[05:04] <Madpilot> So, those images I dumped into the marketing webspace w/o shoving thru bzr first - someone want to walk me thru using bzr to actually get them visible?
[05:25] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: install
[05:25] <Burgundavia> bzr branch url
[05:26] <Burgundavia> edit
[05:26] <Burgundavia> bzr push url
[05:26] <Madpilot> how do I create a new directory?
[05:27] <Burgundavia> bzr branch should pull down the entire dir structure
[05:57] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, sorry, still confused. Do I need to run bzr branch on the directory & files I scp'd in, the push to 'really' put them there?
[05:57] <Burgundavia> no
[05:57] <Burgundavia> pull the bzr branch down off whereever it is
[05:57] <Burgundavia> via 'bzr branch $URL'
[05:57] <Burgundavia> then add your files and push it back up
[05:58] <Madpilot> versioning systems make my tiny brain hurt...
[05:58] <Burgundavia> actually, bzr is really simple
[05:59] <Madpilot> ha
[06:00] <Madpilot> so I need to do "bzr branch http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/", add my new directory & files
[06:01] <Burgundavia> no
[06:02] <Madpilot> huh? what's the URL, then?
[06:02] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-marketing/+branch/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu
[06:02] <Madpilot> Dog
[06:02] <Burgundavia> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu
[06:02] <Burgundavia> that is your branch
[06:03] <Madpilot> oh lovely, man bzr is another useless man file, that tells you useful things only if you already know them
[06:04] <Burgundavia> bazaar-vcs.org
[06:06] <Madpilot> OK, just to make tonight's exercise faster, what would my full bzr branch command be? Am I obliged to grab the entire archive, just to add three files in one new subdirectory?
[06:07] <Burgundavia> just a sedc
[06:13] <Madpilot> http://bazaar-vcs.org/Documentation appears to lack a "Basic Intro to Bzr" doc; all the stuff under "Using Bazaar" seems to assume you are already an expert at this sort of thing, and is about esoterica of some sort... meh.
[06:13] <Burgundavia> bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu
[06:13] <Burgundavia> that is your command
[06:13] <Burgundavia> but it appears to be taking ages to do anything
[06:16] <Madpilot> Ah, they hide the *real* Using Bazaar info several layers deeper - http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/tutorial.htm - anyway, the command is grinding away, and I've got a mass of stuff coming down the network
[06:17] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:17] <Burgundavia> bitching about the lack of feedback on #bzr right now
[06:20] <Burgundavia> jenda: your branch repo is a mess
[06:21] <Burgundavia> s/y//.
[06:24] <Madpilot>  [[06:26] <Madpilot> OK, so add my subdirectory & images, then "bzr push <<what??>>"
[06:27] <Burgundavia> same url, I think
[06:27] <Madpilot> k
[06:28] <Burgundavia> I am asking now
[06:29] <Burgundavia> sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu
[06:31] <Madpilot> so it's http coming down, but sftp to get it back up? Odd.
[06:31] <Burgundavia> well, you have to auth a push
[06:32] <Madpilot> of course
[06:35] <Burgundavia> it working?
[06:35] <Madpilot> No. I get "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: /home/brian/Linux_Misc/UbMarketing Bzr/"
[06:35] <Burgundavia> hmm
[06:36] <Burgundavia> join #bzr and ask
[08:09] <nixternal> http://www.redhat.com
[08:09] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:09] <nixternal> i love their new banner
[08:12] <Madpilot> Oh, FFS. #bzr is dead, and bzr is still giving me stupid errors.
[08:12] <Madpilot> I've set the f'ing thing up three times now, and it barfs every time.
[08:13] <Burgundavia> and usually there are lots of Ubuntu devs to ask, but they are all travelling right now
[08:14] <Burgundavia> I love how consistent RH's marketing colours are
[08:14] <Burgundavia> their website kicks ours to the crub
[08:16] <Madpilot> OK, at least I've got it barfing differently now...
[08:16] <Madpilot> small paste
[08:16] <Madpilot> launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu
[08:16] <Madpilot> Permission denied (publickey).
[08:16] <Madpilot> bzr: ERROR: exceptions.EOFError:
[08:16] <Madpilot>   at /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/paramiko/sftp.py line 150
[08:16] <Madpilot>   in _read_all
[08:17] <Burgundavia> cool
[08:17] <Madpilot> missed the first line, it should have been "bzr push sftp://bazaar."
[08:17] <Burgundavia> that looks like a permissions error
[08:17] <Burgundavia> ask in #launchpad
[08:18] <nixternal> i thought jenda was the only when allowed to uplaod to spreadubuntu?
