[12:23] <toma> allee: svn up, you can now indicate the port number
[12:23] <allee> toma: cool
[12:23] <toma> hi el
[12:24] <el> hey toma 
[12:24] <toma> el: do you know if usability people have time for Mailody?
[12:25] <el> toma, not sure. best write an email to the kde-usability list. 
[12:25] <toma> allright
[12:25] <el> toma, and ask in #openusability (but rather during daytime) :)
[01:13] <fdoving> toma: i cleaned up my mailbox, removed some directories, and such. Can't get mailody to re-read the mailbox list.
[01:14] <toma> fdoving: ah, i thought i saw that as well
[01:14] <fdoving> 'get mailbox list' doesn't remove the removed mailboxes.
[01:14] <toma> indeedy
[01:14] <toma> that would mean that i have to delete the stored messages as well, right?
[01:15] <fdoving> the local messages, yes.
[01:16] <allee> toma: your smtp server seem to have problems (verified with kmail). I don't feel like investigating so I test the smtp port feature later.
[01:17] <fdoving> 'sync mailbox with server' makes duplicates 
[01:17] <allee> nite
[01:17] <fdoving> nite allee.
[01:17] <toma> allee: nite
[01:18] <fdoving> the duplicates disappear if you select another mailbox, and then re-select the one with the duplicates.
[01:21] <toma> fdoving: mark all as read is now committed
[01:21] <fdoving> nice.
[01:21] <toma> fdoving: the duplicates issues will be in the part that i will rewrite soon
[01:22] <fdoving> ok, doesn't bother me much. just tested the sync feature.
[01:28] <fdoving> nite.
[01:28] <fdoving> deb is building. I'll have to wait till tomorrow to test the new feature :)
[01:34] <fdoving> is sendt mail automatically saved somewhere, or does everything go away after send? 
[01:35] <fdoving> preferably one per identity.
[01:36] <toma> fdoving: it is saved in the folder you used to start the composer
[01:37] <toma> fdoving: fetch folder list is now working as it should
[01:37] <fdoving> very nice. I'll have to cancel the build-deb process and restart it then.
[01:37] <toma> ;-)
[01:37] <toma> imho it makes no sense at all to store send mail in a separate folder
[01:38] <fdoving> you're probably right.
[01:38] <toma> you would always want to store it with the original
[01:38] <fdoving> It's something i've always done. but I can see the nonsense.
[01:38] <fdoving> did you commit the fetch-folder change? 
[01:38] <toma> yes
[01:38] <fdoving> does #mailody exist? 
[01:39] <toma> no, i'm misusing #rsibreak mostly
[01:39] <toma> i probably be better registering it 
[01:40] <fdoving> ok. I'll join you there then. been sliiigthly offtopic in here the last ~4 hours :)
[04:18] <jsgotangco> hey Hobbsee
[04:18] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Please ask Spads to configure your VOIP registration, and see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate
[03:34] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:19] <Riddell> ooh, new pyqt
[04:20] <fdoving> basket 0.6 is nice.
[04:20] <fdoving> and bzr-builddeb is very nice.
[04:28] <seaLne> fdoving: you seen the debs i made on revu and up on basket website?
[04:29] <fdoving> seaLne: yes, I got those. You're missing dh_makeshlibs
[04:29] <seaLne> ah
[04:29] <fdoving> fyi :)
[04:30] <seaLne> ta
[04:30] <seaLne> still seems to work ... :)
[04:30] <seaLne> its one of those dangerous things to miss
[04:30] <fdoving> it does, but it does not run ldconfig in the postinst script.
[04:32] <fdoving> and one more thing i noticed.
[04:32] <fdoving> the md5sum of your orig.tar.gz didn't match the upstream tar.gz
[04:33] <seaLne> he changes the tgzs with updates and dosen't change the version which is annoying
[04:33] <fdoving> ah.
[04:33] <fdoving> that's annoying. 
[04:34] <fdoving> shoud add a -n then. 0.6.0-1 and so on.
[04:35] <seaLne> i hadn't realised there had been any changes since those packages, i'll check again when feisty opens and make another package then
[04:36] <seaLne> is udsmtv utc-8?
[04:39] <fdoving> dont know.
[04:39] <fdoving> bbl.
[05:13] <blackmoon> how can i change the text color in the kubuntu boot? The blue text is too dark and unredable...
[05:14] <Viper550> edgy or dapper?
[05:18] <blackmoon> Viper550: edgy
[05:18] <Viper550> you'll need to modify the usplash theme
[05:19] <blackmoon> Viper550: for the text line? are you shure?
[05:19] <Viper550> yes, but the new system for theming on Edgy is a bit more flexible. I suggest you ask kwwii if he comes by, he made that splash and can help you out
[05:21] <blackmoon> Viper550: oh, ok i'll ask to kwwii when he will come
[05:28] <fdoving> blackmoon: it's pictures. get the source of 'kubuntu-default-settings' take a look at the stuff in usplash/
[05:31] <blackmoon> fdoving: ok, thanks
[05:36] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[05:36] <jeroenvrp> it seems no one the answer on this question:
[05:36] <jeroenvrp> how to hide or disable the 'hibernate computer' button, when I log off in kde?
