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| grndslm | cjwatson, i created it, linked it to /dev/pilot, changed permissions, and jpilot still won't sync | 12:15 |
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| grndslm | so, if it's not automagically creating the dev node, and it won't sync....could it be the fault of the visor module? | 12:16 |
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| cjwatson | yes, very likely it's failing to talk to the hardware somehow | 12:18 |
| grndslm | so, i should file a bug on launchpad? | 12:22 |
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| cjwatson | grndslm: yes, on linux-source-2.6.17 | 12:23 |
| grndslm | ok... | 12:23 |
| Amaranth | arg, no jono | 12:23 |
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| cjwatson | Burgwork: at the very least it desperately, desperately needs competent review | 12:24 |
| cjwatson | I found six easily-correctable mistakes in 20 minutes | 12:24 |
| Burgwork | cjwatson: the people from ubuntuguide just emailed us asking for a merge of projects | 12:25 |
| mirak | LANG=en sudo apt-get build-dep vdr | 12:27 |
| mirak | elmo: Build-Depends dependency for vdr cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package linux-kernel-headers can satisfy version requirements | 12:28 |
| StevenK | Heh | 12:28 |
| mirak | a really poor job was done on edgy | 12:28 |
| mirak | linux-kernel-headers doesn't even exist in ubuntu | 12:29 |
| mirak | apt is a problem for this | 12:29 |
| mirak | I can't even fix that | 12:29 |
| imbrandon | mirak, linux-libc-dev == linux headers | 12:30 |
| imbrandon | in edgy | 12:30 |
| mirak | imbrandon: ok but the dependance is not good | 12:30 |
| mirak | in the control file | 12:30 |
| imbrandon | sure then file a bug on vdr | 12:30 |
| mirak | how can I fix that ? | 12:30 |
| cjwatson | mirak: aside from the above, 'en' isn't a valid locale - that should be en_US.UTF-8 or en_GB.UTF-8 or whatever | 12:30 |
| imbrandon | !info vdr | 12:30 |
| mirak | cjwatson: it's just so you get the error in english | 12:31 |
| mirak | otherwise it would be in french ... | 12:31 |
| mirak | !info vdr | 12:31 |
| imbrandon | mirak, vdr: Video Disk Recorder for DVB cards. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.4.0-2 (edgy), package size 693 kB, installed size 2108 kB | 12:31 |
| cjwatson | mirak: bug 65340 | 12:31 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65340 in vdr "[UNMETDEPS] vdr has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65340 | 12:31 |
| imbrandon | mirmeans its MOTU | 12:31 |
| cjwatson | mirak: "a really poor job was done on edgy" is absurdly harsh | 12:32 |
| cjwatson | it's one bug, and easily worked around | 12:32 |
| tepsipakki | mirak: use the packages from e-tobi.net | 12:32 |
| mirak | cjwatson: I couldn't even boot edgy ! | 12:32 |
| cjwatson | mirak: the value of LANG needs to be one of the values from the first column of /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED | 12:32 |
| tepsipakki | mirak: the situation _will_ get better for feisty | 12:32 |
| cjwatson | mirak: 'en' is not a valid locale | 12:32 |
| cjwatson | mirak: wouldn't you agree that that's totally unconnected to this problem? | 12:32 |
| mirak | cjwatson: LANG=sdfsdf sudo apt-get build-dep vdr | 12:33 |
| mirak | cjwatson: that still output english, I don't ask more | 12:33 |
| cjwatson | mirak: if that's all you want, then do 'LANG=C' | 12:33 |
| mirak | ok | 12:33 |
| cjwatson | some programs will emit an error or even refuse to start (hi, bzr) when you use an invalid locale | 12:33 |
| tepsipakki | mirak: packages from e-tobi will be uplodaed to debian soonish, and thus to ubuntu | 12:33 |
| tepsipakki | uploaded | 12:33 |
| mirak | tepsipakki: I look at this, thanks | 12:33 |
| tepsipakki | they install just fine | 12:34 |
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| tepsipakki | I have an edgy box with two tuners with e-tobi packages.. | 12:35 |
| mirak | do you use softcam ? | 12:35 |
| mirak | or X output ? | 12:35 |
| tepsipakki | nope | 12:35 |
| tepsipakki | ttpci | 12:35 |
