[12:11] <ismael_> Hello...
[12:11] <ismael_> I feel terribly stupid... I was just using Kopete and I hid the main menu... I can't find it anymore :(
[12:12] <ismael_> how do I get it back?
[12:12] <blueyed> ismael_: ctrl-shift-F or sth similar
[12:13] <linuxwizard> hello has anyone installed patch for kopete for the ICQ issue for dapper
[12:13] <ismael_> blueyed: nope, it doesn't do anything
[12:13] <ismael_> blueyed: what's "something" similar?
[12:13] <jeff_> hmmm, does adept package manager search for available downloads?  I do a fetch updates but nothing gets added to the list.  It only shows whats already installed.  Any ideas?
[12:14] <blueyed> ismael_: check other apps.. AFAIK it's a general KDE shortcut. I'm off now.. good luck.
[12:14] <binary2k2> ismael_: try Ctrl-M
[12:15] <ismael_> binary2k2: yes, I found it :)
[12:15] <binary2k2> :D
[12:15] <ismael_> binary2k2: it's terrible... It shouldn't be so well hidden
[12:15] <ismael_> binary2k2: I looked in konqueror's menu...
[12:16] <cntb> have skype_debian-1.3.0.53-1_i386.deb on Desktop
[12:16] <cntb> how apt-get instals that ?
[12:16] <jeff_> I was going to install firefox and synaptic, but it's not showing adept.
[12:16] <binary2k2> ismael_: it's under the "Settings" menu "Hise Menubar  Ctrl-M"
[12:17] <binary2k2> *hide
[12:17] <ismael_> binary2k2: yes, but once hidden... how do you find it?
[12:17] <ismael_> binary2k2: specially if you hid it by mistake...
[12:17] <binary2k2> ismael_: it should be the same on all KDE apps
[12:18] <ismael_> binary2k2: what I'm saying is that it isn't userfriendly
[12:18] <ismael_> cntb: just clicking it should install it... manual instalation is done by dpkg
[12:18] <binary2k2> ismael_: nothing is, unless you know what the commands are. :)
[12:19] <ismael_> binary2k2: nah, that's not true. I knew I had hidden the menubar... But there wasn't any command anywhere in the window to get it back. Only way to get it back was knowing ctrl-m
[12:20] <cntb> k ismael
[12:20] <cntb> aptitude -i can do ?
[12:20] <ismael_> binary2k2: I shouldn't have to know every command for if I ever misclick.. :(
[12:20] <ismael_> cntb: I don't know... try it :)
[12:21] <binary2k2> ismael_: true, I only knew it by looking in kopetes menu :P
[12:21] <ismael_> binary2k2: lol
[12:21] <cntb> has two tar.gz control and data
[12:21] <ismael_> binary2k2: which I would had... only that I didn't have the damn thing :P
[12:21] <jeff_> synaptic is so much better than adept.  If only I could get to it.
[12:22] <binary2k2> jeff_: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[12:22] <ismael_> cntb: what has two targz and data?
[12:22] <cntb> it is skype ---- .deb
[12:22] <ismael_> cntb: you mean that clicking it opened the file instead of installing? then right click and select install
[12:22] <cntb> ok
[12:23] <jeff_> where is apt-get located?
[12:23] <binary2k2> jeff_: open konsole and type it in to there
[12:23] <jeff_> oh, ok thanks
[12:23] <cntb> ismael_: offers only archiver
[12:23] <omicron> hi. I accidently removed the pager applet in kde. anyone who knows how to get it back?
[12:24] <binary2k2> jeff_: you'll type in your pass, then press y to install
[12:24] <cntb> where is the deb installer ?
[12:24] <Keaton> How do I upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10? Do I just apt-get kubuntu-desktop or is there a better way to do it?
[12:24] <jeff_> ok, gonna try it now
[12:24] <ismael_> jeff_: I don't know why you need to know that... but: to know where a command is located use "which apt-get". That will give you a location. In general, you'll also have to do ls -l /path/to/apt-get
[12:24] <omicron> !upgrade
[12:24] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[12:24] <binary2k2> omicron: open Konsole and type "sudo apt-get install adept"
[12:25] <ismael_> cntb: isn't there a submenu which says "install"?
[12:25] <binary2k2> ismael_: i think he was looking for it in the K-menu?
[12:25] <cntb> btw is astronaute Mr. Shuttleworth ?
[12:25] <ismael_> cntb: I don't have any deb around here...
[12:25] <cntb> ubuntu can install rpm as well
[12:26] <cntb> but now I stared with .deb
[12:26] <omicron> binary2k2: i have adept.. i only need to get my pager applet back to the taskbar
[12:26] <ismael_> cntb: in theory it can... but I never used it... and it should be *much* easier to install a deb
[12:27] <cntb> all ubuntu is built on it
[12:28] <binary2k2> omicron: try pressing "Alt-F2" and type in "adept_notifier" and click run
[12:28] <jeff_> I need some basic Linux instruction. Duuuuuhhhhh. I'm pretty good at installing linux distros and getting them to coexist with windows, but i'm not much on manual configuring or getting around in console. Doooooyyyyy.
[12:28] <binary2k2> cntb: ubuntu can't install rpm's directly, it needs to convert them to deb
[12:33] <jeff_> Reading package lists... Done
[12:33] <jeff_> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:33] <jeff_> Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:33] <jeff_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:33] <jeff_> is only available from another source
[12:33] <jeff_> E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate
[12:33] <jeff_> jeff@jeff-desktop:~$
[12:33] <jeff_> Daaarrrrr, what does that mean?
[12:33] <Tm_T> !paste
[12:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:33] <jeff_> thanks ubotu
[12:34] <tarkos> salut
[12:34] <binary2k2> jess_: can you post your /etc/apt/sources.list (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/)
[12:34] <binary2k2> jeff_: can you post your /etc/apt/sources.list (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/)
[12:35] <binary2k2> sorry i called you jess :P
[12:35] <jeff_> lol
[12:38] <jeff_> Daaarrrr, I tried the pastey thing but I don't know where It goed too at.  What da heck. How does dat be workin?
[12:38] <Hawkwind> jeff_: Post the resulting URL
[12:39] <jeff_> I feels like I'm getting dumberer by the minute.
[12:39] <jeff_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30228/
[12:40] <jeff_> oh, liken to that?
[12:40] <Hawkwind> jeff_: Yes.
[12:40] <Hawkwind> binary2k2: ^^^^
[12:40] <jeff_> hehehe, I be seein hows it works now.
[12:40] <binary2k2> jeff_: yeah, but this time can you post your, /etc/apt/sources.list :P
[12:42] <jeff_> How do I get the /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:42] <BluesKaj> yeah , there's nothing like a dose of linux probs to bring ya back to reality
[12:42] <binary2k2> open it in kate
[12:43] <binary2k2> jeff_: then copy and paste
[12:43] <jeff_> open what in where?
[12:43] <binary2k2> jeff_: ok ...
[12:43] <binary2k2> jeff_: go to:
[12:44] <jeff_> sorry, I'm too dumb.
[12:44] <binary2k2> jeff_: K-menu -> Utilities
[12:44] <binary2k2> jeff_: then click on Kate
[12:44] <jeff_> k, im there
[12:44] <binary2k2> jeff_: File -> open
[12:45] <binary2k2> jeff_: and type: /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:45] <binary2k2> jeff_: and click "open"
[12:45] <jeff_> ok, got it
[12:45] <LeeJunFan> putting myself in the linux newbie shoes tonight, helping my 7 yr old install edgy right now :)
[12:46] <binary2k2> jeff_: copt and paste that to the website you used before
[12:46] <LeeJunFan> just wait till I teach him how to install and build beryl from SVN :)
[12:46] <ismael_> LeeJunFan: LOL
[12:46] <binary2k2> :P
[12:47] <ismael_> My Katapult crashes :'(
[12:47] <jeff_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30229/
[12:47] <jeff_> k, got it
[12:48] <binary2k2> jeff_: ahh, so that's why you can't install anything
[12:48] <donvito> can i boot kubuntu from floopy?
[12:48] <RadiantFire> er, you have no repositories
[12:48] <RadiantFire> that'll do it
[12:49] <h3sp4wn> donvito: I don't think it a supported method (someone made a set for breezy though(
[12:49] <jeff_> how do i get some supositories?
[12:49] <donvito> i cant boot it from cd
[12:50] <donvito> i need for dapper
[12:50] <binary2k2> jeff_: close kate, then press "Alt-F2" and type in "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> donvito: Put the disk into another machine then - or do a network boot
[12:51] <binary2k2> jeff_: then replace it all with this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30230/
[12:51] <Arafangion> Ha, found this quote:
[12:51] <Arafangion> Debugging a Direct3D application can be challenging.
[12:51] <Arafangion> Microsoft's Direct3D Immediate Mode overview.
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> donvito: It is possible if you read and use the kernel etc from the netboot directory
[12:51] <binary2k2> jeff_: copy it from the "Make a correction" part or you'll get the line numbers
[12:52] <der_steppenwolf> i am upgrading my kubuntu distribution, but it seems the server archive.ubuntu.com is overloaded, isn't it?
[12:52] <h3sp4wn> donvito: There was a post on the forums about how a guy did it of breezy
[12:52] <georgeb> Arafangion: just wondering, if you use pppoe how did you configure it ?
[12:52] <jeff_> ok
[12:52] <Arafangion> georgeb: I purchased a router with an ethernet port.
[12:52] <binary2k2> jeff_: or download it from http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30230/plain/
[12:52] <donvito> h3sp4wn than there is no files to download themand put in flooppy than booting
[12:52] <donvito> ;)
[12:53] <georgeb> Arafangion: oh; I thought that you set the pppoe on the computer
[12:53] <Arafangion> georgeb: Those who make their own lives hard willingly do so.
[12:53] <h3sp4wn> donvito: If you want to do that you have to do it yourself (Its not a supported installation method but debian can do it so its not inherantly impossible with the text mode installer)
[12:53] <donvito> so will u help me about this?
[12:54] <donvito> i cant boot kubuntu from cd
[12:54] <donvito> my machine says that i need to do update on my bios
[12:54] <jeff_> binary, so i just save the file when done?
[12:54] <donvito> but i dont want to do that maybe i can fuck up the bios
[12:54] <donvito> right?
[12:54] <lessnick> the kde configuration panel used to have a drop down menu to choose which panel I was configuring. How do I configure extra panels now?
[12:55] <binary2k2> jeff_: yep, as long as you didn't past over the line numbers :P
[12:55] <binary2k2> jeff_: after that, in konsole, type "sudo apt-get update"
[12:55] <binary2k2> jeff_: then you should be able to install what you want
[12:56] <jeff_> k
[12:57] <jeff_> E: Type 'to' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:57] <jeff_> that's what i got
[12:58] <binary2k2> jeff_: then you didn't copt it right :P
[12:58] <jeff_> k, im gonna pull it back up in kate
[12:59] <binary2k2> jeff_: make sure you open it the was you did before Alt-F2 ...
[01:00] <binary2k2> jeff_: when you open kate, click File -> Open and type in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30230/plain/
[01:01] <binary2k2> jeff_: then File -> Save As
[01:01] <binary2k2> jeff_: and save as "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:02] <jeff_> ok, hold on
[01:02] <damien94> hello
[01:02] <HymnToLife> binary2k2, would have been simple to just wget && sudo mv it ;)
[01:02] <HymnToLife> simpler*
[01:03] <binary2k2> HymnToLife: is that simpler for a noob? maybe
[01:03] <HymnToLife> course that is
[01:04] <binary2k2> HymnToLife: you'r probably right, shame I didn't think of it earlyer tho
[01:06] <jeff_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30232/
[01:06] <jeff_> ok, thats what i got, hope thats better
[01:07] <binary2k2> jeff_: yep, that's what you wanted
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> crap, this should be fun to figure out. the machine is freezing after kde login on my kids computer. Doesn't make sense why it would cause such a hard lockup at that point after they system is booted.
[01:07] <binary2k2> jeff_: now you can install synaptic, or whatever you want :D
[01:07] <raytray25> How could I disable the touchpad?
[01:08] <HymnToLife> in your BIOS ?
[01:08] <jeff_> oh cool, even adept is working now, thanks alot
[01:08] <binary2k2> no problem :)
[01:08] <jeff_> what do you think happened, was there a problem with the install?
[01:08] <jeff_> i wouldn't think you would have to do that on every new installatioon
[01:08] <fabio_> how to install eclipse?
[01:09] <HymnToLife> nope, you just messed your sources.list somehow
[01:09] <jeff_> hmm, can't imagine what i did
[01:09] <binary2k2> jeff_: when you install it tries to connect to the servers, and if it can't (eg you don't have internet) it comments them out
[01:09] <RawSewage> how do you get Audio Preview working in Konqueror
[01:09] <georgeb> !eclipse
[01:09] <jeff_> oooohhhhhhh, i see now.
[01:09] <ubotu> eclipse: Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 121 kB, installed size 412 kB
[01:10] <RawSewage> !audio preview
[01:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audio preview - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:10] <binary2k2> thats what the "Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:" was
[01:10] <jeff_> i got an error at the end of the install.  Said it couldn't access security updates
[01:10] <georgeb> fabio_: you have to setup the universe repo; and eclipse&plugins are there
[01:10] <jeff_> that's because this computer is on a secure wireless network
[01:11] <fabio_> ok georgeb, thanks
[01:11] <jeff_> kubuntu, recongnized my wireless card though, first distro to do that
[01:11] <binary2k2> that's why then, I don't like that "feature" of the installer because it causes problems like that
[01:12] <jeff_> yep,  these linux distros are definitely getting better though. glad to see it. Can't wait for the day when i can phase out windows entirely.
[01:14] <binary2k2> when you get more confident on linux then you will get frustrated with windows and delete it
[01:14] <binary2k2> that's why I removed it, I grew to HATE it :P
[01:15] <jeff_> the main reasons I keep windows are: 1. I can't seem to ever get my printer working.  2. There are some websites that I log into that will not accept anything other than IE. Even when you tell the browser to report as IE.
[01:16] <jeff_> Ticks me off.
[01:16] <barkatmon> Hm.. Kubuntu 7.04?
[01:16] <barkatmon> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/release-notes/C/
[01:16] <binary2k2> the printer thing I can relate to, as to the websites, complain to them
[01:17] <Arafangion> Why are those release notes under 'C'?
[01:17] <binary2k2> 'C' is the language code
[01:17] <barkatmon> are there an typo maby
[01:17] <jeff_> Some webmasters are like my wife.  Hung up on windows.
[01:17] <Arafangion> jeff_: That day is already here, except for the varous niche applications.
[01:18] <jeff_> I started using open office before linux.  I can't get my wife to touch open office either.
[01:18] <Arafangion> jeff_: And recently Mozilla Firefox has surged in popularity, so the IE thing isn't /quite/ as bad as it used to be.
[01:18] <Arafangion> jeff_: Which version of MS Office does she use?
[01:19] <gnomefreak> most IE sites will accept netscape browsers
[01:19] <jeff_> yes, i need to get my firefox installed and try the sites in question again.
[01:19] <gnomefreak> except microsoft sites
[01:19] <Arafangion> Safari, the default mac browser, has also made the web much nicer. (Being based on khtml)
[01:19] <georgeb> gnomefreak: ms accept non-IE browser just to show the clients how messed up other browsers are :)
[01:20] <jeff_> ms office 2003
[01:20] <Arafangion> jeff_: I hear that will work under Crossover, though I have yet to get my copy working on linux (As I'm too poor to get a CX license)
[01:20] <Linux_Galore_> Arafangion: you dont need a license for CX
[01:21] <binary2k2> if it will work on Crossover, it may work with wine
[01:21] <jeff_> is crossover an emulator?
[01:21] <Linux_Galore_> jeff_: no its wine with some nice hacks
[01:21] <jeff_> oic
[01:21] <Arafangion> jeff_: It's an implementation of windows that uses Linux as a base, rather than the windows kernel.
[01:21] <jeff_> weird
[01:21] <Linux_Galore_> jeff_: get wine add a app installer ui and some hacks to make sure they work
[01:22] <Arafangion> binary2k2: It's technically possible to get MS Office 2003 to work on winehq's Wine, but it's very, very difficult.
[01:22] <Arafangion> binary2k2: Prior versions of MS Office work well on winehq and easily, though.
[01:22] <Linux_Galore_> jeff_: very similar in concept as winetools
[01:22] <jeff_> does wind mimic windows registries?
[01:22] <RawSewage> I uninstalled a program, but it's still appearing as an empty item when I right-click a file in Konqueror.  How do I remove this from my Konqueror right-click menu?
[01:22] <Arafangion> jeff_: It provides it's own.
[01:22] <Arafangion> jeff_: Even has regedit :)
[01:23] <Arafangion> jeff_: It sandboxes the windows app by neccessity, however it's as native as it can be.
[01:23] <jeff_> oh cool
[01:23] <Dr_Willis> :)
[01:23] <HymnToLife> RawSewage, Settings > Configure Konqueror > File associations
[01:23] <jeff_> are windows apps slow under wine?
[01:23] <Arafangion> jeff_: Though, wine is /still/ incomplete, so it's pretty much touch and go.
[01:23] <Dr_Willis> jeff_:  some are faster. ;-)
[01:24] <barkatmon> i have an problem with wep in kubuntu 6.10 cant connect via wlan when wep enabled on the netgear router
[01:24] <HymnToLife> personnaly, I prefer VMWare when I need to use WIndows stuff in nux
[01:24] <Arafangion> jeff_: Wine Is Not an Emulator - it really does directly execute the applications natively.
[01:24] <RawSewage> HymnToLife, It's not in there
[01:24] <jeff_> man, i need to play with that. learn more about it
[01:24] <Dr_Willis> vmware is darn handy to learn/use also.
[01:24] <barkatmon> when disable wep encryption is works fine..using wlan now
[01:24] <RawSewage> HymnToLife, wait, let me check a diff ext
[01:24] <Dr_Willis> i use vmware to test out live cd's
[01:24] <HymnToLife> maybe it differs a bit, I'm on KDE 3.5.5 atm
[01:24] <Arafangion> Dr_Willis: Ironically, sometimes windows is faster in an emulator, due to seriously crap drivers.
[01:25] <jeff_> vmware?
[01:25] <binary2k2> jeff_: you can istall wine in adept, but look at the website for info http://www.winehq.org/
[01:25] <Arafangion> jeff_: vmware _is_ an emulator :)
[01:25] <Dr_Willis> Arafangion:  ive heard its often due to the linux filesystems being so good. :)
[01:25] <jeff_> oh ok
[01:25] <HymnToLife> but vmware actually works ;)
[01:25] <georgeb> Dr_Willis: that's a funny interesting ideea; let's create some packages with adware under wine so the transition from windows to linux will be more smooth "look, you also have your friendly pop-ups"
[01:25] <RawSewage> HymnToLife, no, not there.  the ext doesnt list the program that I see when right-clicking
[01:25] <Arafangion> HymnToLife: It's more reliable, sure.
[01:26] <barkatmon> anyone have an thought about wep?
[01:26] <HymnToLife> it just needs a stronger machine
[01:26] <RawSewage> HymnToLife, It's in the Actions menu
[01:26] <Arafangion> Dr_Willis: That argument goes both ways, Ext3 has a number of flaws.
[01:26] <RawSewage> HymnToLife, how do I remove things from the Actions menu
[01:26] <Dr_Willis> georgeb:  yep.. wife was constantly getting these 'wallpaper/other things' with spyware wrappers.. id use wine.. extract the actual wallpaper, then remove the spyware stuff.
[01:26] <Arafangion> Dr_Willis: The fs argument really is the cache.
[01:26] <Dr_Willis> Arafangion:  everything has flaws. :)
[01:26] <binary2k2> Arafangion: let's see what ext4 has
[01:26] <RawSewage> HymnToLife, Right-click, Actions -- And it shows the empty shell of the program that used to be installed
[01:26] <Arafangion> binary2k2: ext4 is intruging.
[01:26] <RawSewage> HymnToLife, does that make sense
[01:27] <jeff_> how long ago did you guys start using linux?
[01:27] <HymnToLife> yeah, got it ;)
[01:27] <Arafangion> jeff_: Probably 6 years ago.
[01:27] <Dr_Willis> ext4 - has potential :) or so i hear.
[01:27] <HymnToLife> but I don't know how to change that, lemme have a lok at it
[01:27] <shannon> how do I install the 2.6.17-7 kernel on edgy?
[01:27] <hollywoodb> barkatmon: I don't use it, I just have MAC filtering on my router so only I can connect to it... I don't see why I need the signal between my systems and my router to be that 'secure'
[01:27] <HymnToLife> doesn't it come with a 2.6.17-10 ?
[01:27] <RawSewage> HymnToLife, ok
[01:27] <alexander_> I know its off topic, but has anyone else had problems with gaim crashing? Just today, it started crashing whenever I opened a conversation window.
[01:28] <Arafangion> alexander_: It crashes because it is called "Gaim".
[01:28] <Arafangion> alexander_: If it didn't crash, we'd have to call it something else.
[01:28] <jeff_> hehehe
[01:28] <RawSewage> HymnToLife, I think I found it
[01:28] <alexander_> ara: thank you, how very helpful.
[01:28] <binary2k2> jeff_: my verry 1st install was mandreke 6, or somethin (before it was called mandriva), back in mid 90's
[01:28] <hollywoodb> alexander_: why not just use kopete or the greatest IM client there is: centericq
[01:28] <RawSewage> HymnToLife,   .kde/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus
[01:28] <RawSewage> HymnToLife, I'll just delete those 2 .desktop files
[01:28] <Arafangion> binary2k2: That the one with the broken compiler and the incompatible core libs?
[01:28] <RawSewage> HymnToLife, thx
[01:28] <alexander_> Because I like gaim, and just because I am stuborn.
[01:29] <Arafangion> alexander_: Gaim is, and has always been, unstable.
[01:29] <binary2k2> Arafangion: i don't remember, i was like 12 :P
[01:29] <Arafangion> alexander_: Believe it or not, it's much better than it used to be.
[01:29] <Arafangion> binary2k2: Ahh, in that case I'm probably thinking of MDK7.0
[01:29] <barkatmon> ok.. hollywoodb well ill givit a try for a while.
[01:29] <Arafangion> binary2k2: Frustrated me enough to get onto LFS.
[01:29] <alexander_> Yeah, the whole MSN thing was annoying. Well, I guess I am going to try reinstalling it then.
[01:30] <Arafangion> alexander_: reinstalling won't make any difference.
[01:30] <Arafangion> alexander_: It only incidently seems to fix things on windwos because windows installers are a *joke*
[01:30] <binary2k2> Arafangion: my 1st taste of linux was on a 600MHz cpu with a whopping 1GB HDD :P
[01:30] <alexander_> In this case, I think it will. I think I messed with some setting I shouldnt have.
[01:30] <Arafangion> binary2k2: Nice.
[01:30] <jeff_> My first decent install was about 2 years ago.  But I never did get very technical with it.  Once I got it on the internet i considered it good enough.
[01:31] <Arafangion> binary2k2: I had a P 90 MHz
[01:31] <binary2k2> Arafangion: those were the days, all command line and buggy GUIs :D
[01:32] <Arafangion> binary2k2: I tried to run RH with Gnome, as root :) Those were the days.
[01:32] <binary2k2> :P
[01:32] <jeff_> I've also got pclinuxos dual booting with windows xp on my dell laptop.
[01:33] <Arafangion> jeff_: I've actually deleted windows entirely.  Got sick of Visual Studio, when I caught myself typing TWO LINES IN ADVANCE, I thought "Damn, this is crap".  So now I run it in an emulator.
[01:33] <Arafangion> jeff_: Now, I can only type one line in advance. :)
[01:33] <binary2k2> I tried pcbsd a few months ago (in vmware) and tried compiling firefox, took about 3 hours :P
[01:33] <hollywoodb> binary2k2: well that's vmware for ya :P
[01:33] <jeff_> hehe
[01:34] <Arafangion> Actually, that's still fast.
[01:34] <Bubba_Gump> heh, gnome
[01:34] <binary2k2> i wasn't brave enough to dual boot it
[01:34] <Bubba_Gump> every time i hear gnome i think of pink floyd :P
[01:34] <Arafangion> binary2k2: You should compile KDE ;)
[01:34] <shannon> Is it possible to install the 2.6.17-7 kernel on edgy?
[01:34] <Arafangion> binary2k2: Takes longer than glibc.
[01:34] <jeff_> are u guys programmers?
[01:34] <Arafangion> shannon: Consult the dictionary, and ponder on the meaning of the term "possible".
[01:34] <binary2k2> Arafangion: no thanks, I actually want to use my PC this year :P
[01:34] <Arafangion> jeff_: I am, yes.
[01:35] <Arafangion> binary2k2: This is why I like Debian the best :)
[01:35] <Arafangion> binary2k2: Though, I'm currently in Ubuntu-land because it supports my laptop better.
[01:35] <binary2k2> Arafangion: before i installed kubuntu i was running a pure debian system
[01:36] <binary2k2> Arafangion: with those 6 CDs
[01:36] <shannon> Arafangion: okay -- how about -- can I install linux 2.6.17-7-AMD64 through apt?
[01:36] <jeff_> cool, I think it would be cool to learn more about programming.  Especially with all the open source stuff available now.  Is Python a good lanquage to learn?
[01:36] <Arafangion> binary2k2: I always did a netinstall.
[01:36] <HymnToLife> I'm running Debian right now
[01:36] <Arafangion> binary2k2: Ran a Debian mirror on a 256k line once, damn I was a newbie then.
[01:36] <HymnToLife> Etch, installed like a breeze on my lappy
[01:36] <binary2k2> Arafangion: i was on dial-up at the time
[01:36] <Arafangion> binary2k2: Even so, it's still faster.
[01:37] <alexander_> hey, instead of crashing, it is hanging! progress!
[01:37] <Arafangion> binary2k2: netinstall only downloads what you need.
[01:37] <binary2k2> Arafangion: i was young and fancy free :P
[01:37] <HymnToLife> but requires a working NIC
[01:37] <Arafangion> binary2k2: Even then, the first three CD's is usually more than everybody needs.
[01:37] <alexander_> So how do I change my default browser to firefox?
[01:38] <Arafangion> binary2k2: My first Debian was paid for, cost me $30
[01:38] <Arafangion> binary2k2: Which was cheaper than downloading it.
[01:38] <binary2k2> Arafangion: i dont think I ever used more than the first 2 CD's, othen than the odd package
[01:38] <georgeb> shannon: I don't see 2.6.17-7 as a package; only 2.6.17-10, and that's the one that comes with edgy; you can check running uname -a
[01:39] <Arafangion> shannon: Why do you want kernel 2.6.17-7?
[01:40] <binary2k2> wasn't the the kernel on knot1?
[01:40] <Arafangion> http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/251/ <-- Interesting article.
[01:40] <HymnToLife> that's definitely !offtopic
[01:41] <Arafangion> HymnToLife: How so?
[01:42] <ubuntu> Hi
[01:42] <HymnToLife> because it has nothing whtsoever to do with Kubuntu support :)
[01:42] <HymnToLife> !hello | ubuntu
[01:42] <ubuntu> How to I turn off the friggin' bouncing cursor? It annoys me to no end.
[01:42] <ubotu> hello: The classic greeting, and a good example. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1-4 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 472 kB
[01:42] <alexander_> Well, it (gaim) mysteriously fixed its self. Now I am going to go see if it will let me connect to IRC.
[01:43] <Arafangion> HymnToLife: But it does, it raises awareness as to the purpose of a computer.
[01:43] <Arafangion> alejandro_: xchat is far superiour for irc.
[01:43] <ubuntu> I don't like x-chat at all.
[01:43] <ubuntu> Horrible interface.
[01:43] <ubuntu> I prefer konversation.
[01:44] <Arafangion> I haven't used konversation, but you do have to admit, xchat is still far superiour for irc than gaim.
[01:44] <ubuntu> I haven't used gaim, so I wouldn't know.
[01:44] <HymnToLife> ant than Konvesation, too
[01:44] <ubuntu> I would probably take a gamble and say that I'd prefer gaim even over x-chat.
[01:45] <HymnToLife> friggin proxy blocking everything
[01:45] <HymnToLife> so I have to SSH into my home server and connect with irssi
[01:45] <Arafangion> HymnToLife: My uni blocked _everything_ except http via port 80 on the slow, overloaded proxy.
[01:45] <Arafangion> HymnToLife: Couldn't even ssh!
[01:45] <binary2k2> ubuntu: to turn off the bouncing cursor, go in to System Settings, click mouse and uncheck "Visual feedback on activation" (i think)
[01:46] <ubuntu> That doesn't work.
[01:46] <noiesmo> Arafangion, you could tunnel ssh over http to by pass proxy there are scripts all you need is a ssh server to recive the tunnel on a particular port
[01:46] <dbglt> hey, I'm trying to get a gnome-esque panel up the top of the screen, but also incorporating the current menu of the selected application (like OSX), but kde is showing a double width panel
[01:46] <Arafangion> noiesmo: No, I couldn't.
[01:46] <dbglt> is there any way to make it single width?
[01:47] <ubuntu> In kcontrol it would be in launch feedback, and when I "search" the System Settings, it gives me 1 result, but no actual icons lit up.
[01:47] <Arafangion> noiesmo: Correction: SOMETIMES I was able to tunnel through port 80 on the proxy, but it was extremely unreliable to connect, and once connected, it was so slow as to be nearly useless.
[01:47] <noiesmo> Arafangion, well were I work all is block and I can tunnel out
[01:47] <binary2k2> ubuntu: there is  a check box in the kde menu editor that says launch feedback, that may be what you'r lookin for.
[01:47] <arriesp> ola
[01:47] <binary2k2> ubuntu: but it on all apps by default
[01:48] <Arafangion> noiesmo: http polling was the _only_ mechanism available for a tunnel :(
[01:48] <binary2k2> ubuntu: don't know how to turn it off globaly
[01:48] <ubuntu> binary2k2: In "normal KDE" it would be in launch feedback.
[01:48] <ubuntu> Why isn't it somewhere in System Settings? =/
[01:49] <noiesmo> Arafangion, http://zwitterion.org/software/ssh-https-tunnel
[01:49] <binary2k2> ubuntu: you can get the "Clasic" system settings app with kcontrol
[01:49] <jeff_> ahhh man.  I just installed firefox with adept but it's not showing up in the program listing.
[01:49] <HymnToLife> ubuntu, try running kcontrol, from konsole or something
[01:49] <ubuntu> I know that.
[01:49] <HymnToLife> instead of kubuntu's System Settings
[01:49] <ubuntu> I just wanted to know if it was possible without doing that and using the kubuntu menus.
[01:49] <Arafangion> noiesmo: I am aware how to make a tunnel.
[01:49] <ubuntu> Could be that they had hidden it some place else.
[01:49] <HymnToLife> well, seems it isn't :p
[01:50] <Arafangion> noiesmo: I also suspect that it was an inspective proxy.
[01:50] <noiesmo> Arafangion, k cool :)
[01:51] <Arafangion> noiesmo: Though, for a time, I managed to find an old, obscure sun server that offered telnet (and only telnet) access, which had telnet (and only telnet) access to the outside.
[01:51] <Arafangion> noiesmo: And even then, _only_ to the telnet port, but that, at least, was enough for irc ;)
[01:51] <jeff_> in kubuntu, do you have to reboot for a newly installed program to show up in the kmenu?
[01:51] <kenshinx> Is there a installer that does not involve invoking a gui, gui goes nuts on my lapo
[01:51] <kenshinx> laptop*
[01:51] <binary2k2> jeff_: try running kbuildsycoca from konsole
[01:51] <binary2k2> jeff_: at worst, a logout and login
[01:52] <jeff_> k
[01:52] <Arafangion> Ooh, a nice quote: Applicants must also have extensive knowledge of UNIX, although they should have sufficiently good programming taste to not consider this an achievement. (MIT job advertisement)
[01:52] <HymnToLife> kenshinx, get your hands on an Alternate CDs
[01:52] <kenshinx> meh
[01:52] <kenshinx> ill just install slackware 11 then
[01:52] <Arafangion> jeff_: rebooting is truely a windows phenomenon.
[01:52] <HymnToLife> (the "Alternate" name is funny btw, I'm pretty sure that's what most people use)
[01:52] <hollywoodb> jeff_: every great once in a while you hit an app that doesn't have a menu entry... it won't have a .desktop file as part of the package. if that happens file a bug @ launchpad to let the devs know
[01:53] <HymnToLife> oh
[01:53] <binary2k2> HymnToLife: it's what i always use
[01:53] <jeff_> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[01:53] <Arafangion> jeff_: It is said that the only case where you may possibly have to reboot a Linux system, especially a modern linux system, is if you're upgrading the kernel or actually replacing a non-hot swappable hardware component.
[01:53] <binary2k2> I miss the days when you got the liveCD and the InstallCD
[01:53] <lessnick> how do I configure panels that aren't the main panel?
[01:53] <Arafangion> jeff_: I suspect that most of window's reboots are caused by over-eager file locking and an inability to restart dependant services.
[01:54] <jeff_> oh, ok
[01:54] <HymnToLife> yep, I still use my Breezy when I need a live CD
[01:54] <HymnToLife> Dapper's take ages to load
[01:55] <binary2k2> jeff_: if it won't showup (in the internet sub-menu) then just logout and back in
[01:55] <jeff_> hmm, well i make try to log in again and see if that makes a difference.  be right back
[01:55] <jeff_> k
[01:55] <lessnick> or how do I invoke/install the standard kde control center thing?
[01:55] <kenshinx> sweet
[01:55] <HymnToLife> kcontrol
[01:55] <kenshinx> found a nice slackware .edu mirro
[01:55] <kenshinx> no caps from .edu w00t ;)
[01:56] <HymnToLife> reminds me to reinstall my Slack too, fifth OS on my lappy :)
[01:56] <kenshinx> lol wtf!
[01:56] <kenshinx> i just have 2 :|
[01:56] <lessnick> HymnToLife: thank you. I finally found the drop down box to configure other panels in there.
[01:57] <HymnToLife> but I guess I'll ditch Ubuntu out now I got my Debian working the way I want
[01:57] <kenshinx> meh, 1meg a sec from the web...not bad
[01:57] <HymnToLife> And try another one instead :p
[01:57] <binary2k2> try puting 5 versions of windows on one computer and see what happens :P
[01:57] <kenshinx> binary2k2, hehe thats what we have virtualilzation softwrae :D
[01:57] <kenshinx> vmware, etc
[01:57] <HymnToLife> vmwae is no fun
[01:58] <HymnToLife> everything working OOTB, blah
[01:58] <binary2k2> or qemu
[01:59] <lessnick> I can't be the only one that uses multiple panels.. This was an annoying experience. Is it possible to get more of a vanilla kde configuration in kubuntu?
[02:00] <Dr_Willis> i guess i only use the 1 panel. ;)
[02:01] <kenshinx> i have like 2-3 panels usually
[02:01] <jeff_> well, it still didn't show up in the kmenu
[02:01] <kenshinx> using kde
[02:01] <kenshinx> but i use vanilla kde
[02:01] <binary2k2> jeff_: did you logout, then back in?
[02:01] <jeff_> i found firefox is the user/bin/lib folder
[02:01] <jeff_> yep
[02:02] <binary2k2> strange
[02:02] <jeff_> where is the actual execution file located?
[02:02] <binary2k2> jeff_: the binary?
[02:02] <hollywoodb> man, wonder how long its going to take to compile kde on freebsd under vmware :|
[02:03] <odres> .l.l
[02:03] <larson9999> jeff_: kmenu is kinda goofey like that
[02:03] <noiesmo> jeff_, binary2k2 I'm pretty sure that kubuntu-default-settings sets the menu etc and I have removed it so my menu is the normal kde style
[02:03] <binary2k2> jeff_: just run "firefox" from the run dialog (alt-f2)
[02:05] <jeff_> hey, it does work
[02:05] <binary2k2> noiesmo: i don't remeber how, but i once got it to have both KDE style and kubuntu style at the same time
[02:05] <jeff_> i just have no link in kmenu
[02:05] <binary2k2> jeff_: make one then :P
[02:05] <jeff_> how hard would it be to make one.  Or an ic0n on desktop
[02:06] <binary2k2> jeff_: easy, once you know how
[02:06] <noiesmo> jeff_, right click on K menu button and select edit
[02:06] <noiesmo> jeff_, menu edit that is
[02:06] <HymnToLife> binary2k2, like pretty much everything :p
[02:07] <binary2k2> I'm glad they use the "official" firefox logo now, not the old blue world one
[02:08] <HymnToLife> the blue one is stil there
[02:08] <HymnToLife> un the uper left cornet and in the About windows
[02:08] <binary2k2> sorry, on edgy i mean
[02:08] <HymnToLife> in Edgy too
[02:08] <binary2k2> yeah, just noticed :P
[02:09] <binary2k2> I'll have to change that some time
[02:13] <HymnToLife> I stil go with the mozilla.com builds for FF and TB
[02:14] <lessnick> I made an entire hard drive an lvm physical volume. It works fine, but fdisk and cfdisk consider the drive empty. This sounds like an accident waiting to happen...
[02:15] <h3sp4wn> HymnToLife: Its quite uninteresting firefox2 do you not think ? (minefield does seem quite a leapforward though)
[02:15] <lessnick> oh whoops there go all the important files in my home directory!
[02:15] <HymnToLife> h3sp4wn, I like it that way, so I do it that way :)
[02:16] <h3sp4wn> HymnToLife: There is daily builds of the trunk also you know
[02:19] <lessnick> h3sp4wn: what makes it such a leap forward?
[02:21] <h3sp4wn> lessnick: Renders CSS right
[02:22] <jeff_> alright, things are looking up now.  Got my firefox working.  I am able to acces one site I didn't used to be able to with firefox.  so thats good.
[02:22] <binary2k2> jeff_: glad you got it workin
[02:22] <jeff_> thanks
[02:22] <lessnick> h3sp4wn: hah. that's all you needed to say. I'd definitely consider that a big leap forward if that's all it improved.
[02:23] <jeff_> I think i'm going to like kubuntu pretty good.
[02:23] <binary2k2> i know i do :D
[02:24] <HymnToLife> I liked it too, until I got Debian working on my lappy :p
[02:24] <jeff_> can you edit the bootloader from within kubuntu.  I was wondering if i could change the boot order.
[02:24] <HymnToLife> jeff_, sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:25] <enotee> i get "Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format:" when i try to burn  .wma files in Amarok
[02:25] <jeff_> will it let me select the order, or do i manually have to enter it
[02:26] <HymnToLife> what do you mean "order" ?
[02:27] <Dr_Willis> enotee:  i would say track down a way to convert the wma to mp3's
[02:27] <jeff_> well, im dual booting with windows
[02:27] <HymnToLife> and would like to boot Windows by default ?
[02:27] <jeff_> by default it boots kubuntu in a certain amount of time
[02:27] <jeff_> yes
[02:28] <LjL> !grub
[02:28] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:28] <HymnToLife> just edit the default line in your menu.lst
[02:28] <jeff_> ok, thanks
[02:28] <LjL> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/ChangeDefaultOS specifically
[02:29] <jeff_> yes
[02:29] <jeff_> thankyour
[02:31] <momal> anyone know a good progam that will edit tags on mp3 files based on there filename and path?... amarok does it but it stops if it hits something like ! in one of the names :(... and i need one that will do it all in one hit with amarok i would need to click 2 different buttons each time >_<
[02:32] <noiesmo> momal, easytag might help
[02:32] <binary2k2> HymnToLife: I got firefox to use the official logo, quite easy actually
[02:33] <lessnick> momal: I've never used it, but I've heard good things about easytag
[02:34] <momal> thanks will try it out ^_-
[02:38] <campbch> when installing a new cursor theme, what file should i use for the manager? it pulls up a dialogue asking for the cursor theme, but i select -------.theme and it states that it is not a valid theme file?
[02:40] <enotee> what app should i use to convert .wma to mp3
[02:41] <campbch> ... don't use either!
[02:41] <campbch> convert to .ogg, use vorbis tools... for a nice gui use...
[02:41] <campbch> !soundkonverter
[02:41] <RawSewage> Does anyone know how to enable Audio Previews
[02:41] <ubotu> soundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1047 kB, installed size 1980 kB
[02:41] <hollywoodb> RawSewage: audio previews of what?
[02:41] <RawSewage> So when I hold my mouse over an audio file in Konqueror, it plays it
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> ive seen that... very annoying.. :)
[02:42] <RawSewage> I need it
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> 'need' ? lol
[02:42] <RawSewage> Yes
[02:42] <RawSewage> Im making audio shows and have to sort through hundreds of clips
[02:42] <RawSewage> So I do 'need' it
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> i recall some packae was needed to be insalled for it to work..but cant rember the  exact one.
[02:43] <RawSewage> I had it working once a while ago
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> might also be a setting under the previews control-panel-thing
[02:43] <RawSewage> I've looked through all of that
[02:43] <RawSewage> Guess I'll search the forums a bit more
[02:44] <RawSewage> Most of their advice is for Nautilus though
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> hmm... perhaps hats where i saw it also...
[02:44] <hollywoodb> RawSewage: give google a shot, find the package, then search for it in the repos
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> ask in #KDE if its even doable?
[02:44] <RawSewage> Ok
[02:45] <RawSewage> Thanks
[02:47] <momal> thanks, easytag seems to do what i want :)... now to go through 3400+ songs >_<
[02:49] <campbch> whenever i try to save an image in firefox, it tries to save a download.php file? why is this? the url is not a .php, it is a .jpg, and it works fine in konqueror?
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> Who knows the format of ~/.gtk2rc ?
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> i dont evn have one. ;)
[02:52] <binary2k2> i have a ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[02:52] <jeff_> well, i edited the bootloader, but got it to default to the wrong line because evidently i did some updates now more than one kernel shows up in the boot listing.  2 boot kernels and 2 recovery
[02:53] <binary2k2> jeff_: so you have 5 items in the list now?
[02:53] <h3sp4wn> binary2k2: Can you pastebin it so I can see the format ?
[02:53] <jeff_> and i don't remember the command to get in there and edit it again.  the commands on the tutorial didn't work.  it was the one with the nano in it that worked
[02:53] <h3sp4wn> binary2k2: (unless its horrendously long)
[02:53] <HymnToLife> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:53] <jeff_> yep 5 boot options
[02:54] <lessnick> jeff_: the comment in my grub.conf mentions something about savedefualt. you might want to try that.