[05:37] <fdoving> Riddell: do you keep your pkg-kde branch of KDE kubuntu packaging up2date or do you manage it elsewere?
[05:50] <jeroenvrp> please does someone has the answer!?
[05:51] <abattoir> jeroenvrp: i think you'll need to 'remove' the patch which adds that, nothing straightforward afaik
[05:51] <jeroenvrp> abattoir: remove the patch? That means recompile?
[05:52] <abattoir> jeroenvrp: from what i understand of it, yes
[05:53] <jeroenvrp> this is madness
[05:53] <abattoir> jeroenvrp: i'm not a 100% sure, but someone'd correct me if i'm wrong
[05:54] <jeroenvrp> I have 2 PC's with Kubuntu and they both do not need it and hibernate is not stable enoogh to really use for a desktop
[05:54] <jeroenvrp> they both are on 24/h day, so this option is very dangereous
[06:14] <jeroenvrp> Bug #70454
[06:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70454 in Ubuntu "Not an option to hide or disable the "Hibernate computer" button in the logout screen of KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70454
[06:17] <gnomefreak> are the kubuntu repos for koffice down?
[06:32] <Riddell> fdoving: it's not really up to date
[08:28] <jeroenvrp> #70481
[08:29] <jeroenvrp> Bug #70481
[08:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70481 in kdebase "Pressing cancel or 'end current session' will both close the session and will give a crash (only when logout options are disabled)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70481
[08:41] <mhb> jeroenvrp: and? 
[08:41] <jeroenvrp> mhb: what you mean
[08:41] <mhb> jeroenvrp: need it fixed? confirmed?
[08:42] <jeroenvrp> mhb: both
[08:44] <mhb> jeroenvrp: I'll try to reproduce it
[08:44] <jeroenvrp> mhb: thanks, hopefully I wrote it down clearly enough
[08:45] <jeroenvrp> proberly its related to bug 70454
[08:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70454 in Ubuntu "Not an option to hide or disable the "Hibernate computer" button in the logout screen of KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70454
[08:45] <jeroenvrp> a workarounf is to not offer logout options
[08:45] <jeroenvrp> but that produces the other bug
[08:46] <jeroenvrp> mhb: maybe you have to press twice on cancel
[08:51] <mhb> jeroenvrp: hmm ... the same crash as in your description here
[08:51] <jeroenvrp> mhb: thats great news and not so great news
[08:52] <mhb> yep
[08:56] <mhb> it's actually good news ... the first step is getting the bug confirmed :o) I'll try to do look into it a bit more, but I have some other stuff to do (and it's not exactly bug-hunting season, you know)
[09:04] <mhb> jeroenvrp: seems it was a duplicate (and there is a patch available - thank Lure)
[09:04] <Lure> mhb: true, and I am sorry for this stupid bug ;-)
[09:08] <Riddell> kkk
[09:21] <nixternal> [14:08:42]  <Riddell> kkk
[09:21] <nixternal> ^^ Riddell, be careful doing that in the United States
[09:21] <Mez> nixternal, lol
[09:22] <nixternal> wow, especially being white with a foreign accent, they will think he is the leader ;)
[09:22] <Hawkwind> Hah
[09:23] <nixternal> if anyone is in the "Kubuntu VOIP Solution" meeting, don't forget about KPhone, of which I added to the wiki
[09:23] <nixternal> heh, right as i pressed enter they said something about it
[09:30] <Lure_> nixternal: I mentioned it here, the problem (from Tonio_) is it is unmaintained (last vers nov 2004)
[09:32] <nixternal> there are new releases from last month
[09:32] <nixternal> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=47742
[09:32] <nixternal> 2 months ago Lure_
[09:33] <nixternal> yes, they now have a team of devs, it seems the old site has been removed and now it is sourceforge
[09:34] <Lure_> [15:32]  <nixternal> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=47742
[09:36] <nixternal> ya Lure, i heard you mention it ;)  i haven't messed with it just yet, because i was under the impression it was old as well, until i went to the website about 15 minutes before your BoF started
[09:36] <Lure> nixternal: are you listening our talks?
[09:36] <nixternal> yup
[09:36] <Tonio_> hey nixternal
[09:37] <nixternal> hiya Tonio_!
[09:37] <Tonio_> nixternal: thanks for the link
[09:37] <nixternal> no problem
[09:37] <Tonio_> I though kphone wasn't maintained
[09:37] <nixternal> ya, i thought the same until i decided to look at some info today, and noticed they have a new dev team
[09:38] <nixternal> im using it to listen to you all now..it works great, very simple to use
[09:38] <nixternal> im using the one from the repos
[09:39] <nixternal> hahaha
[09:39] <nixternal> i can hear kphone rings
[09:50] <fdoving> Riddell: do you manage it somewhere else in bzr/svn? do you want patches? debdiffs? I have attached a few patches to some bugs. small fixes mainly. bug 67610 and bug 59059
[09:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67610 in kdebase "Typing error in a script for Khelpcenter" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67610
[09:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59059 in kdeedu "Spelling error in KVocTrain (Vocabulary Trainer) app." [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59059
[09:54] <Riddell> fdoving: I don't keep them in revision control
[09:55] <fdoving> Riddell: ok.
