| theresa | do you think edubuntu is more suited for kids from 10-14 or is there something useful for kids above this age? | 12:15 |
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| pygi | In general Edubuntu currently fits more to primary school, and partly high school (according to your system) | 12:16 |
| pygi | but there are a lot of apps you can install for older folks | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | Edubuntu has access to the same software repositories as Ubuntu | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | so you can install lots of software | 12:17 |
| pygi | and we're working hard to add support for high schools and uni's by default in the future | 12:17 |
| pygi | theresa: indeed | 12:17 |
| theresa | excellent cool! | 12:17 |
| theresa | is there a list of apps? | 12:17 |
| pygi | theresa: just use synaptic to see the available software | 12:17 |
| theresa | ah ook | 12:18 |
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| theresa | this case study might be useful for the edubuntu development team as well? if i get a proper reaction from the kids on what they want and what they need, maybe it could be worked on for the future? | 12:21 |
| LaserJock | yes | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | we are very much interested in case studies | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | and people experiences | 12:27 |
| theresa | hmm i think it'd be much more interesting to do this with older kids though, because they maybe have more interest in computers already.... (i'm talking about kids from 12-17/28) | 12:29 |
| theresa | *18 not 28 | 12:29 |
| theresa | personally i'm not soo good with the wee ones ;) hehe | 12:29 |
| theresa | apart from that most applications seem to be in english, and our kids start learning english from 10 onwards, so it might be a bit difficult... | 12:31 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I'm interested in high school and university students | 12:31 |
| theresa | excellent :) | 12:31 |
| theresa | hmm I have another question...how do you proceed, if someone suddenly asks what the point is of using edubuntu or ubuntu anyway if the whole world uses windows....(the free and open source argument) won't work for students or people who are not really interested in computers anyway because they wouldn't understand the whole philosophy without getting into too much detail... | 12:47 |
| pygi | theresa: make folks in Austria to translate Edubuntu apps ;) | 12:49 |
| theresa | pygi: good idea, i'll best start myself with it ;) | 12:50 |
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| pygi | theresa: ^_^ | 12:54 |
| pygi | theresa: if you need any help with assembling the team (if there is no LoCo already. let me know) | 12:54 |
| theresa | what's a LoCo | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | theresa: this is were we translate: https://launchpad.net/rosetta | 12:55 |
| pygi | theresa: Localization team | 12:55 |
| theresa | oh yeah I've heard about Rosetta | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | theresa: sometimes it's good to find things that the students can do with Ubuntu that they can't with Windows | 12:56 |
| theresa | hmm true, but without being unrespectful, is there anything that can't be done with windows? | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | yes | 12:57 |
| theresa | pygi: what does the Localization team do? | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | well not so much "can't" but it's much easier and more available | 12:57 |
| pygi | theresa: translates, promotes ubuntu in it's country, organizes release partly, translation maratons, helps users get started with ubuntu, etc, etc | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | theresa: those are teams made up of people from the same country/region | 12:58 |
| theresa | excellent, sounds good to me! where and how can i get in touch with the austrian based team? | 12:59 |
| pygi | theresa: just tried to found your team. You country initials are "at", right? | 01:00 |
| theresa | yep | 01:00 |
| pygi | there currently doesn't seem to exist the ubuntu austrian loco team | 01:00 |
| theresa | :( | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | theresa: #ubuntu-at | 01:00 |
| pygi | or am I mistaken? LaserJock, correct me? | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | theresa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustriaTeam | 01:01 |
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| pygi | that the teams must stand up to be officialy recognized | 01:01 |
| theresa | yeah the team seems very smallish... | 01:02 |
| pygi | for now perhaps ^_^ It can get bigger ... | 01:03 |