[08:18] <nixternal> i get the same error, but all my other branches are fine
[08:18] <Burgundavia> hmm, then that is an issue
[08:18] <Burgundavia> we need to get a DIY branch that people can push to
[08:18] <nixternal> i will check again really quick
[08:19] <Burgundavia> we need bzr+svn
[08:19] <Burgundavia> because we need a single place for people to pull from
[08:20] <nixternal> ok, my check out is working..i will test a commit
[08:21] <nixternal> bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu/
[08:21] <nixternal> downloading now
[08:22] <nixternal> bzr == way to slow
[08:22] <Burgundavia> yes, yes it is
[08:22] <Burgundavia> .12 apparently is much faster
[08:22] <nixternal> cool
[08:22] <Burgundavia> and .13 is coming soonish
[08:23] <Burgundavia> speed appears to be the current focus
[08:23] <nixternal> my lord...im still in fetch phase 1/4
[08:23] <nixternal> there must be some crazy .svg's plugging the pipe
[08:24] <Madpilot> unless they're really gigantic, SVGs aren't usually that large; they're just text files, after all.
[08:24] <nixternal> see, i wouldn't know..i suck with inkscape
[08:25] <Madpilot> apparently I suck with bzr, so it evens out
[08:25] <nixternal> xml file actually..neat
[08:25] <Madpilot> yeah, SVG is a species of XML
[08:26] <Burgundavia> we were talking about bzr sucks at feedback
[08:26] <Burgundavia> the bzr branch is also really really badly laid out
[08:26] <nixternal> im still at fetch phase 1/4
[08:26] <nixternal> something isn't right here
[08:27] <nixternal> i could have had the entire doc repo downloaded
[08:27] <Madpilot> I've done 'bzr branch' three times tonight, it does work eventually :|
[08:27] <Burgundavia> it is 89mb
[08:27] <nixternal> now im on Build Phase 0/2
[08:27] <nixternal> ahh that is why
[08:27] <nixternal> done!
[08:27] <nixternal> arg
[08:27] <nixternal> i will have problems ;)
[08:28] <nixternal> im a moron..i used a machine w/o a ssh id
[08:29] <nixternal> Madpilot: your ssh key on that machine, is it the same one that you uploaded to launchpad?
[08:29] <Madpilot> nixternal, SSH key? I don't have an SSH key on LP, far as I know. GPG, but not SSH...
[08:29] <nixternal> lol..you have to have a SSH key on LP before you can use bazaar
[08:30] <nixternal> i keep forgetting about that myself
[08:30] <Madpilot> ah. the docs fail to mention this.
[08:30] <Burgundavia> need to generate that myself
[08:31] <Madpilot> nixternal, it's late here, I've got to get up early. I'm going to leave this mess, and sort it out tomorrow.
[08:31] <nixternal> hehe, but now you know what you need to do
[08:31] <Madpilot> broadly, yes.
[08:32] <nixternal> the only way i knew that, or learned that..was putting my blog on the planet
[08:32] <nixternal> the planet wiki page tells you about it
[08:32] <nixternal> and you need python-paramiko as well
[08:32] <Madpilot> another package, too? Cool. Are there no docs at all for this setup?
[08:32] <nixternal> actually, no there isn't
[08:32] <poningru> yech
[08:32] <poningru> such a mess
[08:32] <nixternal> wow
[08:34] <Madpilot> the LP page says "Insert the contents of ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub or ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub." My ~/.ssh has neither file...
[08:34] <Madpilot> only known_hosts
[08:35] <Burgundavia> you need ot generate an ssh key
[08:35] <Madpilot> More fun. Tomorrow, then - I really do need sleep.
[08:36] <Madpilot> Can we arrange to have someone who knows this stuff actually write down *all* the steps needed somewhere? Please?
[08:37] <Burgundavia> I will play with it and write up a doc
[08:37] <nixternal> i will add that to my to do list if you need me to
[08:37] <poningru> err nm
[08:37] <nixternal> good, i will remove it now ;)
[08:37] <nixternal> nope, you said you will help
[08:37] <nixternal> ;)
[08:37] <poningru> actually have installfest tommorow
[08:37] <nixternal> that isn't an excuse
[08:37] <Madpilot> cool. G'night all...
[08:37] <poningru> nn
[08:38] <nixternal> g'nite Madpilot
[08:38] <poningru> will take tons of pics
[08:38] <nixternal> i ahve RMS tomorrow
[08:38] <poningru> you do?
[08:38] <nixternal> i won't
[08:38] <nixternal> ;)
[08:38] <nixternal> but i will take video
[08:38] <poningru> wait how does one posses rms?
[08:38] <nixternal> at least we are supposed to have video of it
[08:38] <poningru> oh is he giving a talk?
[08:38] <nixternal> Chicago GNU/LUG
[08:39] <nixternal> ya, a talk and then some Emacs and Lisp hacking I have been told
[08:39] <poningru> cool
[08:39] <nixternal> but i doubt that happens, as he is here on a layover
[08:39] <nixternal> he is staying in a $1000/night hotel in Lincoln Park tonight
[08:39] <poningru> hehe gl
[08:40] <nixternal> must be nice
[08:40] <poningru> I dont think he minds crashing at someones couch
[08:40] <nixternal> actually, that was the plan
[08:40] <nixternal> but the company he is here laid over with, is paying for his hotel during the layover
[08:40] <nixternal> we just chipped in $500 from IIT to get him to speak
[08:41] <nixternal> actually I didn't..but the college did
[08:41] <poningru> nice
[05:27] <tsmithe_> help...
[10:13] <Burgundavia> http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/06/11/04/0611256.shtml