| Burgwork | SimonAnibal: not really on a friday afternoon | 12:07 |
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| SimonAnibal | heh | 12:07 |
| Burgwork | thoughts? | 12:09 |
| SimonAnibal | yes | 12:16 |
| SimonAnibal | sorry, in irl conversation at the same time | 12:16 |
| SimonAnibal | Burgwork: still alive? | 12:18 |
| Burgwork | somewaht | 12:18 |
| Burgwork | less every minute | 12:18 |
| SimonAnibal | I see | 12:19 |
| SimonAnibal | So, my thoughts on the development of ubuntu-directory is as follows | 12:19 |
| SimonAnibal | Novell is now position to proclaim that it's easy to integrate NLD into existing Microsoft Networks | 12:19 |
| SimonAnibal | I know that's going to be a HUGE success for them in the U.S. market | 12:20 |
| Burgwork | yep | 12:20 |
| Burgwork | until MS sues somebody | 12:20 |
| SimonAnibal | right, anyhow | 12:20 |
| SimonAnibal | I'm expecting my own IS people | 12:20 |
| SimonAnibal | to strongarm me into switching to Novell | 12:21 |
| Burgwork | so need a backup | 12:21 |
| Burgwork | so you need, rather | 12:21 |
| Burgwork | here is the skiny | 12:21 |
| SimonAnibal | One way I can fend them off, is to get my Ubuntu workstations integrated somehow | 12:21 |
| Burgwork | oliver grawert of Edubuntu is pushed hard for something for feisty | 12:21 |
| Burgwork | you can do it know, it is just a pain | 12:21 |
| SimonAnibal | Ok, and I can tell you the MOST IMPORTANT part, strategically | 12:21 |
| SimonAnibal | is to get something that can connecting workstations to an existing microsoft network | 12:22 |
| SimonAnibal | I don't mind the pain | 12:22 |
| Burgwork | ok, that is more serious pain | 12:22 |
| SimonAnibal | You can help me by writing a simple howto, and I can flesh it out with real life experience | 12:22 |
| Burgwork | ajmitch is bringing the new version of samba3, which can apparently do | 12:22 |
| SimonAnibal | You I mean the team | 12:22 |
| Burgwork | right | 12:22 |
| SimonAnibal | With my real life experience, and the team's expertise, do you think we can get SOMETHING together by Feisty | 12:23 |
| Burgwork | yes, because orga is going to have something | 12:23 |
| SimonAnibal | Alright, I've done afew things by reading howtos | 12:24 |
| SimonAnibal | but they don't really explain the whys and such, so when I had questions, I was screwed | 12:24 |
| SimonAnibal | e.g. I've gotten the workstations to authenticate off the AD server using kerberos | 12:24 |
| SimonAnibal | But if I signed in that way I had no sound | 12:24 |
| Burgwork | ah, that is easy | 12:25 |
| Burgwork | that is due to group permissions | 12:25 |
| SimonAnibal | Later I learned from Jorge that I was maybe supposed to autheticate using LDAP instead? | 12:25 |
| Burgwork | AD is LDAP | 12:25 |
| SimonAnibal | Ok, so these are the sorts of things I don't know, and I feel if I keep bumbling through this I'm going to create a bad system | 12:25 |
| Burgwork | yep | 12:26 |
| SimonAnibal | With the team's expertise, we can create a good system, and even if it's quick and dirty, I can set it up and get something running | 12:26 |
| SimonAnibal | I can be your guinea pig | 12:26 |
| SimonAnibal | And let you know where the rough spots are that really need work | 12:26 |
| Burgwork | I am already a guinea pig, but for a fully ubuntu system | 12:26 |
| SimonAnibal | Yeah, see, I'm in an otherwise homogenous MS system | 12:27 |
| SimonAnibal | and I'm your target customer for Fesity | 12:27 |
| SimonAnibal | Feisty | 12:27 |
| SimonAnibal | If Ubuntu can deliver that interoperability, then we can keep Novell from kicking us out of U.S. Enterprise settings | 12:27 |
| Burgwork | you are also a school, so talk to Edubuntu | 12:27 |
| SimonAnibal | I'm in ubuntu-education | 12:28 |
| Burgwork | ogra in particular | 12:28 |
| Burgwork | #edubuntu | 12:28 |
| SimonAnibal | edubuntu is only concerned with LTSP as far as I can tell | 12:28 |
| SimonAnibal | I've been on th edubuntu mailing list since last school year | 12:28 |
| Burgwork | until now, yes | 12:28 |
| SimonAnibal | Well, I understand big changes are underway | 12:29 |
