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| DanaG | hmm, what I'm looking for: a Metacity theme that actually matches the Human GTK theme. | 08:30 |
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| DanaG | The Human metacity theme is not close enough, for my tastes at least. | 08:30 |
| klepas | DanaG: one site | 08:32 |
| klepas | http://www.gnome-look.org | 08:32 |
| DanaG | I've looked, but I haven't found anything 'just right' | 08:32 |
| klepas | check out Murrine and Candido | 08:33 |
| klepas | while you're at it you might even switch to their respective gtk themes and engines | 08:34 |
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| DanaG | eeh, it's the Ubuntulooks GTK theme that I like. | 08:36 |
| DanaG | Though, if I could get the old Clearlooks with the new orange, that would be nice too. | 08:36 |
| DanaG | I think it's actually the GTK theme that's setting the Metacity theme's colors. | 08:37 |
| klepas | you can edit the gtkrc files in the themes | 08:39 |
| klepas | for whatever colours you want | 08:39 |
| DanaG | oh, good point there... | 08:40 |
| DanaG | but which entry is it? | 08:40 |
| DanaG | s/entry/definition/ (or whatever you call it) | 08:40 |
| klepas | that, i don't know :o) | 08:47 |
| klepas | use a desktop colour picker to find out what it is you want to edit | 08:48 |
| klepas | and then find that hex entry in the file | 08:48 |
| DanaG | The metacity theme is a gradient, so it'd be tricky. | 08:49 |
| klepas | that would be an image then | 08:49 |
| klepas | open it up in gimp and edit it :) | 08:49 |
| DanaG | There aren't any pixmaps of any type I can recognize. | 08:50 |
| klepas | then it must be a cairo thing | 08:57 |
| DanaG | Yeah. | 08:57 |
| klepas | all down in the metacity configuration file | 08:57 |
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| Entity411 | hello | 03:54 |
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| troy_s | greetz trae | 06:00 |
| Trae | howdy | 06:01 |
| Trae | man | 06:01 |
| Trae | I've been having some bad computer days | 06:01 |
| Trae | heh | 06:01 |
| Trae | @%@%$% boxes are dying on me left and right | 06:01 |
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| kwwii | howdy from sunny california | 08:12 |
| BHSPitLappy | howdy is our word! -Texas | 08:36 |
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| troy_s | how goes mv kwwii? | 09:10 |
| kwwii | howdy troy_s | 09:11 |
| kwwii | good, good...enjoying the UDS as best as possible | 09:12 |
| troy_s | as best as possible? | 09:12 |
| kwwii | troy_s: how are things with you? | 09:12 |
| troy_s | busy as feck. | 09:12 |
| kwwii | I was kinda sad to see that no ubuntu artwork people came here | 09:12 |
| kwwii | troy_s: hehe, better too much work than too little :-) | 09:13 |
| troy_s | hasn't been my experience of late. | 09:13 |
| troy_s | ;) | 09:13 |
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| somerville32 | Hi :) | 09:27 |
| troy_s | kwwii anything new on the table? | 09:27 |
| troy_s | hi somerville32 | 09:27 |
| somerville32 | Do you guys know who is doing Xubuntu artwork? | 09:28 |
| troy_s | yes | 09:28 |
| troy_s | josef mak | 09:28 |
| somerville32 | Is he here? :] | 09:28 |
| troy_s | no, but you can reach him via his launchpad email | 09:28 |
| somerville32 | Alrighty. Thanks :] | 09:29 |
| troy_s | np | 09:29 |
| kwwii | troy_s: not too much, I was hoping on perfecting the process stuff | 09:30 |
| troy_s | not going to happen | 09:30 |
| troy_s | ;) | 09:30 |
| kwwii | troy_s: I made 5 specs before this began | 09:30 |
| kwwii | troy_s: why? do you think it is perfect? | 09:30 |
| troy_s | well... | 09:30 |
