[12:31] <imbrandon> !info vdr
[12:31] <ubotu> vdr: Video Disk Recorder for DVB cards. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.4.0-2 (edgy), package size 693 kB, installed size 2108 kB
[12:32] <StevenK> It was autosynced, hence why it wasn't picked up.
[12:44] <imbrandon> yea
[12:45] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[12:47] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[01:10] <luisbg> heya all
[01:10] <Hobbsee> hey luisbg
[01:11] <luisbg> how is all going Hobbsee ?
[01:13] <Hobbsee> luisbg: good, continuing to install my new laptop
[01:13] <Hobbsee> and then i should file some bugs, i guess
[01:14] <luisbg> the bugs you find while installing your new laptop?
[01:14] <luisbg> which laptop is it?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> dell 6400
[01:15] <Hobbsee> yeah, like the resolution bug, and some of the keys not working
[01:15] <Hobbsee> actually, i think they're already filed - just nothing done about them yet
[01:15] <Hobbsee> hey bhale :)
[01:16] <luisbg> dell makes great computers... when I had a pc laptop I had dell
[01:17] <luisbg> what resolution bug?
[01:17] <bhale> i have all dell
[01:17] <luisbg> hey bhale
[01:17] <Hobbsee> luisbg: only gives 1024x768, not the native widescreen resolution
[01:17] <Hobbsee> (1280x800)
[01:17] <luisbg> Hobbsee, does the desktop look squished?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> luisbg: it did, yeah
[01:18] <luisbg> I have the same problem right now
[01:18] <Hobbsee> and all my normal 1024x768 desktops look squished!  hehe!
[01:18] <luisbg> baught a new screen for my desktop pc, and it's a widescreen
[01:18] <luisbg> and it looks squised vertically
[01:18] <luisbg> s/squised/squished
[01:19] <luisbg> tried to change the xorg.conf but that didn't work
[01:19] <luisbg> did you got to fix it?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> luisbg: what chipset?
[01:19] <luisbg> Hobbsee, I'm using a ati radeon 9200
[01:19] <luisbg> with the ubuntu fglrx driver
[01:19] <Hobbsee> ah, i know nothing about ati stuff.  did you do the stuff in !xcfg
[01:19] <Hobbsee> ?
[01:20] <luisbg> which stuff?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> the stuff under ati
[01:20] <luisbg> nope
[01:20] <luisbg> guide me through plz... I would be infinitly thankful
[01:22] <luisbg> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> i didnt read it, i just saw it had a whole lot of stuff at the end about it
[01:38] <luisbg> Hobbsee, lol
[01:38] <luisbg> gonna reboot the x server... let's see how it work
[01:38] <luisbg> s
[01:43] <luisbg> Hobbsee, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg --- worked perfectly
[01:45] <luisbg> =)
[01:45] <Hobbsee> luisbg: :)  i tried that before for mine, and that ditn fix it
[01:47] <luisbg> know I'm in the hard task to choose my new resolution
[01:47] <luisbg> new screen's resolution is like new year's resolution
[02:41] <luisbg> pbuilder build gives me "cp: cannot create regular file `/usr//bin/driza-qt': Permission denied" : any ideas?
[02:46] <minghua> http://davyd.livejournal.com/199152.html  # GNOME bugzilla applet
[02:47] <minghua> if only the Karma on LP is meaningful, then we can make a similar one
[02:47] <Burgwork> the Karma needs to stop bloody changing, like some secret sauce
[02:47] <Burgwork> that is clearly Marks influence
[05:32] <LaserJock> where the heck is network manager?
[05:34] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: network-manager-gnome?
[05:35] <LaserJock> well, I have it installed
[05:35] <LaserJock> but now I don't know what to do
[05:35] <LaserJock> I'm feeling stupid
[05:35] <Burgundavia> it should be in your notification area
[05:35] <Burgundavia> did you install -gnome or just n-m?
[05:35] <LaserJock> I think -gnome
[05:35] <LaserJock> what does it look like?
[05:36] <bmonty> you have to add the applet to the taskbar
[05:36] <Burgundavia> no, you shouldn't
[05:36] <LaserJock> Network Monitor?
[05:36] <Burgundavia> unless it changed in the edgy cycle
[05:36] <Burgundavia> you might need to logout and login
[05:37] <LaserJock> well, I have
[05:37] <LaserJock> I've had it installed forever
[05:37] <Burgundavia> try rebooting
[05:37] <LaserJock> but I've never used it
[05:37] <Burgundavia> have you got a notification area?
[05:37] <LaserJock> unless I have and didn't know it :/
[05:37] <Burgundavia> those can get removed accidentally
[05:37] <LaserJock> yeah, I have a notification area
[05:37] <LaserJock> I have 2 networking icons
[05:38] <Burgundavia> one of those is nm
[05:38] <LaserJock> but nothing very useful for wifi
[05:38] <Burgundavia> the one with the bars
[05:38] <Burgundavia> click on them both
[05:38] <LaserJock> oh really
[05:38] <Burgundavia> ya rly
[05:38] <LaserJock> hmm, I didn't know that was n-m
[05:38] <LaserJock> it's not very helpful
[05:39] <Burgundavia> because it is just that integrate
[05:39] <Burgundavia> +d
[05:39] <Burgundavia> should it have a 5 page setup thingy like amarok
[05:39] <LaserJock> no
[05:39] <LaserJock> but it isn't helpful
[05:39] <Burgundavia> would you like to us mysql[]  or sqllite[] 
[05:39] <Burgundavia> its own is "just work"
[05:39] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what it's supposed to do
[05:40] <Burgundavia> you click on it and choose your network
[05:40] <LaserJock> but it doesn't give me a choice
[05:40] <Burgundavia> do you even know what to look for?
[05:40] <Burgundavia> http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/
[05:40] <Burgundavia> it should look like that screenshot
[05:41] <LaserJock> it totally doesn't though
[05:41] <LaserJock> it just shows the status of my connection
[05:41] <LaserJock> nothing exciting
[05:41] <Burgundavia> remove that
[05:41] <Burgundavia> you have two, you said?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> one is the network thingy from gnome
[05:41] <Burgundavia> the other is nm
[05:42] <LaserJock> yeah, they both seem equally useless
[05:42] <LaserJock> well, the gnome one seems more so
[05:42] <Burgundavia> what do the icons look like?
[05:42] <Burgundavia> can you paste bin a screenshot?
[05:42] <LaserJock> probably :-)
[05:45] <LaserJock> bah
[05:45] <LaserJock> well there is one with the bar
[05:45] <LaserJock> which I'm assuming is n-m
[05:45] <Burgundavia> no
[05:45] <Burgundavia> nm has lots of bars
[05:45] <Burgundavia> like that fracking cingular ad
[05:45] <LaserJock> oh
[05:49] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: ok, the icon has changed
[05:49] <Burgundavia> you need the one with two screens and a small warning sign
[05:49] <Burgundavia> black screens
[05:49] <Burgundavia> click on that
[05:49] <Burgundavia> it should bring up a menu
[05:50] <LaserJock> "No Network Devices Found"
[05:51] <Burgundavia> then have you an n-m bug
[05:51] <LaserJock> oh, great
[05:51] <Burgundavia> file it
[05:51] <LaserJock> I thought the gnome one was n-m
[05:51] <LaserJock> oops
[05:51] <Burgundavia> no, no it is not
[05:51] <LaserJock> I was wondering what all the fuss was about
[05:53] <LaserJock> weird, I don't see a bug close to this on LP
[05:54] <Burgundavia> you are certain you have the package network-manager-gnome installed?
[05:54] <Burgundavia> not just network-manager
[05:54] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:55] <LaserJock> ii  network-manager-gnome                  0.6.3-2ubuntu6
[05:55] <Burgundavia> right
[05:56] <Burgundavia> can you email me a screenshot of nm with its window open?