| Burgwork | ogra has ignored the auth stuff, but that is a major target for feisty | 12:29 |
| Burgwork | ogra has ignored the auth stuff because somebody else always said they were going to do it | 12:29 |
| SimonAnibal | I'm working closely with Richard Weideman in the "Ubuntu and Education" community, but I'll talk to ogra and see how we can get this done | 12:30 |
| Burgwork | cool | 12:30 |
| Burgwork | you are going to make a great poster child for Ubuntu in schools | 12:31 |
| SimonAnibal | As far as I can tell you, this piece is NOT education specific | 12:31 |
| SimonAnibal | which is why I joined this Launchpad team | 12:31 |
| SimonAnibal | Hah, if I can keep from being made to use Novell, I'll do my best | 12:31 |
| SimonAnibal | is ogra Oliver Grawert? | 12:32 |
| Burgwork | yes | 12:32 |
| Burgwork | I have FC at work and that is what our product is based off of | 12:32 |
| SimonAnibal | Ok, I've interacted with him on the edubuntu mailing list | 12:32 |
| SimonAnibal | He hasn't been speaking on there about the auth piece | 12:32 |
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| Burgwork | whiprush: you around? | 01:36 |
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| bmonty | does anyone have ssh kerberos authentication working? | 04:00 |
| Burgundavia | bmonty: whiprush does | 04:04 |
| bmonty | Burgundavia: just to make sure, the default openssh-server package does not do kerberos, correct? | 04:16 |
| Burgundavia | no idae | 04:16 |
| nkassi_ | Hey | 04:36 |
| bmonty | got it working, you just have to add GSSAPIAuthentication yes to sshd_config | 04:57 |
| robertj_ | I wonder why that is off by default | 05:15 |
| bmonty | speed up the logon maybe? | 05:25 |
| bmonty | it won't have to try and fail the GSSAPI method | 05:25 |
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| nkassi_ | Yike I hadn't seen this quote from ballmer today: "You get no covenant not to sue if you chose Oracle" | 06:09 |
| nkassi_ | Ugly | 06:09 |
| Burgundavia | nkassi_: linky? | 06:09 |
| nkassi_ | printed article in NY Times | 06:10 |
| nkassi_ | It might be online let me check | 06:10 |
| nkassi_ | http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061103/ZNYT01/611030352/1001/BUSINESS | 06:12 |
| nkassi_ | reprint | 06:12 |
| nkassi_ | I wonder if they will attack the little guy or go after people like Google and IBM ? That is what killed sco. To much to chew | 06:25 |
| nkassi_ | actually Google+IBM's market cap = Microsoft's. Estimating that IBM probably has patent on a lot of Microsoft's stuff this is FUD | 06:27 |
| whiprush | Burgundavia: yeah | 06:40 |
| nkassi_ | On the client side will Evolution be automatically set to use the contacts from the ldap server ? | 06:51 |
| nkassi_ | or should it ? | 06:52 |
| Burgundavia | evo needs some "autoconfig" love | 07:05 |
| Fujitsu | I think Evo needs to be attacked with something... fatally perhaps? | 07:09 |
| Fujitsu | I think it has gone down-hill recently :( | 07:10 |
| nkassi_ | hehe, So I guess this is work. I would love to use thunderbird but the calendar is not really an option yet | 07:10 |
| Burgundavia | no, I don't think it has | 07:10 |
| Fujitsu | Sunbird isn't too bad. | 07:10 |
| Burgundavia | not GNOME | 07:10 |
| Burgundavia | doesn't integrate tightly | 07:10 |
| nkassi_ | Sad that it ends up being that way ;0) | 07:11 |
| Fujitsu | True, but it does work better in some ways. | 07:11 |
| nkassi_ | I agree (except dont | 07:11 |
| Burgundavia | it is because Mozilla doesn't give a damn about Linux | 07:11 |
| nkassi_ | 'try to read a folder with 13000 email while downloading email) | 07:11 |
| nkassi_ | just discovered that bug | 07:12 |
| Burgundavia | evo got lost in the shuffle at Novell | 07:13 |
| nkassi_ | Burgundavia: What are the type of issues between gnome and thunderbird ? | 07:13 |
| Burgundavia | and the current evo team has the challenge of being on the wrong side of the world | 07:13 |
| Burgundavia | nkassi_: more that moz doesn't spend much effort integrating into Linux | 07:13 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, rh is looking to expand their ds team | 07:33 |
