet, are you talking about command line parameters?
[02:06] <felixjet> yes
[02:06] <felixjet> well no
[02:06] <felixjet> its like if i put: ./dl 010.jpg A new Photo
[02:06] <thingy> felixjet, if you want to get $* without the 1st parameter, you will need to save $* to a var, and use string manipulation to remove the 1st parameter
[02:07] <felixjet> ths script do: mkdir $2- | wget url$1
[02:07] <thingy> felixjet, there are librarlies and functions avail on the net which do this for you already
[02:07] <thingy> so no need to code the function again
[02:07] <felixjet> any word to search for ?
[02:08] <Hawkwind> felixjet: You could also ask in #Bash
[02:08] <felixjet> thanks
[02:08] <felixjet> ill do :)
[02:16] <DralaFi> i've not played any flight sims in a while. Does anyone know of any good linux ones (except FlightGear, I know of that one)?
[02:20] <thingy> Danker, http://www.happypenguin.org/show?ACM   http://www.happypenguin.org/show?FACHODA%20Complex   http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Flying%20Guns     http://www.happypenguin.org/show?GL-117 and tons more at linux game tome
[02:20] <thingy> dang wrong persons AGAIN. stupid auto completion
[02:21] <thingy> DralaFi,  http://www.happypenguin.org/show?ACM   http://www.happypenguin.org/show?FACHODA%20Complex   http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Flying%20Guns     http://www.happypenguin.org/show?GL-117 and tons more at linux game tome
[02:21] <DralaFi> thingy, thanks, I'l; have a look at them. I've tried GL-117 a while back, didn't like it. Don't recognise the others. Thanks
[02:22] <larson9999> i told my son we can buy new games when he's played all the free ones there :)
[02:23] <DralaFi> larson9999, LOL
[02:23] <thingy> larson9999, you horrible malfunctioning parental unit! :-)
[02:24] <larson9999> :)  actually, there are some good quality games there.
[02:29] <DralaFi> might just get flightgear again
[02:35] <max_> can someone help me with wine?
[02:37] <thingy> max_, drink moderately!
[02:37] <Hawkwind> max_: Have you tried in #WineHQ ?
[02:37] <shadowhywind> hay is anyone else having azureus problems?
[02:38] <shadowhywind> i am having nothing but problems with it trying to download edgy 64 dvd
[02:38] <max_> haha, no on is alive in that channel
[02:39] <thingy> max_, they all don't drink moderately! :-)
[02:39] <Hawkwind> max_: They will be, gotta have patience
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Have you used engage recently ? Is it still broken ?
[02:40] <smaggard> hiya pals!
[02:40] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: I've never used it.  It's no longer maintained
[02:41] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: I have never used it either - was it never an official part of e17 ?
[02:41] <Kjoo> anyone knows where I can  find a deb package for Klear ? it is a dvb application for kde
[02:41] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: It was, yes.  There is both a module and stand alone version.  The module version is going away as it'll be replaced by something soon.  The standalone might still work but it's going away too soon
[02:41] <matthew> kubuntu seems to have improved in 6.10
[02:42] <Kjoo> anyone knows where I can  find a deb package for Klear ? it is a dvb application for kde
[02:42] <Hawkwind> Kjoo: No need to repeat yourself every minute
[02:42] <smaggard> Kjoo> ive never heard of it or used it
[02:42] <Kjoo> I am frustrated i spent hours searching for a package and couldnt
[02:42] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: But there is going to be something similar before release ?
[02:42] <Kjoo> how come thereis none for kubuntu :(
[02:42] <manwithaface> Kjoo: google Klear .deb
[02:43] <Kjoo> I did
[02:43] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Possibly, hard to tell as noone really likes engage or what it does it seems
[02:43] <manwithaface> any .deb will install in Kub
[02:43] <Kjoo> all sorts of searching
[02:43] <shadowhywind> kjoo http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all&keywords=klear&sourceid=mozilla-search
[02:43] <shadowhywind> *sorry didn't think that was that long*
[02:43] <OOD> manwithaface: not true
[02:43] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: I don't really know much about it (other than a few things I have seen where people are saying how good it is)
[02:44] <manwithaface> OOD: i meant generally
[02:44] <smaggard> i like kubuntu :D
[02:44] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Those people that said that are on crack then.  Engage is horribly coded hence why it's no longer supported
[02:44] <manwithaface> OOD: every deb I have installed works great
[02:44] <smaggard> same here
[02:44] <Kjoo> thats not what i am searchging for
[02:45] <Kjoo> the klear i want is not a the klearlook style for kde
[02:45] <OOD> some debian debs i tried did not work, debian and ubuntu debs are pretty incompatible atm
[02:45] <Kjoo> it is a dvb app, distros have it
[02:45] <Kjoo> cant find one in deb
[02:45] <Hawkwind> Kjoo: Do you have the source ?
[02:45] <manwithaface> you can use alien to convert from RPM
[02:45] <_rnz-> COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) -- The Rev. Ted Haggard, who is Republican and a devout supporter of President Bush, resigned as one of the nation's top evangelical leaders, admitted Friday he had contacted a male prostitute for a massage and bought drugs from him.
[02:45] <_rnz-> oops
[02:46] <Kjoo> no
[02:46] <momal> cpk1: how alt+tab keys wont work... and any key combo to change desktop doesn't work :(
[02:46] <justin> hello
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: If it is horribly coded I will steer clear (but it is amazing how much stuff people love is coded badly)
[02:46] <Kjoo> but there should be a deb
[02:46] <Hawkwind> Kjoo: Find the source and build one
[02:46] <Hawkwind> Kjoo: Not necessarily.  It's probably either really old and unmaintained, or too new that noone has made a deb package of it
[02:46] <manwithaface> make sure you have build-essential first
[02:46] <justin> Is there somebody available to help me?
[02:46] <Kjoo> I have ubuntu and building from source will requires alot of install
[02:46] <manwithaface> justin: whats the question?
[02:46] <Hawkwind> justin: Ask your question
[02:46] <Kjoo> kde headers and alot of stuff
[02:47] <smaggard> just> what kinda question is that
[02:47] <LjL> Hawkwind, actually there's a dapper .deb that shows up as second google hit. i mentioned that, but
[02:47] <justin> i have lost the multi desktop switcher in my taskbar
[02:47] <Hawkwind> LjL: Where ?
[02:47] <justin> how can i get it back?
[02:47] <xsacha> how can i get the default xorg.conf off the live cd without rebooting.. there's no xorg.conf file on there
[02:47] <hollywoodb> justin: right-click the panel -> add applet ->
[02:47] <justin> ok
[02:47] <xsacha> is it generated by what hardware it detects only?
[02:48] <LjL> Hawkwind: http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/dists/dapper/3v1n0/
[02:48] <manwithaface> justin: its the desktop manager one
[02:48] <Hawkwind> LjL: I never saw you post anything here about Klear actually
[02:48] <LjL> Hawkwind: no, it was on #ubuntu.
[02:48] <justin> there is no desktop manager one
[02:48] <justin> I am using Kubuntu 6.10 Egdy Eft
[02:48] <hollywoodb> justin: desktop previewer and pager or something like that
[02:48] <Hawkwind> LjL: Ahhh, I don't hang out in #Ubuntu :P
[02:49] <justin> ok found it
[02:49] <smaggard> y not? i dont either haha
[02:49] <justin> thanks hollywoodb :-)
[02:49] <manwithaface> justin: you will find many useful ways to expand upon the default panel
[02:49] <justin> ok
[02:50] <smaggard> i need my kde to look sexy! i have the default with just icons ive added haha
[02:50] <manwithaface> how can a desktop enviro be sexy?
[02:50] <OOD> oh it can be
[02:50] <smaggard> trust me... it can be!
[02:51] <thingy> Depends on how frisky the user is! ;-)
[02:51] <smaggard> lol
[02:51] <justin> how can i register so i can send private messages?
[02:51] <smaggard> nickserv somethin
[02:51] <manwithaface> justin: /msg nickserv register password
[02:52] <justin> where do i put that?
[02:52] <manwithaface> right where your typin
[02:52] <justin>  /msg nickserv register password
[02:52] <OOD>  /msg nickserv register password
[02:52] <thingy> justin, http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration  <--- Read this first!
[02:52] <smaggard> hehe
[02:52] <xsacha> yeah /msg nickserv register hotstuff
[02:52] <manwithaface> and you will want to make your password something other than password
[02:52] <justin> ok
[02:53] <smaggard> la la la
[02:54] <xsacha> anyone know how i could get the default xorg.conf back?
[02:54] <justin1278> ok
[02:54] <justin1278> im registered now i think
[02:55] <manwithaface> xsacha: look around on the Ubuntu forums, someone is bound to have posted one
[02:55] <thingy> xsacha, is there a backup of it in your /etc/X11/ dir ? if not and you want it generated again, then dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[02:56] <thingy> xsacha, or something like X -configure will prob. give you a working config as well
[02:56] <xsacha> no backup and reconfigure doesnt give me the default one. it's interactive
[02:56] <manwithaface> is interactive bad?
[02:56] <manwithaface> what kind of interactive?
[02:56] <xsacha> yes i need the default one that came with
[02:56] <LeeJunFan> Anyone know of a repository with ffmpeg and vlc that aren't mp3 neutered?
[02:56] <matthew> i think my xorg in default
[02:56] <matthew> is*
[02:57] <manwithaface> or course, the xorg would be differant depending on your settings, such as resolution
[02:57] <manwithaface> the xorg.conf is created during install from dpkg
[02:58] <matthew> i don't have a resolution i'm using a new vector technology monitor
[02:58] <matthew> ok, that was a lie
[02:58] <manwithaface> vector is a fancy word
[02:59] <matthew> with potential for pretense
[03:00] <manwithaface> LeeFunFan: you have to install MP3 support
[03:00] <arriesp> hi people
[03:00] <manwithaface> open Amarok and try to play an Mp3 file and it should walk you through it
[03:01] <Hawkwind> xsacha: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:01] <Hawkwind> xsacha: That will give you a default xorg.conf
[03:03] <xsacha> ok thx
[03:03] <xsacha> damn, it doesnt..
[03:04] <xsacha> it's close though..
[03:04] <thingy> sigh
[03:05] <manwithaface> xsacha: why do you need a new xorg.conf?
[03:05] <xsacha> the default one had different way of setting resolutions.. i'll try it though
[03:06] <matthew> is there a shortcut to minimize all windows in KDE?
[03:06] <xsacha> i've just a range of 'default' xorg.conf's but this program is breaking on all of them, but it doesnt break on one that came default with kubuntu
[03:06] <xsacha> brb
[03:06] <OOD> matthew: there's a kicker applet that does just that
[03:06] <OOD> it acts just like the "show desktop" in windows
[03:06] <matthew> ODD: I'll check her out
[03:07] <manwithaface> i don't know about keyboard shortcuts though
[03:07] <manwithaface> matthew: called show desktop
[03:07] <matthew> kind of a necessary feature.
[03:08] <LjL> matthew: ctrl+alt+d is the default shortcut
[03:08] <smaggard> yeah i def need a show desktop button
[03:08] <justin1278> blue07
[03:08] <LjL> look at the shortcuts control applet if you want to change it
[03:08] <justin1278> oops
[03:08] <xsacha> tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, chose "ati" and "1280x1024" but for some reason my resolution is 800x600 now? and i didnt get the monitor out of range i got with default xorg.conf.. and app still breaks
[03:08] <justin1278> lolol
[03:08] <justin1278> hello
[03:08] <smaggard> hello!!!!!!!
[03:08] <justin1278> sry about that
[03:09] <smaggard> what did u do
[03:09] <justin1278> ran low on battery
[03:09] <smaggard> ah
[03:09] <smaggard> im getting close
[03:09] <justin1278> lol
[03:09] <justin1278> i was getting the power cord out
[03:09] <matthew> ah, cool. I got it...
[03:09] <justin1278> and then it went ahead and started hibernating
[03:09] <smaggard> 41% and 2.25 hours left...
[03:09] <justin1278> ive already been on my battery for about 3.5 hours lol
[03:09] <justin1278> lost track of time
[03:10] <smaggard> lol
[03:10] <justin1278> oh well im back
[03:10] <justin1278> lol
[03:10] <xsacha> im gonna boot up live cd and copy xorg.conf to my disk, brb
[03:11] <smaggard> ok
[03:11] <justin1278> ok
[03:11] <nzx> hi, how do i change options for laptop buttons ?
[03:13] <thingy> nzx, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=211708&highlight=laptop+buttons See if the keytouch program helps!
[03:14] <ubuntu_> Hey all
[03:14] <thingy> nzx, also if the laptop buttons are already being recognised by X, then http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=55481&highlight=laptop+buttons
[03:14] <Huister> anyone know how to skip the qtparted step in the installer? i'm trying to dual boot
[03:15] <nzx> thingy, hey, the keys actually work, the brightness and volume are ok, but mute is not
[03:15] <LjL> Huister: it should allow that
[03:15] <nzx> thingy, ah, i'll check second link
[03:15] <Huister> qtparted crashes because there is an ntfs partition on the hard drive
[03:16] <Huister> outputs " No Implementation: Support for opening ntfs file systems is not implemented yet."
[03:17] <hollywoodb> maybe I'm missing something, but I've been following http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy and I do NOT see sun java in repos
[03:17] <Huister> it crashes the installer     although i know older versions of parted work
[03:21] <thingy> hollywoodb, the sun java packages are in the multiverse repositories and not the universe ones
[03:22] <thingy> hollywoodb, did you read the "How to add extra repositories" section?
[03:23] <nzx> thingy, how do i check what application my laptop keys are mapped to ? i want to change what they do i think
[03:25] <thingy> In the KDE Control Centre, goto Regional& Accessibility\Keyboard Shortcuts
[03:26] <nzx> thingy, i cant find a setting called toggle mute in there anywhere
[03:26] <hollywoodb> thingy: yep, I missed adding the multiverse stuff to existing lines
[03:26] <LjL> nzx: open KMix, right click on a control, and click "Configure global shortcuts"
[03:27] <hollywoodb> thingy: I had uncommented everything & added PLF as well as commercial, but I missed appending the original lines
[03:27] <nzx> LjL, hi, i tried and that mapped the mute key, but the mute does not work, i think the keys are being handled by another application
[03:28] <LjL> nzx: they shouldn't. well, actually, if they are already handle, a warning window should pop up about that.
[03:28] <thingy> nzx, in the konsole, type in xev and then in the new white window, move the mouse into the window and press the mute key...does it generate a keysym output in the konsole window?
[03:28] <LjL> nzx: but are your multimedia keys being recognized /at all/, anyway?  that is, when you add the shortcut, does it recognize the keypress?
[03:29] <nzx> LjL, yep the keys are picked up
[03:29] <LjL> weird nuff
[03:29] <nzx> LjL, the problem i am having is the mute key does not work
[03:29] <nzx> LjL, so i want to check how the mute is being triggered, i might just need to change an option or sumthing
[03:29] <thingy> nzx, confirm that the mute key is getting detected as XF86AudioMute
[03:30] <nzx> thingy, it is, when i tried to map the key in kmix, thats what it came up as
[03:31] <thingy> nzx, ok how are you testing whether its working or not...are you simply looking at the mixer or are you actually playing something and noticing that mute is not working when pressed
[03:31] <LjL> nzx: actually in my Edgy i see that the Mute key *is* already mapped to something -- namely something that makes a "Mute on" (or "off") on screen display pop up
[03:31] <morphish> kubuntu isn't sneaking some sort of firewall by me, is it?
[03:31] <LjL> (i forgot about this new Edgy feature)
[03:31] <LjL> !firewall
[03:31] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[03:31] <LjL> and, no, no rules enabled by defaul.t
[03:31] <nzx> thingy, i am playing music and the mute does not work
[03:32] <morphish> LjL: that's what i meant, default enabled :) azu is hating on me, this was the last chance
[03:32] <nzx> LjL, thingy: i am getting the prompt saying mute on, mut off
[03:32] <morphish> holy crap all my media keys work too
[03:32] <LjL> nzx, that's handled separately from standard KDE shortcuts, i think. in other words, it's an ugly hack, i'm afraid.
[03:32] <nzx> what handles it ?
[03:33] <LjL> nzx: i don't know, but not the standard KDE shortcut key system -- if it did, if would pop up a warning when i try to remap the key to something else. which it doesn't.
[03:34] <thingy> This sounds like the mute key is muting the wrong mixer then!
[03:34] <some0ne> Hey I want to make a background with the Kubuntu logo in it. Where can I find Ubuntu / Kubuntu artwork like what I see in the default KDM theme?
[03:34] <smaggard> when i do xev my up down and mute button show as events, but thats as far as i get to them actually doing anything lol
[03:34] <nzx> thingy, that is what i think, but how do i check this ?
[03:35] <thingy> nzx, start up the kde mixer and make it display all the mixers and there should be a green light underneath them if they are active...i think...have not got it installed yet...so cant test this myself
[03:36] <morphish> my mute button "just works" (tm) i see the same Mute On Mute Off dialog pop up, and my mixer icon in kde gets slashed out
[03:36] <LjL> thingy: yes, for me it's still muting the Master, even if i map it to PCM in KMix.
[03:36] <nzx> thingy, there are three with green lights
[03:37] <morphish> kmix gets slashed out all together, fwiw
[03:37] <LjL> morphish: yeah, try changing the assign to something else though - in kde 3.4, i could
[03:37] <smaggard> my mute does nothing
[03:37] <nzx> thingy, lol, its muting my headphone chanel
[03:37] <smaggard> neither to vol up and down
[03:37] <thingy> nzx, lol
[03:37] <LjL> that's stupid.
[03:37] <nzx> its what it is doing :)
[03:37] <LjL> in the previous versions, Mute (and friends) weren't assigned at all, by default, but you could assign them to whatever
[03:38] <morphish> LjL: hm, it works as is, so i won't fudge with it :)
[03:38] <LjL> now they're assigned by default, *to the wrong thing*, and you can't change the assign - bah
[03:38] <LjL> file a bug.
[03:38] <nzx> so how on earth do i make it mute the front chanel ? thats whati need muting ?
[03:39] <nzx> lol, they got my volume up/down and screen brightness up/down right, just not the mute :(
[03:40] <thingy> nzx, in kmix do you have a switches tab?
[03:40] <nzx> yep
[03:40] <nzx> in the witches thing i have two things that say input source
[03:40] <thingy> nzx, greeny yellow light in it?
[03:40] <nzx> and bot set to mic
[03:40] <nzx> bot=both
[03:42] <thingy> nzx, also as Ljl said earlier...what happens if you right click on the Front mixer, select Configure Global Shortcuts and assign the mute key
[03:44] <thingy> nzx, because I just tested on my system after isntalling kmix and i can at will set a particulalr mixer to increase decrease volume and got mute
[03:44] <nzx> thingy, still same, i get the thing saying mute on/off but doest not actually mute
[03:44] <thingy> nzx, oh i just realiased...EACH mixer settings can be assigned the mute key
[03:44] <arriesp> aora wervo
[03:44] <thingy> nzx, and only one of them gets it and processes it
[03:44] <allRblong2us> hi
[03:45] <thingy> nzx, so disable the assignments on all other mixers except the one you want
[03:45] <beowulf-afk> hola
[03:45] <allRblong2us> how can I update the system with Kubuntu? I just installed it, I wanna do a full blown update
[03:45] <allRblong2us> thanks
[03:45] <nzx> thingy, but the headphone chanel doesnt not have a short cut assigned
[03:45] <beowulf-afk> been using suse for 2 years, looking into Ubuntu
[03:45] <thingy> nzx, assign one and unassign it...as a test
[03:46] <thingy> beowulf-afk, its a shame about novell and ms...you leaving suse because of that?
[03:46] <nzx> thingy, it keeps muting the headphone one, not matter what i set the key to
[03:46] <beowulf-afk> yea, Im not likeing what Ive read at all
[03:47] <thingy> nzx, ok time to rule out the configs...create another user...log in as this user..and test!
[03:47] <allRblong2us> noboty knows how to do a freaking upgrade?
[03:48] <beowulf-afk> just been wondering about the system and how it installs, I got a AMD 64 (X2) cpu
[03:48] <xsacha> yeah.. just people get tired of saying it
[03:48] <thingy> allRblong2us, you can use adept or use the konsole and type in sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:50] <allRblong2us> thanks thingy
[03:50] <Ahmuck> i would like to install a *.deb.  how do i do this ?
[03:50] <xsacha> dpkg -i *.deb
[03:51] <thingy> Ahmuck, sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[03:51] <allRblong2us> how do I upgrade to 6.10?
[03:52] <allRblong2us> sudo upgrade update?
[03:52] <Ahmuck> allRblong2us: it is on the kubuntu release notes page
[03:52] <beowulf-afk> from what I saw on the ubuntu site it looks pretty but how does it function?
[03:52] <Ahmuck> would you like a link ?
[03:52] <thingy> allRblong2us, no its a bit different...since you upgrading the os...
[03:52] <thingy> !upgrade
[03:52] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[03:52] <Ahmuck> beowulf-afk: have you used ubuntu ?
[03:53] <beowulf-afk> nope, been a suse lifer till now
[03:53] <morphish> beowulf-afk: why not stick with SuSE?
[03:54] <Ahmuck> why not move to ubuntu ?
[03:54] <morphish> beowulf-afk: how is suse 64bit wise, how does it handle 32bit apps?
[03:54] <beowulf-afk> what Ive read of the "MS Novell marriage" Im not to thrilled with it
[03:54] <shadowhywind> what is the commandline version of alt+ctrl+backspace?
[03:54] <thingy> shadowhywind, reboot
[03:54] <thingy> shadowhywind, sudo reboot
[03:54] <BluesKaj> kill?
[03:55] <shadowhywind> i don't want a reboot, just a restart X/KDE
[03:55] <nzx> thingy, just need to logout and back in brb
[03:55] <thingy> shadowhywind, oops
[03:55] <thingy> shadowhywind, my mistake read the backspace as delete
[03:55] <matt_> shadowhywind:  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[03:55] <morphish> shadowhywind: ps ax , get pid of X, kill -9 that pid
[03:56] <shadowhywind> matt_ will that do startx as well?
[03:56] <morphish> if it doesn't work to restart kdm that is
[03:56] <morphish> shadowhywind: you did a manual startx or you logged in to a graphical DM?
[03:56] <shadowhywind> logged into graphical
[03:56] <matt_> shadowhywind: I think so
[03:57] <matt_> shadowhywind: what are you trying to do?
[03:57] <shadowhywind> a friend was asking,
[04:01] <unix_infidel> anyone know of any python 2.5 backports for dapper?
[04:01] <nzx> thingy, hi, exact same thing on the other user
[04:01] <thingy> nzx, hmm
[04:01] <thingy> nzx, whats the laptop(make/model)
[04:02] <Porkotron> !decss
[04:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about decss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:02] <Porkotron> !dvd
[04:02] <nzx> thingy, sony vaio vgn-s3xp
[04:02] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  -  libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[04:02] <nzx> thingy, just need to find the dam thing that handles the keypress and change the command that it runs!! but how
[04:03] <arriesp> hi
[04:03] <beowulf-afk> take care, thanks for all the insight
[04:03] <Th3_Cr0up13R> hey guys i downloaded
[04:03] <Th3_Cr0up13R> Frostwire
[04:03] <ranio> plz help~ how can I see *.wmv files on kaffeine player?
[04:04] <Th3_Cr0up13R> untared it but there is no configure or make file in there
[04:04] <Th3_Cr0up13R> just a usr folder
[04:04] <Th3_Cr0up13R> any ideas ? did i do something wrong?
[04:04] <Th3_Cr0up13R> where is all the files gone ?
[04:04] <Th3_Cr0up13R> !
[04:05] <arriesp> i can't pay for elive, but i want to have enlightenment, how can i install it?
[04:05] <thingy> nzx, hmm a long way round solution...but http://www.sony-tools.homeunix.net/sony.html
[04:05] <arriesp> please help
[04:06] <thingy> nzx, there isn't a deb for this though...so means compiling it
[04:06] <thingy> nzx, wait a minute...it looks like its just a perl script
[04:07] <thingy> nzx, wth
[04:07] <nzx> thingy, whats up ?
[04:07] <h3sp4wn> arriesp: use Hawkwind 's packages or easy_e17.sh
[04:07] <thingy> nzx, read the url i pasted
[04:07] <nzx> thingy, i am
[04:07] <arriesp> thanks
[04:08] <thingy> nzx, its a sony tools and utilities site..and it seems that it messes with acpi to allow you to control keys on the sony laptops
[04:08] <Hawkwind> arriesp: http://SeerOfSouls.com/ is my site and repo
[04:08] <thingy> nzx, specifically : "Controls Master Volume and Mute (for OSS or ALSA), Processor Speed (requires ACPI support, relevant kernel modules, and Centrino or SpeedStep CPU), Screen Brightness, LCD Power Down (for ATi Radeon graphics chips), and Disc Eject; for any system with a sonypi controller."
[04:08] <arriesp> ok thanks
[04:09] <arriesp> do you use enlightment?
[04:09] <Hawkwind> arriesp: I use E17 exclusively
[04:09] <nzx> hmmz, seems crazy that i have to this rather then just being able to say to the dam key mapper thingy mute the other chanel!
[04:10] <thingy> nzx, yes...weird...it could be that pressing the key is generating an acpi event which is being ate up something
[04:10] <arriesp> what package i must download and install? there are some of them
[04:10] <nzx> thingy, yea, i will play with this tomorrow, i need some sleep its 3am
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Incidently Hawkwind - is it possible to reduce the size of the borders of the windows in e17 look really thick recently (and stop my xterm from resizing right)
[04:10] <Hawkwind> arriesp: Read the http://SeerOfSouls.com/ubuntu.html page.  It tells you everything
[04:10] <thingy> nzx, heh youre in my time zone!
[04:11] <nzx> thingy, u from the uk ?
[04:11] <arriesp> ok
[04:11] <thingy> nzx, yep
[04:11] <arriesp> thanks and sorry
[04:11] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Look in the config panel, I think there is a border option there, not sure
[04:11] <nzx> thingy, cool, do you use msn? i'll bug u for help tomorrow :)
[04:12] <thingy> nzx, I have an account but I don't use it much
[04:12] <nzx> thingy, no probs i'll look for you in here tomorow
[04:12] <thingy> nzx, ok gnight!
[04:13] <Th3_Cr0up13R> how do i run a jar file ? any ideas guys
[04:13] <Th3_Cr0up13R> i tried java something.jar
[04:13] <thingy> Th3_Cr0up13R, java -jar filename.jar
[04:13] <Th3_Cr0up13R> didnt work
[04:13] <scast> the best way to download kubuntu is using torrents right?
[04:13] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: That there is but it seems incomplete at the moment (just wondered it there was an enlightenment_remote command for doing it)
[04:13] <jeff_> hi, all
[04:14] <Th3_Cr0up13R> sorry i know that , its just says something about cannot find awt libraries
[04:14] <thingy> Th3_Cr0up13R, azureus?
[04:14] <jeff_> Hey, i'm trying to install the IVTV drivers, and the instructions I'm following have me run a command that looks like it ends up calling debuild.  But I don't seem to have that executable,a nd I can't seem to find the package for it.
[04:14] <Th3_Cr0up13R> what does that have to do with it ?
[04:15] <thingy> Th3_Cr0up13R, are you trying to install azureus?
[04:15] <jeff_> So, anyone know what package has debuild in it?
[04:15] <h3sp4wn> jeff_: devscripts
[04:15] <Th3_Cr0up13R> no im trying to run phex, to try it
[04:15] <jeff_> h3sp4wn: thanks, I'll try that.
[04:18] <thingy> Th3_Cr0up13R, if youre launching java -jar phex.jar and its complaining about awt...you prob. got a windows/mac version of it
[04:18] <Th3_Cr0up13R> also im trying to change the themes in dapper but all the ones i downloaded it says they are the wrong file types
[04:18] <Th3_Cr0up13R> what types are the themes in this
[04:18] <thingy> Th3_Cr0up13R, http://www.phex.org/mambo/content/view/17/29/   Choose the third one!
[04:18] <Th3_Cr0up13R> is there a way to add them manually
[04:19] <scast> know what, I am wrong. I am downloading dapper o_O
[04:19] <felixjet> u smart
[04:20] <scast> kind of
[04:20] <Th3_Cr0up13R> thingy: thats the one i got
[04:20] <Th3_Cr0up13R> but its saying the same
[04:20] <Th3_Cr0up13R> ill try and redo it
[04:20] <scast> :\ I can't download with torrents 6.10
[04:20] <Th3_Cr0up13R> ill tell you the result in 2 minutes
[04:21] <scast> >_<
[04:21] <jeff_> h3sp4wn: Hey, that installed what I needed.  Thanks.
[04:21] <arriesp> bye people, go to sleeeppp
[04:22] <Th3_Cr0up13R> its in zip , i gunzip it right ?
[04:22] <scast> I am trying to figure out if I should find my dusty and prolly scratched dapper cd or download edgy.
[04:25] <Th3_Cr0up13R> still the same
[04:26] <Th3_Cr0up13R> uncompressed the files and did java -jar phex.jar
[04:26] <Th3_Cr0up13R> still the same
[04:26] <duane> has their been an update to the flash 9 beta yet?
[04:29] <inteliwasp> what do you guys recomend for an email client?
[04:30] <felixjet> gmail
[04:30] <felixjet> xD
[04:30] <felixjet> or Kmail :P
[04:31] <yipe> hello kubunteers
[04:31] <inteliwasp> i really liked thunderbird on windows but it didn't work that well on linux, but i think that may have been my ex-windows email backups
[04:32] <yipe> Kim^J what's the difference between focus follows mouse, and focus under mouse?
[04:32] <unix_infidel> if you have cxoffice outlook 2003 isnt supported, but it "mostly works"
[04:32] <Kim^J> Dunno really.. try..
[04:33] <yipe> I did try them both, briefly, and couldn't figure out what the difference was
[04:33] <unix_infidel> evolution is the only mail client i know of so far that can do exchange well enough to talk about it.
[04:33] <unix_infidel> strictly speaking nix.
[04:33] <Kim^J> yipe: kk
[04:33] <yipe> they seem to be the exact same
[04:33] <yipe> at least, you know, prima facie
[04:34] <Kim^J> OFFTOPIC KDE CHANNEL: #kde-cafe
[04:35] <markelhas0> hi
[04:35] <Kim^J> He there.
[04:36] <inteliwasp> yipe, mabe it affects what happens to overlaping windows...
[04:36] <markelhas0> can any one tell me if firefox is already installed in kubuntu?
[04:36] <markelhas0> can find it
[04:36] <Hawkwind> markelhas0: Not by default
[04:36] <markelhas0> humm
[04:36] <Hawkwind> markelhas0: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox  should instlal it for you though
[04:37] <Kim^J> markelhas0: No
[04:37] <markelhas0> but it says yes in add/remove
[04:37] <Kim^J> markelhas0: Alt+F2
[04:37] <Kim^J> konsole
[04:37] <Kim^J> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[04:37] <Kim^J> Learn the Konsole way. ;)
[04:37] <markelhas0> oki
[04:39] <markelhas0> hummm
[04:39] <markelhas0> didn't install
[04:40] <markelhas0> think the man is wrong
[04:40] <Kim^J> Huh?
[04:40] <Kim^J> Try: Alt+F2 firefox
[04:41] <markelhas0> :(
[04:41] <markelhas0> Package mozilla-firefox is not available
[04:42] <markelhas0> going to try with add/remove
[04:42] <Kim^J> Oh!
[04:42] <Kim^J> Where do you live?
[04:42] <markelhas0> portugal
[04:42] <Kim^J> Ok
[04:42] <Kim^J> what's your country code?
[04:43] <Kim^J> Like sweden have se and us have us...
[04:43] <rBlong2us> hi
[04:43] <markelhas0> but i like firefox in en
[04:43] <rBlong2us> I need help with sis driver flickering wildly
[04:43] <Kim^J> markelhas0: It doesn't have thing with lang to do. Just the location of the servers.
[04:43] <markelhas0> sorry
[04:43] <markelhas0> pt
[04:44] <markelhas0> add/remove not opening now
[04:44] <markelhas0> !?!?!
[04:44] <Kim^J> markelhas0: http://hagbarddenstore.mine.nu/download
[04:44] <Kim^J> The sources.list shold be in /etc/apt
[04:45] <Kim^J> Move it there when you are root.
[04:45] <Kim^J> and then edit the file with some text editor and change all se to pt
[04:45] <markelhas0> can u explain what is it?
[04:46] <Kim^J> It's a source file where apt get it's download servers from.
[04:46] <Kim^J> PM me for more...
[04:48] <markelhas0> how to register a nick?
[04:48] <Kim^J> markelhas0: Oh... Wait a sec.
[04:48] <Kim^J> Ok Ok...
[04:49] <Kim^J> Open up Konsole.
[04:49] <Kim^J> Type:
[04:49] <Kim^J> cd /etc/apt
[04:49] <Kim^J> sudo wget http://hagbarddenstore.mine.nu/download/sources.list
[04:49] <Kim^J> sudo nano sources.list
[04:49] <Kim^J> Change all se to pt
[04:49] <Kim^J> Oh... You can comment out the Beryl repo by putting a # infront of it.
[04:49] <Kim^J> Then type:
[04:49] <markelhas0> but i cant donwload from the servers i've
[04:49] <Kim^J> sudo apt-get update
[04:50] <Kim^J> do all I said.
[04:50] <Kim^J> And then try sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[04:50] <Kim^J> Do that.
[04:53] <markelhas0> i've check for sdiff in my file and this one and they are equal
[04:53] <markelhas0> !?!?
[04:54] <markelhas0> mine have pt and those se
[04:54] <Kim^J> take away the se
[04:55] <Kim^J> it should be deb http://pt.bla.bla.bla
[04:55] <Kim^J> not deb http://se.bla.bla.bla
[04:55] <markelhas0> oki
[04:55] <markelhas0> done
[04:55] <Kim^J> sudo apt-get update
[04:56] <Kim^J> have you commented out the Beryl repo ?
[04:56] <markelhas0> yaps
[04:57] <Kim^J> your good to go then
[04:57] <markelhas0> done de update
[04:57] <jefff> Hi,a ll
[04:57] <Kim^J> neat
[04:57] <Kim^J> Hi jeanette
[04:57] <Kim^J> Hi jefff *
[04:58] <markelhas0> some error
[04:58] <markelhas0> :(
[04:58] <Kim^J> What's your problem jefff or don't you have one?
[04:58] <jefff> Anyone using JFS partitions on their system?  I'm having trouble mounting some JFS disks that worked fine on the same machine under Mandriva.
[04:58] <Kim^J> markelhas0: Paste.
[04:58] <Kim^J> jefff: What seems to be problem?
[04:58] <markelhas0> mav@mav-laptop:/etc/apt$ sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[04:58] <markelhas0> Reading package lists... Done
[04:58] <markelhas0> Building dependency tree
[04:59] <markelhas0> Reading state information... Done
[04:59] <markelhas0> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:59] <markelhas0> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:59] <markelhas0> is only available from another source
[04:59] <markelhas0> However the following packages replace it:
[04:59] <markelhas0>   firefox
[04:59] <markelhas0> E: Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate
[04:59] <jefff> It simply won't mount.  dmesg is quite unhelpful.
[04:59] <Kim^J> markelhas0: apt-cache search firefox
[04:59] <Kim^J> jefff: Hmm..
[04:59] <Kim^J> Check if the kernel you're running have support for it?
[04:59] <jefff> all I've got in there is JFS: nTxBlock = 3014, nTxLock = 24117
[05:00] <jefff> Kim^J: Sorry, I'm not sure how to do that.  I'm using the stock edgy kernel.
[05:00] <Kim^J> Ok... Hmm
[05:00] <Kim^J> Better Google on it then.
[05:00] <Kim^J> I can't help you more.
[05:01] <jefff> Kim^J: thanks.  Of course, I made backups, but I was hoping to keep these drives intact.  It's about 400GB to transfer over 100Bt.
[05:01] <markelhas0> (Y)
[05:01] <Kr4t05> !dhcpd > Kr4t05
[05:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dhcpd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:01] <markelhas0> kim
[05:01] <Kim^J> markelhas0: Yep
[05:01] <markelhas0> sudo apt-get install firefox
[05:02] <markelhas0> :)
[05:02] <Kim^J> jefff: Rough...
[05:02] <markelhas0> downloading
[05:02] <markelhas0> thnks
[05:02] <Kim^J> markelhas0: Ahh.. They changed the package name in edgy.
[05:02] <markelhas0> hehehe
[05:04] <markelhas0> working just fine
[05:04] <markelhas0> thnks
[05:07] <jefff> Kim^J: I don't know what the deal was, but a jfs_fsck against both of those drives, followed by a mount -a seemed to bring everything up.
[05:07] <jefff> Kim^J: Thanks for listening while I bumbled through it.
[05:07] <Kim^J> jefff: Good you worked it out. =)
[05:08] <jefff> Kim^J: best way to learn
[05:08] <Kim^J> Hehe... no problems. :D
[05:08] <arthurb> Hi
[05:08] <jefff> arthurb: hi
[05:08] <arthurb> in Edgy how can I  get the moodbar to work in amarok ?
[05:10] <Kim^J> arthurb: Moodbar ?
[05:11] <arthurb> yep
[05:11] <arthurb> formally exscalibar
[05:11] <jefff> arthurb: is this a plugin, or part of Amarok?
[05:15] <arthurb> it's part of it
[05:15] <arthurb> but it needs a separate package
[05:15] <arthurb> and surprinsgly it looks like it's not in edgy
[05:16] <intelikey> anyone know what to modprobe to get udev to make the  sd  devices ?
[05:16] <intelikey> i need sda  but udev didn't make one
[05:17] <intelikey> i'd use the one in /dev/.static/dev  but it says there is no such device,  thus i conclude that a module is missing ???
[05:35] <randy> Hello.  Does anyone know if wine is available for kubuntu?
[05:37] <randy> I was trying to run DbWrench DB Designer under kubuntu and cannot get it to run
[05:38] <randy> Any clues?
[05:39] <thill2708> where would I go to learn how to write kde apps?'
[05:52] <DFM> Anyone having problems with FrostWire?
[05:59] <DFM> Randy: Sorry I was away, has anyone answered your question about wine?
[06:04] <intelikey> in #ubuntu "sethk"  said that he couldn't allow me to say such things (that it's possable to have lilo boot a system on hda)  in that channel because someone would try it and wreck their system.... hehhe
[06:22] <momal> anyone here use squid ?
[06:24] <john> hello there do you guys recommend upgrading kubuntu dapper to edgy?
[06:25] <duane> i recommend you doing a clean install
[06:26] <john> duane: thanks. is there a reason for doing fresh install i will do that just curious
[06:26] <duane> john: loads of people have had issues with upgrading from dapper to edgy
[06:26] <duane> i wouldn't risk it
[06:27] <john> k thanks
[06:29] <kroisis> how do I acces system-config-services on kubuntu?
[06:30] <kroisis> is it installed with apt?
[06:47] <ibert> john:  I had problems toowith updating
[06:58] <kroisis> greetz all
[07:11] <_paulb> dhcpd is refusing to start, anyone have any ideas for getting it to start. its on  its own vlan.
[07:13] <_paulb> syslogd says it needs a subnet declaration for eth0. how would i do this?
[07:17] <evilxsist> hello?
[07:18] <evilxsist> Hey im having some trouble with kubuntu edgy... anyone wanna help me out? im new to ubuntu....
[07:18] <_paulb> ill try
[07:18] <_paulb> what type of problems?
[07:19] <evilxsist> i just installed it about two days ago... when i boot it takes like 5 minutes bfore the lottle blu bar starts moving...
[07:19] <evilxsist> its something to do with my hd...
[07:19] <evilxsist> its an sata drive..
[07:20] <evilxsist> any ideas?
[07:20] <_paulb> is kubuntu installing?
[07:20] <evilxsist> yes...
[07:21] <intelikey> is udev needed ?
[07:21] <_paulb> then when does it stop working?
[07:21] <evilxsist> its up and running, just the boot is muffed..
[07:21] <_paulb> sorry i dont know what you mean
[07:21] <_paulb> by muffed
[07:22] <evilxsist> after it finally boots it runs fine.. just when i boot up it hangs at the beginning for like 5 mins..
[07:22] <_paulb> is it for something called fsck or disk checking?
[07:22] <intelikey> sounds like network/configuration problems evil
[07:23] <intelikey> or fsck
[07:23] <evilxsist> network is up and going...
[07:23] <evilxsist> is there any way in ubuntu to see a verbose boot?
[07:23] <intelikey> have a look in `dmesg`
[07:23] <_paulb> how big does that sata drive happen to be?
[07:23] <evilxsist> 250 gig
[07:24] <intelikey> sure hit [esc]   when you can choose the os and type vga=normal
[07:24] <_paulb> then, i dont think its fsck.
[07:24] <intelikey> on the kernel linke
[07:24] <_paulb> mine starts up in a few secs
[07:24] <intelikey> line
[07:24] <evilxsist> its a new sys still getting used to it ... lol
[07:25] <evilxsist> im gonna try verbose boot and see if i can get some more info..
[07:25] <evilxsist> Thanks all
[07:25] <intelikey> errr grub uses the [e]  key for edit  i think.
[07:25] <intelikey> [esc]  then select kernel to load and [e]  vga=normal
[07:31] <unix_infidel> anyone know of a SUPER light X server that i can run on a non production test server to make it a bit more comforatble to use.
