[12:07] SimonAnibal: not really on a friday afternoon [12:07] heh [12:09] thoughts? [12:16] yes [12:16] sorry, in irl conversation at the same time [12:18] Burgwork: still alive? [12:18] somewaht [12:18] less every minute [12:19] I see [12:19] So, my thoughts on the development of ubuntu-directory is as follows [12:19] Novell is now position to proclaim that it's easy to integrate NLD into existing Microsoft Networks [12:20] I know that's going to be a HUGE success for them in the U.S. market [12:20] yep [12:20] until MS sues somebody [12:20] right, anyhow [12:20] I'm expecting my own IS people [12:21] to strongarm me into switching to Novell [12:21] so need a backup [12:21] so you need, rather [12:21] here is the skiny [12:21] One way I can fend them off, is to get my Ubuntu workstations integrated somehow [12:21] oliver grawert of Edubuntu is pushed hard for something for feisty [12:21] you can do it know, it is just a pain [12:21] Ok, and I can tell you the MOST IMPORTANT part, strategically [12:22] is to get something that can connecting workstations to an existing microsoft network [12:22] I don't mind the pain [12:22] ok, that is more serious pain [12:22] You can help me by writing a simple howto, and I can flesh it out with real life experience [12:22] ajmitch is bringing the new version of samba3, which can apparently do [12:22] You I mean the team [12:22] right [12:23] With my real life experience, and the team's expertise, do you think we can get SOMETHING together by Feisty [12:23] yes, because orga is going to have something [12:24] Alright, I've done afew things by reading howtos [12:24] but they don't really explain the whys and such, so when I had questions, I was screwed [12:24] e.g. I've gotten the workstations to authenticate off the AD server using kerberos [12:24] But if I signed in that way I had no sound [12:25] ah, that is easy [12:25] that is due to group permissions [12:25] Later I learned from Jorge that I was maybe supposed to autheticate using LDAP instead? [12:25] AD is LDAP [12:25] Ok, so these are the sorts of things I don't know, and I feel if I keep bumbling through this I'm going to create a bad system [12:26] yep [12:26] With the team's expertise, we can create a good system, and even if it's quick and dirty, I can set it up and get something running [12:26] I can be your guinea pig [12:26] And let you know where the rough spots are that really need work [12:26] I am already a guinea pig, but for a fully ubuntu system [12:27] Yeah, see, I'm in an otherwise homogenous MS system [12:27] and I'm your target customer for Fesity [12:27] Feisty [12:27] If Ubuntu can deliver that interoperability, then we can keep Novell from kicking us out of U.S. Enterprise settings [12:27] you are also a school, so talk to Edubuntu [12:28] I'm in ubuntu-education [12:28] ogra in particular [12:28] #edubuntu [12:28] edubuntu is only concerned with LTSP as far as I can tell [12:28] I've been on th edubuntu mailing list since last school year [12:28] until now, yes [12:29] Well, I understand big changes are underway [12:29] ogra has ignored the auth stuff, but that is a major target for feisty [12:29] ogra has ignored the auth stuff because somebody else always said they were going to do it [12:30] I'm working closely with Richard Weideman in the "Ubuntu and Education" community, but I'll talk to ogra and see how we can get this done [12:30] cool [12:31] you are going to make a great poster child for Ubuntu in schools [12:31] As far as I can tell you, this piece is NOT education specific [12:31] which is why I joined this Launchpad team [12:31] Hah, if I can keep from being made to use Novell, I'll do my best [12:32] is ogra Oliver Grawert? [12:32] yes [12:32] I have FC at work and that is what our product is based off of [12:32] Ok, I've interacted with him on the edubuntu mailing list [12:32] He hasn't been speaking on there about the auth piece === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@adsl-68-251-147-250.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@adsl-68-251-147-250.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@adsl-68-251-147-250.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory [01:36] whiprush: you around? === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@adsl-68-251-147-250.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@adsl-68-251-147-250.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory === lophyte [n=dsulliva@bas5-toronto63-1096731182.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-directory === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-directory [04:00] does anyone have ssh kerberos authentication working? [04:04] bmonty: whiprush does [04:16] Burgundavia: just to make sure, the default openssh-server package does not do kerberos, correct? [04:16] no idae [04:36] Hey [04:57] got it working, you just have to add GSSAPIAuthentication yes to sshd_config [05:15] I wonder why that is off by default [05:25] speed up the logon maybe? [05:25] it won't have to try and fail the GSSAPI method === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-directory [06:09] Yike I hadn't seen this quote from ballmer today: "You get no covenant not to sue if you chose Oracle" [06:09] Ugly [06:09] nkassi_: linky? [06:10] printed article in NY Times [06:10] It might be online let me check [06:12] http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061103/ZNYT01/611030352/1001/BUSINESS [06:12] reprint [06:25] I wonder