| Burgundavia | http://redhat.hrdpt.com/cgi-bin/a/highlightjob.cgi?jobid=633 | 07:33 |
| nkassi_ | interesting. Know any good Ubuntu dev that could be used to infiltrate RH and help the Ubuntu domination ;0) | 07:37 |
| Burgundavia | right | 07:38 |
| Burgundavia | rh is not evil | 07:38 |
| Burgundavia | in so far as a corp is not evi | 07:38 |
| nkassi_ | Nope but installing FDS on edgy is hard. That dude/dudette could make it easier (I'm just kidding by the way) | 07:39 |
| Burgundavia | they are working on that | 07:39 |
| nkassi_ | cool | 07:39 |
| Burgundavia | remember, FDS lived for many years as a closed source app | 07:41 |
| Burgundavia | worse, it moved from company to company | 07:41 |
| nkassi_ | yeah. | 07:41 |
| nkassi_ | Spagethi code | 07:41 |
| Burgundavia | X is somewhat similar | 07:41 |
| nkassi_ | who wrote the X code originally ? | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia | lots of people | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia | Sun, ATT, IBM, etc. | 07:42 |
| nkassi_ | True, the story is somewhat comming back | 07:43 |
| nkassi_ | but it always was somewhat open | 07:43 |
| Burgundavia | yes it always has been | 07:43 |
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| bmonty | nice, there is a new version of pam-krb5 out | 04:03 |
| bmonty | does anyone here have evolution pulling addresses out of their LDAP server? | 04:20 |
| robertj_ | bmonty: I did at one time | 04:51 |
| bmonty | robertj_: any chance you have it working with the evolution in edgy? | 05:02 |
| robertj_ | bmonty: nope | 05:02 |
| robertj_ | this was like breezy maybe? | 05:02 |
| bmonty | I've been trying to get it to work on evolution 2.8.1 with no luck | 05:03 |
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| robertj_ | I can't even fight the right dialog | 05:11 |
| robertj_ | where did it get moved to? | 05:12 |
| bmonty | click on "Contacts" and then right click in the left pane and select "New Address Book" | 05:35 |
| bmonty | change type to "On LDAP Server" | 05:35 |
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| robertj_ | bmonty: hrmm, doesn't seem to be asking me for my password | 06:29 |
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| robertj_ | bmonty: I give up too | 06:38 |
| bmonty | robertj_: thanks for trying...I think that part of evolution is broken...even though they claim to support LDAP addressbooks | 07:03 |
| robertj_ | bmonty: if you have a test installation you might try running slapd interactively so you can see what query it is sending | 07:12 |
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| bmonty | robertj: I can sniff the traffic and see results coming back from the server, but evolution doesn't display them | 07:50 |
| robertj | bmonty: maybe it requirse inetorg persons? | 07:50 |
| bmonty | they are inetOrgPerson | 07:50 |
| bmonty | I've heard there is an evolution LDAP schema, but I can't find it anywhere | 07:51 |
| robertj | bmonty: I dunno, I can't even figure out why I can't log in on a fresh slapd install as cn=admin,dc=localdomain | 07:51 |
| bmonty | and it isn't in the source distribution either | 07:51 |
| bmonty | well I found the schema in the evolution-data-server package | 08:16 |
| robertj | surely it can't require a custom schema though | 08:29 |
| bmonty | it appears that it does | 08:40 |
| robertj | and without it evo will return no results? | 08:46 |
| bmonty | from a quick look at the source code if a doesn't have an objectClass of evolutionPerson then it doesn't get displayed | 08:52 |
| bmonty | a result that is | 08:52 |
| bmonty | but I added that objectClass to an entry plus a few of the attributes from the schema and it still isn't displayed | 08:53 |
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| bmonty | ajmitch: have you ever had any luck getting evolution to use LDAP for the addressbook? | 11:37 |
| ajmitch | nope, haven't tried | 11:39 |
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