[07:32] <intelikey> but did i misread that question ?   was he asking about booting to a console?  or about booting with normal vga so he could see what the sysem was hanging on.... ?
[07:32] <CZ> ???? connect?
[07:32] <x-demon> how i can add user Den into sudoers file?
[07:32] <intelikey> unix_infidel may i assume you mean desktop rather than server ?   "a SUPER light X server" ???
[07:33] <CZ> help me
[07:33] <CZ> SOS
[07:33] <intelikey> x-demon do you want user Den to be root jr. ?
[07:33] <x-demon> yes...
[07:33] <unix_infidel> intelikey: its basically just a non-production test box but in the sense that it is fundamentally a test box, i'd like to jump into X periodically to make the config stuff a bit more comforatble.
[07:33] <x-demon> i need sudo permission for den
[07:34] <intelikey> x-demon add him to the group adm  and/or admin
[07:34] <CZ> who is form china?
[07:34] <x-demon> how i can make this?
[07:34] <x-demon> sorry, i'm only 14 years old and from russia
[07:35] <intelikey> unix_infidel only three x servers i know of are xfree86 xorg and xgl if you can call that last one an xserver
[07:35] <unix_infidel> intelikey: i'll give it a quick google.
[07:35] <intelikey> but if you are asking about desktop environments  try  'twm'
[07:36] <unix_infidel> not de's, i'm going to be running fluxbox on top of a x server.
[07:36] <intelikey> k
[07:36] <intelikey> xorg is not heavy
[07:36] <intelikey> in retorspect
[07:36] <unix_infidel> no, its not, but i'd like to avoid it if at all possible.
[07:36] <intelikey> k
[07:37] <x-demon> intelikey, how i can add user den to administrators group?
[07:38] <intelikey> x-demon you edit the file /etc/group   and add  ,Den to the line describing adm / admin   or use the app    groupadd   or  usermod
[07:38] <LearningLinux> Can anyone give me a recomendation for a good resource to learn about Linux?  I know that the Ubuntu forums are great, but too much problem/solution information.  I want just general how to and "tutorial" style resources.
[07:38] <intelikey> rute
[07:39] <intelikey> rutebook  maybe in repos
[07:39] <intelikey> !rute
[07:39] <ubotu> documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com
[07:39] <intelikey> !rutebook
[07:39] <ubotu> rutebook: Linux: Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition, an online book. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (edgy), package size 5468 kB, installed size 8264 kB
[07:39] <intelikey> LearningLinux there ya go.
[07:40] <LearningLinux> kewl    thanks
[07:40] <x-demon> adm:x:1001:den
[07:40] <intelikey> yeah
[07:41] <thyko> how do i TOTALLY uninstall a package and all recomended packages that came with it using aptitude?
[07:41] <xsist> ok checked a few times...
[07:42] <intelikey> can be several users there x-demon  adm:x:1001:den,joe,tom,super_stump    but i don't advise anyone using  the   root jr.   system.
[07:42] <x-demon> ok
[07:42] <x-demon> thx
[07:42] <thyko> any ideas?
[07:43] <xsist> its checking for sata1 wich it finds and then moves on to sata 2 3 and 4.... those it hangs on searcheng for a response that it wont get... there are no drives on those ...
[07:43] <intelikey> i don't like aptitude so i have no clue.
[07:43] <thyko> ok, not using aptitude then?
[07:44] <xsist> on boot up i mean...
[07:44] <xsist>  any ideas how to get edgy to not search them... or atleast do it qickley
[07:45] <xsist> ok nvrmnd...
[07:45] <intelikey> xsist yeah.... hmmm probably befor the initramfs drops out... you'd have to build a new initramfs.img to fix that and it would have to omit searching for those.....   not sure i'd want to go that route.
[07:46] <CZ> i'cann't connect ubuntu-cn...555555555555
[07:47] <CZ> ai....
[07:47] <xsist> ok im back...
[07:47] <intelikey> thyko aptitude can do that.  but i haven't played with it enough to tell you how.   i don't know it if apt can  dpkg might.   adept probably can  but i don't use it either.
[07:47] <intelikey> xsist yeah.... hmmm probably befor the initramfs drops out... you'd have to build a new initramfs.img to fix that and it would have to omit searching for those.....   not sure i'd want to go that route.
[07:48] <intelikey> as i was typing while you were leaving....
[07:48] <xsist> thought had wron channel...
[07:48] <xsist> not trying to be rude...
[07:48] <intelikey> yeah it's pretty quiet in here today.
[07:49] <xsist> so any thoughts on why its taking so long to search those?
[07:50] <intelikey> yes it's having to time out.   as in 'basicly thinking they may need up to XXX seconds to respond'  which should not be so....    like i was saying it's probably in the initramfs.img
[07:51] <xsist> sorry wrong window..
[07:51] <xsist> havng a hard time staying coherent...
[07:51] <xsist> lol
[07:51] <intelikey> that's where most hardware is detected. (initramfs.img)
[07:51] <xsist> maybe i should pick this up tomarrow..
[07:51] <intelikey> might be advisable.
[07:51] <xsist> lol
[07:52] <intelikey> use your hat rack for something besides a beer funnel   :)
[07:53] <xsist> hmmm. is ther any way around this one besides rebuilding that .img?
[07:53] <intelikey> not if indeed that's where it's happening.
[07:53] <xsist> oh.
[07:54] <xsist> grr...
[07:54] <intelikey> cause any args will also omit the 0 as well as 1 2 3
[07:54] <intelikey> which i'm sure you don't want.
[07:55] <xsist> ok so google time for initramfs.img...
[07:55] <xsist> never played with one before how hard would it be to rebuild?
[07:55] <intelikey> not hard.   you just set up the configs and issue a command.
[07:56] <xsist> cool.
[07:56] <xsist> im new to debian based ...
[07:57] <xsist> been using mandriva. finally got tired of broken apps and such..
[07:57] <intelikey> the only hard part is finding the hay stack that actually contains the needle.....   that is to say exactly what script to change.
[07:57] <xsist> :)
[07:58] <xsist> ok definatlely going to get sleep 1st...
[07:58] <intelikey> yeah. i liked mandrake but imo they went down hill when they changed the name.
[07:58] <xsist> 2007...
[07:58] <intelikey> 2005
[07:59] <xsist> wow.. forgot the rest of that sentence...
[07:59] <xsist> ok i need sleep...
[07:59] <xsist> thanks man...
[07:59] <intelikey> a knee time
[07:59] <xsist> ill be back tomarrow...
[08:06] <intelikey> interesting  setting proccess limits in /etc/security/limits.conf works for all login shells but not if a tty is opened by something non-login.  and setting  ulimit -u  in /etc/profile works for bash and sh shells unless the user has a ~/.profile that doesn't load the one in /etc   so it seems there is no way to force a limit on the number of processes a shell may have....
[08:07] <intelikey> or perhaps i should say i know not a way...
[08:08] <DFM> Can anyone tell me how to roll back an update? I done one earlier and it had an update for nvidia and now I have no display of the openGL screensaver nad anything 3d just give's sound then closes after a few seconds.
[08:08] <intelikey> dfm just reinstall your nvidia driver
[08:09] <intelikey> !nv
[08:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:09] <enyawix> how is Edgy?
[08:09] <DFM> will I keep getting the update notification for it?
[08:09] <redtricycle> i can't shutdown from gui in edgy -_-
[08:09] <redtricycle> need to go through konsole after I log off or something
[08:10] <enyawix> dapper felles incomplete
[08:10] <intelikey> yeah dapper stinks.
[08:10] <intelikey> edgy smells even worse.
[08:11] <intelikey> :)
[08:11] <enyawix> what is the issue
[08:12] <enyawix> no 3d limited video support many missing apps
[08:12] <enyawix> firestarter is broken
[08:13] <enyawix> but works if i build it by hand
[08:13] <intelikey> firestarter ???        i just use quicktables to script the writing of iptables rules
[08:15] <enyawix> i like the log viewer in firestarter
[08:15] <unknown> aaa
[08:16] <enyawix> no flash in firefox :(
[08:16] <wanki> abc
[08:16] <enyawix> most formats will not work in xine
[08:17] <intelikey> oh contrare
[08:17] <intelikey> most will but the propritary ones require codecs
[08:17] <enyawix> no avi no divx
[08:18] <intelikey> that's not at all a linux failing
[08:18] <intelikey> !freeformats
[08:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:18] <enyawix> it works in other distro
[08:18] <intelikey> linux is linux  if it works in blah it will work in blah.
[08:19] <intelikey> how to get it too may be an issue.  but not if it will...
[08:19] <enyawix> so i divx packaged?
[08:20] <intelikey> ? i = is ?
[08:20] <intelikey> !divx
[08:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:21] <enyawix> ok nice reading now
[08:21] <intelikey> seems that the infonode points to the same codec and license information as for all other "propritary" formats.
[08:24] <enyawix> i dd not see the free quake package
[08:24] <enyawix> i know quake3 is open now
[08:24] <intelikey> dd if=/dev/random
[08:25] <intelikey> !quake
[08:25] <ubotu> Quake runs natively under linux see http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/quake4/ for details
[08:25] <enyawix> that is quake4
[08:26] <enyawix> i want the free stuff
[08:26] <intelikey> i'm not a gammer i wouldn't know 1 from 4 nor be able to tell you what any of them were by looking at the running app
[08:27] <enyawix> ok
[08:28] <enyawix> http://icculus.org/quake3/
[08:28] <enyawix> that is what i want
[08:28] <enyawix> !icculus
[08:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icculus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:28] <enyawix> k
[08:29] <enyawix> !quake3
[08:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quake3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:29] <enyawix> k
[08:29] <intelikey> enyawix quote from the first paragraph of the page  |" August 20,  2005 under  the GPL.  "   so dl the source and build it.
[08:30] <enyawix> but that is like running gentoo i installed this to not build source all day
[08:32] <intelikey> !quake2
[08:32] <enyawix> !flash
[08:32] <ubotu> quake2: improved version of id Software's Quake II engine. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:0.3-1.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1240 kB, installed size 3144 kB
[08:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:36] <enyawix> !linuxsampler
[08:36] <ubotu> linuxsampler: realtime audio sampler. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.2.99+0.3.3-cvs-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 310 kB, installed size 916 kB
[08:37] <enyawix> ?
[08:40] <Zaire> k this is gonna sound stupid but somehow Ive replaced my default window manager with vlc lol
[08:40] <intelikey> Zaire have you or have you just got vlc in full screen mode hiding everything else
[08:41] <Zaire> no like seriously I somehow got it so when I try to even open my home directory it opens vlc
[08:41] <Zaire> not sure how I managed that lol
[08:41] <intelikey> if you have vlc as the wm   check  ~/.wmrc   ~/.?session
[08:42] <Zaire> command not found
[08:43] <Zaire> wow when I try to open the trash it says malformed url
[08:44] <xsacha> hah
[08:44] <enyawix> nfs also has issues
[08:44] <Zaire> I would like to know how I did this lol and how to undo it
[08:45] <intelikey> Zaire did you check the two files i mentioned ?
[08:45] <Zaire> I know this much it happened after I tried to get vlc in the menu that pops up when you insert cd's so I could open DVD's straight into vlc
[08:46] <Zaire> I don't even know how to check them
[08:47] <intelikey> from a file manager/browser   from a text editor or   from any command prompt (shell)
[08:47] <intelikey> shell  cat ~/.dmrc
[08:47] <intelikey> shell  cat ~/.?session
[08:48] <intelikey> text editor open them.    same for browser
[08:48] <Zaire> dmrc just has this in it
[08:48] <Zaire> [Desktop] 
[08:48] <Zaire> Session=default
[08:48] <intelikey> k
[08:49] <Zaire> session opens my home directory
[08:49] <intelikey>  cat ~/.?session
[08:50] <Zaire> no such file or directory
[08:50] <Mike2k6> whats a good mud client for kubuntu?
[08:50] <intelikey> ok then i don't think that vlc is the wm  it maybe running in the base window of the de though.
[08:51] <intelikey> kcontrol  should be able to get you streight.
[08:51] <Zaire> ?
[08:51] <intelikey> !mud
[08:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mud - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:51] <intelikey> !news
[08:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about news - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:52] <intelikey> !mail
[08:52] <ubotu> mail is another medium to communicate. Ubuntu mailinglists can be found at http://lists.ubuntu.com
[08:52] <intelikey> Mike2k6 idk.  what are you looking for prezactly ?
[08:52] <Mike2k6> intelikey, auto mapper, pretty colors
[08:53] <x-demon> !kompile
[08:53] <ubotu> kompile: interface for compilation automation for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3~beta2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 170 kB, installed size 904 kB
[08:53] <x-demon> hey guys, i need help
[08:53] <x-demon> i see that my kdesu is broken
[08:53] <x-demon> but i cant find it on repos
[08:53] <intelikey> x-demon sudo echo working
[08:54] <x-demon> kompile needs kdesu working
[08:54] <Zaire> so how do I fix my problem
[08:54] <intelikey> Zaire open kcontrol
[08:54] <Zaire> where is that
[08:54] <intelikey> start looking around    i'm sure you can find it.
[08:55] <x-demon> intelikey, sudo echo
[08:55] <x-demon> working
[08:55] <intelikey> [alt] +[f2]   type in kcontrol Zaire
[08:56] <intelikey> x-demon if it echos working back at you then it's not broken.    you can run it on kdesu echo working     as well
[08:57] <ishah> he;;ppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
[08:58] <ishah> helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[08:58] <ishah> any who
[08:59] <intelikey> :)
[08:59] <ishah> hello nay alive??????????????//
[09:00] <Zaire> ok really doesn't help when I have no clue what Im supposed to be looking for or at
[09:00] <jsgotangco> ishah: hey there dude
[09:00] <andrea> HI!
[09:00] <intelikey> Zaire i would assume something to do with desktop
[09:00] <andrea> I'm a new IRC utens
[09:01] <andrea> I'm an Italian boy...
[09:01] <intelikey> well that's nice.
[09:01] <Zaire> you would think that wouldn't you
[09:01] <ishah> hey help me im also new??
[09:02] <ishah> can any buddy help me
[09:02] <ravencrow> I'm a german boy oh my
[09:02] <andrea> fuck...
[09:03] <Zaire> Ive checked under window behavior and I can't see anything about program affiliations
[09:03] <intelikey> not window behaviour
[09:03] <intelikey> let me start kde and look.
[09:04] <ravencrow> i can look
[09:04] <Zaire> I don't thinks theres a thing in linux Ive had difficulty breaking and not to many things I haven't broken lol
[09:04] <intelikey> congrats...
[09:05] <intelikey> most have trubble breaking bash.
[09:05] <ravencrow> well there is 'default applications' under personal
[09:05] <ravencrow> hmm
[09:05] <Zaire> if it can be done then I can break it
[09:06] <draik> How do I set up my hostname?
[09:06] <draik> I currently have draik@localhost
[09:06] <ravencrow> under network settings in the system settings application
[09:07] <ravencrow> and 'domain name system'
[09:07] <Zaire> perhaps I should just try uninstalling vlc
[09:07] <sinux> Hi evreybody, im with kubuntu Dapper. I would like to pass internet via ethernet to an osX. I configured to give a DHCP number. But i dont know how to pas internet service ...
[09:08] <Zaire> well gave me a clearer error to go by lol
[09:08] <Zaire> KDEInit could not launch 'wxvlc'.:
[09:08] <Zaire> Could not find 'wxvlc' executable.
[09:08] <Zaire> thats from trying to open my home directory
[09:09] <intelikey> Zaire have a look in kcontrol > kde components > sesson manager & service manager
[09:11] <Zaire> I can't see anything that would involve changing the window manager
[09:11] <draik> ravencrow: It shows my hostname, but SuperKaramba does not. SystemCheck specifically
[09:12] <sinux>  Hi evreybody, im with kubuntu Dapper. I would like to pass internet via ethernet to an osX. I configured to give a DHCP number. But i dont know how to pass thr internet service ...
[09:12] <Zaire> would the setting currently selected(restore previous session) keep the issue re-occuring?
[09:16] <intelikey> Zaire yes it could
[09:17] <Zaire> hmm maybe I should select start with empty session...previous kinda annoys me anyway takes longer to load
[09:17] <intelikey> oh how utterly grotesk.   kde is whining about dbus not being running and taking for ever and a day to do anything.
[09:18] <Zaire> lol brb
[09:19] <ravencrow> kde > my mom
[09:27] <momal> hmm is it possible to use the mount command with an mds/mdf file? or how can i convert that to an iso ?
[09:28] <thyko> apache2 seems not to have a httpd.conf. Was it renamed to something else or what?
[09:29] <intelikey> thyko moved maybe ?  /etc/apache2/  ???  idk.
[09:36] <Electrolyte> Why on Earth won't the KDE wallet save my passwords?
[09:36] <Electrolyte> Opening Kopete and having to type in 4 passwords is really starting to tick me off :/
[09:36] <momal> make sure kde wallet shutsdown properly and kde if you logout/reboot/shutdown
[09:37] <Electrolyte> I have.
[09:37] <momal> if kde crashes or you restart X it doesn't seem to save what was saved in kde wallet
[09:37] <Electrolyte> Multiple times I've logged out correctly.
[09:37] <momal> hmm
[09:37] <Electrolyte> Kopete causes the kdewallet password to come up, it opens, then I get kopete asking me for 4 passwords.
[09:37] <momal> you click the save password box im assuming as well ?
[09:37] <Electrolyte> Yes.
[09:38] <Electrolyte> KMail and Konqueror also keep asking me for passwords.
[09:38] <kraut> moin
[09:39] <intelikey> Electrolyte i think there is a bug report on that.
[09:40] <Electrolyte> Ah.
[09:40] <intelikey> kraut say.
[09:40] <Electrolyte> I'm on the 64-bit version too.
[09:41] <Electrolyte> I thought I had an update for fglrx this morning too.
[09:41] <Electrolyte> Until I realised i was just downloading the exact same version, with the same kernel :/
[09:42] <intelikey> yeah from what i've been reading in here.  i'm not impressed with the nervos salamander
[09:45] <ishah> HELLO
[09:45] <ishah> ANY buddy alive?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????///
[09:45] <ishah> helooooooooooooooo
[09:45] <ravencrow> no
[09:45] <ravencrow> i died
[09:45] <abattoir> ishah: yes, there are 268 people here
[09:46] <abattoir> ishah: ask your question, if you have any, and be patient :)
[09:46] <ishah> where r they?
[09:46] <abattoir> (other than is anybody alive, of course)
[09:46] <bLaZeD> when is source of matic gonna include edgy repos?
[09:46] <ishah> ya sorry im new hare
[09:46] <bLaZeD> *source o matic
[09:48] <ishah> hay any one know about DRBD
[09:52] <momal> hmm is it possible to use the mount command with an mds/mdf file? or how can i convert that to an iso ?
[10:04] <sinux>  Hi evreybody, im with kubuntu Dapper. I would like to pass internet via ethernet to an osX. I configured to give a DHCP number. But i dont know how to pas internet service ...
[10:05] <intelikey> sinux have you asked in ##linux  maybe someone in there could help you.
[10:05] <Ace2016> hi all
[10:06] <Ace2016> what is beryl? seems to be like compiz, do they both run on xgl? and which is better?
[10:07] <Electrolyte> I think beryl is the "newer" compiz and it works on XGL.
[10:08] <Ace2016> so is it better?
[10:08] <Ace2016> its hard to find info on it
[10:08] <intelikey> !beryl
[10:08] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/  -  Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl.
[10:08] <intelikey> !compiz
[10:08] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:09] <Ace2016> thanks i'll have a read of those
[10:09] <markowka> are a german here?
[10:11] <spahija> hi guys any idea how to update/change refresh frequencies for my IGP 320 ATI card
[10:13] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg     or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf    take your pick.
[10:13] <Ash-Fox> !flash
[10:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:14] <spahija> intelikey, I tried with dpkg and ended up with no working X
[10:14] <spahija> can I add Option refresh rate ?
[10:16] <intelikey> the rates are already there.  just adjust to your hardware specs.    man xorg.conf
[10:16] <spahija> intelikey, hm... looking
[10:18] <intelikey> spahija do you know the vert/horiz rates for your monitor ?
[10:18] <spahija> intelikey, its LCD laptop...
[10:18] <intelikey> do you know the rates ?
[10:19] <spahija> intelikey, nope..looking for then online
[10:19] <spahija> its old amilo 6600 fujitsu siemens laptop
[10:20] <intelikey> http://monitorworld.com  might list it.
[10:20] <spahija> intelikey, great ..looking
[10:21] <spahija> intelikey, no luck but I believe that all LCD are the sane
[10:21] <spahija> same
[10:24] <spahija> testing
[10:25] <intelikey> hah i was lagging for an hour, and when i finally stop lagging the lag meter on the irc client moves from zero to 17 seconds.....   ha ha ha ha
[10:25] <intelikey> back to 0 now....
[10:25] <method|> why is adept updater requesting that i remove nvidia-glx?
[10:25] <method|> wtf?
[10:25] <momal> umount: /media/cdrom0 mount disagrees with the fstab | :S how do i stop that error happening ?
[10:26] <intelikey> momal edit fstab
[10:26] <intelikey> ?
[10:27] <momal> there isn't anything in fstab that has to do with cdrom :S
[10:27] <xsacha> add it :D
[10:27] <momal> but add what though ?
[10:27] <xsacha> well a line for cdrom?
[10:27] <intelikey> momal do   mount    and see what the line with /media/cdrom0  says and then sudo kate /etc/fstab     and fix it.
[10:28] <xsacha> eg. /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,user=xsacha)
[10:28] <ehird> how do i make Qt apps use my font settings? no antialiasing right now so it looks fugly
[10:29] <intelikey> xsacha which would translate to; /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user=xsacha 0 0
[10:30] <xsacha> well the =xsacha isnt needed in fstab .. only 1 user
[10:30] <intelikey> maybe with a noauto thrown in for good measure
[10:31] <momal> hmm.. how can i mount an image so the system see's it as the cdrom. I want to get a cd image to work with cedega
[10:32] <intelikey> and yeah i did copy too far in the parenthetical
[10:32] <enzo_> For everyone on Edgy, how long did it take for the full upgrade via "sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade"?
[10:32] <intelikey> momal mount -o loop image.iso /media/cdrom0       might work
[10:32] <skiy> Hi Folks, I almost feel bad asking for help but y'all my last hope :) Kubuntu has a bug where the installer insists my /boot partition is xfs, even when it is ext2 :(
[10:33] <intelikey> as root or root jr. of course.
[10:33] <esben> enzo_: Dunno, 1 hour?
[10:33] <momal> tried that and thats what ended up giving that message from umount
[10:34] <enzo_> esben: Ok. I just have the ETC jumping all over the place
[10:34] <darius> hello
[10:35] <esben> enzo_: Mine were steady as a rock, I think I hit a good time :)
[10:35] <enzo_> esben: I'm currently looking at ~3h
[10:35] <esben> enzo_: What is the download speed?
[10:35] <darius> i have a question @ all... i'm have a little problem with my kubuntu
[10:35] <enzo_> at ~110kB/s
[10:35] <intelikey> momal message from umount.   umount /media/cdrom0   ?
[10:36] <momal> umount: /media/cdrom0 mount disagrees with the fstab
[10:36] <intelikey> hehhe that's qute
[10:36] <enzo_> esben: at ~110kB/s
[10:36] <esben> enzo_: I was about 350 Kb/s, so 3hours sound about right
[10:37] <intelikey> well ya did it as root momal ?
[10:37] <enzo_> esben: now I'm down to just under 70kB/s
[10:37] <momal> yea
[10:37] <momal> oh wiat
[10:37] <momal> there we go
[10:37] <momal> seems to unmount now
[10:37] <Arafangion> Hello, I'm running Ubuntu, but with KDE.
[10:37] <esben> enzo_: I think I was lucky and hit the servers at some quiet period. Have patience, it's worth it :)
[10:37] <Arafangion> How do I adjust the sound?
[10:37] <darius> does anybody know how i can switch dektop resolution without the "System Control"? Everytime I start "System Control" and go to "Monitor and Disply" It tells me it can't load the module.
[10:38] <Arafangion> #ubuntu is ignoring me :(
[10:38] <enzo_> esben: I am following the instructions that I found from the wiki to upgrade to Edgy...
[10:38] <enzo_> esben: I had a few issues. I bypassed them and went on to the next step
[10:38] <esben> enzo_: I had to do a apt-get install -f to get it all running
[10:38] <intelikey> darius set the default in /etc/X11/xorg.conf  ???
[10:39] <intelikey> Arafangion kmix
[10:39] <enzo_> esben: I did that and still no go
[10:39] <intelikey> Arafangion or alsamixer
[10:39] <esben> enzo_: What happens? Not that I'm any expert
[10:39] <enzo_> dependencies
[10:39] <enzo_> esben: dependencies
[10:40] <Arafangion> intelikey: Interesting, neither work.
[10:40] <enzo_> esben: kubuntu-desktop and xorg are my only 2 that would give me issues
[10:40] <esben> enzo_: What dependencies? Those 2 are sort of important :o)
[10:41] <enzo_> I know they are
[10:41] <enzo_> esben: I know they are. I will replicate in just a sec
[10:41] <esben> kk
 esben: I am following the instructions that I found from the wiki to upgrade to Edgy..<enzo_> esben: I had a few issues. I bypassed them and went on to the next step <--- what exactly about that is it that spells "it aint gonna work bubba !!! "  ?
[10:41] <Arafangion> intelikey: Ok, /something/ I ran in the past hour appears to have enabled the keyboard bindings to sound.
[10:42] <Arafangion> How do I identify the process that I see on the screen?
[10:42] <enzo_> intelikey: I know. I'm skipping those special packages to after the dist-upgrade and try again
[10:43] <magicmike> My display size was set to 1280x768. When I booted this morning it's now 640x480. I am aware of how to change the display settings however the slider control will not move from the 640x480 position. I am in the administrator mode.
[10:43] <Arafangion> Found it - xwininfo was the tool.
[10:45] <enzo_> intelikey: Do you think that would matter? Order-wise
[10:45] <magicmike> Any help in this matter?
[10:46] <intelikey> enzo_ which packages ?
[10:47] <enzo_> intelikey: hpijs kde-guidance kde-guidance-powermanager upstart kubuntu-desktop xorg x11-common xserver-xorg
[10:47] <intelikey> enzo_ kubuntu-desktop   yes.  there is a reason they say "be sure kubuntu-desktop is installed BEFORE you upgrade"  don't ya think ???
[10:48] <enzo_> intelikey: so should I terminate the upgrade and upgrade those packages first?
[10:49] <intelikey> enzo_ prolly kubuntu-desktop....  but   i'm more inclined to remove everything possable first tho.   but i've been hearing lots of horror stories in here of how borked the upgrade is.
[10:50] <intelikey> i'll stick with the LTS thanks just the same....
[10:50] <enzo_> intelikey: I wish I would have known that... I've heard nothing but "lengthy, but worth it"
[10:51] <Zaire> ok slight prob...apt won't let me install the nvidia driver
[10:51] <intelikey> oh that's all you ever hear out of used car sales men
[10:51] <enzo_> hmmm
[10:51] <enzo_> I guess I'm up shiite creek without my paddle
[10:52] <Arafangion> enzo_: It could be worse.
[10:52] <Zaire> I can't install the nvidia driver
[10:52] <magicmike> Yo enzo, is this still a support channel?
[10:53] <intelikey> magicmike only on tuesdays i think
[10:53] <intelikey> :)
[10:53] <momal> anyone here have photoshop cs2 running under ubuntu ?
[10:53] <enzo_> magicmike: other than those ending in -day
[10:53] <skiy> Zaire: what error do you get?
[10:53] <Zaire> it should be getting the driver for amaranth
[10:53] <magicmike> You guys are really funny.
[10:53] <skiy> momal: by what method? Wine?
[10:53] <intelikey> thank you.
[10:54] <enzo_> they try
[10:54] <momal> skiy: yea... unless there is another way to run it :p
[10:54] <skiy> momal: It's not yet supported under Wine or crossover, the only option is Win4Lin or VMWare
[10:54] <intelikey> momal vmware
[10:54] <Electrolyte> [09:53:10]  <intelikey> magicmike only on tuesdays i think <-- Hahaha.
[10:54] <ehird> how do i make Qt apps use my font settings? no antialiasing right now so it looks fugly
[10:55] <Arafangion> ehird: At least it's readable.
[10:55] <momal> skiy: ahh i see yea was just curious if it ran under wine... yea i currently run it through xp under vmware just annoying to have to start all that up :p
[10:55] <magicmike> Thanks for nothing.
[10:55] <Arafangion> magicmike: Hmm?
[10:55] <ehird> Arafangion: I use subpxiel antialiasing on this TFT and with full hinting it looks fine. So there.
[10:55] <enzo_> brrr?
[10:56] <intelikey> magicmike mmm you the one with the display problem
[10:56] <Arafangion> ehird: You can get that, however nearly all distros will disable it because it's patented.
[10:56] <magicmike> Yes, I am.
[10:57] <Arafangion> ehird: The hinting I'll agree is very good, but I disagree that AA improves the font appearance, unless the font is significantly large compared to teh screen density.
[10:57] <skiy> Zaire: amaranth?
[10:57] <intelikey> magicmike bout all i can say is have you reconfigured xorg ?
[10:57] <ehird> Arafangion: Um, I am using it right here on Kubuntu. But it doesn't work with Qt apps. Only KDE apps.
[10:57] <magicmike> I have done nothing with xorg.
[10:57] <Arafangion> ehird: Such as?
[10:57] <Zaire> yea the beta driver used with aiglx
[10:58] <ehird> Arafangion: Ah, shit. I meant GTK apps :P
[10:58] <intelikey> magicmike i don't know any reason it would do that.
[10:58] <Arafangion> ehird: Ahh, perhaps you need to upgrade your pango libs and/or change the GTK theme.
[10:58] <magicmike> Okay. Thanks for at least acknowledging me.
[10:58] <ehird> Arafangion: tried changing the theme, are pango libs in a package?
[10:58] <Arafangion> magicmike: We did, you just failed to ask a question.
[10:59] <Arafangion> ehird: Yes, but I'm not sure if you'll get a packaged version with the hinting.
[10:59] <enzo_> !ask | magicmike
[10:59] <ubotu> magicmike: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:59] <ehird> Arafangion: hm. It's just, there's a GTK Styles and Fonts tabs but it has no mention of fonts
[10:59] <ehird> I'm probably dumb but I can't see why if GTK apps can use the KDE style they can't use the antialiasing settings
[11:00] <intelikey> magicmike you could drop to a console, login; sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop && sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  && sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[11:00] <magicmike> Any help in this matter was the question asked.
[11:00] <Arafangion> ehird: They're _completely_ different gui toolkits.
[11:00] <Zaire> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:00] <Zaire>   nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.9625
[11:00] <Arafangion> ehird: Just about teh only thing in common is that they both tend to use X11.
[11:00] <ehird> Arafangion: Yes, but KDE seems to intercept what GTK does when running it, so..
[11:00] <magicmike> Thanks intelikey. I'll try that.
[11:00] <Arafangion> ehird: What makes you say that?
[11:00] <intelikey> enzo_ he did ask.
[11:01] <enzo_> intelikey: I'm currently package 370 of 1111
[11:01] <intelikey> enzo_ in the dl process ?
[11:01] <enzo_> intelikey: sorry, I was going back and forth with my desktop's upgrade... yes, with the dl
[11:01] <Arafangion> intelikey: Yes, but it is common knowledge that we only have 4 minute memories.
[11:01] <ehird> Arafangion: being able to switch its themes, and use KDE font settings (although, as i sya, it seems to ignore antialiasing)
[11:02] <Arafangion> ehird: That's more the case of environment variables, etc.
[11:02] <foxhound31> got problems with the installer
[11:02] <foxhound31> can anyone help
[11:02] <Zaire> oh my god I got the damn dependency and it still gives me that error
[11:02] <intelikey> enzo_ you could kill that at any point while it's still dling   and when you are ready the dl will resume.  just don't clear the apt cache
[11:02] <Arafangion> ehird: I gotta go get some food.
[11:02] <foxhound31> wont create a root
[11:02] <intelikey> Arafangion what's that ?
[11:03] <enzo_> intelikey: how do I properly terminate? I don't want to delete my apt cache.
[11:03] <Arafangion> intelikey: I'm thinking Nachos today :)
[11:03] <intelikey> :)
[11:03] <intelikey> enzo_ apt-get   use ^C
[11:03] <intelikey> adept use the close window button i think.
[11:03] <intelikey> [x] 
[11:04] <Arafangion> Or even xkill
[11:04] <enzo_> I'm using apt-get on yakuake... ^C works
[11:04] <Arafangion> magicmike: If you lie, you can run screen
[11:04] <intelikey> yep
[11:04] <Arafangion> magicmike: screen -U
[11:04] <Arafangion> magicmike: Then in there, run irssi -c irc.freenode.net -n magicmike
[11:05] <intelikey> i sure hope that's a typo  "<Arafangion> magicmike: If you lie, you can run screen"
[11:05] <Arafangion> magicmike: That way when you kill X11 again, etc, you can just type screen -rdU and be back in without reconnecting, etc.
[11:05] <method|> why is adept updater requesting that i remove nvidia-glx?
[11:05] <magicmike> intelikey: I had to reboot.
[11:05] <method|> anyone else getting that notification?
[11:05] <magicmike> When I did the first sudo command it went to a blank screen.
[11:06] <enzo_> intelikey: Ok, so how what do I type in order to get ONLY the packages that I want to dl and install right now?
[11:06] <intelikey> magicmike i seriously doubt that you "had" to reboot.   this is not that M$ reboot os......
[11:07] <rahmetli> can we say ubuntu has a better performance just because it uses GNOME?
[11:07] <cpk1> Sysinfo for 'snoresqueeze': Linux 2.6.15-27-686 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU2.40GHz at 2400 MHz (4806 bogomips), , RAM: 1017/1263MB, 109 proc's, 16.4d up
[11:07] <cpk1> only 16days =\
[11:07] <intelikey> enzo_ you'll have to undo the sources.list changes and "sudo apt-get update "     then "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-base"
[11:07] <ehird> rahmetli: kde is faster than gnome, for me at least and a few others have reported similarly
[11:08] <ehird> or rather, it CAN be faster
[11:08] <cpk1> they are both bloated
[11:08] <ehird> and IS out of the box for most machines
[11:08] <ehird> cpk1: well, they both have useful features
[11:08] <ehird> i wouldn't say they're bloated though, just a tad
[11:08] <enzo_> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30142/
[11:08] <cpk1> if you wanted a lean desktop enviroment you would go with fluxbox or xfce
[11:09] <intelikey> enzo_ that does NOT gurentee a faultless upgrade but it does highten your chances somewhat.
[11:09] <intelikey> enzo_ ok looking
[11:09] <Arafangion> rahmetli: No, though historically due to the immaturity of the C++ ABI and linker, KDE used to be slower.
[11:09] <ehird> kde isn't lightweight but it's not bloated
[11:10] <ehird> in MY opinion, gnome is quite amusing: its striving for simplicity made it a little bloated
[11:10] <intelikey> yeah kde is bloated by default.... but can be lighter than gnome even when gnome is trimmed
[11:11] <intelikey> enzo_ that's with the dapper sources.list ?
[11:11] <enzo_> intelikey: edgy
[11:11] <enzo_> dapper won't give me any upgrades
[11:12] <intelikey> enzo_ but first install the meta packages i listed with the dapper sources.list then change to edgy and do the dist-upgrade.
[11:12] <sloef> Hi guys
[11:12] <enzo_> intelikey: ok, will do
[11:12] <rahmetli> do you know any site that i can find performance tips for kubuntu?
[11:12] <momal> is it possible to make konsole transparent for the background? (and show the windows under it not just the wallpaper)
[11:13] <enzo_> but I don't think that I will be able to get kubuntu-desktop or xorg due to dependency issues
[11:13] <sloef> I'm having trouble booting the edgy 2.6.17 kernel, so I keep my 2.6.15, but how/where can I compile the nvidia drivers for my kernel?
[11:13] <intelikey> momal possable    why sure it's possable, this is linux.
[11:13] <sloef> btw. Is there some kind of "cleanup" script which removes all redundant packages left from dapper ?
[11:14] <intelikey> momal but i don't know howto.
[11:14] <momal> intelikey: lol.. then how?..
[11:14] <momal> ... lol
[11:14] <momal> I can get it to transparency the background but i want it to show the windows as well :p
[11:14] <sloef> because I believe 2.4 G for a linux install is quite huge
[11:14] <fkm> Hi there. Is it possible to turn off the tabs in Konqueror (filebrowser) or at least put them at the bottom of the window?
[11:14] <intelikey> sloef no it's not.
[11:15] <intelikey> hoary was 1.7 default.  year and a half ago.
[11:15] <intelikey> 2.4 if you've added anything is not over sized at all.
[11:15] <sloef> intelikey: it's not? (I remember the days where a complete working graphical linux system was about 70MB)
[11:15] <enzo_> intelikey: What were the meta packages?
[11:16] <ehird> any ideas about my qt text niggle?
[11:16] <cpk1> sloef: you could always get damn small linux then =)
[11:16] <enzo_> I understand kubuntu-desktop, but not the other 2
[11:17] <intelikey> ehird !i
[11:17] <ehird> !i
[11:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:17] <ehird> o.o
[11:17] <intelikey> enzo_ trusssssss me
[11:17] <intelikey> ehird ! == not    i == /me
[11:18] <enzo_> intelikey: ok. I did that and all 3 say "already latest version"
[11:18] <enzo_> this is in dapper
[11:18] <sloef> btw. Does anyone know if/when the kernel will be upgraded to 2.6.18 ? ... I just can't my 2.6.17 to boot. (it somehow gets into a loop when it tries to initialise my ide controller)
[11:18] <intelikey> enzo_ ok i'll let you get right back to the dist-upgrade
[11:18] <enzo_> ok
[11:18] <intelikey> enzo_ and good luck with it.
[11:19] <intelikey> it should work....     hehhe  for what ever that's worth.
[11:19] <ehird> intelikey: that made no sense at all
[11:20] <intelikey> ehird good that means you have no geek bone in your body atm.
[11:20] <ehird> intelikey: no, i just hve  lack of brevition tolernce
[11:20] <ehird> Y.
[11:20] <rahmetli> do you know any site that i can find performance tips for kubuntu?
[11:21] <cpk1> rahmetli: kubuntu.org might be a good place to start?
[11:21] <enzo_> intelikey: what about the removal of    sysvinit  ?
[11:21] <Arafangion> sloef: You mean, with Kubuntu, or Linux in general?
[11:21] <ibert> hey! a tar question: how do I prevent, that tar mirrors the whole path in an archive. I just want that the dir where the files are is the root of the tar-archive.
[11:22] <rahmetli> i have started from there about 1 month ago.
[11:22] <intelikey> ehird it's bash code.   but lets move on.
[11:22] <ehird> :p
[11:22] <intelikey> enzo_ edgy doesn't use sysvinit it uses upstart
[11:22] <Arafangion> intelikey: What's upstart like?
[11:23] <intelikey> Arafangion idk
[11:23] <Arafangion> idk?
[11:23] <intelikey> never seen it.
[11:23] <magicmike> * Arafangion only has to ever reboot when he does crap with valgrind, C, and a certain ATI driver.
[11:23] <sloef> Arafangion: Linux in general I suppose. (Although Hoary was the first time my Linux locked up completely) ... In 2 years I've lost 3 times a partition (each time 200G+ of lost data)
[11:23] <cpk1> idk = i dont know
[11:23] <intelikey> idk == i don't know
[11:23] <enzo_> intelikey: Thank you for straightening it all out for me. Much appreciated
[11:23] <magicmike> And it ia an ATI card.
[11:24] <Arafangion> sloef: I've never had a problem with Debian.
[11:24] <hh> |lostbyte|: hi
[11:24] <hh> how r u
[11:24] <intelikey> enzo_ is that cryptic for "if you would have left me alone i'd be an hour ahead of where i am now...."   ;)  ?
[11:24] <magicmike> And Linux is supposed to be more stable. What a laugh!
[11:24] <sloef> Arafangion: Debian is indeed a bit more stable than (k)ubuntu, although it's loosing quality as well (in my opinion)
[11:24] <Arafangion> sloef: How so?
[11:25] <dhq> hh:
[11:25] <dhq> |lostbyte|: you there
[11:25] <sloef> Arafangion: general feeling ... like applications crashing, (ab)using memory, ...
[11:25] <enzo_> intelikey: Not even close! I do thank you for explaining this upgrade. I have never done a dist-upgrade... I started with Kubuntu Dapper Drake since day 1 of the full release June 1, 2k6.
[11:25] <Arafangion> sloef: So, don't use those apps.
[11:26] <sloef> Arafangion: So, I can't use X, firefox, ... ?
[11:26] <sloef> kwin has crashed on me as well several times
[11:26] <sloef> so no more kde either?
[11:26] <enzo_> intelikey: says that kubuntu-desktop won't be installed due to the lack of    "digikam"  and  "hwdb-client-kde"
[11:26] <Arafangion> sloef: We are talking about Sarge?
[11:27] <enzo_> intelikey: I am doing   "sudo apt-get install -f {packages}
[11:27] <Arafangion> Damn, MS Office is planned to be $1150 now.
