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Version 1.4.0-2 (edgy), package size 693 kB, installed size 2108 kB [12:32] It was autosynced, hence why it wasn't picked up. === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@137.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] yea [12:45] hey imbrandon [12:47] heya Hobbsee === CarlFK [n=carl@c-24-13-53-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-65-247.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] heya all [01:10] hey luisbg === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] how is all going Hobbsee ? [01:13] luisbg: good, continuing to install my new laptop [01:13] and then i should file some bugs, i guess [01:14] the bugs you find while installing your new laptop? [01:14] which laptop is it? === ToHellWithGA [n=ryan@c-71-199-159-222.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] dell 6400 [01:15] yeah, like the resolution bug, and some of the keys not working === bhale snuggles up to Hobbsee [01:15] actually, i think they're already filed - just nothing done about them yet [01:15] hey bhale :) === ToHellWithGA [n=ryan@c-71-199-159-222.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Oh] [01:16] dell makes great computers... when I had a pc laptop I had dell [01:17] what resolution bug? [01:17] i have all dell [01:17] hey bhale [01:17] luisbg: only gives 1024x768, not the native widescreen resolution [01:17] (1280x800) [01:17] Hobbsee, does the desktop look squished? [01:18] luisbg: it did, yeah [01:18] I have the same problem right now [01:18] and all my normal 1024x768 desktops look squished! hehe! [01:18] baught a new screen for my desktop pc, and it's a widescreen [01:18] and it looks squised vertically [01:18] s/squised/squished [01:19] tried to change the xorg.conf but that didn't work [01:19] did you got to fix it? [01:19] luisbg: what chipset? [01:19] Hobbsee, I'm using a ati radeon 9200 [01:19] with the ubuntu fglrx driver [01:19] ah, i know nothing about ati stuff. did you do the stuff in !xcfg [01:19] ? [01:20] which stuff? === Marsmensch [n=daniel@dslb-084-056-103-168.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] the stuff under ati [01:20] nope [01:20] guide me through plz... I would be infinitly thankful === ehazlett [n=ehazlett@adsl-68-249-111-224.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? [01:25] i didnt read it, i just saw it had a whole lot of stuff at the end about it === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] Hobbsee, lol [01:38] gonna reboot the x server... let's see how it work [01:38] s === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.145.211] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] Hobbsee, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg --- worked perfectly [01:45] =) [01:45] luisbg: :) i tried that before for mine, and that ditn fix it [01:47] know I'm in the hard task to choose my new resolution [01:47] new screen's resolution is like new year's resolution === luisbg realizes how bad his jokes are sometimes === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-56-75.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121pqe.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-47-137.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] pbuilder build gives me "cp: cannot create regular file `/usr//bin/driza-qt': Permission denied" : any ideas? === milc [n=milc@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] http://davyd.livejournal.com/199152.html # GNOME bugzilla applet [02:47] if only the Karma on LP is meaningful, then we can make a similar one [02:47] the Karma needs to stop bloody changing, like some secret sauce [02:47] that is clearly Marks influence === theCore_ [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ehazlett [n=ehazlett@adsl-68-249-111-224.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kozz_ [i=kozz@81-232-134-52-no22.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:32] where the heck is network manager? === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:34] LaserJock: network-manager-gnome? [05:35] well, I have it installed [05:35] but now I don't know what to do [05:35] I'm feeling stupid [05:35] it should be in your notification area [05:35] did you install -gnome or just n-m? === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-56-75.