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| imbrandon | !info vdr | 12:31 |
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| ubotu | vdr: Video Disk Recorder for DVB cards. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.4.0-2 (edgy), package size 693 kB, installed size 2108 kB | 12:31 |
| StevenK | It was autosynced, hence why it wasn't picked up. | 12:32 |
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| imbrandon | yea | 12:44 |
| Hobbsee | hey imbrandon | 12:45 |
| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 12:47 |
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| luisbg | heya all | 01:10 |
| Hobbsee | hey luisbg | 01:10 |
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| luisbg | how is all going Hobbsee ? | 01:11 |
| Hobbsee | luisbg: good, continuing to install my new laptop | 01:13 |
| Hobbsee | and then i should file some bugs, i guess | 01:13 |
| luisbg | the bugs you find while installing your new laptop? | 01:14 |
| luisbg | which laptop is it? | 01:14 |
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| Hobbsee | dell 6400 | 01:15 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, like the resolution bug, and some of the keys not working | 01:15 |
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| Hobbsee | actually, i think they're already filed - just nothing done about them yet | 01:15 |
| Hobbsee | hey bhale :) | 01:15 |
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| luisbg | dell makes great computers... when I had a pc laptop I had dell | 01:16 |
| luisbg | what resolution bug? | 01:17 |
| bhale | i have all dell | 01:17 |
| luisbg | hey bhale | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | luisbg: only gives 1024x768, not the native widescreen resolution | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | (1280x800) | 01:17 |
| luisbg | Hobbsee, does the desktop look squished? | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | luisbg: it did, yeah | 01:18 |
| luisbg | I have the same problem right now | 01:18 |
| Hobbsee | and all my normal 1024x768 desktops look squished! hehe! | 01:18 |
| luisbg | baught a new screen for my desktop pc, and it's a widescreen | 01:18 |
| luisbg | and it looks squised vertically | 01:18 |
| luisbg | s/squised/squished | 01:18 |
| luisbg | tried to change the xorg.conf but that didn't work | 01:19 |
| luisbg | did you got to fix it? | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | luisbg: what chipset? | 01:19 |
| luisbg | Hobbsee, I'm using a ati radeon 9200 | 01:19 |
| luisbg | with the ubuntu fglrx driver | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | ah, i know nothing about ati stuff. did you do the stuff in !xcfg | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | ? | 01:19 |
| luisbg | which stuff? | 01:20 |
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| Hobbsee | the stuff under ati | 01:20 |
| luisbg | nope | 01:20 |
| luisbg | guide me through plz... I would be infinitly thankful | 01:20 |
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| luisbg | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? | 01:22 |
| Hobbsee | i didnt read it, i just saw it had a whole lot of stuff at the end about it | 01:25 |
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| luisbg | Hobbsee, lol | 01:38 |
| luisbg | gonna reboot the x server... let's see how it work | 01:38 |
| luisbg | s | 01:38 |
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| luisbg | Hobbsee, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg --- worked perfectly | 01:43 |
| luisbg | =) | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | luisbg: :) i tried that before for mine, and that ditn fix it | 01:45 |
| luisbg | know I'm in the hard task to choose my new resolution | 01:47 |
| luisbg | new screen's resolution is like new year's resolution | 01:47 |
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| luisbg | pbuilder build gives me "cp: cannot create regular file `/usr//bin/driza-qt': Permission denied" : any ideas? | 02:41 |
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| minghua | http://davyd.livejournal.com/199152.html # GNOME bugzilla applet | 02:46 |
| minghua | if only the Karma on LP is meaningful, then we can make a similar one | 02:47 |
| Burgwork | the Karma needs to stop bloody changing, like some secret sauce | 02:47 |
| Burgwork | that is clearly Marks influence | 02:47 |
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| LaserJock | where the heck is network manager? | 05:32 |
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| Burgundavia | LaserJock: network-manager-gnome? | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | well, I have it installed | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | but now I don't know what to do | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | I'm feeling stupid | 05:35 |
| Burgundavia | it should be in your notification area | 05:35 |
| Burgundavia | did you install -gnome or just n-m? | 05:35 |
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| LaserJock | I think -gnome | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | what does it look like? | 05:35 |
| bmonty | you have to add the applet to the taskbar | 05:36 |
| Burgundavia | no, you shouldn't | 05:36 |
| LaserJock | Network Monitor? | 05:36 |
| Burgundavia | unless it changed in the edgy cycle | 05:36 |
| Burgundavia | you might need to logout and login | 05:36 |
| LaserJock | well, I have | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | I've had it installed forever | 05:37 |
| Burgundavia | try rebooting | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | but I've never used it | 05:37 |
| Burgundavia | have you got a notification area? | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | unless I have and didn't know it :/ | 05:37 |
| Burgundavia | those can get removed accidentally | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I have a notification area | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | I have 2 networking icons | 05:37 |
| Burgundavia | one of those is nm | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | but nothing very useful for wifi | 05:38 |
| Burgundavia | the one with the bars | 05:38 |
| Burgundavia | click on them both | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | oh really | 05:38 |
| Burgundavia | ya rly | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I didn't know that was n-m | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | it's not very helpful | 05:38 |
| Burgundavia | because it is just that integrate | 05:39 |
| Burgundavia | +d | 05:39 |
| Burgundavia | should it have a 5 page setup thingy like amarok | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | no | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | but it isn't helpful | 05:39 |
| Burgundavia | would you like to us mysql[] or sqllite[] | 05:39 |
| Burgundavia | its own is "just work" | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure what it's supposed to do | 05:39 |
| Burgundavia | you click on it and choose your network | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | but it doesn't give me a choice | 05:40 |
| Burgundavia | do you even know what to look for? | 05:40 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ | 05:40 |
| Burgundavia | it should look like that screenshot | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | it totally doesn't though | 05:41 |
| LaserJock | it just shows the status of my connection | 05:41 |
| LaserJock | nothing exciting | 05:41 |
| Burgundavia | remove that | 05:41 |
| Burgundavia | you have two, you said? | 05:41 |
| Burgundavia | one is the network thingy from gnome | 05:41 |
| Burgundavia | the other is nm | 05:41 |
| LaserJock | yeah, they both seem equally useless | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | well, the gnome one seems more so | 05:42 |
| Burgundavia | what do the icons look like? | 05:42 |
| Burgundavia | can you paste bin a screenshot? | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | probably :-) | 05:42 |
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| LaserJock | bah | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | well there is one with the bar | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | which I'm assuming is n-m | 05:45 |
| Burgundavia | no | 05:45 |
| Burgundavia | nm has lots of bars | 05:45 |
| Burgundavia | like that fracking cingular ad | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | oh | 05:45 |
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| Burgundavia | LaserJock: ok, the icon has changed | 05:49 |
| Burgundavia | you need the one with two screens and a small warning sign | 05:49 |
| Burgundavia | black screens | 05:49 |
| Burgundavia | click on that | 05:49 |
| Burgundavia | it should bring up a menu | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | "No Network Devices Found" | 05:50 |
| Burgundavia | then have you an n-m bug | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | oh, great | 05:51 |
| Burgundavia | file it | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | I thought the gnome one was n-m | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | oops | 05:51 |
| Burgundavia | no, no it is not | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | I was wondering what all the fuss was about | 05:51 |
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| LaserJock | weird, I don't see a bug close to this on LP | 05:53 |
| Burgundavia | you are certain you have the package network-manager-gnome installed? | 05:54 |