[05:56] <LaserJock> well, there isn't a window open
[05:56] <Burgundavia> the drop down one
[05:57] <LaserJock> there isn't really anything there
[05:57] <LaserJock> it was just a single grey line with "No Network Device Found"
[05:58] <LaserJock> so I right-clicked and uncheck "Enable Networking"
[05:58] <LaserJock> and then re-enabled it
[05:58] <LaserJock> so now it has a single greyed out line that says "Wired Network"
[05:58] <Burgundavia> ah
[05:58] <Burgundavia> try the same for wireless
[05:58] <LaserJock> there is no wireless
[05:58] <Burgundavia> right
[05:59] <Burgundavia> are you plugged in?
[05:59] <LaserJock> to ethernet?
[05:59] <LaserJock> no
[05:59] <Burgundavia> that is why
[05:59] <Burgundavia> it isn't do anything becuase there is nothing to do
[05:59] <LaserJock> I have to have an ethernet cable plugged in?
[05:59] <Burgundavia> you have no wireless and it can
[05:59] <Burgundavia> t find an active wired card
[05:59] <LaserJock> but my wireless is working
[06:00] <Burgundavia> then it is not finding your wireless
[06:00] <LaserJock> I'm talking to you right now
[06:00] <LaserJock> ok
[06:00] <Burgundavia> what chipset?
[06:00] <LaserJock> not sure
[06:00] <LaserJock> Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC
[06:00] <Burgundavia> and madwifi
[06:01] <LaserJock> is that a package?
[06:01] <Burgundavia> the name of the atheros driver
[06:01] <Burgundavia> known to be slightly crackish
[06:01] <LaserJock> I don't think so
[06:02] <LaserJock> I"m not sure what I'm looking for but I have no madwifi package or kernel module
[06:02] <Burgundavia> ath_pci is your kernel module
[06:03] <LaserJock> ah yes, I do have that
[06:03] <Burgundavia> hmm, i have a 5212 and it works great
[06:03] <Burgundavia> when did you install nm?
[06:03] <nixternal> LaserJock: i saw a gnome n-m presentation this week, and in ubuntu it required some configuration in edgy before it was up and rocking the way it should
[06:03] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: dapper I believe
[06:03] <Burgundavia> nixternal: no, no it doesn't
[06:03] <nixternal> sharms knows all about it, as it was him who gave a great presenation on it...it actually made me want it for KDE ;)
[06:03] <Burgundavia> install, logout and login
[06:04] <Burgundavia> nixternal: knetworkmanager
[06:04] <nixternal> Burgundavia: he didn't logout after installing...and to knetworkmanager gahahahah ;)
[06:04] <nixternal> did i say that out loud?
[06:04] <Burgundavia> nm is the future, it just needs to work out a few bugs
[06:04] <LaserJock> hmm, how odd
[06:05] <nixternal> my laptop isn't good enough to run it ;)
[06:06] <LaserJock> I wonder if I could remove n-m and reinstall it
[06:06] <LaserJock> I can't imagine that would help
[06:08] <LaserJock> brb
[06:14] <LaserJock> no luck
[06:14] <LaserJock> is there a place where n-m keeps configs
[06:18] <joejaxx> LaserJock: when do you arrive?
[06:18] <LaserJock> tomorrow some time
[06:18] <LaserJock> probably in the afternoon
[06:18] <LaserJock> I'm at my grandpa's now
[06:19] <LaserJock> discussing MS and Novell
[06:19] <joejaxx> ah ok :)
[06:21] <LaserJock> interestingly, my grandpa and uncle saw the MS/Novell story on TV
[06:21] <LaserJock> and said, "Wow, the Linux stuff must be taking over"
[06:23] <Burgundavia> then they asked you when you were going to make some real money off it?
[06:23] <LaserJock> no
[06:23] <Burgundavia> right
[06:23] <Burgundavia> sure
[06:23] <LaserJock> they said, "This open source thing seems like the way of the future"
[06:24] <Burgundavia> nice
[06:24] <Burgundavia> all the sales people at Userful now firmly believe that if our stuff was open source we would be making more money
[06:24] <Burgundavia> and these are not people who drink the koolaid like I do
[06:24] <LaserJock> interesting
[06:25] <LaserJock> I am curious about open source business models
[06:25] <Burgundavia> it is all about support
[06:25] <Burgundavia> that is essentially all we do currently
[06:25] <LaserJock> I saw an argument against Canonical about that though
[06:25] <Burgundavia> what do you think RH makes it money off of?
[06:25] <LaserJock> that it was bad to have a business model around support
[06:26] <Burgundavia> RH is almost entirely support
[06:26] <LaserJock> because the business is better when there is more problems
[06:26] <Burgundavia> and their customers rave about it
[06:26] <Burgundavia> I think I am going to blog "Eich ein RedHatters"
[06:27] <Burgundavia> or something like that
[06:28] <LaserJock> heh
[06:28] <LaserJock> well, this open source is still a hobby for me
[06:28] <Burgundavia> seriously, I now trust Novell a great deal less today
[06:28] <LaserJock> but there is an "Open Chemistry" movement that's interesting
[06:29] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: NM will ignore interfaces that have configuration in /etc/network/interfaces/
[06:29] <Fujitsu> *interfaces.
[06:29] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: ooohh
[06:30] <LaserJock> that could be
[06:30] <Fujitsu> (just got back from re-stocking pond with fish)
[06:30] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: ah, hence why it just works on my edgy machine
[06:30] <Burgundavia> hmm
[06:30] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: I think that patch got dropped
[06:30] <LaserJock> ok, so should there be *nothing* in interfaces about it
[06:31] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia: What patch?
[06:31] <Burgundavia> the patch to ignore stuff in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:31] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: If there's anything at all in interfaces mentioning an interface, it'll ignore the interface.
[06:31] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: that is not true
[06:31] <nixternal> oh ya, Fujitsu is right..that is exactly what sharms tweaked in order for NM to work ;) sorry i didn't remember that
[06:31] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia: That's not a patch, that's an upstream feature....
[06:32] <Burgundavia> auto ath0
[06:32] <Burgundavia> iface ath0 inet dhcp <-- that part of my /etc/network/interfaces
[06:32] <Burgundavia> and yet nm works fine
[06:32] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia: Without that, you can't have any static interfaces.
[06:32] <Fujitsu> Do you have a manually set SSID?
[06:32] <LaserJock> I do yes
[06:33] <Fujitsu> It may be that which is doing it, though it's best to remove all lines referring to it.
[06:33] <LaserJock> do I need to reboot after getting rid of that?
[06:33] <LaserJock> or will logout do?
[06:33] <Fujitsu> No, you'll need to /etc/init.d/networking restart.
[06:34] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: no, that ignore stuff is one of our patches
[06:34] <Burgundavia> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_0.6.3-2ubuntu6/changelog
[06:34] <Burgundavia> look at 6.2.2-2
[06:35] <Fujitsu> Ah, true.
[06:35] <Fujitsu> But that patch is still there.
[06:35] <Fujitsu> +       /* If the interface isn't listed in /etc/network/interfaces then
[06:35] <Fujitsu> +        * it's considered okay to control it.
[06:35] <Fujitsu> +        */
[06:35] <Burgundavia> actually, if it isn't listed as auto, don't touch it
[06:35] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[06:35] <Fujitsu> Burgandavia:
[06:35] <Fujitsu> +       /* If the interface has no options other than just "inet dhcp"
[06:35] <Fujitsu> +        * it's probably ok to fiddle with it.
[06:35] <Fujitsu> +        */
[06:35] <Fujitsu> *Burgundavia
[06:35] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:35] <Fujitsu> That's why yours works.
[06:35] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:36] <LaserJock> \o/
[06:36] <Burgundavia> nm is great and really should be the only networking tool on the ssystem
[06:36] <Burgundavia> it, howver, isn't there yet
[06:36] <LaserJock> I just removed the ssid line in interfaces, leaving the rest
[06:37] <LaserJock> restarted networking
[06:37] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: As long as it has no more than inet dhcp, it should work.
[06:37] <LaserJock> and re-enabled n-m
[06:37] <LaserJock> and it's all good
[06:37] <Fujitsu> Good, good.