[02:54] <binary2k2> h3sp4wn: i'll do that for ya, it's only small
[02:54] <h3sp4wn> binary2k2: thanks alot
[02:54] <jeff_> thanks hymn that was it
[02:55] <binary2k2> h3sp4wn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30236/
[02:55] <theholycow> Is there a way to dump my RAM contents or view them? I've got a bunch of unsaved work in a frozen gedit... (yes, I'm a dumbass)
[02:56] <h3sp4wn> binary2k2: thanks alot
[02:56] <binary2k2> h3sp4wn: no problem
[03:04] <RawSewage> Audio Previews enabled by:  View - Preview - Sound Files
[03:04] <lessnick> theholycow: I'm sure it's possible
[03:05] <lessnick> theholycow: I always that /dev/mem would let me poke at all the memory.. but I'm running "strings" on it now and I'm not finding much
[03:05] <theholycow> hey, neato...it's running away with my CPU and my RAM, too. :(
[03:05] <MistaED> theholycow: if you can, try and look up how to dd your ram onto the hdd as an image
[03:05] <theholycow> lessnick: Silly me...I was looking in /proc. I'll check out /dev/mem now.
[03:06] <Dr_Willis> heh in the old days...
[03:06] <lessnick> theholycow: i seem to be wrong though :-(
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> for x = 1 to 1000000000000 ; print chr$(peek()),;next x
[03:07] <theholycow> MistaED: That sounds like a bad idea -- maybe causing an endless loop. Maybe I can dd it incrementally or something...
[03:07] <MistaED> yeah no idea, just a suggestion
[03:08] <theholycow> MistaED: Maybe okay. It is a suggested use of dd in http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/How_To_Do_Eveything_With_DD
[03:09] <theholycow> http://security.raffy.ch/Network_Security/Forensics/Forensic_Analysis.php3 says it's okay too
[03:10] <theholycow> well, what do I have to lose...if I drop out of here, you'll know what happened. <G>
[03:16] <theholycow> neato
[03:16] <theholycow> I ran strings on the output
[03:17] <theholycow> I forgot that it would be so fragmented...
[03:17] <lessnick> are you finding the contents of your text file?
[03:18] <lessnick> I used "gcore" that the security.raffy.ch page mentioned and had much better luck. I found the contents of a vi session.
[03:18] <theholycow> I can't tell. A  lot of it was pasted in bits and pieces from other stuff that's open...
[03:20] <theholycow> nice...I didn't even notice that.
[03:22] <ira> WOW I have edgy running 64AMD and an ATI card... I rock!
[03:22] <ira> but...
[03:22] <ira> is there a flash player for X86_64?
[03:23] <h3sp4wn> ira: gnash only
[03:24] <theholycow> gcore is one damn cool piece of software! I can study what kind of data is actually in use...
[03:24] <ira> gnash? pouquoir
[03:25] <ira> no gnash in Adept
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> !gnash
[03:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:27] <h3sp4wn> ira: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[03:27] <letalis> gnash is in constant development
[03:27] <letalis> you about have to build it from cvs
[03:27] <ira> ok so I have to install cvs
[03:27] <lessnick> theholycow: i agree, I'm happy to have learned about it today. I'm a little annoyed that it doesn't have a man page.
[03:28] <letalis> ira: how much expierence do you have building from source?
[03:28] <theholycow> lessnick: seems it has extremely little syntax anyway
[03:28] <ira> I am glad you asked!
[03:28] <ira> I havent rolled a kernal in 3 years
[03:28] <ira> so I would say on a scale of 1 to 10
[03:29] <letalis> well then, its like riding a bike.
[03:29] <ira> .5
[03:29] <letalis> LOL
[03:29] <ira> are you brave enought to run me throught it
[03:30] <letalis> well cvs instructions will be on gnashs website
[03:30] <letalis> the channel they are in here is #gnash
[03:30] <letalis> you might want to ask them if cvs is stable enough to use right now
[03:30] <letalis> before you do it
[03:30] <ira> ok well I have installed cvs from adept
[03:31] <ira> and downloaded gnash
[03:31] <ira> so there I am going
[03:31] <binary2k2> there is a tar.gz here http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnash/0.7.1/
[03:31] <ira> got it
[03:31] <theholycow> hmm...gotta find pre-fab sed for eliminating duplicate lines...
[03:31] <letalis> on sites that i absolutely have to have flash i just run firefox from wine :)
[03:31] <letalis> lol
[03:31] <ira> like er youtube?
[03:32] <letalis> i think youtube uses windows media player doesnt it?
[03:32] <larson9999> now there's flash 9 on linux! woohoo!
[03:32] <theholycow> youtube uses flash. I just use youtube-get
[03:32] <ira> but not 64 bit
[03:32] <ira> what is that?
[03:33] <theholycow> it's a script that downloads the file
[03:33] <theholycow> then you can play it with ffplay
[03:33] <letalis> ira: your other option is to setup a 32 bit chroot and get the 32 bit version of your browser in it
[03:33] <theholycow> (and you can keep it on your hard drive!)
[03:33] <letalis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575&highlight=chroot
[03:34] <letalis> excellent howto
[03:34] <larson9999> ira don't you chroot ff?
[03:34] <ira> nope
[03:35] <ira> the chroot is interested it works for edgy as well
[03:35] <h3sp4wn> ira: Or build a 32 bit firefox against ia32-libs
[03:36] <h3sp4wn> ira: (avoids using chroot) but with schroot it can be pretty seemless
[03:37] <h3sp4wn> ira: or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202537 (if you want to do the first without doing it yourself)
[03:37] <letalis> i have two chroots in edgy right now
[03:38] <letalis> one for 32 bit builds and such
[03:38] <letalis> one for 64 bit ones
[03:38] <h3sp4wn> letalis: Do you use schroot ?
[03:38] <letalis> keeps from having to have all the development stuff loaded into my actual installation
[03:38] <letalis> dchroot
[03:38] <letalis> which i think uses schroot since it installed it as well
[03:40] <h3sp4wn> But with dchroot you have to have /dev etc specifically mounted or bound to use ?
[03:40] <h3sp4wn> I am using schroot now which handles that without loads of entries in fstab
[03:40] <letalis> an example line in fstab would look like this:
[03:40] <letalis> ./dev /chroot/dev bind none 0 0
[03:41] <letalis> theyre bound
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> I have used it before but if you use schroot properly they are not necessary
[03:42] <ira> now al i have to find is a better itc client then Konversation
[03:43] <BluesKaj> Konversation rocks !... good luck finding something better :)
[03:43] <ravencrow> better than konversation?
[03:43] <ravencrow> konversation is the best ;[
[03:43] <TFrog> frankly i like KVirc as an irc client
[03:43] <campbch> :D ethereal is awesome
[03:44] <binary2k2> wireshark
[03:44] <theholycow> BitchX kicks ass, but konversation sure is convenient
[03:44] <letalis> good old bitchx
[03:44] <letalis> :)
[03:44] <campbch> yeah
[03:45] <lessnick> for an irc client, i haven't strayed from irssi in years.
[03:45] <nertil> i didi it
[03:45] <nertil> i maked it
[03:45] <campbch> but wireshark isn't on the repositories yet
[03:45] <nertil> kubuntu working on my machine
[03:45] <nertil> nice!
[03:45] <nertil> :D
[03:45] <binary2k2> campbch: yeah it is, i have it installed
[03:45] <h3sp4wn> lessnick: Do you use irssi in xterm ?
[03:46] <binary2k2> campbch: the ethereal package just depends on wireshark now
[03:46] <letalis> irssi in a screen is nice
[03:46] <letalis> you can move it between a console and X
[03:47] <lessnick> h3sp4wn: inside screen inside a konsole window at the moment.
[03:47] <ravencrow> console irc clients are boring..I need teh eyecandy
[03:47] <ravencrow> ;[
[03:47] <ravencrow> lol
[03:48] <letalis> console irc. they way it was meant to be, damnit.
[03:48] <letalis> :)
[03:48] <ravencrow> :P
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> lessnick: Still trying to work out how to use /bind to get alt + arrows working right (XTerm*metaSendsEscape:  true) alt + number (but for alt + right arrow I have to currently use escape)
[03:48] <letalis> if i wasnt working in X at the moment id be in irssi
[03:49] <h3sp4wn> lessnick: I prefer the way screen does tab's to the way konsole does them (just use xterm + screen)
[03:50] <ira> i'm looking at the Adapt manager I want to add the universe but I am unsure what my uncommented lines should look like
[03:50] <ravencrow> just take off the #
[03:50] <ira> ok right click enable!
[03:50] <theholycow> h3sp4wn: Screen can do tabs? I've used screen for years and didn't know it can display any tabs
[03:50] <ravencrow> oh yes
[03:50] <ravencrow> right click enable in adept
[03:50] <ravencrow> :P
[03:51] <h3sp4wn> theholycow: control a w (lists the tabs)
[03:51] <letalis> theholycow: well not tabs persay but it does multiple screens and you can set it to monitor ones for activity.
[03:51] <lessnick> h3sp4wn: I like the way I can gracefully resize my fonts and change my colors on the fly with konsole. It's ugly and awkward in xterm.
[03:51] <theholycow> h3sp4wn: OIC...I've seen the "ctrl-a w" list before. I thought you meant it used ncurses or something
[03:52] <ira> how can adapt not have electric sheep?
[03:52] <h3sp4wn> theholycow: caption always "%{= Gr}%c  %{= G0}%-w%{= RG}%50>%n-%t%{-}%+w%<"
[03:52] <theholycow> Eterm kicks konsole and xterm's asses
[03:52] <h3sp4wn> theholycow: if you put that in screenrc you get the tab always there
[03:52] <h3sp4wn> theholycow: Doesn't support utf8
[03:52] <letalis> yakuake
[03:52] <letalis> greatest idea ever.
[03:52] <letalis> :)
[03:53] <ubuntu> buenas
[03:53] <millk> how do i set it so that all files created within a directory are created with a specific group as file's group,  the equivalent of persistent 'chgrp groupname /path/to/directory'
[03:53] <arriesp> xao gente
[03:53] <letalis> you could use wildcards to do it
[03:53] <theholycow> h3sp4wn: That's cool...I'll have to fix the color, though. ;)
[03:53] <ira> Any respitorys that shoule be added to adept that it doesnt come with?
[03:54] <letalis> but it would only affect the files in the directory in quesiton
[03:54] <h3sp4wn> theholycow: Do you use split etc ?
[03:55] <Arafangion> h3sp4wn: Easier to just use multiple xterms than to split.
[03:55] <h3sp4wn> Arafangion: No way
[03:55] <lessnick> millk: set the directory sticky bit i think. chmod g+s or g+S. I can't remember which.
[03:56] <Arafangion> h3sp4wn: What's wrong with multiple xterms?
[03:56] <theholycow> h3sp4wn: Split? No, but maybe I do now! ;)
[03:56] <h3sp4wn> Arafangion: How do you move a terminal between xterms
[03:57] <lessnick> millk: just google group sticky bit, i'm sure you'll find a good description.
[03:57] <Arafangion> h3sp4wn: Oh, I see what your thinking.
[03:57] <Arafangion> h3sp4wn: I meant, multiple xterms, but using the /same/ screen.
[03:58] <theholycow> h3sp4wn: Er...now how do I unsplit? Cripes, I've been using screen for years and forgotten half the features for which I originally started to use it!
[03:58] <letalis> screen -d -r i think
[03:58] <millk> lessnick, thanks, got her :)
[03:58] <letalis> in the one you want it moved to
[03:58] <theholycow> Moving a screen session is as easy as screen -d -r. If that's not strong enough, you can do screen -D -R, or -DD -RR
[03:59] <theholycow> I don't know what those stronger options are for, but I've never needed them. -d -r has always done the job for me no matter what.
[03:59] <h3sp4wn> theholycow: control a X (capital X)
[03:59] <Zaire> real great help in the xgl channel :S
[04:00] <h3sp4wn> Arafangion: I suppose it does not make much difference if you do it like that
[04:01] <h3sp4wn> Arafangion: Do you use irssi in xterm ?
[04:02] <Lunar_Raven> can you use irssi in a virtual console w/ out X running?
[04:02] <jeff_> well, i got my boot order working properly now
[04:02] <theholycow> h3sp4wn: okay, one more screen question. I used to have this one in my screenrc, but no longer. How do I get rid of the splash screen ("Press space or return to end")?
[04:02] <jeff_> i geuss everytime you upgrade the kernal your going to have 2 more boot options?
[04:03] <h3sp4wn> theholycow: startup_message off
[04:03] <theholycow> nice
[04:04] <lessnick> jeff_: you could always uninstall the older kernels
[04:04] <theholycow> I might not keep the status line...I already have time and current window in my bash prompt. The status just gives me the list of windows.
[04:04] <lessnick> jeff_: I don't reccommend doing it until you are sure the new one boots :-)
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> theholycow: If you have every machine you are connected to in the same window all the time it doesn't matter its only useful when you connect to alot of different machines (pretty randomly)
[04:07] <jeff_> i've booted it a few times now, i guess i can try it awhile and then unistall.  Hopefully that will remove the old versions from grub too?
[04:08] <theholycow> h3sp4wn: Actually, I use screen inversely -- I have a bunch of shells open on one machine, and everywhere I go I ssh in and hook up to my whole load of screen windows
[04:08] <chris_> why can i only see installed packages in apt, when I have "show all packages" checked?
[04:09] <Arafangion> h3sp4wn: I do actually use irssi in a single urxvt, as I don't tend to split much.
[04:10] <Arafangion> h3sp4wn: I do like vsplit's in vim, though.
[04:10] <binary2k2> chris_: check that the repositorys aren't commented out in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:11] <lessnick> jeff_: nomrally, yes it does remove them from grub. I'm not 100% sure how it behaves if you've manually edited your grub. =] 
[04:11] <jeff_> ill probably just wait awhile then and uninstall the old kernels
[04:11] <chris_> binary2k2, yeah, that did it....I'm not sure what all this is...kinda new to ubuntu
[04:12] <binary2k2> chris_: if the installer can't connect to the servers when it's installing, it will comment them out
[04:13] <binary2k2> chris_: you just have to edit the file as root and remove the "#" before the lines with "deb ..."
[04:13] <yamal> jeff_: read /boot/grub/menu.lst; it contains a number of options to control the amount of kernels added automatically
[04:13] <chris_> binary2k2, yeah i did...it works, thanks.
[04:14] <jeff_> ok, thanks yamal
[04:16] <h3sp4wn> Lunar_Raven: definately
[04:16] <h3sp4wn> Lunar_Raven: definately
[04:16] <h3sp4wn> Lunar_Raven: yep
[04:17] <TehUni> is the "sharing" tab in system settings messed up for anyone else, or just me? running edgy w/ kde 3.5.5. can't change anything, and text it all garbled
[04:17] <jeff_> actually, this is the first time ive used grub.  my other installations i installed lilo in the superblock of the root partition and then used windows boot loader to select the os to boot.
[04:19] <binary2k2> TehUni: mine works fine - edgy/kde 3.5.5
[04:19] <Lunar_Raven> lol ok :P.  Sounds interesting .  I like my graphics..but i'll try it out sometime for fun
[04:20] <TehUni> mmm
[04:21] <nertil> how to install package essential build
[04:21] <nertil> i mean gcc,cc,c compiler
[04:21] <nertil> all in one
[04:22] <binary2k2> package build-essential
[04:22] <phwickett> hi guys
[04:22] <phwickett> you hav etime for a basic question?
[04:22] <binary2k2> !build-essential
[04:22] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:22] <phwickett> how do i get rid of the god damn dual monitor, it wont go away lol
[04:23] <phwickett> i would really appreciate the help
[04:23] <nertil> one more question
[04:23] <phwickett> otherwise im stuck with 800x600
[04:23] <nertil> how to run the ppoe internet line always
[04:23] <nertil> every time i want to use an website i must type pon dsl-provider
[04:23] <nertil> and that sux
[04:23] <binary2k2> dunnow about that (to both questions)
[04:24] <TehUni> phwickett: take it out of xorg.conf ?
[04:25] <phwickett> im new at this
[04:25] <nertil> my problem please?
[04:25] <phwickett> im a windows admin
[04:25] <phwickett> lol
[04:26] <BluesKaj> welcome to the new world phwickett :)
[04:26] <phwickett> thankx
[04:26] <phwickett> it was a bitch to setupp for a nube like me
[04:26] <phwickett> but it sure kicks the shit out of windows
[04:27] <phwickett> no more god damn blue screens of death
[04:27] <TehUni> heh, i'm with you
[04:27] <TehUni> i switched about a year ago
[04:27] <jeff_> phwickett, you need haul off and hit the 2nd monitor with a sledge hammer.  Then you'll be on one monitor.
[04:27] <TehUni> i know windows inside and out... it's weird to be a newb again
[04:27] <BluesKaj> not an instant gratification OS , but the rewards are worth the effort :)
[04:27] <phwickett> how do i do that
[04:27] <phwickett> lol
[04:27] <TehUni> phwickett: sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:27] <phwickett> there is so second monitor
[04:27] <phwickett> thats the problem
[04:27] <phwickett> so i enter that into bash?
[04:27] <TehUni> yea
[04:28] <TehUni> then paste that at pastebin for us
[04:28] <nertil> will anyone fix my problem
[04:28] <jeff_> that's right, bash it, bash it to pieces
[04:28] <LjL> !language | phwickett
[04:28] <ubotu> phwickett: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:28] <phwickett> ok sorry
[04:29] <phwickett> well that didnt work
[04:29] <phwickett> command not found
[04:29] <TehUni> ? you dont have kate installed?
[04:29] <phwickett> whats that
[04:29] <TehUni> kate is like notepad
[04:29] <phwickett> i just got done installing k3b, god that rules
[04:29] <phwickett> i dunno let me look
[04:30] <TehUni> phwickett: did you do a regular install of kubuntu? if so, kate and k3b are both installed by default. they come with kde.
[04:30] <nertil> how to make my internet connection to be on always
[04:30] <TehUni> otherwise you can use vim, but it's not fun if you're new to linux.
[04:30] <nertil> without pon dsl-provider
[04:31] <jeff_> I don't think kate will show up with a dual monitor setup. Lol
[04:31] <TehUni> jeff_: huh? i'm in a triple monitor setup
[04:31] <nertil> WILL ANYONE HELP ME
[04:32] <jeff_> oh cool 3 monitors
[04:32] <nertil> WILL ANYONE HELP ME
[04:32] <TehUni> yea, is nice. 2x for ubuntu and 1 for my WinXP VM
[04:32] <nertil> WILL ANYONE HELP ME
[04:32] <phwickett> yeah ive got a reg. install of kubuntu
[04:32] <jeff_> do you have 3 vid cards
[04:32] <theholycow> nertil: No need to yell. What kind of connection do you have?
[04:32] <phwickett> well, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM lol
[04:32] <phwickett> no i only hav eone
[04:32] <nertil> PPPOE
[04:32] <TehUni> jeff_: 2 dual-headed
[04:32] <phwickett> 512
[04:32] <phwickett> yeah
[04:32] <TehUni> phwickett: type: sudo kate
[04:33] <TehUni> in konsole
[04:33] <nertil> every time i want to open a website i must type pon dsl-provider
[04:33] <phwickett> ok
[04:33] <phwickett> just a sec
[04:33] <phwickett> thanx for your help BTW
[04:33] <theholycow> nertil: Nothig beats a $20 router for keeping a PPPoE connecton up. Takes the load away from the computer, too.
[04:33] <lessnick> my router does my pppoe stuff so i have no idea how to use pon or anything.
[04:33] <TehUni> np.. i was lost too lot too long ago
[04:33] <TehUni> *not too long
[04:34] <nertil> heh
[04:34] <nertil> than no help for me right
[04:34] <phwickett> darn
[04:34] <phwickett> i dont know the password
[04:34] <TehUni> phwickett: ?
[04:34] <theholycow> nertil: What program do you use to connect, and when does your connection go down?
[04:34] <secleinteer> hi, i'm trying to compile fung-calc, but i get an error saying that the qt headers and libraries are not found. does anyone know how i can fix this?
[04:34] <TehUni> you dont know the sudo password?
[04:34] <jeff_> do you need a pretty strong machine to run kubuntu and winxp on vm?
[04:34] <TehUni> you've got bigger problems then, heh
[04:34] <phwickett> i know it but it rejects it
[04:35] <nertil> i dont know if i want to use a website i always must type pon dsl-provider
[04:35] <nertil> for every website
[04:35] <nertil> is there any command
[04:35] <TehUni> jeff_: it was ok before on my p4 3.2ghz. but i just built a core2duo 6600 w/ 4gigs of ram esp for it. so it runs flawlessly
[04:35] <nertil> to start the PPPOE just once and internet to be up
[04:35] <nertil> everytime i want to use something
[04:35] <binary2k2> secleinteer: install libqt3-headers and libqt3-mt-dev
[04:36] <phwickett> man, i dont get this
[04:36] <TehUni> phwickett: you're going to have to reboot in "recovery mode" and reset your pass. it's kinda like safe mode.
[04:36] <phwickett> but why does it work in everything else i wonder
[04:36] <TehUni> but command line only
[04:36] <jeff_> cool tehuni, your system is awesome
[04:36] <phwickett> yeah youve got mine beat
[04:37] <secleinteer> binary2k2: i already have those packages
[04:37] <phwickett> you piece of crap
[04:37] <phwickett> lol
[04:37] <phwickett> ;)
[04:37] <TehUni> phwickett: you'll have to use the same root password for everything
[04:37] <theholycow> nertil: man pon tells me that pon -r might do the job
[04:37] <TehUni> so you wont be able to do anything until you get your pass
[04:37] <TehUni> it oughtta be a good system. it's 2 days old, heh
[04:37] <theholycow> nertil: Oops, maybe not. That option might only be for poff.
[04:37] <phwickett> but i use the root password for everything
[04:38] <phwickett> and it works
[04:38] <nertil> poff makes the connection down
[04:38] <phwickett> just not in the damn console
[04:38] <TehUni> phwickett: type: sudo -s
[04:38] <TehUni> then your pass
[04:38] <phwickett> WOW
[04:38] <TehUni> can you get to root that way?
[04:38] <phwickett> IT WORKED
[04:38] <TehUni> cool
[04:38] <phwickett> god i love you
[04:38] <TehUni> now
[04:38] <jeff_> man, now i need a new computer
[04:38] <phwickett> lol'
[04:39] <TehUni> kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:39] <phwickett> how the hell did you do that
[04:39] <theholycow> nertil: Well, looks like we're beyond my pon expertise. Maybe somebody else here can add something...
[04:40] <phwickett> you rule Teh
[04:40] <phwickett> accept i got a buttload of errors lol
[04:40] <phwickett> maybe i just need to reboot
[04:40] <TehUni> that's normal
[04:40] <phwickett> i usually just use poweroff
[04:40] <TehUni> you see your xorg.conf in an editor now?
[04:40] <arunkale> someone please help me.. i upgraded yesterday from dapper to edgy, and when i rebooted, i could see edgy in the list of OSes in grub.. and I started Edgy. I got the loading screen where all the startup processes happen without any problem, but instead of the login screen after that, i just get a blank!
[04:40] <TehUni> nertil: you try just using kppp ?
[04:40] <binary2k2> secleinteer: that should be all you need
[04:41] <TehUni> arunkale: you using an ati card?
[04:41] <phwickett> how do i look at thtat Teh
[04:41] <TehUni> phwickett: that command should open that file in an text editor for you. did it not?
[04:41] <jeff_> what is dapper and edgy?
[04:42] <TehUni> jeff_: releases of ubuntu
[04:42] <TehUni> dapper is 6.06 and edgy is 6.10
[04:42] <jeff_> oic
[04:43] <secleinteer> binary2k2: i'm still getting the same error
[04:43] <arunkale> TechUni: No, an integrated video card
[04:43] <arunkale> TehUni*
[04:43] <phwickett> ill reboot and let you know what sup
[04:43] <phwickett> thanks for the help teh
[04:43] <theholycow> According to dictionary.com: Dapper-neat; trim; smart. Edgy-nervously irritable; impatient and anxious. <G>
[04:43] <TehUni> arunkale: have you started in recovery mode and started x manually?
[04:44] <arunkale> TehUni: No, how do I do that, and what would happen if I do that?
[04:44] <jeff_> lol
[04:45] <jeff_> nice observation holy cow
[04:45] <binary2k2> secleinteer: take a look in the config.log
[04:45] <TehUni> arunkale: when you first boot and you see the grub saying "booting in 3..2..1." hit escape to view the kernel options. then go to your current kernel and select "recovery mode'
[04:45] <TehUni> you'll boot to a console
[04:46] <TehUni> from there type "startx"
[04:46] <TehUni> it'll tell you why it crashes.
[04:46] <arunkale> ok
[04:46] <arunkale> and how do i fix it then?
[04:46] <TehUni> dunno
[04:46] <TehUni> depends on the error
[04:47] <arunkale> TehUni: when i get the blank screen, if I press the Ctrl key, i get a terminal
[04:48] <TehUni> ctrl+f1, you mean?
[04:48] <arunkale> no just ctrl
[04:49] <TehUni> weird
[04:49] <TehUni> well
[04:49] <TehUni> type startx
[04:49] <TehUni> when it crashes, note the error
[04:50] <arunkale> alright
[04:50] <arunkale> brb
[04:50] <arunkale> thanks :)
[04:52] <rhodri> hi, i'm running edgy and (i think) the laptop power management tools (whatever they are, kde-guidance?) are turning my screen off after 10 mins on inactivity, this is *really* annoying when i'm watching movies, can i disable this functionality?  thanks
[04:53] <TehUni> rhodri: most apps have a setting to disable x-screensaver during playback
[04:53] <TehUni> mplayer and vlc both have that option, i believe
[04:53] <[H5N1] > rhodri, are you using XGL?
[04:53] <[H5N1] > I have the same problem.
[04:53] <lessnick> kompose is pretty dissappointing. especially after having just used compiz's expose feature.
[04:53] <rhodri> yes i am, is it a setting of that?  i'm using beryl
[04:54] <[H5N1] > Seems to be a bug with xgl and kubuntu
[04:54] <[H5N1] > I even tried turning off DPMS completely, no luck.
[04:54] <[H5N1] > Even tried setting it manually, no luck.
[04:55] <rhodri> a bug, i see, so there;s nothing i can do for now?
[04:55] <[H5N1] > I don't know yet.
[04:56] <eddie> can us
[04:56] <eddie> canyoushelpmycompkeepsjumpin
[04:57] <eddie> hi asl
[04:57] <[H5N1] > You can do DISPLAY=:0 xset q or DISPLAY=:1
[04:58] <[H5N1] > No matter what I do, I just can't turn it off.
[04:58] <arunkale> TehUni: you there?
[04:58] <[H5N1] > DISPLAY=:0 xset dpms 0
[04:58] <[H5N1] > Maybe it'll work for you
[04:58] <TehUni> yup
[04:58] <eddie> can yous hlp me
[04:58] <arunkale> I typed startx as you said, and I got the following message: xinit: connection refused (errno 111) unable to connnect to x server
[04:59] <arunkale> and on the next line, 'xinit: no such process (errno 3): server error
[04:59] <eddie> how do i get my comp to stop junmpin
[04:59] <theholycow> eddie: Take away it's legs.
[04:59] <eddie> haha
[04:59] <theholycow> can you describe the "jumping" in more detail?
[05:01] <eddie> the scream is jumpn is wasnt do diz before my comp is new
[05:01] <TehUni> mm... dont know about that one
[05:01] <TehUni> sorry
[05:02] <eddie> im undermy fathers scream name
[05:02] <eddie> asl
[05:02] <arunkale> TehUni: that was for me?
[05:03] <TehUni> arunkale: a quick google makes it look like x isn't installed (or not correctly)
[05:03] <TehUni> has it worked before? or is this a fresh install?
[05:03] <arunkale> Dapper was working perfectly
[05:03] <eddie> it wrokd
[05:04] <TehUni> arunkale: just out of curiosity try: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[05:05] <arunkale> TehUni: alright, brb
[05:05] <eddie> my comp is unde
[05:05] <arunkale> do i do an apt-get or a dkpg-reconfigure
[05:05] <mendred> hi has anyone installed audacity from the edgy repositories?
[05:05] <eddie> u think u can lig in my comp
[05:06] <eddie> log
[05:06] <TehUni> either
[05:06] <theholycow> eddie: Sounds like maybe a problem with the refresh rate
[05:06] <TehUni> i just wanted to know if it was installed
[05:06] <TehUni> apt-get would install it if it's not.
[05:06] <TehUni> if it is, do the reconfigure.
[05:06] <arunkale> alright
[05:06] <arunkale> brb, thanks
[05:06] <eddie> my das friend
[05:07] <eddie> my dad friend did something to it
[05:08] <eddie> my compisunderkubuntu
[05:08] <eddie> it was under windows xp
[05:09] <chris_> how can i find out if I'm using edgy or dapper?
[05:09] <abattoir> chris_: 'lsb_release -a' in a terminal
[05:10] <eddie> teUni
[05:10] <eddie> R U THERE
[05:10] <phwickett> well i got it to go
[05:10] <chris_> abattoir, thanks
[05:10] <phwickett> but i do have one more problem
[05:10] <TehUni> phwickett: got what to go?
[05:10] <phwickett> the monitor
[05:10] <phwickett> 1280x1024
[05:10] <TehUni> oh... good
[05:11] <phwickett> but now when i boot up, i have a USB keyboard and mouse, and i have to switch them all the time to get them to work lol
[05:11] <phwickett> any ideas?
[05:11] <theholycow> eddie_: You need to find out what's the currently used tool for configuring X. I haven't done it in so long I don't know.
[05:11] <TehUni> what do you mean switch them?
[05:11] <eddie_> U THINK U CAN LOG IN MY COMP IF ITS NOT A PROMBLE
[05:12] <phwickett> i have to switch the usb cables around in the back for kubuntu to pick up the mouse and the keyboard
[05:12] <phwickett> and man its a pain in the ass lol
[05:13] <eddie_> TEYUni
[05:13] <phwickett> the only solution that i can think of is getting converters from usb to PS2
[05:13] <phwickett> because there is NO WAY i am going back to windows
[05:13] <phwickett> stupid cd keys
[05:13] <eddie_> u think u can log into my comp
[05:13] <theholycow> eddie_: your capslock is on. I can't login to your computer and fix it; most X configuration tools are graphical.
[05:14] <eddie_> ok
[05:14] <phwickett> i have the usb crap enabled in the BIOS
[05:14] <eddie_> ITS OFF
[05:14] <phwickett> whats off
[05:14] <phwickett> oh nm
[05:14] <phwickett> so any ideas brother ?
[05:14] <eddie_> the caps lock is off
[05:15] <TehUni> phwickett: sec. crashing over here, heh
[05:16] <eddie_> theholyow
[05:16] <eddie_> can u log into my comp
[05:16] <theholycow> eddie: I can't. To configure X, you must be at the console, as you use a terminal to start a graphical configuration program.
[05:17] <theholycow> eddie_: ...and you have to be able to watch the results.
[05:17] <theholycow> eddie_: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3367.html says sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:17] <eddie_> u want me to click on that
[05:18] <theholycow> no, type the command that begins with "sudo". I cited the web page as a reference.
[05:19] <phwickett_> anyone know why kubuntu doesnt support usb mice/keyboards
[05:19] <TehUni> phwickett: check your xorg.conf to be sure it's using the right driver
[05:19] <TehUni> sudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:19] <TehUni> err
[05:19] <TehUni> sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:20] <phwickett_> but what do i check
[05:20] <phwickett_> im sorry im REALLY knew to this
[05:20] <phwickett_> im an MCSE lol
[05:20] <lessnick> bleh, compiz-plugins failed to install because I don't have gconf. why didn't it pull it as a dependency.
[05:20] <phwickett_> im sorry for all the dumbass quesations, but gotta start somewhere
[05:20] <eddie_> diz sudodgkg-reconfifure xpfree86
[05:21] <TehUni> phwickett_: i'm telling you.. dont feel bad. i was in EXACTLY you're boat a year ago. i'm a pc tech too. and i know windows like the back of my hand. but linux is scary at first
[05:21] <lessnick> now i seem to need to install all kinds of gnome garbage just to get rid of compiz-plugins
[05:21] <theholycow> phwickett: Once you get rolling and have a better feel for what you don't know, groups.google.com and of course regular google search are both your friend
[05:21] <TehUni> phwickett_: run that command. in that file there's some comment about using usb drives. you'll see it.
[05:21] <phwickett_> ok'
[05:22] <phwickett_> which command
[05:22] <phwickett_> both
[05:22] <phwickett_> in sequence
[05:22] <TehUni> sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:22] <phwickett_> and do i do it in root mode
[05:22] <TehUni> no
[05:22] <TehUni> let me explain for a sec
[05:22] <TehUni> you're logged in under your username
[05:22] <eddie_> ill be back
[05:22] <TehUni> (k)ubuntu doesnt have a root user
[05:22] <TehUni> instead, it creates a fake one
[05:23] <eddie_> im fuckin pist
[05:23] <eddie_> off
[05:23] <TehUni> to access it, you type "sudo" before each command
[05:23] <TehUni> when you do that, it means that you want to run the following command as a superuser (root)
[05:23] <TehUni> so when you type "kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf" you can view it, but you cant change it
[05:23] <theholycow> eddie_: Chill. Schitt happens.
[05:24] <eddie_> no it fuckin dont
[05:24] <TehUni> when you type "sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf" it asks you for your root password. after it accepts it, you can edit the file as root
[05:24] <TehUni> got it?
[05:24] <theholycow> eddie_: Well, it happens to _me_ all the time.
[05:24] <eddie_> am a feamale
[05:24] <phwickett_> yup
[05:24] <TehUni> it's like running a program as a different user in windows
[05:24] <Zaire> !language >eddie
[05:24] <phwickett_> what was the command u showed me earlier to log in as a root
[05:24] <eddie_> 17
[05:24] <TehUni> sudo -s
[05:24] <eddie_> f
[05:24] <theholycow> TehUni: Actually, it asks for your user password, not the root password
[05:24] <eddie_> bx
[05:24] <Zaire> !language eddie
[05:24] <TehUni> gives your root
[05:24] <TehUni> theholycow: right.
[05:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about language eddie - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <eddie_> my dads fuckin smart ass fuck up my comp
[05:25] <abattoir> eddie_: please mind the language
[05:25] <Zaire> yea
[05:25] <Zaire> this aint the dock ;)
[05:26] <phwickett_> ok thanks
[05:26] <eddie_> is u was mad ur feel the same way
[05:26] <theholycow> phwickett_: BTW, the command to get a real root prompt is "sudo su -"
[05:26] <abattoir> eddie_: what's the issue?
[05:27] <xsacha> you're on a computer eddie_, how bad could it be? :)
[05:27] <eddie_> my dads friend did somethin to my comp
[05:27] <TehUni> theholycow: sudo -s does the same thing  ;)
[05:27] <TehUni> phwickett_: so i'll break that command down for you (stop me if i'm dumbing down too much, just trying to help)
[05:27] <abattoir> eddie_: ok, what did he/she do?
[05:27] <theholycow> TehUni: Well I'll be a monkey's bare-assed uncle!
[05:27] <Zaire> thats why I have mine passworded lol
[05:28] <eddie_> i dont no
[05:28] <xsacha> did he do rm -rf / ?
[05:28] <eddie_> its jumpin
[05:28] <TehUni> sudo (use as root) kate (notepad) /etc/X11/xorg.conf (your display settings)
[05:28] <abattoir> eddie_: what's happening? 'symptoms' ?
[05:28] <eddie_> my scream
[05:28] <TehUni> theholycow: :)
[05:28] <theholycow> TehUni: Looks like "sudo -s" is equivalent to "sudo su", not "sudo su -"
[05:28] <abattoir> eddie_: umm, it's jumping your scream?
[05:28] <eddie_> is jumpin
[05:28] <xsacha> lol
[05:28] <Zaire> screen Im guessing lol
[05:29] <theholycow> abattoir: eddie_'s screen is funky. Probably a refresh rate issue or something.
[05:29] <xsacha> is it bouncing? :)
[05:29] <eddie_> yeah
[05:29] <Zaire> yea that could be...however refresh rate normally just causes a total visual failure
[05:29] <eddie_> us think im liein
[05:30] <abattoir> theholycow: oh, you guys asked her to modify it in xorg.conf? or reconfigure X ?
[05:30] <theholycow> TehUni: Actually, come to think of it, "sudo -s" is probably exactly the same as "sudo bash" (assuming you use bash)
[05:30] <TehUni> theholycow: yup. except that edgy default is dash now :\
[05:30] <Zaire> could be possible...either xorg or hardware would deff be my guess
[05:31] <theholycow> abattoir: I suggested "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" which seems to be the only console-based X config tool in U
[05:31] <eddie_> it flickerin
[05:31] <abattoir> theholycow: you meant xserver-xorg ?
[05:31] <theholycow> abattoir: I don't know..I just yanked it off a web page.
[05:31] <eddie_> oh my god
[05:31] <TehUni> yea
[05:31] <eddie_> it never did diz
[05:32] <TehUni> xfree86 is old. xserver-xorg is what is used now
[05:32] <theholycow> abattoir: I did some googling since eddie_'s computer is probably not in a condition conducive to googling.
[05:32] <abattoir> eddie_: calm down, open System Settings
[05:32] <Zaire> the new one is xorg.conf TehUni
[05:32] <abattoir> eddie_: Kmenu->System Settings
[05:32] <hollywoodb> alright, xchat is blinking... oh... I see eddie said my name again. alright, back to not monitoring existence again.
[05:32] <theholycow> gtg
[05:33] <Zaire> to check it out TehUni use sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:33] <TehUni> ?
[05:33] <abattoir> Zaire: sudo sometimes causes problems, it's better to use kdesu for kde apps
[05:33] <eddie_> ok
[05:34] <Zaire> Ive never had a prob using sudo...its all I ever use
[05:34] <TehUni> same. but kdesu is meant for kde apps.
[05:34] <abattoir> !sudo
[05:34] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:34] <abattoir> !kdesu
[05:34] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[05:35] <Zaire> meh I use what I use if it messes up my privs its fixable
[05:35] <TehUni> heh
[05:35] <abattoir> eddie_: and which version of kubuntu do you use? 6.06(dapper), 6.10(edgy)?
[05:35] <abattoir> Zaire: yes, you can, but most new users can't
[05:36] <Zaire> true I suppose but like I said never had any troubles yet lol
[05:36] <eddie_> diz is new to me
[05:37] <eddie_> i feel like breakin my fuckin comp
[05:37] <knapp> What is the KDE window manager?
[05:38] <hollywoodb> eddie_: do it
[05:38] <hollywoodb> knapp: kwin
[05:38] <knapp> tnx holly
[05:38] <eddie_> ok
[05:38] <eddie_> stupid
[05:39] <fon_Zograf> Second KDE 4 Developers Snapshot Released =)
[05:39] <abattoir> eddie_: for the last time, mind the language, you are only going to get yourself kicked if you keep doing that
[05:39] <xsacha> fon_Zograf: anything visual yet?
[05:39] <xsacha> or those versions wont be called developers? :P
[05:40] <eddie_> i dont care
[05:40] <eddie_> im mad
[05:40] <eddie_> dont u think
[05:40] <Arafangion> eddie_: We are all mad.
[05:40] <xsacha> im mad at society
[05:40] <hollywoodb> its a mad mad mad mad world
[05:40] <Arafangion> eddie_: Otherwise, why would we be here?
[05:40] <fon_Zograf> xsacha: It simply news with http: // kubuntu.com _
[05:40] <Zaire> don't matter can't get helt if you get banned
[05:41] <Zaire> help*
[05:41] <xsacha> http://kde.org ?
[05:41] <InterTwined> LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS.  HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL!
[05:41] <eddie_> my comp was never doin
[05:41] <InterTwined> LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS.  HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL!
[05:41] <InterTwined> LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS.  HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL!
[05:41] <eddie_> diz before
[05:41] <abattoir> !ops
[05:41] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
[05:41] <Zaire> oh great spammer
[05:42] <Zaire> so since no ones answering in the ubuntu-xgl channel, does anyone in here know why aiglx is making my windows flicker and how I can fix it
[05:42] <hollywoodb> Zaire: beryl?
[05:42] <Zaire> yep
[05:42] <eddie_> amd now im getting upset
[05:42] <hollywoodb> Zaire: that's beryl's fault, aiglx+compiz is perfectly stable
[05:42] <root> TehUni?
[05:42] <eddie_> it a pain in th butt
[05:43] <hollywoodb> Zaire: same situation here
[05:43] <Zaire> ah
[05:43] <Zaire> I had it working but had to format and now its messed lol
[05:43] <root> YAY I UPGRADED TO EDGY
[05:43] <eddie_> same goes here
[05:44] <root> brb
[05:44] <Zaire> hmmm wonder if his name was just root or if he was running it and advertising lol
[05:44] <hollywoodb> Zaire: he was logged in as root
[05:44] <hollywoodb> root (n=root@202.134.191.15) has joined #kubuntu
[05:44] <Zaire> figures lol not good to advert
[05:45] <abattoir> hmm, no one here, i guess
[05:45] <TehUni> root?
[05:45] <hollywoodb> root.
[05:45] <Zaire> yea running root is bad lol
[05:45] <TehUni> heh
[05:45] <Zaire> only do so for maintenance that requires it and even then I don't usually
[05:46] <TehUni> Zaire: we all do it in windows all the time, heh
[05:46] <Zaire> I hate windows lol
[05:46] <Zaire> srry I just do ...only use it for gaming lol
[05:46] <TehUni> heh
[05:46] <TehUni> i use for outlook only
[05:46] <TehUni> exchange support in linux sucks.
[05:46] <TehUni> so i run an XP vm
[05:47] <Zaire> lol try thunderbird
[05:47] <TehUni> Zaire: thunderbird doesnt do exchange.
[05:47] <Zaire> hmmm I use it for everything
[05:47] <jsgotangco> install evolution
[05:47] <Zaire> exchange in what way though?
[05:47] <Tm_T> Hmm, I saw exhange plugin or something in Kmail.
[05:48] <TehUni> jsgotangco: evolution + exchange connector is too buggy for me
[05:48] <TehUni> never worked right
[05:48] <Zaire> umm what you mean by exchange?
[05:48] <TehUni> Zaire: microsoft exchange. it's an alternative to pop and imap
[05:48] <TehUni> it's what my company uses for mail
[05:49] <Zaire> oook then I use imap with my server pop Ive heard is not so good
[05:49] <jsgotangco> heh it could have been worse, we use lotus notes
[05:49] <hollywoodb> TehUni: howsabout sylpheed-claws?
[05:49] <TehUni> eh?
[05:49] <Zaire> I don't think surgemail uses ms exchange does it?
[05:50] <hollywoodb> TehUni: its the email client that bites!