| Burgundavia | not just network-manager | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | ii network-manager-gnome 0.6.3-2ubuntu6 | 05:55 |
| Burgundavia | right | 05:55 |
| Burgundavia | can you email me a screenshot of nm with its window open? | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | well, there isn't a window open | 05:56 |
| Burgundavia | the drop down one | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | there isn't really anything there | 05:57 |
| LaserJock | it was just a single grey line with "No Network Device Found" | 05:57 |
| LaserJock | so I right-clicked and uncheck "Enable Networking" | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | and then re-enabled it | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | so now it has a single greyed out line that says "Wired Network" | 05:58 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 05:58 |
| Burgundavia | try the same for wireless | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | there is no wireless | 05:58 |
| Burgundavia | right | 05:58 |
| Burgundavia | are you plugged in? | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | to ethernet? | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | no | 05:59 |
| Burgundavia | that is why | 05:59 |
| Burgundavia | it isn't do anything becuase there is nothing to do | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | I have to have an ethernet cable plugged in? | 05:59 |
| Burgundavia | you have no wireless and it can | 05:59 |
| Burgundavia | t find an active wired card | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | but my wireless is working | 05:59 |
| Burgundavia | then it is not finding your wireless | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | I'm talking to you right now | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | ok | 06:00 |
| Burgundavia | what chipset? | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | not sure | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC | 06:00 |
| Burgundavia | and madwifi | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | is that a package? | 06:01 |
| Burgundavia | the name of the atheros driver | 06:01 |
| Burgundavia | known to be slightly crackish | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | I don't think so | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | I"m not sure what I'm looking for but I have no madwifi package or kernel module | 06:02 |
| Burgundavia | ath_pci is your kernel module | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | ah yes, I do have that | 06:03 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, i have a 5212 and it works great | 06:03 |
| Burgundavia | when did you install nm? | 06:03 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: i saw a gnome n-m presentation this week, and in ubuntu it required some configuration in edgy before it was up and rocking the way it should | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: dapper I believe | 06:03 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: no, no it doesn't | 06:03 |
| nixternal | sharms knows all about it, as it was him who gave a great presenation on it...it actually made me want it for KDE ;) | 06:03 |
| Burgundavia | install, logout and login | 06:03 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: knetworkmanager | 06:04 |
| nixternal | Burgundavia: he didn't logout after installing...and to knetworkmanager gahahahah ;) | 06:04 |
| nixternal | did i say that out loud? | 06:04 |
| Burgundavia | nm is the future, it just needs to work out a few bugs | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | hmm, how odd | 06:04 |
| nixternal | my laptop isn't good enough to run it ;) | 06:05 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if I could remove n-m and reinstall it | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | I can't imagine that would help | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | brb | 06:08 |
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| LaserJock | no luck | 06:14 |
| LaserJock | is there a place where n-m keeps configs | 06:14 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: when do you arrive? | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | tomorrow some time | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | probably in the afternoon | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | I'm at my grandpa's now | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | discussing MS and Novell | 06:19 |
| joejaxx | ah ok :) | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | interestingly, my grandpa and uncle saw the MS/Novell story on TV | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | and said, "Wow, the Linux stuff must be taking over" | 06:21 |
| Burgundavia | then they asked you when you were going to make some real money off it? | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | no | 06:23 |
| Burgundavia | right | 06:23 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | they said, "This open source thing seems like the way of the future" | 06:23 |
| Burgundavia | nice | 06:24 |
| Burgundavia | all the sales people at Userful now firmly believe that if our stuff was open source we would be making more money | 06:24 |
| Burgundavia | and these are not people who drink the koolaid like I do | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | interesting | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | I am curious about open source business models | 06:25 |
| Burgundavia | it is all about support | 06:25 |
| Burgundavia | that is essentially all we do currently | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | I saw an argument against Canonical about that though | 06:25 |
| Burgundavia | what do you think RH makes it money off of? | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | that it was bad to have a business model around support | 06:25 |
| Burgundavia | RH is almost entirely support | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | because the business is better when there is more problems | 06:26 |
| Burgundavia | and their customers rave about it | 06:26 |
| Burgundavia | I think I am going to blog "Eich ein RedHatters" | 06:26 |
| Burgundavia | or something like that | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | heh | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | well, this open source is still a hobby for me | 06:28 |
| Burgundavia | seriously, I now trust Novell a great deal less today | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | but there is an "Open Chemistry" movement that's interesting | 06:28 |
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| Fujitsu | LaserJock: NM will ignore interfaces that have configuration in /etc/network/interfaces/ | 06:29 |
| Fujitsu | *interfaces. | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: ooohh | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | that could be | 06:30 |
| Fujitsu | (just got back from re-stocking pond with fish) | 06:30 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: ah, hence why it just works on my edgy machine | 06:30 |
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| Burgundavia | hmm | 06:30 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: I think that patch got dropped | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | ok, so should there be *nothing* in interfaces about it | 06:30 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia: What patch? | 06:31 |
| Burgundavia | the patch to ignore stuff in /etc/network/interfaces | 06:31 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: If there's anything at all in interfaces mentioning an interface, it'll ignore the interface. | 06:31 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: that is not true | 06:31 |
| nixternal | oh ya, Fujitsu is right..that is exactly what sharms tweaked in order for NM to work ;) sorry i didn't remember that | 06:31 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia: That's not a patch, that's an upstream feature.... | 06:31 |
| Burgundavia | auto ath0 | 06:32 |
| Burgundavia | iface ath0 inet dhcp <-- that part of my /etc/network/interfaces | 06:32 |
| Burgundavia | and yet nm works fine | 06:32 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia: Without that, you can't have any static interfaces. | 06:32 |
| Fujitsu | Do you have a manually set SSID? | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | I do yes | 06:32 |
| Fujitsu | It may be that which is doing it, though it's best to remove all lines referring to it. | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | do I need to reboot after getting rid of that? | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | or will logout do? | 06:33 |
| Fujitsu | No, you'll need to /etc/init.d/networking restart. | 06:33 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: no, that ignore stuff is one of our patches | 06:34 |
| Burgundavia | http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_0.6.3-2ubuntu6/changelog | 06:34 |
| Burgundavia | look at 6.2.2-2 | 06:34 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, true. | 06:35 |
| Fujitsu | But that patch is still there. | 06:35 |
| Fujitsu | + /* If the interface isn't listed in /etc/network/interfaces then | 06:35 |
| Fujitsu | + * it's considered okay to control it. | 06:35 |
| Fujitsu | + */ | 06:35 |
| Burgundavia | actually, if it isn't listed as auto, don't touch it | 06:35 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 06:35 |
| Fujitsu | Burgandavia: | 06:35 |