[06:37] <LaserJock> gotta get this thing ready for Google's Mt. View wifi :-)
[06:59] <dredg> nothing like being at an airport at 5am to make you want to dig your eyes out with a rusty spoon
[07:00] <dredg> huzzah for oh-so-early-o-fucking-clock. and then your laptop battery dies :(
[07:06] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: more evidence of a giant KDE conspiracy http://launchpad.net/bugs/70184 :)
[07:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70184 in meta-kde "Kde and kde applications make X crash " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[07:07] <nixternal> bah, he crashes X, not KDE ;)
[07:07] <Burgundavia> nixternal: but KDE crashes X, not GNOME
[07:07] <nixternal> reply with "Enjoy Xephyr"
[07:07] <Burgundavia> clearly there are hidden KDE licensing restrictions imposed by Trolltech to prevent it :)
[07:08] <LaserJock> heh
[07:08] <nixternal> of course, how long has Qt been GPLd now?
[07:09] <imbrandon> fully ?
[07:09] <Burgundavia> you must be part of the conspiracy
[07:09] <nixternal> of course I am
[07:09] <nixternal> im the CLIT Commander
[07:09] <Burgundavia> because denial implies collusion
[07:09] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:09] <nixternal> jay and silent bob own you, they are my 2nd in commands
[07:09] <LaserJock> imbrandon!
[07:09] <imbrandon> LaserJock: !!
[07:10] <imbrandon> LaserJock: heya i decided i'm going to take my other cell phone ? got a pen ?
[07:10] <imbrandon> it will get better coverage
[07:10] <nixternal> lol
[07:10] <nixternal> he kills me with that "got a pen" line
[07:11] <imbrandon> lol
[07:11] <LaserJock> imbrandon:
[07:11] <LaserJock> go for it
[07:11] <LaserJock> nixternal: I almost did it, that's the sad part
[07:11] <imbrandon> 1-816-810-3757
[07:11] <imbrandon> lol
[07:11] <imbrandon> thats the phone i will be taking ^^
[07:11] <imbrandon> the other drops calls too much
[07:11] <Fujitsu> What a long phone number.
[07:12] <imbrandon> not as long as kwwii's Fujitsu
[07:12] <imbrandon> his is like 14 digits
[07:12] <imbrandon> or some crazy stuff
[07:12] <nixternal> 01234567890142465
[07:12] <nixternal> thats my number
[07:13] <nixternal> mine used to 445-5150 for van halen, then i got 445-1013 for sammy's bday, and now i can't remember my new one..like 3860 or some garbage
[07:14] <nixternal> im apalled that he actually filed a bug report against meta-kde on that one..and the says "I'm using a multiterminal setup, using xephyr and evdev to use my computer as two."...
[07:16] <imbrandon> huh ?
[07:16] <imbrandon> man all this talk of nm , and i can never get that to work
[07:16] <imbrandon> it dont like my wireless card
[07:16] <imbrandon> :(
[07:16] <LaserJock> anybody know anything about bibus?
[07:17] <imbrandon> not i
[07:18] <LaserJock> it seems to be a pretty popular bibliography tool
[07:18] <LaserJock> you can use it with OO.o
[07:18] <LaserJock> but we don't have it in Ubuntu
[07:18] <LaserJock> and it looks like it's GPL
[07:18] <predius_> Is that professional or perfectionist?
[07:18] <imbrandon> ahh that would be why, i dont use OO.o
[07:18] <predius_> err
[07:18] <imbrandon> :)
[07:18] <predius_> wrong channel
[07:19] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I sell multiseat all day. In fact, I use it at work
[07:19] <Burgundavia> it is quite stable, but that implementation is not
[07:19] <nixternal> im willing to bet he couldn't figure out where to file a bug for xephyr
[07:20] <nixternal> Burgundavia: what are you and i going to do this week?  we are mtv no-go's
[07:20] <Burgundavia> grumble
[07:20] <Burgundavia> be cynical
[07:20] <nixternal> ya, same here
[07:20] <imbrandon> heh
[07:20] <Burgundavia> get my boss to tell me I should "s** butterflies as a salesman"
[07:20] <nixternal> i have to work in a few hours on a project, and then shoot to IIT to see the RMS talk
[07:20] <imbrandon> thats me and ajmitch's job :)
[07:21] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: you ain't seen cynical until bhale and I get together
[07:21] <nixternal> hahaha Burgundavia, i have never heard that term before, but i will use it from this point on
[07:21] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: hehe
[07:21] <Burgundavia> apparently I am "too down", mostly 'cause I don't believe in the company I work for or the product I sell
[07:22] <imbrandon> ouch, yea that does suck
[07:22] <imbrandon> man i really should be asleep right now, i guess i'll try to sleep on the plane
[07:23] <nixternal> lol, thats why i left my last job...oh wait, they made me leave
[07:24] <nixternal> i can't sleep on a plane...i want to know when im crashing ;)
[07:24] <nixternal> i have to drink before i fly..otherwise im a wreck
[07:24] <imbrandon> bah there is nothing you can do
[07:24] <imbrandon> so might as well not know
[07:24] <nixternal> lol
[07:24] <Amaranth> so...
[07:24] <nixternal> im sure all the screaming will wake you up
[07:24] <Amaranth> I don't know how to drive, can someone pick me up when it's time to go on sunday?
[07:25] <nixternal> my old man flies pretty much every week..i couldn't do it
[07:25] <nixternal> Amaranth: a majoriy of americans don't know how to drive either, yet they do it daily
[07:25] <imbrandon> Amaranth: what hotel are you at >?
[07:25] <Amaranth> hehe
[07:25] <Amaranth> uh, let me get the name again
[07:26] <nixternal> canonical should have gotten a group discount, and resold the rooms to people
[07:26] <Amaranth> Quality Inn & Suites - 5 Fairchild Drive , Mountain View, CA, US, 94043
[07:26] <Amaranth> dunno my room number yet
[07:27] <Amaranth> cell phone is 712-899-4732
[07:27] <imbrandon> ahh i thought you might be at the same hotel as us , hrm
[07:27] <Amaranth> couldn't
[07:27] <imbrandon> i dont know whos gonna be driving, not me
[07:27] <imbrandon> how far is it from google hq? call a cab last resort
[07:28] <Amaranth> 3 miles
[07:29] <LaserJock> I might be able to help out
[07:29] <LaserJock> I'm not crazy about driving
[07:30] <LaserJock> but I'll have a minivan
[07:30] <Amaranth> heh
[07:30] <LaserJock> and Amaranth is halfway between me and the UDS hotel
[07:32] <LaserJock> I'll be 1.6 miles from Google
[07:32] <LaserJock> Amaranth: when will you arrive?
[07:33] <Amaranth> LaserJock: plane lands at 11pm tomorrow night
[07:33] <LaserJock> I see
[07:33] <Amaranth> i can get to my hotel fine with caltrain and a short cab ride
[07:33] <Amaranth> just was hoping to get a ride instead of having to take a cab to go 3 miles :P
[07:33] <Amaranth> (for sunday)
[07:38] <LaserJock> does anybody know what building we are going to be at?
[07:39] <Amaranth> not i
[07:40] <LaserJock> I'm wondering how parking will be too for those of us that are driving
[07:40] <LaserJock> I suppose I can wander around the googleplex
[07:40] <LaserJock> but there's at least 4 buildings
[07:40] <Amaranth> i wouldn't complain about having to wonder around a bit ;)
[07:40] <LaserJock> you gotta be careful
[07:40] <Amaranth> err, wander
[07:41] <Amaranth> why are google's lawyers going to attack me?
[07:41] <LaserJock> it's not exactly a completely open source establishment, if you know what I mean
[07:41] <LaserJock> when I was there we had to sign all this stuff
[07:41] <LaserJock> and they had people watching us
[07:41] <Amaranth> nice
[07:41] <LaserJock> making sure we didn't wander out of the "designated" area
[07:42] <Amaranth> i just want to meet chris dibona and leslie hawthorn :P
[07:42] <Amaranth> they ran the summer of code
[07:42] <Amaranth> i'm owed a tour ;)
[07:42] <LaserJock> heh
[07:43] <LaserJock> are we using ekiga? does anybody know
[07:44] <Burgundavia> they are using SIP
[07:45] <Burgundavia> there is a page on the wiki
[07:45] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:45] <imbrandon> ekiga is a sip client iirc
[07:46] <imbrandon> never used it though
[07:47] <Amaranth> don't suppose anyone here has an ipod?
