[12:07] <Burgwork> SimonAnibal: not really on a friday afternoon
[12:07] <SimonAnibal> heh
[12:09] <Burgwork> thoughts?
[12:16] <SimonAnibal> yes
[12:16] <SimonAnibal> sorry, in irl conversation at the same time
[12:18] <SimonAnibal> Burgwork: still alive?
[12:18] <Burgwork> somewaht
[12:18] <Burgwork> less every minute
[12:19] <SimonAnibal> I see
[12:19] <SimonAnibal> So, my thoughts on the development of ubuntu-directory is as follows
[12:19] <SimonAnibal> Novell is now position to proclaim that it's easy to integrate NLD into existing Microsoft Networks
[12:20] <SimonAnibal> I know that's going to be a HUGE success for them in the U.S. market
[12:20] <Burgwork> yep
[12:20] <Burgwork> until MS sues somebody
[12:20] <SimonAnibal> right, anyhow
[12:20] <SimonAnibal> I'm expecting my own IS people
[12:21] <SimonAnibal> to strongarm me into switching to Novell
[12:21] <Burgwork> so need a backup
[12:21] <Burgwork> so you need, rather
[12:21] <Burgwork> here is the skiny
[12:21] <SimonAnibal> One way I can fend them off, is to get my Ubuntu workstations integrated somehow
[12:21] <Burgwork> oliver grawert of Edubuntu is pushed hard for something for feisty
[12:21] <Burgwork> you can do it know, it is just a pain
[12:21] <SimonAnibal> Ok, and I can tell you the MOST IMPORTANT part, strategically
[12:22] <SimonAnibal> is to get something that can connecting workstations to an existing microsoft network
[12:22] <SimonAnibal> I don't mind the pain
[12:22] <Burgwork> ok, that is more serious pain
[12:22] <SimonAnibal> You can help me by writing a simple howto, and I can flesh it out with real life experience
[12:22] <Burgwork> ajmitch is bringing the new version of samba3, which can apparently do
[12:22] <SimonAnibal> You I mean the team
[12:22] <Burgwork> right
[12:23] <SimonAnibal> With my real life experience, and the team's expertise, do you think we can get SOMETHING together by Feisty
[12:23] <Burgwork> yes, because orga is going to have something
[12:24] <SimonAnibal> Alright, I've done afew things by reading howtos
[12:24] <SimonAnibal> but they don't really explain the whys and such, so when I had questions, I was screwed
[12:24] <SimonAnibal> e.g. I've gotten the workstations to authenticate off the AD server using kerberos
[12:24] <SimonAnibal> But if I signed in that way I had no sound
[12:25] <Burgwork> ah, that is easy
[12:25] <Burgwork> that is due to group permissions
[12:25] <SimonAnibal> Later I learned from Jorge that I was maybe supposed to autheticate using LDAP instead?
[12:25] <Burgwork> AD is LDAP
[12:25] <SimonAnibal> Ok, so these are the sorts of things I don't know, and I feel if I keep bumbling through this I'm going to create a bad system
[12:26] <Burgwork> yep
[12:26] <SimonAnibal> With the team's expertise, we can create a good system, and even if it's quick and dirty, I can set it up and get something running
[12:26] <SimonAnibal> I can be your guinea pig
[12:26] <SimonAnibal> And let you know where the rough spots are that really need work
[12:26] <Burgwork> I am already a guinea pig, but for a fully ubuntu system
[12:27] <SimonAnibal> Yeah, see, I'm in an otherwise homogenous MS system
[12:27] <SimonAnibal> and I'm your target customer for Fesity
[12:27] <SimonAnibal> Feisty
[12:27] <SimonAnibal> If Ubuntu can deliver that interoperability, then we can keep Novell from kicking us out of U.S. Enterprise settings
[12:27] <Burgwork> you are also a school, so talk to Edubuntu
[12:28] <SimonAnibal> I'm in ubuntu-education
[12:28] <Burgwork> ogra in particular
[12:28] <Burgwork> #edubuntu
[12:28] <SimonAnibal> edubuntu is only concerned with LTSP as far as I can tell
[12:28] <SimonAnibal> I've been on th edubuntu mailing list since last school year
[12:28] <Burgwork> until now, yes
[12:29] <SimonAnibal> Well, I understand big changes are underway
[12:29] <Burgwork> ogra has ignored the auth stuff, but that is a major target for feisty
[12:29] <Burgwork> ogra has ignored the auth stuff because somebody else always said they were going to do it
[12:30] <SimonAnibal> I'm working closely with Richard Weideman in the "Ubuntu and Education" community, but I'll talk to ogra and see how we can get this done
[12:30] <Burgwork> cool
[12:31] <Burgwork> you are going to make a great poster child for Ubuntu in schools
[12:31] <SimonAnibal> As far as I can tell you, this piece is NOT education specific
[12:31] <SimonAnibal> which is why I joined this Launchpad team
[12:31] <SimonAnibal> Hah, if I can keep from being made to use Novell, I'll do my best
[12:32] <SimonAnibal> is ogra Oliver Grawert?