[11:27] <intelikey> enzo_ well your welcome.  and i apologize about the misread,  i thought i saw you say about an hour ago that kubuntu-desktop was NOT installed...
[11:27] <ehird> Arafangion: hah
[11:27] <ehird> imagine when they bundle it with their OS
[11:27] <intelikey> enzo_ mmmm   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    churned that out ?
[11:27] <enzo_> it is installed, but the dapper version
[11:27] <ehird> "Windows Vista, only $2000! Hells yeah!"
[11:28] <magicmike> Hey sloef, it's a crap-shoot. It might or it might not work.
[11:28] <sloef> Arafangion: Mostly (k)ubuntu (hoary, dapper, edgy) ... I mainly use Debian as server OS (which is currently still does perfectly)
[11:29] <WHorU> :)
[11:29] <cpk1> Arafangion: good thing open office is free
[11:29] <cpk1> and so is koffice
[11:29] <intelikey> enzo_ ?
[11:29] <Arafangion> sloef: I guess we're not even talking about Debian, let alone Sarge.
[11:29] <enzo_> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30143
[11:30] <enzo_> That's the readout from  "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[11:30] <sloef> Arafangion: It took me quite some effort to get my sound (alsa) properly working on Sarge ... i've not managed to get midi to work (which used to be just sndcfg in Redhat 7.0)
[11:30] <Arafangion> enzo_: Why does that have numbers?
[11:31] <fdoving> !upgrade | enzo_
[11:31] <ubotu> enzo_: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:31] <sloef> Arafangion: Sarge on the desktop has quite old packages
[11:31] <Arafangion> sloef: At least they're stable.
[11:31] <enzo_> fdoving, Those are the instructions that I'm following
[11:31] <nikola> hello again :)   How can I install wine on kubuntu 6.10?
[11:31] <Dzany> hello again :)   How can I install wine on kubuntu 6.10?
[11:31] <fdoving> enzo_: so, what's the problem? you'll have to contine, if you read the instructions, you'll see that kubuntu-desktop is re-installed in one of the next steps.
[11:32] <intelikey> enzo_ hmmm that's odd
[11:32] <Arafangion> Dzany: Now, nobody will help you.
[11:32] <intelikey> fdoving dist-upgrade is going to remove kubuntu-desktop
[11:32] <sloef> Arafangion: I've lost 160 G because of an upgrade in lvm (it was setup striping over 2 disks)
[11:32] <intelikey> fdoving on enzo_'s box not mine.
[11:32] <Arafangion> sloef: Why did you upgrade lvm, especially without backups?
[11:33] <sloef> Arafangion: why shouldn't I use apt-get upgrade ?
[11:33] <Arafangion> sloef: Though, this is actually a pet peave of mine in Ubuntu - it's so damn eager to upgrade the kernel. :(
[11:33] <sloef> Shouldn't break anything, right?
[11:33] <Dzany> ok.I found that adept manager and I tried to enter 'deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main' and nothing happends???
[11:33] <Arafangion> sloef: Ubuntu' upgradability sucks compared to Debian, though from what I hear, is at least as good as quite a number of other distros.
[11:34] <Arafangion> sloef: But... On a server, I never do an apt-get upgrade
[11:34] <sloef> Arafangion: Then how do you keep it current (security patches etc?)
[11:34] <Arafangion> sloef: I always instead use apt-get upgrade --dry-run instead, and carefully incrementally upgrade it.
[11:35] <intelikey> fdoving why cant they just upgrade the meta package kubuntu-desktop ?
[11:35] <intelikey> meta packages can and are versioned also ?
[11:35] <sloef> Arafangion: Everything was properly upgraded ... (it's been a while) ... but after a reboot, it didn't recognise the lvm setup anymore
[11:36] <snikker> i've a problea with small fonts for normal user, but for root it's all ok. why?
[11:36] <intelikey> fdoving was that a packaging oversight ?
[11:36] <PsySine> kubuntu uses the integrated soundcard, even though i disabled in in bios, how can i make it use my other one?
[11:36] <Arafangion> sloef: You probably upgraded the kernel, and consequently used LVM2 instead of LVM1
[11:36] <sloef> Arafangion: I've never touched lvm anymore after that ... I'm using software raid now
[11:37] <Arafangion> sloef: I'm not sure if LVM is that great, myself, for a low-mid range server.
[11:37] <sloef> Arafangion: possibly. but still no matter what happens, it shouldn't loose data ... I spent quite a long time to recover the data ... (fortunately there was not much of great importance on there anyways)
[11:37] <Arafangion> sloef: Take it up with Debian.
[11:38] <snikker> none?
[11:38] <sloef> Arafangion: it's been too long, and I did take it up with Debian at the time ... currently I have a problem with (k)ubuntu
[11:38] <canine_kouji> debian Suuuuxx ;)
[11:38] <canine_kouji> etch will come out in year 2010 ;)
[11:39] <dhq> * lolz
[11:40] <Arafangion> canine_kouji: Actually, Debian's development has increased heaps since they retired the m68k version.
[11:40] <sloef> I've been using Linux exclusively for over 3 years on my personal desktop ... and I must say XP SP2 doesn't look so bad to me. (if some of my friends would hear this, they would be very surprised) ...
[11:41] <Arafangion> sloef: I can't stand windows, as a programmer.
[11:41] <tobias> waa
[11:41] <tobias> the x word
[11:41] <intelikey> sloef can you define "doesn't look so bad" ?
[11:41] <sloef> Arafangion: I hate the lack of the cli tools a huge deficit as well (I like perl as well for scripting)
[11:42] <Arafangion> sloef: Though, MS has recently hidden the EULA for vista, (So it's quite hard to find now), and grudgingly allowed people to reinstall it more than once.
[11:42] <ehird> solef: YIKES :O
[11:42] <tobias> MS is some kind of disease?
[11:42] <Arafangion> sloef: cygwin does heaps to address that flaw, but it still slow.
[11:42] <sloef> intelikey: it just "works" and keeps working (yes, it does) ... I've never lost any partitions on windows ... an update never left me with an "unbootable" system
[11:43] <ibert> hey guys: before you start flaming XP - everybody has to know if he wants to use it, could you help me with a simple tar problem?
[11:43] <Arafangion> sloef: You're lucky :)
[11:44] <rahmetli> there is a information bar at the bottom of the adept,there writes, download 606 Mb,does it mean it will download 606 mb and install it?
[11:44] <ibert> I want to create a tar archive whitout the whole path from / to the files...
[11:44] <sloef> But I'm just disappointed with Linux atm :( ... perhaps time to make a jump to bsd or mac ...
[11:44] <intelikey> let me see if i have this streight ?    <sloef> I've been using Linux exclusively for over 3 years on my personal desktop ... && I've never lost any partitions on windows ... an update never left me with an "unbootable" system <---  ah where/when was all this windows testing in the last 3.5 years ???
[11:45] <Arafangion> sloef: I am extremely impressed with OpenBSD, though it's hardware support does lag. (Ironically, it has better wifi than linux)
[11:45] <enzo_> intelikey: Thank you. I am following another method that I found per fdoving's link. Time to go to bed. Thanks again for all your help.
[11:45] <ehird> i've just crashed audacity trying to make a song 99% longer
[11:45] <ehird> :D
[11:45] <Arafangion> ehird: Bah, should've just jumped the gun and made it 100% longer.
[11:45] <rahmetli> there is a information bar at the bottom of the adept,there writes, download 606 Mb,does it mean it will download 606 mb and install it?
[11:46] <intelikey> enzo_ yeah your welcome.  and the removing of kubuntu-desktop rather than upgrading the meta package seems to be one among many "querks"
[11:46] <ehird> Arafangion: can't, its the max it'd let me
[11:46] <sloef> intelikey: I've been using Windows since 3.11 (I've bought windows 98 upgrade in retail and had bought windows 2000 beta legally for my machine)
[11:46] <ehird> it made a 470 seconds song into 47000
[11:46] <ehird> maybe it would work on a pop song instead of prog rock :p
[11:46] <loz> hi ti all
[11:47] <dope> hola
[11:47] <Arafangion> sloef: I run a pure linux system here, and have managed a number of (personal) debian servers. :)
[11:47] <sloef> intelikey: from 1994-2003 is a long enough period of testing, I suppose?
[11:47] <loz> tu habla espaol'
[11:47] <Arafangion> sloef: Each to his own, but every OS has it's glitches.
[11:47] <dope> so what's really the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu? something about one uses KDE but what is that
[11:47] <Arafangion> sloef: Windows is probably fine if you have the $$, and you don't install much crap.
[11:47] <sloef> Arafangion: I know ... there is a reason I switched to Linux exclusively
[11:47] <intelikey> sloef never mind....    that last 3 years thing was the point.
[11:47] <Arafangion> sloef: And don't use IE :)
[11:47] <cpk1> !es | loz
[11:47] <ubotu> loz: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:48] <loz> no but i m english
[11:48] <Arafangion> sloef: btw, as a programmer, I don't think I'm /allowed/ to use Vista.
[11:48] <markelhas> hi ppl
[11:48] <Arafangion> sloef: As the EULA explicitly restricts the user from working around OS limitations.
[11:48] <loz> uboto: where is the pipe key on spanish keyboard please?
[11:48] <sloef> Arafangion: I won't touch Vista with a stick either ... I've seen it bluescreen several times (on a "test-machine" at work) but just logging in
[11:49] <markelhas> how can i install wine to use a windows program?
[11:49] <Arafangion> gtg
[11:49] <markelhas> does kubuntu already have wine?
[11:49] <bayer> pls help, every soundapp i start (amarok, xmms, mplayer) crashes with a segmentation fault!
[11:49] <sloef> Arafangion: The problem is not how "bad" other OSes are ... the problem is (in my perspective) the quality of Linux is dropping
[11:49] <Arafangion> sloef: I just think you're now looking at Linux with a critical eye.
[11:50] <sloef> Arafangion: I've seen XP improving over the years and Linux deteriorating (more features, but less stable)
[11:50] <loz> sloef: i agree with Arafangion, have you tried edgy yet?
[11:50] <magicmike> I agree sloef.
[11:50] <dope> so what's really the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu? something about one uses KDE but what is that
[11:50] <ibert> in the time you slammed your opponents OS's I have solved my problem. thanksfor ignoring
[11:50] <sloef> loz: I'm on edgy ... but I have to use the dapper kernel because I can't the 2.6.17 kernel to boot
[11:50] <magicmike> Like they say, you get what you pay for.
[11:50] <cpk1> markelhas: apt-get install wine
[11:51] <dope> what is wine
[11:51] <markelhas> thks
[11:51] <intelikey> for the record it wasn't because M$'s windows xp didn't work that i refused to use it. it was because it did some things automaticly that couldn't be prevented, and when you tell it to not do that it says ok but does it anyway.  (loading drivers for one)   and then there was the eula  which i either had to lie about or just not install M$ so guess where M$ went            not on my hdd  you can bet that....
[11:51] <markelhas> didn't find any
[11:51] <sloef> magicmike: No ... ever heared of value for money?
[11:51] <Arafangion> loz: Edgy's even worse - can't even upgrade the damn thing and expect it to just work
[11:52] <sinux> Hi everybody. Im in a kubuntu, I would like to share internet service betwen my kubuntu and a OsX via ethernet. I ve configured it to give an Ip number with DHCP but I dont know how to pass the internet service. Any help ? thks !!
[11:52] <Arafangion> sinux: It's OS X, not OsX :)
[11:52] <markelhas> cpk1: how can i search whit apt-get?
[11:52] <magicmike> Ever hear of just because you know something doesn't make you a genius and no it all?
[11:52] <ibert> sinux: which internet service? http, mail, voip etc?
[11:52] <magicmike> know
[11:52] <sloef> sinux: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE; echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[11:52] <cpk1> markelhas: apt-cache search iamlookingforthis
[11:53] <intelikey> ibert shared connection
[11:53] <fdoving> intelikey: kubuntu-desktop is upgraded. (yes, meta packages are versioned too), but the old kubuntu-desktop will have to be removed when it depends on something the new one conflicts with. (upstart replacing sysvinit). Removing kubuntu-desktop in it self, is not dangerous.
[11:53] <loz> sloef: still you cant  compare windows to ubuntu,xjl alone beats the crap out of it...
[11:53] <sinux> http service
[11:53] <loz> xgl
[11:53] <markelhas> thnks
[11:53] <ibert> intelikey: wow :-) I thought he wants an apache for testing...
[11:54] <intelikey> fdoving i know it's just a meta package.   but shouldn't the dist-upgrade just simply upgrade the meta-packages also...
[11:54] <sloef> loz: I've used xgl on Dapper, and although it looks nice, it has many quirks (or how do you write that) ... e.g. it doesn't support other keyboard layouts (at least half a year ago when I tested it)
[11:54] <ehird> magicmike: i know the word is "know"
[11:54] <sinux> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE; echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward      whats the meaning ? Shuld I execute as root ?
[11:55] <sloef> sinux: yes ... on the gateway (Linux) box
[11:55] <sloef> well ... if eth0 is your interface to internet
[11:55] <magicmike> All I know is to a new user this is the way to go. One guy says edgy is the best another tells you dapper, on
[11:55] <intelikey> magicmike who told you dapper ?
[11:56] <loz> sloef: i ve used a fresh install of kubuntu 6.1, it works ok, but with the gnome server even better, exept on water effects, wich could use some improvement, and that is with a spanish keyboard layout, so...
[11:56] <sloef> I will probably remain on Linux though, it's just I've been frustrated and needed to "rant" ... perhaps I'll checkout XP and BSD
[11:56] <sinux> eth1 is my internet interface
[11:56] <sloef> loz: it's 6.10 (not 6.1 ... it didn't come out in january)
[11:56] <loz> sloef: oopsie
[11:56] <sloef> sorry
[11:56] <magicmike> Man, I've been dealing with this stuff for a few weeks now. Finally got this thing working pretty well on my own, then I wake up to find my friggin desltop at a size I can't work with.
[11:57] <magicmike> Smart-a--- tell you it's got to be something you've done like you're some ftiggin idiot.
[11:57] <sinux> sloef THKS !! do you know where can I have a tutorial of iptables ?
[11:57] <loz> sloef: do you know much about wifi, or where i could find more info for a laptop?
[11:57] <fdoving> intelikey: it's hard to do in this special case. As the dapper kubuntu-desktop depends on things that are beeing removed in edgy. You can of course upgrade kubuntu-desktop first, but that will break other things, as kubuntu-desktop in edgy depends on things not existing in dapper. I think this can be solved somehow, with Pre-Depends.
[11:57] <sloef> sinux: http://www.netfilter.org
[11:57] <intelikey> magicmike i think you are maybe refering to my telling someone that upgrading from dapper to edgy was a bit bumpy  and from what i have been reading in here for the last week there are lots of issues...
[11:58] <sloef> sinux: checkout some of the docs (they can be hard to find at first, but they are pretty good)
[11:58] <dope> OSX is based on UNIX right
[11:58] <magicmike> Not just talking about that. I'm talking about what I have observed from just hanging around the channel for a few weeks.
[11:58] <sloef> loz: I've had pretty bad experiences with wifi as well, I'm wire only now :)
[11:58] <intelikey> fdoving k.     that's a lot to think about for now.    i'll study on it a bit.
[11:59] <loz> any body got some links for installing wifi on a laptop?
[11:59] <sloef> loz: unless you use wifi in the same room, I find it quite unreliable
[11:59] <sloef> or at least in my house ...
[11:59] <sinux> i get : bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: Permission denied
[11:59] <loz> sloef:  thanks anyway, got it working on my new spanish laptop, but not on the old one...
[11:59] <sloef> Or perhaps my router is really b0rked
[12:00] <loz> sloef: must agree, the range is less than it was with windows...
[12:00] <sloef> sinux: are you root?
[12:00] <sinux> with sudo
[12:01] <sinux> sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE; echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[12:01] <magicmike> Some of you guys, not all think just because you've grasped how this works that you're above everyone to the point that you're some sort of Linux God! I have read much of the docs that are out there on this release and can tell you that most average, computer users will not grasp this without real and sincere support.
[12:01] <sloef> sinux: sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[12:01] <loz> sloef: have you ever tried using ndiswrapper, for window pilotes?
[12:01] <sloef> loz: no. I buy hardware that (should be) supported by Linux
[12:02] <intelikey> magicmike well for the record.  i've stated several times that "i'll just stick with LTS"  one reason is that i'm on dialup and a dist-upgrade is not desireable under any condition....   but another is that i don't often use the gui and on a cli basis there is not much real differance in any linux distro/release for the last several years.     but as to personal openion of *buntu  i think it's highly over rated.     don't 
[12:03] <sloef> sinux: btw : sudo != root
[12:03] <loz> sloef: guess that is the way il have to go, just anoying to have an integtated wifi card, and not be able to use it...
 sinux: btw : sudo != root <--- sense when ?
[12:04] <magicmike> Hey, I'm not trying to piss on anyone. Just stating my feelings on the matter. I'm not looking to be spoon-fed. .
[12:05] <intelikey> sudo == root jr.   in the *buntu world of default settings.
[12:05] <magicmike> Does jende still frequent this channel?
[12:05] <intelikey> haven't seen jende in quite a while.
[12:05] <sinux> ok Im a dumb as! im loging as root thks :D
[12:06] <intelikey> !seen jende
[12:06] <ubotu> I last saw jende (n=jende@p57A2EECB.dip.t-dialin.net) 14h 20m 59s ago, changing nicks
[12:06] <intelikey> i just wasn't here...
[12:06] <BuFF> HOW TO RAR AND UNRAR A FILE ?
[12:06] <cpk1> intelikey: he is hiding =P
[12:06] <intelikey> !rar
[12:06] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[12:07] <intelikey> !unrar-free
[12:07] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[12:07] <fdoving> BuFF: LIKE THIS: 'UNRAR X FILE.RAR'
[12:07] <intelikey> nope  UNRAR >> command not found   lol
[12:07] <fdoving> :)
[12:07] <intelikey> case   :)
[12:07] <fdoving> i know, it was on purpose.
[12:08] <intelikey> 8*|
[12:08] <intelikey> cpk1 from me ?
[12:08] <sloef> intelikey: Does sudo take over the environment of root? ... sudo is your environment with root privileges
[12:08] <intelikey> with -i
[12:08] <loz> ubotu: i ve seen you here before, you must be a veteran, possibly you could guide me to a good site for installing wifi on a laptop, with a ubuntu lts?
[12:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i ve seen you here before, you must be a veteran, possibly you could guide me to a good site for installing wifi on a laptop, with a ubuntu lts? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:09] <intelikey> !bot | loz
[12:09] <ubotu> loz: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl  -  Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:09] <fdoving> !wifi | loz
[12:09] <ubotu> loz: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:09] <loz> ubotu: thanks
[12:09] <ubotu> Thanks for the help!
[12:09] <intelikey> !botsnack
[12:10] <ubotu> Yum!
[12:10] <abattoir> loz: ubotu is a bot, a computer program
[12:10] <intelikey> an irc robot
[12:11] <loz> abattoir: wow, holy crap, did not know that was possible
[12:11] <intelikey> !bot | loz
[12:11] <ubotu> loz: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl  -  Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:12] <intelikey> loz notice the statements that start with either "ubotu"  or with "!"    that triggers a response
[12:12] <sloef> intelikey: k. (didn't know the -i ... )
[12:12] <intelikey> sloef man intro
[12:12] <intelikey> sloef and  man man
[12:13] <sloef> intelikey: ?
[12:13] <intelikey> sloef run those two commands    man intro      man man      almost all commands have a manual page   and man accesses them
[12:14] <sloef> intelikey: No, really? :p
[12:14] <intelikey> one exception is the bash built-in commands/functions   help read     help ulimit      or even  help help
[12:15] <ehird> audacity is still extending that song
[12:15] <sloef> intelikey: thanks for that help ....
[12:15] <intelikey> help is a bash built-in that acts like a mini man page reader.
[12:16] <intelikey> for the bash built-in's of course.
[12:16] <sloef> intelikey: are you still talking to me?
[12:16] <intelikey> ah to whom it may concern
[12:16] <sloef> k
[12:17] <intelikey> you never know who might be reading that actually wants to know.
[12:17] <sloef> intelikey: ok :)
[12:17] <sloef> s/wants/needs/
[12:17] <intelikey> i try not to teach/rant while it's busy in here.
[12:17] <intelikey> edit your own text.
[12:18] <intelikey> :)
[12:18] <intelikey> many need to know but few want to know.
[12:19] <intelikey> info is another source of usefull information at the shell prompt
[12:19] <sloef> intelikey: I used to be more rtfm myself, but distros like (k)ubuntu are not for rtfm people (imho), so you can't expect them to actually rtfm.
[12:20] <intelikey> any time you start typing in a shell  read the manual applies.
[12:20] <MistaED> sloef: "what is a rtfm? i'm using kubunto"
[12:20] <MistaED> :P
[12:20] <sloef> MistaED: rtfm = read the fscking manual :)
[12:20] <kharloss> :D
[12:20] <intelikey> rtfm==read the * manual
[12:20] <MistaED> yeah a joke ;)
[12:20] <dope> lol
[12:21] <intelikey> first,fine,full,and some words that are not welcome here.
[12:22] <sloef> intelikey: the manual is often not created for newbies. I had quite some difficulties understanding them myself in the beginning. (even now I use them as a reference rather than read first, do later)
[12:22] <intelikey> when i learned what the f was in rtfm it was full but has been used in many ways...
[12:23] <xsacha> f***ing?
[12:23] <xsacha> :P
[12:23] <xsacha> if it's in caps with an angry face after it...
[12:23] <intelikey> sloef hehhe yeah.  some are quite cryptic   but they are all good if all you want is to know what switch to add to a string....
[12:24] <intelikey> >:] 
[12:24] <sloef> intelikey: not always ... some manuals are too large and finding which option to use for a special purpose can be a daunting task (especially for people who never used man before)
[12:25] <intelikey> to large to  /-e
[12:25] <intelikey> come on....  rtfm on less
[12:25] <sloef> intelikey: try learning bash scripting from man bash
[12:25] <intelikey> or ?-e as the case might be
[12:25] <intelikey> sloef i did.
[12:25] <Tm_T> mplayer manual is short.
[12:26] <cpk1> iptables man however is *not* short
[12:26] <intelikey> first you learn to use less  then you have no trouble with it.
[12:26] <sloef> I learned more from tldp.org than from manuals (I think)
[12:27] <intelikey> less is more than more.
[12:27] <sloef> 1) learn which applications to use for your task (tldp.org); 2) learn the applications to tweak for your task (man)
[12:27] <sloef> That's how I did it
[12:28] <sloef> and how I still do it (although tldp.org has been replaced by "google")
[12:28] <ehird> what's the keyboard shortcut to xkill?
[12:29] <iarwain> Ctrl-Alt-Esc
[12:29] <intelikey> hehhe i remember doing t[tab]    reads the list  hmmm  tic i wonder that that does    enters tic  gets   newline with >
[12:29] <intelikey> hut oh....
[12:29] <intelikey> :)
[12:29] <ehird> thanks
[12:29] <ehird> usefull
[12:29] <iarwain> np =)
[12:30] <intelikey> learning linux commands by type and see what happens is lots of fun.... :)
[12:30] <sloef> ehird: Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace ... is also very powerfull (it kills your entire X) (don't try it now though)
[12:30] <ehird> sloef: i know about c+a+bs ;)
[12:30] <ehird> however, i prefer a reboot over it as it's hackish and often messes X stuff up for me
[12:31] <sloef> ehird has quit (connection terminated)
[12:31] <Agent_bob> modem reset
[12:32] <sloef> killed by peer (who is peer?)
[12:32] <Agent_bob> mine that is not ehird
[12:32] <ubuntu_> when i install kubuntu my xp is stuffed
[12:32] <Agent_bob> peer is same as client is it not
[12:32] <ehird> Agent_bob: what the hell rae you talking about
[12:33] <ehird> oh
[12:33] <Agent_bob> !boot
[12:33] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions  -  To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d  -  To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local  -  See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy  -  Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[12:33] <ehird> peer has quit (connection reset by peer)
[12:33] <ehird> i knew there was a way to do it!!!
[12:34] <ehird> hmm
[12:34] <ehird> why wasn't 6.10 called etchy Eft? XD
[12:35] <bayer> pls help, every soundapp i start (amarok, xmms, mplayer) crashes with a segmentation fault!
[12:35] <Agent_bob> ehird it's the nomynclature of the buntu
[12:36] <ehird> Agent_bob: moral of the story: don't try and use big words if you can't spell them :)
[12:36] <Agent_bob> that'll work if you likey
[12:36] <JakubS> is there way to blacklist module from initrd?
[12:37] <Agent_bob> JakubS you can not include them in the initramfs.img   i don't know about blacklisting them
[12:37] <sloef> Hmmz ... how come I only see 3 directories when I browse my filesystem? (/home /debootstrap and /media?)
[12:37] <JakubS> ok, i guess removing it from /lib/modules and regenerating initramfs should do
[12:38] <Agent_bob> root bug
[12:38] <Agent_bob> JakubS what module is it ?
[12:38] <JakubS> ata_piix - i want ahci to be used instead
[12:38] <JakubS> as it has ncq
[12:39] <sloef> Is that a 'feature'?
[12:39] <JakubS> sloef: ncq?
[12:39] <Agent_bob> sloef check the bug listing
[12:39] <Agent_bob> !bug
[12:39] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[12:41] <Agent_bob> why would there be a /debootstrap dir... ?
[12:42] <JakubS> and here i thought it was 'feature' for novice users :-)
[12:42] <ubuntu_> help? Must I install XP and THEN kubuntu or vice versa
[12:42] <Arafangion> Spam's become truely bizare lately.
[12:42] <zorglu_> !mbr
[12:42] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:42] <zorglu_> ubuntu_: this page may help
[12:42] <enotee> ktorrent really slow i read something about port forwarding on my router but i cant find it again
[12:42] <Arafangion> One with a title "exotic skinny-dipping", but is justselling boring shares.
[12:42] <Cyron> !grub
[12:42] <Agent_bob> xp first cause it's liable to hose linux
[12:43] <ubuntu_> thanks
[12:43] <wiccanopr> Puerto Rico
[12:43] <Agent_bob> !pr
[12:43] <zorglu_> enotee: to enable port forwarding will likely increase your download speed
[12:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:43] <F_for_Fragging> enotee: verify if UPnP is enabled on your router, then enable the UPnP plugin in KTorrent, UPnP will forward ports automatically
[12:44] <enotee> k thanks
[12:44] <F_for_Fragging> enotee: that's just another easier way to solve it, you can also manually forward the ports in your router if that doesn't work for you, but that might be more complicated
[12:45] <Agent_bob> where's the linux defragmenter located ?
[12:46] <SHRIKEE> defragmenting is an illusion of improvement
[12:46] <Agent_bob> so where is the linux defragmenter located ?
[12:46] <SHRIKEE> dunno :P
[12:46] <ehird> an yideas why i have tens of lag and my HD is working a lot?
[12:46] <zorglu_> there is one e2defrag or something
[12:46] <ehird> i only have konversation, knotes, kopete, konqueror open
[12:47] <SHRIKEE> background services perhaps, ehird
[12:47] <zorglu_> ehird: likely a background task updating some kind of database
[12:47] <Agent_bob> ehird heh sounds like visitors
[12:47] <SHRIKEE> Agent_bob: visitors?
[12:47] <ulaas> yay
[12:47] <zorglu_> ehird: do a 'top' a look what is on top
[12:47] <zorglu_> the manpage stuff, or updatedb
[12:47] <Agent_bob> if it's caussing lag  then yeah script kiddies
[12:48] <SHRIKEE> dont be stupid
[12:48] <SHRIKEE> Agent_bob:
[12:48] <zorglu_> or simply disk io
[12:48] <ulaas> latest apt-get upgrade offers me to remove xorg?
[12:48] <ehird> eh, audacity is hogging 100% of cpu and 50% of ram even tho i ctrlaltescape killed it :p
[12:48] <SHRIKEE> whoa ulaas, lol
[12:48] <Agent_bob> SHRIKEE you explain how updatedb can cause lag please
[12:48] <zorglu_> Agent_bob: updatedb use disk a lot, so it lag
[12:48] <SHRIKEE> i wont, but i also dont get why alot of people always say theyre hacked because theyre pc is slow
[12:49] <SHRIKEE> thats just stupid you kno
[12:49] <SHRIKEE> know
[12:49] <sloef> Agent_bob: disk-io has high priority (at least it used to be ... didn't follow that in 2.6 development)
[12:49] <Agent_bob> zorglu_ you can take the hdd out a throw it away it's not gonna cause lag
[12:49] <zorglu_> hmm ok :)
[12:50] <zorglu_> Agent_bob: you dont know much about sheduling, do you ?
[12:50] <SHRIKEE> ...
[12:50] <JakubS> very strange, ahci driver gives me ~17MB/s and ata_piix 34MB/s
[12:50] <SHRIKEE> looking at his comments he doesnt know much at all ;P
[12:50] <ehird> bleh...........................
[12:50] <ehird> it's still doing disk acitivity but its likely thsi irc room
[12:50] <ehird> :p
[12:50] <SHRIKEE> ehird, try a reboot and see what changes
[12:50] <sikor_sxe> i install kubuntu edgy on a loptop w/o problems, but i cannot run guidance-power-manager, it fails with python errors. i have to use gnome-power-manager instead, which works fine
[12:50] <ehird> shrikee: no thanks
[12:50] <SHRIKEE> ..
[12:51] <ehird> although it is making a quick ticking noise right now
[12:51] <ehird> odd.
[12:51] <Agent_bob> zorglu_ yeah colour me stupid and ignore me.   an irc connection like this does not lag because of disk io  even failed hardware.
[12:51] <SHRIKEE> on my server the memory used to fill up making it slow after like 2 months of uptime
[12:51] <Arafangion> ehird: Either an old design, or indicating that it's on the way out.
[12:51] <SHRIKEE> maybe that happens to you now
[12:51] <ehird> Arafangion: it is quite low end ...
[12:51] <ehird> but meh
[12:51] <zorglu_> Agent_bob: i dont think you are stupid, you are just very assertive about something you dont know
[12:51] <ehird> normally a reboot solves that stuff or it just goes away
[12:52] <SHRIKEE> yes
[12:52] <SHRIKEE> thats why i sugested it
[12:52] <Arafangion> Agent_bob: Perhaps you could make it faster by not turning on DMA.
[12:52] <SHRIKEE> isnt dma supposed to speed things up?
[12:52] <Arafangion> SHRIKEE: SHHH!
[12:52] <SHRIKEE> lol
[12:52] <sikor_sxe> i got the same errors when starting guidance-power-manager as in this thread: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/53174/
[12:53] <Arafangion> SHRIKEE: It results in very, very significant speedups, but it still doesn't prevent lag.
[12:53] <SHRIKEE> true
[12:53] <ehird> from yesterday, apparently acpi is throttling my cpu at 1ghz (leik omg i'm missing out on .8ghz!!!2121212). how would I fix this? just disable acpi?
[12:53] <SHRIKEE> but will it not lagg more if you turn it off?
[12:53] <Arafangion> SHRIKEE: I've tested it. :)
[12:54] <Arafangion> SHRIKEE: And yes, it would.
[12:54] <Agent_bob> Arafangion one could even mount -o sync  couldn't they
[12:54] <SHRIKEE> ehird: go to k-menu click run command
[12:54] <SHRIKEE> type kcontrol
[12:54] <SHRIKEE> and go to powermanage
[12:54] <SHRIKEE> see if its throttled
[12:54] <SHRIKEE> that happened to me on dapper :(
[12:54] <ehird> where's power management located in there?
[12:55] <SHRIKEE> some icon with a powerplug
[12:55] <SHRIKEE> red-ish
[12:55] <ehird> ah. i don't have one.
[12:55] <Arafangion> Agent_bob: In any case, if two processors are waiting for a slow medium, one will have to wait. And there is simply no way to work around that without cach'ing the entire thing in RAM.
[12:55] <SHRIKEE> hmm
[12:55] <ehird> isn't that only for laptops?
[12:55] <SHRIKEE> maybe
[12:55] <SHRIKEE> how about acpi stuff?
[12:55] <ehird> because this is a desktop pc
[12:55] <SHRIKEE> its called powercontrol here
[12:55] <ehird> "acpi" in console just gives a blank line
[12:55] <SHRIKEE> but yes this is a laptop
[12:56] <Agent_bob> Arafangion so it makes you irc lag....     ummmmm hmmmmmm
[12:56] <ehird> so i guess it isn't acpi?
[12:56] <SHRIKEE> ehird
[12:56] <SHRIKEE> acpi -V
[12:56] <zorglu_> ok lets drop this 'does disk io slow down computer' thread
[12:56] <eranda> I just installed Kubuntu and their is no option to eject in the My Flash Drive icon on the desktop. Pls help me
[12:56] <Arafangion> Agent_bob: Sure, if you log your convos.
[12:56] <SHRIKEE> eranda just pull it out
[12:57] <ehird> ehird@ehird-desktop:~$ acpi -V
[12:57] <ehird>      Thermal 1: ok, 39.0 degrees C
[12:57] <eranda> SHRIKEE: Seriously?
[12:57] <ehird> that's all it says
[12:57] <eranda> ;)
[12:57] <SHRIKEE> thats what i do, eranda, works fine
[12:57] <SHRIKEE> ehird: hmm i dont know then
[12:58] <Arafangion> Guys, keep ACPI in unless it's causing problems.
[12:58] <ehird> of course there's a chance i do just have a 1ghz processor, but I strongly believe it's .8 (or i've been scammed!)
[12:58] <ehird> is there any way to check that would ignore throttles, etc.?
[12:58] <SHRIKEE> acpi makes a mess of my fanspeeds, but if i kill it i think it'll burn my cpu out
[12:58] <SHRIKEE> :D
[12:58] <Agent_bob> Arafangion "keep ACPI in unless it's causing problems."    explain ?
[12:58] <SHRIKEE> ehird, you might be able to check that in your bios
[12:58] <SHRIKEE> also at the bootup sequence
[12:59] <JakubS> what's wrong with throttling? it should return to max speed as soon as it is needed
[12:59] <SHRIKEE> where the memory is counted the speed should be shown
[12:59] <SHRIKEE> JakubS: indeed it should
[12:59] <Arafangion> Agent_bob: Why do I need to explain common sense?
[12:59] <SHRIKEE> butsometimes wont
[12:59] <zorglu_> oh i wasnt aware of this 'acpi' command
[12:59] <ehird> bios makes me run screaming from the room, but kay :D
[12:59] <zorglu_> i was still using kludge with /proc :)
[12:59] <JakubS> me too :-)
[01:00] <SHRIKEE> why ehird
[01:00] <ehird> (not because i don't understand it, because i've messed up my computer so many times in it :D)
[01:00] <Agent_bob> just asking if you had a reason for it ?     if you don't load acpi wont bios still handle fans and such ?
[01:00] <JakubS> 60 C, not bad
[01:00] <ehird> i need to stop playing around with stuffs ,o/ \o, :D
[01:00] <SHRIKEE> haha
[01:00] <JakubS> depends on bios and computer
[01:00] <SHRIKEE> indeed, some bios can handle it
[01:00] <SHRIKEE> mine cant i think
[01:00] <JakubS> newer machines tend to leave more and more stuff to operating system (and acpi)
[01:01] <ehird> because it seems that it is actually not letting my cpu use more than 1ghz
[01:01] <Agent_bob> ah ok bios that doesn't do that,,, makes sense in that respect.
[01:01] <ehird> saying this based on even on a bloated windows system with more stuff on it, it's faster to switch windows etc. than a lihgtweight ubuntu install
[01:01] <SHRIKEE> all advanced functions in my bios were deferred to some windows app :(
[01:01] <zorglu_> ehird: to check the actual frequency of your cpu, do 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
[01:01] <SHRIKEE> and here i am on kubuntu
[01:01] <SHRIKEE> :P
[01:02] <JakubS> in good old days you could just overclock cpu and no damned acpi or bios would prevent that :-)
[01:02] <SHRIKEE> you can still 'just' overclock
[01:02] <ehird> zorglu_: says the same as Kinfocenter, i.e. 1ghz
[01:02] <ehird> but i doubt it
[01:02] <SHRIKEE> all those idiots and nerds do it in my class :S
[01:03] <zorglu_> ehird: well it is what the cpu claims to be
[01:03] <zorglu_> ehird: unlikely it has been modified
[01:03] <JakubS> ehird: /proc/cpuinfo is quite good source of information
[01:03] <ehird> zorglu_: well it's lying! or i  got ripped off
[01:03] <ehird> :(
[01:03] <zorglu_> ehird: or it is 1ghz :)
[01:03] <SHRIKEE> zorglu_ no, my cpu is 1.7 ghz and kubuntu made it run at 800mhz all the time
[01:03] <cntb> how to install xen
[01:03] <cntb> channel for xen VM?
[01:03] <SHRIKEE> i had to unthrottle manually
[01:03] <JakubS> SHRIKEE: in my case too, and i like it this way :-)
[01:03] <ehird> zorglu_: ripped off = they sold me a 1ghz cpu instead of 1,8 as they said
[01:03] <zorglu_> SHRIKEE: and /proc/cpuinfo give it as 800mgz ?
[01:03] <SHRIKEE> yah
[01:03] <SHRIKEE> on dapper
[01:03] <zorglu_> ehird: ah ok :)
[01:04] <dizzie> G'day all
[01:04] <SHRIKEE> im on edgt now which has it running at 1700mhz
[01:04] <zorglu_> hmm ok there is a tool for this
[01:04] <zorglu_> cpufreqd or something
[01:04] <JakubS> SHRIKEE: is it pentium-m ?
[01:04] <SHRIKEE> yes
[01:04] <SHRIKEE> centrino yes
[01:04] <SHRIKEE> but dapper made it run at 800mhz by default
[01:04] <SHRIKEE> edgy doesnt
[01:04] <SHRIKEE> so its no biggie :)
[01:04] <zorglu_> damn! mine too
[01:05] <JakubS> SHRIKEE: i use edgy and it runs 800Mhz by default
[01:05] <SHRIKEE> :o
[01:05] <zorglu_> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz -> cpu MHz         : 598.568
[01:05] <vandenoever> hello, is there already subversion 1.4 for edgy?
[01:05] <SHRIKEE> ...
[01:05] <SHRIKEE> hold on
[01:05] <Arafangion> SHRIKEE: Ubuntu makes my cpu run at 733MHz most of the time - until I do something quite intensive, then I get 1.3 Ghz or whatever.
[01:05] <JakubS> i got rid of cpufreqd and rest of userspace stuff and use 'ondemand' in-kernel policy instead
[01:05] <SHRIKEE> 1729mhz here
[01:05] <SHRIKEE> and i never changed it
[01:06] <SHRIKEE> i would like lm-sensors to pick up my thermal stuffs
[01:06] <SHRIKEE> :(
[01:06] <SHRIKEE> but it doesnt
[01:06] <Arafangion> JakubS: 'ondemand' is quite good indeed.
[01:06] <SHRIKEE> edgy doesnt have those profiles no more
[01:06] <JakubS> like ondemand?
[01:06] <SHRIKEE> which i think is quite a loss
[01:06] <SHRIKEE> no profiles what so ever
[01:07] <JakubS> sure it does, it is just a kernel module
[01:07] <SHRIKEE> how do i get them
[01:07] <SHRIKEE> because theyre gone since i upgraded
[01:07] <JakubS> modprobe cpufreq_ondemand does not work?
[01:07] <zorglu_> hmm good thing, now i know that linux is using one third of the power available :)
[01:07] <SHRIKEE> shows me nothing
[01:07] <JakubS> good :-)
[01:07] <ehird> i just want to disable evil throttling
[01:07] <zorglu_> and doing cpu intensive stuff doesnt seems to change it :)
[01:08] <ehird> i have the .8ghz for a reason >_> <_<
[01:08] <SHRIKEE> ehird, set throttling to 0% then
[01:08] <Arafangion> zorglu_: What kind of CPU intensive stuff?
[01:08] <ehird> SHRIKEE: how?
[01:08] <SHRIKEE> in acpi ;P
[01:08] <zorglu_> Arafangion: compiling stuff with 2 simultaneous gcc
[01:08] <JakubS>  /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq show current module used
[01:08] <ehird> SHRIKEE: <how>
[01:08] <JakubS> is it 'ondemand' or 'userspace' ?
[01:08] <SHRIKEE> does anyone know how to enable fancontrol on a centrino laptop?
[01:09] <Arafangion> zorglu_: That might do it.
[01:09] <SHRIKEE> ehird, here i have this thing for it, but you dont. you said that before
[01:09] <SHRIKEE> power manager...
[01:09] <Arafangion> zorglu_: :)
[01:09] <Arafangion> zorglu_: Out of itnerest, what language?
[01:09] <Arafangion> :)
[01:09] <zorglu_> c++
[01:09] <zorglu_> ok i will try to fix this later
[01:09] <zorglu_> Arafangion: it is one of my box i use to build, compiling time is important :)
[01:09] <Arafangion> zorglu_: Ahh, the least understood, most abused langauge. :(
[01:10] <SHRIKEE> does anyone know how to enable fancontrol on a centrino laptop?
[01:10] <Arafangion> zorglu_: Have you considered distcc?
[01:10] <SHRIKEE> or is linux that power intensive that it needs the fan to be on at all times?
[01:10] <harmental> hi everybody...