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| theresa | oh i'm afraid I got to go now.....i'm tired and ready for bed ;) | 01:04 |
| theresa | thanks for listening and for your advice, i'm sure I'll get back to you sooner rather than later ;) | 01:06 |
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| MacAnthony | quick question: I just installed edgy - what are the chances that very few packages need updates? | 05:55 |
| MacAnthony | I'm trying to figure out if I have and am using synaptic right | 05:56 |
| MacAnthony | it only said I had 3 updates | 05:56 |
| jsgotangco | that's right | 05:56 |
| jsgotangco | there aren't that much updates yet | 05:56 |
| MacAnthony | ok, I just want to be sure, thanks :) | 05:57 |
| crimsun | unless you happened to have all the packages installed that received updates. | 05:57 |
| crimsun | even then it's fewer than ten | 05:57 |
| MacAnthony | just the core install from the cd, crimsun | 05:57 |
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| highvoltage | hey Nuffing | 07:48 |
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| Nuffing | hey highvoltage :) | 07:48 |
| Nuffing | I have claimed this HP tablet and d/led all the stuff I needed to get myself connected to the world again :) | 07:49 |
| Nuffing | are you in SF? | 07:49 |
| highvoltage | nope, at home. | 07:50 |
| highvoltage | I finally have fast reliable internet at home again. | 07:50 |
| highvoltage | are you? | 07:50 |
| Nuffing | I can't understand why anyone still uses IE, it sucks SO badly compared to firefox | 07:54 |
| Nuffing | are me what? | 07:54 |
| Nuffing | in SF? | 07:54 |
| Nuffing | nah, home | 07:54 |
| Nuffing | my turn to babysit ;) | 07:54 |
| highvoltage | ah :) | 07:55 |
| Nuffing | anyway off to the gym, back later *wave* | 08:13 |
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| cbx33 | hey ogra good morning | 11:11 |
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| edubuntugirl | good morning cbx33 | 11:27 |
| cbx33 | hello edubuntugirl | 11:28 |
| edubuntugirl | salut, cbx33! | 11:28 |
| pygi | hey ho cbx33 | 11:28 |
| cbx33 | hi pygi | 11:28 |
| cbx33 | howaz it going | 11:30 |
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| pygi | cbx33: busy :) | 11:32 |
| jsgotangco | hey hey | 11:33 |
| pygi | hello js | 11:34 |
| edubuntugirl | hey!! | 11:35 |
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| fdr | Hello out there -- is anyone up? | 11:46 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 11:47 |
| fdr | Hello; I was wondering if I could pose an open question for some mulling | 11:47 |
| fdr | sort of a thing to speak about in generalities | 11:48 |
| Burgundavia | fdr: shoot | 11:49 |
| fdr | alright. Some quick background about at what level you can talk to me: I'm primarily a computer-science sort and do my sysadmining on a hand-to-mouth basis, but I would like to do a little bit of surveying to see if I can help my old high school | 11:50 |
| fdr | basically, I'd like to avoid using remote X servers on thin clients | 11:50 |
| Burgundavia | why so? | 11:50 |
| fdr | and instead use LTSP to simply boot the machine into a stateless, minimal X environment that will run Nomachine's NX instead | 11:50 |
| fdr | Or even give the user an option, as long as NX runs on the local X server | 11:51 |
| fdr | I have found NX to be blazing fast and it'd be nice to give users the option to use it outside the local lab that will be using network bootloading to access the machine | 11:51 |
| fdr | plus I don't think their network infrastructure is the best | 11:52 |
| fdr | basically, I've found NX to be even faster than my experience with Sun Rays, which use something more similar to LTSP | 11:53 |
| fdr | Anyway, that's all. | 11:55 |
| fdr | You can try to convince me that perhaps that step is unnecessary, and simply running the nx daemon and using the standard remote X is speedy, even on 10 megabit lines | 11:56 |
| Burgundavia | sorry, you are asking the wrong person about remote X stuff | 11:56 |
| Burgundavia | ogra is the person you need to talk to, but it is 3am where we are right now | 11:56 |
| fdr | ah. Which is where I am | 11:57 |
| fdr | just a bit of insomnia | 11:57 |
| fdr | okay. I'll come back at a more godly hour. | 11:57 |
| fdr | but thank you for listening to my spiel. | 11:57 |
| Burgundavia | NX has issues, that is what I understand | 11:58 |
| fdr | really? I've used it for some time now without problems -- please tell me more | 11:58 |
| Burgundavia | they relate to licensing and code duplication, from what I understand | 11:58 |
| Burgundavia | I could be incorrect in that | 11:58 |
| fdr | code duplication? What is meant by that? I do know it has nasty interactions with Cygwin that can be gotten around | 11:59 |