| Fujitsu | + /* If the interface has no options other than just "inet dhcp" | 06:35 |
| Fujitsu | + * it's probably ok to fiddle with it. | 06:35 |
| Fujitsu | + */ | 06:35 |
| Fujitsu | *Burgundavia | 06:35 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 06:35 |
| Fujitsu | That's why yours works. | 06:35 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | \o/ | 06:36 |
| Burgundavia | nm is great and really should be the only networking tool on the ssystem | 06:36 |
| Burgundavia | it, howver, isn't there yet | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | I just removed the ssid line in interfaces, leaving the rest | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | restarted networking | 06:37 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: As long as it has no more than inet dhcp, it should work. | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | and re-enabled n-m | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | and it's all good | 06:37 |
| Fujitsu | Good, good. | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | gotta get this thing ready for Google's Mt. View wifi :-) | 06:37 |
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| dredg | nothing like being at an airport at 5am to make you want to dig your eyes out with a rusty spoon | 06:59 |
| dredg | huzzah for oh-so-early-o-fucking-clock. and then your laptop battery dies :( | 07:00 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: more evidence of a giant KDE conspiracy http://launchpad.net/bugs/70184 :) | 07:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 70184 in meta-kde "Kde and kde applications make X crash " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 07:06 |
| nixternal | bah, he crashes X, not KDE ;) | 07:07 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: but KDE crashes X, not GNOME | 07:07 |
| nixternal | reply with "Enjoy Xephyr" | 07:07 |
| Burgundavia | clearly there are hidden KDE licensing restrictions imposed by Trolltech to prevent it :) | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | heh | 07:08 |
| nixternal | of course, how long has Qt been GPLd now? | 07:08 |
| imbrandon | fully ? | 07:09 |
| Burgundavia | you must be part of the conspiracy | 07:09 |
| nixternal | of course I am | 07:09 |
| nixternal | im the CLIT Commander | 07:09 |
| Burgundavia | because denial implies collusion | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 07:09 |
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| nixternal | jay and silent bob own you, they are my 2nd in commands | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon! | 07:09 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: !! | 07:09 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: heya i decided i'm going to take my other cell phone ? got a pen ? | 07:10 |
| imbrandon | it will get better coverage | 07:10 |
| nixternal | lol | 07:10 |
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| nixternal | he kills me with that "got a pen" line | 07:10 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | go for it | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: I almost did it, that's the sad part | 07:11 |
| imbrandon | 1-816-810-3757 | 07:11 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:11 |
| imbrandon | thats the phone i will be taking ^^ | 07:11 |
| imbrandon | the other drops calls too much | 07:11 |
| Fujitsu | What a long phone number. | 07:11 |
| imbrandon | not as long as kwwii's Fujitsu | 07:12 |
| imbrandon | his is like 14 digits | 07:12 |
| imbrandon | or some crazy stuff | 07:12 |
| nixternal | 01234567890142465 | 07:12 |
| nixternal | thats my number | 07:12 |
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| nixternal | mine used to 445-5150 for van halen, then i got 445-1013 for sammy's bday, and now i can't remember my new one..like 3860 or some garbage | 07:13 |
| nixternal | im apalled that he actually filed a bug report against meta-kde on that one..and the says "I'm using a multiterminal setup, using xephyr and evdev to use my computer as two."... | 07:14 |
| imbrandon | huh ? | 07:16 |
| imbrandon | man all this talk of nm , and i can never get that to work | 07:16 |
| imbrandon | it dont like my wireless card | 07:16 |
| imbrandon | :( | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | anybody know anything about bibus? | 07:16 |
| imbrandon | not i | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | it seems to be a pretty popular bibliography tool | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | you can use it with OO.o | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | but we don't have it in Ubuntu | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | and it looks like it's GPL | 07:18 |
| predius_ | Is that professional or perfectionist? | 07:18 |
| imbrandon | ahh that would be why, i dont use OO.o | 07:18 |
| predius_ | err | 07:18 |
| imbrandon | :) | 07:18 |
| predius_ | wrong channel | 07:18 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: I sell multiseat all day. In fact, I use it at work | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | it is quite stable, but that implementation is not | 07:19 |
| nixternal | im willing to bet he couldn't figure out where to file a bug for xephyr | 07:19 |
| nixternal | Burgundavia: what are you and i going to do this week? we are mtv no-go's | 07:20 |
| Burgundavia | grumble | 07:20 |
| Burgundavia | be cynical | 07:20 |
| nixternal | ya, same here | 07:20 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:20 |
| Burgundavia | get my boss to tell me I should "s** butterflies as a salesman" | 07:20 |
| nixternal | i have to work in a few hours on a project, and then shoot to IIT to see the RMS talk | 07:20 |
| imbrandon | thats me and ajmitch's job :) | 07:20 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: you ain't seen cynical until bhale and I get together | 07:21 |
| nixternal | hahaha Burgundavia, i have never heard that term before, but i will use it from this point on | 07:21 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia: hehe | 07:21 |
| Burgundavia | apparently I am "too down", mostly 'cause I don't believe in the company I work for or the product I sell | 07:21 |
| imbrandon | ouch, yea that does suck | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | man i really should be asleep right now, i guess i'll try to sleep on the plane | 07:22 |
| nixternal | lol, thats why i left my last job...oh wait, they made me leave | 07:23 |
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| nixternal | i can't sleep on a plane...i want to know when im crashing ;) | 07:24 |
| nixternal | i have to drink before i fly..otherwise im a wreck | 07:24 |
| imbrandon | bah there is nothing you can do | 07:24 |
| imbrandon | so might as well not know | 07:24 |
| nixternal | lol | 07:24 |
| Amaranth | so... | 07:24 |
| nixternal | im sure all the screaming will wake you up | 07:24 |
| Amaranth | I don't know how to drive, can someone pick me up when it's time to go on sunday? | 07:24 |
| nixternal | my old man flies pretty much every week..i couldn't do it | 07:25 |
| nixternal | Amaranth: a majoriy of americans don't know how to drive either, yet they do it daily | 07:25 |
| imbrandon | Amaranth: what hotel are you at >? | 07:25 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 07:25 |
| Amaranth | uh, let me get the name again | 07:25 |
| nixternal | canonical should have gotten a group discount, and resold the rooms to people | 07:26 |
| Amaranth | Quality Inn & Suites - 5 Fairchild Drive , Mountain View, CA, US, 94043 | 07:26 |
| Amaranth | dunno my room number yet | 07:26 |
| Amaranth | cell phone is 712-899-4732 | 07:27 |
| imbrandon | ahh i thought you might be at the same hotel as us , hrm | 07:27 |
| Amaranth | couldn't | 07:27 |
| imbrandon | i dont know whos gonna be driving, not me | 07:27 |
| imbrandon | how far is it from google hq? call a cab last resort | 07:27 |
| Amaranth | 3 miles | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | I might be able to help out | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | I'm not crazy about driving | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | but I'll have a minivan | 07:30 |
| Amaranth | heh | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | and Amaranth is halfway between me and the UDS hotel | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | I'll be 1.6 miles from Google | 07:32 |
| LaserJock | Amaranth: when will you arrive? | 07:32 |
| Amaranth | LaserJock: plane lands at 11pm tomorrow night | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | I see | 07:33 |
| Amaranth | i can get to my hotel fine with caltrain and a short cab ride | 07:33 |
| Amaranth | just was hoping to get a ride instead of having to take a cab to go 3 miles :P | 07:33 |
| Amaranth | (for sunday) | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | does anybody know what building we are going to be at? | 07:38 |
| Amaranth | not i | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | I'm wondering how parking will be too for those of us that are driving | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | I suppose I can wander around the googleplex | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | but there's at least 4 buildings | 07:40 |
| Amaranth | i wouldn't complain about having to wonder around a bit ;) | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | you gotta be careful | 07:40 |
| Amaranth | err, wander | 07:40 |