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| mirak | but you can't play divx | 12:36 |
| tepsipakki | anyway, the packages at e-tobi are maintained by the same people that put the min debian, so they'll be merged in time | 12:37 |
| tepsipakki | mirak: use the mplayer-plugin, works just fine | 12:37 |
| mirak | ok | 12:37 |
| mirak | hem I don't read german | 12:37 |
| mirak | what rep should I take ? | 12:37 |
| tepsipakki | unstable | 12:38 |
| tepsipakki | which really isn't :) | 12:38 |
| mirak | k | 12:38 |
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| tepsipakki | deb http://e-tobi.net/vdr-experimental sid vd-multipatch base addons ... | 12:39 |
| tepsipakki | can't check right now, but that should work | 12:40 |
| mirak | ok | 12:40 |
| tepsipakki | multipach is nice.. subtitles and all | 12:40 |
| tepsipakki | getting a bit offtopic :) | 12:40 |
| mirak | tepsipakki: whoooho ! there is all the plugins | 12:43 |
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| mirak | tepsipakki: experimental have to many new packages | 12:49 |
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| tepsipakki | doesn't matter | 12:54 |
| tepsipakki | e-tobi experimental, that is | 12:54 |
| tepsipakki | should install just fine | 12:54 |
| mirak | vdr-dev still won't install | 12:57 |
| mirak | if I need to build the plugin softcam I need that | 12:57 |
| mirak | tepsipakki: and also some addons are broken | 12:58 |
| tepsipakki | hmm, ok.. | 12:58 |
| tepsipakki | mine is fine | 12:58 |
| tepsipakki | can't check right now since the box is not on | 12:59 |
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| tepsipakki | mirak: I'll pass out soon, so try other versions of the repo or something :D -> | 01:03 |
| StevenK | mpt: Rev 8 of my branch is pushing now - drag-n-drop works, and Kubuntu works as well. | 01:07 |
| mirak | can you tell me what gives, apt-get build-dep mythtv ? | 01:08 |
| mirak | this is also broken for me | 01:08 |
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| cjwatson | apt-get build-dep mythtv> works for me (I didn't try actually doing the installation, but it doesn't complain about conflicts or missing packages or anything) | 01:26 |
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| imbrandon | mythtv should be fine, i'm the one that did those builds and uploads, everything checked then ( and still seems too , i just checked ) | 01:51 |
| imbrandon | cjwatson, mirak ^ | 01:52 |
| imbrandon | so you might have other issues, or a non ubuntu mythtv | 01:52 |
| imbrandon | mirak, ^ | 01:52 |
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| mirak | imbrandon: no no | 01:53 |
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| mpt | StevenK, cool, thanks, I'll look at it on the plane | 02:14 |
| mirak | apt hell | 02:20 |
| cjwatson | nixternal: please note my edit to Ubiquity/ReleaseNotes | 02:21 |
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| nixternal | cjwatson: thanks for pointing that out ;) | 03:31 |
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| Lubix | hello please help me no one in the mono room is alive | 03:34 |
| Lubix | does mono ofter visual gui designing? | 03:34 |
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| _ion | How does that relate to the development of Ubuntu? | 03:35 |
| Lubix | can you help or no? | 03:35 |
| Lubix | the mono thread is dead im trying to figure something out | 03:36 |
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| _ion | I would propose changing the topic from "Ubuntu Development" to "Development of Ubuntu", but the ones who should read it don't read it anyway. :-) | 03:39 |
| Lubix | listen i know its not the approved forum dude i just want a question answered and i cant find it else where | 03:40 |
| tfheen | Lubix: you might want to take a look at monodevelop | 03:41 |
| Lubix | i did i just want to know how to get the visual designer mode open in mono | 03:41 |
| Lubix | please | 03:42 |
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| === Amaranth need jono | ||
| Amaranth | he will be in san fran tomorrow, right? | 04:40 |
| Burgundavia | likely | 04:41 |