[07:47] <imbrandon> i do
[07:47] <imbrandon> 4gig nano
[07:47] <imbrandon> i got mine
[07:48] <Amaranth> :)
[07:48] <tritium> Amaranth: are you already in MV?
[07:48] <Amaranth> no
[07:48] <Amaranth> i came to omaha today so i can catch my flight tomorrow
[07:48] <Amaranth> staying at my grandparents'
[07:48] <tritium> ah
[07:48] <imbrandon> omaha ne?
[07:49] <Amaranth> yep
[07:49] <imbrandon> thats not far from me
[07:49] <imbrandon> :)
[07:49] <imbrandon> cupple hours
[07:49] <Amaranth> my uncle comes here every weekday for work, caught a ride with him
[07:50] <Amaranth> i live in sioux city iowa
[07:50] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:50] <Burgundavia> Amaranth's ticket was cheap, hence why he got to go via my credit card
[07:50] <imbrandon> i'm in KC
[07:50] <imbrandon> nice
[07:50] <imbrandon> seems more people were sponsored by a community member this time
[07:51] <imbrandon> that cool
[07:51] <imbrandon> +s
[07:51] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[07:51] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[07:51] <Burgundavia> I wish I could sponsor a few more, but the details didn't quite get worked out (not my money, for them)
[07:51] <imbrandon> ahh :)
[07:51] <imbrandon> still cool
[07:52] <imbrandon> if canonical dident sponsor me i wouldent have been able to go
[07:52] <StevenK> (If I decide I want to/can go)
[07:52] <imbrandon> heya StevenK
[07:53] <Burgundavia> StevenK: whom do you work for?
[07:54] <StevenK> Ursys, we make small satellite routers based on Debian.
[07:54] <Burgundavia> I am certain you could
[07:54] <StevenK> However, a lot of people around the office use Ubuntu.
[08:07] <nixternal> oh wow, sun is going to be at UDS on Monday to announce the certification for Ubuntu on their x86 servers, and to announce the details of their partnership
[08:08] <nixternal> Ubuntu and Gentoo are the only Linux distros on board with Sun..interesting
[08:09] <tritium> Where did you read this, nixternal ?
[08:09] <LaserJock> ahh, my 2 favorites ;-)
[08:09] <nixternal> linked on lxer
[08:09] <nixternal> check out http://www.redhat.com
[08:09] <nixternal> look at their new banner ;)
[08:10] <Burgundavia> red hat rocks, I have to say
[08:10] <nixternal> ditto Burgundavia
[08:11] <Burgundavia> as a corporation, they should still be mistrusted
[08:11] <nixternal> i really like the fact they aren't being PC, and that they are showing a spine
[08:11] <Burgundavia> but they are making all the right moves
[08:12] <nixternal> Microsoft and Novell: Fox marries chicken, both move into henhouse
[08:12] <nixternal> hahahahahaha
[08:14] <LaserJock> I don't really understand what they MS/Novell thing really is
[08:14] <Burgundavia> Novell hoping to buy peace
[08:15] <Burgundavia> and hoping to get into a few more server rooms
[08:15] <nixternal> personally, it is the middle finger to the Linux community
[08:15] <LaserJock> why are they afraid of MS?
[08:15] <StevenK> Novell are going nowhere near my server rooms, at home or work.
[08:15] <LaserJock> why do they need to buy peace
[08:15] <nixternal> i mean come on, Microsoft is selling Linux Support?
[08:15] <Burgundavia> because every major tech company violates every other major tech companies patents
[08:15] <Burgundavia> every last one
[08:15] <LaserJock> oh
[08:16] <LaserJock> ok
[08:16] <Burgundavia> most have cross licensing deals
[08:16] <Burgundavia> so none of these patents get tested in court
[08:16] <nixternal> oh, and lets not forget the $600m USD default Novell is a part of, which in fact they were in jeopardy of lossing their stock, but oh guess what, the SEC says they are safe now, even though they still owe $600m
[08:16] <Burgundavia> and one of the tests that the courts use is "has somebody paid you for it"
[08:22] <LaserJock> sweet, I've got an ekiga account now
[08:22] <LaserJock> not sure what I'm going to do with it
[08:22] <LaserJock> but I've got it :-)
[08:22] <nixternal> hmm
[08:23] <nixternal> kde don't have ekiga, but it is planned to have a substitue for 7.04
[08:28] <Burgundavia> they have SIP clients
[08:28] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate/Ekiga
[08:29] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate/KPhone
[08:29] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate/SIP
[09:32] <siretart> is anyone able to reach 6701@canonical.com?
[09:34] <Burgundavia> siretart: nope, but jsgotangco is playing with it
[09:35] <jsgotangco> it doesn't seem to ring
[09:35] <jsgotangco> i thought it was my audio settings but i had skype do a callback so nothing seems wrong with my audio
[09:36] <MehdiHassanpour> hey all
[09:36] <MehdiHassanpour> I'm Mehdi from Iranian LoCo Team
[09:36] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:37] <MehdiHassanpour> we have an English To Persian dictionary and would like to have it's packages in Ubuntu's multiverse repo
[09:37] <MehdiHassanpour> this is the only and first English to Persian dic we have on linuces
[09:38] <MehdiHassanpour> I need some help if this is possible...
[09:38] <jsgotangco> why multiverse?
[09:39] <MehdiHassanpour> where can we have it ?
[09:40] <crimsun> if its license is Free, then it should go into universe
[09:40] <MehdiHassanpour> we have it on Parsix repos too but would like to make it easier for ubuntu users using and updating...
[09:42] <MehdiHassanpour> ?
[09:43] <Burgundavia> MehdiHassanpour: what license is our stuff under?
[09:43] <MehdiHassanpour> we would like to make it easier for ubuntu users installing and updating
[09:43] <MehdiHassanpour> GPL
[09:43] <Burgundavia> then it can go in universe, unless there are any patent or trademark issues with it
[09:45] <MehdiHassanpour> good
[09:46] <MehdiHassanpour> what is the process? how should I do that ?
[09:46] <MehdiHassanpour> we have it on Parsix Gnu/Linux too, the license is GPL and sourceforge has hosted the project
[09:47] <Burgundavia> do you have debian source packages already prepared?
[09:48] <MehdiHassanpour> yep
[09:48] <MehdiHassanpour> this is the deb package
[09:48] <MehdiHassanpour> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/xfardic/xfardic_0.8.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb?download
[09:50] <Burgundavia> do you have soure pages? .dsc, .orig.tar.gz, etc.?
[09:51] <MehdiHassanpour> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/xfardic/xfardic-0.8.0-src.tar.gz?download
[09:51] <MehdiHassanpour> this is the source package
[09:52] <Burgundavia> crimsun: want to save me?
[09:53] <crimsun> MehdiHassanpour: hmm, that's just the orig.tar.gz
[09:54] <crimsun> MehdiHassanpour: where're the dsc and diff.gz?
[09:55] <crimsun> MehdiHassanpour: how was the deb generated?
[09:55] <MehdiHassanpour> you can find all packages here
[09:55] <MehdiHassanpour> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xfardic
[09:56] <MehdiHassanpour> we have generated it Iranian debian, parsix, ubuntu users...
[09:56] <MehdiHassanpour> we have rpm packages too
[09:58] <crimsun> ah, you meant debian-xfardic in svn
[09:58] <crimsun> ok, what you need to do is generate a proper source package (source-only, no binaries), and upload the source package to REVU (see the topic)
[09:59] <MehdiHassanpour> we don't have it on Debian repos
[09:59] <crimsun> sorry, what does that mean?