[09:57] <Riddell> fdoving: poke me with those patches in a couple of weeks when I start doing the merges
[09:59] <Riddell> fdoving: actually you could probably send those to debian
[09:59] <Riddell> fdoving: poke fabo or allee when they're around
[10:01] <fdoving> Riddell: one is fixed in debian, the other is kubuntu specific.
[10:02] <fdoving> 59059 is fixed in debian, 67610 is introduced in a kubuntu patch.
[10:26] <mhb> um ... what's the current time at the uds-mtv?
[10:26] <mhb> UTC- how many? 8?
[10:28] <Hawkwind> Yes
[11:07] <sebas> mhb: Ity
[11:07] <sebas> 's currently 14:07 over here
[11:10] <nixternal> imbrandon: come on, lets rock on KOffice by default!
[11:10] <mhb> sebas: thanks
[11:11] <mhb> am I able to just listen to the discussion?
[11:11] <nixternal> mhb: which discussion?
[11:11] <sebas> mhb: Well, there is some VOIP thing here, so I suppose yes.
[11:11] <nixternal> im listening to the "KOffice" one by imbrandon
[11:12] <sebas> Thing is, I don't know how
[11:12] <sebas> Ah, nixternal know
[11:12] <sebas> s
[11:12] <mhb> nixternal: ok
[11:12] <mhb> nixternal: I set up the voip account and all
[11:12] <nixternal> have you gotten an account setup to connect with Ekiga, Twinkle, or KPhone?
[11:12] <nixternal> oh, ok
[11:12] <nixternal> which client are you using?
[11:12] <mhb> kphone
[11:12] <claydoh> well my wife does
[11:12] <nixternal> sweet
[11:13] <claydoh> she hates MS Office and OOo
[11:13] <nixternal> 5004@canonical.com
[11:13] <nixternal> type that in that address bar belwo the 'sip:yourname' and press enter
[11:13] <nixternal> if you join, unplug your mic
[11:13] <nixternal> or mute it
[11:13] <mhb> nixternal: thx
[11:13] <mhb> nixternal: sure
[11:14] <nixternal> i think open mics create a crackling sound
[11:15] <mhb> thanks nix
[11:15] <nixternal> imbrandon: yes on importing word documents!
[11:16] <nixternal> they are switching to the XML stuff
[11:18] <nixternal> argh, who is in the "KOffice" meeting...the one thing with the partnership with Novell and MS, is the office standards, and they are going to be doing hte XML stuff, and creating patches for OOo, which needs to be reciprocated to KOffice
[11:24] <mhb> nixternal: did you do some optimisations for the kphone codecs or the like? there's a quite lot of background noise for me
[11:25] <jjesse> which confrence?
[11:25] <nixternal> i have no background noise, but i did just hear like a fan or a whine just now
[11:25] <mhb> nixternal: yeah, me too
[11:25] <nixternal> UDS MTV, KOffice
[11:25] <mhb> nixternal: it stopped just now
[11:25] <jjesse> is that on gobby?
[11:25] <nixternal> mhb, that was someone with an open mic, more than likely a laptop with the built in mic..because I can hear typing as well
[11:25] <nixternal> jjesse: SIP
[11:25] <jjesse> nixternal: ah
[11:25] <nixternal> Kphone, Ekiga, or Twinkle
[11:26] <nixternal> mhb, do you hear that person typing?
[11:26] <nixternal> that is our suspect, he/she has a cd-rom in the drive, and they keep accessing it, that or the fan on the computer comes on..and the mic is built into their laptop, so it picks up all the vibration noises
[11:26] <mhb> nixternal: yes, and the konsole beeps too :o)
[11:26] <nixternal> haha ya
[11:26] <nixternal> they hit tab twice, or backspaced to far ;)
[11:31] <mhb> nixternal: BTW: who's present there? I can recognize imbrandon's arguments, but who next?
[11:32] <nixternal> imbrandon is all i know
[11:32] <nixternal> he needs to know that Office 2007 is supporting OASIS now
[11:32] <jjesse> so how crappy would the confrence be on a non-high speed linK?
[11:32] <jjesse> on a windows box cna i use skype to connect?
[11:32] <mhb> jjesse: nope
[11:32] <nixternal> i don't know jjesse..this is super real time on a cable modem though
[11:32] <jjesse> hmm
[11:33] <mhb> jjesse: but there are VOIP clients for Windows
[11:33] <nixternal> jjesse: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate
[11:33] <jjesse> yeah i'm looking for one right now
[11:33] <nixternal> i think twinkle works on windows???
[11:34] <nixternal> they aren't a dieing breed in 3rd world countries ;(
[11:35] <jjesse> hmm
[11:49] <fdoving> nite.
[11:49] <nixternal> g'nite
[12:06] <mhb> goodnight
[12:06] <jjesse> good night