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:35] I think -gnome [05:35] what does it look like? [05:36] you have to add the applet to the taskbar [05:36] no, you shouldn't [05:36] Network Monitor? [05:36] unless it changed in the edgy cycle [05:36] you might need to logout and login [05:37] well, I have [05:37] I've had it installed forever [05:37] try rebooting [05:37] but I've never used it [05:37] have you got a notification area? [05:37] unless I have and didn't know it :/ [05:37] those can get removed accidentally [05:37] yeah, I have a notification area [05:37] I have 2 networking icons [05:38] one of those is nm [05:38] but nothing very useful for wifi [05:38] the one with the bars [05:38] click on them both [05:38] oh really [05:38] ya rly [05:38] hmm, I didn't know that was n-m [05:38] it's not very helpful [05:39] because it is just that integrate [05:39] +d [05:39] should it have a 5 page setup thingy like amarok [05:39] no [05:39] but it isn't helpful [05:39] would you like to us mysql[] or sqllite[] [05:39] its own is "just work" [05:39] I'm not sure what it's supposed to do [05:40] you click on it and choose your network [05:40] but it doesn't give me a choice [05:40] do you even know what to look for? [05:40] http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ [05:40] it should look like that screenshot [05:41] it totally doesn't though [05:41] it just shows the status of my connection [05:41] nothing exciting [05:41] remove that [05:41] you have two, you said? [05:41] one is the network thingy from gnome [05:41] the other is nm [05:42] yeah, they both seem equally useless [05:42] well, the gnome one seems more so [05:42] what do the icons look like? [05:42] can you paste bin a screenshot? [05:42] probably :-) === shenki [n=shenki@ppp85-177.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:45] bah [05:45] well there is one with the bar [05:45] which I'm assuming is n-m [05:45] no [05:45] nm has lots of bars [05:45] like that fracking cingular ad [05:45] oh === aBiNg [n=helo_aBi@221.6.29.75] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:49] LaserJock: ok, the icon has changed [05:49] you need the one with two screens and a small warning sign [05:49] black screens [05:49] click on that [05:49] it should bring up a menu [05:50] "No Network Devices Found" [05:51] then have you an n-m bug [05:51] oh, great [05:51] file it [05:51] I thought the gnome one was n-m [05:51] oops [05:51] no, no it is not [05:51] I was wondering what all the fuss was about === predius_ [n=predius@201.230.250.243] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] weird, I don't see a bug close to this on LP [05:54] you are certain you have the package network-manager-gnome installed? [05:54] not just network-manager [05:54] yeah [05:55] ii network-manager-gnome 0.6.3-2ubuntu6 [05:55] right [05:56] can you email me a screenshot of nm with its window open? [05:56] well, there isn't a window open [05:56] the drop down one [05:57] there isn't really anything there [05:57] it was just a single grey line with "No Network Device Found" [05:58] so I right-clicked and uncheck "Enable Networking" [05:58] and then re-enabled it [05:58] so now it has a single greyed out line that says "Wired Network" [05:58] ah [05:58] try the same for wireless [05:58] there is no wireless [05:58] right [05:59] are you plugged in? [05:59] to ethernet? [05:59] no [05:59] that is why [05:59] it isn't do anything becuase there is nothing to do [05:59] I have to have an ethernet cable plugged in? [05:59] you have no wireless and it can [05:59] t find an active wired card [05:59] but my wireless is working [06:00] then it is not finding your wireless [06:00] I'm talking to you right now [06:00] ok [06:00] what chipset? [06:00] not sure [06:00] Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC [06:00] and madwifi [06:01] is that a package? [06:01] the name of the atheros driver [06:01] known to be slightly crackish [06:01] I don't think so [06:02] I"m not sure what I'm looking for but I have no madwifi package or kernel module [06:02] ath_pci is your kernel module [06:03] ah yes, I do have that [06:03] hmm, i have a 5212 and it works great [06:03] when did you install nm? [06:03] LaserJock: i saw a gnome n-m presentation this week, and in ubuntu it required some configuration in edgy before it was up and rocking the way it should [06:03] Burgundavia: dapper I believe [06:03] nixternal: no, no it doesn't [06:03] sharms knows all about it, as it was him who gave a great presenation on it...it actually made me want it for KDE ;) [06:03] install, logout and login [06:04] nixternal: knetworkmanager [06:04] Burgundavia: he didn't logout after installing...and to knetworkmanager gahahahah ;) [06:04] did i say that out loud? [06:04] nm is the future, it just needs to work out a few bugs [06:04] hmm, how odd [06:05] my laptop isn't good enough to run it ;) [06:06] I wonder if I could remove n-m and reinstall it [06:06] I can't imagine that would help [06:08] brb === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:14] no luck [06:14] is there a place where n-m keeps configs [06:18] LaserJock: when do you arrive? [06:18] tomorrow some time [06:18] probably in the afternoon [06:18] I'm at my grandpa's now [06:19] discussing MS and Novell [06:19] ah ok :) [06:21] interestingly, my grandpa and uncle saw the MS/Novell story on TV [06:21] and said, "Wow, the Linux stuff must be taking over" [06:23] then they asked you when you were going to make some real money off it? [06:23] no [06:23] right [06:23] sure [06:23] they said, "This open source thing seems like the way of the