[10:00] <crimsun> [I'm referring to http://xfardic.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xfardic/debian-xfardic/ ] 
[10:00] <MehdiHassanpour> ok, yes
[10:05] <MehdiHassanpour> ok, so I will upload source packages to REVU
[10:06] <MehdiHassanpour> then who will create ubuntu binary packges for universe ?
[10:06] <crimsun> the buildds will.
[10:06] <crimsun> we only upload source packages. The buildd infrastructure takes care of the rest.
[10:07] <crimsun> before your source package can be uploaded to Ubuntu, however, it needs approval from 2 MOTU on REVU.
[10:08] <MehdiHassanpour> so I should ask MOTU to accept the package too
[10:08] <crimsun> no, we'll review it on REVU
[10:09] <crimsun> (peer review)
[10:10] <MehdiHassanpour> thanks
[10:11] <crimsun> np. 'morning, gauvain
[10:12] <Gloubiboulga> hello Daniel
[10:12] <MehdiHassanpour> I joined the team REVU team in launchpad, sorry where should I upload packages ?
[10:14] <crimsun> MehdiHassanpour: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU ?
[10:16] <MehdiHassanpour> nope, ty :)
[10:57] <crimsun> it's a shame #ubuntu is turning into {#,}#debian
[11:02] <Burgundavia> crimsun: why so?
[11:03] <crimsun> offtopic chatter that turns ugly
[11:03] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:03] <Amaranth> crimsun: excessive kick forwarding to the rescue
[11:31] <Amaranth> Hmm.
[11:31] <Amaranth> Looks like I have to take this BART thing to Millbrae station then go to caltrain to get to sunnyvale station
[11:40] <StevenK> imbrandon: How long until your flight?
[11:42] <imbrandon> 1 hour 15 minutes
[11:42] <imbrandon> dunno if my battery will last that long though
[11:42] <imbrandon> heh
[11:42] <StevenK> Heh
[11:43] <Burgundavia> I get 45 minutes
[11:43] <imbrandon> i get about 3 hours but i forgot to charge fully before i left the house
[11:43] <StevenK> Heh, neat.
[11:44] <StevenK> I note gnome-power-manager in Edgy seems a little silly.
[11:44] <StevenK> I unplug my fully charged laptop from AC, and it tells me I have 18 minutes of power left.
[11:44] <imbrandon> heh
[11:45] <imbrandon> probably a hal thing
[11:45] <imbrandon> hal reporting it wrong
[11:46] <imbrandon> i know the kde one ready the info from hal, dunno bout the gnome one but i would assume so
[11:46] <imbrandon> s/ready/read
[11:46] <Burgundavia> acpi, actually
[11:46] <StevenK> I've been meaning to nastygram gnome-power-manager, I just haven't yet.
[11:47] <Burgundavia> StevenK: how so?
[11:47] <StevenK> Burgundavia: Hrrm?
 I've been meaning to nastygram gnome-power-manager, I just haven't yet.
[11:47] <StevenK> Yes, I was looking for more context.
[11:47] <StevenK> How so what?
[11:48] <Burgundavia> in what way?
[11:48] <StevenK> When I say nastygram I mean file a bug in launchpad.
[11:48] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:54] <imbrandon> brb /me go's to look for a power outlet
[11:59] <Fujitsu> GOES!
[11:59] <Fujitsu> (Hi Hobbsee)
[11:59] <Hobbsee> hey all
[11:59] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu
[12:39] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: i'll get out of the habbit someday
[12:39] <imbrandon> :)
[12:39] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[12:39] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon, where are you now?
[12:40] <imbrandon> at the airport in KC
[12:40] <imbrandon> 15 minutes till i get on the plane
[12:40] <imbrandon> ( soaking up free wifi )
[12:40] <Hobbsee> KC?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[12:40] <imbrandon> Kansas City
[12:41] <imbrandon> e.g. home, getting ready to board the flight
[12:41] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[12:41] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:41] <imbrandon> all ready went through security etc
[12:41] <imbrandon> just killing minutes
[12:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:41] <Hobbsee> they didnt find you to be a terrorist?
[12:42] <imbrandon> heh nope
[12:42] <StevenK> They're *WRONG*, wrong I say!
[12:42] <imbrandon> dident even make me boot my laptop
[12:42] <imbrandon> lol
[12:42] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:42] <StevenK> imbrandon: I note didn't doesn't have an 'e'.
[12:42] <imbrandon> bah lol
[12:43] <StevenK> It probably will.
[12:43] <imbrandon> i use computers for 3 reasons , 1)fun 2)spellcheck 3)calculator :)
[12:43] <imbrandon> makes me lazy
[12:43] <Hobbsee> python makes a very nice calculator
[12:43] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: +1
[12:44] <Fujitsu> That's what I always use.
[12:44] <StevenK> Python can do much better things.
[12:44] <imbrandon> heh
[12:44] <StevenK> Like display useless about boxes like the one I've been hacking on for the past three days.
[12:44] <imbrandon> katapult make a nice calc too
[12:44] <imbrandon> later Fujitsu
[12:45] <Fujitsu> But Kakakulk is too KDE.
[12:45] <imbrandon> StevenK: heh ever get that working ?
[12:45] <Fujitsu> *koo
[12:45] <imbrandon> heh s/c/k/ only
[12:45] <StevenK> imbrandon: Sure I did.
[12:45] <imbrandon> :)
[12:45] <imbrandon> StevenK: nice
[12:46] <StevenK> http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/wip.png
[12:47] <imbrandon> very cool
[12:47] <StevenK> :-)
[12:47] <imbrandon> whats that part of ?
[12:47] <imbrandon> is there a kde equiv ?
[12:47] <StevenK> The Tux and KDE logo have buggered off, but that's it.
[12:48] <imbrandon> i like that, pretty slick
[12:48] <StevenK> It's a simple PyGTK program laid out in a spec.
[12:48] <imbrandon> cool
[12:48] <imbrandon> probably wouldent be hard to make the same thing in pykde
[12:48] <StevenK> There's a pykde?
[12:48] <imbrandon> yea
[12:48] <imbrandon> pyqt and pykde
[12:49] <StevenK> Personally, I think it looks fine under Gnome or KDE.
[12:50] <imbrandon> true but i like my intergration :) although thats simple enough it really dont matter much cept for deps
[12:50] <StevenK> Exactly.
[12:50] <imbrandon> http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pykde/  python-kde iirc is the package
[12:50] <imbrandon> in *buntu
[12:50] <StevenK> Python-gtk2 and python-glade2, it's another 2Mb installed.
[12:51] <imbrandon> yea but what about all the other gtk* stuff python-gtk needs
[12:51] <imbrandon> no real biggies , just saying
[12:51] <imbrandon> :)
[12:52] <StevenK> imbrandon: I had a minimal chroot unpacked, installed kubuntu-desktop, and installed Python-gtk2 and python-glade2, and it pulled it like 5 packages. All of them small.
[12:52] <imbrandon> cool
[12:52] <imbrandon> thats not too bad
[12:53] <imbrandon> better than kde{libs,base} on ubuntu
[12:53] <imbrandon> :)
[12:53] <StevenK> If you give me 5 minutes, I can even tell you what they are. :-)
[12:53] <imbrandon> nah thats cool, we bord in about 5 minutes
[12:53] <imbrandon> board
[12:53] <StevenK> I figured. :-)
[12:54] <StevenK> How long is the flight?
[12:54] <imbrandon> from here to denver 2 hours then a 1 hour layover
[12:54] <imbrandon> then 3 more to SF
[12:55] <imbrandon> i might be able to poke in for a minute in denver, dunno with only an hour layover
[12:55] <StevenK> You know, you will survive for 6 hours without IRC.
[12:56] <imbrandon> yup yup
[12:56] <StevenK> "That's what my doctor says." ?
[12:57] <imbrandon> lol
[12:57] <imbrandon> irc i can live without but i dunno about no smokes
[12:57] <StevenK> Heh
[12:58] <imbrandon> anyhow time to detach boarding started, see yall in denver maybe , if not SF
[12:58] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[12:58] <imbrandon> exactly
[12:58] <StevenK> imbrandon: Enjoy your flight!