[12:32] <Burgwork> yes
[12:32] <Burgwork> I have FC at work and that is what our product is based off of
[12:32] <SimonAnibal> Ok, I've interacted with him on the edubuntu mailing list
[12:32] <SimonAnibal> He hasn't been speaking on there about the auth piece
[01:36] <Burgwork> whiprush: you around?
[04:00] <bmonty> does anyone have ssh kerberos authentication working?
[04:04] <Burgundavia> bmonty: whiprush does
[04:16] <bmonty> Burgundavia: just to make sure, the default openssh-server package does not do kerberos, correct?
[04:16] <Burgundavia> no idae
[04:36] <nkassi_> Hey
[04:57] <bmonty> got it working, you just have to add GSSAPIAuthentication yes to sshd_config
[05:15] <robertj_> I wonder why that is off by default
[05:25] <bmonty> speed up the logon maybe?
[05:25] <bmonty> it won't have to try and fail the GSSAPI method
[06:09] <nkassi_> Yike I hadn't seen this quote from ballmer today: "You get no covenant not to sue if you chose Oracle"
[06:09] <nkassi_> Ugly
[06:09] <Burgundavia> nkassi_: linky?
[06:10] <nkassi_> printed article in NY Times
[06:10] <nkassi_> It might be online let me check
[06:12] <nkassi_> http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061103/ZNYT01/611030352/1001/BUSINESS
[06:12] <nkassi_> reprint
[06:25] <nkassi_> I wonder if they will attack the little guy or go after people like Google and IBM ? That is what killed sco. To much to chew
[06:27] <nkassi_> actually Google+IBM's market cap = Microsoft's. Estimating that IBM probably has patent on a lot of Microsoft's stuff this is FUD
[06:40] <whiprush> Burgundavia: yeah
[06:51] <nkassi_> On the client side will Evolution be automatically set to use the contacts from the ldap server ?
[06:52] <nkassi_> or should it ?
[07:05] <Burgundavia> evo needs some "autoconfig" love
[07:09] <Fujitsu> I think Evo needs to be attacked with something... fatally perhaps?
[07:10] <Fujitsu> I think it has gone down-hill recently :(
[07:10] <nkassi_> hehe, So  I guess this is work. I would love to use thunderbird but the calendar is not really an option yet
[07:10] <Burgundavia> no, I don't think it has
[07:10] <Fujitsu> Sunbird isn't too bad.
[07:10] <Burgundavia> not GNOME
[07:10] <Burgundavia> doesn't integrate tightly
[07:11] <nkassi_> Sad that it ends up being that way ;0)
[07:11] <Fujitsu> True, but it does work better in some ways.
[07:11] <nkassi_> I agree (except dont
[07:11] <Burgundavia> it is because Mozilla doesn't give a damn about Linux
[07:11] <nkassi_> 'try to read a folder with 13000 email while downloading email)
[07:12] <nkassi_> just discovered that bug
[07:13] <Burgundavia> evo got lost in the shuffle at Novell
[07:13] <nkassi_> Burgundavia: What are the type of issues between gnome and thunderbird ?
