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[12:15] <grndslm> cjwatson, i created it, linked it to /dev/pilot, changed permissions, and jpilot still won't sync
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[12:16] <grndslm> so, if it's not automagically creating the dev node, and it won't sync....could it be the fault of the visor module?
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[12:18] <cjwatson> yes, very likely it's failing to talk to the hardware somehow
[12:22] <grndslm> so, i should file a bug on launchpad?
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[12:23] <cjwatson> grndslm: yes, on linux-source-2.6.17
[12:23] <grndslm> ok...
[12:23] <Amaranth> arg, no jono
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[12:24] <cjwatson> Burgwork: at the very least it desperately, desperately needs competent review
[12:24] <cjwatson> I found six easily-correctable mistakes in 20 minutes
[12:25] <Burgwork> cjwatson: the people from ubuntuguide just emailed us asking for a merge of projects
[12:27] <mirak> LANG=en sudo apt-get build-dep vdr
[12:28] <mirak> elmo: Build-Depends dependency for vdr cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package linux-kernel-headers can satisfy version requirements
[12:28] <StevenK> Heh
[12:28] <mirak> a really poor job was done on edgy
[12:29] <mirak> linux-kernel-headers doesn't even exist in ubuntu
[12:29] <mirak> apt is a problem for this
[12:29] <mirak> I can't even fix that
[12:30] <imbrandon> mirak, linux-libc-dev == linux headers
[12:30] <imbrandon> in edgy
[12:30] <mirak> imbrandon: ok but the dependance is not good
[12:30] <mirak> in the control file
[12:30] <imbrandon> sure then file a bug on vdr
[12:30] <mirak> how can I fix that ?
[12:30] <cjwatson> mirak: aside from the above, 'en' isn't a valid locale - that should be en_US.UTF-8 or en_GB.UTF-8 or whatever
[12:30] <imbrandon> !info vdr
[12:31] <mirak> cjwatson: it's just so you get the error in english
[12:31] <mirak> otherwise it would be in french ...
[12:31] <mirak> !info vdr
[12:31] <imbrandon> mirak, vdr: Video Disk Recorder for DVB cards. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.4.0-2 (edgy), package size 693 kB, installed size 2108 kB
[12:31] <cjwatson> mirak: bug 65340
[12:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65340 in vdr "[UNMETDEPS]  vdr has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65340
[12:31] <imbrandon> mirmeans its MOTU
[12:32] <cjwatson> mirak: "a really poor job was done on edgy" is absurdly harsh
[12:32] <cjwatson> it's one bug, and easily worked around
[12:32] <tepsipakki> mirak: use the packages from e-tobi.net
[12:32] <mirak> cjwatson: I couldn't even boot edgy !
[12:32] <cjwatson> mirak: the value of LANG needs to be one of the values from the first column of /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
[12:32] <tepsipakki> mirak: the situation _will_ get better for feisty
[12:32] <cjwatson> mirak: 'en' is not a valid locale
[12:32] <cjwatson> mirak: wouldn't you agree that that's totally unconnected to this problem?
[12:33] <mirak> cjwatson:  LANG=sdfsdf sudo apt-get build-dep vdr  
[12:33] <mirak> cjwatson: that still output english, I don't ask more
[12:33] <cjwatson> mirak: if that's all you want, then do 'LANG=C'
[12:33] <mirak> ok
[12:33] <cjwatson> some programs will emit an error or even refuse to start (hi, bzr) when you use an invalid locale
[12:33] <tepsipakki> mirak: packages from e-tobi will be uplodaed to debian soonish, and thus to ubuntu
[12:33] <tepsipakki> uploaded
[12:33] <mirak> tepsipakki: I look at this, thanks
[12:34] <tepsipakki> they install just fine
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[12:35] <tepsipakki> I have an edgy box with two tuners with e-tobi packages..
[12:35] <mirak> do you use softcam ?
[12:35] <mirak> or X output ?
[12:35] <tepsipakki> nope
[12:35] <tepsipakki> ttpci
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[12:36] <mirak> but you can't play divx
[12:37] <tepsipakki> anyway, the packages at e-tobi are maintained by the same people that put the min debian, so they'll be merged in time
[12:37] <tepsipakki> mirak: use the mplayer-plugin, works just fine
[12:37] <mirak> ok
[12:37] <mirak> hem I don't read german
[12:37] <mirak> what rep should I take ?
[12:38] <tepsipakki> unstable
[12:38] <tepsipakki> which really isn't :)
[12:38] <mirak> k
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[12:39] <tepsipakki> deb http://e-tobi.net/vdr-experimental sid vd-multipatch base addons ...