future" [06:24] nice [06:24] all the sales people at Userful now firmly believe that if our stuff was open source we would be making more money [06:24] and these are not people who drink the koolaid like I do [06:24] interesting [06:25] I am curious about open source business models [06:25] it is all about support [06:25] that is essentially all we do currently [06:25] I saw an argument against Canonical about that though [06:25] what do you think RH makes it money off of? [06:25] that it was bad to have a business model around support [06:26] RH is almost entirely support [06:26] because the business is better when there is more problems [06:26] and their customers rave about it [06:26] I think I am going to blog "Eich ein RedHatters" [06:27] or something like that [06:28] heh [06:28] well, this open source is still a hobby for me [06:28] seriously, I now trust Novell a great deal less today [06:28] but there is an "Open Chemistry" movement that's interesting === Spec-[x] [n=dragonco@charon.devis.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:29] LaserJock: NM will ignore interfaces that have configuration in /etc/network/interfaces/ [06:29] *interfaces. [06:29] Fujitsu: ooohh [06:30] that could be [06:30] (just got back from re-stocking pond with fish) [06:30] Fujitsu: ah, hence why it just works on my edgy machine === pradeep [n=pradeep@59.92.48.121] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:30] hmm [06:30] Fujitsu: I think that patch got dropped [06:30] ok, so should there be *nothing* in interfaces about it [06:31] Burgundavia: What patch? [06:31] the patch to ignore stuff in /etc/network/interfaces [06:31] LaserJock: If there's anything at all in interfaces mentioning an interface, it'll ignore the interface. [06:31] Fujitsu: that is not true [06:31] oh ya, Fujitsu is right..that is exactly what sharms tweaked in order for NM to work ;) sorry i didn't remember that [06:31] Burgundavia: That's not a patch, that's an upstream feature.... [06:32] auto ath0 [06:32] iface ath0 inet dhcp <-- that part of my /etc/network/interfaces [06:32] and yet nm works fine [06:32] Burgundavia: Without that, you can't have any static interfaces. [06:32] Do you have a manually set SSID? [06:32] I do yes [06:33] It may be that which is doing it, though it's best to remove all lines referring to it. [06:33] do I need to reboot after getting rid of that? [06:33] or will logout do? [06:33] No, you'll need to /etc/init.d/networking restart. [06:34] Fujitsu: no, that ignore stuff is one of our patches [06:34] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_0.6.3-2ubuntu6/changelog [06:34] look at 6.2.2-2 [06:35] Ah, true. [06:35] But that patch is still there. [06:35] + /* If the interface isn't listed in /etc/network/interfaces then [06:35] + * it's considered okay to control it. [06:35] + */ [06:35] actually, if it isn't listed as auto, don't touch it [06:35] Ah. [06:35] Burgandavia: [06:35] + /* If the interface has no options other than just "inet dhcp" [06:35] + * it's probably ok to fiddle with it. [06:35] + */ [06:35] *Burgundavia [06:35] yes [06:35] That's why yours works. [06:35] yep [06:36] \o/ [06:36] nm is great and really should be the only networking tool on the ssystem [06:36] it, howver, isn't there yet [06:36] I just removed the ssid line in interfaces, leaving the rest [06:37] restarted networking [06:37] LaserJock: As long as it has no more than inet dhcp, it should work. [06:37] and re-enabled n-m [06:37] and it's all good [06:37] Good, good. [06:37] gotta get this thing ready for Google's Mt. View wifi :-) === lwylie [n=lwylie@ip72-197-157-51.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nsheridan [n=nsherida@86.43.4.68] has joined #ubuntu-motu === predius_ [n=predius@201.230.250.243] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:59] nothing like being at an airport at 5am to make you want to dig your eyes out with a rusty spoon [07:00] huzzah for oh-so-early-o-fucking-clock. and then your laptop battery dies :( [07:06] imbrandon: more evidence of a giant KDE conspiracy http://launchpad.net/bugs/70184 :) [07:06] Malone bug 70184 in meta-kde "Kde and kde applications make X crash " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [07:07] bah, he crashes X, not KDE ;) [07:07] nixternal: but KDE crashes X, not GNOME [07:07] reply with "Enjoy Xephyr" [07:07] clearly there are hidden KDE licensing restrictions imposed by Trolltech to prevent it :) [07:08] heh [07:08] of course, how long has Qt been GPLd now? [07:09] fully ? [07:09] you must be part of the conspiracy [07:09] of course I am [07:09] im the CLIT Commander [07:09] because denial implies collusion [07:09] hmm === imbrandon cant sleep [07:09] jay and silent bob own you, they are my 2nd in commands [07:09] imbrandon! [07:09] LaserJock: !! [07:10] LaserJock: heya i decided i'm going to take my other cell phone ? got a pen ? [07:10] it will get better coverage [07:10] lol === predius_ [n=predius@201.230.250.243] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:10] he kills me with that "got a pen" line [07:11] lol [07:11] imbrandon: [07:11] go for it [07:11] nixternal: I almost did it, that's the sad part [07:11] 1-816-810-3757 [07:11] lol [07:11] thats the phone i will be taking ^^ [07:11] the other drops calls too much [07:11] What a long phone number. [07:12] not as long as kwwii's Fujitsu [07:12] his is like 14 digits [07:12] or some crazy stuff [07:12] 01234567890142465 [07:12] thats my number === lwylie [n=lwylie@ip72-197-157-51.sd.sd.