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| Amaranth | ajmitch: ping? | 04:43 |
| Burgundavia | likely already in transit | 04:44 |
| Burgundavia | Amaranth: what do you need? | 04:44 |
| Amaranth | wanted to know what hotel he was staying at | 04:45 |
| Lure | Amaranth: wild palms sunnyvale | 04:49 |
| Amaranth | Lure: ajmitch is staying somewhere else | 04:53 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch is staying with whiprush | 04:53 |
| Lure | Amaranth: sorry, I though you meant jono... | 04:53 |
| Amaranth | was looking for jono because i think he is the only one that will be there tomorrow :) | 04:53 |
| Amaranth | i'll just have to get on IRC when i get there and see if someone else is there already :) | 04:54 |
| imbrandon | Amaranth, i'll be there | 05:01 |
| imbrandon | Amaranth, i leave in about 4 hours | 05:01 |
| imbrandon | y? | 05:01 |
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| Amaranth | well, my plane doesn't land there until 11pm tomorrow | 05:01 |
| Amaranth | i was mostly looking for a ride on sunday :) | 05:02 |
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| ivoks | raphink: hi | 10:24 |
| raphink | hi ivoks :) | 10:24 |
| raphink | how areyou? | 10:24 |
| ivoks | great, you? | 10:25 |
| ivoks | i've signed your key :) | 10:25 |
| raphink | I'm good :) | 10:25 |
| raphink | oh ok :) | 10:25 |
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| raphink | ivoks: how was your trip? | 10:28 |
| ivoks | raphink: heh, we were at train station hour and half earlier than planned | 10:30 |
| raphink | hehe | 10:30 |
| ivoks | raphink: but trip was ok, we were sleeping most of it :) | 10:30 |
| raphink | :) | 10:30 |
| raphink | I almost missed my plane | 10:30 |
| ivoks | hehe | 10:30 |
| raphink | because I remembered I had to go to the end of the metra line | 10:31 |
| raphink | but I took the wrong one | 10:31 |
| raphink | lol | 10:31 |
| ivoks | lol | 10:31 |
| raphink | so when I got to the end of M2, I was searching for the bug | 10:31 |
| raphink | bus | 10:31 |
| raphink | and couldn't find it | 10:31 |
| raphink | so I went to see people | 10:31 |
| ivoks | lol | 10:31 |
| raphink | and tried my best to ask | 10:31 |
| raphink | I was like | 10:31 |
| raphink | errr Feriegy... bus Feriegyken | 10:31 |
| raphink | hmm plane ... | 10:32 |
| raphink | and obviously no one understood me | 10:32 |
| ivoks | i think they would understand 'avion' | 10:32 |
| raphink | eventually I had to go back to the center | 10:32 |
| raphink | and take the other metro | 10:32 |
| raphink | but that was fine cause I was still on time :) | 10:32 |
| raphink | ivoks: did you see my pics? | 10:32 |
| ivoks | raphink: no | 10:33 |
| ivoks | i still didn't montage my film :/ | 10:33 |
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| pygi | morning | 10:35 |
| ivoks | hey pygi | 10:36 |
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| pygi | sivang: ping? | 11:39 |
| zyga | can anyone with intel based laptop (around pentium iii age) confirm that cpu scaling is not working? | 11:42 |
| pygi | zyga: uh, no Pentium III here | 11:47 |
| zyga | hmm | 11:47 |
| zyga | what's up pygi :-) | 11:47 |
| zyga | I haven't been here a while | 11:47 |
| pygi | zyga: not much, hacking the libburn thingy and being sick :P | 11:48 |
| pygi | what about you? | 11:48 |
| zyga | hacking my private code, being sick and waiting for our baby :-) | 11:49 |
| pygi | o joy ^_^ | 11:49 |
| zyga | I was looking at targeting a small spec to implement in the holiday | 11:49 |
| pygi | zyga: implement multi session in libburn/libisofs :) | 11:49 |
| zyga | link please? | 11:50 |
| pygi | zyga: http://libburn.pykix.org | 11:50 |
| pygi | it's not small anyway, I'm just joking ^_^ | 11:50 |
| zyga | ah | 11:51 |
| zyga | I need something small to make it realistic :-) | 11:51 |
| pygi | it requires quite a lot of work actually =) | 11:51 |
| pygi | Hm, you familiar with python C api? :P | 11:52 |
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| zyga | virtually no | 11:53 |
| zyga | I saw quite a lot of code but never wrote any | 11:53 |
| pygi | aha :P | 11:54 |