[12:58] <imbrandon> thanks ! <detaches>
[01:01] <Hobbsee> bye!
[02:27] <Hobbsee> anyone around?  having some trouble with pbuilder - says chroot: cannot run command `/usr/bin/apt-get': Permission denied
[02:27] <Hobbsee> and i'm running it with sudo
[02:31] <sladen> Hobbsee: what are the permission on the /usr/bin/apt-get in the chroot?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> sladen: how do i find out?
[02:32] <sladen> Hobbsee: ls -l foo/chroot/usr/bin/apt-get
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ahh.  seems i didnt have fakeroot installed, but same thing
[02:32] <Hobbsee> where foo is?
[02:32] <sladen> Hobbsee: foo is where-ever you have the chroot
[02:32] <Hobbsee> sladen: i dont have a chroot - it's created thru pbuilder
[02:33] <Mez> Hobbsee, sudo pbuilder login
[02:34] <Mez> and then you're in a shell inside the chroot
[02:34] <Mez> if you find an error, then login using
[02:34] <Mez> sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login
[02:34] <Mez> and it'll save your changes to the chroot
[02:34] <Mez> Hobbsee, or just create a new chroot
[02:35] <Hobbsee> i was trying to avoid that :P
[02:35] <Mez> then do wha tI said ;)
[02:35] <Hobbsee> it wont let me use one of the hooks
[02:36] <Mez> hooks ?
[02:36] <Mez> why do you need hooks /
[02:36] <Hobbsee> chroot: cannot run command `bin/bash': Permission denied
[02:37] <Mez> you are sudo'ing right ?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> of course.
[02:37] <Mez> o-O
[02:37] <Mez> what did you do to b0rk it that bad?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> it's on a different partition, which is owned by the user, not by root
[02:38] <Hobbsee> i've seriously got NFI....
[02:38] <Hobbsee> i'm wondering if rebuilding it will fix it
[02:38] <Hobbsee> or if there's somethign else wrong
[02:38] <Mez> Hobbsee, same for my pbuilds
[02:38] <Mez> Hobbsee,as long as debootstrap works;
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hmmmm
[02:57] <Hobbsee> I: Extracting zlib1g...
[02:57] <Hobbsee> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /media/devel/pbuilder/edgy/build/13378/. mount -t proc proc /proc
[02:57] <Hobbsee> pbuilder: debootstrap failed
[02:57] <Hobbsee>  -> Aborting with an error
[02:57] <Hobbsee>  -> cleaning the build env
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Mez: ^
[02:57] <Mez> what filesystem type is /media/devel
[02:58] <Hobbsee> ext3
[02:58] <Mez> wait.... o_O
[02:58] <Mez> try
[02:58] <Mez> sudo chroot /media/devel/pbuilder/edgy/build/13378/
[02:58] <Mez> see if that actually works
[02:58] <Mez> it might be a problem in chroot
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Mez: it's cleaned it
[02:59] <Mez> hmmles
[02:59] <Hobbsee> unless you need dchroot installed or something...
[02:59] <Mez> Hobbsee, I got to go out, are you going to be around later for me to help you out ?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Mez: i might have gone to bed.
[03:00] <Mez> bout an hour and a half
[03:00] <Hobbsee> i'll likely be asleep by then, but i'll back back on later
[03:00] <Hobbsee> it's 1am atm
[03:00] <Mez> ah, well I'm sure I'll see you online after I finish work ;)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Mez: if i could eyeball your pbuilderrc, that mgith be helpful
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Mez: and your fstab line for mounting that partition ki guess
[03:03] <Mez> http://rafb.net/paste/results/FSCzDR90.html
[03:05] <Hobbsee> thanks
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Mez: so you write to that as root all the time then?
[03:06] <Mez> /scratch, yeah ... I do ...
[03:07] <Mez> it's just an ext3 mount chown'd to ke
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Mez: and i dont think that pbuilderrc was the one you were looking for?  it doestn refer to /scratch
[03:07] <Mez> s/ke/me
[03:07] <Mez> Hobbsee, I use command line switches ;)
[03:09] <Hobbsee> oh right
[03:09] <Mez> sudo  pbuilder create --distribution edgy --basetgz /scratch/pbuilds/edgy.tgz --buildplace /scratch/build --apt-cache /scratch/aptcache/edgy --buildresult /scratch/buildresult/edgy/
[03:10] <Mez> lol - i dont knwo why i added he buildresult to that
[03:10] <Mez> habvit i guess
[03:10] <Hobbsee> right
[03:10] <Mez> it's cause i find it easier to do it that way for different chroots
[03:10] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:10] <Mez> (having to build in sid etc)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> there's a section on multiple pbuilders in !pbuilder, if you didnt konw
[03:11] <Mez> Hobbsee, i do know ;) i just have my way of doing things
[03:11] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[03:12] <Mez> it's the same stuff that's used on tiber ;)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[03:12] <Mez> Hobbsee, but usually i use pdebuild -- --<pbuilder options>
[03:12] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:12] <Mez> rather than pbuilder build
[03:12] <Mez> i find it easier ;)
[03:13] <Mez> right I really ought a go
[03:13] <Hobbsee> same here
[03:13] <Hobbsee> okay
[03:13] <Hobbsee> thanks for the help
[03:13] <Mez> argh ... CD's ripping still
[03:13] <Mez> lol
[03:14] <Mez> Hobbsee, plus i have seperate pbuilds for main and universe
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ahhh, true
[03:16] <Mez> ;)
[03:16] <Mez> as I do for sid (main and non-free)
[03:22] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  it failed again
[03:23] <Mez> Hobbsee ... o_O
[03:35] <lfittl> hmm, whats the current upload policy for dapper-updates/universe (want to fix bug #59269)
[03:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59269 in lighttpd "lighttpd fails to restart during logrotate script" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59269
[03:59] <gnomefreak> lfittl: very strict
[03:59] <Adri2000> I'm trying to package a python software with cdbs and python-distutils.mk... build fails here : "python2.5 setup.py" (python2.5: not found), I don't understand why cdbs uses python2.5 and not just python ?
[04:01] <Amaranth> Adri2000: it uses 2.3, 2.4, and 2.5
[04:02] <Amaranth> Adri2000: your package should depend on python-all-dev
[04:02] <Amaranth> build-depend*
[04:02] <Adri2000> python and python-all-dev or python-all-dev is enough ?
[04:03] <Amaranth> python-all-dev should pull in everything
[04:03] <Adri2000> ok
[04:04] <lfittl> gnomefreak: is there anything on the wiki about it?
[04:05] <gnomefreak> not that i know of
[04:05] <lfittl> (or is it documented anywhere else)
[04:06] <lfittl> gnomefreak: hmm, do you know enough about it to tell me what to do?
[04:08] <gnomefreak> lfittl: you would have to talk to ajmitch (theres more people) but hes the only one i remember.
[04:08] <lfittl> gnomefreak: k, thanks
[04:16] <lfittl> ajmitch: ping, what should be done to upload a bugfix to dapper-updates/universe? (bug #59269, bug #68401)
[04:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59269 in lighttpd "lighttpd fails to restart during logrotate script" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59269
[04:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68401 in lighttpd "Cannot remove the lighttpd pkg from Edgy Eft" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68401
[04:37] <Adri2000> I'm still trying to make my python package work... with cdbs and setup.py, the problem now is that in the config files it's written (for example) /tmp/buildd/umit-0.9.3/debian/umit/usr/config/umit instead of /usr/config/umit
[04:51] <bmonty> Adri2000: where does "dpkg-deb -c" show the files?
[04:51] <bmonty> also /usr/config is not where you should put config files, /usr/share/umit would be better
[04:53] <Adri2000> dpkg -c says /usr/... nothing in /tmp/buildd/...
[04:53] <Adri2000> the problem is just in the config files
[04:54] <bmonty> use "dpkg-deb" on the .deb file you created
[04:54] <bmonty> how are you building the package?
[04:54] <Adri2000> pbuilder
[04:54] <Adri2000> dpkg-deb with which option ?
