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[08:30] The Human metacity theme is not close enough, for my tastes at least. [08:32] DanaG: one site [08:32] http://www.gnome-look.org [08:32] I've looked, but I haven't found anything 'just right' [08:33] check out Murrine and Candido [08:34] while you're at it you might even switch to their respective gtk themes and engines === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-176-224-81.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:36] eeh, it's the Ubuntulooks GTK theme that I like. [08:36] Though, if I could get the old Clearlooks with the new orange, that would be nice too. [08:37] I think it's actually the GTK theme that's setting the Metacity theme's colors. [08:39] you can edit the gtkrc files in the themes [08:39] for whatever colours you want [08:40] oh, good point there... [08:40] but which entry is it? [08:40] s/entry/definition/ (or whatever you call it) [08:47] that, i don't know :o) [08:48] use a desktop colour picker to find out what it is you want to edit [08:48] and then find that hex entry in the file [08:49] The metacity theme is a gradient, so it'd be tricky. [08:49] that would be an image then [08:49] open it up in gimp and edit it :) [08:50] There aren't any pixmaps of any type I can recognize. [08:57] then it must be a cairo thing [08:57] Yeah. 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[09:11] howdy troy_s [09:12] good, good...enjoying the UDS as best as possible [09:12] as best as possible? [09:12] troy_s: how are things with you? [09:12] busy as feck. [09:12] I was kinda sad to see that no ubuntu artwork people came here [09:13] troy_s: hehe, better too much work than too little :-) [09:13] hasn't been my experience of late. [09:13] ;) === somerville32 [i=Administ@fctnnbsc15w-156034091115.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:27] Hi :) [09:27] kwwii anything new on the table? [09:27] hi somerville32 [09:28] Do you guys know who is doing Xubuntu artwork? [09:28] yes [09:28] josef mak [09:28] Is he here? :] [09:28] no, but you can reach him via his launchpad email [09:29] Alrighty. Thanks :] [09:29] np [09:30] troy_s: not too much, I was hoping on perfecting the process stuff [09:30] not going to happen [09:30] ;) [09:30] troy_s: I made 5 specs before this began [09:30] troy_s: why? do you think it is perfect? [09:30] well... [09:31] Troy_s: Do you have a link to his launchpad page? [09:31] it has more to do with the reality of ubuntu artwork [09:32] but it is basically a distilled translation from design 101. [09:32] somerville32: look under the ubuntu-art list [09:32] he is on there somewhere [09:33] troy_s: yeah, I agree with the basics, but very apparently (after edgy) there still needs to be some fine-tuning to make it reality [09:33] Alrighty [09:33] not really [09:33] Is it this guy?: https://launchpad.net/people/joz-mak [09:33] the primary problem with edgy [09:33] was the reality of sabdfl as head designer [09:34] somerville32: yes. [09:34] kwwii there is zero need for a process in ubuntu art, because there is zero destination. [09:34] at least currently. [09:34] hehe [09:34] Alrighty. Thanks :) === somerville32 [i=Administ@fctnnbsc15w-156034091115.nb.aliant.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Leaving"] [09:34] but that will take sabdfl some further research and learning. [09:35] i was discussing ubuntu with a couple of folks -- one from 'the drawing board' and the others were two art directors. [09:36] those are probably heavier credits than you are going to find _anywhere_ in the open source community. [09:36] hehe [09:36] and the result was largely the same -- you can only get to where the client wishes to go. [09:36] yeah, I must say that I definitely saw all this coming [09:36] not at all... [09:36] that's rather .... 20 20 hindsight. [09:37] without client participation, it is impossible to follow design through. [09:38] and that fact was made clear at various points, but one can only do so much. [09:38] totally true [09:38] I sent mark several mails (a while ago) saying exactly that [09:38] but anyway [09:39] well... there was a _lot_ of email :) [09:39] the problem largely lies in lack of experience with design development, lack of participation, and a tendency to apply 'learned' processes to another sphere (micromanaging) [09:40] dare i say start with the three c's of design: [09:40] concept [09:40] components [09:40] compositions [09:40] ;) [09:40] without that concept, [09:40] its a bit hard to get to the other two. [09:41] I guess giving people the right jobs, and making sure that the upper tier jobs are well filled is very important [09:41] sort of irrelevant with ubuntu [09:41] largely because the aesthetic arch is pinned by sab. [09:42] which means even locking something as simple as the concept of communication down is nigh on impossible. [09:42] what the design seeks to communicate. [09:45] who is there to replace you kwwii? [09:45] from the kub clan? [09:46] troy_s: nuno (who is sitting next to me)...I suggested him [09:46] ahh good. [09:46] not sure what the point is behind changing a good thing, but we shall see what happens [09:46] :p [09:49] relative world. [09:51] it's in mark's goals [09:51] and i would tend to agree with you [09:51] ultimately, DESIGN and FUNCTION merge into form [09:51] right now ... there is function === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === troy_s [n=aphorism@206.116.6.170] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii_ [i=kwwii@conference/ubuntuconf/x-ae1112304451aa4b] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@user-0ceveat.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii [i=kwwii@conference/ubuntuconf/x-8454f0ac7d3573a9] has joined #ubuntu-artwork