| Burgundavia | code duplication with X | 11:59 |
| crimsun | posh, you love the included X Window System code in NX's source! | 11:59 |
| fdr | oh, you mean being its own little X server? | 12:00 |
| fdr | or something like that? | 12:00 |
| fdr | it also has some GPL components nowadays | 12:01 |
| fdr | I know a server can be had completely free of entanglement | 12:01 |
| crimsun | screams maintenance nightmare, among other things | 12:02 |
| highvoltage | fdr: hi there | 12:02 |
| fdr | hello | 12:02 |
| highvoltage | fdr: ogra did say he wants to investigate the open source nx stuff for edubuntu | 12:02 |
| fdr | hey, if it works it works, unless you can tell me about a remoting method more efficient than NX for GNU/Linux | 12:02 |
| highvoltage | if it makes it into edubuntu it will probably only be for the release made late next year | 12:02 |
| Burgundavia | crimsun: I don't need to tell you the pain of upgrading our custom hacks from 6.8.2 to something newer | 12:02 |
| fdr | I think that's sensible, but I'm not asking for a nice lickable integration | 12:03 |
| highvoltage | custom hacks love biting you in the ass | 12:03 |
| fdr | I can install NX okay, my actual question can be reduced to this abstract query: | 12:03 |
| fdr | how can I make LTSP run a program locally using the local X server | 12:03 |
| fdr | I've heard it be done, but I want to ask how kludgey or whatnot it is | 12:04 |
| highvoltage | in most basic terms, you need to install the application into your ltsp chroot | 12:04 |
| highvoltage | then you basically ssh to your local machine and run the program | 12:04 |
| highvoltage | it's not implemented in LTSP yet, but it seems likely that it will be implemented in the next version of Edubuntu | 12:05 |
| highvoltage | it depends on the ubuntu authentication server being implemented. | 12:05 |
| fdr | to what? do use the local machine to run particular stuff? | 12:05 |
| highvoltage | yes. | 12:05 |
| fdr | hmm. well, my cursory survey seemed to suggest that was done by some, but it was just cursory. It's good to know that it's not quite there yet, but will be Real Soon Now | 12:06 |
| highvoltage | so if you want to run firefox using local cpu + ram, you'd install it in chroot, | 12:06 |
| fdr | yeah, that's okay | 12:06 |
| highvoltage | then from the thin client, you ssh into the thin client (nfs mounted chroot running locally) and display it locally | 12:06 |
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| highvoltage | there were ways to do it with LTSP 4.2 | 12:07 |
| highvoltage | but it's very experimental and not user friendly. | 12:07 |
| fdr | okay. | 12:07 |
| fdr | hmm. | 12:07 |
| fdr | so basically xtunnel locally. that is sort of evil | 12:07 |
| highvoltage | fdr: if you are looking for a DIY solution, look for local apps on http://wiki.ltsp.org | 12:07 |
| highvoltage | it's evil, but there's not really any other way. | 12:08 |
| fdr | it's good enough, probably | 12:08 |
| highvoltage | it's good enought for anything that's not 3D | 12:08 |
| fdr | that's perfectly fine | 12:08 |
| highvoltage | I don't think you can run quake 3 over an ssh tunnel | 12:08 |
| highvoltage | even if it's local :) | 12:08 |
| highvoltage | but for things like firefox with flash... it will run nicely | 12:08 |
| fdr | hah. well, maybe when we don't have to use direct frame buffers | 12:09 |
| fdr | it's basically just to reduce load on the network, though. When I was in college I suffered along using tunneled X and thin clients with X (which were better, as they were on the LAN, but still quite lagiful) | 12:09 |
| fdr | but in a relatively impoverished public school with ad-hoc everything, I feel like it'd be useful to investigate the NX option | 12:10 |
| fdr | but thank you for your help | 12:11 |
| fdr | I think that's probably enough for me to go ahead and do it | 12:11 |
| fdr | two other resources that make be good for people looking for such solutions: | 12:18 |
| fdr | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto | 12:18 |
| fdr | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPFatClients | 12:18 |
| highvoltage | :) | 12:20 |
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| fdr | oh? are you using the loopback X tunnel? | 12:21 |
| highvoltage | nope | 12:22 |
| fdr | oh, so you're doing the mount the remote system? | 12:22 |
| highvoltage | yep | 12:22 |
| fdr | how has that been working for you? | 12:22 |
| highvoltage | the entire system is install in the chroot | 12:22 |
| highvoltage | and then *everything* runs locally. | 12:22 |
| highvoltage | it works well. | 12:22 |
| highvoltage | the biggest setup we use is a lab with 27 computers that running as fat diskless machines | 12:22 |
| highvoltage | and it works well. | 12:22 |