[01:10] <zorglu_> Arafangion: yep it is what im using
[01:10] <zorglu_> Arafangion: my build process is quite complex :)
[01:10] <JakubS> SHRIKEE: well, fans seems to controlling itself just fine, at least on my centrino laptop
[01:11] <Arafangion> zorglu_: Cool :)  I'm actually more of a python programmer, so I haven't needed to use distcc yet.
[01:11] <SHRIKEE> yea it speeds up rarely
[01:11] <SHRIKEE> but its always on
[01:11] <SHRIKEE> :(
[01:11] <JakubS> Arafangion: i prefer icecream to distcc
[01:11] <SHRIKEE> on windows it used to be off by default
[01:11] <Arafangion> JakubS: I'm allergic to dairy :(
[01:11] <zorglu_> exec make -f Makefile.static -j1 CXX="/home/jerome/bin/cpu_temp_watchdog.sh 70 73 && distcc" $* <- isnt it nice and readable ? :)
[01:11] <Arafangion> JakubS: And that soy stuff is usually just nasty.
[01:12] <zorglu_> ok going back to work :)
[01:12] <JakubS> at least icecream has real job scheduling and you don't have to care about gcc versions like with distcc
[01:12] <Arafangion> zorglu_: Not as nice as a ./build ;)
[01:12] <JakubS> Arafangion: being allergic to icecream is horrible curse
[01:13] <Arafangion> JakubS: I used to be able to eat icecream as a child, which makes it worse :(  I still like the memory (10 year memory now) of mint choc chip icecream :(
[01:13] <SHRIKEE> is kpowersave a nice package?
[01:13] <JakubS> SHRIKEE: yes, it is
[01:14] <SHRIKEE> does it work on centrino?
[01:14] <JakubS> like suspend?
[01:14] <SHRIKEE> nah not that
[01:14] <SHRIKEE> i barely use suspend and hibernate
[01:14] <JakubS> it works ok
[01:15] <JakubS> but for suspend i have to use 2.6.19-rc or 2.6.18+weird patches
[01:15] <SHRIKEE> suspens works fine without that thing installed
[01:15] <SHRIKEE> out of the box :P
[01:15] <JakubS> lucky you
[01:15] <Arafangion> zorglu_: I'm actually wanting to develop a nice, _useable_ GC for C++
[01:16] <zorglu_> Arafangion: there are several already
[01:16] <SHRIKEE> i dont use it..
[01:16] <ehird> http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/wordcount/ impressive
[01:16] <Arafangion> zorglu_: Most are conservative, or use ref counting, or are quite intrusive.
[01:16] <intelikey> hmmm removing "  gnome-power-manager gnome-session gnome-volume-manager hal
[01:16] <intelikey>   hal-device-manager hwdb-client lvm-common lvm2 mdadm pcmciautils ubuntu-base
[01:16] <intelikey>   ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard udev update-notifier
[01:16] <SHRIKEE> zorglu_: http://sourceforge.net/projects/powersave/
[01:16] <intelikey> " should be ok   no ?
[01:16] <zorglu_> JakubS: ok i got a dapper which doesnt move from 600mhz on a 1.6mhz cpu, how do i make fix it ? you talked about a 'ondemand' mode. where can i find more info about this
[01:17] <zorglu_> SHRIKEE: ?
[01:17] <SHRIKEE> maybe its usefull :)
[01:17] <zorglu_> lookin
[01:17] <JakubS> zorglu_: first you load module
[01:17] <JakubS> then you enable it with: echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq
[01:17] <Arafangion> zorglu_: Infact, it's remarkably difficult to find GC's on the internet beyond shared_ptr's and boehm.
[01:18] <JakubS> and that's it
[01:18] <JakubS> Arafangion: and what do you want to do differently?
[01:18] <zorglu_> Arafangion: i dont follow the stuff, just know they want to put one optional in the next c++ standard
[01:18] <intelikey> ok.  i have removed them i think i should reboot so as to finish eleminating udev
[01:18] <eilker> anyone has "debconf nice value thing" in upgrade ?
[01:19] <zorglu_> JakubS: on my dapper, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq is a directory
[01:19] <Arafangion> JakubS: I would make it explicit, and realise that most C++ code is quite happy with RAII.
[01:19] <Arafangion> JakubS: So, I would make it continue to work in that framework.
[01:20] <Arafangion> JakubS: In addition, I want to make it a true GC, not conservative or using ref counts. (Both are quite significaly flawed, imho)
[01:20] <JakubS> zorglu_: my mistake, file is /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[01:20] <Arafangion> JakubS: Unfortunately, it'll probably have to be some form of mark and sweap.
[01:20] <Arafangion> JakubS: I also _hope_ to be able to work well with swap'ed memories.
[01:20] <TIger_IT> JakubS: in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq  Ive just 2 files: topology and crash_notes
[01:20] <kroisis> how can I install/access the program system-config-services under Kubuntu?  Is one similar to the one used in Fedora available?
[01:20] <TIger_IT> JakubS: I use Edgy
[01:21] <lters> where do u find the normal kde Screen(1/2) settings
[01:21] <Arafangion> JakubS: One GC for Java actually respects swap'ed memory, but that requires kernel patches :(
[01:21] <JakubS> TIger_IT: also centrino?
[01:21] <TIger_IT> kroisis:  nooo
[01:21] <TIger_IT> kroisis: sorry
[01:21] <TIger_IT> JakubS: no...
[01:22] <TIger_IT> JakubS: just these 2 files
[01:22] <JakubS> ok, my question was unclear: your computer is centrino laptop?
[01:22] <kroisis> TIger_IT,  :(
[01:23] <TIger_IT> JakubS: Inside topology, I ve:  core_id  core_siblings  physical_package_id  thread_siblings
[01:23] <SHRIKEE> acpi thinks my centrino has no thermal sensors :(
[01:23] <Arafangion> JakubS: Why did you ask if you weren't interested? :)
[01:23] <dude_> microsoft + linux? heheheh
[01:23] <TIger_IT> JakubS: centrino is a cpu model ? right ?
[01:23] <JakubS> Arafangion: i was interested and you responded
[01:24] <georgeb> Hi, I need some info regarding the sound system on ubuntu; I don't get it what is "the way" to make it work "perfect"; how can I make alsa to be full-duplex (to be able to use two sound enabled apps at the same time) or alsa is more like a low level layer for sound and I have to use arts for that ?
[01:24] <SHRIKEE> centrino is a series
[01:24] <Arafangion> JakubS: Ahh, I was hoping for a discussion :)
[01:24] <TIger_IT> AMD ?
[01:24] <kroisis> TIger_IT,  any other sort of interface of a similar nature for shutting down any/all services running and saving as runlevel?
[01:24] <SHRIKEE> intel pentium centrino
[01:24] <Arafangion> JakubS: I should get some sleep before midnight, though.
[01:24] <ehird> /net/xfrm/xfrm_algo.c:      /* Fuck, we are miserable poor guys... */ -- kernel
[01:24] <TIger_IT> kroisis: sysv-rc-conf
[01:25] <JakubS> Arafangion: sleep is good, coffee is better :-)
[01:25] <SHRIKEE> coffee stinks
[01:25] <TIger_IT> kroisis: sysv-rc-conf (then choice the runlevel)
[01:25] <Arafangion> JakubS: That's when i wake up :)
[01:25] <Arafangion> JakubS: Two double-shot extra-short short-black's ground on my grinder at setting 19, not 20, not 18 :)
[01:25] <JakubS> SHRIKEE: not with milk and lots of sugar
[01:25] <eilker> anyone knows the solutin ? Debconf error in Edgy upgrade
[01:25] <SHRIKEE> ...
[01:25] <Arafangion> JakubS: Black, with none, of course.
[01:26] <JakubS> woo, hardcore :-)
[01:26] <Arafangion> JakubS: I also live in the nation's capital, and have TWO favorite cafe's I visit.
[01:27] <bayer> how can i verify all the packages on my system?
[01:27] <SHRIKEE> Arafangion: atleast you ahve an interresting life.... :P
[01:27] <Arafangion> JakubS: One gives a terrific espresso, and the other makes an amazing turkish :)
[01:27] <eilker> anyone knows the solution ? Debconf error in Edgy upgrade
[01:27] <SHRIKEE> yah, follow the steps
[01:27] <SHRIKEE> :)
[01:28] <Arafangion> SHRIKEE: I can't stand using a laptop in bed.  I don't want to get fluff and stuff in it. :(
[01:28] <Arafangion> SHRIKEE: Have you any idea how much *dust* gets in there?
[01:28] <JakubS> i'm not getting out of bed until i get hungry
[01:29] <JakubS> vacuum cleaner ...
[01:29] <SHRIKEE> Arafangion: i clean it
[01:29] <SHRIKEE> take it apart adn stuff
[01:29] <SHRIKEE> now brb
[01:29] <ehird> JakubS: usb vaccum cleaner on the laptop!
[01:29] <TIger_IT> Why there is a /proc and /sys ? why not just one ?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> !mount
[01:29] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[01:29] <ehird> TIger_IT: because they're totally different/
[01:29] <TIger_IT> ehird: mm
[01:30] <Hobbsee> !windows
[01:30] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[01:30] <ehird> nearest mental health institute suggested
[01:30] <TIger_IT> ehird: In both I can see CPU, devices and other kind of information
[01:30] <zorglu_> ok got it! kpowersave provides an applet with the possibility to use the cpufreq policy
[01:31] <ehird> where would the linux source be in my filesystem? :0
[01:31] <Arafangion> Nice, Mono's working on a compacting GC.
[01:31] <JakubS> and still simple rss reader written in mono uses as much memory as whole kontact :-)
[01:32] <Arafangion> ehird: Traditionally /usr/local/src/linux
[01:32] <Arafangion> ehird: But you usually have to download or install it.
[01:32] <JakubS> not /usr/src/linux ?
[01:32] <zorglu_> personnaly i want to be able to control my memoryusage
[01:32] <sudharsh> i have no swap in /proc/filesystems and it fails when the system is activating swap..is that ok?
[01:32] <Arafangion> JakubS: Depends ;)
[01:32] <JakubS> swapon -s lists active swaps
[01:32] <Arafangion> JakubS: Either one or the other, anyway.
[01:32] <ehird> Arafangion: doesn't that violate the GPL? :0
[01:33] <Arafangion> ehird: Nope.
[01:33] <ehird> but
[01:33] <ehird> what if someone without a net connection got ubuntu
[01:33] <ehird> they wouldn't be able to modify the source for themselves
[01:33] <sudharsh> JakubS: doesnt return anything
[01:33] <ehird> surely that violates the gpl?
[01:33] <ehird> or at least the spirit?
[01:33] <zorglu_> sudharsh: i dont have swap in it either, but swap are init without issue
[01:33] <zorglu_> sudharsh: both are likely unrelated
[01:33] <Arafangion> ehird: They would be able to get the source via either the same method, or downloading it using /any/ internet connection.
[01:34] <JakubS> swapon /dev/some_device or swapon -a (for all devices)
[01:34] <ehird> Arafangion: to quote debian freesoftware policy, "castaway on a desert island"?
[01:34] <sudharsh> zorglu_: well I have only little memory of 256 megs..so swaps disappearing is a tad weird :)
[01:34] <ehird> what package would contian the source?
[01:34] <sudharsh> JakubS: ok...
[01:35] <JakubS> linux-source or something like that, apt-cache search is your friend
[01:35] <Arafangion> JakubS: I dislike the latest craze about the big VM's and their pathetic claim for "platform and language independence", but I'm also crazy about GC's ;)
[01:35] <sudharsh> JakubS: anyway i could revert to normal...this problem arised today morning
[01:35] <ehird> JakubS: apt-cache source gives me load of crap
[01:35] <ehird> linux-source exists
[01:35] <zorglu_> sudharsh: 'man mkswap' contains instruction on how to get swap enable
[01:36] <sudharsh> zorglu_: okie dokie
[01:36] <zorglu_> ahhh thanks guys for the cpu freq stuff, suddently my compile is twice faster :)
[01:36] <JakubS> Arafangion: well, using VM is like putting a tent in your room and sleeping there :-) but GC (like shared_ptr) can be really useful
[01:36] <TIger_IT> Can anybody say me what files are supousted to be in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu  ?
[01:37] <TIger_IT> I need somone do  ls - A /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu   :)
[01:37] <sudharsh> is there any reason why ubuntu is changing /dev/<hd> to UUID=xxxxx...
[01:37] <TIger_IT> sudharsh: good question!!!!
[01:38] <TIger_IT> sudharsh: fucking UUID!
[01:38] <zorglu_> another thing i have to get, all the pmount stuff
[01:38] <zorglu_> !language
[01:38] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:38] <JakubS> so if you change disk configuration (master/slave, cables) it will still work
[01:38] <arriesp> hi people
[01:38] <sudharsh> JakubS: oh..could have been more readable though...my friended landed in trouble because of this
[01:38] <TIger_IT> arriesp: hi
[01:39] <ehird> if the kernel source isn't family friendly how come this channel has to be :)
[01:39] <zorglu_> because :)
[01:39] <hollywoodb> is it just me or does opera not work with mplayerplugin and/or java plugin ?  flash works OK
[01:39] <snikker> i'm unable to set the resolution 96x96 dpi for normal user, for root work fine... why?
[01:40] <dude_> is it possible to install antiu virus in kubuntu?
[01:40] <JakubS> first you would have to write it :-)
[01:40] <sudharsh> dude_: there is one by avast! but isnt necessary
[01:40] <snikker> dude_:  or use clam
[01:41] <JakubS> ah, i misread, you want antivirus not virus :-)
[01:41] <hollywoodb> actually antivirus isn't a bad idea, and some distros are starting to install clamav by default
[01:41] <sudharsh> reminds me off a quote...Users can mess their system without a stinking virus
[01:42] <ehird> oh i have written a linux virus
[01:42] <eranda> KDE Games don't save high scores? How can I fix this?
[01:42] <dude_> sudharsh: i already installed clamav but
[01:42] <ehird> it deletes your home directory without warning and doesn't even require root privs! scary eh? here's the contents: rm -rf ~/
[01:42] <JakubS> eranda: get higher score :-)
[01:43] <sudharsh> ehird: o.O me gota better one sudo rm /* =rf
[01:43] <eranda> May be I have to change some permissions. But I don't know the what is the file. :(
[01:43] <sudharsh> *-rf
[01:43] <ehird> sudharsh: that requires root priveleges
[01:43] <ehird> which no linux user would do on suspicious progs
[01:43] <eranda> JakubS: Hey I've got the higher score.
[01:43] <ehird> but this one, you just run it and boom!
[01:44] <sudharsh> ehird: hehe...should try it on my dads laptop..
[01:45] <ehird> heck you could even rm -rf ~/ > /dev/null 1&2 to make it silent
[01:45] <ehird> and add an echo "Couldn't start download+compile process. Trying to fix..."
[01:45] <sudharsh> has the repos been updated lately..i didnt get any upgrades for a week even after an apt-get update
[01:45] <ehird> and then use a bash script-->binary compiler to avoid being suspicious :D
[01:47] <ehird> how would i decompress a .tar.bz2 file with tar? command line options for tar confuse me ;/
[01:47] <Arafangion> JakubS: imho, RAII by itself is heaps better than GC, except for one single situation: Some objects just don't have a clear ownership.
[01:48] <Arafangion> JakubS: shared_ptr's are great, except they have two problems: cycles, (which can usually be avoided, anyway), and threading.
[01:48] <JakubS> yeah, bit finding a cycle can be a pain
[01:48] <Arafangion> JakubS: My interest is to make a GC that can be used for this small situation: Where you don't really want shared_ptr's and/or want to support good threading.
[01:49] <ehird> is this a good way to install a source package? `auto-apt run ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall`
[01:50] <fdoving> ehird: don't use auto-apt, it's awfull.
[01:50] <Arafangion> ehird: And checkinstall is also problematic.
[01:50] <ehird> fdoving: was reccomended on help.ubuntu.com
[01:50] <sudharsh> eho
[01:50] <Arafangion> ehird: Use buildroot and it's really, really not hard to make packages properly.
[01:50] <ehird> Arafangion: never had trouble with checkinstall, it installs source packages as apt-get packages. what's the problem?
[01:50] <Arafangion> ehird: Trust me :)
[01:51] <Arafangion> ehird: http://www.quietearth.us/articles/2006/08/16/Building-deb-package-from-source
[01:51] <sudharsh> ehird: try upgrading to feisty when it comes out :D
[01:52] <snikker> i've got a problem with small font for the current user
[01:52] <fdoving> ehird: it installs loads of useless packages. Just warning you. I would never consider using it again, tested it once, that was enought for me.
[01:53] <ehird> ehird@ehird-desktop:/usr/src$ tar -xj linux-source-2.6.17.tar.bz2 = blank output, ideas?
[01:53] <Arafangion> ehird: xvjf
[01:53] <Tm_T> -xvvjf to get a lot output. ;)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder
[01:53] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[01:54] <ehird> v was a bad idea
[01:54] <ehird> but boy it sure takes a while to extract
[01:57] <ehird> now i shall find out how to count the occurences of words in the code :D
[01:57] <hollywoodb> ehird: grep can count lines that have an expressions, not sure about actual expressions
[01:58] <killermach__> I need to clone a laptop hard drive.. I have it in a USB2.0 enclosure, does anyone have recommendations? I have been using partimage, but this time it is complaining about CRC errors, and if I choose to quit, it displays 2 identical CRC numbers, something like current CRC and expected CRC
[01:58] <hollywoodb> killermach__: dd
[01:58] <nerin> ddrescue
[01:59] <ehird> ehird@ehird-desktop:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.17$ grep -HRi "WORD" * works :)
[01:59] <ehird> and is there a tool to count the amount of lines outputted by a program? *g*
[01:59] <killermach__> hollywoodb:  you know.. that is what I have used for years.. thought I would learn something new :) ergo partimage
[01:59] <nerin> wc
[02:00] <hollywoodb> killermach__: sometimes its best to stick with what works ;)
[02:00] <killermach__> ehird: "wc -l " counts lines output
[02:00] <ehird> grepping linux source code BEGIN! :D
[02:00] <killermach__> $ grep -HRi "WORD" * | wc -l
[02:00] <BluesKaj> Howdy all !
[02:00] <ehird> killermach__: exactly what i'm doing :)
[02:01] <ehird> searching for the f word is taking a while :P
[02:01] <BluesKaj> !Flashplayer 9
[02:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Flashplayer 9 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:01] <ehird> immature linux humour, begin!
[02:01] <BluesKaj> !Flash
[02:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:01] <killermach__> ehird: good.. apologies for me not keeping up with the conversation.. I get a lot of good help. so I seize the opportunity to recipricate :)
[02:01] <ehird> result: 55
[02:02] <killermach__> ehird:  the f word is in the kernel ?
[02:02] <ehird> killermach__: 55 times.
[02:02] <ehird> i can post the log :D
[02:03] <arriesp> what's the repository of this page http://seerofsouls.com?
[02:03] <killermach__> ehird: in the comments for descriptions or actually somewhere that outputs kernel logging??
[02:03] <ehird> killermach__: just in the source code
[02:03] <ehird> `grep -HRi "<f word goes here>" * > ~/linux<f word>` now in progress
[02:03] <arriesp> help please
[02:04] <ehird> software should use $CURSE to output the user's preferred obsceinity :D
[02:04] <arriesp> what's the repository of this page http://seerofsouls.com?
[02:05] <ehird> !pastebin
[02:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:05] <ehird> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30162/ log from grep. WARNING: 55 instances of profanity :D
[02:05] <Arafangion> Small texts too.
[02:05] <killermach__> ehird: well.. software is digital.. on/off... it should have no relative statements, good software is found in its exactness
[02:05] <killermach__> :)
[02:06] <ehird> I like line 22 the most.
[02:07] <killermach__> ehird: you may want to use awk and sed, so when your search is done, all the words are replaced.. and you are finished
[02:07] <ehird> killermach__: heh
[02:07] <ehird> but the quality of code is dierctly proportionate to its swear words! :(
[02:08] <_Shade_> anyone here using beryl?
[02:09] <killermach__> why is my ubuntu clock repeatedly incorrect??? this is very annoying
[02:09] <zorglu_> define how incorrect it is
[02:09] <killermach__> I use multi-boot computer.. I HAVE TO HAVE BIOS CLOCK in LOCALTIME
[02:09] <zorglu_> caps are uselessly annoying
[02:10] <killermach__> does anyone know how to fix this so that it will stay??
[02:10] <_Shade_> i can't get it run properly. Windecorations are blinking or there are not displaying at all
[02:10] <JakubS> _Shade_: i'm using beryl
[02:10] <zorglu_> killermach__: put your timezone to UTC
[02:10] <_Shade_> JakubS: any idea how to cope with the problem then?
[02:10] <ehird> is cat-ing the whole linux source code to a file a good idea? :D
[02:11] <JakubS> JakubS: killall emerald ; emerald from konsole fixed problem with blinking windecos
[02:11] <JakubS> eh, _Shade_ rather
[02:11] <ehird> and how do i make cat go recursively in dirs?
[02:11] <JakubS> talking to myself on irc must be really bad sign :-)
[02:11] <killermach__> zorglu_:  hmm.. I prefer the timezone to be correct, and not UTC and have SYSTEM clock (BIOS) not UTC either, every time I reboot, my logs are repeatedly messed up in several OS's
[02:12] <zorglu_> find /usr/src/linux -name "*.[chs" | xargs cat | grep thewordyouarelookingfor < ehird
[02:12] <killermach__> all the other OS's behave.. only when I boot ubuntu it changes the BIOS clock time
[02:12] <_Shade_> JakubS: yep that works for me, thanks
[02:12] <ehird> cat * */*  seems to work
[02:12] <JakubS> for one level...
[02:12] <ehird> zorglu_: not trying to find anything, i want to merge all the source code into a huge ifle :D
[02:13] <zorglu_> ehird: but doesnt :) you miss from subdir
[02:13] <zorglu_> find /usr/src/linux -name "*.[chs" | xargs cat >thebigfile
[02:13] <zorglu_> i missed a ] , it is "*.[chsS] "
[02:13] <_Shade_> JakubS: oops... it works only for all newly opened windows it seems :/
[02:14] <_Shade_> JakubS: heh... it works for none now
[02:14] <ehird> could ls -AR work?
[02:14] <zorglu_> ehird: hehe you dont like my find :)
[02:14] <JakubS> _Shade_: do you have that 'beryl manager' tray icon thingy?
[02:15] <_Shade_> no i dont
[02:15] <_Shade_> i had but i do not now
[02:15] <azzgor> hey
[02:15] <azzgor> is there any way to rollback a update?
[02:15] <_Shade_> i have no idea where is it :)
[02:15] <JakubS> sometimes it is useful - have things like change window manager, restart window manager etc.
[02:15] <zorglu_> azzgor: not that i know of, but i definitly agree it would be a good feature
[02:16] <MidMark> hi guys
[02:16] <azzgor> well, i know i did it once
[02:16] <azzgor> then zserver was broken
[02:16] <ehird> if i do the grub hiddenmenu does it still wait 10 secs before booting?
[02:16] <azzgor> and i realy realy need it again
[02:16] <arriesp> what's the repository of this page http://seerofsouls.com?
[02:17] <zorglu_> ehird: likely, there is a 'timeout' option to tune this delay
[02:17] <ehird> zorglu_: so if i set it to 0 and hit esc it'll give me a menu fine but just leaving it will give no delay?
[02:17] <zorglu_> arriesp: those are the repositories of this page, you asked that at least3time, what kind of answer do you expect ?
[02:18] <_Shade_> JakubS: yes it works now... i hope it would work for more than 5 mins of time :)
[02:18] <zorglu_> ehird: i think so
[02:18] <zorglu_> ehird: note that 0 will not give you much time to hit the key
[02:18] <arriesp> i want to download from this page, but it no work
[02:18] <zorglu_> ehird: another possibility would be that 0 has a special meaning for infinite (quite typical)
[02:18] <arriesp> i put it (that page) at the repos but it not work
[02:19] <MidMark> I've simple question: there is a program that generates a text file with a list of urls that corresponds to all updates for example for ubuntu dapper?
[02:19] <_Shade_> JakubS: have you have the same problem with the adept-updater trayicon?
[02:19] <ehird> so editing the grub options direct is a bad idea but i can edit the options to tweak it? Because i'd like 4 entries, "Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft", "Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft (recovery)", "" (blank spacer), and "Windows XP Home Edition"
[02:19] <arriesp> what i must put in the source.list?
[02:19] <zorglu_> !repos
[02:19] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:19] <JakubS> _Shade_: i removed whole adept-updater thingy - it was eating lots of cpu without reason
[02:19] <zorglu_> arriesp: this page explains how to modify your sources.list
[02:19] <BluesKaj> !Adobe Flash Player 9
[02:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Adobe Flash Player 9 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:19] <zorglu_> !flash9
[02:19] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[02:20] <_Shade_> JakubS: yeah i find adept is a piece of... err... anyways what do you use for update notifications?
[02:20] <ehird> =/
[02:21] <JakubS> apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade every now and then :-)
[02:21] <Deadude> hi i just got kubuntu and when i go to install it loads lots of things then the screen goes all funny colours
[02:21] <zorglu_> JakubS: what is the -u ?
[02:21] <JakubS> shows list of packets to upgrade
[02:21] <zorglu_> ok thansk
[02:22] <zorglu_> Deadude: to be more precise would increase your chance to get helped
[02:22] <Deadude> well
[02:22] <Deadude> i click install
[02:22] <Deadude> it loads a list of things at bottom of screen
[02:22] <zorglu_> hehe is there a page on how to get good help ?
[02:22] <Deadude> then when the screen goes to change (to the install screen i guess) it goes lots of random colours and i cant see anything
[02:22] <zorglu_> believe it or not, this is a skill :)
[02:22] <_Shade_> JakubS: talking about beryl again... can you show me your init file for beryl? mine doesn't work
[02:23] <zorglu_> Deadude: sorry i dont see what is the problem so i have no idea about a possible fix
[02:23] <zorglu_> Deadude: ultra wide guessing, i would say this is a video driver issue
[02:24] <ehird> no ideas?
[02:24] <Deadude> thats what i thought
[02:24] <ehird> on a similar note my TFT chops of text to the left on command lines on bootup, quite  a lot of it. any idea on that?
[02:25] <zorglu_> ehird: some issue somewhere between the bios and/or the video driver
[02:25] <zorglu_> ehird: from the 'only on boot' i would say this is a the bios
[02:26] <azzgor> how can i rollback the nvidia drivers? it just updated
[02:26] <azzgor> and i cant run wow atm
[02:26] <Deadude> uninstall them then install some new ones :)
[02:26] <ehird> zorglu_: nonononononono any text mode does it
[02:26] <gupta> how to 'logout from session' from konsole?
[02:26] <ehird> zorglu_: worked fine on my crt
[02:26] <azzgor> well, those are the newest drivers
[02:26] <JakubS> _Shade_: http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=29451
[02:26] <_Shade_> JakubS: still there ?
[02:26] <azzgor> and i need to downgrade
[02:26] <Deadude> anyone have any ideas for my problem
[02:26] <_Shade_> ah thanks
[02:27] <ehird> any idea how i can customize the grub menu like i asked?
[02:27] <zorglu_> ehird: well i had similar issue once with a laptop, and some option in the bios did it
[02:27] <gupta> !grub
[02:27] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:27] <azzgor> 1nvidia
[02:27] <azzgor> !nvidia
[02:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:29] <_Shade_> JakubS: is it for nvidia users or the ati ones?
[02:29] <ehird> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto didn't help
[02:29] <Deadude> http://ccsd.msoe.edu/filez/faq/411/installkubuntu.jpg << once that screen goes the screen goes pink for a second then turn to ltos fo random colours (im not using it on virtual machine btw)
[02:29] <ehird> I want to customize the text and options displayed for it to make it look nicer
[02:29] <JakubS> _Shade_: i915
[02:30] <_Shade_> JakubS: oh man :( i'm using ati... do you know how can i edit the file to suit it?
[02:31] <JakubS> no idea, i don't even know how it was generated
[02:31] <JakubS> i use aiglx btw
[02:31] <JakubS> never got xgl to work
[02:31] <azzgor> is there any way of downgrading nvidia-glx?
[02:32] <_Shade_> ah... i'm out of luck it seems :)
[02:32] <gupta> Anybody? >> how to 'logout from session' from konsole? kicker equivalent being alt+f1 => 'logout' => 'end current session'
[02:33] <_Shade_> JakubS: you said that emerald runs well when entered from console. Can i just create a bash script and put it to /.kde/autostart ?
[02:34] <JakubS> well, it is not that it didn't work when just started with session
[02:34] <JakubS> but when it misbehaved (once or twice) then killing it and starting again from konsole fixed it
[02:36] <_Shade_> JakubS: ah so it won't actually solve the problem ?
[02:36] <ehird> gupta: `logout`
[02:36] <JakubS> probably not
[02:37] <gupta> ehird: logout gives : logout: not login shell
[02:38] <ehird> gupta try login, then logout
[02:38] <thomas__> Kopete 0.12.3 is out with the bug 136566, along with KDE 3.5.5
[02:39] <gupta> ehird: login gives > "No utmp entry.  You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh""
[02:39] <ehird> gupta: sh, login, logout
[02:39] <ehird> in one line: just type `sh && login && logout`
[02:39] <ehird> hmm no
[02:40] <ehird> `echo login && echo logout | sh`
[02:40] <BluesKaj> trying to copy extracted flash.so file to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ as suggested but "no permissions " disallows it
[02:40] <ehird> BluesKaj: sudo cp
[02:41] <gupta> ehird: still nope
[02:41] <BluesKaj> not using the konsole ehird. I'm trying to copy i from the home file
[02:42] <ehird> BluesKaj: then use the konsole
[02:42] <ehird> gupta: what happens
[02:43] <beowulf-afk> hola
[02:44] <BluesKaj> whats the complete command for copying a file to another in the konsole ?
[02:45] <BluesKaj> or using the konsole rather
[02:45] <gupta> ehird: No utmp entry.  You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh"
[02:46] <thomas__> BluesKaj: cp /path/to/the.file /path/to/new.file
[02:48] <thomas__> i m missing the fix for Kopete in edgy! ICQ is broken @ Kopete
[02:50] <ehird> "Real Life is overrated. It doesn't have any respawn points." "How do you know? Ever played the BuddhaMod 1.02?"
[02:50] <beowulf-afk> just ran the live cd and it looks really nice, but a question I have is ... does ubuntu run better in gnome or kde?
[02:50] <ehird> beowulf-afk: matter of taste, i prefer kde
[02:51] <beowulf-afk> Ive been using kde on my suse for a couple of years now
[02:51] <BluesKaj> nope, the konsole says the target file is not a directory so it won't copy , thomas__
[02:51] <hollywoodb> anyone familiar with beryl know what the 'wiggle menus into view' thing is called so I can disable it ?
[02:52] <BluesKaj> trying to copy the the flash.so file to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[02:52] <beowulf-afk> I heard that there are some issues with the 64bit version? I se the AMD64(X2)
[02:52] <mathilde> je comprend rien c'est koa sa?
[02:53] <BluesKaj> !fr
[02:53] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:56] <korly> hi
[02:56] <emi> #xmen
[02:58] <ehird> !xmen
[02:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xmen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:58] <ehird> xmen use ubuntu!
[03:03] <emi> ok,ubotu...tanks!
[03:06] <enotee> there are 2 wiresless networks near how can i tell wich one i'm connected two
[03:07] <ehird> what are silly things i can do with ubuntu to pass the time? :D
[03:08] <larson9999> ehird: watch youtube
[03:08] <hollywoodb> enotee: iwconfig
[03:09] <BluesKaj> anyone using mythtv in edgy ?
[03:09] <ehird> larson9999: I can do that with windoze.
[03:09] <yamal> ehird: portscan all of 127.0.0.0/8
[03:10] <ehird> yamal: i said, fun :p
[03:10] <BluesKaj> larson i wish I could watch youtube but flash won't play so i'm outta luck
[03:10] <larson9999> BluesKaj: your flash is broken?  too bad
[03:10] <zodux> Requesting help to "swap" soundcard. (Problem: I have two soundcard connected in my computer, 1x Motherboardintergrated AC'97 and 1x Creative Audigy SE, which is the one I want to use.)
[03:11] <BluesKaj> it's not flash that's broken it's the FF2 plugin setup
[03:11] <yamal> BluesKaj: just install flash package from the seveas repository, works fine
[03:11] <Pensacola> why is korganizer broken with edgy?
[03:11] <larson9999> BluesKaj: doesn't flash mean ff plugin to most folks?
[03:12] <larson9999> BluesKaj: works fine here.  you got some kinda goofy setup?
[03:12] <BluesKaj> it won't install properly .I've tried several times using adept \
[03:12] <BluesKaj> it looks like it's installed but it won't play
[03:13] <BluesKaj> nothing out of the ordinary
[03:13] <yamal> BluesKaj: it needs some license to be approved, try synaptic or from console
[03:13] <michele> ciao
[03:13] <michele> is there anybody ?
[03:14] <Ash-Fox> !flash
[03:14] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:14] <ehird> michele: no we're alllll dead
[03:14] <michele> ah ah ah
[03:14] <Ash-Fox> I'm a bot, ignore me
[03:14] <ehird> I'm just an AI script written in cobol
[03:14] <ehird> ;0
[03:15] <Ash-Fox> ehird, I have a big problem :(
[03:15] <ep> How do I do a trace route on the command line, isn't traceroute a linux (bash) command?  traceroute: command not found
[03:15] <ehird> you can make me say stuff using @say stuff
[03:16] <MetaMorfoziS> if i install  a 32bit kubuntu to a 64bit processor, what goes worse than if i install 64bit kubuntu?
[03:16] <ehird> example: (gathering random @say used from database...)
[03:16] <ehird> @say /part
[03:16] <Ash-Fox> ehird, I devided by zero :( http://ash-fox.theden.ws/temp/dev-by-zero
[03:17] <hollywoodb> MetaMorfoziS: worse?
[03:18] <ep> ah, guess I need to install it eh?
[03:18] <MetaMorfoziS> sorry  my english is bad...
[03:18] <MetaMorfoziS> so is there any performance difference between 63bit/32bit os
[03:18] <MetaMorfoziS> on a 64bit processor?
[03:18] <ehird> 63bit, heh
[03:18] <MetaMorfoziS> 54
[03:18] <MetaMorfoziS> 64
[03:18] <MetaMorfoziS> sry...:D
[03:19] <MetaMorfoziS> hm?
[03:19] <hollywoodb> MetaMorfoziS: no big performance difference, 32bit will save you some headaches though
[03:20] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, thats why i want to isntall that but the 32bit isn'T uses all of my cpu or anything?
[03:20] <MetaMorfoziS> umph..
[03:20] <ehird> 64bit is esentially useless
[03:20] <MetaMorfoziS> yes.
[03:21] <hollywoodb> MetaMorfoziS: modern 64-bit processors are designed to run 32-bit just as well
[03:21] <MetaMorfoziS> hm. okay...
[03:21] <larson9999> BluesKaj: you're not using noscript are you?
[03:21] <BluesKaj> ok ehird, installed flashplayer using synaptic ..tried it on youtube...still won't play ...what now ?
[03:21] <MetaMorfoziS> i'M backing up... i'm annoyed about nothing for 64bit... no mplayer binary, no flash9, no googleearth, no some codecs...
[03:22] <BluesKaj> what is noscript?
[03:22] <MetaMorfoziS> you said aobut a firefox extension?
[03:22] <MetaMorfoziS> or a html tag?
[03:22] <larson9999> BluesKaj: it's a ff add on
[03:22] <ehird> where should i put konqueror plugins
[03:23] <BluesKaj> larson9999, nope , only addon i'm using atm is the torrents toolbar
[03:24] <bobesponja> my kde panel is frozen, I can't click on anything, nothing happens, is there a wy to fix this without restarting a session?
[03:24] <abattoir> bobesponja: there is, but you might lose your panel settings... ok?
[03:24] <larson9999> BluesKaj: which repository did you get flash from?
[03:25] <bobesponja> abattoir: tell me about it
[03:25] <MetaMorfoziS> bobesponja: have you enough free space on your root partition?
[03:25] <BluesKaj> imbrandon seveas i beleive , larson9999
[03:25] <abattoir> bobesponja: oh, wait, try 'dcop kicker kicker restart' first in a terminal
[03:25] <MetaMorfoziS> fire up konsole: altf2 -> df -h
[03:25] <abattoir> bobesponja: if that doesn't work, 'killall kicker && kicker'
[03:25] <abattoir> bobesponja: (you won't lose settings, btw)
[03:25] <MetaMorfoziS> abattoir: i think he out fo free space
[03:26] <bobesponja> abattoir: thanx
[03:26] <MetaMorfoziS> not?
[03:26] <MetaMorfoziS> bobesponja:check how many free disk space have
[03:26] <abattoir> bobesponja: ^^^ if what MetaMorfoziS says is true, then try creating some free space before you log off, it might be difficult to log into KDE again w/ little space
[03:26] <MetaMorfoziS> you
[03:26] <larson9999> BluesKaj: hmmm, i've installed it on *ubuntu from there on 5 computers now and they all work fine
[03:27] <BluesKaj> have you tried the youtube site today ?
[03:27] <bobesponja> abattoir: it's ok now thanx
[03:27] <abattoir> bobesponja: ok, good
[03:27] <MetaMorfoziS> kood ;)
[03:27] <larson9999> BluesKaj: just did.  it wasn't working at first on this pc but i turned off noscript and they vids played fine.
[03:28] <bobesponja> actually what happened was that my kicker crashed and while restarting I tried to restart the kde session and when I saw that kicker was restarting automatically I canceld the session closing and then kicker froze
[03:28] <BluesKaj> is noscript listed in the addons ?
[03:28] <larson9999> BluesKaj: the baby laughing game me a good chuckle
[03:28] <MetaMorfoziS>  bobesponja as we said, check how many free space you have!
[03:28] <yango> hey, I'm having memory issues... where can I get a good report about actual memory consumed by programs? is top the best I can do?
[03:28] <larson9999> BluesKaj: yes
[03:29] <BluesKaj> yeah larson9999 =... rub it in ...I've been trying for 2 mornings to get flash to work :(
[03:29] <larson9999> BluesKaj: ff 2.0, right?
[03:29] <ehird> what's a good packet sniffer?
[03:29] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:29] <JakubS> tcpdump
[03:29] <MetaMorfoziS> ethereal
[03:29] <yango> libpcap mainly :)
[03:29] <MetaMorfoziS> ;)
[03:30] <larson9999> BluesKaj: i suppose you've already done things like backup and clear out your plugins dir and start from scratch?
[03:30] <BluesKaj> just when I was gonna switch to kubuntu exclusively this happens
[03:30] <yango> well, has anyone an idea to get (f)actual memory consumption reports?
[03:31] <BluesKaj> larson9999, that's another thing ..permission denied , can't clean out any files at all
[03:31] <larson9999> BluesKaj: on one computer i had a local plugins dir that was being used that had flash 7.  that had me going for a few minutes.
[03:31] <bobesponja> MetaMorfoziS: /dev/sda2             353G  6.0G  329G   2% /home, I think that should be enough :)
[03:31] <cpk1> BluesKaj: is this with ff2?
[03:31] <larson9999> BluesKaj: what dir are you trying to clear our?
[03:31] <larson9999> out
[03:31] <MetaMorfoziS> heheh
[03:31] <BluesKaj> yeah i dumped flash 7 yesterday
[03:31] <ehird> aptget ethereal installs "whitshark"
[03:32] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^ detto for me, but dunnowhy
[03:32] <MetaMorfoziS> on dapper worked fine
[03:32] <BluesKaj> was rying to clean out my home folder of the flash files
[03:32] <MetaMorfoziS> i think the ethereal project renamed...
[03:32] <MetaMorfoziS> or i dunno
[03:32] <BluesKaj> suddenly  , permission denied
[03:32] <larson9999> BluesKaj: and you don't have permissions to your home area?
[03:33] <BluesKaj> i did an hr ago
[03:33] <larson9999> BluesKaj: sounds like the ownership of your home dir got changed.
[03:33] <BluesKaj> shit!
[03:33] <BluesKaj> how doi i correct that ?
[03:33] <MetaMorfoziS> yes ehird the ethereal project renamed to whitshar
[03:33] <MetaMorfoziS> wireshark
[03:33] <cpk1> chown?
[03:34] <larson9999> BluesKaj: i got to eat. chown should do it.
[03:34] <cpk1> BluesKaj: you almost might want to look into what caused the change into ownership...
[03:34] <cpk1> also* not change...
[03:35] <arriesp> ola
[03:35] <MetaMorfoziS> ehird: http://www.wireshark.org/
[03:37] <ehird> wireshark didn't work
[03:37] <MetaMorfoziS> why?
[03:37] <ehird> it captured plenty of MSN and IRC transitions but none on my jabber account... using kopete
[03:37] <ehird> o.O
[03:38] <MetaMorfoziS> you eenabled some filters
[03:38] <MetaMorfoziS> but if you checked the ssl using in kopete for jabber
[03:38] <ehird> nope, i didn't
[03:38] <ehird> and i am using ssl yeah
[03:38] <MetaMorfoziS> okay, so if you found the stream you only see some encrypted strings...:D
[03:38] <arriesp> Hawkwind:  how i must add the repos of your page for download and install enlightenment?