[07:13] <Burgundavia> and the current evo team has the challenge of being on the wrong side of the world
[07:13] <Burgundavia> nkassi_: more that moz doesn't spend much effort integrating into Linux
[07:33] <Burgundavia> hmm, rh is looking to expand their ds team
[07:33] <Burgundavia> http://redhat.hrdpt.com/cgi-bin/a/highlightjob.cgi?jobid=633
[07:37] <nkassi_> interesting. Know any good Ubuntu dev that could be used to infiltrate RH and help the Ubuntu domination ;0)
[07:38] <Burgundavia> right
[07:38] <Burgundavia> rh is not evil
[07:38] <Burgundavia> in so far as a corp is not evi
[07:39] <nkassi_> Nope but installing FDS on edgy is hard. That dude/dudette could make it easier (I'm just kidding by the way)
[07:39] <Burgundavia> they are working on that
[07:39] <nkassi_> cool
[07:41] <Burgundavia> remember, FDS lived for many years as a closed source app
[07:41] <Burgundavia> worse, it moved from company to company
[07:41] <nkassi_> yeah.
[07:41] <nkassi_> Spagethi code
[07:41] <Burgundavia> X is somewhat similar
[07:42] <nkassi_> who wrote the X code originally ?
[07:42] <Burgundavia> lots of people
[07:42] <Burgundavia> Sun, ATT, IBM, etc.
[07:43] <nkassi_> True, the story is somewhat comming back
[07:43] <nkassi_> but it always was somewhat open
[07:43] <Burgundavia> yes it always has been
[02:29] <wasabi> about to leave for airport
[04:03] <bmonty> nice, there is a new version of pam-krb5 out
[04:20] <bmonty> does anyone here have evolution pulling addresses out of their LDAP server?
[04:51] <robertj_> bmonty: I did at one time
[05:02] <bmonty> robertj_: any chance you have it working with the evolution in edgy?
[05:02] <robertj_> bmonty: nope
[05:02] <robertj_> this was like breezy maybe?
[05:03] <bmonty> I've been trying to get it to work on evolution 2.8.1 with no luck
[05:11] <robertj_> I can't even fight the right dialog
[05:12] <robertj_> where did it get moved to?
[05:35] <bmonty> click on "Contacts" and then right click in the left pane and select "New Address Book"
[05:35] <bmonty> change type to "On LDAP Server"
[06:29] <robertj_> bmonty: hrmm, doesn't seem to be asking me for my password
[06:38] <robertj_> bmonty: I give up too
[07:03] <bmonty> robertj_: thanks for trying...I think that part of evolution is broken...even though they claim to support LDAP addressbooks
[07:12] <robertj_> bmonty: if you have a test installation you might try running slapd interactively so you can see what query it is sending
[07:50] <bmonty> robertj: I can sniff the traffic and see results coming back from the server, but evolution doesn't display them
[07:50] <robertj> bmonty: maybe it requirse inetorg persons?
[07:50] <bmonty> they are inetOrgPerson
[07:51] <bmonty> I've heard there is an evolution LDAP schema, but I can't find it anywhere
[07:51] <robertj> bmonty: I dunno, I can't even figure out why I can't log in on a fresh slapd install as cn=admin,dc=localdomain
[07:51] <bmonty> and it isn't in the source distribution either
[08:16] <bmonty> well I found the schema in the evolution-data-server package
[08:29] <robertj> surely it can't require a custom schema though
[08:40] <bmonty> it appears that it does
[08:46] <robertj> and without it evo will return no results?
[08:52] <bmonty> from a quick look at the source code if a doesn't have an objectClass of evolutionPerson then it doesn't get displayed
[08:52] <bmonty> a result that is
[08:53] <bmonty> but I added that objectClass to an entry plus a few of the attributes from the schema and it still isn't displayed
[11:37] <bmonty> ajmitch: have you ever had any luck getting evolution to use LDAP for the addressbook?
[11:39] <ajmitch> nope, haven't tried