| fdr | that's good news | 12:23 |
| highvoltage | i thought that the server would run out of disk bandwidth, but the disks aren't a problem at all. | 12:23 |
| fdr | that's good | 12:23 |
| highvoltage | I do run out of network bandwidth on the server though. | 12:23 |
| highvoltage | one gbit card is *just* not enough | 12:23 |
| fdr | oh? when serving up apps? | 12:23 |
| fdr | and home dirs? | 12:23 |
| fdr | I guess caching web browsing could also be a big one | 12:24 |
| highvoltage | well, if you're running diskless fat, then everything mounted from the server, filesystem, home dirs, everything. | 12:24 |
| fdr | I see a lot of random seeks and writes in your future. yes. | 12:24 |
| fdr | okay. that makes sense. | 12:24 |
| highvoltage | web browsing isn't that slow | 12:24 |
| highvoltage | it gets slow when 27 kids open openoffice at the same time | 12:24 |
| fdr | although stuff like that will put some heavy load on the disks if the lab is at high occupancy | 12:25 |
| highvoltage | not *too* slow, but slower than doing 10 | 12:25 |
| fdr | ouch | 12:25 |
| fdr | hmm. | 12:25 |
| highvoltage | and you can see on the server the network traffic is maxed out | 12:25 |
| highvoltage | everything else is fine. | 12:25 |
| fdr | oh, alright. | 12:25 |
| fdr | so it's mostly app loads then | 12:25 |
| fdr | I suppose one could do some fancy prefetching to get rid of that, but probably not worth it | 12:26 |
| fdr | yeah. I think I like the fat, diskless client is in the right league with what I want. No use having perfectly good cycles go to waste, although on even more pathetic machines I'd like to make remoting into the big machine a viable option | 12:27 |
| highvoltage | you could have readahead that ubuntu uses to boot to do that, but it probably is just more worth while adding another network card. | 12:27 |
| highvoltage | on weaker machines thin clients is the way to go | 12:28 |
| fdr | yeah. there's sort of an eclectic collection at hand here | 12:28 |
| highvoltage | and on the machines inbetween, thin clients but that run some local apps | 12:28 |
| fdr | okay. so I guess a mixed shop may be good. | 12:28 |
| fdr | one final wrinkle: | 12:28 |
| fdr | LTSP for the truly pathetic hardware, fat clients running most stuff locally for good-ish hardware...what about making the fat client setup remotable, 1:1? | 12:29 |
| fdr | sounds like you'd have to network boot a client (so it's in the chroot) and then have it be the NX server | 12:30 |
| fdr | alternatively, this may be a good use of some sort of virtualization | 12:30 |
| highvoltage | fat clients run everything locally | 12:30 |
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| highvoltage | you can't run some locally and some not | 12:30 |
| highvoltage | you're right, it has some *great* use cases for virtualisation | 12:31 |
| fdr | that I understand, but what if I wanted the ability to NX into some machine that gives me the exact same setup (more or less) as the fat client | 12:31 |
| highvoltage | it's something that my company is invesgtigating. | 12:31 |
| highvoltage | ah yes, you could do that. | 12:31 |
| highvoltage | although it's not very user friently | 12:32 |
| highvoltage | so the user would have to use nx only for certain applications? | 12:32 |
| fdr | or if they felt like it | 12:32 |
| fdr | I think the main purpose is to make it universal feeling | 12:32 |
| fdr | eg, not have to maintain the chroot to be == to the terminal server-ish thing | 12:32 |
| fdr | but instead have a machine--virtual or otherwise--booted from the chroot with the one exception of having NX/VNC server, etc | 12:33 |
| fdr | alternatively, it may not so bad to run NX server on every fat client. that's probably good enough | 12:33 |
| fdr | so there's no edge case, just pick any fat client (preferably a fast one) to NX into | 12:34 |
| fdr | but what are your thoughts on that? | 12:34 |
| fdr | there are wrinkles, but are they critical? | 12:34 |
| highvoltage | not really | 12:35 |
| highvoltage | there's one big dependency though, and that's authentication. | 12:36 |
| highvoltage | and from the edubuntu side, that will be implemented by an ubuntu team | 12:36 |
| fdr | in what sense? | 12:36 |
| highvoltage | and we're reliant on them to finish that before it goes into edubuntu | 12:36 |
| highvoltage | in the sense that it causes a time delay for implementation in edubuntu | 12:36 |
| fdr | well, I don't think I have a clear idea about what the purpose of "authentication" in this specific case | 12:37 |
| fdr | eg, what is being authenticated, et al | 12:37 |
| highvoltage | yes we do. | 12:37 |
| highvoltage | just a sec... | 12:37 |
| fdr | yeah, web page reading time... | 12:37 |
| highvoltage | fdr: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ltsp-fat-clients | 12:38 |