| Amaranth | why are google's lawyers going to attack me? | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | it's not exactly a completely open source establishment, if you know what I mean | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | when I was there we had to sign all this stuff | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | and they had people watching us | 07:41 |
| Amaranth | nice | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | making sure we didn't wander out of the "designated" area | 07:41 |
| Amaranth | i just want to meet chris dibona and leslie hawthorn :P | 07:42 |
| Amaranth | they ran the summer of code | 07:42 |
| Amaranth | i'm owed a tour ;) | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | heh | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | are we using ekiga? does anybody know | 07:43 |
| Burgundavia | they are using SIP | 07:44 |
| Burgundavia | there is a page on the wiki | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 07:45 |
| imbrandon | ekiga is a sip client iirc | 07:45 |
| imbrandon | never used it though | 07:46 |
| Amaranth | don't suppose anyone here has an ipod? | 07:47 |
| imbrandon | i do | 07:47 |
| imbrandon | 4gig nano | 07:47 |
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| imbrandon | i got mine | 07:47 |
| Amaranth | :) | 07:48 |
| tritium | Amaranth: are you already in MV? | 07:48 |
| Amaranth | no | 07:48 |
| Amaranth | i came to omaha today so i can catch my flight tomorrow | 07:48 |
| Amaranth | staying at my grandparents' | 07:48 |
| tritium | ah | 07:48 |
| imbrandon | omaha ne? | 07:48 |
| Amaranth | yep | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | thats not far from me | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | :) | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | cupple hours | 07:49 |
| Amaranth | my uncle comes here every weekday for work, caught a ride with him | 07:49 |
| Amaranth | i live in sioux city iowa | 07:50 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | Amaranth's ticket was cheap, hence why he got to go via my credit card | 07:50 |
| imbrandon | i'm in KC | 07:50 |
| === Amaranth bows to the great Burgundavia | ||
| imbrandon | nice | 07:50 |
| imbrandon | seems more people were sponsored by a community member this time | 07:50 |
| imbrandon | that cool | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | +s | 07:51 |
| TheMuso | Hey all. | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | heya TheMuso | 07:51 |
| Burgundavia | I wish I could sponsor a few more, but the details didn't quite get worked out (not my money, for them) | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | ahh :) | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | still cool | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | if canonical dident sponsor me i wouldent have been able to go | 07:52 |
| === StevenK is pondering asking his employer to pay for his ticket to the next UDS. | ||
| StevenK | (If I decide I want to/can go) | 07:52 |
| imbrandon | heya StevenK | 07:52 |
| === StevenK waves. | ||
| Burgundavia | StevenK: whom do you work for? | 07:53 |
| StevenK | Ursys, we make small satellite routers based on Debian. | 07:54 |
| Burgundavia | I am certain you could | 07:54 |
| StevenK | However, a lot of people around the office use Ubuntu. | 07:54 |
| nixternal | oh wow, sun is going to be at UDS on Monday to announce the certification for Ubuntu on their x86 servers, and to announce the details of their partnership | 08:07 |
| nixternal | Ubuntu and Gentoo are the only Linux distros on board with Sun..interesting | 08:08 |
| tritium | Where did you read this, nixternal ? | 08:09 |
| LaserJock | ahh, my 2 favorites ;-) | 08:09 |
| nixternal | linked on lxer | 08:09 |
| nixternal | check out http://www.redhat.com | 08:09 |
| nixternal | look at their new banner ;) | 08:09 |
| Burgundavia | red hat rocks, I have to say | 08:10 |
| nixternal | ditto Burgundavia | 08:10 |
| Burgundavia | as a corporation, they should still be mistrusted | 08:11 |
| nixternal | i really like the fact they aren't being PC, and that they are showing a spine | 08:11 |
| Burgundavia | but they are making all the right moves | 08:11 |
| nixternal | Microsoft and Novell: Fox marries chicken, both move into henhouse | 08:12 |
| nixternal | hahahahahaha | 08:12 |
| LaserJock | I don't really understand what they MS/Novell thing really is | 08:14 |
| Burgundavia | Novell hoping to buy peace | 08:14 |
| Burgundavia | and hoping to get into a few more server rooms | 08:15 |
| nixternal | personally, it is the middle finger to the Linux community | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | why are they afraid of MS? | 08:15 |
| StevenK | Novell are going nowhere near my server rooms, at home or work. | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | why do they need to buy peace | 08:15 |
| nixternal | i mean come on, Microsoft is selling Linux Support? | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | because every major tech company violates every other major tech companies patents | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | every last one | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | oh | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | ok | 08:16 |
| Burgundavia | most have cross licensing deals | 08:16 |
| Burgundavia | so none of these patents get tested in court | 08:16 |
| nixternal | oh, and lets not forget the $600m USD default Novell is a part of, which in fact they were in jeopardy of lossing their stock, but oh guess what, the SEC says they are safe now, even though they still owe $600m | 08:16 |
| Burgundavia | and one of the tests that the courts use is "has somebody paid you for it" | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | sweet, I've got an ekiga account now | 08:22 |
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| LaserJock | not sure what I'm going to do with it | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | but I've got it :-) | 08:22 |
| nixternal | hmm | 08:22 |
| nixternal | kde don't have ekiga, but it is planned to have a substitue for 7.04 | 08:23 |
| Burgundavia | they have SIP clients | 08:28 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate/Ekiga | 08:28 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate/KPhone | 08:29 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate/SIP | 08:29 |
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| siretart | is anyone able to reach 6701@canonical.com? | 09:32 |
| Burgundavia | siretart: nope, but jsgotangco is playing with it | 09:34 |
| jsgotangco | it doesn't seem to ring | 09:35 |
| jsgotangco | i thought it was my audio settings but i had skype do a callback so nothing seems wrong with my audio | 09:35 |
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| MehdiHassanpour | hey all | 09:36 |
| MehdiHassanpour | I'm Mehdi from Iranian LoCo Team | 09:36 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 09:36 |
| MehdiHassanpour | we have an English To Persian dictionary and would like to have it's packages in Ubuntu's multiverse repo | 09:37 |
| MehdiHassanpour | this is the only and first English to Persian dic we have on linuces | 09:37 |
| MehdiHassanpour | I need some help if this is possible... | 09:38 |
| jsgotangco | why multiverse? | 09:38 |
| MehdiHassanpour | where can we have it ? | 09:39 |
| crimsun | if its license is Free, then it should go into universe | 09:40 |
| MehdiHassanpour | we have it on Parsix repos too but would like to make it easier for ubuntu users using and updating... | 09:40 |
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| MehdiHassanpour | ? | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | MehdiHassanpour: what license is our stuff under? | 09:43 |
| MehdiHassanpour | we would like to make it easier for ubuntu users installing and updating | 09:43 |
| MehdiHassanpour | GPL | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | then it can go in universe, unless there are any patent or trademark issues with it | 09:43 |
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| MehdiHassanpour | good | 09:45 |
| MehdiHassanpour | what is the process? how should I do that ? | 09:46 |
| MehdiHassanpour | we have it on Parsix Gnu/Linux too, the license is GPL and sourceforge has hosted the project | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | do you have debian source packages already prepared? | 09:47 |
| MehdiHassanpour | yep | 09:48 |
| MehdiHassanpour | this is the deb package | 09:48 |
| MehdiHassanpour | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/xfardic/xfardic_0.8.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb?download | 09:48 |
| Burgundavia | do you have soure pages? .dsc, .orig.tar.gz, etc.? | 09:50 |
| MehdiHassanpour | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/xfardic/xfardic-0.8.0-src.tar.gz?download | 09:51 |
| MehdiHassanpour | this is the source package | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | crimsun: want to save me? | 09:52 |
| crimsun | MehdiHassanpour: hmm, that's just the orig.tar.gz | 09:53 |
| crimsun | MehdiHassanpour: where're the dsc and diff.gz? | 09:54 |
| crimsun | MehdiHassanpour: how was the deb generated? | 09:55 |
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| MehdiHassanpour | you can find all packages here | 09:55 |
| MehdiHassanpour | http://sourceforge.net/projects/xfardic | 09:55 |
| MehdiHassanpour | we have generated it Iranian debian, parsix, ubuntu users... | 09:56 |
| MehdiHassanpour | we have rpm packages too | 09:56 |
| crimsun | ah, you meant debian-xfardic in svn | 09:58 |