[05:50] <TehUni> heh
[05:50] <TehUni> never heard of it
[05:50] <Zaire> its an e-mail server
[05:51] <hollywoodb> TehUni: http://www.omesc.com/modules/main_module/
[05:53] <Erich-K> Does anyone know where I can get user images for the login screen?
[05:53] <Zaire> ah yes makes sense that thunderbird wouldn't use ms exchange since thunderbird is opensource lol
[05:54] <TehUni> prob with the exchange connector is that it uses owa (afiak) so it doesnt pick up some of the functionality of full blown exchange
[05:54] <TehUni> most annoying is that it doesnt get callendar categories
[05:56] <Zaire> you know one of the biggest things that annoys me is windows has adware embedded in it....when I was still using a software firewall this one windows task kept bugging me for net access and once it was allowed all of a sudden ad popups on my desktop with no browser open
[05:56] <Zaire> ls
[05:57] <Zaire> crap wrong window lol
[05:58] <xsacha> Zaire: most likely that file was infected :P
[05:59] <xsacha> most common way i think is to have your malicious file masquerade as a window system file
[05:59] <Zaire> not likely I had the whole works of virus protection before connected to the net and that was off fresh install
[05:59] <jsgotangco> windows has adware? hahaha dude no vendor would want to do that
[05:59] <jsgotangco> the backlash would be too great
[05:59] <xsacha> dell and hp stick adware in their packaged boxes though
[06:00] <jsgotangco> true
[06:00] <jsgotangco> but that's already an OEM thing no?
[06:00] <Zaire> well my anti virus protection in windows is set to parranoid and I use avast which is very sensitive
[06:00] <xsacha> meh antivirus is a joke
[06:00] <Zaire> not avast i'll tell ya if theres a cookie loading from a browser infected it detects it rightaway
[06:01] <hollywoodb> avast pretty solid, I use that as well on the partition I keep around for univ software
[06:01] <xsacha> might help an average person who doesn't use computers much, but most of the time only catches stuff you yourself would pick up -- hogs resources doing so
[06:01] <Zaire> ummm we aren't talking about norton lol
[06:01] <xsacha> norton is an extreme case :P
[06:01] <Zaire> norton blows the big one lol
[06:01] <beefsprocket> anyone know where kde stores it's directives for a user's desktop resolution?
[06:01] <jsgotangco> its been years since I used antivirus
[06:02] <xsacha> me too
[06:02] <Zaire> well thats the awsome thing about linux lol
[06:02] <hollywoodb> some distros are starting to install either AVG, F-Prot or ClamAV by default now
[06:02] <hollywoodb> better safe than sorry i guess
[06:02] <Zaire> beefsprocket that would be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:03] <Zaire> and true safe is good
[06:03] <jsgotangco> hollywood: what linux does have though are trojans, but mostly on the server side
[06:03] <jsgotangco> but they are quite sparse
[06:03] <beefsprocket> Zaire: hmm, don't think so
[06:03] <Zaire> it is
[06:03] <beefsprocket> Zaire: I know what you mean, but this is different
[06:04] <beefsprocket> Zaire: i have a user set to 1600x1024 accidentally, that res isn't in xorg.conf
[06:04] <Zaire> if you want it via GUI use k menu system settings and display
[06:04] <xsacha> never know.. someone evil could get svn write for some important program and secretly insert a trojan that infects everyone with that version ^^
[06:04] <beefsprocket> that's the problem, entire display is garbled such that I can't get it to work
[06:04] <beefsprocket> have to edit it through tty1
[06:04] <hollywoodb> beefsprocket: can you get a term open?
[06:04] <beefsprocket> tty1
[06:04] <jsgotangco> xsacha: that too...but that involves weak passwords in the revision system
[06:05] <Zaire> ah might want kdesu nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:05] <xsacha> could just be a trusted person
[06:05] <beefsprocket> Zaire: the per user setting isn't there, that file is global xorg settings
[06:05] <arunkale> Hey, people
[06:05] <Zaire> dunno then but sounds messed lol
[06:05] <arunkale> I successfully upgraded from Dapper to Edgy, but now my Firefox is crashing
[06:05] <beefsprocket> yeah, it is
[06:06] <hollywoodb> beefsprocket: try: alt+F2 (the run dialog), then type: xrandr -s 1024x768 and hit [enter]  for whatever resolution you want
[06:06] <jsgotangco> xsacha: well svn/cvs access involves a web of trust, i have access to some for instance...
[06:06] <jsgotangco> you dont just grant access for any contribution
[06:06] <seven> anyone know how to lock on in differen languages
[06:06] <xsacha> but one day you could feel particularly evil...
[06:07] <enyawix> any one building the missing app from source?
[06:07] <jsgotangco> xsacha: fortunately i dont ;)
[06:07] <beefsprocket> hollywoodb: you are genius
[06:07] <enyawix> i want to share work
[06:07] <xsacha> or someone who packages a well-known distro like ubuntu.. could slip something in ;)
[06:07] <enyawix> so we save time
[06:07] <jsgotangco> xsacha: there will be hell to pay
[06:07] <hollywoodb> beefsprocket: not quite, I actually have no idea where the user's res settings are ;)
[06:07] <beefsprocket> yes, well, more than one way to apprach these things
[06:08] <beefsprocket> s/apprach/approach
[06:08] <Zaire> so anyone know a really good book for web desing...prefferebly in the O'Reilly series lol
[06:08] <enyawix> xsacha i am looking for a fix for common people
[06:09] <enyawix> packaging sounds hard
[06:09] <hollywoodb> beefsprocket: I have used xrandr quite a bit though in a pinch
[06:10] <seven> anyone know how to lock on in differen languages
[06:10] <hollywoodb> beefsprocket: you can actually run xrandr from tty1 and tell it to affect the X server on tty7 with more commandline options, but I forget the exact syntax
[06:10] <beefsprocket> i was about to ask that, likely just specify the display ?
[06:10] <Zaire> hmmm almost looks like someone hacked op privs on #ubuntu.....privs were removed
[06:11] <Tm_T> ?
[06:11] <hollywoodb> beefsprocket: I believe so
[06:11] <hollywoodb> beefsprocket: ":0" I think is how it goes
[06:11] <Tm_T> op privs?
[06:11] <beefsprocket> thanks, /me makes mental note
[06:11] <Zaire> so since no ones answering in the ubuntu-xgl channel, does anyone in here know why aiglx is making my windows flicker and how I can fix it
[06:11] <hollywoodb> beefsprocket: xrandr --help if need be
[06:11] <Zaire> ah damn it didn't copy the text
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[06:12] <xsacha> Zaire: they only put on their +o when needed.. then they take it off
[06:12] <Zaire> thats what it says in the ubuntu channel lol
[06:12] <beefsprocket> Zaire: ;)
[06:12] <Zaire> ah
[06:13] <Zaire> I figured it could be either or
[06:13] <Tm_T> Zaire: I see
[06:13] <xsacha> as for your aiglx problem, best place is #beryl but i will suggest killall emerald && emerald
[06:13] <xsacha> you probably have 2 emeralds runnings
[06:13] <Zaire> cool thanks beefsprocket lol
[06:14] <Tm_T> Zaire: Something like this?
[06:14] <beefsprocket> it's old I just realized
[06:14] <Zaire> ah
[06:14] <Zaire> anyone do that or certain ppl?
[06:14] <Tm_T> Only those who has rights.
[06:14] <Zaire> just curious lol
[06:14] <Zaire> I hate spammers
[06:15] <xsacha> Zaire: /msg chanserv access #kubuntu list
[06:15] <Tm_T> These "young" ircnets are funny with their weird functionalities.
[06:15] <Zaire> cool ...but /msg not needed lol
[06:16] <Zaire> just need /chanserv
[06:16] <xsacha> depends what irc client Zaire
[06:16] <Zaire> I suppose true
[06:16] <Zaire> safer to use one that can do that though incase for password stuff
[06:17] <xsacha> well /chanserv is just an alias to /msg chanserv, but yeah i see your point with typos
[06:17] <Zaire> mind you Im still rusty with irc... been a while since Ive done anything in depth with it
[06:29] <josh__> why cant i upload things in kopete
[06:30] <josh__> when i send webcam or send files its super slow
[06:30] <josh__> but ONLY in kopete
[06:35] <duane> hey did anyone get an adept updater notification that it wanted to remove nvidia-glx?
[06:36] <pkarticle> I thought it installed a newer version... I didn't look closely enough at mine before I said yes
[06:36] <lessnick> is it possible to map a uid on a filesystem to a different uid? without actually doing a chmod on all the files?
[06:38] <Not_a_Ninja> hey... is anybody here answering questions at the moment?
[06:39] <Not_a_Ninja> I see...
[06:39] <pkarticle> well i am but i have a very limited knowledge...
[06:39] <lessnick> Not_a_Ninja: someone is always around to answer questions. but only if they know the answer.
[06:39] <lessnick> you just ask and home for the best
[06:39] <XVampireX> Hey
[06:39] <XVampireX> I messed up my konqueror start page
[06:40] <XVampireX> I mean, saved profile which loads different websites
[06:40] <XVampireX> I need the one it opens up by default
[06:41] <Not_a_Ninja> see.... uh... ever since I upgraded to 6.10, the 686 kernels don't show up in Grub anymore
[06:42] <XVampireX> Not_a_Ninja: It's -generic
[06:42] <XVampireX> not 686
[06:42] <Not_a_Ninja> XVampireX, what's -generic ?
[06:42] <XVampireX> Someone help me with konqueror start page :P
[06:42] <XVampireX> -generic kernel
[06:42] <beefsprocket> XVampireX: set it to about:konqueror
[06:42] <XVampireX> beefsprocket: thanks :D
[06:43] <beefsprocket> np
[06:43] <Not_a_Ninja> so... the one that says "Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic" is actually the 686 one?
[06:43] <XVampireX> Yes
[06:43] <Not_a_Ninja> it seems like that would have been documented somewhere ... that and the way hard drives are listed now
[06:44] <Not_a_Ninja> thanks, XVampireX
[06:44] <XVampireX> Not_a_Ninja: no problems
[06:45] <Not_a_Ninja> XVampireX, what do you need in Konqueror?  are you wanting to restore the profile settings you had before?
[06:49] <linuxwizard> hello has anyone installed the patch for kopete because of the connection issue with icq on dapper
[06:52] <Not_a_Ninja> linuxwizard ... I'm sorry, I don't use Kopete much, and I've never used ICQ
[06:54] <arunkale> ok firefox 2 keeps crashing
[06:54] <arunkale> anyone else facing the same problem
[06:55] <XVampireX> Not_a_Ninja: Nevermind, beefsprocket helped me
[06:55] <duane> ok i am PISSED
[06:55] <duane> adept updater uninstalled nvidia-glx for some reason
[06:55] <duane> i dont know why
[06:56] <Not_a_Ninja> XVampireX, that's cool... I don't know that much about Konqueror anyway
[06:56] <duane> and when I do apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:56] <duane> i get:
[06:56] <duane> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:56] <duane>   nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.9625
[06:56] <duane> E: Broken packages
[06:56] <duane> wtf man
[06:56] <XVampireX> Not_a_Ninja: You should start using it, it's faster than Firefox
[06:57] <Not_a_Ninja> XVampireX, I use it a lot ...  but Firefox handles pages designed with MSIE's nonsense in mind (most pages)
[06:57] <Not_a_Ninja> ....better
[06:57] <duane> any help?
[06:57] <newman> HI
[06:57] <newman> HOLA
[06:58] <newman> ALGUIEN HABLA ESPAOL
[06:58] <cpk1> !es | newman
[06:58] <ubotu> newman: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:58] <newman> GRACIAS
[06:58] <newman> COMO ME METO AHI
[06:58] <arunkale> err why can i not view flash files in opera
[06:59] <newman> DALE PUES
[06:59] <RobNyc_> anyone here using Beryl ?
[07:00] <Not_a_Ninja> duane, what happens when you try "apt-get install -f"?
[07:00] <notech> RobNyc_: what about it?
[07:00] <momal> whats the name of that app that can dock at the bottom of the screen and have application icons in it.. similar to the mac os style bar at the bottom
[07:00] <RobNyc_> im trying to add it to startup menu notech
[07:01] <notech> not sure that can be done
[07:01] <Not_a_Ninja> momal, are you talking about something other than the panel?
[07:01] <RobNyc_> so how can i start it notech ?
[07:02] <momal> hmm im pretty sure i'll go find a screen shot where i saw it on :p
[07:02] <notech> open a terminal and run beryl-manager, you can start it from it from there
[07:02] <notech> heh, that sentance was bad grammar
[07:02] <RobNyc_> notech, u have a ati card by any chance
[07:03] <notech> no, nvidia
[07:03] <momal> RobNyc: you can come in #beryl if you need help with it ^_-
[07:04] <RobNyc_> ty
[07:04] <arunkale> why does firefox keep crashing
[07:04] <arunkale> gah
[07:04] <arunkale> !flashplugin
[07:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flashplugin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:04] <arunkale> !flash
[07:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:08] <neosa-chris> Sup Kubuntu ppl
[07:08] <chris_> how can I format a drive to the ext3 format?
[07:08] <neosa-chris> Who else here has been using Kubuntu since its very first alpha?
[07:08] <neosa-chris> lol
[07:08] <neosa-chris> stupid to be proud of... but ya
[07:09] <cpk1> chris_: qtparted would be easiest if it works for you
[07:09] <chris_> cpk1, naw, I would only use it once
[07:10] <chris_> cpk1, is there a command line for simple formatting tasks?
[07:10] <neosa-chris> Why would you want to format it with ext3?
[07:10] <chris_> well, isn't that the standard linux format?\
[07:10] <chris_> basically i have a second drive i want to dump data on
[07:10] <neosa-chris> eh... it shouldn't be
[07:10] <neosa-chris> I use ReiserFS
[07:11] <neosa-chris> Much faster with smaller files.. then the same with larger ones.. so... it is just faster
[07:11] <neosa-chris> lol
[07:11] <chris_> ReiserFS? I hear the has some issues with some programs
[07:11] <neosa-chris> and pleanty reliable... no probs for hte past couple years
[07:11] <neosa-chris> Naw
[07:11] <chris_> and isn't it only faster for like 100,000+ files?
[07:11] <firebird619> I have cable Internet and two computers. When I switch the Ethernet cable over to give Kubuntu access to cable Internet, I have to restart the PC for it to work. Is there an easier way to do this, is there something to reset without restarting the PC?
[07:11] <neosa-chris> Well you can go with ext3 if you want.. no big deal
[07:11] <neosa-chris> sudo apt-get install gparted
[07:12] <neosa-chris> use that
[07:12] <chris_> want to avoid using that is i can help it
[07:12] <Arafangion> firebird619: sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
[07:12] <neosa-chris> sudo apt-get install parted
[07:12] <neosa-chris> lol!
[07:12] <neosa-chris> parted is non-graphical
[07:12] <chris_> nothign wrong with it....i just will only use it once
[07:12] <firebird619> Arafangion: Great, Thank you.
[07:13] <Arafangion> firebird619: If that doesn't work, look for an ifup/ifdown script or something in /etc/init.d or /etc/rc.d or wherever :)
[07:14] <Arafangion> firebird619: I'm assuming sysvinit, though - who knows what etch does.
[07:14] <neosa-chris> Chris_: whats your status?
[07:15] <Linux_Galore> identify chatmad33
[07:15] <neosa-chris> are you downloading/ installing parted? or......
[07:15] <chris_> i'm trying to use fdisk
[07:15] <neosa-chris> EWW
[07:15] <neosa-chris> no
[07:15] <neosa-chris> cfdisk
[07:15] <neosa-chris> much better
[07:15] <neosa-chris> lol!
[07:15] <neosa-chris> seriously... eons better then fdisk
[07:15] <firebird619> Arafangion: Ok, Thanks.  Also, I was thinking of trying the KDE 4 2nd Development Snapshot. According to http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.2.php it just says to install kde4base-dev. Is that all that needs to be installed?
[07:15] <chris_> in terms of functionality?
[07:15] <chris_> or just how nice the ascii art is?
[07:16] <neosa-chris> Speed of use..
[07:16] <Arafangion> firebird619: Generally, if you're smart enough to use development snapshots and other untested programs, you're smart enough to determine how to figure out things, and how to use mailing lists, etc  :)
[07:16] <neosa-chris> I can use that in about 15 seconds to do something that'd normally take me a min or two in fdisk..
[07:16] <neosa-chris> but i just really perfer to see something..
[07:16] <firebird619> Arafangion: :-) Thanks.
[07:17] <chris_> I've been using gentoo, and it taught me fdisk first. both are cool
[07:17] <neosa-chris> LOL i used gentoo too
[07:17] <neosa-chris> my first year of linux
[07:17] <neosa-chris> entire year
[07:17] <chris_> same
[07:17] <neosa-chris> You learn a ton in gentoo
[07:17] <chris_> yeah, that's why i did it
[07:17] <neosa-chris> but ubuntu "just works" so.. i switched
[07:18] <chris_> same :)
[07:18] <neosa-chris> :-D
[07:18] <Not_a_Ninja> I used plain old Debian before I started using Ubuntu
[07:18] <neosa-chris> I do miss emerge -va anythingggggg
[07:18] <neosa-chris> hah i toyed with that for all of a day..
[07:18] <neosa-chris> before my friend was like
[07:18] <neosa-chris> screw that dude.. go to ubuntu again.. they made massive improvements
[07:18] <chris_> unless you do emerge kdebase kdesomething kde this kde that.
[07:18] <neosa-chris> (that was me going from hoary to breezy)
[07:19] <neosa-chris> haha
[07:20] <Not_a_Ninja> I liked Debian a lot, but I never did figure out how to set up sound or 3D graphics ... I was told that Ubuntu is like Debian, but easier to set up and use
[07:20] <Not_a_Ninja> ah, good times
[07:21] <neosa-chris> haha
[07:21] <neosa-chris> ubuntu is based on a few of the debian idea's
[07:21] <neosa-chris> so.. your good
[07:21] <neosa-chris> :-)
[07:21] <chris_> the only thing I never got working on ANY linux distro, ever, was sound, it always only half worked
[07:21] <neosa-chris> really... strange..
[07:21] <neosa-chris> i've never had big problems
[07:21] <knapp> I'm getting some static when I play music or video files, what can I do to eliminate this?
[07:21] <neosa-chris> as long as you use alsa sound
[07:22] <chris_> and I have an intel HD....it's supposed to be well supported
[07:22] <neosa-chris> KDE gives you some ARTS that can screw with ur sound sometimes... then again sometimes help
[07:22] <chris_> yes, always used alsa
[07:22] <neosa-chris> run in a terminal
[07:22] <neosa-chris> alsamixer
[07:22] <neosa-chris> if that doesn't work
[07:22] <neosa-chris> then kmix
[07:22] <chris_> lol, don't think I've tried that about 100000 times?
[07:22] <neosa-chris> and bring your PCM down a little bit
[07:22] <neosa-chris> and turn everything else up
[07:23] <neosa-chris> hehe
[07:23] <neosa-chris> I miss my gentoo box
[07:23] <neosa-chris> (looks to right)
[07:23] <neosa-chris> nevermind
[07:23] <neosa-chris> It no longer boots up properly hehe... half hte thigns dotn' mount... i deleted drivers..
[07:23] <chris_> I either get static with music, or the sound is REALLY quiet
[07:23] <neosa-chris> just to f--k with gentoo on my last day using it..
[07:23] <neosa-chris> oh hellz...
[07:24] <neosa-chris> who's your card manufacturer
[07:24] <neosa-chris> lspci
[07:24] <chris_> it's like turning up crappy speakers really high, but they are not loud at all, but still grappy sound
[07:24] <chris_> intel
[07:24] <chris_> Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[07:25] <arunkale> umm what's the command to move a file from one directory to the other
[07:25] <Arafangion> arunkale: mv
[07:25] <neosa-chris> cp i think
[07:25] <neosa-chris> mv
[07:25] <neosa-chris> sh-t
[07:25] <neosa-chris> sry
[07:25] <chris_> lol
[07:26] <Arafangion> neosa-chris: Are you incapable of using ANY vowels?
[07:26] <arunkale> haha what's the syntax
[07:26] <Not_a_Ninja> mv = move ; cp = copy (if it wasn't obvious)
[07:26] <Arafangion> arunkale: Guess!!!
[07:26] <arunkale> cp path newpath?
[07:26] <Arafangion> arunkale: Or see man mv
[07:26] <neosa-chris> lol
[07:27] <neosa-chris> welcome wheatie
[07:27] <neosa-chris> ^_^
[07:27] <wheatie> hello.
[07:27] <Not_a_Ninja> mv something somewhere
[07:31] <arunkale> man i dont know why firefox keeps crashing
[07:31] <neosa-chris> HAH
[07:31] <neosa-chris> You trying to access anyyything iwth a flash video on it?
[07:31] <neosa-chris> even a flash advertisement can crash it
[07:31] <arunkale> yeah
[07:31] <arunkale> why's that
[07:31] <neosa-chris> hehe
[07:32] <arunkale> so i cant view flash at all?
[07:32] <neosa-chris> h/o i'll find you a wiki (my fav wiki)
[07:32] <neosa-chris> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[07:32] <arunkale> ?
[07:32] <neosa-chris> use that wiki
[07:32] <arunkale> what am i supposed to see over there
[07:32] <neosa-chris> and install flash the right way..
[07:32] <arunkale> i've already seen that
[07:33] <neosa-chris> well... then have you updated Firefox lately?
[07:33] <arunkale> well, i just upgraded to edgy last night
[07:33] <arunkale> and it installed firefox 2
[07:33] <arunkale> and now it keeps crashing
[07:33] <Not_a_Ninja> arunkale ...it might be esd
[07:33] <neosa-chris> sudo apt-get update
[07:33] <neosa-chris> sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:33] <neosa-chris> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ** ignore the one before it
[07:34] <arunkale> umm i've already done the dist-upgrade, right?
[07:34] <Not_a_Ninja> when Firefox starts a Flash thingy, it seems to start an instance of esd, which, for whatever reason, locks up the browser
[07:34] <arunkale> i'm on edgy right now
[07:34] <neosa-chris> naw its just.. a silly little thing
[07:34] <neosa-chris> just do it newayz
[07:34] <Not_a_Ninja> I don't know the solution to this... I've just seen that problem a lot
[07:34] <neosa-chris> i've been running Edgy since alpha 1.. u gotta do that every once in a while
[07:34] <neosa-chris> lol
[07:34] <neosa-chris> i do that instead of upgrade now... just dist-upgrade
[07:36] <arunkale> and that'll fix my fox?
[07:36] <Arafangion> arunkale: Personally, I prefer Konqueror, or Opera9
[07:37] <arunkale> i cant view flash files in opera
[07:37] <neosa-chris> eh i like firefox. I've been a fan back when they didn't even come out with beta hehe
[07:37] <arunkale> just like firefox
[07:37] <arunkale> ok neosa-chris, i'll try the dist-upgrade
[07:38] <neosa-chris> Hey if you want to just... use flash with something..
[07:38] <Arafangion> arunkale: Why not?
[07:38] <arunkale> Arafangion: you tell me
[07:38] <arunkale> heh
[07:38] <momal> hmm for some reason when i right click on a panel and go configure... in the list it only has main panel and external taskbar but i have main panel and another panel that isn't just a external task bar how can i configure that panel :S
[07:38] <neosa-chris> sudo apt-get install (thinks)
[07:38] <Arafangion> arunkale: Did you install it for Opera?
[07:38] <neosa-chris> Good luck arunkale
[07:38] <arunkale> i installed the generic flashplugin-nonfree
[07:38] <arunkale> it was fine before i upgraded to edgy
[07:39] <Arafangion> arunkale: Not good enough.
[07:39] <arunkale> Arafangion: it was good enough for dapper
[07:39] <neosa-chris> its been good enough for my system..
[07:39] <neosa-chris> Whats better?
[07:39] <neosa-chris> epiphany
[07:39] <Arafangion> arunkale: Did you visit a website that used flash, and get it to download you a version?
[07:39] <neosa-chris> sudo apt-get install epiphany
[07:40] <neosa-chris> that is a web browser that will let u watch Flash vids
[07:40] <neosa-chris> almost without a doubt in my mind
[07:40] <arunkale> is that as good as firefox
[07:40] <neosa-chris> hell no
[07:40] <arunkale> haa
[07:40] <neosa-chris> i only use it for flash vids
[07:40] <neosa-chris> lol
[07:40] <neosa-chris> when firefox is being retarded..
[07:40] <neosa-chris> so i wait for updates.. and just use epiphany
[07:40] <momal> firefox + the flash 9 beta works alright I hanv't had a prob with it
[07:41] <momal> Help... for some reason when i right click on a panel and go configure... in the list it only has main panel and external taskbar but i have main panel and another panel that isn't just a external task bar how can i configure that panel :S
[07:41] <arunkale> momal, i downloaded the flash 9 beta
[07:41] <arunkale> how the hell do i move that file to /usr/lib/<firefox>/plugins
[07:41] <arunkale> it doesn't let me do it
[07:41] <arunkale> access denied
[07:41] <momal> sudo ?
[07:41] <arunkale> exactly what command
[07:41] <HymnToLife> !sudo | arunkale
[07:41] <ubotu> arunkale: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:42] <neosa-chris> sudo apt-get install epiphany
[07:42] <arunkale> HymnToLife: i know what sudo is
[07:42] <neosa-chris> Super User Do
[07:42] <neosa-chris> lol
[07:42] <HymnToLife> Arafangion, sudo mv /path/to/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[07:42] <momal> arunkale: sudo cp oldfile tonewfile
[07:43] <Arafangion> How do I tell apt to NEVER upgrade a particular package?
[07:44] <neosa-chris> uh...
[07:44] <HymnToLife> synapptic has a "Lock" option
[07:44] <neosa-chris> Just... use adept
[07:44] <neosa-chris> lol
[07:44] <arunkale> ok i moved the file
[07:44] <arunkale> it still crashes
[07:44] <arunkale> i'm tired of this :(
[07:44] <arunkale> i'm regretting upgrading to edgy
[07:44] <neosa-chris> noo noooo
[07:44] <neosa-chris> don'tttttt
[07:45] <neosa-chris> lol
[07:45] <neosa-chris> I love edgy
[07:45] <neosa-chris> Did you say epiphany crashed?
[07:45] <arunkale> so how do i fix this firefox thing
[07:45] <neosa-chris> oh..
[07:45] <neosa-chris> by waiting till they fix it in development
[07:45] <neosa-chris> lol!
[07:45] <arunkale> i cant even use flash in opera
[07:45] <duane> arunkale: what's wrong again?
[07:45] <duane> i have flash beta 9 running in opera
[07:45] <neosa-chris> sudo apt-get install epiphany
[07:45] <neosa-chris> its a really tiny web-browser
[07:45] <neosa-chris> took me 12 seconds to download and install on my sys
[07:46] <duane> epiphany is horrible
[07:46] <duane> arunkale: follow this tutorial: http://www.wikitut.org/index.php?title=How_to_Install_the_Flash_9_Plugin_on_Linux
[07:46] <duane> worked perfectly for me
[07:46] <neosa-chris> Exactly
[07:46] <neosa-chris> For you
[07:46] <neosa-chris> lol
[07:46] <duane> after you do that just restart opera
[07:46] <Arafangion> Oh forget it.
[07:46] <neosa-chris> Epiphany may suck as a web browser.. but it works fine with flash vids
[07:46] <neosa-chris> whoa its almost 2 am..
[07:47] <neosa-chris> I'm gonna head out.. good luck everyone..
[07:47] <neosa-chris> Hope everythin works out for ya
[07:47] <neosa-chris> www.neosa.tk if ya need me
[07:47] <arunkale> ok trying flash player 9 on opera
[07:48] <arunkale> thanks neosa-chris
[07:48] <lostinspace> LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS.  HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL!
[07:48] <lostinspace> LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS.  HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL!
[07:48] <lostinspace> LOL THE GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR LILOS DEATH AND SENDS GOOD WISHES TO ALL HIS GAY INTERNET LOVERS.  HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILO! I HOPE YOUR GETTING ALL THE DICKS YOU CAN HANDLE IN HELL!
[07:48] <Hikaru79> .....
[07:48] <momal> ok
[07:48] <Hikaru79> That was the most tasteless spam I've ever seen in my life.
[07:48] <HymnToLife> !ops
[07:48] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
[07:48] <arunkale> umm duane, i copied the file to the plugins folder in usr/lib/opera/
[07:49] <arunkale> no luck
[07:49] <arunkale> i'll check out that page now
[07:49] <HymnToLife> Mez, thanks :)
[07:49] <momal> lostinspace: I don't get it LOL
[07:49] <momal> I wonder how many channels he did that in lol
[07:49] <duane> arunkale: make sure you remove the file you put in usr/lib/opera
[07:49] <Arafangion> momal: I would stop now.
[07:50] <momal> ?
[07:50] <Mez> HymnToLife, they;ve been k-lined too now
[07:51] <Arafangion> Mez: With klines, is that per server, or network wide, because I suspect I'm blocked on some servers. (Obviously not all)
[07:51] <Mez> Arafangion, you;ll have to ask an IRCop
[07:51] <Mez> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
[07:52] <Arafangion> Mez: Next time I have a connection trouble, I'll send them an email, thanks.
[07:52] <arunkale> duane: how do i delete a file from the command line
[07:52] <arunkale> ?
[07:53] <Arafangion> Mez: Getting Help doesn't give out any email addys :(
[07:54] <arunkale> is sudo delete a command
[07:55] <Arafangion> arunkale: Yes.
[07:55] <arunkale> ok thanks
[07:55] <Arafangion> arunkale: sudo will execute the program "delete".
[07:55] <Arafangion> arunkale: Assuming the actual program exists.
[07:56] <arunkale> how do i delete a file from the command line
[07:56] <HymnToLife> rm
[07:56] <arunkale> ok thanks
[07:56] <arunkale> :)
[07:56] <Arafangion> arunkale: What are you deleting?
[07:56] <arunkale> libflashplayer.so from the opera folder
[07:56] <TheWheat> i have attached a usb wireless adapter but it doesnt show up in "ifconfig" only "iwconfig". is it necessary to show up in ifconfig for the adapter to work?
[07:57] <momal> Help... for some reason when i right click on a panel and go configure... in the list it only has main panel and external taskbar but i have main panel and another panel that isn't just a external task bar how can i configure that panel :S
[07:57] <arunkale> goddammit why cant i view flash files
[07:57] <duane> did you read dthe website?
[07:58] <duane> that i pasted?
[07:58] <arunkale> duane: yeah
[07:58] <arunkale> i followed the commands
[07:58] <duane> did you restart opera?
[07:58] <arunkale> i tried opening a site with flash in both firefox and opera
[07:58] <arunkale> and both of them crashed
[07:59] <arunkale> duane: actually
[07:59] <arunkale> opera doesnt crash
[07:59] <momal> try opening firefox or opera from konsole then see what the output is
[07:59] <RoC-MM> Uh
[07:59] <arunkale> but it just shows the flash movies for a split second
[07:59] <RoC-MM> that is a known bug
[07:59] <wheatie> arunkale, your using the beta9 version of flash/.
[07:59] <RoC-MM> look on the site
[07:59] <arunkale> and then it's blank again
[07:59] <RoC-MM> you change a thing in /usr/bin/firefox script
[08:00] <arunkale> ?
[08:00] <eilker>  i installed mysql within lamp server,but no gui tool, could you suggest me one pls ?
[08:00] <eilker> !mysql
[08:00] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[08:01] <arunkale> ok i give up
[08:01] <xsacha> me too
[08:02] <eilker> anyone uses mysql??
[08:03] <wheatie> try kmysqladmin
[08:03] <eilker> thanx
[08:03] <wheatie> np
[08:05] <Arafangion> wheatie: How the heck did you know what answer he wanted?
[08:06] <wheatie> he had previously asked for a gui frontend for mysqld, i simply provided one of a number of solutions / applications which fit the criteria
[08:08] <pc22>  whats with edgy? whenever i reboot i have to fix gateway?
[08:08] <newman> vergaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:09] <wheatie> pc22, have you re-ran the network config tool after booting into kde?
[08:10] <pc22> yaeh i do that eveytime i start the comp
[08:10] <pc22> so i will  have internet
[08:11] <wheatie> ie: K ----> system settings ---> Network Settings.
[08:11] <charlie5> hello ... and help :/ ... my grub bootloader seems corrupt and won't load ... i'm using the kubuntu install cd OS at the moment ... sorry, but can anyone help me to re-install grub ... or lilo perhaps ?
[08:12] <wheatie> pc22, when you reboot and you boot into kde, whats the output of route -n , and whats your "eth0" entry in /etc/network/interfaces ( in konsole )
[08:12] <pc22> yeah and it wont help, i have to route add in console for that to work
[08:13] <pc22> its working now no problem but then when i restart comp, i must do it again and again
[08:13] <wheatie> right.
[08:13] <pc22> like network connection is not automatic
[08:15] <eilker> i have very bad password problem....in login screen, also in adept , system doesnt accept my password...
[08:16] <eilker> i have very bad password problem....in login screen, also in adept , system doesnt accept my password...i also have xauth problem, i also have xine problem, many problems..is there any system repair tool in kubuntu ??
[08:17] <eilker> !xauth
[08:17] <ubotu> xauth: X authentication utility. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 21 kB, installed size 80 kB
[08:32] <eilker> !sources.list
[08:32] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:36] <eilker> i lost my sources.list file how can i have it again?
[08:36] <Arafangion> eilker: How'd you manage to loose it?
[08:38] <eilker> Arafangion: i had many problems, and i deleted and copied ubuntu one's by mistake
[08:38] <momal> is it possible to have some panels transparent and others not transparent?
[08:39] <eilker> Arafangion: i only wanna see a default sources.list file
[08:41] <Arafangion> momal: Are you running the latest version of kubuntu?
[08:41] <momal> yup edgy
[08:42] <Arafangion> momal: Could you cut and paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file and put it onto rafb.net/paste for eilker ?
[08:43] <momal> mine aren't default generated with source o matic then just changed dapper to edgy... http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/239246
[08:44] <eilker> thank you very much
[08:45] <MilhousePunkRock> Good morning world!
[08:46] <eilker> my source list ok then, if so why adept cant find "kmysql"
[08:47] <MilhousePunkRock> I recently upgraded from Dapper to Edgy... Well, not recently, I up'ed to the Beta back then and slowly made my way up to the stable release...
[08:47] <MilhousePunkRock> But suspending/hibernating my laptop still does not work...
[08:48] <MilhousePunkRock> For instance I still have KPowersave (which I installed myself on Dapper) instead of the Guidance Power Manager
[08:49] <MilhousePunkRock> About the sleep states, I wonder what old config files or scripts could still be there that keep it from working like it was promised for Edgy?!!??!
[08:49] <knapp> I'm getting some static when I play music or video files, what can I do to eliminate this?
[08:50] <MilhousePunkRock> To ask an easy question: How do I launch Guidance?
[08:50] <MilhousePunkRock> Another easy question: Where did the settings for KMilo go (which I also already used on Dapper)
[08:53] <Arafangion> MilhousePunkRock: As a convention, all your personal settings are stored in ~
[08:53] <Arafangion> MilhousePunkRock: As "dot" files, which (also as a convention) are "hidden"
[08:54] <MilhousePunkRock> Arafangion: Is that for KMilo? I meant the GUI setting tool for it, which used to be in Kcontrol
[08:54] <Arafangion> MilhousePunkRock: Ahh, adding "tool" changes the question entirely ;)
[08:58] <MilhousePunkRock> Or maybe an even better question: Is there a way to change Kcontrol from the "stripped down" Kubuntu version to the KDE default?
[09:32] <dude_> need some help
[09:32] <dude_> i installed clamav
[09:32] <dude_> but i can't find it
[09:34] <eilker> !debconf
[09:34] <ubotu> debconf is a configuration management system. All packages that support debconf are configured when they are being installed. If you want to change a configuration option later, you can do so using dpkg-reconfigure
[09:40] <chahibi> Hello
[09:41] <chahibi> How is Kubuntu 6.10 ?
[09:41] <eilker> !sudoers >eilker
[09:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sudoers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:47] <MilhousePunkRock> Can some Laptop user check wether he has any kind of power settings in KControl?
[09:48] <Arafangion> dude_: It's probably "clamav".
[09:48] <Arafangion> dude_: See if you can find any documentation using "man clamav" or in /usr/local/share/doc
[09:48] <Lynoure> MilhousePunkRock: in edgy or dapper?
[09:48] <Arafangion> Or /usr/share/doc
[09:48] <MilhousePunkRock> Lynoure: Edgy
[09:49] <MilhousePunkRock> Preferrably a "non-clean" Edgy, like mine, upgraded from Dapper...
[09:49] <Lynoure> MilhousePunkRock: cannot help you then, sorry
[09:51] <eilker> Arafangion: this is my sudoers file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30257/   , i have a user as eilker, but eilker is not in sudoers file, where should i add eilker user and eilker doesnt have root rights
[09:52] <Arafangion> eilker: You should add yourself to the admin group.
[09:52] <Arafangion> eilker: Run groups to see what groups you are in, then add to them using usermod -g
[09:52] <Arafangion> eilker: See man groups, and man usermod respectively.
[09:53] <noelvisagie> hello
[09:54] <noelvisagie> anybody
[09:54] <eilker> Arafangion: eilker user is in eilker group, so what will be the command ? sorry newbie here
[09:55] <noelvisagie> ? how do i install visio in kubuntu?
[09:55] <Arafangion> eilker: usermod -g eilker -G admin eilker
[09:56] <Arafangion> noelvisagie: Put the CD in, run the setup application, and select the KUbuntu version.
[09:56] <Arafangion> noelvisagie: That's a joke, btw.
[09:56] <noelvisagie> is it possible though?
[09:57] <Arafangion> noelvisagie: Which version?
[09:57] <eilker> Arafangion: i gave the command, but sudoers file is still same, is it normal ?
[09:57] <Arafangion> noelvisagie: Visio apparently works at the "silver" level.
[09:58] <noelvisagie> visio 2003
[09:58] <Arafangion> eilker: The last line in the sudoer's file indicates that everybody in the admin group has sudo access.
[09:58] <Arafangion> noelvisagie: Then, it's pretty much impossible.
[09:58] <noelvisagie> sh.....
[09:58] <noelvisagie> :)
[09:59] <Arafangion> noelvisagie: You could purchase VMware, and install it in there, or spend some time with Qemu, installing kqemu, but qemu is definetly not as easy as vmware.
[09:59] <eilker> Arafangion: so should i add "%eilker ALL=(ALL) ALL" to the last line of sudoers file ?
[09:59] <Arafangion> eilker: No, but you may have to log out then log back in again to "realise" your newfound membership in the admin group.
[10:00] <noelvisagie> thanks :-)
[10:00] <eilker> Arafangion: ok i am reboot the computer
[10:00] <Arafangion> noelvisagie: On the other hand, you could try the Demo of ..
[10:00] <Arafangion> eilker: NO
[10:00] <Arafangion> eilker: Just log out, and log back in.
[10:00] <dude_> guys, what can you say about gNewSense?
[10:01] <eilker> Arafangion: ok sir
[10:01] <Arafangion> eilker: You only have to reboot if you upgrade the kernel, or need to physically remove/add/replace some critical hardware, such as a CPU.
[10:03] <MilhousePunkRock> Arafangion: Does that mean that for example hard drives are "hot pluggable" in Linux?
[10:04] <eilker> arafangion: now adept accepts my password:) thanx, will the system accept in kde logging screen too ?
[10:04] <Arafangion> MilhousePunkRock: Some are.
[10:04] <Arafangion> MilhousePunkRock: However, I would normally suggest that HDD's are critical.
[10:04] <MilhousePunkRock> eilker: You mean logging in with the user that is now able to sudo?
[10:05] <MilhousePunkRock> Arafangion: I would generally not swap any hardware INSIDE the pc case while it's runnin...
[10:05] <xsacha> lol
[10:05] <Arafangion> MilhousePunkRock: Probably a better suggestion for typical desktop systems. ;)
[10:05] <xsacha> curious: what happens if the clock battery pops out while the computer is running?
[10:05] <xsacha> and then you put it back in
[10:06] <eilker> MilhousePunkRock: yes, because i always get console before kde logging screen, i write startx, it says , xauth: x user not authorized to run x server
[10:06] <MilhousePunkRock> xsacha: Not much, I guess, since that is only used while the machine is powered down, isnt it?
[10:06] <xsacha> mm not sure, i think it has a user while powered up too
[10:06] <xsacha> would it still reset bios settings if left out for 10 secs?
[10:06] <xsacha> use*
[10:07] <MilhousePunkRock> eilker: Try "sudo startx" or even better, add kdm to your init.d (or whatever file does the equivalent on Kubuntu)
[10:07] <nebi> please , my kubuntu edgy not workinkg in ipw 3945, but in dapper any problem,
[10:07] <MilhousePunkRock> xsacha: Go ahead and try it, and report about it once you have everthing set back to normal... ;-)
[10:07] <Arafangion> xsacha: I'm fairly certain you can take the BIOS (Actually, the CMOS) out while the computer is still running.
[10:07] <eilker> !kdm > eilker
[10:08] <xsacha> hmm you try first
[10:08] <eilker> !init.d > eilker
[10:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about init.d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:08] <MilhousePunkRock> xsacha: Can't, it's a laptop
[10:08] <MilhousePunkRock> !upstart
[10:08] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[10:08] <xsacha> just get out a screwdriver.. :)
[10:08] <nebi> please , my kubuntu edgy not workinkg in ipw 3945, but in dapper any problem,
[10:09] <MilhousePunkRock> Does anybody know if upstart is already working?
[10:10] <MilhousePunkRock> !init
[10:10] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions  -  To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d  -  To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local  -  See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy  -  Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[10:10] <nebi> please , my kubuntu edgy not workinkg in ipw 3945, but in dapper any problem, i need a solucion please
[10:10] <MilhousePunkRock> !init > eilker
[10:11] <eilker> MilhousePunkRock: there is kdm file in init.d, i already checked
[10:19] <eilker> could anyone make a pastebin his/her sudoers files pls ? my username is still not in sudoers file...
[10:20] <fdoving> eilker: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30219/
[10:20] <fdoving> that's without comments.
[10:21] <fdoving> make sure you're in the admin group.
[10:22] <eilker> fdoving: thanx, this is mine, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30257/  i have a user as eilker, shoulnt eilker user be in sudoers file ?
[10:23] <Arafangion> eilker: Fine, if you want, copy the line that has root in it, and duplicate it, replacing "root" with "eilker", but it's  DUMB IDEA, as you have already specified an explicit "admin" group, and you have already added yourself to the admin group.