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| pygi | zyga: SO just say in what are you interested ^_^ | 12:00 |
| zyga | hmm, python | 12:03 |
| zyga | desktop integration | 12:03 |
| zyga | or new language integration | 12:03 |
| zyga | or command line C tools | 12:04 |
| zyga | that's what I really like | 12:04 |
| pygi | zyga: what about working on genisofs? :P | 12:04 |
| zyga | what is it? | 12:04 |
| pygi | zyga: mkisofs compatibility layer | 12:05 |
| pygi | zyga: http://libburn.pykix.org/wiki/GenIsoFs | 12:05 |
| zyga | ah, like generate iso filesystem | 12:05 |
| zyga | lots of lots of options | 12:05 |
| pygi | the library does that for you actually :P | 12:05 |
| pygi | indeed :P | 12:05 |
| zyga | is it vaporware? | 12:06 |
| pygi | what is vaporware? ! | 12:06 |
| zyga | well ... it it implemented yet? | 12:06 |
| pygi | genisofs is just an idea | 12:06 |
| pygi | the library is working | 12:06 |
| zyga | right - so it's vaporware (vapor - ware) :-) | 12:06 |
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| zyga | if you want help with that do tell me more | 12:07 |
| pygi | nothing is vaporware ^_^ | 12:07 |
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| Whoopie | sladen: Hi, as hotkey-setup maintainer, do you know where Gnome sets the audio volume (in which source)? Is it possible to change its behaviour so that the up/down steps are constant and in steps from 0 till 14. | 12:21 |
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| sladen | Whoopie: if you file a bug report that the steps are not even, and that this is the most stupid idea ever invented, I would be MORE than happy to fix that bug permanently and with great avengance, for the that feature is a great unjust | 12:38 |
| Treenaks | logarithmic volume controls! | 12:39 |
| sladen | Treenaks: logarithmic would have sense, non-linear *soooo* does not | 12:40 |
| Whoopie | for my thinkpad (which has a hardware mixer), even steps are needed so that software and hardware mixer are in sync. | 12:41 |
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| sladen | Whoopie: (shhh, that's actually a separate issue. But yes, before the asymetric volume movement was introduced, that worked a little better | 12:42 |
| sladen | Whoopie: long term plan to 'fix' the issue would be a tiny daemon that keeps the ALSA and ThinkPad mixers aligned | 12:43 |
| sladen | Whoopie: Apple choose 16 steps, IBM 14 steps. Whereas the gnome volume now has (a) too many steps in one direction (b) too few steps in the other direction | 12:44 |
| Whoopie | sladen: I think, this non-linear control is NOT a good idea in general. And it also doesn't work well with my TP (and perhaps with other laptops). | 12:44 |
| Whoopie | but as I understood, gnome uses percentage, not steps. | 12:45 |
| sladen | Whoopie: the code is in 'gnome-settings-daemon', which is part of the 'gnome-control-center' package; built from the source package 'control-center' | 12:45 |
| Whoopie | sladen: tpb keeps ALSA and thinkpad mixer aligned. but then, you don't have the gnome progressbar. Only this xosd. | 12:51 |
| sladen | Whoopie: what actually should happen is that the volume handling be done at a lower-level than GNOME/KDE so that the volume works anywhere, not just with a GUI. Then to have a separate Heads-Up-Display notifier | 12:54 |
| Whoopie | sladen: that sounds good. | 12:54 |
| sladen | Whoopie: fancy writing up a spec? | 12:55 |
| Whoopie | sladen: never done before. Could you show me an example that I know what is needed to be done? | 01:01 |
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| sladen | Whoopie: first thing would be to start a wiki page under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ and dump all the ideas relating to the issue into that | 01:13 |
| sladen | Whoopie: then from there you can link the idea into the specification tracker | 01:14 |
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| sladen | Whoopie: IIRC tpb actually talks to the OSS mixer | 01:18 |
| Whoopie | sladen: yes, it talks to the OSS mixer, but it also works with ALSA. | 01:19 |
| sladen | Whoopie: grep -ri alsa tpb-* yields zero results | 01:20 |