| crimsun | ok, what you need to do is generate a proper source package (source-only, no binaries), and upload the source package to REVU (see the topic) | 09:58 |
| MehdiHassanpour | we don't have it on Debian repos | 09:59 |
| crimsun | sorry, what does that mean? | 09:59 |
| crimsun | [I'm referring to http://xfardic.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xfardic/debian-xfardic/ ] | 10:00 |
| MehdiHassanpour | ok, yes | 10:00 |
| MehdiHassanpour | ok, so I will upload source packages to REVU | 10:05 |
| MehdiHassanpour | then who will create ubuntu binary packges for universe ? | 10:06 |
| crimsun | the buildds will. | 10:06 |
| crimsun | we only upload source packages. The buildd infrastructure takes care of the rest. | 10:06 |
| crimsun | before your source package can be uploaded to Ubuntu, however, it needs approval from 2 MOTU on REVU. | 10:07 |
| MehdiHassanpour | so I should ask MOTU to accept the package too | 10:08 |
| crimsun | no, we'll review it on REVU | 10:08 |
| crimsun | (peer review) | 10:09 |
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| MehdiHassanpour | thanks | 10:10 |
| crimsun | np. 'morning, gauvain | 10:11 |
| Gloubiboulga | hello Daniel | 10:12 |
| MehdiHassanpour | I joined the team REVU team in launchpad, sorry where should I upload packages ? | 10:12 |
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| crimsun | MehdiHassanpour: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU ? | 10:14 |
| MehdiHassanpour | nope, ty :) | 10:16 |
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| crimsun | it's a shame #ubuntu is turning into {#,}#debian | 10:57 |
| Burgundavia | crimsun: why so? | 11:02 |
| crimsun | offtopic chatter that turns ugly | 11:03 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 11:03 |
| Amaranth | crimsun: excessive kick forwarding to the rescue | 11:03 |
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| Amaranth | Hmm. | 11:31 |
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| Amaranth | Looks like I have to take this BART thing to Millbrae station then go to caltrain to get to sunnyvale station | 11:31 |
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| StevenK | imbrandon: How long until your flight? | 11:40 |
| imbrandon | 1 hour 15 minutes | 11:42 |
| imbrandon | dunno if my battery will last that long though | 11:42 |
| imbrandon | heh | 11:42 |
| StevenK | Heh | 11:42 |
| === StevenK pats the 7 hour battery on his X40. | ||
| Burgundavia | I get 45 minutes | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | i get about 3 hours but i forgot to charge fully before i left the house | 11:43 |
| StevenK | Heh, neat. | 11:43 |
| StevenK | I note gnome-power-manager in Edgy seems a little silly. | 11:44 |
| StevenK | I unplug my fully charged laptop from AC, and it tells me I have 18 minutes of power left. | 11:44 |
| imbrandon | heh | 11:44 |
| imbrandon | probably a hal thing | 11:45 |
| imbrandon | hal reporting it wrong | 11:45 |
| === StevenK didn't think of blaming hal. | ||
| imbrandon | i know the kde one ready the info from hal, dunno bout the gnome one but i would assume so | 11:46 |
| imbrandon | s/ready/read | 11:46 |
| Burgundavia | acpi, actually | 11:46 |
| StevenK | I've been meaning to nastygram gnome-power-manager, I just haven't yet. | 11:46 |
| Burgundavia | StevenK: how so? | 11:47 |
| StevenK | Burgundavia: Hrrm? | 11:47 |
| Burgundavia | <StevenK> I've been meaning to nastygram gnome-power-manager, I just haven't yet. | 11:47 |
| StevenK | Yes, I was looking for more context. | 11:47 |
| StevenK | How so what? | 11:47 |
| Burgundavia | in what way? | 11:48 |
| StevenK | When I say nastygram I mean file a bug in launchpad. | 11:48 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 11:48 |
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| imbrandon | brb /me go's to look for a power outlet | 11:54 |
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| Fujitsu | GOES! | 11:59 |
| Fujitsu | (Hi Hobbsee) | 11:59 |
| Hobbsee | hey all | 11:59 |
| Hobbsee | hey Fujitsu | 11:59 |
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| imbrandon | Fujitsu: i'll get out of the habbit someday | 12:39 |
| imbrandon | :) | 12:39 |
| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 12:39 |
| Fujitsu | Heh. | 12:39 |
| Hobbsee | hi imbrandon, where are you now? | 12:40 |
| imbrandon | at the airport in KC | 12:40 |
| imbrandon | 15 minutes till i get on the plane | 12:40 |
| imbrandon | ( soaking up free wifi ) | 12:40 |
| Hobbsee | KC? | 12:40 |
| Hobbsee | hehe :) | 12:40 |
| imbrandon | Kansas City | 12:40 |
| imbrandon | e.g. home, getting ready to board the flight | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 12:41 |
| imbrandon | all ready went through security etc | 12:41 |
| imbrandon | just killing minutes | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | they didnt find you to be a terrorist? | 12:41 |
| imbrandon | heh nope | 12:42 |
| StevenK | They're *WRONG*, wrong I say! | 12:42 |
| imbrandon | dident even make me boot my laptop | 12:42 |
| imbrandon | lol | 12:42 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 12:42 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: I note didn't doesn't have an 'e'. | 12:42 |
| imbrandon | bah lol | 12:42 |
| === StevenK will teach imbrandon to spell, even if it kills him. | ||
| StevenK | It probably will. | 12:43 |
| imbrandon | i use computers for 3 reasons , 1)fun 2)spellcheck 3)calculator :) | 12:43 |
| imbrandon | makes me lazy | 12:43 |
| Hobbsee | python makes a very nice calculator | 12:43 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: +1 | 12:43 |
| === Hobbsee has been utilising it | ||
| Fujitsu | That's what I always use. | 12:44 |
| StevenK | Python can do much better things. | 12:44 |
| imbrandon | heh | 12:44 |
| StevenK | Like display useless about boxes like the one I've been hacking on for the past three days. | 12:44 |
| === Fujitsu heads to bed. | ||
| imbrandon | katapult make a nice calc too | 12:44 |
| imbrandon | later Fujitsu | 12:44 |
| Fujitsu | But Kakakulk is too KDE. | 12:45 |
| imbrandon | StevenK: heh ever get that working ? | 12:45 |
| Fujitsu | *koo | 12:45 |
| imbrandon | heh s/c/k/ only | 12:45 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: Sure I did. | 12:45 |
| imbrandon | :) | 12:45 |
| imbrandon | StevenK: nice | 12:45 |
| StevenK | http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/wip.png | 12:46 |
| imbrandon | very cool | 12:47 |
| StevenK | :-) | 12:47 |
| imbrandon | whats that part of ? | 12:47 |
| imbrandon | is there a kde equiv ? | 12:47 |
| StevenK | The Tux and KDE logo have buggered off, but that's it. | 12:47 |
| imbrandon | i like that, pretty slick | 12:48 |
| StevenK | It's a simple PyGTK program laid out in a spec. | 12:48 |
| imbrandon | cool | 12:48 |
| imbrandon | probably wouldent be hard to make the same thing in pykde | 12:48 |
| StevenK | There's a pykde? | 12:48 |
| imbrandon | yea | 12:48 |
| === StevenK had no idea. | ||
| imbrandon | pyqt and pykde | 12:48 |
| StevenK | Personally, I think it looks fine under Gnome or KDE. | 12:49 |
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| imbrandon | true but i like my intergration :) although thats simple enough it really dont matter much cept for deps | 12:50 |
| StevenK | Exactly. | 12:50 |
| imbrandon | http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pykde/ python-kde iirc is the package | 12:50 |
| imbrandon | in *buntu | 12:50 |
| StevenK | Python-gtk2 and python-glade2, it's another 2Mb installed. | 12:50 |
| imbrandon | yea but what about all the other gtk* stuff python-gtk needs | 12:51 |
| imbrandon | no real biggies , just saying | 12:51 |
| imbrandon | :) | 12:51 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: I had a minimal chroot unpacked, installed kubuntu-desktop, and installed Python-gtk2 and python-glade2, and it pulled it like 5 packages. All of them small. | 12:52 |
| imbrandon | cool | 12:52 |
| imbrandon | thats not too bad | 12:52 |
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| imbrandon | better than kde{libs,base} on ubuntu | 12:53 |
| imbrandon | :) | 12:53 |
| StevenK | If you give me 5 minutes, I can even tell you what they are. :-) | 12:53 |
| imbrandon | nah thats cool, we bord in about 5 minutes | 12:53 |
| imbrandon | board | 12:53 |
| StevenK | I figured. :-) | 12:53 |
| StevenK | How long is the flight? | 12:54 |
| imbrandon | from here to denver 2 hours then a 1 hour layover | 12:54 |
| imbrandon | then 3 more to SF | 12:54 |
| === StevenK nods. | ||
| imbrandon | i might be able to poke in for a minute in denver, dunno with only an hour layover | 12:55 |
| === StevenK nods. | ||
| StevenK | You know, you will survive for 6 hours without IRC. | 12:55 |
| imbrandon | yup yup | 12:56 |
| StevenK | "That's what my doctor says." ? | 12:56 |
| === StevenK smirks a little. | ||
| imbrandon | lol | 12:57 |
| imbrandon | irc i can live without but i dunno about no smokes | 12:57 |
| StevenK | Heh | 12:57 |
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| imbrandon | anyhow time to detach boarding started, see yall in denver maybe , if not SF | 12:58 |
| imbrandon | hahahaha | 12:58 |
| imbrandon | exactly | 12:58 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: Enjoy your flight! | 12:58 |
| imbrandon | thanks ! <detaches> | 12:58 |
| Hobbsee | bye! | 01:01 |
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| Hobbsee | anyone around? having some trouble with pbuilder - says chroot: cannot run command `/usr/bin/apt-get': Permission denied | 02:27 |
| Hobbsee | and i'm running it with sudo | 02:27 |