[10:24] <fdoving> eilker: doesn't need to, no.
[10:24] <eilker> Arafangion:ok so i dont do it, sorry for asking, because i dont know what to do
[10:25] <eilker> fdoving: thank fdoving
[10:25] <fdoving> eilker: if you want to add yourself. copy the root line.. and replace root with your username.
[10:25] <Arafangion> eilker: Ok, some fundamental theory.
[10:25] <fdoving> ah.. arafangion just said that :)
[10:25] <Arafangion> eilker: User management on Linux consists of groups and users.
[10:25] <Arafangion> eilker: Every user belongs to some primary group.
[10:25] <fdoving> great minds think alike :)
[10:26] <Arafangion> eilker: Most distros now add each user to a group of their own, calling the group the same as the user, in other words, you were added to a group called eilker by default.
[10:26] <Arafangion> eilker: Now, to ease administration, it's convenient to add various privilages to "Everyone in the floppy group" (So that they can access the floppy drive), or to everyone in the "audio" group (So that they can use the sound card), etc.
[10:27] <Arafangion> eilker: What we have here is the "admin" group, which has the privilage of being able to use the all-powerful sudo program.
[10:27] <Arafangion> eilker: We have added you to this "admin" group, so you too, are able to use this sudo program.
[10:28] <eilker> Arafangion: i am new linux user, not similar these definitions, so that i asked for adding myself to sudoers file or not, because i have kde logging problem as i said, thank you very much for your interest:)
[10:28] <Arafangion> eilker: It's actually a tiny subset of the windows account management.
[10:28] <eilker> Arafangion: yes u r right
[10:29] <Arafangion> eilker: Now, the sudoer's file has nothing to do with KDE itself.
[10:29] <eilker> Arafangion: now let me reboot computer, to see if i will have , logging problem again, i wonder if our solution solved it too or not
[10:29] <Arafangion> eilker: Who do you login as at the moment?
[10:29] <Arafangion> eilker: Just log out and log back in again.
[10:30] <eilker> Arafangion: i have only two user, root and eilker
[10:30] <Arafangion> eilker: *sigh*
[10:30] <Arafangion> eilker: Please type in: ls -lah ~/ and paste the output to rafb.net/paste
[10:31] <Arafangion> eilker: I think you've been running programs as root when you didn't need to - as a result, these programs stored their configuration in /home/eilker/.foo and this is conflicting with kde's startup.
[10:31] <Arafangion> eilker: In anyc ase, this paste will confirm that.
[10:32] <eilker> Arafangion: sir here it is http://rafb.net/paste/results/Tm5PCs34.html
[10:33] <Arafangion> eilker: Ok, that's good, you haven't been runing programs as root :)
[10:33] <eilker> Arafangion: :)
[10:34] <Arafangion> eilker: What's the precise issue you have with respect to logging in as eilker ?
[10:34] <Tired_> Hi. I'm looking to replace one of my Windows machines with Kubuntu. It has to be able to share a drive over the network with the other Windows box...what would I need to google to find out more about how to do that?
[10:34] <xsacha> !samba
[10:34] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[10:35] <Tired_> Lovely. Thank you. :)
[10:35] <Arafangion> Tired_: Incidently, samba servers are faster than windows at sharing files.
[10:35] <Tired_> As long as it's fast enough to stream a DVD, I should be OK.
[10:36] <eilker> Arafangion: i open my computer, before kde logging screen comes a console, i close it, kde login screen comes, and i write my password, it doesnt accept, i select from menu "console login" in console i login as eilker than startx
[10:37] <Tired_> Oh...I need it to go the other way...sharing a disc from the Ubuntu machine to the Windows one...Samba is the tool for that as well?
[10:37] <Arafangion> Tired_: Be aware that by default, Ubuntu can't play encrypted media.
[10:37] <Arafangion> Tired_: Yes :)
[10:37] <Tired_> The Windows box plays the media...the Kubuntu box will be for actual work.
[10:38] <xsacha> yeah you just stick cd rom in share in samba for your kubuntu box
[10:38] <Arafangion> Tired_: imho, once setting up ubuntu so that it can play DVD's, Linux actually plays them /better/ than windows.
[10:38] <Tired_> Unfortunately, my windows box has to stay windows for my pvr software...I don't care for myth
[10:39] <Tired_> :/
[10:39] <eilker> Arafangion: now let me reboot, to see it solved or not :)
[10:39] <Arafangion> eilker: :)
[10:40] <eilker> Arafangion: coming after two minutes :)
[10:40] <Arafangion> eilker: I'll be gone :)
[10:40] <eilker> Arafangion: ok thanx for all:)
[10:40] <Arafangion> eilker: np :)
[10:40] <Tired_> wow, it has a GUI? sweet...things seem to have improved a lot since last time I tried linux (back on 2003)
[10:40] <xsacha> it does? :O
[10:41] <Arafangion> Tired_: What's the gui called?
[10:41] <xsacha> i've been editing the config file in vim :(
[10:41] <Tired_> i dunno...i found screenshots on one of the samba pages on the ubuntu wiki
[10:41] <Arafangion> Tired_: They're writing a brand new replacement for samba at the moment.
[10:41] <xsacha> link
[10:42] <xsacha> oh, right, the bots link
[10:42] <Tired_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba
[10:43] <Arafangion>  Tired_ I don't see any gui for samba on that page.
[10:43] <xsacha> Network Settings
[10:43] <Tired_> oh...i could very well be mistaken
[10:43] <Electrolyte> What the heck is wrong with OpenOffice?
[10:43] <Electrolyte> Honestly, the fonts are horrible.
[10:43] <Arafangion> Electrolyte: Fonts are what comes with Linux, afaik.
[10:43] <Electrolyte> I have MSCore fonts isntalled though :/
[10:43] <Electrolyte> It's showing Arial and it looks dreadful.
[10:44] <Arafangion> Electrolyte: How did you install them?
[10:44] <Electrolyte> apt...
[10:44] <Electrolyte> All other programs are fine, except OpenOffice.
[10:44] <Tired_> the one other problem i anticipate is converting my drive from NTFS to ext3 or whatever I end up using...can that be done without a second disc or losing files?
[10:45] <xsacha> cant convert from ntfs to ext3 :S
[10:45] <Arafangion> Tired_: possibly, but for something as critical as that, I ALWAYS suggest backing it up anyway.
[10:45] <martinez> hallo
[10:45] <florg> hi, my apt is unusable because an application formerly installed with apt has been deleted accidently
[10:45] <zorglu_> Tired_: burning cd ?
[10:45] <fdoving> florg: do you have error messages?
[10:45] <florg> is there a way to force apt to remove the package from the list?
[10:46] <xsacha> you could send your important files to your other comp (network)
[10:46] <Tired_> lol, not really critical...it's mostly just avi's and mp3's...i just don't want to waste 20 dvd-r's backing up 100GB just to put it back on with the new filesystem
[10:46] <fdoving> florg: is the package available online, from the repositories?
[10:46] <fdoving> florg: easiest way is to reinstall it, and then remove it with apt.
[10:46] <florg> yes
[10:46] <Arafangion> Tired_: How much free space do you have on there?
[10:46] <zorglu_> Tired_: you can not convert ntfs to ext3 'inplace' you need some external storage
[10:47] <florg> lol. this i tried the whole last night!
[10:47] <florg> now it works
[10:47] <Tired_> on this one, or on the whole network, Arafangion?
[10:47] <xsacha> if you have spare space you could 'slowly' swap over the data :P
[10:47] <florg> thx
[10:47] <Arafangion> Tired_: On that HDD.
[10:47] <xsacha> well resizing ntfs is meant to be risky
[10:47] <Tired_> 'slowly'? 20GB free of 120 total
[10:47] <Arafangion> Tired_: If it's nearly full, you could consider just leaving it as NTFS.
[10:47] <Arafangion> Tired_: You just won't be able to write to it.
[10:48] <Tired_> I thought nothing could read NTFS all that well except windows
[10:48] <xsacha> you can read ntfs perfectly fine, just not write
[10:48] <Tired_> oh, that wouldn't work, then
[10:48] <xsacha> you can view the files, play music off it and so on
[10:48] <xsacha> you can actually eidt the files so long as the filesize of the file does not change
[10:48] <Tired_> it's not completely static...I move stuff on and off every now and then
[10:48] <xsacha> edit*
[10:49] <Tired_> sounds like I'll have to bite the bullet and waste the dvd-r's
[10:49] <Tired_> at least they're cheap
[10:49] <xsacha> how much space on the other hard drive?
[10:49] <xsacha> on the network
[10:50] <Arafangion> Tired_: You could always purchase another HDD.
[10:50] <Tired_> 20gb free on the drive I want to change, probably around 30GB on the network drive, but spread over 6 drives
[10:50] <xsacha> buying another hard drive wouldnt be bad :P instead of wasting money on dvd-r's you wont use again
[10:51] <Tired_> no where to add a new drive...every slot is taken :/
[10:51] <xsacha> then you'd have ~120 G
[10:51] <xsacha> 220*
[10:51] <Tired_> i'd need a new PC
[10:51] <xsacha> external?
[10:51] <Arafangion> Tired_: Temporarily remove one.
[10:51] <xsacha> yeah remove one from other PC
[10:51] <Tired_> external's an idea...
[10:51] <Tired_> hadn't thought of that
[10:52] <Tired_> i could take the 250 out of the network drive and put it in a USB enclosure and replace it with one of those nice new 500's
[10:52] <Arafangion> Tired_: All you need is the source HDD, destination HDD, and some boot media, such as your CD drive.
[10:52] <Arafangion> Tired_: A few hours later, the copy should be done, and you can set it back the way it was.
[10:53] <Tired_> :) sounds like I have several options
[10:53] <xsacha> that's what linux is about :p
[10:54] <Tired_> one last question...kind of an opinion thing
[10:54] <Tired_> what will i find less good on an older, slower processor?
[10:54] <Arafangion> Tired_: What do you mean?
[10:54] <Tired_> (dual pentium 3 xeon 550's)
[10:54] <Arafangion> "less good"?
[10:54] <Arafangion> Tired_: As far as linux is concerned, that's fast.
[10:55] <Arafangion> Tired_: It's RAM that you need to think about in Linux.
[10:55] <Tired_> not as useful or working as it would be on a more modern processor
[10:55] <Tired_> oh, I have 1.5GB
[10:55] <Tired_> it's an old server hand-me-down
[10:55] <xsacha> i never get to use my cpu to its fullest :( like 10% in a compile.. even with beryl and crazy 3d effects highest im getting is around 27%
[10:55] <Arafangion> My server is 233MHz.
[10:56] <Tired_> i was wondering about beryl...i don't really know what it is, but it sounds nifty
[10:56] <Arafangion> xsacha: You must have a decent graphics card.
[10:56] <xsacha> pretty old.. Radeon 9600 256MB
[10:56] <Tired_> define 'decent' in that context, would you?
[10:57] <xsacha> beryl runs fine on a Radeon 7500
[10:57] <Tired_> would a GF4 be ok?
[10:57] <xsacha> it runs fine on a GF2 and yes, great on GF4
[10:57] <Tired_> awesome :D
[10:58] <Tired_> as a technically minded home user, would there be any advantage to using the LTS version, or should I just use the latest?
[10:59] <linuxmigration> ^^ is why i wish ubuntu had a third stage of stability a la debian
[11:00] <Tired_> hmm?
[11:00] <xsacha> i dont know, i just know i want cutting edgy :P
[11:01] <Tired_> i can see how the LTS would be advantageous for someone at work, but I don't mind having to learn how to fix something if it breaks (heck, that's part of the fun)
[11:02] <xsacha> well there's heaps of support here anyway :)
[11:02] <Tired_> :)
[11:02] <Tired_> you seem like nice enough folks
[11:03] <linuxmigration> Tired_: debian has one repo that one almost anything can get into (and doesn't need to work on every supported arch), one that requires baking in the first one for a while (few weeks or a month.  might also require the package to work on a couple archs) and one that is what the second becomes after a freeze.  that requires all packages to be available for every architecture that's supported.
[11:04] <noaXess_kubuntu> !easysource
[11:04] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:07] <Tired_> well, that's about all the questions I can think of...I'll be sure to return if I have any problems :) thanks for the help
[11:08] <Electrolyte> Oh OpenOffice sucks.
[11:09] <Electrolyte> You click on an image within a document, and it crashes.
[11:09] <Electrolyte> Just closes - nothing else.
[11:12] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: this on edgy?
[11:12] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder
[11:12] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[11:12] <Electrolyte> Yup.
[11:12] <Electrolyte> I also have the font problem too.
[11:12] <Electrolyte> Making it difficult for me to do my college assignment ;(
[11:12] <ubuntu> Is it possible to install kubuntu whit a minimal installsion without kde and X and other applications?
[11:13] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-October/022037.html
[11:14] <Electrolyte> Ah, thanks.
[11:14] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: If I get to find a usefull fix it goes here: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/%28k%29ubuntufixes
[11:15] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: yw :-)
[11:15] <Electrolyte> Oh great, my sources list is broke :/
[11:15] <Electrolyte> URGH.
[11:15] <Electrolyte> Now I need to edit it manually to fix it :/
[11:16] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[11:16] <Electrolyte> Where is sources.list?
[11:16] <Electrolyte> Since it's broken apt won't launch.
[11:17] <msl> Electrolyte: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:17] <Electrolyte> Ty :/
[11:17] <TheGateKeeper> damn I was too slow
[11:18] <gianluca_> Hi to Everybody
[11:19] <Electrolyte> TheGateKeeper: How do I add deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/ edgy/all/?
[11:19] <Electrolyte> the edgy/all/ bit broke the sources list before.
[11:19] <momal> anyone know of a dock bar for kde? similar to kiba-dock but more kde friendly?
[11:19] <AZ_AS> tried an old DOS game in DosBox under Kubuntu, but the only problem is I can't see the cursor so I don't know how to get out of DosBox...suggestions?
[11:22] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: I don't use edgy (at least not yet) so I am not sure that looks like a repo --> http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/edgy/all/
[11:23] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: you have added a space maybe that is the problem
[11:23] <voicu> hi, shouldn't libxine-extracodecs be enough for amarok to play mp3 files?
[11:23] <voicu> i'm using edgy
[11:23] <TheGateKeeper> voicu: yep
[11:23] <abattoir> voicu: yes, it should(as it installs libmad as well)
[11:24] <Electrolyte> TheGateKeeper: No, that isn't the problem.
[11:24] <voicu> btw, what does libmad do why isn't it installed with the other packages when kubuntu is set up?
[11:25] <voicu> *and why
[11:25] <Electrolyte> TheGateKeeper - after you have /ubuntu/ it should be /dist/ then /edgy/
[11:25] <fdoving> Electrolyte: 'deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/edgy/all/ ./'
[11:25] <Electrolyte> K.
[11:25] <Electrolyte> And that broke the list AGAIN.
[11:26] <raulursu> hi  all
[11:26] <fdoving> Electrolyte: no way? what i told you did not break the list, it should work.
[11:26] <Electrolyte> It breaks if you use Adept Manager.
[11:26] <MilhousePunkRock> !multimedia > voicu
[11:27] <Electrolyte> And I'm about to pull my hair out over this programming assignment :<
[11:27] <Electrolyte> I hate .Net so much.
[11:27] <fdoving> I don't belive it breaks with adept manager either.
[11:27] <raulursu> mitza
[11:27] <voicu> thanks but i solved the problem. i forgot that the package i already had was for dapper, not edgy
[11:27] <raulursu> eu as manca o tocanitza
[11:27] <raulursu> tocanitza
[11:27] <voicu> silly me
[11:27] <Electrolyte> TheGateKeeper: It looks like the packages are broken.
[11:27] <Electrolyte> Adept just gave me an error :/
[11:28] <voicu> raulursu, nice to see romanian but try english :D
[11:28] <raulursu> :))
[11:28] <raulursu> k
[11:28] <voicu> it's spelled poradge
[11:28] <raulursu> vocu u are romanian
[11:28] <Electrolyte> TheGateKeeper: Failed to fetch http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/edgy/all/edgy/all/openoffice.org-style-default_2.0.4-2ubuntu0.4_all.deb  404 Not Found
[11:28] <raulursu> voicu u are romanian
[11:28] <Electrolyte> TheGateKeeper: And it does that with all 5 packages :/
[11:28] <voicu> uh, yep
[11:28] <raulursu> y:)
[11:29] <AZ_AS> someone else helped me out so all's well :)
[11:29] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: like I said I don't use edgy this was from someone I know who does, & got it working
[11:30] <raulursu> linux kubuntu is verry nice
[11:30] <georgeb> Electrolyte: the address is wrong, try http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/edgy/all/openoffice.org-common_2.0.4-2ubuntu0.4_all.deb
[11:30] <Electrolyte> I don't want to download all 5 packages manually though.
[11:30] <raulursu> i' tried it last night
[11:31] <georgeb> Electrolyte: in your address edgy/all/ appeares two time
[11:31] <voicu> have you ever used linux before?
[11:31] <Electrolyte> Not in my sources.list it doesn't however georgeb.
[11:31] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: if someone else can fix this & produce a repo it begs the question what are (k)ubuntu playing at!!
[11:32] <Electrolyte> I don't think they have that respository setup correctly :/
[11:33] <Electrolyte> repository*
[11:33] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: any idea when (k)ubuntu is going to pull it's finger out & put these open office fixes into the repos?
[11:33] <Electrolyte> Too bad KOffice doesn't support .doc.
[11:34] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: did you upgrade from dapper?
[11:34] <Arafangion> What program do you guys use to burn CDs?
[11:34] <Electrolyte> Nope.
[11:34] <fdoving> Electrolyte: ah, it's 'deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/ edgy/all/'
[11:34] <chahibi_> k3b
[11:34] <TheGateKeeper> k3b
[11:34] <Arafangion> TheGateKeeper: I guess you weren't here when Ubuntu had a seg faulting OpenOffice ;)
[11:34] <chahibi_> why is Kubuntu and GNU in general slow?
[11:35] <fdoving> TheGateKeeper: it needs an SRU, it's ongoing afaik.
[11:35] <Arafangion> chahibi_: Define "slow"
[11:35] <georgeb> Electrolyte: i tried adding the repos from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-October/022037.html in my sources.list and it works
[11:35] <chahibi_> I mean starting application and responsiveness
[11:35] <Electrolyte> georgeb - yes, but Adept it breaks.
[11:35] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: SRU ??
[11:35] <Arafangion> chahibi_: Compared to windows?
[11:35] <Electrolyte> It adds some sort of weird character.
[11:35] <fdoving> !sru | thegatekeeper
[11:35] <ubotu> thegatekeeper: sru is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[11:35] <chahibi_> Arafangion: For example, yes
[11:35] <Arafangion> chahibi_: Windows preloads like crazy.
[11:35] <Arafangion> chahibi_: So, when you start MS Office, it's /already/ loaded.
[11:35] <Electrolyte> fdoving - ty, that worked.
[11:36] <chahibi_> Arafangion: Hmm, OpenOffice is faster on win than on lin
[11:36] <Arafangion> chahibi_: OpenOffice is a complex problem.
[11:36] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: ohhh
[11:36] <chahibi_> Arafangion: Is there anyway to make me feel Linux faster?
[11:37] <Arafangion> chahibi_: You could install oooqs-kde
[11:37] <TheGateKeeper> chahibi_: yep install arch linux
[11:37] <Electrolyte> TheGateKeeper: Any idea when the font problem is being sorted for OpenOffice?
[11:37] <georgeb> Electrolyte: it works in adept too; i pasted my /etc/apt/sources.list at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30261/
[11:37] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: none I am just a user :-)
[11:37] <chahibi_> TheGateKeeper: Does it have a broad range of packages?
[11:38] <Electrolyte> georgeb: Well, it didn't work for me.
[11:38] <Electrolyte> georgeb: It added some really weird character to the end.
[11:38] <Arafangion> How do I burn an ISO in KDE?
[11:38] <chahibi_> Arafangion: K3B
[11:38] <georgeb> Electrolyte: then try to add the repos as in my paste
[11:38] <chahibi_> Arafangion: Double click on the iso file
[11:38] <Electrolyte> I've already done it georgeb.
[11:39] <Electrolyte> I used fdoving's.
[11:39] <TheGateKeeper> chahibi_: yes as far as I know, but be warned it's for intermediate users
[11:40] <Arafangion> Just for interest, why can't I use cdrecord -scanbus?
[11:41] <chahibi_> Arafangion: sudo cdrecord -scanbus
[11:41] <Arafangion> chahibi_: It complains about not having access to /dev/pg*, even with root pivs.
[11:41] <Arafangion> *privs
[11:41] <JackPhil> how to connect several irc servers when konversation launch up
[11:42] <chahibi_> Arafangion: Let k3b do it by its own
[11:42] <Arafangion> chahibi_: Just installed it, now it's doing an md5sum.  Last time I used k3b was 5 years ago ;) Could be interesting.
[11:42] <Arafangion> chahibi_: It's nice.
[11:42] <chahibi_> Arafangion: You can burn without waiting for the check
[11:43] <Arafangion> chahibi_: First time I use something, I tend to just take all the defaults, to see what it does :)
[11:43] <chahibi_> :)
[11:43] <chahibi_> Arafangion: The best Kubuntu/ubuntu soruce of Howtos, Docs...??????????
[11:43] <Arafangion> chahibi_: But my question still stands - how does one use cdrecord today?
[11:44] <chahibi_> Arafangion: No idea, man cdrecord
[11:44] <Arafangion> Heh.
[11:44] <chahibi_> Arafangion: it has may be changed because of the new Kernels
[11:45] <Arafangion> chahibi_: It appears that cdrecord has languished out of development - it's still stuck with the early scsi-compatible mode burners
[11:45] <Arafangion> chahibi_: Exactly.
[11:45] <chahibi_> Arafangion: I have the same problem
[11:46] <chahibi_> Arafangion: You can get the info you want from K3B configure....
[11:46] <chahibi_> The best Kubuntu/ubuntu soruce of Howtos, Docs...??????????
[11:46] <Arafangion> chahibi_: I'm old-school, I like the command line :)
[11:46] <Arafangion> chahibi_: Yes, the wiki, I know.
[11:47] <Arafangion> chahibi_: I'm in an awkward spot because I'm so used to the "old" systems, and I'm using Ubuntu - with KDE rather than kubuntu proper.
[11:47] <Arafangion> So #ubuntu can't help with any suggestions, and usually the wiki isn't as detailed as I'd like it to be.
[11:48] <chahibi_> Arafangion: man:/ in Konqueror looks cool
[11:48] <chahibi_> Arafangion: and info:/ too
[11:48] <cpk1> Arafangion: ubuntu with kde is kubuntu...
[11:48] <Arafangion> Nice. :)
[11:49] <Arafangion> cpk1: Minus the sound control, minus the keyboard bindings, minus the cd burner, minus the...
[11:49] <cpk1> Arafangion: the only difference between kubuntu and ubuntu is one uses kde and one uses gnome
[11:49] <Arafangion> cpk1: The Ubuntu folks bind too much crap to gnome itself rather than keeping things nice and separate.
[11:50] <Arafangion> brb, setting up server :)
[11:50] <cpk1> Arafangion: minus, cd burner, bindings and sound control?!?! that makes no sense
[11:51] <Arafangion> cpk1: Indeed.
[11:53] <chahibi_> Krita is tooooooooooooooooooooooo much slow
[12:00] <xsacha> ms partnering up with novell? http://www.mustap.com/media/msLinux.gif
[12:01] <cpk1> old news
[12:02] <Arafangion> xsacha: If it's on slashdot, it's old news.
[12:02] <Arafangion> xsacha: If it's on newsforge, it's probably ancient news.
[12:02] <Arafangion> Wierd, found an 80G HDD in my room.
[12:02] <Arafangion> But it looks corrupt!
[12:08] <mc__|hausarbeit> whats the best p2p app in edgy?
[12:09] <cpk1> well frostwire is pretty much the only option...
[12:09] <mc__|hausarbeit> cpk1: it seems to be broken
[12:09] <xsacha> http://www.kde-apps.org/index.php?xcontentmode=234
[12:10] <cpk1> mc__|hausarbeit: no, you need to tell it to use bash instead of dash
[12:10] <mc__|hausarbeit> cpk1: ill try
[12:10] <grxmrx> is there any way to set firefox background with kubuntu settings?
[12:11] <mc__|hausarbeit> cpk1: it already uses bash
[12:11] <mc__|hausarbeit> xsacha: thank you
[12:11] <xsacha> you mean the frostwire script? it will have 'sh'
[12:11] <grxmrx> I have changed font settings and then firefox GUI background changed from light gray to dark gray...
[12:11] <xsacha> change the 'sh' to 'bash'
[12:11] <josh_> how do i reconfigure a new sound card
[12:12] <mc__|hausarbeit> xsacha: nope it has bash
[12:12] <cpk1> mc__|hausarbeit: you edited /usr/bin/frostwire ?
[12:12] <mc__|hausarbeit> cpk1: nope
[12:12] <mc__|hausarbeit> cpk1:
[12:12] <cpk1> so that line 3 looks like bash runFrost.sh
[12:12] <mc__|hausarbeit> #!/bin/bash
[12:12] <mc__|hausarbeit> cd /usr/lib/frostwire
[12:12] <mc__|hausarbeit> sh runFrost.sh
[12:12] <xsacha> change sh to bash
[12:12] <cpk1> mc__|hausarbeit: so it uses dash, edgy uses dash instead of bash now
[12:12] <mc__|hausarbeit> cpk1: oh sorry,i just looked at the shebang
[12:13] <mc__|hausarbeit> cpk1: dash instead of bash,now that will cause a lot of problems
[12:13] <xsacha> yeah
[12:13] <wilman> what is the shell irc program?
[12:13] <xsacha> irssi
[12:13] <wilman> ok;)
[12:15] <josh_> how do i configure a sound card?
[12:16] <skript> seeing how there are still some 'edgy known problems', how safe/stable is it to run edgy ?
[12:16] <xsacha> stable and safe right here but maybe i'm lucky
[12:17] <skript> ok... I hope ill be just as lucky then ;)
[12:17] <mc__|hausarbeit> skript: beside an easy to fix frostwire bug i expierienced no problems
[12:17] <mc__|hausarbeit> skript: also no crashes
[12:19] <skript> ok... thanks for the feedback
[12:22] <marco> people, I need a lot of help
[12:22] <marco> seriously
[12:23] <marco> I just updated my language settings to my native language
[12:23] <marco> and it cancelled openoffice!!!!
[12:23] <marco> why?
[12:23] <marco> how can I install it again?
[12:23] <marco> please help me
[12:23] <marco> I really need to use some documents
[12:23] <xsacha> just install it again in adept
[12:24] <marco> it breaks
[12:24] <cpk1> maybe there isnt an open office in your language?
[12:24] <cpk1> what language is your native one?
[12:24] <xsacha> could try KOffice
[12:24] <marco> no, impossible, I was using it in italian before
[12:24] <marco> I tried with apt get but it says I cannot, the package is incomplete
[12:25] <marco> where I can find some .deb files for openoffice?
[12:25] <der_steppenwolf> i want to download kubuntu 6.10 and install it but i don't want to erase my whole partition, which has now kubuntu breezy,  because i have much information in my home directory. How can I erase appropriately the whole distribution?
[12:26] <cpk1> marco: try installing this? openoffice.org-l10n-it
[12:26] <marco> but that is just the language pack
[12:26] <cpk1> but it will probably install the rest of open office
[12:26] <marco> really?
[12:26] <marco> I'm trying it now
[12:27] <marco> please stay with me for some help
[12:27] <der_steppenwolf> anyone can answer me?
[12:28] <cpk1> der_steppenwolf: you will need to upgrade to dapper and then upgrade to edgy
[12:28] <der_steppenwolf> it was not possible, i tried
[12:28] <der_steppenwolf> now the system is damaged. Even i can install kde
[12:29] <xsacha> :S
[12:29] <der_steppenwolf> So, i want to download a distribution
[12:29] <xsacha> well it is 'possible' it just broke for you for some reason :(
[12:29] <der_steppenwolf> i can't install kde, sorry
[12:29] <xsacha> you didnt make a /home partition? : (
[12:29] <cpk1> xsacha: alot of people dont
[12:29] <marco> nothing seems to happen
[12:30] <marco> it just wants to install also the mozilla package for italian
[12:30] <der_steppenwolf> nope, that was an error
[12:30] <cpk1> marco: =\ it was mostly a shot in the dark
[12:30] <marco> ?
[12:30] <marco> what u mean?
[12:31] <cpk1> marco: I was hoping that since its the language pack for OOo that it would also need ot install OOo
[12:31] <der_steppenwolf> Well, i could repartitionate, right?
[12:31] <der_steppenwolf> which utility can do that in kubuntu?
[12:31] <marco> so u know where I can find the deb files for openoffice?
[12:31] <vandenoever> is there jambi for kubuntu?
[12:32] <cpk1> probably at openoffice.org
[12:34] <vandenoever> cpk1: really, openoffice + jambi?
[12:34] <vandenoever> cpk1: oh never mind, wrong lines
[12:34] <cpk1> err no, that was @ marco
[12:34] <marco> no, nothing there
[12:35] <georgeb> marco: OOo is in the main ubuntu repository
[12:35] <cpk1> der_steppenwolf: i suppose you could make a new partition out of free space and move your /home there and then format the other partition and install on that and then resize /home to have more space
[12:35] <marco> yeah but Adept don't let me download it!!
[12:36] <georgeb> marco: the IT language pack for OOo package is called openoffice.org-l10n-it
[12:36] <georgeb> marco: what's the error ?
[12:36] <marco> it breaks
[12:36] <marco> package incomplete
[12:36] <der_steppenwolf> yes, i suppose that as well, can you recommend me a good partition program?
[12:36] <rythan> GParted Live CD
[12:38] <marco> I have a .tar file...can I install it as a .deb one?
[12:39] <cpk1> if you have a .dsc and .change along with the tar (.change might not be needed) you can make a .deb
[12:40] <marco> how?
[12:42] <marco> and what if I donwload a cd image?
[12:42] <marco> it would install just like a .deb file, right?
[12:46] <xsacha> you can use cd as a repository
[12:46] <marco> how, can u teach me how?
[12:46] <marco> what I have to put in my source.list?
[12:47] <xsacha> i've never had to do it :P
[12:49] <Arafangion> Basically invokes dpkg-scanpackages, but I've also never had to do it.
[12:53] <eilker> anyone can help for this ? "xauth:  error in locking authority file /home/eilker/.Xauthority"
[12:53] <esben> eilker: Try ls -l /home/eilker/.Xauthority
[12:54] <intelikey> or better yet sudo rm /home/eilker/.Xauthority
[12:55] <esben> intelikey: Hey! I was trying to ease him into understanding the problem here :o)
[12:55] <intelikey> ;/
[12:55] <intelikey> why not just tell him ?
[12:56] <esben> intelikey: I wanted to be sure first :)
[12:56] <intelikey> lol
[12:56] <intelikey> ok
[12:56] <eilker> esben: is this problem ? "-rw------- 1 root root 49 2006-11-05 13:45 /home/eilker/.Xauthority"
[12:56] <eilker> intelikey: should i delete it?
[12:56] <intelikey> eilker it is indeed.
[12:57] <intelikey> yes you should
[12:57] <esben> eilker: Yes. you have probably started X as root at some point, and now your own user can't write to .Xauthority. Just delete it, it will be recreated :)
[12:57] <intelikey> or at the least chown it.
[12:57] <intelikey> either will work equally well in most cases
[12:57] <esben> eilker: And you don't need to be root to rm it, not that it really matters :)
[12:58] <intelikey> esben you better rethink that one.
[12:58] <eilker> esben: my problem is, when i reboot computer, before kde logging screen comes a console
[12:59] <esben> intelikey: What? You can delete any file as long as you own the directory, and you can't change permissions of other people's files  without becoming root (or them)
[12:59] <esben> eilker: Have you delete that file yet? If yes, there is probably more stale files in /tmp
[01:00] <intelikey> esben "<eilker> esben: is this problem ? "-rw------- 1 root root 49 2006-11-05 13:45 /home/eilker/.Xauthority""  <---^   dude...
[01:00] <esben> intelikey: Bend it in neon for me, please. I don't see it
[01:01] <cpk1> [04:01:08]  <esben> eilker: Yes. you have probably started X as root at some point huh, i thought to start stop KDM you had to be root anyways...
[01:01] <intelikey> esben "<eilker> esben: is this problem ? "-rw------- 1 root root 49 2006-11-05 13:45 /home/eilker/.Xauthority""  <---^   dude...
[01:01] <intelikey> :)
[01:01] <[cf] nightrid3r> esben: i realy want to see you delete a file thats owned by root as a regular user
[01:01] <cpk1> its not hard
[01:01] <cpk1> sudo rm
[01:02] <[cf] nightrid3r> cpk1: :)
[01:02] <Phille> tjena p er
[01:02] <esben> [cf] nightrid3r: sudo touch tmpfile; rm tmpfile
[01:02] <esben> I just did it
[01:03] <esben> [cf] nightrid3r: As long as you own the directory, you can delete any file.
[01:03] <intelikey> and cpk1 actually you can hack xorg to accept starting as user but it's very un-stable, or else a complete hack.
[01:04] <eilker> "xauth: x user not authorized to run x server" why do i always get this?
[01:04] <Arafangion> eilker: Cut a long story short: These are the groups I'm part of:
[01:04] <Arafangion> arafangion adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[01:04] <intelikey> esben your test is flawed.   sudo touch blah ;ls -l blah   will reviel that it's not  600   as that auth file was.
[01:05] <eilker> i get this whenever i open my  pc , before kde logging window "xauth: x user not authorized to run x server" why do i always get this?
[01:05] <esben> intelikey: sudo touch tmpfile; sudo chmod 600 tmpfile; rm tmpfile works too :p
[01:05] <eilker> Arafangion: didnt we give access right together ? why do i still get it ?
[01:06] <intelikey> esben you didn't ls it.
[01:06] <Arafangion> eilker: There are several different groups you should belong to.
[01:07] <esben> intelikey: This is getting long :)  sudo touch tmpfile; sudo chmod 600 tmpfile; ls -l tmpfile; rm tmpfile => -rw------- 1 root root 0 2006-11-05 13:12 tmpfile
[01:07] <Arafangion> eilker: It's probably complaining about at least the audio and video groups.
[01:07] <Arafangion> eilker: But, I would persevere with intelikey, as it sounds like you are capable of becomming a rather competent admin.
[01:07] <intelikey> esben and ?   :)
[01:07] <eilker> Arafangion: how can i add those grorups ?
[01:08] <intelikey> oh duh...  you can't rm it as user.... geee
[01:08] <esben> intelikey: I can still delete the file.
[01:08] <Arafangion> eilker: usermod -G adm,dialout,cdrom,...
[01:08] <esben> intelikey: really, I sweat I just did it :)
[01:08] <esben> *swear
[01:08] <Arafangion> eilker: Followed finally by your username, of course.
[01:09] <cpk1> sudo rm is actually rm'ing as root not a user =P
[01:09] <cpk1> technically speaking
[01:10] <esben> cpk1: There is no sudo in from of my rm (if you were speaking to me). Doing it on a separate line works too, but is less copy&paste friendly
[01:10] <intelikey> cpk1 he's right.  it's dir perms.  not file perms.
[01:11] <Arafangion> cpk1: I feel that it's better to say that it's rm'ing as the user, with root privs.
[01:11] <intelikey> you can write to ~ so you can rm ~
[01:11] <Arafangion> cpk1: Since sudo doesn't replace the environment variables (Annoyingly)
[01:11] <eilker> Arafangion: i checked all system groups included in user eilker
[01:11] <intelikey> Arafangion -i it does.
[01:12] <intelikey> esben i stand recrekted.  (corrected that is)  i suppose i had forfoten that it it dir permissions that restrict removal....  sorry.
[01:13] <eilker> i have only 908 mb free in kubuntu, can this be thr origine of problem, i have already installed lamp server too
[01:13] <cpk1> you know what I have noticed lately? everyonce in a while some of my apps (mainly gaim and gkrellm) lock themselves up for a couple of seconds while refreshing themselves
[01:14] <cpk1> so, if root throws something in ~ the user can remove it?
[01:14] <intelikey> esben i get so used to seeing knot heads tell me things that aren't so that i almost expect it now...  i'll try to watch that a little more closely.    k
[01:15] <esben> intelikey: hehe, don't worry :) I hope I didn't offend :) You do a lot of good work in here :)
[01:15] <eilker> arafangion: i have only 908 mb free in kubuntu, can this be the origine of problem, i have already installed lamp server too
[01:15] <[cf] nightrid3r> cpk1: ati video card ?
[01:15] <cpk1> nvidia
[01:15] <cpk1> it doesnt seem to happen to my k apps
[01:15] <eilker> esben: intelikey likes to talk :)
[01:15] <cpk1> I have kopete and gaim sitting right next to each other and gaim goes white refreshing itself while kopete is fine
[01:16] <intelikey> esben if you reprove a wise man he will love you, but if you reprove a scorner all you will get is a black eye...  (proverbs of soloman)  :)
[01:16] <[cf] nightrid3r> cpk1: i have the same with thunderbird
[01:16] <[cf] nightrid3r> also nvidia card
[01:16] <esben> intelikey: ain't that the truth :)
[01:16] <intelikey> indeed.
[01:16] <Arafangion> eilker: So long as 908M is significantly more than 10% of the HDD, it should be fine.
[01:16] <cpk1> and then when I look at my monitor it will show a 100% cpu usage spike for when that happened
[01:17] <Arafangion> intelikey: I shall have to use -i :)
[01:17] <Arafangion> intelikey: But, imho, it should've been the default, as it's been the subject of so many newbie mistakes :(
[01:17] <intelikey> Arafangion and eilker the reserved percentage can be set with  e2fstune
[01:17] <[cf] nightrid3r> could be the video driver, ATI has the same problem but worst
[01:18] <Arafangion> intelikey: 10% is a _very_ good reserved percentage, imho.
[01:18] <cpk1> Arafangion: cant you just do su -
[01:18] <intelikey> Arafangion imo the default should not implement the root jr. method.
[01:18] <eilker> ahahah:) i think someone have fun with newbie eilker:P
[01:18] <cpk1> i'm using the proprietary driver
[01:18] <Arafangion> cpk1: I do when I actually want it to replace the env variables, but I much prefer sudo to su
[01:19] <intelikey> Arafangion depends on the space avalable and the expected need.    2% should be plenty
[01:19] <klaus_> hi?
[01:19] <cpk1> I used to not have a root account set up
[01:19] <cpk1> until one day sudo broke in the middle of a session
[01:19] <cpk1> klaus_: hello!
[01:19] <intelikey> Arafangion i run not standard, but i have 0% reserved.
[01:20] <cpk1> and let me tell you: if sudo breaks in the middle of a session and you dont have your root account configure oh boy
[01:20] <intelikey> cpk1 it just means a reboot.
[01:20] <Arafangion> intelikey: When you have 100% disc useage, having some reserved space is _really_ nice.
[01:20] <Arafangion> intelikey: If it's a huge disk, why not give yourself even 1%?
[01:20] <cpk1> intelikey: I very messy reboot
[01:20] <klaus_> cpk1: can you tell me how to config gtalk in kopete
[01:21] <cpk1> gtalk?
[01:21] <klaus_> cpk1: yes
[01:21] <klaus_> cpk1: jabber
[01:22] <intelikey> Arafangion why reserve space and cause a full disk situation when there is actually free space left ?     it's all in the perspective.
[01:22] <cpk1> well i dont use jabber but I'm sure all you need to do is go to configure and then accounts and click new
[01:23] <eilker> i run amarok , a small window comes says "updating database" than it closes itself and amarok, but i can run it from console as root, and by right clicking to mp3 than run with amarok
[01:23] <intelikey> Arafangion and having ubuntu installed on a 610m hdd i have ran out of disk space several times....  i know pretty much what it does and what to do about it.
[01:24] <Arafangion> intelikey: I like having a few inodes to at least make a symbolic link to assist with migration.
[01:24] <[cf] nightrid3r> intelikey: thats not a HD thats a supersized floppy
[01:24] <Arafangion> intelikey: 610MB hdd is an extreme case, though...
[01:24] <intelikey> "migration"  ?     if the disk is full only migration is to /dev/null  :)
[01:25] <georgeb> Arafangion: intelikey: I use lvm and reiser; with lvm I can resize partitions on the fly; and reiser can resize the fs online ;-)
[01:25] <cpk1> 610mb hdd... why not just use a RW cd? =P
[01:25] <Arafangion> georgeb: I prefer ext3.
[01:25] <Arafangion> georgeb: Even suze is now using ext3.
[01:25] <intelikey> cpk1 hd is faster
[01:25] <cpk1> isnt reiserfs starting to fall by the wayside?
[01:26] <eilker> "mixer cant be found " in right bottom, it was ok  before upgrade....
[01:26] <Bubba_Gump> :)
[01:26] <intelikey> cpk1 we'll see as the coart case evolves....
[01:26] <ehird> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_3D_Noah's_Ark i have da leet skillz in dis.
[01:26] <Arafangion> cpk1: reiser3 is, pretty much. I think all the attention is on version 4, depending on the court case.
[01:26] <ehird> when is it going to be ported to linux
[01:27] <Arafangion> ehird: Probably when the author realises that speed isn't everything.
[01:27] <cpk1> intelikey: not even that, the reason suse is stoping using reiserfs is because it still has a lot of problems =X
[01:27] <cpk1> and no one is really working on it
[01:28] <georgeb> Arafangion: well, after a lot of flames I saw on the net I understand that 1. reiser is better than ext3 at dealing with small files; 2. ext3 is more "robust" than reiser; but I love the online resize of reiser, and it's not like reiser is totaly messed up, just that it's more likely than ext3 to cause corruptions, anyway the situations when this could happen are still very few :)
[01:28] <eilker> i run amarok , a small window comes says "updating database" than it closes itself and amarok, but i can run it from console as root, and by right clicking to mp3 than run with amarok. by the way  , in right bottom , "mixer cant be found " , it was ok  before upgrade....
[01:28] <intelikey> cpk1 yes i know that.  but this trial can make or break reiserfs    it has brought some added attention to it.
[01:29] <Arafangion> georgeb: I'm not too happy with ext3 either, but reiser really needs to work on reliability and the rough edges.
[01:29] <cpk1> well ext4 is coming!
[01:30] <intelikey> partitionless
[01:30] <Arafangion> cpk1: An awful hack on ext3, indeed, but hopefully it'll come :)
[01:30] <Arafangion> cpk1: Personally, I'd like a clean break, with a cleanly implemented filesystem that can actually be implemented on other OS's by sane people.