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:13] mine used to 445-5150 for van halen, then i got 445-1013 for sammy's bday, and now i can't remember my new one..like 3860 or some garbage [07:14] im apalled that he actually filed a bug report against meta-kde on that one..and the says "I'm using a multiterminal setup, using xephyr and evdev to use my computer as two."... [07:16] huh ? [07:16] man all this talk of nm , and i can never get that to work [07:16] it dont like my wireless card [07:16] :( [07:16] anybody know anything about bibus? [07:17] not i [07:18] it seems to be a pretty popular bibliography tool [07:18] you can use it with OO.o [07:18] but we don't have it in Ubuntu [07:18] and it looks like it's GPL [07:18] Is that professional or perfectionist? [07:18] ahh that would be why, i dont use OO.o [07:18] err [07:18] :) [07:18] wrong channel [07:19] nixternal: I sell multiseat all day. In fact, I use it at work [07:19] it is quite stable, but that implementation is not [07:19] im willing to bet he couldn't figure out where to file a bug for xephyr [07:20] Burgundavia: what are you and i going to do this week? we are mtv no-go's [07:20] grumble [07:20] be cynical [07:20] ya, same here [07:20] heh [07:20] get my boss to tell me I should "s** butterflies as a salesman" [07:20] i have to work in a few hours on a project, and then shoot to IIT to see the RMS talk [07:20] thats me and ajmitch's job :) [07:21] imbrandon: you ain't seen cynical until bhale and I get together [07:21] hahaha Burgundavia, i have never heard that term before, but i will use it from this point on [07:21] Burgundavia: hehe [07:21] apparently I am "too down", mostly 'cause I don't believe in the company I work for or the product I sell [07:22] ouch, yea that does suck [07:22] man i really should be asleep right now, i guess i'll try to sleep on the plane [07:23] lol, thats why i left my last job...oh wait, they made me leave === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === scotth [n=scotth@24-50-250-179.pittpa.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] i can't sleep on a plane...i want to know when im crashing ;) [07:24] i have to drink before i fly..otherwise im a wreck [07:24] bah there is nothing you can do [07:24] so might as well not know [07:24] lol [07:24] so... [07:24] im sure all the screaming will wake you up [07:24] I don't know how to drive, can someone pick me up when it's time to go on sunday? [07:25] my old man flies pretty much every week..i couldn't do it [07:25] Amaranth: a majoriy of americans don't know how to drive either, yet they do it daily [07:25] Amaranth: what hotel are you at >? [07:25] hehe [07:25] uh, let me get the name again [07:26] canonical should have gotten a group discount, and resold the rooms to people [07:26] Quality Inn & Suites - 5 Fairchild Drive , Mountain View, CA, US, 94043 [07:26] dunno my room number yet [07:27] cell phone is 712-899-4732 [07:27] ahh i thought you might be at the same hotel as us , hrm [07:27] couldn't [07:27] i dont know whos gonna be driving, not me [07:27] how far is it from google hq? call a cab last resort [07:28] 3 miles [07:29] I might be able to help out [07:29] I'm not crazy about driving [07:30] but I'll have a minivan [07:30] heh [07:30] and Amaranth is halfway between me and the UDS hotel [07:32] I'll be 1.6 miles from Google [07:32] Amaranth: when will you arrive? [07:33] LaserJock: plane lands at 11pm tomorrow night [07:33] I see [07:33] i can get to my hotel fine with caltrain and a short cab ride [07:33] just was hoping to get a ride instead of having to take a cab to go 3 miles :P [07:33] (for sunday) [07:38] does anybody know what building we are going to be at? [07:39] not i [07:40] I'm wondering how parking will be too for those of us that are driving [07:40] I suppose I can wander around the googleplex [07:40] but there's at least 4 buildings [07:40] i wouldn't complain about having to wonder around a bit ;) [07:40] you gotta be careful [07:40] err, wander [07:41] why are google's lawyers going to attack me? [07:41] it's not exactly a completely open source establishment, if you know what I mean [07:41] when I was there we had to sign all this stuff [07:41] and they had people watching us [07:41] nice [07:41] making sure we didn't wander out of the "designated" area [07:42] i just want to meet chris dibona and leslie hawthorn :P [07:42] they ran the summer of code [07:42] i'm owed a tour ;) [07:42] heh [07:43]