[12:40] <tepsipakki> can't check right now, but that should work
[12:40] <mirak> ok
[12:40] <tepsipakki> multipach is nice.. subtitles and all
[12:40] <tepsipakki> getting a bit offtopic :)
[12:43] <mirak> tepsipakki: whoooho ! there is all the plugins
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[12:49] <mirak> tepsipakki: experimental have to many new packages
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[12:54] <tepsipakki> doesn't matter
[12:54] <tepsipakki> e-tobi experimental, that is
[12:54] <tepsipakki> should install just fine
[12:57] <mirak> vdr-dev still won't install
[12:57] <mirak> if I need to build the plugin softcam I need that
[12:58] <mirak> tepsipakki: and also some addons are broken
[12:58] <tepsipakki> hmm, ok..
[12:58] <tepsipakki> mine is fine
[12:59] <tepsipakki> can't check right now since the box is not on
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[01:03] <tepsipakki> mirak: I'll pass out soon, so try other versions of the repo or something :D ->
[01:07] <StevenK> mpt: Rev 8 of my branch is pushing now - drag-n-drop works, and Kubuntu works as well.
[01:08] <mirak> can you tell me what gives, apt-get build-dep mythtv ?
[01:08] <mirak> this is also broken for me
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[01:26] <cjwatson> apt-get build-dep mythtv> works for me (I didn't try actually doing the installation, but it doesn't complain about conflicts or missing packages or anything)
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[01:51] <imbrandon> mythtv should be fine, i'm the one that did those builds and uploads, everything checked then ( and still seems too , i just checked )
[01:52] <imbrandon> cjwatson, mirak ^
[01:52] <imbrandon> so you might have other issues, or a non ubuntu mythtv
[01:52] <imbrandon> mirak, ^
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[01:53] <mirak> imbrandon: no no
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[02:14] <mpt> StevenK, cool, thanks, I'll look at it on the plane
[02:20] <mirak> apt hell
[02:21] <cjwatson> nixternal: please note my edit to Ubiquity/ReleaseNotes
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[03:31] <nixternal> cjwatson: thanks for pointing that out ;)
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[03:34] <Lubix> hello please help me no one in the mono room is alive
[03:34] <Lubix> does mono ofter visual gui designing?
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[03:35] <_ion> How does that relate to the development of Ubuntu?
[03:35] <Lubix> can you help or no?
[03:36] <Lubix> the mono thread is dead im trying to figure something out
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[03:39] <_ion> I would propose changing the topic from "Ubuntu Development" to "Development of Ubuntu", but the ones who should read it don't read it anyway. :-)
[03:40] <Lubix> listen i know its not the approved forum dude i just want a question answered and i cant find it else where
[03:41] <tfheen> Lubix: you might want to take a look at monodevelop
[03:41] <Lubix> i did i just want to know how to get the visual designer mode open in mono
[03:42] <Lubix> please
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=== Amaranth need jono
[04:40] <Amaranth> he will be in san fran tomorrow, right?
[04:41] <Burgundavia> likely
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[04:43] <Amaranth> ajmitch: ping?
[04:44] <Burgundavia> likely already in transit
[04:44] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: what do you need?
[04:45] <Amaranth> wanted to know what hotel he was staying at
[04:49] <Lure> Amaranth: wild palms sunnyvale
[04:53] <Amaranth> Lure: ajmitch is staying somewhere else
[04:53] <Burgundavia> ajmitch is staying with whiprush
[04:53] <Lure> Amaranth: sorry, I though you meant jono...
[04:53] <Amaranth> was looking for jono because i think he is the only one that will be there tomorrow :)
[04:54] <Amaranth> i'll just have to get on IRC when i get there and see if someone else is there already :)
[05:01] <imbrandon> Amaranth, i'll be there
[05:01] <imbrandon> Amaranth, i leave in about 4 hours
[05:01] <imbrandon> y?
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[05:01] <Amaranth> well, my plane doesn't land there until 11pm tomorrow
[05:02] <Amaranth> i was mostly looking for a ride on sunday :)
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[10:24] <ivoks> raphink: hi
[10:24] <raphink> hi ivoks :)
[10:24] <raphink> how areyou?
[10:25] <ivoks> great, you?
[10:25] <ivoks> i've signed your key :)
[10:25] <raphink> I'm good :)
[10:25] <raphink> oh ok :)
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[10:28] <raphink> ivoks: how was your trip?