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| sladen | Hobbsee: what are the permission on the /usr/bin/apt-get in the chroot? | 02:31 |
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| Hobbsee | sladen: how do i find out? | 02:32 |
| sladen | Hobbsee: ls -l foo/chroot/usr/bin/apt-get | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | ahh. seems i didnt have fakeroot installed, but same thing | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | where foo is? | 02:32 |
| sladen | Hobbsee: foo is where-ever you have the chroot | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | sladen: i dont have a chroot - it's created thru pbuilder | 02:32 |
| Mez | Hobbsee, sudo pbuilder login | 02:33 |
| Mez | and then you're in a shell inside the chroot | 02:34 |
| Mez | if you find an error, then login using | 02:34 |
| Mez | sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login | 02:34 |
| Mez | and it'll save your changes to the chroot | 02:34 |
| Mez | Hobbsee, or just create a new chroot | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | i was trying to avoid that :P | 02:35 |
| Mez | then do wha tI said ;) | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | it wont let me use one of the hooks | 02:35 |
| Mez | hooks ? | 02:36 |
| === Hobbsee moves it, and tries again | ||
| Mez | why do you need hooks / | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | chroot: cannot run command `bin/bash': Permission denied | 02:36 |
| Mez | you are sudo'ing right ? | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | of course. | 02:37 |
| Mez | o-O | 02:37 |
| Mez | what did you do to b0rk it that bad? | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | it's on a different partition, which is owned by the user, not by root | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | i've seriously got NFI.... | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | i'm wondering if rebuilding it will fix it | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | or if there's somethign else wrong | 02:38 |
| Mez | Hobbsee, same for my pbuilds | 02:38 |
| Mez | Hobbsee,as long as debootstrap works; | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | hmmmm | 02:38 |
| === Mez is planning to make his own buildd ;) | ||
| === Hobbsee creates it again | ||
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| Hobbsee | I: Extracting zlib1g... | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /media/devel/pbuilder/edgy/build/13378/. mount -t proc proc /proc | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | pbuilder: debootstrap failed | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | -> Aborting with an error | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | -> cleaning the build env | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | Mez: ^ | 02:57 |
| Mez | what filesystem type is /media/devel | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | ext3 | 02:58 |
| Mez | wait.... o_O | 02:58 |
| Mez | try | 02:58 |
| Mez | sudo chroot /media/devel/pbuilder/edgy/build/13378/ | 02:58 |
| Mez | see if that actually works | 02:58 |
| Mez | it might be a problem in chroot | 02:58 |
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| Hobbsee | Mez: it's cleaned it | 02:58 |
| Mez | hmmles | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | unless you need dchroot installed or something... | 02:59 |
| Mez | Hobbsee, I got to go out, are you going to be around later for me to help you out ? | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | Mez: i might have gone to bed. | 03:00 |
| Mez | bout an hour and a half | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | i'll likely be asleep by then, but i'll back back on later | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | it's 1am atm | 03:00 |
| Mez | ah, well I'm sure I'll see you online after I finish work ;) | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | Mez: if i could eyeball your pbuilderrc, that mgith be helpful | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | Mez: and your fstab line for mounting that partition ki guess | 03:02 |
| Mez | http://rafb.net/paste/results/FSCzDR90.html | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | thanks | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | Mez: so you write to that as root all the time then? | 03:06 |
| Mez | /scratch, yeah ... I do ... | 03:06 |
| Mez | it's just an ext3 mount chown'd to ke | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | Mez: and i dont think that pbuilderrc was the one you were looking for? it doestn refer to /scratch | 03:07 |
| Mez | s/ke/me | 03:07 |
| Mez | Hobbsee, I use command line switches ;) | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | oh right | 03:09 |
| Mez | sudo pbuilder create --distribution edgy --basetgz /scratch/pbuilds/edgy.tgz --buildplace /scratch/build --apt-cache /scratch/aptcache/edgy --buildresult /scratch/buildresult/edgy/ | 03:09 |
| Mez | lol - i dont knwo why i added he buildresult to that | 03:10 |
| Mez | habvit i guess | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | right | 03:10 |
| Mez | it's cause i find it easier to do it that way for different chroots | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 03:10 |
| Mez | (having to build in sid etc) | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | there's a section on multiple pbuilders in !pbuilder, if you didnt konw | 03:11 |
| Mez | Hobbsee, i do know ;) i just have my way of doing things | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | fair enough | 03:11 |
| Mez | it's the same stuff that's used on tiber ;) | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | ahhhh | 03:12 |
| Mez | Hobbsee, but usually i use pdebuild -- --<pbuilder options> | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 03:12 |
| Mez | rather than pbuilder build | 03:12 |
| Mez | i find it easier ;) | 03:12 |
| Mez | right I really ought a go | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | same here | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | okay | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | thanks for the help | 03:13 |
| Mez | argh ... CD's ripping still | 03:13 |
| Mez | lol | 03:13 |
| Mez | Hobbsee, plus i have seperate pbuilds for main and universe | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh, true | 03:15 |
| Mez | ;) | 03:16 |
| Mez | as I do for sid (main and non-free) | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm. it failed again | 03:22 |
| Mez | Hobbsee ... o_O | 03:23 |
| lfittl | hmm, whats the current upload policy for dapper-updates/universe (want to fix bug #59269) | 03:35 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 59269 in lighttpd "lighttpd fails to restart during logrotate script" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59269 | 03:35 |
| gnomefreak | lfittl: very strict | 03:59 |
| Adri2000 | I'm trying to package a python software with cdbs and python-distutils.mk... build fails here : "python2.5 setup.py" (python2.5: not found), I don't understand why cdbs uses python2.5 and not just python ? | 03:59 |
| Amaranth | Adri2000: it uses 2.3, 2.4, and 2.5 | 04:01 |
| Amaranth | Adri2000: your package should depend on python-all-dev | 04:02 |
| Amaranth | build-depend* | 04:02 |
| Adri2000 | python and python-all-dev or python-all-dev is enough ? | 04:02 |
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| Amaranth | python-all-dev should pull in everything | 04:03 |
| Adri2000 | ok | 04:03 |
| lfittl | gnomefreak: is there anything on the wiki about it? | 04:04 |
| gnomefreak | not that i know of | 04:05 |
| lfittl | (or is it documented anywhere else) | 04:05 |
| lfittl | gnomefreak: hmm, do you know enough about it to tell me what to do? | 04:06 |
| gnomefreak | lfittl: you would have to talk to ajmitch (theres more people) but hes the only one i remember. | 04:08 |
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| lfittl | gnomefreak: k, thanks | 04:08 |
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| lfittl | ajmitch: ping, what should be done to upload a bugfix to dapper-updates/universe? (bug #59269, bug #68401) | 04:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 59269 in lighttpd "lighttpd fails to restart during logrotate script" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59269 | 04:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 68401 in lighttpd "Cannot remove the lighttpd pkg from Edgy Eft" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68401 | 04:16 |
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| Adri2000 | I'm still trying to make my python package work... with cdbs and setup.py, the problem now is that in the config files it's written (for example) /tmp/buildd/umit-0.9.3/debian/umit/usr/config/umit instead of /usr/config/umit | 04:37 |
| bmonty | Adri2000: where does "dpkg-deb -c" show the files? | 04:51 |
| bmonty | also /usr/config is not where you should put config files, /usr/share/umit would be better | 04:51 |
| Adri2000 | dpkg -c says /usr/... nothing in /tmp/buildd/... | 04:53 |
| Adri2000 | the problem is just in the config files | 04:53 |
| bmonty | use "dpkg-deb" on the .deb file you created | 04:54 |
| bmonty | how are you building the package? | 04:54 |
| Adri2000 | pbuilder | 04:54 |
| Adri2000 | dpkg-deb with which option ? | 04:54 |
| bmonty | ok, and the package builds successfully? | 04:55 |
| Adri2000 | yes | 04:55 |
| bmonty | dpkg-deb -c will list the contents of the package....the paths shown there are where the files will be put when you install the package | 04:55 |