[04:55] <bmonty> ok, and the package builds successfully?
[04:55] <Adri2000> yes
[04:55] <bmonty> dpkg-deb -c will list the contents of the package....the paths shown there are where the files will be put when you install the package
[04:55] <Adri2000> yep dpkg -c and dpkg-deb -c are the same
[04:56] <bmonty> ok, so those commands show the files where you want them, right?
[04:56] <Adri2000> dpkg-deb -c also says /usr/... and not /tmp/buildd/...
[04:56] <Adri2000> yep (except the files in /usr/config but I will fix that later)
[04:57] <bmonty> /tmp/buildd is where the files were put temporarily while the package was being built
[04:58] <Adri2000> and seems that setup.py took this path for the config files
[05:05] <Adri2000> bmonty: no idea?
[05:06] <bmonty> Adri2000: have you looked http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ ?
[05:06] <Adri2000> "FIXME: Someone familiar with CDBS should write this part." :-)
[05:09] <bmonty> kil4vorg
[05:11] <bmonty> Adri2000: I'm not sure how to fix it, but I would start by looking at other packages for python programs
[05:12] <Adri2000> python program with setup.py packaged with cdbs... I will try to find this
[06:05] <LaserJock> imbrandon: you here?
[06:07] <minghua> hey LaserJock
[06:07] <LaserJock> hi minghua
[06:10] <LaserJock> apparently imbrandon is stuck in Denver
[06:14] <bmonty> there are worse airports to be stuck at
[06:14] <LaserJock> for sure
[06:14] <LaserJock> but he's meeting the AU/NZ people in SF
[06:15] <minghua> didn't imbrandon post his cell phone number?
[06:16] <LaserJock> yeah, he called me this morning
[06:16] <LaserJock> to tell me
[06:16] <minghua> oh
[06:27] <LaserJock> hehe, #ubuntu-burning
[06:27] <LaserJock> "Channel for Debian people not happy about Ubuntu"
[06:27] <bhale> sigh
[06:27] <LaserJock> I'm just kidding bhale
[07:09] <Amaranth> LaserJock: do you have a cell phone?
[07:10] <Amaranth> wow i'm glad i'm not going through denver :P
[07:10] <Amaranth> i was going to be at first
[07:10] <LaserJock> Amaranth: yes
[08:06] <LaserJock> does anybody have ajmitch's lifeless's cell phone number?
[08:12] <Amaranth> bhale: fun stuff
[08:12] <Amaranth> new glibc, binutils, kernel, etc
[08:12] <bhale> im aware
[08:12] <Amaranth> i haven't tried installing any of it, waiting to see if anyone survives the upgrade
[08:47] <chantra> hi there, shall we start packaging for feisty then?
[08:47] <chantra> one of my package got some upstream updates, can I still upload it to revu or not?
[08:47] <chantra> so it get included in edgy-updates
[08:50] <Adri2000> chantra: new upstream version in -updates? I don't think so...
[08:51] <chantra> so I shall only upload for feisty
[08:51] <Adri2000> yes
[08:51] <chantra> Adri2000: actually, the new upstream release comes with some bug fixes :)
[08:53] <Adri2000> and maybe with some new bugs :/
[08:53] <Adri2000> that's the problem
[08:53] <geser> chantra: until those fixes are for important or security bugs I doubt you get an approval from motu-sru
[08:53] <chantra> to get a new feisty box, as usual, install a new edgy and then change repositories and update
[08:53] <chantra> geser: Adri2000 okie dokie
[08:54] <chantra> okie, then, it is time for a new install :)
[08:54] <chantra> catch you later guys
[09:09] <chantra> hi again
[09:09] <LaserJock> hi
[09:10] <LaserJock> chantra: btw, if there are important bug fixes we can try to backport the fixes themselves
[09:10] <luisbg> hey LaserJock
[09:10] <luisbg> are you in the summit=
[09:10] <luisbg> ?
[09:10] <LaserJock> not quite yet
[09:10] <LaserJock> I'm at my grandpa's house
[09:10] <LaserJock> which is half way there
[09:11] <chantra> LaserJock: you can see the changelogs there: http://kitone.free.fr/subtitleeditor/
[09:11] <chantra> version 0.11 is said to be an important one :s
[09:11] <chantra> I've a package on my personnal repository for 0.11.1
[09:13] <chantra> so it is ready to upload :)
[09:18] <luisbg> LaserJock, when does the summit start?
[09:18] <luisbg> LaserJock, lucky you you can be there... /me envies you
[09:18] <LaserJock> Sunday morning at 9:00am local time
[09:19] <luisbg> LaserJock, nice! will try to give a hand from here
[09:19] <luisbg> seams like a moment loads of work is going to be done
[09:20] <chantra> LaserJock: shall I upload subtitleeditor 0.11.1 to revu then?
[09:20] <LaserJock> chantra: you can upload whatever you want
[09:21] <chantra> :) what does this mean then? revu closed for feisty transition?
[09:21] <LaserJock> no
[09:21] <LaserJock> it's always open
[09:22] <LaserJock> I'm just saying you can upload whatever you want
[09:22] <LaserJock> it just doesn't mean it's going in right away or anything like that
[09:22] <LaserJock> chantra: what version does Debian have?
[09:22] <chantra> LaserJock: cheking .....
[09:23] <chantra> 0.11-alpha1-1  alpha amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc on testing
[09:23] <chantra> 0.11-alpha2-2: alpha amd64 hppa i386 ia64 kfreebsd-i386 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc
[09:23] <chantra> 0.11-alpha1-1: arm m68k
[09:23] <chantra> on unstable
[09:23] <LaserJock> ok, so that will be in Feisty
[09:23] <chantra> okie dokie
[09:24] <luisbg> how do I create a mail list for an ubuntu team?
[09:24] <LaserJock> luisbg: you ask the list maintianer
[09:24] <chantra> (new edgy install done) well, gonna reboot and start moving to feisty
[09:24] <chantra> catch you guys
[09:24] <LaserJock> luisbg: not exactly sure who that is right now
[09:25] <luisbg> LaserJock, hmmm... how can I find out?
[09:26] <LaserJock> luisbg: Seveas would probably know
[09:26] <LaserJock> or the doc team
[09:26] <LaserJock> I just can't remember exactly
[09:26] <luisbg> ok cool
[09:26] <Adri2000> you can try mailman@lists.ubuntu.com, but not really sure where the mail will go ^^
[09:27] <LaserJock> ah yeah
[09:27] <LaserJock> I just saw that
[09:30] <nixternal> luisbg: file an rt request
[09:30] <nixternal> mailman doens't get you far, nobody seems to answer it
[09:32] <luisbg> nixternal, how do I report that?
[09:33] <LaserJock> yeah, an rt is probably best
[09:55] <luisbg> which sections are there in ubuntu?
[09:55] <luisbg> (to fill a section: file in a debian/control)
[09:56] <bddebian> Uhm, localegen isn't setting LC_ALL, should it?
[09:59] <LaserJock> luisbg: go to packages.ubuntu.com or look in synaptic
[10:01] <luisbg> checked that first
[10:01] <luisbg> but it seems there are a few sections missing
[10:01] <luisbg> especially creative stuff... an audio program where does it fall?
[10:03] <minghua> luisbg: look at other audio programs
[10:03] <minghua> luisbg: there is always the "utils" section to catch everything
[10:04] <luisbg> minghua, ok
[10:18] <enyc> I would like to suggest the MOTU build a newer prboom package, likely based on that in debian now (2.4.5-based) or better 2.4.6 (more fixes) ;-)
[10:21] <LaserJock> !info prboom
[10:21] <ubotu> prboom: clone of the legendary first person shooter Doom. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:2.2.6-3 (edgy), package size 364 kB, installed size 880 kB
[10:22] <ogra> how many doom clones are there now ? 100 ?
[10:22] <zul> probably..
[10:23] <LaserJock> enyc: we automatically sync from Debian at the beginning of each development release
[10:33] <enyc> LaserJock: hrrm kk... it must have 'just missed' update or something.. it could really do with updating to the 2.4.x series... which has the 'doom 1.91 demo timing hack' etc...