[10:30] <ivoks> raphink: heh, we were at train station hour and half earlier than planned
[10:30] <raphink> hehe
[10:30] <ivoks> raphink: but trip was ok, we were sleeping most of it :)
[10:30] <raphink> :)
[10:30] <raphink> I almost missed my plane
[10:30] <ivoks> hehe
[10:31] <raphink> because I remembered I had to go to the end of the metra line
[10:31] <raphink> but I took the wrong one
[10:31] <raphink> lol
[10:31] <ivoks> lol
[10:31] <raphink> so when I got to the end of M2, I was searching for the bug
[10:31] <raphink> bus
[10:31] <raphink> and couldn't find it
[10:31] <raphink> so I went to see people
[10:31] <ivoks> lol
[10:31] <raphink> and tried my best to ask 
[10:31] <raphink> I was like
[10:31] <raphink> errr Feriegy... bus Feriegyken
[10:32] <raphink> hmm plane ...
[10:32] <raphink> and obviously no one understood me
[10:32] <ivoks> i think they would understand 'avion'
[10:32] <raphink> eventually I had to go back to the center
[10:32] <raphink> and take the other metro
[10:32] <raphink> but that was fine cause I was still on time :)
[10:32] <raphink> ivoks: did you see my pics?
[10:33] <ivoks> raphink: no
[10:33] <ivoks> i still didn't montage my film :/
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[10:35] <pygi> morning
[10:36] <ivoks> hey pygi 
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[11:39] <pygi> sivang: ping?
[11:42] <zyga> can anyone with intel based laptop (around pentium iii age) confirm that cpu scaling is not working?
[11:47] <pygi> zyga: uh, no Pentium III here
[11:47] <zyga> hmm
[11:47] <zyga> what's up pygi :-)
[11:47] <zyga> I haven't been here a while
[11:48] <pygi> zyga: not much, hacking the libburn thingy and being sick :P
[11:48] <pygi> what about you?
[11:49] <zyga> hacking my private code, being sick and waiting for our baby :-)
[11:49] <pygi> o joy ^_^
[11:49] <zyga> I was looking at targeting a small spec to implement in the holiday
[11:49] <pygi> zyga: implement multi session in libburn/libisofs :)
[11:50] <zyga> link please?
[11:50] <pygi> zyga: http://libburn.pykix.org
[11:50] <pygi> it's not small anyway, I'm just joking ^_^
[11:51] <zyga> ah
[11:51] <zyga> I need something small to make it realistic :-)
[11:51] <pygi> it requires quite a lot of work actually =)
[11:52] <pygi> Hm, you familiar with python C api? :P
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[11:53] <zyga> virtually no
[11:53] <zyga> I saw quite a lot of code but never wrote any
[11:54] <pygi> aha :P
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[12:00] <pygi> zyga: SO just say in what are you interested ^_^
[12:03] <zyga> hmm, python 
[12:03] <zyga> desktop integration 
[12:03] <zyga> or new language integration
[12:04] <zyga> or command line C tools
[12:04] <zyga> that's what I really like
[12:04] <pygi> zyga: what about working on genisofs? :P
[12:04] <zyga> what is it?
[12:05] <pygi> zyga: mkisofs compatibility layer
[12:05] <pygi> zyga: http://libburn.pykix.org/wiki/GenIsoFs
[12:05] <zyga> ah, like generate iso filesystem
[12:05] <zyga> lots of lots of options
[12:05] <pygi> the library does that for you actually :P
[12:05] <pygi> indeed :P
[12:06] <zyga> is it vaporware?
[12:06] <pygi> what is vaporware? !
[12:06] <zyga> well ... it it implemented yet?
[12:06] <pygi> genisofs is just an idea
[12:06] <pygi> the library is working
[12:06] <zyga> right - so it's vaporware (vapor - ware) :-)
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[12:07] <zyga> if you want help with that do tell me more
[12:07] <pygi> nothing is vaporware ^_^
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[12:21] <Whoopie> sladen: Hi, as hotkey-setup maintainer, do you know where Gnome sets the audio volume (in which source)? Is it possible to change its behaviour so that the up/down steps are constant and in steps from 0 till 14.
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[12:38] <sladen> Whoopie: if you file a bug report that the steps are not even, and that this is the most stupid idea ever invented, I would be MORE than happy to fix that bug permanently and with great avengance, for the that feature is a great unjust
[12:39] <Treenaks> logarithmic volume controls!