| highvoltage | fdr: click on the dependencies in that flowchart and it will link to explanations | 12:38 |
| fdr | so, in this case, you are trying to prevent any old machine from being able to remote boot? | 12:39 |
| fdr | and controlling various services | 12:39 |
| fdr | okay. I think I can say that this battle can be fought another day, in my use case | 12:40 |
| fdr | it would be nice to set aside one machine/virtualization to be the NX-serverized copy of the fat client | 12:42 |
| fdr | as opposed to having it deployed/hot to all diskless fat clients | 12:42 |
| highvoltage | just be careful not to overcomplicate your setup. :) | 12:43 |
| highvoltage | someone will have to be able to take it over when you leave one day, remember that. | 12:43 |
| fdr | yeah. I guess standard LTSP + fat LTSP and just let every fat client run NX | 12:44 |
| fdr | the worst use case I can think of is annoying students shelling into another machine and then trying to load it down to annoy someone | 12:45 |
| fdr | but that's probably something that just needs a stern lecture for | 12:45 |
| fdr | ...that and systematically using a root exploit to mobilize the herd of fat clients | 12:46 |
| fdr | again...edge case | 12:46 |
| highvoltage | you can't root exploit the fat clients any more than you can a thin client | 12:47 |
| highvoltage | the fat client filesystem is mounted read-only | 12:47 |
| highvoltage | so it's not like you can get some kind of single user mode and change the root password :) | 12:47 |
| highvoltage | actually, if you do get some kind of single user mode, the machine would die, since it's reliant on the network to work | 12:48 |
| fdr | right. I'm getting sloppy. | 12:48 |
| fdr | that having been said, if your fat clients are all enabled with NX and thus openssh listening students can shell to various computers, for good for for ill | 12:49 |
| fdr | I seem to recall making good use of idle fat clients for testing out various heuristics | 12:50 |
| fdr | in at least one course | 12:50 |
| fdr | let's assume neither: "for awesome" | 12:51 |
| fdr | again, thank you. I should try to get some real work done | 12:53 |
| highvoltage | i'm off to the gym, bbl | 12:53 |
| highvoltage | fdr: talk to you again | 12:53 |
| fdr | alright. Thanks so much for your pearls of wisdom. | 12:54 |
| fdr | 4AM for the win. | 12:54 |
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| sorush20 | hi any parental control programs for linux around ? | 03:25 |
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| pygi | sorush20, what specific features are you looking for? | 03:26 |
| sorush20 | just blocking of keywords contained in a site and sites itself | 03:29 |
| sorush20 | my router does offer somthing like this but it not working well.. | 03:29 |
| pygi | sorush20, you can use willow-ng for that + epiphany | 03:29 |
| sorush20 | what about something at the router level? | 03:32 |
| pygi | not sure about that part, sorry | 03:33 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 03:34 |
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| pygi | hey bddebian :) | 03:35 |
| highvoltage | sorush20: privoxy could do that at router level | 03:36 |
| jsgotangco | peh | 03:37 |
| highvoltage | meh | 03:39 |
| jsgotangco | its strange | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | i can't connect to uds-mv on sip | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | on the pages shown in the wiki | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | but i tried using gizmo to connect, i get the echo test | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | wahahaha | 03:40 |
| stgraber | strange, twinckle didn't work ? | 03:45 |
| jsgotangco | nope | 03:45 |
| stgraber | for me it works fine, except that my microphone volume is too low (even with mic boost ...) | 03:46 |
| jsgotangco | pretty strange for me, well there isnt anything happening over there on a sunday for sure so i can still check what's wrong | 03:47 |
| === jsgotangco gotta sleep first | ||
| stgraber | all I had to do is to start, enter the username / pass they gave me and I had the "registration succeeded" message | 03:48 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:48 |
| jsgotangco | weird | 03:48 |
| highvoltage | pygi: nice one on the burning team! | 04:03 |
| pygi | highvoltage, thanks ^_^ | 04:03 |
| pygi | highvoltage, ubuntu has a lot of problems in this field, and since I'm familiar with it,I figured why not help :) | 04:04 |
| highvoltage | pygi: I think it's great that you do. I'll be keeping an eye on the project, I think it's much needed. | 04:05 |
| pygi | already did some bug fixing, preparing deb-diffs for feisty, trying to understand who the hell did the package of brasero in debian, etc, etc | 04:06 |