[01:30] <Arafangion> (Such as BSD's and windows)
[01:30] <cpk1> windows can use ext2
[01:30] <intelikey> file recovery is nice tooo
[01:31] <Arafangion> cpk1: How well, though? :)
[01:31] <cpk1> not sure about ext3 though
[01:31] <eilker> people, from where can i get help for kubuntu , place for newbie ?
[01:31] <cpk1> probably better than linux can use ntfs
[01:31] <zorglu_> implementing one fs on top of the other allows backward compatibility, it is why they did ext3 on top of ext2 and now ext4 on top of ext3
[01:31] <Arafangion> zorglu_: That's a convoluted way of saying it.
[01:31] <klaus_> who can tell me how to configure google talk in kopete
[01:31] <Arafangion> zorglu_: ext4 isn't exactly "on top of" ext3.
[01:31] <zorglu_> eilker: suppose to be here :)
[01:32] <intelikey> cpk1 anything that can "read" ext2 can read ext3  they are the same +/- the journel
[01:32] <Arafangion> zorglu_: Depending on which design they went with, they use multiple ext3 partitions.
[01:32] <eilker> zorglu_: they r making fun with my problems:D
[01:32] <zorglu_> Arafangion: just a matter of word here
[01:32] <intelikey> zorglu_ don't you mean ext4 on top of ext2   ???
[01:33] <esben> heh, actually ext3 can do online resize apparantly since 2.6.6... I didn't know that
[01:33] <zorglu_> eilker: they should not, it is against the ubuntu code of conduct
[01:33] <zorglu_> !coc | eilker
[01:33] <ubotu> eilker: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[01:33] <zorglu_> eilker: feel free to remind them
[01:33] <Arafangion> zorglu_: Most people here are *K*ubuntu users, though ;)
[01:33] <zorglu_> intelikey: well by transitivity i gues s:)
[01:34] <Bubba_Gump> Arafangion has a point :))
[01:34] <zorglu_> Arafangion: oh he meant ubuntu as gnome ubuntu
[01:34] <zorglu_> eilker: your question are related to gnome ?
[01:34] <intelikey> zorglu_ can't ext4 still be mounted as ext2 like ext3 can ?
[01:34] <xsacha> wouldnt the new extents mess it up?
[01:34] <eilker> zorglu_: i use kde, kubuntu 6.06 dapper
[01:34] <honestpete> I'm having an issue with the rezolution after first time install of kubuntu, it's stuck @*480
[01:34] <zorglu_> intelikey: no clue, i was just repeating some basic info i got from the web, i didnt follow the matter
[01:34] <esben> intelikey: From wikipedia: The ext4 filesystem is backward compatible with ext3, that is, it can be mounted as an ext3 partition
[01:35] <xsacha> oh ok
[01:35] <zorglu_> eilker: ok, im lost
[01:35] <Arafangion> zorglu_: He's learning to use usermod, groups, access privilages, starting X11, etc.
[01:35] <zorglu_> eilker: in anycase, they should not make fun of your question
[01:35] <eilker> zorglu_: they r not offensive
[01:35] <intelikey> esben ext3 is but ext2 + journal
[01:35] <Arafangion> zorglu_: Somehow, he's managed to jump into a deep end somewhere, and he actually seems like the sort of user who may actually become a competent admin.
[01:35] <xsacha> MilhousePunkRock: laptop?
[01:36] <Bubba_Gump> milhouse: i've a laptop and the power controls are right in the lower-right
[01:36] <MilhousePunkRock> xsacha: Still...
[01:36] <zorglu_> Arafangion: ok all seems good then
[01:36] <Bubba_Gump> quite handy, i must say :D
[01:36] <zorglu_> ok am lost :)
[01:36] <xsacha> are you using a laptop?
[01:36] <eilker> arafangion: you r wrong
[01:36] <zorglu_> if all is good, im good :)
[01:36] <intelikey> eilker what was your question ?
[01:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Bubba_Gump: Guidance or KPowersave?
[01:36] <Bubba_Gump> Power Manager it says
[01:36] <eilker> arafangion: i just upgraded with adept than i had many problems
[01:36] <MilhousePunkRock> xsacha: Yes... The settings kinda vanished after the update from Dapper to Edgy
[01:36] <eilker> arafangion: i am not playing with system
[01:36] <Arafangion> eilker: Ahh, _that's_ how you jumped into the deep end :)
[01:37] <xsacha> :(
[01:37] <MilhousePunkRock> Bubba_Gump: That's Guidance then... It does not give many options to tune though...
[01:37] <cpk1> can ls list by type instead fo alphabetically?
[01:37] <xsacha> guidance-power-manager?
[01:37] <Bubba_Gump> which parts do you want to tune?
[01:37] <xsacha> in a konsole
[01:37] <eilker> intelikey: i have several problems, one of those is this, i run amarok , a small window comes says "updating database" than it closes itself and amarok, but i can run it from console as root, and by right clicking to mp3 than run with amarok. by the way  , in right bottom , "mixer cant be found " , it was ok  before upgrade....
[01:38] <Arafangion> cpk1: Unfortunately, there isn't really a concept of a file's "type".
[01:38] <xsacha> extension
[01:38] <cpk1> well list by dir then file at least
[01:38] <Arafangion> cpk1: It's part of what made Unix so good for programmers.
[01:38] <eilker> zorglu_: by the way thanx for your interest
[01:38] <MilhousePunkRock> Bubba_Gump: Well... When I press Fn-F4, it suspends, but does not wake up again properly. When I choose "suspend" from the powermanager, it suspends and resumes just fine
[01:38] <zorglu_> eilker: my pleasure
[01:38] <Arafangion> xsacha: Actually, in Unix, it's more the magic number - the extension is practically irrelevant.
[01:38] <xsacha> but can you list by extension
[01:39] <Bubba_Gump> yeah i've noticed that
[01:39] <Arafangion> xsacha: I don't believe so.
[01:39] <cpk1> and it obviously knows the difference of extensions which is what I was getting at
[01:39] <MilhousePunkRock> Arafangion: Files do not even need extensions...
[01:39] <MilhousePunkRock> Riddell: You there?
[01:39] <Arafangion> MilhousePunkRock: Thankyhou for once again providing a clearer version of what I meant :)
[01:39] <MilhousePunkRock> yw Arafangion :-D
[01:39] <xsacha> i know that, i often dont use extensions, but i'd like the ones with extensions to be sorted
[01:40] <Arafangion> xsacha: In the command line, people tend to organize files quite neatly.
[01:40] <cpk1> yes but ls and ls -h spits it out alphabetically, I would like each color to be with its own color =P
[01:40] <intelikey> eilker hmmm that would be anoying indeed.  unfortunatly you are out of my range of knowledge there.  i'm still using dapper so i don't have the same system to poke around in.  also i don't often use a gui so i'm not an amarok fan/uesr    sorry i can't help you there.
[01:40] <Arafangion> xsacha: console file useage tendencies differn considerably to gui file useage tendencies.
[01:40] <Bubba_Gump> the only files i've which have extensions are the 'designed for windows' ones which i've downloaded from webbys
[01:40] <xsacha> Arafangion: i use the console
[01:41] <Bubba_Gump> so i just change them back :)
[01:41] <cpk1> eilker: you could also ask in #amarok
[01:41] <Arafangion> xsacha: Put all your C code files into the the relevant src directory, all your html files in to their directories, etc. :)
[01:41] <xsacha> no, that won't do
[01:41] <MilhousePunkRock> eilker: A good place to start with your Amarok problem would be to disable the collection update every time it starts
[01:41] <xsacha> src directory doesn't just have .c, it also has binaries and headers and other misfits
[01:42] <eilker> <MilhousePunkRock: thanx for this info
[01:42] <Arafangion> xsacha: If you like, you could either put the binaries into another directory, or simply ignore htem.
[01:42] <eilker> <cpk1: i was thinking it is releated with os, i didnt think that software problem
[01:42] <intelikey> has .c .h READMES configs and possavly makefiles
[01:43] <Arafangion> ls *.{c,cpp,h,hpp}
[01:43] <MilhousePunkRock> eilker: Or even better, check if "user" has permission to search the folders that are included in Amarok's collection
[01:43] <xsacha> that's even worse :P
[01:43] <Arafangion> xsacha: Then write a script to sort it :)  Be a rather decent script to check out a new language, infact.
[01:43] <cpk1> so you cant make ls list differently besides alphabetically?
[01:44] <xsacha> using ls|grep c     to get all c/c++ files now, but would prefer a simple organise by extension
[01:44] <eilker> intelikey: thanx and one suggestion to all, no need to be hurry for edgy
[01:44] <zorglu_> cpk1: some --sort option exists, look at 'man ls'
[01:44] <intelikey> eilker k i'll remember that.
[01:44] <Bubba_Gump> cpk1: i can sort by type in Konq
[01:45] <xsacha> --sort=-X
[01:45] <Arafangion> xsacha: Make a script that reads all the files, extracts the ends, shoves it into a dict by extension, then iterate through the dict.
[01:45] <cpk1> ls --file-type doesnt do it which was my first gues, you can list by date but i dont want that
[01:45] <intelikey> eilker the ubuntu site seems to indicate that it's far less problematic to do a clean install of edgy than an upgrade to it....   but again i wouldn't know if that's so or not.
[01:45] <xsacha> ls -X
[01:46] <xsacha> this does it :)
[01:46] <cpk1> xsacha: cool! so much nicer to look at =)
[01:46] <cpk1> its annoying having blue and pink and white all over the place =P
[01:46] <Arafangion> Nice.
[01:46] <cpk1> now they are nice organized
[01:47] <Arafangion> Now why didn't it mention it in the man page?
[01:47] <xsacha> it did
[01:47] <xsacha> -X     sort alphabetically by entry extension
[01:47] <cpk1> it does its under --sort
[01:47] <cpk1> i must have missed that =X
[01:47] <cpk1> but hey its late for me!
[01:47] <intelikey> xsacha not sure what you are shooting for but something like   find /basedir/ -name *.{c,cpp,h,hpp} -exec file '{}' \;                might help you.
[01:49] <intelikey> again i havent kept up so that may be way off what you want.
[01:49] <xsacha> just: ls -X :)
[01:49] <intelikey> johey:  well then try ls -X    :)
[01:49] <intelikey> xsacha that is.
[01:50] <intelikey> tab completion error you know. ^
[01:50] <Arafangion> intelikey: Damn tabs!
[01:50] <xsacha> yeah.. j and x ;)
[01:51] <intelikey> no i typed oh and hit tab and got a nick...
[01:51] <xsacha> bitchX eh?
[01:51] <intelikey> that's what the version said wasn't it.
[01:52] <xsacha> :( spoofed version?
[01:52] <intelikey> no it's real.
[01:52] <intelikey> :)
[01:52] <xsacha> k
[01:52] <intelikey> could easily be tho.
[01:52] <honestpete> !rezolution
[01:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rezolution - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:52] <zorglu_> !resolution
[01:52] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:52] <honestpete> !resolution
[01:53] <zorglu_> me first :)
[01:53] <intelikey> !rez
[01:53] <xsacha> mine will say konversation/irssi or some other stupid linux irc client ;) mIRC really ;)
[01:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rez - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:53] <intelikey> hmmm that used to be set ....
[01:53] <honestpete> zorglu_: lol, i'm having probs with the rez, the only option it gives me is the 640*480
[01:54] <xsacha> i think you mean !res intelikey
[01:54] <intelikey> could be.
[01:54] <intelikey> i guess it was.  but i thought it was z
[01:55] <intelikey> and that's not the same infonode   it gave the  dpkg-recon line in it.
[01:55] <Grigorgeous> anybody knows what is the  plugin to install for opera broswer to work fine?
[01:57] <zorglu_> honestpete: i dunno, have no time to acutally help. out of the blue, check your monitor is properly configured
[01:57] <intelikey> something like   some resolution problems are caused by a misconfigured x-server, try;   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    if that is the case.
[01:57] <zorglu_> looks like default resolution on low monitor <- honestpete
[01:57] <rbrunhuber> How can i import rss feeds to akregator from firefox?
[01:57] <intelikey> that may not be word for word but it's in the neibourhood.
[01:58] <intelikey> ie
[01:58] <esben> Grigorgeous: I know nothing about Opera.. but what do you mean? Are you talking about a plugin to Opera?
[01:59] <Grigorgeous> yes a macromedia plugin
[01:59] <georgeb> rbrunhuber: in firfox2 at Edit->Preferences there's a tab where you can select an application for the feeds; never tried it though
[01:59] <esben> Grigorgeous: ok. I don't use either, sorry
[02:00] <intelikey> gun shoots, gota go
[02:00] <MilhousePunkRock> Grigorgeous: The Netscape (=Mozilla =Firefox) plugin should work fine
[02:01] <kraut> moin
[02:02] <rbrunhuber> georgeb: it does not work. akregator expects cli parameters. But even my script does not work
[02:03] <MilhousePunkRock> Grigorgeous: In case you have Fx installed and the flash-plugin, just point Opera to the location of it
[02:03] <di> does anyone know a workaround for the power saving bug? namely, when you choose to switch monitor after 1 minute, after reboot it changes to 1 hour, when choosing 2min it changes to 2 hours. thanks.
[02:04] <lish> is dapper the newest virsion ?
[02:04] <honestpete> !resolution
[02:04] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:10] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:31] <jende> !openoffice
[02:31] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org".
[02:32] <jende> which OOo vesion is the latest available for dappper? Is it 2.0.4 as like as in edgy?
[02:33] <charlie5> hi ... i'm installing edgy and at the disk partitioning stage ... i'm trying to select /dev/sda1 as the root '/', but when I hit 'continue' ... there is an error saying 'no root filesystem'
[02:33] <jende> charlie5: on sda1?
[02:34] <charlie5> jende: the error message doesn't really say ... just 'No root file system'
[02:35] <charlie5> there is not much room on the sda1, but i have selected re-format, so that shouln;t matter ?
[02:36] <jende> charlie5: did it reformat anyway?
[02:37] <charlie5> jende: no, it won't proceed any further ... maybe i need to re-format sda1 in the previous stage ...
[02:37] <charlie5> though it seems a little odd
[02:37] <jende> charlie5:yep...anyway I assume that your sda1 is a USB stick. Am I right?
[02:38] <charlie5> jende: nope :) ... its 1st partition on my main hard drive
[02:39] <jende> charlie5:don't be nervous
[02:39] <charlie5> be afraid ? ... ;-)
[02:39] <jende> charlie5: is there another freaky system installed on your hdd?
[02:39] <charlie5> ok, i'll try the re-format in the earlier stage ... thanks
[02:40] <jende> charlie5: like W$?
[02:40] <charlie5> jende: no, i'm cl;obbering my old dapper OS with edgy
[02:40] <jende> charlie5: hold on
[02:40] <jende> charlie5: I'll pastebin you the easy way
[02:40] <charlie5> jende: much obliged :)
[02:41] <jende> !paste
[02:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:41] <arriesp> ola
[02:42] <jende> charlie5: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30268/
[02:44] <charlie5> jende: thank you
[02:45] <jende> charlie5: If you proceed like that you'll be done in approx 15mins without any hassles
[02:45] <charlie5> jende: sounds great :D ... will let you know how it goes
[02:46] <jende> charlie5: cool ;-)
[02:46] <charlie5> jende: one last thing ... my current dapper is a fresh install, does it need to be updated before i do the edfy upgrade ?
[02:47] <jende> charlie5: nope
[02:48] <grayghost> I installed 6.10 bata a month ago.... is it necessary to upgrade to the final release or is that done automaticaly ?
[02:49] <charlie5> jende: cheers ... back soon
[02:55] <jende> charlie5: why is that?
[02:56] <charlie5> jende: err, could you repost your pastebin link ... i srta kinda lost it when aborting the eralier install
[02:57] <jende> charlie5: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30268/
[02:57] <charlie5> jende: thanks again ... sorry for the extra trouble
[02:58] <jende> charlie5: no worries
[03:00] <gupta> Can anybody guess why this crontab entry isn't working> 29 19 * * * locate -u -e /tmp -e /proc -e /media -e ~/.opera/cache4
[03:00] <gupta> The same command works from the shell
[03:00] <charlie5> mmm, this don't look too good ...
[03:00] <charlie5> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/Release  Unable to find expected entry  -security/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[03:01] <charlie5> suggests i try apt-get update ... i'll give it a shot
[03:02] <gupta> This crontab entry work btw > 29 19 * * * touch ~/somefile
[03:02] <sorush20> are there any child safty programs I can use to filter my internet?
[03:04] <shentey> hi! did anyone experience problems with icq functionality of kopete under kubuntu?
[03:04] <zorglu_> shentey: dont know the details but a lot of people reported issue recently
[03:05] <zorglu_> gupta: in theory it should send email to root about the result, you may check what does it say
[03:05] <zorglu_> sorush20: good question :)
[03:06] <gupta> email as in ?
[03:06] <shentey> @zorglu_: thanks for the info, i'm glad it is an issue already
[03:07] <zorglu_> gupta: ?
[03:07] <zorglu_> shentey: you may get more details on #kopete
[03:07] <sorush20> zorglu_: do you mean that you were also unable to find any such programs
[03:08] <zorglu_> sorush20: im not aware of any, but googling right now, as it is a 'good aquestion' :)
[03:08] <charlie5> there is a '-' in front of my updates and security entries as shown by adept ... is that normal ?
[03:09] <zorglu_> sorush20: http://www.pcbypaul.com/software/squid.html seems to be a free solution
[03:09] <vandenoever> i'm trying my webcam, but the image is gray, any idea on how to fix that?
[03:10] <zorglu_> sorush20: http://www.linspire.com/surfsafe_msn_compare.php <- this one is not, dont even known if it is available on ubuntu
[03:12] <zorglu_> sorush20: apparently there is nothing obvious
[03:12] <zorglu_> heard yesterday that vista a very good one tho :)
[03:12] <jende> zorglu_: have you an idea what grub error code 20 means?
[03:13] <zorglu_> 20 : Multiboot kernel must be loaded before modules This error is returned if the module load command is used before loading a Multiboot kernel. It only makes sense in this case anyway, as GRUB has no idea how to communicate the presence of such modules to a non-Multiboot-aware kernel. <- fromhttp://www.suselinuxsupport.de/wikka.php?wakka=Gruberrors
[03:14] <BluesKaj> Howdy All!
[03:14] <zorglu_> vandenoever: wild guessing, a driver issue, have you tried 'dmesg' ?
[03:15] <vandenoever> zorglu_: yes, the cam's recognized properl
[03:15] <vandenoever> pwc Registered as /dev/video0
[03:15] <zorglu_> vandenoever: have you tried different viewer ?
[03:16] <vandenoever> i tried kopete and camgrab
[03:16] <vandenoever> can't install xawtv
[03:16] <zorglu_> there are mplayer and vlc too
[03:16] <zorglu_> it is just in case one viewer init v4l differently than the other
[03:16] <vandenoever> zorglu_: i'll have a look at those
[03:17] <zorglu_> on a preivous install, i add to launch vlc twice before it got the picture
[03:17] <KennyTheFreak> Anyone knows the Mac OS X x86 project? insanenlymac.com? could anyone upload it somewhere? the torrents are slow like HELL
[03:17] <vandenoever> zorglu_: mad
[03:18] <zorglu_> KennyTheFreak: well this is offtopic, moreover this is illegal. so lets avoid discussing that here
[03:18] <KennyTheFreak> kk
[03:19] <BluesKaj> KennyTheFreak, besides, this is a Linux room ...go join a mac chat
[03:20] <KennyTheFreak> hhehe
[03:20] <KennyTheFreak> :P
[03:21] <vandenoever> zorglu_: vlc is also gray (2nd time too)
[03:22] <zorglu_> hmm no real idea
[03:22] <zorglu_> are you in the 'video' user group ?
[03:23] <zorglu_> my last idea :)
[03:23] <vandenoever> zorglu_: i think is more a driver issue, i probably need a setting
[03:23] <vandenoever> zorglu_: the signal from the cam is gray, i do have access
[03:23] <zorglu_> yep more likely, before the pwc driver came with a tool for that
[03:23] <zorglu_> i dont remember the name
[03:24] <vandenoever> pwcset, yes, i can look for that
[03:25] <vandenoever> mplayer gives me a green video ...
[03:27] <BluesKaj> anyone use quicktime in their media
[03:27] <BluesKaj> ?
[03:28] <Electrolyte> Is there any way to auto-login with Kubuntu Edgy?
[03:28] <Electrolyte> The option in System Settings has been removed since Dapper :?
[03:28] <Electrolyte> :/*
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> Electrolyte:  kdm has that option i recall.
[03:29] <Electrolyte> Ah, do I simple run kdm as root then?
[03:29] <Electrolyte> simply*
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> you may need to use that 'administrator' mode button in the kdm config tool
[03:30] <Dr_Willis> the silly admin mode button tends to get hidden on my systems due to the wundows being small. i gotto resize them to get it to be seen
[03:31] <Electrolyte> Well in User Management I can't see anything for auto-login/.
[03:32] <Dr_Willis> kcontrol --> system admin -> login manager
[03:32] <Dr_Willis> look in the right place. :)
[03:32] <Electrolyte> Didn't know kcontrol worked since Kubuntu uses something else :/
[03:32] <dude_> hi guys !
[03:32] <Dr_Willis> it does? heh - they all edit the same config fules
[03:33] <Electrolyte> Dr_Willis - yeah, but Login Manager doesn't exist in the System Settings panel.
[03:33] <Electrolyte> I'm gonna replace System Settings with KControl instead.
[03:33] <Dr_Willis> i just put that applet on the taskbar to get to stuff mainly
[03:33] <BluesKaj> Electrolyte, how?
[03:33] <Electrolyte> Change the command behind the icon :P
[03:34] <zorglu_> mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:device=/dev/video0:width=640:height=480:noaudio -vf-add pp=hb:a/vb:a,hqdn3d,mirror <- maouaou some fun with a webcam, all is in the filter :) the mirror is nice for webcam and the denoiser too :)
[03:34] <BluesKaj> which icon?
[03:34] <Electrolyte> System Settings in the KDE menu.
[03:35] <Dr_Willis> zorglu_:  i like to set my webcam where i am upside down. :)
[03:35] <BluesKaj> mthe only way I know to access kcontrol is thru the "run command"
[03:36] <Electrolyte> BluesKaj: Simple change the command on the System Settings icon in the KDE menu to "kcontrol".
[03:36] <Electrolyte> Simply*
[03:36] <mortiis> i'm having a fx 2.0 flash problem, whenever i try to view a site with flash content, it crashes and gives me "The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'"
[03:36] <zorglu_> Dr_Willis: :)
[03:36] <BluesKaj> ok Electrolyte
[03:36] <Dr_Willis> 'add applet to panel' --> 'settings' --> there ya go a nice icon/menu
[03:37] <ironfrog1y> Any idea why Konversation, after updating to edgy, is unable to connect to freenode, although irssi has no trouble? I get "[09:36]  [Error]  Connection to Server  lost: operation is not supported. Trying to reconnect." from Konversation
[03:37] <Dr_Willis> somthung i feel should be on the panel by default. ;0 along with a konsole button. heh
[03:37] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: is systemsettings pretty much the same?
[03:37] <gnomefreak> mortiis: its a known bug. there are a few workarounds for it. if you give me a minute ill see if i can find them
[03:38] <Dr_Willis> ironfrog1y:  try some different servers? they may be using different servers and having some server issues.
[03:38] <mortiis> gnomefreak, great, thanks!
[03:38] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: konsole has a panel applet i thought to the right of the little computer icon ont he left
[03:38] <BluesKaj> it is syssettings in a different form - konk
[03:38] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak:  not that ive seen.. i just had to add it for my new user i made. :)
[03:38] <ironfrog1y> Dr_Willis: im not really sure how. i dont specify any server, just irc.freenode.net and whatever rotation i get. ive tried a couple times and it should try a random server each time, no?
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> ironfrog1y:  the last few days ive beenhaving issues connecting also.. changed servers and it helped.
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> could try a single server like niven, or whatever.  on each
[03:39] <zorglu_> host irc.freenode.org <- to get a list of server
[03:40] <gnomefreak> mortiis: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/62988  theres a workaround or 2 in there
[03:40] <mortiis> gnomefreak, thanks a lot
[03:40] <gnomefreak> yw
[03:41] <gnomefreak> be back in a few
[03:43] <BluesKaj> I'd just like to put kcontrol in the kicker ..how is that done ?
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj:  just make an icon forit.
[03:44] <BluesKaj> already have sys settings in the panel
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> or use that 'settings' applet in kicker..
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> it gives shortcuts to the control-applets
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> looks like a little wrench. :0
[03:45] <Dr_Willis> and is top menu item is 'controlcenter'
[03:45] <mortiis> gnomefreak, found a workaround :)
[03:49] <wilman_> anyone using irssi?
[03:50] <wilman_> q
[03:50] <dennister> g'day all
[03:50] <BluesKaj> I use it sometimes, wilman_
[03:51] <BluesKaj> irssi works ok
[03:51] <dennister> are any edgy users in here today who have a hauppauge wintv 250 tuner working?
[03:52] <ehird> Hmm what's KDE's default font setting
[03:52] <ehird> new apps suddenly have tiny fonts
[03:52] <ehird> Using sans-serif 9pt
[03:52] <fdoving> wilman: i use irssi.
[03:53] <dennister> hi fdoving :_
[03:53] <fdoving> hi dennister.
[03:53] <ehird> hellooo
[03:53] <dennister> u have edgy, right?
[03:53] <fdoving> yes
[03:54] <BluesKaj> dennister, I'm using TVTime , due to the fact that my ATI tvwonder card runs on it
[03:54] <BluesKaj> gotta go audio direct tho
[03:55] <dennister> i'm having a problem with the latest nvidia drivers and my tuner...absolutely no distro seems to work with my tuner (pretty standard one) since nvdia removed dga support
[03:55] <ehird> it's 10pt isn't it
[03:56] <BluesKaj> dennister, i think TVTime supports nvidia
[03:57] <dennister> supposedly they all do...but no matter which tvapp i use, i get the dga error and no signal
[03:57] <BluesKaj> have you tried TVTime ?
[03:58] <dennister> it's the nvidia people's doing...lots of complaints in the nv forums...yes, i've tried tvtime
[03:58] <BluesKaj> ok
[03:58] <dennister> and xawtv, and motv, and vdr...
[03:59] <ehird> after exporting a var with bash how do i make it stick across all sessions and even on apps not launched via terminal
[04:00] <dennister> what's the kernel for edgy again?
[04:01] <dennister> !edgy
[04:01] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[04:01] <fdoving> ehird: you must restart the applications. If you want global environment variables, put them in /etc/environment
[04:01] <jende> dennister: 2.6.17
[04:02] <dennister> thx jende; I have a decision to make and am having some troubles with it
[04:02] <jende> fdoving: howdy
[04:02] <ehird> what's the /etc/enviroment syntax
[04:02] <fdoving> hi jende.
[04:02] <ehird> I need to export DEBUG_DONT_SPAWN_FETCHES=1
[04:02] <jende> dennister: what prob?
[04:02] <jende> fdoving: how are ya?
[04:03] <fdoving> ehird: VARIABLE=value
[04:03] <delusions> hi, i'm using dapper 6.06, i want to know why my system waits about 5-15 seconds while "mounting root partition", how can i learn ?
[04:03] <dennister> jende: like which installation to try next, which release, etc
[04:03] <jende> dennister: i woould give edgy a go...it's a beauty of a system
[04:03] <jende> dennister: eventhough easy to upgrade
[04:04] <jende> dennister: that's all you have to do: -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30268/
[04:04] <ehird> fdoving: do i need to restart now? >.>
[04:05] <dennister> i'll go clean install...i'm just nervous about the ivtv drivers problem...and even IF i get the ivtv drivers compiled properly there's little chance i can get the tuner working without dga support for a proper output
[04:06] <fdoving> ehird: logout should be enought. unless you need the system services to know about this variable.
[04:06] <jende> dennister: okay...with your TV prob I'm definitely noot a good helper, sorry
[04:06] <jende> noot=not
[04:06] <ehird> ig uess
[04:07] <dennister> no jende, u have helped :)
[04:07] <jende> dennister: great ;-)
[04:07] <jende> !ivtv
[04:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ivtv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:08] <jende> BluesKaj: how are ya?
[04:09] <jende> BluesKaj: !Ping
[04:10] <BluesKaj> hi jende...I'm fine , and how're you ?
[04:10] <Trollinator> does boost.org work for you?
[04:10] <BluesKaj> trying to setup quicktime
[04:10] <jende> BluesKaj: kinda dead, had to chop some trees yesterday
[04:10] <BluesKaj> bummer for the trees :(
[04:11] <jende> BluesKaj: ah well, they had to be chopped. And then again I like to have it warm in the house
[04:11] <BluesKaj> I have a large maple that will ahve to be trimmed waaaay back one of these days
[04:11] <jende> BluesKaj: esp in autumn and winter
[04:11] <BluesKaj> ahh burn wood eh ?
[04:12] <jende> BluesKaj: yep - no oil, no gas
[04:13] <dennister> omg!!! r the proper ivtv drivers compiled with edgy?
[04:14] <dennister> is looking at mythedgy docs
[04:17] <ehird> DEBUG_DONT_SPAWN_FETCHES=1
[04:18] <ehird> is there a way to get /etc/enviroment to work without logging out?
[04:18] <frank_> I'm having a strange issue: In kubuntu dapper, I'm running firefox 1.5 and mythtranscode at the same time. mythtranscode uses up all my CPU. when mythtranscode runs at nice=19, firefox is responsive and working fine. when mythtranscode runs at nice=17 (the default), firefox is so slow it's not usable. All the other programs run fine. Any ideas.
[04:18] <wilman> how to open several irc channels in irssi
[04:18] <wilman> several windows
[04:19] <ehird> wilman: it's pretty obvious
[04:19] <ehird> then /window <number>
[04:19] <ehird> err
[04:19] <ehird> /join #channel
[04:19] <ehird> then /window <number>
[04:19] <dennister> can anyone tell me if ivtv drivers are precompiled with edgy on i386?
[04:20] <wilman> ok
[04:20] <frank_> dennister: not sure... I had to compile my own in dapper. Never tried edgy
[04:21] <frank_> ... I think
[04:21] <dennister> did u ever get them working frank? I tried, but failed miserably
[04:21] <dutchy> I cant find how to add a 'show desktop' button to the panel, can anyone help me do this if it is possible?
[04:22] <frank_> dennister: yeah mine are working. what card do you have?
[04:22] <dennister> I spent days and weeks getting lamp server and desktop working, but couldn't get the ivtv drivers compiled
[04:22] <dennister> i've got a hauppauge wintv 250
[04:22] <Trollinator> Right-click on the panel and search for yourself. it's noch that hard to find.
[04:22] <Trollinator> does boost.org work for you?
[04:22] <lupine_85> is the kernel module called ivtv?
[04:23] <dennister> but i was also struggling to get em working on 64-bit system, and i think i'll try the i386 this time, if i decide to try again with edgy
[04:24] <dude_> hi guys
[04:24] <dude_> need some hepl
[04:24] <lupine_85> I can't find a module called ivtv in edgy
[04:24] <dude_> need some help
[04:24] <dennister> frank, i'm not registered
[04:24] <frank23> dennister: Yeah I had to screw around with them to get it working
[04:24] <dennister> thx lupine
[04:24] <dude_> my kaffeine won't open
[04:25] <frank23> dennister: go to  to #frank23
[04:25] <Trollinator> kaffeine sucks anyway..
[04:25] <johey> After upgrading to Edgy, Kopete doesn't want to let me log in to ICQ anymore. Is that a known problem, or is it most likely me?
[04:25] <Trollinator> johey: known bug
[04:25] <bobulatorm>  hey there im trying to get kubuntu to install on a HP pavillion. when i try and run the install CD, it just starts loading the kernel and then resets the computer. any ideas why? ta!
[04:25] <Trollinator> wait a minute, i can tell you fixed kopete pacakges.
[04:25] <johey> Trollinator: Ah oki. No current workaround?
[04:25] <dude_> Trollinator: any suggestion?
[04:26] <abattoir> bobulatorm: try booting in the 'safe mode'
[04:26] <bobulatorm> yeah tried that, same deal
[04:26] <johey> Trollinator: Ah. Oki. :)
[04:26] <Trollinator> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kopete-dapper/
[04:26] <johey> Trollinator: Is that an apt repository or should I dpkg install it?
[04:26] <abattoir> bobulatorm: wait, this is right after you hit enter, at the boot prompt?
[04:27] <Trollinator> *sigh* why don't you see for yourself`
[04:27] <bobulatorm> abattoir: after i hit enter, it starts loading the /casper/ type stuff, goes to a blank screen then resets
[04:27] <Trollinator> kmplayer is better than kaffine (IMO)
[04:27] <Trollinator> kaffeine*
[04:28] <ehird> how would I change Use A Different Mail Client to use GMail
[04:28] <abattoir> bobulatorm: hmm, media is clean, i guess you can't run the cd checker tool as well?
[04:28] <abattoir> *media is clean?
[04:28] <bobulatorm> nope :(
[04:28] <Trollinator> does boost.org work for you?
[04:28] <Bubba_Gump> is frostwire a good p2p client?
[04:28] <ehird> Bubba_Gump: no
[04:28] <fdoving> johey: that is not an apt repository. as the files will disappear once the fix is in the repositories.
[04:28] <Bubba_Gump> ehird: what is?
[04:28] <johey> Trollinator: Because I don't really know how an apt repository looks like. Thanks anyway.
[04:28] <abattoir> bobulatorm: press 'Esc', it should take you to a 'boot:' prompt
[04:29] <bobulatorm> it gets as far as "Uncompressing linux - botting the kernel" then resets
[04:29] <johey> fdoving: Oki, thanks!
[04:29] <Trollinator> johey: you owe me a favor... tell me if boost.org works for you
[04:29] <bobulatorm> yup, ok
[04:29] <abattoir> bobulatorm: i think you should enter linux and hit enter, wait i'll confirm
[04:29] <gemidjy> any1 Kaffeine 0.8.2 for dapper ?
[04:30] <johey> Trollinator: Is boost.org an apt repository? Just kidding.. Yep, I can access it via http.
[04:30] <Trollinator> damn!
[04:30] <Trollinator> lol
[04:30] <ubuntu_> nabend
[04:30] <Trollinator> it doesn't work for me :(
[04:30] <Trollinator> ubuntu_: falsche Sprache...
[04:30] <ehird> boost.org doesn't work for m
[04:30] <ehird> e
[04:30] <antonio_> hi all
[04:30] <Trollinator> hm, so it's not just me :)
[04:30] <ubuntu_> hello
[04:31] <antonio_> it's my first time here
[04:32] <Trollinator> antonio_: so... what?
[04:32] <chrivers> !kernel
[04:32] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[04:32] <abattoir> bobulatorm: this is the live cd? or the alternate one?
[04:32] <bobulatorm> live
[04:32] <ehird> where do i stop kubuntu resuming current session
[04:32] <antonio_> indeed i'm a newbie in ubuntu world
[04:32] <ehird> on bootup
[04:32] <Trollinator> antonio_: so... what?
[04:33] <chrivers> ehird: what do you mean?
[04:33] <bobulatorm> recklon i should give the alternate a go?
[04:33] <ehird> chrivers: on bootup kubuntu loads apps i had loaded
[04:33] <holibanum> its my first usage
[04:33] <chrivers> ehird: there's a "restore session on startup" option in kde
[04:33] <ehird> chrivers: but where
[04:33] <Bubba_Gump> you're right, frostwire is pretty naff
[04:33] <chrivers> ehird: you can change it in the kde control panel somewher
[04:34] <Bubba_Gump> any ideas for better file sharing?
[04:34] <holibanum> installation 90 per cent compleeted
[04:34] <ehird> chrivers: my questions was where!
[04:34] <ehird> *sigh*
[04:34] <johey> Trollinator: Guess what. Kopete now works with ICQ. :D
[04:35] <Trollinator> gee, i can't believe it.
[04:35] <Trollinator> *rolleyes* ;(
[04:35] <Trollinator> ;9
[04:35] <Trollinator> ;)
[04:35] <Trollinator> ah, dammit
[04:35] <Trollinator> i can't type :(
[04:38] <ehird> /etc/enviroment does NOT work
[04:39] <skript> I'm currently installing kubuntu... I'm at the 'prepare mount points' step...  when I use the default mount points (/media/hda1...) for NTFS partitions, the installer isn't going to erase/format them, is it ?
[04:39] <ehird> "DEBUG_DONT_SPAWN_FETCHES=1" in /etc/enviroment = mysql admin still crashes
[04:39] <ehird> but it works with export in terminal then running mysql-admin from it
[04:40] <ehird> weird works now
[04:41] <abattoir> bobulatorm: hmm, sorry, vmware is not loading up, so i can't test it... my guess is that the cd wasn't burnt properly
[04:41] <bobulatorm> ive tried it with a proper pressed one too :(
[04:41] <bobulatorm> and with a known working one
[04:41] <abattoir> bobulatorm: hmm, that's weird
[04:42] <abattoir> bobulatorm: have you tried the alternate cd?
[04:42] <abattoir> (but that loads the kernel in a similar fashion too, from what i've seen)
[04:42] <SHRIKEE> skript i believe the default formats the whole drive
[04:42] <bobulatorm> nope, downloading it now
[04:42] <bobulatorm> any other boot options?
[04:42] <bobulatorm> im guessing its a kernel thing?
[04:43] <bobulatorm> i thought linux24 was a 2.4 kernel but tis not working
[04:43] <abattoir> bobulatorm: linux24?
[04:43] <bobulatorm> as in, at the boot prompt
[04:44] <josh_> i can't play high definition wmv videos
[04:44] <zerak> do one have to disable the tvcard to get the sound to work, my sound is out and i know it some time past worked
[04:45] <BluesKaj> zerak, you shouldn't need to
[04:45] <zerak> BluesKaj i hope not, do you got any suggestion ?
[04:46] <BluesKaj> check your drivers ...have you updated your desktop (KDE) or your OS ?
[04:46] <zerak> BluesKaj i remembered that there was some command to test the sound system (there are many but a specifik program), used it yesterday and got file not found error or something
[04:47] <dude_> pls help
[04:47] <zerak> all but those who replaces other programs, i have to tell it to replace but havent done so since i dont know what i would be doing
[04:48] <BluesKaj> check Kmix , make sure it's installed
[04:48] <bayer> is there a way to verify all packages on my system - similar to rpm -V ?
[04:49] <zerak> got it right down there in the corner, it shows 2 kinds, the soundblaster live 24 or as it say ca0106
[04:49] <dude_> pls help me on my kaffeine player
[04:49] <zerak> and another
[04:50] <josh_> ok i'm going to go install windows xp
[04:50] <josh_> cuz vista is good, but bad for gaming
[04:50] <dude_> abattoir: are you busy?
[04:50] <josh_> how do i reinstall grub?
[04:50] <BluesKaj> soundblaster is your soundcard ...kmix is the program that controls the sound volume and inputs
[04:50] <abattoir> dude_: why?
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> !grub
[04:50] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:51] <dude_> abattoir: kaffeine is busted, it won't open
[04:51] <BluesKaj> !Kmix
[04:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Kmix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:51] <josh_> thanks
[04:51] <zerak> i know, but alsa use CA0106 as the name for  <=> soundblaster live! 24 bit
[04:51] <BluesKaj> KMix
[04:51] <BluesKaj> !KMix
[04:51] <zerak> and Kmix shows the information that alsa tells it
[04:51] <abattoir> dude_: what did you do when it last ran? was it closed properly?
[04:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about KMix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:51] <NicksteLAptop> Hey all
[04:51] <abattoir> dude_: try 'killall kaffeine', tell me if there is any output in a terminal
[04:52] <NicksteLAptop> Can one compile code from the live cd?
[04:52] <dude_> abattoir: nothing, i just played a video then closed it
[04:52] <apokryphos> !anyone
[04:52] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:52] <abattoir> NicksteLAptop: sure, but you'll need to install extra packages
[04:52] <NicksteLAptop> such as?
[04:52] <apokryphos> NicksteLAptop: check the FAQ
[04:52] <abattoir> NicksteLAptop: what are you trying to compile?
[04:52] <Bubba_Gump> :)
[04:52] <dude_> abattoir: no output
[04:52] <NicksteLAptop> kismit  :)
[04:52] <vandenoever> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[04:52] <vandenoever>  'Kubuntu 6.10 _Edgy Eft_ - Release i386 (20061025)'
[04:52] <vandenoever> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[04:53] <vandenoever> how can i avoid this?
[04:53] <abattoir> dude_: hmm, then it isn't running, try 'kaffeine' in a terminal... see what it says
[04:53] <apokryphos> vandenoever: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the CD line
[04:53] <apokryphos> vandenoever: then save it, and sudo apt-get update
[04:54] <vandenoever> apokryphos: thanks!
[04:54] <abattoir> NicksteLAptop: you mean kismEt?
[04:54] <joserocha> I'm trying tou use the Java EE package. But I'm having problems in execute update-java-alternative. Could someone help me? I'm using kubuntu edgy.
[04:54] <NicksteLAptop> that one! :)
[04:54] <abattoir> NicksteLAptop: install build-essential
[04:54] <dude_> abattoir: its running : ), what happened?
[04:54] <NicksteLAptop> abattoir: what is build-essential?
[04:55] <georgeb> joserocha: try running sudo update-alternatives --config java
[04:55] <abattoir> NicksteLAptop: it's a meta package which pulls down the most common stuff needed for compiling packages...make sure you have additional kismet dependencies, if any, installed
[04:55] <abattoir> !b-e | NicksteLAptop
[04:55] <ubotu> NicksteLAptop: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:55] <zerak> I thought Edgy was a sharp version, seems more as a beta
[04:55] <josh_> yeah really eh
[04:55] <kuto2> hmm odd when one is better than the other
[04:55] <dude_> abattoir: its running : ), what happened?
[04:55] <zerak> dapper gave me network problem, edgy gives sound problem
[04:55] <josh_> i was gonna go amd64 too
[04:56] <josh_> that would have been a mistake
[04:56] <abattoir> dude_: close it, and try launching it from kmenu(or wherever you were trying to launch it from before), see if it works from there now
[04:57] <dude_> abattoir: ya, its working, but what happened?