[12:40] <sladen> Treenaks: logarithmic would have sense, non-linear *soooo* does not
[12:41] <Whoopie> for my thinkpad (which has a hardware mixer), even steps are needed so that software and hardware mixer are in sync.
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[12:42] <sladen> Whoopie: (shhh, that's actually a separate issue.  But yes, before the asymetric volume movement was introduced, that worked a little better
[12:43] <sladen> Whoopie: long term plan to 'fix' the issue would be a tiny daemon that keeps the ALSA and ThinkPad mixers aligned
[12:44] <sladen> Whoopie: Apple choose 16 steps, IBM 14 steps.  Whereas the gnome volume now has (a) too many steps in one direction (b) too few steps in the other direction
[12:44] <Whoopie> sladen: I think, this non-linear control is NOT a good idea in general. And it also doesn't work well with my TP (and perhaps with other laptops).
[12:45] <Whoopie> but as I understood, gnome uses percentage, not steps.
[12:45] <sladen> Whoopie: the code is in 'gnome-settings-daemon', which is part of the 'gnome-control-center' package; built from the source package 'control-center'
[12:51] <Whoopie> sladen: tpb keeps ALSA and thinkpad mixer aligned. but then, you don't have the gnome progressbar. Only this xosd.
[12:54] <sladen> Whoopie: what actually should happen is that the volume handling be done at a lower-level than GNOME/KDE so that the volume works anywhere, not just with a GUI.  Then to have a separate Heads-Up-Display notifier
[12:54] <Whoopie> sladen: that sounds good.
[12:55] <sladen> Whoopie: fancy writing up a spec?
[01:01] <Whoopie> sladen: never done before. Could you show me an example that I know what is needed to be done?
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[01:13] <sladen> Whoopie: first thing would be to start a wiki page under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ and dump all the ideas relating to the issue into that
[01:14] <sladen> Whoopie: then from there you can link the idea into the specification tracker
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[01:18] <sladen> Whoopie: IIRC tpb actually talks to the OSS mixer
[01:19] <Whoopie> sladen: yes, it talks to the OSS mixer, but it also works with ALSA.
[01:20] <sladen> Whoopie: grep -ri alsa tpb-*    yields zero results
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[01:22] <Whoopie> sladen: ok, right. but it works here if I have the alsa oss modules loaded.
[01:22] <Whoopie> sladen: snd_mixer_oss
[01:24] <sladen> Whoopie: yeah, you'll probably also notice that the thinkpad-keys support in hotkey-setup conflicts with 'tpb' :)
[01:24] <sladen> Whoopie: 'tpb' is several years past its sell-by date
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[01:32] <Whoopie> sladen: not if you circumvent it. ;)
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[01:38] <sladen> Whoopie: if you're needing to install 'tpb', that's a bug, and needs fixing
[01:40] <Whoopie> sladen: the bug is gnome's volume handling. with tpb, I get my favored behaviour that hardware and software mixer are in sync.
[01:42] <sladen> Whoopie: agreed.  that needs making work such it's sensible _without_ tpb
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[01:44] <Whoopie> sladen: right. but for edgy, it's impossible now. And bug 39098 was rejected where the TP user asked for a solution.
[01:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39098 in control-center "thinkpad: volume button weighting" [Medium,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39098
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[02:07] <sladen> Whoopie: I've demangled those bug reports so that the two issues are separate again (bug #39098 vs. bug #45743 )
[02:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39098 in control-center "thinkpad: hardware and software audio mixer are not syncronised" [Medium,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39098
[02:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45743 in control-center "g-s-d Uneven volume hotkey weighting" [Wishlist,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45743
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[02:18] <pygi> sivang: whenever you come here, please ping me ^_^
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[02:40] <Kream> i
[02:40] <Kream> hi all 
[02:41] <Kream> i'm hacking on the ubuntu live cd, trying to make my own. I had a query about casper. Specifically, how do I pass an option to it in isolinux.cfg that will allow me to boot to a console on the LiveCDis that OT here ?
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[02:43] <simira> Kream: the people who could probably give the best answers are travelling to San Francisco today, and not much online. Try to send an email, or try again here on monday
[02:44] <Hobbsee> hey simira 
[02:44] <Kream> simira:  thank you. can you tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree ( trying to find the casper docs) ?
[02:46] <simira> Kream: I have no idea :)
[02:46] <simira> Hobbsee: hi there. Not conference this time either?
[02:46] <Kream> well, thanks anyway
[02:47] <Hobbsee> simira: nope, exams
[02:47] <simira> Hobbsee: hoorah
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[02:52] <giftnudel> pygi: is there a possibility to get cd information (like nr of tracks, appendable, free space or so) using libburn?