[10:34] <cyberix> I can't play official multiplayer games in Wesnoth because the Ubuntu version is outdated :-(
[10:34] <enyc> As debian have 2.4.5 now but fiesty still has 2.2.6 !!
[10:34] <enyc> It should be updated ;-)
[10:35] <LaserJock> enyc: well, feisty universe hasn't been synced yet I don't think
[10:35] <LaserJock> we are just starting the Ubuntu Developer Summit
[10:35] <enyc> LaserJock: aah ok ;-)
[10:40] <bddebian> Can't I force an overwrite with apt-get install?
[10:41] <bhale> bddebian: what kind of overwrite?
[10:41] <bhale> bddebian: --force-confmiss?
[10:41] <bddebian> bhale: I'm getting a conflicting file for libIV.so.1
[10:42] <geser> apt seems to have no option to pass options to dpkg
[10:42] <geser> you have to call dpkg with the right force option
[10:42] <bddebian> I know there is a way to do it, I just can't freakin' remember
[10:43] <cyberix> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wesnoth/+bug/70296
[10:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70296 in wesnoth "Can't join official multiplayer games" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[10:47] <bddebian> bhale: Any idea?
[10:47] <LaserJock> cyberix: looks like you need version 1.1.11 :-)
[10:47] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[10:47] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[10:47] <cyberix> LaserJock: Who could have guessed ;-)
[10:48] <bddebian> LaserJock: Hey, I've been so freakin' out of the loop.  Where are we supposed to vote for the SRU stuff?
[10:48] <geser> bddebian: perhaps with apt-get -o DPkg::options="--force-overwrite" install
[10:48] <geser> if I read the several manpages correctly (I'm not quite sure about the syntax)
[10:48] <LaserJock> bddebian: votes over
[10:49] <bddebian> Oh :-(
[10:49] <bddebian> geser: What's the -o for?
[10:49] <LaserJock> maybe
[10:49] <LaserJock> dholbach was supposed to pick the team Saturday
[10:49] <geser>  -o, --option
[10:49] <geser>               Set a Configuration Option; This will set an arbitary configura
[10:49] <geser>               tion option. The syntax is -o Foo::Bar=bar.
[10:49] <geser> from man apt-get
[10:49] <cyberix> LaserJock: I'm worried about the newbies that get bad image of Ubuntu when this doesn't work.
[10:50] <LaserJock> cyberix: well, you can try to get a backport I suppose
[10:50] <geser> and man apt.conf writes something about the DPkg group
[10:50] <bddebian> Yeah, I was just doing that, thanks
[10:56] <geser> bddebian: according to google it's Options instead of options and perhaps this helps you http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=95043
[10:56] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 95043 in apt "apt-get ignores dpkg options set from command line" [Normal,Closed] 
[10:57] <bddebian> Joy
[10:59] <bddebian> Rockin' thanks geser
[10:59] <LaserJock> heh
[10:59] <LaserJock> I'm trying to direct people to the hotel
[11:01] <LaserJock> brandon's called me 3 times today
[11:02] <bddebian> heh
[11:02] <LaserJock> they just called from somewhere in sunnyvale
[11:03] <LaserJock> thank goodness for google maps
[11:04] <ogra> LaserJock, brandon ?
[11:04] <LaserJock> ogra: imbrandon
[11:04] <ogra> you meantseng is coming ?
[11:04] <ogra> ah
[11:04] <ogra> ok
[11:05] <LaserJock> he's with elkbuntu, ajmitch, lifeless, mpt, and infinity I think
[11:06] <ogra> i thought you meant bhale
[11:06] <LaserJock> no unfortunately I don't think he's comming
[11:07] <ogra> :(
[11:07] <LaserJock> ogra: are you at the sunnyvale hotel now?
[11:08] <ogra> LaserJock, nope, still in a conference room with jammcq and salneav here in sF
[11:08] <LaserJock> ah
[11:09] <ogra> we'll leave the room at 4:30pm, have dinner at a brazilian restaurant, pick up a minivan and head over
[11:09] <ajmitch> hi
[11:09] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hi!
[11:10] <zul> hey ajmitch
[11:10] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:10] <zul> and LaserJock
[11:11] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ah, so they must have found their way there..
[11:12] <LaserJock> ajmitch: did you go separately?
[11:12] <ajmitch> no, but I got off the train in MV
[11:12] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[11:12] <pygi> hello motus
[11:13] <zul> convient their is a liquor store across the street
[11:13] <pygi> will bug #2765 be addressed by you or should I assign to ubuntu burning team?
[11:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2765 in cdrdao "Cannot scan availables devices" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2765
[11:13] <pygi> scanning entire bus is evil enough anyway!
[11:13] <ajmitch> zul: you've arrived?
[11:14] <zul> yep im sitting in my room trying not to nod off
[11:14] <ajmitch> heh
[11:14] <ajmitch> and you didn't even have a 12 hour flight
[11:15] <LaserJock> pygi: assign it to yourself if you are committed to working on it
[11:15] <zul> yeah i know but i usually dont get up at 3am in the morning on a a saturday
[11:15] <pygi> LaserJock: there is a functional patch, just checking was it included in edgy
[11:16] <pygi> LaserJock: the entire stuff is blury, dunno if we'll embrace cdrkit for feisty
[11:18] <zul> im so not use to this weather in november
[11:19] <LaserJock> pygi: well, when you have a debdiff you can subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[11:19] <pygi> LaserJock: ok, sure
[11:21] <ajmitch> LaserJock: when do you arrive?
[11:22] <LaserJock> ajmitch: not sure yet
[11:23] <ajmitch> driving tonight?
[11:24] <bhale> ogra: i am not coming
[11:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch: oh yeah
[11:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch: probably in an hour or 3 ;-)
[11:24] <bhale> ogra: see you some other time
[11:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: how long is the drive?
[11:24] <ogra> bhale, oh, thats really sad, i was hoping to see you there ...
[11:24] <bhale> :( sorry
[11:25] <bhale> i used my vacation on guadec
[11:25] <bhale> more fun i think
[11:25] <LaserJock> ajmitch: 3 hrs
[11:26] <ogra> yeah, indeed
[11:26] <LaserJock> how long is guadec? 1 week?
[11:26] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's short, I thought it'd be longer
[11:27] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, we drove 2 hrs last night to my grandpa's house
[11:27] <ajmitch> right
[11:39] <ryanakca> is this normal? "x11-common conflicts with xearth ( <= 1.1-10.2)"
[11:40] <ryanakca> do all games in main, universe or multiverse have to be installed to /usr/games ? and would it be a bug if they aren't?
[11:42] <joejaxx> LaserJock: :D
[11:43] <plugwash> [22:38]  <ryanakca> is this normal? "x11-common conflicts with xearth ( <= 1.1-10.2)" <-- i think that has to do with the fact that /usr/X11R6 is now symlinked back to /usr, so older versions of everything for X have to be removed to allow that change to succeed
[11:54] <crimsun> we shouldn't be installing stuff into /usr/X11R6/foo if that's what's being asked
[11:54] <crimsun> common culprit is installing into /usr/X11R6/bin, which will fubar the upgrade
[11:55] <theCore> is possible to run a feisty installation in chroot?
[11:55] <bhale> yes of course
[11:55] <theCore> and start Gnome with xnest?
[11:55] <bhale> yes.
[11:56] <theCore> cool
[11:56] <theCore> I need to do that
[11:56] <bhale> use xephyr not xnest
[11:56] <bhale> it supports xfixes, randr, nice things like this
[11:56] <bhale> fullscreen
[11:56] <theCore> bhale, thanks for the tip
[11:57] <theCore> so I run debootstrap to create the feisty install, then chroot it, but how do I launch X?
[11:59] <theCore> like a normal installation?
[11:59] <bhale> launch xephr in the main host
[11:59] <bhale> in chroot
[11:59] <bhale> export DISPLAY="127.0.0.1:1"
[12:00] <bhale> gnome-session &
[12:00] <theCore> ok, thanks