[04:57] <abattoir> dude_: don't know ;)
[04:57] <dude_> abattoir: ok, thanks
[04:57] <abattoir> dude_: could be PEBKAC too ;)
[04:57] <kuto2> kde icons are cool
[04:57] <kuto2> atleast in my version
[04:58] <Th3_Cr0up13R> hey guys, whats a valid theme type coz my files are gone quite small and the description is gone white and i cannot see anythin what they are called
[04:58] <Th3_Cr0up13R> i nee to change this in order to do some work
[04:58] <kuto2> how do i beryl in kde?
[04:58] <dude_> abattoir: PEBKAC
[04:58] <abattoir> Th3_Cr0up13R: there are different 'themes types' what do you exactly mean?
[04:59] <abattoir> !beryl | kuto2
[04:59] <ubotu> kuto2: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/  -  Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl.
[04:59] <Th3_Cr0up13R>  i mean i tried to change the theme from what i already got
[04:59] <Th3_Cr0up13R> well , the exact actions were
[04:59] <Th3_Cr0up13R> i donwloaded some themes from kde-look
[04:59] <abattoir> Th3_Cr0up13R: you want to switch back to the default one?
[05:00] <joserocha> I tried. But I didn't install the java-sun by the apt-get. I had installed the sun package for EE earlier. Do I have to install the java-sun anyway? Cannot I use the earlier installation?
[05:00] <Th3_Cr0up13R> unziped them to a folder
[05:00] <abattoir> Th3_Cr0up13R: which 'theme' is this exactly, kde can be 'themed' in a lot of ways
[05:00] <Th3_Cr0up13R> system settings/appearence/
[05:00] <dude_> abattoir: can you pls look at this error, im always getting this message when im using terminal http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30281/
[05:00] <kuto2> brb
[05:00] <Th3_Cr0up13R> well im on default oo
[05:00] <vandenoever> is there a package i need to compile stuff with cmake? i've already build-essentials
[05:00] <Th3_Cr0up13R> now
[05:01] <Th3_Cr0up13R> but its still the same
[05:01] <Th3_Cr0up13R> the names on the files are white
[05:01] <abattoir> !baddevice | dude_
[05:01] <ubotu> dude_: If you are getting errors similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", then please read this page: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[05:01] <Th3_Cr0up13R> cannot see any of it the background is white
[05:01] <abattoir> Th3_Cr0up13R: you'd need to change the colours then, choose the colours module
[05:02] <abattoir> Th3_Cr0up13R: it'd be helpful if you actually say which 'theme', or give me a link
[05:02] <dude_> abattoir: k copy, tnx
[05:02] <skript> great... looks like im gonna have to dload the 'alternate install cd' JUST because i don't want grub in my MBR... one *simple* option missing and I'm forced to downloading a whole new iso image... :(
[05:02] <vandenoever> Riddell: is there a package i need to compile stuff with cmake? i've already build-essentials
[05:03] <georgeb> Th3_Cr0up13R: Kmenu -> Settings -> Appearance -> Colours and play around :)
[05:03] <abattoir> !info cmake
[05:03] <ubotu> cmake: A cross-platform, open-source make system. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4.3-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 4980 kB, installed size 12028 kB
[05:03] <abattoir> vandenoever: ^^^ ??
[05:03] <vandenoever> abattoir: yes, i've installed it
[05:03] <vandenoever> but cmake tells me
[05:04] <vandenoever> MESSAGE The C compiler "gcc" is not able to compile a simple test program.
[05:04] <vandenoever> It fails with the following output:
[05:04] <vandenoever>  make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[05:04] <Th3_Cr0up13R> The theme is the kde-default
[05:04] <vandenoever> i do have gcc and g++
[05:04] <Th3_Cr0up13R> the blue and white one
[05:04] <Th3_Cr0up13R> well the color scheme is the kde default
[05:04] <loran> where is grub to be installed
[05:05] <dude_> abattoir: i dont wanna edit my xorg
[05:05] <dude_> :)
[05:05] <abattoir> dude_: it's nothing major, you can just ignore that error
[05:05] <dude_> abattoir: it might crash again :)
[05:06] <Th3_Cr0up13R> as for the theme it doesnt matter which one i use it will still not change
[05:06] <Th3_Cr0up13R> i changed the colors
[05:06] <abattoir> vandenoever: sorry, try asking at #kubuntu-devel maybe someone there can answer you, if they are around
[05:06] <Th3_Cr0up13R> but it still doesnt ork
[05:06] <vandenoever> abattoir: ok, thanks
[05:06] <dude_> abattoir: so whats that error message?
[05:07] <abattoir> dude_: no, the X error is completely unrelated to kaffeine not starting, X looks for a Wacom device (a tablet), since it can't find it, it complains
[05:07] <loran> i'm installing kubuntu edgy and need to know where to install grub
[05:07] <josh_> it installs by itself
[05:07] <dude_> abattoir: ohh ok...:) tnx
[05:07] <abattoir> dude_: as i said, you can edit xorg.conf if you don't want to see it, but you can safely ignore it too
[05:08] <dude_> abattoir: k
[05:08] <abattoir> loran: do you have other operating systems?
[05:08] <loran> no
[05:08] <abattoir> loran: then on the MBR
[05:08] <dude_> abattoir: how many distro are you using?
[05:08] <loran> i took xp off
[05:08] <abattoir> dude_: only kubuntu, i386 and amd64
[05:09] <loran> grub to be installed to hd0 is this correct?
[05:09] <dude_> abattoir: have you tried suse
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> well if not for a misbehaving pci port the sound card was plugged into, my 7 yr old's install of kubuntu would have went pretty flawles.
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> s/flawles/flawless
[05:11] <abattoir> loran: yes, that's correct
[05:11] <abattoir> dude_: yes, i have
[05:11] <loran> i tried that and it didn't work
[05:11] <loran> i formatted the drive using the install formatter
[05:12] <abattoir> loran: you are using the alternate cd right?
[05:12] <loran> live cd
[05:12] <abattoir> loran: hmm, what other options are there?
[05:13] <marco> anybody can help me?
[05:13] <marco> how can I put the cd-rom drive in my repositories?
[05:13] <loran> you can click on the blue underlined text that says (hd0) and change the location but I don't know where to
[05:14] <abattoir> marco: put the cdrom into the drive and run 'apt-cdrom add' in a terminal
[05:14] <marco> and that will add it automatically to my repositories?
[05:14] <abattoir> loran: what is the disk layout, what are the other partitions?
[05:14] <abattoir> marco: yes, it'll scan the cd for packages and add it to sources.list
[05:15] <ricanelite> Hello all!!! I'm using Edgy and where can I get gnuetlla, I think thats how you spell it
[05:15] <marco> ok
[05:15] <abattoir> marco: 'man apt-cdrom' should give you more info
[05:15] <marco> I try now
[05:15] <abattoir> ricanelite: you want a 'client' for gnutella?
[05:15] <abattoir> !apollon
[05:15] <ubotu> apollon: KDE-based interface to the giFT file-sharing system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-5 (edgy), package size 444 kB, installed size 1668 kB
[05:15] <loran> There are 3 partitions and they were all formatted
[05:15] <ricanelite> I use to use gnetellas
[05:15] <ricanelite> i guess a client
[05:15] <abattoir> ricanelite: try apollon
[05:16] <kuto2> adept is cool
[05:16] <ricanelite> where can I download it from?
[05:16] <abattoir> ricanelite: it is a client for gnutella(limewire), FastTrack(Kazaa) and OpenFT
[05:16] <abattoir> ricanelite: first enable universe(and multiverse)
[05:16] <abattoir> !universe | ricanelite
[05:16] <ubotu> ricanelite: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:16] <borja> hi
[05:16] <borja> when i sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop i get a black screen
[05:16] <borja> and cannot do anything
[05:16] <abattoir> ricanelite: then search for apollon in adept, and install it
[05:17] <borja> nothing
[05:17] <borja> im trying to install the nvidia beta drivers
[05:17] <borja> but cannot stop kdm and type
[05:17] <borja> anny suggestions?
[05:17] <kuto2> how do i enable xgl guys
[05:17] <abattoir> !xgl | kuto2
[05:17] <ubotu> kuto2: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:18] <ricanelite> alright thanks alot
[05:18] <loran> hda1 hda2 and hda5
[05:18] <abattoir> borja: have you tried switching to another virtual terminal?
[05:18] <marco> no
[05:18] <marco> it deoesen't worl
[05:18] <marco> work
[05:18] <ricanelite> what is your thoughts on Edgy??
[05:19] <marco> it doesen't add my cd rom drive to the repos
[05:19] <marco> I need to install the newest version of Openoffice on my computer
[05:19] <abattoir> loran: hmm, do you want to try installing it manually?
[05:19] <marco> but I cannot
[05:19] <borja> abattoir: whats that
[05:19] <borja> ctrl alt f1?
[05:19] <abattoir> borja: what's what?
[05:19] <marco> well, if I try apt-get it gives me some error
[05:19] <loran> yes but i don't understand some terms
[05:19] <abattoir> borja: oh yeah, yes
[05:19] <marco> like the package is incomplete
[05:19] <abattoir> borja: tried that?
[05:20] <borja> ill try it now
[05:20] <borja> ill come back and tell u the result
[05:20] <borja> thanks
[05:20] <abattoir> marco: did you run apt-get update?
[05:20] <marco> and if I try from adept it breapks
[05:20] <marco> yes
[05:20] <marco> of course
[05:20] <marco> nothing changed
[05:21] <marco> I can try downloading the .tar file from the website but once unzipped all I get is a bunch of .rdm files
[05:21] <marco> or something like that
[05:21] <abattoir> marco: is there a new entry in sources.list?
[05:21] <marco> no
[05:21] <marco> no new entries
[05:21] <abattoir> marco: did you run it w/ sudo?
[05:21] <marco> yes
[05:22] <dude_> abottoir: new error message, i already fixed the 168 error, now its 169 - X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[05:22] <abattoir> dude_: both are similar...
[05:22] <abattoir> dude_: same cause
[05:22] <marco> I try to add this to my repos deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 6.06.1 _Dapper Drake_ - Release i386 (20060806.1)] / dapper main restricted
[05:23] <mc__> how to set up static networking?
[05:23] <marco> what do u think?
[05:23] <ehird> how do you make a symlink
[05:23] <ricanelite> okay, I just finish installing Apollon and when I open it up it says Where is your giFT?
[05:23] <abattoir> marco: sure, if it doesn't work you can always remove it
[05:23] <mc__> ehird: ln -s source target
[05:24] <mc__> ricanelite: sudo apt-get install gift
[05:24] <ricanelite> thank you
[05:24] <marco> no
[05:24] <abattoir> ricanelite: gift wasn't installed?
[05:24] <marco> it still doesen't let me install openoffice
[05:25] <georgeb> marco: what's the error ?
[05:25] <teller> hi
[05:25] <marco> it breaks in adept, like there is a crash in the language support and the files
[05:25] <marco> and apt-get says the same
[05:26] <SHRIKEE> bugger
[05:26] <abattoir> marco: wait, let me try
[05:26] <ricanelite> nah it install
[05:26] <ricanelite> now Apollon is open and it is trying to establish a connection
[05:26] <abattoir> ricanelite: make sure you have gift plugins installed too
[05:26] <teller> Konqueror doesn't seem to work with Google maps.
[05:26] <teller> Does anyone know of a workaround ?
[05:26] <ricanelite> where can I check for that?
[05:26] <abattoir> ricanelite: gnutella plugin was installed?
[05:27] <ricanelite> I have to see?
[05:27] <ricanelite> Where can I check that out?
[05:27] <abattoir> teller: try changin the User Agent to Firefox
[05:27] <abattoir> ricanelite: does it say Gnutella next to OpenFT ?
[05:27] <georgeb> marco: try sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update ; and try to install after that
[05:27] <abattoir> ricanelite: in the main 'Connection' window(iirc)
[05:27] <marco> what does sudo apt-get clean does?
[05:28] <linuxcore> ciao a tutti
[05:28] <linuxcore> qualcuno pu darmi una mano?
[05:28] <georgeb> marco: clean  clears  out  the  local  repository  of  retrieved  package  files
[05:28] <loca|host> I want to install a free internet navigation computer, i would like to only get firefox and a cups configuration for a local printer in it, nothing else, what do you suggest me ?
[05:28] <ricanelite> I just finish installing Gift, and when I open Apollon again i get the same message could not locate your gift please select the path to your gift like /.../share/gift
[05:28] <abattoir> !it
[05:28] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:29] <linuxcore> grazie
[05:29] <linuxcore> good evenig
[05:29] <abattoir> prego
[05:29] <ricanelite> and if I click on Okay and then a window opens that is select folder
[05:29] <linuxcore> thank's
[05:29] <abattoir> ricanelite: close apollon
[05:30] <abattoir> ricanelite: and run gift-setup in a terminal(konsole)
[05:30] <ricanelite> okay
[05:30] <abattoir> ricanelite: choose the default for most options(except the first one)
[05:30] <teller> abattoir: thanks, I'll do that
[05:30] <ricanelite> type sudo run gift-setup
[05:30] <abattoir> teller: wait, what did i tell you? :P
[05:30] <abattoir> teller: oh the UA fix ok
[05:31] <abattoir> ricanelite: not sure if sudo is necessary
[05:31] <teller> abattoir: the UA fix doesn't work, I'm afraid.
[05:31] <marco> still nothing
[05:31] <abattoir> teller: it works fine here in 3.5.5
[05:31] <teller> I still have some error message about the zoom level being wrong (which it isn't.
[05:31] <teller> abattoir: I'll check my version
[05:31] <teller> abattoir: I have 3.5.2
[05:32] <marco> conflict with the files language-support-en and language-support-us
[05:32] <abattoir> teller: i think it should work there as well
[05:32] <marco> which I cannot cancel
[05:32] <ricanelite> ok
[05:33] <ricanelite> which one i select? it says /main/setup [0]  and the default : 0
[05:33] <jeroenvrp> how to hide or disable the 'hibernate computer' button, when I log off in kde?
[05:33] <marco> georgeb....what should I do now?
[05:33] <Shan`> how do i shut down X?
[05:33] <marco> can I install it manually?
[05:34] <Shan`> thru console?
[05:34] <georgeb> marco: what exactly do you want to install ? what package do you select ?
[05:34] <jeroenvrp> Shan`: sudo /etc/init.d kdm stop[
[05:34] <jeroenvrp> Shan`: sudo /etc/init.d kdm stop
[05:35] <Shan`> thanx
[05:35] <marco> openoffice.org
[05:35] <Bubba_Gump> :))
[05:35] <marco> I know there is a downloadable .tar file on the website
[05:35] <marco> but once I open it there is just a bunch of Rdm or something like that files
[05:35] <marco> no .deb files or anything
[05:36] <georgeb> marco: rpm=redhat packet manager; same as debs but mainly for RH systems (other distros can also use them)
[05:36] <marco> rpm files
[05:36] <georgeb> marco: can you paste the full output ?
[05:36] <georgeb> !paste
[05:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:37] <marco> the full output of what?
[05:37] <ricanelite> i think the servers might be down, because im assuming i have everything right for Apollon but it is still not connecting
[05:37] <Shan`> i just installed BitchX using Adept
[05:37] <ricanelite> and im trying to head over to the gift site and the website is not coming up
[05:38] <Shan`> where does it install it?
[05:38] <dude_> what is this error message:? /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 : : No such file or directory
[05:38] <georgeb> marco: of sudo apt-get install openoffice.org
[05:38] <abattoir> Shan`: you mean in the menu?
[05:38] <Shan`> no
[05:38] <Shan`> if i need to launch it thru console
[05:39] <marco> Lettura della lista dei pacchetti in corso... Fatto
[05:39] <abattoir> bitchx doesn't work?
[05:39] <marco> Generazione dell'albero delle dipendenze in corso... Fatto
[05:39] <marco> Alcuni pacchetti non possono essere installati. Questo pu voler
[05:39] <lupine_85> !it
[05:39] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:39] <marco> dire che  stata richiesta una situazione impossibile oppure, se
[05:39] <marco> si sta usando la distribuzione "unstable", che alcuni pacchetti
[05:39] <dude_> abattoir: QLayout "unnamed" added to QWidget "unnamed", which already has a layout <--- what is this?
[05:39] <marco> richiesti non sono ancora stati creati o rimossi da incoming.
[05:39] <marco> Poich  stata richiesta solo una singola operazione  molto facile che
[05:39] <abattoir> dude_: where do you get it?
[05:39] <marco> il pacchetto semplicemente non sia installabile, si consiglia
[05:39] <marco> di inviare un "bug report" per tale pacchetto.
[05:39] <marco> Le seguenti informazioni possono aiutare a risolvere la situazione:
[05:39] <abattoir> Shan`: bitchx in a terminal doesn't work?
[05:40] <marco> I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte:
[05:40] <marco>   openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb: Dipende: openoffice.org-common (>= 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 sta per essere installato oppure
[05:40] <abattoir> !paste | marco
[05:40] <ubotu> marco: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:40] <marco>                                       language-support-en ma non sta per essere installato
[05:40] <Shan`> jeroenvrp sudo /etc/init.d kdm stop = command not found
[05:40] <dude_> abattoir: every time i run an application
[05:40] <marco>                              Va in conflitto: openoffice.org-core (< 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 sta per essere installato
[05:40] <marco>   openoffice.org-l10n-en-us: Dipende: openoffice.org-common (>= 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 sta per essere installato oppure
[05:40] <marco>                                       language-support-en ma non sta per essere installato
[05:40] <marco>                              Va in conflitto: openoffice.org-core (< 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 sta per essere installato
[05:40] <marco>   openoffice.org-l10n-en-za: Dipende: openoffice.org-common (>= 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 sta per essere installato oppure
[05:40] <marco>                                       language-support-en ma non sta per essere installato
[05:40] <marco>                              Va in conflitto: openoffice.org-core (< 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 sta per essere installato
[05:40] <marco>   openoffice.org-l10n-ko: Va in conflitto: openoffice.org-core (< 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 sta per essere installato
[05:40] <abattoir> Shan`: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[05:40] <marco> E: Pacchetto non integro
[05:40] <abattoir> !ops
[05:40] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
[05:40] <apokryphos> marco: please do not paste in the channel, use a pastebin service.
[05:40] <abattoir> marco: please don't paste here
[05:41] <jeroenvrp> Shan`: when you do a ls /etc/init.d > is there something there
[05:41] <marco> ok, sorry
[05:41] <marco> where u want me to paste it
[05:41] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Sorry, just walked up to the computer
[05:41] <apokryphos> !pastebin
[05:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:41] <abattoir> Shan`: there is no space b/w init.d and kdm, there is a /
[05:41] <Hawkwind> marco: pastebin
[05:41] <marco> I can give u my hotmail account so we can chat there
[05:41] <dude_> abattoir: every time i run an application, i get this error, i already fixed 168 an 169 error: "/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 : : No such file or directory, QLayout "unnamed" added to QWidget "unnamed", which already has a layout
[05:41] <abattoir> Hawkwind: no problem, he wasn't causing any trouble, but was flooding a lot :(
[05:41] <marco> don't know how to use pastebin
[05:41] <Shan`> kk
[05:41] <marco> :(
[05:42] <apokryphos> marco: go to the link above
[05:42] <apokryphos> post your paste there, and then produce the link in here
[05:42] <Shan`> thanx abattoir
[05:42] <teller> abattoir: ok, I'll make do with FF in the meantime, thanks
[05:42] <abattoir> dude_: where do you get that?
[05:42] <abattoir> teller: ok :(
[05:42] <dude_> abattoir: every time i run an application in the console
[05:43] <abattoir> dude_: hmm, it could be harmless... did you get those before?
[05:43] <marco> ok, pasted...and now?
[05:43] <abattoir> marco: give the link here
[05:43] <abattoir> marco: and most probably, few of us would understand it
[05:43] <marco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30285/
[05:43] <marco> I can translate for u
[05:43] <dude_> abattoir: just a few days ago
[05:44] <marco> I am deeply sorry with everybody, I didn't know about pastebin.... :( excuse me...
[05:44] <abattoir> marco: no problem :)
[05:44] <marco> thx
[05:44] <abattoir> dude_: you can ignore it if it isn't causing any issues
[05:45] <Hawkwind> marco: No worries.  We all did it at some point and didn't know either.  Now you know :)
[05:45] <dude_> abattoir: ok,
[05:45] <dude_> abattoir: it just annoys me.. :)
[05:45] <abattoir> dude_: try running amarok in a terminal ;)
[05:45] <noelvisagie> hello all
[05:46] <dude_> abattoir: no error
[05:46] <abattoir> dude_: no, i meant the flood of output you get ;)
[05:47] <dude_> abattoir: when i run amarok, there's no error but when i run kaffeine, it gives me that message
[05:48] <f> salut
[05:48] <f> hi
[05:48] <f> i just installed kubuntu on a computer of a friend, i can't get amarok playing music
[05:49] <abattoir> dude_: just checked, i get it too, so it's either a problem w/ the packaging, or w/ the coding, i suspect the latter... not much you can do ;)
[05:49] <abattoir> f: mp3?
[05:49] <georgeb> marco: there's a problem with the repo; on the cd you have version 2.0.2: openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb: Dipende: openoffice.org-common (>= 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1
[05:49] <josh_> !grub
[05:49] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:49] <marco> so? what I have to do?
[05:49] <abattoir> f: or any music at all?
[05:49] <f> ok forgot, now we have sound...
[05:49] <dude_> abattoir: i'll just close my eyes everytime i run kaffeine hehehe : )
[05:49] <f> but we haven't mp3
[05:50] <marco> any solution dor that?
[05:50] <georgeb> marco: use the pastebin to paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list ; you should setup a online repository
[05:50] <abattoir> dude_: or run it from a menu, katapult is nice :)
[05:50] <georgeb> marco: in the repos there is version 2.0.4 of OOo
[05:50] <georgeb> !repo
[05:50] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:51] <f> i installed dapper, how can i get amarok playing mp3s ?
[05:51] <dude_> abattoir: katapult? how do i use that?
[05:51] <Hawkwind> !mp3 | MsK`
[05:51] <ubotu> MsK`: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:52] <abattoir> MsK`: enable universe/multiverse, and get libxine-extracodecs
[05:52] <MsK`> ok
[05:52] <abattoir> MsK`: ^^^follow those links
[05:52] <abattoir> dude_: hit Alt+Space
[05:52] <abattoir> !katapult | dude_
[05:52] <ubotu> dude_: katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[05:54] <marco> ok nearly done
[05:54] <marco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30286/
[05:54] <dude_> abattoir: when i hit alt+f2 it show a run command, so what is the purpose of alt+space?
[05:55] <arriesp_> bye people, go jogging
[05:55] <abattoir> dude_: it's a more 'friendly' and better-looking replacement
[05:55] <abattoir> dude_: and Alt+F2 can't do amarok playlists ;)
[05:55] <Shan`> i'm trying to install NVidia drivers and its     giving an error Unable to find          "ld"
[05:56] <Shan`> ??
[05:56] <dude_> abattoir: alt+space?
[05:56] <abattoir> dude_: yes, katapult
[05:56] <georgeb> marco: so, you're on dapper ?
[05:56] <dude_> abattoir: just shows the logo of katapult
[05:56] <marco> yes
[05:56] <Shan`> anyone?
[05:56] <abattoir> dude_: type something, kaffeine, for eg.
[05:57] <Raul12> i have .deb files in a the apt folder how to install them all at a time ...... ????
[05:57] <marco> actually I don't care to have the extra mega newest version of openoffice
[05:57] <marco> before I had the 2.0.3 and it was perfect for me
[05:57] <marco> I just want it back again
[05:57] <marco> even 2.0.2 or 2.0.4 are ok
[05:57] <marco> I mean
[05:57] <marco> I just need openoffice
[05:57] <dude_> abattoir: ohhh, thats nice....cool, alt+f2 and alt+space are almost the same
[05:58] <Raul12> is it  dpkg -i <folder name> *.*.deb    ?????
[05:58] <abattoir> dude_: you can perform calculations too
[05:58] <marco> I have lotsa very important documents i cannot read now
[05:59] <dude_> abattoir: in katapult?
[05:59] <Raul12> pls help ...
[05:59] <xunix> nice katapult :D
[05:59] <abattoir> Raul12: 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' doesn't wok?
[05:59] <abattoir> *work
[05:59] <dude_> abattoir: that was cool !
[05:59] <abattoir> dude_: in both, actually
[05:59] <marco> I have just downloaded the .tar files of openoffice 2.0.4
[05:59] <marco> I can download the 2.0.3
[05:59] <Raul12> k
[05:59] <Raul12> tryin that
[05:59] <marco> but pls tell me how to make it work and install
[06:00] <dude_> abattoir: life is easy ... hehehe
[06:01] <dude_> abattoir: is there a luncher for mp3's? : )
[06:01] <abattoir> dude_: thank Mez, the next time you see him here, he'll appreciate it
[06:01] <Raul12> ya
[06:01] <abattoir> dude_: sure, katapult does that as well
[06:01] <Raul12> amarok
[06:01] <abattoir> dude_: try entering the name of a playlist/song
[06:01] <dude_> abattoir: really?
[06:01] <dude_> abattoir: ok, i'll try
[06:01] <abattoir> dude_: tbh, it's not very consistent here, but it works
[06:01] <abattoir> dude_: http://wiki.thekatapult.org.uk/Home should give you more info
[06:04] <loran> GRUB hard disk error after install...what to do?
[06:04] <georgeb> marco: do you have any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
[06:05] <MsK`> in amarok, xine tells us that it cannot initialize audio device/driver, but when i told you that before, it started playing, dunno why...
[06:06] <georgeb> marco: also, comment the first line (the one with cd-rom) from /etc/apt/sources.list by putting a # as the first character on the line
[06:07] <MsK`> no idea to solve that ? :/
[06:07] <marco> no files in that directory
[06:08] <georgeb> marco: ok, now comment the line with cdrom; and run sudo apt-get update
[06:08] <georgeb> marco: and paste the output on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[06:08] <marco> ok done
[06:10] <georgeb> marco: also paste the output from dpkg -l openoffice*
[06:10] <loran> GRUB hard disk error after install..does anyone know how to solve this problem?
[06:10] <mc__|umbauen> how to tell apollon which ports to use?
[06:10] <marco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30289/
[06:10] <dude_> abattoir: it seems that its not working
[06:12] <dude_> abattoir: you mean to say, i can lunch a song in katapult?
[06:12] <marco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30290/
[06:14] <binarystar> hi
[06:15] <dude_> abattoir: you there?
[06:16] <loran> is this moral support or technical support?
[06:16] <georgeb> marco: try sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org and sudo apt-get check and paste the output
[06:16] <BluesKaj> ppl here do their best ... mostly software support
[06:16] <dude_> abattoir: are you busy?
[06:18] <marco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30291/
[06:19] <yacoob> All flash movies have a/v desynchronization. Is this a known bug?
[06:20] <TehUni> i used mdadm to create a raid1 array and it worked perfectly. then i rebooted and the set is gone! i've tried remounting it but it said md0 doesn't exist. how can i make it persist through reboots? (not my boot drive, btw)
[06:20] <georgeb> marco: you have half of openoffice installed :) open adept-manager and remove all installed packages starting with openoffice.org ; then install it again
[06:21] <marco> I tried
[06:21] <georgeb> marco: I think there's a package that is not compatible with the new version and this is why you can't install it; ie: Korean help for OpenOffice.org
[06:21] <marco> but it makes an error
[06:21] <marco> I cannot uninstall it from adept
[06:22] <marco> it says there is an error
[06:22] <BluesKaj> broken pkgs?
[06:22] <marco> can I uninstall it from konsole?
[06:22] <neosa-chris> ya
[06:22] <marco> how?
[06:22] <neosa-chris> sudo apt-get remove openoffice2 or somethin like that
[06:23] <soulrider> hi everyone
[06:23] <neosa-chris> sup
[06:23] <pacou> marco: i had to remove the language packages (openoffice-l10n*) first, to be able to remove openofficeee
[06:23] <soulrider> is it me or there havnt been any updates for edgy sicne it was rleeased ?
[06:23] <pacou> -ee
[06:23] <neosa-chris> naw there are
[06:23] <neosa-chris> go into system
[06:23] <georgeb> marco: you can try sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org-l10n*
[06:23] <neosa-chris> administration
[06:23] <neosa-chris> sofware sources
[06:24] <neosa-chris> and check all the boxes
[06:24] <neosa-chris> you'll get a few new updates
[06:24] <soulrider> i do sudo apt-get update and i dont get any updates
[06:24] <neosa-chris> :-)
[06:24] <soulrider> and yes, multiverse and universe is enabled :P
[06:24] <neosa-chris> naw sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:24] <marco> ther is an openoffice directory with 4 dictionary files on in my /etc/ directory ...have I got to remove it?
[06:24] <cauro> hey got a question about skype, mi micro does not seem to work with skype
[06:24] <georgeb> marco: also sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org-help*
[06:24] <soulrider> first i gotta update to see if there are any
[06:24] <cauro> anyone know why?
[06:24] <tictric> Hi, in edgy mounting of usb-sticks doesn't work like it did in dapper any longer. Even though I gave it a different mountpoint under properties -> mountpoint it
[06:24] <soulrider> then dist-upgrade
[06:24] <soulrider> tictric: works for me =/
[06:24] <tictric> it's using it's own joice of name
[06:24] <georgeb> marco: nope.. they are managed by apt-get
[06:25] <tictric> soulrider: I want it to mount as /media/fred but it keeps mounting as /media/usbdisk
[06:25] <soulrider> uhm
[06:25] <soulrider> maybe you need to add it to fstab
[06:25] <soulrider> im not sure
[06:25] <soulrider> or
[06:25] <marco> ok I am trying
[06:25] <soulrider> you can unmount it manually
[06:26] <soulrider> and mount it manually
[06:26] <soulrider> then maybe it will get auto mounted to /media/fred
[06:26] <marco> I have similar directories in usr/lib/ and usr/share/fonts
[06:27] <marco> ok it removed these files...
[06:27] <marco> now?
[06:27] <georgeb> marco: don't worry about those directories; the files from there are managed by apt-get
[06:27] <georgeb> marco: try sudo apt-get install openoffice.org again
[06:27] <marco> ok, the files have been removed!
[06:27] <loran> so one more time..GRUB hard disk error after install..anyone know how to install this?
[06:28] <marco> ok...let's see..
[06:28] <georgeb> loran: what exactly is the error ?
[06:28] <Wan_Stiller> hello
[06:28] <loran> GRUB hard disk error before boot
[06:28] <soulrider> loran:
[06:28] <neosa-chris> loran: whats your real error
[06:28] <soulrider> i can help you i think
[06:28] <marco> ok in 8 minutes I will be able to tell u if it worked
[06:28] <marco> :)
[06:28] <marco> hope so
[06:28] <loran> real?
[06:29] <soulrider> loran: tell em mor aobut your error
[06:29] <Wan_Stiller> i have a problem with an ati mobility radeon 9700
[06:29] <soulrider> when do you get it, when trying to select an OS from GRUB ?
[06:29] <loran> i installed kbuntu edgy from the live cd
[06:29] <Wan_Stiller> i have followed the istructions on the wiki page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[06:29] <neosa-chris> wan_stiller: doesn't everyone
[06:29] <soulrider> and you dont geta  grub ?
[06:29] <neosa-chris> lol
[06:29] <loran> not really technically savvy visa vis the terminology here yet
[06:30] <Wan_Stiller> but fglrxinfo still recognize the video card as an OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[06:30] <neosa-chris> wanstiller: ATI is terribly not supported well...
[06:30] <Wan_Stiller> neosa-chris: i know... but on suse 10.1 it works well
[06:31] <Trollinator> that's because Suse is just a better Distro than kubuntu...
[06:31] <neosa-chris> wan_stiller: hmm...
[06:31] <neosa-chris> :-(
[06:31] <TFrog> i tend to disagree Trollinator
[06:31] <Wan_Stiller> neosa-chris: there's something i have forgotten to do
[06:31] <soulrider> Trollinator: i tried both
[06:31] <soulrider> i prefer kubuntu
[06:31] <neosa-chris> I dislike strongly configuring an ATI.
[06:31] <Wan_Stiller> i have installed the binary drivers
[06:31] <neosa-chris> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:31] <TFrog> soulrider, i've tried Suse, Fedora Core, and Kubuntu.  i'll stick with Kubuntu
[06:32] <georgeb> loran: http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html This error message will occur if the Stage 2 or Stage 1.5 is being read from a hard disk, and the attempt to determine the size and geometry of the hard disk fails.
[06:32] <BluesKaj> i beg to differ ..suse Yast sucks as a repos sytem ...breaks pkgs all over the place ...I switched to kubuntu due to the poor hardware recognition as well
[06:32] <dude_> abattoir: are you busy?
[06:32] <soulrider> BluesKaj: i second the Yast statement :P
[06:32] <georgeb> loran: also I saw a post where somebody said it solved this by a bios upgrade
[06:32] <neosa-chris> Did you change your driver when you installed?
[06:32] <Trollinator> BluesKaj: most Suse folks use smart pm since Suse 10.1
[06:32] <georgeb> loran: do you know what motherboard model do you have ?
[06:32] <Trollinator> yes, Zen really sucks, i must admit that, but it'snot a problem because of smart
[06:33] <loran> motherboard = asus p4b266
[06:33] <Trollinator> the only reason i'm still using kubuntu is that i haven't yet had the time to switch over to Suse.
[06:33] <zorglu_> q. what are the available software to capture the screen in order to do screencast
[06:33] <neosa-chris> i <3 asus mobo's
[06:33] <BluesKaj> well them Trollinator , why are you here ...go and have fun fixing yer Suse 10.1 , which i tried.
[06:33] <soulrider> yeah
[06:33] <TFrog> lol BluesKaj
[06:33] <neosa-chris> why are you in a ubuntu IRC trying to fix a suse problem?
[06:34] <Trollinator> I don't have time right now to do that..
[06:34] <BluesKaj> Suse 10.1.2.3.4 ...no matter ...til they fix the repos .... it won't fly
[06:35] <TFrog> BluesKaj, i don't think i'll go back to Suse.  not enough software choices in repos.  seems the same with Fedora Core
[06:35] <Trollinator> BluesKaj: what's wrong with their repos?
[06:35] <Trollinator> TFrog: Ubuntu doesn't have enough software either.
[06:35] <marco> georgeb: thanks a lot
[06:35] <marco> now I have it
[06:35] <neosa-chris> really... screw rpm based OS's
[06:35] <neosa-chris> seriously... i'll only touch Debian based + Gentoo
[06:35] <TFrog> with over 20k packages in repos i beg to differ Trollinator
[06:35] <Trollinator> neosa-chris: have you tried smartpm?
[06:35] <marco> really thanks
[06:36] <neosa-chris> naw
[06:36] <Trollinator> TFrog: numbers are worthless. it doesn't have the software i need.
[06:36] <georgeb> loran: http://www.mepis.org/node/2773   two guys with Asus P4B MB with this problem solved by BIOS upgrade
[06:36] <georgeb> marco: no problem
[06:36] <BluesKaj> Trollinator, is just here to be a shit disturber ...ignore him!
[06:37] <TFrog> well that's a matter of choice too.  there's still software out there i have to compile or use "alien" on to get it to work correctly in Kubuntu.
[06:37] <marco> georgeb: really, I owe u a lot
[06:37] <Trollinator> see....
[06:37] <neosa-chris> haha now now.. he's a Linux user. Just ignore him
[06:37] <loran> thank you...checking those links now
[06:37] <marco> I go now
[06:37] <neosa-chris> INSTALL UBUNTU,Kubuntu,Or Xubuntu !
[06:37] <marco> thanks and bye
[06:37] <georgeb> marco: ok, bye
[06:37] <neosa-chris> see ya
[06:38] <Trollinator> suse is also a lot faster on my machine, don't know why
[06:38] <manulite> does anyone here know if IBM Rational Application Developer will run on kubuntu?
[06:38] <TFrog> neosa-chris, i haven't used Gentoo yet.  but been debating on it.  still can't figure out the install for FreeBSD or i'd try it as well
[06:38] <Trollinator> and YaST is sooo comfortable.
[06:38] <Shan`> trying to install nvidia drivers
[06:38] <Shan`> it gives me this error
[06:38] <Shan`> "You appear to be using Xorg release, but but nvidia-installer could not find pkg-config"
[06:39] <neosa-chris> TFrog: Gentoo used to be terrific.. but after a year of Gentoo i realize that Ubuntu "JUST WORKS" after Dapper
[06:39] <Trollinator> sudo aptitude reinstall pkg-config
[06:39] <Ahmuck> !quicktime
[06:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:40] <Trollinator> actually it doesn't "just work". Setting up PPPoE is much easier with ubuntu
[06:40] <Trollinator> um, with suse i mean
[06:40] <dennister> hi again all
[06:40] <TFrog> lol neosa-chris.  i tend to agree.  just a shame they haven't got ndiswrapper fixed in Edgy.  though i was able to compile it and get it working.  ocassionally i still get a DCOP popup instead of KDEwallet to popup when connecting to my network
[06:40] <Hawkwind> Trollinator: Maybe you should take all of this SuSe chat to #SuSe instead of here please
[06:40] <dennister> so i'm once again downloading the server: edgy i386 this time
[06:41] <dennister> hi Hawkwind :)
[06:41] <georgeb> Trollinator: just wondering, how did you setup pppoe on ubuntu ?
[06:41] <Hawkwind> Hey there dennister
[06:41] <neosa-chris> TFrog: Haha.. Ndiswrapper is garbage period... they are reallyyyy slow in development right now.. cuz most cards are... "just supported"
[06:41] <claudius> hi, does anyone know how i get the /lib/modules/*/build directory?
[06:41] <Trollinator> i didn't, i have a router. Try pppoeconf on the console
[06:41] <eilker> dennister: you may help many problems...as i had...
[06:41] <eilker> dennister: you may have many problems...as i had...
[06:42] <Trollinator> (you can do this graphically on Suse with YaST)
[06:42] <georgeb> Trollinator: lol, did that, but I was wondering if there is one easy, "true" way
[06:42] <dennister> even with the new stable release?
[06:42] <TFrog> neosa-chris, i'm not surprised.  however the so called "native drivers" for Broadcom are just another dirty hack.  you still have to use the windows driver to extract the firmware and you don't gett wireless G out of it
[06:42] <eilker> dennister: i suggest you to wait some more days...
[06:42] <Trollinator> georgeb: there isn't on ubuntu. Ubuntu doesn't ship _any_ utilities to make administration easier
[06:42] <dennister> pls don't tell me that! i'm at my wits end trying to solve problems with every other distro i've tried
[06:43] <Trollinator> which is why it's not actually very user friendly
[06:43] <eilker> dennister: some people have no problems, some have big problems, some people have some small problem, i hope you dont have any problem
[06:44] <neosa-chris> TFrog: If you even have a B or A Linksys or Cicso wireless card lieing around... they work PERFECT in linux
[06:44] <TFrog> unfortunately i don't.  my laptop came with the Broadcom chipset
[06:44] <eilker> dennister: check ubuntu forums for that...there was a vote for it
[06:44] <B-Minus> hey all
[06:44] <neosa-chris> oh man thats strange
[06:44] <B-Minus> i remember using a program to create a sources.list for you, but i dont remember the name
[06:45] <TFrog> neosa-chris, have you been reading up on "devicescape"
[06:45] <B-Minus> does anyone know ? :s
[06:45] <Hawkwind> B-Minus: easyubuntu ?
[06:45] <B-Minus> no it was another
[06:45] <dennister> well i certainly can't use my current distro...tried ubuntu server dapper on 64, with kubuntu desktop (couldn't get ivtv drivers 4 going) tried a couple other distros with ivtvdrivers pre-compiled, they don't work with my graphics card...
[06:45] <Hawkwind> !easyubuntu | B-Minus
[06:45] <ubotu> B-Minus: easyubuntu is easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/  -  For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[06:45] <B-Minus> i used it in gentoo
[06:45] <Hawkwind> B-Minus: automatix ?
[06:45] <johan12345i> is there a guide for how to install xgl on kubuntu edgy?
[06:45] <neosa-chris> yup
[06:45] <Hawkwind> !xgl | johan12345i
[06:45] <ubotu> johan12345i: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:46] <neosa-chris> good ones too
[06:46] <dennister> i end up spending days or weeks with each attempt, to no avail
[06:46] <Trollinator> johan12345i: do you have an ATi card?
[06:46] <B-Minus> Hawkwind: no :s
[06:46] <neosa-chris> Install Beryl and Emerald
[06:46] <neosa-chris> its better
[06:46] <neosa-chris> lol
[06:46] <TFrog> it sounds nice neosa-chris.  however will the manufacturers work with it if it's deployed in the linux kernel
[06:46] <Hawkwind> !beryl | johan12345i
[06:46] <ubotu> johan12345i: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/  -  Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl.
[06:46] <johan12345i> oh yeah i forgot. is there a guide for how to install xgl on kubuntu edgy with an nvidia card?
[06:47] <Trollinator> johan12345i: it's not a good idea to use Xgl with an nVidia card
[06:47] <neosa-chris> TFrog: The manufacturers 90% of the itme dont' make the drivers... Linux users do.. thats why their slow as balls
[06:47] <georgeb> johan12345i: what Hawkwind is trying to tell you is that you would have more success with Xgl questions on #ubuntu-xgl
[06:47] <B-Minus> Failed to fetch http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/j/java-common/java-common_0.25ubuntu1_all.deb  404 Not Found
[06:47] <neosa-chris> well maybe a lil better then that.. idk..
[06:47] <apokryphos> huh? NVidia's are better supported for xgl than any other card
[06:47] <Trollinator> just get the latest Beta driver from ftp://download.nvidia.com and use X.org 7.1
[06:47] <B-Minus> :(
[06:47] <B-Minus> so there is somehting worng ?
[06:47] <B-Minus> wrong
[06:47] <johan12345i> Trollinator: really? i though xgl was made for nvidia
[06:47] <Hawkwind> johan12345i: I just gave you all the info
[06:48] <TFrog> i agree neosa-chris.  problem is Broadcom is too damn protective of their so called "intellectual property"
[06:48] <B-Minus> can anyone ping http://be.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[06:48] <johan12345i> okej thanks Hawkwind
[06:48] <B-Minus> its down :s
[06:48] <Trollinator> the only reason i'm still using kubuntu is that i haven't yet had the time to
[06:48] <TFrog> i wonder if i could go through the freedom of information act and the FCC to get info on their cards.  lol
[06:48] <Trollinator> ups
[06:48] <Trollinator> sorry
[06:49] <Trollinator> 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4001ms
[06:49] <dennister> Hawkwind: when u have a minute?
[06:49] <neosa-chris> TFrog: Uhm... I really think that my friend was using Edgy on his laptop... and it "just worked"
[06:49] <neosa-chris> with his broadband card
[06:49] <Hawkwind> dennister: What's up ?