[02:53] <pygi> giftnudel: some info is possible to get, yes
[02:54] <giftnudel> pygi: as you probably know (or not) I'm working with sivan on hubackup, so I was curious if something like dvd+rw-mediainfo was possible for cds too?
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[02:54] <pygi> giftnudel: we won't use libburn for HUB yet :) Time for that will come :)
[02:55] <giftnudel> pygi: it displays a lot of very useful information without needing to have to lock the dvd (or unmount it)
[02:55] <giftnudel> pygi: so that's why I was curious
[02:55] <pygi> giftnudel: most important feature we currently lack is multi-session support ^_^
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[02:56] <Hobbsee> simira: indeed.  i'm hoping MV+1 though
[02:56] <pygi> giftnudel: you could try using cdrskin --atip (if I'm not mistaken) to see what you can get
[02:56] <giftnudel> pygi: yes, I'm just asking if it was possible to do that without needing to unmount the disc
[02:57] <giftnudel> because cdrecord needs to unmount it
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[02:57] <pygi> but I don't think we unmount disc really
[02:57] <giftnudel> pygi: I can't see your /me message, because of a translation bug, could you repeat it without me? :)
[02:57] <sivang> hello all :)
[02:57] <sivang> good afternoon
[02:57] <giftnudel> hi sivang
[02:58] <sivang> giftnudel: Hi Martin!
[02:58] <pygi> giftnudel: it's nothing important :P
[02:58] <pygi> I don't think we unmount the disc when getting info
[02:58] <giftnudel> pygi: that's good
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[02:58] <sivang> pygi: hi, yoou pinged me , wanna continue on /query ?
[02:59] <pygi> sivang: sure, but only if you have time? 
[02:59] <pygi> giftnudel: right, but note I'm sick so my brain might be half-dead :P
[02:59] <sivang> pygi: I have a couple of minutes
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[03:00] <pygi> sivang: oh, that won't help much :P
[03:00] <giftnudel> pygi: well, if I need to unmount the drive to get the information, I will still make you responsible :)
[03:00] <pygi> giftnudel: ergh, we still don't have python bindings available. For that make me responsible :P
[03:01] <giftnudel> pygi: ok, will do
[03:02] <pygi> giftnudel: if you are familiar with python C api you can help tho :P
[03:02] <giftnudel> pygi: well, I know a little bit about how to do such things, but I haven't a) coded much in C, and b) not created python bindings before
[03:03] <giftnudel> pygi: oh, and btw, you need rw access to the drive with cdrskin, so I need to unmount it, too
[03:04] <pygi> giftnudel: ah, ofcourse you need rw access :P
[03:04] <giftnudel> pygi: I would really like to know if that was possible without unmounting it, since you only need to read information from the disc
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[05:28] <Kream> i'm hacking on the ubuntu live cd, trying to make my own. In place of the "safe graphics mode" I want a menu option that will not start the gui, but will place me on the console. I know I would have to edit isolinux/isolinux.cfg . is it as simple as appending init=/bin/bash to the boot line?
[05:29] <bhale> appending single might be nicer than /bin/bash
[05:29] <Kream> i'm cool with that.
[05:29] <bhale> worth a try
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[05:31] <Kream> can someone take a look at the file http://191a.net/isolinux.cfg and tell me what the default line should be changed to?
[05:31] <Kream> bhale ^^ ?
[05:32] <Kream> .... ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw single ?
[05:32] <Kream> or rather, 
[05:32] <Kream> .... ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw single -- ?
[05:32] <bhale> probably
[05:32] <Kream> thanks.
[05:32] <bhale> you would have to try it
[05:33] <Kream> obviously :)
[05:33] <bhale> ive never done this, it jsut seems the correct way :)
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[05:35] <Kream> so it does. 
[05:35] <Kream> and no one here to gainsay it 
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[07:30] <pygi> sivang: ping :P
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[10:18] <zul> hey
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[11:05] <dudanogueira> hello there! im recording the klettres sounds for pt-br, and would like to test them. So i want to know where the files are, for making a similar structure and to test my recordings. can anyone help me with this task?
[11:05] <dudanogueira> i cant find the klettres files =(
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[11:06] <ogra> dudanogueira, i guess #kubuntu-devel is a better channel for that question
[11:07] <ogra> (or #kubuntu or whatever they use)
[11:07] <dudanogueira> oh, great :)
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