[03:39] <ehird> right but google talk requires ssl
[03:39] <MetaMorfoziS> ehird i try
[03:39] <ehird> so how could i use the transmission to decrypt it
[03:39] <MetaMorfoziS> but about a motnh ago i found my jabber on ethereal
[03:40] <MetaMorfoziS> the main goal ssl is that you can'T decrypt it... in a good situation
[03:40] <MetaMorfoziS> only the two partner can encrypt and decrypt that
[03:40] <MetaMorfoziS> imo
[03:40] <ehird> but i need to get an ip for debug purposes..
[03:40] <stamen> hi
[03:40] <stamen> who can tell me a good NVIDIA TVout tool
[03:41] <MetaMorfoziS> did you started wireshark as root?
[03:41] <stamen> which can work with NVIDIA 6600
[03:41] <ehird> MetaMorfoziS: yep
[03:43] <MetaMorfoziS> ehird try close anything that communicates on the network
[03:43] <MetaMorfoziS> forexample irc and other
[03:43] <MetaMorfoziS> and do again the sniff
[03:43] <ehird> can't, guy is offline now
[03:43] <MetaMorfoziS> and next you need to find  some tcp protocol
[03:44] <MetaMorfoziS> i think you disappeared the tcp in the first try
[03:44] <MetaMorfoziS> because you found MSNMS adn others
[03:44] <MetaMorfoziS> but that is not jabber, it's tcp iirc
[03:44] <jkelly2005> hello everyone. im having trouble installing the nvidia drivers in kubuntu. ive installed nvidia-glx and tried to do sudo nvidia-glx enable but i get an error saying that its unable to load the nvidia driver.
[03:45] <MetaMorfoziS> jkelly2005: install all linux-restriced-modules
[03:45] <MetaMorfoziS> not all, that that is for you
[03:47] <Hawkwind> arriesp: http://SeerOfSouls.com/ubuntu.html  tells you that information
[03:47] <jkelly2005> MetaMorfoziS: well, i have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-386 installed. uname -r tells me i have 2.6.17-10-386.
[03:49] <MetaMorfoziS> then reboot
[03:49] <jkelly2005> MetaMorfoziS: i did
[03:49] <ehird> is perl a good thing to learn or is it a Bad Thing(tm)? :p
[03:49] <MetaMorfoziS> okay, then i dunno, try find your problem on http://ubuntuforums.org
[03:50] <MetaMorfoziS> you not alone with nvidia card, it is impossible to only you have this problem...:D
[03:50] <ehird> and wget should SO support bittorren
[03:50] <ehird> t
[03:52] <hollywoodb> ehird: the point of bittorrent is to share the bits of the file you have downloaded.  Since wget is simply a 'fetch' and not 'provide' tool, it would defeat the entire purpose
[03:52] <larson9999> ehird: perl is a good thing.  i'm thinking that with perl 6.0 it will be an even better thing to learn.
[03:52] <ehird> larson9999: meh, i don't really like cstyle languages tho
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> ehird: perl is great
[03:53] <larson9999> ehird: if you don't like it don't learn it.
[03:54] <larson9999> i think programmers should take the basic course(either formal or teach yourself) for a good 20 or so languages.  just my opinion
[03:54] <ehird> 20? :o
[03:55] <hollywoodb> I just started learning java 5 this semester, I kind of like it.  All I've done previously is bash scripting (extensively)
[03:55] <larson9999> ehird: yeah. gives a good base for general knowledge and also a good base to judge what you want to specialize in. again: just my opinion
[03:56] <h3sp4wn> If you learn C properly you can write in anything else without much hassle (so I believe) - I can write most things in perl or shell - but interpretted languages suck
[03:56] <ehird> larson9999: personally i prefer python-like languages, e.g. python (of course), ruby, ...
[03:58] <h3sp4wn> ehird: learn a language that is compiled instead of interpretted (lisp can be compiled but it is a higher level language) - interpretted is slow
[03:59] <ehird> h3sp4wn: I <3 Untrue Programming Myths
[03:59] <ehird> <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
[04:00] <Pensacola> why is korganizer broken with edgy?
[04:00] <bomber> a few times now  when i start up the computer my network isnt working.... I tried running dhcpclient and dhcpclient2 and didnt have any luck either... i ended up rebootin both times...
[04:00] <h3sp4wn> ehird: So why is kde written in C++ not python then because if it was written in python it would be dog slow
[04:00] <bomber> any other ideas i can try the next time it happens to save me from rebboting a 2nd time
[04:01] <ehird> h3sp4wn: it could be made pretty fast.
[04:01] <archangel_> I just installed edgy on my parents pc and for the first time the internet is not automaticly configures, what do I do?
[04:01] <ehird> the difference just isn't that significant.
[04:01] <ehird> archangel_: lemme guess, tiscali modem?
[04:01] <archangel_> ethernet ehird
[04:02] <archangel_> ehird: cable modem
[04:02] <larson9999> ehird: if you already have a preference and and aversion to C, why ask if you should spend time learning a c like language?  sounds like you already made up your mind.
[04:02] <h3sp4wn> ehird: http://tenser.typepad.com/tenser_said_the_tensor/2006/08/python_vs_perl_.html
[04:02] <Pensacola> when I try to start korganizer I get the error 'KDEinit couldn't start korganizer'
[04:03] <larson9999> it's like everything else, the best is to know when an interpreted language is better to use and vice versa.  also, lots of interpreted languages can be compiled
[04:03] <ehird> h3sp4wn: just wrong.
[04:03] <h3sp4wn> ehird: That is just the performance of a few loops
[04:04] <hollywoodb> Pensacola: worksforme
[04:04] <Pensacola> hmh
[04:04] <Pensacola> I can open it if I open a calender file, but klicking on the tray icon doesn't do anything
[04:05] <h3sp4wn> ehird: He even provides the code - the perl / python part is irrelevant but the fact is the C++ version is orders of magnitude faster than either
[04:05] <archangel_> help
[04:05] <ehird> h3sp4wn: i've saved them to a file, gonna do his test now
[04:05] <hollywoodb> archangel_: use lspci to figure out what chip the network card is and search the forums for that
[04:06] <archangel_> ok
[04:07] <ehird> done. the difference was much less than he reported.
[04:07] <ehird> So.
[04:08] <archangel_> nvidia ck84 ethernet  hollywoodb
[04:09] <archangel_> hollywoodb: do I look for drivers even though I have a green check mark beside it in the network screen?
[04:09] <juan2342> will freenode allow me to connect on 8001 without any problems?
[04:10] <charly_> #ubuntu.es
[04:10] <charly_> cual es el canal de ubuntu en espaol?
[04:10] <abattoir> #ubuntu-es
[04:10] <archangel_> oops ck804
[04:10] <charly_> asias
[04:11] <hollywoodb> archangel_: I don't believe you need drivers for that card, but I could be wrong. check the forums. it may just be a network configuration issue
[04:11] <juan2342> whats the command or best way to run multiple instances of firefox (2.0) in kubuntu?
[04:11] <abattoir> juan2342: File->New Window ?
[04:11] <h3sp4wn> ehird: Whatever - I haven't seen a single place where python even works faster than perl - never mind C or C++
[04:12] <archangel_> hollywoodb: ahh ok, great thank you
[04:13] <hollywoodb> h3sp4wn: some nice stuff is done in python, like exaile and a lot of other gnome/gtk apps
[04:13] <juan2342> no i mean a completly new instance, the equivelent of moz_noremote=1 (or something like that) in windows, it allows multiple profiles to run without checking if FF is running or if i have multiple sessions runing
[04:15] <ehird> h3sp4wn: fyi, c = 47msec, perl = 245, python = 410
[04:16] <xsacha> and asm?
[04:16] <ehird> xsacha: heh, give me the code and i'll test it :D
[04:16] <xsacha> just would be nice to test against
[04:16] <xsacha> to see if there is any room beneath 47
[04:16] <abattoir> juan2342: 'firefox -P <profile name>' ?
[04:17] <juan2342> that doesnt work if im allready running an instance
[04:18] <h3sp4wn> ehird: And C with optimisation on the compiler ?
[04:18] <ehird> h3sp4wn: i it may hit 20ms. it's still irrelivent
[04:19] <abattoir> juan2342: you can't launch the profile manager and choose your profile too?
[04:20] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Good morning
[04:21] <abattoir> Hawkwind: hi, Hawkwind :), 'morning to you too
[04:21] <juan2342> nope if im already running a firefox instance any firefox command will just open a new window
[04:21] <h3sp4wn> ehird: Irrelivent to you - I like my system to have as fast interactive performance as possible and interpretted apps are noticably slower to me
[04:22] <hollywoodb> juan2342: /usr/bin/firefox is a symlink that points to /usr/lib/firefox/firefox, which is a bash script... check out the bash script to find out what's going on
[04:24] <abattoir> juan2342: ok, try exporting MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 as an environment variable
[04:24] <abattoir> juan2342: or 0, if that's what you want
[04:26] <abattoir> juan2342: or launch firefox w/ -no-remote
[04:26] <juan2342> thx
[04:26] <abattoir> juan2342: works?
[04:27] <juan2342> yes
[04:28] <juan2342> is there anyway to check if a process is running by using a script?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> how does one "unshare" a file in order to delete it ?
[04:29] <morphish> juan2342: thief off of eggdrop's botchk, which checks if eggdrop is running and if not starts it ?
[04:30] <cntb> anyone uses xen ?
[04:30] <h3sp4wn> juan2342: What do you mean ? what process ?
[04:30] <h3sp4wn> cntb: Yes
[04:30] <h3sp4wn> cntb: (not to run windows though if that is the question)
[04:30] <nickenyfiken> how do i know what version of Kubuntu i have installed? I thought i had 6.10 installed but the help about section says 6.06...
[04:30] <cntb> h3sp4wn: have it installed  and working now ?
[04:31] <cntb> rather run second linux?
[04:31] <cntb> h3sp4wn:  ?
[04:31] <abattoir> nickenyfiken: 'lsb_release -a'
[04:31] <abattoir> (in a terminal, of course)
[04:32] <juan2342> i mean if firefox is a running process
[04:32] <nickenyfiken> abattoir: thanks
[04:32] <h3sp4wn> cntb: Yes - dom0 is running on debian etch
[04:33] <cntb> what ? what is dom0
[04:33] <h3sp4wn> cntb: Have edgy / fedora 6 (some test release) as domU
[04:33] <csills> Anybody have an idea on how to install libss10.9.6 for yahoo messenger
[04:33] <cntb> wait a sec h3sp4wn
[04:33] <h3sp4wn> cntb: Dom0 is the host system - domU is the guest's
[04:33] <felixjet> can i make a paste of 4 lines?
[04:34] <csills> sure
[04:34] <felixjet> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this
[04:34] <felixjet> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following
[04:34] <felixjet> command:
[04:34] <felixjet> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
[04:34] <felixjet> otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section
[04:34] <felixjet> from nv to nvidia.
[04:34] <felixjet> i get this error when i did nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:34] <felixjet> and i have "nvidia" instead of "nv" in the xorg.conf - driver section
[04:35] <felixjet> should i ignore it?
[04:35] <grothesk> Hi there!
[04:35] <cntb> h3sp4wn:  http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/Xen-Download-2333.html took sources from there
[04:35] <cntb> how to install
[04:35] <gnomefreak> felixjet: open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make sure driver is set to nvidia if not change it to nvidia
[04:35] <h3sp4wn> cntb: edgy already has it in
[04:36] <cntb> put all in /temp/install
[04:36] <cntb> oh yeah
[04:36] <cntb> I am on edgy
[04:36] <felixjet> gnomefreak:  16:39]  <felixjet> and i have "nvidia" instead of "nv" in the xorg.conf - driver section
[04:36] <h3sp4wn> cntb: You need to read the documentation or you won't be able to use it
[04:36] <h3sp4wn> !xen
[04:36] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[04:36] <csills> Hello  does anybody know how to install libss10.9.6
[04:36] <grothesk> I do habe an issue with nvidia-glx on edgy. It will drag kernel-i386 onto my system and afterwards kernel-generic is not usabel with X.
[04:36] <gnomefreak> felixjet: if already nvidia than ignore it. its just telling you it cant change it becasue its already changed
[04:36] <h3sp4wn> felixjet: md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum (from sudo -i)
[04:36] <felixjet> oh, okey
[04:36] <csills> I am tryin to setup yahoo messenger on ubuntu
[04:37] <grothesk> csills: Take gaim.
[04:37] <grothesk> csills: Or kopete
[04:37] <csills> ok
[04:37] <felixjet> h3sp4wn:  bash: /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum: Permiso denegado
[04:37] <felixjet> :S
[04:37] <felixjet> (from sudo -i)
[04:37] <h3sp4wn> felixjet: so you ran sudo -i - and then that command
[04:37] <XVampireX> Hey, anyone armed and ready to help me?
[04:38] <felixjet> yes h3sp4wn
[04:38] <BluesKaj> well. I've done all i can to install Flash 9 to make it work with FF2 , but no luck so far... it won't install in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ like it's supposed to with the other media plugins.... so i'm at a loss as to what to do next . I've tried copying the file to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ , but it won't give me the option to "copy to"
[04:38] <XVampireX> how do I open up a link in a new tab in konqueror?
[04:38] <felixjet> felixjet@ubuntu:~/Desktop/Conquista$ sudo -i md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
[04:38] <felixjet> bash: /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum: Permiso denegado
[04:38] <h3sp4wn> felixjet: I find it hard to believe root cannot write to that file - but not impossible
[04:38] <XVampireX> I mean
[04:38] <felixjet> Permiso denegado = dennied
[04:38] <XVampireX> If I click on a link it should open it up in a new tab
[04:38] <XVampireX> from external apps
[04:39] <h3sp4wn> felixjet: You didn't do what I said
[04:39] <h3sp4wn> felixjet: sudo -i
[04:39] <abattoir> XVampireX: Settings->Configure Konqueror->Web Behaviour->Tabbed Browsing...
[04:39] <h3sp4wn> felixjet: md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
[04:40] <h3sp4wn> felixjet: seperately
[04:40] <felixjet> okey
[04:40] <felixjet> done, but no msg output
[04:40] <h3sp4wn> felixjet: Now the nvidia program should not complain
[04:40] <felixjet> root@ubuntu:~# md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
[04:40] <felixjet> root@ubuntu:~# exit
[04:40] <felixjet> logout
[04:41] <felixjet> yep, right.
[04:41] <felixjet> Warning: your X configuration has been succesfully changed.
[04:41] <felixjet> In order to take full advantage of the changes, X needs to
[04:41] <felixjet> be restarted.
[04:41] <felixjet> thanks :)
[04:43] <mal> hello
[04:43] <ubuntu_> how do I partition so when I install kubuntu i dont stuff up XP?
[04:43] <mal> for partition easy turn ntfs into fat32
[04:44] <johan_> hello :D
[04:44] <XVampireX> abattoir: It's says there to open it up in a new tab, but yet if I click on a link here it opens up in a new window
[04:45] <abattoir> XVampireX: you might need to close all instances of konq. and restart for the settings to kick in
[04:46] <XVampireX> abattoir: Might is not the best answer, it was already set there, I didn't change anything
[04:46] <abattoir> XVampireX: sorry, can't always provide the *best* answer, some people consider 'something better than nothing' when it comes to being helped
[04:47] <XVampireX> abattoir: Alright, thanks anyways :)
[04:47] <abattoir> (it works here though)
[04:47] <a_mule_> Hello
[04:47] <BluesKaj> well. I've done all i can to install Flash 9 to make it work with FF2 , but no luck so far... it won't install in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ like it's supposed to with the other media plugins.... I'll ask again... i'm at a loss as to what to do next . I've tried copying the file to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ , but it won't give me the option to "copy to" ...any ideas ?
[04:48] <a_mule_> anyone an idea what i did wrong here ?
[04:48] <a_mule_> Failed to fetch http://nl.security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-security/Release.gpg  Could not resolve 'nl.security.ubuntu.com'
[04:48] <a_mule_> get this error for all of the mirrors in sources.list
[04:48] <abattoir> a_mule_: afaik, security.ubuntu.com doesn't have regional mirrors
[04:48] <abattoir> a_mule_: did you add the nl yourself?
[04:48] <a_mule_> abattoir: yups.
[04:48] <zorglu_> a_mule_: you didnt made any mistake, it is a external error, the dns name cant be resovled
[04:49] <abattoir> a_mule_: remove the nl, and you should be good to go
[04:49] <XVampireX> abattoir: it seems that what I set in default applications settings is to open everything in konqueror, so instead of taking the settings from the apps themselves, it opened up in a new window, so I fixed it now, oh well
[04:50] <abattoir> XVampireX: oh, ok
[04:50] <a_mule_> abattoir: Voila, thanks. That whas the trick.
[04:50] <juan2342> is it possible to set an icon for a window for a link, e.g 1 of my FF links launches with 1 icon and another with a 2nd (both firefoxes have different processes) ?
[04:51] <abattoir> a_mule_: good :)
[04:52] <a_mule_> what would be a smarter thing to do.... install j2re1.4 or just java5 ?
[04:52] <zorglu_> !java
[04:52] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[04:52] <zorglu_> juan2342: i dont understand what you mean, can you elaborate
[04:53] <a_mule_> ubotu: thanks.
[04:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanks. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:53] <zorglu_> a_mule_: ubotu is a bot. it has been trigger by the command i typed
[04:53] <zorglu_> triggered
[04:54] <juan2342> all my windows have thier icons in the start menu/top left of the window (i cant rember which setting ive set to do this) i have 2 versions of FF that i launch of seperate links, and id quite like the 2 different profiles to keep different icons
[04:54] <ehird> I've just realised that GNU/Linux is incorrect, Linux is the core of the system and GNU is optional to it so it should be Linux/GNU
[04:55] <larson9999> years ago i realised that the name of linux should be left up to linus
[04:56] <BluesKaj> how does one "unshare" a file ? some how a file i'd like to delete got "shared" and now i haven't permission to delete it .
[04:57] <zorglu_> juan2342: hmm ok, i think you should do 2 profile with firefox, and then create 2 icons launching firefox with those profiles.
[04:57] <zerak> may i bother with a question about sound problem, tried :  "$ /usr/bin/speaker-test"   -> ... "Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory"
[04:57] <cpk1> BluesKaj: huh? sharing it how?
[04:58] <zorglu_> firefox -P yourprofilename <- it will launch firefox on a given profile, juan2342
[04:58] <BluesKaj> cpk1, this the name of the file :  /home/kaj/.local/share/Trash/files/flash-player-plugin-9.0.21.55
[04:58] <cpk1> and I take it you cant empty the recycle bin?
[04:58] <juan2342> ive got that, and ive also got -no-remote so they run as seperate processes, but i cant seem to find a setting to change the window icon
[04:58] <zorglu_> ehird: you forgot all the name of the stuff which are not from gnu fsf and from the kernel :)
[04:59] <BluesKaj> when i want to trash it ...that's the message
[04:59] <cpk1> you could just do sudo rm -rf  /home/kaj/.local/share/Trash/files/flash-player-plugin-9.0.21.55 and that will guarentee super nukage
[04:59] <zerak> make sure you got the right and owner of the file before deleting
[04:59] <a_mule_> GStreamer, could be used in Kubuntu also ?.....
[04:59] <ehird> zorglu_: that's included in "linux"
[04:59] <abattoir> a_mule_: can, yes, why do you need it?
[04:59] <ehird> how do i install flash 9? there's many conflicting guides about it.
[04:59] <zorglu_> ehird: oh so linux is everything except the gnu fsf stuff ?
[04:59] <BluesKaj> cpk1, no I'm trying to trash the flash-player-plugin-9.0.21.55 file
[05:00] <ehird> zorglu_: 99% of software on your linux machine is gnu stuff
[05:00] <zorglu_> !flash9
[05:00] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[05:00] <a_mule_> abattoir: to play embedded media in firefox
[05:00] <ehird> the other 1% is part of the distro, not Linux
[05:00] <zorglu_> ehird: hehe :)
[05:00] <cpk1> BluesKaj: care to explain the difference between removing and trashing?
[05:00] <zorglu_> ehird: well not even close
[05:00] <BluesKaj> none
[05:00] <abattoir> a_mule_: oh, i'm not very sure about that then, but yes, you can use gstreamer
[05:00] <zorglu_> cpk1: removing is deleting the file, trashing being to copy it in a special directory called trash
[05:01] <cpk1> BluesKaj: you do not want this file correct?
[05:01] <a_mule_> abattoir: Ok, thanks. i will try it.
[05:01] <BluesKaj> right , cpk1 ..nopoint in having a file if it won't install properly
[05:01] <arriesp_> xao gente
[05:01] <cpk1> BluesKaj: so why dont you want to use rm on it?
[05:02] <zerak> may i bother with a question about sound problem, tried :  "$ /usr/bin/speaker-test"   -> ... "Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory"
[05:02] <BluesKaj> I've tried 'everything" i know to make Flash9 work but it refuses to so i might as well delete it
[05:03] <ehird> zerak: type /dev/audio at the command prompt, what does it say
[05:03] <cpk1> BluesKaj: we are just talking about the tar or package or whatever you used to try to install it right?
[05:03] <ehird> is there a way to fool nano into thinking /dev/audio is a normal file? *g*
[05:04] <BluesKaj> yeah it's the tar pkg that I dl'd yesterday
[05:04] <BluesKaj> it won't install in the right directory
[05:05] <cpk1> BluesKaj: you just untar it into the directory you want it in?
[05:05] <magical_trevsky> is it possible to get amarok 1.4.4 on dapper, or is it only for edgy?
[05:05] <BluesKaj> I tried that , it won't go there !
[05:05] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: Can you not just copy the file to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:06] <BluesKaj> that's the wrong file
[05:06] <cpk1> BluesKaj: anyways if you want to rid yourself of the .tar just use sudo rm (or sudo rm -rf if it is really stubborn)
[05:06] <a_mule_> Another question,,, i added the commercial repositorie and dit apt-get update. still it tells me realplay / opera cannot be found...
[05:06] <cpk1> *nothing* survives sudo rm -rf
[05:07] <BluesKaj> cpk1, it has to install into /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[05:07] <grothesk> a_mule_: Edgy? Those apps are not yet in thist repo.
[05:07] <cpk1> BluesKaj: so why dont you untar it in there?
[05:07] <a_mule_> grothesk: yup edgy it is.
[05:07] <BluesKaj> it doesn't untar to that file
[05:07] <a_mule_> grothesk: that means its impossible to get it installed under edgy ? how edgy is that .... :)
[05:07] <BluesKaj> it fails
[05:07] <cpk1> saying?
[05:08] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: if you use chattr +i (then you can make files immutable even to rm -rf)
[05:08] <BluesKaj> no such file or directory
[05:08] <arunkale> hey people
[05:08] <cpk1> BluesKaj: mkdir /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[05:08] <arunkale> can anyone tell me again how to upgrade safely from dapper to edgy?
[05:09] <a_mule_> arunkale: yesterday that is what i try'd following the official instructions. but it messed up my dapper. i had to reinstall
[05:09] <BluesKaj>  cannot create directory `/usr/lib/firefox/plugins/': File exists
[05:09] <abattoir> arunkale: it's a painful process... are you up for it? ;)
[05:09] <cpk1> haha
[05:09] <BluesKaj> weird eh /
[05:09] <cpk1> whats the permissions of /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[05:09] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: just put it into ~/.firefox/plugins )you don't want to install into /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ as the package manager uses that
[05:10] <ironfroggy> I just upgraded to edgy and when i restarted, X would not come up because it could not find the "fixed" font.
[05:10] <ironfroggy> I don't even know where to look for this
[05:10] <arunkale> ok?
[05:11] <abattoir> ironfroggy: try reinstall xfonts-base, install xfs and reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:11] <abattoir> *reinstalling
[05:12] <zerak> ehird: permission denied
[05:13] <zerak> ehird: crw-rw---- 1 root crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 4 2006-11-04 12:08 audioaudio 14, 4 2006-11-04 12:08 audio
[05:13] <zerak> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 4 2006-11-04 12:08 audio
[05:14] <grothesk> Noone here having issues with nvidia-glx and kernel-generic?
[05:14] <ehird> zerak: weird
[05:14] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn, then why does /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ contain al the other media type *.so files but not flash ?
[05:15] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: That is for systemwide ones (usually installed by the packagemanager)
[05:15] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: If you are installing just for yourself (which I would do for a beta)
[05:16] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: Then ~/.firefox/plugins is the place
[05:16] <BluesKaj> there is no such file , h3sp4wn
[05:16] <CyberSix> will the instructions for 6.10 release work if i'm trying to upgrade from breezy, rather than 6.06?
[05:17] <BluesKaj> cpk1, there are no permissions ...they're all "greyed out"
[05:17] <cpk1> BluesKaj: oh well, pretty sure h3sp4wn knows what he is talking about =)
[05:17] <zerak> ehird no clues then? I have probably done something silly, i usually do like missreading or accidently push something that makes the computer blow up
[05:18] <ehird> zerak: i have a button like that on my keyboard, it says "boot windows"
[05:19] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: [samw@spacecat]  (~)% ls -l ~/.mozilla/plugins/ | grep -v total
[05:19] <h3sp4wn> -rwxr-xr-x 1 samw samw 6753912 2006-10-19 02:15 libflashplayer.so
[05:19] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: It is definately working here (but making firefox seriously slow - I may remove it)
[05:20] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: Are you sure you have the firefox plugin downloaded not the external flash player
[05:20] <harmental> i've smoothly upgraded to edgy.....all works perfectly...i just have a little problem with folders named w/special characters
[05:20] <BluesKaj> what was that last command you suggested supposed to do , h3sp4wn ?
[05:20] <arunkale> abattoir: how painful?
[05:21] <arunkale> harmental how did you upgrade?
[05:21] <abattoir> arunkale: lot's of users have complained about something or the other breaking
[05:21] <abattoir> arunkale: but then, if you do things carefully, there should be little to worry about
[05:21] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: Show you that that is where it is supposed to go
[05:21] <arunkale> abattoir: okay, i'm going to give it a shot anyway, and i've backed up all my data.. if anything goes wrong, i can still access my windows partition right?
[05:21] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: (and the correct filename - there are 2 tar.gz's
[05:22] <BluesKaj> flash-player-plugin-9.0.21.55
[05:22] <abattoir> arunkale: yeah, that shouldn't be affected
[05:22] <arunkale> abattoir: grub will be intact?
[05:22] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: it makes your ff slow?  how so?
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: Is that a folder or file ?
[05:22] <abattoir> arunkale: yes, it should be
[05:22] <BluesKaj> folder
[05:22] <arunkale> abattoir: so, how do i start? and is there anything i should keep in mind?
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: All you need is the libflashplayer.so from the folder
[05:23] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: mkdir -p ~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:23] <ehird> anybody have a vim tutorial for total newbies? newbies as in i can't figure out how to make it let me type :D
[05:23] <h3sp4wn> ehird: just run ``vimtutor''
[05:23] <abattoir> arunkale: use aptitude if you can, and make sure important packages like xserver-xorg aren't held back, if they are, install them manually
[05:24] <ehird> h3sp4wn: bash: vimtutor: command not found
[05:24] <arunkale> abattoir: how do i make sure they aren't held back
[05:24] <h3sp4wn> ehird: if you are on edgy you might need to install the vim package instead of vim tiny
[05:24] <BluesKaj> ok h3sp4wn done, ~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:24] <abattoir> arunkale: you'll be told if they are being held back, look for those messages and make sure you install those packages
[05:24] <arunkale> abattoir: what command(s) do i need to use to upgrade? do i need to restart or can i open a konsole right now and begin?
[05:25] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: cd flash-player-plugin-9.0.21.55; cp libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:25] <abattoir> arunkale: no, you can begin right now
[05:25] <arunkale> abattoir: how do i begin?
[05:25] <larson9999> my 5 year old loves adventure games.  just finished pajama sam.  will i scare him for life if i introduce him to sam & max hit the road?
[05:25] <abattoir> arunkale: change all instances of dapper to edgy in sources.list, and then sudo aptitude update
[05:25] <harmental> arunkale..i followed the wiki....
[05:25] <larson9999> s/scare/scar
[05:25] <harmental> all worked fine though
[05:25] <ehird> larson9999: no, you should do it
[05:25] <arunkale> harmental: what wiki
[05:25] <ehird> i played sam'n'max when i was 8/9
[05:25] <abattoir> arunkale: and then sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[05:26] <ehird> larson9999: maybe you should do day of the tentacle first, though, to ease the transition :p
[05:26] <arunkale> abattoir: that's it?
[05:26] <larson9999> ehird: maybe.  i have them all
[05:26] <abattoir> arunkale: yep, that's all
[05:26] <Th3_Cr0up13R> hey guys 1 quick question
[05:26] <ehird> larson9999: i have a sizable collection of lucasarts games
[05:26] <harmental> arunkale....wait.....ill look for it.....
[05:26] <arunkale> and i should close all my programs, right?
[05:26] <abattoir> arunkale: reboot, and you'll be in edgy, if it all went well
[05:27] <Th3_Cr0up13R> if something is in bz2 format how do i uncompress it ?
[05:27] <abattoir> arunkale: not really necessary
[05:27] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: using scumvm ?
[05:27] <ehird> abattoir: that's unsupported so don't
[05:27] <BluesKaj> ok done , h3
[05:27] <zerak> ehird thank you, will have to go somewhere else to find why the sound is malfunctining, once worked in dapper
[05:27] <larson9999> ehird same here.  i think i have just about all
[05:27] <abattoir> ehird: which is?
[05:27] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: yep
[05:27] <ehird> update-manager -c seems to be the reccomended way
[05:27] <arunkale> !upgrade
[05:27] <BluesKaj> ok done , h3sp4wn
[05:27] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[05:27] <heinkel_111> hi everyone
[05:27] <abattoir> ehird: update-manager is an ubuntu tool
[05:27] <ehird> larson9999: i use the monkey island theme as a ringtone <.< >.>
[05:28] <larson9999> ok.  dott it is.
[05:28] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: and if you run ls -l ~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:28] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: is it there ?
[05:29] <arunkale> abattoir: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade -- should i do all this? or just follow your method
[05:29] <BluesKaj> yup
[05:29] <abattoir> arunkale: both are pretty much same, you could follow that
[05:29] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn, , it's there
[05:29] <arunkale> abattoir: ok.. and can i keep firefox open so that i can copy-paste the commands?
[05:29] <abattoir> arunkale: yeah, sure
[05:29] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: chmod 755 ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so (mine is set to 755 anyway)
[05:29] <a_mule_> What is the default download folder when u use " wget " ?
[05:29] <harmental> arunkale: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php
[05:30] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: I take it you removed the other flash player prior to attempting to install this one ?
[05:30] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:30] <abattoir> arunkale: i'd have redirected you there, but i pm'd ubotu which gave me the wrong link
[05:30] <arunkale> abattoir: thanks a lot .. i'll be online here as well, updating you guys on the progress hehe
[05:30] <abattoir> arunkale: good luck :)
[05:30] <BluesKaj> yes i did ... it was vers 7 i believe
[05:30] <ehird> hjkl for controlling? what are these guys smokin'?
[05:31] <arunkale> abattoir: is it very time consuming on a fast connection, and if anything happens, can i just stop the upgrade midway
[05:31] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: run ``sudo dpkg -P flashplayer-nonfree'' to make sure
[05:31] <larson9999> ehird: back then there wasn't much else.  not so bad once you get used to it.  i like it so much i even use visearch to google
[05:32] <ehird> larson9999: i still think it's silly
[05:32] <abattoir> arunkale: speed depends on the mirror... if you 'stop' during the downloads, you can resume it later
[05:32] <arunkale> abattoir: also, is there some GUI way of doing this
[05:32] <ehird> maybe cause i'm so used to doom and WASD :)
[05:32] <abattoir> arunkale: unfortunately no
[05:32] <a_mule_> Nevermind /home/user....
[05:32] <arunkale> abattoir: ok thanks
[05:32] <arunkale> i'm starting now
[05:32] <abattoir> arunkale: doing it through adept pretty much screws up your system
[05:32] <larson9999> ehird: actually very economic having the navigation keys at your finger tips.
[05:32] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn, warning: ignoring request to remove flashplayer-nonfree which isn't installed.
[05:32] <harmental> i've smoothly upgraded to edgy.....all works perfectly...i just have a little problem with folders named w/special characters such as ,   
[05:32] <harmental> any hints?
[05:33] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: that is ok then
[05:33] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: Just load firefox and it should now be working
[05:33] <BluesKaj> cool thx h3sp4wn ...i hope it works :)
[05:33] <ehird> well since i want to switch sometime what about dvorak keyboards?
[05:33] <ehird> those keys are all over the place
[05:33] <ehird> it should use the home row right hand of DVORAK, HTNS
[05:34] <larson9999> ehird: i suppose you'd have to remap them if you want the same finger placement
[05:34] <ehird> larson9999: surely there's a vim-dvorak or whatever?
[05:35] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn, SUCCESS! ...muchos gracias !
[05:36] <larson9999> ehird: maybe but even then it's probably just a config file that has the mapping for you.
[05:36] <larson9999> BluesKaj: so what did you goof up?
[05:36] <arunkale> abattoir: holy shit 634 mb of archives
[05:37] <ehird> vimtutor confusion; in the insert example are you meant to do a seperate insert, type, esc for each position you need to insert to? because you lose the navigation keys upon using i
[05:38] <josh__> hi people
[05:38] <josh__> how do you get album art in amarok?
[05:38] <arunkale> josh__: right click on the album art space and select 'fetch from amazon'
[05:38] <ehird> josh__: its enabled by default
[05:38] <arunkale> in the context menu
[05:38] <ehird> arunkale: wouldnt reccomend that, amazons covers are low quality
[05:38] <ehird> there's some scripts to download from itunes using some url hashing magick
[05:38] <ehird> get them
[05:38] <josh__> where's the album art space though
[05:39] <ehird> josh__: context dialog
[05:39] <arunkale> josh__: in the context menu
[05:39] <cntb> can I apt-get
[05:40] <ehird> cntb: no it's illegal
[05:40] <cntb> h3sp4wn: still here ?
[05:40] <arunkale> heheh
[05:40] <cntb> ehird wrong enter
[05:40] <cntb> hehe
[05:40] <ehird> cntb: you need a license
[05:40] <cntb> enough ehird
[05:40] <arunkale> cntb: what do you need to do
[05:41] <cntb> h3sp4wn:  ?
[05:41] <h3sp4wn> cntb: why ?
[05:42] <maddog39> kubuntu sux i have to say, not impressed at all, Xubuntu and U untu are a billion times better
[05:42] <cntb> installing xen now? do you know which packages are indispensable
[05:42] <arunkale> i'm getting edgy just for the shiny login screens haha
[05:43] <cntb> h3sp4wn: it is taking some time
[05:43] <h3sp4wn> cntb: the xen kernel xen-tools and the hypervisor
[05:44] <cntb> BTW there exists a Edgy Eft DVD having it all , right ?
[05:44] <KennyTheFreak> WHY DO I HAVE TO RESTART X TO MAKE IT WORK IN 24BIT???? IM SICK OF IT!!!
[05:44] <maddog39> lol
[05:44] <KennyTheFreak> Each time i start my computer it works in something like 8bit >_<
[05:44] <maddog39> get GNOME, solve these problems :P
[05:44] <cntb> h3sp4wn: hypervisor? will check that
[05:44] <KennyTheFreak> Its both in Gnome and KDE
[05:44] <maddog39> oh well Xfce dont have that problem
[05:45] <KennyTheFreak> AND, gnome MAKES the problems sometimes btw
[05:45] <fdoving> KennyTheFreak: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change DefaultDepth to 24?
[05:45] <KennyTheFreak> tried that aswell
[05:45] <cntb> ty h3sp4wn
[05:45] <KennyTheFreak> fdoving: it IS 24 bit as DefaultDepth
[05:45] <cntb> xen kernel xen-tools and the hypervisor are the indespensable pkgs for xen to work ok
[05:45] <fdoving> KennyTheFreak: ok, what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say about this?
[05:46] <KennyTheFreak> momento
[05:46] <fdoving> KennyTheFreak: post it to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:46] <ace> hi
[05:46] <BluesKaj> larson9999, i had the libflashplayer.so in the wrong ffplugins dir
[05:47] <KennyTheFreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30185/
[05:47] <Volken> hello, when installing Kubuntu, the installer stops at the point where on the dialog shows "Scanning the mirror..." and it shows 1% ... it lasts too long
[05:47] <ace> one letter on my keybaord doens't work anymore, it's the letter between O and Q
[05:47] <Volken> I install Dapper
[05:47] <larson9999> BluesKaj: where did you have it?
[05:47] <KennyTheFreak> ace: theres MANY letters between O and Q
[05:48] <KennyTheFreak> Seven to be exact
[05:48] <ace> KennyTheFreak
[05:48] <KennyTheFreak> /precise
[05:48] <KennyTheFreak> ace: yeah?
[05:48] <ace> okay, if you want to look it that way, then it's the letter right next to O
[05:48] <KennyTheFreak> P or I?
[05:48] <ace> right
[05:48] <ace> so not I
[05:48] <KennyTheFreak> P
[05:48] <KennyTheFreak> k...
[05:48] <Volken> hello, when installing Kubuntu dapper, the installer stops at the point where on the dialog shows "Scanning the mirror..." and it shows 1% ... it lasts too long
[05:48] <ace> ye!
[05:49] <zerak> hmmm the right have changed since dapper, notice that a user can no longer access other partition (fat32), access denied
[05:49] <KennyTheFreak> Volkem: probably because freecontrib is down
[05:49] <wallander> why
[05:49] <KennyTheFreak> *Volken
[05:49] <wallander> why
[05:49] <KennyTheFreak> ace: are you using the pc105 driver?
[05:49] <ace> I guess so
[05:49] <wallander> why
[05:49] <ace> I saw it somewhere
[05:49] <wallander> why
[05:49] <ace> is it broken ?
[05:50] <wallander> why
[05:50] <KennyTheFreak> try to do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[05:50] <wallander> why
[05:50] <ace> wallaner: because ?
[05:50] <Volken> KennyTheFreak: how do I continue the installation, grub ain't installed
[05:50] <wallander> no
[05:50] <KennyTheFreak> Wallander: why what?
[05:50] <wallander> why is life a cookie?
[05:50] <esari> Cookies nad milk, mmm...
[05:51] <zerak> feels like my filesystem right have been ******* up
[05:51] <wallander> why
[05:51] <ace> KennyTheFreak: I'd rather not do thatit's starts messing with my vid cards and I have a 3-head set u (and that doesn't go automagically I can tell ya !
[05:51] <wallander> why
[05:51] <KennyTheFreak> Volken: ehm... with the live disk? http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories << do that and then try to install
[05:52] <wallander> why
[05:52] <KennyTheFreak> Wallander: cause God was hungry
[05:52] <wallander> was he?
[05:52] <wallander> why?
[05:52] <KennyTheFreak> ace: oh... and i can't remember how to edit the kbd without the reconfigure...
[05:52] <Volken> KennyTheFreak: how about skip the upgrading try ?
[05:53] <wallander> why
[05:53] <Volken> attempt*
[05:53] <zerak> Edgy gets thumb down... sure more fun things but it surely messed up a lot and removed startup manager
[05:53] <ace> I will look into xorg.conf and change to c104 ??
[05:53] <wallander> why
[05:53] <ace> (missing letter: c104 ?)
[05:53] <Volken> KennyTheFreak: It passed to 2%
[05:53] <KennyTheFreak> Wallander: cause he didnt eat for a week? he used the time to create earth, and then he was hungry, so he made the mobile snack, also called Humans
[05:53] <wallander> why
[05:53] <KennyTheFreak> Volken: thats a good sign...
[05:54] <wallander> why humans? I prefer lions
[05:54] <KennyTheFreak> Wallander: but lions where to hairy
[05:54] <BluesKaj> larson9999, i had it in my home folder cuz it weouldn't install in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ like all the other media player *.so files
[05:54] <wallander> KennyTheFreak sucks
[05:54] <KennyTheFreak> Wallander: and humand dont try to eat you
[05:54] <pointwood> anyone experience digikam not wanting to display photos? it has suddenly started just giving me a black screen :(
[05:54] <ubuntu_> #kubuntu-es
[05:54] <wallander> KennyTheFreak sucks
[05:55] <larson9999> BluesKaj: oh, that'll do it.
[05:55] <ironfroggy> how do i reinstall an already installed package and what is the command for reconfiguring a package?
[05:55] <josh__> how do i get adept out of read only mode?
[05:55] <wallander> why
[05:55] <wallander> why
[05:55] <BluesKaj> so h3sp4wn had me make a file ~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:55] <KennyTheSnack> josh__: kill it, and start it with kdesu <app>
[05:55] <wallander> why
[05:56] <georgeb> ironfroggy: dpkg-reconfigure  to reconfigure
[05:56] <wallander> KennyTheFreak sucks
[05:56] <KennyTheFreak> Wallander: cause the frog you saw when you was 4 had wings
[05:56] <ironfroggy> georgeb: thanks, and do force a reinstall of an existing package?
[05:56] <wallander> why
[05:56] <KennyTheFreak> with --help :P
[05:56] <wallander> why
[05:56] <wallander> why
[05:56] <reginaldo> somebody speak portuguese?
[05:57] <Hawkwind> !pt
[05:57] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[05:57] <ironfroggy> isnt there an op in here?