[06:49] <neosa-chris> Is your version of Edgy a beta or somethign? cuz the released version is what we isntalled on his comp
[06:50] <dennister> i'm being warned off the edgy i386...he says i may have big problems?
[06:50] <TFrog> yeah neosa-chris.  i'm on a Compaq R4125US laptop right now.  had it working with the "native drivers" once till an update for Edgy broke it.  then waited till the release candidate and tried ndiswrapper again.  it works with minimal fuss
[06:50] <Hawkwind> dennister: Very possible.  Some do, some don't.  Each system is different
[06:51] <dennister> that's the problem; everything else i've tried also gives me insurmountable problems
[06:51] <Hawkwind> dennister: I'm still on Dapper myself and probably won't upgrade to Edgy for a few more weeks yet
[06:52] <dennister> dapper i386 or 64?
[06:52] <neosa-chris> TFrog: haha i think your going to have to just kinda accept that for a while.... I have a feeling all the developers are taking a lil break.. seeing they did a ton of work towards edgy in a lil time
[06:52] <eilker> hawkwind: i was not intelligent like you....and now my system is crying...
[06:52] <TFrog> no doubt neosa-chris.  maybe we'll see some more new stuff with the next release
[06:52] <Hawkwind> dennister: i386.  I won't own a 64bit system for atleast another 18 months.  Things are just too unstable with 64Bit still.  Best to stick with a 32bit OS
[06:53] <dennister> yes, at least there aren't java probs with 386
[06:53] <thomas__> hi
[06:53] <eilker> dennister: check official explanations pls, and there is a debconf bug
[06:53] <TFrog> only beef i got with this laptop i'm typing on is the broken ATI drivers that haven't been fixed in a year or i'd be running more eye candy just to see if i like it
[06:53] <Hawkwind> dennister: I highly recommend that even if you have a 64Bit system, to install and run the 32bit OS.  You will be a lot better off
[06:53] <thomas__> have problem with edgy and ipw3945 since i reinstalled. could anybody help ? the module is loadet correctly
[06:53] <neosa-chris> TFrogP: I'm leaving now.. but good luck.. if you need anymore help; from me i have a website... www.neosa.chrismacc.com its still in development
[06:54] <dennister> yes, that's a firm decision: i386
[06:54] <TFrog> i second that Hawkwind.  i'm on a 64 bit laptop and chose the 32 bit version.  less problems
[06:54] <h3sp4wn> I would use a 64bit os on a 64bit chip
[06:55] <TFrog> h3sp4wn, too many apps still are not moving to 64bit.  it's why i stay with 32
[06:55] <h3sp4wn> TFrog: You can use schroot (or just build against ia32-libs-*
[06:55] <dennister> ubuntu server dapper/edgy i386 + kubuntu-desktop i386 * appropriate ivtv drivers for kernel + mythtv
[06:55] <Hawkwind> If you don't do serious number crunching, making movies and have 4GB of RAM, the 64Bit OS doesn't really benefit you as most people think it does.  You'll get some speed increase, but not as much as the system is designed for
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> You can also use a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit userland
[06:56] <dennister> i was making original dvd movies
[06:56] <Hawkwind> Most everyday users don't want to deal with chroot and build against ia32-libs.  They just want to install the 64Bit OS and have it work.  That's not possible right now
[06:56] <TFrog> agreed Hawkwind.  plus most software still doesn't fully exploit 32 bit yet.  very few programs indeed use multithreading
[06:57] <dennister> but i'm done that now
[06:57] <Hawkwind> It's just like with everything else in the computer world......newest isn't fully supported for a couple of years or so and takes time to mature
[06:58] <Hawkwind> If you want something that works pretty much completely, use what's been around for years until the new stuff has been around for a few years
[06:58] <h3sp4wn> Its only a small hassle to build the few 32 bit apps you want against the 32bit libs
[06:58] <h3sp4wn> Most oss apps (or at least any that work on alpha) have been 64 bit ready for along time
[06:58] <dennister> ok, well server-edgy-i386 is downloaded now...i might as well try it...the prob was the ivtv drivers with dapper, and ivtv drivers really want to see upgraded kernels
[06:59] <dennister> if it doesn't work, it doesn't work
[06:59] <Hawkwind> Again, most everyday normal users don't want to deal with that.  They just want to install the OS and have it work.  That's not possible with a 64Bit system
[06:59] <Trollinator> so? there still is no point in 64 bit processors if you don't have >2GB of RAM
[06:59] <dennister> and i've been forewarned :)
[06:59] <thomas__> can anybody help me plz with ipw3945 ? knetworkmanager doesnt give the option of wireless, after a fresh install of edgy in /etc/network/interfaces there was no eth1, at the last installation it was ther .. but ipw3945 is loadet correctly and dmesg fount the intel wireless chip
[07:00] <TFrog> actually Trollinator it's not ram.  most developers haven't written multithreaded software yet.  especially not the game developers
[07:00] <Trollinator> TFrog: multicore CPU have nothing to do with 64 Bit
[07:00] <Trollinator> CPUs*
[07:00] <zorglu_> threading is dangerious when coding
[07:00] <TFrog> ahhhhhhhhh but it does do a lot with multithreading
[07:00] <georgeb> TFrog: but you can do some interesting stuff on multi-cpu; such as binding all your programs on one CPU, and the game on another ;-)
[07:01] <zorglu_> way too hard :)
[07:01] <TFrog> tis true georgeb
[07:01] <thomas__> nobody wants to help ?
[07:01] <eilker> people i am gonna buy a multi functional(it could be only laser too) printer, could you pls suggest me some printers which has no problem with kubuntu ?
[07:01] <Trollinator> zorglu_: well, it's difficult...
[07:01] <zorglu_> thomas__: or more 'dont know how' :)
[07:01] <Trollinator> eilker: www.linuxprinting.org
[07:01] <TFrog> now if i go multicore or multiple cpus then i'll be doing more graphics and video editing as well as other single threaded tasks at the same time
[07:01] <thomas__> hmm this could be too
[07:02] <eilker> Trollinator:thanx
[07:02] <TFrog> eilker, i use an old HP PSC1210 scanner/printer.  works fine with gimp and quietsane
[07:02] <Trollinator> The vast majority of Laser Printers uses PCL or PostScript, so there shouldn't be a problem
[07:03] <georgeb> Trollinator: it's about 4 GB RAM; on 32 bits you can address up to 4G (4*1024*1024*1024); if you want to use more than 4 GB in a 32bit computer, there is PAE (physical address extension) which allows you to use more than 4 GB, but this comes with extra CPU usage for extra-addressing, also one app still can't address more than 3.something GB ram
[07:03] <eilker> tfrog: it also has no problem with windows too ,right?
[07:03] <TFrog> exactly georgeb
[07:03] <h3sp4wn> Trollinator: (cross) Compiling is faster in 64 bit mode
[07:04] <Trollinator> how much? 10%?
[07:04] <TFrog> yes eilker.  it's an inkjet and it has no issues with windows or linux and i've used it on various distro's of linux
[07:04] <Trollinator> or even 20%?
[07:05] <johan12345i> how do i add a session in kde?
[07:05] <georgeb> Trollinator: an advantage of 64bit is that the CPU can transfer more info in one go; but this isn't usefull for most usual apps
[07:05] <loz> ubotu: how do i install s video on ubuntu edgy eft?
[07:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how do i install s video on ubuntu edgy eft? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:05] <georgeb> johan12345i: Kmenu -> Switch users ?
[07:06] <Trollinator> georgeb: i know the theoretical advantages. However, for now there's hardly any point
[07:06] <TehUni> can anyone help me setup raid 1 using mdadm? i have 3 drives.. 1 for boot and /, and 2 others for storage. i want those 2 in raid1.
[07:06] <loz> ubotu: svideo on ubuntu 6:10
[07:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about svideo on ubuntu 6:10 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:06] <dennister> with my current distro, i still have room for additional partitions, home and an xfs/video partition for media storage are separate; can i re-use the /home and /video partitions with the ubuntu server?
[07:07] <loz> ubotu:botsnack
[07:07] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:07] <dennister> i'd really like the kubuntu grub to overwrite the other grub anyway
[07:08] <johan12345i> geogreb: add a session not change session
[07:08] <dennister> kubuntu grub is much better than other distros, as it finds other OS (like windoze) on other drives and u don't even have to 'fool windoze'
[07:09] <Trollinator> every grub does that by now
[07:09] <ubuntu> hi
[07:09] <ubuntu> I have a big problem
[07:09] <dennister> my current one doesn't
[07:09] <Trollinator> ubuntu: you nickname you mean?
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> dennister: It is configured wrong then
[07:10] <zorglu_> !ask
[07:10] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:10] <georgeb> johan12345i: what do you understan by adding a session ? having another kde running at the same time with a different user ?
[07:10] <Trollinator> seriously, why do people call themselves "ubuntu"?
[07:10] <ubuntu> I have upgraded to Edgy, and now I don't have X server
[07:10] <dennister> well, it'll be overwritten soon :)
[07:10] <ubuntu> I will change it later
[07:10] <CVirus> Trollinator: they dont .. its just the IRC client that has the default nickname ubuntu
[07:10] <ubuntu> now I am on live CD
[07:10] <johan12345i> geogreb: no. add a session, so i can log in to that one later
[07:10] <Trollinator> i already feel jackass enough when i say ubuntu
[07:11] <Trollinator> ubuntu: tell us the error messages
[07:11] <ubuntu> ok
[07:11] <ubuntu> what I remember :)
[07:11] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: /nick newnick
[07:11] <ubuntu> Connection refused (errno 111)
[07:11] <johan12345i> geogreb: add a new session to session-startup. like u can change between failsafe and kde. but i have one more, i want to add in the session-mannager
[07:12] <B-Minus> hmm
[07:12] <stamen> unable to connect to X server
[07:12] <dennister> ok pps...here goes nothin :)
[07:12] <dennister> bbl
[07:12] <georgeb> johan12345i: oh.. i don't know how/if you can do that
[07:12] <stamen> no such process (errno 3): Server error
[07:12] <stamen> so waht to do
[07:12] <Trollinator> stamen: please mount your hard disk and publish your /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere
[07:12] <stamen> xserver-xorg is rc
[07:12] <B-Minus> i cant run adept-manager anymore, it says : you will not be able to change your system settings .... because the db is in use by another app ... aptitude or aptget arent running
[07:13] <stamen> ok
[07:13] <johan12345i> geogreb: i know how to change it in gnome, but not kde
[07:13] <stamen> Trollinator: I will publish the log file
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> johan12345i: write a .desktop file
[07:13] <stamen> Trollinator: but I can't download the latest xorg server and nvidia-glx
[07:14] <johan12345i> h3sp4wn: where should i put it?
[07:14] <stamen> Trollinator: how to download them?
[07:14] <stamen> first
[07:14] <loz> hello to all, can anyone give me a link for installing the s video for watching films via my tv.? cheers
[07:14] <h3sp4wn> johan12345i: findout where kde.desktop is and put it in the same place (same syntax) I don't use kdm so I don't know where it is off the top of my head
[07:14] <johan12345i> okej thanks!!
[07:15] <stamen> Trollinator: are you there
[07:15] <lupine_85>  /usr/share/xsessions
[07:16] <Trollinator> no, i'm not there
[07:16] <stamen> :)
[07:17] <stamen> tell me how to download normal x server and nvidia-glx
[07:17] <OOD> stamen: you're running an x server right now
[07:18] <sybux> Hi, I'm ugrading to edgy and during the installation of the new package, time to time I got the following error message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30299/
[07:18] <Shan`> how do I mount my cdrom?
[07:19] <Dark_Vampire> !de
[07:19] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:19] <Shan`> it asks for a fs type
[07:19] <Shan`> guys
[07:19] <stamen> fs type is iso9660
[07:19] <georgeb> Shan`: iso9660
[07:20] <Shan`> sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0   ???
[07:21] <Shan`> ??
[07:22] <B-Minus> im trying to install java with adept manager, but during installation a blue screen with some licence agreements shows up, i cant hit the OK in that window ... anyone an idea ?
[07:22] <Shan`> that should work right? sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0
[07:24] <Skrot> !webstart
[07:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about webstart - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:25] <georgeb> Shan`: yes
[07:27] <chuso> hi all :)
[07:27] <sybux> !fr
[07:27] <chuso> first of all sorry for my English
[07:27] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:27] <georgeb> B-Minus: go to end; or press q
[07:29] <chuso> I have a problem... since I upgraded to edgy my system is completly unstable. Xorg often crashes, usually when I run apps which have many CPU usage. So, the only way to make it stable again is restarting the system. Any idea?
[07:30] <B-Minus> georgeb: i cant do anyting in that window
[07:30] <B-Minus> cant go to end
[07:31] <sybux> Hi, I'm ugrading to edgy and during the installation of the new package, time to time I got the following error message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30299/ ?
[07:31] <georgeb> B-Minus: if you press "q" nothing happens ?
[07:31] <georgeb> B-Minus: that window shoul behave like a terminal window
[07:32] <georgeb> sybux: it's ok, just warnings :)
[07:32] <B-Minus> georgeb: indeed nothing happens
[07:32] <B-Minus> it doesnt react on keyboard input
[07:32] <B-Minus> :s
[07:32] <sybux> georgeb: ok but I've so much of those I was affraid
[07:33] <josef|ca> Riddell: what's the current topic in the kubuntu room?
[07:33] <hume> hi...I got a problem with kpilot and korganizer, syncing with a palm T5 - when syncing the calendar is erased on the palm - anyone knows anything about this?
[07:35] <georgeb> B-Minus: just a second, I'll reinstall java
[07:35] <digivore> damn that upgrade really screwed me up...
[07:35] <B-Minus> georgeb: ok tnx
[07:35] <B-Minus> so i dont need to do anythiong ?
[07:36] <digivore> i have rebooted kubuntu fo the first time after upgrading to edgy, and now i don't get a graphical login and can't figure out how to start KDE and/or E
[07:36] <georgeb> B-Minus: I reinstall java on my system to see what warning appears :)
[07:36] <B-Minus> georgeb: ok tx
[07:37] <B-Minus> its just a licence agreement or something but i cant do anything on that screen :s
[07:38] <sybux> digivore: I've got the same problem with my laptop. Try to do an apt-get install xserver-xorg and restart after. It works for me
[07:39] <B-Minus> if i change my sources.list, how can i tell apt-get this ?
[07:39] <B-Minus> apt-get update doesnt do the job
[07:39] <sybux> B-Minus: apt-get update
[07:39] <lupine_85> sudo apt-get update
[07:39] <B-Minus> hmms
[07:39] <lupine_85> snap
[07:39] <B-Minus> :s
[07:39] <lupine_85> it should
[07:40] <lupine_85> unless you've got a malformed line in /etc/apt/sources.list of course...
[07:40] <georgeb> B-Minus: I don't get that warning because I already accepted the license
[07:40] <georgeb> !java
[07:40] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[07:41] <TheGateKeeper> georgeb: use the cli to install java not adept
[07:41] <B-Minus> georgeb: damn, tnx for trying
[07:42] <georgeb> TheGateKeeper: B-minus has problems with adept and java; you can't accept the license in adept ?
[07:43] <TheGateKeeper> georgeb: correct java needs to be install either from the cli or using synaptic where you can see what the cli is ouputing
[07:43] <TheGateKeeper> I really wish people would stop using adept!!
[07:43] <BluesKaj> why?
[07:44] <Trollinator> georgeb: you can accept the license in adept
[07:44] <Trollinator> you "only" have to click on the details button
[07:44] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: I would have thought my comments above would have answered that question lol
[07:45] <BluesKaj> just got back, was running some errands
[07:45] <sybux> How can I remove bluetooth service ? I was using a hub but now I've removed it from my system but service still start
[07:46] <TheGateKeeper> adept re-invents the wheel & does a shit job of it!!
[07:46] <B-Minus> is it a good idea to do this : Code: sudo dpkg-reconfigure dash
[07:46] <B-Minus> and answer with no
[07:46] <B-Minus> for CLI
[07:47] <BluesKaj> what about synaptic?
[07:48] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: if you want a GUI then by all means use it, I use a combination of synaptic & apt-get depending on what I am doing
[07:48] <BluesKaj> ok
[07:49] <BluesKaj> I find that apt-get and dpkg and tar sometimes don't work cuz apt doesn't see the file in the home folder for some reason
[07:50] <BluesKaj> i'm still confused about it works sometimes and sometimes not
[07:50] <BluesKaj> why
[07:50] <TheGateKeeper> hmmm can't comment never had the problem
[07:50] <BluesKaj> well , bully for you :)
[07:51] <MetaMorfoziS> in kcontrol the keyboardmapping field is empty
[07:51] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i get back that?
[07:51] <georgeb> BluesKaj: what file in home folder ?
[07:53] <BluesKaj> well this time it's quicktime
[07:53] <georgeb> BluesKaj: you have a deb of quicktime in your home folder ?
[07:54] <felipe__> Hello, is there  a way to force programs to minimize to the sistem tray?
[07:55] <BluesKaj> georgeb, it's a tar bz2 file
[07:57] <georgeb> BluesKaj: well with apt you can manage deb packages from different repositories; if you want to install separate deb packages you have to use dpkg -i /path/to/deb
[07:58] <georgeb> BluesKaj: tar bz/gz usualy are source packages that you have to compile; unarchive the file with tar -xjvf name.tar.bz and see in the folder created if there is a README or INSTALL file
[08:00] <Mahmoud85> Hello, Anyone using Kubuntu Screensaver with Password option? It does not ask for password here (works in Ubuntu (Gnome) though)  .. using Edgy
[08:03] <h3sp4wn> B-Minus_: Why is that a good idea ? (sudo dpkg-reconfigure dash) I think its a completely stupid idea (and it is only affects programs that are not posix complient anyway i.e /bin/sh should act like sh not bash (/bin/sh is dash for a reason)
[08:06] <ubuntu> !grub
[08:06] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:07] <honest> Hello All, just installed kubuntu for the first time on my desktop, i have the Belkin BCM4306 wireless card in the box or so it says. Under network settings it shows the card but doesnt allow me to enable it and the wireless manager only serches fopr about a second but doesnt find anything. does anyone have any ideas?
[08:09] <mentok> start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=wireless&titlesearch=Titles
[08:10] <mentok> and here is another place to search for wireless: http://ubuntuforums.org/
[08:10] <mentok> there is a lot of info there about setting up wireless cards
[08:10] <B-Minus_> how can i install a package with apt-get even if its installed already ?
[08:10] <sacero> hi, i need a rapid suggestion: i have installed kubuntu, but what package i need to install for the music and video codec?
[08:10] <B-Minus_> with -force or something
[08:12] <geo_> hola
[08:12] <mentok> apt-get remove package, then apt-get install package, that will remove it first
[08:12] <mentok> then install
[08:14] <sacero> hi, i need a rapid suggestion: i have installed kubuntu, but what package i need to install for the music and video codec?
[08:14] <cpk1> libxine-extracodecs
[08:14] <mentok> gstreamer has a lot of codecs, which ones are you trying to install?
[08:15] <cpk1> libxine is by far the easiest to do
[08:15] <mentok> anyone try upgrading to edgy for amd64 from dapper and have Xserver problems?
[08:16] <lupine_85> mentok: my upgrade worked in beta stage#
[08:16] <lupine_85> make sure ubuntu-desktop is installed, before and after the dist-upgrade
[08:16] <lupine_85> erm. kubuntu-desktop
[08:16] <mentok> i think thats whats happening
[08:16] <mentok> i don't have any network though so I've had to use the live cd w/ the download only option to get the packages
[08:17] <marco> hi to everybody
[08:17] <lupine_85> owie
[08:17] <mentok> yeah
[08:17] <marco> jst one simple question
[08:17] <lupine_85> download the alternate CD and use that as a repo?
[08:17] <lupine_85> !alternate
[08:17] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[08:17] <mentok> hmm, hadn't thought of that
[08:17] <marco> to add a cd to the repositories I just need to do apt-get cdrom add?
[08:17] <lupine_85> easier :)
[08:17] <lupine_85> marco: yes
[08:17] <mentok> definitly
[08:17] <mentok> thanks
[08:17] <lupine_85> erm, apt-cdrom add
[08:17] <marco> oh, that's why it didn't work!
[08:17] <marco> thx
[08:18] <mentok> curiously, how about a chroot into my old root dir, then apt download from there?
[08:18] <sam__> hi i am a newbie just switched over from xp to kubuntu - but still have one machine for xp as i do alot of video and music editing- cant seem to get the lan connection betweeen xp and kubuntu
[08:18] <mentok> i'm guessing that dpkg --config doesn't work right, but the download should
[08:18] <marco> uh...I can't add it...
[08:21] <sacero> cpk1: thank you
[08:22] <marco> people, how can I upgrade from openoffice 2.0.2 to the 2.0.3 or 2.0.4 version? Adept doesen't show any update
[08:22] <mentok> marco: it may not be in the repository
[08:22] <zorglu_> !samba | sam__
[08:22] <ubotu> sam__: samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:23] <lupine_85> !info openoffice.org
[08:23] <ubotu> openoffice.org: OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.4-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 3 kB, installed size 28 kB
[08:23] <lupine_85> it's already 2.0.4
[08:23] <mentok> ok
[08:23] <lupine_85> in edgy anyway
[08:23] <zorglu_> sam__: ultra wild guessing about 'lan connection' :)
[08:23] <lupine_85> !info openoffice.org dapper
[08:23] <ubotu> openoffice.org: OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB (Only available for amd64 ia64)
[08:23] <marco> but I remember I upated it to 2.0.3 somehow
[08:23] <sacero> cpk1: i dont find libxine-extracodecs some other libxine but not that...
[08:24] <lupine_85> it's in multiverse
[08:24] <lupine_85> !libxine-extracodecs
[08:24] <swanfl> can Amarok write whatever it plays out to disk as a wav?
[08:24] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[08:24] <cpk1> !info libxine-extracodecs
[08:25] <mirshafie> i'm trying to connect to my nokia 7610 with a usb bluetooth dongle and kmobiletools. the problem is that i don't know what to set as mobile phone device (default is /dev/mobile). i did a hcitool scan and can find my phone, and according to bluetooth:/ it's located in "/ (sdp)", but i cannot find sdp in /, /mnt, /media or /dev. where should i look for it?
[08:27] <sam__> ubotu: will i have to decide which is server and which is client or could i have both as server?
[08:27] <ehird> LOL, asking ubotu questions
[08:27] <marco> ....
[08:28] <lupine_85> swanfl: xmms can do that
[08:28] <lupine_85> (disk output plugin)
[08:28] <cpk1> sam__: you are connecting the 2 computers together via one ethernet cable directly connected to each?
[08:28] <jmed> I thought I'd make use of an older computer by installing kubuntu, but am completely new to this os. I am having trouble with wireless usdb adapter. Can anyone help?
[08:28] <swanfl> I need the plug in to play wma files and can't find it
[08:29] <SHRIKEE> w32codecs
[08:29] <Neolithium> swan, did you install the w32codecs?
[08:29] <SHRIKEE> in the universe
[08:29] <SHRIKEE> xlib-extracodecs too
[08:29] <zorglu_> sam__: ubotu is a bot
[08:29] <SHRIKEE> uBOTu
[08:29] <SHRIKEE> :P
[08:29] <swanfl> xmms won't play wma files but amarok does
[08:29] <SHRIKEE> amarok pwns
[08:30] <frankmyhre> Kaffeine cant play my wmv-video files, anyone knows why?
[08:30] <zorglu_> !codecs | frankmyhre
[08:30] <ubotu> frankmyhre: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:30] <SHRIKEE> !codecs
[08:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:30] <SHRIKEE> oh
[08:30] <SHRIKEE> :P
[08:30] <cpk1> aieee
[08:30] <SHRIKEE> also
[08:30] <Neolithium> I can play them in Kaffeine, I just made sure I installed all the codecs. Man I love automatix2 to make all that stuff simple.
[08:31] <SHRIKEE> http://www.zerohex.org/2006/04/06/ubuntu-and-wmv-support-how-to/ worked great for me
[08:31] <frankmyhre> zorglu_: I have already installed the codec
[08:31] <cpk1> because apt-get install libxine-extracodecs is so difficult...
[08:31] <SHRIKEE> lol cpk1
[08:31] <zorglu_> frankmyhre: except if the file is DRMed you should be able to read it
[08:32] <sam__> zorglu: did not know that as i say i am a newbie - to kubuntu as will as irc never needed it before
[08:32] <swanfl> yes I have the win32codecs
[08:32] <swanfl> I installed them manually
[08:32] <cpk1> i dont get it, people think automatix saves trouble and time when in the time it takes to get automatix I can have my sources.list ready
[08:33] <marco> sorry again...to add the cd to the repositories I must type apt-get cdrom?
[08:33] <marco> or apt-get cdom add?
[08:33] <SHRIKEE> automatix is that installer ap, right?
[08:33] <SHRIKEE> to make things  'easy'
[08:33] <SHRIKEE> !automatix
[08:33] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[08:33] <Hawkwind> !automatix | SHRIKEE
[08:33] <ubotu> SHRIKEE: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[08:33] <SHRIKEE> lol
[08:34] <SHRIKEE> i read a page about it on the wiki
[08:34] <mentok> the bot speaks again
[08:34] <SHRIKEE> didnt like it
[08:34] <mentok> does the bot have super cow powers?
[08:34] <marco> how to add the cdrom to the repositories?
[08:34] <SHRIKEE> marco, go to adept, click view > repositories
[08:34] <SHRIKEE> and add it there
[08:34] <SHRIKEE> save
[08:34] <SHRIKEE> refresh the list and go
[08:34] <SHRIKEE> :P
[08:35] <marco> yes, but how to add it, I mean, I just type cdrom instead of deb and leave the rest blank?
[08:35] <SHRIKEE> hmm its already there i believe
[08:35] <SHRIKEE> but commented out
[08:35] <marco> no, I am looking in my reps, no cdrom there
[08:35] <sacero> lupine_85: "it's in multiverse" in source.list?
[08:35] <marco> so I must add it manually
[08:35] <SHRIKEE> ah,
[08:36] <lupine_85> is what in multiverse?
[08:37] <lupine_85> oh, got you. Yes you need to add multiverse to /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:37] <marco> it is apt-cdrom add
[08:38] <sacero> lupine_85 it is as main and universe? Tank you very much!
[08:38] <sam__> cpk1: no i have a router + 4 port hub - router is set as server
[08:40] <lupine_85> main restricted universe multiverse
[08:41] <lalo> hi
[08:41] <lalo> hello everybody
[08:41] <lupine_85> 'ko
[08:41] <lupine_85> 'lo*
[08:41] <lalo> can so help me?
[08:41] <zorglu_> !nicktab | sam__
[08:41] <ubotu> sam__: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[08:41] <lupine_85> !helpme
[08:41] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:41] <lalo> i am new on kubuntu and it is good
[08:41] <lalo> but/...
[08:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra> is it strange if the included VNC server is very laggy over LAN (sub 1ms ping, 100mbit)?
[08:41] <lalo> i just can play AVI files
[08:41] <lalo> neither in windows
[08:42] <lalo> and not on kubuntu
[08:42] <zorglu_> Lerneaen_Hydra: yep it is weird
[08:42] <lalo> why?
[08:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I seem to get only around 3-4fps and lots of redraw latency
[08:42] <lupine_85> codec issue?
[08:42] <lupine_85> !codecs
[08:42] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:42] <h3sp4wn> Lerneaen_Hydra: Much better to use either x-forwarding and something like exceed (if you are on windows) or freenx
[08:42] <lupine_85> try some of that and see if it helps
[08:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> zorglu_: is there any other set-it-and-forget-it package you know of (prefferably in some apt repository)?
[08:43] <kamal> HI Every body http://www.e-partage.com
[08:43] <lupine_85> ...
[08:43] <lalo> i have realplayer, and other of the best video players and nothing
[08:43] <lupine_85> it works here...
[08:43] <lalo> i have already read that info
[08:43] <lupine_85> what codecs have you installed, if nay?
[08:43] <lupine_85> any*
[08:43] <zorglu_> Lerneaen_Hydra: hmm nope. i would not even qualify vnc of that :)
[08:43] <lalo> and nothing happens
[08:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I've used x-forwarding over SSH to an extent, but if I want to control the entire system in a window without child apps spilling out into my controller's WM
[08:44] <lupine_85> of course, if they don't work in windows either it's conceivable that there's a problem with th .avi file
[08:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ie everything-in-a-window
[08:44] <zorglu_> Lerneaen_Hydra: freenx is fast, if it is what you are looking for
[08:44] <lalo> mmm well i have installed the players
[08:44] <zorglu_> !freenx
[08:44] <ubotu> freenx is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[08:45] <lalo> and when i installed the players said that had already some codecs
[08:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> zorglu_: oh, I've been using Xming for that, it seems to work well enough for ssh x-forwarding
[08:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> freenix might not be the same thing though, now that I look a bit more closely
[08:45] <zorglu_> it is supposed to be the fastest
[08:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ok, so the way of using it is the same as a VNC client/server, rather than x-forwarding induvidual apps?
[08:46] <lalo> so?
[08:46] <lalo> no can help me?
[08:47] <zorglu_> hmm i think there is a difference, with freenx, you got your own session, while with vnc you got an existing one
[08:47] <zorglu_> i mean it is like you were loggin in at the X level, but remotly
[08:47] <lalo> what about the codes?
[08:47] <lalo> codecs?
[08:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> zorglu_: oh, ok. so the server doesn't need to have X started?
[08:48] <lupine_85> !w32codecs
[08:48] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:48] <lupine_85> bah
[08:48] <lupine_85> install w32codecs and try mplayer
[08:48] <lupine_85> if that doesn't work, I'll be /very/ surprised
[08:48] <zorglu_> Lerneaen_Hydra: not sure at all
[08:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> zorglu_: ok, it doesn't matter in my case, I'll test that app
[08:48] <zorglu_> Lerneaen_Hydra: a guy called george on #kde-devel did some work on doing a better client
[08:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> thanks for the tip
[08:49] <zorglu_> my pleasure
[08:49] <lalo> DIDNT WORK
[08:49] <Lerneaen_Hydra> (the gnome VNC client seemed to work much better)
[08:49] <lalo> i had already installed w32 codecs and nothing
[08:50] <dave> hello
[08:50] <dave> can someone help me
[08:51] <zorglu_> !ask
[08:51] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:51] <dave> :-)
[08:51] <dave> just making sure someone is here
[08:51] <chris_> can somebody take some time to help me out with my speakers? Mixer and alsa mixer have only 2 controls and my sound is really poor quality. I'm using intel hd audio, so it should be well supported....
[08:51] <mluser-home> What does it mean when aptitude tells me ' The following packages have been kept back'?
[08:51] <dave> i just installed kubuntu and i acannot access root
[08:51] <zorglu_> !passwd
[08:51] <ubotu> passwd: change and administer password and group data. In component main, is required. Version 1:4.0.16-2ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 733 kB, installed size 2316 kB
[08:51] <zorglu_> not that
[08:51] <dave> i typed su and it would not take my password
[08:52] <lalo> SO?????????????? WHAT ELSE?
[08:52] <zorglu_> !sudo | dave
[08:52] <ubotu> dave: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:52] <lalo> WHAT ELSE CA I DO?
[08:52] <dave> what is sudo?
[08:52] <dave> oh
[08:53] <dave> ok
[08:53] <dave> how come su doesnt take my password though
[08:53] <BluesKaj> is there a Wine pkg for Edgy
[08:53] <BluesKaj> ?
[08:54] <dave> sudo took it as well as the user area in system
[08:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, another random question, is there any good (with GUI) app to control/configure iptables?
[08:54] <lalo> NO FURTHER INFO FOR THE AVI FILES?
[08:54] <sacero> thank you all for your suggestions! see you later
[08:54] <RawSewage> Can someone help me?  Audacity keeps crashing
[08:54] <zorglu_> dave: you should read the page
[08:55] <mluser-home> Does anyone know what it means when aptitude says  packages have been KEPT back ?
[08:55] <dave> which page?
[08:55] <zorglu_> !firewall | Lerneaen_Hydra
[08:55] <ubotu> Lerneaen_Hydra: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[08:55] <zorglu_> Lerneaen_Hydra: none is actually good, but this is the best available
[08:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ah! guarddog, ok
[08:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ok
[08:55] <zorglu_> dave: the one i gave you
[08:56] <dave> oh...didnt notice it
[08:56] <VV4tch3r> hi all
[08:57] <zorglu_> !tab | dave
[08:57] <ubotu> dave: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[08:57] <VV4tch3r> how my fstab should look like for a normal user to mount something?
[08:58] <dave> i am attempting to install firefox and it gives me an error "error when loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11"
[08:58] <ErenTurkay`> hi all
[08:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> zorglu_: I hope you get paid to be here...
[08:58] <dave> zorglu_: do i need to install this library?
[08:58] <zorglu_> Lerneaen_Hydra: my pleasure is enougth :)
[08:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> zorglu_: doesn't it get tiring?
[08:58] <zorglu_> dave: no idea
[08:59] <dave> zorglu_: any ideas on how to troubleshoot this?
[08:59] <zorglu_> Lerneaen_Hydra: well it give me a good idea of what is 'a user'
[08:59] <zorglu_> dave: nope
[08:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> zorglu_: heh, for better and for worse ;)
[08:59] <zorglu_> Lerneaen_Hydra: and this worth a huge mass of money :)
[09:00] <VV4tch3r> how can I mount a partistion as a normal user?
[09:00] <dave> can someone help me install firefox
[09:00] <purpleposeidon> How do you prevent kde from opening up all the apps you had up when you closed it?
[09:00] <VV4tch3r> dave: apt-get libgtk1.2
[09:00] <VV4tch3r> dave: sorry , apt-get install klibgtk1.2
[09:01] <zorglu_> VV4tch3r: using sudo is not ok ?
[09:01] <VV4tch3r> libgtk1..2
[09:01] <VV4tch3r> ok: sudo apt-get install libgtk1.2
[09:02] <VV4tch3r> I have twisted fingers
[09:02] <VV4tch3r> sorry
[09:02] <dave> W4tch3r: could not find package
[09:02] <VV4tch3r> aaaa
[09:02] <zorglu_> VV4tch3r: hehe :) nope i meant "sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/bkabal" :)
[09:02] <zorglu_> !info libgtk1.2
[09:02] <ubotu> libgtk1.2: The GIMP Toolkit set of widgets for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.10-18 (edgy), package size 817 kB, installed size 1772 kB
[09:03] <zorglu_> dave: "sudo apt-get install libgtk1.2"
[09:03] <VV4tch3r> sudo bash
[09:03] <VV4tch3r> to open o new shell as root
[09:03] <lupine_85> su :p
[09:03] <SHRIKEE> !info whateverpacketiwant
[09:03] <ubotu> Package whateverpacketiwant does not exist in any distro I know
[09:03] <SHRIKEE> ?
[09:03] <VV4tch3r> and then:
[09:03] <SHRIKEE> sexy
[09:04] <VV4tch3r> vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:04] <dave> zorglu_: that downloaded but i still get the error when i attempt to install
[09:04] <lupine_85> usr/include/stdio.h is in libc6-dev
[09:04] <lupine_85> hmm
[09:04] <VV4tch3r> and uncomment all sources
[09:05] <VV4tch3r> zorglu_:I want to mount as user not as root
[09:05] <zorglu_> VV4tch3r: i think pmount is supposed to do exactly that
[09:05] <zorglu_> but i never looked at it
[09:05] <RawSewage> Can someone help me?  Audacity crashes with the following error:  artsdsp audacity
[09:05] <RawSewage> Ooops
[09:05] <zorglu_> !pmount | VV4tch3r
[09:05] <ubotu> pmount: mount removable devices as normal user. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.13-1build1 (edgy), package size 39 kB, installed size 588 kB
[09:06] <RawSewage> Can someone help me?  Audacity crashes with the following error:  Segmentation fault
[09:06] <zorglu_> yep this was it :)
[09:06] <RawSewage> Segmentation fault
[09:06] <sam__> help setup according to ubuntu wiki try to see network get this - Unable to find any workgroups in your local network. This might be caused by an enabled firewall.
[09:06] <dave> any other ideas?
[09:06] <zorglu_> RawSewage: no good and it doesnt provide much info
[09:06] <zorglu_> RawSewage: 'segfaul' a bit like blue screen on window
[09:06] <RawSewage> zorglu_, oh
[09:06] <markelhas> hi ppl
[09:07] <Godfather> guys i need your help
[09:07] <markelhas> what's the kubuntu 6.10 code name?
[09:07] <Godfather> i've just installed kubuntu edgy eft
[09:07] <markelhas> hehehe
[09:07] <zorglu_>  kubuntu edgy eft
[09:08] <markelhas> edgy
[09:08] <Godfather> but wifi assitant doesn't see
[09:08] <markelhas> zorglu_: where can i find the source.list file
[09:08] <VV4tch3r> zorglu_: ls: /d: Permission denied
[09:08] <Godfather> my home wireless net
[09:08] <sam__> anybody got a good sample samba config file that can be easily edited ?
[09:08] <VV4tch3r> zorglu_: pmount /d
[09:08] <Godfather> we have a pc running windows that works like server
[09:08] <zorglu_> !source | markelhas
[09:08] <ubotu> markelhas: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:08] <markelhas> in this http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic can't find that version
[09:08] <Godfather> if i use windows as i'm doing right now
[09:09] <zorglu_> markelhas: or it is in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:09] <zorglu_> VV4tch3r: ?
[09:09] <Godfather> i can see the net
[09:09] <Godfather> and enjoy internet
[09:09] <markelhas> zorglu_: yap, but i need to fix it
[09:09] <Godfather> but if i use kubuntu i acan't see it
[09:09] <zorglu_> markelhas: f2 then type kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:09] <zorglu_> !samba | Godfather
[09:09] <ubotu> Godfather: samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:10] <Godfather> use this wifi net is the only way to enjoy internet
[09:10] <Godfather> yes
[09:10] <markelhas> zorglu_: yes, but i need the servers to add it
[09:10] <Godfather> but why wireless assistan can't see the net?
[09:10] <markelhas> zorglu_: i've mess my .list file
[09:11] <markelhas> zorglu_: can u send your's?
[09:11] <zorglu_> markelhas: i see. why not using one from the source-omoatic
[09:11] <zorglu_> markelhas: im using dapper
[09:11] <zorglu_> and file transfert over the internet is still an unsolved problem
[09:11] <markelhas> zorglu_: in source-omatic doesn't have edgy
[09:11] <zorglu_> markelhas: serious ??
[09:11] <zorglu_> !sourceomatic
[09:11] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:12] <zorglu_> wow this ubuntu-nl should wake up :)
[09:12] <Godfath3r> does anyone give me the wifiradr package
[09:12] <Godfath3r> ?
[09:12] <zorglu_> markelhas: ok generate one for dapper, and replace all 'dapper' by edgy in the file
[09:12] <Godfath3r> i wish to know
[09:12] <zorglu_> !wifi
[09:12] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:12] <markelhas> zorglu_: oki then
[09:12] <zorglu_> Godfath3r: you got htis one ?
[09:13] <Godfath3r> zorglu
[09:14] <Godfath3r> i've set
[09:14] <Bubba_Gump> Godfath3r: what says konsole when command: sudo iwconfig
[09:14] <Godfath3r> the wifi card
[09:14] <Godfath3r> it shows me the essid that i gave
[09:14] <Godfath3r> but 0 signal
[09:14] <markelhas> zorglu_: going to try it
[09:15] <Godfath3r> does exist another .deb package tha could make my wifi card works?
[09:15] <Bubba_Gump> have you the Ndis wrapper?
[09:15] <Bubba_Gump> or something similar
[09:16] <Godfath3r> no i haven't
[09:16] <Godfath3r> i can't enjoy internet
[09:16] <Godfath3r> now infact i'm using windows
[09:16] <RawSewage> zorglu_, is this a possible fix for my Audacity crashing:   add:    @audio          -       rt_priority     100          to   /etc/security/limits.conf
[09:16] <Bubba_Gump> is your card listed here?
[09:16] <Bubba_Gump> !wifi
[09:16] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:18] <RawSewage> zorglu_, oh well, I'll give it a try
[09:18] <honest> how do i change directory
[09:18] <scion> cd
[09:18] <honest> would it be somethibng like cd /temp?
[09:18] <Bubba_Gump> cd
[09:18] <Bubba_Gump> aye
[09:18] <honest> if the folder i wanted to move into was called temp?
[09:19] <Bubba_Gump> yeah
[09:19] <sparr> I installed Edgy and 3d acceleration on my i865 worked.  Then I did some unspecified things.  Then I rebooted, and now 3d acceleration does not work.  What things may I have done wrong, how would I tell which of them is the culprit, and how can I fix it?
[09:19] <Bubba_Gump> cd /home (to get into the home dir)
[09:19] <Bubba_Gump> sparr: well, what was the first thing?
[09:19] <honest> "honest@honest-desktop:~$ cd /Temp"
[09:20] <honest> "bash: cd: /Temp: No such file or directory"
[09:20] <honest> there is a directory called temp
[09:20] <pacou> honest: Temp doesn't exist. temp does
[09:20] <pacou> Temp and  temp is not the same in linux
[09:20] <sparr> Bubba_Gump: an Adept 'update'
[09:20] <honest> i know, i've tried both
[09:20] <honest> honest@honest-desktop:~$ dir
[09:20] <honest> Desktop  Examples  Temp
[09:20] <fjsanchez> Hello
[09:20] <Bubba_Gump> sparr: which updates?
[09:21] <sparr> Bubba_Gump: whichever ones it picked.  i assume it did the equivalent of "apt-get upgrade"
[09:21] <pacou> honest: if there's a dir called "Temp" in your home dir, type cd Temp without the slash. the slash tells you the dir is in root (i.e. /)
[09:21] <honest> pa
[09:21] <FJ_Sanchez> How can I change the font of Firefox? I mean the application font
[09:21] <honest> pacou: cheers for that] 
[09:22] <sparr> FJ_Sanchez: edit, preferences, content, font/Advanced
[09:22] <markelhas> plz, can any one send the original source.list from kubuntu 6.10?
[09:23] <Bubba_Gump> sparr: did you safe update or update?
[09:23] <FJ_Sanchez> sparr but I want to change the font of the menubar and this stuff
[09:23] <sparr> Bubba_Gump: safe update isnt available in the default edgy adept (i added it to the menu later)
[09:23] <sparr> FJ_Sanchez: install a different theme
[09:23] <honest> I'm having issues with ndiswrapper
[09:23] <markelhas> plz i really need it
[09:23] <honest> does anyone know it well?