if they will attack the little guy or go after people like Google and IBM ? That is what killed sco. To much to chew [06:27] actually Google+IBM's market cap = Microsoft's. Estimating that IBM probably has patent on a lot of Microsoft's stuff this is FUD [06:40] Burgundavia: yeah [06:51] On the client side will Evolution be automatically set to use the contacts from the ldap server ? [06:52] or should it ? [07:05] evo needs some "autoconfig" love [07:09] I think Evo needs to be attacked with something... fatally perhaps? [07:10] I think it has gone down-hill recently :( [07:10] hehe, So I guess this is work. I would love to use thunderbird but the calendar is not really an option yet [07:10] no, I don't think it has [07:10] Sunbird isn't too bad. [07:10] not GNOME [07:10] doesn't integrate tightly [07:11] Sad that it ends up being that way ;0) [07:11] True, but it does work better in some ways. [07:11] I agree (except dont [07:11] it is because Mozilla doesn't give a damn about Linux [07:11] 'try to read a folder with 13000 email while downloading email) [07:12] just discovered that bug [07:13] evo got lost in the shuffle at Novell [07:13] Burgundavia: What are the type of issues between gnome and thunderbird ? [07:13] and the current evo team has the challenge of being on the wrong side of the world [07:13] nkassi_: more that moz doesn't spend much effort integrating into Linux [07:33] hmm, rh is looking to expand their ds team [07:33] http://redhat.hrdpt.com/cgi-bin/a/highlightjob.cgi?jobid=633 [07:37] interesting. Know any good Ubuntu dev that could be used to infiltrate RH and help the Ubuntu domination ;0) [07:38] right [07:38] rh is not evil [07:38] in so far as a corp is not evi [07:39] Nope but installing FDS on edgy is hard. That dude/dudette could make it easier (I'm just kidding by the way) [07:39] they are working on that [07:39] cool [07:41] remember, FDS lived for many years as a closed source app [07:41] worse, it moved from company to company [07:41] yeah. [07:41] Spagethi code [07:41] X is somewhat similar [07:42] who wrote the X code originally ? [07:42] lots of people [07:42] Sun, ATT, IBM, etc. [07:43] True, the story is somewhat comming back [07:43] but it always was somewhat open [07:43] yes it always has been === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-directory [02:29] about to leave for airport === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-directory [04:03] nice, there is a new version of pam-krb5 out [04:20] does anyone here have evolution pulling addresses out of their LDAP server? [04:51] bmonty: I did at one time [05:02] robertj_: any chance you have it working with the evolution in edgy? [05:02] bmonty: nope [05:02] this was like breezy maybe? [05:03] I've been trying to get it to work on evolution 2.8.1 with no luck === robertj_ goes & tries now [05:11] I can't even fight the right dialog [05:12] where did it get moved to? [05:35] click on "Contacts" and then right click in the left pane and select "New Address Book" [05:35] change type to "On LDAP Server" === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@adsl-68-251-147-250.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory [06:29] bmonty: hrmm, doesn't seem to be asking me for my password === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@adsl-68-251-147-250.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory [06:38] bmonty: I give up too [07:03] robertj_: thanks for trying...I think that part of evolution is broken...even though they claim to support LDAP addressbooks [07:12] bmonty: if you have a test installation you might try running slapd interactively so you can see what query it is sending === lophyte [n=dsulliva@bas5-toronto63-1096731182.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-directory === robertj [n=robertj@68-117-223-205.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-directory === robertj [n=robertj@68-117-223-205.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-directory [07:50] robertj: I can sniff the traffic and see results coming back from the server, but evolution doesn't display them [07:50] bmonty: maybe it requirse inetorg persons? [07:50] they are inetOrgPerson [07:51] I've heard there is an evolution LDAP schema, but I can't find it anywhere [07:51] bmonty: I dunno, I can't even figure out why I can't log in on a fresh slapd install as cn=admin,dc=localdomain [07:51] and it isn't in the source distribution either [08:16] well I found the schema in the evolution-data-server package [08:29] surely it can't require a custom schema though [08:40] it appears that it does [08:46] and without it evo will return no results? [08:52] from a quick look at the source code if a doesn't have an objectClass of evolutionPerson then it doesn't get displayed [08:52] a result that is [08:53] but I added that objectClass to an entry plus a few of the attributes from the schema and it still isn't displayed === robertj_ [n=robertj@66-190-95-209.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-directory === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-directory === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory === nkassi_ [n=nkassi@WK20-156.lewisweb.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory === nkassi_ [n=nkassi@WK20-156.lewisweb.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory [11:37] ajmitch: have you ever had any luck getting evolution to use LDAP for the addressbook? [11:39] nope, haven't tried