[05:57] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: Yes
[05:57] <KennyTheFreak> Wallander: cause it ate endoplasmatic flys
[05:57] <ironfroggy> cause this "why" crap kills noise ratio
[05:57] <wallander> why
[05:57] <ace> pppp!
[05:57] <larson9999> man, i have to go to work monday.  not sure i remember how
[05:58] <ace> Kenny the Snack yep ! I am back in the business of P !
[05:58] <ace> Need to get the old keybaord from the trash, I dunked it
[05:58] <ironfroggy> Hawkwind: thank you so much.
[05:58] <ace> funny huh
[05:58] <XVampireX> ironfroggy: next time !ops
[05:58] <ace> this from a clean install of edgy
[05:58] <josh__> whats the command to open adept
[05:58] <Hawkwind> josh__: sudo adept
[05:58] <XVampireX> ironfroggy: this summons them :P
[05:59] <ironfroggy> wtf i cant recongigure xserver-xorg-core because it cant connect to an X server, it says...
[05:59] <xsacha> dont run it as root?
[05:59] <josh__> not working
[05:59] <josh__> i remember there is a command that fixes it
[05:59] <xsacha> adept_manager
[05:59] <ironfroggy> doesnt the adept entries in the menu launch it with kdesu anyway?
[05:59] <josh__> i found it on kubuntu forums one times
[05:59] <KennyTheFreak> josh__: do kdesu as it is a x app
[05:59] <xsacha> yes
[05:59] <Hawkwind> !adept crash fix | josh__
[05:59] <ubotu> josh__: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[06:00] <xsacha> kdesu adept_manager
[06:00] <josh__> thank you
[06:00] <ironfroggy> i was also told i should install xfs to fix my font troubles, but i see no such package.
[06:00] <xsacha> LOL
[06:01] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: hiya, how you doing?
[06:01] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: just upgraded to edgy ? remove any reminants of xserver-xorg-driver-* (sudo aptitude purge xserver-xorg-driver~i) and reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[06:02] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: the driver packages have to do with fonts?
[06:03] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: to do with abi version mismatch usually
[06:03] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: But if you upgraded with apt you probably need to do that
[06:03] <ironfroggy> i used adept
[06:03] <ironfroggy> but im sure its the same
[06:04] <Hawkwind> TheGateKeeper: I can't complain :)
[06:04] <ironfroggy> if you need to do this when you upgrade, why doesnt the upgrade just do this?
[06:04] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: :-)
[06:04] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: dist-upgrading with adept is an unwise thing to do
[06:04] <a_mule_> Anyone knows what the default font is in Kubuntu Edgy. i installed the ms core fonts, and know all looks :S :S
[06:04] <josh__> omfg
[06:04] <josh__> adept wont run anymore
[06:05] <h3sp4wn> josh__: take it as a blessing
[06:05] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: well anyway, i cant install kubuntu-desktop
[06:05] <BluesKaj> has anyone been able to run FF2 with MediaWrap without FF crashing ?
[06:05] <josh__> why
[06:05] <josh__> i'm so mad now
[06:05] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: says it depends on packages that wont be installed (so shouldnt it just install them?)
[06:05] <josh__> !adept crash fix
[06:05] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[06:05] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: because adept trashed the dist-upgrade probably
[06:05] <ironfroggy> i mean, i thought that was the whole point of a package manager.
[06:05] <josh__> god
[06:05] <josh__> it works now
[06:06] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: apt-get / aptitude work properly for major upgrades adept doesn't
[06:06] <josh__> aww no it doesnt F***
[06:06] <ironfroggy> isnt adept just an apt frontend?
[06:06] <josh__> yes
[06:06] <josh__> but its way easier
[06:06] <Hawkwind> Yes
[06:06] <Hawkwind> josh__: Not really
[06:06] <josh__> i'm always searching for packages and installing random tools
[06:06] <ironfroggy> then how does that make sense?
[06:06] <Hawkwind> sudo apt-get install <package> is pretty darn simple
[06:06] <josh__> but i like to see whats there
[06:07] <Hawkwind> josh__: apt-cache search
[06:07] <larson9999> errr, where did the file systems gui go in edgy?
[06:07] <Hawkwind> josh__: If you learn apt-get, you'll find it's just as easy, plus it works all the time :)
[06:07] <ironfroggy> people dont want to type, they want to click.
[06:07] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: dist-upgrading from dapper to edgy works with aptitude / apt-get but breaks horribly with adept or synaptic (do you agree with that ?)
[06:07] <Hawkwind> !hidden-root | larson9999
[06:07] <ubotu> larson9999: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[06:08] <larson9999> Hawkwind: thanks.
[06:08] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Adept is horrible. Just like most all other GUI package managers out there for every distro
[06:08] <ironfroggy> why does apt complain about dependancies that wont be installed, instead of just installing them?
[06:08] <josh__> omg
[06:08] <josh__> i fixed it
[06:08] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: It shouldn't
[06:08] <ironfroggy> they wouldnt be horrible if any devs cared about gui package managers, but they are always ignored.
[06:09] <josh__> effin right
[06:09] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: Only if the packages are built incorrectly will it do that
[06:09] <josh__> thx for that apt-cache thing
[06:09] <enzo_> is there a 686 available for 2.6.17-10?
[06:09] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: Speak to mornfall about Adept.  He's the creator/maintainer
[06:09] <josh__> i reinstalled adept and the program that hung adept installed and went through
[06:09] <ironfroggy> Hawkwind: i dont understand how it can do that. if it _knows_ the package depends on it, how could it not know to install it?
[06:09] <Hawkwind> enzo_: Use the -generic kernel, it does everything for you
[06:09] <enzo_> Hawkwind: Thank you
[06:10] <larson9999> Hawkwind: that seems to address konqueror and gtk widgets.  i'm looking for the gui in the system settings or kcontrol.  there was a dialog for file systems.  that's what i don't see.
[06:10] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: You need to learn how packaging works
[06:10] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: True - but the fact is as well as being horrible (more importantly) it doesn't work right
[06:10] <TheGateKeeper> ironfroggy: if you want to use a gui, use synaptic
[06:10] <ironfroggy> i know how packaging works. i am mostly very good with it, until it breaks like this.
[06:10] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: You know how to package debs ?
[06:10] <ironfroggy> but im saying people, in general, like to click. i havent packaged debs particularly, no.,
[06:10] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: If you don't then you don't truly understand how packaging works.
[06:11] <ironfroggy> eggs are so much easier :-)
[06:11] <Hawkwind> You can do so many things to cause problems by having the wrong thing in a control or spec file
[06:11] <d0uglas> hi.. what's the mount command for an ipod the name of which shows up as /dev/disk/by-label/DOUGLAS or in the past as /dev/sda2?
[06:11] <cntb> what is the keyring manager for kde >?
[06:11] <cntb> I need it for krusader
[06:11] <markelhas> hello my frends
[06:11] <ironfroggy> Hawkwind: yes but how could it break like this unless you have to seperately define the dependancies and the packages to install to satisfy them, which seems like a terrible thing to do?
[06:12] <cntb> poor krusader ! I asked it to look for smb: local XPs and it asks me password for every share which is about 20 times too dab
[06:12] <ironfroggy> i mean, doesnt it make sense that when this error comes up, apt might just try and install the packages in question?
[06:12] <cntb> dab => bda
[06:12] <cntb> =>bda
[06:12] <cntb> =>bad
[06:12] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: It can happen, very easily.  I don't have the time to explain it all to you as I don't all of it.  But I package stuff for Mandriva/*Ubuntu all day long so I know how easy it is to break things
[06:12] <cntb> hehe
[06:13] <cntb> smb experts around?
[06:13] <markelhas> can any onle explain to me why my kunbutu in battery icon show cpu 600 Mhz when my laptop is 1.600?
[06:13] <ironfroggy> Hawkwind: well are those two sets of packages ('things i depend on' and 'things to install for me') seperate like it seems it would have to be for this error to even be possible?
[06:13] <ironfroggy> markelhas: throttled?
[06:14] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: I don't know, I'd have to dig into the packaging to be honest
[06:14] <ironfroggy> Hawkwind: well you create packages you said, and you dont list those dependancies in two seperate places, do you?
[06:14] <markelhas> what!?
[06:14] <markelhas> didn't understand sorry
[06:14] <markelhas> ..
[06:14] <ironfroggy> markelhas: its a simple question. is your cpu throttled.
[06:15] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: run ``dpkg -C'' fix the packages which are broken
[06:15] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: They can be.  All depends on the package.  To understand it all learn how to build packages. You can go on for days on end about this
[06:15] <DralaFi> is the defaut run level of kubuntu, 2?
[06:15] <josh__> hey one more thing
[06:15] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: thanks
[06:15] <markelhas> humm i don't know the minig of that
[06:15] <markelhas> one mmt
[06:15] <josh__> in kopete, files send very slow
[06:16] <josh__> but i receive them fast
[06:16] <josh__> same with webcam
[06:16] <josh__> its like it limits my upstream bandwith
[06:16] <josh__> but in amsn its way faster
[06:16] <josh__> is there any options for this
[06:16] <hollywoodb> markelhas: by default your cpu is using 'ondemand' performance governor, this means that once you do something cpu-intensive it'll jump up to full speed, but when you're just sitting on IRC and things like that it sits down at 600MHz to keep your system cool
[06:16] <enzo_> I can't get into my desktop
[06:16] <hollywoodb> markelhas: the change in processor throttling is instantaneous, so there's really no downside to it
[06:16] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: If you run sudo dpkg --configure -a (it will give you reasons why certain ones fail)
[06:17] <enzo_> The new kernel from edgy won't work
[06:17] <markelhas> okis
[06:17] <markelhas> thnks
[06:17] <markelhas> i'm very fresh in linux
[06:17] <sync350> Hey, when I go to Kmenu -> system settings... there is no choice for display, is there a way to download it?
[06:17] <markelhas> sorry about stupied kestions
[06:17] <ironfroggy> hmm... so i now see that when i try to run kdm, it just does nothing. no logs, no process, nothing.
[06:17] <h3sp4wn> sync350: try running ``kdesu kcontrol'' more complete interface
[06:17] <hollywoodb> markelhas: its really nice that way, on my laptop the fan barely ever kicks in using 'ondemand' governor, so my laptop is completely silent
[06:18] <markelhas> okok
[06:18] <ironfroggy> and 'dpkg --configure -a' gives me no output at all
[06:18] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: Is there no broken packages in dpkg -C ? You cannot expect it to work with broken packages
[06:19] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: nothing, no.
[06:19] <sync350> h3sp4wn: still not there :(
[06:19] <markelhas> i'm descovering my kunbutu
[06:19] <markelhas> :)
[06:19] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: And what is the error message stopping you from installing kubuntu-desktop (full error message)
[06:20] <enzo_> this is my error from loading after GRUB... BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-2ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash)
[06:20] <TheGateKeeper> markelhas: dapper or edgy?
[06:20] <enzo_> then it says...        /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[06:20] <enzo_> any ideas?
[06:20] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: it said some python-qt bindings wouldnt be installed, but i installed them and it went smoothly.
[06:20] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: but now kubuntu-desktop is installed ?
[06:20] <markelhas> edgy i think, last one 6.10
[06:21] <markelhas> any tips for it?
[06:21] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: yes
[06:21] <markelhas> how do u do to responde to some one in main chat?
[06:21] <markelhas> to put nickname of some one first
[06:21] <TheGateKeeper> markelhas: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[06:22] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: run sudo update-fonts-alias && sudo update-fonts-scale && sudo update-fonts-dir
[06:22] <ironfroggy> kdm is running now, but with no Xserver...
[06:22] <nadvornik> Hi!
[06:22] <markelhas> i've kunbutu!
[06:22] <XVampireX> Hi
[06:22] <XVampireX> Kubuntu
[06:22] <TheGateKeeper> markelhas: first few letters, press tab to complete then write your message
[06:22] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: so its running on the console I don't understand
[06:23] <XVampireX> Can I somehow make dpkg/apt-get be nice to my CPU?
[06:23] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: Do you have a framebuffer version of qt ?
[06:23] <TheGateKeeper> markelhas: kubuntu == ubuntu + kde desktop :-)
[06:23] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: there is a kdm process, but it doesnt seem to be doing anything.
[06:23] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: no
[06:23] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: okis
[06:23] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: thkns man
[06:23] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[06:23] <TheGateKeeper> markelhas: yw :-)
[06:23] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: going to check the site
[06:24] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: just try running xinit see if X starts then look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:24] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: this is the reason i like linux, everyone trying to help
[06:24] <TheGateKeeper> markelhas: :-)
[06:24] <mandango> does anyone know where I can find system specs for Kubuntu?
[06:25] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: Or try moving xorg.conf somewhere else and running Xorg -probeonly
[06:25] <hollywoodb> mandango: like system requirements or hardware info on your current system?
[06:25] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: yesterday i was almost givinup from linux, but then i enter in this chat and my problems where resolved
[06:25] <ironfroggy> "Server error." and nothing in the logs.
[06:26] <mandango> hollywoodb: basically, what the minimum requirements for the pc to run the os
[06:26] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: it was #ubuntu, but the spirit is the same
[06:26] <DralaFi> doh, with latest driver, I can't load ipw2200 firmware
[06:26] <TheGateKeeper> markelhas: excellent, quite a few good people here, & if that doesn't work you can always use the forums
[06:26] <DralaFi> getting -2 error
[06:26] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: the forum, :((((((((((( no one help me there
[06:27] <TheGateKeeper> marileide: it's the same distro just different desktop
[06:27] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: i'm trying to install linux one year
[06:27] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: sudo apt-get install --reinstall -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg xorg
[06:27] <method|> why is adept updater requesting that i remove nvidia-glx?
[06:27] <TheGateKeeper> markelhas: usually you get an answer back in hours
[06:27] <method|> anyone else getting that notification?
[06:27] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: Its adept not working right that has caused this
[06:27] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: :(, my cpu always in 100%
[06:27] <aknapp> Guys, im trying to install Kubuntu from the livecd. I'm at the part where you manually setup partition table. I select my prime partition as "/" and then another for swap. I click next and it says
[06:27] <aknapp> No root file system
[06:27] <aknapp> What do I need to do?
[06:28] <TheGateKeeper> markelhas: that fixed ?
[06:28] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: i post some questions, but no one help me out
[06:28] <method|> aknapp: it did that to me too
[06:28] <method|> i forgot what i did to fix it
[06:28] <aknapp> >_<
[06:28] <method|> oh yeah
[06:28] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: yes the problem was that i was installing linux in a pre partion made by partion magic
[06:28] <method|> aknapp: manually format the partition you want to put / on
[06:28] <aknapp> ok, i'll give that a shot. tnx
[06:29] <method|> anyone else getting the remove nvidia-glx request from adept adapter?
[06:29] <method|> i dont want to remove it
[06:29] <TheGateKeeper> markelhas: good old partition magic strikes again...
[06:29] <method|> im liking my beryl
[06:29] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: last night a cool person in #ubuntu told me to try installing from a fresh none partition and use livecd tool
[06:30] <TheGateKeeper> markelhas: good advice :-)
[06:30] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: Kubuntu now runnig 5 stars, and ppl help runing windows apps in linux
[06:30] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: i'm simple very very happy with kubuntu
[06:30] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: I prefer it to ubuntu
[06:30] <aknapp> method| that worked like a charm, thanks.
[06:31] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: i've to find some apps that i used in windows
[06:31] <TheGateKeeper> markelhas: glad to hear it
[06:32] <TheGateKeeper> markelhas: Windows to Ubuntu Transition Guide: http://www.pcmech.com/show/os/917/
[06:32] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: one thing that i've tried to install in my desktop was ubuntu, but i've one problem
[06:32] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: your the man :)
[06:33] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: i'm using utorrent in my desktop, i've ddl some app to use in ubuntu but none of them works fine
[06:33] <TheGateKeeper> markelhas: well I don't know about that, but I have collected a few bit & pieces: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/%28k%29ubuntunotes
[06:33] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: i don't know you to config it
[06:34] <TheGateKeeper> markelhas: why don't you use ktorrent?
[06:34] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: yap last night i use it and simple perfect
[06:34] <cntb> ty TheGateKeeper
[06:34] <aknapp> I don't understand this: "The test of the file system with type fat32 in partition #5 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) found uncorrected errors."  this is durrent install)
[06:35] <aknapp> It shouldn't be doing anything to that partition.
[06:35] <TheGateKeeper> cntb: yw :-) what did I do ?
[06:35] <ehird> question: why do people use $HOME when ~/ exists?
[06:36] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: i was trying to install a app, that i don't remember the name now, something like shareazza to linux
[06:36] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: i tried that line you gave and it said the confmiss needs to = something
[06:36] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: joins emule torrent and gnutella in one web based app
[06:36] <DralaFi> ehird, why do people use ~/ when cd exists?
[06:36] <ehird> DralaFi: err... what?
[06:36] <ehird> ~/ is not a replacement for cd
[06:37] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: just try it with just one package at a time then (I know the syntax is correct)
[06:37] <DralaFi> ehird, who said?
[06:37] <ehird> cd ~/ is what I meant, people use cd $HOME/ in scripts alot
[06:37] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: i've foward all ports from router, but didn't work
[06:37] <ehird> i just dunno why
[06:37] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: same error
[06:37] <DralaFi> ehird, export HOME=/home/foouser somescript.sh
[06:37] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: so i've installed windows again, but know i'm really thinking to instal kubuntu in it
[06:37] <DralaFi> ehird, open a shell, type cd and press enter
[06:38] <DralaFi> cd gets you to your ~
[06:38] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: i haven't don yet because of my printer
[06:38] <aknapp> anyone?
[06:38] <ehird> DralaFi: hmm yes but you can't do like "texteditor ~/file"
[06:38] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: try like apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install that then
[06:38] <ironfroggy> ugh this is a terrible mess :-(
[06:38] <ehird> but in scripts, i see "texteditor $HOME/file" used, is it just equivilents?
[06:38] <DralaFi> ehird, ~/ afaik always expands to the user that runs it. whereas root can run a script that uses $HOME as long as he exports a new value.
[06:39] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: the fault of adept though
[06:39] <ehird> or do some distros not have ~
[06:39] <DralaFi> ehird, all distros have ~
[06:39] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: still, no change
[06:39] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: i dont see how. i just did used apt.
[06:39] <DralaFi> doh, i have no udev because it's on the stupid initrd
[06:40] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: because it doesn't support all the debconf functionality (only most of it) - hence the system becomes broken in subtle ways
[06:40] <larson9999> is it me or is robert heron seem to beem whenever someone mentions windows?
[06:40] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: apt, you mean?
[06:41] <oem> hallo
[06:41] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: adept
[06:41] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: i used apt.
[06:41] <oem> kann mir jemand helfen?
[06:41] <DralaFi> ehird, imagine a script, ls ~/ If root runs it, this expands to ls /root/, but if root wants to do it to another user? export HOME=/home/foo script.sh   where it will do ls /home/foo even though the user is root and ~ would expand to /root
[06:41] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: 17:06 < ironfroggy> i used adept
[06:42] <ironfroggy> i was mistaken.
[06:42] <markelhas> going to use samba
[06:42] <markelhas> :P
[06:42] <TheGateKeeper_> damn ISP :-(
[06:42] <oem> anyone who speaks german here?
[06:42] <cntb> windows has sndvol32.exe for sndvol level. what is the KDE equivalemt for sound level ?
[06:42] <ehird> DralaFi: is this a Good Thing(tm) to use or not? :p
[06:42] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: I find that unlikely (due to the conversation afterwards)
[06:43] <ehird> cntb: kmixeer
[06:43] <ciga> hi. I have two boxes (with edgy). I'd like to have both CPU to "help" each other. How do I do that?
[06:43] <ehird> *kmixer
[06:43] <cntb> ty ehird
[06:43] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: it is true.
[06:43] <ciga> CPUs :)
[06:43] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: once it is hosed without --confmiss ing the relevant parts you have no chance
[06:43] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: i specifically remember watching (for hours) as all the different things were configured and repeatedly checking my terminal to see if its done.
[06:43] <oem> #linux.de
[06:43] <ehird> cntb: for the record i reccomend keeping it at 100% through all chains of audio and adjust volume at the speakers/headphones
[06:43] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: what does that mean
[06:44] <DralaFi> ehird, not sure if it's a Good Idea (tm), but it would allow for some flexibility, which is always nice to have. The thing is, one could make a script either way.
[06:44] <cntb> myabe I dont have it installed
[06:44] <ehird> cntb: unlikely
[06:44] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: read the apt / dpkg documentation - may have changed for your specific version however it works perfectly here so I cannot help you further
[06:44] <ehird> See that audio icon in the systray?
[06:44] <arunkale> ok people .. what were your reasons for upgrading to edgy (those of you who did)
[06:44] <ehird> well, that's kmixer.
[06:44] <cntb> default install on alternate put gnome then I manually added thru synaptic kde
[06:44] <TheGateKeeper_> back latter...
[06:44] <cntb> what is kmixer s path
[06:44] <ehird> cntb: it's part of even kde-core.
[06:45] <ehird> cntb: `kmixer`
[06:45] <cntb> locate on konsole could not show me
[06:45] <cntb> ok where on menus
[06:45] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: well thanks for all the help thus far.
[06:45] <ehird> oh sorry
[06:45] <ehird> cntb: it's kmix
[06:45] <cntb> tried on start run  winlogo +r kmixer
[06:46] <ehird> cntb: try kmix
[06:46] <cntb> ah kmix not kmixer
[06:46] <ironfroggy> YAY i fixed it
[06:46] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: have you tried reconfiguring xserver-xorg etc
[06:46] <cntb> right
[06:46] <cntb> breeze ty
[06:46] <ironfroggy> except i need to rebuild my xorg.conf and i cant remember how
[06:46] <_sandra> !mp3
[06:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:46] <aknapp> "The test of the file system with type fat32 in partition #5 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) found uncorrected errors."
[06:46] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: move xorg.conf somewhere else and run Xorg -probeonly
[06:46] <aknapp> can someone tell me what this means?
[06:46] <ironfroggy> h3sp4wn: thats it thanks
[06:46] <ciga> !cluster
[06:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cluster - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:47] <ehird> is /tmp cleared automatically somehow or does my script have to do that manually
[06:47] <cntb> funny it is very quiet as opposed to windowsw same speakers vol position
[06:47] <hollywoodb> ehird: a good script cleans up after itself
[06:48] <ehird> hollywoodb: ah but it may be useful for people to access these files for a very short time afterwards
[06:48] <ehird> so is /tmp cleaned on bootup/shutdown?
[06:48] <hollywoodb> ehird: then they should go in /var/
[06:48] <cntb> ehird what is HDA intel in kmix
[06:48] <cntb> is it global vol?
[06:49] <DralaFi> high definition audio from intel
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: Why do you need to un-initrd ?
[06:49] <DralaFi> the new intel8x0 audio cards
[06:49] <ehird> hollywoodb: no, they aren't very likely to be accessed
[06:49] <arunkale> umm i'm upgrading from 6.06 to 6.10.. what happens to my codecs, etc
[06:49] <cntb> ok so vol is vry quiet
[06:49] <arunkale> that didnt come with kubuntu
[06:49] <DralaFi> h3sp4wn, i've installed new kernel, and initrd is evil :)
[06:49] <ehird> just files for a text editor to save to so they can be uploaded to a server
[06:49] <ehird> obviously if it goes wrong users could quickly recover it from /tmp
[06:49] <ehird> but it isn't good to have it hanging around too long
[06:50] <DralaFi> h3sp4wn, only ever useful if you have to run lvm and i never have to
[06:50] <DralaFi> or raid
[06:50] <ehird> just a simple question...
[06:50] <hollywoodb> DralaFi: or the kernel modules for you / filesystem aren't built in to the kernel
[06:50] <hollywoodb> DralaFi: and default (k)ubuntu kernel has ext3 support as a module
[06:50] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: I prefer everything as modules - trivial to stop unwanted things loading in the initrd anyway
[06:51] <DralaFi> hollywoodb, yes but who *doesn't* build drivers for their / into the kernel?
[06:51] <DralaFi> some things make sense as modules, some don't
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: Everything as modules (and I use a custom kernel)
[06:51] <NickNak> ehird: /etc/default/rcS sets how long files are kept in /tmp
[06:52] <ehird> NickNak: so they will be autocleaned. thanks
[06:52] <ehird> what EXACTLY does beryl do?
[06:53] <DralaFi> ehird, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_%28window_manager%29
[06:53] <Hawkwind> !beryl
[06:53] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/  -  Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl.
[06:53] <ehird> and is putting a bash script that i will use regularly like a real prog (very regularly) in /usr/bin the best thing to do, or..
[06:53] <h3sp4wn> ehird: /usr/local/bin
[06:53] <ehird> h3sp4wn: alright thanks
[06:54] <ehird> DralaFi: will it run on a 32mb sis mirage card? XD
[06:54] <DralaFi> ehird, or mkdir ~/bin && cp script.sh ~/bin and set your path in your ~/.bashrc
[06:54] <sync350> h3sp4wn: you got any other ideas for getting to the display setting... cause the "kdesu kcontrol" didn't have it either
[06:54] <h3sp4wn> ehird: keep anything not handled by the package manager in /opt or /usr/local (its easier)
[06:54] <DralaFi> ehird, it's probably too old to run it :P
[06:54] <DFM_> Anyone having problems with frostwire?
[06:55] <ehird> DralaFi: but I could run something like that on windows probably ;/
[06:55] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[06:56] <ehird> well for a non-nvidia or non-ati card etc. what apt-getness would i need to do to try it out?
[06:57] <dinosaur-rus> after I installed nvidia-glx package, I can't use "nvidia" module. it says "API mismatch: the client has the version 1.0-8774, but this kernel module has the version 1.0-8776"
[06:58] <dumbkiwi> dinosaur-rus: Did you get the right nvidia package to match your kernel?
[06:59] <usamahashimi> hi all
[07:00] <dinosaur-rus> dumbwiki: I selected "nvidia-glx" package
[07:01] <usamahashimi> how can i download/install offline English dictionary (which can give me the meanings of English words)
[07:02] <dinosaur-rus> dumbwiki: I used apt-get, so I hadn't much variants :/
[07:02] <enzo_> Where does thunderbird save your emails?
[07:03] <usamahashimi> !dictionary
[07:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dictionary - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <ehird> aptget says "This APT has Super Cow Powers" and Aptitude says "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers" - is this just a joke?
[07:04] <chx> hi. when on battery, my laptop is smart enough to switch off Bluetooth but I would like to switch off wifi, too. How could I do that? (the hardware is dell x1, intel mini pci wifi card)
[07:04] <DralaFi> usamahashimi, you can get dict from dict.org
[07:05] <usamahashimi> DralaFi: isn't that an online dictionary?
[07:05] <rafaguap> Hi all! I would like to upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 on my 686 Packard Bell Easynote laptop with wifi. I'm a basic user for office work.... is the 6.10 "mature" enough now, or are there still some noticeable bugs to resolve for install (hardware)? Thanks !!
[07:05] <d1nn3r_0ut> jeez, who is using kubuntu amd64, plz gives me advice how can i turn synaptic on?
[07:05] <chx> rafaguap: My Dell X1 runs Edgy.
[07:05] <chx> rafaguap: Also, it runs Beryl which is quite shocking..
[07:06] <DralaFi> usamahashimi, you can get the program and the dictionary files
[07:06] <d1nn3r_0ut> i can't figure out how to add the cd package to the package manager
[07:06] <ehird> sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl beryl <-- is this right?
[07:06] <DralaFi> usamahashimi, then you run it as a local server
[07:06] <OOD> d1nn3r_0ut: kubuntu doesn't come with synaptic by default, it comes with adept instead
[07:07] <usamahashimi> DralaFi: thanks. lemme check
[07:07] <rafaguap> chx: thanks.
[07:07] <dinosaur-rus> can anyone help me?
[07:07] <d1nn3r_0ut> OOD,why? adept is so confusing
[07:07] <DralaFi> usamahashimi, http://www.dict.org/links.html   scroll down, you get links to the server code and the dictionary files. you can then use kdict and other programs to access your local copy or just connec to the dict.org one
[07:07] <hoelk> hi i need some rather urgent help
[07:07] <hoelk> i have one partiton mounted as root and one as /home
[07:08] <hoelk> i accidently deleted a whole lot of stuff
[07:08] <hoelk> whats the path of the trashcan
[07:08] <dori> how come the download site for kubuntu ISOs doesn't have the md5sums? where can I get them?
[07:08] <ehird> E: Couldn't find package beryl ???
[07:08] <hoelk> ?(i didnt realy delete the stuff, just put it into trashcan)
[07:08] <OOD> d1nn3r_0ut: because synaptic is a gtk app, install synaptic if you dont like adept
[07:08] <usamahashimi> DralaFi: i think if i install kdict, it will also install dict and then i only have to download dictionary files?
[07:09] <ehird> no ideas?
[07:09] <d1nn3r_0ut> OOD, i dont' have internet connection on my kubuntu box so appreciated if you can just briefly tell me how can i add packages from the dvd with adept
[07:10] <hollywoodb> ehird: beryl-project.org
[07:10] <NickNak> hoelk: ~/.local/share/Trash but why can't you just open the trash can?
[07:10] <hollywoodb> ehird: or #beryl, or #ubuntu-xgl
[07:11] <hoelk> nick: because i deleted some files that i actually need to open the trashcan
[07:11] <hoelk> ;)
[07:11] <hoelk> barely anything working here
[07:11] <hoelk> no filemanager anymore either
[07:12] <NickNak> hoelk: that sounds bad!
[07:12] <hoelk> it is
[07:12] <hoelk> i just wanted to get rid of the device icons on my desktop
[07:13] <hoelk> i didnt even consider thinking that that it would delte the files on it
[07:13] <OOD> d1nn3r_0ut: try: sudo apt-cdrom add
[07:13] <hollywoodb> BluesKaj: packaging is a lot more work... not all apps behave correctly, need to make sure all the files that are part of an app go to the right places, .desktop files and such are generated if need be, need to determine between compile-time and run-time dependencies
[07:13] <dori> anyone know where I can get the md5s?
[07:14] <ciga> dori: for the iso?
[07:14] <dori> yes
[07:14] <ehird> jesus christ look at all those instructions
[07:14] <ciga> dori: for which release?
[07:15] <ehird> apparently beryl is rocket science to install
[07:15] <hollywoodb> ehird: eh? takes about 15 seconds
[07:15] <dori> ciga: this one http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[07:15] <ciga> dori: there are dapper and edgy. choose. :)
[07:15] <ehird> hollywoodb then the wiki is overcomplex
[07:15] <dori> ciga: 6.10
[07:15] <hollywoodb> ehird: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu
[07:15] <ehird> is there a good guide to beryl+kubuntu edgy?
[07:16] <hollywoodb> ehird: just add repos and install... you can use aiglx if your card supports it, which is already included as part of X.org
[07:17] <ehird> hollywoodb it makes it out as if xgl oer aiglx is needed
[07:17] <hollywoodb> ehird: nah. I've used aiglx exclusively across a couple distributions, including Kubuntu.  never bothered with the XGL overhead
[07:17] <ciga> dori: http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ubuntulinux.org/releases/kubuntu/edgy/MD5SUMS
[07:17] <ehird> hollywoodb: hello? can you read? i said "xgl or aiglx"
[07:17] <dori> ciga: no offense but is there a more official source?
[07:18] <ciga> dori: but it should be there on every mirror.
[07:18] <hollywoodb> ehird: I read "oer" as "over" typo
[07:18] <hollywoodb> ehird: and you already have aiglx
[07:18] <NoDuN> witam
[07:18] <hollywoodb> ehird: you can see if your card is supported here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx
[07:19] <ciga> dori: none taken. let me find a better one.
[07:19] <ehird> hollywoodb aside from checking there i could guarantee you anyway it won't: i have a lame 32mb SiS mirage. Checked, and it isn't even mentioned - so I need to install XGL
[07:19] <ehird> which looks like a pain
[07:19] <hollywoodb> ehird: you didn't check to well then, since SIS is mentioned on that page
[07:19] <hollywoodb> ehird: "via, s3 savage, sis. No intrinsic reason why these wouldn't work, as far as we know, but no one has tested them yet."
[07:20] <ehird> hollywoodb: hmm ok
[07:20] <ehird> So I can just go on to Beryl install?
[07:20] <hollywoodb> ehird: yep, and if it work with aiglx you can install xgl after the fact
[07:20] <hollywoodb> ehird: if it doesn't work, i mean
[07:20] <ehird> just one last thing, if things stuff up what do i do to get back?
[07:20] <enzo_> How do you delete a directory?
[07:20] <ehird> just uninstall beryl and it'll undefault it?
[07:21] <ehird> enzo_: ... are you sure you want to be using linux?
[07:21] <ehird> but, rmdir <dir name>
[07:21] <hollywoodb> ehird: killall beryl-manager , but you should be able to stop it via the systray icon if you install all the beryl and emerald packages
[07:21] <ehird> ok hmm, do i need to reboot after this
[07:21] <hollywoodb> ehird: it won't start unless you tell it to either, which is why you have to add beryl-manager to kde autostarted apps... no reboot needed, just run beryl-manager to test
[07:22] <enzo_> says that directory is not empty
[07:22] <georgeb> dori: that's a official mirror; you can check it out on http://www.kubuntu.com/download.php (Europe -> Romania) or you can search for a nearer mirror
[07:22] <Alzi2_> Hey. I had a question. Is it possible to install Kubuntu from the Ubuntu LiveCD? (I don't want to download another CD AGAIN...)
[07:22] <enzo_> ehird: directory not empty, won't delete it
[07:22] <ciga> dori: how about this one? http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/6.10/MD5SUMS
[07:22] <ehird> enzo_: rm -rf <dirname>
[07:22] <ehird> enjoy the most damaging powertool in linux history
[07:23] <rafaguap>  ehird: a weapon of mass destruction !!! :-)
[07:23] <dori> ciga: but that's ubuntu, not kubuntu, people should really think about puttin them on the download page, it doesn't make sense not to have something there
[07:24] <ehird> do you have to get the gpg key stuff for beryl? it's a hassle :/
[07:24] <hollywoodb> ehird: just copy paste that one command to a term
[07:24] <hollywoodb> ehird: otherwise it'll complain when you 'apt-get update'
[07:24] <georgeb> dori: http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/edgy/ for kubuntu
[07:25] <ehird> hollywoodb alrighty
[07:25] <dori> georgeb: that works, thanks
[07:25] <ehird> i get errors.
[07:25] <ehird> !pastebin
[07:25] <ehird> ... ubotu is dead
[07:25] <ehird> !pastegbin
[07:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastegbin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:25] <ehird> !pastebin
[07:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:26] <ehird> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30202/
[07:26] <ehird> heh oops
[07:26] <ehird> forgot a k
[07:29] <ehird> doing install now :)
[07:29] <ehird> umm
[07:29] <ehird> it says it has nothing to upgrade when i follow the instructions to install
[07:30] <ehird> aha! apt-get install beryl
[07:30] <knapp> So Ubuntu/Kubuntu no longer comes with Firefox preinstalled?
[07:30] <ehird> knapp: kubuntu never did, ubuntu still does.
[07:30] <Hawkwind> knapp: No, but it's in main so it's easily installable
[07:31] <knapp> oh ok.
[07:31] <ehird> okay installed beryl
[07:31] <ehird> what do i run to test it out now?
[07:31] <jel> knapp: epiphany is better integrated with gnome anyway, and for kde, konqueror is much more integrated.  It also has questionable security, compared to mozilla etc.  It should be there if people want it, but not default imho.
[07:32] <ciga> what is beryl?
[07:32] <ehird> !beryl | ciga
[07:32] <ubotu> ciga: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/  -  Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl.
[07:32] <ciga> oic
[07:32] <ciga> nice.
[07:33] <ehird> now i just need the command to startit! *g*
[07:33] <knapp> jel only problem I have with Konq is that it doesn't work with some sites. Most notably, gmail.
[07:33] <knapp> well, it works, but not fully
[07:33] <ehird> ah, "beryl-manager"
[07:33] <knapp> gmail has to use standard html view
[07:34] <cvacubo> Hello... Maybe you can help me? I need mount UDF iso file on /mnt/iso1 and then mount with nfs this /mnt/iso1 on /mnt/iso2. But I have error: Permission denied.
[07:34] <fdoving> knapp: set konq to identify as firefox at gmail.com and it'll work in the fancy view too.
[07:34] <knapp> oh I gotta try that
[07:35] <fdoving> knapp: settings -> browser identification.
[07:35] <fdoving> inside koq.
[07:35] <knapp> fdoving it's already in there.
[07:36] <elias_> how can I recover a file which has been deleted on a reiserfs partition?
[07:36] <knapp> fdoving: "For a better Gmail experience, use a fully supported browser.   Learn more"
[07:36] <fdoving> knapp: ok, google.com too?
[07:37] <knapp> yes
[07:37] <fdoving> knapp: Works for me.
[07:37] <arunkale> why have you guys upgraded to edgy
[07:37] <hollywoodb> elias_: google: reiserfs file recovery
[07:37] <knapp> "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux) KHTML/3.5.5 (like Gecko) (Kubuntu)"
[07:37] <knapp> oops
[07:38] <knapp> nope, still
[07:38] <fdoving> knapp: did you add gmail.com and google.com to the list? and set fake user agent to Firefox 1.5.0.4
[07:38] <fdoving> that's what I have, and it works.
[07:38] <fdoving> you need both gmail.com and google.com i think. atleast that's what i have.
[07:39] <knapp> yes
[07:39] <RiKKKi> Hey all my partners having trouble installing myth TV any suggestions on what he should do, from what i can gether its a fresh kubuntu install
[07:39] <georgeb> how can I find out from what repo is a package ? I can see the package is somewhere with apt-cache show ; but I don't know in which repo
[07:39] <ehird> beryl "works" the same way a lobotomy "works"
[07:39] <ehird> i get basically allwhite and a few alt+tab graphics.
[07:39] <fdoving> georgeb: 'apt-cache madison package'
[07:39] <ehird> do i need to install xgl instead?
[07:39] <hollywoodb> ehird: hehe, maybe
[07:40] <fdoving> ehird: tried #ubuntu-xgl ?
[07:40] <knapp> fdoving, ok closing it out and reopening looks like it did the trick
[07:40] <ehird> fdoving: it may be a beryl problem i dunno
[07:40] <hollywoodb> ehird: apt-get install xserver-xgl libgl1-mesa xserver-xorg libglitz-glx1
[07:40] <fdoving> ehird: ok, i don't know anything about XGL. Can't stand using it. sorry.
[07:40] <hollywoodb> ehird: I believe you have everything else you need
[07:41] <hollywoodb> ehird: but you'll have to add an Xgl login session to kdm/gdm as per the beryl wiki
[07:41] <georgeb> fdoving: doesn't work; at least not for w32codecs
[07:41] <markelhas> hey
[07:42] <markelhas> ppl
[07:42] <markelhas> any expert in samba?
[07:43] <fdoving> georgeb: that usually means the package isn't in any of the repositories you have enabled.
[07:44] <fdoving> georgeb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats -> Select 'Windows Codecs' in the Contents list.
[07:45] <Hikaru79> How can I access the Java Control Panel in Kubuntu? (In Gnome, it would automatically be added to the menu under "Administration", but I don't see it in the KDE menus)? Any ideas? :)
[07:45] <markelhas> can't put my samba working
[07:46] <markelhas> can any one help me out
[07:47] <ppine__> .
[07:48] <ppine__> Is it possible to stream audio from a windows share without mounting it ?
[07:48] <ciga> markelhas: what's wrong?
[07:48] <ppine__> just //adres etc. in konqueror
[07:48] <markelhas> ciga: i've ddl the samba
[07:49] <dinosaur-rus> ok, I got nvidia-glx package to work
[07:49] <Bubba_Gump> :D
[07:49] <markelhas> ciga: and tried to explorer my windows machine but got a error
[07:50] <georgeb> fdoving: thx
[07:50] <Bubba_Gump> anyone know of a good 'SPSS' , or like, appy ?
[07:50] <dinosaur-rus> now I want to know if setting CPATH environment variable will break compiler's default search paths or not
[07:50] <markelhas> ciga: i'm in samba sahres them my home group appers
[07:51] <markelhas> ciga: them my machine
[07:51] <markelhas> ciga: after that error
[07:51] <markelhas> ciga: :(
[07:51] <ciga> markelhas: can you connect from windows to linux?
[07:51] <georgeb> markelhas: what was the error ?
[07:51] <hollywoodb> Bubba_Gump: what's spss ?
[07:51] <markelhas> didn't try to connect from windows to linux
[07:51] <enzo_> I am trying to install Kubuntu 6.10 via LiveCD and it tells me "No root file system". What's the fix?
[07:52] <Bubba_Gump> it's a statistics program, good for science and sorta like a spreadsheet thingy
[07:52] <markelhas> georgeb: no error now, but no share folder
[07:52] <markelhas> and yes i've shared a folder on the windows machine
[07:52] <Bubba_Gump> i've RWKard and it's a bit naff
[07:53] <ciga> markelhas: which windows version?
[07:53] <Bubba_Gump> just looking for something much groovier :D
[07:53] <markelhas> xp sp2
[07:53] <markelhas> my desktop
[07:53] <ciga> markelhas: no firewall on windows, right?
[07:53] <markelhas> yes i've one
[07:54] <markelhas> ciga: but from windows machine i can see my share
[07:54] <markelhas> ciga: from linux should be ok them, right!?