[09:23] <Bubba_Gump> FJ_Sanchez: K> system settings> appearance> fonts
[09:23] <markelhas> any one!?
[09:23] <FJ_Sanchez> I click on "Install scrollbar fix" in the Sistem Settings of KDE
[09:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra> zorglu_: wrt freenx, do you know if there is a working edgy repository, or if the dapper rep will work with edge?
[09:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra> *edgy
[09:24] <FJ_Sanchez> Bubba_Gump: all my apps have the correct font but Firefox, it's too big
[09:24] <Bubba_Gump> try ctrl -
[09:24] <Bubba_Gump> actually in firefox
[09:24] <FJ_Sanchez> No the web page, the menu bar
[09:24] <markelhas> Lerneaen_Hydra: can u send me your source.list
[09:24] <Bubba_Gump> sparr: you could install edgy again, and, then select each from the list
[09:25] <sam__> help setup according to ubuntu wiki try to see network get this - Unable to find any workgroups in your local network. This might be caused by an enabled firewall
[09:25] <Lerneaen_Hydra> markelhas: ok
[09:25] <Bubba_Gump> sparrL and go for a manual update
[09:25] <markelhas> Lerneaen_Hydra: it's from kubuntu 6.10?
[09:25] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yeah
[09:25] <sparr> Bubba_Gump: tempting
[09:25] <markelhas> Lerneaen_Hydra: edgy
[09:25] <Bubba_Gump> FJ_Sanchez: how do you mean the menubar?
[09:25] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I've uncommented universe multiverse though
[09:26] <markelhas> Lerneaen_Hydra: oki i'll put it again
[09:26] <FJ_Sanchez> Bubba_Gump: I think the problem is that I installed the fix that you can do from appearance menu in System Settings
[09:26] <FJ_Sanchez> After this the font is too big
[09:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> markelhas: pastebin.ca/240567
[09:26] <honest> someone tell me this, it tells me if i have to be in root terminal to install something but i cant copy file into root to install them, how does this work?
[09:26] <Bubba_Gump> have you tried the ctrl - in a firefox browser?
[09:26] <markelhas> Lerneaen_Hydra: what's that!?
[09:27] <FJ_Sanchez> Bubba_Gump: this it to change the font size of the web page
[09:27] <Bubba_Gump> yeah
[09:27] <markelhas> Lerneaen_Hydra: sorry don't understand
[09:27] <sparr> honest: root terminal means you are logged in as the user 'root', not in the directory '/'
[09:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra> http://<that adress>
[09:27] <FJ_Sanchez> I don't want to change this font, I want to change the font of the top menu
[09:27] <FJ_Sanchez> Tools, Preferences, File, etc...
[09:27] <markelhas> Lerneaen_Hydra: oki
[09:27] <Bubba_Gump> ahh
[09:27] <Bubba_Gump> i see :)
[09:27] <honest> sparr: but if i do "DIR" if gives me the options of the root folder
[09:27] <Bubba_Gump> hold on
[09:27] <FJ_Sanchez> ;)
[09:28] <Bubba_Gump> FJ_Sanchez: K> System Settings> Appearance> Fonts> menu (change as desired)
[09:28] <markelhas> Lerneaen_Hydra: this is the orignal one?
[09:29] <FJ_Sanchez> Bubba_Gump: but this doesn't apply to Firefox, I don't know why
[09:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra> markelhas: pretty much AFAIR, with added multiverse/universe
[09:29] <markelhas> Lerneaen_Hydra: ok them thkns
[09:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra> np
[09:29] <honest> sparr: o see, running something as roon and actually being in root
[09:29] <Bubba_Gump> FJ_Sanchez: on the same settings bit, click GTK styles and fonts
[09:30] <Bubba_Gump> what does it say in GTK fonts?
[09:30] <honest> can someone help me try and understand why thius doesnt work
[09:30] <FJ_Sanchez> Use my KDE font
[09:30] <honest> honest@honest-desktop:~/Temp/FILES/DRIVERS/WINXP2K$ sudo ndiswrapper -i BCMWL5c.inf
[09:30] <honest> Installing bcmwl5c
[09:30] <honest> couldn't copy BCMWL5c.inf at /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper line 135.
[09:30] <Bubba_Gump> try, use another font
[09:30] <FJ_Sanchez> But I clicked the option in this tab that says Install scrollbar fix..
[09:31] <FJ_Sanchez> And after that all is wrong
[09:31] <FJ_Sanchez> I want to delete this fix
[09:32] <RawSewage> Can someone help me?  Audacity keeps crashing for no reason
[09:32] <sam__> help setup according to ubuntu wiki try to see network get this - Unable to find any workgroups in your local network. This might be caused by an enabled firewall
[09:32] <zorglu_> !info efence
[09:32] <ubotu> Package efence does not exist in any distro I know
[09:32] <zorglu_> doh!
[09:33] <Bubba_Gump> well
[09:33] <Bubba_Gump> i've just uninstalled firefox
[09:33] <Bubba_Gump> pressed the button
[09:33] <Bubba_Gump> and the menu text seems fine here
[09:33] <Bubba_Gump> after reinstalling it, of course ;)
[09:34] <FJ_Sanchez> Mmm
[09:34] <FJ_Sanchez> I've found something in a forum thread
[09:34] <Bubba_Gump> what's it say :)
[09:34] <honest> anyone know ndiswrapper well?
[09:34] <FJ_Sanchez> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=2207348&
[09:35] <FJ_Sanchez> I'll try to delete this lines
[09:35] <FJ_Sanchez> these lines
[09:35] <Bubba_Gump> yeah
[09:35] <Bubba_Gump> see what it does :)
[09:37] <honest> couldn't copy BCMWL5c.inf at /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper line 135.
[09:38] <honest> please help
[09:38] <honest> lol
[09:38] <FJ_Sanchez> This didn't help too much
[09:41] <sam__> help setup according to ubuntu wiki try to see network get this - Unable to find any workgroups in your local network. This might be caused by an enabled firewall
[09:42] <FJ_Sanchez> Bubba_Gump: it's working right
[09:42] <FJ_Sanchez> :D
[09:42] <FJ_Sanchez> But I have to choose font size 9 to get a font size 11
[09:42] <FJ_Sanchez> Quite weird
[09:42] <mluser-home> Where do I get the flash 9 package for ubuntu?
[09:43] <georgeb> !flash9
[09:43] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[09:43] <Bubba_Gump> easy come easy go :D
[09:45] <honest> if i create a root account, does anyone know the root password?
[09:49] <zorglu_> honest: the personn who typed it, else nobody
[09:49] <frank23> I'm having a strange issue: In kubuntu dapper, I'm running firefox 1.5 and mythtranscode at the same time. mythtranscode uses up all my CPU. when mythtranscode runs at nice=19, firefox is responsive and working fine. when mythtranscode runs at nice=17 (the default), firefox is so slow it's not usable. All the other programs run fine. Any ideas?
[09:49] <honest> Ok, sorry that was a stupid question
[09:50] <zorglu_> honest: better to ask most of the time
[09:50] <zorglu_> and here, it is all the time :)
[09:50] <mc_> what ports does apollon need opened?
[09:50] <scion> hello
[09:50] <honest> zorglu_: lol cheers, u dont know anything about ndiswrapper do u?
[09:50] <scion> anyone here good with Steam and wine?
[09:51] <sam__> exit
[09:51] <zorglu_> honest: nope, i dont use it
[09:51] <honest> : (
[09:51] <zorglu_> mc_: see their website
[09:51] <mc_> zorglu_: alright
[09:51] <zorglu_> honest: hang around or comeback later, some do
[09:52] <Tokeiito> after upgrade to 6.10: when i trying to lunch Zend Studio i'm geting error: http://paste.phphelp.lt/paste/299cb7452566b1277abfccde508c7ebe
[09:52] <scion> anyone here good with wine and counter strike?
[09:52] <Tokeiito> i've cheked, these libs are in /lib/ and /usr/lib/ dirs
[09:52] <zorglu_> maouaou network scheduling is a ... not an easy task :) (read a bitch)
[09:53] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: this is ultra specific, have you tried their dedicated channel ?
[09:53] <Tokeiito> they dont have it. its not OpenSource soft
[09:53] <zorglu_> zend is not the python stuff to do webite ?
[09:53] <B-Minus> is there a powermanagement for laptops in kubuntu ?
[09:53] <B-Minus> cant find it
[09:53] <Tokeiito> but on 6.06 evrything works. so why after upgreid it not works?
[09:54] <zorglu_> B-Minus: i installed it yesterday... dont remember the name
[09:54] <B-Minus> :(
[09:54] <zorglu_> !info kpowersave
[09:54] <ubotu> kpowersave: frontend to powersave for setting user specific policies. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.2-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 3216 kB, installed size 4984 kB
[09:54] <zorglu_> B-Minus: i think it is this one
[09:55] <yeti> i have a wmv8 video which i want to burn onto a videoCD or even better, a SVCD. is there any program that does this for me?
[09:55] <Tokeiito> zorglu_: no. its Java stuf
[09:55] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: ok im completly mistaken then
[09:55] <B-Minus> ubotu: tnx
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tnx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <zorglu_> B-Minus: ubotu is a bot, i triggered it via a command
[09:55] <frank23> yeti: I think you can use tovid to do that
[09:56] <FJ_Sanchez> Bubba_Gump: http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?s=9f82ef8290ac230ff11661dac9fa479d&showtopic=26055&pid=139680&st=0&#entry139680
[09:56] <FJ_Sanchez> The problem is still there
[09:56] <FJ_Sanchez> The change affected all my GTK apps
[09:56] <FJ_Sanchez> So now the other apps have a small fonts
[09:57] <B-Minus> zorglu_: tn
[09:57] <B-Minus> x
[09:57] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: dirname: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6 <- wow this is a path problem
[09:57] <yeti> frank23: i can't find tovid in the edgy/universe/multiverse repostitories
[09:57] <cpk1> you cant sudo cd?
[09:57] <honest> zorglu_: cheers
[09:57] <frank23> yeti: it may not be in the repositories
[09:58] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: type in a terminal "which dirname" and tell me the result
[09:58] <yeti> frank23: umm okay... i guess i'll just use ffmpeg then
[09:58] <frank23> yeti: http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
[09:58] <Tokeiito> zorglu_: /usr/bin/dirname
[09:58] <cpk1> yeti: kmediafactory might
[09:59] <zorglu_> ls /lib/libc.so.6 <- type that in a terminal Tokeiito
[09:59] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: and giveme the result
[10:00] <Tokeiito> zorglu_: /lib/libc.so.6
[10:00] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: ok what produced this list of error, did you launch a command ? if so which one
[10:01] <Tokeiito> i'm just lunch program which starts it :)
[10:01] <Tokeiito> exec script
[10:01] <Tokeiito> i can give source of it this helps
[10:02] <zorglu_> sudo ldconfig -v | grep libc.so.6 <- ok type this one now, Tokeiito
[10:02] <cpk1> trying to copy files from an ntfs drive as sudo yet I get "omitting directory" when i try it
[10:02] <zorglu_> cpk1: use -r option to copy all the subdirectory
[10:02] <zorglu_> cp -r /my/source/dir /other/dir/name
[10:03] <cpk1> zorglu_: thanks, trying that
[10:03] <Tokeiito> zorglu_: results paste here or in pastebin ?
[10:03] <marius__> Hello
[10:03] <marius__> 
[10:03] <Tokeiito> will be 4lines
[10:03] <marius__> somebody Uses YADe?
[10:03] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: yep, and put the exec script in another pastebin
[10:03] <marius__> alguien que use YADE?
[10:03] <marius__> necesito ayuda, por favo
[10:03] <zorglu_> marius__:
[10:04] <zorglu_> !es
[10:04] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:05] <bianconeri> having problems with vmware server...its not running i get this message from the terminal : '/usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libpng12.so.0/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2)'
[10:05] <Tokeiito> !paste
[10:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:05] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: my guess is the script play funky with the shared lib path, and got messeup
[10:05] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: nope this one is no good
[10:06] <Tokeiito> xm
[10:06] <zorglu_> http://paste.phphelp.lt/ <- Tokeiito try this one
[10:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra> zorglu_: do you happen to know of a windows client that works with freenx? (the free as in beer version (2.x) didn't work, as was said in the wiki)
[10:08] <zorglu_> Lerneaen_Hydra: nope.
[10:08] <zorglu_> freenx is good technology but poorly used for now
[10:08] <Tokeiito> zorglu_: ldconfig output: http://pastebin.ca/240663
[10:09] <zorglu_> lookin
[10:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> zorglu_: ah, I see
[10:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> zorglu_: do you know of any other similar protocoll?
[10:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> similar to freenx/vnc
[10:10] <zorglu_> Lerneaen_Hydra: well X forwarding via ssh, but you already know this one
[10:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yeah, not quite what I want (especially when over to a windows box)
[10:10] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: ok you do have the library zend is looking for
[10:11] <Nutz44> need help with lan between xp and kubuntu - using a router with 4 port hub - cannot see my network at ill in remote place -> samba share
[10:11] <zorglu_> !samba | Nutz44
[10:11] <ubotu> Nutz44: samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[10:11] <Tokeiito> zorglu_: script source: http://pastebin.ca/240668
[10:12] <zorglu_> lookin
[10:12] <Nutz44> already checked those sites but still no connection
[10:12] <Tokeiito> zorglu_: if it seems very mest up, i can upload it to my host
[10:13] <aurelius> hello
[10:14] <honest> does anyone know how to find the ID of a PCI device?
[10:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra> lspci?
[10:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> proably with some flag
[10:15] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: looked at it... failed to find anything
[10:17] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: ok the status is : the error you see are typical unix command line tools (dirname, grep, ls) failling to find basic shared library (libc.so.6, libpthread.so.0). BUT those library are present on your disk. thus somewhere the path to the shared library got messed up
[10:17] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: and i didnt found where
[10:22] <Tokeiito> zorglu_: then tere is some bug in 6.10 cose in 6.06 works perfect :(
[10:22] <zorglu_> well it is more likely just that the zend stuff is not compatible
[10:22] <Tokeiito> :)
[10:22] <Tokeiito> ye
[10:23] <honest> i need to find the PCI ID of a card in my box, does anyuone know how i would do such a thing?
[10:23] <Tokeiito> sad sad cose now i must downgrade to kubuntu 6.06
[10:23] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: you said it was commercial product, cant you ask them ?
[10:23] <zorglu_> well i prefere 6.06 personnaly :)
[10:23] <Tokeiito> i will
[10:23] <Tokeiito> zorglu_: why?
[10:23] <jonathan__> ff
[10:23] <Homer> yo
[10:24] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: i use my box to work. to try unstable version is not recommended :)
[10:24] <Homer> so what is the package to update KDE to 3.5.5 in dapper
[10:24] <Tokeiito> xm.. so 6.10 is unstable?
[10:24] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: well the definition is quite funky :) it is "stable AND on the edge" :)
[10:24] <Tokeiito> :) isee
[10:25] <Homer> !kde
[10:25] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[10:25] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: but it is impossible to be both at the same time. up to you to find the one you prefere :0
[10:25] <Tokeiito> zorglu_: ok thank you for the help. is there a way to reinstall kubuntu without formating HDD?
[10:25] <Homer> how do I update KDE to 3.5.5 in dapper?
[10:26] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: if i undersand what you mean by 'formating the disk', i would say no
[10:26] <h3sp4wn> Homer: see kubuntu.org
[10:26] <Homer> ?
[10:26] <zorglu_> Tokeiito: you can keep the partition thos
[10:26] <Homer> OK
[10:26] <h3sp4wn> Homer: It gives you a link to riddells key and the repo name and full instructions
[10:26] <Tokeiito> guff. all mine 80GB is one partition
[10:27] <Tokeiito> ok thanks will try to reboot on old linux image. maybe helps for wile
[10:27] <Tokeiito> good luck
[10:32] <dre> hi all
[10:32] <Admiral_Chicago> hello
[10:35] <Homer> I do I change KDE to show American time
[10:35] <letalis> Homer: what timezone?
[10:35] <willis_> Hmm..  got me a  BCM4318   wireless in this laptop. had it working under dapper some time back.. does the kernel in edgy include the modules for it now?  debatin updating to edgy in this laptop.. or keeping dapper. :)
[10:36] <georgeb> Homer: right click on the clock and adjust time&date for permanent change to the system timezone
[10:37] <georgeb> Homer: or right-click on the clock -> show timezone -> configure timezones to setup several timezones and see the time easily in those timezones without changing the system's timezone
[10:37] <Homer> that didn't change the time
[10:37] <Homer> I want it to say the time in AM/PM
[10:38] <Hawkwind> Homer: Adjust Time and Date and select the bottom option in the time configuration
[10:38] <BluesKaj> Homer, just foolaround with it ..it'll evetually work for ya :)
[10:39] <Mahmoud85> Homer : right on time > Date & Time format > Times & Dates > Time Format .. choose the one with AMPM
[10:39] <Homer> yeah did it
[10:39] <Homer> thanks
[10:39] <edulix> hi!
[10:40] <edulix> how can I configure kde so that when I change with ctrl+tab from desktop to desktop it goes first to previously visited desktops?
[10:40] <Hawkwind> FabioNET: Please don't announce your away messages publicly
[10:40] <Hawkwind> _FabioNET_: ^^^^^^
[10:40] <edulix> non-linear. I had that in my older instalation of kubuntu (dapper)
[10:41] <candyban> Hi guys ...
[10:41] <candyban> Has there been any "cool" new developments lately?
[10:41] <Homer> Kubuntu has become sentient!
[10:41] <Homer> finally
[10:41] <candyban> I sentient? (going to dictionary for that one)
[10:41] <_FabioNET_off> Hawkwind: what?
[10:42] <fdoving> candyban: checkout basket - http://basket.kde.org/
[10:42] <candyban> sentient \SEN-shee-uhnt; -tee-; -shuhnt\, adjective:
[10:42] <candyban>   1. Capable of perceiving by the senses; conscious.
[10:42] <candyban>  2. Experiencing sensation or feeling.
[10:43] <jende_> Howdy folksy
[10:43] <zorglu_> sensation like 'wow it is hot' ?
[10:43] <letalis> sentient?
[10:44] <letalis> thats going a little far.
[10:44] <letalis> lol
[10:44] <jende_> Hawkwind: hi there
[10:44] <jende_> fdoving: hi again
[10:45] <jende_> has anyone of you seen any probs with mysql 5.0 on edgy?
[10:45] <candyban> Can anyone point to a good site where they have progress on some "cool" pieces of software? (e.g. cairo, aiglx, xglx, compiz, kde4, samba4, ...)
[10:45] <BluesKaj> hey jende_...did ya find K9Copy ?
[10:46] <jende_> BluesKaj: sure did
[10:46] <BluesKaj> works ?
[10:46] <jende_> BluesKaj: have posted the errormessages to the developer
[10:46] <jende_> BluesKaj: nops...*grrrrrrrrr*
[10:46] <BluesKaj> bummer
[10:46] <jende_> BluesKaj: indeed
[10:46] <rojikaru> I need help.
[10:46] <BluesKaj> how about devede24?
[10:47] <BluesKaj> rojikaru, just ask
[10:48] <rojikaru> How do i get the alsamixer working after i've done, grep snd-card /etc/modules
[10:48] <jende_> BluesKaj: I have installed it, but hadn't had a real look at it as yet
[10:49] <sbrandollo> cucU
[10:50] <sbrandollo> There are italian?
[10:50] <jende_> !it
[10:50] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:51] <jende_> rojikaru: what do you mean? I don't get you
[10:51] <sbrandollo> thanks
[10:51] <jende_> rojikaru: sudo alsamixer
[10:51] <jende_> sbrandollo: no worries
[10:52] <Kim^J> OMFG! Why THE HELL DID SOMEONE BROKE SPEEDCRUNCH?!?!?!!?!?
[10:52] <Kim^J> It can't count.
[10:52] <Kim^J> It's friggin useless.
[10:53] <zorglu_> !language
[10:53] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:53] <Kim^J> Fix my Speedcrunch. NOW!
[10:54] <zorglu_> please behave
[10:54] <Kim^J> Why do we have a useless calculator?!
[10:54] <Homer> what is that cool console program from KDE used
[10:54] <Homer> yakakae
[10:54] <fdoving> Kim^J: what's wrong with it?
[10:54] <Homer> or something
[10:54] <omicron_> yakuake ;)
[10:54] <Kim^J> fdoving: It saying 255*255*255 is 1.65.....
[10:54] <sbrandollo> !it
[10:55] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:55] <zorglu_> hehehe :)
[10:55] <fdoving> Kim^J: isn't it?
[10:55] <zorglu_> damn i dont understand, so i will be agressive, this will solve all my problems :)
[10:55] <Kim^J> fdoving: No... In my world the thing after . is decimals.
[10:55] <narian> sorry to ask such a borring question, but is there any working DVD-rip app with a nice GUI for KDE? or better yet, at all?
[10:56] <fdoving> Kim^J: the answer is
[10:56] <zorglu_> !k3b | narian
[10:56] <ubotu> narian: k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[10:56] <fdoving> Kim^J:
[10:56] <fdoving> ehm..
[10:56] <jende_> narian: k9copy
[10:56] <jende_> narian: dvd::rip
[10:56] <zorglu_> narian: sorry you meant rip
[10:57] <fdoving> Kim^J: i can't paste normally, but it's 16581375
[10:57] <fdoving> Kim^J: that's the same as 1.6581375e7
[10:57] <narian> jende_: witch is the better you think?
[10:57] <Kim^J> In my world no.
[10:57] <marius__> #kubuntu-es
[10:57] <jende_> narian: dunno
[10:57] <zorglu_> not in his world :)
[10:57] <Kim^J> Why put a friggin dot there?!?!?
[10:57] <zorglu_> Kim^J: well it is ok, math is not for your world :)
[10:57] <yeti> Kim^J: e7 means *10^7
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> Kim^J: Because its in standard form which is exactly what it should do
[10:58] <zorglu_> Kim^J: yell more to the computer, it will remove the dot out of fear :)
[10:58] <zorglu_> it is too late for a tough customer :)
[10:59] <yeti> zorglu_: well... representing the product of two integers as a floating point number is not math at all, it was invented by evil compscientists because their microschips were too dumb to correctly multiply arbitrarly large integers in useful time ;)
[11:00] <fdoving> Kim^J: if you don't want this feature, turn it off. 'view -> fixed decimal' inside speedcrunch. And next time, ask politely.
[11:00] <zorglu_> yeti: more like because unlimited memory was not yet available :)
[11:00] <Kim^J> ah thank you.
[11:02] <yeti> zorglu_: 1E7 notation doesnt solve this problem, it alleviates it though ;)
[11:02] <zorglu_> yep and 1e7 is a math notation :)
[11:03] <zorglu_> official and stuff :)
[11:03] <yeti> i've never seen a mathematical paper that says "1e7". they say "1*10^7".
[11:03] <flaccid> anybody else have splash progress meter moved to bottom left corner of screen?
[11:03] <zorglu_> well you need to meet efficient mathematicians :)
[11:04] <zorglu_> 1e7 shorted and more readable that 1*10^7 :)
[11:04] <yeti> zorglu_: and by mathematical paper, i mean real mathematics, not evel numericians ;)
[11:04] <yeti> evil*
[11:04] <zorglu_> me i mean people in front of a blackboard doing math :)
[11:05] <yeti> show my a book on number theory that gives evaluated bounds for theorems in 1e7 notation ;)
[11:05] <zorglu_> maouaouaoua
[11:05] <georgeb> yeti: depends.. if was writen in word or latex :)
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> e is something else so it doesn't really make any sense
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> (or could mean 2 things)
[11:05] <yeti> georgeb: lol
[11:06] <zorglu_> yep exponantial
[11:06] <zorglu_> but it is not like math got clean notation :)
[11:06] <Homer> e is natural log no?
[11:06] <h3sp4wn> e is a number 2.71828183.............
[11:06] <georgeb> Homer: for mathematicians it might, for everybody else is a vowel
[11:07] <dennister> hello ppls :)
[11:07] <zorglu_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_%28mathematical_constant%29#Non-mathematical_uses_of_e
[11:07] <zorglu_> The exponential function f(x) = e^x
[11:08] <zorglu_> The mathematical constant e is the base of the natural logarithm.
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> But e is just a number
[11:08] <Homer> speechcrunch is pretty hot
[11:08] <dennister> ok, the edgy i386 went fairly smoothly
[11:08] <Homer> can I get speechcrunch as a library?
[11:09] <georgeb> zorglu_: dude, stop giving us links like that, without a warning, I still have to take a math exam and now I feel so guilty :)
[11:09] <zorglu_> hehe :)
[11:09] <dennister> where i could use some help now is the nvdia-glx install...konsole keeps giving me an error
[11:09] <Tokeiito> what tool is the best for partitioning HDD, when in the HDD are information.
[11:09] <georgeb> zorglu_: seeing all those formulas, I think I'll have a nightmare with all my math teachears this night
[11:09] <Homer> wikipedia is like the worst place to learn about math
[11:09] <zorglu_> q. whtat is the name of the 1 * 10 ^ 7 notation ?
[11:10] <h3sp4wn> zorglu_: standard form
[11:10] <Homer> the math editors don't even try to sound normal
[11:10] <zorglu_> h3sp4wn: it doesnt please wikipedia, any other ?
[11:10] <dennister> i installed the linux-restricted, rebooted, then the nvidia-glx, then tried the command nvidia-glx-config enable...but nada
[11:10] <georgeb> Tokeiito: you can try Gparted live CD http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php; still, nothing is 100% reliable, a backup might be usefull :)
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> zorglu_: but you would write it as 1 x 10 (but I dunno how to to 7)
[11:11] <zorglu_> my bad
[11:11] <Homer> ww speechcrunch is awesome
[11:11] <Homer> speed
[11:11] <Homer> wow
[11:11] <dennister> can anyone help me with this?
[11:11] <Homer> I want the math library behind it!
[11:11] <yeti> Homer: what do you mean by "try to sound normal"? i guess you can't explain principal ideals or skew fields and "sound normal" ;)
[11:11] <shadowhywind> hay all i am having a werid problem, My wireless is so extremely slow
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> shadowhywind: using decent antennas ? (first thing to change)
[11:11] <zorglu_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_notation#Exponential_notation <- blahhhhhhhhhhh i win!!! :)
[11:12] <Tokeiito> georgeb: so for Ubuntu there is nothing like windows Partition Magic?
[11:12] <zorglu_> yeti: and you lose!!! :)
[11:12] <shadowhywind> Tokeitto try qtparted, or qparted
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> zorglu_: You lose because its a capital E
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> zorglu_: e is (the number)
[11:13] <zorglu_> nope scrushy use E
[11:13] <yeti> zorglu_: so why do i lose? it says that calculators and computer programs use it. i have never denied thay do.
[11:13] <zorglu_> me i did irc math :)
[11:13] <georgeb> Tokeiito: there is also gparted in the repos
[11:13] <dennister> this is the error message i've gotten twice now: Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[11:13] <zorglu_> yeti: because it is official notation
[11:13] <Tokeiito> thankyou
[11:13] <Homer> wow speechcruch is the s**t
[11:14] <Homer> seriously what library does it use to solve problems
[11:14] <Homer> I want it
[11:14] <zorglu_> i dont even know what is speed scruch :)
[11:14] <nekomata> during the upgrade, how bad is it if it throws a load of unresolved dependancies at you? (amarok, kcontrol, kdesktop, konqueror, various other video players) are they to be expected?
[11:14] <yeti> zorglu_: and where exactly have i denied that it is some sort of official notation? i just said that serious math like number theory would never use it ;)
[11:14] <dennister> nekomata: pretty serious
[11:14] <Homer> I hate math
[11:15] <zorglu_> yeti: moauaoua :) ok now lets define 'seriousness' :)
[11:15] <dennister> you shouldn't have any unresolved dependencies
[11:15] <Homer> and I am a CS major
[11:15] <dennister> try this: apt-get install -f
[11:15] <zorglu_> yeti: ... sore loser and that's it :)
[11:15] <yeti> Homer: math rocks ;)
[11:15] <Homer> eww no it doesn't
[11:15] <Homer> I will say it is better then learning shakespeare though
[11:15] <yeti> zorglu_: okay, you win, i hereby award you a golden pineapple and admit i was not right :)
[11:16] <dennister> nahhhhhh shakespeare's the best!
[11:16] <zorglu_> yeti: you said it :)
[11:16] <Homer> or any college level english class
[11:16] <yeti> zorglu_: now take back that "sore loser" thing ;)
[11:16] <dennister> <-----English major here
[11:16] <Homer> ewww
[11:16] <Homer> I barf on you!
[11:16] <dennister> rofl
[11:16] <zorglu_> yeti: hmm ok :) you are a good loser :)
[11:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Homer: if you like speedcrunch take a look at qalculate
[11:16] <dennister> i love my lit...sorry
[11:17] <h3sp4wn> Using vector's instead of trigonometry in code leads to it running much faster
[11:17] <dennister> math was just too easy
[11:17] <Homer> english is just to silly
[11:17] <Homer> write a 6 page paper on "Africanism in Miltons Paradise Lost"
[11:17] <dennister> lol...the ambiguosity is the challenge
[11:17] <icheyne> hi all. I'm looking at buying a video card and I want to know the most "ideologically correct" one to go for. This page lists some options but are any of these any good? http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/video
[11:18] <Homer> english major = proves you are good at BSing
[11:18] <Homer> english professors are masters in BS
[11:18] <garrin> hey, can anyone tell me why input fields look so bad in firefox in linux
[11:18] <dennister> icheyne: stay away from ati...go nvdia
[11:18] <yeti> icheyne: well, those intel chips are all onboard chips, you can't actually buy cards that use those.
[11:19] <icheyne> oh ok
[11:19] <zorglu_> i wrote a 30page paper on how computer WILL become smarter than human race, how they will evolve at exponantial speed (moore law) and why we should destroy them in order to preserve human race :)
[11:19] <dennister> ati has virtually nooooo linux support
[11:19] <yeti> icheyne: ati does not supply OSS drivers either, though there is a OSS driver project by the community
[11:19] <zorglu_> and made a 1hour talk about this :)
[11:19] <icheyne> this is for a new PC so maybe I should go for an onboard chip
[11:19] <Homer> see that's a cool paper
[11:19] <dennister> my favourite paper ever was "Nietsche, music, and The Wall"
[11:19] <icheyne> yeti, do you know if the OSS driver supports any decent cards?
[11:19] <yeti> icheyne: so go for nvidia. their drivers are not OSS, but they are free as in they don't cost you anything, and they're quite good for linux
[11:19] <nekomata> I'd say choosing nvidia over ati is a smart choice regardless of OS
[11:20] <Homer> english major write about "use of silence in metaphysical literature"
[11:20] <nekomata> ati just seems to cause problems ;.;
[11:20] <georgeb> zorglu_: moore's law is more like a guess; someday this will stop
[11:20] <icheyne> thanks guys
[11:20] <dennister> whenever i get my htpc working wtih linux, ok?
[11:20] <zorglu_> georgeb: they started saying that in early 90's :)
[11:20] <Tokeiito> but as i see qtparted dont have function resize partition :|
[11:20] <icheyne> I've got an nvidia card now but I'm just wondering what I should get in a new machine
[11:21] <icheyne> I suppose I should go for one of the Intel onboard chips as I'm not too much of a gamer
[11:21] <zorglu_> georgeb: i guess it will stop tho, but funny they said that for 15years :)
[11:21] <dennister> ati should be firebombed..except i have some slim hope they'll improve since amd boutght them
[11:21] <georgeb> zorglu_: now they have some more solid reasons :) like power usage, heat stuff & friends
[11:21] <yeti> icheyne: i'm unsure, but it's very unlikely. additionally you're not doing an "ideologically good" thing by buying ATI. buy nvidia, it's not "really ideologically good" either, but it will get you speed and stability for your money even if you have to use a non-OSS driver
[11:21] <Tokeiito> so it's imposible to resize mine system partition withot loosing data on int
[11:21] <Tokeiito> *it
[11:21] <firebird619> I downloaded Flashplayer 9 beta from Adobe today and the readme says place the file in the Plugins directory for the browser you use. Where is the default Plugins directory for Konqueror? Firefox?
[11:21] <nekomata> dennister: meanwhile I fear that they will infect AMD ;.;
[11:21] <zorglu_> georgeb: but once moore stops, you can just increase the size.
[11:21] <yeti> icheyne: and _in my opinion_, it's just silly to buy a card that costs more and is slower just because they have OSS drivers.
[11:22] <dennister> they better not...ati had some of the worst ethics on top of no-linux attitude
[11:22] <zorglu_> georgeb: imagine all computer of the internet acting as a single cpu :)
[11:22] <zorglu_> georgeb: just to give an idea of what the 'size' parameter may bring
[11:22] <icheyne> yeti, I suppose I could chose something slightly evil if I got to play Quake 4! ;)
[11:22] <nekomata> dennister: that -f seems to have fixed it thanks
[11:23] <dennister> and while we're on the subject of nvidia is better on linux...can anyone help me install the driver into my new edgy installation?
[11:23] <georgeb> zorglu_: yep; here's a intereseting article related to this: http://www.informit.com/articles/printerfriendly.asp?p=663085&rl=1
[11:23] <yeti> icheyne: if you want to play quake4, buy nvidia, full stop. ;)
[11:23] <dennister> ur welcome nekomata
[11:23] <icheyne> :oP
[11:23] <dennister> feels proud of herself she could help *somebody*
[11:23] <garrin> is there a way to change the style of the input boxes and other form elements for firefox
[11:24] <dennister> <--3mth noob
[11:24] <georgeb> zorglu_: regarding all computers in the world.. hmm.. I was just thinking how big is the CPU usage caused by antiviruses on all windows systems in the world :)
[11:24] <nekomata> oops, just realised that I should probably do that install line again
[11:24] <zorglu_> georgeb: hehe :) imagine how to exploit all the idle time too :)
[11:24] <georgeb> zorglu_: and also, regarding the earlier math problem, it reminds me of http://www.themathlab.com/geometry/funnyproofs.htm   #12 in the list :)
[11:25] <dennister> perhaps this will help me get some help?
[11:25] <dennister> much better: anyone install the nvidia driver on edgy yet? i'm having unexplained errors
[11:26] <BluesKaj> zorglu_, should we linux users worry about spyware , and viruses ?
[11:26] <yeti> dennister: what's the problem? i upgraded from dapper to edgy and had no problems with it, if i remember correctly
[11:26] <shadowhywind_> can anyone help with some slow iwireless speeds? any ideas?
[11:26] <yeti> BluesKaj: you should ALWAYS worry in terms of never do anything stupid like installing software from unknown sources where you can't verify the source code
[11:27] <dennister> yeti: i installed the right kernel, rebooted, then the nvdia-glx, then in konsole did the command: nvdia-glx-config enable
[11:27] <shadowhywind_> connects to the wireless router fine, but not any website
[11:27] <georgeb> firebird619: for mozilla ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[11:27] <BluesKaj> yeti, verify the source code ?...gimme a break
[11:28] <dennister> but konsole keeps telling me: Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[11:28] <moma82> hi
[11:28] <firebird619> georgeb: Ok, what about Konqueror, firefox hasn't been working right, I open it and seconds later it closes.
[11:28] <moma82> may someone help me with synce and my htc prophet ppc
[11:28] <yeti> BluesKaj: well, what i meant to say is: if someone tells you: "test this program, its leet!" and gives you a link to some weird ftp server, then don't let any of this stuff gain root privileges
[11:28] <moma82> i want to connect my ppc with my kubuntu
[11:28] <moma82> but i dont know how can i do it
[11:29] <yeti> BluesKaj: but with software from the repositories, i don't think you need to worry
[11:29] <moma82> i found some pages
[11:29] <moma82> but its a liitle bit to difficult for me
[11:29] <yeti> dennister: hmmm... did you install nvidia-glx from the repositories?
[11:29] <letalis> anyone else using kopete and unable to connect to either aim or icq?
[11:29] <dennister> yes i did...thru apt-get
[11:30] <dennister> oh no...it was synaptic
[11:30] <yeti> dennister: did you also install nvidia-kernel-common?
[11:30] <dennister> yep
[11:30] <yeti> mhhh
[11:30] <icheyne> dennister, did you replace nv with nvidia in your xorg.conf?
[11:31] <dennister> nope...not yet...was about to but got nervous
[11:31] <icheyne> that fixed it for me
[11:31] <icheyne> I did it 30 minutes ago and it worked fine
[11:32] <dennister> keep the quotes surrounding 'vesa' and just replace vesa with nvidia?
[11:32] <icheyne> umm
[11:32] <icheyne> no
[11:32] <icheyne> just do a fine and replace with nv to nvidia
[11:32] <icheyne> find
[11:33] <dennister> ...will try
[11:33] <icheyne> then I did this - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg which completely fixed me - got me 1280x1024 at 85htz refresh rate
[11:34] <Tokeiito> in kubuntu-live cd there is gparted or smth like that?
[11:34] <dennister> well there seems to be no 'nv' at all in my xorg.conf file
[11:34] <georgeb> firebird619: it automatically searches the mozilla plugin folder, in konqueror go to Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> plugins, and you can see a list of folders it checks for plugins and a list o plugins already found
[11:35] <firebird619> georgeb: Ok, Thanks for your help.
[11:36] <georgeb> firebird619: np
[11:36] <candyban> Hmmz ... how can I add the latest wine sources to my apt? (I added the lines in my sources.list, apt-get update, but it still says 0.9.22 instead of 0.9.24)
[11:36] <georgeb> !wine
[11:36] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[11:36] <georgeb> !atm
[11:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about atm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <georgeb> huh ? what's zennix ? he tries to get me drunk :)
[11:37] <dennister> hmmm...why is there no 'nv' at all in my conf file?...graphics was detected at start as an nvdia
[11:37] <candyban> georgeb: I did all that ...
[11:38] <candyban> georgeb: "Ign http://wine.budgetdedicated.com edgy/main Package"
[11:39] <dennister> aha! methinks it was because i forgot to change it at all in control center
[11:39] <icheyne> dennister, did you do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[11:39] <dennister> no...this is the first i heard u had to do this
[11:40] <dennister> let me change the card from vesa to nv in control center first, then xorg might have the 'nv' instead of 'vesa'...then it might all work
[11:40] <icheyne> it's worth a try
[11:40] <icheyne> select nvidia for graphics
[11:40] <icheyne> and choose the defaults
[11:40] <georgeb> candyban: what' s ign ?
[11:40] <icheyne> the monitor autodetect and simple options are generally OK
[11:40] <icheyne> dennister, ok
[11:40] <candyban> When I run apt-get update
[11:40] <candyban> It says ign (I think ignore?)
[11:41] <IceD> hello
[11:41] <IceD> is there any guide about adsl setup?
[11:41] <digivore> does anyone know if i can partition a flash drive?
[11:42] <bLaZeD> can anyone help me with this http://pastebin.ulteo.us/201
[11:42] <georgeb> candyban: try apt-cache madison wine to see in wich repos wine is found
[11:43] <dennister> hi bLaZeD
[11:43] <dennister> bbs...will have to reboot
[11:43] <dennister> or restart anyway
[11:44] <bLaZeD> dennister, hello...i have to reboot?
[11:44] <georgeb> candyban: try apt-get install wine=0.9.24~winehq0~ubuntu~6.10-1
[11:47] <candyban> georgeb: How come it tries to install 0.9.22 by default? (even though I have it pinned)
[11:47] <edgar> acabo de instlar ubuntu
[11:47] <ubuntu> hi
[11:47] <candyban> ah ... because it can't be authenticated?
[11:47] <ubuntu> selam trk varm aranzda
[11:48] <edgar> poner respositorios alguien me oude ayudar
[11:49] <candyban> edgar: many thanks :)
[11:49] <georgeb> !br
[11:49] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[11:50] <ubuntu> can you hear me?:D
[11:50] <ubuntu> esesssssssssssss?
[11:51] <georgeb> !tk | ubuntu
[11:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:51] <georgeb> !tr | ubuntu
[11:51] <ubotu> ubuntu: Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[11:56] <moma82> join #synce
[11:57] <mc_> i have 2 sound cards,how do set the default one?
[11:58] <mc_> nevermind
[11:58] <moma82> #ppc
[12:02] <dennister> ok...no joy
[12:03] <dennister> hi coreymon
[12:03] <superkirbyartist> I need help.  Kubuntu boots on PowerPC, splash screen, but no desktop :-(.
[12:03] <dennister> get in line superkirbyartist :)
[12:04] <dennister> j/k
[12:04] <superkirbyartist> But really.
[12:04] <dennister> i still can't seem to get the nvidia-glx isntalled properly in this edgy
[12:04] <superkirbyartist> I really need to find out what's wrong.  iMac G3.
[12:04] <dennister> anyone?
[12:05] <dennister> i understand superkirbyartist, i'm where u are, and that's what we're here for: to help
[12:05] <dennister> although i can't say i help much...too much of a noob
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> dennister:  hmm. i had no issues with nvidia-glx stuff and edgy.. on a clean install
[12:05] <dennister> this is a clean install too
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> install a few pacakges, run that one command.. restart X server.
[12:06] <superkirbyartist> Anyone can help me get on my startx desktop?
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> I guess basic trouble shooting.. try 'startx' in a console and see whar error messages show up./
[12:06] <dennister> ok...i'll try to install some more...
[12:06] <superkirbyartist> None.
[12:07] <superkirbyartist> Black screen after splash bar all the way full.
[12:07] <superkirbyartist> ?
[12:07] <superkirbyartist> Dr Willis?
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> disable the annoying splash, and framebuffers. with the 'nosplash' and 'nofb' options , by editing the grub menu kernel= lines.
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> I cant tell much untill we get some information/error messages/
[12:08] <superkirbyartist> I have Yaboot on powerpc.
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> One of the many reasons i hate all tis eye candy..
[12:08] <superkirbyartist> No GRUB
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> superkirbyartist:  no idea aboyt Yaboot or if you can edit the boot lines.. id hope so.. if not.. well time to learn how to boot to single user mode i guess.
[12:09] <superkirbyartist> ?
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> basicially we need to get to a working console, then start trouble shooting.
[12:09] <superkirbyartist> I can get a console.
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> at the console then, try 'startx' and see what error messages show up.
[12:10] <superkirbyartist> If I type startx the splash loads.
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> so it seem,s to try to load kde, then hangs eh?
[12:10] <superkirbyartist> Black screen, yes.
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> use alt-ctrl-backspace to kill X. and try the command 'X'
[12:11] <superkirbyartist> Maybe it's a problem with the internal monitor.  Be right back.
[12:11] <superkirbyartist> Sure.
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> see if ya get a screen and a CUrsor.