| Adri2000 | yep dpkg -c and dpkg-deb -c are the same | 04:55 |
| bmonty | ok, so those commands show the files where you want them, right? | 04:56 |
| Adri2000 | dpkg-deb -c also says /usr/... and not /tmp/buildd/... | 04:56 |
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| Adri2000 | yep (except the files in /usr/config but I will fix that later) | 04:56 |
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| bmonty | /tmp/buildd is where the files were put temporarily while the package was being built | 04:57 |
| Adri2000 | and seems that setup.py took this path for the config files | 04:58 |
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| Adri2000 | bmonty: no idea? | 05:05 |
| bmonty | Adri2000: have you looked http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ ? | 05:06 |
| Adri2000 | "FIXME: Someone familiar with CDBS should write this part." :-) | 05:06 |
| bmonty | kil4vorg | 05:09 |
| bmonty | Adri2000: I'm not sure how to fix it, but I would start by looking at other packages for python programs | 05:11 |
| Adri2000 | python program with setup.py packaged with cdbs... I will try to find this | 05:12 |
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| LaserJock | imbrandon: you here? | 06:05 |
| minghua | hey LaserJock | 06:07 |
| LaserJock | hi minghua | 06:07 |
| LaserJock | apparently imbrandon is stuck in Denver | 06:10 |
| bmonty | there are worse airports to be stuck at | 06:14 |
| LaserJock | for sure | 06:14 |
| LaserJock | but he's meeting the AU/NZ people in SF | 06:14 |
| minghua | didn't imbrandon post his cell phone number? | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | yeah, he called me this morning | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | to tell me | 06:16 |
| minghua | oh | 06:16 |
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| LaserJock | hehe, #ubuntu-burning | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | "Channel for Debian people not happy about Ubuntu" | 06:27 |
| bhale | sigh | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | I'm just kidding bhale | 06:27 |
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| Amaranth | LaserJock: do you have a cell phone? | 07:09 |
| Amaranth | wow i'm glad i'm not going through denver :P | 07:10 |
| Amaranth | i was going to be at first | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | Amaranth: yes | 07:10 |
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| LaserJock | does anybody have ajmitch's lifeless's cell phone number? | 08:06 |
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| === bhale wonders update updating to feisty | ||
| Amaranth | bhale: fun stuff | 08:12 |
| Amaranth | new glibc, binutils, kernel, etc | 08:12 |
| bhale | im aware | 08:12 |
| Amaranth | i haven't tried installing any of it, waiting to see if anyone survives the upgrade | 08:12 |
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| chantra | hi there, shall we start packaging for feisty then? | 08:47 |
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| chantra | one of my package got some upstream updates, can I still upload it to revu or not? | 08:47 |
| chantra | so it get included in edgy-updates | 08:47 |
| Adri2000 | chantra: new upstream version in -updates? I don't think so... | 08:50 |
| chantra | so I shall only upload for feisty | 08:51 |
| Adri2000 | yes | 08:51 |
| chantra | Adri2000: actually, the new upstream release comes with some bug fixes :) | 08:51 |
| Adri2000 | and maybe with some new bugs :/ | 08:53 |
| Adri2000 | that's the problem | 08:53 |
| geser | chantra: until those fixes are for important or security bugs I doubt you get an approval from motu-sru | 08:53 |
| chantra | to get a new feisty box, as usual, install a new edgy and then change repositories and update | 08:53 |
| chantra | geser: Adri2000 okie dokie | 08:53 |
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| chantra | okie, then, it is time for a new install :) | 08:54 |
| chantra | catch you later guys | 08:54 |
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| chantra | hi again | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | hi | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | chantra: btw, if there are important bug fixes we can try to backport the fixes themselves | 09:10 |
| luisbg | hey LaserJock | 09:10 |
| luisbg | are you in the summit= | 09:10 |
| luisbg | ? | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | not quite yet | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | I'm at my grandpa's house | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | which is half way there | 09:10 |
| chantra | LaserJock: you can see the changelogs there: http://kitone.free.fr/subtitleeditor/ | 09:11 |
| chantra | version 0.11 is said to be an important one :s | 09:11 |
| chantra | I've a package on my personnal repository for 0.11.1 | 09:11 |
| chantra | so it is ready to upload :) | 09:13 |
| luisbg | LaserJock, when does the summit start? | 09:18 |
| luisbg | LaserJock, lucky you you can be there... /me envies you | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | Sunday morning at 9:00am local time | 09:18 |
| luisbg | LaserJock, nice! will try to give a hand from here | 09:19 |
| luisbg | seams like a moment loads of work is going to be done | 09:19 |
| chantra | LaserJock: shall I upload subtitleeditor 0.11.1 to revu then? | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | chantra: you can upload whatever you want | 09:20 |
| chantra | :) what does this mean then? revu closed for feisty transition? | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | no | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | it's always open | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | I'm just saying you can upload whatever you want | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | it just doesn't mean it's going in right away or anything like that | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | chantra: what version does Debian have? | 09:22 |
| chantra | LaserJock: cheking ..... | 09:22 |
| chantra | 0.11-alpha1-1 alpha amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc on testing | 09:23 |
| chantra | 0.11-alpha2-2: alpha amd64 hppa i386 ia64 kfreebsd-i386 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc | 09:23 |
| chantra | 0.11-alpha1-1: arm m68k | 09:23 |
| chantra | on unstable | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | ok, so that will be in Feisty | 09:23 |
| chantra | okie dokie | 09:23 |
| luisbg | how do I create a mail list for an ubuntu team? | 09:24 |
| LaserJock | luisbg: you ask the list maintianer | 09:24 |
| chantra | (new edgy install done) well, gonna reboot and start moving to feisty | 09:24 |
| chantra | catch you guys | 09:24 |
| LaserJock | luisbg: not exactly sure who that is right now | 09:24 |
| luisbg | LaserJock, hmmm... how can I find out? | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | luisbg: Seveas would probably know | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | or the doc team | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | I just can't remember exactly | 09:26 |
| luisbg | ok cool | 09:26 |
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| Adri2000 | you can try mailman@lists.ubuntu.com, but not really sure where the mail will go ^^ | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | ah yeah | 09:27 |
| LaserJock | I just saw that | 09:27 |
| nixternal | luisbg: file an rt request | 09:30 |
| nixternal | mailman doens't get you far, nobody seems to answer it | 09:30 |
| luisbg | nixternal, how do I report that? | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | yeah, an rt is probably best | 09:33 |
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| luisbg | which sections are there in ubuntu? | 09:55 |
| luisbg | (to fill a section: file in a debian/control) | 09:55 |
| bddebian | Uhm, localegen isn't setting LC_ALL, should it? | 09:56 |
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| LaserJock | luisbg: go to packages.ubuntu.com or look in synaptic | 09:59 |
| luisbg | checked that first | 10:01 |
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| luisbg | but it seems there are a few sections missing | 10:01 |
| luisbg | especially creative stuff... an audio program where does it fall? | 10:01 |
| minghua | luisbg: look at other audio programs | 10:03 |
| minghua | luisbg: there is always the "utils" section to catch everything | 10:03 |
| luisbg | minghua, ok | 10:04 |
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| enyc | I would like to suggest the MOTU build a newer prboom package, likely based on that in debian now (2.4.5-based) or better 2.4.6 (more fixes) ;-) | 10:18 |
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| LaserJock | !info prboom | 10:21 |
| ubotu | prboom: clone of the legendary first person shooter Doom. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:2.2.6-3 (edgy), package size 364 kB, installed size 880 kB | 10:21 |
| ogra | how many doom clones are there now ? 100 ? | 10:22 |
| zul | probably.. | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | enyc: we automatically sync from Debian at the beginning of each development release | 10:23 |
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| enyc | LaserJock: hrrm kk... it must have 'just missed' update or something.. it could really do with updating to the 2.4.x series... which has the 'doom 1.91 demo timing hack' etc... | 10:33 |
| cyberix | I can't play official multiplayer games in Wesnoth because the Ubuntu version is outdated :-( | 10:34 |