[07:54] <ciga> markelhas: from the same windows machine, or an other one?
[07:54] <markelhas> another one, this one but with windows
[07:54] <markelhas> my laptop
[07:55] <ciga> ok
[07:55] <ciga> markelhas: try smbclient -L $yourdesktopwindowsip
[07:55] <markelhas> oki
[07:55] <enzo_> anyone here done the edgy install from the livecd?
[07:55] <cntb> h3sp4wn:  ? gone?
[07:56] <ubuntu> Hey all... have a problem with X... I cant start it anymore... The installed that is...
[07:56] <markelhas> ciga: Error returning browse list: NT_STATUS_OK
[07:56] <dinosaur-rus> ubuntu: ??
[07:56] <cntb> your nick is ubuntu ?
[07:56] <ubuntu> It doenst give me an error or nothing... just a blank screen. cant change to a shell either
[07:56] <ubuntu> cntb: Live cd.
[07:57] <dinosaur-rus> will setting the CPATH variable break existing search paths?
[07:57] <Alzi2_> Hey. I had a question. Is it possible to install Kubuntu from the Ubuntu LiveCD? (I don't want to download another CD AGAIN...)
[07:57] <markelhas> ciga:  on konker got this error: The file or folder smb://mav-desktop/ does not exist
[07:57] <cntb> have hirenCD or gparted botable CDs ubuntu ?
[07:58] <cntb> oh tha is more understandable Hagbarddenstore
[07:59] <dinosaur-rus> Alzi2_: there's "Install" shortcut on the desktop
[07:59] <Hagbarddenstore> gonna look in the x log now
[07:59] <ciga> markelhas: do you know how to mount a share with 'mount'?
[07:59] <Alzi2_> dinosaur-rus: You didn't read my message correctly. I said from the UBUNTU LiveCD
[08:00] <hollywoodb> ehird: any luck with beryl?
[08:00] <h3sp4wn> cntb: What do you need to know ? (If you want to install netbsd under xen I might be interested) but I think its pretty simple to do if you just follow the documentation
[08:00] <redmonkey> (k)ubuntu is in my opinion the best linux. it detects the most hardware of all linux distributions.
[08:00] <zorglu_> Alzi2_: install it and then do 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[08:00] <dinosaur-rus> Alzi2_: ahh... didn't know they differ so much...
[08:00] <markelhas> ciga: i think i can manage with the help of the man
[08:00] <zorglu_> Alzi2_: but still it will require quite a bit of download
[08:00] <ciga> markelhas: try that first.
[08:00] <georgeb> markelhas:  try smbclient -L $yourdesktopwindowsip -U windows_username
[08:00] <Alzi2_> zorglu_: And how to get rid of the gnome packages still scattered about, then? or can you switch inbetween? but it messes up the menu's, i think.
[08:01] <georgeb> markelhas: might be an auth problem
[08:01] <ehird> hollywoodb, did you read my previous message? :p
[08:01] <zorglu_> Alzi2_: well it is very simple to add pacakge, but to remove is very hard
[08:01] <hollywoodb> Alzi2_: there's an article in the forums about properly adding and removing the big metapackages like ubuntu-desktop
[08:01] <zorglu_> Alzi2_: some people has made pages about how to remove all the package from gnome in the case you describe
[08:01] <knapp> I have just installed Kubuntu, where can I go to figure out what repositories I need?
[08:01] <hollywoodb> ehird: try xgl?
[08:01] <Alzi2_> "the forums are offline until further notice." <-- You guys have no choice but to help me :P
[08:02] <zorglu_> hehe :)
[08:02] <Hagbarddenstore> how do I chroot into the hdd and use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[08:02] <zorglu_> "wanna bet ?" :)
[08:02] <ehird> hollywoodb, except, i can't get thru its tutorial
[08:02] <ehird> "BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)" on glxinfo
[08:03] <hollywoodb> Hagbarddenstore: mount / partition someplace, then: chroot /mnt/whereitis/ /bin/bash
[08:03] <hollywoodb> Hagbarddenstore: then do what you need to do
[08:03] <markelhas> georgeb: maybe, but how can i autorize it? in windows or linux?
[08:03] <ciga> markelhas: -U $youraccountonyourwindowsdesktop
[08:04] <ciga> and then you need to type the right password for that user.
[08:04] <georgeb> markelhas: I think there was a change in XP SP2; so the shares can't be listed if the connection type is anonymous, or smth like that; and if you don't specify a windows username to smbclient, it will try a anonymous connection
[08:05] <georgeb> markelhas: just put a valid account from the windows machine for smbclient -U ; so smbclient will send some credentials
[08:05] <markelhas> georgeb: okidoki
[08:06] <markelhas> georgeb: and ciga: something like what smbclient -U MyUser MyIPMAchine?
[08:07] <ciga> smbclient -U MyUser -L MyIPMAchine
[08:07] <Alzi2_> Guys - I meant: Is there a way to make the installer use Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu?
[08:07] <georgeb> markelhas:  smbclient -L MyIpMAchine -U MyUser
[08:08] <markelhas> georgeb: ok i'll try
[08:09] <Hikaru79> How can I access the Java Control Panel in Kubuntu? (In Gnome, it would automatically be added to the menu under "Administration", but I don't see it in the KDE menus)? Any ideas? :)
[08:09] <markelhas> georgeb: same error
[08:09] <killermach__> I am trying to clone a partition with dd or partimage, but I get "cannot read from sector 266938" how do I get the drive to reallocate the bad sectors so I can image the data?
[08:09] <skiy> Hikaru79: Mine is /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.08/bin/javaws
[08:10] <Hikaru79> skiy, I'm pretty sure that's just the WebStart panel (javaws -> java web start)
[08:10] <Hikaru79> I need the general overall panel, not just for webstart.
[08:10] <skiy> Hikaru79: apt-get install gnome-control-panel
[08:11] <Hikaru79> LOL :P
[08:11] <skiy> Hikaru79: sorry, gnome-control-center :)
[08:11] <Hikaru79> I'm not going to install Gnome just to find the java control panel ^ ^;
[08:11] <Hikaru79> But perhaps I'll just ask a Gnome-using friend to see what his menu launcher points to :)
[08:12] <ciga> !rh-cluster
[08:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rh-cluster - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:12] <skiy> Hikaru79: sorry :(
[08:12] <Hikaru79> Thanks anyway, skiy :)
[08:13] <knapp> Can someone recommend me a good kate/kwrite alternative?
[08:14] <georgeb> markelhas: hmm.. do you have a firewall ?
[08:14] <ehird> kbounce is addictive
[08:14] <ehird> knapp: vi, emacs, nano
[08:15] <skiy> knapp: kedit?
[08:15] <skiy> knapp: kdevelop3
[08:15] <skiy> knapp: it depends on what you want it for, really :)
[08:16] <knapp> skiy, just everyday use. Just wanted to look at some alternatives.
[08:16] <knapp> I feel like Kate is slow
[08:16] <skiy> knapp: yes, it is :)
[08:17] <skiy> I don't suppose anyone knows my the sounds skips in many kde applications on my clean install of edgy ?
[08:17] <skiy> make that all kde applications
[08:17] <oge> join #ubuntu
[08:17] <skiy> oge: I asked there :(
[08:18] <Kim^J> I fixed X... =)
[08:18] <firebird619> Could someone help me out. I just installed Beryl and would like to make it autostart. I used the script on http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Dapper/XGL to add into ~/.kde/Autostart, but that did not work.
[08:19] <skiy> Hikaru79: ControlPanel
[08:19] <skiy> Hikaru79: :)
[08:20] <oge> firebird: did you make it executable?
[08:20] <firebird619> oge: yes.
[08:20] <oge> i tried it once on my laptop and it worked for me...
[08:20] <Hawkwind> firebird619: Have you tried #Beryl or #Ubuntu-XGL ?
[08:21] <firebird619> Hawkwind: No, I thought I would try here first. I can go there and ask. Thanks
[08:22] <Helios> hi all
[08:26] <varean> I can install anything from th euniverse repositories
[08:27] <varean> cant*
[08:29] <Ace2016> Hi i need some help
[08:29] <Ace2016> open office is VERY unstable and i need to do coursework
[08:29] <Ace2016> and i need a solution thats faster than buying windows
[08:29] <Ace2016> and installing oo on it
[08:30] <hollywoodb> Ace2016: koffice
[08:30] <Ace2016> which i can't do till tomorrow
[08:30] <Ace2016> hollywoodb: is koffice compatible with oo?
[08:30] <varean> Does kubuntu come with gcc installed?
[08:31] <hollywoodb> Ace2016: if you save in a compatible format, sure
[08:31] <Hawkwind> varean: sudo apt-get install build-essential should install it for you if it's not already installed
[08:31] <varean> I get this error
[08:31] <varean> varean@Tux:~/gcc-4.1.1$ sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:31] <varean> Reading package lists... Done
[08:31] <varean> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:31] <varean> Package build-essential is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:31] <varean> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:31] <varean> is only available from another source
[08:31] <varean> E: Package build-essential has no installation candidate
[08:32] <B-Minus_> hello
[08:32] <B-Minus_> is there some sort of DUmeter for linux ?
[08:32] <varean> I cant really install anything
[08:32] <Ace2016> hollywoodb: so koffice can't .odt files? and will the new format be usable on windows somehow, i have to print it in school
[08:32] <fdoving> varean: enable the repositories.
[08:32] <fdoving> !repos
[08:32] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:32] <hollywoodb> Ace2016: should do odt
[08:32] <varean> I did
[08:32] <hollywoodb> Ace2016: go read up on it
[08:32] <Ace2016> ok
[08:32] <varean> I uncommented the universe repositories
[08:33] <fdoving> varean: do the same for main
[08:33] <Ace2016> i'll compile oo from source, that should make it work
[08:34] <varean> that did, it sweet, tyvm
[08:34] <UQlev> Ace2016, you will get it by the end of tomorrow
[08:34] <hollywoodb> Ace2016: haha, I thought you need a quick solution
[08:36] <Ace2016> oh so it takes longer than 9 hours? :(
[08:40] <Ace2016> oh wait i'll try the pre compiled version first
[08:44] <ehird> is there a ruby lib for ncurses and whats the package name if so?
[08:45] <DarkWizzard> hello all
[08:45] <DarkWizzard> can someone help me with this problem
[08:45] <DarkWizzard> ?
[08:45] <DarkWizzard> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1688776#post1688776
[08:45] <Alzi2_> I'm switching to KDE because BasKet looks so good.. much better than TomBoy :O
[08:46] <ehird> Alzi2_: KDE roxor :)
[08:46] <ehird> :P
[08:46] <Alzi2_> ehird: Does kde 3.5 look better than its predecessor? :)
[08:46] <ehird> Alzi2_: heheheh yes
[08:47] <Alzi2_> http://basket.kde.org/screenshots.php <-- this theme.. how the heck?
[08:47] <Alzi2_> what theme is that?
[08:47] <ehird> don't judge it based on Kubuntu, though! Kubuntu Edgy has a horrible, horrible purple look
[08:47] <ehird> Alzi2_: that's nice, but I prefer Plastik :)
[08:48] <Alzi2_> what theme is that?
[08:48] <DarkWizzard> I need plastik
[08:48] <DarkWizzard> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[08:48] <DarkWizzard> lol
[08:48] <DarkWizzard> bad link
[08:48] <DarkWizzard> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1688776#post1688776
[08:48] <DarkWizzard> sorry
[08:48] <DarkWizzard> My themes are messed up
[08:48] <bene1> hi! my laptop suspends after a few minutes if it's on battery - how can i disable this? (dapper)
[08:48] <DarkWizzard> I cant switch to plastik
[08:49] <ehird> DarkWizzard: hah
[08:49] <ehird> plastik is awesome
[08:49] <DarkWizzard> I know
[08:49] <DarkWizzard> this Platinum suxx
[08:49] <DarkWizzard> I want to switch
[08:49] <DarkWizzard> its installed but doesn't appear
[08:49] <Ace2016> DarkWizzard: you should try http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40492  its a much nicer theme
[08:50] <DarkWizzard> I'll try
[08:52] <Alzi2_> what's so nice about plastik?
[08:52] <Alzi2_> I find it rather standard
[08:52] <Ace2016> seems removing ~/.openoffice2/ did the trick, seems to be stable for now
[08:54] <DarkWizzard> wth
[08:54] <DarkWizzard> I didn't have kdelibs installed
[08:54] <DarkWizzard> is that normal ?
[08:54] <Alzi2_> no
[08:54] <DarkWizzard> I agree
[08:55] <Ace2016> how can you not have kdelibs installed?
[08:55] <Ace2016> you can't be in kde without it
[08:55] <Alzi2_> indeed..
[08:55] <Alzi2_> don't you mean kdelibs-dev?
[08:56] <roly> Hi
[08:56] <Ace2016> Hi
[08:56] <roly> someone know how to play wmv format with kaffeine?
[08:57] <DarkWizzard> I mean normal kdelibs
[08:57] <Alzi2_> DarkWizzard: That's very, very, very, very (5 hours and a few beers later) *hickup* very, very, very, very weird.
[08:58] <DarkWizzard> yeah I know
[08:58] <DarkWizzard> just Installed it
[08:58] <roly> some reference?
[08:58] <roly> mmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:58] <roly> then I hava a problem
[08:59] <Ace2016> roly: install libxine-extracodecs and w32codecs or install vlc and use that as the player
[08:59] <roly> tks Ace2016
[09:00] <Alzi2_> what the heck.. my laptop is going insane while installing imagemagick.
[09:00] <Alzi2_> It's like, totally blowing the fan out!
[09:00] <Alzi2_> well.. not that, but.. it's blowing :P
[09:00] <DarkWizzard> how do I build this
[09:00] <DarkWizzard> ?
[09:00] <DarkWizzard> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40492
[09:01] <DarkWizzard> checking if UIC has KDE plugins available... no
[09:01] <DarkWizzard> configure: error: you need to install kdelibs first.
[09:01] <Alzi2_> DarkWizzard: Source in Ubuntu is -NIGHTMAREISH!-
[09:01] <DarkWizzard> and kdelibs and kdelibs-dev is installed
[09:01] <francois> hi all, does anyone know how to enable printing authorization ? my printer won't let me configure it
[09:01] <DarkWizzard> run kwrite
[09:01] <DarkWizzard> run print
[09:01] <Alzi2_> Then logout and in
[09:01] <DarkWizzard> and there is a button with the kde printer setup wizzard
[09:02] <DarkWizzard> Alzi2_: ok
[09:02] <DarkWizzard> francois: or easyer
[09:02] <DarkWizzard> sudo apt-get install system-config-printer
[09:02] <DarkWizzard> that thing just rullz
[09:03] <DarkWizzard> ok
[09:03] <DarkWizzard> brb
[09:03] <Alzi2_> sudo ubuntuctl eat hamburger... If that existed, I would be happy :P
[09:03] <Alzi2_> sudo ubuntuctl switch washmachine on
[09:04] <DarkWizzard> sudo ch0wn me real-life
[09:04] <Alzi2_> lol
[09:04] <Ace2016> I bet you could do that with bluetooth and a mobile
[09:04] <francois> lol
[09:04] <Art_> How can I get rid of that silly bouncing cursor?
[09:04] <DarkWizzard> kcontrol
[09:04] <Alzi2_> sudo chmod 1337 /usr/src/DarkWizzard/skillzorz
[09:04] <DarkWizzard> you just turn itt off
[09:04] <Alzi2_> :D
[09:05] <zorglu_> !codec | roly
[09:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:05] <Ace2016> Art_: its in kcontrol
[09:05] <DarkWizzard> :D
[09:05] <zorglu_> !codecs | roly
[09:05] <ubotu> roly: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:05] <Art_> DarkWizzard, Where?
[09:05] <DarkWizzard> w8
[09:05] <Ace2016> Art_: Appearance and Themes > Launch Feedback
[09:06] <DarkWizzard> yeah
[09:06] <DarkWizzard> there
[09:06] <DarkWizzard> ok
[09:06] <DarkWizzard> brbr
[09:06] <DarkWizzard> -r
[09:06] <bene1> hi! my laptop suspends after a few minutes if it's on battery - how can i disable this? (dapper)
[09:07] <Alzi2_> Wow. The new look of Kubuntu is great!
[09:07] <lotfi> hello
[09:07] <lotfi> i have a problem
[09:07] <lotfi> The APT database could not be opened !!!!
[09:07] <Ace2016> lotfi: two apps are trying to access it at the same time or one wasn't closed properly
[09:07] <binary2k2> lotfi: can you post the exact error?
[09:08] <lotfi> ok
[09:08] <marco> hi
[09:08] <marco> hi to all
[09:08] <marco> can anybody help me?
[09:08] <Ace2016> hi marco
[09:08] <marco> Hi Ace
[09:09] <Ace2016> people will help if they can but we need the problem first
[09:09] <marco> can u help me getting thru a couple of things?
[09:09] <marco> oh, ok, 2 very simple issues
[09:09] <Ace2016> still don't know what the actual issues are
[09:09] <marco> 1) I want to install Firefox 2.0 since Konqueror keeps on Crashing
[09:09] <marco> and
[09:09] <hollywoodb> marco: 1) apt-get install firefox
[09:10] <Hawkwind> marco: Are you running Dapper or Edgy ?
[09:10] <marco> 2) I would like to install the new versione of Ktorrent and Kopete for the same reason
[09:10] <marco> Dapper
[09:10] <Hawkwind> marco: No firefox 2.0 for Dapper in deb format
[09:10] <hollywoodb> aww
[09:10] <marco> I tried using apt-get but it gives me an error message
[09:10] <Hawkwind> marco: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade will update to the newest ktorrent if there is a newer version
[09:10] <lotfi> The APT database could not be opened !!!this may be caused bye incorrect APt configuration or same similar  problem !try running and apt-get update in terminal
[09:11] <marco> I have the .tar file of firefox 2.0, I just would like to install it correctly and in the right firectory, not in my home directory
[09:11] <marco> (P.w. - i love Hawkwind 2)
[09:11] <marco> (the band, I mean)
[09:11] <Hawkwind> marco: You're better off finding deb packages instead of compiling things
[09:11] <DarkWizzard> still not compiling
[09:11] <lotfi> and see if  helps to resolve the problem
[09:11] <Hawkwind> marco: I don't get the nick from the band :P
[09:11] <marco> oooo
[09:11] <DarkWizzard> show me a deb package for this :D
[09:11] <DarkWizzard> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40492
[09:11] <marco> haha
[09:12] <binary2k2> lotfi: open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update"
[09:12] <Hawkwind> marco: Maybe you should try the deb packages of swiftfox from http://getswiftfox.com
[09:12] <marco> so u mean I cannot get firefox 2.0 on dapper?
[09:12] <DarkWizzard> of course you can
[09:12] <lotfi> E: Le type http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash est inconnu sur la ligne 1 dans la liste des sources /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:12] <DarkWizzard> getfirefox.com
[09:12] <lotfi> sorry in french !
[09:13] <marco> of the people that updated to Edgy I have seen that many had big problems, u noe
[09:13] <Hawkwind> marco: You can, but it's recommended you stick with deb packages on a deb based distro
[09:13] <binary2k2> lotfi: :-p can you translate it for me?
[09:13] <marco> no problem, I speak french
[09:13] <lotfi> ok
[09:13] <DarkWizzard> marco: it works fine for me
[09:13] <zorglu_> lofti: your sources.list is corrupted
[09:13] <DarkWizzard> just download it and make a link on the desktop
[09:13] <DarkWizzard> no source needed
[09:13] <zorglu_> lotfi: you can not put such url in it
[09:13] <zorglu_> !flash9
[09:13] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[09:14] <zorglu_> lotfi: you can try following those instruction to install flash9
[09:14] <marco> hmmm....and it will not install in my home directory?
[09:14] <lotfi> ok
[09:14] <lotfi> thank u
[09:15] <marco> ehi, that's a .tar file!
[09:15] <marco> I already have that
[09:15] <psf> hi
[09:15] <DarkWizzard> untar it
[09:15] <Ace2016> well i installed the swiftfox by extracting it to /opt/swiftfox and making a file called swiftfox in /usr/bin/ and putting #!/bin/sh (nextline) /opt/swiftfox/firefox $*  in it. Done
[09:15] <psf> xgl in ubuntu how to
[09:15] <marco> yep, but in which directory?
[09:15] <Hawkwind> Ace2016: Why ?  Why not use the deb packages
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[09:15] <psf> or aixgl
[09:15] <DarkWizzard> marco: opt
[09:15] <DarkWizzard> or your home
[09:15] <psf> help
[09:15] <DarkWizzard> doesn't really matter
[09:15] <Ace2016> Hawkwind: does swift fox have deb packages?
[09:16] <Hawkwind> Ace2016: Yes.  Click the link at the top of the page that says Debian
[09:16] <marco> so I can untar it in <bin>? because I have all my programs there
[09:16] <Hawkwind> Ace2016: It's also mentioned on the front page as well in the second paragraph
[09:16] <Ace2016> Hawkwind: i just saw that
[09:16] <binary2k2> psf: you have to tell us the problem first
[09:17] <DarkWizzard> what card psf ?
[09:17] <Hawkwind> !xgl | psf
[09:17] <ubotu> psf: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[09:17] <DarkWizzard> http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=9493353
[09:17] <DarkWizzard> btw
[09:17] <DarkWizzard> what does XGL need to run
[09:18] <DarkWizzard> would it run with an ATI 9200 SE with fglrx drivers and 256 MB ram ? :D
[09:18] <marco> DWizzard : Nvidia or Ati I think
[09:18] <Hawkwind> DarkWizzard: Read the above URL, it tells you all of that
[09:18] <Hawkwind> DarkWizzard: Very sluggishly
[09:18] <Ace2016> Hawkwind: i installed the trunk version, i didn't think they'd have deb versions of those
[09:18] <DarkWizzard> Korrora wouldn't start
[09:18] <DarkWizzard> now I'm trying some XGL live cd
[09:18] <DarkWizzard> just downloading it
[09:18] <Hawkwind> 256MB of RAM isn't enough for XGL stuff at all.  It requires atleast 512MB or more
[09:19] <DarkWizzard> thought so
[09:19] <DarkWizzard> well I think I need ram :)
[09:19] <DarkWizzard> still better than vista could ever be
[09:19] <DarkWizzard> it needs 2 Gigs of ram to do half as XGL
[09:19] <TFrog> hell, Vista stole their eye candy from linux
[09:19] <DarkWizzard> checking if UIC has KDE plugins available... no
[09:19] <DarkWizzard> configure: error: you need to install kdelibs first.
[09:20] <DarkWizzard> not exactly
[09:20] <DarkWizzard> but close
[09:20] <DarkWizzard> there was a Sun project
[09:20] <DarkWizzard> project open glass
[09:20] <DarkWizzard> thats the ideea of it all
[09:20] <liam> Hi
[09:20] <DarkWizzard> can someone help me build this
[09:20] <DarkWizzard> ?
[09:20] <TFrog> DarkWizzard, Dell is calling 2 gig the minimum to run Vista without all the eye candy so you're looking at 4 gig of ram with
[09:20] <DarkWizzard> wow
[09:20] <DarkWizzard> new generation of mother boards comming
[09:20] <DarkWizzard> :D
[09:20] <Hawkwind> Not hardly
[09:20] <DarkWizzard> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40492
[09:21] <DarkWizzard> it wont compile
[09:21] <Hawkwind> Vista runs on 1GB of RAM without issues.
[09:21] <DarkWizzard> keeps telling me I dont  have kdelibs installed
[09:21] <DarkWizzard> and I need a nice theme
[09:21] <DarkWizzard> this one suxx
[09:21] <hollywoodb> DarkWizzard: requirements for aiglx are lower than XGL, and its part of X.org, so you already have it... my intel 915 shared mem card runs aiglx great
[09:21] <liam> Sorry about this really simple question, but how do I install ndiswrapper?  I've extracted the tar, but I don't know what to do next. =(
[09:21] <TFrog> i just won't run it.  within a couple of months i'll be windows free anyway
[09:21] <DarkWizzard> whats the difference ?
[09:21] <SeanTater> liam, you are supposed to install it from apt
[09:21] <hollywoodb> liam: ignore the tar and install it via package manager
[09:21] <hollywoodb> DarkWizzard: wikipedia knows
[09:21] <SeanTater> liam, compiling from source is mostly unnecessary for ubuntu
[09:22] <Hawkwind> DarkWizzard: kdelibs4-dev
[09:22] <Hawkwind> !ndiswrapper | liam
[09:22] <ubotu> liam: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:22] <DarkWizzard> kdelibs4-dev is already the newest version.
[09:22] <marco> ok I have another question
[09:22] <DarkWizzard> still the same error
[09:22] <Hawkwind> DarkWizzard: You have installed build-essential ?
[09:22] <DarkWizzard> yeah
[09:22] <Hawkwind> DarkWizzard: Also make sure kdelibs is installed
[09:22] <DarkWizzard> of course
[09:22] <DarkWizzard> it is
[09:22] <Ace2016> DarkWizzard: are you using kde 3.5.5? you could update to that via the repos
[09:23] <DarkWizzard> yes
[09:23] <marco> why my Adept list doesen't show an Firefox 2.0 or new version of other programs such as Ktorrent or anything?
[09:23] <DarkWizzard> I use kde 3.5.5
[09:23] <marco> I have to change something in my repositories?
[09:23] <DarkWizzard> and still keeps telling me that no kdelibs
[09:23] <Hawkwind> marco: Because there is no firefox 2.0 for Dapper
[09:23] <Ace2016> can't you make the package reinstall?
[09:24] <liam> I don't have ndiswrapper in my Adept Manager.
[09:24] <Hawkwind> !info ndiswrapper
[09:24] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper does not exist in any distro I know
[09:24] <marco> what about the other programs like Ktorrent, Gaim (I'm using a version not mentioned in Adept)
[09:24] <Ace2016> in synaptic make kdelibs reinstall itself that might work
[09:24] <TFrog> liam if you're running dapper it's ndiswrapper-utils
[09:24] <SoloSeKNoSeNada> v
[09:24] <Hawkwind> marco: Have you enabled all of the sources like multiverse, universe and all the others ?
[09:24] <smaggard> Hiyas1
[09:24] <marco> yes, of course
[09:24] <smaggard> oops
[09:24] <liam> I'm not using the latest version... So so breezy, is it?
[09:24] <smaggard> ! is what i meant
[09:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is what i meant - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:25] <Ace2016> ! about myself
[09:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about about myself - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:25] <smaggard> anyone have LTSP running in kubuntu?
[09:25] <TFrog> liam, i would think it's still ndiswrapper-utils in breezy as well
[09:25] <Ace2016> ! myself
[09:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about myself - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:25] <Ace2016> :P
[09:25] <liam> I opened Adept Manager - Do I just search for ndiswrapper?  Sorry, this must be really tedious for you.
[09:25] <ehird> hmm,
[09:26] <aib_> on EE, i ran `apt-get upgrade' and came back, and now my file system is set to read only. I can't even open firefox to google for the issue
[09:26] <ehird> is there a way to test beryl on say a new session?
[09:26] <TFrog> yes you can do it that way liam
[09:26] <smaggard> liam> i think ndiswrapper comes automatically
[09:26] <smaggard> go to a terminal and type sudo ndiswrapper
[09:26] <Ace2016> ehird: check the forums there are how tos there
[09:26] <Hawkwind> ehird: Everyone says it runs well on Edgy.  Try talking to the guys in #Beryl about it
[09:27] <marco> ehi anybody knows when Kubuntu 6.10.1 will get out?
[09:27] <DarkWizzard> YES
[09:27] <DarkWizzard> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40920
[09:27] <marco> I mean, a date when it will be released
[09:27] <liam> When I typed sudo, it didn't let me type a password. =/  I click keys, and they don't show
[09:27] <aib_> does anyone know how your filesystem can get set to read only?
[09:27] <liam> sudo: ndiswrapper: not found. =(
[09:27] <Hawkwind> DarkWizzard: What's wrong with sudo apt-get install qtcurve ?
[09:28] <smaggard> hmm sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[09:28] <DarkWizzard> you mean
[09:28] <smaggard> thatll install it for ya
[09:28] <aib_> mount returns `/dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)'
[09:28] <DarkWizzard> that exists
[09:28] <DarkWizzard> cool
[09:28] <marco> nono, I mean anybody knows when Kubuntu Edgy 6.10.1 will be released, I mean the full distro, not only the Desktop
[09:28] <TFrog> actually smaggard he needs to type sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[09:28] <ciga> aib_: on error
[09:28] <binary2k2> alib_: don't know why is's mounted r/o, try running "sudo mount / -o remount,rw"
[09:29] <DarkWizzard> this suxx
[09:29] <DarkWizzard> I installed it and it won't apear in kcontrol > Appearence > Styles
[09:29] <DarkWizzard> just like the other ones
[09:29] <DarkWizzard> neighter does plastik
[09:29] <DarkWizzard> or anything normal
[09:30] <smaggard> ah yes its ndiswrapper-utils
[09:30] <smaggard> i think..
[09:30] <liam> ndiswrapper isn't installed on this, for some reason.  What wouldI do?
[09:30] <aib> ahh that fixed it binary2k2 thanks
[09:30] <TFrog> i know smaggard i've run dapper on the compaq presario i'm typing this on.  laptop that is
[09:30] <liam> It's not in Adept, and sudo doesn't work.
[09:30] <TFrog> hmmmmmmmmm.
[09:30] <smaggard> i know too... running on hp zv6000, but its been 6 months since the install
[09:31] <liam> I might just go back to Windows. =P
[09:31] <TFrog> smaggard, i'm on a Compaq R4125US running Edgy.  had to compile the ndiswrapper to get it working
[09:31] <smaggard> sudo "doesnt work" wtf go back to microshaft
[09:31] <liam> And duel boot on my main PC until I learn more...
[09:31] <aib> binary2k2, is it possible that a bad sector on the hard disk could cause the kernel to remount as ro if an application tries to write to that sector?
[09:31] <aib> it says errors=remount-ro
[09:32] <liam> I meant, sudo ndiswrapper doesn't work, as apparently it's not installed.
[09:32] <dragonflyseven> Hello all. Is there an application that lets me rotate my display (because my monitor is tipped in a portrait way). Ideally, i would like to set up hotkeys to do this, so I could switch back and forth.
[09:32] <TFrog> liam type "sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils"  it will install ndiswrapper on your system
[09:32] <smaggard> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[09:32] <binary2k2> alib_: the filesystem marks sectors it know are bas as, well, bad so nothing will try to write to it
[09:32] <psf> help
[09:32] <psf> please
[09:32] <cntb> h3sp4wn: here ?
[09:33] <ciga> liam: I think you should run fsck on your root fs
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> cntb: what
[09:33] <cntb> restarted after install xen
[09:33] <cntb> what next ?
[09:33] <dragonflyseven> Anyone?
[09:33] <psf> how to axigl/xgl in kubuntu
[09:33] <bluch> !unmount iso
[09:33] <liam> I typed what you said, TFrog, but it said
[09:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unmount iso - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> cntb: rtfm
[09:33] <liam> liam@liam-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[09:33] <liam> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:33] <liam> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:34] <h3sp4wn> cntb: you cannot expect to use xen without reading the manual
[09:34] <liam> Oops, sorry.
[09:34] <bluch> how can i unmount an iso image?
[09:34] <cntb> very nice ty
[09:34] <aib> binary2k2, everytime i try to `sudo apt-get upgrade' now this occurs :(
[09:34] <TFrog> hmmmmmmmm
[09:34] <cntb> I will
[09:34] <bluch> i mounted it with mount -o loop etc
[09:34] <h3sp4wn> cntb: except on fedora 6
[09:34] <ciga> liam: sudo init 1, and then fsck
[09:34] <cntb> obviously will
[09:34] <TFrog> liam.  close adept and try running that command again
[09:34] <smaggard> u cant have both running at the same time
[09:34] <TFrog> too late
[09:34] <TFrog> exactly smaggard
[09:34] <marco> is Edgy stable now?
[09:35] <cntb> FIY I am more than 22 yrs in computers so I am looking for hints not spoon feeding
[09:35] <marco> many people had problems using it
[09:35] <TFrog> marco, i'm running Edgy on my laptop right now
[09:35] <cntb> never mind
[09:35] <dragonflyseven> macro: it seems fine to me. I am running on a laptop.
[09:35] <binary2k2> alib_: you could try booting in to the LiveCD and running "sudo fsck -a /dev/hda1" to chack it for errors
[09:35] <TFrog> i haven't had any stability issues yet
[09:35] <TehUni> i run 3 kde sessions at once (1 for each monitor). How can i make it so that each one acts the same (same kmenu, wallaper, panels, etc) ?
[09:35] <aib> check out my var/log/messages: http://pastebin.ca/237982
[09:35] <cntb> h3 you must have enjoyed writing "rtfm"
[09:35] <cntb> I never do
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> cntb: I *almost* never do
[09:36] <cntb> bbl
[09:36] <TFrog> smaggard, does your HP have three settings in BIOS for video memory like my compaq?
[09:36] <smaggard> so what does everyoe think of flash 9... pretty freakin sweet eh?
[09:36] <smaggard> yeah
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> ciga: 22 years you should not need any hints the docs should be perfectly understandable
[09:36] <magical_trevsky> anyone know if there will be a backport of amarok 1.4.4 to dapper?
[09:36] <dragonflyseven> flash 9 is awesome.
[09:37] <TFrog> smaggard, are you running the proprietary ATI drivers?
[09:37] <binary2k2> alib_: you need to run the fsck command to force it to chech the disk for errors
[09:37] <aib> alright will do
[09:37] <dragonflyseven> Is there a GUI app that lets me configure monitor rotation?
[09:37] <smaggard> yeah it took a hellof a time tho
[09:37] <TehUni> btw, if any of you guys were here yesterday when i was trying to get >4gigs ram working, i got it... in 32bit kubuntu. had to recompile the kernel with 64gigs ram support.
[09:37] <binary2k2> alib_: if it finds any they will be marked so nothing will use them
[09:37] <smaggard> i have the 200m
[09:37] <knapp> Am I the only one that feels the default Kubuntu window boarder looks slightly kinda terrible?
[09:37] <smaggard> TFrog> mlb.com does that
[09:38] <TFrog> smaggard, the only way i can run them is if i shut off the dedicated ram and use system ram which i think suxx
[09:38] <smaggard> cant stand it
[09:38] <TFrog> smaggard, there is more than that sight.  i get it at antec.com and other sights too
[09:39] <smaggard> TFrog> and EASY way to get the ati drivers to work with sideport is to you version 8.24.8.... thats the last version before ATI broke it those bastards!!
[09:39] <smaggard> use**
[09:39] <dragonflyseven> How can I rotate my display 90 degrees?
[09:39] <TFrog> problem is keeping them from trying to update when updating software
[09:40] <rds> hello, may I ask a question in french?
[09:40] <smaggard> haha yeah, but they work
[09:40] <TFrog> just have to reinstall after updates i guess.  that or hope ati fixes the sideport issue
[09:40] <smaggard> i think they eventually will
[09:40] <marco> ehi
[09:41] <smaggard> maybe maybe not
[09:41] <marco> now I have version 1.5 of firefox,how can I upgrade it?
[09:41] <TFrog> well, this place, the forums and other linux distro's forums are complaining about that issue
[09:41] <smaggard> when they did that... i was extremely pissed heh
[09:41] <smaggard> yeah its not just this distro, its everybodys 200m and linux drivers that are broke
[09:41] <TFrog> you're not the only one.  right now i can't get above 350fps with my laptop
[09:41] <smaggard> we have been submitting support tickets and petitions for 6 months
[09:42] <TFrog> i don't think it will be too much longer if they want to get our business.
[09:42] <taylor> how do u prevent a package upgrade in kubuntu
[09:42] <smaggard> how do you get glxgears to output the fps?
[09:42] <TFrog> especially now that AMD bought them up
[09:42] <rds> my question is about the update from version 6.06 LTS to 6.10
[09:42] <TFrog> smaggard, just open a terminal and type in glxgears -printfps
[09:42] <smaggard> i dont see how it could be a HUGE deal to fix it.. even if it is they still should fix it
[09:43] <smaggard> ah thats the switch i couldnt remember!
[09:43] <TFrog> i agree
[09:43] <TFrog> don't feel bad smaggard.  i forget that switch frequently myself
[09:43] <binary2k2> rds: try the french kubuntu channel #kubutnu-fr
[09:43] <smaggard> smaggard@smaggard-laptop:~$ glxgears -printfps
[09:43] <smaggard> 5365 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1072.879 FPS
[09:43] <smaggard> 5637 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1127.246 FPS
[09:43] <smaggard> 5649 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1126.005 FPS
[09:43] <smaggard> 5661 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1132.016 FPS
[09:43] <TFrog> sweet.
[09:43] <plhardy_> often when i forget the switch i remain in dark !
[09:44] <TFrog> lol plhardy_
[09:44] <smaggard> yeah its ok
[09:44] <taylor> is there a file somewhere where I can say do upgrade a certain package past X.XX version
[09:44] <rds> thank you for your tips binary2k2 ;)
[09:44] <Ace2016> seems the open office thing could be gtk related, lots of junk is spewing out of konsole: (process:7719): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: gtype.c:2240: initialization assertion failed, use IA__g_type_init() prior to this function
[09:44] <taylor> don't upgrade i mean
[09:44] <TFrog> heck i get better than that from my old desktop.  i get around 1500 out of an old ati radeon 7000ve card
[09:44] <psf> aixgl in kubuntu how to
[09:44] <smaggard> with the newer drivers i would think it would get around 1250, but i wont complain too much for 1100
[09:45] <plhardy_> rds: !fr
[09:45] <smaggard> yeah the 200m definitely isnt a gaming chip lol
[09:45] <TFrog> and the funny part is i'm using dri drivers too
[09:45] <plhardy_> !fr*
[09:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr* - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:45] <smaggard> yeah dri is enabled here to
[09:45] <smaggard> too*
[09:45] <_tony> I can't get my graphics card to install
[09:45] <plhardy_> !fr
[09:45] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:45] <TehUni> btw, if any of you guys were here yesterday when i was trying to get >4gigs ram working, i got it... in 32bit kubuntu. had to recompile the kernel with 64gigs ram support.
[09:46] <plhardy_> ah !
[09:46] <TehUni> oops, wrong paste heh
[09:46] <TFrog> supposedly ati is working with dri for native drivers to work as well as the proprietary.  that will be years in the making
[09:46] <smaggard> lol TehUni> i told you to do that!
[09:46] <smaggard> i even found a support forum and everything for you to visit but nooo dont listen to me...
[09:47] <TehUni> smaggard: someone told me to, must've been you. Then i came back later and asked how, and nobody would help. finally had to figure out how to do it on my own. Thanks for the suggestion though, it got me started
[09:47] <rds> merci ubotu
[09:47] <smaggard> ah yeah i think i left shortly after that
[09:47] <smaggard> sorry
[09:47] <smaggard> TehUni> youll find out a LOT of times its faster to just look it up on the net and learn it yourself for next time :D
[09:47] <TFrog> smaggard, you running so called native drivers on your laptop wireless or you using ndiswrapper?
[09:47] <TehUni> maybe you can help me with my next question then.. i've tried looking
[09:48] <der_steppenwolf> hi, i have a question.
[09:48] <taylor> does anyone know how to prevent a certain package from updating itself with apt?
[09:48] <TehUni> i run 3 kde sessions at once (1 for each monitor). How can i make it so that each one acts the same (same kmenu, wallaper, panels, etc) ?
[09:48] <der_steppenwolf> How can i install easily the last version of kde in kubuntu breezy badger?
[09:48] <smaggard> uhh the native drivers acted really screwy, so ndiswrapper to the rescue
[09:48] <smaggard> the "native" would work for a few minutes really well, then just crap out
[09:49] <TFrog> yeah.  i have issues with speed and some shut downs with native.  had to compile the ndiswrapper from source to use the same drivers i was using in dapper.
[09:49] <smaggard> and after my prior gentoo experience with this laptop, ndiswrapper was a breeze in ubuntu
[09:49] <TFrog> and that was only after the 1.27 release and finding another issue with it
[09:49] <TFrog> i haven't got time for using gentoo
[09:49] <smaggard> i cant remember if i compiled ndiswrapper myself or used kubuntus package.
[09:50] <smaggard> TFrog> ummm yeah thats what happened to me and gentoo after a year.. we had to breakup, she was controlling me lol
[09:50] <TFrog> have tried Fedora Core on here.  still sucked compared to ubuntu
[09:50] <marco> somebody can help me have up-to-date repositories?
[09:50] <smaggard> Fedora core was uninstalled about 5 mins after the install
[09:50] <TFrog> lol
[09:50] <smaggard> im serious and i wasted like 4 cdrs on that pos
[09:50] <TFrog> i even tried Suse and now they are in bed with MS
[09:50] <TFrog> ouch
[09:50] <smaggard> lol suse can go to hell now for all i care
[09:51] <TFrog> i downloaded the dvd version
[09:51] <smaggard> i used to like it
[09:51] <smaggard> i should have but had no blank dvds :(
[09:51] <TFrog> too much crap in suse for my taste
[09:51] <smaggard> well, your right tho.. after that whole novell/suse thing iunno it seems to have fallen apart maybe??