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| Whoopie | sladen: ok, right. but it works here if I have the alsa oss modules loaded. | 01:22 |
| Whoopie | sladen: snd_mixer_oss | 01:22 |
| sladen | Whoopie: yeah, you'll probably also notice that the thinkpad-keys support in hotkey-setup conflicts with 'tpb' :) | 01:24 |
| sladen | Whoopie: 'tpb' is several years past its sell-by date | 01:24 |
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| Whoopie | sladen: not if you circumvent it. ;) | 01:32 |
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| sladen | Whoopie: if you're needing to install 'tpb', that's a bug, and needs fixing | 01:38 |
| Whoopie | sladen: the bug is gnome's volume handling. with tpb, I get my favored behaviour that hardware and software mixer are in sync. | 01:40 |
| sladen | Whoopie: agreed. that needs making work such it's sensible _without_ tpb | 01:42 |
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| Whoopie | sladen: right. but for edgy, it's impossible now. And bug 39098 was rejected where the TP user asked for a solution. | 01:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 39098 in control-center "thinkpad: volume button weighting" [Medium,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39098 | 01:44 |
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| sladen | Whoopie: I've demangled those bug reports so that the two issues are separate again (bug #39098 vs. bug #45743 ) | 02:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 39098 in control-center "thinkpad: hardware and software audio mixer are not syncronised" [Medium,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39098 | 02:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 45743 in control-center "g-s-d Uneven volume hotkey weighting" [Wishlist,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/45743 | 02:07 |
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| pygi | sivang: whenever you come here, please ping me ^_^ | 02:18 |
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| Kream | i | 02:40 |
| Kream | hi all | 02:40 |
| Kream | i'm hacking on the ubuntu live cd, trying to make my own. I had a query about casper. Specifically, how do I pass an option to it in isolinux.cfg that will allow me to boot to a console on the LiveCDis that OT here ? | 02:41 |
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| simira | Kream: the people who could probably give the best answers are travelling to San Francisco today, and not much online. Try to send an email, or try again here on monday | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | hey simira | 02:44 |
| Kream | simira: thank you. can you tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree ( trying to find the casper docs) ? | 02:44 |
| simira | Kream: I have no idea :) | 02:46 |
| simira | Hobbsee: hi there. Not conference this time either? | 02:46 |
| Kream | well, thanks anyway | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | simira: nope, exams | 02:47 |
| simira | Hobbsee: hoorah | 02:47 |
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| giftnudel | pygi: is there a possibility to get cd information (like nr of tracks, appendable, free space or so) using libburn? | 02:52 |
| pygi | giftnudel: some info is possible to get, yes | 02:53 |
| giftnudel | pygi: as you probably know (or not) I'm working with sivan on hubackup, so I was curious if something like dvd+rw-mediainfo was possible for cds too? | 02:54 |
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| pygi | giftnudel: we won't use libburn for HUB yet :) Time for that will come :) | 02:54 |
| giftnudel | pygi: it displays a lot of very useful information without needing to have to lock the dvd (or unmount it) | 02:55 |
| giftnudel | pygi: so that's why I was curious | 02:55 |
| pygi | giftnudel: most important feature we currently lack is multi-session support ^_^ | 02:55 |
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| Hobbsee | simira: indeed. i'm hoping MV+1 though | 02:56 |
| pygi | giftnudel: you could try using cdrskin --atip (if I'm not mistaken) to see what you can get | 02:56 |