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| pygi | hey js, cb | 04:38 |
| cbx33 | hey py | 04:38 |
| cbx33 | you know if we shortened everyones nick | 04:39 |
| cbx33 | we'd still know who they were ;) | 04:39 |
| pygi | :P | 04:39 |
| cbx33 | see jsgotangco colin thinks my connection is solid ;) | 04:43 |
| pygi | :P | 04:43 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: are still going to MTV? I remember you said something about maybe not being able to go. | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 04:45 |
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| lguerra | hi all | 04:50 |
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| UltraGuy8 | hello everyone | 04:58 |
| pygi | he | 04:59 |
| pygi | hey | 04:59 |
| UltraGuy8 | I am a complete beginner to Linux and want to experiment with it on my laptop, is Edubuntu a good distribution for a beginner? | 04:59 |
| pygi | do you think you'll need some Edu applications? | 05:00 |
| pygi | you could install it as workstation | 05:00 |
| stgraber | Edubuntu is Ubuntu but with educational software and is more designed for schools, maybe should you try Ubuntu | 05:00 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, no...I'm not able to go | 05:01 |
| pygi | cb, dont mention it | 05:02 |
| UltraGuy8 | well essentially I will be using my laptop fro school | 05:02 |
| UltraGuy8 | for | 05:03 |
| UltraGuy8 | do I lose anything by installing edubuntu rather than ubuntu? | 05:03 |
| stgraber | I don't think, you will just have more extra packages added | 05:07 |
| FunnyLookinHat | UltraGuy8, I am not sure that edubuntu is what you will need as a student necessarily... It's main advantages tend to be seen in elementary and middle school learning areas with it's extra packages | 05:08 |
| stgraber | I got an Ubuntu on my laptop and an Edubuntu on my workstation (for testing / debuging) and except the desktop theme and the educational software, I don't see any difference | 05:08 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Don't get me wrong, it's a great distribution... I'm just not so sure I can see you using tux-paint ever for school work : ) | 05:08 |
| stgraber | or gcompris :) | 05:08 |
| FunnyLookinHat | agreed. ; | 05:09 |
| FunnyLookinHat | ; ) | 05:09 |
| stgraber | yes, maybe the best idea is to install a classical Ubuntu and then add the software you want (for example kalzium, kig, kmplot that can be useful) | 05:09 |
| stgraber | both Ubuntu and Edubuntu use the same packages list, then you will find all the edubuntu's software in your Ubuntu's synaptic | 05:10 |
| stgraber | FunnyLookinHat: That would be a great thing to be able to choose the school level at the begining of the install | 05:11 |
| FunnyLookinHat | stgraber, It really would. And to choose whether you want it to be more of a teacher's classroom management computer, or a student's lab-type computer. | 05:11 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Are you involved in edubuntu development? | 05:11 |
| cbx33 | Well, I think this release the focus will be al ittle more geared to generecism | 05:12 |
| cbx33 | well I hope so at least | 05:12 |
| pygi | cbx33, you are right | 05:12 |
| pygi | we do have some plans for making Edu closer to high school and uni use cases | 05:12 |
| cbx33 | The wallpaper this release increases this sense of genercism | 05:12 |
| stgraber | indeed :) | 05:13 |
| cbx33 | and I hope it will be reflected in the our choice of apps and such | 05:13 |
| FunnyLookinHat | oh ok... How easy is it to take the thin-client software and implement it with a fresh install of edubuntu between, say 5 computers and a main server? That could be another area to focus on adding usability in an installation method | 05:13 |
| highvoltage | geez. generecism... genercism... these are weird words to me. | 05:13 |
| cbx33 | FunnyLookinHat, EASY | 05:13 |
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| pygi | highvoltage, hehe | 05:14 |
| cbx33 | sorry highvoltage | 05:14 |
| FunnyLookinHat | cbx33, O RLY? sweetness. To be honest I've only messed around with edubuntu slightly, I've had to order another KVM switch to get my workstations setup well enough to start really tinkering. | 05:14 |
| cbx33 | FunnyLookinHat, LTSP setup is really really simple | 05:14 |
| cbx33 | esp if it's all on one network, and the LTSP server is your dhcp server | 05:14 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: :) | 05:15 |
| cbx33 | at work I have a windows DHCP server which serves the whole school and it was still a piece of cake to setup | 05:15 |
| FunnyLookinHat | cbx33, what if you use a router such as a linksys as your dhcp server? I'd have to change that then? | 05:15 |