[09:52] <dhq> fdoving: i went in a folder in /etc/ and a folder and did rm -r then by mistake i came back in to the etc dir and hit the same command accedently
[09:52] <dhq> fdoving: what do i do to get my files back
[09:52] <smaggard> dhq> ouch!
[09:52] <TFrog> only problem is i'm going to have to reconfigure the desktop for wireless soon.  all i got there is atheros and it might be a pain to setup from what i've read about the madwifi in ubuntu
[09:52] <smaggard> how u werent root
[09:52] <fdoving> dhq: ouch. you can't easily.
[09:52] <fdoving> backup.
[09:52] <fdoving> is the easiest way to get them back.
[09:52] <dhq> fdoving: no backup :'(
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> bummer
[09:52] <fdoving> it could be backed up by defaukt.
[09:52] <smaggard> ur toast
[09:52] <fdoving> default.
[09:52] <fdoving> hang on.
[09:53] <dhq> fdoving: ok
[09:53] <binary2k2> dhq: sorry mate :(
[09:53] <dhq> dont you people say that :'(
[09:53] <smaggard> im sort of pissed that i wasted my time with k12ltsp these past couple of days. its fedora core 5 and all the reasons i hated it have come back lol.
[09:53] <fdoving> dhq: you can get the most important files from /var/backups/
[09:54] <smaggard> brb
[09:54] <dhq> fdoving: what do i gotta do
[09:54] <fdoving> dhq: Re-install.
[09:54] <Dr_Willis> ive never noticed a /var/backups  ...hmmm
[09:54] <dhq> fdoving: no other way i still some files remaning
[09:55] <fdoving> dhq: does the computer run fine? does it boot without complaining? Have you noticed anything that does not work?
[09:55] <dhq> fdoving: sudo doesnt work
[09:55] <dhq> fdoving: i havent rebooted till now and am scared to do so
[09:55] <binary2k2> dhq: when you delete a file and are using ext3, the file is gone!
[09:55] <Dr_Willis> lol
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> gone, like a fifth of gin, gone, gone away....
[09:56] <smaggard> yay im back
[09:56] <smaggard> what did i miss?
[09:57] <psf> fuck you
[09:57] <fdoving> dhq: try to backup your homefolder to a dvd or something.
[09:57] <TFrog> i don't know smaggard.  i was out too
[09:57] <dhq> fdoving: i have no dvd
[09:57] <fdoving> dhq: backup would be my first priority in that situation.
[09:57] <dhq> :'(
[09:57] <shadowhywind> is there a way to mount a img?
[09:57] <dhq> well is there a way to copy back all the etc files
[09:57] <fdoving> dhq: somehow make backups of your important files.
[09:58] <|lostbyte|> dhq, yesm do as fdoving says.. and cross  your fingers and reboot. if important files are not missing. then you are fine.
[09:58] <dhq> fdoving: my hdd is over full
[09:58] <dhq> else
[09:58] <fdoving> dhq: do yo have a fast internet connection?
[09:58] <dhq> nope
[09:58] <binary2k2> shadowhywind: what type of image?
[09:58] <|lostbyte|> dhq, yes you do..
[09:58] <zorglu_> some money to buy a new disk  ? :)
[09:58] <smaggard> iso?
[09:58] <dhq> |lostbyte|: i am on limited internet
[09:58] <|lostbyte|> dhq, 512kbps is fast :)
[09:59] <shadowhywind> .img
[09:59] <|lostbyte|> oh
[09:59] <TFrog> |lostbyte|, he might be on a download limit.
[09:59] <fdoving> you can reinstall all packages. from ther internet, and install new /etc stuff from them. But it'll take a long time, and It does only work if apt-get works flawlessly.
[09:59] <zorglu_> dhq: no cd writter either ?
[09:59] <smaggard> mount -t iso file.img
[09:59] <dhq> fdoving: i have the edgy cd why cant i do it from there
[10:00] <dhq> zorglu_: had a sony external its with a frient :(
[10:00] <smaggard> errr umm mount -t iso9660 yourimage.img
[10:00] <TFrog> smaggard, while your at it, can you mount a cue/bin image in the same manner?
[10:00] <shadowhywind> can it be done? or is there a simple way to convert the img to iso and mount the iso?
[10:00] <binary2k2> smaggard: you missed out the "-o loop"
[10:01] <smaggard> thats not all of it, thats the option you need
[10:01] <zorglu_> TFrog: there is a tool for that, 'dbunch' or some other weird name
[10:01] <smaggard> i also didnt put the target path
[10:01] <binary2k2> shadowhywind: what do you get if you type "file filename.img" filename.img being the image file
[10:01] <TFrog> ty zorglu_.  i'll look into it
[10:01] <fdoving> dhq: the livecd?
[10:01] <dhq> fdoving: can it be done from the cd
[10:01] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: Surely you mean bchunk
[10:01] <shadowhywind> i havent tried it yet, do i also need to add a location like a moun point?
[10:02] <zorglu_> TFrog: Hawkwind: yeah :) bchunk is the name i was thinking about :)
[10:02] <smaggard> bchunk
[10:02] <dhq> fdoving: yes the live cd
[10:02] <dhq> sendmail: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameter default_privs: unknown user name value: nobody
[10:02] <Hawkwind> !info bchunk
[10:02] <ubotu> bchunk: CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.0-1 (edgy), package size 12 kB, installed size 68 kB
[10:02] <smaggard> sudo apt-get install bchunk
[10:02] <fdoving> dhq: not sure, you can try to boot the livecd, and mount your root filesystem, then copy over the missing files. (compare the two /etc directories.)
[10:02] <TFrog> zorglu_, i just looked with adept.  it converts the image.  not mount it
[10:02] <binary2k2> shadowhywind: the command will be like "sudo mount image-file.img -t filesystem-type /mount/point -o loop"
[10:03] <smaggard> iunno how to mount a bin/cue never done it
[10:03] <zorglu_> TFrog: well 1, you convert, 2. you mount. it is not ok for you ?
[10:03] <binary2k2> shadowhywind: but you need the filesystem, if it's a CD image use: iso9660
[10:03] <dhq> fdoving: well its woth a try  wish me all the best
[10:03] <fdoving> dhq: I can not guarantee it'll work though. good luck.
[10:03] <dhq> |lostbyte|: keep your fingers crossed
[10:04] <fdoving> dhq: you can get online from the livecd right?
[10:04] <smaggard> yupp
[10:04] <smaggard> of course!
[10:04] <dhq> fdoving: yes
[10:04] <TFrog> smaggard, it's ok.  i gotta do it on the desktop.  i'm dual booting there.  got a reason for it so i guess i'll have to use Winbloze and Alcohol 120
[10:04] <dhq> my fstab is gone
[10:04] <fdoving> dhq: ouch. copy the mtab.
[10:05] <shadowhywind> i canged it to iso9660  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, dmesg says  Unable to identify CD-ROM format.
[10:05] <binary2k2> shadowhywind: what is the image from?
[10:06] <shadowhywind> its from a cd that i copied in windows
[10:06] <max_> is there anyway to mount as iso to a virtual drive in kde?
[10:06] <dhq> fdoving: mtab from where
[10:06] <fdoving> dhq: /etc/mtab is that gone too?
[10:06] <binary2k2> shadowhywind: try with the filesystem-type as auto??
[10:07] <dhq> fdoving: :(
[10:07] <dhq> fdoving: yes
[10:07] <smaggard> brb
[10:07] <shadowhywind> auto said that you must specify the filesystemtype
[10:08] <fdoving> dhq: ok, 'cat /proc/mounts > /etc/fstab'
[10:08] <max_> is there anyway to mount as iso to a virtual drive in kde?
[10:08] <dhq> fdoving: dhq@dhq-laptop:/etc$ sudo cat /proc/mounts > /etc/fstab bash: /etc/fstab: Permission denied
[10:09] <binary2k2> shadowhywind: windows (or the software you used) has done something strange to the image then
[10:09] <fdoving> dhq: 'sudo -i'
[10:09] <fdoving> dhq: that'll give you a permanent root shell.
[10:09] <shadowhywind> yah, thanks for the help, i might switch back over and make it an iso
[10:09] <binary2k2> shadowhywind: if you get the iso then yo'll find it much easier
[10:09] <|lostbyte|> dhq, :)
[10:09] <|lostbyte|> dhq, get online on it and come back.
[10:09] <|lostbyte|> dhq, /etc/
[10:09] <|lostbyte|> :- o
[10:10] <|lostbyte|> bummer.
[10:10] <dhq> fdoving: dhq@dhq-laptop:/etc$ sudo -i sudo: uid 1000 does not exist in the passwd file! sendmail: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameter default_privs: unknown user name value: nobody
[10:10] <shadowhywind> yup, hehe
[10:10] <fdoving> |lostbyte|: rebooting is not smart,  if you've lost your fstab.
[10:10] <fdoving> dhq: ah, bummer.
[10:10] <|lostbyte|> fdoving, i didt know he was missing it.
[10:10] <dhq> |lostbyte|: thats y i am not rebootin
[10:10] <dhq> :(
[10:11] <fdoving> dhq: ok, 'cat /proc/mounts > ~/mounts'
[10:11] <fdoving> dhq: then you have it in your homedir if you need it.
[10:11] <fdoving> the information is usefull for rebuilding your fstab from the livecd.
[10:11] <dhq> fdoving: now what do i do
[10:12] <fdoving> dhq: reboot to the livecd.
[10:12] <dhq> fdoving: |lostbyte| brb :(
[10:13] <|lostbyte|> dhq, k
[10:15] <letalis> does anyone know of any good howtos regarding getting audio to workon a tv card using the bt878 chipsets?
[10:15] <letalis> my radio tuner works
[10:15] <letalis> but for some reason after upgrading to edgy the tv tuner audio is shot
[10:20] <MetaMorfoziS> !cryptsetup
[10:20] <ubotu> cryptsetup: configures encrypted block devices. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:1.0.3-3ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 244 kB, installed size 704 kB
[10:25] <der_steppenwolf> Is it appropiate to install kde 2.5.5 dapper into a kubuntu breezy badger?
[10:25] <der_steppenwolf> kde 3.5.5 sorry
[10:26] <zorglu_> !info klyx
[10:26] <ubotu> Package klyx does not exist in any distro I know
[10:26] <rag> hello how are you
[10:27] <rag> please somebody use katapult on edgy 6.10 ?
[10:27] <mono01> how install klyx???
[10:27] <zorglu_> i dunno :)
[10:27] <rag> i install other laptop with kubuntu for a friend but katapult not works
[10:27] <rag> i press alt + space but nothing
[10:28] <rag> katapult not appear me
[10:29] <Dr_Willis> !find klys
[10:29] <Dr_Willis> !find klyx
[10:29] <Dr_Willis> oops
[10:29] <ubotu> Package/file klys does not exist in edgy
[10:29] <ubotu> Package/file klyx does not exist in edgy
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> thats the tex wysiwyg editor?
[10:31] <zorglu_> Dr_Willis: yep
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> double checkthename. ;0
[10:31] <zorglu_> i need something to edit some text
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> theres dozens of text editors out.  and several word processors...
[10:32] <zorglu_> well i need like a word processor
[10:32] <Dr_Willis> of course TeX lets ya make awsome docs with simple ascii editors.
[10:32] <Dr_Willis> not sure how 'wordprocessor'ish tht tool is.
[10:32] <zorglu_> nothing fancy, typically like a research paper
[10:32] <Dr_Willis> i tend to use abiword.
[10:32] <Dr_Willis> but my needs are minimal.
[10:32] <zorglu_> there is 'word' in it... maybe it is me but it mean like 'doesnt work' :)
[10:33] <zorglu_> especially with the saved format
[10:33] <Dr_Willis> i used vi and tex ages  ago. in college.
[10:33] <Dr_Willis> on a serial terminal even
[10:33] <h3sp4wn> I have used emacs with latex (emacs has a tex mode)
[10:34] <Dr_Willis> modes! bah! heh heh...
[10:34] <zorglu_> yep latex is good for that, you can have the data even if the main software is no more
[10:34] <Dr_Willis> i even had a tex/latex setup to generate D&D character sheets.. ;)
[10:34] <zorglu_> :)
[10:35] <jerameh> So there are no ops or anything?
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> it would ask the stats and soforth.. you type them in... it would make a nice sheet...
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> they are undercover. ;0 jerameh
[10:35] <zorglu_> !info lyx-qt
[10:35] <ubotu> lyx-qt: High Level Word Processor - Qt frontend. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.2-4 (edgy), package size 2051 kB, installed size 6592 kB
[10:35] <zorglu_> maybe this one will do :)
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> !info lyx
[10:35] <ubotu> lyx: High Level Word Processor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.2-4 (edgy), package size 478 kB, installed size 1444 kB
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> heh
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> you sure thats not what you were looking forin the first place.. ;0
[10:36] <zorglu_> dunno i will try them
[10:36] <jerameh> does anyone have some links to some linux tutorials? I'm a total noob, wanted to make the switch, am now torrenting kubuntu (I've tried gnome before, didnt' like it) and want to learn as much as I can. Don't be afraid that you'll explode my brain, I'm pretty savvy.
[10:36] <DralaFi> lyx is a high level word processor? wtf
[10:36] <obf213> im having problems with packages
[10:36] <DralaFi> isn't it just a LaTeX processor?
[10:36] <obf213> when i open adept it says something else is using the the pacakgaes
[10:36] <obf213> and then i cant use the apt-get in console either
[10:37] <obf213> even after reboot and login. it still says something is using packages
[10:37] <h3sp4wn> Dr_Willis: The command completion in the tex emacs mode is useful (I cannot remember them by heart)
[10:37] <zorglu_> DralaFi: well latex may match de definition of 'word processor' too :)
[10:37] <obf213> and apt-get says dpkg was interrupted
[10:37] <georgeb> obf213: it might be adept-updater
[10:38] <zorglu_> !adept fixes
[10:38] <ubotu> adept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[10:38] <obf213> i dont know
[10:38] <zorglu_> !adept crash fix
[10:38] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[10:38] <obf213> can anyoen tell me whts tying up my packages
[10:38] <zorglu_> obf213: try the above
[10:38] <obf213> ok
[10:39] <zorglu_> Creating config file /etc/texmf/fmt.d/01tetex.cnf with new version
[10:39] <zorglu_> Running fmtutil-sys. This may take some time. ..
[10:39] <zorglu_> maouaou tex is always tex :)
[10:40] <obf213> zorglu thanks
[10:40] <obf213> some mythtv thing was locking it up i guess
[10:40] <zorglu_> obf213: it worked ?
[10:40] <obf213> yeqh
[10:40] <zorglu_> cool
[10:40] <obf213> is the new firefox out
[10:41] <zorglu_> !kbuildsyscoca
[10:41] <ubotu> If your kmenu is out of date, like after installing an application and not founding it in kmenu, you should type "kbuildsyscoca" in a terminal to update it. It will rebuild the kde configuration cache.
[10:41] <zorglu_> obf213: likely
[10:42] <zorglu_> hmm typo in the factoid :)
[10:42] <Dr_Willis> firefox2 has been out for what 2 weeks?
[10:43] <dhq> fdoving: hello
[10:43] <dhq> fdoving: how do i add a sudo user
[10:43] <zorglu_> Dr_Willis: lyx-qt seems to work
[10:43] <__osh__> fdoving: adduser then /etc/sudoers
[10:43] <__osh__> fdoving: edit /etc/sudoers I mean.
[10:44] <dhq> __osh__: and
[10:44] <firegirl> im going to go jump on the trampoline
[10:44] <firegirl> have fun
[10:45] <__osh__> dhq: My bad. Just add the user to the group admin in /etc/group
[10:45] <Linvxer> Algum Brasileiro Aqui?
[10:45] <__osh__> !br
[10:45] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[10:45] <klerfayt> how to open tcp 6339 port?
[10:46] <dhq> __osh__: well i cant do any sudo
[10:46] <DralaFi> klerfayt, run something on that port that listens to incoming connections
[10:46] <__osh__> dhq: boot from a live-cd and mount your disk that way. then you'll be able to do it. =)
[10:46] <zorglu_> !bugs
[10:46] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[10:46] <klerfayt> DralaFi: what?
[10:47] <dhq> fdoving: you there
[10:47] <klerfayt> DralaFi: I'm using port 6339 port in ktorrent
[10:47] <DralaFi> klerfayt, then its all ok
[10:48] <klerfayt> DralaFi: wasn't ubuntu like without any open ports?
[10:48] <klerfayt> what is good port range torrents anyway?
[10:51] <DralaFi> klerfayt, What are you talking about?
[10:52] <klerfayt> DralaFi: I'm sure I read somewhere that ubuntu comes with no open ports
[10:53] <ehird> why cant i install mysql via apt-get
[10:53] <linuxbaldi> algum falante pt-br?
[10:53] <DralaFi> klerfayt, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_port
[10:55] <klerfayt> DralaFi: I see it best if my ports are closed?
[10:56] <hollywoodb> klerfayt: is best if your ports are stealthed if you're actually worried.  google for 'shields up', they have a decent portscanner
[10:57] <Bubba_Gump> :)
[10:57] <DralaFi> isn't shields up run by some maniac guy that keeps spitting out insecurity theories, only to be debunked by security experts?
[10:57] <klerfayt> I'm not worried; does kubuntu come with closed or open ports?
[10:57] <hollywoodb> DralaFi: hah, I have no idea, but the portscan interface there is nice
[10:58] <DralaFi> klerfayt, both open and closed ports
[10:58] <binary2k2> klerfayt: kubuntu == ubuntu with KDE
[10:58] <klerfayt> how can it be both at the same time?
[10:59] <hollywoodb> voodoo
[10:59] <DralaFi> hollywoodb, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Gibson
[11:00] <klerfayt> what for do we need th firewall then if ports are closed and open thanks to voodoo?
[11:00] <DralaFi> klerfayt, because that's how internet connectivity works. you have open and closed ports. It's all natural.
[11:01] <fdoving> dhq: yes, sorry the delay. kid was going to bed.
[11:01] <DralaFi> klerfayt, you need to go urgently to google.com and read up on TCP/IP and other network technologies.
[11:01] <binary2k2> klerfayt: if a port is open, it's accepting connections, if it's closed, it denys connection. If it's stealthed it just won't respond
[11:02] <|lostbyte|> fdoving, he lost his root preveledge over his current user which was persent in sudo ..
[11:03] <DralaFi> afaik to properly stealth, you need to respond with an ICMP telling the host that the port was unreachable
[11:03] <hollywoodb> DralaFi: hehe, that's entertaining ;) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/25/steve_gibson_invents_broken_syncookies/
[11:04] <Zamboulie> i'm trying to run automatix but it says dpkg is already runnin
[11:04] <klerfayt> what is firewall doing then? if ports are closed and open then needed?
[11:04] <Hawkwind> !automatix | Zamboulie
[11:04] <ubotu> Zamboulie: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[11:04] <binary2k2> DralaFi: no, if you resopnd with ICMP, then the peoson connecting knows that your IP is live
[11:04] <DralaFi> hollywoodb, lol
[11:04] <binary2k2> person*
[11:05] <fdoving> |lostbyte|: did he boot from the livecd and become root, mount the installed system, copy passwd and shadow back, from /var/backups and rebuild /etc/sudoers ?
[11:05] <DralaFi> binary2k2, true. But then you can't respond to ICMP-Echo_Request either
[11:06] <Zamboulie> mhmm
[11:06] <smaggard> hello again :D
[11:06] <DralaFi> and if you have any servers running, you'd have to restrict them to a subset of hosts or something
[11:06] <dhq> fdoving: now i copied all the files copies the fstab and am back on edgy
[11:06] <Zamboulie> i've tried doing sudo killall dpkg
[11:06] <Zamboulie> but it still says it
[11:06] <dhq> fdoving: problem is now i cant sudo
[11:06] <binary2k2> DralaFi: yep, and most firewalls block ICMP echo requests
[11:06] <fdoving> dhq: did it boot fine?
[11:06] <dhq> yes
[11:07] <fdoving> dhq: good. very good.
[11:07] <dhq> some lock files with the var error othere than that all fine
[11:07] <fdoving> dhq: reboot, and select recovery mode in grub.
[11:07] <dhq> fdoving: and then
[11:08] <fdoving> dhq: then run 'visudo'
[11:08] <DralaFi> binary2k2, iptables doesn't unless you tell it to :) but then icmp is good and useful. Remember, Security through obscurity is not useful at all, and someone that wants to target you can probably just intercept your tcp communication to other hosts and see that you are indeed there.
[11:08] <fdoving> dhq: then.. input..
[11:08] <hollywoodb> DralaFi: well if Gibson's amazing insight into security ever fails him maybe he can team up with the time cube guy
[11:08] <dhq> brb after recovery
[11:08] <dhq> fdoving: brb
[11:08] <|lostbyte|> dhq, wait..
[11:08] <fdoving> ehm..
[11:08] <c> I have just reinstalled my laptop from dapper to Edgy.  I have kept the original home directory intact (and it is also still mounted as home).  I have also made a copy of both the old /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow.  Now how can I make these users being able to login and access to home directories?
[11:08] <|lostbyte|> opps..
[11:08] <fdoving> well.. that won't help him much.
[11:09] <DralaFi> hollywoodb, time cube? I've not heard of that before.
[11:09] <georgeb> fdoving: but what happend to him ? messed up /etc/sudoers or just lost the "admin" user ?
[11:09] <|lostbyte|> fdoving, :) he will be backk ..
[11:09] <hollywoodb> DralaFi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_cube  and http://www.timecube.com/   good stuff ;)
[11:09] <fdoving> georgeb: deleted /etc/sudoers by mistake.
[11:10] <binary2k2> DralaFi: you have to find a host to target first, if your system dosen't reply at all, then they dont know if you are blocking the ports or off-line. so they just find a more vunerable host to target
[11:10] <georgeb> fdoving: ouch
[11:10] <fdoving> |lostbyte|: if i'm not here when he comes back, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30219/ is a minimal /etc/sudoers file. FYI.
[11:10] <fdoving> georgeb: not as bad as it sounds :)
[11:11] <georgeb> fdoving: then maybe he'd better setup a password for root; boot up with the regular user; the su to root, paste /etc/sudoers and passwd -d root :)
[11:11] <DralaFi> binary2k2, agreed. But it might be possible to monitor all traffic (with promisc turned on) and construct a list of connections across a link, and then taget each one. Though I imagine this will be no trivial task.
[11:12] <georgeb> fdoving: I think this is easier than visudo, press input, now write:....... ... ... ..... .... :)
[11:12] <fdoving> georgeb: or just reboot to recovery mode, run visudo and write in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30219/
[11:12] <|lostbyte|> fdoving, fine..
[11:12] <fdoving> georgeb: you can use links/lynx and gpm from recovery mode.
[11:12] <dhq12> fdoving: i did the recovery mode now
[11:12] <binary2k2> DralaFi: exacty, a cracker will, more often than not, just scan a subnet and look for the vunerable ones
[11:12] <dhq12> what did you say something bout visudo
[11:13] <|lostbyte|> lol
[11:13] <georgeb> :))
[11:13] <|lostbyte|> dhq12, go here.. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30219/
[11:13] <fdoving> dhq12: are you in recovery mode now?
[11:13] <DralaFi> hollywoodb, very interesting, but the site's hard to read with the fonts and sizes
[11:13] <dhq12> fdoving: yes
[11:13] <|lostbyte|> dhq12, go back to recovery mode. do visudo and make sur eyou have those lines in it.
[11:14] <DralaFi> binary2k2, I guess it's far quicker to just target windows machines that will probably be more insecure and more likely to get them a few more hosts in their botnet (botnets seem to be a big thing lately :( )
[11:14] <Acc\Deny> Hi, I boot my system with Kubuntu and it seems its continously doing something with the HDD, WHY? I thought it was supposed to boot into LIVE mode.... I have 6.06 LTS.
[11:14] <georgeb> fdoving: sorry.. never been in recovery mode in ubuntu; I thought that it's the usual single mode with no X, no networking, etc
[11:15] <astronaute> quake 4 on gentoo amd64 ?? please query me (can't toggle console !)
[11:15] <dudanogueira> please, im recording the klettres pt-br sounds, and would like to know where klettres store this data for testing my own recordings... how to discover where it is?
[11:16] <binary2k2> DralaFi: you'd be surprised how many windows users have open SMB shares, used to be fun to see what people had in them (when I was youger :> )
[11:16] <Acc\Deny> Further I am facing the classic "Linux Intel 845 X.org Syndrome" :). Please have a look at my problem-description on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30220/
[11:17] <DralaFi> binary2k2, of course. And I heard that that's the fastest way viruses spread at university.
[11:18] <Parkotron> DralaFi: Very true. Back when I lived in residence the network was a cesspool of infection.
[11:18] <binary2k2> DralaFi: I remember reading a sevurity thing a while back. A freshly installed windows system was put on the internet, and before the updates even installed it was full of viruses and wormes
[11:19] <DralaFi> Parkotron, luckily I never got hit, as I was running linux at the time.
[11:19] <DralaFi> binary2k2, wasn't it like 5 minites on the internet and you'd get infected?
[11:19] <morghanphoenix> Aybody know why my speakers would put out a really obnoxious buzzing noise when I'm trying to watch a movie?
[11:20] <binary2k2> DralaFi: something like that. Just another reason to go with linux
[11:20] <Parkotron> DralaFi: I was was running Windows at the time, but you could stay clean easily enough if you knew what you were doing. Like, for example, installing a virus scanner. :)
[11:21] <georgeb> binary2k2: about 1.5 years ago I installed WinXP on a computer, I plugged the network in to do the updates, and after 2 minutes (the windows update site didn't load yet) it was infected, you know.. that nice pop-up saying that the computer will shutdown in 60 seconds; I downloaded the fixes, put them on one of my server, booted windows, and in 60 seconds I had to donwload and install them;  :)
[11:21] <ehird> ... since when did gtk2 apps intergrate seamlessly with kde?!
[11:21] <ehird> AWESOME!
[11:21] <DralaFi> Acc\Deny, http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html those drivers?
[11:21] <zorglu_> yep lyx is still very good to write text rapidely :)
[11:22] <Acc\Deny> DralaFi: Yep.
[11:22] <binary2k2> DralaFi: speeking of viruses, I have 1 win PC in the house (for the people who are dumb), and I have to shell out like 40 to renew the virus subscription now :(
[11:22] <dhq123> fdoving: the options were the same
[11:23] <DralaFi> Parkotron, well I'm getting increasingly suspicious that anti-virus companies actually create new virii and add holes in their software/windows specifically so that they can conviniently find a cure and release a new product upgrade...
[11:23] <fdoving> dhq123: they were already there?
[11:23] <dhq123> fdoving: yes
[11:23] <DralaFi> ehird, they do? :O cool
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> binary2k2:  i like that avg antivurus tools.. its free for the  unsupported version
[11:23] <linuxbaldi> Alo algum pt-br a
[11:24] <georgeb> DralaFi: I remember that in the 90s there was a rumor saying that McAfee was responsible for about 10% of the virii in the wild :)
[11:24] <fdoving> dhq123: ok, what is the output of 'id username' where username is your login name?
[11:24] <Hawkwind> !pt | linuxbaldi
[11:24] <ubotu> linuxbaldi: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[11:24] <DralaFi> georgeb, how else would they stay in business? :/
[11:24] <ehird> DralaFi: do for me
[11:24] <ehird> same menu styles, icons look good too - antialiasing settings used
[11:24] <ehird> at least, MySQL Administrator is a GTK app last time i checked
[11:25] <binary2k2> DralaFi: I have that norton AV internet security thing on it, with the AV scanner, firewall, anti-spam ...
[11:25] <dhq123> fdoving: dint get you
[11:25] <fdoving> dhq123: is your login name 'dhq' ?
[11:25] <binary2k2> DralaFi: not like I really trust any of it
[11:25] <dhq123> yes
[11:25] <fdoving> dhq123: 'id dhq' what does that output?
[11:25] <dhq123> uid 100
[11:25] <DralaFi> binary2k2, i think i have that too. damn thing's annoying. Have to disable firewall so i can ping my linux box to be sure the ethernet link is active
[11:26] <fdoving> dhq123: that's all?
[11:26] <dhq123> gid 1000(dhq)
[11:26] <georgeb> DralaFi: also, I know that one big AV company appeared because the "chief engineer" was a virii writer; but he had some problems, the goal of writing good virii was to make it unrecognizable by the AVs, and his computer was pretty much infected with his own virii, so he created a basic AV to remove his own virii, and further developed his AV :)
[11:26] <slow-motion> n8
[11:26] <dhq123> groups=1000(dhq
[11:27] <dhq123> fdoving: what do i do now
[11:27] <dhq123> groups=1000(dhq)
[11:27] <dhq123> gid 1000(dhq)
[11:27] <DralaFi> georgeb, that sounds cool. I bet he learned a lot in the process.
[11:27] <fdoving> dhq123: uid=1000(dhq) gid=1000(dhq) groups=1000(dhq) ?
[11:27] <dhq123> fdoving: yes
[11:28] <Parkotron> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/23/spamthru_trojan/ < Most innovative malware technique I've seen in a while.
[11:28] <binary2k2> DralaFi: I don't really need the firewall on it, as it's behind a nat and has no ports faceing the internet. but as soon as you try to disable it on my win box it starts saying "Your computer is at risk! you have no firewall active"
[11:28] <spowell> Hello
[11:29] <DralaFi> binary2k2, yes windows likes to spam. It keeps spamming me with bubble messages in the task bar that my wifi is disconnected.
[11:29] <fdoving> dhq123: ok, run this command: 'for groups in `echo cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin`;do adduser dhq $groups;done'
[11:29] <binary2k2> DralaFi: and that windows firewall is a piece of C**P!
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: The chances are it actually is disconnected (just reconnecting very fast) you can disable the continuous scanning to stop that
[11:30] <zorglu_> Parkotron: hehe they start to be serious :)
[11:30] <dhq123> fdoving: then
[11:30] <binary2k2> DralaFi: and when you installed updates and have to restart, you click "restart later", 2 mins later it asks again! i'm like "f$%k off will you"
[11:30] <binary2k2> DralaFi: it's just so easy to get in to a rant about windows :P
[11:31] <DralaFi> binary2k2, doesn't the windows firewall only block incoming connections, but can happily spread malware out?
[11:31] <fdoving> dhq123: then run 'id dhq' again.
[11:31] <DralaFi> h3sp4wn, no, it's turned off with the RF kill switch. Just if i exit a game it will pop up, as if to 'kindly' let me know...
[11:31] <binary2k2> DralaFi: it wont even block all incomeing connections by default, some "system services" will have full access
[11:32] <dhq123> fdoving: uid=1000(dhq) gid=1000(dhq) groups=1000(dhq),24(cdrom),25(floppy              ideo),46(plugdev),109(lpadmin),111(scanner),113(admin)
[11:32] <zorglu_> binary2k2: oh btw what the port port open by default on ubunut ? :)
[11:32] <DralaFi> binary2k2, lol yeah, easy to rant about windows.
[11:32] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: Must be poor quality hardware or drivers then
[11:32] <zorglu_> binary2k2: not that easy to rant :)
[11:32] <fdoving> dhq123: good. then try to 'su dhq' and run 'sudo' to see if it works.
[11:33] <DralaFi> h3sp4wn, possible, though I'm blaming win xp home
[11:33] <fdoving> dhq123: run 'sudo -i' or 'sudo id' or something.. just to check.
[11:33] <binary2k2> DralaFi: ubuntu has no open ports on the default install
[11:33] <binary2k2> DralaFi: you start install services, then some open
[11:33] <dhq123> fdoving: i dont have to enter a password now
[11:33] <zorglu_> binary2k2: hue ? last time i looked, aka on dapper, it is more they are ALL open
[11:33] <DralaFi> binary2k2, because it doean't start any servers, I imagine.
[11:34] <fdoving> dhq123: ok, but you're not denied? then you can reboot to the real system.
[11:34] <dhq123> fdoving: thanx a million :)
[11:34] <binary2k2> zorglu_: how can ALL your ports be open?
[11:34] <binary2k2> DralaFi: that's right, no network services anyway
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> pf is a much more powerful firewall than iptables if you are into that type of thing
[11:35] <DralaFi> binary2k2, sshd is indespensible though :)
[11:35] <zorglu_> binary2k2: well simply, you dont block any, as pre sp2 window or dapper, and likly edgy
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: So you have sshd only bound to the internal interface
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: Or only use key based auth
[11:36] <DralaFi> it's better not to block if you don't run anything on the port. Imagine all the netfilter chain checking the kernel has to do *per packet* if you have most of the ports blocked?
[11:36] <binary2k2> DralaFi: i use sshd, but have it set to only alow connections from my LAN, you can also set it up in iptables to only open the port when you "knock" on another port first
[11:37] <zorglu_> mouaoua ok :)
[11:37] <aib> I rebooted after a small update and now get two error messages: "Error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy" and "Could not open default font fixed". i've read about others with this problem but no solution. X will not start.
[11:37] <DralaFi> binary2k2, heard of port knocking, though not seen or looked for any sortware to do that just yet.
[11:37] <zorglu_> security is hard :)
[11:37] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: Or use a firewall (i.e pf) where the default policy can be deny with only specific things that are allowed
[11:37] <binary2k2> zorglu_: unless a service is running on a port, it's closed
[11:37] <zorglu_> port knowcking is no more secure that plain password guys :)
[11:37] <DralaFi> h3sp4wn, whatever's the default for sshd. User/pass authentication, not the ssh host key auth.
[11:38] <DralaFi> zorglu_, that is true :)
[11:38] <DralaFi> on both counts
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> Or use a vpn
[11:39] <zorglu_> well as it is part of my job to break protocol, i have some knowledge about this :)
[11:39] <zorglu_> not one that i broke :)
[11:39] <zorglu_> tinc
[11:39] <zorglu_> and what was the others
[11:39] <ehird> i like deny by default firewalls
[11:39] <ehird> far more secure than anything else
[11:39] <binary2k2> in the example i saw, the guy had it set up that you knock on port 21 top open 22, but if you scan port 21 then 22, then 23, it closes again
[11:39] <zorglu_> ah yeah, not vtun either :)
[11:40] <zorglu_> binary2k2: simply use telnet, it is as secure :)
[11:40] <zorglu_> binary2k2: i guess you dont believe me when i tell you that :)
[11:40] <binary2k2> zorglu_: telnet is secure as ssh?
[11:40] <zorglu_> nope as port knocking
[11:40] <binary2k2> zorglu_: no i dont :P
[11:41] <zorglu_> well you should :)
[11:41] <zorglu_> ok am off, have fun.
[11:41] <zorglu_> btw dont forget to do your own crypto, crypto is simple too :)
[11:41] <binary2k2> zorglu_: if you need, ssh over external net, then get good pass :P
[11:41] <DralaFi> better wouls be to make a 10 part port knock. ie. to open port 21, you need to knock on 44332 then 12052, then 62234, then 23423, then .......
[11:41] <dhq> fdoving: am back all seems fine
[11:42] <binary2k2> DralaFi: that is a better idea, yes
[11:42] <fdoving> dhq: nice, tell me if you experience problems. :)
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> Or just use openbsd - I can't see how anyone paranoid about security would use anything else
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> (that is free)
[11:42] <dhq> fdoving: just that all the stuff i had in apache2 mysql all those files are nothere
[11:43] <fdoving> the configs?
[11:43] <DralaFi> h3sp4wn, can't you just port openbsd software to linux and then have a rock-solid secure linux?
[11:43] <binary2k2> there is only 1 was to be totaly secure, turn the system off :P
[11:43] <binary2k2> and then burn the HDD
[11:44] <DralaFi> binary2k2, cut the network cable
[11:44] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: No
[11:44] <DralaFi> :
[11:44] <DralaFi> :)
[11:44] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: You can port parts of it (with some work) - but the firewall is streets ahead of iptables
[11:45] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: And as yet not ported
[11:45] <DralaFi> Acc\Deny, can't you just boot kde on a very small resolution, do your apt stuff and then have i915resolution at the rest of the stuff?
[11:45] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: isakmpd is ported (and is better than open/free swan
[11:46] <jeff_> hello all, I just installed kubuntu on my desktop machine.  Looks pretty cool so far.  I've got pclinuxos on my laptop and really like it.  My question is:  Does Kubuntu have a program that will allow you to pick, download, and install programs automatically like synaptic in pclinuxos?
[11:46] <DralaFi> h3sp4wn, ahh. I don't really know much about openbsd, except it's run bt Theo and is supposed to be very secure.
[11:46] <cntb> hey guys how do I update locate db ?
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: you could use selinux
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> !selinux
[11:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about selinux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:46] <binary2k2> jeff_: kubuntu uses Adept as the package manager
[11:46] <fdoving> jeff_: there is 'kmenu -> system -> adept manager' - you can also install synaptic if you prefer it.
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: or basilisk or whatever its called
[11:46] <binary2k2> jeff_: but use that to install synaptic :P
[11:46] <DralaFi> h3sp4wn, if you wanted to restrict your machine that much, you could use selinux
[11:46] <TheGateKeeper> jeff_: apt-get install synaptic
[11:47] <georgeb> binary2k2: a post I saw some time ago was something like: "the most secure computer is one that is not connected to Internet; this is way I recomend Telia"(or replace Telia with your "favourite" ISP)
[11:47] <jeff_> ok, thanks, ill check it out
[11:47] <DralaFi> it's all a compromise between security and useability
[11:49] <binary2k2> have you seen those M$ adds where they say "we see security... we see protection"? wee see bull sh**
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> You can go to insane lengths (hardware write protected scsi disks for / and /usr) everything mounted noexec, nosuid except / and /usr
[11:51] <h3sp4wn> But 99.5% of time or more unless you are interested in doing it (to see how to do it) its a waste of time
[11:52] <jeff_> I was wondering if you could install upgraded printer drivers, or update the program the manages the printers.  I went to add a printer that is on my home network on a windows coputer.  I can see the printer on the network but the proper driver isn't listed.
[11:55] <jeff_> I have yet to get a printer working under linux.  But kubuntu has came the closest.  If I try an alternate driver I do get some response from the printer but no print.  If I just had the right driver.
[11:55] <Zamboulie> !mp3
[11:55] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> jeff_: You can install services for unix onto windows (make it look like a lpd printer)
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> jeff_: print services for unix sorry
[11:56] <smaggard> hi again
[11:56] <smaggard> the master is back :D
[11:57] <jeff_> thanks, h3, where can i find more info on that?
[11:59] <Bubba_Gump> whats a good firewall app?
[12:00] <jordi_> anybody knows the GPG key for the Opera repo?
[12:00] <binary2k2> I use firestarter
[12:00] <HymnToLife> !firewall
[12:00] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:01] <h3sp4wn> jeff_: microsoft technet maybe (its for windows - maybe try ##windows - I am sure that is something they will know more about)
[12:01] <atticstorm> All, is there a good tool out there to convert large PDF files down smaller, or to convert them to something like a PNG file or HTML?  Thanks.
[12:01] <der_steppenwolf> hi, how can i update kubuntu breezy badger with kde 3.5.5 ?
[12:01] <binary2k2> jordi_: you can get it from the canonical commersial repo
[12:01] <h3sp4wn> der_steppenwolf: you need to upgrade breezy to dapper first
[12:02] <Bubba_Gump> download the dvd torrent
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> der_steppenwolf: or breezy - dapper - edgy (its in edgy by default)
[12:02] <der_steppenwolf> that means i should download or get the whole dapper CD?
[12:02] <Bubba_Gump> get the edgy or dapper cd yeah
[12:03] <h3sp4wn> der_steppenwolf: there are packages for dapper (on kubuntu.org) - or edgy has it by default - your choice
[12:03] <der_steppenwolf> that's angry...
[12:03] <der_steppenwolf> Updating is much more easy with gentoo :-(
[12:04] <binary2k2> der_steppenwolf: you don't need the CD/DVD to upgrade
[12:04] <der_steppenwolf> there are packages for dapper, but i have tried and they are not compatible, are they?
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> No
[12:05] <der_steppenwolf> so, should i update the whole /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:05] <binary2k2> der_steppenwolf: just change "dapper" to "breezy" or "edgy" in the sources.list depending on if you want dapper or edgy
[12:06] <der_steppenwolf> ok, thanks
[12:06] <h3sp4wn> breezy -> edgy would be not straightforward
[12:06] <h3sp4wn> breezy -> dapper -> edgy theoretically should work
[12:07] <binary2k2> yeah, that's probably the best way
[12:07] <killermach__> anyone know where to find info on how to install kubuntu via network?
[12:07] <vanhurck> how u mean network
[12:07] <oLLi9o> salve a tutti!
[12:07] <vanhurck> you can easely download it from the net
[12:07] <h3sp4wn> killermach__: what you mean debian installer where you ssh in ? maybe it would be possible
[12:08] <georgeb> atticstorm: package pdftohtml : Translates pdf files into HTML or XML formats, combined with png images. But I don't know if it works with all pdfs
[12:08] <oLLi9o> c' nessuno che parli italiano?
[12:08] <h3sp4wn> killermach__: Look at the debian docs and try to make your own debian installer image maybe you can
[12:09] <oLLi9o> can anyone help me?
[12:09] <dbglt> is there a ubuntu package for libgpod-0.4?
[12:09] <atticstorm> georgeb: Thanks I will apt-get and give it a try.
[12:09] <binary2k2> !it
[12:09] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:09] <oLLi9o> Grazie mille!
[12:10] <killermach__> I have the iso's I could could mount w/ -o loop on the samba server then access them, just need an install to run from knoppix boot or such