| somerville32 | Troy_s: Do you have a link to his launchpad page? | 09:31 |
| troy_s | it has more to do with the reality of ubuntu artwork | 09:31 |
| troy_s | but it is basically a distilled translation from design 101. | 09:32 |
| troy_s | somerville32: look under the ubuntu-art list | 09:32 |
| troy_s | he is on there somewhere | 09:32 |
| kwwii | troy_s: yeah, I agree with the basics, but very apparently (after edgy) there still needs to be some fine-tuning to make it reality | 09:33 |
| somerville32 | Alrighty | 09:33 |
| troy_s | not really | 09:33 |
| somerville32 | Is it this guy?: https://launchpad.net/people/joz-mak | 09:33 |
| troy_s | the primary problem with edgy | 09:33 |
| troy_s | was the reality of sabdfl as head designer | 09:33 |
| troy_s | somerville32: yes. | 09:34 |
| troy_s | kwwii there is zero need for a process in ubuntu art, because there is zero destination. | 09:34 |
| troy_s | at least currently. | 09:34 |
| kwwii | hehe | 09:34 |
| somerville32 | Alrighty. Thanks :) | 09:34 |
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| troy_s | but that will take sabdfl some further research and learning. | 09:34 |
| troy_s | i was discussing ubuntu with a couple of folks -- one from 'the drawing board' and the others were two art directors. | 09:35 |
| troy_s | those are probably heavier credits than you are going to find _anywhere_ in the open source community. | 09:36 |
| kwwii | hehe | 09:36 |
| troy_s | and the result was largely the same -- you can only get to where the client wishes to go. | 09:36 |
| kwwii | yeah, I must say that I definitely saw all this coming | 09:36 |
| troy_s | not at all... | 09:36 |
| troy_s | that's rather .... 20 20 hindsight. | 09:36 |
| troy_s | without client participation, it is impossible to follow design through. | 09:37 |
| troy_s | and that fact was made clear at various points, but one can only do so much. | 09:38 |
| kwwii | totally true | 09:38 |
| kwwii | I sent mark several mails (a while ago) saying exactly that | 09:38 |
| kwwii | but anyway | 09:38 |
| troy_s | well... there was a _lot_ of email :) | 09:39 |
| troy_s | the problem largely lies in lack of experience with design development, lack of participation, and a tendency to apply 'learned' processes to another sphere (micromanaging) | 09:39 |
| troy_s | dare i say start with the three c's of design: | 09:40 |
| troy_s | concept | 09:40 |
| troy_s | components | 09:40 |
| troy_s | compositions | 09:40 |
| troy_s | ;) | 09:40 |
| troy_s | without that concept, | 09:40 |
| troy_s | its a bit hard to get to the other two. | 09:40 |
| kwwii | I guess giving people the right jobs, and making sure that the upper tier jobs are well filled is very important | 09:41 |
| troy_s | sort of irrelevant with ubuntu | 09:41 |
| troy_s | largely because the aesthetic arch is pinned by sab. | 09:41 |
| troy_s | which means even locking something as simple as the concept of communication down is nigh on impossible. | 09:42 |
| troy_s | what the design seeks to communicate. | 09:42 |
| troy_s | who is there to replace you kwwii? | 09:45 |
| troy_s | from the kub clan? | 09:45 |
| kwwii | troy_s: nuno (who is sitting next to me)...I suggested him | 09:46 |
| troy_s | ahh good. | 09:46 |
| kwwii | not sure what the point is behind changing a good thing, but we shall see what happens | 09:46 |
| kwwii | :p | 09:46 |
| troy_s | relative world. | 09:49 |
| troy_s | it's in mark's goals | 09:51 |
| troy_s | and i would tend to agree with you | 09:51 |
| troy_s | ultimately, DESIGN and FUNCTION merge into form | 09:51 |
| troy_s | right now ... there is function | 09:51 |
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