| FunnyLookinHat | oh sweet | 05:15 |
| cbx33 | FunnyLookinHat, yes you would | 05:15 |
| cbx33 | unless | 05:15 |
| cbx33 | you have two networks.... | 05:15 |
| cbx33 | have the ltsp server with two network cards | 05:16 |
| FunnyLookinHat | right. well that makes sense with what I've read about ltsp | 05:16 |
| cbx33 | ;~) | 05:16 |
| FunnyLookinHat | I'm one of the edubuntu contacts for my community team so I'm really trying to understand the more fine points of the release and test them thoroughly : ) | 05:17 |
| FunnyLookinHat | However, I have to run to work for now... | 05:17 |
| FunnyLookinHat | thanks for the info cbx33 | 05:17 |
| cbx33 | ok | 05:17 |
| cbx33 | np FunnyLookinHat | 05:17 |
| cbx33 | how are you highvoltage been a long time since we said hey ;) | 05:17 |
| stgraber | cbx33: Are you going to use the VOIP for the UDS ? | 05:18 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: I've been working really hard the last 8 days or so, I'm actually slightly frustrated right now | 05:22 |
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| highvoltage | have *lots* that I have to finish before the end of the work, and the weather is getting real nice and everyone else is starting to get into a party mood | 05:22 |
| cbx33 | stgraber, indeed I am | 05:22 |
| cbx33 | awwww | 05:22 |
| highvoltage | but I've been productive and I'm happy the way things are going. | 05:22 |
| === cbx33 never really does that party mood thing | ||
| cbx33 | though the past 2 weeks I've been taking it easy | 05:23 |
| pygi | highvoltage, nice weather? :P it started to snow yesterday :P | 05:23 |
| cbx33 | but I'll be busy shortly... | 05:23 |
| highvoltage | pygi: heh, we'll we had that here a few months ago when everyone was still miserable :) | 05:23 |
| cbx33 | new ubuntu sounds - cambio - SCP - artwork - MOTU | 05:23 |
| cbx33 | and that's just the stuff I've planned | 05:24 |
| cbx33 | ;)# | 05:24 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: I'm working on a lot of things I want to get into edubuntu eventuall, like this: http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/screenshots/dvd (artwork not final, btw) | 05:24 |
| cbx33 | hmm...seems my keyboard wants me to have a goaty | 05:24 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: so that you can install ubiquity on the live cd without having to log into gnome, or use the live cd as a rescue cd | 05:24 |
| cbx33 | nice | 05:24 |
| cbx33 | well I'm hoping to get an alpha version of cambio by the end of the week | 05:25 |
| cbx33 | drag and drop file conversion applet ;) | 05:25 |
| highvoltage | also a gui that lets you choose services you want to start on the livecd, so that you can choose wheter or not you want to start ltsp and schooltool and apache, etc | 05:25 |
| cbx33 | yes...i beleive ltsp on the live cd is happening for feisty | 05:25 |
| cbx33 | or should I say....I hope it is | 05:26 |
| cbx33 | kinda like a preload config util | 05:26 |
| highvoltage | yes, but I think users should be able to easily choose whether they want ltsp to run or not | 05:27 |
| === pygi nods | ||
| === cbx33 nodes | ||
| cbx33 | it's like a nod | 05:27 |
| cbx33 | but more ascertive ;) | 05:27 |
| cbx33 | who has ekiga here now? | 05:30 |
| stgraber | cbx33: I have it, but I use twinkle now (ekiga is a bit buggy ...) | 05:34 |
| highvoltage | I thought it's like a nod, but it forks and spreads | 05:34 |
| highvoltage | and infects everything | 05:34 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 05:35 |
| cbx33 | twinkle hmmm | 05:35 |
| stgraber | yes, that's the currently recommended software for UDS | 05:35 |
| === cbx33 apt-gets | ||
| cbx33 | :( awww it's kde based | 05:35 |
| stgraber | yes :( | 05:36 |
| === cbx33 installs anyway | ||
| stgraber | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate | 05:36 |
| cbx33 | is there any schedule yet for monday> | 05:36 |
| stgraber | not that I know, btw I didn't even see the one of today :) | 05:37 |
| stgraber | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView <-- that will be here in the schedule part | 05:37 |
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| pygi | bddebian, ping? | 05:59 |
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| theresa | hello world! | 06:30 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all | 06:51 |
| sbalneav | Hey RichEd | 06:51 |
| === ogra waves | ||
| RichEd | hello sbalneav :) | 06:51 |
| stgraber | hi RichEd | 06:52 |
| sbalneav | Dudes, why aren't you in the front row. | 06:52 |
| sbalneav | It's where all the cool people are! | 06:52 |
| ogra | we're shy | 06:52 |
| sbalneav | Phhht | 06:52 |
| RichEd | fabio is too scary up close | 06:52 |
| ogra | :) | 06:52 |