| enyc | As debian have 2.4.5 now but fiesty still has 2.2.6 !! | 10:34 |
| enyc | It should be updated ;-) | 10:34 |
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| LaserJock | enyc: well, feisty universe hasn't been synced yet I don't think | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | we are just starting the Ubuntu Developer Summit | 10:35 |
| enyc | LaserJock: aah ok ;-) | 10:35 |
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| bddebian | Can't I force an overwrite with apt-get install? | 10:40 |
| bhale | bddebian: what kind of overwrite? | 10:41 |
| bhale | bddebian: --force-confmiss? | 10:41 |
| bddebian | bhale: I'm getting a conflicting file for libIV.so.1 | 10:41 |
| geser | apt seems to have no option to pass options to dpkg | 10:42 |
| geser | you have to call dpkg with the right force option | 10:42 |
| bddebian | I know there is a way to do it, I just can't freakin' remember | 10:42 |
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| cyberix | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wesnoth/+bug/70296 | 10:43 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 70296 in wesnoth "Can't join official multiplayer games" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 10:43 |
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| bddebian | bhale: Any idea? | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | cyberix: looks like you need version 1.1.11 :-) | 10:47 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 10:47 |
| cyberix | LaserJock: Who could have guessed ;-) | 10:47 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Hey, I've been so freakin' out of the loop. Where are we supposed to vote for the SRU stuff? | 10:48 |
| geser | bddebian: perhaps with apt-get -o DPkg::options="--force-overwrite" install | 10:48 |
| geser | if I read the several manpages correctly (I'm not quite sure about the syntax) | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: votes over | 10:48 |
| bddebian | Oh :-( | 10:49 |
| bddebian | geser: What's the -o for? | 10:49 |
| LaserJock | maybe | 10:49 |
| LaserJock | dholbach was supposed to pick the team Saturday | 10:49 |
| geser | -o, --option | 10:49 |
| geser | Set a Configuration Option; This will set an arbitary configura | 10:49 |
| geser | tion option. The syntax is -o Foo::Bar=bar. | 10:49 |
| geser | from man apt-get | 10:49 |
| cyberix | LaserJock: I'm worried about the newbies that get bad image of Ubuntu when this doesn't work. | 10:49 |
| LaserJock | cyberix: well, you can try to get a backport I suppose | 10:50 |
| geser | and man apt.conf writes something about the DPkg group | 10:50 |
| bddebian | Yeah, I was just doing that, thanks | 10:50 |
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| geser | bddebian: according to google it's Options instead of options and perhaps this helps you http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=95043 | 10:56 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 95043 in apt "apt-get ignores dpkg options set from command line" [Normal,Closed] | 10:56 |
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| bddebian | Joy | 10:57 |
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| bddebian | Rockin' thanks geser | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | heh | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to direct people to the hotel | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | brandon's called me 3 times today | 11:01 |
| bddebian | heh | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | they just called from somewhere in sunnyvale | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | thank goodness for google maps | 11:03 |
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| ogra | LaserJock, brandon ? | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | ogra: imbrandon | 11:04 |
| ogra | you meantseng is coming ? | 11:04 |
| ogra | ah | 11:04 |
| ogra | ok | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | he's with elkbuntu, ajmitch, lifeless, mpt, and infinity I think | 11:05 |
| ogra | i thought you meant bhale | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | no unfortunately I don't think he's comming | 11:06 |
| ogra | :( | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | ogra: are you at the sunnyvale hotel now? | 11:07 |
| ogra | LaserJock, nope, still in a conference room with jammcq and salneav here in sF | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | ah | 11:08 |
| ogra | we'll leave the room at 4:30pm, have dinner at a brazilian restaurant, pick up a minivan and head over | 11:09 |
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| ajmitch | hi | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: hi! | 11:09 |
| zul | hey ajmitch | 11:10 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 11:10 |
| zul | and LaserJock | 11:10 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: ah, so they must have found their way there.. | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: did you go separately? | 11:12 |
| ajmitch | no, but I got off the train in MV | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | oh yeah | 11:12 |
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| pygi | hello motus | 11:12 |
| zul | convient their is a liquor store across the street | 11:13 |
| pygi | will bug #2765 be addressed by you or should I assign to ubuntu burning team? | 11:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 2765 in cdrdao "Cannot scan availables devices" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/2765 | 11:13 |
| pygi | scanning entire bus is evil enough anyway! | 11:13 |
| ajmitch | zul: you've arrived? | 11:13 |
| zul | yep im sitting in my room trying not to nod off | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | heh | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | and you didn't even have a 12 hour flight | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | pygi: assign it to yourself if you are committed to working on it | 11:15 |
| zul | yeah i know but i usually dont get up at 3am in the morning on a a saturday | 11:15 |
| pygi | LaserJock: there is a functional patch, just checking was it included in edgy | 11:15 |
| pygi | LaserJock: the entire stuff is blury, dunno if we'll embrace cdrkit for feisty | 11:16 |
| zul | im so not use to this weather in november | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | pygi: well, when you have a debdiff you can subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 11:19 |
| pygi | LaserJock: ok, sure | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: when do you arrive? | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: not sure yet | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | driving tonight? | 11:23 |
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| bhale | ogra: i am not coming | 11:24 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: oh yeah | 11:24 |
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| LaserJock | ajmitch: probably in an hour or 3 ;-) | 11:24 |
| bhale | ogra: see you some other time | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: how long is the drive? | 11:24 |
| ogra | bhale, oh, thats really sad, i was hoping to see you there ... | 11:24 |
| bhale | :( sorry | 11:24 |
| bhale | i used my vacation on guadec | 11:25 |
| bhale | more fun i think | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: 3 hrs | 11:25 |
| ogra | yeah, indeed | 11:26 |
| LaserJock | how long is guadec? 1 week? | 11:26 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: that's short, I thought it'd be longer | 11:26 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: well, we drove 2 hrs last night to my grandpa's house | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | right | 11:27 |
| ryanakca | is this normal? "x11-common conflicts with xearth ( <= 1.1-10.2)" | 11:39 |
| ryanakca | do all games in main, universe or multiverse have to be installed to /usr/games ? and would it be a bug if they aren't? | 11:40 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: :D | 11:42 |
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| plugwash | [22:38] <ryanakca> is this normal? "x11-common conflicts with xearth ( <= 1.1-10.2)" <-- i think that has to do with the fact that /usr/X11R6 is now symlinked back to /usr, so older versions of everything for X have to be removed to allow that change to succeed | 11:43 |
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| crimsun | we shouldn't be installing stuff into /usr/X11R6/foo if that's what's being asked | 11:54 |
| crimsun | common culprit is installing into /usr/X11R6/bin, which will fubar the upgrade | 11:54 |
| theCore | is possible to run a feisty installation in chroot? | 11:55 |
| bhale | yes of course | 11:55 |
| theCore | and start Gnome with xnest? | 11:55 |
| bhale | yes. | 11:55 |
| theCore | cool | 11:56 |
| theCore | I need to do that | 11:56 |
| bhale | use xephyr not xnest | 11:56 |
| bhale | it supports xfixes, randr, nice things like this | 11:56 |
| bhale | fullscreen | 11:56 |
| theCore | bhale, thanks for the tip | 11:56 |
| theCore | so I run debootstrap to create the feisty install, then chroot it, but how do I launch X? | 11:57 |
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| theCore | like a normal installation? | 11:59 |
| bhale | launch xephr in the main host | 11:59 |
| bhale | in chroot | 11:59 |
| bhale | export DISPLAY="127.0.0.1:1" | 11:59 |
| bhale | gnome-session & | 12:00 |
| theCore | ok, thanks | 12:00 |
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