| giftnudel | pygi: yes, I'm just asking if it was possible to do that without needing to unmount the disc | 02:56 |
| giftnudel | because cdrecord needs to unmount it | 02:57 |
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| pygi | but I don't think we unmount disc really | 02:57 |
| giftnudel | pygi: I can't see your /me message, because of a translation bug, could you repeat it without me? :) | 02:57 |
| sivang | hello all :) | 02:57 |
| sivang | good afternoon | 02:57 |
| giftnudel | hi sivang | 02:57 |
| sivang | giftnudel: Hi Martin! | 02:58 |
| pygi | giftnudel: it's nothing important :P | 02:58 |
| pygi | I don't think we unmount the disc when getting info | 02:58 |
| giftnudel | pygi: that's good | 02:58 |
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| sivang | pygi: hi, yoou pinged me , wanna continue on /query ? | 02:58 |
| pygi | sivang: sure, but only if you have time? | 02:59 |
| pygi | giftnudel: right, but note I'm sick so my brain might be half-dead :P | 02:59 |
| sivang | pygi: I have a couple of minutes | 02:59 |
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| pygi | sivang: oh, that won't help much :P | 03:00 |
| giftnudel | pygi: well, if I need to unmount the drive to get the information, I will still make you responsible :) | 03:00 |
| pygi | giftnudel: ergh, we still don't have python bindings available. For that make me responsible :P | 03:00 |
| giftnudel | pygi: ok, will do | 03:01 |
| pygi | giftnudel: if you are familiar with python C api you can help tho :P | 03:02 |
| giftnudel | pygi: well, I know a little bit about how to do such things, but I haven't a) coded much in C, and b) not created python bindings before | 03:02 |
| giftnudel | pygi: oh, and btw, you need rw access to the drive with cdrskin, so I need to unmount it, too | 03:03 |
| pygi | giftnudel: ah, ofcourse you need rw access :P | 03:04 |
| giftnudel | pygi: I would really like to know if that was possible without unmounting it, since you only need to read information from the disc | 03:04 |
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| Kream | i'm hacking on the ubuntu live cd, trying to make my own. In place of the "safe graphics mode" I want a menu option that will not start the gui, but will place me on the console. I know I would have to edit isolinux/isolinux.cfg . is it as simple as appending init=/bin/bash to the boot line? | 05:28 |
| bhale | appending single might be nicer than /bin/bash | 05:29 |
| Kream | i'm cool with that. | 05:29 |
| bhale | worth a try | 05:29 |
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| Kream | can someone take a look at the file http://191a.net/isolinux.cfg and tell me what the default line should be changed to? | 05:31 |
| Kream | bhale ^^ ? | 05:31 |
| Kream | .... ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw single ? | 05:32 |
| Kream | or rather, | 05:32 |
| Kream | .... ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw single -- ? | 05:32 |
| bhale | probably | 05:32 |
| Kream | thanks. | 05:32 |
| bhale | you would have to try it | 05:32 |
| Kream | obviously :) | 05:33 |
| bhale | ive never done this, it jsut seems the correct way :) | 05:33 |
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| Kream | so it does. | 05:35 |
| Kream | and no one here to gainsay it | 05:35 |
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| pygi | sivang: ping :P | 07:30 |
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| zul | hey | 10:18 |
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| dudanogueira | hello there! im recording the klettres sounds for pt-br, and would like to test them. So i want to know where the files are, for making a similar structure and to test my recordings. can anyone help me with this task? | 11:05 |
| dudanogueira | i cant find the klettres files =( | 11:05 |
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| ogra | dudanogueira, i guess #kubuntu-devel is a better channel for that question | 11:06 |
| ogra | (or #kubuntu or whatever they use) | 11:07 |
| dudanogueira | oh, great :) | 11:07 |
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