| sbalneav | Fabio is fabuloso! | 06:53 |
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| sbalneav | I'm in easy-codec-installation | 07:10 |
| sbalneav | Making sure codecs work with LTSP | 07:10 |
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| pygi | sbalneav, we wont have burning over LTSP BOF, right? | 07:34 |
| sbalneav | Did you submit a spec for it? | 07:34 |
| sbalneav | If not, I'll submit one today, and see if I can beg MDZ to get some time for it | 07:34 |
| pygi | I didnt | 07:34 |
| pygi | since we really didnt got time to talk about it ... | 07:35 |
| sbalneav | ok, let me see what I can do... | 07:36 |
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| pygi | thanks | 07:37 |
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| sbalneav | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ltsp-cd-burning | 07:42 |
| sbalneav | Fill in some bits in the wiki page. | 07:43 |
| sbalneav | Click on the "read more" link, and do some editing. | 07:43 |
| ogra_ | sbalneav, hey, thanks for the wiki update on e-d-s | 07:43 |
| sbalneav | ogra_: I added the cd burning spec. | 07:43 |
| ogra_ | great | 07:43 |
| ogra_ | you also added the edubuntu-directory-server wiki :)) | 07:44 |
| pygi | sbalneav, I'll add some bits, and get to you then :) | 07:44 |
| sbalneav | I've proposed it for a meeting, do I have to beg mdz for time? | 07:44 |
| sbalneav | ogra_: Yeah, just going though my schedule, and trying to make things a bit easier for everyone. | 07:44 |
| ogra_ | sbalneav, yeah, you need t beg mdz | 07:45 |
| sbalneav | :| | 07:45 |
| ogra_ | *to | 07:45 |
| sbalneav | Does he still like me? :) | 07:45 |
| ogra_ | he's very open on that :) | 07:45 |
| ogra_ | suuure :) | 07:45 |
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| sbalneav | What's the best way? Email? | 07:45 |
| ogra_ | either that or just ask him if you run over him | 07:46 |
| ogra_ | err ... into indeed :) | 07:46 |
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| pips1 | run over.. hehe | 07:47 |
| sbalneav | ok, I'll email now, and if I see him, I'll run him over. | 07:48 |
| ogra_ | *g* | 07:48 |
| sbalneav | ok, sent email. | 07:51 |
| ogra_ | great | 07:51 |
| sbalneav | pygi: start editing :) | 07:51 |
| ogra_ | nah.... | 07:51 |
| ogra_ | start implementing ;) | 07:51 |
| sbalneav | lol | 07:51 |
| sbalneav | working code trumps theory every time :) | 07:52 |
| ogra_ | hehe | 07:52 |
| pygi | sbalneav, ogra_ : I'm working on multi session code :P | 07:52 |
| ogra_ | via ltsp ? wow, great :) | 07:53 |
| ogra_ | ;) | 07:53 |
| sbalneav | LTSP FTW | 07:53 |
| ogra_ | \o/ | 07:54 |
| pygi | ogra_, not via LTSP :P | 07:54 |
| pygi | don't mess around with me :P | 07:54 |
| sbalneav | If you don't want to get messed around with, you're hanging out in the wrong channel. :) That's what we do best :) | 07:55 |
| ogra_ | heh | 07:55 |
| Nuffing | hi sbalneav :) | 07:55 |
| pygi | errghhh :P | 07:55 |
| sbalneav | Hello Nuffing | 07:55 |
| ogra_ | hey Jane !!!! | 07:55 |
| Nuffing | sbalneav, oh sorry Nuffing = JaneW | 07:55 |
| Nuffing | hey ogra :) | 07:55 |
| pygi | Nuffing, yay, hello you :) | 07:55 |
| Nuffing | hi pygi | 07:55 |
| pygi | long time no see | 07:55 |
| sbalneav | Nuffing: Hey Hey! | 07:55 |
| Nuffing | TV is not half as appealing without the foot rub ;) | 07:56 |
| sbalneav | :) | 07:56 |
| pygi | sbalneav, is it in our scope for example to patch Brasero to make it work over LTSP? :P | 07:59 |
| pygi | sbalneav, also trivial editing done, please see and say that everything is bad | 08:00 |
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| moquist | ogra_: hi :) | 08:01 |
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| sbalneav | pygi: Looks good. I'll do some fleshing out a bit later. | 08:03 |
| pygi | sbalneav, ok, that's nicer way to say that it's bad :) | 08:04 |
| sbalneav | Not bat at all. | 08:04 |
| sbalneav | err bad | 08:04 |
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| pygi | Nuffing, how is you? any good news? :) | 08:27 |
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| stgraber | for edubuntu people at udsmtv, there is the #edubuntu-uds channel | 09:06 |
| highvoltage | were? | 09:09 |
| highvoltage | where? | 09:09 |
| stgraber | what ? | 09:09 |
| highvoltage | where is the edubuntu-uds channel? | 09:10 |
| stgraber | on irc, freenode | 09:10 |
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| highvoltage | I just find an empty channel when I join it :/ | 09:11 |
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| pygi | hey bddebian | 11:08 |
| bddebian | Heya pygi | 11:08 |
| pygi | bddebian, Am I free to bug you? :) | 11:08 |
| bddebian | For whatever it's worth, sure | 11:09 |
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